pzwiki_editing

[thin cloud]

Labourers I believe

[languid kayak]

@serene sage @lucid junco ^

[lucid junco]

Dammit

[languid kayak]

Also @lucid junco thanks for verifying foraging in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stressed now I guess all it's left to verify is these:

Unhappiness rises slowly (10% every 7 minutes). for Agitated
Unhappiness rises moderately fast (10% every 4.5 minutes). for Stressed Out
Unhappiness rises quickly (10% every 3.5 minutes). for At Breaking Point
You up for the task @quartz bear?

[quartz bear]

b!remind pzwiki -c -t 16h

no one has blargbot

nothing ever happens

I'll do it in 16 hours from now, I'm already in bed

It's exactly midnight for me

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=President&curid=38899&diff=1022169&oldid=750621 I guess this is up for removal? I doubt it's supposed to be Bill Clinton? Didn't we have such edit before?

this

[lucid junco]

Maybe ask someone from tis?

If only we knew some writer that works on tis and checks #pzwiki_editing from time to time

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak noticed that you added a title to the infobox here, which is not something I did for the Modding Projects

Should I add the title to the modding projects pages too ?

[languid kayak]

oh, I realized it now. I think? Though in the end it's up to you I guess

I think I copied something with the title for this 😄

[flint vapor]

Also I fixed the social entry being in huge size by moving it the 1 param

It was massive since it was in the title

Also I think we might want to remove "Project Zomboid" from the page title

Bcs at first I kept it since that was the name of the thing in Steam

Added a move

[languid kayak]

as in Modding Tools alone? And yeah, they are called Project Zomboid Modding Tools on Steam

[flint vapor]

Yea

[digital helm]

Yeah, I use the hidden category to get them. Debug was chosen because hidden doesn't mean anything to a user, but debug does. So I included everything with debug too, otherwise it'd just be a few items

I agree.

I think this is what @proud cobalt was talking about. There can be 3 different names for the same thing. I suggested going with the pickup name. But the name in the build menu may be more common for players 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Looks good, should we even transclude anything on the Item page? Let the navbar do the work and we avoid suppressing.

@digital helm for infoboxes, i dont see an IGUI_perks_ translation for 'stab'

Tested in game and none of these can be used as a weapon

@digital helm items_weapons_stab.txt item CrudeBlade looks like most of it is commented, we dont parse it into our json

        "DisplayName": "Simple Metal Blade",
        "Icon": "SpearHead_Crude01",
        "WorldStaticModel": "CrudeBlade_NotWeapon",
        "DisplayCategory": "Material",
        "Type": "Normal",
        "Weight": 0.5,
        "Tags": [
            "HasMetal",
            "Sharpenable",
            "SmeltableIronSmall"
        ],
        "Sharpness": 1.0,
        "ResearchableRecipes": [
            "Forge_Crude_Blade",
            "Forge_Small_Knife"
        ],
        "ScriptType": "item",
        "SourceFile": "items_weapons_stab"
    },``` But somehow the infobox ends up like this```{{Infobox item
|name=Simple Metal Blade
|model=CrudeBlade_NotWeapon_Model.png
|icon=SpearHead_Crude01.png
|icon_name=Simple Metal Blade
|category=Material
|weight=0.5
|skill_type=[[Stab]]
|material=Metal
|material_value=10
|researchable_recipes=Forge_Crude_Blade<br>Forge_Small_Knife
|min_damage=0.8
|max_damage=1.3
|tree_damage=0
|sharpness=1.0
|min_range=0.61
|max_range=0.9
|push_back=0.01
|tag=HasMetal
|tag2=Sharpenable
|tag3=SmeltableIronSmall
|item_id=Base.CrudeBlade
|infobox_version=42.9.0
}}```

There's definitely commented code being parsed somehow, even though it's not in the item cache ``` item CrudeBlade
{
DisplayName = Crude Blade,
Icon = SpearHead_Crude01,
WorldStaticModel = CrudeBlade_NotWeapon,
DisplayCategory = Material,
Type = Normal,
Weight = 0.5,

    /*DisplayName = Crude Blade,
    DisplayCategory = WeaponCrafted,
    Type = Weapon,
    Weight = 0.5,
    Icon = SpearHead_Crude01,
    AimingMod = 0.8,
    AttachmentType = Knife,
    BreakSound = CrudeBladeBreak,
    Categories = SmallBlade,
    CloseKillMove = Jaw_Stab,
    ConditionLowerChanceOneIn = 4,
    ConditionMax = 4,
    CritDmgMultiplier = 4,
    CriticalChance = 25,
    DamageCategory = Slash,
    DamageMakeHole = TRUE,
    DoorDamage = 1,
    DoorHitSound = CrudeBladeHit,
    DropSound = CrudeBladeDrop,
    /*EnduranceMod = 0.5,*/
    HitFloorSound = CrudeBladeHit,
    HitSound = CrudeBladeHit,
    IdleAnim = Idle_Weapon2,
    ImpactSound = CrudeBladeHit,
    IsAimedHandWeapon = TRUE,
    KnockBackOnNoDeath = FALSE,
    KnockdownMod = 0,
    MaxDamage = 1.3,
    MaxHitCount = 1,
    MaxRange = 0.9,
    MetalValue = 10,
    MinAngle = 0.65,
    MinDamage = 0.8,
    MinRange = 0.61,
    MinimumSwingTime = 2,
    PushBackMod = 0.01,
    RunAnim = Run_Weapon2,
    SplatBloodOnNoDeath = TRUE,
    SplatNumber = 4,
    SubCategory = Stab,
    SwingAmountBeforeImpact = 0.02,
    SwingAnim = Stab,
    SwingSound = CrudeBladeSwing,
    SwingTime = 2,
    TreeDamage = 0,
    WeaponLength = 0.19,
    WeaponSprite = CrudeBlade,*/
    Tags = HasMetal;Sharpenable;SmeltableIronSmall,

    Sharpness = 1.0,
    ResearchableRecipes = Forge_Crude_Blade;Forge_Small_Knife,
}```

Likely nested comments again

I agree

I'd rather just fill the page out with information than put clear, i think it's fine like this for now

The sprite used in the Loom entity is crafted_04_72 which corrosponds to tile data

        "id": 400072,
        "type": "MAX",
        "tileSheetIndex": 72,
        "properties": {
            "generic": {
                "BlocksPlacement": "",
                "CustomName": "Loom",
                "Facing": "S",
                "GroupName": "Complex",
                "IsMoveAble": "",
                "PickUpWeight": 200.0,
                "solidtrans": ""
            }
        }
    },``` which now i'm not sure i can trust, so i really dont know. You cant craft it yet as the recipe is commented out for the entity.

[digital helm]

I haven't done anything to the item page itself yet. But yeah, that was the plan.

[digital helm]

I'll have to take a look at it tonight. I remember there was an attack type parameter (not sure if still used), so there might be some old code that's adding it as the skill instead.
Subcategory should only be used for weapons anyway

[proud cobalt]

From BodyDamage.class if (this.getParentChar().getMoodles().getMoodleLevel(MoodleType.Stress) > 1 && !this.getParentChar().isReading()) { this.setUnhappynessLevel( (float)( (double)this.getUnhappynessLevel() + zombie.ZomboidGlobals.UnhappinessIncrease / 2.0 * (double)((float)this.getParentChar().getMoodles().getMoodleLevel(MoodleType.Stress)) * (double)zombie.GameTime.instance.getMultiplier() ) ); }If stresslevel is greater than 1 and the player is not reading, it sets unhappyness level based on the calculation which i think is
Current unhappiness + ((UnhappinessIncrease / 2 ) * Stress Level * TimeMultiplier) Now i dont know exactly what the UnhappinessIncrease or TimeMultiplier are, so i cant say how fast it goes up. But stress level is simply
0 = 0-25%
1 = 25-49%
2 = 50-74% - This is where unhappiness activates
3 = 75-89%
4 = 90-100%
From Moodle.class if (this.moodleType == MoodleType.Stress) { if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.9F) { int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.MaxMoodleLevel.ordinal(); } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.75F) { int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.HighMoodleLevel.ordinal(); } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.5F) { int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.ModerateMoodleLevel.ordinal(); } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.25F) { int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.LowMoodleLevel.ordinal(); } }
Hopefully @quartz bear can help with the time frame 😄

[proud cobalt]

^

[flat sun]

time multiplier adds up to 48 every real second, scaling with day length and game speed

[languid kayak]

Maybe hidden can be made a different table then? Would be nice to have them separated IMO 😄

[languid kayak]

so the pickup name is simply a Loom?

[proud cobalt]

Do you know where one is in game so i can try it?

[languid kayak]

So what is it, a tag? Or unused/unfinished skill?

[languid kayak]

O changed it to redirect to Complex Loom for now https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Loom&redirect=no

[languid kayak]

There's one in Coalfield Inn

second floor

sec

https://b42map.com/?3484x8203

[proud cobalt]

Complex loom

[languid kayak]

and Loom is a building name, right?

[proud cobalt]

No there is no building recipe for it

Only for the simple loom

[digital helm]

Is there any benefit in that though? The hidden category doesn't mean anything

[languid kayak]

Mostly splitting the two, I know both can technically be gone, but I got impression that hidden are "obsolete" while debug may have some usefulness in debugging for modders

[digital helm]

Just had a thought @proud cobalt the old infobox uses the old parser which didn't correctly remove comments. So the new one should be fine, which just needs some more testing.

[digital helm]

Maybe add it as a column instead? Like I did for the tools page.
Probably worth checking how these are used, and if they're used for anything.
Not sure how useful the debug items are for modding, seem more like test items that didn't get deleted 😄

[proud cobalt]

But this was run using the new infoboxes right? Or is that wrong

[lucid junco]

Complex Loom? I find it quite simple

[digital helm]

There's infobox_item and infobox_item_new. I didn't update the main module yet, so probably just used the old one

[proud cobalt]

Ohhh

[quartz bear]

Ok so I don't have to do anything

[digital helm]

I've added the category as a column https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Debug

The water drop item is a dummy item for fluids in crafting
WaterRationCan_Open looks like an earlier version of the WaterRationCanEmpty (recipe code commented)
Dented and mystery cans are dummy items, which get stats from other cans chosen at random when opened. Have no real stats of their own - hence why it's hidden
Couldn't find anything for the YardstickDEBUG or Stairs

[serene sage]

guys guys they put street names in the in-game world map

[proud cobalt]

@hushed bobcat

[serene sage]

are you beaming with joy with the new changes?

[lucid junco]

No, since they didn't fix my bug from 3 updates ago

[serene sage]

the ravenous PZ player

always wanting more from TIS

[tulip kiln]

oh for fuck sake

even more possible easter eggs

[hushed bobcat]

If we incorporate this as part of the b42map, we kind of don't need the street names page anymore. Is that something doable on the current map parser, or "it's complicated" ?

