pzwiki_editing

[mild sierra]

I don't mess around :P

[proud cobalt]

RC3 in string version doesn't mean anything, as it stayed RC3 for a long time

[mild sierra]

Ah okidoki. Any idea what version the Mac/Linux versions from that link are, then?

[languid kayak]

it'd be 2.9.8 version that's either Linux or Mac (I think it's Linux? Didn't take a look to be honest, though I know Mac apps are always packaged oddly), the rest are Windows builds

[proud cobalt]

It may be 2.9.8, i believe

oh that was good timing

It's also possible that there was a double up, in which case we would have kept just the windows version

[languid kayak]

I added a note to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice (will take a while for it to update in cache) – the lack of map will mostly affect the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps, but since it's a popular project, I guess it may be enough to warrant the site notice. Pinging @digital helm and @naive imp too 🙂

[mild sierra]

It's two linux builds, and one mac. Shame it's nothing too interesting, but regardless it seems well and truly broken. :(

[naive imp]

Tbh this may just be me but I would rather not attract a huge amount of attention to using in-game screenshots as the quality will likely vary drastically

But we'll have to clean it up regardless

Idk

I still have yet to play but I'll get to it tonight and we'll see

[languid kayak]

let me reword that bit then

[naive imp]

I was even thinking we forgo images until the pzmap is updated in order to avoid massive cleanups and make it less work

Because we already don't want in-game images everywhere else

So idk

But I want everyone's opinion on that first before we make an objective formatting decision

[proud cobalt]

There's no telling how long that will be. Not saying you have to do each one, but i dont think we should stop people from adding images. At least if its done by someone in the project we can expect half decent quality

I think blindcoders estimate of January is quite ambitious

[languid kayak]

I changed the wording to something more neutral anyway, I am tired today though, so feel free to check if it's clear 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak None of the icons i uploaded replaced B41 changes, so if there are changes in icons between 41-42 they won't be reflected on wiki yet

I don't like the idea of overwriting everything (like i did with tiles 😉 )

We'll also have to do something about books and magazines in the item list. Ping @digital helm for that too

Outputting Magzine (X) may be required?

[languid kayak]

yeah, I'll be going through that when I'll have time too 😄

btw, nice for these to not use bandana icon anymore 😄

btw @proud cobalt I noticed the new autogenerated pages have |model= filled, so that results in a big question mark; if model would be empty, it'd use the scaled icon instead which is what we'd want to until 3D models are there. Not sure it's something that can be easily changed now?

Also we can update https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Generator_-_Old now 😄

[proud cobalt]

Discussed with @digital helm previously, preferred with the model included. possible to change with bot though

[languid kayak]

or maybe we can change that in the infobox itself @digital helm ?

[proud cobalt]

I think he wanted it so that the icon can be clicked and model added, or when model was uploaded its already populated

It is about 2000 pages though

[languid kayak]

I think something's wrong with these pages too: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Aiming_I:

[languid kayak]

yeah, I realized it might be handy

I wonder if it's possible to have the icon clickable for the model upload, but actually show pixelated icon until then?

The main issue is that the current version is kinda offputting for the casual viewer 😩

[naive imp]

We'll see. I have to actually get to my PC first so this is all speculation

Romance getting in the way lol

[languid kayak]

I hope it won't backfire too, ETAs are PITA

[proud cobalt]

🤔 Oh theres meant to be something after :

[languid kayak]

btw, I realized that there's Aiming, Reloading and Long Blade books now, but nothing for the other skills, weird

I'd like other melee weapons to have books too

btw, there are two icons missing it seems:
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=AntlerFlint.png
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=WaterDish_Grey.png

not sure if they are shipped in the game?

[proud cobalt]

Vail uploaded the ones he found, theres probably some missing in game

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/FISH_DEV_ITEM_(NOT_SPAWN) interesting 😄

[proud cobalt]

I saw this one lol

I added the revision link to the stable version of page version. @digital helm Mostly a stop gap while articles are partly updated

[languid kayak]

btw, you did update the oldids of all the pages just befor b42 like you said you did? or are there some oldids to be filled manually still?

I added an outfit task at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#Job_board but now that b42 is live, the whole project would need clearing I guess 😄

[proud cobalt]

Not since i did it the first time, that should have covered 99.9% of pages

[languid kayak]

Also the three tasks at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks

[languid kayak]

some things like outfits I updated since then will not be at last revision then, so I guess we should manually add oldids when we switch to b42 then 🤔 . Unless for outfits you will do that with the script.

I started adding variants but then b42 dropped 😄 I made it up to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Gas_2_Go_(male)

oh something broke in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_reference_errors btw

I mean in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update 😛

[proud cobalt]

ohh weird, i'll revert my change

[languid kayak]

I wonder if the revision names will stay, so far that's the only number changing now

behold Project Zomboid 0.2.0r RC2.9.9.17 (Build 42.0.0 rev:25072)!

[proud cobalt]

(zb)(steam)

[serene sage]

it's increasing logarithmically

it'll get closer to but never reach 1.0

[languid kayak]

so far we never approached RC3 😄

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/General_John_McGrew Our boi the General now has a picture.

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw that too. I have yet to add all these bits like the mayor

Also, not sure you guys realized, but the voices we got are the same as pictures and the missing one seems to be Dr Cortman's name

[tulip kiln]

I guess I'll add this to the Knox Infection page, since it was about a military chemical spill occuring days before the outbreak.

[serene sage]

seems suspicious

chemical spill, eh?

[tulip kiln]

Yeah there's quite a few stuff we can add to the lore pages, like the pic of St Peregrin being overrun

The Evac Camp being overrun too

[languid kayak]

🤔

[arctic flame]

how does the update work? if i want to, say, contribute to the wiki on locations is there a process or coordination on that

[proud cobalt]

This is the locations project managed by @naive imp , right now it hasn't been fully updated to include all the additions of B42 in its job board. Feel free to have a look around, get an idea of how articles should look, and start working on them.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps

If this is your first time wiki editing, have a read of this too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[arctic flame]

so it looks like the first thing to do would be to add the big new locations

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brandenburg
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ekron
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Irvington

It will be a little more difficult than usual, as we dont have the interactive map

[arctic flame]

yeah, i have the two maps (in game and the illustrated one)

i think the obvious thing to do is to just at least get the major topics like wheres the sanitorium, wheres the airport, etc

[rotund echo]

This photograph was taken before they threw all the M16s into the river

[naive imp]

Hi! Thanks for taking interest. Usually we'd use map.projectzomboid.com for a lot of things but we won't have it for now. I won't be able to make it to my pc until later tonight, but feel free to have a look at other towns for a guideline of how things should look

Articles follow a standardized formatting

[arctic flame]

if it'd be helpful, i can try to contribute some basic info & screenshots of the major locations

[naive imp]

You can use articles of locations in West Point as an example of standardized formatting

[arctic flame]

i'll just toss them into a google drive folder bc i don't quite have the mental capacity to get my writer's groove on

hopefully they can be helpful for somebody else picking up on it?

[naive imp]

Yes sir/madam that would be very helpful

[arctic flame]

also do you know the best way to take screenshots w infinite zoom

[tulip kiln]

Oh shit ye forgot, I'll add this photo of Cal Fairweather

[naive imp]

If you'd like to put them in a gdoc or gsheet it would be best format

[arctic flame]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZNvi93rwkp_w7lhEF8ggs4X0f4hAGuxj?usp=drive_link here's a link to my drive

i have a full res photo of the starting screen map

[naive imp]

All screenshots you see on the wiki of locations are taken using map.projectzomboid.com. however, we will not be able to use it as it has not been updated yet for b42

Screenshots are likely to look a bit janky for a while

[arctic flame]

ah that explains why they're clean

[naive imp]

Once the pzmap updates we will transition to that

[arctic flame]

ok well guess we'll do it the old fashioned way

[naive imp]

For now yes but once the map is updated we will be switching over

[naive imp]

Thank you sir/madam it will be very helpful

If you gain access to anything else do let me know

[arctic flame]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZNvi93rwkp_w7lhEF8ggs4X0f4hAGuxj?usp=sharing

here's a better link

best way to take screenshots i've found is debug mode + no zombies + real time (so you have more hours of daylight lol)

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah also, the reason Brandenburg looks fucked is because a lot of it had been hit by a tornado on April 18.

[arctic flame]

yeah the tornado is.. very obvious

[tulip kiln]

oh really?

I hadn't been paying attention, I thought Brandenburg just got abandoned and overrun by crackheads tbh

[tulip kiln]

ah yeah I see that now lmao

no wonder it's not a spawn town

Alright added a couple of new things to the Knox Event page from the newspapers.

