pzwiki_editing

[lucid junco]

Appreciate it

[tribal laurel]

Id like to call to attention the zombie article in the pz wiki. I think it needs a full rewrite. Some sections could be fine with some edits but others should br scrapped and redone. If we all take a chunk we should be able to fix this article. The sections that need to be done are:

Spawning
Behavior
Hordes
Combat and damage
Crawlers
Sprinters
Knox infection
Wounds and decomposition
Outfits
Unique variants
Items

Everyone can take atleast one. As people volunteer to edit sections i will remove them from the list!

[serene sage]

I’ve already got a draft going: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/zombie

planning on rewriting the entire thing from top to bottom but lately time has become a much more precious commodity

[tribal laurel]

You want help?

[serene sage]

I’d like to draft the thing up myself first, then I can open it up for other people to make changes

that way things remain more consistent

[tribal laurel]

Kk

[languid kayak]

@lucid junco wouldn't logo from https://pzwiki.net/w/images/3/30/Coalfield_Brochure.png be better for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Coalfield main logo btw?

is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Winter_Is_Coming enough to no longer be stub too? Pinging @lucid junco as you did the most edits recently there?

[lucid junco]

Maybe, Ill give it a shot sometime later if no one else does

[lucid junco]

Yeah, the only thing Id do is to leave coords somewhere of the starting house

[languid kayak]

That was it? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Winter_Is_Coming&curid=19853&diff=1008949&oldid=1008945

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I couldnt figure out of the top of my head how to make it as a link, so just removed it

And obviously it would go to the house, not the message

[languid kayak]

Huh, this is indeed something I never heard of? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Vehicle&curid=10651&diff=1011245&oldid=1011071 Discord is not really easy to keep track of, or maybe some devs can be asked again

Wamted to link to Fossoil Chevrol D6, but I realized it has no unique page yet https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Vehicle&action=edit&section=1 – Vail mentioned the naming is not finished yet though https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Chevalier_D6#Variants so not sure whether I should touch it 🤔 Leaving for future though

[serene sage]

"Chevrol"

[languid kayak]

not sure what does this means? Exercise fatigue? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Exercise&diff=prev&oldid=1012141

Is it a fear moodle indeed? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Moodle&curid=322&diff=1012175&oldid=970811

[flint vapor]

Probably a question that will have a no answer but, is there a tooltip system when hovering links ?

Where you can show extra text somehow ?

[languid kayak]

Okay, a bit late, but here's the May 2025 summary <@&1205891296565268520> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#May_2025_summary enjoy!

[obtuse remnant]

Me

[coral musk]

Heck yeah! lol I hope they have consumer cybernetics, too.

[rigid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/jschlatt-schlatt-gun-who-pinged-me-ping-gif-16993835166890634442

nevermind its faalgorn.

[muted stone]

Faalagorn...
Get it right, ralf

[proud cobalt]

We have tooltips, but not for links, that would require an extension (it may be included but not activated)

Nice work @flint vapor i don't get to keep up with the modding side much so your summary very helpful. Making great progress it seems, and almost 600 joins to the modding discord is great

[digital helm]

For an external link you can do [https://google.com <span title="example tooltip">Example</span>] although it's not very pretty

[languid kayak]

the summary was an hour or so late as stupid me forgot to include it though 😄 (sorry!) so everyone who didn't get to read it yet, please do so 😄

[digital helm]

I have all the pages generated, I just need to not be lazy and get it done

[languid kayak]

Though the names would have to be adjusted manually?

[digital helm]

Once I create the pages, I can regenerate the page dictionary and automatically update the tables

[languid kayak]

but it's all on a script, not manually, right?

as in the name of the vehicle (that is manually, but in a script, not the actual wiki :D)

[digital helm]

Name of the vehicle is automated. If they don't have a unique name then they shouldn't have one in-game either. So the page will be something like Chevalier D6 (Fossoil), but the name will still be Chevalier D6 (same thing we do for items). It's all automated. Creating those pages will need to be manual

[proud cobalt]

Took me 3 hours to get to it 😄

[barren rune]

bro

thats googledebondkers

[flint vapor]

Thank you ! Yeah 600 is quite a lot for sure

[proud cobalt]

Jamieton page created by a new user, i've given them some info on how to format the article, give them a chance to update it/verify its name. But making you aware @naive imp @lucid junco
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jamieton
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Calvy#Jamieton

[lucid junco]

Jamieton is not a real location

And its not like the case of burnt town or Tanglewood, since it doesn't have anything distinctive to it

Nor does it have any boundaries

[proud cobalt]

I'm giving them a chance to show anything other than this

[lucid junco]

Thats also a thing

There are nothing in the game that calls this location Jamieton

Nor is this location marked on the map

The only other thing that it has going for it is some folks calling it Jamieton

[proud cobalt]

Like i said, i'm trying to give them a chance instead of straight up deleting it

[lucid junco]

Unless devs confirm that this location exist, like with valley station, it isn't a real thing

[proud cobalt]

Looking into this now, as i first thought it does show in the contents of the other items, e.g. The diamond can spawn in the pouch and the pouch can spawn in the duffel bag Base.Bag_MoneyBag (duffel bags are not updated to B42 yet).
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox

The loot tables don't account for the bag contents. @digital helm has already made a contents specific parser so it shouldn't be too hard to implement into distributions for specific items, it's just working backwards. On my todo now

[proud cobalt]

I will ask but for now there is no evidence it is a town i agree

[proud cobalt]

Pat confirmed it is not a town

[lucid junco]

Then get the bro out of the kitchen

[naive imp]

Ok. I'll put a trivia on that army Surplus later tonight to clarify that it's not a town. Should make it more clear to people. It is kinda easy to assume

[serene sage]

it’s the darn Jamieton, the infamous conman

[flint vapor]

LMAO

<@&671452400221159444>

No way we got a new scam type

zammmmmn

[woven portal]

thx

[wary stratus]

what if it was really drizzy drake himself tho

you're missing out

[flint vapor]

lol

[barren rune]

ummm this seems like a horrible fucking idea

[grand cliff]

Its so we can track down people who troll on the Wiki and kill them

Anyone can fact check this

[flat sun]

the world turns its eyes from the killings because they are just

[digital helm]

That's why you log in. But we don't allow editing without logging in anyway

[proud cobalt]

Standard practise for wikis

[proud cobalt]

Done btw reverted their edits and let them know on their talk page

[proud cobalt]

Good idea

[proud cobalt]

Wiki editors feedback too pls

#pz_b42_chat message

Should "Each of:" change to "All of:" instead?

[tulip kiln]

Option B imo

[digital helm]

I like each of, but might just be because I'm used to it

[serene sage]

sandbox settings

no wait I’m stupid

I think each of is fine though

[desert yacht]

Anyway I could add more poi’s to b42map.com

[lilac wigeon]

i feel like white equals empty, so A. Each of feels better than all of.

and for the one of section, I think an OR between each one to reemphasize that its an option between

random thought. Currently all the body location tags go to that specific entry on the body location table.

Would it be useful for, on that table, the body location on the header column go to a specific page for each where it has that same exclusive with / covers entry, but then also lists all items that use that location?

[lilac wigeon]

also on clothes, there is a flag for, can get holes, but I just verified that get holes doesn't mean you can fix them, and if you cant fix them, then you cant add patches for extra armor with tailoring. I feel that would be a useful column.

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak this is a modding project in fact, this is an unofficial fork of the offficial editor

Tho this entire shit is so confusing

[flat sun]

huh? no it's not

worlded is official, it's in the modding tools

[flint vapor]

No I just realized that the official tool is called WorldEd

But the page I wrote here, is not about the official tools in fact

Bcs I didn't realize the fork and the official kept the same name

So this page IS in fact a modding project

https://github.com/Unjammer/WorldEd
is a fork of the official tools
https://github.com/timbaker/pzworlded

I'm going to reformat the whole thing tho, bcs this is just hella confusing

Adding to the whole confusion, there's this shit
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TileZed

Called TileZed but the original tool is TileEd and there's no links to TileZed and only to TileEd

So is TileZed just a schizo tool or what ?

And it has always been just TileEd since forever ?

[flat sun]

tilezed is a fork of tileed, an open source level editor, for project zomboid

[flint vapor]

Yea I managed to figure out the basic of it, tho the repo for TileZed is not named TileZed and just TileEd, which is kind of sad I guess haha

Currently what I have, I'll try to go deeper

[flint vapor]

After discussing with Alree

Is there any proper way to add these kind of graphical view on the wiki ? Or do I need to make a screenshot ?

[flint vapor]

I can't move the page for some reasons

@languid kayak pinging for later, if you got an idea why that's the case

[digital helm]

Screenshot would probably be best. Any html will probably just be too confusing and messy

[flint vapor]

Yea I had found a script to get Obsidian canvas like this into an html code, but that wouldn't work, and the code was massive anyway so didn't sound like a good idea to use it

I'm gonna use a screenshot

[digital helm]

I see you copied the content over to Unofficial Mapping Tools, what were you wanting to do with WorldEd? Delete? Redirect?

[flint vapor]

Going to change the page to be about the official tools

I'm on it

Currently uploading the official worlded icon

Done

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/WorldEd
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Unofficial_Mapping_Tools

Wait ...

It's using the wrong icon hmm

Ah yea cache

It's good now

ups wrong section

[digital helm]

I considered this. Same with the body parts. Originally there was a column with all the items, but it made the table absurdly huge with little to no benefit.
This was a quick way to get all the info there, since what you're proposing would be a lot more work to update than a single table. Something to consider though.