[proud cobalt]

I dont make the map renderer i just run it so i have no idea if that's even possible

[hushed bobcat]

https://github.com/cff29546/pzmap2dzi/issues/35
I have included a request for the feature (assuming that you are running a fork from that)

[proud cobalt]

New updater running 42.10 for the first time, watching the first few then bed time

Ok other than the description summary being wrong it's working 😆

[hushed bobcat]

I need more time with my bud Copilot in order to make something decent, but for now, I was able to parse the street names somehow and put it in an image (lots of room for improvement on label position, colors, and so)

[thin cloud]

Street names still being added, today I added all I could find which were missing outside of Louisville

[hushed bobcat]

Pretty sure you have a nice png file with all those names right @thin cloud ? Can you share it with us? 🙈

[thin cloud]

Absolutely not

I only had per-town anyway mostly and was missing a lot so the XML is better to use for data

[quartz bear]

uh

i see no messages

since 7:48

ok i see them on mobile

[lucid junco]

Just sounds like an overlay that can be added manually

[languid kayak]

@hushed bobcat will be busy 👀 EDIT: noticed you already are 😄

[languid kayak]

(Wanted to reply but in the end didn't send the message, but yeah, I think it's the most sane, I realized one of the debug items is hidden too)

[hushed bobcat]

Oh yeah, they put so many new street names that I gave up on manually update it. Just need to improve my parser now. Brandenburg is looking awesome

[languid kayak]

I assume this one's true? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Discomfort&curid=148017&diff=1034583&oldid=1014703

[proud cobalt]

Wait using the xml is crazy it could enable street directions

It just makes a literal street map of PZ

[hushed bobcat]

Gps mod coming soon? :p

[proud cobalt]

I wanted to do directions on B42map but wasnt really feasable because there was no street data just coloured pixels

Idk if ill do it but super cool i think it could be done now

[tulip kiln]

lmao, you set your phone to get siri to give you gps directions in zomboid

[proud cobalt]

        float float5 = 0.1F * (float)this.getParentChar().getMoodles().getMoodleLevel(MoodleType.Hyperthermia);
        float float6 = 0.1F * (float)this.getParentChar().getMoodles().getMoodleLevel(MoodleType.Wet);```https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Discomfort&diff=prev&oldid=1050359

[proud cobalt]

Generated: 2025-07-01 13:28:38
Source: resources\streets.xml

SUMMARY STATISTICS:
==================
Total Streets: 586
Unique Street Names: 431
Total Length: 322309.97 units
Map Bounds: (-795.0, 442.0, 16695.0, 16298.0)

STREET WIDTH DISTRIBUTION:
==========================
Width 3: 2 streets (0.3%)
Width 4: 66 streets (11.3%)
Width 5: 153 streets (26.1%)
Width 6: 182 streets (31.1%)
Width 7: 28 streets (4.8%)
Width 8: 98 streets (16.7%)
Width 9: 6 streets (1.0%)
Width 10: 28 streets (4.8%)
Width 12: 1 streets (0.2%)
Width 13: 2 streets (0.3%)
Width 14: 7 streets (1.2%)
Width 15: 4 streets (0.7%)
Width 16: 6 streets (1.0%)
Width 17: 3 streets (0.5%)


LONGEST STREETS:
================
 1. KY-60                - 6900.0 units
 2. KY-79                - 5957.0 units
 3. Dixie Highway (Route 31W) - 5393.0 units
 4. Irvington Rd         - 4844.7 units
 5. Dixie Highway (Route 31W) - 3871.1 units
 6. KY-163               - 3824.0 units
 7. Horselick Rd         - 3604.6 units
 8. Bearcamp Rd          - 3551.6 units
 9. Fallas Back Rd       - 3547.0 units
10. Riverside Rd         - 3262.4 units```

[proud cobalt]

This is really cool

[tulip kiln]

You making a map of the highways or something?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah playing around with the streets and other map files

[languid kayak]

I was suspecting hyper thermia would be there too 😛

[languid kayak]

I wonder how reliably we can map the numbers of the streets btw

numbers are flying only. I'm not sure how numbering works in US? In Poland we have even on one side and uneven on another, though when new building pops it's getting complicated

Seems totally different in the US: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-American-system-for-numbering-houses-I-have-just-seen-a-house-numbered-21117-There-cant-be-that-many-houses-in-a-road-so-how-do-they-get-such-high-numbers

[proud cobalt]

In australia we start at 1 and go up with evens on one side and odds on the other

[languid kayak]

same, US seems totally different

[lucid junco]

Here we go with absolutely random numbers

[languid kayak]

well, we technically start at 1 😉 But like I said, the more building pops, the more conoluted it is.

There goes letters, then there's missing numbers and it's all over the place 😄

[lucid junco]

Like numbers on my city houses is seemingly random, since two apartment complexes on the same street have no connections to each other

[proud cobalt]

If any of you want to look around

That should just work

[digital helm]

This is really awesome. Even the fact you can click on everything for more info 👌

Want to finish the tooltip template? 😄

[tulip kiln]

wait so u can click on the streets and it'll list the POIs on it?

[digital helm]

Nah, like this. Just download and open in a browser

[proud cobalt]

No thats built into the map library 😆

[proud cobalt]

No POIs and no coords, just playing with the new streets file and the worldmap file 😄

I was looking at navigation but man is that in depth and i think im happy with this as it is. If its useful for @hushed bobcat and @lucid junco i can run it each update

[ruby parrot]

i want to create a page that has all the items that can be foraged

i can get data easilly out of LUA files

but how do i CREATE a page like this

[rotund echo]

Should this skyscraper get its own article considering how big it is?

[ruby parrot]

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Creating_a_new_page

It would be a list page like this
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tools

[ruby parrot]

yep, kind of found it too, but thanks 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Would best be automated and integrated in the wiki parser though, we're automating list pages due to their upkeep

[digital helm]

We already have that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging_items may just need to be updated

We also started creating a page per category (since there were so many) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wild_plants

[rotund echo]

Well, I mean, that skyscraper doesn't actually have any name

If we had to name it, I would assume to just give it a common noun like "Gable-roofed skyscraper"

[proud cobalt]

The one next to it is bigger right? iirc its bateman tower?

[rotund echo]

Not bigger, but yes, Bateman is taller

[proud cobalt]

Since we dont have a name and it's not the tallest idk if it needs a page

[rotund echo]

Its pretty expansive inside

[proud cobalt]

There's a whole lot more to forage now

[rotund echo]

It even has its own little mall

[digital helm]

Yeah, I only found it looking for the herb/plant pages. One page per category may be better than 1 page for all items

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah i see, it's filled with businesses. I wouldn't object if you want to make it, otherwise ill ping @naive imp and @lucid junco to put it on their radar

[rotund echo]

Since the mall inside is small, well, most of the businesses don't even have proper nouns

Except a Zippee Market based on room defs

Hell it even has apartments

[ruby parrot]

Hello community

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging_categories#List_of_groups_used_for_foraging

i just created page. its not pretty to look at, but its functional and useful

I also copy pasted one liner i created for this page. so if beta 43 comes out and I am not around, page can easilly be regenerated on any linux machine with the game on it

with all up to date items

jasus Calvy, you are writing an essay? 😄

i was annoyed to not know which category of foraging was raising chance of finding hemp, so I googled it - did not find it, so i started to dig, and realized, others probably could benefit from this too. so...

[proud cobalt]

Please ensure new pages follow the standard style guide, that's why we have it. I also linked you the help pages an hours ago that also explain the requirements for a new page.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Style_guide

Also we showed you there is an existing page that just needs to be updated. I believe you already had edits reverted/deleted for similar issues. This page will be deleted and i will leave a message on your talk page refering to this message. Please take time to read the style guide and ensure contributions meet the standard qualities of the wiki before updating the appropriate pages.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Foraging_items

[ruby parrot]

i just realised my stuff was incomplete

but so was that page as well

probably its not b42 compatible

i have changed my script so all items seem to be there

the thing is, I am not native english speaker as you no doubt figured out by now

i can get scripts and one liners to get data out of game

i am not exactly formatting guru

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to test it in your sandbox, rather than live on the wiki
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Dimko/sandbox

[ruby parrot]

the thing is, I know there is a big full blown python program

that gets data and generates pages here etc. but a lot of it just looks generated and is generally hard to read, hence useless for many

i make little scripts, takes me half hour or so that gets fresh data out of pages and likely will work between all versions of game

point is, when you update stuff from python application - its long painful process.

my stuff is pulled from the game then and there and is only relevant to page or two

i dont put bells and whistles, as it goes kind of against the purpose - to get data out and fast

so i suppose my philosophy of "get it done fast so others can use it today" clashes here against, "lets update this web site once every year or so, but lets make it pretty".

i could possibly make better scripts, but it would take A LOT more time. But i don't even know if my efforts will be appreciated, etc...

let alone accepted into overall 'community of articles'

[proud cobalt]

Theres no problem using your own scripts

The issue is you made a new page when the page already existed, and the new page did not meet the style guide for layout

Instead of making a new page update the existing one

[ruby parrot]

i did not find this existing page, because i seeked for item that is findable with foraging and it does not exist in page in question. i assumed such page does not exist. my mistake, but innocent one at that. i used both wiki and google(not really, but you get the point).

[proud cobalt]

Vail linked it to you

[ruby parrot]

i did not read all page, i searched for hemp dogbane, or whatever

hemp

it was not there, assumptions were made

my page on other hand contained items that are not even listed in the wiki

i am n ot defending myself or anything, whats done is done

i am just thinking out loud how i should continue

[proud cobalt]

Continue to work on the formatting and update the existing page, or put it in your sandbox and ask for feedback

[ruby parrot]

OK, is this realistic?

example following

i extract my stuff, i leave my scripts, if community of editors finds it useful - they can re-use my tools or stuff i put in sand box

i mean currently my page was deleted, when it should really be hidden and or talked about/taken as some kind of draft upon which someone can modify existing pages

[proud cobalt]

I'm not sure how else to explain it to you, theres no reason for the page to exist, update the existing page

[lucid junco]

Uuh, idk

After all, we dont mark every small strip mall or plaza that exists in the world

But up to thinkdock now

[digital helm]

Minor change to the item infobox. I've removed metal_value since it isn't really used by the game, and instead display an icon of the material that it's made of. Unfortunately the 'amount' isn't very clear/useful: e.g. "GoldScrap", "SmallGoldScrap", "SmallerGoldScrap", "SmallestGoldScrap", "TinyGoldScrap"

A lot of items will temporarily display Material = Metal, until @proud cobalt runs the updater next, which just means don't put it in the microwave

[proud cobalt]

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[wary stratus]

Thank ya kindly

[proud cobalt]

Should Tools be Tool?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tools

[digital helm]

I thought so too. There were others like that too, but I just went with the existing pages. Thoughts @languid kayak ?

[versed sequoia]

Hey, so this wiki page has a wrong thing written here

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Franklin_Valuline

Or maybe it's just outdated, but it says that this mail van was removed in build 41, even though it wasn't, because I seen it multiple times on that build

[digital helm]

I've just fixed it, thanks. It was likely just outdated

[serene sage]

is the regular english page for "survivor" supposed to be connected to the spanish "AI" category? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor

[proud cobalt]

The English page had been translated should be fixed

[lucid junco]

So did you know that steam has screenshots attached to every card?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam#Trading_cards

Whoever did this page certanly didnt

Feels like noone on the internet knows, since I cant find the original art for it

[hushed bobcat]

Man, this map is amazing. Is that something worth or even doable to incorporate in the wiki? (Btw, nice job on include other data as well, I was impressed with street names already, but when you merge all the other info... perfection)

[hushed bobcat]

Isn't that building the orio office place? nvm, different building

[thin cloud]

Rest of street names coming in next patch hopefully

[thin cloud]

Ooh nice!

[digital helm]

That would've been me. Just didn't upload them. I should have them on my computer. I'll check and add tonight

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah it might help you see what streets are/aren't done too, if you want i can ping you next patch

[proud cobalt]

Glad it's useful was a fun little project

Ok i put it on the B42map website just not advertising it publicly until the streets are done, here's the link
https://b42map.com/street_map.html

[languid kayak]

I wouldn't mind, similar to other malls we have (that both have a page on their own as a building and are mentioned in specific locations)

[languid kayak]

Tool for linkability IMO

[languid kayak]

I only realized we don't have it? Are these not uploaded or just not linked?

[languid kayak]

These are on SteamDB too btw

[lucid junco]

We dont

And not sure if they aren't uploaded or just aren't linked

[digital helm]

I've uploaded them now. Just chucked them in gallery. Feel free to move them https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam#Gallery

[thin cloud]

Actually have them all done now but thank you!

[proud cobalt]

Thank you! And anyone else on the team that worked on it. Really cool Concept and I can't wait to see/play around with it

[thin cloud]

I'm sure if I forget to name a single-tile long lane, the Wiki people will have my head!!

