pzwiki_editing

[serene sage]

I’ll look into it more tomorrow when I’m actually on my PC

[proud cobalt]

All good I've found them. It's a bunch of java files

[languid kayak]

@.shizuku.kuroe. soon, with b42 new liquid system 👀

Ksilems's from Turkey, but even where Discord's banned, people find the way to circumvent it usually 🙂

minor nit for plural is CDs (no apostrophe), otherwise looks fine at a glance (I'm on mobile so didn't chexk the code. Pinging @robust latch too

I patrol eaxh change and fix/revert as needed, so unless you edit thousand of pages it's easy 😄

[round flume]

I did a small change on the electrician

Engineer I mean

[languid kayak]

I'll goover it later, have busy weekend so either during week or next weekend but we also have other editors chexking it so if you screw something up, good xhsnce someone will fix it before me:D

[proud cobalt]

Discord is banned in Turkey

It's a complicated situation but basically been blocked for 'child safety'

[serene sage]

darn government policies interfering with the wiki

[serene sage]

alright, going to move forward with the work

[serene sage]

how should references to external sites be formatted? I need to link to a wikipedia article for one of the CDs which happens to be an actual book

[proud cobalt]

Alright 12 hours later and i now have a 325k line JSON file with every item that can spawn from distribution, foraging, vehicles, outfits, and random stories. At least i think it works, apart from a few bugs i already know about.

[serene sage]

crazy how much stuff is actually in the game

[proud cobalt]

Try this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners

[proud cobalt]

My script finds 1795 unique items that can spawn naturally

[serene sage]

to think of how much more will be added in B42

all the weapons

tools

books and media

keyrings

[proud cobalt]

My estimates are going from 2000ish items to just under 5000

[serene sage]

does the ~1700 items include stuff like tiles?

[proud cobalt]

No just actual items

[serene sage]

I've played for 800 hours and I swear I've only seen like 500 unique items

[proud cobalt]

theres like 12 variants of the same baseball cap

[serene sage]

oh

so color variations are counted, eh?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah everything is a seperate item in pz

[proud cobalt]

ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapArmy = "Army Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapArmy_Reverse = "Army Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapBlue = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapBlue_Reverse = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapGreen = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapGreen_Reverse = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapKY = "Kentucky Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapKY_Red = "Kentucky Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapKY_Reverse = "Kentucky Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapRed = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCapRed_Reverse = "Baseball Cap",
ItemName_Base.Hat_BaseballCap_Reverse = "Baseball Cap",```

13 lmao

[serene sage]

rip default baseball cap that can’t be reversed

wait what about the clothing items that can be tinted

I think those are just a single item

[languid kayak]

wikipedia often cites its soirces, else it's [[Wikipedia:Page name]] interlink

[languid kayak]

can you compare to all items list so we can know what items do not spawn anywhere so we csn cross check it with the wiki? Previously doodle was marked obsolete but it does spawn in survivovr stories, also things like picture of kate or boopers were marked as futiue before but they do spawn.

[languid kayak]

yup, somw are hue some srw tine, but some ezist in variants. Some have recolored icons, too. Basicslly unique item = an item that can be spawned on debug

but vhs - home, vhs - retai and cd are single item otoh

It seems to be planned to be more unified in b42

[serene sage]

maybe it’s time for a new keyboard Faal

[languid kayak]

Nah, It's me writing from a phone 😄

on a train

[serene sage]

maybe it's time for a bigger phone then

[languid kayak]

or smaller hands 😄

[proud cobalt]

I'll look into this

[proud cobalt]

Enjoy the show!

[proud cobalt]

Heres every ID that is in ItemName_EN but not found in any of my resources. @digital helm might want this too

[proud cobalt]

Distribution table V4

[lucid junco]

Looks good

[lucid junco]

Ive read about it and its crazy

Unless you look at how the same situation would be treated in other Asian countries

Then its ordinary

[serene sage]

fancy

[proud cobalt]

I've adjusted the effective chance calculation, making things a little more accurate for the average player. Chance and rolls are set per item. Loot rarity and luck multiplier are at defaults, with loot rarity at 'rare' (60%) and luck being no luck changing perks. I'm using a set density of 5.2, this is about average between city vs town vs middle of nowhere. Here's the new equation. the result is rounded to 2 decimal places.

