pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

Awesome work! Looks real good. I did eventually want to get to the body location template too. But I have no idea what to even do to it

[digital helm]

Might need to look at scrapping it and replace it with a body part template. Body location is really only related to the model and acts like a 'slot'

I could put together a script for that. Already have it working for the clothing list

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I think the idea was to pretty much Recreate it with that purpose

[digital helm]

Might look at it tonight actually

[proud cobalt]

Been some real good work by some new editors lately. Particularly on animals. Glad someone was able to get to it

[digital helm]

Really nice to see. A lot of new stuff to learn there

[proud cobalt]

I've taken a couple hours over the last few dayd to just play, Die, adjust sandbox settings, and repeat 😂

[digital helm]

It's a different beast without mods too

[proud cobalt]

Oh I know. Some of my QOL mods got updated. I miss my vehicles though

[languid kayak]

does the game differentiate between Armor and not? If not, I think I'd be better to just sort it by armor "slot", so people can pick the best-in-slot item for their use case (at least that's how I always used this table and what I did rework in mind with; previously barely anyone knew what layers can be worn with together)

As far as backpack sprayer I think it uses a separate slot? Though I have to say, I barely had occasion to play the game yet and only early game and I didn't even fiddle with debug yet 😄

[languid kayak]

neat 🙂 I think the remaining pre-b42 stuff from tasks would be good to go.

Will take me some time to catch up with the real b42 stuff 😄 So far I mostly patrol new stuff (which is nice, we got so many new editors), and modding finally getting love, plus sharp busy with the new locations right now it seems 🙂

(and lore-y stuff)

[languid kayak]

I mostly miss mp to play with wife properly on kb+m 😄 I played on a controller, took me a while to figure why I can't attack (turned out it was a setting on steam controller that made it unable to I had to change)

[digital helm]

It doesn't. I just chucked them in there since I was starting to confuse myself. The problem is all the different body locations which overlap with other body locations. E.g. ShoulderpadLeft can't be equipped with FullSuit, Back, FullTop, ShoulderHoster, etc.
I can definitely just go with their own sections.

Backpack sprayer takes up the same slot as backpacks Back, same with the SCBA

Also, I ended up removing jewellery since there's a few new items that go on the neck that aren't jewellery. Game doesn't differentiate between jewellery.
I combined scarf and neck too, since there are now scarves that have the neck body location. Kept them all in accessory though

[languid kayak]

yeah, we had overlapping locations before, just not to this degree. Maybe it'd be just best to just make one table for one location then? Seems the most sane idea, then just describe in text which colide.

Or maybe we can somehow visualize the colliding areas? That's something I'd love to have documented.

I'll probably sink deeper into it on gameplay, as tailoring was the most liked addition of mine 😛

Right now I'm too focused trying not to die 😄

[languid kayak]

Back in b41 there was some distinction actually, it just wasn't so obvious, is that jewelery/accessories didn't accumulate the blood. Categories were sometimes messed, and so were the inspect window presence for accessories.

[languid kayak]

so scarves and neck jewelry can't be worn together now?

[proud cobalt]

My 2c, one table per location. We have no idea what they're going to add next. It's already so hard to make sense of their locations. Unless we come up with a better solution/Template

[digital helm]

That's a lot of sections and tables. Each table we add increases the load time a fair bit. Currently sitting at about 12 seconds for me.

Not sure what you mean by colliding areas

[digital helm]

That's just because they don't have a BloodLocation defined (body part), because they give no protection

[digital helm]

I think they can still be worn separately. But there are some items with "scarf" in the name

Also, there's over 100 body locations now

[languid kayak]

overlapping/conflicting, that'd probably be a better word, yeah 😛

[proud cobalt]

Oh that makes a difference

[digital helm]

Added earlier today https://pzwiki.net/wiki/BodyLocation

[proud cobalt]

Oh... That is a lot

[digital helm]

We can come back to it once we get a chance to play around with the game a bit more. I put armor at the top since it might be what people are most interested in for now

[languid kayak]

oh, that's nice! Something to point to definitely.

BTW, you said I can't modify the table as it's autogenerated, but are we gonna modify the description by hand or in script?

[digital helm]

The only thing the script does is the tables and sections. This https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_2

[languid kayak]

The only problem with the autogenerated pages is inability to do so from the mediawki directly 😩.

Unless we indeed get some extra functionality to just edit the sources there

btw, I doub there's any chance between CantHaveHoles - and False? Or is the default true?

[digital helm]

We could go with using bot flags. But right now it's just copy pasted from a txt file that's autogenerated. Which is a lot easier than manually editing each section separately 😄

[proud cobalt]

- is for not given, which defaults to not being able to have holes. The only options are really - and True

[digital helm]

I was going to look at that more. And use a tick/check or cross

[proud cobalt]

A tick cross system would work well though, easier for users

[languid kayak]

would be nice if the script files were consistent in one way or another btw 😄 But yeah, having a fallback is important too

[digital helm]

I think default is actually true iirc

[proud cobalt]

You're probably right actually, makes more sense to only define what cant have holes

[digital helm]

consistency? No way 😄

[proud cobalt]

When you have 2,000 items that can have holes and like 200 that cant

[languid kayak]

what are exclusive and hidden locations btw?

[digital helm]

exclusive = can't equip them both at the same time
hidden = model is hidden when equipped

[languid kayak]

I expected something like that, thanks! Probably best to put it into that page

[digital helm]

I originally had this

;Location: BodyLocation
;Exclusive locations: BodyLocation that it cannot be equipped with
;Hidden locations: BodyLocation models that will be hidden when equipped

But ended up with this
The below table shows a list of all body locations, exclusive locations, and location models that are hidden when equipped.

[lucid junco]

Honestly feels like project locations is worked on mainly by me

[languid kayak]

, and location models that are hidden when equipped.
and here's me not realizing what I read 😄

Yeah, first is probably more clear

and not really have to be short with this one

[digital helm]

Feel free to change it. Just wanted a way to introduce the table, and ended up with including it there

[lucid junco]

But thats probably because most of the contributors had moved on to other projects, which is fair

[languid kayak]

Think will want to get on it when he's feeling better, other than that, pretty much yeah 😄

Though there are edits here and there I have to clean up a little.

So far the most confusion seems is people adding Build 42 secions, while we have oldid for build 41.

Will take a while

[lucid junco]

@primal remnant had done some contributions recently

[digital helm]

It was the same thing with b41. I think people just don't know what to do. So add the new info there so someone else that knows can fix it. I don't have any issue with that

[proud cobalt]

I'd rather fix it than not have it. Just cleaned up a bunch of those animal articles. Though they could use some more

[lucid junco]

(In actuality Calvy was the biggest contributor with his map)

[digital helm]

Like farming, they're a bit harder and take longer to test. Farming at least has good debug options now

[lucid junco]

Id probably still be overwhelmed with additions if the map didn't exist

[proud cobalt]

Hey I fixed some of the new towns too

[solid pond]

Ayo! can I offer my help editing the wiki? Particuarly the items > food space? I'm working on a mod that extends out the variety of vanilla foods, so I'm already in this space, compiling information.. I might as well make myself useful for you guys

[proud cobalt]

Of course, anyone can contribute. Do you have any experience editing wiki before?

[solid pond]

none, but willing to learn

[primal remnant]

Only a smidge of adding on, text wise. Still studying Echo Creek for the time being

Maybe I should take notes instead of relying on memory alone lmao

[proud cobalt]

No problem. Helps us guage what you need to know. Here's the start of our help pages. It covers the basics about the wiki, and some basic style and formatting. Then you can edit anything you want to help with. We do have community projects which can be a good place to start. Our B42 project has some info on clothing, though we're all still trying to process what actually needs updating.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update

Otherwise any other help, feel free to ask

[solid pond]

thank you, I'll have a read and get started when I can ☺️

[languid kayak]

yup, I don't mind either. Just will take my time before I move into something bigger I guess 😄

[lucid junco]

Hey, additional unpaid intern is better than no unpaid intern

Its just like real wikipedia

[languid kayak]

I often point people to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Community_portal - it has links to everything else. Food isn't part of any project, I'm not sure if @digital helm isn't working on autogenerated table similar to clothing, if not then the manually-updated one from build 41 is here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Food

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list is list of all items, including food too these are automatically generated but see also have to be adjusted and some human description added. Some may have remnants of b41 info which is not accurate.

Keep in mind we're all adjusting to the changes too, so some things may change, in particular crafting we will not spend too mcuh time in case it will change a lot internally soon™

[digital helm]

Planning on autogenerating food, yeah. I already did nutritional values https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritional_values but separating them into sections is a bit more complicated, especially because the game doesn't use food types to the degree we do

[languid kayak]

Not sure what's other opinion, but I think we can part with some of the artificial food types, especially as they don't have much effect in game – at leas that's my opinion

Though I can guess that some people, especially on mp would like to create fitting dishes so I may be wrong 😄

[digital helm]

I think it's nice organising it into real world categories, but I'm not attached to it

[lucid junco]

https://youtu.be/oZaPs5XE2L4?t=2m57s

Huh

Didn't notice that

[digital helm]

Surprised that was found so quick. Especially without a map

[digital helm]

41 unique body part combinations. Which means we need 41 images 😩

might not get it finished tonight. But I've got the data generated

[languid kayak]

that's the covered body parts, right? The ones that apply bonus to protection/warmth/insulation?

[digital helm]

yeah

although there are 17 parts. So probably not that bad

[languid kayak]

has that changed since b41? I think we didn't get new parts?

or did we?

[digital helm]

Nah, no new parts, just the combinations. Before there was no item that was just left shin, for example

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense we didn't need it then, aside from maybe a mod that could use it

[solid pond]

thank you

[digital helm]

@languid kayak @proud cobalt Body part template pretty much set up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Body_part

[proud cobalt]

Looks really good, might have been said before, but is this replacing body location?