[serene sage]

agreed, not only are they cool and immersive but they should make navigation in MP easier, along with the innumerable possibilities for attaching any future lore to the map itself (not to mention the possibilities with NPCs as well)

now all that's missing is address numbers, every building must be numbered

[digital helm]

And have a functional phone number with full dialogue

[serene sage]

kid named Knox Telecommunications:

[proud cobalt]

Using landlines to call every number with custom voicemail machines for every house and business 😄

[tulip kiln]

And also creating and operating these businesses irl

[serene sage]

in the exact locations, I suppose?

better construct a Riverside and Rosewood from scratch then

[serene sage]

got some spammers in the wiki

users Toilet, Pall Mail (cigarette) and Class (cigarette) are reverting the Cigarette and Toilet articles over and over

for some reason

[rotund echo]

Yes we have already prepared the Wood Axe just in case

[proud cobalt]

Dealth with ty

[hushed bobcat]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Keeping_Your_Nose_Healthy:_Insights_From_Taurikura
WTF?

[serene sage]

what, you don't try to keep your nose healthy?

[hushed bobcat]

No one nose what is that page related for

[flint vapor]

Didn't even knew Nasko moderated the wiki lol

[thin cloud]

Always annoyed me in GTA 4 that phone numbers for businesses were everywhere but they never have unique dialogue when you called them

[proud cobalt]

Working phones confirmed 42.10.1

[thin cloud]

Knox Telecommunications are unfortunately and ironically not picking up their phones

[proud cobalt]

All those vans for nothing

[lucid junco]

Well, in gta 5 you can call some of the numbers and get a unique dialogue

But I think there is only one time when you call "Business" and get a unique dialogue, and its when you capture Roman as Jonny from the lost and damned

Technically you are calling him on the business phone, so that counts

https://youtu.be/v3Hewe5Iv98

[languid kayak]

not sure I will go straight for it as I'm slightly tired, but noticed it has deletion notice; what's the story behind https://pzwiki.net/wiki/AnimAPI @flint vapor?

[languid kayak]

nasKo's everywhere 👀

[flint vapor]

The deleted note should explain the details of it

But basically this is part of another existing project and is simply a tool within this project

The person had good intentions in wanting to document it but the reality is that for now the wiki is not the place to document individual mods tools with pages for each tools of a project

Maybe in the future if a specific project becomes used a looot it could have a dedicated section, but that's not the case for now with the project from this case

Nor is it with any projects for now

[digital helm]

I finally got around to looking at where the game's actual 'regions' are. These are coordinates for each of their bounding boxes.

Jefferson: {'start': [12200, 2891], 'end': [16200, 6900]}
Louisville: {'start': [11600, 1000], 'end': [14600, 4000]}
MarchRidge: {'start': [9400, 12000], 'end': [12400, 13800]}
Muldraugh: {'start': [9000, 8500], 'end': [12000, 12000]}
Riverside: {'start': [3500, 5100], 'end': [7500, 6800]}
Rosewood: {'start': [7400, 11000], 'end': [9300, 12500]}
WestPoint: {'start': [9200, 6500], 'end': [12400, 8500]}
ValleyStation: {'start': [13300, 4500], 'end': [14500, 6300]}
LAA: {'start': [14938, 2375], 'end': [16074, 3295]}

These regions are made by combining multiple bounding boxes, so they could actual result in polygons, rather than perfect rectangles. These coords are just the min and max, but they seem accurate from my few tests in-game.

Here's a rough map. Maybe @proud cobalt could do some magic and make a better one 😄 I can share the json if needed. Taken from media/maps/Muldraugh, KY/regions.lua

Where there are overlaps, I assume they get overwritten by the region added afterwards. E.g. Jefferson is overwritten by Louisville.

From what I can tell, these regions seem to only be used for vehicle spawns. E.g. which police variant to use

[proud cobalt]

I was looking at this too and yeah it seems like regional texture picking afaict

[lucid junco]

Soon™

[lucid junco]

So nothing that we thought is valley station is inside of the valley station

[flint vapor]

Which page ?

[lucid junco]

Steam page

We have a page for Steam and GOG which are a bit out of date

and unfinished

[digital helm]

That's the main thing I took away from it too

[lucid junco]

And that also means that this flier is wrong

[proud cobalt]

I dont think we should take that away from it tbh. To me this is clearly just game design boundries, not lore boundries

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak do we still not know if its true or not

[digital helm]

Looks like it is available https://www.gog.com/forum/project_zomboid/unstable_beta_instructions although no longer called iwbums, like steam

[lucid junco]

Can we get a tis gift of pz on gog

call it a tax write off for research

[digital helm]

The entire wiki is a tax write off 😄

[languid kayak]

I have the game on GOG, maybe I'll try

pz was available on gog connect once back when it was available

[flint vapor]

Soon 1k

[languid kayak]

do we cover it btw? It just links to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Community_Modding_Projects and I see there's quite some text in the page that would be lost, is it really redundant and covered elsewhere? If you could link to id I'd probably comprae that first 😄

[flint vapor]

Like I said in the delete note, copies of the page exists on my own computer as well as the original creator's computer AND I already discussed with the creator of the page that this is not the place fitting for this and it should be explained in the GitHub wiki of the community modding projects instead

The amount of informations in the AnimAPI page that the guy created is too much for the singular page of the community modding projects and it's just not fitting at all, there's literally dozens of other tools, we can't have them on the wiki

[languid kayak]

ah, okay, sorry, like I said I was tired back then I barely could comprehend anything yesterday 😄

[flint vapor]

Like for any other project: the goal of the wiki currently is mostly to document existing modding projects, and git repositories do the job for the source code as well as external in-depth wikis for each libraries

If one of these tool become main stream, then yes we can consider having more in-depth and multiple pages for a specific modding project

One that comes to mind rn is Leaf which might grow into a main stream tool to provide Java modding

[languid kayak]

March Ridge is pompous; I wonder if there's any expansion planned for it?

It's also interesting town, as it's military-related and Fort Knox is not there yet

[digital helm]

Fort Knox b42 confirmed?

[languid kayak]

minor nit, if you suspect regions can be overrided, can you adjust the legend in the image so they are in this order?

[languid kayak]

minor not, I add spaces after non-empty headers, but I guess it's just me wanting to have things unified, doesn't matter for formatting, not sure if CalvyBot picks there anyway and I will probably correct them when I do some other minor reviews 😄

[digital helm]

I actually thought they were, but I just did the Louisville area ones first.

[languid kayak]

for Steam, I kept Ikip's screenshots, they can be useful but are not mandatory, if we decide to keep them, we can upload a better version, else feel free to decide whether they are needed and mark them for deletion if you want

I'm not sure we cover everything else on Steam too, I recently started covering bundles, https://steamdb.info/app/108600/subs/ these has unique art and SteamDB is generally the best way to get links from directly.

Steam had unique Spiffo's Roundups too back then, and Steam's changelogs is the source of unique Build 42 images I add to pages https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/108600 like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:A1a62be14fe5fbd31231c9367b08936bccbbf3a4.png

[languid kayak]

I also wonder if the areas for the new countries are planned, anthing in Doe Valley as well as Ekron/Brandenburg/Irvington is missing, there are no unique police vehicles for these right? I wonder if they will be added eventually too?

[digital helm]

You would think Brandenburg at least. But no idea

[languid kayak]

good point actually lol. It's mall and its surroundings. Not sure if that's an accurate source for lore-wise. Maybe we can ping Bret for this?

[digital helm]

I'd expect it'd need to be accurate lore-wise, since it determines what vehicle skins go where

[languid kayak]

@thin cloud wiki people found some inconsistencies with regions lore 👀 as per #pzwiki_editing message

@lucid junco seems GOG is a little outdated? https://www.gogdb.org/product/1453298883#downloads

[lucid junco]

A little bit

[languid kayak]

seems to be at 42.8.1

Not sure who's responsible, but maybe worth pinging @vital raptor for it to forward? (GOG is at 42.8.1. instead of 42.10.0 as Steam)

or wait, maybe not? https://www.gogdb.org/product/1453298883#builds

[proud cobalt]

I still dont think this has anything to do with lore and is simply a game mechanic #pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

yeah, noticed that later too

[languid kayak]

I think it's DRM-free builds that are at 42.8.1 and Galaxy is at 42.10.0?

For reason unknown GOG never made Galaxy available for Linux officially (there are third party tools replicating its functionality)

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/galaxy/release_the_gog_galaxy_client_for_linux

[flint vapor]

So when talking about people, should we link to user pages of their name, even if they don't have one or like link to their Steam page ?

Bcs I'm linking to a creator of a project and I'm linking to their Steam page

[languid kayak]

we pretty much only linked to Devs, and mostly linking to their Wiki accounts if they have one, but some would ideally have created one.

We used to link to their Steam profiles too, but that was never standardized. Even more with modders 😄

(or MobyGames)

[flint vapor]

So I should link to a user page ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Azakaela's_Modding_Tools

[languid kayak]

doesn't matter really 😄 It isn't enforced really.

For the developers the end goal would be having a dedicated page for every major one eventually. For modders they can have wiki pages (and can link to their profiles on Steam/forums/twitch; I though of adding GitHub userbox too), but not everyone is necessarily going to have one and especially link to their socials, so you can just link to their Steam profiles

[flint vapor]

👌

[digital helm]

Whichever is most active I'd say

[vital raptor]

Galaxy builds are still DRM free.
Them not making it available for Linux is a really odd choice though, to this day.

Beta-builds are not automatically put up as offline installers, that's not just Linux.

[vital raptor]

We used to link to their Steam profiles too, but that was never standardized.
Best not to lol

[languid kayak]

yeah, we went away from that for devs for that reason 😄 Though for modders I guess it's fine, as they usually want their mods/profiles advertised that way and don't mind.

Also thanks for replying for my eager ping, like you noticed I figured the 42.10.0 is on GOG too, just not as an offline one 😛

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Harmonica&curid=126799&diff=1054199&oldid=1048607 might need verification? Maybe @quartz bear can?

[quartz bear]

is this a new item

[languid kayak]

yeah

actually, it seems it's verified? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Harmonica&curid=126799&diff=1054203&oldid=1054201

[quartz bear]

it is true

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:SirDoggyJvla/Sandbox

I guess I shouldn't use this

Is it not possible to put a table inside a ToggleBox ?

I want to having multiple tables be collapsible in the same object, not individual tables being collapsible

[flat sun]

if this is for keeping outdated modding resources i honestly don't see an issue with just throwing them out entirely if they're outdated enough to not be helpful

the wiki doesn't really keep info about older versions of anything else

[flint vapor]

Hmm

@languid kayak what do you think ? Should we throw old resources to the bin ? Some of these guides are still working but just outdated for older versions of the mapping tools

Some however are just straight up no longer working

[flint vapor]

I'm unable to upload this image

Invalid CSRF token.

Any idea why ?

Is it too big ?

[digital helm]

That's usually associated with a session loss. If uploading through the edit page, try uploading it directly https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Upload

[digital helm]

The issue is that you can't use pipes in a template, because they're part of the template syntax. Use {{!}} or html tables

[digital helm]

If they're outdated and no longer work, I don't see any point keeping them. If they work but there's a better/newer resource, I'd say use that instead.
Especially if they're prior to b39, since that's the oldest readily accessible build

[proud cobalt]

You have to use magic words instead of pipes and equals. {{!}} {{=}}

Vail beat me to it 😄

[proud cobalt]

Not sure if this is just for a specific mod but if not keep in mind this is slightly outdated, there's a lot of separate distribution files in B42, clutter tables, extra junk

[languid kayak]

@digital helm I think you generated this automatically for many weapon pages? Someone corrected 35 to 25, not sure if that's correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Metal_Baseball_Bat&curid=50555&diff=1054223&oldid=1050325

[proud cobalt]

They're correct ConditionLowerChanceOneIn = 25,

[languid kayak]

Just for this, right? So it was copypaste?

We might have more of these 😩 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bone_Fleshing_Tool

[proud cobalt]

That's weird because the template is correct 5|5

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tailor#Starting_recipes – this uses emojis as a headers, it's not looking bad I have to say, so props for effort, but not sure it's something we want to have for these? (I think other pages lack it)

(also a lot of red links for some reason?)