effective_chance = round((1 - (1 - (math.floor((1 + (100 * chance * loot_rarity * luck_multiplier) + (10 * density))) / 10000)) ** rolls) * 100, 2)

[proud cobalt]

Ok after lots of testing i'm pretty confident in the output, so updates going up now

[languid kayak]

I juse wonder whether Embedded shold be renamed to Embedded on zombie? Could be clearer. Also for outdits, the GUID won't tell much, maybe we could pull a name for it? We also have some pages for NPC outfits and are mentioning other outfists elsewhere; maybe a page for each outfit wouldn't be a terrible idea? @digital helm what do you think? We have each page for a story noawadays too I believe?

Also, with the distribution table being complete, I think the next step would be tackling crafting, as that's what's missing from here (some items can only be crafted)

[serene sage]

that would be a nice idea, I remember a lot of the randomized stories mentioning tons of different outfits

I literally have a folder full of screenshots of these outfits

[proud cobalt]

Funny you mention this i had already changed it to Embedded in zombie. Outfit names are included in the outfit table, i would like to parse them into articles, might be the next thing i do. @digital helm wanted to do more clothing parsing though so might wait for that.

Crafting is a nightmare

[proud cobalt]

Another 100+ items now have location tables

And all the English ones should now be updated to V4

[serene sage]

@proud cobalt looks like if the infobox is in the way of the dist table the foraging table goes out of bounds, see the article for Rosemary for example

nevermind seems like its only for the old Vector skin

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i've seen this too, afaik the togglebox was meant to clear the rest by default. @digital helm might know what happened with that.

It definitely is happening on citizen too

[serene sage]

the Rosemary article seems to be fixed on Citizen for me though

probably a width issue

[proud cobalt]

When citizen is in its skinny mode it does it

The toggle box css element was supposed to clear though, im sure it used to do that

[drifting seal]

Hey @proud cobalt. How's it going?

[proud cobalt]

Maybe we just did it in the template, I could add {{Clear}} to the location table template

[proud cobalt]

Going very well, particularly in reference to tile pages

[drifting seal]

Good. Glad to hear. Yeah so the internal changes to the properties of tile definitions might confuse you since they'll be technical in their application / usage.

Something to definitely keep in mind.

[proud cobalt]

Oh did you get some info for B42?

[drifting seal]

No. I'm speaking about the code I translated that modifies the properties from the game's engine.

[proud cobalt]

Everything seems to be working quite well, i've gotten all the information i need for tiles atm

[proud cobalt]

Thanks once again for your help with this, it has been immensly helpful to have tiles parsed like this

[drifting seal]

Glad to help.

This is what I'm here for.

I'm considering modeling out a UI / UX design for creating and rendering out ZedScript.

I have a parser and rendering library I wrote in early 2023 that'll be very useful for this sort of web solution.

Might work on this project next.

[safe warren]

Hey, just saw you were confused about my pfp, is there anything I can do to help?

[languid kayak]

nah, we settled this just calling the category https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Developer_images (though the name is still confusing, at least all the dev pictures are in one place :P)

though the developer pages' are lackluster, I want to update them once I find some time (currently I'm having backlog, so no ETA, as always, unless someone does it first)

[safe warren]

Fair enough

If you need anything from me, feel free to give me a heckle and I'll provide what I can

[except for a human face photo]

[serene sage]

found this on the Hard Hat article, is this really a con? sounds pretty good if it almost always stays on

[rotund echo]

Well, what do you think? Do you want your hats or facial accessories to fall off? 😂

[proud cobalt]

Hey @serene sage i just noticed Rename all item icon names to a more sensible naming scheme; names are all over the place and wanted to let you know we use 1:1 icon names with the game itself. So while yes it is stupid, at least theres a reason for it

[serene sage]

wahhh you looked

anyways alright then

guess it’s not needed anymore

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Minecraft wiki promoting Indie Wiki Buddy
https://puu.sh/KhArl.png

[languid kayak]

Yeah, luckily we don't have that problem, but they do have people redirected to fandom a lot I believe lol

[languid kayak]

maybe could be reworded to "has a chance"? There are bunch of hats with equal protection that have 0% chance to fall

[languid kayak]

btw, out of curiosity, what do you use to export outfits @proud cobalt?

btw, the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance skyrocketed to 371, probably require to taking a look at 😛

Warning: This page calls Template:Template translation which causes a template loop (an infinite recursive call).