[digital helm]

Yeah. Body location doesn't really mean anything. or at least doesn't need an image

[languid kayak]

looksreally neat 🙂

And yeah, no really need for the two templates imo

[digital helm]

Made some more changes to the clothing article. Added missing items, like webbing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing#Belts and back items https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing#Back. This means we now have some containers here

[lucid junco]

Damn

Final version of the church looks a bit sadder than a teased one

so much greenery was removed

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh_Police_Department page created

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Muldraugh#Commercial

Businesses are up

All community businesses are updated

Others will take a bit

[flint vapor]

Any easy tools that exist to get tables in file formats as Wiki tables ?

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Keyboard

Added a table to this page, if you guys can tell me if I should handle that differently

[languid kayak]

someone got a playground though

[languid kayak]

what do you mean, there are tables that are not wikitables? Wiki understands HTML tables, too.

[flint vapor]

No like I have a CSV for example, to quickly format it into a wikitable

If there are tools for that which exist for the wiki

[quartz bear]

please never remove the old theme

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[quartz bear]

I don't like the new pzwiki theme

[quartz bear]

you mean something like this?

[flint vapor]

Sort of

[flint vapor]

What theme ?

[quartz bear]

the new one

[flint vapor]

._.

Whatever

[quartz bear]

Citizen is the name

I prefer Vector legacy <3

[lucid junco]

Oh shit

Bakery got deleted

[quartz bear]

The businesses still operated at playtime, you just didn't know that

And while you were away, they signed a deal to merge the 2 businesses into one

And also merge the building

Real theory.

[lucid junco]

And remove the baking

[quartz bear]

Uhh yes

[quartz bear]

What does "sort of" imply here

[lucid junco]

Matpat levela of theory

https://tenor.com/view/game-theory-game-theory-its-just-a-theory-game-theorists-gif-20883020

[flint vapor]

A script yes, but if it already exists for Wiki editors

[quartz bear]

well I just wrote one

is that not enough

[flint vapor]

No that's absolutely not what I needed lol

[quartz bear]

well then you have to repeat yourself with more details

[flint vapor]

I got a csv of data, needed a tool to directly style it in wiki table

[flint vapor]

Which I did already

[quartz bear]

and what does my script do

[flint vapor]

What's going here lol, leave me alone wtf

[quartz bear]

bruh

i guess trying to be helpful isn't real

[flint vapor]

I just don't get why you're forcing so much on it

Thanks, but I meant an already existing tool for us to use

If it's just about writing a script ourself, I already did that

[languid kayak]

probably there is something, but I don't know of any; should be doable with a script and I think alluseri posted one just right after 😄

[flint vapor]

Yes, that's the whole point of the conversation here

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Should we update all unnamed corner stores/grocery stores?

I think you said that we will try to just have them as a part of a "Unaffiliated" section in the main Grocery store page

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed 😄

The format is simple, so I don't think much people bothered writing a tool really

[flint vapor]

Guessed so yeah, tho since you seem to have big tables that you update automatically, figured there might be something already existing

[quartz bear]

back when i worked on relookup i built all the tables manually

no idea how they do it nowadays

[digital helm]

Nothing existing. Just haven't had the need. The automated tables are all built manually, so it never gets converted to csv

[flint vapor]

👌

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor I'm a bit tired, and going off to sleep now, and patrolling all the new stuff will take me a while, but I'm not straight up removing the mod creation page yet, as per https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mod_creation&diff=752853&oldid=752737 – are these all truly moved? I find the folder layout at least handy, and I don't seem that in modding?

Here's the last oldid in case anyone's wondering: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mod_creation&oldid=752737

[flint vapor]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Folders_structure

Sorry it can be a mess but I think I found a good workflow for the modding Wiki now

So some pages were created for nothing, but that should be the last of it

Folders structure already existed, wasn't too sure about that page at the time, but now that I've got an image of how things can be and should be organized random pages appearing and needing to be deleted a week later will probably not happen anymore

Folders_structure is linked in the Modding page

There's a looooot of stuff that will keep coming in tho, got one big page coming up which took me the day of testing various stuff in the game, it's not that massive but yeah, it's detailed

[digital helm]

I've gone back and forth with how to organise things on the wiki several times, so don't stress about changing your mind and feel like you're stuck with a specific way of doing things. We're happy to delete and move things if it's for a better end result

[flint vapor]

👌

[proud cobalt]

Vector legacy will never be removed. At least no time in the near future. It's included in the vector package that mediawiki uses as default afaik

In saying that, Vector22 has replaced vector legacy as the default mediawiki skin, even for wikipedia. So there will be discussion when the wiki updates versions about the default skin

[proud cobalt]

The entire navigation and categories project was having discussions on changes until literally the day it was finished.

[digital helm]

And now we're never changing our mind jk

[digital helm]

Not going anywhere. Pretty sure it's bundled with mediawiki. Same with monobook

[flint vapor]

Big modding page
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_Options

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Body_location

Now i have to figure out a way to add the new ones

[digital helm]

Maybe we should've included a bot flag, so it can be updated?

[proud cobalt]

Updating isnt an issue, ive got regex to identify the template. It's more adding it to pages that dont have it, and removing it from pages that dont need it

[digital helm]

I assume check for the body part heading and if there's not a txt file for the item, remove it? If there's no heading but is a txt file, add it above a specific heading

Not sure how this works with the bot tbh 😅

Should I include a dummy item_id parameter? In case we have merged items

[proud cobalt]

I cant think of any that would be different? It just goes off the first itemid right now

[digital helm]

Poncho comes to mind

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Poncho_(yellow)#Body_part

[rotund echo]

Crap, that place has a zombie heatmap now smh

Well at least Valley Station's heatmap isn't as insane as before, but my God look at the fence

[proud cobalt]

Oh fair. Hmm

[proud cobalt]

I think the heatmap is less of a heatmap and more of a zombies can spawn here atm. Probably needs to be looked at by champ but there's other priorities

[proud cobalt]

Simple, i'll just search for any that still have an = in the template, then take that list of pages and remove the lines that have the header and template

Then the next time updater goes around it will fix the double empty line

[rotund echo]

Hey, Build 41 Valley Station was legitimately cancerous, I got irl exhaustion playing in Valley Station

This "heatmap" of sorts still shows me things are getting better for the place

[languid kayak]

Thanks! And yeah, don't worry about changing your mind 🙂 It just will take me a while to catch up to your changes, especially as I may have slightly limited time now, and you added a lot so better for me to ask 😄

[flint vapor]

Yea I'm cooking a lot of pages lol

[proud cobalt]

Not too shabby 😄

[primal remnant]

hm... is there a single funeral home in all of project zomboid? im surprised i havent stumbled across one

[proud cobalt]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12605x3364x13228

[primal remnant]

oh neat! labeled as a church though 🤔

[proud cobalt]

For standardisation

[primal remnant]

ah, fair enough

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sunset_Pines_Funeral_Home

500$ for a casket?

This is a robbery

[proud cobalt]

Thats pretty cheap

[proud cobalt]

Is that the wrong building?

[lucid junco]

Is it?

[primal remnant]

looks about the same to me. though it might have gotten a glow up in b42

[proud cobalt]

Maybe not, the roof just looks weird

[primal remnant]

...who builds a building like that

[lucid junco]

Technically yes

Its an old screenshot

another one to the collection

[primal remnant]

honestly that IS a little better. at least it's not just an empty concrete square

[lucid junco]

Look, its a funeral company

No wonder they can only build tomb/casket like buildings

[proud cobalt]

@lucid junco

[lucid junco]

[proud cobalt]

If you add ?XxY to the end of the private link it should work
?13944x5830

You can also define zoom, but it defaults to 7 which i think works well

XxYxZ

[rotund echo]

Uh oh

You reminded him of C###s###d# Mall

Don't you dare remind me of T##c###n P###a tho

[lucid junco]

It does

Now all thats left is to make the same thing with https://b42map.com/

[proud cobalt]

Sick, thats one step closer to POIs

[proud cobalt]

That's just a matter of copying the file over, but it needs much more testing

[proud cobalt]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/tffyYHWFE8

@lucid junco does copying being a link make it harder for you?

[lucid junco]

PZ reference

[quartz bear]

Are you sure

[lucid junco]

100%

Its says right there

Fort knox

[quartz bear]

https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/فورت_نوكس

[proud cobalt]

Nah pz reference

Happy new year Wiki editors. What a year it has been

[digital helm]

Happy new year! Thank you everyone for a great year on the wiki. Easily the most productive year in its history.
No matter how minor your edits, it's all helped get us here 🎉

[quartz bear]

uh

this is my only contribution this year

"Start working" -> never finished

[dry robin]

You've been working hard that's for sure!

[flint vapor]

Oooh so you link wiki pages to the map ?

[proud cobalt]

Right now the coordinates template still links to the original map. At the very least this should help people charge locations in B42, and get location coordinates for editors. It would need some more testing and discussion if we were to change the template to it

[lucid junco]

Honestly dont feel that new year cheer at all rn

Still, happy new year to those that do

[proud cobalt]

Haha don't worry I'm just working, no change for me except maybe a little more busy. But it's cool to look back on the past 12 months and see the difference on the wiki

[lucid junco]

You know what really pz lacks?

[primal remnant]

not funeral homes im guessing

[lucid junco]

There isnt even a single arcade throughout the whole county

[primal remnant]

hmm, i know ive seen arcade machines but not any dedicated arcades.

[lucid junco]

Its weird that there are no dedicated penny arcades in the game

[dry robin]

Let's be honest, we'd all end up just clearing them out and playing them all all day hah!