[digital helm]

Just use the game icons. We have plenty to use 😄

[digital helm]

New foraging category page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Medicinal_plants
Hopefully I can get them all done today

[flint vapor]

Is there a way to list every pages in a specific category, not in the category page itself but which makes a list that I can copy pasta ?

Oh shit I found it

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Export

[languid kayak]

I like that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Foraging_icons – these are made manually from icons, right?

[digital helm]

Some will be, yeah. They used to use premade icons, now they apply the icon of the item being found to a blank pin

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm Im a bit split about separating Trading cards from the Emoticons and Wallpaper on the Steam page

Currently its a single table with Cards, Badges, Emoticons and Wallpapers

[languid kayak]

up to you I guess, and yeah, was Vail mostly doing this initially 😛

[digital helm]

Splitting them might be good, into "trading cards" and "items", since we have the points shop now. Trading cards was the only way to get them when I first did it, so they were directly related.

[languid kayak]

Okay, so it's the first Sunday of the month, meaning a monthly wiki summary is up! Have a read <@&1205891296565268520> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#June_2025_summary

[tardy cradle]

ok

[ashen apex]

Ok

[trail estuary]

!

[brisk crescent]

ok

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I see there's both broken redirect to tiles at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects – is this intentional?

[naive imp]

@languid kayak holy shit how did you get to that image link so fast

I literally went to go fix it and it was already done

Bro

[languid kayak]

Was looking at the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedFiles and fixing stuff as I see it 😄

[proud cobalt]

Yes from the item list it is intentional

Part of my works on furniture in the item list

[languid kayak]

so I guess it'll stay as such for a while? (no worries, just making sure)

[proud cobalt]

Soon™️

But yeah

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages some tiles are there too but I guess that's normal too? And the opposite, a lot of red links at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list

I'm kinda waiting for it to hopefully clear/lower the number of files https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedFiles too 🤞

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles is something I should probably wait with too, right?

Finally some tile images from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles could probably be slowly removed following https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Furniture rework, although there's a lot images not there that are still linked in the translated pages too, so I'm waiting with that too 🤔

@flint vapor Not sure that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Modding_Tools really needs to be moved? Maybe a redirect to that could be made instead? After all, it is an official name of the package appearing in Steam library, and that's what we cover.

(it'd also be Modding tools but we can make both redirects if needed)

[languid kayak]

I'm planning on focus on phasing out this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_vehicle_part moving them to infobox item. Now though I see there's some issues already, e.g., right now it seems the autoupdated uses placeholder for some values, compare:

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Hood_(Standard_Vehicle)&oldid=987333 and https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Hood_(Standard_Vehicle)&oldid=1048889

Also, the old tool would have to be changed to mechanics_tool (currently autofilled as placeholder). The Install/Uninstall header is gone, but I guess that's intentional.

Also the previous infobox explicitly mentioned Mechanics 3, now it's just mentioning 3 as Recommended level – are all vehicle parts about Mechanics? If so, maybe we can link to it directly then? Or are some Metalworking/Welding?

Pinging @digital helm for that mostly

Also, sometimes weight is filled as |weight=X.0 and sometimes it's just |weight=X without the trailing .0 – is that how is it filled in the game files?

Other than that, changing is pretty easy https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Trunk_Lid_(Standard_Vehicle)&diff=1055191&oldid=987323 – then I guess it will be picked by Calvy's bot and if it detects any changes they will hopefully be added, along with updates to the infobox version, code and locations if any.

and remove * from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list

[rotund echo]

You can technically remove parts from cars if you have inadequate levels, but this has chance of damage

"Recommended level" means guaranteed removal with no damage

[languid kayak]

but all they rely on Mechanics or some rely on other skills as well?

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @digital helm Can I get some citation to the fact that TIS doesnt run that big of sales to not "screw over" early adepts?

[rotund echo]

It's only repairing that needs Welding too

Replacement only needs Mechanics level

[lucid junco]

Ive heard thats the reason, but im not sure if its true or not

Maybe ping tis for that

[languid kayak]

You mean the price increase?

@digital helm I updated https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_item&diff=prev&oldid=1055197 with the info; not sure we want to explicitly add "Mechanics" there?

So far I made it without [[Mechanics]] in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Standard_Vehicle) and left it in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Heavy-Duty_Vehicle) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid_(Sports_Vehicle) – not sure if bot won't override them anyway

[lucid junco]

I mean the summer sale discount

Or any season discount that steam is famous for

I had seen a discussion about why does Project zomboid never go on sale higher than -33%

[languid kayak]

But yeah mean the prie won't go below the price early adopters paid? Yeah, it was mentioned somewhere, not sure where exactly

we have it here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_much_does/will_it_cost?

[lucid junco]

And the answer is that tis doesnt want to have the price lower than what early adopters payed

Just not sure where to cite it from, just to be sure

Cant believe they lied like that

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions&direction=next&oldid=201927 and yeah, it's a direct quote from https://store.steampowered.com/app/108600/Project_Zomboid/ (early access section)

Steam

Project Zomboid

Project Zomboid is an open-ended zombie-infested sandbox. It asks one simple question – how will you die?

In the towns of Muldraugh and West Point, survivors must loot houses, build defences and do their utmost to delay their inevitable death day by day. No help is coming – their continued survival relies on their own cunning, luck and a…

Price

$13.39

Recommendations

291327

▶ Play video

although it is 33% for me from ITAD? Maybe it was a glitch?

Although yeah, 7 days for Spring Sale 2025 according to SteamDB

I wasn't there to notice that tbf 😄

[lucid junco]

I was there and a bit confused when I saw 45%

[languid kayak]

Also minor stuff I'm not sure I discussed, do we want an icon for Capacity?

Old https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Trunk_-_Small_(Standard_Vehicle)&oldid=987845
New https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Trunk_-_Small_(Standard_Vehicle)&oldid=1055207

[rotund echo]

I don't think it is necessary

[rare sand]

arent they identical

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/b42-project-zomboid-build-42-gif-17066682817413107459

@languid kayak Can I get an original version to upload to the wiki?

Or is it already uploaded

[languid kayak]

It's just the icon that's missing

[languid kayak]

I think it is not? https://clan.fastly.steamstatic.com/images//4460946/596a582cc576b072a2f33862c9c00f12e34f673e.gif

@digital helm I wanted to update https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muffler_-_Old_(Standard_Vehicle) with the Infobox Item but it seems the infobox item is missing noise_mod still. There's noise_radius but it seems to be a different parameter? Beside, it doesn't show it put alone too.

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam

The table is now broken

but ive updated it

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak I dont know how to fix it😅

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Im curious a bit about the fact that the oldest recorded build of pz on gog is 38.28

while GOG release date is 2016-01-28

around 33.20 release

[languid kayak]

you mean gogdb? It's not as complete as steamdb

[lucid junco]

Yeah

[lilac wigeon]

not sure what's up and what might be due to changes, but on the agriculture page. the grid for different crops. the discussion underneath mentions planting seasons and growing seasons, and bad seasons. but only has planting and bad seasons. there isn't a list of what the growing seasons are. is that something missing from the grid, or something that needs to be changed in the discussion text?

[languid kayak]

Initial commit for gogdb was Jun 2, 2017 https://github.com/Yepoleb/gogdb/commit/634427ff3239c7d83feb8d262ebd81e6ad453da6 – 38.28 is November 15, 2017 and first IWBUMS is 13th June 2017 but I guess at the start the site might have not been pulling all the data

[lucid junco]

@digital helm The Upload image button is now gone from the menu

[languid kayak]

Oldest Web Archive is https://web.archive.org/web/20160130230123/https://www.gog.com/game/project_zomboid

[lucid junco]

Like there is used to be a button that directly sends you to the file upload but its gone now

Vector 2022 skin

Swithching to the oh god the pain(Citizen) skin and here it is

Although it appears like the entire navigation section is gone

[languid kayak]

Just realized GOG links How long to beat https://howlongtobeat.com/game/7359 – "story"? "quests"? 😄

[lucid junco]

How to beat has exclusive 1.0 release

with full till death do us part release

[flat sun]

i've always really enjoyed how this site lists these categories for every single game in existence despite them only applying to a very specific subcategory of games

[languid kayak]

OTOH hltb links to https://www.ign.com/wikis/project-zomboid which isn't as outdated as I'd expect

[flat sun]

the vast majority of games i've looked up on there are in a similar state of 'what the hell does this even mean'

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GOG
Updated

there is not a lot to talk about the gog version tbh

like you just get the game

[languid kayak]

https://www.ign.com/wikis/project-zomboid/Best_Mods really objective 😄

[lucid junco]

no extra

no workshop, points shop, ect

[languid kayak]

More info about GOG Connect: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/gogcomco/discussions/0/357288572115294089/

PZ was an initial offer

or maybe it wasn't? https://web.archive.org/web/20160601131214/https://www.gog.com/news/introducing_gog_connect

And I think it was added later

Although this say it was https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/4m15m9/comment/d3roqja/

The full list of games will always be available on connect.gog.com, starting with these and more:
so maybe it was indeed

so it was actually just a week to grab PZ on GOG for Steam owners

from 2016-06-01T16:00
to
June 8, 12:59 PM UTC

and here's where the service was removed: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/gogcomco/discussions/0/3765605292800661240/ (although they stopped offering games earlier)

PZ was never there afterwards

[flint vapor]

Let me check the tools by downloading them. Tho do you manage to download the Linux ones somehow ? The dropbox doesn't work for me
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59675-latest-tilezed-worlded-and-tilesets-september-8-2022/

[languid kayak]

I think the only way to get them on Linux is to complite them yourself (or someone else compiling them for you)

[flint vapor]

But there's a download link here

[languid kayak]

oh wait true

[flint vapor]

Can you try the dropbox and tell me if you can download it ?

Tells me this

Actually even the windows one is broken for me

[languid kayak]

try different browser?

but yeah, it's downloading for me

[flat sun]

downloads work for me

[flint vapor]

Why do I always get fucking issues with their fucking downloads lmao

Well thx

Ok so regarding this page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Modding_Tools

Renaming it to just Modding Tools is mostly just a question of do we even want to keep the "Project Zomboid" in the title ? LIke we already know this is PZ

Imo it's just a looong name for not that much, and yea sure it's the name of the software in Steam, but the software is actually not "Modding Tools", it's TileZed and WorldEd at the end of the day

So idk

[flat sun]

imo a rename is undesirable because 'Project Zomboid Modding Tools' is its actual full name and the only name it goes by, i don't think there's any particular reason to prefer shorter page names

i also think that a page just called 'modding tools' would be a little confusing, it sounds like a page dedicated to all modding tools, not just TIS's ones

[flint vapor]

Yea that's fair

[flat sun]

the full title is arguably still a little ambiguous in that way but it sounds more like the name of something

[languid kayak]

yeah, exactly that, I'll remove the notice then

I just realized we don't link to Project Zomboid on Steam and GOG in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Steam and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GOG at all 😄

Links to SteamDB and GOGDB can be also added. I might or might not add it, so letting you know just in case @lucid junco

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Modding_Tools links to SteamDB currently

Another parameter missing from infobox item seems to be pressure_max for tires @digital helm. Assuming that parameter is still a thing in B42, I'll just move the tires and keep it so it can be added later

[languid kayak]

Actually, it might not be there?

    item OldTire1
    {
        DisplayCategory = VehicleMaintenance,
        Weight    =    15.0,
        Type    =    Normal,
        DisplayName    = Tire - Old,
        Icon    =    CarTire,
        VehicleType =   1,
        MaxCapacity = 30,
        ChanceToSpawnDamaged = 70,
        ConditionMax = 100,
        ConditionLowerStandard = 0.04,
        ConditionLowerOffroad = 0.5,
        WheelFriction = 1.2,
        MechanicsItem = TRUE,
        WorldStaticModel = Wheel,
        Tags = IsFireFuel;HasMetal;WholeTire,
        FireFuelRatio = 0.25,
        ResearchableRecipes = MakeTireForearmArmor;MakeTireShinArmor,
    }

ConditionLowerStandard and ConditionLowerOffroad might be something we want to add, as well with tires being a crafting item and fire fuel, we're missing this parameters (and tags).

