pzwiki_editing

[languid kayak]

you're on fire with these 😄

[quartz bear]

i think i forgot what i was supposed to do

[tulip kiln]

so me fr

[lucid junco]

Still waiting on the smoker trait code check

[quartz bear]

ah yes

[lucid junco]

To confirm it doesn't suffer from tiscod'itus

[quartz bear]

i went to update pz and then never checked back

[lucid junco]

Don't forget to update to 42.5.1

[quartz bear]

i don't know the meaning of the word update

[quartz bear]

im at school but im on my computer

if i dont find anything more interesting to do i'll look into it

[lucid junco]

Ahh

Dont you love when "abandoned" orphanage has 255 zeds in it

What is this shit

[flint vapor]

Lol

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_Orphanage Done

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Golden_Sunset_Nursing_Home
Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Maj._Saunders_Middle_school
Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Church#Locations Needs to be expanded... again @languid kayak @digital helm

[quartz bear]

what do you need to know

   public int SmokerSneezeTimerMin = 43200;
   public int SmokerSneezeTimerMax = 129600;
   public int MildColdSneezeTimerMin = 600;
   public int MildColdSneezeTimerMax = 800;
   public int ColdSneezeTimerMin = 300;
   public int ColdSneezeTimerMax = 600;
   public int NastyColdSneezeTimerMin = 200;
   public int NastyColdSneezeTimerMax = 300;

here's some code to anchor against

a cold always takes precendence over smoker

so the code for smoker coughing/sneezing is never triggered if you have a cold

which makes sense because a cold is more brutal anyway

I also don't see any code responsible for reducing the intervals

using a tissue removes the sound completely

that's all I can tell you lol

[quartz bear]

seems to be measured in "game world seconds"

no idea how this translates to anything at all

[digital helm]

Added up to 40 rows

[lucid junco]

Thats fine

As long as there are nothing that overwrites the time that tis themself listed, then thats all I need

[quartz bear]

I don't see anything

Other than the fact a cold takes precedence

It could probably be modified by a mod

It might be changeable from Lua but I don't think there's anything in there

I didn't check but I'm sure there's nothing there

That being said I'm already in bed

[lucid junco]

Tis on their way to add in another 10 churches with 42.6.0 🏃‍♂️

[void basin]

as the original writer of this article I feel like it's my duty to update it to the build42 version especially considering it might have undergone one of the biggest reworks of any building on the map https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Research_Facility

won't be easy though

there's a lot of (under)ground to cover

[quartz bear]

no religional diversity smh

[strange crag]

Hey, I noticed in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clumsy it says "This trait was changed in Build 42 and no longer increases the chance to trip or fall."
But this does not seem to be true, as in ClimbOverFenceState.shouldFallAfterVaultOver in Java, it still adds a 10% chance increase to trip after vaulting a fence:

  if (var1.Traits.Clumsy.isSet()) {
      var2 += 10.0F;
   }

Am I missing something or is the wiki not up to date here?

[quartz bear]

lowkey had this discussion 2 weeks ago

@digital helm got lazy and didn't fix the page is what I'm hearing

[flat sun]

i also noticed that and spent like twenty minutes trying to work out why someone decided it doesn't anymore

[quartz bear]

most controversial pzwiki page of 2025

[digital helm]

I did change it. Looks like the original person that changed it has changed it back

[quartz bear]

LMAO

[proud cobalt]

😆
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Clumsy&diff=875187&oldid=874753

[digital helm]

Same with graceful

[proud cobalt]

I can revert if you want

[digital helm]

I can do it. Going to leave a message on their talk page

[proud cobalt]

Np

[quartz bear]

like they'd read it

there needs to be a huge banner covering the entire screen for that to happen

[serene sage]

I have come to the conclusion that it isn't possible to reliably automate the transcript effects

guess I'll do them all manually

[quartz bear]

what are transcript effects

the +mood when watching tv?

[serene sage]

yeah

[quartz bear]

what's so hard about it

[serene sage]

the newer ones don't have them included

it's just I already went through every single transcript once and I don't want to do it all over again if I don't have to

I'll probably have to though

[quartz bear]

mm I have a feeling myself or @proud cobalt could pull it off

maybe because I have literally no context and what I am imagining is a .txt file

[serene sage]

I do have an idea of how to program a Python script to do it all

it's just that the transcripts Vail gave me are slightly different compared to the ones on the site

I'll give the automation idea another try but I don't think doing it manually will be absolutely awful

probably just mostly awful

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm maintains the transcript parser so would have more of an idea than i would

[ember obsidian]

What if we make a discussion for a page, not talk for single person?
Still no banner?

[proud cobalt]

Even less likely to be seen 😆

[digital helm]

People get a banner on the wiki when someone leaves them a message. The talk page on individual pages tends to get missed

Also, this is specific to that person, because it's verging on edit warring

[ember obsidian]

ohh i got it. what i worried is the case that visitor see wrong information until something decided.
So we don't have any sign, something like "note: this information could be incorrect." or "this information is under discussion"

👍

because.... I already told to my friend that clumsy has no more tripping chance anymore by watching wiki and I suprised today 🤣

[digital helm]

Oh, yeah, we have some things like that. We have {{Unverified}} and {{Verify}} which is an mbox (banner) and the other is a tag (inline superscript)

[ember obsidian]

(ik it's my fault(because it's wiki) and not blaming someone)

[digital helm]

Unfortunately it does happen. Anyone can edit the wiki, so until we notice or don't know any better, it'll stay like that

[digital helm]

Ah, you want to compare the file I sent you with the page already on the site? Could do something to automate that 🤔
I'm assuming the main problem is retaining the person and everything else can be replaced?

It's probably not something I'm going to have time to really look into for a while though

[serene sage]

nope, just need to make sure the script doesn't freak out if it finds the two transcripts slightly differ in, say the grouping of the lines

I think I could probably just keep track of which parts don't line up and have the script ignore those parts for a manual review later on

[tulip kiln]

@digital helm Oh yeah dude been meaning to ask. Do we want pages for the confirmed ingame counties yet or nah? Might be a bit barebones cause I'm unsure how big those counties are exactly ingame

[proud cobalt]

First pass of items is done. Mostly the easy ones, some standardisation, name changes etc. There's about 250 items left that are more complicated. None of this includes VHS or CDs

[digital helm]

Possibly, especially if there are mechanics related, such as certain police liveries spawning in that area. At least mention them somewhere, whether it's in a section on the Knox Country page, or a County page. Thoughts? @naive imp

@lucid junco too

[tulip kiln]

Ye I gotta figure out how to find the code where these police liveries spawn as well

Unless I'm misremembering, I think Riverside was definitely part of Meade

[digital helm]

Huge job. Nice work

[lucid junco]

Yep

[digital helm]

I'll send it to you when I get home. It's something like VehicleProfessions.lua

[tulip kiln]

Cheers

[lucid junco]

Infobox can have the county

towns/cities infobox

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I think it could be useful having a page of these counties since if there's some notable building that's in the middle of nowhere, we can still probably figure out what county it's in

[digital helm]

I thought so too. Just hadn't gotten around to it yet #pzwiki_editing message

[tulip kiln]

That way rather than just saying middle of nowhere, you can put a county link as the location in infobox

Like with Doe Valley

[digital helm]

Maybe start with one "County" page, and if it becomes too much for one page, we can split it

[tulip kiln]

"Counties" or something maybe

[digital helm]

We typically avoid plurals for page names

Easier to link

[tulip kiln]

Cool, just trying to brainstorm how I wanna start the page, always the hardest part

[digital helm]

"A county is a county in Project Zomboid"

[tulip kiln]

Perfect

Either that or start the page off with a bizarre rant "It's not Knox County, it's Knox Country for fuck sake"

[proud cobalt]

Experimenting with adding researchable recipes. I figure usage would be best for this. Thoughts on the format? @digital helm @languid kayak & others

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Antique_Table_Leg_with_Nails

Could always just do a list, but that seems boring 😄

[tulip kiln]

Oh shit yeah I been meaning to ask someone about this actually. I've also been adding more stuff to the occupations pages, where can I find a list of what recipes certain occupations start off with? Cause there's shit tons

[digital helm]

I like the idea and I think usage is the best spot for it. Just not sure about the recipe table 🤔 are there ever more than 1? Crafting tables can be a bit of an eyesore 😅

[proud cobalt]

Up to 3-4

[digital helm]

I'll get back to you on that. Unless @proud cobalt has it handy

[proud cobalt]

MainCreationMethods.lua getFreeRecipes

[digital helm]

Might be ok. Just concerned the entire page will turn into crafting tables

[proud cobalt]

Fair concern, A list would be rough when we're missing so many translations

Would be technical names

Should add the recipes to the occupation and trait pages too

[naive imp]

How would you think of implementing it? I'm not quite sure how we would implement it. Maybe just in the Infobox as sharpgolden suggested?

I'm not sure that we need dedicated pages for them, I mean what would we put in them?