[digital helm]

Iirc the has holes flag has nothing to do with tailoring, and is only related to durability (also used in the calculation for the condition column in the armour table).
I'd have to look into it, but doesn't the fabric type determine whether something is repairable with tailoring? If so, that could be clarified in the lengend

[proud cobalt]

Also body location/parts is still expecting some work in the future

[lilac wigeon]

as in, only things that could be ripped up for fabric are capable of being repaired? might be, I'm not sure. but I'm fairly certain that there are some things that can't be repaired but can have patches tailored to them. I'm not positive though

[lilac wigeon]

i have found one item, sheepskin vest, that can be ripped up but not repaired or patched

[lucid junco]

I think its fully on @proud cobalt

[digital helm]

Yeah, pretty sure you're right. I know one of the metal neck guards was like that (probably patched now)
I'm also basing that assumption on the fact that you only fully repair a hole if using the same material (at a certain tailoring level, maybe 8)

[lucid junco]

Write here or in his dms about the location

[proud cobalt]

I just added some check they arent added already or let me know

[languid kayak]

hm, and I guess we don't have plans for covering the official one the same way TileZed and so on are?

[flint vapor]

I did

I made pages for WorldEd and TileZed

And I'll probably make a page for BuildingEd too which I didn't have time yesterday to do

[languid kayak]

it's called internally/informally TileZed but since it's a fork, original name hwas not changed

[flint vapor]

Yea tho the name is LITTERALLY never even used anywhere

Not even in the software itself

Which is weird as shit

[languid kayak]

What page you wanted to move and where to? I'll take a look, but also I think @restive adder might know since it seems to be some kind of weird error (didn't you have it already as well?)

[flint vapor]

Already did it

I just copy pasta the content in a new page instead

Then edited WorldEd to fit the official tool

But yea idk why I couldn't move it, I tried many different names

Didn't change anything

[proud cobalt]

B42map updadted to 42.8.1

It includes the B42 foraging zones

[proud cobalt]

Thoughts on moving loot tables out of toggle boxes? Here's two possible approaches
(Garbage filler data)
Original:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3#Obtaining

Option 1 (new subheaders, collapsible tables not implemented yet):
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox#Obtaining

Option 2 (same div style, not in a toggle box, starts collapsed)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2#Obtaining

[languid kayak]

I like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox#Obtaining the most I'd say

why is style="width:95%;" needed though btw?

[proud cobalt]

It's just a leftover from the template

Would be removed

[jagged perch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flax_(Dried)
Workstation for the crafting of Flax Rippled should be Ripple Comb.

[digital helm]

I am all for it

[proud cobalt]

Fixed, also added scutching and heckling

[digital helm]

Btw, I suggest using caption for the show/hide button. The current table header is too wide for some mobiles, it's hidden altogether. Also, I think it's a bit cleaner. Like the vehicle legend here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Franklin_Valuline#Variants

[proud cobalt]

Di you have a preference in options?

[proud cobalt]

I was looking at this, i think i prefer using a colspan row, it feels more intuitive that it's a table 🤔

I think it makes sense for a legend though

I think you were doing it with contents too?

[digital helm]

Yeah, I've been doing it with everything

The red bar just feels too messy to me

And as I said, on mobile I wouldn't know you can even expand it because the min-width is too high. So you have to scroll horizonal to see it

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that's a concern

Option 2 on mobile

[digital helm]

Preference is option 2.

But my actual preference would be a mix. Using caption, have the tables sit vertically on top of each other, then they'd look like headings, without the extra space for Main

[digital helm]

That's better than recipes and history, but still messy to me. I don't think the blue text on red background helps

[proud cobalt]

Might look at a mixed option tomorrow, also can remove links

[proud cobalt]

Also thoughts on moving embeded and outfit to a Zombies subheader like foraging and loot? @languid kayak too

[digital helm]

I think that'd be good. Used to have a zombies subheader for location

[digital helm]

Example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rosewoodworking_Franklin_Valuline#Parts
I think the minecraft wiki or something does this too

[languid kayak]

sure

they seem linked enough

[proud cobalt]

I'll have a play around tomorrow and post it

[dry robin]

Was everything still smooth to handle when updating?

[proud cobalt]

Yes other than my own mistake 😄

[unkempt ether]

who just pinged me

[lean kayak]

Why cant i see zombie population on b42map anymore

Is it gonna come back when the heatmap is finished?

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak move tool still broken for me, so I'm basically fucked forever with my mistakes

Any way that you could move https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Zombroid to Zomdroid please ?

I made a typo in the name ...

[digital helm]

I've moved it. I'll report it to Kirrus

[flint vapor]

Thank you !

[flint vapor]

Anyway to change which image shows as the thumbnail in the infobox ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/LuaDocs

Bcs I even added thumb to the image I wanted to show as the preview and yet the wiki fails to use it everytime and always uses the next images

Instead of using the main one

[digital helm]

1 is the thumbnail/gallery image, and p1 is the main/preview image. So if you want the text as the gallery, make that 1 and the screenshot as p1. thumb won't do anything here.

[flint vapor]

But that's literally what it is

It's showing 2 as the preview

Which is why I'm very confused

[digital helm]

You're using the same image for 1 and p1

[flint vapor]

That's the second time I've had this issue in fact

[digital helm]

If you want the text to be a separate image, as in display 2 vertically, you'll need to wrap it in a new /image template

[flint vapor]

What ?

What am I supposed to use exactly because that whole 1 2 3 and p1 p2 p3 is just confusing on which does what or why one p2 even exists

[digital helm]

I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

[flint vapor]

Showing the preview as the embed preview

[flint vapor]

Yea that sandbox is wrong. My issue is with the embed, not on the website itself

[digital helm]

1 2 3 is the gallery, as in the small icons so you can toggle between the images. p1 p2 p3 is the larger main image, which you toggle to

[flint vapor]

The current presentation is good

Yea so I need p1 p2 and p3 ?

[digital helm]

Ah, use class=notpageimage

[flint vapor]

yea I do need it

In the image entry ?

[digital helm]

Yeah

[flint vapor]

[[File:LuaDocs - showcase.png|class=notpageimage]] ?

[digital helm]

Yep

[flint vapor]

👌

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/LuaDocs

The cache probably

Nvm ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/LuaDocs

[digital helm]

Here's more info on it https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages#How_it_works

[flint vapor]

Now there's nothing like wtf 😭

[digital helm]

Image might be too small

Have a look at the criteria in that link

[flint vapor]

Eh I'd be surprised

Images smaller than 100 pixels are disregarded

It's way enough

That image is 900x100

944x144

To be exact

0.4 to 3.1 ratio perhaps

well shit

[digital helm]

My thinking too

[flint vapor]

Fuck me for trying to add a nice preview to the page

[digital helm]

You can force it in MediaWiki 1.44 and we just upgraded to 1.43 😆 so maybe next year

[flint vapor]

yea I go mimimimi

[proud cobalt]

The zombie heat map is not accurate and has not been accurate since B41, it was removed in the latest update

[proud cobalt]

Option 3: A mix of previous ideas with collapsed headers. @digital helm @languid kayak @others 😄

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3#Obtaining

I'd be happy with this, only not sure how i'd go about automating it, bot flags are a possbility but i'd really prefer to get the tables themselves out of the articles, they bloat the page.
OTOH we could do something like we do with recipes, having lua data tables, but that adds complexity to editing and obscures where the data is. 🤔 Trade offs on both sides

[digital helm]

I like it the most. At least on mobile.

[proud cobalt]

PC view

I guess thoughts on moving recipes to the same table type?

@languid kayak too ^

That include be these too

[digital helm]

Lua data tables would be best imo. It's not something you really need to see where it's coming from. I'm not sure they'd be something anyone would attempt to update manually. Especially if it's automatically updated regularly

[digital helm]

That would be good

[proud cobalt]

Hmm, i dont love the white, it doesnt seem seperated
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3#Usage

I also added some flavour text to each subheader, it was even worse before that

We could do what you do with contents and decide if it starts shown or not based on the lenght of the table? (This might be best only in the obtaining section)

[digital helm]

That'd be good

[digital helm]

Better than thinking that the table is just empty

[proud cobalt]

I agree, but trying to think of a way to differentiate it from regular text 🤔

Seperator lines is what i think i am wanting, but not sure if we can activate it natively on citizen?

🤔 I'm not sold on my own idea

This is for 2 and 3 headers

I think it works better on light mode

[languid kayak]

yup, looks good to me

[digital helm]

I don't think it's that bad. May just take some getting used to. Could underline it too. We don't do that anywhere

[languid kayak]

a little unrelated, but there's a small inconsistency when showing an unit amount for one item doesn'r show how much of an item it is, I think it'd be interesting info

also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3 is the most recent version, right? What are we focusing at at the moment?

I like the mix of headers and tables that are unifinely hidden

Also unrelated is that the "Condition" table could be hidden by default too I believe? I think @digital helm was working on it back then?

[digital helm]

That tables pretty small. Are you sure it's needed? The problem is that these crafting tables can be several pages in height

This one I assume you're talking about

[digital helm]

You mean that the top one doesn't show the fraction of full items? That could be helpful, without needing to hover @proud cobalt

[digital helm]

Separator lines for headings is one thing I miss with the citizen skin. Easier to differentiate between the heading levels. We can add it to all h2 if we want

[proud cobalt]

This was intentional because it didn't use more than 1, but i can see the use in it

[proud cobalt]

Yeah this is option 3 which is the main candidate, i kept the pages seperate

[proud cobalt]

All h2 i'm definitely for, I think we should consider h3. Would it be possible at all to make them different? No other wiki i could find does seperators for h3 so maybe it's just me

[proud cobalt]

I see the use, will add

[digital helm]

h1 and h2 is mediawiki default

[proud cobalt]

Would this be too much? The whole article would be these show tables, i do like having some nice tables like this showing. I would even like having some others showing

[languid kayak]

I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jamieton_Army_Surplus with the {{About}} and redirected Jamieton to it – you think it's worth adding trivia to it as well? Also not sure if it should be bumped to b42 already?