Also I think chance_damaged is confusing, I initially assumed it'd be chance the item can be damaged when driving, while the parameter name is more explanatory ChanceToSpawnDamaged

I guess the issue was that "Chance to spawn damaged" may be too long?

It'd look like this

[languid kayak]

Ah, ConditionLowerStandard and ConditionLowerOffroad is in the table, but since we split these, these can as well go to the infobox now

[languid kayak]

From https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_vehicle_part description

capacity
The maximum weight that the container of a single tile can store, or other non-storage related capacities, such as electricity charge (use pressure_max instead for tires). If required, tooltips can be set manually using Template:Container capacity, which are automatically added if container is defined. Up to 3 different capacities can be defined by adding a suffix id to the end of the parameter, e.g. capacity2.

pressure_max
ConditionMax for tires (use capacity for other items). part_tier can be used to display the tier of the part next to the value with the same suffix id.

So what's the pressure_max from? It seems to be something that's not from scripts?

we could utilize capacity for the tires now that they are split though if needed.

A lot of logic in infobox vehicle part was to handle few properties for different types of items

ah indeed, it's MaxCapacity

and the issue with capacity is that the organized/unorganized tooltip is displayed

[timber quartz]

@dusty plaza

what do you think about this

[languid kayak]

      item OldCarMuffler1
      {
          DisplayCategory = VehicleMaintenance,
          Weight    =    10.0,
          Type    =    Normal,
          DisplayName    = Muffler - Old,
          Icon    =    CarMuffler,
          VehicleType =   1,
          EngineLoudness = 80,
          ConditionMax = 100,
          ConditionLowerStandard = 0.02,
          ConditionLowerOffroad = 0.4,
          MechanicsItem = TRUE,
          WorldStaticModel = Muffler,
      }

Huh, apparently it's EngineLoudness and we have it already

[languid kayak]

Same applies for Mufflers too btw ConditionLowerStandard and ConditionLowerOffroad are definitely something we'd want to add to the infobox, the table will be redundant and removed then and infobox can be easily updated automatically.

[languid kayak]

@digital helm you also link to https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_vehicle_part&limit=500 in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys – might want to update it 🙂

Then it's only one FR page, two RU pages and TR pages to update

[digital helm]

Woops! Good catch. I completely forgot about that

The trailing zeros are removed as a standard. Figured that looked nicer.

[digital helm]

I think explicitly adding it as a standard only adds to it, whilst removing it creates ambiguity. I can't remember if there are any that aren't mechanics, but it also future proofs if they ever change it or add something like armour that needs to be welded.

[languid kayak]

I changed it to |recommended_level=[[Mechanics]] 3 for now then, everything is like that so far

btw, I also changed the tool and tool2 to |mechanics_tool=[[Jack]]<br>[[Wrench]], I guess it's what we want? No idea if having mechanics_tool and mechanics_tool2 is any beneficial?

[digital helm]

Not sure if you've found one already, but this probably the best one, unless you find the original quote which was probably from Lemmy on Reddit or something

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25564-pz-is-on-sale-last-sale-before-price-increase/&utm_source=chatgpt.com

[digital helm]

I think we said no because the icon would just be the item icon. For tiles it's a bit different

[languid kayak]

Not sure why there are two dots here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk/fr

[digital helm]

The page needs a thorough review since b42 changes. Sounds like it's missing. They're listed here, which was updated more recently https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gardening#Seeds

[digital helm]

It's under tools now, which is on the right sidebar

[digital helm]

I might've missed that 🤔 I included it in the Wip vehicle maintenance page

[dreamy girder]

Finally updated "https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modix" page. Thanks for having us again again ❤️

[digital helm]

Thanks for updating! I've just had to remove a link as it's against wiki rules.
Will need to be modified a bit though to fit the wiki-style @flint vapor

[digital helm]

I think it's clear vehicle parts in the infobox aren't quite ready @proud cobalt 😄 I'll take a look during the week

[dreamy girder]

No problem at all 🙂

[languid kayak]

it's mostly placeholder being put, the lack of the ConditionLower and fr/ru/tr splits: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_vehicle_part

[digital helm]

Hopefully that's fixed now? It's still there, but may be cached so I'll come back later and check

[naive imp]

@digital helm @languid kayak are you guys noticing an uptick in spam too? I feel like there's more.

How are they getting past the filters?

[digital helm]

Yeah. It's been since the previous upgrade. There were issues that I won't get into here, but it's been continuously passed onto Kirrus

Keep an eye out I guess 😄

[naive imp]

I'm guessing newer MediaWiki upgrade invalidated or otherwise created ways to circumvent existing security measures?

Flaws perhaps?

Idk I'm not a network engineer

I fix cars not computers lol

[languid kayak]

should be better now but yeah, if you notice some, either ban or let us or Kirrus know 🙂

[naive imp]

I HAVE THE POWER

Lol

I'll jump right on it if yall don't get to it first

[naive imp]

Thats an immediate permanent ban right

[digital helm]

Anything that's obvious, ban without question.

[naive imp]

Yes, Staff Sargeant! 🫡

[proud cobalt]

I havnt even looked at tile list tbh, idk how accurate it is. Feel free to update duplicate files.

[lilac wigeon]

no it doesn't. it APPEARS that the agriculture page is saying that every month that isn't a bad month is growing season, with the automatic exception of winter, but its not clear

[digital helm]

I misunderstood what you're asking. To me, it looks like 'growing season' means any month not listed. I.e. not a sow month, good month, bad month or poor month. If so, I think it could be called something other than growing season to avoid that confusion.

Growing season isn't a property defined by a crop, so it's not listed in the table

[flint vapor]

You have not respect the styling of the modding projects wiki pages

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding_projects

Please read this page

You completely dismissed the entire previous page to just straight up write an entirely new page literally above it, repeating informations and completely dismissing everything

[flint vapor]

I manually reverted the page to the previous state it was in, I will need you to reconsider the way you just handled that please...
You can see the old changes you had made in the historic of changes of the page

[languid kayak]

If we are pretty sure it's a bot yeah. We can unban them and they can write kirrus if needs be anyway, so usually it's idenfinite and preventing creating accounts for 1 day from me.

If you do ban though, let me, Vail or calvy know, we'll forward that to Kirrus so he can teach the spam filter too

[naive imp]

Okay this is not something I have done before so I'll be sure to let you guys know

Thanks for the heads up

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-gif-13095906

[languid kayak]

Still has two dots for some reason apparently 🤔 @digital helm

[digital helm]

I'll take a closer look tonight if I have time

[languid kayak]

I want to get around to removing that template, we already had Spanish being needlessly translated and I would rather people not waste time to translate stuff that will get removed eventually 😄 And it's pretty much just these pages left, not sure if we have some easy way to split them though 🤔

I suppose some things will get ironed out where a new script run with wiki update will pick the remaining vehicle parts as CalvyBot, and like I said I would like to add the missing paramters there, maybe I'll get to it today.

We still want to write pages for general vehicle parts, right? Similar to how we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Radio https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Walkie_Talkie https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ham_Radio and individual pages right? Maybe I'll work something out for that, maybe it will be easier to move the Turkish/Russian/French pages there and just remove the infoboxes that way…

There are these pages for starters:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Engine (it lacks infobox, but there's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spare_Engine_Parts)

as well as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Heater https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Headlight and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Headlight

[digital helm]

We still want to write pages for general vehicle parts, right
That was the plan

I wouldn't bother with adding the missing params for the infoboxes. They'll get added automatically by the bot. Hopefully I'll get to adding them to the script this week

[languid kayak]

yeah, but the new parametrs, as in physically adding support to the infobox item 😄

ConditionLowerStandard, and ConditionLowerOffroad mostly

[digital helm]

Found them. They are there, just called degradation_standard and degradation_offroad

Also in the script already. So when we switch over to the new infobox (in the parser) it'll be added

These are what I have for all the vehicle part related properties (may be more I missed)

    param["vehicle_type"] = item.vehicle_type

    param["max_capacity"] = item.get("MaxCapacity")
    param["brake_force"] = item.brake_force
    param["engine_loudness"] = item.engine_loudness
    param["degradation_standard"] = item.condition_lower_standard
    param["degradation_offroad"] = item.condition_lower_offroad
    param["suspension_damping"] = item.suspension_damping
    param["suspension_compression"] = item.suspension_compression
    param["wheel_friction"] = item.wheel_friction
    param["chance_damaged"] = item.chance_to_spawn_damaged
    #param["mechanics_tool"] =  #TODO
    #param["recommended_level"] =  #TODO
    #param["required_recipe"] =  #TODO

[digital helm]

Fixed

How do we feel about having nav buttons for foraging categories, e.g. like items https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Items_nav
And is this something we'd want to use more? They do something similar on the fallout wiki which I really like. Navigation is pretty easy

[languid kayak]

ohh, neat! Didn't spend enough time searching for it

glad I didn't straight up add them 😄

[naive imp]

So kind of like a navbox but at the top of the page? Could be used to make navboxes a little less unwieldy with how big they are.

Would great for use in pages like "Weapons" or "Businesses" where there's a bunch of categories and we can neatly display them

I like the idea

[languid kayak]

explains why there's so much placeholder in these last three attributes 😄

[languid kayak]

So just navbar just like in items or furniture just for foraging? Why not

[languid kayak]

Seems to be these three that filled them as placeholder? https://github.com/Vaileasys/pz-wiki_parser/blob/main/scripts/items/item_infobox_legacy.py#L226

Anyway, I think it should be relatively easy to fix

a lot of the vehicle mainteneance items lack code too, didn't do that manually, thinking bot will pick it eventually

[languid kayak]

okay, filled that for tires and mufflers now, removing the table. The script will likely update them if I made a mistake

I also noticed that Calvy's recent item revamp script must have skipped a lot of vehicle parts as they didn't use the infobox item. They lack new layouts such as ==Navigation==

[digital helm]

Yeah, I had forgotten I added placeholder instead of commenting them out in the old infobox. New one is what I showed, where it's commented

[digital helm]

I think the current design we have, we'd want to be strict with its use, because it's not as compact as fallout wiki's. So really just overview/category/type pages.
Could be good for business types. Should be easy enough for you to make.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbar

Also, it's already there on the weapons page 😄

[naive imp]

When we finally have all the locations done (which may be sooner than later if I can continue to contribute) I'll experiment it with sandbox

[proud cobalt]

Yes i only did items, nothing with vehicle parts

It's written on my whiteboard to add support for vehicle parts, if they're being merged into items it should just work

[rotund echo]

Is it possible to create the Katana blade or no?

[proud cobalt]

It doesn't seem so

[rotund echo]

That sucks, at least we can make the "Sword"

Does the spawn rate of Katana man the same or is it different now?

[proud cobalt]

You can use a katana blade to make a sword but not a katana, You also cant make a katana blade or the katana itself

[proud cobalt]

There's more ways it can spawn, some of them slightly higher effective chance of spawning

Some of the much, much lower

Like from 0.2% to 0.02%

[rotund echo]

damn

As long as Katana man still spawns after Day 60 it will be good

[proud cobalt]

Yeah day 60 1%

[rotund echo]

So same like before then? Ok that's nice

[proud cobalt]

I started a basements article and energy fell off the cliff so its quite stubby now, but at least there's an article now

[languid kayak]

these are regular items so I guess the script will auto-pick them?