[arctic flame]

created a rough google sheet here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KwfHXgmuV5CNhWSL1hRgw7qjVpZSTgF8mqOYxuGeJMs/edit?usp=sharing

want to note all the major locations, roughly where they are, since there's (imo) too many to cleanly track on the wiki

[naive imp]

Too many? Oh BOY you underestimate our power

[arctic flame]

oh i've seen the page lmao

[naive imp]

Look at the Louisville page

Yup

[arctic flame]

anyway my thinking is to create a page to sort of triage the most important pages and get them up first

and then slowly fill in every spiffo's along the way

and also note which pages need to be updated w/ the new basements & height limit

@naive imp can i clean up the page and delete everything thats striked through?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps

[naive imp]

Not yet for Louisville, they need a final sweep first

I'll handle it in a few hours

Louisville is in a complicated state at the moment

[arctic flame]

right, esp w the new sweep that'll have to happen

[naive imp]

Yup, and the tasks on the job board should stay for archival purposes

I have to do a look and modify the job board

[arctic flame]

well its hard to read w so much crossed out, i'd definitely just delete the ones that are safe so that way a new bounty board can be put up

i'm going to just add the new areas and call it a night in a bit

[naive imp]

I don't think so, every other page is like that

Project I mean

[proud cobalt]

Please dont do that

[naive imp]

Except some have a completed articles section

[proud cobalt]

That should be done by project leader when its completre

[arctic flame]

for sure

[naive imp]

Yeah our projects follow a lot of organization especially by the leader

Thanks for asking and not just going ahead with it

[arctic flame]

i'm currently adding in these sections, should i hold off on that?

[proud cobalt]

You can add those

Anything minor or new feel free to add/alter

[naive imp]

Basically what calvy said. Feel free to add in new stuff especially for build 42. Don't worry I'd you make a mistake, someone will fix it

We all learn someway. Are you new to wiki editing @arctic flame?

[arctic flame]

yep, not done it since high school lol

but only minor things in the tf2 wiki and whatnot lol

[lucid junco]

You sure that it's just a "final sweep"?

[naive imp]

You should look through all of the help Pages. They give you lots of useful information that can help you get started.

Well now probably not since we have to redo a bunch of shit.

[lucid junco]

Lv roofs were specifically outlined by devs

[arctic flame]

ye i've been reading them, its a very... exhaustive wiki

[lucid junco]

So we should test if there are other things that were added

[arctic flame]

b42 is definitely changing a lot on the map end, a quick L/R comparasion says that a lot of muldrough is redone

[lucid junco]

Basements or what not

[naive imp]

We are one of the more well-established and fleshed out once also, especially for locations read the boiler plate for info on standardized formatting.

[lucid junco]

Its a very comprehensive guide

[lucid junco]

But if you don't know how to start, just poke at already existing page

[arctic flame]

yeah for sure, once i'm awake i'll try to get a few things written out, i have next week on "holiday" so will be also getting some writing in hopefully

[lucid junco]

@naive imp
Should also add a task of uploading new signs and logos

[naive imp]

Agreed as soon as I have access to my PC tonight, I'll reorganize the job board so we can get focused.

[proud cobalt]

Ok second time around, language pages updating to 42.0.0 37 hour ETA

[tulip kiln]

For the lore pages, the newspapers mention dogs starting to attack residents and farm animals days prior.

[tulip kiln]

There's also this, maybe affecting the local deer population?

[digital helm]

I would forego the second part of it. And only mention the pzmap not being updated. The site notice is far too big on mobile now imo

[digital helm]

That should be fine to add. I'll try to update tonight (today's to-do list is getting bigger )

[digital helm]

Should be possible, the same way I did the question mark icon. I'll add it to the list 😅

[digital helm]

Thanks, I did mean to do that last night, but forgot

[proud cobalt]

We can also drop the feedback part, it's not particularly necessary. It is quite a hunk of text now

@languid kayak ^

[digital helm]

I agree

[proud cobalt]

Thanks for that. Maybe I'm lucky to be at work now Although I'm catching Faal in edits now

[proud cobalt]

I'll do this than, and shorten the locations section. Can revert if Faal has more feedback/objections

I'm of two minds about this.

On one hand, the question marks show that something needs to be done. That's obvious to us as editors, is it obvious to users?

On the other hand, if we show the icon scaled up, that's a better experience for the user, but doesn't show that something needs to be done.

Maybe, something along the logic of
If model is a redlink, show icon upscale, and add to category "Articles requiring item models".

Or could add to image improvement cat, but that may cause confusion as no Mbox.

[proud cobalt]

Reply ^
Also ping @languid kayak

[digital helm]

Ty

[digital helm]

That's a good point. That was the reason for the question mark in the first place. I guess what you've said should be good.
Using the icon, adding the category, but also making it link to the upload page for the model name?
As editors we should easily notice that the model is missing

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I think that's best. Clicking to upload can make our life easier too

@digital helm you ok if I wipe the name changes and new items from B42 update and link to item list and Autogenerated category?

[digital helm]

Radio transcripts coming soon

person1|I lost everything...<br>
person2|Brandenburg needs your help.<br>
person3|It's like everyone's forgotten us...<br>
person2|The effects of spring's devastating tornado are still being felt.<br>
The federal government has promised financial assistance...<br>
... but Brandenburg needs help now.<br>
person4|My kids live in a motel. How long can this go on for?<br>
person2|Call 555-6782 to donate to the Brandenburg Local Relief Fund.<br>
Together, we can rebuild.<br>
Thank you.<br>

[digital helm]

yes please, go ahead

I still need to go through it after the release

I was hesitant to add any future features until it was released since a lot of it will need to be wiped anyway

@serene sage here's the new radio adverts if you want to add to the wiki. All ready and in wiki template format. Just needs persons added.
I'd add to the wiki myself but don't have time to categorise it all rn
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adverts

There were also some changes, e.g. Barge-N-Clothes being changed to Barg-N-Clothes. I'll put together a list of changes another day

[proud cobalt]

Thoughts?

[digital helm]

Also needs to remove date and time. That's carried over from radio/tv broadcasts

[digital helm]

That looks good

[proud cobalt]

Don't we all

[digital helm]

I had organised with work months ago to have time over when it got released, but it's too close to Christmas to take time off now 😩

[proud cobalt]

No stress. We do what we can. I think it's been a pretty successful <48 hours

[digital helm]

@serene sage new radio and tv transcripts added
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/KPATV
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Music_Video_Channel
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/National_Sports_TV
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Brennan_Movie_Channel
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/GBC
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/USR

@serene sage

• I've conveniently added the new ones to the see also of these. Later I'd probably change these to relevant channels/stations.
• I haven't gone through them at all. For the old ones I removed any blank time slots, i.e. <bzzt>. You will see some that start again at 9th July. This is because it's a new script entry. So I think these come some time later after the previous script entry (may be randomised?).
• As mentioned above, I'll look at finding differences in the existing transcripts another day. This'd be an automated process.

[digital helm]

Knox Telecommunications lore https://pzwiki.net/wiki/USR#timestamp_1440

Confirmed, virus spreads through copper

[digital helm]

Going to be a bit more work than I had hoped. I hoped I could do something simple like check if item id starts with Magazine 😄 but there's magazines like Crossword and Wordsearch that it would include. So I'll come back to it another day (something that'd also work with newspapers, books, etc.)

[tulip kiln]

I added more photos to the knox event gallery. But I also decided to organise em chronically, we cool with this?

[proud cobalt]

All internet archives related to pz preservation have now been taken down by the internet archive

[digital helm]

Kinda goes against their goal doesn't it...

[digital helm]

I think chronological is good

[digital helm]

Infoboxes for those missing models should look nicer now https://pzwiki.net/wiki/RPG_Manual

[proud cobalt]

Looks and works great. Then when the model is uploaded, it will show the model. Now that's technology

[proud cobalt]

You'd think so. I think they just lost a pretty hard case in court though

[digital helm]

Followed by a major hack too

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I forgot about that too

A huge ddos attack

[digital helm]

Axes in build 41 vs 42

[proud cobalt]

Jesus

[digital helm]

slightly concerned about load time

Seems a lot more items use IconsForTexture now though. Instead of having several item IDs just for a different icon

[proud cobalt]

Do they have sticky row and column too?

[proud cobalt]

Hmmm

[digital helm]

long blunt before was 825 lines for the table, and it's now 1981

[digital helm]

They don't... must've forgotten to add that

[proud cobalt]

Regarding Crafting recipes. I think we should wait for a reasonable amount of time, at minimum Until all the Crafting is implemented. It would be a waste to spend hours updating recipes every unstable patch. We have the note about being B41 on them for now. But I'm after thoughts and feedback/ solutions too. @digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp

[digital helm]

I agree, but we may get to a point where we need to just get to adding them. But right now I'd say they're low priority. Definitely something I'd want to automate if we can

to me everything else is more important right now 😄

[proud cobalt]

I'd also like to tag some other people for their opinion, but if I don't write a message the bot will get mad at me. @lucid junco @serene sage

[languid kayak]

go on if you didn't already, wa sthinking abiut the length too

[languid kayak]

tf2 wiki is actuslly really similar to pzwiki

[serene sage]

praise vail

that certainly makes things easier

[digital helm]

I built the template around the tool, so I don't expect anyone to have to try add it all manually 😄

[serene sage]

seems fine to me, a lot is probably going to change relatively quickly; there’s other places to put more effort in at the moment

[digital helm]

Melee weapons and firearms on the weapons page are updated to b42 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons
Ammo, parts and explosives will come later

Verifying or updating any existing info (text) on that page is appreciated

[serene sage]

a whole firearms revamp yet not even a single new gun

[proud cobalt]

Oh there's an item called axe that's picking up the redirect from the old axe

[fallen wren]

im trying to view the new wiki update on the items page and its already taking a minute to load lol

[fallen wren]

its actually bad enough that it decided to hang and stopped loading not even half way

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm could you get them a link with vector22 skin forced to check that

[fallen wren]

oh now its even worse, i just scrolled till the axes part and i cant scroll further nor click any of the links

[digital helm]

is this better? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapons?useskin=vector-2022

[fallen wren]

is better,

[digital helm]

Oh, you're on the item page. Yeah, that's going to be terrible with this update

[fallen wren]

but yea its gonna suck lol

it really has a long loading time

[digital helm]

We'll likely have to completely redesign that page. It's far too long

[fallen wren]

something like the drop down menus perhaps?