Open to ideas from everyone 😀

Also fellas I'm going through a breakup at the moment, my activity may be a bit weird

Not that it wasn't already lol

[tulip kiln]

Well maybe just 1 page for all the counties. Each with a short list of towns, notable buildings etc in that county. That way rather than just saying some cool building is in the middle of nowhere, we can link to the county it's in

[naive imp]

Huh that's not a bad idea. I mean we have pages for vehicle manufacturers and they don't have much in them either

[tulip kiln]

Cause we already have the doe valley region for a portion of the maps rural areas, this feels pretty similar

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, when I was reorganizing and adding categories to the Knox Country page a couple days back, I initially had em categorised under their counties, but the urban centers and rural areas idea probably works better

Better off having counties as one lil page

[naive imp]

Dixie mobile park is in there twice tho, dont know if you realixed

Near the bottom

[tulip kiln]

Ye fixed, old screenshot I grabbed

[naive imp]

Ah

Definitely think it looks good

[tulip kiln]

Still needs a bit of work though. Like how we'd constitute rural areas and urban centres

Cause echo creek is a spawn town, but I dunno if we'd constitute it as a urban centre

It's some small middle of nowhere town, almost a village

[naive imp]

No Definitely not

[naive imp]

I think we should look at the overall structure of the town. I.e. does it have distinct commercial areas or are they just kind of everywhere? What do the outskirts look like? Etc etc

Like ex Muldraugh

I'd say that's an urban center

[tulip kiln]

Oh definitely. I'm classing any decent sized town in the game as urban centre

Fallas Lake I'm iffy on

[naive imp]

I think fallas lake is more rural

[tulip kiln]

Yeah

[naive imp]

A lot of the prominent businesses are like agricultural

And there's a lot of woods and fields and whatnot surrounding it

[tulip kiln]

One thing me and I think sharp? were talking about was that we think no matter how cool the place is, the page shouldn't have a section just for a notable building

Should just be towns and regions (the named big lake areas etc)

[naive imp]

You mean the Knox Country page right? Yeah I agree

[tulip kiln]

Hence why I sort of think we don't need the trailer parks having their own section except Dixie. Cause Bright and Scenic are literally right next to their respective towns

They can probably just be linked in the town's description on the page

[naive imp]

I dunno about that actually

Because I think Scenic Grove can still be a spawn point though

If you spawn in riverside

[tulip kiln]

Yeah probably

Either way, when I get the chance, ima start adding some of those regions to the page. Like Dark Wallow Lake, Jefferson Forest etc

Since they're pretty decent sized and they're named locations on the spawn maps, I think they'd belong on the page

[digital helm]

It's a weird one, because I think it's a location, just with multiple buildings. So the spawn point is like a fire station. That's a location, not a region. I don't think there's any in-game indication that the surround area is called Scenic Grove, but I could be wrong

I used to look at Dixie and scenic grove as minor regions, but with all the new map stuff, I'm having second thoughts about that. I think these aren't really mentioned beyond that mobile park. But I might be wrong there

[digital helm]

I've sat on the idea for a while of having a page or at least meta page for recipes, so we can link to the individual recipes, especially because a learnt recipe can have multiple effects. But I'm not sure how that'd look.

Though, while we're still playing a lot of catch up with b42, I think the entire recipes would be fine. We can take another look at it later

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good, gives me something to do for a break from items

[naive imp]

There's a sign that says Scenic Grove Mobile Park but I don't think I'd classify any surrounding locations not in the trailer park as part of it no

[proud cobalt]

Ok just queued the last of them, about 450 pages with them being added. The updater should already work with them but i'll have to test it once theyre actually up

[languid kayak]

pacman -Syu ||I use Arch BTW||

[quartz bear]

paru -Syu*

they make it sound like -Sy is bad and evil but really it's just something that you have to know how and when to use properly

[languid kayak]

The template is easy to adjust, though at one point, is there any reasonable way to split it maybe?

[languid kayak]

vs Muldraugh

[languid kayak]

so having a tissue in offhand causes smoker coughts to not pop? Interesting, though if you wield a 2h weapon, you have no idea where it comes? Or when the last time happened?

[quartz bear]

this is how i perceived your message

[languid kayak]

I wasn't sure who was the original creator, nice to see you here 😄 Given how important the place is, we saw little attention given to it TBF. I even had found that there were two separate screenshots for it depending on the page and the description was mixed between the page for itself and the overview in Knox Country page. Also it was called various names in various places: lab, facility, base…

[quartz bear]

and to answer the question, yes, a tissue works the same way for smoker coughs and cold coughs

[languid kayak]

Yesterday's disccusion, but I think @digital helm was discussing the same with me

[languid kayak]

that, yeah 😄

[quartz bear]

😭 why do wm permissions allow this

[languid kayak]

leaving a message on user's talk page actually causes a huge banner to appear though

plus e-mail being send

[digital helm]

I think that'd be preferred, yeah, but not sure how best to do that

[languid kayak]

to see those there's a https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Articles_requiring_verification @ember obsidian btw – something I'd eventually want to get down to 0 😄

[languid kayak]

I think we do, yeah

[languid kayak]

Would that make these three https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks done?

🟠 Move all the models from gallery to infoboxes and remove galleries (unless they host unique items). In progress by User:Faalagorn and other editors.
🟠 Add all variants of food icons and models (Uncooked, Cooked, Rotten Uncooked, Rotten Cooked, Burnt where applicable) and change the order to the way.
🟠 Change the order of model→icon→icon_name and add missing fields when needed in infoboxes.
I'm not patrolling your edits since you're an admin so I have to say I paid little attention to what you changed

[languid kayak]

looks nice, just needs {{Clear}} somewhere

[digital helm]

Oh... I looked on mobile, which was fine. This is a general problem with the crafting table

[languid kayak]

with b42 being the crafting update that's not terribly wrong I'd say 😄

[digital helm]

wait.. this might be a you/firefox issue 🤔

[digital helm]

I don't have this problem on firefox and standard width

[languid kayak]

Speaking of that, maybe project vehicle could use revival? Also ingping @digital helm and @proud cobalt for those

[languid kayak]

I think I still liked the countries more tbh, not sure

[proud cobalt]

User: is just a namespace, you're just creating an article with the name Guuz in the user namespace. Not like an account

[quartz bear]

yeah

but why can i do that anyway

[digital helm]

Discussed this one before. Leaving it as a subproject of b42 update for now. At least until there's major changes that need to be added https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#Vehicles

[tulip kiln]

While the counties looked neater, I don't mind the urban, rural categories instead since I'd imagine the average user probably would prefer that more. Cause if they're checking the page, they likely wanna know what's in the rural areas, what's the urban areas

[lucid junco]

At one point I suggest splitting it into churches and chapels

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I think we may degrade them to locations. They are named, and sometimes have banners, but that's the same as dunno, a church with a graveyard that has separate buildings/catacombs.

[lucid junco]

With destroyed or abandoned ones being in another list

[proud cobalt]

Models from gallery I would say yes. The other two I did not put any specific work into. Food icons should be done automatically now by the wiki parser and CalvyBot. And the order is also done by CalvyBot.

Food models have not been touched

[tulip kiln]

I'll wait and see cause clearly there's some disagreement about it.

No harm in keeping em there for now

[proud cobalt]

If you couldn't create a page in the user namespace you could never create your own user page. Same for the user talk namespace, you could never try contact anyone

[languid kayak]

Back then I was grouping Dixie and Scenic Grove too, but now I'm on the same boat, yeah 😄

[quartz bear]

sounds like an excessively primitive permission system

[proud cobalt]

Yeah, I'd hope to fix it by buffing out the usage on items. But that's a whole lot of words X 4000 articles

[proud cobalt]

Yep 😂

[digital helm]

It's mediawiki, it is excessively primitive 😄

[tulip kiln]

I don't mind Dixie being there cause it's not right next to any town and it's got more to it than these other trailer parks. It's a pretty decent sized trailer park and it's also got a big rest stop area

[languid kayak]

I sometimes do -Sy or even -Syy 🤷

[proud cobalt]

Id like to split the vehicle parts now that we have a proper item list. Bugs me seeing the redlinks.

[lucid junco]

I think Dixie is mentioned on one of the spiffo adverts?

Flyers

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, the rest stop spiffos

I'd prefer to just flag Scenic Grove as Riverside, since it is a riverside spawn

[languid kayak]

my screen size here is small though, it's an older laptop

well; old* by today's standard defintiely 😄

[languid kayak]

It's like that on Wikipedia too, but yeah

[naive imp]

Go crazy bro

[tulip kiln]

Yeah the edits from people using their IP rather than an account isn't it?

[languid kayak]

but like you mentioned with echo Creek, is is as straightforward? After all urban/rural is less defined and more subjective imo

there are zombie population/densidty, loot/building types and animals plus forests, but still subjective, such as G*** Unlimited on Echo Creek

[tulip kiln]

If that's an issue we can rename it to Towns, Rural areas

Trouble is, Louisville isn't either of those

[languid kayak]

nah, we have IP disabled, but anyone can edit any user's page freely when registered

[digital helm]

I see the problem. I'll take another look at this at some point

[tulip kiln]

#pzwiki_editing message Me and Think were talking about this earlier, this is what he said about the urban, rural distinction

[languid kayak]

resolution thing definitely – chromium

1366x768 here

[digital helm]

Had to remind myself with a brief chat with @proud cobalt. This functionality is intentional, as otherwise half the table would be cut off, and may not be clear you can scroll horizontally. This will only happen when the viewport is less than 1080px, which is citizen's minimum ("Standard") width preference.
So, the fix was, rather than have it under the infobox for everyone, it's only for those with small displays.
Added with no-shrink class btw

[quartz bear]

Fascinatingly good decision for responsiveness

[digital helm]

We did a lot of work with responsiveness last year, and now it keeps me up at night 😄

[tulip kiln]

Alright lads, trying to do some of the starting recipes lists for the occupation pages now but I hit a bit of a roadblock.

Some of these occupations have recipes they know, it's just they can't craft it because it requires a specific level in a skill that they don't have yet.

Take burglar for example, they have the shiv recipe, but not the maintenance 1 to craft it. They can also craft bulletproof armour but they don't have tailoring lvl 6 to be able to craft it either

[digital helm]

Maybe add an asterisk next to these ones, then have an asterisk note to mention this
E.g. <nowiki>*</nowiki>This recipes has other requirements before it can be crafted, such as a skill level.
(nowiki so it doesn't turn into a dotpoint)

[tulip kiln]

ye I dunno how to put that in without making the recipe just disappear

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg_Detention_Center
Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg_Judicial_Court
Page created

@proud cobalt Just noticed this 😅

I think you were the one to make the unofficial map of districts?

(this one)

[hushed bobcat]

I did something similar based on names we can see on the spawning map. It's on the Street names page

[lucid junco]

Ah yes

The most popular location in the Brandenburg

Airfield with no aircrafts and almost no loot

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg#Community_services
Its

1/6th way over

What a loser

[languid kayak]

oh maybe it was me miscrediting it then 😄

[lucid junco]

Just noticed that two tool stores(One in Crossroads and one in the Ohio Mall) were not documented on the hardware store page

Which was 100% preparation for the future when devs had clarified that they are parts of EP tools and Nails & Nuts Tools and not an oversight by me

[tulip kiln]

I did include both, it's just I labelled em as LV and VS

Since the table says towns, not buildings

[lucid junco]

oh wait, only one was not added

I am misremembering

[tulip kiln]

Not sure if it's mobile playing up or something but there's also 2 Zacs Hardware now

[lucid junco]

The Nuts & Nails had 2 stores added to its chain from brochures info, one in pondview and one in crossroads

[tulip kiln]

Yeah, I meant LV for EP, VS for Nails

[lucid junco]

What are you talking bout

[tulip kiln]

I also put Brandenburg there for nails

Since that's where pondview is

[lucid junco]

Someone removed the Food Market

My beloved technicality

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I did, isn't that WP DIY now?