[languid kayak]

yup, just gotta remove the fr/ru/tr usage and the vehicle template can be removed altogether

I will work on generic vehicle pages hopefully this week (in wiki editor time :D)

[proud cobalt]

I've uploaded the 128px versions of the side icons, while leaving the others as they were
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Left_HUD_icons

They are named as they are found in the files

[proud cobalt]

Rename {{Obsolete}} to {{Removed}}. This one seems simple enough, i'll get the bot going on it

@languid kayak ^

@languid kayak Just files left, should these use removed even?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Obsolete&limit=500

[languid kayak]

There are some low-handing bot work btw still on tasks

Including some of the repeatable one (not sure we do run them on some semi-actual basis? Is the list even up-to-date anymore?) Also was thinking of removing stuff that we definitely won't be pursuing.

build → Build (like I noted IIRC) was probably mostly fixed manually, I don't really encounter it but interesting how many might be left 😄

[serene sage]

another Calvy W

oh yeah, I'm now reminded of the fact that I'm supposed to be working on randomized stories

got carried away rewriting the zombie article

[languid kayak]

Still awaiting that 👀

[rotund echo]

I don't have enough knowledges of B42 to be making any edits!!

[proud cobalt]

Some of them are done every time the updater is run, but that's only on item, fluid, tile pages. Some of the ones waiting aren't as easy as they sound

[languid kayak]

The aren't easy as they sound we can think whether are worth pursuing at all, I can remove them altogether if they take more effort than it's worth

[rotund echo]

Who tf ghost ping me

[proud cobalt]

Template:Obsolete deleted, all uses moved to Template:Removed

[proud cobalt]

Some of them finished/in progress

<@&671452400221159444>

[languid kayak]

feel free to adjust as needed if somethin's off, as I might not know which 😄

[proud cobalt]

Every page with a navbox should now have the navigation header

[digital helm]

Awesome!

[languid kayak]

Turned out I managed to do it in reverse wiki editor time after all. https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time#Reverse_Valve_Time

Goodbye {{Infobox vehicle part}}, you served us well 🫡

You may want to update your user page @digital helm https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_vehicle_part

I'll probably work more on the general vehicle part pages, right now they are created based on the individual ones, but there are a lot of duplicated info and may be some factual errors / copypasta.

I left the redirects for now, but not sure we will need them still? E.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Trunk_Lid_(disambiguation) is not linked and we can swap between variants from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk_Lid#Variants and the individual pages

[digital helm]

The base Trunk Lid page could be used for all the common info, and just add the specific differences on each variant page. That's what we started off doing with the item splits, not sure where we ended up with that though.

But yeah, the dismabig page probably isn't necessary, but it isn't doing any harm, is it? Could link to it in an About on Trunk Lid

[languid kayak]

Yeah, the first thing is the plan. I'd have to re-read it and keep the generic info on the main page and just keep the relevant bits in variants (where individual parts should be the only things parser will touch).

As for the disambigs, I can link it if they are useful, so they no longer start appearing in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages

Although disambigs are kinda messy anyway, I gave some attention to them in the past, but there are some thinking to iron out as well I planend to go through eventually (no ETA on that): https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Disambiguation_pages

[flint vapor]

Nice, time for me to forget about it in my newly created pages

[digital helm]

Reminder to leave the item id out of the infobox, then the bot won't touch it

[rotund echo]

Seems weird, you can't smell CO in real life kek

[digital helm]

Also won't only 65% kill you 😄

[languid kayak]

Isn't it 95%? But still relevant lol

Though good point actually; making tired/sleepy (or dizzy/fainting/whatever, not sure there'd be a matching in-game mechanic for it) would probably be more realistic 🤔.

[languid kayak]

Do we need a page for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hood_Ornament or disambig?

Currently the three are listed as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hood_Ornament_-_Badger#Variants

and the item themselves use the same model as plusehs and cannot be found (nor they work) – not sure if they will be properly implemented or scrapped eventually

@proud cobalt weren't you doing these kind of redirects with bot before? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Jerrycan_of_gas&redirect=no

Is this still working? Seems a lot are missing for the new items

(this one I created manually :P)

[proud cobalt]

I have not done it for B42 yet because there was so much movement in items. It's probably good enough to look at doing now

The town not named jamieton also has a basement named lot_basement_jamieton_bunker_01.pzby just to be a little more confusing 😄

[rotund echo]

That isn't the Jamieton Army Surplus?

[proud cobalt]

It's not really connected to the store

[rotund echo]

When we say "Jamieton" we both mean this place, yes?

[rotund echo]

Very strange...

[proud cobalt]

Yes, except it is confirmed not named Jamieton

[rotund echo]

Wait, if so, then what is it?

[proud cobalt]

Pat says it's not a town so it doesnt have a name

[proud cobalt]

Running now, 3 hour eta

[languid kayak]

@thin cloud you may take a look at that (this reply and convo below), seems that mappers thinked similar to our wiki editors 😄

[digital helm]

@languid kayak current output for vehicle part infoboxes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5 (no more placeholders) - still some clean up to do which you'll definitely notice 😄

[proud cobalt]

Idk if it needed a ping 😅

[digital helm]

How do we feel about moving bracketed parts of an infobox title to the next line, and reduce size slightly? Citizen skin already does this in part to the page title

[proud cobalt]

I prefer it on a new line

[proud cobalt]

2700 new redirects

[languid kayak]

probably that mostly; which is interesting as I wanted to touch that as well 😄

Actually, I wasn't sure whether mL or ml should be used (as both are correct), I mostly see it written as ml but I never paid attention how it is in game and maybe more regional difference

[thin cloud]

Jamieton not a place

[rotund echo]

What is then, a weird closely knit assortment of houses and businesses?

[quartz bear]

The author of the map 🥴

[languid kayak]

Yeah, new line seems perfect 👌 I guess it's automated, right?

[languid kayak]

I now removed th info already in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brake like that https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Brake_-_Old_(Standard_Vehicle)&diff=prev&oldid=1066103

I gyess that is enough for these pages and will continue for the rest if time permits, though if there's any comments, it's best to give them 🙂

The placeholders in infobox and missing code will hopefully resolve themselves with the next script update

[languid kayak]

Also, can we list vehicles that can spawn with the part? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brake_-_Old_(Standard_Vehicle)#Obtaining only list containers, a lot of others pages don't list it all.

[languid kayak]

also, is it sports or sport? I see contradictions; I think we had this discussion before?

sports it seems

[digital helm]

We could, but the quality is random, so it'd be every vehicle in that vehicle type. Maybe just link to either the vehicle type or the base vehicle?

Most containers are overwritten by by the vehicle itself, which would be why it's there

[digital helm]

I'm thinking of adding the part type. Then we can link back to the base page, or connect light bulb to headlights, etc.

[digital helm]

Yeah, we don't say a "sport vehicle" 😄

[languid kayak]

that could work too. Right now I at least ensured a link is there in the description

[languid kayak]

yeah, sounds more natural 😛 Fixed in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Vehicle&diff=1066121&oldid=1056823

[digital helm]

Both places would be good I think

[languid kayak]

Anyway, kinda tired, but will continue tomorrow probably. 6 out of 9 brakes are done, more parts hopefully tomorrow (wiki time)

[cedar yoke]

the main carpentry page has a typo under tools: screwriver

can't fix because its protected

[digital helm]

Not protected, just need to have an account

[cedar yoke]

oh, i didn't realise

lemme go fix it myself then!

[digital helm]

Thanks for the help 😄

[cedar yoke]

you as well!

[lucid junco]

Maybe the real Jamieton were friends we made along the way

[naive imp]

@digital helm @proud cobalt I went through all the town pages and added improve to them, maybe it'll spark some others to help. While crawling through the non English pages I found many pages significantly out of date. I just put outdated with hidecat parameter, as we don't want these pages to be mixed in the the outdated pages as a result of Build 42.

This got me thinking, I wonder if it'd be worth it to make a site maintenance subcategory for outdated translations? I know our translation community is a bit non existent at that moment but documentation couldn't hurt right?

I think the best way would be to add a parameter to {{outdated}} for this purpose, that would put them in a separate category in site maintenance. Thoughts?

Would maybe be interested in partaking of some of the work myself, get to know under the hood work better maybe.

[naive imp]

Also the chicken page's non English links redirect to the food not the animal

Can't seem to figure out how to fix it

[languid kayak]

btw @digital helm not sure we want to do with that text overflowing? I think the vehicle parts are the only ones with such long name https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brake_-_Performance_(Standard_Vehicle)#Variants

[languid kayak]

you don't have to put hidecat on them, as they will be classified as outdated/xx

There is a site mainteneance for every labnguage, see for example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance/pl

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles/pl – notice the results are different in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles

[naive imp]

Right but last time I checked I added them it also added to English category?

Unless I'm misremembering

[languid kayak]

no, if they are added, it's an error, probably in template 🙂

We only have 20 outated pages and ` screenshot, and less with the vehicle parts hopefully sonn™ (they had old infobox so the code wasn't updated automatically; Calvy's parser should settle it eventually) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles

[naive imp]

Lemme test in a sec holup

[languid kayak]

Changed it here https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=West_Point%2Fja&diff=1066271&oldid=1066211 – it is now in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles/ja and not https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles

if you want you can safely remove the |hidecat=true from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/ThinkDock1721 (10 results, 9 8 now), if not I can do that too 😄

@digital helm are this namings correct?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Livestock_Trailer - proper case
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Horse_trailer - sentence case?

If the latter would be just called "Trailer", it'd be probably "Trailer (horse)" like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer_(advert)

Also this page is due to be created, right? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Trailer_(cover)

[naive imp]

Shit you right an stupid

Will change it

[digital helm]

They are/were correct. Hadn't gotten around to checking in 42.10 before reporting to pat

[languid kayak]

actually the other way around, you wanted something we already did, great minds thinks alike they say 😄

[languid kayak]

ah, so one is proper and one is sentence case? Definitely something to report, other than that can put it on trivia

(and redirects fot both proper/sentence case if we don't have them already :P)

@proud cobalt should we make redirects for this, or will it be fixed/changed on a script to link to proper page?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Guard_Truck_Bed
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/S_W_A_T_Truck_Bed

I just updated redirect for a regular "Truck Bed" https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Truck_Bed&redirect=no to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trunk

Also, would be best if the original and not redirected name would be shown in the distribution table, else these are just redirects:
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Seat_Rear&redirect=no
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Seat_Front&redirect=no

so without clicking one will not know wheter it's front or back seat on mobile https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gas_Can#Loot

but yeah, the previous one should probably go to "Type", as it'd be "Prison Guard" and "Police SWAT" (no issue why spaces are parsed?)

[naive imp]

@flint vapor I went ahead and changed this page to {{improve}} since it hasn't been touched in a while. If the page really is that short feel free to remove

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Timed_Actions

@digital helm Clearing out the wip pages, found this that hasn't been touched for a while and looks good to me. I went ahead and put {{improve}} on it but if its all good feel free to remove https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ToggleHeading

[digital helm]

What was happening with this? Were you still wanting to use it? I'm not sure it should be used tbh. I think the TOC should be good enough

[naive imp]

I was just clearing out site maintenance and saw that you made it and then never touched it but didn't wanna just smite it in case you still had a plan for it or smth

[digital helm]

I'll take a look at this and see if @proud cobalt and I can sort something out. I got vehicle parts structured nicely in the script so should be able to fix it there, but a redirect wouldn't hurt in the meantime tbh

[digital helm]

I made it because you wanted it lol 😆 happy for it to go if you wanna do the execution?

[naive imp]

Oh wait I think I remember this wasn't there like the whole thing about the collapsible headers at one point for the sake of page length?

Please forgive me its 0500 over here

[digital helm]

Nah you're good

Yeah that's it

[naive imp]

maybe I'll experiment a bit? Especially on pages like Louisville and other long pages

But it doesn't solve the character limit problem of extremely long pages. Still could be useful. I'll play around with it and if it's not needed I guess I'll delete it

[digital helm]

My concern is its usage. Because it's a template you can't have any | or = characters, which could cause issues down the line when people want to edit it. Or people will see it used there, then it'll start being used in other places, and cause issues there. Essentially, it could cuase issues, maybe not today, but someday

But take a look and we can see

[naive imp]

I was thinking the same. I know that's how I started editing, looking at other pages

Doc will help but I'll bet many won't even know how to read it

[digital helm]

Or won't even know that what they're editing is part of a template. Because it's essentially going to be the size of a normal page

[naive imp]

Right because won't it just replace a whole section header?