Also seems that:

• links for the see also clothes don't have the (female outfit) or (male outfit) in them, so they link to either red pages or pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hunter

• some links to items are red too, we could make the redirects anyway, but ideally they could be resolved (I guess some pages still need splitting though?)

[proud cobalt]

Mode for larger viewing window, screenshot, python script to crop it out, then photoshop batch tool to remove the background

[proud cobalt]

Will look into this

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I'm still working my way through them all

[languid kayak]

so they are still from a character creator?

btw, technically shouldn't it be Autogenerated articles (outfits) instead of Autogenerated articles (Outfits)? Vide https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(media) or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(tags)

and see also is sometimes above code?

The

Source: [[1]]\outfit_parser
is a placeholder too?

In the code section

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[proud cobalt]

Should only be around until I get them done anyway

[proud cobalt]

Still going through them all

[languid kayak]

I noticed the animation frames are different, so it makes sense 🙂

Also, realized the hairs are all the same, which is probably sane since they are totally randomized 😛

[proud cobalt]

Not Placeholder

[languid kayak]

not readable without parsing then, right?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah they are actually defined sometimes in zombie zone definitions. But I'm not interested in figuring that out 😂

[languid kayak]

Maybe a side job for Jab lol

[proud cobalt]

Yep that's the parsed output

[languid kayak]

You're using Vail's script or something entirely else? I still have it pinned to this chat: #pzwiki_editing message

[proud cobalt]

Nah it's readable, someone just has to go in game and make each character

[proud cobalt]

I adapted @digital helm script into the wiki parser but it outputs a json instead of a txt file

[languid kayak]

is the repo's public to add to the https://github.com/stars/Faalagorn/lists/pzwiki-scripts or not?

[languid kayak]

as in choose them manually? That might be doable, I like mundane works often as a "refreshment" 😄

[languid kayak]

btw, addressed some of the issues in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/1_RJ_Test_(female_outfit) manually btw if you want to take a look

[lucid junco]

There is a thing called speedy deletion?

[serene sage]

yes it is deletion but f a s t

[serene sage]

on a more serious note, a speedy deletion is basically a deletion that requires no discussion and will automatically be done in a few (three?) days

it's used for stuff like spam/stupid pages and other stuff like that

found on the survival guide, I wonder where I can find these "regular" traits

[languid kayak]

kinda reserved for spam, but we really sparsely use it

and yeah, I removed the days indication, as it's all depending whether me and Vail have a look at, they are very vague, but basically something that's unarguably easy to delete can use speedy (personal tests, mistakes, spams etc.)

[languid kayak]

Aren't profession traits white? If not anymore, they were https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:3cPMleH.png (these images needs updates anyway)

[rotund echo]

Yes profession traits are white

Ngl I wish more professions had their own unique trait

Though for Security Guard Night Owl, I wish it was a choosable one

[lucid junco]

And not useless or ridiculously overcomplicated one like dietologist(or what's called) or axeman

[languid kayak]

yeah, same

[languid kayak]

I guess axeman is the complicated one :P?

but yeah, nutritionist as a job perk is uesless. I sometimes take it as I like to know nutrition values, but it's not worth 4 perks. I suggested back then it would be cool if it could approximate how far toward the next spoiling stage food is.

btw @proud cobalt will you be bothering changing the {{Autogenerated|Outfit}} to {{Autogenerated|outfit}} to make pages going from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(Outfits) to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(outfits) or don't bother? Asking, as I want to add it to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance

240 pages, so not that much I guess?

[proud cobalt]

Not bothering, i only expect it to exist for a week or two

[languid kayak]

won't you leave it for the future for editors to fix? as it is with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(media) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(tags) ?