[lucid junco]

Nope

Its this one

[tulip kiln]

Ah the broken spawn one?

[lucid junco]

In valley station

Room def prominently says that its a tool store

And Im not the one to argue with devs room defs

[tulip kiln]

Put it back in if ya want, I thought it was about the market connected to WP DIY hardware

[lucid junco]

Aight

[hushed bobcat]

My guess is that this is probably a workaround to force a specific type of loot spawning

Without creating a dedicated "toolroomforamarketstore"-ish

[serene sage]

man this video was pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBITXNsD4x4

they got the timeline a bit off (which bugs me) but whatever

[lucid junco]

They could have not specified anything

if the container has no loot specified for it within the room def table, it will use default loot

and for metal shelves default look are various tools and other shit

[lucid junco]

No mention of the shooting

[serene sage]

yeah

[lucid junco]

Or pretty much anything that isnt mentioned in the knox event page

So bold of devs to reference famous quote from scout from deep rock galactic

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Let_There_Be_Light

[lucid junco]

1 million is still impossible

Though at least, chopper cant find you if you're out of bounds

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg#Retail_&_Commercial
2/6

[hushed bobcat]

Found something "peculiar". In the sounds folder, there is this file called insane4, which I'm assuming ins the sound being played in the background when the character insanity reaches level 4 (I know it's not current in the game). It looks like a reversed recorded audio, so I couldn't help myself and re-reverse it. Sounds "interesting". Poor Sahah, it's the end 😂

[flint vapor]

Yup

These are pretty cool

I thought about a sanity system but eh ...

[olive flint]

Thought insanity is a real thing rip

[languid kayak]

@digital helm & seems not to display correctly in the header: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sheet_Ropes_%26_Old_Friends

[digital helm]

I really hate this template...

The fix for the # not displaying broke it

[digital helm]

This time I actually don't know how to fix this without removing the last fix. So we either fix it for # or &, until we get scribunto

[proud cobalt]

Stolen valor

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[proud cobalt]

& is used a lot in literature, only 012 uses a # as far as i know. I think & is the way to go

[digital helm]

Ah, you've used the crafting table. That should be fine, it says that it needs Tailoring 6 in the table, so I think that's fine

[lucid junco]

Weird

The image is there

And listed as used

[quartz bear]

works on my machine

try ctrl+f5

[lucid junco]

Yeah, page didnt update for me ig

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burglar Ok cool, I guess the only issue might be that god damn some of these occupations get a lot of crafting recipes and it bloats the page a bit

[digital helm]

Yeah, it might be worth just listing them and linking to the product (if there's only 1) like I did for schematics https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Melee_Weapons_Schematic

[tulip kiln]

Ye cool, I'll do that instead

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak

https://tenor.com/view/theres-more-gif-23888098

Almost every flyer and misnamed brochure at some point will be moved and market for deletion

[tulip kiln]

in my defence

it's not my fault americans spell flyer in such a strange way

damn them

[lucid junco]

In my defence

I didnt think that there are fliers and brochures in the game

so I uploaded most of them as fliers

[tulip kiln]

that is literally what fucked me over

because I swear when I was checking, I was getting brochures marked as flyers

so I paid it no mind and uploaded them as flyers

[lucid junco]

@hushed bobcat Whats your defence

There is also uh

Ikip

You know

(Should have been named U-Store It Far East Louisville)

So many location pics have to be updated and moved and old names deleted

[tulip kiln]

oh my fucking god this looks terrible lmao, I don't even know how I'd even make this look presentable

I haven't even added half the crafting recipes yet

[digital helm]

Wow... that's a lot

Would this be something worth automating?

[tulip kiln]

definitely I'd imagine, I'ma just knock this one out tonight cause I've already come so far

I tried using a proper table for it, but while it looked neater, it'd also just bloat the page out more.

[digital helm]

Yeah dot points are best if it's just a list like this

[tulip kiln]

Yeah fuck it I'ma just list em alphabetically at this rate cause look at this. That's the list ingame, there's no order to it.

It's not alphabetical, it's not organised by what level is required to craft it

[tulip kiln]

ok ye fuck it ima just save my progress to my notes and do it tommorow cause god damn, wild that the carpenter knows this many recipes, is carpenter an insane occupation now? Cause holy fuck

[languid kayak]

ah, makese sense lol

[languid kayak]

I assume the foraging bonuses were verified? I think some has changed since b41?

[languid kayak]

I think these were all marked for deletion?

[lucid junco]

They were all leftovers from the page moving that ive market I think

And who knew that its circuital healing

Not circutial

[languid kayak]

admins can move without redirects 🤔 one of the reason ThinkDock got it 🙂

[languid kayak]

even TIS gets confused

[lucid junco]

The amount of pages I had to move and mark for deletion is a bit embarrassing

[languid kayak]

that was common too, I think Halwaru didn't either and it was only Vail who took care of them later 😄

[tulip kiln]

Unsure, haven't checked those, just what someone added before

[lucid junco]

C2 English everyone

[languid kayak]

Yeah, that's what ThinkDock was going through mostly

[languid kayak]

Sounds like something to note for TIS I guess 🤔

[lucid junco]

Thankfully there are not that many left

The print media definition has only couple of names in green

So let's hope Pat(or whoever in the Tis is responsible for them) does not come up with new ones

[proud cobalt]

It's something I've considered. Is all of this in that same lua file @tulip kiln

[digital helm]

In MainCreationMethods.lua from what I could see. Not straightforward to parse with the lua helper I made. Should be simple enough to do with regex

[tulip kiln]

No, there's tons of stuff that isn't in that file

[proud cobalt]

At the very least, having it in a json would make manually updating easier. And automating possible

[digital helm]

Clothing article updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing. I've rewritten the opening, explaining the difference between body location and body part. Also added a legend for the tables, and some changes to the tables

[tulip kiln]

But ye from what I can tell, all the free recipes in that item file for carpenter were just weaponry for some reason but it also wasn't even all the weapon recipes they have.

then ya gotta factor in all the carpentry recipes, assembly recipes etc

Hm maybe it might be because that stuff not on the list is what you unlock when you reach a certain skill level maybe?

[digital helm]

I was just thinking that. Some recipes are auto-learnt after reaching a skill level

Ones with the book icon need to be learnt from my understanding

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt not sure if I missed it, but are these three tasks good to go? If so, I'll remove them

[proud cobalt]

#pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

Thanks! I missed it totally, I guess it'd be enough to remove them, so I went and did that 🙂

[proud cobalt]

I've also started the wanted categories bot task. Ran it on the first 500, just need to do it on the next ones. I imagine that was a task you wanted 😄

Items still has probably 2+ months straight of work to be done. That includes the current new items, and not anything still to be added, or any new usage or reworks to items. Or an in depth analysis of new systems like fishing

[languid kayak]

I kinda want to get to items too, but I'm still stuck updateing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) – which in the end removed some images from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WantedFiles but also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles and generally some images cleanup in the process.

I'm currently doing it semi-manually with https://gist.github.com/Faalagorn/603e8a4666f3540b8eb92b05da275056 – I think we could push the script to the main script repo though, it could use some modifications to parse videos too and maybe fix some some issues that caused this #pzwiki_editing message the images could be replaced, I think it could be semi-botted too? Doing that manually for the most part

I still want to go through all the https://www.indiedb.com/games/project-zomboid/articles/page/2#articlesbrowse eventually, as I'm adding thumbnails from them manually and categories from 2013 blog: https://web.archive.org/web/20130807051711/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/2013/07/

Then there are some links to Facebook https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063646957274 but these can be add post-factum

All the existing news from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) could be probably botted to at least include infobox, I think next/prev could be botted too (as everything is on the main page, just have to include not only "News" but modding. community and uncategorized except a few cherry-picked exclusions (TOS, privacy policy, that kind of stuff). Currently sitting on https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/page/46/

The image rename logic and optimizations could be gutted, it will break images but we can remove them and add as we go too, or even mass-upload. I think categorization and summary could be botted too, now that I decided to add that.

oh, and on unrelated news, for the folks using GIMP, it seems that 3.0 will finally release I think Sunday or Monday if no issues will pop? Based on the comment https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/12864#note_2378362 – see https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/milestones/3

Pinging @lucid junco for that 🙂

btw @proud cobalt the fun thing with pngquant is that jpg files parsed by it have bigger file sizes than the original jpg, while also looking worse 😄

Huh, apparently it seems IndieDB got a higher quality image than website https://media.indiedb.com/images/articles/1/137/136627/mondoud.jpg vs https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2013/08/Mondoud-bloomin-mondoid.jpg

huh, seems I can't link to https://web.archive.org/web/20210727122450oe_/https://r1---sn-a5mlrn7s.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?expire=1627410289&ei=Efv_YIDtNo2Dkga0jajYBA&ip=2602%3Afe19%3A4000%3A7%3A0%3A0%3A0%3A64ca&id=o-AISLNpyN6nfNOf51GQD33y2S-EeeKlD_xUky1BazmGnc&itag=18&source=youtube&requiressl=yes&vprv=1&mime=video%2Fmp4&ns=19PRgZvCiPWOCpWbMBoyj6sG&gir=yes&clen=2982085&ratebypass=yes&dur=58.212&lmt=1394659856597061&fexp=24001373,24007246&c=WEB&n=ieJesiBMyfXcLb&sparams=expire%2Cei%2Cip%2Cid%2Citag%2Csource%2Crequiressl%2Cvprv%2Cmime%2Cns%2Cgir%2Cclen%2Cratebypass%2Cdur%2Clmt&sig=AOq0QJ8wRQIgcLF27Ey5lgxTIdnuLPNIfAEZaJ17PNk62IMPYMdON_4CIQDtDeZut7CyQM9yo6xlf1LhnhP0dFcdkXy9__b0qnS-hw%3D%3D&video_id=OXoQY585m1M&redirect_counter=1&cm2rm=sn-n4vey7e&req_id=911515e9356ba3ee&cms_redirect=yes&mh=D_&mip=2602:fe19:4000:7::64ca&mm=34&mn=sn-a5mlrn7s&ms=ltu&mt=1627388441&mv=m&mvi=1&pl=32&lsparams=mh,mip,mm,mn,ms,mv,mvi,pl&lsig=AG3C_xAwRQIgal3XApKjKYv0UKWBjmz2y2EMP6uk7LIN3el0yc404WYCIQDkjUeGGw0NU0c9cmTxtJshhgnTqPJFmRsxB-NqHcbAjQ%3D%3D as it has googlevideo.com in it :/

not sure if that link can be shortened, maybe I'll change it to https://web.archive.org/web/20170329234213/http://projectzomboid.com/blog/2013/08/mondoid-bloomin-mondoid/ instead