[digital helm]

unfortunately everything in them loads on page load, not when they're opened

[fallen wren]

not even every item yet in the tables and its that bad

i have only edited a few other wikis before, not sure what could be a good solution

i could think of two solutions with what i know, either have links that link to their seperate categories, which already exist, or remove or do something about each item icon

[digital helm]

I was looking at something like that a while ago. Just a list of each item with a link to the item's page. Which will still allow people to use find in their browser to quickly get the item they want https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox_3
We may have to do something like that

we'd of course keep the links to the 'list' pages at the top. Just won't have all the tables of every item in the game on a single page

[fallen wren]

there also something that needs to be done with duplicate entries, ones that have a different texture where its a gif that changes to each texture (still on the item page)

[digital helm]

That's because they're technically different items. They have a different ID. So if it's crafted it'll only look like the second, but if found in the world it'll look like the first.
I may look at merging if we feel the need, but that'd be very low priority right now

[fallen wren]

i see

lol

fish

[digital helm]

I was thinking about filtering that one out 😄 but thought, nope, it's in the game now

[fallen wren]

oh to kill zombies by slapping them with a fish

[digital helm]

@languid kayak @proud cobalt How do we feel about this on the item page and only transclude the weapons page, like I did way back in 2019 (for this reason, funnily enough) 😄
before https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Item&oldid=42494
after https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Item&oldid=42607

[fallen wren]

also shoutout to debug yardstick

[arctic flame]

whats the ideal proportion for images?

[lucid junco]

The one you feel like its good

[arctic flame]

I'm trying to get a handle on this vsr, super frustrating to use

apparently if I set my resolution high enough I can zoom out further

[lucid junco]

Now that Im thinking about it.. @naive imp what if we used for now only the door images for infobox?

While whole building shots would be nice, they wouldn't be as good of quality as on pz map

[arctic flame]

I'm curious if the high res stuff will get decent screenshot

I have a 4k TV so I'll plug into that maybe and see how it looks

[lucid junco]

Not to discourage you or anything as myself a "put out your best" type of guy, but they probably will be replaced when blindcoder updates pz maps, just because they will be the clearest shots of the businesses that you can get

Still thank you for doing this

As a sidenote, @naive imp Ive always thought about using map tool or building tool for some screenshots

[arctic flame]

oh for sure

do you know why theres a delay in that?

[lucid junco]

Map tool is not working

And other code that was used to generate map of pz

Something to do with the new basement system

And wildlife

Not a proper coder to tell the details

But it would take up to somewhere around January to fix it

[languid kayak]

At least I don't haveto patrol them all now 😄

[languid kayak]

we have mboxes anf category to show things need to be done

[digital helm]

January would be the absolute earliest and even that I think is overly ambitious. B41 map wasn't updated until it went to stable, same with previous updates

[arctic flame]

wow

well for now i'm taking on brandenberg, trying to build a rough annotated map w/ rough screenshots & a description of all the POIs

[languid kayak]

speaking of annotated maps, I think the new areas don't have them or am I mistaken?

We had these created as a placeholder:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Brandenburg)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Irvington)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Annotated_Map_(Ekron)

[arctic flame]

I've not found any yet but I'm mostly just playing in god mode getting screenshots

this is my map, all i hope for is somebody with more vfx skills than i can clean it up a bit

[serene sage]

indeed, I'll have to stop playing the game and go back to slaving away in debug mode like old times

I know from Reddit that one of them has some colorful words on it

[arctic flame]

i'm going to execute MS paint

it crashed and i lost like 45 mins of annotations

that app cant be trusted 😠

[tulip kiln]

Oh yeah, we've also got a possible explanation on the foul smell, so that could just be a red herring and not related to the outbreak.

Potentially just invasive algae, but do keep in mind, this is just a geography teacher, not a team of scientists.

[languid kayak]

@digital helm it seems there's been some error exporting tiles list (which I think should be called movables actually now?) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list#Full_Jorge_Foreguy_Barbecue_=_"Full_Hector_Lopez_Barbecue",

[digital helm]

Not really an error, just the uncomplicated way that the script works. It just treats comments as headings.
We could move to moveables if you'd like

It only looks at the translation file. Ideally we'd look at the tile data directly

[tulip kiln]

More photos for the timeline

[digital helm]

That in itself, just reading the captions, is a good overview of the timeline

[tulip kiln]

Ye since the whole knox event page is a timeline itself, I made the gallery also work like a picture timeline.

[digital helm]

Yeah, I think it's great

[languid kayak]

that's neat

[tulip kiln]

Also does it make sense to change this part in the timeline? Cause that line feels like it implies Knox Telecommunications took the lines down for maintenance, but this newspaper story/statement from them indicates the whole system went down unexpectedly and they were trying to fix it.

[languid kayak]

sounds like "mainteneance" in corporate speak 😄

[tulip kiln]

Ya they could just be lying.

[digital helm]

Maybe put "maintenance" in italics or quotes? I'd still consider it maintenance, whether it's planned, unplanned or intentional

[tulip kiln]

Yeah I could do that

[digital helm]

Weird that a telecom company would intentionally cut wires for their customers, even if under the direction of the government

[tulip kiln]

Also in the "weeks prior" section, would it be fair to add that rabies had been spotted in the region? While it wasn't explicticly said until July 6, there's stories about a deer acting unusually aggressive, a rise in dog attacks on people and livestock etc.

I feel like that sort of implies that "rabies" had been spreading among the animal population for weeks at least.

[digital helm]

I think that's fair to say. But written along the lines of it's 'assumed', then you can link/reference newspaper if you'd like

[proud cobalt]

I think neccesary

[digital helm]

Btw @tulip kiln apparently Americans and PZ spell Flyer as "Flier". I noticed you linked a few articles to Flyer https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Flier

[proud cobalt]

Where'd you get the map? Or is it an old top down version that had Brandenburg

[arctic flame]

in game map

[tulip kiln]

God damn it americans

[proud cobalt]

Nice, looks good

[digital helm]

There's a PZ cartography tool. I forget what it's called. You can even modify the colours used

Should be on the forums

[tulip kiln]

I've uploaded like maybe nearly 2 dozen flyers already, so now those are all "misspelt" 😠

[proud cobalt]

Specific items in specifical languages are reverting to English skill names again, i remember having this issue a while ago. I will try fix it for the next unstable patch, but until then it stays lol
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Katana/tr&diff=prev&oldid=710427

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt this https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21633-cartozed/#comment-249061

No idea if it works in b42

[proud cobalt]

Oh this is what blindcoders original tool was based off

https://github.com/blind-coder/pz-mapmap

[digital helm]

I haven't seen this. Pretty cool

[proud cobalt]

In his own words, he doesnt use it anymore because its so slow 😆

Based on cartozed made by turbo
https://github.com/blind-coder/pz-mapmap/blob/master/MapMap/Program.cs

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm I've also added my list, and some big comments to seperate them in editor. Thoughts?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list

Btw grey lamp is used for 90+ different tiles 😆

The joys of unstable

[digital helm]

Yeah that's good. I'll have to take a look at your script and see if we can merge them eventually 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the script needs some work to update to b42, but the parser works which is the hardest part

Have another 2 days off from tomrrow, may get to it then

[digital helm]

If the parser isn't broken you got lucky 😄

[proud cobalt]

Very

The actual parsing works fine, as far as i can tell. Its the formatting that i need to update

[digital helm]

I have 2 weeks off after today, so hope to get a lot set up

[proud cobalt]

Also need to check if there's any new parameters that need adding

[digital helm]

Really cool. I'll take a closer look later and see what we can do with the names

[languid kayak]

I will have a week off too; wiki power! 😄

[proud cobalt]

Updated the format of B42 page
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42#Unstable_Build_42.0.0

[digital helm]

Was it you that suggested splitting changelogs onto separate pages? Or was o dreaming?

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak I think

[digital helm]

Just wondering if we should do that. On one hand it adds a LOT of new pages, some of which will have very few notes. On the other, it'll make it a lot easier to navigate.

I look at the b41 page and it's so messy

[proud cobalt]

It is a lot of pages, but also they dont really have any maintenance to them 🤔

[serene sage]

currently wasting time watching TV in PZ to figure out some information about these channels

looks like there are insurance scams out there, someone bought car insurance for six bucks a year and it was a sham

[languid kayak]

yeah, I still think it's a sane way? Else we'll get behemoths like build 41 page; also easier to link to

(in the history section)

btw @proud cobalt is this edit is correct or do we keep Vegitation as I think that's how it's in game?

[proud cobalt]

I know the one you mean, in game it is spelt the original way

[digital helm]

Sounds realistic

[languid kayak]

the "patch notes" for b42 are here on forums: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/72761-build-42-unstable-released/ kinda

We also had a minor fix bumpbing revisions by a few numbers that removed the loading screens and main menu

[digital helm]

I'm happy to go ahead with it. Will have to think about how the infobox will work though

[serene sage]

they junked their car and when they called to start a claim the phone number was offline

pretty typical scam

[languid kayak]

btw, anyone have any idea why the public build was updated? https://steamdb.info/app/108600/depots/

it'd be this: https://steamdb.info/app/108600/history/?changeid=26684706

[languid kayak]

oh yeah, forgot to link it 😄 but yeah https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Mail_Box&curid=43327&diff=664019&oldid=584183

[lucid junco]

Could

[digital helm]

To remove the loading screen images and main menu?