Case similar to "Tanglewood", though we have a disambig for it since it's three entires (though about instead or in addiction to could help as well I guess?) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tanglewood_(disambiguation)

[dry robin]

.. what did you do now xD

[languid kayak]

I actually like tables too, I think I voted for one of the example with the uncollapsed tables by default? Though I think it currently standing out a little 🤔. Unless Vail has a plans to rework it, I remember it was in the works…

[proud cobalt]

Set up a second working directory so the site could stay up while i rendered a new map then started the render without changing the output directory so it immediatly overwrote the live site

[digital helm]

h3 underline doesn't play nicely with elements floating right.
Top is h2, bottom is h3. h3 underline goes to the edge of the page (under the infobox) h2 ends at the infobox

[proud cobalt]

Forget H3 than

H2 is nice

[dry robin]

Oh dear xD
It's a learning experience though!

[proud cobalt]

It is standing out a little. I think if we have some distribution that start open if not too long it could work nicely. Only collapse anything that's huge. Or super wide like the recipes. I'd still like something to seperate the recipe from the loot, whether it be simple like underlining as @digital helm mentioned

[proud cobalt]

Oops

[digital helm]

I'd worry the about just makes people think it's also known as Jamieton, when it's not. I'd only add it to trivia, personally.

[digital helm]

the underline is using the font color of the heading text, is that good, or should it use the standard font colour instead? Since it's slightly fainter

[proud cobalt]

Pat said it was not a town at all, didn't comment on it beyond that, so i don't think it's even a tanglewood or Ekron situation. Maybe a trivia stating such will be sufficient?

[proud cobalt]

Slightly fainter is better i think, so long as it works for light/dark mode

Oh Vail said the same, i'd remove about, add trivia, and keep the redirect

[digital helm]

How's this? Expanded, underline uses the body text colour, collapsed, it uses the heading colour

[proud cobalt]

Looks good to me

[digital helm]

I've added it

[proud cobalt]

I know i just said it looks good, But can we use this colour 😄

[digital helm]

I think I'd like that better too. Still a bit too much contrast

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[digital helm]

Do you know the element or class? Trying to find the variable used, so I'm not relying on hex codes

[proud cobalt]

class="mw-rcfilters-ui-changesListWrapperWidget-previousChangesIndicator"

[digital helm]

thanks. Just found it. Was waiting for your sandbox edit 😆

[proud cobalt]

Convenient timing

[digital helm]

I've made it 2 pixels to match it instead of 1

[proud cobalt]

Did you save this?

[digital helm]

I have now. Thought I did

[proud cobalt]

Ahh i figured, showing now

[proud cobalt]

Ok this is the latest candidate, i'm satisfied with this. We have header separators, and updated table headers for recipes and obtaining. Just need final thoughts and i'll look at implementation

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

Welp

You guys were too quick

ups

[flint vapor]

Wait, there's not a page about basements ?

Interesting

Hey do we not have a wiki page regarding this ? I can make one as Modding project if needed ?

It's not exactly modding but I think that's okay

Same for https://map.projectzomboid.com/

[flat sun]

embed fail

[flint vapor]

wdym ?

[flat sun]

there was a scam link dw

[flint vapor]

Oooh ok

[digital helm]

We have this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Map_Project the b42 map was only temporary until the other one is updated

[flint vapor]

The other one is an official one ?

Yea I just read the wiki page

Well if it's documented somewhere that's good to know

Updated a bit the page too

Note to warn type, users need to notice it

And removed the january date for the update since that's outdated of almost half a year now

[proud cobalt]

Go for it, maybe do one for pzmap2dzi too

[flint vapor]

What's that ?

[proud cobalt]

It's on the bottom of my to do

[flint vapor]

Makes sense

[proud cobalt]

https://github.com/cff29546/pzmap2dzi

[flint vapor]

I see

I'll document that for sure

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pzmap2dzi

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/B42_Map

Changed the link in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Map_Project to link to that wiki page

[proud cobalt]

I added a little info to both 😄

[digital helm]

As official as the wiki 😄 it's hosted by TIS, but blindcoder managers it, and some of us here are moderators for the POIs

[flint vapor]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I still can't move

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/OnCreate

Tagged it

[digital helm]

I've moved it and left the redirect https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=OnCreate&redirect=no

Kirrus is looking into the issue

[flint vapor]

Thx

[split atlas]

@languid kayak hey, idk what the proper way to do this is, but yesterday i discovered you can research intact fishing nets to learn the "make fishing net" recipe, and broken fishing nets to learn the "get wire back" recipe, so it might be worth listing that here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fishing_Net#Crafting

i'm not sure what the level req is since i took inventive (sorry)

but the mags aren't the only way to learn em anymore

you were the last listed editor on the page so i figured you'd be the one to ping

thx for the hard work btw u guys have kept me alive many many times over 🫡

[digital helm]

Hey, thanks. It's something that I think is in the new b42 crafting tables, pinging @proud cobalt for that. I think it's also being added to the infoboxes automatically, which I'll have to double-check

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-jack-black-this-is-a-crafting-table-minecraft-crafting-table-gif-9567415963339493680

[languid kayak]

as in remove redirect, about, or both?

[languid kayak]

well, I looked for Jamieton on Discord, and seems some folks were referring to it as such, but not much beyong that

This too: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/51233-which-village-is-the-one-to-the-left-of-ekron/#findComment-351549

[languid kayak]

ah, I see. I'll change it, but not today, so anyone feel free to do that before me if you want 🙂

[languid kayak]

What are the ● Crafting recipes, ● Researchable recipes and ● Building recipes names needed for? I think they are a bit redundant? Also any reason for the ● sign to be there?

I'd also call it simply "Embedded" instead of "Embedded items" in zombies I guess?

though I get why the names are needed now kinda

The formatting for random stories like Story:Trailer Park Ambush should probably be Trailer Park Ambush too?

Also I see the links to containers are gone now, we have them set up mostly (along with the redirects)

Also we have three different ways of collapsing tables

1. [Show]
2. [Expand]
3. Show/Hide (IMO the best looking one currently, it's also the only one that's using animations atm)

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Basement there's only one link to it now, I think there were more, but I removed them thinking we may not need a separate page for basements (I think it was shortly before or after b41) , but we might actually have one if anyone wants to write it, though keep in mind the basements will probably be classified as random stories (I think @serene sage mentioned it somewhere on the wiki)

[languid kayak]

Eventually it will be merged with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Map_Project and this page is lackluster already anyway

[flint vapor]

Yea makes sense. I was mostly asking because I had the possibility to link to a potential page and thought one would exist

[flint vapor]

Merge what ?

[serene sage]

think I incorporated into Project Lore so I could work on it in the future

but if anyone gets to it first they can work on it

[languid kayak]

oh, Vail explain it beleow me 😄 I mean the work on b42map will be merged with what we have on map.projectzomboid.com eventually, just no ETA on that

[flint vapor]

Oh yea

Not really merged

Just they will update the official one

That's completely different

[languid kayak]

nah, the official one will move to that eventually

as in it will be using parts of it

[flint vapor]

What ?

I mean at this point why do they just not officialise your tool ?

[languid kayak]

almost everything in PZ is semi-official 😄 Even most of the games are modders hirees. Anyway, like Vail said https://map.projectzomboid.com/ is as official as wiki, as is TIS-hosted, and the fork/new version of te map by Champ will eventually be integrated with all these sweet new functionality into it too 🙂

[flint vapor]

But are you basing this information on direct coms with TIS ?

Directly stating that your current version of the map will become the official one ?

[flint vapor]

Needs moving
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TimedAction

[proud cobalt]