[languid kayak]

this seems to be the case for other (all?) JPEGs as well, https://media.indiedb.com/images/articles/1/137/136759/modreport_main.jpg vs https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2013/08/modreport-main.jpg

not sure what web.archive has

[quartz bear]

I'm on mobile and I see no difference

[languid kayak]

yeah, they aren't that noticeable 😄

[quartz bear]

are you just archiving now

[languid kayak]

as in old blogs? For the most part yeah. Calvy added most back then using a script he later shared, and I'm going through https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) now, see #pzwiki_editing message for details

[flint vapor]

Noticing that the Time page has a redirect but that's also the name of a parameter for B42 crafts. Can I replace the redirect with the page related to the crafting parameter or should it be kept and my parameter page be named "time (craftRecipe)" ?

Going to rework the CraftRecipe page a bit so parameters are stored in their individual pages based on a discussion I had with Vaile

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=time&action=edit

I guess I can change it

Hmm actually there's a lot of stuff related to time

Trying to think about a good way to link back to the type of script the parameter is for

There's many problems currently because some parameters are shared between multiple script types. So either a page is made for each parameter type for the various script types, by using a descriptor or we find a different clever way to handle common parameters

In the case of craft recipes there aren't that many shared

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ring – not sure if that page should be changed to be a page dedicated to old deprecated item, or maybe a generic overview of rings in game?

@proud cobalt @digital helm what is the plan with wallets? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wallet_(disambiguation) They are marked to be merged, is that what we plan on doing?

I cleaned up some of the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages btw – aside of the Wallet disambig and blog posts I'm slowly working on improving, there are these pages here:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowtie_(gold)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Camo_Boonie_Hat_(camo_green)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jacket_-_Suit_(colored)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Teacup_(ceramic)

These are not linked anywhere, including https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list – something to take a look at @digital helm

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ceramic_Teacup vs https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Teacup_(ceramic)

[flat sun]

sharing a page would be really strange imo, they should be considered completely separate things

[flint vapor]

Yea figured that's probably the best course of action

For parameters that are exactly the same tho idk

We'll see in the future

[flat sun]

i plan to collect data about parameters in the future that may be helpful to you

[flint vapor]

I thought about making something similar to your event data but for parameters

My main problem is that some pages need to go in detail in some specifics, while events don't really tend to do so

So gl keeping all this detail in a data base

[flat sun]

could you give an example of a parameter that needs extensive explanation?

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Inputs

The crafting parameters pages that I'm currently writing are good examples

Perhaps that's less the case with item parameters

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ItemMapper

[flat sun]

yeah the inputs/outputs are weird and honestly probably can't be described with the kind of data i have in mind at all

they don't really conform to the rules of how scripts work

they'd have to be heavily special cased

[flint vapor]

Yea

That's why perhaps it applies more to simple item parameters

That I can believe it, since the wiki already has like 300 pages of parameters that are all very similar

[flat sun]

i think it applies to literally everything but the weird blocks in craft recipes

item mapper would be fine though it's just key value pairs

apart from that they pretty cleanly conform to a couple set types

[flint vapor]

The thing is that these pages kind of need to go in the detail of how they are written

[hushed bobcat]

Same, just discover the difference later. But honestly, I still think that for a standard player reading the wiki, they are essentially the same. Their functionality is the same, what you could do with it is the same... there was I time that I have considered that brochure are thing with two pages vs single page on flier, but that is not the case... so in the end, it's just about getting it from list A or list B in that lua file, and the wiki follows the same for separation, with is useless for readers 🤷

[flat sun]

how much detail do you actually need to go into with e.g. Time = 500

most parameters work the same and just need a brief description of what they are

[flint vapor]

Time is an example of parameter that doesn't need much detail

Some parameters however have tags, like the tags parameter, or categories etc

And they need to have lists of things

I'm reworking the tags section right now to explain what each tags are for

But for example in inputs, you have such an example for the inputs tags

[flat sun]

i'm already feeling that inputs aren't a good candidate for this kind of thing

[flint vapor]

Yea

For the time parameter, sure yeah of course

[flat sun]

i don't think anything beyond a couple special case craft recipe blocks is unsuitable for that kind of documentation

[flint vapor]

Yes I agree

Most tags are most definitely very simple things

[languid kayak]

Huh, mystery solved it seems the place was indeed called "Crystal Pie Place" https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Pie_(1).png (Crystal's Pie Place in text), see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bug_Batterin' and first comment in https://www.indiedb.com/games/project-zomboid/news/bug-batterin too – not sure if that was a reference to someone for Easter eggs?

It seems the name was only visible in 1x tiles (at least that was the case in that screenshot)

Pinging @naive imp and @lucid junco with the info

also @proud cobalt and @ruby moss for the maps (as it seems the POI is technically correct): https://b42map.com/?11899x6851 https://map.projectzomboid.com/?desc=#11899x6851

I think we should move https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bakery_(West_Point) back then? Unless we want to assume the name is no longer the case after transtition to 2x tiles (though I think it might be just omission to be frank as 1x tiles predates signs and I think the canopy tile might been reused; maybe something to bring to TIS to potentially add back, especially just in case it was a reference to something/someone)?

[proud cobalt]

All the wallets are just Base.Wallet now. Others are Obsolete

[languid kayak]

so disambig will be for removal, and the regular wallet will get various icons/models I guess?

[proud cobalt]

No more disambig Wallet article already has the icons and models

[proud cobalt]

Time should probably be a disambig page that links to
*Time (craftrecipe)
*Controls#Time controls
*Game time

Ping @languid kayak and @digital helm seems like they missed your message too

[languid kayak]

btw, I added some YouTube parsing to the news script https://gist.github.com/Faalagorn/603e8a4666f3540b8eb92b05da275056/revisions – it's messy for sure but seems to work? Would probably be best to be adjusted, but works for now 😄

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Carpenter Fucking finally

[digital helm]

They've been merged now. Do we want to keep the history separate, on these pages, since the item IDs are different? I think that'd be simplest.
The 3 wallets all link to each other with {{About}} (all, male, female) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wallet
But may still be worth having the disambig page to them all, including the old pages?

[digital helm]

Good choice with the list. Having the tables would've been awful

[tulip kiln]

Yeah just wish there was some way to make it look neater but it's better this way than the insane bloat

[digital helm]

Only thing I'd probably suggest is remove the heading from the list. So you have a separate list per section, instead of all in one. Otherwise you get things like this

We can also increase the width to split into 3 columns if needed

[digital helm]

I'd go with what Calvy said and make it a disambig page. #pzwiki_editing message

[tulip kiln]

Remove em like this?

[digital helm]

Not quite. move the div to be inside the section.

[tulip kiln]

ah right

[digital helm]

Then add a close div </div> at the end of the section

[tulip kiln]

like that?

[languid kayak]

as in keeping the old pages as deprecated/removed? Do we plan on doing that? We had a brief discussion at, what I think, potentially removing those?

If so, then https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wallet_(disambiguation) is missing an explicit black one that'd have to be readded 😩

[digital helm]

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Teacup_(ceramic) - duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ceramic_Teacup (got renamed at one point)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Camo_Boonie_Hat_(camo_green) - duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Camo_Boonie_Hat
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowtie_(gold) - duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bowtie
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jacket_-_Suit_(colored) - duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jacket_-_Suit

I'd stick with the second pages and remove the first. @proud cobalt

[languid kayak]

With Wallet settled, that'd probably leave https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages with just the blog posts

(unless there's something else I missed there)

[digital helm]

Like this

==Building==
The carpenter occupation starts with the ability to construct the following [[Carpentry_(crafting)|buildables]]:
===Carpentry===
<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:400px; max-width:900px;">
*[[Log Stairs]]
*[[Wooden Door (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Doorframe (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Fence (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Fence Gate]]
*[[Wooden Floor (Advanced)]]
*[[Wooden Pole]]
*[[Wooden Wall (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Wall Frame]]
*[[Wooden Window Frame (Basic)]]
</div>
===Farming===
<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:400px; max-width:900px;">
*[[Butcher Hook]]
*[[Chicken Hutch]]
*[[Composter|Composter (Basic)]]
*[[Heckle Comb]]
*[[Large Plant Drying Rack]]
*[[Long Wooden Feeding Trough]]
*[[Ripple Comb]]
*[[Scutching Board]]
*[[Short Wooden Feeding Trough]]
*[[Simple Loom]]
*[[Small Leather Drying Rack]]
*[[Small Plant Drying Rack]]
</div>
===Furniture===
<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:400px; max-width:900px;">
*[[Crude Wooden Stool]]
*[[Crude Wooden Table]]
*[[Double Wooden Shelves]]
*[[Small Wooden Bookcase (Basic)]]
*[[Small Wooden Table (Advanced)]]
*[[Wooden Bookcase (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Chair (Advanced)]]
*[[Wooden Counter (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Counter Corner (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Crate (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Shelf (Basic)]]
*[[Wooden Table (Advanced)]]
*[[Wooden Table with Drawer (Basic)]]
</div>
===Miscellaneous===
<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:400px; max-width:900px;">
*[[Wooden Flashlight Pillar]]
*[[Wooden Sign]]
</div>
===Outdoors===
<div class="list-columns" style="column-width:400px; max-width:900px;">
*[[Chopping Block]]
*[[Rain Collector Crate (Garbage Bags)]]
*[[Rain Collector Crate (Tarp)]]
</div>

[languid kayak]

(which I might as there's 471 pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(blogs) and 482 in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages – so without 5 of these it'd be 477 🤔)

Anyway, I'm off to sleep now. As far as blog goes, I'll go through rest of 2013 and Janauary 2014 tomorrow, so that'd be most of the IndieDB (least the ones posted by Lemmy/Will there). In general beside the 471 ones in automated ones there's 58 more to add from Uncategorized/Modding/Community tags and Spiffo Roundups (not sure how many there are but only a few IIRC), plus maybe some 2013 website stuff or Facebook).