[tulip kiln]

Yeah to be fair, this guy doesn't sound like an expert, they're just a school geography teacher.

[languid kayak]

but the public is 41.78.16?

[serene sage]

that was b42 only though

b41 wasn't changed

[languid kayak]

42.0.0 is unstable, public should be 41.78.16

[digital helm]

Ohhhh I have no idea 🙂

[languid kayak]

I just don't want to switch version over and over, but if no one does I might 😄

[serene sage]

good luck finding the one typo they probably fixed, if that at all

[languid kayak]

which would be weird, as 41.78.16 didn't see even that. I'll check now

maybe some announcement for b42 in b41? I'll see

oh btw, file size of b42 vs b41. Though not so weird, especially as b42 doesn't have files compressed into archives (which I believe should be done at one point? as it should affect performance too, especially under Windows' NTFS, as small files are worse for game to handle than one big archive)

huh

huh, that was really the case? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Smoker&curid=18425&diff=664049&oldid=598613 Is it still in b42?

Pinging @lucid junco as it was you adding it 😄

I just realized it should be @serene sage to credit all the way along 😄

while reddit credited some random guy, it's the mid that was the pzwiki guy with a crystal ball; something definitely to note in the summary 😄

btw @lucid junco we move the Corn maze when in fact it's the actual name on the map now 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Corn_maze&action=history

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Summer_fair&oldid=353685

[lucid junco]

Dammit

[proud cobalt]

Adds 31 bytes. So maybe a link or something

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Knox_Knews Ok, created the Knox Knews page, it's super barebones in it's current state tho.

Mainly made it just so I have somewhere to put the newspaper images

[proud cobalt]

Just adding stub so we come back to it. Should it also be 42.0.0?

[tulip kiln]

Oh shit yeah it should, only just got aded in 42, it didn't exist before that.

I'ma make a stub for the Louisville Sun Times as well, put pics of the newspapers there.

[languid kayak]

I like it! Very informative for lore. Should make subproject for those I guess as part of lore 😄 Pinging @serene sage too

(anyway, off to sleep, 4 am :D)

[proud cobalt]

Np fixed that up

[serene sage]

how should the main newspaper article be handled? currently it’s been updated to become the so-called “old newspaper” which is quite different from the readable newspapers: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Old_Newspaper

[serene sage]

yes it’s quite helpful, the more people work on lore stuff the less I have to worry about

[serene sage]

if only the crystal ball could give me sone lottery numbers, that would be nice

[tulip kiln]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_Sun_Times Ok made the other stub.

[lucid junco]

Changed localisation files

I just started to believe

Mid's crystal ball is never wrong

If you exclude all the times it was

[lucid junco]

Ask it when pz map gets an update

[serene sage]

February 23, 2025

[naive imp]

Woah where did the time go

I load up b42 and after 2 hours it's suddenly been 8 hours

Man it's Civilization all over again...

[digital helm]

The previous newspaper was renamed to old newspaper. I'll be working on the naming for the new newspaper items in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Item_list#Literature

I think we should have the "Newspaper" article which can explain the functionality of the newspapers in general. Then get more specific about what is in each newspaper on their own pages. E.g. "Newspaper (Louisville Sun Times)"

[digital helm]

Oh no... the years I've lost...

[naive imp]

Me but XCOM

Seriously underrated but the old games are BRUTAL

And also made before I was born btw

Feel old?

[digital helm]

Yes... yes I do

[naive imp]

Feel free to have a crack at as to when

[digital helm]

2004?

[naive imp]

Bingo

You looked through your dms didn't you

[digital helm]

where's my crystal ball

[digital helm]

I just remembered 😄

[naive imp]

Lol I've always been the young one

It does put you on a pedestal of sorts

[digital helm]

But you won't always be the young one. You'll get old, just like the rest of us

[naive imp]

Tbh I'm alright with that

Wisdom and whatnot

[digital helm]

I never noticed these emotes

[naive imp]

Me neither maybe they're new?

[digital helm]

Maybe. We're famous :3

[lucid junco]

Feel that for xcom eu

Was the first strategy game I had played

[naive imp]

No flex but I have an Ironman save file on impossible at temple ship assault

[lucid junco]

Its funny how my gaming experience went from nokia red ball and skyscraper build, straight to xcom

[naive imp]

Well I went from minecraft and farming Sim to xcom so idk

Xcom 2 is pretty good too love that character creator

Not a fan of chimera squad tho

[lucid junco]

Nah I mean, I didn't have a proper pc until 2012 xcom release

So it went from nokia java mobile games to xcom with no intermission

[lucid junco]

Still hadn't been able to play it

Day 3 of no b42

[naive imp]

Oh wth lol

[naive imp]

You are in unstable right? Or are you having the dreaded crashing issue?

Bc if so I have a potential fix for you

[lucid junco]

I have a dreaded life issue

[naive imp]

NOOOOOOOOO

rip

[lucid junco]

Is there a hotfix to it

[naive imp]

Stupid reality getting on the way

Can't have shit in this metaphysical dimension

[lucid junco]

2024+years without patches to real life

Not even hotfixes

Maybe more, but we've started properly naming quarters with no updates only 2024 years ago

Anyway, Ill probably not be able to play it until I finish all the signs

[digital helm]

There's quite a few in the game files now. So they may add more

[lucid junco]

They definitely did

Add more

And there are some unique to fliers

Like a West Point DIY

[rotund echo]

I based there so many times, but I still never knew the name anyway, LMAO

[lucid junco]

It didn't have one

It used to be just hardware store

[rotund echo]

I know

I mean I based and looted and the place so many times before

[digital helm]

I wonder if we should include cough_chance for smokable items in the item infobox. E.g. Cigar has a 1 in 5 chance with smoker trait, and 2 in 3 without @proud cobalt

[proud cobalt]

Oh interesting! I didn't notice that. I think we should

[fallen wren]

has anyone bothered to count how many items there are now

[digital helm]

4643. There were 2061 in b41 (with my filtering of obsolete items, and other non-items)

[digital helm]

I've updated the smoker page with these values https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Smoker I need to run, so may have messed up. Will check later

[rain pewter]

hey I'm looking to find how to make the crude saw, and I'd like to edit the wiki once I figure it out, is there not a recipie or can I be guided how to find it? I think I got the wiki editing after it down. I've noticed most of the pages are auto-generated so I think there isn't

[proud cobalt]

That looks good

[proud cobalt]

We're still discussing the best way to do new recipes. As it's quite a lengthy process to do all of them. Not sure whether we should start adding new ones now though. The issue is being this early into B42, and also not all Crafting implemented, it will all have to be redone likely multiple times. We were going to wait until a month or so before starting to update them. But new recipes can maybe be added if people want. I'll ping @digital helm and @languid kayak to spark some more discussion

[rain pewter]

The pages are already there, I assume it can be edited in the event it's changed but for now the pages exist..

[proud cobalt]

Crafting recipes doesn't go on pages, it goes in the Crafting template:

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Recipe_list

We're also looking to be able to do this automatically, but that hasn't even been started to be looked at yet. It's only day 2 of B42

The pages are there mostly for the Infobox and location table, as they are already automated by me and @digital helm

Also the tenplate is incredibly large, we were kind of hoping to have lua before B42

[rain pewter]

Oh, pardon me, I meant more along the lines of information on it and it's use, recipe wise for most new primitive items are underdefined, based on the file I see the crude saw is defined in the blacksmith_ii.txt which means I likely would find it in a forge but I'm unsure how that could work. If you can point me in the direction I'd greatly appreciate it, same with the other recipes perhaps such as the "butcher small animal" one, as I ran into an issue (I've reported it on the forums) but I've not sure as to why it's broken and not detecting a dead mouse correctly and wanted to see if I could figure it out.

As for your comment, what do you mean by having Lua before 42, like in the MediaWiki or something else?

[proud cobalt]

I'm not sure what you mean. If you want to add information on its use that can be done by editing the article. The Autogenerated articles are simple a shell so there's something there. They need to be filled out by editors still.

Adding recipes is different to adding usage. Recipes and Crafting have to be added in that template

[digital helm]

Bare with me as I'm a little lost. Recipes are defined on the page that Calvy linked. It's a 'template' which is a centralised place we can call a specific recipe which will be displayed in a preformatted table.

We're waiting for Lua to be added to the MediaWiki installation so we can write templates in Lua instead MediaWiki's dodgy makeshift programming language

As for the script files, everything has been reorganised, so we're still working through it. The entire format that recipes are defined has completely changed too. So we need to sort through that before we'll know which direction to take recipes

[rain pewter]

I completely understand MW can be terrible to work with and I love Lua, I've been using it for years it's so much better than that lol. I'm new to everything so I'm just trying to help out some people who are playing the beta in VC and we've started a test primitive run to see how we can survive off the land alone. It's not urgent at all, so please take your times, I understand everything is chaos right now.

[proud cobalt]

To add on, lua is much faster than MediaWiki language, which we already have multiple issues with slowing down page load times.

[proud cobalt]

Anything you find about how an item can be used, can be added to the relevant page. It won't be overridden by a bot

[fallen wren]

assuming that includes every unique variation of magazines, fliers, etc., damn.