Hmmmmmmm

[digital helm]

We might have to come back to this, and/or create a dummy page. Because there's no page about the animal in that language, there's nothing to change the redirect to

[digital helm]

Yeah. An entire section's worth of content (or even multiple levels)

[naive imp]

I wonder if we autotranslate the pages and change redirect target? Good band-aid for now I think

[digital helm]

I was thinking along those lines, but the English page isn't exactly finished

[naive imp]

Ykw I think we should probably just wack it. If you want I can save the code in a text file in case we ever go back on it?

[naive imp]

No but neither is the redirect fiasco

I mean most translations get abandoned anyway so 🤷

[digital helm]

Alternative is to just delete it

*the redirect I Mean

[naive imp]

Yeah, especially considering we already have {{about}}

I'll get to that tmrw

I think just deleting it would be the best option yeah

[digital helm]

blank slate for someone to do something with. A redirect might feel scary for someone to replace

[naive imp]

Agreed

[digital helm]

I've deleted it and added a link on my user page. So we can undelete it if we need it

[naive imp]

Cool thx

[digital helm]

Yeah, I knew this was going to pop up again. Because of the variation in the length of words. Probably shouldn't shorten the character limit anymore than it already is. Might be something to consider moving to lua so we have more control over the content. It's not hurting anything, so I'd put this is pretty low priority

[digital helm]

@languid kayak hood ornaments are used in Base.ModernCar_Martin haven't tested in-game yet

Also, updated vehicle part infoboxes if you wanna have a look. Fixed vehicle type and added vehicle part type https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5

[proud cobalt]

It is something that should be fixed, rather than band-aiding using redirects, i have starred it on my todo for prio

[proud cobalt]

^

[flint vapor]

Wasn't it stub before ?

[languid kayak]

neat! I decided to add hood ornament as future and will make a page for them

[languid kayak]

you can ping me for these, I think I spent on site mainteneance more time than Vail and originally had a plan to do similarto what you do now 😄

as in wip/improve/stub pages that is

though I do try to read everything anyway

[languid kayak]

not sureI can find all these pages easily though...

[languid kayak]

typical wiki editor time 👀

[proud cobalt]

Either 0500 after waking up or 0300 before going to bed 😆

[languid kayak]

Animals are one of the areas where least amount of work was put sadly.

[languid kayak]

admins can undelete pages too so nothing is truly lost unless Kirrus purges them (which was never done, wiki doesn't take that much space)

[digital helm]

My plan was to do them next, but got distracted with foraging

[languid kayak]

Also one issue with translations is that we're kinda waiting for official ones to hit too. And the project is not really managed too.

Also not sure at this point whether MLEB is planned/needed? Not really pushing it much nowadays.

I think Vail planned some translation template changes for {{T}}? But the templates currently are not so bad either.

[digital helm]

"planned" yep... again got distracted 😄

MLEB would definitely still be convenient for translators imo

[languid kayak]

We should probably make a page for it in the end https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/IGUI_VehicleNameModernCar_Martin

Though I think the name should scrap the IGUI_VehicleName? We got some autocreated variants of these: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/IGUI_VehicleNameModernCarSmashedRight

Technically I think that is the name shown though… (maybe something that could be pushed for TIS, adding names for these even if just for debug?)

Created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hood_Ornament for now – needstesting/verifying and then fiilling usage

[languid kayak]

Here's the plan I had back then @naive imp if you want continue clearing the Stub/Improve/WIP: #pzwiki_editing message

Verify should be relatively doable too.

Basically stuff in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance

@digital helm updated that manually, not sure if an exception should be made in the script instead though https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki%3AVehicle_list&diff=1066453&oldid=1011325

[digital helm]

There will be. This was generated before we recorded vehicles in the page dictionary

[languid kayak]

Although I should lik to Trailer (cover) too

[rotund echo]

As anybody made a list of all the new wells they added in B42?

[digital helm]

I forgot about these. I'd copy the format of the other ones. Which I think is "Wrecked"(?)

[digital helm]

Probably not https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Well

[rotund echo]

Yeah they didn't

[empty wagon]

can I please get my wiki role removed, thank you

[digital helm]

Just tested it. There's no real usage. The usage for Martin's vehicle is install & uninstall like any other part. Can't see the hood though because it's clipping underground 😄 so the 'future' usage would be install on vehicles.

[digital helm]

you need to do it yourself in id:customize

[empty wagon]

oh right, thanks

[digital helm]

I've filled in the usage

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer added about to the (redlink) cover, but I think we should make a disambig for trailers too so we can link the other trailers https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Vehicle_list#Trailer

[digital helm]

disambig page would be good

[languid kayak]

neat 🙂

I want to make a https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Lightbar&redirect=no page too, just not sure if right now

[languid kayak]

do we have any vehicle disambig pages?

[digital helm]

I don't think so. Would that be needed? We have a list on the page, and the vehicles page

[languid kayak]

was wondering if there's something I can easily copy from 😄

[digital helm]

oh, probably not

[rotund echo]

Do guns in B42 still have crits like they did in B41 or nah?

[digital helm]

Lightbar page would be good. I've added it to the page map for vehicle parts, since it's technically a part, even if not (un)installable

"part": {
    "lightbar": {
        "mechanicArea": "Engine",
        "area": "SeatFrontLeft",
        "durability": 1
    },

[languid kayak]

page map for vehicle parts? you mean on scripts?

Made a basic one: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer_(disambiguation)

wasn't sure whether we should list models as we do with item icons 🤔

Maybe a PZ (video) trailer could be mentioned too? There's been a few actually

[digital helm]

I would assume so, by just looking at the code

[languid kayak]

that's my search results 😄

[digital helm]

Yeah, so we get this Vehicle part type

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense

[digital helm]

Added the missing trailer page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trailer_(cover)

[digital helm]

Nah, I don't think we'll need the models. Icons are good because they're so small

[naive imp]

No, was just {{wip}}. Standard protocol for those pages is to change to {{improve}} after nobody edits them for a bit, (if they still need work) as wip is for things under active work.

[flint vapor]

👌

[wide crest]

hi

[naive imp]

Hello 😀

[proud cobalt]

Made some changes and it seems better now

[digital helm]

I'll send you some stuff, probably over the weekend, to get those links going to a consistent place

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm Is BusinessX just unfortunate back end naming?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Genuine_Beer_Chevalier_Step_Van#Location

[rotund echo]

What the fuck, is this Deagle stats true?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/D-E_Pistol

One in TWO HUNDRED degrade chance!?

[proud cobalt]

ProjectZomboid\media\scripts\items_weapons_firearms.txt
ConditionLowerChanceOneIn = 200,
Retrieved: Build 42.10.0

[rotund echo]

Jesus, that's crazy!

I thought somebody pressed wrong or vandalized the page

Is this an anomaly with just the deagle or is it also the other guns?

[proud cobalt]

Likely not intentional, or condition has changed in B42, the template hasn't been checked afaik

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/M16_Assault_Rifle

Has the same condition lower chance

[rotund echo]

Damn they couldn't bugged out the durability of the M16? Why out of all guns, it is the Deagle that is bugged? 😂

[proud cobalt]

M16 has same as deagle

Firearms have been reworked in B42 though that's why the article hasn't been verified for B42

[digital helm]

Yeah, iirc it's to scale the spawn rate

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lightbar Kinda stubby though.

The intent would be to describe both the items found in B42 at glance, as well as the usual siren functionality.

[digital helm]

My thinking too. Looks good.

[naive imp]

Woah this new visual editor is... interesting

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520> announcement:
As ThinkDock has noticed already, the wiki now has access to VisualEditor! While experienced editors may still prefer source editing, visual editing allows edits by users who aren't as familiar with the wikitext system. We're hoping visual editing reduces the intimidation of making edits/fixes for new editors.
This also came alongside the enabling of TemplateData (a metadata extension and requirement for visualeditor), and CodeEditor, a more advanced source editor for Lua, CSS, and Js

[ruby schooner]

ok

[serene sage]

gonna try this out my eyes hurt from massive walls of wikitext

[cerulean marlin]

Hey

What does wiki editor mean

[proud cobalt]

The hope is for a new extension to help with that soon too 😄

[cerulean marlin]

Am I supposed to have this role

[cerulean marlin]

I’m unsure if I’m supposed to have this role

😭

[proud cobalt]

It means you edit the wiki, that's how you get into this channel. Feel free to remove it in id:customize

[serene sage]

yippee syntax highlighting (maybe)

[cerulean marlin]

Ah thanks

[digital helm]

Please don't spam nonsense

[opaque bramble]

ok

[rotund echo]

This is for the THIRD TIME I've activated an alarm despite having the building key

[vast ginkgo]

When's the wiki getting updated? For build 42?

[proud cobalt]

It already is being updated

[vast ginkgo]

Alright thanks for the info 👍 😀

[prisma flicker]

OMG so banned

[winter prairie]

[simple spade]

[flint vapor]

You have access to the channel without the role too

[proud cobalt]

You're right it's just the main way

[rotund echo]

Bro what is this TURBO show that increases sickness, stress, and insanity

I seen it broadcast at around 18:00 on July 9

[digital helm]

this one? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TURBO#timestamp_1080

weird that the "woo" makes you sick 🤔

[wheat spire]

is the wiki at least somewhat accurate now?

[rotund echo]

Yes

[languid kayak]

if it's not, look at the version on the top or whether it's marked as [verify] or similar. If not, feel free to edit or report here.

Most of the infobox stuff, as well as obtaining and history is up-to-date up to the most recent version (42.10.0), 41.78.16 is not really actively supported. @wheat spire

[serene sage]

has it always been 100% fast shamblers by default prior to build 42 or were things different sometime before build 41?

[naive imp]

As far as I can remember yes, except on challenge maps

I think studio has day sprinters

[serene sage]

nice

ok second question

would it be necessary to add a small blurb somewhere about zombie ragdolls

need justification to put a gif of zombie ragdolls flying on the page

oh yeah I'm talking about the zombie page rewrite btw

[flint vapor]

sure

[naive imp]

Eh why not

[naive imp]

I wish the remove coords feature on b42 map also removed the red marker from links. It's annoying to repeatedly input other coords into my search bar to move it so its not in screenshots

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt feasible from your end?

[quartz bear]

my favorite wikipedia

[proud cobalt]

Same

[proud cobalt]

God yes it's necessary

[proud cobalt]

That's probably doable I'll try remember maybe tomorrow depends how busy I am

[naive imp]

<@&671452400221159444>

This channel is for wiki discussion only. Please do not spam random nonsense

[lucid junco]

Its actually not a random nonsense

but 3-4 images of some scam

[flint vapor]

Jesus another interface change on the wiki haha ?

[languid kayak]

What exactly? This one should be relatively minor

[naive imp]

Just use edit source. I will say that VisualEditor is great for editing transclusions of templates though.

[naive imp]

Lmk when you come to a conclusion. If it's too much it's not a huge deal it's just annoying lol

[languid kayak]

oh the editor, yeah 😄

[naive imp]

What other interface changed? Did I miss something?

[languid kayak]

I though it was the skin upgrade, but that was before. It's minor tweaks you can read on https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/releases (we went from 3.0.0 to 3.4.0)

[naive imp]

Oh I use vector 2022, I hate the citizen skin.

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense. I got used to Citizen and we have it default, but there was some discussion with Vail and Calvy. How is Vector 2022 for you? And do you use light or dark mode?

[flat sun]

so i'm the only one using timeless? 😅

[proud cobalt]

I was a timeless lover but citizen just has so many improvements for active editing I had to switch. Oh and dark mode

[proud cobalt]

Will do

[digital helm]

Curious what it is you don't like about citizen

[proud cobalt]

Fixed and live

Lmk if there's any other qol fixes like that for you guys

[naive imp]

Vector's great. Simple, easy, to the point. I use dark mode to not obliterate my eyes

[naive imp]

I'm not a fan of it on desktop. Too many click-through menus and the overall architecture of the clickable elements, I'm just not a fan of. I like how Vector 22 has all the stuff on the sidebar, etc right there and easily accessible. It's also what I'm most used to seeing on other wiki and I prefer the asthetics of Vector over Citizen.