I'll probably try to get it more automated next though, so at least they can use a new infobox and maybe apply some fixes to the script's parsing

two more from the list at quick glance:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Dr._R._B._Mat,_DMD_Dentistry_Sign
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Barricade/zh-hant
(not linked anywhere)

[lucid junco]

(I found them, sorry for the ping Calvy and Faalagorn)😅

Doing the five alarm firehouse page now, any ideas if Chief's name is a reference to someone?🤔

The trophy display has no trophies in it

Truly immersion breaking

it also likeyle that the mannequins were supposed to have firefighter's clothes

since, you know

its firefighter themed

[lucid junco]

Who could it refer to

It could be anyone...

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Book_Naked
@naive imp @languid kayak Shouldnt it be called "book naked" in lowercase?

The logo is in all lowercase

[digital helm]

I'm not sure, since in that case this'd be "HUGO PLUSH" https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hugo_Plush

Here's what wikipedia does for reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss

Hugo Boss AG (stylized as HUGO BOSS)

[lucid junco]

Aight then

Im too fast

[languid kayak]

and Pepsi would be both 😄 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepsi @lucid junco

[lucid junco]

3/6th

@naive imp Would Sunderland Hills Sanatorium be considered as a Community type of building or Medical, or Commercial

[languid kayak]

actually, it's still wrong, should be called Palace, not Place 😄

Anyway, I added that to the page now https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bakery_(West_Point)&type=revision&diff=915379&oldid=648451

Should I move it now and rename then? @naive imp @lucid junco?

[languid kayak]

There were 4 Spiffo's Roundups btw 🙂

[lucid junco]

Im fine with calling it it Crystal pie palace though Im curious why tis had changed it

Maybe they just didn't notice

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Im a bit unsure on how we should go with plazas/shopping centers

Maybe having some sort of a note or remark that shows that the location is a part of a "X" plaza? 🤔

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @serene sage How should we call woodcraft guy?

He is referred to as "Woodcut", "Woodcraft" and "Notdean Doe"

Oh right, @quartz bear if you are free, Id like to get info about where pre-defined info can be found

[quartz bear]

good morning

what is pre-defined info

[lucid junco]

Some Randomized Stories now include this

[quartz bear]

okay

[languid kayak]

I'd say it'd be officially Notdean Doe 😄 Though obviously a reference to no one naming him properly

[lucid junco]

They cant keep getting away with this

[languid kayak]

inb4 theories that tutorial Jane Doe and Woodcut are related 👀

[languid kayak]

something definitely to mention in trivia though

[lucid junco]

Something like that

[languid kayak]

Actually, it was changed somewhere in between https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2014/02/drake-onian-measures/

This one here is with pink canopies

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Sharpgolden/sandbox @languid kayak @naive imp Sandbox see what I mean

It is for something that is not as big as a Crossroads or Grand Ohio(Topcrown Plaza, Acorn Plaza, Cardinal Plaza, ect)

[lucid junco]

maybe have them all under something like alias?

[lucid junco]

Reference usage may not work since </reference> can not be separated into two I think, so that we have this and "References" section

[lucid junco]

Bedandbreakfast?

[proud cobalt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bed_and_breakfast

The namesake of airbnb

[lucid junco]

Ooh, never thought about that 😄

[languid kayak]

Added simple prev/next parsing, parsing the whole blog posts to include community/modding/uncategorized/whatever would probably be better, but is overly complex (especially as that whole script is really messy): https://gist.github.com/Faalagorn/603e8a4666f3540b8eb92b05da275056

I finished adding 2013 posts btw; I may add few more by hand and then maybe go through the rest at a glance I think, as meticulously going through them all is taking quite some time and I'd love to at least have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages cleaned quicker. I'll probably add the Community/Modding/Uncategorized and links to IndieDB and then will move to adding what's missing from 2013 website, Facebook and Steam.

Then I'll be going through images at the last.

It will make all your uploaded compressed images unused @proud cobalt but I think we can live without them? I'll be adding them by hand and I'm pretty sure the newest posts at least had some of their files uploaded by Me, Vail, Roudrick and other contributors and would be nice to identify them and remove duplicates eventually. 🙂

That could technically be botted, but not sure I'm up for the task right now 🤔.

Also, images could be mass uploaded with your other scripts, Calvy, but not sure if I won't want to get through them manually eventually? Else I won't pick the deets (yeah, ton of theoretically needless work, but hey, at least I found about Crystal Pie Palace that way lol).

Getting rid of them would clean up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles too

[proud cobalt]

I have no attachment to them, rip them to shreds as you please. Cant use scripts or bot to upload or delete images, i just used msupload.

[digital helm]

I think so. A better name than "Bakery". I always wondered why the map project called it that

I imagine they probably wanted to reuse the tile

[digital helm]

I'd imagine Woodcut and Woodcraft are just an alias, and Notdean Doe is the closest to an official name, since that's his zombie's name

[digital helm]

There's nickname in the infobox https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_character

[proud cobalt]

Ok i'm not sure so asking for input. This is mostly pertaining to Protective gear. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Protective_Gear
Should we have the left and right versions of items as separate articles. Their display names are different, but their translations are the same, and they stack as one item in game. They do however have different body part coverings, and distributions. We merge reverse hats into the same article, but this feels different to me for some reason.
@languid kayak @digital helm and mix it up, @lucid junco has been active tonight

Unrelated, you can also see Vails update to the item list 😄

[lucid junco]

Id say no and merge the two

Mainly there is no reason for someone to look up separately left and right part of metal shoulder armor

Just as there no reason to have Fanny Pack Back and Front

[digital helm]

You can use group attributes for this. So <ref group="Note">Your note goes here</ref>
Then where you want to display and link to the note, add <references group="Note" />

Is that what you're after?

[digital helm]

Should we have the left and right versions of items as separate articles.
No (for most), most are identical in-game, and the player chooses where they want to place them. Similar to a cap, or fanny pack

The articulating one comes to mind that is different

[languid kayak]

Like with all other items, merging is better for the reader/average editor (I assume), separating is better for us (I assume)?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i think merging will be best. Better for reader, just a longer process. The bot is pretty good at handling multi id infoboxes now

[digital helm]

I'm looking at merging infobox data in the parser for this too. Body armor was the main reason 😄

[proud cobalt]

I've also been thinking about a disambig creator using the item dictionary

Just to simplify creating disambig for items with the same name that are seperate

[digital helm]

That'd be helpful. They can get overlooked when updating. If it were to update, it'd need to be careful not to delete stuff

[proud cobalt]

Yeah main purpose would just be for creation

Not even automated creation

[lucid junco]

Yeah, that works technically

Though how do I make them all reference single line, instead of creating new instances each time?

[digital helm]

Oh, use name for the ref tag. Make them all the same

<ref name="pondview_note" group="Note">Your note goes here</ref>

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I added one repeatable bot task https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Bot_tasks and clarified the category one just in case (http/https links; I mostly do that manually as I go through the blog posts, there's some in version history for sure too but also other pages).

Also, are we sure we can't reliably ensure there's a period after each mbox? I remember you mentioning that, if that's totally out of the scope of the task, maybe it's better to remove it?

Also, I remember we skipped adding . automatically for most of the templates as Vibrance noted that it's incorrect for Chinese (and potentially other languages), but maybe we can instead take another look at it and instead of having user to manually add . we can add various typographic characters based on the language? Should be doable.

Templates such as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:About still do add full stop automatically.

[serene sage]

I’ve never actually heard of “Notdean Doe”

[languid kayak]

There's not many edge cases tbf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_stop#In_other_scripts

[lucid junco]

@naive imp @languid kayak (and others that Im a bit hesitant to ping)
How should we go with info about info in Brenford's Quill Manor?

I had added Founded and Founder section to the infobox, but Im not sure how to add anything related to owners of the manor

Something like Owner would be appropriate, but we only have CEO and Founder in the infobox and they are not exactly fitting

[languid kayak]

I'd say use Founder for now, maybe we can adjust the template later. Or even use CEO and Founder and we'll rename them? Are these even used a lot?

[lucid junco]

Not sure about CEO, but founder is used

Ceo is used in Greene's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Greene's

[languid kayak]

Founder I know, CEO indeed may not be much, especially as they serve similar purpose I guess? Maybe merge them to one and have it called like "Key people" or "Related people"? Not sure how much NPCs will mess with us.

Like for example, will there be properties owned by a certain people/organization/group? Will houses have an owner (and some of them being predefined at game start?)

[digital helm]

Honestly, I think it's best to manually add . by the editor, as it's part of the sentence. Feels a bit silly having a translate arg just for .. The About template includes the entire sentence, so the editor isn't structuring the sentence like they would with an mbox.