[serene sage]

what’s weird is that the old newspapers have a right click option of “read” but the player is unable to click it

wonder what they’re planning

[digital helm]

Nah it doesn't actually. That's only unique item IDs. Those items use the same ID and just change the title. So including all the magazines, books, VHSes, CDs, etc. it's probably something like another 2000 items

[digital helm]

I wonder if that's just a bug, from when adding the new ones (?)

[thin cloud]

Nothing, that's a bug

[rotund echo]

I wish you could read your own ID card that was provided automatically though

[serene sage]

would be funny if it just opened the character info panel

[serene sage]

1,500 book/magazine titles, 500 photograph descriptions, I would say its an additional 2300-2500 in total

[rotund echo]

Looks like Zomboid map isn't actually named "Knox Country" and instead goes off irl counties

I found this sheriff car in the Riverside P.D. parking lot

[digital helm]

Yeah that's probably more accurate

[digital helm]

Yeah it's just the name given to the area, like a colloquial name, from my understanding. Good to have in-game confirmation of the existence of counties though

[rotund echo]

In my own headcanon, people just call it "Knox Country" because it's around Fort Knox, but the political/actual names are still the real county names

Looks like this car proves my headcanon correct

[digital helm]

Exactly

From a newspaper
military yesterday blocked roads and highways leading to and from the area of Kentucky known as "Knox Country", without declaring the reason for doing so.

[serene sage]

this makes the OG name of Knox County even more wrong

[rotund echo]

Why do they name it Knox County in the first place?

I think I heard on Reddit, that the dev mistakenly thought Muldraugh was in Knox, when it was actually in Meade

"Meade Infection"

[serene sage]

“mead infection”

zombies are just drunk people

[rotund echo]

Lmao, yes

[digital helm]

Yeah, they thought Fort Knox was in Knox County

[arctic flame]

bc the devs are british and just assumed wrong lol

[rotund echo]

They add new county now to Zomboid - Breckinridge

[rotund echo]

Meade and Hardin:

[lucid junco]

I love the looks of the fresh install of windows

[pure osprey]

Hey yall, will running the online map github project thing work for b42?

[arctic flame]

soon™️

apparently theres code issues that'll take a few weeks to work thru

[pure osprey]

aw man was hoping i could make my own local map

thx for responding so i dont waste my time though

[flint vapor]

Hello everyone, finally going to look into creating pages for the modding Wiki

[proud cobalt]

The tool currently doesn't work. It's an open source project so we have no idea if it will ever be updated. It also takes up about 600gb of space

[proud cobalt]

Sounds great, let us know if you need any help

[digital helm]

Literally about send the same, word for word 😆

[flint vapor]

The main challenge is learning how to write in wiki

Tho I already came like 2 months ago to ask stuff about the wiki and took note of it on the modding Discord

So I'll try stuff

[digital helm]

Here's a cheatsheet for the basics https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Cheatsheet

[flint vapor]

Didn't have that one, thx

[digital helm]

And anything specific to our wiki would be on one of these help pages https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

such as tables

[flint vapor]

Yea I had that link, got to read it

[loud anvil]

are we to add 42.00.1 hotfix to the build 42 page?

[digital helm]

Yeah, we're working through it, but feel free

We'll be adjusting the way the changelog is recorded though compared to previous versions

[loud anvil]

ah alright, thanks for letting me know

[rotund echo]

I let a cow out of a trailer and mfer gave me a groin laceration in return

[flint vapor]

So, you don't have pages based on versions of the game do you ?

[rotund echo]

The hell

Wrong channel

[digital helm]

Unfortunately not. But that doesn't have to be the case for modding.

We use {{Page_version|42.0.0}} to signify when it was updated to

[flint vapor]

My current goal is to basically reexplain my guide for https://discord.com/channels/908422782554107904/1318346344636612699, which is different based on if you're decompiling B41 or B42

[digital helm]

In the page name, maybe just include (Build 41) or something

[flint vapor]

So two different pages ?

[digital helm]

Yeah, I think that's fine. Especially for right now when b41 is the stable version

[flint vapor]

Bcs I don't feel like it's worth doing two pages, there's going to be some explanation of what accessing the java is for etc which should be the same for any version

[digital helm]

It's up to you tbh. But if you wanted to, that's fine

[flint vapor]

Hmm

[digital helm]

I should add to this. We have a link to old revisions from before b42 came out. {{Page_version|42.0.0|3}}, for example. 3 is the oldid. e.g. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?oldid=3

[flint vapor]

Not sure what's that even used for or what it means ngl

[proud cobalt]

Updated
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Build_42#Unstable_Build_42.0.1_hotfix

[proud cobalt]

It's a way for us to satisfy those that complain we are updating to B42. It's a permanent link to the B41 version of that article

[flint vapor]

Do you guys have an example page which you think would be fitting visually for a guide on how to decompile the java ?

[proud cobalt]

It's kind of new territory. Here's some other modding guides
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Creating_dynamic_radio_channels
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adding_new_tiles
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/How_to_make_a_clothing_mod

However, feel free to create a new style that is better. These were only pieced together by different editors

[flint vapor]

It's mostly for an example of what's possible and fitting for such a page, thank you

[proud cobalt]

Np

@digital helm Working as intended
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Aluminum_Foil/it&curid=72799&diff=720027&oldid=697633

[flint vapor]

Soooo what the fuck is this typing exactly

{{About|[[modding]] to create new dynamic radio broadcasts|a list of radio channels|Radio#Frequencies and broadcasts}}

Bcs this makes me extremely confused on how it can even output a proper sentence

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:About

[digital helm]

Very cool. Contributions to Italian before English 😄

[digital helm]

Templates can be a bit like this. It's a case of the sentence is already structured and you just fill in the blanks

[flint vapor]

Isn't there an equivalent to simple code like on Discord ?

[proud cobalt]

<code>TEXT</code>

[flint vapor]

Thx !

[digital helm]

@serene sage I've moved Newspaper tasks from b42 project to lore project https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Lore#Newspapers
I'll be moving books, etc. too

[proud cobalt]

Cleanup looks good btw, not sure if i replied to your message last night @digital helm

[digital helm]

Now just to find all the new changes

[flint vapor]

Any tutorial on code snippets ? There seems to be quite a few parameters

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeBox
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:CodeSnip

[flint vapor]

Thx !

[proud cobalt]

You can use codesnips outside of codeboxes on modding pages, just use your discretion if theyre huge. we keep them in codeboxes on regular articles.

[flint vapor]

I see thank you

[proud cobalt]

Why did they have to move Axe to firefighter axe and then add a new axe with the same name

[flint vapor]

[digital helm]

No way... 😅

[flint vapor]

Bcs fuck you probably

:D

[proud cobalt]

Yeah Base.Axe_old DisplayName = Axe,

I'm going to have to replace the redirect, and because of the navbox i cant really find what links to it directly...

Oh and also have to keep the skill distinguished 😆

😆

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt did you want workstation stuff moved to SYF project?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah feel free to move it, it may sit still for a bit

[digital helm]

I'll add a new section underneath the rest called Build 41

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm Does the weapons list use the item id dictionary at all?

[digital helm]

yeah

[proud cobalt]

Im just wondering how to handle these forged items

[digital helm]

Most of my scripts use it when generating the link utility.get_page

[proud cobalt]

Like hatchet and hatchet (forged) if i make a hatched (forged) page with the item HandAxeForged it will link correctly?

[digital helm]

Yeah, it'll update it

[proud cobalt]

Alright theres quite a few to do first

I'll have to give you an updated item dictionary when im done

[digital helm]

I'll need to do the same with newspapers, etc.

[proud cobalt]

Alright ill work on creating pages for 'forged' items, we will likely need to add about to each forged/non forged version too. @languid kayak so he can add that when he sees it too

[arctic flame]

anyone want to work on map updates tonight

[serene sage]

this is devastating

turns out annotated maps can now lead to places outside of the main towns

and the stash debugger tool no longer teleports you to the area when you spawn a map in

I have to literally guess where something like this is

[flint vapor]

Done with the first Wiki page to be create by the modding community
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Decompiling_game_code

Informations might get added a bit later. I'm aware some of the writing might not be perfectly fitting to the wiki, I barely ever read the wiki so it's hard to judge on that

Turns out a page about decompiling already existed so I just updated that one, which was basically empty

I hope this starts putting in motion the creation of a bunch of modding resources which for some we already have in our own format on the modding Discord

[digital helm]

Looks good. I wouldn't stress about the writing style. Modding articles are expected to be different from the main game content since it'll be written as more of a guide

[flint vapor]

Thanks 👌

I've marked myself as leader for the modding project

Not like anyone's gonna give a shit anyway I feel like

Next page will be about code optimizations I think, I'll see

[digital helm]

It at least gives people that want to contribute a point of contact

Only a few new crops https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Update#Crops

[flint vapor]

👀

[proud cobalt]

We're faster than TIS

[digital helm]

Items page shortened significantly. Now it only takes 5 seconds for me to load instead of 30+ https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item

[proud cobalt]

Much faster, is weapons transcluded on purpose?

[digital helm]

Yeah, I figured I'd leave just one. At least for now

[proud cobalt]

If there was one to leave, its probably weapons

[digital helm]

That's the one most people are after it seems

[digital helm]

All b42 food added to the nutritional values page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nutritional_values
It's going to take a bit of time to update the food page

[lucid junco]

@digital helm https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Jackie_Jaye&diff=next&oldid=626107

No it isn't?