[rotund echo]

Electrical XP heaven

[languid kayak]

Wanted to say Happy New Year too! Seems that I missed your timezone by a couple of hours, we european still have a few hours left of 2024 😄

[serene sage]

funny how I just woke up and some people on the planet are already in 2025

[proud cobalt]

Feel free to! Time zones got lucky for us

[lucid junco]

Its 2025 at 8+ timezones rn

[primal remnant]

man, antlers are so freaking confusing... you need them to make a knapping tool, but the code insinuates that you get antlers from a decorative wall item. i even tried killing a stag and getting the antlers that way but it didn't work. >_> hopefully that's not intended

[serene sage]

what horrendous borders these time zones have

when will the devs patch them and actually draw them evenly?

[lucid junco]

New patch just dropped

Kazakhstan is now entirely +5 timezone

[lucid junco]

We were probably playing too good so devs decided to give us permanent natural clock offset debuff

[languid kayak]

we're still 20 mins from patch 20.25 here

but happy New Year in advance too, was indeed a ride!

[serene sage]

this isn't fair, why are they regionlocking the patch?

must be the evil corporation that bought the Earth studio a while back

[digital helm]

At least they're not like the Mars studio and take nearly twice as long to release an update

[gleaming loom]

2025 here

[gleaming loom]

love this map lol, makes me chuckle

[proud cobalt]

Not shown: UTC +8 3/4

[proud cobalt]

Here's a better one

Daylight saving makes things really weird here

[serene sage]

isn’t it already weird

like people die from it

supposedly

[proud cobalt]

Nah it's pretty normal

[rotund echo]

PRC (all of it is +8)

+14 timezone existing somehow

[past glacier]

Happy New Year to our PZ partners! Here is to another year having fun!

[proud cobalt]

Happy new year! What a busy year it has been you you guys 🎉

[past glacier]

It has been wonderful we are so grateful!

[rotund echo]

I didn't expect to find you at theindiestone.com xD

[rotund echo]

Ngl they really need to update traits & occupations further (https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/76931-42-further-trait-and-occupation-balancing-new-additions/)

Honestly, you managed to capture exactly what I meant and what I wanted. I want to be creative, man, roleplay!

I find the 41 traits system exhausting because of the lack of variety, its why I am a big fan of SOTO mod (which the author still hasn't update lol)

I also want to see some more interesting occupations that don't necessarily have to do with blue collar manual labor, maybe add a bit white or pink-collar jobs to spice things up! xD

[proud cobalt]

Could it be 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[digital helm]

item list template may need some work 😩

@proud cobalt do you think we should modify the bot text for foods?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Salami&curid=19139&diff=759621&oldid=733843

[proud cobalt]

Ehh, i can see both ways. Would only effect new food articles, which are unlikely at this point

[dry robin]

"Oh no it's just temporary"
They say to me x3 hehe, I'm getting you are havin fun tho!

[proud cobalt]

Gotta give the people what they want

[dry robin]

Very true, the work is never over

[lucid junco]

No more shitty/Misleading poi?

[proud cobalt]

Just a whole round of new ones 🙂

[lucid junco]

Guess they will be server admin sided?

[proud cobalt]

Sorta, you can add them if you go to the private domain/debug.html but only while i have hte back end running. But please dont at least right now 😆

@lucid junco Where are all the bunkers, i've got the march ridge one

[lucid junco]

Military research facility one is probably also a part of the same building... so Jamieton's is the only one left

https://b42map.com?5579x9374

[proud cobalt]

Ty

[lucid junco]

(Holy shit was I a bit panicked when I thought that I had shared the private map link)

[lucid junco]

There is also a Bruhndenburg (temporary) bunker https://b42map.com?1948x6141

There is also Ekrons part bunker part teaching facility in the basement https://b42map.com?742x9826

Hm..

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[proud cobalt]

Dunno what youre talking about 😉

[dry robin]

I'd coming along nicely !

[lucid junco]

Yeah.. that quite an unusual farm

But Ive heard that the pigs in the barn are quite happy

[proud cobalt]

Man performance in Louisville is not great

[dry robin]

On the map or in game?

[lucid junco]

Both

[dry robin]

Hmm..

[lucid junco]

My pc cannot handle lv even without zeds lmao

[proud cobalt]

I will add a hide poi button

[lucid junco]

And map cant handle the poi with those 5 second loading times

[dry robin]

Doubt we can do much on our side without the Devs pushing some polish but it's the first builds so kinda expected
The map though is interesting considering it's pre rendered

[lucid junco]

That was also the case in b41

https://b42map.com?8346x11609
Another temporary shelter under rosewood school

[primal remnant]

is it really that surprising there's shelters in these schools? i thought kentucky has tornadoes

[proud cobalt]

Remove POI button added

[languid kayak]

I bet you had ideas already; like cutting the name with … and showing if after, or letting editors pipe the name to show (in this cake just "Cooking I" for example

[digital helm]

I'll have to remind myself how it functions, but both of those should work

[proud cobalt]

As always, pushing to b42map

POIs should now be live

[languid kayak]

I believe you imported existing POIs from the b41 map, right?

Would it be possible (maybe in the future) to import POIs from the wiki somewhow? I believe our lists and names are more maintained; would be nice to have these finally aligned 👀

[proud cobalt]

The issue is, we dont need a POI for every location. If you scroll around LV for a minute you'll quickly figure out a couple reasons why

But i have some cool ideas for POIs, which would involve renaming them back to their shop names

I would probably scrape the wiki infoboxes for that

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄 Would need a system to update both I guess, or maybe just a script to scrap the data from the wiki and update the ones that are on the map I guess?

Also, something for the future that would be nice, would be to link POIs on the map to the actual wiki pages

[proud cobalt]

Maybe i could have a link with a query to a POI id? it would be something like b42map.com?poi=XYZ and would find that poi's coordinates and pan to it. That sounds very possible

It's just that the IDs arent public yet, i dont have any concerns with them being public, its just aesthetics

[rotund echo]

Man, I could handle Louisville downtown back in Build 41, hell I shot up the Louisville PD and my game did not freeze, stutter, or suffer frame drops in any way.

But now, Topcrown has doubled in height, and Bateman has quadrupled

[digital helm]

I think the bigger concern is the other way around. We're fine with linking to the map, but linking to the wiki from the map would be ideal. Would be fine managing on the back-end.
For the POI id, could also just use the coordinates to match it to an id?

[proud cobalt]

Oh i read @languid kayak message wrong. That would be possible, just a manual process i think, as the coordinates wont align.

Just because the placement has been manual

[digital helm]

I think what we were thinking previously was having the POI clickable, which leaves the container open, so you can click a link in it.

[languid kayak]

That'd be nice, yeah

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i just mean adding the links themselves would be a manual process

[digital helm]

Ah, true

[dry robin]

Well if you need anymore power you know there's spare in the box for whatever ideas you cook up, so don't worry about somehow using it all :p

[proud cobalt]

Thanks 😄

[dry robin]

So glad I went with the raided 4tb hard drives over the raided 500gb SSD xD

[proud cobalt]

Finally a use for all that storage

[dry robin]

No kidding!
Most I'd use it for is general small projects. Game servers. And the extra back up of small things I have

[languid kayak]

oh it's you hosting the map right now? Kudos to that if so 🙂

Also out of curiosity, what fs/raid is it?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that's the server hoster 😄

[dry robin]

https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-gb/bare-metal/rise/rise-1/

Just the basic one, but I like the flexibility it gives. I believe it's on 0 so mirrored on both. So if we lose a drive we won't lose the data, and kudos to OVH for the 15 years I've used them they've never let me down

[quartz bear]

Kudos to OVH for wooden datacenters 🙏

[dry robin]

I remember that that was not a good day

[lucid junco]

Maybe had a bomb in it

Servers/datacenters for some reason are prone to have a bomb in it for some reason

[languid kayak]

neat cable management 👌

@proud cobalt is there any way to get the x/y coordinates of the b42map.com? Like the Irvington one exactly?

but yeah, clickable POI would be ideal 😄

[proud cobalt]

What do you mean?

[languid kayak]

I wanted to find the exact x/y coord you placed the blue Irvington for example, to update on wiki, I seem not be able to do that? Placing a POI placed it near it 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Not currently on the front end. You can find it in the json file. All the new ones are at the end

Oh all the locations are at the top though

[languid kayak]

Thanks! BTW, the previously guessed coords were quite off, but not that much 😄 https://b42map.com/?2297x13817

ah, seems that refs broke on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington the same way the ones on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg did.

Although, with the towns released and name confirmed, do we keep the old images in the gallery or removing them? Can be kept somewhere as an archive, as I found the guessing game to be really instering, especially to compare to what we actually had, but they take some space in the gallery being more of a trivia now 🤔

[proud cobalt]

No need to keep them, was only an accident that they existed anyway

[proud cobalt]

🤔

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak Ive noticed that you had renamed Fire Department and Police Department to Fire station nd Police station on the Brandenburg page

Id like to discuss it now since opportunity came up

Both terms are used in game for police (Eg. Muldraugh Police Department and Louisville Police Department and Detention Services) and fire departments(they are called in game fire departments)

From my personal understanding Departments are the main building, so if there is only one building in town/area it is considered as department

[proud cobalt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXP4hxFNFw

[languid kayak]

I followed what we had ib Rosewood page, but was thibking about it too

[quartz bear]

someones drunk after new year

:troll:

[languid kayak]

I think there was some meaning behind this but I'd have to take a look

[languid kayak]

on mobile I'm always drunk 😄

[quartz bear]

is the community projects page regularly updated

[proud cobalt]

In what sense

[languid kayak]

will take a lookwhen I'm back home too

[proud cobalt]

The community page or the projet page

[quartz bear]

up to date with the actual current state

[proud cobalt]

Which project

[quartz bear]

well... both?

all projects and individual states of each project

[languid kayak]

they try to be, yeah. Depends on the leader and sometimew admins/users, so it varies

the xommunity portal should be, but somw pwrts of itare manually updated

[proud cobalt]

Translations falls behind, modding is still being brought up to date by SirDoggy. Otherwise yes for the most part

Community portal doesnt need updating often

[lucid junco]

Are b42map.com servers down?