[lucid junco]

I think Founder and Owner would be fitting for now

[digital helm]

Easy enough to add Owner as a parameter

[lucid junco]

Just asking what should we do with it

[digital helm]

Owner is best in this case imo, and in Greene's

[lucid junco]

It is generally more broad definition than just CEO

[digital helm]

Yeah, and CEO != Owner. Neither does Founder

[lucid junco]

I will change the infobox from ceo to owner then

[digital helm]

keep ceo, just add owner

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_location
Owner added

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Sharpgolden/sandbox That works

Though the "1" after the a bugs me a bit

But oh well, its fine

[lucid junco]

@naive imp@languid kayak (I really add you both a lot today 😅 )
Can you rate the idea? Currently plazas are not referenced anywhere on locations business page and this may be a way to add them in

[lucid junco]

https://https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pondview_Shopping_Center
Page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg#Businesses
Brandenburg businesses finished

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GigaMart#Trivia
Honestly the more I look at Omega Mart the more I see similarities

The theming of the logos are a bit similar

[languid kayak]

I wonder if we could replace this text https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?search="these+will+become+negative"&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=all&fulltext=1 with a template maybe? I think someone did that for reloading text. It would probably make updating the text easier, like this one: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Salami&curid=19139&diff=759621&oldid=733843

[flint vapor]

<@&671452400221159444>

[languid kayak]

btw @lucid junco these two I'm not removing as we might want to keep them for historical reasons:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:March_Ridge_Cold_War_Bunker_Brochure.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Louismall01.jpg

Let me maybe stick {{Archive}} for now

[lucid junco]

<@&671452400221159444>

Just for you, a 50$ gift on stean commrunity

100% not a key logger

[lucid junco]

Delete the first one, my plan was to just update the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Bunker_Flier.png and then move it to March Ridge Cold War Bunker Brochure.png so that old image stays

Otherwise Id have to download the old image, update the already up to date version, then reupload the current version of the image

[languid kayak]

okay, marked as duplicate then: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:March_Ridge_Cold_War_Bunker_Brochure.png – I guess that's what it was about?

[lucid junco]

Yep, so now I can move the Bunker Flier.png to March Ridge Cold War Bunker Brochure.png, keeping the old pic as a File history

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt does the updater script handle rotten food models? I noticed it removed one for a potato for example, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Potato&diff=886283&oldid=878541 I just added it back

[naive imp]

I don't think so. Corporation names are proper nouns and should thus be capitalized imo

[naive imp]

Like you, I'm not a huge fan of how the a 1 looks, but I don't see any harm in including information like that

I don't have any better ideas on how to display it either so 🤔

By the way @lucid junco you're fucking awesome for getting Brandenburg done. I'll get Irvington done this month and then I think that's all the new towns?

[lucid junco]

In towns - yes, in new locations-no

[naive imp]

Right

Just the big stuff

[lucid junco]

There is still dark wallow lake and Airport

[naive imp]

The airport I can already tell is gonna be a pain

But at lest the new towns will be finished

[lucid junco]

With an asterisk ofc

[naive imp]

"By the way, we didn't like x town, so we rebuilt it again"

[lucid junco]

42.5.2
"Oops, forgot to include the rest of Kentucky from the main update, new towns added including Fort Knox!"
"Also rebuild each town and city from the ground up"

Though there is a non zero possibility that we will be getting a new area around the currently "inaccessible" fort

[languid kayak]

@naive imp since you are there, I guess you saw the discussion about Crystal Pie Palace? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bakery_(West_Point)

I still did not move it, but at least we have an origin of the name 😄

Not sure if it was in the game t all, and if it was, at what times, but at least we have a devblog to back it

[naive imp]

That'd be cool

And more work

It never ends

[lucid junco]

It will never end

[naive imp]

I kinda skimmed it. If the sign is visible in b42 we should move imo but if not I don't think it's that big if a deal, maybe just add trivia or reference

[lucid junco]

When we will be done with adding in new businesses/updating business locations, it would be time for everyone's favorite mass image update

Then second best consistency name change for each image update

[languid kayak]

nah, there's no sign in b42, nor in b41. It was mentioned and shown on a screenshot back in 2013

https://pzwiki.net/w/images/5/5e/Pie_(1).png

[naive imp]

Eh I'd say we just include some reference or trivia then.

Open to feedback from others tho

[lucid junco]

A redirect that only wiki nerds will know about and Former names tag in the infobox?

[lucid junco]

On a serious note, I think I will need some sort of wiki role to not constantly have to mark for deletion every redirect moving a page creates

[languid kayak]

Trivia's there, I made a redirect from Crystal Pie Palace now too

(and Crystal's)

[digital helm]

This can be done, although it's a little more fiddly. I might make a template for this, which I've been thinking about doing anyway for the past year or so, just didn't have a use case 😄

[digital helm]

Not a big fan of using templates to generate entire chunks of text, personally. Especially if it's not going to need to be updated

[proud cobalt]

That was CalvyHuman actually, i replaced the infobox and didnt realise

[frail fossil]

Hello, I'm new to the server and I want to help with the wiki. How can I help you guys?

[proud cobalt]

Start here 😄
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[frail fossil]

Thanks!!!!

Um... I have read the rules and almost everything on the page... Do I have to ask here before making changes?

[proud cobalt]

Nope, as long as you edit in good faith (i.e. adding information based on fact) then go for it. We have some projects and stuff too based on the kind of articles you want to edit
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal

[frail fossil]

O.O

Ok then!

Thanks for the info man!

[proud cobalt]

Np, feel free to ask any questions here

[lucid junco]

I am the use case

[lucid junco]

Huh, I thought wikipedia had something like that without numbering them but nope

It still shows as ["X" [[number]]]

[digital helm]

I've put together a test template which removes the number and the square brackets https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5
Let me know what you think, and how the usage is and I can move it to an actual template.

I also want to add some styling so it highlights the note, but I'll add that if we're happy.

[languid kayak]

https://testing.gimp.org/news/2025/03/16/gimp-3-0-released/ - not yet released, but here are preliminary/deraft patch notes 🙂

[languid kayak]

speaking of, do we want asterisks? Maybe different characters such as crossess? What's usually used in books (esp. US ones?) or online publications?

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Note_(typography)#Numbering_and_symbols

In English-language typesetting, footnotes and endnotes are usually indicated with a superscript number appended to the pertinent block of text. Typographic symbols are sometimes used instead of numbers, with their traditional ordering being:

Asterisk (*)
Dagger (†)
Crossed dagger (‡)
Section sign (§)
Vertical bar (‖)
Pilcrow (¶)[2]

if we won't get more than 6 sections, I think it'd be preferred? If not then we can double them – would save some space and IMO look better I think?

though seeing a template it seems it's all up to the user to use the correct symbol 😄

Unless we will adjust the template to be used like

{{Footnote|1}} {{Footnote|2}} … or something liek that

and automatically change them to asterisk, dagger and so on

[digital helm]

The user can define it. But I think it depends. Asterisk if there's 2 or less (maybe 3?), otherwise numbers. Can't say I've ever seen anything other than asterisk and numbers in AU

It's user defined in case something else is wanted, such as [note1]. Concerned numbers could get mixed up with actual references

[proud cobalt]

Slowly working my way through the item list now, skipping containers/bags for now. Starting to merge armour items together

[lucid junco]

It:
Allows for regular references to still be used
Can be placed anywhere on the page
Looks neat
Can scale for extremely info dense pages(LV)

As long as we add in the info guide on how to use them, I say that its a go

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Gah, forgot about the Coalfield

Should we create a separate page for it?

[digital helm]

Excellent! I'll add it then

[lucid junco]

Wth guys, I thought you've finished everything in irvington

Also @thin cloud (And @naive imp ig)
There is a flyer for U.S Mail for seeking jobs at Ekron location and Irvington

There is a marked/signed location in Ekron, sure.

But the Irvington post office has nothing to indicate that its U.S mail related

While we could mark it automatically as a U.S mail service location, on basis that flier says that there is some location in irvington. I just like to be 100% sure

https://b42map.com?2443x14536
If you want to look at it on the b42 map

And no, flier doesnt show this location, only the Ekron one

[pure pawn]

looks so cool

[languid kayak]

first rule of the wiki

nothing's ever finished

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Laundromat#List_of_chains
This unnamed laundromat chain is overtaking Knox County

[flint vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

[digital helm]

Footnote template created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Footnote let me know if anything in the doc can be clarified

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp (And others)
Is "Map" on the infobox necessary anymore?

There is now an ingame map and we have interactive map coords

I get that it had its uses before those two things came around, but whats the point of having them now?

[tulip kiln]

It's good for some places like malls that got their own maps

[thin cloud]

You'd mark your resume with which job you wanted

Regardless of there being an office, the mail would still have to be delivered to the area

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I will mark it as an unaffiliated post office then

Thanks again Pat

[languid kayak]

Hard to tell, like you said it had its limited uses, but never was used much

[languid kayak]

while browsing older blogs, I encountered this; is this still a thing? https://youtu.be/BNROC9NEfvE?feature=shared

from https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2021/11/search-and-deztroy/

[languid kayak]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2020/06/22-halfinthebag.gif did we even get bags with TIS logo in game? From https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2020/06/dirty-boys/

[flat sun]

i've definitely never seen those

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages is now listing only non-blog pages, so something to take a look at defintiely

[languid kayak]

That pesky CalvyHuman at it again https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cabbage&diff=915633&oldid=904957 (added back btw 😛 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Cabbage&type=revision&diff=918171&oldid=915633

(same with Tomato and Radish)

[proud cobalt]

The four horsemen of the Farming.pocolypse

Good to know now that only the first models are included

[flint vapor]

Nice, this looks better I think

[digital helm]

Good use of it imo

[flint vapor]

Yea I spam that note template anywhere I can because there's some extremely important informations that users need to be aware of often in modding

[ember obsidian]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons#Spears

They have two different special insta-kill attacks when held in both hands:

• When zombies are 1.7 tiles or more away from any other zombie, requiring player timing and ideally a high spear skill.
• When sprinting, which results in a charge attack. This does have a noticeable cooldown animation and is unsafe to do in groups, though it may be performed into them, unlike the prior attack.

are these confirmed?
Sorry if this is not right place to ask :3 i'm curious

[flat sun]

yes, but the 1.7 tile stab attack didn't seem to be an instant kill anymore in b42 from what i played (which is good because it's part of why spears were so absurdly good in b41)

i don't know if the charge attack got nerfed too, i haven't tried it because it wasn't really good anyway

[ember obsidian]

yeah I asked because I couldn't find any clue of insta kill during 2 hours of code searching. not even about critical chance

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear

https://tenor.com/view/hog-rider-coc-clash-of-clans-gif-24053135

[ember obsidian]

please don't pull the fire into here

oops sorry wrong guy nvm

I thought you were who was in the b42 chat

[lucid junco]

Np

[ember obsidian]

the channel is hot now 🤣

[lucid junco]

Idk about that

Spear mechanic looks the same to me

[flat sun]

when i was using it it pretty frequently just knocked them to the ground alive

it looked kind of strange but it seemed like a reasonable nerf so i didn't think much about it

[lucid junco]

To be fair, this is lvl 10 spear

[flat sun]

i mean, your regular attacks are instant killing here too, so it doesn't surprise me that the special attacks are too 😅

i never thought they did less damage than a normal attack, just that they weren't guaranteed instant kills anymore

[lucid junco]

Oh I see what you are talking about

[lucid junco]

level 0 bitch

And the "Spearing" can also cause stumble

[lucid junco]

Id say that these requirements stay the same

• add in factors like Muscle strain, level, ect

Running thing is also affected

[ember obsidian]

thanks for sharing your time 🙂 so insta kill is not guaranteed in B42 anymore

am i right..?