The name in the vhs is Jacqueline

[rotund echo]

Jackie is a nickname of Jacqueline

[digital helm]

It could be. It ends with I now pronounce you Mr and Mrs Jaye

I think it's enough to say it is

Here's the full transcirpt

"Home VHS: Wedding video!!!!"
"We are gathered together here to join this man and this woman in matrimony."
"If anyone can show just cause why this man and this woman may not lawfully"
"be joined together..."
"... let them speak now or hereafter remain silent."
"Sam. Will you take this woman to be your wedded wife,"
"To live together in the estate of matrimony?"
"Will you love, honor and keep her..."
"...in sickness and in health ..."
"... and forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto her."
"As long as you both shall live?"
"I will."
"Jacqueline, will you take this man to be your wedded husband."
"Will you love, honor and keep him..."
"... in sickness and in health..."
"... and forsaking all others, keep yourself only until him..."
"... so long as you both shall live?"
"<bzzt> <fzzt>"
"Now, by the authority vested in me by the State of Kentucky..."
"... and the Office of Mayor of the City of Muldraugh..."
"... I pronounce you to be husband and wife..."
"... and extend to you my best wishes for a long and happy life together."
"Ladies and gentlemen..."
"May I present Mr. & Mrs. Jaye!"

[lucid junco]

Still, I don't feel like it is worth mentioning

[rotund echo]

I mean, someone added a trivia, and that trivia, at the very least, seems correct

[lucid junco]

There are probably more than one Jackie in the world

[digital helm]

Really? Why not? It's an article about Jackie Jaye, so I think a reference to her is worth mentioning

but more than one Jackie Jaye?

In Muldraugh?

[rotund echo]

There's only one character named Jacqueline "Jackie" Jaye in Zomboid lol

[digital helm]

From that I think it's safe to say we know she's married to a man named Sam

[lucid junco]

And we still dont know how she looks

Its weird how much it feels like we know about Jackie, yet how little there is actually about her or most of the reporters

[digital helm]

Maybe that's why we're starting to see little things like this? To flesh out their characters

I imagine them being living NPCs would help too

[lucid junco]

At least they would talk something about themselves

[rotund echo]

I wonder if Jackie Jaye zombie actually spawns in the game world

[proud cobalt]

That would be too much to ask

[tulip kiln]

Especially since doesn't she get put down not long after she turns?

By that one group that takes over the station

[echo herald]

||She does spawn||

[thin cloud]

I honestly don't remember this. Don't think it's her because she probably has a specific house.

[thin cloud]

The sign of a good reporter!

[digital helm]

Think we should expect this to change? Someone created an account just to add it to Jackie's page 😅

[tulip kiln]

we might need a dr cortman page now too.

Isn't there a picture of them as an item. Plus they get interviewed in one of the newspapers (and is probably 100% dead by the time that newspaper gets published lmao)

[digital helm]

Yeah https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Picture_of_Dr._Cortman I wouldn't be so sure she'd be dead. A fair bit of work to create that artwork just to kill her off. I'd assume a possible story character

[tulip kiln]

Probably, just that it doesn't sound like she has good chances of surviving. Tons of people going to her clinic with bite marks and "symptoms of rabies"

Then the day after that interview, the whole area is quarantined? Doesn't sound like great chances.

[digital helm]

That's a good point

[tulip kiln]

Still a chance tho, cause from what she said, people were being sent over to a military hospital near/at Fort Knox due to how many cases.

[digital helm]

Hmm.. may see her there then?

I haven't read it yet

[languid kayak]

not sure if it was responded already, but I guess they should be split? Rename was automatic I think

[languid kayak]

What's more important; winning the lottery or zomboid build 42?

[digital helm]

You'll get to it, but #pzwiki_editing message

[tulip kiln]

Imagine being that one poor fuckin bastard that wins the mega jackpot on the scratch ticket and then the military mysteriously quarantines your entire area lmao

[languid kayak]

How do you think I went to sleep at 6 AM 😄

[languid kayak]

you did too good job on those, sorry.

[proud cobalt]

Oh i didn't see that. nice!

[languid kayak]

I never played Xcom, but I loved the Jagged Alliance 2, same pack. The detailed descriptions sparked my interest toward real life guns 😄

[tulip kiln]

jagged alliance fans rise up

[languid kayak]

ask support in https://www.reddit.com/r/outside/

[proud cobalt]

Oh... so thats cool

[digital helm]

more types of 'crafted' items I just added the clay/ceramic ones

[proud cobalt]

The pot and pan one are split already. Copper pan is going to need to be added for all the variants. pasta, rice, soup, stew, etc

Aka, theyre linking correctly, for the ones that exist already

[digital helm]

I'll add it later. Unless you want to. Kind of over editing that file at this point

[proud cobalt]

I'm more than happy to let it sit like that right now. So much else to do before adding more work to the list

Just leave it there for now

Also i'm going to leave movables for now, most of it is parsing right, but development is far too early for things to be worth adding. Like i said yesterday i think, 100 or so tiles still use gray lamp placeholder

@languid kayak I added autogenerated B42 to site maintenance too. Sorry there's an extra 2000 or so articles 😄

[languid kayak]

you can see the item list in debug (or mp as admin), too.

[echo herald]

There are actually a few characters that have their zombie spots

Nolan spawns at his dealership now

A great name he has

[digital helm]

Poor Nolan

[echo herald]

There are a few other zeds that spawn but I'm yet to find them naturally

Oh right Twiggy spawns at his spot

This might be WP mayor

[languid kayak]

recipes at 41.78.16 were barely accurate; the problem is we don't know how widely different the new crafting will be and how long will it take; there are other tasks to do till then indeed, but having a good crafting would help a lot of people to get into editing wiki much and having them up to date would save some edits for them.

In any case, it's fine to update the recipes manually till then anyway I'd say.

[digital helm]

I don't have a problem with someone updating them manually. Only problem is that it's a lot of work for something that'll be overwritten by an automated process.

Speaking of which, the template will likely need to be rebuilt. Ideally with the automation script and template made simultaneously

[tulip kiln]

That is the WP mayor, that's his name.

He's also noted in the WP town description to frequent Twiggy's

that'd have to be him

[echo herald]

Damn that tan is fake as hell

[proud cobalt]

Vail beat me to it really. It's hard to recommend someone update recipes when they will almost certainly be overwritten either manually or automatically

[echo herald]

The zombie was way paler

[proud cobalt]

THERES TWO OF YOU

I thought it was just a profile picture change

[digital helm]

lol, now who copied who

[tulip kiln]

I'm the original.

[echo herald]

You tell yourself that

[tulip kiln]

whodat

[echo herald]

Twiggy

[tulip kiln]

That makes no sense lol

Twiggy is literally interviewed on the radio

[echo herald]

Yeah

[tulip kiln]

Dude left the area days prior

[echo herald]

But that is twiggy

[tulip kiln]

Ok twiggy jumped the fence back in, to run the bar, he's that dedicated.

[echo herald]

He has his own zone definition

The shirt is randomized, everything else seems to be the same every time

Or actually

Well the baldspot is the same

[digital helm]

His beard has grown https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sir_Twiggy

that's an old image... https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Sir_Twiggy.png

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sir_Twiggy_(outfit)

[digital helm]

ffs

[echo herald]

That's how he looked in the 70's

He's an older man now

Here are some character zone spawns

Some of the character spawns are defined in the building story though

Like WP mayor is

[tulip kiln]

there's no woodcraft host there tho right?

He survived?

[echo herald]

Of course he did

The survivalist guy didn't though

Shameful

[echo herald]

Some of these seem to spawn a horde of zombies without any distinct ones

||Dean might be a random spawn? He appears to spawn alongside a makeshift camp||

[languid kayak]

waiting to hire someont to write them 😄

[languid kayak]

Would be nice indeed, also reading other's cards. Maybe something in future with NPCs?

Would also come nice with some character customization, not sure what ID card in 1993 US comes from, our old IDs had height and eye color written in them (the new ones don't have these anymore, though the fingerprint is stored there digitally I think now)

[digital helm]

wow... big brother. We have name, dob and address...

[languid kayak]

There are fliers referencing to Knox Country though

[languid kayak]

That's win10?

[lucid junco]

It is

[rotund echo]

Then again, the names of the counties Zomboid actually takes place in get referenced as well

[echo herald]

Oh he might be dead

[languid kayak]

should be split to 42.0.0.1 page though?

[lucid junco]

The last windows I will probably use

[echo herald]

Yep he chills at ||his show stage||

[digital helm]

only minor updates. so one for 42.0 then 42.1, etc.

At least that's how I think it should be

[echo herald]

Of course

[languid kayak]

inb4 requesting rename to devs 😄

[proud cobalt]

Just so we're all on the same page. Its 42.0.1

[echo herald]

One of the news hosts

There are quite a bit of characters now

[languid kayak]

are maps burnable btw? 😄

[rotund echo]

Anyone found a purpose to the "Bolt Cutter" item yet?

[lucid junco]

Have you tried unlocking doors with it

[rotund echo]

Nope

What I do know?