[quartz bear]

went up in flames

[proud cobalt]

Not for me

[lucid junco]

Or had my interned provider randomly banned another website

[quartz bear]

I'll check back in half a year, maybe there will be some interesting project

[proud cobalt]

Like what?

[quartz bear]

I don't know, that's why I said "some project"

time will tell

[proud cobalt]

Lmao they dont change often

[quartz bear]

well often is a time period and we don't know at what point of it we are on

[languid kayak]

the one one we didn't make was item revamp from tasks, newest one is history

[primal remnant]

not sure but it's been a little laggy for me, has had some issues loading

(the map, that is)

[languid kayak]

most efforts are in generql b42 updateproject

[proud cobalt]

On PC?

[lucid junco]

Probably due to POI

[primal remnant]

correct, yeah. and i did think it was POIs but after a few refreshes it seems to be okay

[proud cobalt]

You can turn off POIs in the sidebar, let me know if it helps

[primal remnant]

and i gotta say, man some of these houses are swanky. the gated community homes are insane. they have a personal computer in there

i didnt even realize you could spawn in the gated community, though that could be a difference from b41

(in muldragh. because i cant be specific when im talking apparently)

[lucid junco]

You cant technically

[proud cobalt]

We just got 2 new projects after a few were closed, from 2018

[lucid junco]

Currently map takes 30s or so to load in

Page just freezes

Inputs only start working after it unfreezes

[proud cobalt]

It only takes about 5 seconds on mobile no cache

So idk whats going on

[lucid junco]

So you cant turn poi off prematurely

[lucid junco]

Should note that its only for initial load

[primal remnant]

i think i was just trying to interact with the map before it fully loaded

[proud cobalt]

As always, push to prod, then go to bed. Search feature is live 😄

[ornate tapir]

Do we just link all individual annotated maps on the main Annotated Map page? Did a first pass on the Brandenburg ones.

[digital helm]

I believe so, yeah. Looks like it hasn't been updated to b42 yet, so feel free to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map

@serene sage

[ornate tapir]

aight, i'll look at that too

[dry robin]

You love to live by the fire huh xD

[serene sage]

yeah, just link them to the specific header in the article to the list

[ornate tapir]

👍 done. We need to update all map images tho

[serene sage]

yeah, I’d say they need to be updated

[ornate tapir]

they got quite a lot smaller, and i think some things have been cut out

[serene sage]

interesting, haven’t found any yet so I’ve no clue about that

also thanks for taking up the work, I had to do this work a few months ago and it mentally broke me

[ornate tapir]

^^ jeah, i feel you.
I noticed a few POI markers that arent on the B42 maps anymore due to how small they got.

[languid kayak]

Watched that video now; noticed they have the https://minecraft.wiki/w/Minecraft_Wiki:History in case want to take some inspiration from it. Pinging @lucid junco just in case too

[languid kayak]

Actually, it should be fire department and link here: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fire_department so the Rosewood page was wrong lol

my bad then

Any reason why won't we have the other ones simply as [[Brandenburg Fire Department]] instead of [[Brandenburg Fire Department|Fire Department]]?

[lucid junco]

Because its in brandenburg

[languid kayak]

yeah, but why not just plain link to [[Brandenburg Fire Department]] directly?

[lucid junco]

so no reason to write it twice

[languid kayak]

No need to rename it to "Fire Deparment" to show instead IMO

especially as clicking it might be confusing without looking at link for some

[lucid junco]

Ooh

I see what you mean

Should have provided a screenshot

Hm

I just really dont like have businesses with town in their titles to avoid tautology

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt I think there might be an issue with caching for build 42 map if the links are in format of ?XxY instead of #XxY if the map ever goes to TIS/current map hosting, as ? is ignored by caching? I think that's why we changed coords to # in the template (map.projectzomboid.com supports both)

[lucid junco]

But in this case, yeah, we can just [[Brandenburg Fire Department]]

(Though technically its [[Brandenburg Fire]])

[languid kayak]

Brandenburg Fire it is then

btw @lucid junco I think the coords are wrong? https://b42map.com/?2580x7850

It's actually closer to 2070x6279

[lucid junco]

They are all wrong

Its not coords, but the grid

Ive used grid, since coords were not there yet

[languid kayak]

makes sense, any plans on replacing them soon-ish or shall we nuke them? I think replacing may be easier; may just slap {{improve}} till then

seems the wrong coords were copied to at least https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Redemeer though 😄

[lucid junco]

Soon-ish in valve time

[languid kayak]

TIS time*

[dry robin]

I am not going to lie, my tired brain read that as the "Church of the holy RENDER"
"Oh hey is that where we rendered the map?"

.. I swear xD

[languid kayak]

church of the holy reindeer

(I actually had to fix the name btw :P)

it was Re-de-meer instead of re-dee-mer

[dry robin]

Should be a competition, who can rename things to the silliest names but close to the orignals x3

[languid kayak]

@tulip kiln worth adding on Easter eggs? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Louisville_Bruiser&curid=28251&diff=752747&oldid=737787

also https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Paris_in_the_Rain&curid=49241&diff=752749&oldid=733203

[tulip kiln]

Yeah seems like it'd be worth

[languid kayak]

added Paris in the Rain, but where would the LV slugger go?

[tulip kiln]

Miscellaneous I guess

[languid kayak]

done then, thanks 😄

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor there's nothing to salve from Lua Functions rights? Last meaningful version was https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Lua_Functions&oldid=94913 by Neznajka – if so I'll delete it unless someone opposed to

Same with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_structure

The last change was not so far ago though with this: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mod_structure&diff=626245&oldid=351481

[flint vapor]

Nop, these are already explained elsewhere or will be explained further in planned wiki pages

They won't be lost knowledge if these get deleted

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Campfire&curid=3085&diff=753031&oldid=649459 is it enough to warrant bumping page to 42.0.2?

[languid kayak]

makes sense, might not straight up delete them though, as it seems they are linked in other places, you can scout ahead and update what you can if you want, if not I'll get to it later https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Mod_structure https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Lua_Functions

I guess there's no 1:1 alternative for mod structure? If so, I'll just remove the link from pzwiki:news I guess

[flint vapor]

Folders structure

I guess the Lua (language) page doesn't even explain functions, I'll possibly have to go and update that a bit

Tho we agreed in the modding community that the job of the wiki isn't to explain lua, as it's a generic programming language and as such Lua (language) won't have much more than what is in it rn

Lua (API) however is to explain the specifics of PZ Lua

[languid kayak]

seems to be most similar yeah, not sure if I won't just remove the link in the news as Jab didn't contribute for it mentioned by my news in the news

[flint vapor]

It probably doesn't matter anyway

[languid kayak]

best to link to wikipedia (or any other relevant page) when applicable, yeah

I did the same for most copied-over mediawiki guides, though a little basics stay

[flint vapor]

Linked to the manual https://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/

[languid kayak]

seems that https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Muldraugh&curid=3362&diff=753033&oldid=652563 is the same story, I guess these should be partially reverted then?

Also the noinclude is for the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Businesses – right now the Muldraugh is included fully in there 😄

(fixed it now)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I saw that too. I didn't know about it before but surprisingly similar format to ours

[proud cobalt]

To be honest with you, the caching doesnt work anyway 😆 It refuses to cache from the start

[proud cobalt]

Btw coords are just grid coords * 8

[proud cobalt]

No / in coord links just ?

[digital helm]

Long strings will now be truncated. The name can already be modified with name.
I also reduced the font size a bit, so we can have 3 lines without overlapping the icon

[floral python]

hey friends, i just updated some info on the military backpack, about how it can hold sleeping bags, and i'm gonna go and edit the wiki for the sleeping bags themselves, just a quick thing so others can find out how to use it

[digital helm]

Thank you. That'll be really helpful 🙂

[floral python]

just tested, large backpacks in B42 can also hold sleeping bags, but it seems there's things happening over on the large backpack site

i'll hold off for now

[digital helm]

Do you know the item id for that large backpack?

There's been some renaming in b42

[floral python]

it's all of these guys

i remembered that the B41 large backpack was a survivor bag, but all of them are labelled as military backpack

[digital helm]

Ah, yeah, they used to be called "Large Backpack" (no camo) and "Military Backpack" (camo)

[floral python]

mmhmm

so i'm not sure whether or not to add that info to the large backpack page

[digital helm]

Feel free to. It's the page for these 2 IDs

The page will get moved along with everything on it

[floral python]

alrighty

WAIT A MINUTE

I just thought to check the hiking bags

sure enough, they have the sleepign bag slot

gonna add that info there right away

okay

[digital helm]

I've added the slots provided for backpacks on the clothing article https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing#Back be patient for it to load, it's a bit slow

[floral python]

woohoo!!

thanks!!

so

i just remembered that ppl are still playing B41

[proud cobalt]

Doesnt matter

Update the page and change the page version

[floral python]

o7

[languid kayak]

both gone now, I assumed for Lua Functions the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_(language) and https://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/ are the replacements. It had some PZ functions in examples, but other than that seems the functions are covered in that.