[lucid junco]

Yep

Previously spearing and speed swinging was a guaranteed thing

But now your best bet is stumbling them over and finishing off

[ember obsidian]

yeah that's what I remembered :/

again, thank you for sharing your time to me sir 🙂

[lucid junco]

Could this make short blade not a supplementary to spears?

Nope

Go right back where you belong

https://tenor.com/view/trash-can-garbage-gif-25079925

[digital helm]

From what I can tell, the whole 1.7 tiles thing doesn't seem to be a thing anymore either, along with the insta kill. There's only 1.25 tiles. The only 1.7 tile reference for spears I can find is the required distance another zombie needs to be from the target zombie. If both conditions are met and using a spear, you get a bonus of 30 to the crit chance. It'll also use the animation Bob_AttackSpear01_Hit ("overhead") which is that quick stab you see in sharpgolden's videos. Normal attack is the swipe

This is from this block in CombatManager.class

float _float = IsoUtils.DistanceTo(isoGameCharacter.getX(), isoGameCharacter.getY(), isoPlayer.getX(), isoPlayer.getY());
isoPlayer.setVariable("TargetDist", _float);
int int1 = isoPlayer.calculateCritChance(isoGameCharacter);
if (isoGameCharacter instanceof IsoZombie) {
    IsoZombie isoZombie = isoPlayer.getClosestZombieToOtherZombie((IsoZombie)isoGameCharacter);
    if (!isoPlayer.getAttackVars().bAimAtFloor
        && _float > 1.25F
        && weaponType == WeaponType.spear
        && (
            isoZombie == null
                || IsoUtils.DistanceTo(isoGameCharacter.getX(), isoGameCharacter.getY(), isoZombie.getX(), isoZombie.getY())
                    > 1.7F
        )) {
        if (!GameClient.bClient || isoPlayer.isLocalPlayer()) {
            isoPlayer.setAttackType("overhead");
        }

        if (isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem() == null || isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem().hasTag("FakeSpear")) {
            int1 += 30;
        }
    }
}

Actually, you don't even get the crit bonus, right?

        if (isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem() == null || isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem().hasTag("FakeSpear")) {
            int1 += 30;
        }

[ember obsidian]

oh actually that's a weird thing when I saw a code

        if (isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem() == null || isoPlayer.getPrimaryHandItem().hasTag("FakeSpear")) {
            int1 += 30;
        }

Doesnt this mean
if -handitem is null- and -weapon is fake spear- then
??

I think they missed !

[digital helm]

Funnily enough the only item with the "FakeSpear" tag is the plunger, which also has the no criticals tag, so that's pointless right now

[flat sun]

|| means or

[digital helm]

yeah

[ember obsidian]

oops 😳

[digital helm]

still, so there's no bonus other than a different animation

[quartz bear]

good morning

what am i supposed to do

ok i see

i'll checj later

[lucid junco]

I still need a pre defined zombie outfit

[quartz bear]

wtf is a pre defined zombie outfit

[lucid junco]

These things

[quartz bear]

i have no idea what you want from me though

[lucid junco]

It seem to define the skin, hair and outfit, and I cant find out where this definition is

[quartz bear]

okay

i just bit my cheek and it makes me want to die

is that not here

[flat sun]

should be in media/clothing/clothing.xml

[quartz bear]

the weapon def is here

also a distribution table for the guy's loot

it's all in media, not in jaba

[digital helm]

Outfits should be on the wiki https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Woodcut_(outfit)
Only the hair (maybe skin?) gets defined in java iirc

[lucid junco]

The hair is what Im looking for

And skin color

[digital helm]

This'd be it then #pzwiki_editing message color is just rgb. You can multiply each value by 255

[lucid junco]

Since it isnt specified in clothing xml

[lucid junco]

Where is it in media?

[quartz bear]

in the

lua\shared\Definitions\HairOutfitDefinitions.lua

[lucid junco]

Now all I lack is skin color

[digital helm]

if it's not defined anywhere, it might just be a random skin

[digital helm]

skin index 1 isoZombie.getHumanVisual().setSkinTextureIndex(1); in the java story file

so, the lightest tone

This is in HumanVisual.getSkinTexture() and PopTempalteManager if you want to investigate/confirm

[tulip kiln]

peak male form right there

[digital helm]

the new chad

[tulip kiln]

severe scoliosis is so in fashion

[quartz bear]

Hope you get one soon

Being transparent probably sucks

[jolly crow]

Slap on the Roblox Chad png and you've got perfection

This one⬇️

[quartz bear]

I forgot what I was supposed to do

I'm gonna sleep

[flint vapor]

Wait, there's a way to link to Wikipedia pages right ?

I remember something like that

[languid kayak]

[[Wikipedia:Name on English Wikipedia|Name shown]]

[flint vapor]

Ah yea that's it thank you

[languid kayak]

@digital helm why are these duplicated? (4 parcels) IUs one name wrong, or are the models the same though avialable under different name? Can one be removed? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ListDuplicatedFiles

[digital helm]

Ah. Forgot about them when uploading. They'll need to be deleted and redirect to the duplicate. I'll have to check which are the main ones.

There's different WorldStaticModel names but use the same mesh and texture (mesh is technically different, but they've duplicated it too)

[serene oak]

first time chatting here but..

its kingpin

[tulip kiln]

oh my fucking god it is

[serene oak]

Lol glad we agree

[lone drift]

kingpin from spider man

[quartz bear]

I BIT IT AGAIN IN THE SAME PLACE

[quartz bear]

Third time

I'm getting braces I swear to God

[languid kayak]

I never got around to actually exporting models so I always just assume the names we have are correct but never check them (though I know they are all described in Style Guide nowadays) 😄

Anyway, so we have to basically decide which one's the "main" one and redirect the second one to it I guess as a fallback? Similar to what I did with item names (I think keeping redirect is beneficial if the names are like that in the game and models are the same; unless of course something changes in the game, like they use a different mesh/texture or remove one of them)

names are Parcel# Model.png and Parcel Size Model.png currently.

[digital helm]

It's because we have this. They're both the same mesh and texture, just a different name. I'll go with the size ones, since all the other parcels use that instead

    model Parcel1
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/Parcel_Present_1,
        texture = WorldItems/Parcel1,
        scale = 0.2,
    }
    model Parcel_ExtraLarge
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/Parcel_Present_1,
        texture = WorldItems/Parcel1,
        scale = 0.2,
    }

[digital helm]

mesh is technically different, but they've duplicated it too
This was something else. There's Parcel4_Text and Parcel4 which are identical iirc

[digital helm]

Deleted them/made redirects

[languid kayak]

I see you went ahead and renamed them, thanks 😄

Weird there's no https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Parcel2_Model.png

[digital helm]

Not sure what happened there... These were a PITA though. I had to redo them all about 3 times because there's so many parcel meshes

Looks like we had the same problem with the icons 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=File:Parcel_Large.png&redirect=no

[languid kayak]

yeah, I remember it; I think presents too? Or maybe I'm misremembering things

[digital helm]

Probably. Presents are doubled up. Both WorldStaticModel and mesh

[quartz bear]

what was i supposed to do again

spear

do i still need to do that

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Common_issues isn't this a too broad name @flint vapor? Wouldn't it pull people having common isues just playing/launching the game? Also pinging @digital helm for this

[flint vapor]

True

[digital helm]

Common modding issues would be better imo

[flint vapor]

yea

[quartz bear]

Didn't we use to have a Modding: section/category/namespace

Or was that reserved for Hydrocraft and I'm misremembering

[digital helm]

Something we've talked about, but never got. At one point we did have a "Mod" page which mods like Hydrocraft were a subpage of

[quartz bear]

#pz_b42_chat message
#pz_b42_chat message
lol at this couple

[quartz bear]

And from what I can tell you guys recently decided to "cut the funding" for mod pages in general

[digital helm]

wow

I was thinking of adding endurance mod for weapons, but I don't know if I will now

[digital helm]

Made it more "efficient". There's so many mods out there now, if someone adds them, who's going to update them?

Decided to only keep mods that have historical value, I think

How do you decide which get their own page, and which don't

[quartz bear]

If I was brutally honest I wouldn't let specific mods have their pages

Not under the main namespace

Users can have subpages for that purpose

[digital helm]

It can get messy quickly if it is

[quartz bear]

Mods are such a troubling problem for any game

[digital helm]

I feel sorry for whoever has to sift through all the bug reports

[quartz bear]

And Minecraft isn't even a good place to "inspire" from

Because some mods are documented on the official wiki and some have their own wikis

And like ok wtf now

[digital helm]

Yeah, best to stay away from it

Luckily we only had a handful which were outdated anyway. So easy to purge them

[proud cobalt]

Wouldn't take anything this guy says seriously... Within the span of an hour.

[quartz bear]

Fair point

[lucid junco]

I mean, if you combine all individual contributors, then yeah, it's likely more than a thousand

But active contributors amount is like, 7 people + @quartz bear

[quartz bear]

So I am not a person 🤔

hey, I had the first bot effort on pzwiki

..and the second one

old story but it happened

[lucid junco]

So you are not just a code goblin that lives in #pzwiki_editing ?