Shit can't cut or remove mesh fences

[digital helm]

Used to cut up tires it looks like. For making armour. Or you could just use a saw. Also to make tire sandals 😄

[languid kayak]

Looks good! I rembed about, as it's not mandatory and used mostly if there's another similtarily-titled page. Also changed headingsand did minor formatting issues to get rid of improve, then removed stub as I think there's not much to update. Also bumpbed to 42.0.0.1 as nothing changed in that matter 🙂

[rotund echo]

Should be able to cut padlocks and wire mesh too >_>

[languid kayak]

haha, that was quick 😄 But yeah, I don't think I mind (and yeah, nothing that technically prevent anyone to self-add themselves, and the spot was open 😛 We had a few people contributing and discussing, but none really went up to edit wiki. Unfortunately most of our skilled modders are either already with hands full as were hired after b41 success and worked for b42 success, or just aren't really fond of wiki editing.

And yeah, like Vail said, the modding is more lenient, most of the style guides don't really apply strictly to modding, as these are the few pages that are written as guides that we kept (the game guides, other than Survival Guide) were outdated and removed eventually, as Steam guides basically took their place).

[languid kayak]

I remember back then I had to ask about updating them too 😄

[languid kayak]

looks good enough, nice 🙂

[flint vapor]

Alright thx, I didn't bump the version up bcs at the time I tested all this it was the first version, but yeah I highly doubt it won't work new versions, especially for vineflower as it's a generic decompiling tool from what I understood of it

[languid kayak]

I can assume both the outfit and removed art were still canon. Maybe we'll see some tweaks when NPC comes, but that applies to the afekay's arts too

[flint vapor]

Alright that's good to know bcs I wasn't sure if a guide shape was fitting on the wiki before, since I barely ever used the wiki before

[languid kayak]

some are more likely dead NPCs though 😄

[languid kayak]

The event was there in build 41, but not sure it spawns?

[flint vapor]

And for the leader role, at this point no one really showed interest to do documentation for the modding community and I was basically the main person doing small guides, organizing the modding Discord pinned messages and reformating those into proper guides. However I feel limited by Discord a lot to share information, just didn't have time the past 3 months to do much on PZ

[languid kayak]

definitely. Also, all the voices are named after pictures. I forgot the name, but the only missing one would be Dr Cortman's.

[flint vapor]

The reporter ? She does spawn tho

[languid kayak]

yeah, saw that too 😄

[flint vapor]

Yea b41 but why would they remove it for b42 ?

[proud cobalt]

It didnt work in 41

[flint vapor]

Really ?

Bruh

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

Didnt spawn her

[tulip kiln]

Probably just debug stuff

[languid kayak]

Before zomboid, I was mostly active with JA2 community 😄 There was a Polish website Liberate Arulco I was active with, but it sadly didn't survive. Admin didn't have time and I wasn't up for the task eithert, even had a wiki I was an admin of. Then I moved to Bear's Pit after a while, especially with JA2 1.13.

[cobalt mulch]

Whats with this crap? Had to risk everything to clear a safehouse with NO loot

[proud cobalt]

Wrong channel?

[languid kayak]

yeah, I think I saw that 😄

[tulip kiln]

Feels like more of a thing you say in pzchat

[languid kayak]

seems to be common with officials in the US 🙃

[languid kayak]

All this will make outfit task busy

[languid kayak]

oh right, name was there too, but removed I think the same time eyes and height were too.

The fingerpring was added becaused othe EU laws. Not sure if it's 100% stored in the card itself, but it's in the databases.

[languid kayak]

That was the last windows for me too 😄 (you can dig up the story if you want to as I posted in here, in case you didn't see it already :P)

Which is funny, how with Mac ditching OpenGL and Windows' support for OpenGL being in bad shape (is it better now?) especially in AMD side, might make Linux the best in theory. Though OpenGL is getting phased out eventually with Vulkan and zink I guess, though it will take a while.

[languid kayak]

no ID?

[echo herald]

Nay

[digital helm]

You don't have your name on your ID? what? Is this normal?

[languid kayak]

yeah, it does 😄 Seems like burger followed the discussion afterwards

[proud cobalt]

I never carry my ID anymore. Only use digital id

[languid kayak]

rofl, I meant the address 😄

The name's there, as well as gender.

[proud cobalt]

Mine doesn't have gender actually

[digital helm]

I still have a physical ID. Call me grandpa

[digital helm]

Makes more sense 😄

[languid kayak]

I do carry my own, but the digital is nowadays accepted everywhere. I did cast voting with mine as I misplaced the original one.

The digital can be used as an authenticator, as it has an NFC chip, but I never tried that, as I have an online account with SMS verification (SMS aren't ideal either, but I don't think you can authenticator or token for logging in for example, at least yet).

The only places where online won't work is the outside the country, on the european union and I think some other aspect they didn't adjust yet.

EDIT: It seems that banks may still require a physical one to confirm th anti-money laundering verifications and it will change starting with the 1st September, and when requesting a new (physical) ID, the rest works with the ID on a phone. I think the EU will adjust eventually too, but it's hard to have a common base accross all the countries.

[flint vapor]

I don't even have a digital one I think

[digital helm]

We only just got digital ones a few months ago

[echo herald]

||I couldn't figure out where Duke spawns but here's how he looks||

[proud cobalt]

Victoria sleeping 💤

[digital helm]

Adverts updated to b42 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Adverts&type=revision&diff=727939&oldid=648155 we may want to reorganise the companies. Maybe by "location" and "product", instead of "companies"? @serene sage

[somber yoke]

done with b42 page french translaton

[digital helm]

cough_chance and cough_chance_smoker added to item infobox https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item
I may need to also add a smoker parameter for sick, unhappiness and stress. Sick is 0 for smoker for smoked items.
Unhappiness and stress is reduced by the item's value, but then also reduced further only for unhappiness and stress caused by not smoking 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Im trying to rewrite the room define to wiki script into the parser, but the output is literally so big i cant preview or even save the page

[proud cobalt]

Ok we have a problem. the finished output is 2.2mb large with all the new items and room definitions. This is larger than the allowed 2mb. This is for the page:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Room_definitions_and_item_spawns

Not sure what to do about this.

@languid kayak @digital helm

I have the script working in wiki parser now. So i can reformat it pretty much any way we want. though still painful. Splitting these to different pages is a terrible experience

[languid kayak]

tho eiither we need to do that or push lirrus for lua,would it help?

[proud cobalt]

I dont even know if lua would help in this case. Not sure tbh

[digital helm]

I vaguely recall suggesting splitting this in the past because it was huge even before b42. I think that might be the best here... We can keep that page listing the room defs and even the containers. But then split it off by room def with their containers and items

[proud cobalt]

yeah i think it may be the only option. Was 400kb before now over 2mb. Something for tomorrow i suppose. Was much easier to make from scratch than try to fix the old one again tbf.

[digital helm]

It's one of the longest pages

[digital helm]

I'd keep the format of the table, just remove the container column and have the containers like the items are now, listed horizontally in a cell. Or even forgo the table and just have sections with containers as dot points. Since tables are expensive on citizen

[proud cobalt]

@rotund echo Heads up when updating page version, the 2=XXXXXX parameter is the link to the b41 version of the page, try not to edit it
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Blacksmith_(occupation)&diff=728479&oldid=648965

[rotund echo]

So... just leave it out?

[proud cobalt]

Just dont edit that parameter. You can update the actual version. That parameter is set by the bot so people can go back to the B41 version of the page

[rotund echo]

I don't know that kind of wiki editing ok

[languid kayak]

yea, till b42 goes stable

[rotund echo]

So I just copy and paste from other page, I don't know what it means

[proud cobalt]

Thats fine, thanks for updating the page. Just letting you know

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the weapons page, i can tell because it linked to weapons lol. All you have to do is change the highlighted part to the current version

[rotund echo]

Just felt weird Blacksmith page don't get updated even though it became a real occupation

[proud cobalt]

Its been 2 days lol. There's 7,500 (english) pages for us to update

[rotund echo]

Wonder how you grind Tailoring in the new update

[tulip kiln]

How? We've got so much to update, only just came out

We'll be behind on it for a long time, so much new pages to make, old ones to overhaul, plus more patches creating even more work

[serene sage]

yeah, we've basically decided on splitting them up (haven't decided how yet)

[serene sage]

if I win the lottery I'll give half the money to TIS

[serene sage]

I would assume so, they're just maps after all

[serene sage]

maybe put the companies under a larger heading that describes the product they're advertising, afaik not all of them have any location associated with them

[rotund echo]

So... Picking Hunter trait means you also unlock military green camo clothes and hunting vests in character creation

[serene sage]

geez that was a lot of messages to read through

[rotund echo]

I just realized your pfp is a Zomboid woman, that is crouching(?)

[digital helm]

Yeah, that's why I was suggesting to have a location and product section. E.g. pop isn't a location so would go in product, but Scarlet Oak distillery is, so it'd go in the location section

[rotund echo]

Man, Scarlet Oak Distillery

[serene sage]

oh that's what you meant, then sure I think that works

[rotund echo]

Why can't I get the goodies inside the kegs bro

WHY

[serene sage]

it'd be too broken

near infinite booze

[rotund echo]

It felt underwhelming for THE bourbon distillery

[serene sage]

yes, every time I start a run with this character I have crazy luck in some way

day one generator magazine

two katanas on day three

axes in March Ridge

[rotund echo]

NOOO I need a generator manual 😢

[digital helm]

With the new fluid system it's possible we could still see the kegs filled eventually

[rotund echo]

Or Electrical Vol. 1

[digital helm]

Or empty. Since that'd be looted first 😏

[serene sage]

turns out M16s weren't the only thing chucked into the Ohio River on July 8th

[rotund echo]

Not exactly sure on Louisville + muscle strain though

[rotund echo]

T-t-they threw ALL guns

Did you realize just how hard it is to find guns now??