It's not a researchrecipe or a teachedrecipe 🤔

    {
        DisplayName = Fishing Net Trap,
        DisplayCategory = Fishing,
        Type = Normal,
        Weight = 1,
        Icon = FishTrap,
        SurvivalGear = TRUE,
        WorldStaticModel = FishingNet,
        Tags = FishingNet,
    }```
```    item BrokenFishingNet
    {
        DisplayName = Fishing Net Trap (Broken),
        DisplayCategory = Fishing,
        Type = Normal,
        Weight = 1,
        Icon = FishTrapBroken,
        WorldStaticModel = BrokenFishingNet,
    }```
Could be a mod, ill add it to my todo

[proud cobalt]

They can be changed to any header, i dont think we should have none. The ● is for visual separation, it becomes a blob of white text otherwise, same with having the show hide on the left is for separation.
All the data is garbage none of it is real, ignore anything actually in the tables.
I will change history table to show, the show changes to hide when clicked

[proud cobalt]

Where ddo you need it moved to

[flint vapor]

It's written in the page

timedAction (craftRecipe)

I used a title template

[proud cobalt]

From comms i've had an updated version of B42 map will be hosted alongside the official B41 map, both will be official and exist at the same time

[flint vapor]

👌

[proud cobalt]

Do you want a redirect?

[flint vapor]

Nah

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TimedAction_(craftRecipe)

[flint vapor]

Better to not keep it to not be missleading

Thank you

There's literally 3 timedAction pages at this point, and that's not even my fault, that's because of the base game

[proud cobalt]

Oh i know that feeling

I've been working on recipes for 6 months now 😆

[flint vapor]

timedAction parameter for craftRecipe
timedAction script block
Timed Actions for Lua defined actions
ISBaseTimedAction a Lua object for timed actions
ISTimedActionQueue or some shit like that

I love the millions of timed actions.
I love the millions of timed actions.
I love the millions of timed actions.

Praise the timed actions

I must become a timed action

Dear god transform me into a timed action

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-2008joker-gif-27536830

[flint vapor]

Thank you TIS for blessing us with timed actions

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-20889818

[flat sun]

to be fair that's only two different things

but yeah, it really quite bothers me that they're using the same name for two different things 😓

i was worried it would make things too confusing but nobody seems to ever talk about the scripts so oh well

[flint vapor]

Wait until they use the timedAction script block elsewhere

[digital helm]

1 was used because its clearer than (expand/collapse)
2 is default
3 is just plain text and doesn't use the normal expand/collapse functionality

[proud cobalt]

BrokenFishingNet cannot be researched, but somehow FishingNet can be

I dont understand how

[digital helm]

I guess there's some sense to it. You can't really learn to make a fishing net when all you've got is a broken one. And learning to make a broken one isn't very useful

[languid kayak]

It's from blindcoder (maintainer of the official map), though I believe it was nothing said officially, so no ETA on that

[languid kayak]

I remember we had the discussion about Show/Hide, though still wouldn't it be better to at least not have three variants for basically the same thing?

[flint vapor]

I'm going to move this part in the Skill page
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe#Available_skills

To have the different skills ID in the Skill page

What do you guys think ?

OR

In the pages of the different skills

In their infobox

[vocal plover]

I would like to help translate the wiki to german, how do I start?

[flint vapor]

Create an account

Then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Translations

[vocal plover]

been there, done that, got the t-shirt 😄 Nah made an account just now.

[languid kayak]

take a look at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Translations too though it's not actively mentioned. Also thanks for the help 🙂

I think German might miss need some new Citizen translations, too

Yup, it's not there. If you would like to help with that, you can translte this bit, and I'll add it

PZwiki is the official wiki dedicated to sharing information about {{ll|Project Zomboid}}. It covers all content relating to its gameplay, lore, and development. This is an official site of {{ll|The Indie Stone}}, and is maintained by volunteers.<br>Want to contribute? Start on the {{ll|PZwiki:Community portal|community portal}}. For copyright information, please see {{ll|PZwiki:Copyrights|copyrights}}.

[vocal plover]

Will do, not now, but I´ll save it for later, tnx.

[languid kayak]

you can see the other translations in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc&action=edit (you can't edit it as non-admin, but you should see the code)

[vocal plover]

PZwiki ist das offizielle Wiki zum Austausch von Informationen zu {{ll|Project Zomboid}}. Es deckt alle Inhalte zu Gameplay, Hintergrundgeschichte und Entwicklung ab. Dies ist die offizielle Seite von {{ll|The Indie Stone}} und wird von Freiwilligen gepflegt.<br>Möchten Sie mitwirken? Starten Sie im {{ll|PZwiki:Community-Portal|Community-Portal}}. Informationen zum Urheberrecht finden Sie unter {{ll|PZwiki:Copyrights|Copyrights}}.

her u go 🙂

here u go...

I would change the first sentence to:

PZwiki ist das offizielle Wiki die zum Austausch von Informationen zu {{ll|Project Zomboid}} gewidmet ist.

the rest sounds right

[languid kayak]

Thanks! Should be live now, you can see it on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/?uselang=de at the very bottom of the page

[proud cobalt]

Yeah... but its not in the item script like every other research recipe, i have no idea how it's there

[proud cobalt]

Full items now show for all unit bars

[proud cobalt]

Migrating crafting tables to the new format with Show Hide. I've removed the dot between the show and the header, the default header will be Recipe table while the template call doesn't define a header. This is the default header an can be changed or removed on the module level with 1 edit if we decide to do so.

I did it this way to mock saying Show recipe table without being broken up by a dot, though recipe is capitalized because technically it's not a sentence. Happy to change that too.

At this time loot will not be changed over, that's going to require a lot more back end work in the parser and implementation with the bot

@languid kayak @digital helm to make you aware ^

Aditionally, calling the template requires it to be directly under any text, rather than seperated by a new line. If anything just a little less pretty in the text editor. Alternative is a really big gap above the table

[languid kayak]

neat! And yeah, I suppose capitalization makes sense here? Show is one element and "Recipe table" is a kind of a header I guess? Waiting for @digital helm' feedback too (or others I guess)

[languid kayak]

btw, is this live on some sandbox, or just a preview/screenshot?

[proud cobalt]

Yes but also live on wiki now
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3

[languid kayak]

I had "Expand" visible briefly, is it because of how Javascript loads?

[proud cobalt]

Yes same issue as all other collapsible elements

[past glacier]

for the project build 42 project, is this already done
Explosives item pages need to be split, like the Aerosol Bomb variants (with splitting the sensor upgrades)

kinda looks like it to me but i wanted to check 😄

[lucid junco]

Huh

Relatively light update in terms of new things and balance changes

[serene sage]

they’re letting people make home vhses non-unique

that’s crazy

[serene sage]

yeah but new dynamically generated heat map

now I will reroll seeds until one makes the checkpoint completely empty

[digital helm]

I think @languid kayak did fairly recently

[flint vapor]

If anyone can move the page like indicated on it, thank you !
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModData

[digital helm]

@serene sage @lucid junco do you have any issues moving pages?

[digital helm]

I'll move it for you now

[serene sage]

I'll try

wait no

[serene sage]

did it work?

[digital helm]

I think I beat ya

You should get an error like sir doggy did if you do

[serene sage]

good thing I didn't then

[digital helm]

Didn't expect you to be so quick

[serene sage]

I wait in the shadows just happened to take a quick look at the channel just as things were happening

[flint vapor]

Thx

[spiral locust]

Is the wiki auppose to have so little code data? Their is no rate of boredom, tiredness, hunger, thirst, and panic.

[proud cobalt]

Gonna need more context than that

[spiral locust]

Let's take panic each zombie who is engaged with you generates an amount of panic. The wiki doesn't say how much neither does it have a table to show panic decay with days survived next to it or how much panic one gets from a zombie scare from behind you or when they unexpectacly break through a door.

[proud cobalt]

Oh OK, that would go on the panic page. Nobody has gotten to doing that if you'd like to
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Panic

I believe specifics are in the Java files

[spiral locust]

So no one has gotten to it in that case i might need to.

[proud cobalt]

Would be great if you could add those to the relevant pages

[flint vapor]

You can, but there tends to be a looooot of different factors that come in

[languid kayak]

feels like an ages ago, but yeah, it's done 🎉

Vehicle page parts are split too, not sure if it was noted. They only need the infobox changed as I think you didn't do it @digital helm ?

[past glacier]

Sounds good!

[languid kayak]

Still something to start definitely, thanks in advance @spiral locust if you decide to go anything, I (or someone else ) will eventually go through all the edits too, so if something's off writing-wise, it will be ironed out eventually 🙂

[flint vapor]

Yea

[quartz bear]

I wonder if I'm forgetting anything

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModData

Page needs deleting

[digital helm]

A lot of pages link to it. Any harm in it staying as a redirect?

[flint vapor]

Which pages ?

I think it should be fine

[digital helm]

Might just be the navbox https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/ModData&

[flint vapor]

Ah yea sounds like it

[solid wind]

just a little information for wheat, since I don't remember if it's 42.7 or 42.8, wheat growing time seems to reduce from 240 days to 210 days (time can be even shorter as it was grew for a long time before the patch came in)

[serene sage]

<@&671452400221159444>

nice try though

[proud cobalt]

Two at once, that'll get em

[serene sage]

damn these are the real zomboids we have to deal with

hacked accounts promoting silly scams

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Coalfield

Finished

[lucid junco]

Can you tell me where to check for moodles parameters

this verify tag makes me uncomfortable

and I cannot confirm it in debug

but just to be sure

[quartz bear]

Every minutes in which time units

In game time?

Real time?

Real time projected onto in game time?

[lucid junco]

Just give me some number per second

[quartz bear]

is b42 still a beta

[lucid junco]

And foraging stuff

[lucid junco]

Yeo

Mad Dan typing

[proud cobalt]

I dont think moodle params are just in one kind of file, they are likely across lot's of java files

You'd want to look for MoodleType.Stress accross the decompiled files

Afaik, not a java dev

            if (this.moodleType == MoodleType.Stress) {
                if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.9F) {
                    int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.MaxMoodleLevel.ordinal();
                } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.75F) {
                    int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.HighMoodleLevel.ordinal();
                } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.5F) {
                    int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.ModerateMoodleLevel.ordinal();
                } else if (this.isoGameCharacter.getStats().getStress() > 0.25F) {
                    int0 = Moodle.MoodleLevel.LowMoodleLevel.ordinal();
                }
            }```

That's when they activate

[quartz bear]

I don't actually see any unhappiness mod

maybe it happens in lua

uhh yeah that does happen actually

UnhappinessIncrease is somewhere in Lua

or maybe it's configured in sandbox settings

but the lookup is done from lua so

I can't vouch for the specific time frames though (7 minutes, 4.5 minutes, 3.5 minutes)

especially that jump from 4.5 to 3.5 doesn't really look linear but I'm also not the one to judge

this is the level-to-moodle map for unhappiness

who coded this

oh right

I cannot find anything related to foraging

ok I can't vouch for the foraging part

I can't find it

it's probably there but hidden deep in the ass of lua or java

separating the game into lua and java was pretty much the biggest mistake ever

[proud cobalt]

42.9.0 updater running overnight

First full run of the new updater 🤞
It should do items, fluids, tiles, and tags

<@&671452400221159444>

We might gotta ban embeds for a lil

[wary stratus]

Nah this happens, we can tweak our auto mod a bit tho

[proud cobalt]

Damn scammers

[lucid junco]

Just ban any plungers that send links here

[lucid junco]

problem solved

[tulip kiln]

Lmao <@&671452400221159444> scam

[wary stratus]

thanks

[frail fossil]

THIs game makes me wanna say things i cant cuz i dont understand how it works cuz i have no one to plsyu with long term

[proud cobalt]

Wrong channel and keep it respectful

[frail fossil]

i am

[lucid junco]

Sounds to me like a skill issue

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Might need some wording fixes, but overall it's finished

[naive imp]

I shall investigate as soon as possible

I swear every time I think I have time OP something happens

Gonna edi- HEY MY CAR NEEDS AN OIL CHANGE

Final- THE CAT NEEDS TK GO TO THE VET

Got some tim- MF JURY DUTY

REEEEEEEEEEEE

[languid kayak]

same 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_verification was my next target back then (just didn't had time for wiki work this month or so, sorry guys)

[languid kayak]

that moment when one dev accidentially opens some random Discordf channel by accident and accidentally presses space 😄

[languid kayak]

you'll get used to it 🙃 (||sadly||)

[flint vapor]

Wait what is it ?

Ah yea I see

[flint vapor]

Should I have put 's in the title ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Paddlefruit's_rig

Feel like I should have named it "Paddlefruit rig" instead

[warped compass]

Hey guys what should the setting be to keep zombies from respawning? Is it 0?

[proud cobalt]

Yes

[warped compass]

And if I see zombies spawning uh. What else would I edit?

[proud cobalt]

Peak day probably, should ask in #pz_b42_chat

This channel is for wiki editing

[warped compass]

Gotcha. Sorry

[digital helm]

Doesn't really matter, but without it may have been better(?)

[flint vapor]

Yea I added a move to the page

[digital helm]

Moved now, with no redirect

[flint vapor]

Thx

I'll fix the old links when I get up from bed lol

[spiral locust]

Is the world timeline page still accurate is that still their vision for the conplete game?

[digital helm]

As in this page? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Upcoming_versions From what's public, it should be
This page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Planned_features, maybe not all of it, since some of it is incredibly old, such as amputation

[spiral locust]

are they no longer planning to add amputation?

[digital helm]

No news, it's just that they said they 'wanted' to back in 2011. So not really reliable anymore

[languid kayak]

Although it may still come at what point I suppose, we'll just see. There are mods that add it though in the meantime (not sure if they are b42 compatible; I guess?) @spiral locust