[proud cobalt]

Nah im gonna do them all they wont stay autogenerated

[languid kayak]

and fix = add some flavour and fix errors if any and remove the tag 😛

[languid kayak]

ah, as in checking the 240 pages yourself?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[proud cobalt]

I just need a few days break i did like 1200 edits in one day

[lucid junco]

Being first broken literally then consumed by players not getting if its upsides apply to both zeds and trees the same way, yeah, Id say its complicated

[languid kayak]

haha, expected

will give me time to catch up 😄

[languid kayak]

Seems the other perks are broken too, as they are expected to give recipes they don't, so they are inferior to the chosen ones (cook or mechanic)

[lucid junco]

Mechanic is inferior to the pickable mechanic?

Looks superior to me

[serene sage]

about halfway into the CDs now

got most of the annoying CDs out of the way now (audiobooks, documentaries)

kinda scared about b42 now

what if it changes all of the CDs and I have to redo them all

[rotund echo]

Well since Zomboid wiki editors are volunteers and are technically not obligated to edit it...

[serene sage]

you mean I should follow in the footsteps of my father?

[rotund echo]

I mean, if you can't be fucked to edit all CD pages, then you don't have to do it lol (wait for someone else do notice it and do it for you, EZ)

[lucid junco]

Well there was a person that had abandoned improving upon what they had done badly, leaving it in as a chore for the entire wiki community to fix and improve... But if the page does not hurt you physically when you look at it, then its fine to leave it as is for now

[rotund echo]

True...

[lucid junco]

https://www.ign.com/wikis/project-zomboid/Radio_Frequencies

Huh

[languid kayak]

ah, true, I xonfused them :). Still different thiugh so kinda odd as the perka are named the samw

I think there was an issue with Cook

[lucid junco]

This looks oddly familiar

Like they've just copy pasted the wiki's wrong data that Ive updated on may 30th

Or even april 8th

God was it that long ago?

[languid kayak]

we forgot to replace them or did someone replace it back?

[lucid junco]

Nah, I was just reenacting how it was before we've changed them to straightened w/o bg with html editing

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Enigma_Books
Also, isnt it "EnigmaBooks" and not "Enigma Books"?

Especially since its a reference to EnigmaGrey

[languid kayak]

@thin cloud ? Is it https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Enigma_Books or EnigmaBooks?

huh, just realized by https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Outfit_boxing_blue_male.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Outfit_boxing_red_female.png that there's a reference to Pandorea most likely

[thin cloud]

Enigma Books probably

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt this is marked for deletion, but is linked in tile list: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Left_Bar_Wall_Shelves

[proud cobalt]

Tile list uses the translation file for its tiles. As far as i can tell it doesn't exist in the game and is the old/unused version of left bar wall bar. Happy to be proven wrong

[proud cobalt]

100 finished

[proud cobalt]

I think red and blue are pretty common boxing gear colours

[languid kayak]

nah, I mean the Sasha text on the clothing

[proud cobalt]

Oh right. Yeah probably is

[digital helm]

Distribution table looks sick btw.
I'll see what we can do about the foraging section and infobox overlapping. Might need to use clear to the template if we're using the foraging table 🤔 or even better would be to add a media query to the stylesheet so it only adds it for certain viewport widths

[proud cobalt]

Cheers, I don't think I can go back to CSV after using JSONs now. Doing it dynamically would be cool, also might be able to play with the Inline css in the template itself.

[digital helm]

Me too. CSV is really only good for visualising it in a table imo.
Since we have the location template now, it should be fine just doing it in there

[proud cobalt]

CSV is a great output for everyone, it's just a big excel sheet. But json now that I know what I'm looking at is so much easier to work with

It's actually so easy it makes me wonder why they use these huge conveluted lua tables and zed script

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak https://homemovies.fandom.com/wiki/Walter_and_Perry
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Walter_%26_Perry_Legal_Firm

May be an easter egg?

[languid kayak]

Maybe? I don't know this show at all tbh 😄

Must've been popular elsewhere

[proud cobalt]

Spooky spiffo today. Hopefully they scare us in the spookdoid with a release date

[lucid junco]

Happy Halloween

[torn tinsel]

I'm actually screwing I can't wait for the thuesdoid lmao

Even if they don't drop a release date (they won't, and that's ok) I just love this game so much

Thursdoid is usually the highlight of my month

[quartz bear]

Project Zombobid Halloween CTF

[serene sage]

seems familiar

[quasi thunder]

Project Zombobid, I like it😄

[naive imp]

Guess who's back?