[serene sage]

I want to play a Louisville spawn again just like my last b41 run but I'm not sure if it's possible anymore

[rotund echo]

House guns? Gone

[serene sage]

bro I'm trying to find a single dang crowbar for my long blunt character

I'm currently using wooden handles like a caveman

[rotund echo]

I went into the Riverside PD, usually there was 1-3 guns or so, but today I checked

ZERO GUNS

I also saw this basement full of ammo, NO GUNS

Where'd all the guns go?

[serene sage]

certain loot is now tied to zombie density, if there's too few zombies in the area then you will have terrible luck finding any cool weapons

it's a sandbox option (thankfully)

[rotund echo]

Back in our day we used to find guns in houses

Even in Riverside

[rotund echo]

Someone visited Build 42 Jamieton, default loot rarity

I cannot believe it, ZERO GUNS INSIDE

17 boxes of 5.56, for guns that are already long since at the bottom of the Ohio River...

[serene sage]

I was thinking of heading there from Rosewood like how I used to do before I had 100 hours in the game, guess not anymore

the silly day three rush to Jamieton is dead

[rotund echo]

I think I also hear horror stories of Rosewood P.D.

No guns too

Used to be able to find at least one, two, or three guns there

House guns have also just vanished

[serene sage]

didn't they nerf the Riverside PD by making the two shelves that used to spawn ammo spawn junk now?

[rotund echo]

Bro I swear to God, how were these stupid liberal gun grabbers successful in taking people's guns away?

[serene sage]

damn liberals took our guns away, now they want to eat us!

[rotund echo]

The defunded the police, they de-armed all of us

How were we so stupid to fall for them

It was all a trick so they can eat us alive with little resistance

[rotund echo]

Yes

I had to painstakingly beat that door down with a crowbar

Obviously I was pissed to not find even a single firearm in that "armory"

[serene sage]

what's next, the military is now using bow and arrows?

[rotund echo]

Now they just be pussy and live out in the woods

What else are they gonna do after they threw all their M16s (and probably all other guns as well) into the river?

[serene sage]

dang, once again we've taken over the wiki editing channel

[lucid junco]

Hey, had anyone tried to run Tilezed?

For some reason I cant run it

[rustic ginkgo]

guys Did anyone know the new muscle strain mechanism of B42?How it works and can we do something like exercise to reduce or eliminate the effects of muscle strain

[serene sage]

might be wrong channel to ask, but muscle strain basically occurs when you use a melee weapon for too long, and it'll affect how much damage you deal and how fast you can swing the weapon

to reduce it you need to level up in a certain weapon skill

using the weapons belonging to that skill will make muscle strain way less severe

if you do get muscle strain currently you will just have to wait it out

[serene sage]

I'll try running it now

[lucid junco]

Nvm

Its probably something on my end

Pz also refuses to run

[serene sage]

it works for me, loaded up my one and only map just fine

so definitely a sharpgolden only issue

[rustic ginkgo]

I didn't mean to send the wrong section. Thank you for your patient answer😂

[serene sage]

no problems, #pz_b42_chat is pretty crazy these days

[lucid junco]

I have a dreaded not launching issue

[languid kayak]

unironically, especially as you wiped windows before maube try kubuntu oraome other distro?

[lucid junco]

Every other app/game runs just fine

Ahh, ofc

I needed to turn it off and on

I can finally access those new signs

... I forgot to reinstall gimp

[flint vapor]

Why is the About section not needed here ? I checked the other changes I'll try to keep those into account in my future writing

[lucid junco]

Who is mad Den

[serene sage]

"get gud"

[lucid junco]

The only new billboard ad

New tents, sleeping bags, composters, barrels..

Furniture overall.. many new workbenches..

[flint vapor]

Is it possible to save a draft of a page edit ?

[lucid junco]

Plants, now they can be covered in snow..

[lucid junco]

Nah

You either apply it and come back later

Or copy to a notepad and save it for later

[flint vapor]

So no auto save either I guess lol ?

[lucid junco]

Nope

[lucid junco]

New phones!

Changeable water tanks in coolers

[serene sage]

yet only one new billboard?

[lucid junco]

yep

Though now they have lighting

New church windows.. very fancy

[serene sage]

worst thing that B42 hasn't fixed is that there is still no car symbol for you to mark on the world map

there's a boat symbol which is pretty stupid

[serene sage]

breakable?

[lucid junco]

I dunno

Doesnt seem so

Oh, now the signs have a back lit versions

[serene sage]

pretty cool

[lucid junco]

That reminds me of a time when they had locked me in a room.. a rubber room..

Oooh!

Paws & Friends are now in schools

Somewhere

[serene sage]

what a cruel joke

[lucid junco]

And now there are blackboards with math equasions

[serene sage]

horrifying

math in PZ

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/math-gif-24723596

[languid kayak]

about is when page name is the same orsimilar as another page

[flint vapor]

I see

[lucid junco]

@naive imp @languid kayak Some businesses now have neon logos

Or logos with backlighting

Which ones should be used?

[serene sage]

PAWS roaster

[lucid junco]

Its nearly 12 am ok

[serene sage]

ok, just saying that I would like a PAWS roaster

[lucid junco]

Coming in b43

[serene sage]

can't wait

[lucid junco]

Can I get uuh, a 15%off out of gas

[lucid junco]

Oh wait

There is a second one

Its along other advert tiles

There are roughly 40 tile sheets full of business logos/signs

[serene sage]

sounds like a lot of fun

[lucid junco]

And some signs have neon/lighted versions

So I will have to overlay them

[flint vapor]

CodeSnip seems to have a problem with the Source thing

The first screenshot uses this code

===Examples===
Optimizing code that runs a lot, like for zombies for example, matters especially a lot. Let's take for example a simple mod with the goal of setting every zombies as skeletons using <code>IsoZombie.setSkeleton</code>.

{{CodeSnip
| lang = java
| line = true
| start = 4789
| source = IsoZombie.class
| path = ProjectZomboid\zombie\characters
| retrieved = true
| version = 42.0.1
| code =
public void setSkeleton(boolean var1) {
   this.isSkeleton = var1;
   if (var1) {
      this.getHumanVisual().setHairModel("");
      this.getHumanVisual().setBeardModel("");
      ModelManager.instance.Reset(this);
   }
}
}}

Notice the line in between which I have to leave before CodeSnip, if I don't I end up the second screenshot for this typing

===Examples===
Optimizing code that runs a lot, like for zombies for example, matters especially a lot. Let's take for example a simple mod with the goal of setting every zombies as skeletons using <code>IsoZombie.setSkeleton</code>.
{{CodeSnip
| lang = java
| line = true
| start = 4789
| source = IsoZombie.class
| path = ProjectZomboid\zombie\characters
| retrieved = true
| version = 42.0.1
| code =
public void setSkeleton(boolean var1) {
   this.isSkeleton = var1;
   if (var1) {
      this.getHumanVisual().setHairModel("");
      this.getHumanVisual().setBeardModel("");
      ModelManager.instance.Reset(this);
   }
}
}}

This is inconsistent with CodeSnip without a Source field where I don't need this extra empty line (first screenshot)

==Local, not global==
Accessing a global is more costly than having a variable be local. This can simply be achieved by never using global variables. This principle is the direct reason why caching should be used, as described in a later part.
{{CodeSnip
| lang = lua
| code =
-- bad
myVariable = "Hello World!"

-- better
local myVariable = "Hello World!"
}}

While if I have the line, in the second screenshot

==Local, not global==
Accessing a global is more costly than having a variable be local. This can simply be achieved by never using global variables. This principle is the direct reason why caching should be used, as described in a later part.

{{CodeSnip
| lang = lua
| code =
-- bad
myVariable = "Hello World!"

-- better
local myVariable = "Hello World!"
}}

I'm not familiar with how all these automatically happen, but leaving this here if that's not supposed to be a problem

It's not a huge problem, but I was confused why that was happening, so felt like reporting it

[naive imp]

Whichever one is more prominent on the building imo

I'm trying to catalog everything so I can get the tables of locations finished

[lucid junco]

Wait

there are 184 logos in it

Had anyone uploaded them yet?

@naive imp

[naive imp]

Check the upload log, they'll be in there I'd they were uploaded recently

I would myself but im at work rn

[lucid junco]

I will update them

They look much better than in game ones

[naive imp]

Go ahead

[flint vapor]

New modding page
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_optimization

Names for sections probably require some rework, and I got a bunch of stuff I want to add later down the line

[languid kayak]

I guess the regular ones, unless the neon ones look nicer

[lucid junco]

[flint vapor]

These categories are not actually being kept on the wiki are they ?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Mods

[lucid junco]

Even these logos got a rework

[languid kayak]

seems minor indeer, weird it happens inconsistently, maybe @digital helm will figure it out eventually though?

[lucid junco]

Is it Milk N' More now or Milk 'n' More

[languid kayak]

no, I think Vail mentioned them being there?

[languid kayak]

huh, so is it

Milk N' More
or Milk 'n' More?
then?

yeah 😄

[flint vapor]

Could be a forgotten new line or something like that idk