And yeah, I also wonder how the generic lua guide, instead of the pz-oriented one should be, though I have to say, I didn't read any of the modding pages fully, sorry 😄

plus I'm not sure what https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_(API) should cover

[flint vapor]

The PZ lua

[proud cobalt]

Ok i made an article for all the crops and added a little table directly from the files themselves
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#Crops

[flint vapor]

PZ uses Kahlua, an interface of Lua - Java, but it's special so it's not even pure Kahlua

In this page I'll explain:

• how PZ Lua works and how it's used
• Javadoc and how to read/use it
• Specifics of the Lua PZ
• Lua objects sumarized, linking to the page of the same name

[quartz bear]

Lua API (Javadocs)

[digital helm]

Looks great. Even added all the tile sprites

[proud cobalt]

It SHOULD only be mature, seeding, dead. But the file is... well. Its pz code

[digital helm]

Some crops can also have the product as the seed. Not sure if you mentioned that

[proud cobalt]

That should be in the products, but possibly not

[digital helm]

That table is much better than using the recipe template too

[proud cobalt]

I was going to make a new template, i dont think its worth the effort

[digital helm]

I think the table is fine

[proud cobalt]

Just broke 100k unique visitors on B42map

[flint vapor]

Nop, bcs it's not about the javadoc only

Debated it with the modding Discord already to use proper naming, trust me ;)

There multiple fields of modding, and utilizing the Lua API is one of the biggest one

The page will be basically a full guide about an entire field of modding

[languid kayak]

yeah, that's more fitting. The general editing guidelines aren't hurting, but better to direct to official manuals like you did. Unless something pz-specific is included, we're worse to keep up that other official documentation or learning sources online

[languid kayak]

That's neat. We will have to review skills, traits and various game mechanics, it's something I've been eyeing to do, but probably won't do before the monthly summary 😄

[languid kayak]

Can have the hot peppers plants now 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Habanero_(crop)

[lucid junco]

Ive already updated them from grid coords

[languid kayak]

neat, then it's mostly just adding the {{Coorinates}} template then

[lucid junco]

Pretty much

[lucid junco]

Does it now redirect to the b42 map?

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm @languid kayak Do we want to change it? ^

[digital helm]

I don't mind

[proud cobalt]

Wait theres something wrong with the coordinates 🤔

[lucid junco]

In what way wrong?

[proud cobalt]

The numbers are just purely wrong, i swear it wasnt like that this morning

[languid kayak]

was thinking about it too, yeah, unless you want to talk with blindcoder to host the b42 map on the map.projectzomboid.com

[languid kayak]

mayeb best to wait a little then 😄 Or maybe hack the {{Coordinates}} template to show both for a time being?

as in a globe icon for the old map and the map icon for the new map? pinging @digital helm for opinion too

[proud cobalt]

I'm looking to fix it now, no idea what's happened

[proud cobalt]

Wait... It's only wrong on my laptop 🤔

Ok link coords work no matter what, its just the mouse coordinates that are wrong on my laptop

[proud cobalt]

Ok, if query is given it links to pzmap, if not links to b42map
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Coordinates&diff=761211&oldid=663961

Oh the templates dont even use this

[dry robin]

That quickly?!

[proud cobalt]

Updated templates

[proud cobalt]

Less than a week

[dry robin]

And the new update hasn't even really hit it's stride yet

[digital helm]

I think we just pick one and go with it tbh

[solid pond]

I finally got around to tabling all of the Build 42 Food Items (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u3N3co251BatD3zQjpAAca_e0GiCBkqfhC-968YfkV8/edit?usp=sharing), I've put it up into google sheets for transparency, but wanted to ask how you'd like me to handle editing the wiki and adding in new items specifically for 42? Do we have a structure in mind?

[digital helm]

The structure would be the existing structure https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Food New items would need to be added, and existing item's values updated. Is that what you mean?

[solid pond]

Yeah basically, I figured it would look exactly the same - I was just wondering if it'd be a new page for 42, or a tag somewhere on the item saying it's for 42?

[digital helm]

There's a tag at the top of page saying what version it has been updated to. That'd need to be changed to 42.0.2

{{Page version|41.78.16|2=619955}} -> {{Page version|42.0.2|2=619955}}

[solid pond]

Ah! Is there an area I can draft this and review the formatting before updating it on the offical pages? This is my first time editing a wiki

[digital helm]

In your userspace. E.g. User:YOURUSERNAME/sandbox

Like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

[solid pond]

amazing, thank you 😊

well, put my name down for updating food, I'm onto it now

[languid kayak]

that will break the oldids we keep for 41.78.16 though 😩

[languid kayak]

it's not yet b41 level, but the moment mp drops, it surely beets it by the looks of it

[dry robin]

I was actually thinking if they ever did drop MP in a reasonable time, opening a vanilla server to which we can all explore in together would help the wiki processing side a bit. Allow collaboration and such.
And the box wouldn't have issues handling a ton of players

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I found it's the most confusing part with people tryong to add header to serve both cases. WE generally decided to go the way to boldly update everything to unstable and link the last revision prior to December 17 for the last 41.78.16 version that was available (these aren't editable).

I will probably try to make it clearer, so people won't be confused. I think @proud cobalt did the FAQ on that too, that should be pinned. Maybe should make it clear in the site notification @digital helm?

I also want to add some short message to the page version how users could access old images for locations should anyone need them (these are still available on the image page), sadly no real easy way to show them, but I think the interest in b41 stable on wiki is less than b42 stable anyway, so not that a huge deal keeping old page versions ideal

[languid kayak]

Actually /sandbox can be used to any page, not sure what's prefered way? (it is for templates and main page, sincew e link to it)

[languid kayak]

yes, was thinking about it for a long while. I'll surely be up there to play properly with you guys 🙂

I think that we can manage to even self-host one, if needs be

[digital helm]

I think it's best to avoid using it in the main namespace, unless it's for something collaborative

[dry robin]

Oh I wouldn't worry about that, I assure you the dedi box has the space x3
Everything is setup so Cal could drop one on right now without needing any extra permissions or set-up it'd take five minutes at most :p

[languid kayak]

That would be awesome 🙂 I really wonder how long mp could take; hopefully not that long as b41 but I know that mp might have bigger problems than sp, so releaseing b42 unstesting single player early is more than understanble.

[dry robin]

That's my hope is that the MP side doesn't really need that much work, because it would absolutely speed up bug finding, feature suggestions and gameplay balance passing if people can work on things together

[languid kayak]

yup, guess we'll see not earlier than after 6th July as TIS are on their deserve break, or maybe even after thursdoid which I assume are still monthly so that'd be 30th January

[dry robin]

Yush, you can't rush these things after all, let's see what they say when they get back. Am sure they'll have new ideas now too :3

[proud cobalt]

How?

It would just link to the location on the new map? I dont think we need to be too concerned about that

[languid kayak]

well, some buildings differ or don't exist at the old map, but maybe we don't have to worry that much? 🤔 Similar how images are different

(though I know sharp I'm the guy who likes to compare stuff, and so is @lucid junco so having links to both for a while would be nice for us? Though OTOH we can just replace them manually :P)

Also not sure how many folks will actually click the oldid link, the version notice is barely read sadly 😛

[proud cobalt]

oldid will go at some point anyway, lets just make decisions with B42 in mind

[solid pond]

confusing for a moment, but it all makes sense now, I hadn't used the wiki prior to 41 so I wasn't sure what the regular process was. makes total sense though, I'll write it up in sandbox first and go from there 😊

[wooden tinsel]

Hello there, contributors !

[proud cobalt]

Hello

[wooden tinsel]

Alright, any tips to quickly find pages that needs editing ? For now I'm just clicking on latest created ones and changing things as I pass.
I guess there are useful stuff in the pinned discord threads

And also in wiki tasks page

[proud cobalt]

Try here, this is our localised Build 42 project
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update

[rotund echo]

Why does West Point sux in soccer

Its my favorite town 😭

[wooden tinsel]

@proud cobalt auto-generated pages that has any new change will be automatically removed from auto-generated pages ?

Or by manually removing notice I guess ?

The auto-generated tag

[proud cobalt]

Once the information has been verified, and the usage has been added, the autogenerated tag should be removed manually

[lucid junco]

Locations project

[wooden tinsel]

Is there any way to edit multiple wiki pages at once ?
For example, every pages in Crops tab, vegetables tab,

I would like to add Farming basic explanations in each crops page

[proud cobalt]

Not other than opening each one in a new tab

[wooden tinsel]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[primal remnant]

is this a normal variant in b41 or is this new...

[proud cobalt]

New

[primal remnant]

i saw it, read it, and had to double take. what.

[lucid junco]

New one

I prefer my cereal box box van

[rotund echo]

Where is the "FREE CANDY" van bro

[dry robin]

Sorry I ate all the candy in it

[quartz bear]

now it's just free van

[dry robin]

I mean that's much more useful in PZ xD

[lucid junco]

Inflation got to it

Best closest we have is a "3$ candy" van

[rotund echo]

NOOOOOOO

[quartz bear]

Imagine the loot table of such a van

[dry robin]

Think I'll try and not too xD

[high shale]

should we update the wiki to 42? or should we be creating separate "42" pages for the 42 stuff where it differs from 41? for example, farming/agriculture have significant differences, should we assume people on 41 will no longer want access to that information and upgrade the page to 42?

[flint vapor]

I believe the current go-to is to update existing page

In a few months, B41 will be irrelevant, there's no point losing your time keeping B41 informations, tho for historic reasons

Move on to the next version

That's at least what I'm doing with the Modding wiki rn, I'm not going to explain B41 modding aspects which no one will give a shit about in a few months

Also there's more of a need for informations about changes in modding in B42 than how to mod for B41

And some of these are still relevant for B41 anyway

[lucid junco]

Once you set a version of the page to 42.0.2 there will be a notice that it's a new info and may not apply to b41

It will also show a button to change back to b41 version of the page

[jolly crow]

A fornication van?! 😱

[serene sage]

some of the game devs kinda exist in the game's lore as jockeys

[flint vapor]

So how exactly would it be possible to automate the modification of these pages ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lua_Events

[ornate tapir]

person4: <fzzt>

Me if i were on a TV broadcast

[primal remnant]

that, or possibly it's full of clothes with real pockets

(couldnt even tell what was in the back because it was locked and backed up too close to the fence. so, maybe)

[serene sage]

what do we call these people in the background of this newscast celebrating a college football win?

[primal remnant]

bystander? fan? background?