Back again?

Shady's back

Tell a friend

Guess who's back?

Guess who's back?

Guess who's back?

Guess who's back?

Guess who's back?

Guess who's back?

(Chorus)

Lol

It seems a lot has happened in my absence

@lucid junco care to give me a lowdown on the progress of Locations and Maps? I see you were doing some work

[proud cobalt]

So the KY team is the Binkies

[tulip kiln]

Ye but Riverside Rangers are where it's at

[tulip kiln]

But that right there is another Easter egg to add to the page

[serene sage]

"east main street" implies almost every street will probably be named

[lucid junco]

Got side tracked at around the offices so halfway into checking boilerplates.
All of the businesses are likely added in including offices.
Created pages for unnamed pawnshops
Updated some loc pics

[lucid junco]

Hd fossoil logo

[lucid junco]

Fixed some facts and location info

Added in Riverside location of the Seahorse coffee to the loc table. Removed Valley station Diner location and put it into the new page

Added in gallery on a lot of pages

[lucid junco]

@naive imp I thought we were leaving safehouse potential for businesses with certain good and distinct aspects

Also, will we add streets to the infoboxes?

Flyers list addresses on them

@languid kayak How do I get higher res flyers?

Trying to download from the projectzomboid.com gives me 724 × 1,024 resolution

and you've updated it with much higher one

[languid kayak]

uou have address of the Fossoil Field too, and both the FOSSOIL FIELD and FOSSOIL logos are straigtehened

[proud cobalt]

Likely local cache in your browser. Clear cache then try again

[lucid junco]

Dont think so

[lucid junco]

All of the pics in the https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/10/hallodoid/ give 724 × 1,024 resolution when I download them

[proud cobalt]

Are you opening the picture in a new tab or just saving it?

[lucid junco]

Indifferent, both result 724x1024

[proud cobalt]

Weird

[lucid junco]

Lemme see

Interesting

There are multiple resolutions under the same upload

[proud cobalt]

Likely based on the resolution of your monitor

At a guess

[lucid junco]

Not really

Raise a hand if your resolution is 212x300

Either way, og resolution of the image is 1240x1754

So both of us had resized images

Greene's in erkon

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-green-screen-crash-gif-24396972

[rotund echo]

Man, I've actually been to the Fossoil Field before

But by the time I've gotten there uh, I think trees were already overgrowing on the field

[lucid junco]

(Should be better resolution)

[rotund echo]

Dafuq, they're trying to sell us a Tanglewood house?

[lucid junco]

Yes

[rotund echo]

Ahh, "renovation" they say

[lucid junco]

This one

20k for this, or 43535.01 nowdays

[lucid junco]

5$ per hour

Oh wait

Inflation

IDs in the game

Cant wait to use them as an Id for roblox account

[serene sage]

honestly better than the 2 million dollar storage containers here

[lucid junco]

Too sharp perhaps

[languid kayak]

just remove the 724x1024 from the URL

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2024/10/65_FossoilFieldStadium_Flyer_v1.png

[lucid junco]

I've figured it out

[languid kayak]

ID card was there before: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Preparation#Other_items

[lucid junco]

Ive already updated the fossoil logo since its good enough as is

I'll probably take another shot at fossoil field one, its surrounded by yellow border and its a bit harder to extract

Ive tried to delete all intermediate colors but it looks a bit too sharp to my liking

[languid kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGHGU1kf18 apparently a crowbar could be used now to open doors? That's neat

There seems to be a new icon for buildables?

btw, with all the street names in the flyers, it might eventually be possible to make a PZ map with street names and numbers for each house

[proud cobalt]

Finally, always used common sense mod for this

[proud cobalt]

I think they mentioned a new menu in a previous thursdoid not sure which one

[proud cobalt]

What a fantasy/nightmare

[languid kayak]

I guess the bits in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Common_Mallow#Location could mostly be removed now that we have foraging table?

Also, as far as tables goes; wouldn't it be better to input "0" for skill instead of "-"? Also for month names, I've been thinking whether the names or numbers are preferred 🤔. Especially for localization

There's also a bug in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Corpse_(male)#Location – should probably be Type: All and then Seat as Container

[digital helm]

We mentioned as a general rule previously that 0 would be used where it's defined, and - when it's absent in the source

I guess it make sense to be 0 here though?