[proud cobalt]

Didn't realize how bad this page had gotten...
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafting

[proud cobalt]

Working on a redesign for it in my user space

Also added a |collapsed=false param for crafting tables to start them expanded

Havn't done any rewriting yet, but this would be the main page, then nav to the recipe lists themselves. Recipe lists are generated based on game categories which is how they sort in the menu
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/Crafting

New pages for building too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/Building

[digital helm]

I like it. Same idea I was thinking for the item page. Listing them all on one page isn't very helpful imo

[proud cobalt]

I have done a little writing now

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the page should be about crafting itself, rather than a list, we can keep the lists seperate. I think having them based on categories in game is logical

(Even if their categories sometimes aren't)

[proud cobalt]

Item nav needs to be redone too along with a rework

[digital helm]

I completely agree. Largely why I haven't done any new item lists in a while

Open to ideas. Do we stick with display category and call it a day? Or something more function-based?

[proud cobalt]

Display categories has to be too many right?

[digital helm]

75 categories, so probably not 😄

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that's the issue, items is much harder to sort

[proud cobalt]

What else shoud this article contain?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/Crafting

[languid kayak]

was never good, see old version on Polish one for example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafting/pl

These always got little attention due to complexity I guess

[languid kayak]

I noticed you link to category but there's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_magazine page

[languid kayak]

Yeah, the pages are too long to be convenient I guess. If we end up having tables, let it be separate pages people can bookmark/have open on second screen

[languid kayak]

didn't you group some though? Like plushies? Though it's more convoluted now that plastic animals are the same categories as plushies too :/

[languid kayak]

Maybe history section? Seeing I place the gallery images there, though it'd wouldn't be automated

I noticed Terraria and Minecraft wiki do list recipes there… but maybe some ideas from their overview will come to mind?
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Crafting
https://terraria.wiki.gg/wiki/Recipes

or https://we-happy-few.fandom.com/wiki/Crafting (looks like they don't have lists as well, though their wiki isn't ideal)

[digital helm]

On that point, it may also be better to link to the schematics table rather than a disambig page @proud cobalt https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Literature#Schematics

[languid kayak]

Maybe we could make a dedicated Schematics page?

[digital helm]

could, but do we need to? It'd just be that one table wouldn't it?

[languid kayak]

kinda the same as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_magazine and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Skill_book

[digital helm]

Yeah, recipe magazine is a bit pointless now, since it's no longer unique. Skill book at least has unique functionality

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[woven portal]

thx

[flint vapor]

Why can't we link categories in between [[ ]] ?

Found my answer

[proud cobalt]

Just in case, preface it with : [[:Category:Items]]

[flint vapor]

Yea

[proud cobalt]

We can't list them anymore, it's too much

Ok i made the fixes to crafting, i will begin to migrate

I dont have the means to add history atm

[proud cobalt]

I've moved building out of my sandbox and left a wip on the main page

[languid kayak]

no worries, just a thought, maybe I'll think about it later™️

[serene sage]

<@&671452400221159444>

[woven portal]

thx

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak wondering if you know if we have the old icon on the wiki? And also @digital helm if you guys remember any forums posts referencing it.
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Penn_S._Ham_Construction_Franklin_Valuline&diff=prev&oldid=1034359

Only 1535 autogen items left

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ham_Slice#Gallery
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:HamSlices-old.png
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/24467-the-return-of-the-penisham/

[languid kayak]

old icon of the wiki or the ham? Everything I have anyway should be already uploaded I think we linked the forum posts referenfing the wiki too? I remember editing what you wrote on the pzwiki history page

and yeah what Vail linked 😄

[serene sage]

the "brochure" or map thingy in the gallery section of Pondview Shopping Center doesn't match: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pondview_Shopping_Center#Gallery

the map is literally of a place in Louisville

pretty sure it's safe to just remove it but maybe there's a connection between the two I'm missing

[lilac wigeon]

they put the wrong flier in

that's the flyer for cardinal, different center

[serene sage]

yeah seems like a leftover from when they duplicated the page for Cardinal Plaza

removed

[proud cobalt]

Thank you, should get to that tonight

[lucid junco]

Whoever they are, Id be ashamed for making such a glaring error

[serene sage]

the trivia section alluded to in the Usage section doesn't exist: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hoodie

[languid kayak]

I am slowly catching with the recent changes and usual pattern is that people first translate the articles that are first linked on the main page, that is pages like these https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Texaliuz

You started rewriting zombie page @serene sage https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/zombie and in the past I at least cleaned up stuff like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Multiplayer_FAQ

Not sure if anyone planned on rewriting https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Indie_Stone or is it just some long task?

Anyway, the point being these should probably be keep in mind as pages that are being translated often if we do make edits to keep them up to date at any point, maybe I'll get to them eventually again, but no promises on that 😛

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor you suggested moving https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animation_guide to "How to create custom animations" but I actually thought of a different naming scheme, do you think it's a good idea? I'll keep the redirects in case they are linked:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Animation_guide → Creating custom animations
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_custom_voices → Creating custom voices
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_clothing_mod → Making a clothing mod (or "Creating a clothing mod"?) (the page seems to be neglected WIP kinda, is it still planned to being worked on?)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_flier_mod → Making a flier mod (or "Creating a flier mod")
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_hair_mod → Making a hair mod (or "Creating a hair mod")
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_upload_a_mod → Uploading a mod (similar to how https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Installing_mods , https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Using_mods or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Testing_mods_in_multiplayer though no idea how useful these pages are, these are still on 41.78.16)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_problems_solution → Resolving mod problems (it seems to be part of the three guides above)

It'd keep the names shorter (and easier to link to, both by typing and natural language flow) and skip the repeated "How to".

Other two pages are already following this naming convention:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Creating_dynamic_radio_channels
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Decompiling_game_code

[languid kayak]

Also, do we need both of these as separate pages? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Unofficial_JavaDocs_(Build_41) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Unofficial_JavaDocs_(Build_42) – oldid can be hacked by adding though if not ideal, wouldn't section suffice instead?

[flint vapor]

Yes, these are two completely different projects and persons working on them

[flint vapor]

Regarding the name changes I agree overall. Give me some to go through all the different names more in detail and I'll make a list of the new names needed (or try to move them myself if thebissue was finally fixed)

[languid kayak]

kinda make sense then, I guess disambig on theam mainpage then? And on JavaDoc(s)?

[languid kayak]

feel free to improve/add new to what I wrote then, and let me know so I can move them!

[flint vapor]

Not sire what you mean

[flint vapor]

I'll try to do that later today but this week I' very occupied and rarely have the time to work on the wiki

[languid kayak]

on mobile, but I think there's no disambiguation for the pages with no parantheses?

[languid kayak]

maybe I'll move them then and we'll iron them out latet. I'm also very spotty with time on wiki recrntly 😛

[flint vapor]

Sure

[digital helm]

I've added the about template to them, and a disambig page. Feel free to clarify further https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JavaDocs_(disambiguation) @languid kayak

[flint vapor]

Thx !

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Cigarette

Spam?

[digital helm]

Good timing, I was just in the middle of banning 😄

[proud cobalt]

Interesting thing to spam manually 🤔

[languid kayak]

I added https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Unofficial_JavaDocs&redirect=no redirecting to Build 41 so far; not sure if that's what we want currently?

[flat sun]

not that i don't have a conflict of interest here, but the wiki seems to prioritise b42 everywhere else

[flint vapor]

Yea

[digital helm]

I'd prioritise b42. Otherwise just redirect to the javadoc disambig page

[proud cobalt]

I agree, I'd also like the page version to be updated and mention on the page if it's only for B41, otherwise it sits in the B41 category

[flint vapor]

It's already like that

The B41 unofficial is B41
B42 is B42

Just the official javadocs doesn't have its own page

[languid kayak]

yeah, that's why I initially suggested either oldid or at least a secion 😛 I think it was mostly Doggy wanted to give credit to quarantin separately, but not sure if that's needed as a second page?

[flint vapor]

Yes it is

The way Modding projects work

It is

Bcs any of these two projects could evolve separtly into more stuff and need more stuff described individually for each

It would break the philosophy of the modding project, which is to document modding tools developed by the community for the community, thus giving access to a big library of sources codes and more for people to pick up work from or discover how stuff was done

The B41 and B42 unofficial javadocs are 2 completely different projects made by 2 completely different persons for 2 completely different versions of the game

They do not share the same source code, they are their own thing, I'm not mixing them in the same page, that woukd break whole point of the modding project category

It's like saying we should mix the TileZed page with the unofficial mapping tools because they are technically used for the same thing

Those two projects just end up sharing the same name, which makes you think oldid is adapted, which it isn't

[languid kayak]

@digital helm not sure about this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template_talk:Body_part/es maybe you can take al ook?

[languid kayak]

yeah, if they are separate, I just kept them the way. So far the redirect redirects to b42 version and about is on both pages 🙂

[digital helm]

Looks like they fixed it already

[languid kayak]

btw, I noted that before, but didn't try figuring out but there's some error pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance most notably https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_syntax_highlighting_errors

[digital helm]

The entire template has been copied instead of just the bits to be translated. Any idea if there are more like this?

[languid kayak]

which template is it?

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeSnip/es

[languid kayak]

I'm slowly going through https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Texaliuz edits, was really prolific this month 😄 Not sure I'll spot them though

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:ConditionChange is this template still being used at all? Seems https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Consumables handles this now?

[languid kayak]

some template loops there too 😩 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Construction_hp/es

Seems more as well in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_template_loops

[digital helm]

This one is fixed. They overwrite the correct way with the wrong way

[digital helm]

I had a look through some, and the other templates look good. Not sure why this one was different

[digital helm]

not anymore. Replaced by this one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:EffectColor

[languid kayak]

Well, templates are convoluted, part of the reason I didn't try start to translate them yet to Polish 🙃 ||not that I am lazy||

[languid kayak]

I guess I'll remove it before more users go on to translate them

[digital helm]

yeah... templates have forever been a nightmare for translations

[digital helm]

Some of these aren't ready to be translated

This was even translated 🤦 @proud cobalt

@proud cobalt Might be wroth removing the use of tt here until we know what we're doing. Doesn't seem to work like I expected/hoped https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Module:Crafting#L-45--L-58

Never mind, I figured it out. Translations for Building, need to be on Crafting. Not sure why tbh
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Building/es
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting/es

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Random_Notices falls in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_too_many_expensive_parser_function_calls btw but not sure if that name is correct? location_community_medical_01_156+157+158+159+166+167+0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37+38+39+40+41+42+43+44+45+46+47+0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23+24+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36+37+38+39+40+41+42+43+44+45+46+47.png

Size
102 tiles

😄

I just realized that despite new blogs, we got some Bluesky posts, some potentially useful bits we could add to project history @lucid junco https://bsky.app/profile/theindiestone.bsky.social https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Planned_features

Also the X TIS profile is no longer really active (which is understandable)

The Indie Stone (@theindiestone.bsky.social)

The most indie of stones you could ever imagine! Developer of Project Zomboid.

Bluesky

I just realized, shouldn't https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox/socials be named "Infobox socials" instead? Like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item @digital helm

[digital helm]

yeah it should

[digital helm]

Wait, no, this is right. It's not an entire template, just a block, like Infobox/image

[flint vapor]

wtf LMAO

[proud cobalt]

102 tiles using the same name an facing direction, a known issue

[languid kayak]

shlould these be fixed manually? Are there many like these?

[languid kayak]