[lucid junco]

They are all fans

Crowd

[serene sage]

right, fans

pretty crazy fans though

[lucid junco]

Wdym

[serene sage]

they threw furniture out some windows and burned random stuff

[lucid junco]

Seems like an average football fan

[quartz bear]

> Subsequently, he was murdered
💀

this is why you dont bet or gamble, kids

[serene sage]

erm, acktually we're talking about american football, which is different from this football ☝️ 🤓

I regret sending this message

[quartz bear]

it's now forever in history

[lucid junco]

Feels like you havent watched a documentary/match of football in er life

[serene sage]

*soccer

[quartz bear]

we call it football here in russia 🙂

[quartz bear]

verdict: project zomboid takes place in russia

[serene sage]

ah yes good ol' soccer-vs-football

[lucid junco]

we call it ГОООООООООЛ

[quartz bear]

hhhh

gen alpha brainrot

[lucid junco]

Lmao americans couldnt pick less picky name for good football so they called it "sucker"

[quartz bear]

good football 😭

[lucid junco]

The iron rod incident

[astral shoal]

Probably not really the best way to suggest this - but is it possible to make the chart / sheet for the melee weapon stats a bit wider somehow, so you don't need to scroll horizontally to use it? Major usability issue IMO.

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons

[serene sage]

months later, the stabber would contract the Knox Infection.ᵛᵉʳⁱᶠʸ

[hushed bobcat]

Hey folks,
I wanna try to help on the b42 update, mostly with locations since I don't need to open the game and can use the online map to find stuff (while I'm at work, 🤫 ). Question: is there a channel/place to discuss specifics of locations, so before I update/change/mess around I can get some ideas. Or are we just using this channel here for it? Sorry if that was asked and replied already multiple times 😬

[serene sage]

everything for the wiki is pretty much just here in this one channel

[hushed bobcat]

Given that, let me start with something simple: Scrapyards are a new thing AFAIK. Should we create a single scrapyard page with all those locations? Should we create one per location? Is Scrapyard a type of business or do we have a better definition?

The one on Irvington has even a name for it "Stuart & Log" ("scrap n' repair beyond compare")

[lucid junco]

Never looked at it so would like to get a pic

But there were at least two scrapyards before, one in Riverside and another at Valley station called Junk baron

Now there is a third one in muldraugh

[hushed bobcat]

This is the one in Irvington. There is also another one in Echo Creek (kind of)

Given that they have different names (junk baron), is that an indication that is better to classify they as a type=scrapyard on a businnes name page? Or does the community avoid pages for places like that, preferring a single, generic, page with all those locations? (and then maybe mentioning the business name)

BTW, didn't find the one in Muldraugh, but can see the mention of it in the spawning map 😕 nvm, found it 🤦‍♂️

[flint vapor]

#833356410456244275 message

Regarding fishing near the shore in b42 (42.0.2): I've been looking at the LUA from b42 and following some of SleightOfHands' findings, here's what I can see:

• Whether you're near the shore or not is determined by whether there is a non-water cell within 7 cells of the location of the fishing bobber
• Fishing near the shore doubles the time needed to attract fish
• Fishing near the shore halves the chances of catching medium and large fish, adding that chance to small fish instead (so at fishing level 5, normal is 40% small, 40% medium and 20% big, but near the shore is going to be 70% small, 20% medium and 10% big)

Code references:

• Checking if fishing near shore: media\lua\shared\Fishing\FishingUtils.lua lines 74-85
• Doubling attract time for fishing near shore: media\lua\shared\Fishing\Bobber.lua lines 135-137 (note also the next three lines, tripling the time to attract when bobber distance to player is less than 3 cells)
• Halving chances of medium and big fish, adding those chances to small fish instead: media\lua\shared\Fishing\FishingUtils.lua lines 109-113 (note also lines 87-99 for probabilities of each fish size based on your skill level).

Takeaway: When fishing make sure you cast your line at least 8 cells from any land and you'll catch fish faster and have twice the chance to catch medium and big fish compared to shore fishing.

Might be nice to link that somewhere on the Wiki

[supple mantle]

How can I affect translation in an animation?

[flint vapor]

Wdym ?

[supple mantle]

There's no info on how to do it on another software

[flint vapor]

It's either a bone or an object

Simply do like other bones and objects, move it and keyframe it

[supple mantle]

its animation data

[flint vapor]

There might be some non-linear movement however, you'd have to change it

[supple mantle]

If I animate the rig I KNOW that it would reset back to its original pos, thats why Im trying to edit the translation data, however I do not know if the problem lies in its position relative to the rig or if its local coordinates

[flint vapor]

Hmm, problems

These refer to items in the game

But these are the names of the java classes for each InventoryItem

So technical stuff, completely different

How do we handle that ?

Actually I see AlarmClock is a redirect to Alarm_Clock

Same for KeyRing redirecting to Key_Ring

Should we rename both pages to like for items Clothing (item) and me Clothing (Java object) ?

Or some shit like that ?

[hushed bobcat]

My 2c: subcategorizations like that is always usefull from the perspective of searching it. For new players, they can be searching for Clothing as verb instead of the noun, so making the page as Clothing (items) make it pretty specific. I faced a similar situation with Capentry as a skill or as a recipe category

[flint vapor]

So I didn't get it, should we name it with " (item)" ?

[hushed bobcat]

I think so. At least for me it would make a lot of sense to find a "Clothing (Item)" and a "Clothing (JavaObject)" when searching , so I immediately know with one I am looking for. But take my words with a little bit of salt, I'm still new here 😄

[flat sun]

and just wait until you need to make a page on ClothingItem (Java Object)

[flint vapor]

lol

[quartz bear]

Can't wait for a wiki page about RandomizedBuildingBase

[digital helm]

If we have conflicts like that we've been prioritising the item as the normal name and the other one with the descriptor (Java object). Then we can use {{About}} to link them. If there's more than 2, it's usually best to have a disambig page. So redirect the normal page to (disambiguation) and list the pages there and some basic info.

For alarm clock and key ring, just change the redirect to your article. Then use {{About}}

[flint vapor]

But the article links to the redirect

The page NEEDS to be called KeyRing

Also idk what (disambiguation) is

[digital helm]

replace the redirect with your article https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=AlarmClock&action=edit it was only created because of the item's id, so there's no loss

[flint vapor]

👌

[digital helm]

Here's an example of a disambig page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/T-shirt_-_Music_(disambiguation)

The normal name redirects to it https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=T-shirt_-_Music&redirect=no

[flint vapor]

How do I access the edit of a page which has a redirect ? Do I need to access it from a direct edit link ?

Nvm found it

[digital helm]

You can also add ?redirect=no to the url

[flint vapor]

👌

Damn I learned something

[digital helm]

I'm always learning new things on this wiki 😄

[digital helm]

You can change the page width in the preferences cog wheel on the bottom left. Unfortunately a specific page width has become the standard for websites as it increases readability, which isn't great for data tables like this.

[astral shoal]

I wasn’t aware it was adjustable, thanks a lot 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Not sure if anyone got back to you. Click the cog wheel and change your view window to wide/full

[proud cobalt]

Oh Vail beat me too it by 100 messages

[proud cobalt]

Items take priority so don't get descriptors. Should be 'Clothing' and 'Clothing (java object)' remember lower case for descriptors

[flint vapor]

👌

I'll try to remember that

Thanks

[digital helm]

It's treated like sentence case, so Java should retain its capitalisation, since it's a proper noun

[green plume]

I made a table regarding the new recipes of Knapping

But i had to do it manually

I saw that official tables with icons etc reference something inside the wiki

Does that specific recipe layout exist for the new items or can i make it?

[proud cobalt]

Recipes are currently stored in recipe list but its B41 not updated yet
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list

[green plume]

Oh i see
When they are ported it will be much easier then

Is it possible to add recipes or do the devs do that?

[proud cobalt]

Everything on the wiki is done by volunteers

[green plume]

Oh i see
I will try to change the table tomorrow

[lucid junco]

Also, there are no american football fields in the game

[hushed bobcat]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Neil's_Farm
I tried to describe the place as a nice and usefull place to keep a base, but need to put the juice part under a spoiler area. Currently is a open section 😬 . Also, didn't have the chance to visit it myself, so any extra info and picture is appreciated

[flint vapor]

Is it possible to add timezone adapted timecodes ?

Is that a thing on the wiki ?

[primal remnant]

anyone happen to know more about the new moodles?

or the conditions under which they appear, to specify.

[quartz bear]

What new moodles

I don't see anything new

Unless...

[flat sun]

have you even played b42 😅

[quartz bear]

Of course not :)

[quartz bear]

Yeah apparently b42 is not main branch yet

God I love when they turn Steam into Git

[languid kayak]

IIRC Robert Johnson is being interviewed too

[languid kayak]

we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wrecking_yard

(also welcome on wiki, and yeah, we do all the chats here basically :P)

[green plume]

Fellas

how do i list an alternate tool in the current crafting table format
Also,how do i list knapping properly as a skill and is there a column to add notes?

Also,can how can i omit certain properties?

I want to list Surface as a workstation but i can't,it required an image and they are all huge

[languid kayak]

name them like Key (Lua function) or whatever it is in parantheses. If there's many, we'll do disambiguation, else it's about to point to the another one (EDIT: nvm, I see it was settled already :P)

[green plume]

does the current wiki format not support alternate tools?

i get this from the following code

[languid kayak]

I think it should? But there were some changes in how recipes look now during b41 and they still weren't really updateded to b42, especially as we don't know how much the recipes will get adjusted anymore

[green plume]

There is no property that supports the "or" clause of tools

I tried adding more but it says "and"

These are the only hurdles i encountered but because it does not support the format of b42 recipes,i will add my own table whenever i add recipes

Changing them is another issue but it should be easy once they are already documented

[hushed bobcat]

The wiki coordinates now points to the b42map.com, but looks like the coordinates are off. I mean, a get the x and y via the lock ooords button, but then the wiki point to a different place. Looks like the position change depends on the zoom level as well. Is that a know issue? Is it safe to continue collecting coordinates?