[digital helm]

There's some stuff there that's doubled-up now. But the trait, magazine and occupation stuff could stay imo

[languid kayak]

not sure I'll update it now, I have other backlog to do, but something to keep in the back of the head I guess

or add to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks which I didn't update for a while too 😄

[lucid junco]

Dont think that would be possible unless we get a flyer for each street

Though address as Ive said would be something we could add

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i'm removing them when i see them. Lots of them just say "XYZ cannot be found and only foraged" or something along those lines. Also removing Building and NPC sections now that we support outfits

[proud cobalt]

Interesting, i wonder if its only for the corpses, they are a weird case

I'll look into that, but probably not tonight

[proud cobalt]

It doesnt require foraging 0 it has no skill definition, i think - still works best here

[languid kayak]

could add an optional field to infobox I guess?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bush 😄

[languid kayak]

That's from the game? Interesting

[proud cobalt]

Looks like someone from TIS got bored and thought nobody will see it anyway "CustomName": "bleh" 😆

[naive imp]

Only for locations with a lot of good things going for them. 95 percent of locations do not

The only thing going for the gun store in terms of sadehouse potential is the shutters

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Grape_Leaves&curid=10958&diff=597713&oldid=597711 – this is temporary or…?

[proud cobalt]

Do we need them if we have location table?

[naive imp]

If they're confirmed on the flyer I don't see why not.

[languid kayak]

oh right, I didn't realize 😄

[naive imp]

Though we may want to put the address instead of just the street, I think that makes more sense

[languid kayak]

then yeah, should be fine

[languid kayak]

Going further though, is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Distribution_foraging still needed? It seems to be yours @digital helm ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Distribution_templates

[lucid junco]

Agreed

[proud cobalt]

I've added the parameter to infobox location, use it with |address=
@lucid junco too

[serene sage]

finished all the CD articles, now I can hopefully move on to more useful stuff

skimped a bit on the last few songs descriptions because I didn't really know how to describe them but other than that they're pretty good

[languid kayak]

browsing reddit, I realized someone did a proper guide on highest protection in vanilla: https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1gh7nu3/best_clothing_protection_setup_a_cheat_sheet/ 🙂

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt you think moving see also could be botted? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fireman_Stripper_(male_outfit)&type=revision&diff=599889&oldid=598309

[proud cobalt]

I've been experimenting with it, but also i will move them all as i work on them. I realised i forgot to on the ones ive done already

[languid kayak]

There's not that many outfits luckily.

I've been also wondering how we could sort the outfits in the outfit navbox…

We have few types of outfits:

• Lore ones (named)
• Regular ones
• Testing ones

The lore are one gender only and the testing are all female, but the regular ones sometimes also have only one gender variant

oh and tutorial outfits

These will need some love down the line along with the Jane Doe:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jane_Doe
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tutorial_Mom_(female_outfit)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tutorial_Dad_(male_outfit)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tutorial_Brother1_(male_outfit)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tutorial_Brother2_(male_outfit)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i agree it needs to be split. Havn't put much thought into hows yet. THis seems fine

[languid kayak]

It would be nice if the male and female could be switched to easily; maybe ==Variants== would help?

[proud cobalt]

These are only really for the outfits, its seperate to NPCs like Woodcut vs Woodcut (male outfit) but yeah they will get love as i work my way down the list

[languid kayak]

Yeah, though Woodcut and its outfit are really closlely related 😄

I also noted there's no outfit for Jane Doe, I guess it's not an outfit but a player preset I guess, the image was uploaded by Roudrick https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Jane_doe_tutorial.png

from the character screen I guess

[flat sun]

actually it's just being used to remove a board that's mostly obscured by the roofing

[languid kayak]

true 😩 There's the hope going

[languid kayak]

I doubt these could be automated, but maybe at least we could find the old history entries for list and fix manually? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Battery&type=revision&diff=601191&oldid=599265

[lucid junco]

I wish we had an ability to look at each version of the game for that like we have with minecraft..