We decided to keep this following the removal of the main page screenshot, that's still the case I guess? If so, I guess improving the documentation would be a low-hanging fruit? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Rand

[languid kayak]

With the Crafting migrated, I updated the /es and /pt-br to no longer be in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Suppressed_articles

Now it's just https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item behemoth (and knives from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_where_template_include_size_is_exceeded which only have navboxes not loading)

[languid kayak]

Also @proud cobalt there seems to be some issue with loot section https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Butterfly_Knife

Not sure if it's more than these three?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Van_Beer_Glove_Box
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Van_Imported_Beer_Glove_Box
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Beer_Glove_Box

Seems so sadly https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flask

[languid kayak]

How come this is marked for removal https://pzwiki.net/wiki/General_(crafting) after Build 42 stable yet it's bumped to 42.0.2?

[flint vapor]

Is there an official way to add citations to papers on the wiki ?

It's one of those rare cases where a specific project utilized some work which notably has a paper to cite

Figured that was a good information to add

[languid kayak]

as in quotes? Like {{Quote|text=Right click on your health panel to use.|author=In-game tooltip.}} in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bandage_-_Adhesive ?

[flint vapor]

No, scientific citations

Like wikipedia does basically

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_regression#References

[languid kayak]

There's <ref> other than that not really I think? There's some more advanced ways to add it like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/AI#References

[flint vapor]

Sounds like it

[languid kayak]

would be fiddling with <ref> mostly, unless you think some template would be useful. I didn't really spend time fiddling with refs, some are really basic. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Event#References also uses them extensively

[flint vapor]

No I think the reference thing you just shared is exactly that

Let me try that

[languid kayak]

Not sure what's the difference with #tag, some documentation here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#Miscellaneous

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Reftags#Defining_a_reftag_function

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Real_Life_Map

[languid kayak]

Seems it's just needed for when we use parser functions? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Cite#Substitution_and_embedded_parser_functions

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[languid kayak]

diffeerence of using <ref> and {{#tag|ref}}, the second link seems to explain it

I think <ref> are simpler to grasp 😄 No difference in looks anyway https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Real_Life_Map&diff=1034753&oldid=1034751

[flint vapor]

Probably best to keep using it anyway ?

If it's needed if we use templates if I understood right ?

Maybe normalizing their use sounds like a better idea ?

idk

Shit I didn't star the tool to get video thumbnails

yt-dlp

Found it

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

[languid kayak]

I think I asked @digital helm about it some time ago? Not sure though. I just actually spent time understanding them now 😄
If there's benefit, we can do it as a bot task I guess, even though I got used at <ref> and </ref>

[flint vapor]

Added a link to it in the template of video
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Video

[digital helm]

I've been working on item over the last few days

[digital helm]

#tag when used inside parser functions, such as in a template. It just adds the tag later in the parser. In an article just use <ref>

This is the same for any html tag

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt these seems to be placeholders too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:FileDuplicateSearch/Recreational_01_88.png

Can't find where is it linked… sounds like some parameter being passed as a template name by accident? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:1

oh, it's the note

was a missing } in the template

[languid kayak]

I noticed a lot of categories link to Project Zomboid, shouldn't they use {{ll}} instead so non-English pages are adjusted?

Or should we go away with linking to it anyway (everything is "In Project Zomboid)? The PZ page needs heavy polish anyway and encouraging translators to translate it by red links is kinda disservice in the state the page is at 😩

Example (and main category): https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Project_Zomboid&action=edit

The category descriptions is something I tried to iron out and standardize on a few occasions, but never really went through all of them, btw.

I think I'll eventually go and remove the "in Project Zomboid" bits, after all that's the only game we cover on the wiki so it's redundant needlessly.

[digital helm]

The language code should be added to the link, like any other link, if it's part of the main body of an article

A little pointless to link to it. I think a lot of it was just to give it some attention, otherwise when do you link to it?

[proud cobalt]

No it will be overwritten

[proud cobalt]

The vehicles?

Yeah known issue 😄

[proud cobalt]

Seems you bumped it after Halwaru added some recipes. It's not a crafting category anymore

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I'm hoping tiles are finished soon when crafting is fully Implemented

[languid kayak]

might be it 😄

[languid kayak]

Seems there's one left btw @digital helm https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Legend_clothing/es

[naive imp]

I'm late but I agree with this assessment. We should preserve both and and make sure that the appropriate creators and other people who worked on each distinct version are credited properly.

Normally I'd be all for b42 supremacy but this is an important distinction to make as build 41 is still extremely popular and the goal of the modding project (from what I understand) is to make things easier for everyone. There will be plenty of people still on b41 until stable release, and maybe even after that. We should make decisions as such, imo.

btw @flint vapor all good to delete this page? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModData

It has a deletion notice on it and modding is out of my wheelhouse so I wanted to make sure I didn't break anything

It also still has a bunch of transclusions so I want to make sure before deleting it

[flint vapor]

Yes

It breaks the Template:JavaObject

[naive imp]

Can you explain in further detail?

Also I'd have to figure out what to do with the transclusions. @languid kayak @digital helm?

[flint vapor]

The template checks if the page exists, if it doesn't it links to the java docs

[languid kayak]

I didn't straight up delrted it as it was linked in navbox, but yeah 🙂

or maybe that? I'll take a look

[flint vapor]

I need to start maintaining the navbox

To improve the links

[languid kayak]

I usually do this for you; so your pages don't fall in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages

[flint vapor]

I never use the navbox so idk what it looks like rn lol

I'll check it out

[languid kayak]

I moved the remaining links as they were linking dead pages; feel free to correct me if these are wrong:

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:TimedAction_parameters&diff=prev&oldid=1035085
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Timed_Actions&diff=prev&oldid=1035087
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PerformingAction&diff=prev&oldid=1035089

I'm also thinking that a disambiguation page for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TimedAction could be made then?

[flint vapor]

I love how all of this requires me to think in detail about which is which, proving that the game's a fucking mess with its naming for timed actions 😭

I think last one is wrong but I need to check in detail, so give me a sec lol

As for disambiguation for it, yea sure

This last page needs some clean up I feel like lol

I still can't moooove PAGES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:AnimNodes_parameters

Marked all these for their individual moves

[flint vapor]

Regarding the performing action, basically this is a variable which is referenced inside timedAction scripts, and timedAction scripts can be used in the timedAction parameter for craftRecipes to trigger specific animations, sounds etc

Just so you understand the mess this is lol

Also regarding the guide renames, haven't had time to look at these too

[languid kayak]

I'm confused too, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=ModData&action=history it seems @digital helm moved the page to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_data and you described it in the news? Should it be a redirect to Mod data page?

*[[ModData]] – A page explaining how to use ModData to store data in the game for use even after reloading a save. Various classes have their own specific mod data attached to them. However, this page is spefically about the global mod data object named <code>ModData</code>.

and it's just a link on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:JavaObject#Examples

[flint vapor]

The detail I added to the move tag

We decided that the page of the java object was enough to also add per instances mod data

That making two separate pages was not really viable

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, I think I see it now https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=ModData&curid=139287&diff=1021877&oldid=1021801

and yeah, it started here: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=ModData&curid=139287&diff=1021879&oldid=1021877

[flint vapor]

yea

[languid kayak]

and yeah here too https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=ModData&curid=153167&diff=1022083&oldid=1021885

It's also linked here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Java_object#Java_objects

[flint vapor]

Reason I had done that was bcs it was breaking the JavaObject template too I believe

[languid kayak]

It seems it's jut a link in that template?

[languid kayak]

as per here

[flint vapor]

It's an example

[languid kayak]

but where this example should link now to? If I'd remove ModData it'd be red

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/ModData

[flint vapor]

No bcs this template links to the JavaDocs if the page doesn't exist

Basically Java objects, are present in the Java Docs

[languid kayak]

It'd be red here (last link)

[flint vapor]

No it wouldn't

[languid kayak]

and not sure I should link to "Mod data" instead?

[flint vapor]

And a way to not have to create useless java object pages for things that really don't deserve them because there's nothing to say about them, we want to make sure we link the java object page IF it gets created

And if the Java object page doesn't exist, which ModData was before, then we link to the JavaDocs instead

The fact the ModData page exists

Means we can't properly use the JavaObject template

Bcs then it links to the existing page

Which is empty

Instead of linking automatically to the JavaDocs

https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/world/moddata/ModData.html

The examples are a demonstration of that

BaseSoundBank doesn't have a page

So it links to the java docs

[languid kayak]

yeah, just noticed it's a template… though it kinda links directly to the page that's up for deletion rn?
{{JavaObject|ModData|package=zombie/world/moddata}}

[flint vapor]

IsoZombie has a page, so it links to the wiki page in priority

[flint vapor]

No it doesn't

[languid kayak]

oh

[flint vapor]

Check what the template does

[languid kayak]

it'd link to documentation then?

[flint vapor]

Yes

If you delete the ModData page (WHICH WE NEED TO DO), it automatically falls back to the java docs

That's the whole point of the template and the reason it exists

[languid kayak]

Okay then, and in the list in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Java_object#Java_objects should it just be removed?

[flint vapor]

Yes

Tho tbf

I hate the fact we list individual pages like these on pages of their category

When the category page exists in the first place

Adds a lot of useless maintaining (+ that list is wrong currentl since a lot of these pages haven't been created yet)

[languid kayak]

The only benefit it may prompt user to create the red ones, but not sure if it's a complete list?

[flint vapor]

It will never be a complete list

[languid kayak]

btw, I deleted the ModData page and removed the link from PZwiki:News too https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki%3ANews&diff=1035145&oldid=1013967

[flint vapor]

Tho tbf I think that's one of the modding section I need to modernize a bit more

[flint vapor]

👌

[flint vapor]

Link to Mod data instead I think

[languid kayak]

Kinda still picked by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/ModData (not sure if it's cache), but it's linking to documentation now

[flint vapor]

Cached

If you check the template

You can see now it links to the JavaDocs as expected

[languid kayak]

Maybe yeah, so just https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Java_object#Java_objects left

[flint vapor]

yea

[languid kayak]

@digital helm these three can be safely deleted I guess?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Chevalier_Step_Van_Variants.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dash_Bulldriver_Variants.gif
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Franklin_Valuline_Variants.gif

And these three:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dash_Rancher.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Mercia_Lang_4000.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Dash_Elite.png

[proud cobalt]

<@&671452400221159444>

[obsidian atlas]

Thanks

[languid kayak]

Okay https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages is pretty cleared, just four tiles and two crafting pages, pinging you @proud cobalt just in case

[proud cobalt]

Delete notice added to crafting pages for b42 stable, tiles are interesting 🤔 They will get a navbox but they should really be linked in the tiles pages not sure why they arent

I'll add to my todo

[digital helm]

I'd say yes for the gifs. The others should probably be in the gallery. I can do that

[languid kayak]

sure, go on, if not I'll get to it later 🙂

[digital helm]

Doing now. I think we should still have in-game screenshots though, either in the gallery or a second infobox image

Ended up deleting them all. There's newer ones already in the gallery

[languid kayak]

I think so? Screenshots is something I want to eventually go through, it's currently a bit messy; in items some of them have screenshots I didn't straight up removed, but are subpare quality before we delved into models (which is still something we have to finish eventually too :D)

Speaking of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Screenshots

Having stuff like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:20240129144145_1.jpg (this is used on talk page only apparently), but also screenshots on items

[digital helm]

Most item screenshots I assume would be pretty low quality. I think a good screenshot would be of it in use. A screenshot of it on the ground probably isn't worth keeping 😄

[digital helm]

Clothing like this would be good to keep, since it's in use and is a better representation than the ground model

[proud cobalt]

Just starting the structure of the new distribution/loot module/template. There's two ways I can go about this for its usage in article.
1:

{{Loot|Base.Axe}}```
Which would display all the types of loot in the new format, or 2:
```===Loot===
====Containers====
{{Loot|Containers|Base.Axe}}