[quartz bear]

I mean

I am, since 2024-ish

in 2022 and 2023 I was contributing to pzwiki directly

but I am obsolete and I'm not good of a writer

[proud cobalt]

While you actively contribute to the wiki in discord for the sake of this reply you're not an active wiki editor

[quartz bear]

I will fix grammar on every page

one per day

that way you can't say I'm inactive

I WON'T MARK IT AS MINOR

[proud cobalt]

I would love that

[proud cobalt]

[quartz bear]

imagine not selfbotting lmao

[proud cobalt]

Tsk tsk

[quartz bear]

point stands

selfbotting goes hard

idk what CleanTalk is supposed to counter if me making a massive edit every 3 seconds is perfectly valid

[lucid junco]

🎉

Wait its almost a year now

Im getting old

Oh no

[lucid junco]

Hey, @thin cloud , resuming that convo just to be sure. So I couldnt test it at the time because I was already in bed (and completely forgot about it untill now), but U.S. Mail Service vans do spawn in front of this unnamed post office in Irvington

(talking about this post office)

Should I assume that this is actually a part of the U.S. Mail Service, or just a shortcoming of B42 not having differently themed postal vans(yet)?

[digital helm]

Imagine @languid kayak reviewing all the edits from a couple hundred people 😆

[proud cobalt]

Oh I had a look, since wiki conception 5,200 accounts made. I couldn't find any Stat of how many of those have at least 1 edit

[lucid junco]

Easy, just manually look at every page and write down the edits

[proud cobalt]

Big brain

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

Huh

For some reason, after the recent Zen update, I keep getting pop ups about leaving the page

Even though Im not

Not sure if its a pz wiki problem or zen problem

But it is annoying af

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington#Community_services
1/5th done

Excluding the post office for now

[languid kayak]

We had this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=Modding%3A&to=Modding%3B&namespace=0 – it wasn't a true namespace; I though of namespaces initially, but we're just having a name in (brackets) when there's two articles, otherwise they all are in main namespace. There's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Modding though

[languid kayak]

There are modding projects, but these are more about helping with modding in general

[languid kayak]

is that a reference to the credits?

[proud cobalt]

No someone complaining there wasn't a page on Pottery yet

[languid kayak]

but yeah, PZwiki was always understaffed kinda; https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers compare that to https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers for example

[languid kayak]

I still credit those 😄

(and I always have trouble deciding what's minor and what not; sometimes I just forget to (un)tick the checkbox too 😛 – I have them set as minor by default)

[lucid junco]

Have the same problem

and also the problem of "oh shit, forgot to edit info from the template page"

And some... minor spelling issues

🤏

[languid kayak]

I'm on firefox, though I didn't do much editing for a few days

[thin cloud]

You can assume it's Mail Service then

[lucid junco]

Hooray, thanks

[lucid junco]

We are like tis

Small team, and the first thing that comes up when you look up the wiki is why is it so shitty

||Maybe if people fckin contributed instead of yapping about it it would be more up to date and accurate||

I was actually thinking ahead of time

[lucid junco]

So ive screenshoted every vehicle that was added

Took only ~hour

@naive imp Curious how we can interpret some companies that have vehicles with locations on them

[thin cloud]

Solidarity, comrades

[flint vapor]

@languid kayak seems like there's an overlap with the Modding category again

Wait no nvm these are supposed to be here ?

Unless that's been there for a while lol

Yea nvm it's been there for a while

Hmm I think I'll try to put them in a new subcategory tho

It's kind of a mess

Wait I can't it's automatically generated. Would it be possible to take this into account @proud cobalt ?

To move these pages in a modding subcategory which would be called Mapping ?

Also fixed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Common_modding_issues

[languid kayak]

you mean room definitions? These were split because of the page size, yeah

[flint vapor]

I moved them

In the mapping subcategory

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak

Anyway

@thin cloud I dont know how, but Hobbs & Perkins flyer pic is outdated

And it has map editor(?) overlay

(Speaking of this flyer)

(How the current building looks in game)

[languid kayak]

yeah, is nice having it finally at 3 🙂

Was about to link the phoronix article back when it released, but the links are blocked 😛

[lucid junco]

@naive imp (and others)
So we have
Muldraugh:
Korshunov's car center

Riverside:
Kimbles Konstruction

Brewster & Harbin

JP Landscaping

West Point:
Penn S. Ham construction

March Ridge:
March Ridge Construction

Ying's Wood

Jones Fabrication

Rosewood:
Calloway Landscaping

Louisville:
Louisville Landscaping

Louisville Motors

Jorgensen and Sons Carpentry

And honestly, I have 0 idea to which businesses they belong to

There are no unnamed and fitting businesses in March ridge for example

[flint vapor]

For those of you who know the distribution system. Do you know the details and if so what do you guys think of this ?

[tulip kiln]

It's a business conspiracy

They're all fake businesses, money laundering operations clearly

[languid kayak]

I just through that I should someday assemble a list of telephones, similar to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Street_names

[proud cobalt]

Go for it

[digital helm]

That'd be helpful. Would've helped me about a month ago

[flint vapor]

Updated

updated again lol

[digital helm]

You've got ClutterTables and BagsAndContainers too. Not sure if you'd want to include that

[flint vapor]

Nah I won't, these are default settings

Also I had made that graph because the distribution system is dogshit

So I wanted to map a bit to have something cleaner

And figure out what worked in terms of coding distributions

[digital helm]

Looking at that diagram is like looking at the history of it. Seeing the new layers built on top of each other

I guess the ProceduralDistributions was an attempt to refresh it, but made it more complicated 😅

[flint vapor]

Yea basically

[frail fossil]

Guys

Am I the only one concerned that the south of valley station seems to be missing some important places? (the bait shop, hunting lodge, strip club)

Making websites on mobile is very difficult

[flint vapor]

wdym ?

Like in the wiki there's missing info ?

[proud cobalt]

These places are new, the focus is on the new areas at the moment

[frail fossil]

Ok

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to add them

[frail fossil]

But teh stripping club is new

[frail fossil]

It's too tedious to do it on phone

[proud cobalt]

Exactly, it's new so nobody has done it yet

[frail fossil]

Plus I'm running low on data

[proud cobalt]

I've done 10,000 edits on mobile

[frail fossil]

Shet

You are a madman bro

I respect you

[proud cobalt]

Ok i've added the relevant recipes to the skill pages, most of them are just in a crafting section at the bottom of the page for now. Formatting and page expansion to come later.

But now if you go to a page like pottery at least you can see how to get XP and what you can make
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pottery#Crafting

This also comes with a small update to the recipe output script in the parser @digital helm

[digital helm]

Thanks. I'll take a look when I can and see if I need to fix anything

[lucid junco]

It really is

90% of businesses on cars don't exist in game

@proud cobalt Why were many (month, mond, thursd) oids and other blogs deleted?

I thought Im going crazy, but nope

I cant find anything in the #pzwiki_editing to justify it 🤔

[proud cobalt]

It wasn't in this channel. It was a request by TIS

[lucid junco]

I see that it was a request but any reason to why it wasn't announced or something

[proud cobalt]

No reason in particular, it was kind of a background thing as they wern't priority with B42 out now

We can keep the old ones Faal put significant work into

[lucid junco]

Wdym old ones, blog post preservation and compilation was a part of project history

[proud cobalt]

The 2014 and before ones afaik. Apparently its a significant issue with Google and SEO so will no longer be part of project history

The majority of recent discussion with TIS has been about getting the wiki upgraded and lua. This fell through the cracks

[lucid junco]

Plug it back in then, or give me, project History leader, some proper reasoning to why my project is tempered with w/o my notice

Maybe Im making a too big fuss over blogposts only 3 people care about, but thats a bit of a spit in the face for me

[proud cobalt]

Again it wasn't our decision. @languid kayak fought to keep all of them in the end was allowed to keep the ones that weren't available or had significant work done. @digital helm made a template for the videos. I myself made the script and got them all online. We've all lost work here. I apologize that you wern't looped in, i think we were all just frustrated at the outcome

If there were any you put significant work into i didn't know about i will personally undelete it, as far as i knew everything in the autogenerate blog category was mostly untouched

[lucid junco]

||No offense to you though, you likely weren't doing it under your own volition, so I can't be mad towards you||

[lucid junco]

Likely I hadn't, apart from maybe the old IndieDB ones

[proud cobalt]

They should still be up
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:News_(IndieDB)

[lucid junco]

Its just that some shady shit is going on again without proper warning or publicity, I don't care all that much about blogs that were mostly available on tis website

[proud cobalt]

It's not intentional, there's lots of discussion recently to make the wiki better. At the end of the day being an official wiki they get the final say

[lucid junco]

A second time in a b42 when an attempt to make something "better" just feels like a spit in the face from my previously beloved dev team

At least they should've made a proper explanation and some form of announcement

[lucid junco]

Fuckin hell... anyway

Knob creeck is back

[digital helm]

Admittedly there should've been more communication about it, and for that I apologise. As Calvy mentioned it was because having duplicate content severely affects SEO. Meaning it could potentially result in unofficial websites being served higher than the official one, which could create issues like we had with "Project Zomboid on mobile". Official statements like that could get drowned in all the unofficial stuff.
We can keep the old blogs, such as those on the old forum and indiedb.
Again, sorry that this wasn't more public.

[lucid junco]

Alright, thats a proper explanation. There were definitely more ways to deal with this than just nuking everything. Naturally Im still a bit grungy about it, but its fine

[languid kayak]

Even the Penn. S. Ham is involved?

[languid kayak]

That should probably go to the wiki, if it didn't already make it?

(well, the one below that :P)

[languid kayak]

yeah, was going to announce it, but basically for SEO reasons it's best not to duplicate them, but we kept the ones up to Jan 2014. I'll yet to have to announce it to the project history (and then a summary), but I only finished removing the leftover images yesterday 😛

OTOH, no ETA when but the broken images on older posts should be fixed eventually, so instead we can link to these when needed with the [[zomboidweb:]] interwiki link.

[languid kayak]

yeah sorry, it was me going through them all, and some background discussion was like Calvy said when we were disussing other things; basically yeah, blame Google's SEO for that. There's an idea to linking to the old ones to the wiki instead of website, but can't say if/when/how it goes with that

[languid kayak]

all the old IndieDB are backed up 🙂

I'll go through them once again too, as the category Calvy linked is not complete; will add some links to 2011 and 2013 website too and maybe make a list to see if we can get the images that aren;t available on web archive

[flint vapor]

Possibly

I have to see more in the detail some parts

But I thought about explaning the loot generation for the left branch, which I didn't explain in the procedural page

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Procedural_distributions

And even that page now has some outdated bits