[languid kayak]

as in Minecraft wiki? Though going to ancient versions could be kinda excessive

[lucid junco]

As a minecraft overall, since it has almost every snapshot accessible and testable at the click of a few buttons

If I need to test whether or not something was implemented before version 1.10 or after, I can just download these ancient versions and verify it myself

[flat sun]

you can download any version of the game that's been on steam with steamcmd

[lucid junco]

wait really

I thought its only for open betas

[languid kayak]

you can, doesn't even require steamcmd, you can do that with Steam's debug console, but they aren't launchable through Steam

The officially available versions are only b38, b39, b40 and few older b41 builds: https://steamdb.info/app/108600/depots/

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak
Which one is better in ur opinion?

[languid kayak]

the latter

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Should we get rid of this half used thing in the navbox?

Only old pages have it

And some have only stairway or floor count

And this

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/The_Rusty_Rifle

[lucid junco]

Updated the logo

(Overall flyers teased)

[languid kayak]

The Ekron and Brandenburg names are 100% confirmed with these btw

[lucid junco]

And fallas lake

Since Ive found that some still have doubts that is called fallas lake

[languid kayak]

yup

[lucid junco]

And possible homeward expansion in the riverside

[languid kayak]

IIRC the Irvington was in the flyers too

yup https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Wip_Farming_%26_Rural_Supply_flyer.jpg

[lucid junco]

since the address is wilson riverside

[languid kayak]

Which is apparently https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_town, nicknamed Tanglewood

[lucid junco]

Is it though?

It looks like Call Us we are in wilson riverside

Not Call Us, house address is wilson riverside

[languid kayak]

ah, so the actual company is Riverside, but the house not?

Also, would be nice if the PZ map could also switch to the non-isometric map view

"located in a historic area" btw

[lucid junco]

The house is Riverside/Bradenburg

I guess.. we will have to see untill the b42 drops

Or another homeward flyer

[languid kayak]

yeah, equi-distant… but it's way closer to Riverside than Brandenburg 😄

[lucid junco]

Is it though

[languid kayak]

well, maybe you're right, those are farms indeed

[lucid junco]

Its closer to the Scenic groove, but not riverside

And I guess that we will have to write riverside/bradenburg outskirts for locations in between

[languid kayak]

the farms?

[lucid junco]

The Gas, General Store, Beef Roundup and Bait & Tackle.

They are all in between both towns

[languid kayak]

Is it true? I think it's 0? [[Category:Annotated maps images]]

oops

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Server_settings&curid=9694&diff=591855&oldid=547863

[naive imp]

I was gonna put it into the newer ones I've just been forgetting tbh

I do think it's useful info

Also yes I realize I accidentally duplicated gun store image

[languid kayak]

Though yeah, they're not filled, but arguably useful, especially parking

[naive imp]

I'll take care of it later

[languid kayak]

pff, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Incorrect_template_usage skyrocketed to almost 1000 pages now

I think it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_with_template_loops to blame?

Also there's 4 of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_using_duplicate_arguments_in_template_calls

[naive imp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/s/Pc82VeChUD

!!

Nasko says b42 is next few months

Holy FUCK I have to hustle

[digital helm]

Oh no it'd be a translation that's missing. The template loop is just caused by the error template.
I'll see if I can figure out what's causing it

[digital helm]

This can probably go now. It was only used on a couple of pages.
It's essentially the same as Calvy's foraging table

[proud cobalt]

Cant be automated IMO, if there's a common string between them all i can find them though. Bot is updating language pages atm though its gonna take 27 hours

[proud cobalt]

Oh @digital helm made a script to compare the version files, i wonder if thats worth persuing downloading each version

[proud cobalt]

Oh it is likely something i did with TT template, and new ones will be because the translation parameters arent added yet. Should be able to fix in the next few hours

[proud cobalt]

This one is empty now

[proud cobalt]

I think its just some parameters missing from translations for the new location table, i should get to it this afternoon if you dont

[proud cobalt]

This should be fixed, its a matter of waiting for cache now

[digital helm]

I just sat down looking for it and was scratching my head wondering why I couldn't find it 😄

[digital helm]

Sorry for the delay with this. The headings for the crafting table are now translatable https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Crafting#How_to_translate. Everything else (One of, units, and, none) will have to wait as it'll make the template even more cumbersome than it already is.