====Vehicles====
{{Loot|Vehicles|Base.Axe}}```
Option 1 has the least maintenance, while option 2 has greater customisation on article.

Reminder of the proposed new format
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox3#Obtaining

Without ● (how recipes look now)

[digital helm]

By less maintenance, do you mean that the page itself wouldn't be updated? Since it's instead moved to the template/module?

[proud cobalt]

Correct, the first method is implemented once then updates on the back end like the data modules, any addition of types of distribution also are added on the back end. In option 2 any additions or removal of types of distribution would result in the template being added/removed manually

[languid kayak]

BTW, so far we (as in @digital helm and me) lean toward option 1 as there may be realistically no way to keep 2 maintained, though I guess it's all open to comments 👀
(and mind I'm not really much deep onto the topic as Calvy is)

[proud cobalt]

Making some progress finally

I had to split some of the data files due to size constraints

Also for @languid kayak For any load time concerns

[quartz bear]

Probably need to optimize it further

Currently looking for nanosecond performance

[serene sage]

?

[loud hull]

I don't even know why I came to this chat haha

[proud cobalt]

Let's not do that

[loud hull]

ok

[proud cobalt]

Ok i think i'm ready with the loot template, here's how it looks in action {{Loot|Base.Axe}}:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox#Obtaining

And on its own for different items:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2

[languid kayak]

Looks nice; didn't we have effective chance explained somewhere? Do we still have it?

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah it was hard codedd in the location box

[languid kayak]

I think it would be handy, first I though of tooltip, but it'd have to be in text anyway, to be shown on mobile, so might be redundant as a tooltip 😄

and in the end you went with separate Containers and Vehicles after all?

[proud cobalt]

Unless i missed/forgot about some discussion yeah, they serve two different purposes anyway

[proud cobalt]

I'll look at adding

[proud cobalt]

This is added as part of the template

[proud cobalt]

I will prepare to implement it then so long as no concerns from @digital helm

[digital helm]

Looks good to me. I'm happy

[languid kayak]

Took me a while, but these are now moved
I opted for "Creating" instead of "Making" as it seems to be slightly more common way of doing mods (saying to create a mod is more common apparently than making a mod according to Google search results/trends)

I also changed Uploading a mod to Uploading mods and Resolving mod problems to Resolving mods problems as all aother guides from the series were plural.

@flint vapor let me know if there's anything else to do or want to change something, I'll be adjusting the links in the meantime. All the old redirects are kept for now, maybe we can remove them eventually, but these doesn't hurt in case they are linked externally somewhere or folks have them bookmarked. Also feel free create new redirects if needed 🙂

[proud cobalt]

mods problems doesn't sound right in English. Is it just me? @digital helm

[languid kayak]

Resolving problems with mods?

But yeah, the name is kinda weird either way (not that a previous ones was good), open for suggestions, maybe something entirely else?

the pages states "solutions with mod problems"

Then below is "Solving the most common problems with mods"

[proud cobalt]

Resolving problems with mods sounds most correct, but wordy. I'd rather that over solutions with mod problems

Stupid English shoving uneccesary words in. Why many word few word work?