It happens at least with the following location: 2360x16736. It suppose to be the Irvington scrapyard, but it points to outside of the map 😕

Interesting this happens with locations listed on the Brandeburg page, but not with locations on River Side. Is that because brandeburg and Irvington are in a new area?

[digital helm]

It's supposed to, but it doesn't seem to work as intended. It just shows the server time (UTC)
Something like this is supposed to work {{#time: H:i, j F Y | now | language_code}}

You can use a hacky solution like {{#time: H:i, j F Y | now + 11 hours}}
Which just adds 11 hours to the server time (my time). But this isn't great for things like daylight savings.

Here's the documentation for it, if you want to play around with it https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##time

[digital helm]

You should be able to use alternate tools with alt_tool1_1, alt_tool1_2 (up to 8). Only the first tool supports this. If it's a tag, it should use alt_tool_tag1_1 instead. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Item_tags

[digital helm]

Not sure what you mean by omit certain properties. Just don't add them, and they shouldn't show.

I'll hardcode a size for the workstation image, and add a check for Surface to only display the text, and not the image

[digital helm]

Looks good other than the workstation issue, which I'll fix. Also, always use icons instead of models. The player will always see the icon in inventories, not the model

[proud cobalt]

For alt tools we use tool tags as thats how it was done in B41. I think i said earlier the template will need to be redone as it was designed for B41

[proud cobalt]

16736 is not a valid coordinate thats why it's off the map

[proud cobalt]

https://b42map.com?2039x13443

[proud cobalt]

Coordinates are only inaccurate on mobile and at extreme zoomed out levels which you shouldnt be at to get coords anyway tbh

[hushed bobcat]

I'm not using it on mobile, I'm using it on a desktop and get the coordinates via the lock coord button. But just scrolling out the zoom and check it I can see the coordinates being off, so it's not isolated to mobile. But I got the problem and will try to get the coordinates later when I can open the game and get it from there

[digital helm]

Only a few books https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_5

[proud cobalt]

Pat's been busy

[digital helm]

Can't wait to do magazines, newspapers, comic books, RPG manuals, etc. 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Add it to the list 😄

It only seems to get longer, never shorter

[digital helm]

I was looking into comic books, and they have an issue number. The Impossible Steelman has 398 issues. And with spawning there's a bias towards newer issues, so I calculated the odds of finding issue #1 to be 1 in 625,000,000 😆

[proud cobalt]

Thats insane

[quartz bear]

I was randomly scrolling at light speed and I swear I saw "Crime and Punishment"

[digital helm]

you did "Crime and Punishment", by Fyodor Dostoevsky 😄 all the "Classic" ones seem to be based off of real books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_and_Punishment

[quartz bear]

I wouldn't notice it if I hadn't read the book beforehand 🙂

(beforehand = 1 year ago)

Scrolling again, now my eyes registered "Anna Karenina"

Which I haven't read tbh

[wooden egret]

what about updating map ?

[proud cobalt]

Whats up?

[wooden egret]

can i see new buildings online?

[proud cobalt]

https://b42map.com

[wooden egret]

thx very mach

[ornate tapir]

and i thought doing the annotated maps is tedious lmao

[green plume]

Ooooh
This wasn't shown in the main page

[green plume]

Sometimes i wanted to only add the name of something but it required the image,i guess these two are dependent on each other

[green plume]

Regarding this
I tried to add a tag but it required an image
I will have to read up well on how the code on tags work

[digital helm]

Thankfully it's all generated from a script. Still need to adapt it for the rest of the these items though 😅

Would be here til 2026 trying to add them manually

[digital helm]

It was added after it was initially created. I must've missed adding it

[digital helm]

The workstation was added as a preparation for b42, and the only workstation was the oven, so there was no further logic added

[green plume]

Ok i will keep it in mind

[digital helm]

As Calvy said, keep in mind it'll likely be rewritten from the ground up. It's just that it's a big job, and there's so many other things we've been busy with

[green plume]

I see
What about using item tags?
An item tag required an image

I understand,of course

[digital helm]

Use alt_tool_tag1_1 it doesn't need an image. It bypasses it

[green plume]

Awesome,this will do it for me
Thanks a lot!

[digital helm]

or tool_tag1

Example

    |spiked_plank=
        {{Recipe
            |product_name=Spiked Plank
            |product_image=PlankNail.png
            |ingredient1=Plank
            |ingredient_image1=Plank.png
            |ingredient2=Nails
            |ingredient_image2=Nails.png
            |ingredient_quantity2=5
            |tool_tag1=Hammer
            |xp=0.25
            |xp_skill=Carpentry
        }}

It'll automatically get the tag template. So Hammer will get the {{Tag Hammer}} template and link to [[Hammer (tag)]]
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hammer_(tag)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_Hammer

[digital helm]

@serene sage Since you were looking at the Book page layout #pzwiki_editing message I'm working on generating all the literature titles. Just not sure on the best way to present them, since there's a lot for some items.
I'm also going to fix the links in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Literature so they don't all point to "Book", and then get autogenerated with stubs, so the distributions, etc. can be auto-updated by Calvy

Here's some notes on the way the title is generated. I still need to look at Newspapers, but everything else I should get done fairly quickly. (These are based on the OnCreate property of items)

[languid kayak]

Cpt. B. Inky
oh the easter eggs 👀

"Drawing Cute Critters", by M. Siu-Chong

[digital helm]

They're pretty much all easter eggs

[languid kayak]

or lore

"A Military For the Modern Age", by General John McGrew

[green plume]

I will try to understand how your example works, thanks

I have a suggestion regarding the tables
There should be a column about the property of "Need Recipe Learned"

Some knapping recipes need the recipe to be learned,but they are also auto learned upon reaching a specific level of a skill.This should be documented on the table

Also there should be a way handle the new "may degrade tools" tags etc,others will know how to do this best

[digital helm]

That was the case with b41 too. That's what the requirements column is for. E.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Metalworking_(crafting)#Walls_&_fencing

The degrade tools is a new one though. I imagine something similar to the welding torch in the above example might be done

I think I suggested adding a notes section too. Since there's a lot of OnCreate functions

[green plume]

What about the "autolearn on" info

[digital helm]

Basically, it's a lot more complicated than b41 😅

[green plume]

Should we write it in the requirements?

Yeah it is lol

[digital helm]

Yeah, that's what the "Metalworking 3" is

[green plume]

Some recipes are not auto learned on the requirement

example:

Also,i am having trouble including the mallet tag as an alternate tool

[proud cobalt]

To be 100% honest you should wait until we have a new template probably from scratch. That's why we put a warning on the template that all recipes are B41

[green plume]

i get this for this

Also if i mention the stone hammer by tag,i get this:

Why does the template thing appear above?

[digital helm]

That's what "(and)" is for

[green plume]

ok i see

[digital helm]

only 1 alt_tool_tag was added. We had plans to expand it once b42 came out, since it was overcomplicating the template

[proud cobalt]

Also increasing the node count 😆

[digital helm]

Tag_HammerStone doesn't exist as a tag on the wiki. I'm unsure if it hasn't been created yet, or isn't a tag in the game

[proud cobalt]

I would suggest if you really feel it necessary, writing out the recipe on the page, rather than using this template

[green plume]

It exists on the stone hammer:

The template right now is really confusing to me because i am trying to basically say

Use either
A stone hammer
Or
Mallet_tag
Or
Knapping tool

[digital helm]

Yeah, so this page has been created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/HammerStone_(tag) but not the template yet https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Tag_HammerStone

[green plume]

The mallet_tag does not properly appear when i try to show it with alt_tool_tag

[digital helm]

I'll have to get to that

[proud cobalt]

Template and tag pages are 2 different things

[green plume]

There probably exists only 1 stone hammer so it's ok,i will just call it by name

[proud cobalt]

Stones count as HammerStone

[green plume]

But i am having trouble showing

A stone hammer
Or
Mallet_tag

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/HammerStone_(tag)

[green plume]

Oooh

True

So i should write everything by tag then

[proud cobalt]

Like i said you should probably just write out the recipe and put it on the page, rather than trying to force the template to fit

A new template will be made in time, and this will probably be automated

But it takes time, and theres still more crafting to come

[green plume]

I see,ok
I thing right now it is possible to make the template work i just don't know how

How can i write out 2 tags in an or clause,i have been trying and i can't

[proud cobalt]

I don't think it is. I made the template 😄

[green plume]

Ok i see

I will continue with a makeshift table for now,thanks

[proud cobalt]

I think you will have better luck with that, less headaches

[green plume]

Just for the record,trying to do this:

Does not work

[proud cobalt]

Yeah like Vail said the template isnt made yet for that tag

[green plume]

I have trouble remembering the different properties,sorry

[proud cobalt]

That's ok, so do i. The recipes are quite a complex web of templates. We're hoping to get lua in the future to make things easier

[digital helm]

Yeah, it's because of the id in the parameter. It's a similar thing with infoboxes. You can't have 2 parameters using id 1. They take up the same 'position' in the template

It's an overly complicated template. Every iteration has been difficult to work with

[proud cobalt]

Yeah theres trade offs with each iteration

[green plume]

so it should be alt_tool_tag2?

[digital helm]

technically. But it hasn't been added

[green plume]

Ok ok i see

Thanks for the info

[digital helm]

So I'd stick with tables for now on the crafting pages. They should be relatively visible for readers, since it's in a prominent spot on the main page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crafting

[proud cobalt]

Oh god i forgot these existed

Suppressed that memory, i was just thinking about item pages

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-long-list-list-infinite-list-gif-7915371

On the list it goes

[green plume]

Is there a page for Carving?

I created it

[quartz bear]

Yes, there is

You just created it

[green plume]

Hahahaha speaking in riddles

[serene sage]

noted

[green plume]

I think i properly documented all carving recipes on the page

[serene sage]

alert the subreddit, they think the rarest item is the $10,000 scratch ticket which is only 1 in 80,000,000 😄

[digital helm]

Only 1 in 80,000,000 😆

[languid kayak]

"Smile Across The Aisle", by Daniel Mahoney
Finally https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mahoney has a name!