Tl;dr keep it simple stupid

[naive imp]

You're awesome bro fr thank you

[naive imp]

I shall remain on the lookout 🫡

[digital helm]

Good points. I'll keep that in mind, thanks

[proud cobalt]

Hello <@&1205891296565268520>s!
Announcing the very first PZwiki annual review month! It's time for us to have some discussion and settle down on the direction of the wiki. More info available here:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News

Thanks to our affiliate @past glacier and the IFW for the inspiration and help making this happen.

Remove this ping in id:customize

[proud cobalt]

Relevant lol ^

[serene sage]

damn the wiki coming to a crossroads

oops I said the word

[past glacier]

Hooray!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/yes-whoo-thaddeus-maximus-fallout-we-did-it-gif-9703490670481682153

[gloomy glen]

finally finished translating the survival guide, that was so goddamn long i'm dying 😭

[lucid junco]

Yep

C...

[flint vapor]

C

[languid kayak]

Was asking, as we mostly push fixes to Citizen, if there's something off, let us know too! It's Vail mostly taking care, but I can try to adjust if needed too 🙂

[languid kayak]

I used to dislike the Vector 22 back when it was added on Wikipedia, but I got to like Citizen more 😄

Double clicking is annoying though, I agree.(there are keyboard shortcuts, but not always accessible).

Calvy likes editing on mobile, I'm not really fond of mobile editing

[proud cobalt]

I don't really edit on mobile right now, but definitely use wiki on mobile

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw that, good work! I tried updating Survival Guide in the past, when you translated it, did you have any thoughts about the English page?

I think the page may be a little too long and though about refercing survival guide in-game, plus we'll adjust it to B42 eventually, I'll definitely ping you for any changes if needed be 🙂

Just keep in mind that some pages (like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/zombie by @serene sage is going to be rewritten), so if you want to translate some big pages you may ping me or Calvy (or just ask, we read the chat), so see if there's a plan for some rewrite just in case 😛

[flint vapor]

?

[proud cobalt]

Please don't spam

[digital helm]

I don't think I've ever read that article, because it's just too long. I also noticed today the in-game survival guide is Zomboid Survival Guide, not sure if that naming is new

[languid kayak]

The last bits are kinda irrelevant, and should probably be moved, especially now that we have good modding/mapping support, as they cover things like chunks IIRC

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survival_Guide#World

[proud cobalt]

CalvyBot recently hit 300k edits btw 🎉

[rotund echo]

My memory is hazy on this... does Blacksmith trait give you American Bladecraft knowledge?

[gloomy glen]

Definitely too long. Right now I can't check and I have awful memory, but I remember reading some parts that could be another page altogether, and others were redundant -both in the paragraph and as a whole- I cut some of those in the translation. I feel sometimes there were periods that should be comas (mostly in the parts were the skills are explained) but idk if that's just the way I write and in English it makes sense (I'm self taught, so I screw up English grammar regularly)

[naive imp]

Will do. Vector has been very solid though, nothing particularly wrong. I think since we used it for so long we mostly ironed out all the kinks

[naive imp]

It's all good, English grammar is bullshit

I can give it a look over for you if ya want

[rotund echo]

I use Grammarly to find and auto-correct any spelling or grammatical errors 😭

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520> Big infobox update going live, if you see any weirdness please report to Me or Vail.

Remove pings from this channel in id:customize

[halcyon magnet]

what the hell am I doing here

[languid kayak]

I had ambitious plans to re-read it, but I only did quick copy-editing, replaced images and did some minor work there to remove obviously outdated stuff. Will definitely need a second look.

[languid kayak]

you have the Wiki Editor role, you can remove it in id:customize

[lavish forge]

I don’t belong here

I’m a creep, I’m a weirdo

[proud cobalt]

I'm moving Autogen vehicles to a new category
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(B42_vehicles)

[rotund echo]

Do we need articles of burnt vehicles?

They only good they serve is Welding XP and materials

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

All variants

[timber jay]

besides whats the point of having a wiki if we're not gonna mentione everysingle object, function, and process in the game

[lilac wigeon]

that does bring the question, do different burnt vehicles take different amounts of time and propane to disassemble? are there different coefficients of friction involved in towing them to different locations? is there a difference in the components that you get from them when disassembling, separate of what you get for higher skill levels?

[flint vapor]

Soon

[proud cobalt]

hey @cedar yoke, i'm assuming you have the same name on the wiki. just want to confirm where you got the xp values for the new books before i update all the pages 😄

[cedar yoke]

I tested it in game!

opened new world without any mods enabled on default apocalypse settings and just insta leveled myself and insta read each book

in build 42

[proud cobalt]

Great work thanks 😄 i'll make sure each individual page lists the correct multiplier

[cedar yoke]

latest patch

okay thanks!

in the future is more documentation needed?

[proud cobalt]

Nah i just didnt want to repeat work that's already been done

[cedar yoke]

whoa holy crap you created B42map.com? that site is so useful

I just want to say thanks for making it man

[proud cobalt]

Thanks man, it's very helpful for us too, it was actually wiki editor exclusive until a community member offered to host it on their server

[cedar yoke]

oh wow, that was very generous of them!

and it makes sense that it would be quite helpful for wiki editors LOL

[proud cobalt]

That was fast

[wary stratus]

yeah got them in another chat

[proud cobalt]

Nice work

[proud cobalt]

<@&671452400221159444>

What if second scam 😄

[wary stratus]

thanks

[proud cobalt]

Does anyone else think the 'consumable properties' section/Template doesn't really accomplish what it sounds like it should? I know we have the Infobox but shouldn't we have all the consumable properties here?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Squash#Consumable_properties

[digital helm]

As in the nutrients? I guess to me the point of it is to show the difference between each of the stages of cooking and perishing. Something like the nutrients doesn't change afaik

[proud cobalt]

To me that that wouldn't fall under "Consumable properties" it might fall under a cooking section or something. Consumable properties sounds like all the properties when Consumed, something that should be on every food item page

I think it more comes down to the naming of the template, it doesn't really align with its purpose

[digital helm]

I agree with that. The perishable part though, isn't really relevant to cooking though 🤔

[proud cobalt]

I'd be happy to keep it under consumable properties + add more info to that section. Whether in the same template or not.

[digital helm]

I think that'd be good

Not sure how something like nutrients would fit into the existing template though, without it seeming overcrowded, with a lot of repeated values. But something to play with

[digital helm]

Something to definitely add. Doesn't seem to be any difference between vehicle types. But a list of the items, and probability of each is something that should be added, probably to the Car Wreck page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Car_Wreck

[proud cobalt]

Would likely just be a second part of the template

[proud cobalt]

<@&1205891296565268520> Announcement!
Visual editors got their update now it's source editors turn! The CodeMirror extension has been enabled on the wiki turning the old wall of text into beautiful coloured wall of text 😆

Turn it on by clicking the little pen icon in the source editor. Features include:

Coloured differentiation for templates, links, headers
Bracket tracking in templates
Collapsible sections in editor
And more!

To remove these pings, remove the wiki editor role in id:customize

[proud cobalt]

What should we do about articles in testing files that were created before we knew they existed. Eg.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bitters_(Placeholder)#Code

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm you were looking at doing a copyright template for files right? A while ago now 😄

https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Template:License

[digital helm]

These are commented out, right? I'd leave them and just mention that they can be found in the game files with these properties, but cannot be obtained/spawned in

[digital helm]

A long time ago now. Would have to have been at least a year ago now 😄

Something simple like this would've worked

[proud cobalt]

They're not commented out, just in files marked for testing (look at the source)

[proud cobalt]

Haha time flies right

Maybe they have a tool tip too that might be a low blow

[digital helm]

Ah... honestly idk. Maybe still just mention they're testing items, and may appear more fleshed out in a later version? I assume they can be spawned in.

[proud cobalt]

I can't test but the dev fish item can be spawned and is in one of those. A note might be best

[digital helm]

I wonder if they spawn naturally too. From the generated container table, I'd assume so

[flint vapor]

Nice ! Sadly I might still continue editing outside the wiki page with the same VSCode extension for wiki editing I've been using 😅

[proud cobalt]

I wouldn't blame you for that, there's definitely times I take articles out

[proud cobalt]

It seems so

[cloud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-it's-beautiful-i've-looked-at-this-for-five-hours-now-it's-beautiful-i've-looked-at-this-for-five-hours-now-tom-haverford-aziz-ansari-gif-5941818804013316452

[ruby parrot]

apart from tanning, can i use brain for anything? can it be composted or anything?

[thin cloud]

Part of your collection

[proud cobalt]

Added fishing to obtaining
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Largemouth_Bass#Obtaining

[digital helm]

Sick 👌

[proud cobalt]

I'm leaving some items in autogen intentionally even though they could be finished based on the current patch. The main reason is implementation. Currently some items (mostly new metalworking related) are missing implementation entirely (Usage and/or Obtaining), while some we dont have a nice way of displaying yet (butchering, animal parts).

[proud cobalt]

Butchering is now included in the loot template. Tomorrow i should be able to get to adding obtaining to all the items that now have data.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Deer_Leather_(Unprocessed)#Obtaining

[proud cobalt]

Done, about 300 more articles with loot

[naive imp]

Bro you're a fucking MACHINE

What the actual hell

Work on standardizing locations continues steadily. Got about half of Irvington done at this point, my goal is to get Irvington and either Ekron or Brandenburg done be the end of the month

Given that @lucid junco has mostly laid the foundation for it (major thanks once again by the way) I think it's quite feasible.

[proud cobalt]

Thanks bro. Ive got a personal goal trying to reach by end of month

[digital helm]

Is that goal to finish the wiki?

[proud cobalt]

That's a stretch goal

Having autogen cleared would be really nice though

Maybe then items could be done by the end of the year

[digital helm]

Now that'd be nice

[proud cobalt]

Ok animal autogen mostly done, autogen under 700 now

[rotund echo]

Is there any room or building in the entire Knox Country that has the "armyhangar" room definition?

[proud cobalt]

Not that I'm aware of

[rotund echo]

I seen somebody get those air force coveralls from out of all things, a late game bandit xD

[proud cobalt]

Im pretty sure the air force ones legit just don't spawn

I should get to the new outfits one day

[rotund echo]

#pz_b42_chat message

I saw a guy who found Air Force coverall on a zombie
If I'm not wrong, he doesn't play with much invasive mods

[proud cobalt]

Nice find. I also think you'd be hard pressed to find a locker in a bedroom room. So foraging would be the only way to not lose my mind

[digital helm]

Little less exciting than butchering loot. But we have animal corpses now https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Corpse#Dead_animals

[proud cobalt]

Looks nice

[rotund echo]

Does simply leaving the electric stove on for too long cause fire? Or does it need to have food burning inside?

[flat sun]

it has to have food burning inside

leaving ovens on causing fires on its own is persistent misinformation

[rotund echo]

I was afraid I accidentally left the stove on

But I took out any pieces of food

My ADHD ass, should be safe, yes

[proud cobalt]

Container items done (mostly [as usual now]). 580 autogen left

[odd spear]

Good afternoon.

I started translating the pages into my own language and found that I couldn't rename the page name.

For example, I want to rename the page name to Russian and write "Transport" instead of "Vehicle/ru".

But it gives me an error.

Help please.

For example, here is a page like this - https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle/ru

[proud cobalt]

the way to change the display name of translated pages is by using the title template. at the very top of the page on the first line you would add
{{Title|Транспорт}}

[proud cobalt]

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[naive imp]

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This channel is for wiki discussion only.

[proud cobalt]

Nobody online atm, i can remove from this chat but then they cant ban

[naive imp]

Wack

[rotund echo]

Wow, usually for these they get deleted in minutes

[digital helm]

I've deleted it, and reported to mods

[rotund echo]

Why are there constantly repeated Mr. Beast scams