[languid kayak]

😄

I guess resolving is better anyway? It's an issue, not a puzzle after all

btw, just realized I crossed the 55k mark 😄

[proud cobalt]

I should break 50 swapping these location tables over

[languid kayak]

Best for me to enjoy my number before you beat me 😄

[languid kayak]

That also marks a task done by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Modding#Job_board

[proud cobalt]

Even if the number is bigger i can't beat the legacy 😄

[digital helm]

yeah mod problems would've been more correct than mods, but Resolving problems with mods is the most as @proud cobalt said. Not sure of context, but I'd also consider issues instead of problems, since that's more specific

[flint vapor]

Yea that's good !

I haven't had much time to look at it too much

Keep the redirects for sure for now

As I linked these in Discord

[cloud plover]

maybe a dumb question or the wrong place, but how do we add POI's to the B42 map?

[proud cobalt]

You can't currently, i have to add them, and currently i'm not adding any as we're looking for an official deployment soon

Is there a particularly important one missing?

[cloud plover]

gotcha, so adding to the locations on the wiki would be better, then?

[cloud plover]

No, just a lot in the new towns that aren't marked.

[proud cobalt]

Any new businesses not already on the wiki should get an article. That's part of the locations project. Most of the work on locations is done by @lucid junco and @naive imp. The goal is to cover every business/important location.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps

If you're new to wiki editing we also have some help pages
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[proud cobalt]

This is done on my end, just waiting for the bot to catch up.

[proud cobalt]

🎉

[serene sage]

where is this page with the contribution count?

been using the user settings page

[proud cobalt]

User page on citizen skin

[naive imp]

Feel free to go through the articles related to the towns and add anything you believe is missing or worth noting. Admittedly, work on locations has been slow lately, as I was quite burned out but I'm slowly ramping ym activity back up. Be sure to use standardized formatting established in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location

You can also look at all the Echo Creek articles to get a good idea of what an up-to-date location page should look like

Feel free to ping me anytime with questions or concerns 😀

[flint vapor]

10 years later

[proud cobalt]

Done 🙂

[quartz bear]

this poor pixel artist

got token logged...

<@&671452400221159444>

oh wow literally every moderator is down

that's crazy wtf

@lucid junco lurking

[lucid junco]

Always am

[digital helm]

I've deleted it and reported to mods

[gloomy glen]

Hi! apologies if this has already been asked (just coming back to lend a hand on the wiki) but what should be done with the items/traits/etc from build 42 whose translations are still missing in the game? Should those keep the English name in their translation, or could they have a temporary fan translation (specifying so in the article) and change it once the official titles/names are available?

[quartz bear]

My favorite undisclosed <3

Probably not where the perms come from but I can't help but poke fun at that role

[flint vapor]

It's the wiki admin role

[quartz bear]

Yeah I figured

But it's funnier to imagine it's because of undisclosed

[proud cobalt]

Scary undisclosed man

[digital helm]

We stick with how they are in-game. So I'd say go with English if they're missing. Thoughts @languid kayak @proud cobalt ?

[flint vapor]

Agreed

It could add to confusion to those who are used to the in-game name

• it's not always that simple to find a translation so some might search for a different name translated themselves

While if they search the trait name directly, it should be easier to find it

[languid kayak]

yup, wiki coords can always be adjusted 🙂 Most locations should be comprehensive, except a few ones not related to major towns, but if you find some, feel free!

Nothing planned for that, but I always would love to pull the coordinates and names from wiki and use it for the map, but we don't have anything for that in works yet I believe.

[languid kayak]

I initially wanted to say that the fan translation may work, but OTOH we'd be stuck with potentially confusing one, so maybe best to stick to English…?

[flint vapor]

The official deployment got confirmed ?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it's in the works, nothing i can do to speed it up now

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt @digital helm and @flint vapor – I guess we should add "Navigation" header to other pages too, like we do for items? E.g., modding https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Using_mods#See_also

[digital helm]

Yeah. Basically if there's a navbox, add it, if not, don't add it

[languid kayak]

I wonder if it could be aumated? Should be easy to do

[digital helm]

I could probably do that tomorrow

[flint vapor]

I mean like I had mentioned we should just do it automatically no ?

[lucid junco]

Stick to whatever is currently in game Id say

Even if its badly translated, it's the one that people will experience when playing, so they are most likely to search for it with ingame name

Thought if you are talking about language that isn't currently in game/fully supported, go for fan made translation

[languid kayak]

yeah, no need to do it manually, just something to keep in the back of the head when creating or editing new pages after 🙂 Or in case bots will miss it

[flint vapor]

Ah you don't add it to the navbox template ?

[languid kayak]

nah, forgot the reason behind it but there was some IIRC

[quasi plaza]

is there a build 42 version of this mod? anyone know ? pls help.

[flint vapor]

Wrong channel

#mod_support

[worthy wolf]

Is there an archive of the b41 articles

Like for farming

[languid kayak]

yes, we link to the old article via oldid. Just keep in mind that these are not maintained and can't be updated, and the page can look different if template used on it changed or got removed (not often the case).

Also keep in mind that images might have been updated, you'd have to click them to see the old version of the image if that's the case.

It's https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?oldid=578367

The farming is just a weird case as "Farming" is a subcategory of skills now, so the name may be confusing

[worthy wolf]

I see thank you

How do I directly use oldid via the wiki?

[languid kayak]

Just click the "For the Build 41 page, please see this old revision." on any page; we generally try to keep it. Sometimes it's not there if it wasn't added automatically or by user, or if it's wrong, you can go to history of any page and click any last revision before 17 December 2024; that'd be the last revision before b42

[worthy wolf]

Oh I just saw it

Never noticed it before lol

Alright thank you

[proud cobalt]

3 different names for one piece of furniture. What am I supposed to name the page?? Oak Bench Backless Oak Bench Oakwood Bench

[thin cloud]

In-game name the players see is the only one that matters

[dim bobcat]

@languid kayak 0.20Q got found and i found a few dead torrents for other builds like 0.14B

[proud cobalt]

We already have Q and Q experimental combat, i'm in contact with two of them

[proud cobalt]

Are you with the two other people? Or are you one of them?

[dim bobcat]

Yes

I'm biohazardfanatic

[solemn sundial]

is this where i request alpha builds?

[dim bobcat]

Dms

[proud cobalt]

Dm'd

[languid kayak]

Can add redirects for modders if they don't collide I guess?

[lucid junco]

@woven portal

[woven portal]

thx

[quartz bear]

Everyone has the dead torrents

No one has the seeders to bring them back up

[thin cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusement-confuse-scratching-head-scratch-head-gif-14853958798129980563

[proud cobalt]

Ok i've put some work into updating furniture names. Quite confusing having 3 naming schemes. Will have to figure out a way to find the right name as even the item list is wrong @digital helm

I'm going off the name that's given when picking up/placing the movable

[digital helm]

oh, yeah... I remember that being a problem. Iirc the item name is only when found as an item, but the tile could be called something else when picked up, based on what the tile translation is. They're separate objects, only connected by the sprite. Its pick up/place name seems logical, and most common

[digital helm]

How do we feel about merging the Item and Inventory pages? These will each cover the same topics.
Item will just be a landing page with general info, linking to the different lists, rather than listing every item in the game.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Inventory

[proud cobalt]

No objections here

Looking at the inventory page i'm actually beyond no objections and think it should be done 😆

[digital helm]

Probably the first time you've been to it, right? 😄

[proud cobalt]

I think so

[digital helm]

The new items navbar is added, and most item lists are updated to b42. Some are still a WIP (specifically food and vehicle maintenance).
One of the more useful ones now is the tools page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tools which lists each item based on the recipe category that they're used in. Thanks @proud cobalt for the suggestion

[languid kayak]

These are technically unused (hidden), not debug:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Can_of_Water
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dented_Unlabeled_Can_of_Food_(Open)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Unlabeled_Can_of_Food_(Open)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stairs_Piece
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Water_Drop

[serene sage]

are we sure all of these are army barracks, if any of them are at all? seems like there's been discussions on the forums that they are actually temporary housing for foreign farm workers https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Army_barracks

unless these are army barracks and I'm thinking about a different set of similar looking buildings

[languid kayak]

I'm actually surprised there's so few items modyfing Discomfort btw https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Discomfort#Items_with_a_discomfort_rating

@proud cobalt something to adjust in the script I guess? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Simple_Metal_Blade&curid=119589&diff=1014879&oldid=1007247

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Stab

[serene sage]

wow, a non-existent page just about stabs

[lucid junco]

I was the one to make this page so

My argument is that it has a lot of military themed items

And overall some military vibes

And I think it has zombie military zone type, but not sure

[flat sun]

does the military really have so many barracks scattered around all over the place...? and they don't actually spawn guns right?

[lucid junco]

Well, its not scattered per say

Like they are relatively concentrated around the doe valley

They could have easily been used to train rookies in outdoorsy environments

Contradicting the temporary farming houses is the fact that there isn't so much farming related lood in them

If my memory is correct, you can find military clothes, dog tags, holsters, military knives and much more inside the barracks

[languid kayak]

I don't think it's necessary? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki_talk:Userboxes#New_Userbox

[languid kayak]

we can ask @thin cloud too 👀 (whether all the barracks scattered around Doe Valley are military, or are these just farm workers?) as per https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Army_barracks

[languid kayak]

I think some {{Clear}} could be useful before ==Navigation==? as per https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Complex_Loom#Navigation @proud cobalt

Also, is it Complex Loom or simply Loom? It's currently only linked in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Farming_(Building) but I adjusted this: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Coalfield_Inn&diff=prev&oldid=1044205