[serene sage]

are we positive though? could be another Mahoney

[languid kayak]

I don't think, Cal Fairweather has one book too and they are both politics

Can never be 100% sure; we also has to assume that the other books by the same-named characters are the ones we want 😄

Would be funny if there'd be two Jackie Jayes for example :p

[serene sage]

alright, just wanted to make sure that we don't have a repeat of the incident

[languid kayak]

I think I sadly didn't get the references this time 😄

[serene sage]

I made it up

there was never any incident

just a very healthy wiki community

[quartz bear]

fuck yeah, gaslighting

[languid kayak]

otoh there was one; The Jack Bloggs incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/154wwmb/comment/jsrxqee/

[serene sage]

seems like a very minor incident

[digital helm]

I still have no idea where that image came from

[digital helm]

Here's the magazines, with their date ranges https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_4

[serene sage]

me when I get bitten

[lucid junco]

Oh well, back to old pz map loading times

5 minutes had passed and map still looks like ive forgotten my glasses

[rotund echo]

Blegh, Bleach is the weak souled meta option

Be a bourbon + sleeping pill enjoyer instead

Or better yet, jump out the 2nd floor window while holding a generator

[rotund echo]

Falling with a generator is the most chad way to suicide in Zomboid

[lucid junco]

It looks like that patric and spongebob gif

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-crank-dat-gif-19328104

[serene sage]

looks fine to me

[lucid junco]

... why do I feel like they are uncomfortably bigger now

[jolly crow]

... why do I feel like they are uncomfortably bigger now

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/mf-doom-gif-10685088494828413640

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ekron

Businesses added

[jolly crow]

Excuse me, but is it possible that I can get logged out of my account on the backend while I'm editing a page and lose all my changes after saving?

Because I just painstakingly added information to the Knox Country page to add just some details and POIs to the new towns, and I save it and don't see it, while also noticing that I've been logged out...

[languid kayak]

sometimes it happens, for me the browser usually saves it. I'm not sure, but sometimes @restive adder can find something saved in the server.

What's your nick on the wiki?

[jolly crow]

The same as my Discord username

[languid kayak]

Though if you got logged out, then indeed it probably was indeed lost :/ You can take a look if the preview or edit history was saved in your browser however. For me I never had issue with Firefox.

[languid kayak]

Apparently, it's 1 / 8,857,805 according to https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hrh8yb/you_can_get_a_10000_scratch_ticket_with_a_1/

[serene sage]

wow, even more common

[languid kayak]

it seems that the Police office in Riverside is called Maede County Police Department from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Riverside_Police_Department_Flier.png

and the one in LV is Louisville Police Headquarters according to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Flyer_LVPDSeminar.png

btw, I don't have screenshot, but on one of my playthroughs with wife I found a topped van with plonkies. A reference to Zombieland's Twinkies van

[languid kayak]

huh, in some screenshots the blur seems to be still there: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:First_baptist_chapel.png

[dry robin]

Hmm.. I actually don't see a blur myself

[quartz bear]

More like "he said" she's a succubus

[dry robin]

OH

[languid kayak]

it seems to be caused by webp layer on top of the jpeg?

[dry robin]

Wait are you sure that's not just God sending the wifi data down to the church xD

[languid kayak]

idk 😄

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Idk how to get rid of it

Sometimes it stays there, no matter how much I zoom in n out

Or refresh the page

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Its in the game

[languid kayak]

yeah, just gotta keep the reference up 🙂

[lucid junco]

Look out for the plonkie man

[languid kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-sunglasses-off-getting-a-better-look-what-the-cool-smooth-gif-15328823

[lucid junco]

Curious if character Id's are rarer

Since Dean's id is tied to a single zed

[languid kayak]

This revamp kinda solves the issue of "BA", "KE", "RY" and "24 hours" signs staying on the broken windows

[lucid junco]

Yeah

No building

No problem

[languid kayak]

it was one of my oldest reported PZ bugs 😄

that were not fixed

[lucid junco]

"Fuck it, just nuke the whole place"
-Someone at TIS, maybe

[languid kayak]

Unless dean spawn could be that chance; the ID is guaranteed I think

[lucid junco]

There is an RPG night event

Can only spawn once

[languid kayak]

@flint vapor is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ISRichTextPanel supposed to be a main level page, or will be more similar ones (like Lua events)? Also, is the 41.78.16 page version by design?

[jolly crow]

Okay, I tried to make an edit on the wiki again, this time with something smaller. I added Coalfield, the wild west town to the Knox Country page (https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Country). I just figured that, if an area like Dixie Trailer Park or the abandoned town can get a section, then why not this, you know?

And it looks like it worked this time. Woo! My first wiki contribution!

[serene sage]

does that say RandomizedVehicleStoryBase?

oh no

[proud cobalt]

If you take too long you can encounter a session loss, but you just have to click save again. If you click save and wait on citizen there is a notification that the page was saved

[jolly crow]

I'm just gonna copy to notepad before saving

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah theyve like doubled the random stories

Theres also new types of stories

RB, RBT, RVS, RZS, RDS

[flint vapor]

supposed to be a main level page, or will be more similar ones (like Lua events)?
Not sure what you mean here, it's a single page on the subject, I doubt there'll be a need for any more pages about ISRichTextPanel. It defines mostly just tags that you can use in strings to format text
It's in 41.78.16 because the list of tags are from this version, someone needs to check the lua if there are new tags or they got modified but they still exist in the game

[jolly crow]

Added more stuff to the Knox Country page. Now I was able to put in my descriptions for Brandenburg, Irvington, and Ekron! I think I might've added too many POIs, but I'm not really sure where to cut.

Now I'm working on adding all POIs to the Irvington page

[proud cobalt]

Nothing like a 200 line crafting recipe to set you back in the morning

[jolly crow]

Irvington's done! https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington

[tulip kiln]

good shit dude

Oh ye someone mentioned this on the subreddit but I finally checked it out, this is probably another addition for the easter egg page, this looks quite similar to the neighbourhood in King of the Hill

like that yellow house has definitely gotta be Hank's house

[hushed bobcat]

How do we estimate those town population? Muldraugh page says 3566, but the 1990 Census of the real city says 1376. So, I am assuming we got that number from the game somehow, am I right? And what is the methodology, so we can do the same for the new towns

[hushed bobcat]

I started to map the coordinates there using the link to the online map, usually pointing to the door/entrance of each establishment

[jolly crow]

I see. I just used the coordinates from b42map.com

[hushed bobcat]

What are your guys though about using the logo instead of the name of business on those location tables? Nowadays almost everything has a name and a logo somehow, so it could help bring some life to those tables. In this picture, pretty sure that a bunch of those missing logos will end up being uploaded soon anyways. Of course that there is nothing to do with places like cemeteries, but even the churches are now receiving names and "logos". Wdyt?

[jolly crow]

I'm not so sure. Some logos are way more eye-catching than others, not to mention some stores on some town pages will straight up not have a logo because the entrance is facing away from the camera POV

[proud cobalt]

At the very least it would still need text as images arent searchable

[jolly crow]

That, too.

[proud cobalt]

Any issue splitting recipes into crafting and construction. We would have two templates. Crafting and construction. Construction would work pretty much how crafting does now, with manual recipes, due to the nature of how they work. But crafting would be parsed automatically and updated, and would have slight new look. @digital helm @languid kayak and others

[lucid junco]

Boot up the game at 1x pop and look at the population estimate in the zeds population window

[lucid junco]

A huge nay from me tbh

[rotund echo]

The "Normal" population now is 0.65x

[lucid junco]

The signs/logos are all over in quality so putting them in the same table together looks horrible

And almost all new business logos wont be uploaded in good quality untill end of January

[languid kayak]

So keeping it, reverting, or…?

[proud cobalt]

I dont think its worth reverting

[languid kayak]

Okay then, will add it to the navbox modding then. I don't add the navbox for specific Lua events, Lua objects and Java objects, as they will probably have a separate navbox later, if needed

actually wait, it seems it's a lua object? At least that's how you classified it so I guess it should go to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Lua_object ?

unless it's by mistake?

[languid kayak]

So keeping, but not touching the rest?

Can udpate the wording in the script to this then, but not run it initially, but the next time something changes we can use this

[proud cobalt]

Yeah that too, the logos are done by wiki editors (aka sharpgolden) so has to be done manually

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it would only effect newly created food articles, which i dont think we're getting any time soon

[languid kayak]

Still something. Can add a low-priority bot task to update the old one, when there's nothing to do, if we agree on the reword.

Actually, ideally if the text is the same on all the pages, maybe it could be a part of a template? It's just there's no template to "stitch" it into, but we have templates that do nothing other than adding a text, already, see https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Magazine_reload

That way the text won't be uneven on pages evertime someone does a minor edit, and won't cause the editor on focus on it.

[proud cobalt]

It's just placeholder text i dont think it needs a template

I dont really think it should all be the same on every page either

[languid kayak]

Maybe indeed, I'll probably be going through food at one day anyway, so I'll see there. Leaving it as is then

[dry robin]

You are all working hard. Make sure you drink plenty and eat!

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt @digital helm were the tables for crops autogenerated or not? Seems fixing these links could technically be botted I guess? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bell_Pepper_(crop)&diff=prev&oldid=761239

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Whistle#Usage – that seems like a nice feature, just wish the whistle wouldn't have to be equipped as primary/secondary but could be worn too (which IIRC is the case in Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead), even with both hands occupied, one could whistle with the head movement alone (kinda point of the rescue whistles when drowning)

[proud cobalt]

Hand done 😄

Semi

[digital helm]

I'm with Calvy on this. No need to change it. The only added thing is the fridge or freezer part