[digital helm]

Much better https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[languid kayak]

yup, the errors are now gone, thank you guys!

[lucid junco]

Template cascade to blame

https://tenor.com/view/physics-class-a-level-school-half-life-gif-23090258

[lucid junco]

Looks way better to me

[languid kayak]

@naive imp kinda question to you I guess? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Pastor_Samuels (Ksilem has Discord blocked, so best to respond on the talk page I guess)

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I noticed you replaced this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fire_01_1.png – it's used in infoboxes though, not sure which one was better? Pinging @digital helm for that too

(the old one was cropped and pixelartsy)

[proud cobalt]

Would have been included in the overwrite, happy for you to revert. I havnt gone through all the new tile images yet only a few hundred

[languid kayak]

Yeah, we probably have a lot of duplicates too 😄

The fire will have more sprites, not sure we'll cover it though? Especially as fire will be revamped eventually (though no ETA, not making to at least early b42 version pretty much for sure at this point)

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bird_Bath would have to check in-game, but I guess it's correct? When rotated it changes its look 😄

if so, definitely worth adding to trivia

[proud cobalt]

Yep, once the furniture page is redone then It will be easy as I can use Unused images category for the majority. I want all tile images to use their sprite ID instead of "stove.png" etc.

[proud cobalt]

I'd also have to check in game, but I believe it does in the very back of my head Im sure I remember it

[digital helm]

I'll revert it. I'll assume cropped is preferred

[languid kayak]

btw, to have outfits linked in the new location table, a script has to be updated, right?

Also, I guess we'll keep the naming as-is? With the (male outfit) and (female outfit) always added, even if there's only one variation?

The names in the table are currently different, though

[languid kayak]

GOG's kinda neglected but I think that https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Startup_parameters could mention steps for non-Steam users I guess; kinda low priority though 🙂

[naive imp]

Oh that's right, turkey blocked it

Lame

I'll respond today with my girl atm

[languid kayak]

The lack of comma make me read it as that 😄

[naive imp]

💀

[digital helm]

Yeah, script would need to be added. We probably could check if they're the same (sub- female and male) then only output it once? But there are technically 2 separate outfits for it @proud cobalt

[naive imp]

@languid kayak you do know what atm means? Idk if the meaning gets lost on you since you're polish lol

It's an acronym

[languid kayak]

yeah I know both meanings (at the moment and automated teller machine) 😄

[naive imp]

Ok lol just making sure

Because my generation has invented so many goddamm acronyms for texting a lot of people who aren't like 19 or 20 now can't keep up

It's exhausting even for me

[digital helm]

That'd be the steps before "Steam application", right? It's just that steam has a simplified way of doing it

[languid kayak]

I slowly got used to "fr", my mind's always thinking of "French" 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah. I'm not sure if GOG has a similar way?

[proud cobalt]

Girl atm is crazy 😄

[digital helm]

fr confuses me too! Anything post-millennial goes straight past me 😄

[naive imp]

Yeah when you're used to international contexts it's more difficult. Americans in my experience lack that international context

[naive imp]

Fr=For real? (Are you serious?)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i'll update the script... I'm not 21 hours into updating the language pages or anything

[languid kayak]

yup, I once actually read all the terms on wikipedia to catch up, some I never saw being used though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Generation_Z_slang

[digital helm]

"asl" will forever be a question to me!

[naive imp]

We try not to use a lot of them in public situations

It's mostly between us

[naive imp]

Asl= As hell (expresses emphasis)

It comes from AS helL

Hence ASL

[digital helm]

asl = "Age/Sex/Location?"

it'd be the opener on chat rooms

[naive imp]

Never heard it used in that context

That must've been after me

I guess there's multiple meanings

[proud cobalt]

Thats insane

ASL will always be age/sex/location to me

I'm only 23

[digital helm]

phew... I'm not alone

[naive imp]

Well I'm not on chat rooms a lot so maybe that's it

Idk I've always seen it as as hell maybe I'm wrong idk

[proud cobalt]

The outfits for male/female are actually quite different. As i go through them the females always have huge amounts more jewelry 😆

[proud cobalt]

Me either these days lmao

This and my personal discord is about it

[languid kayak]

it was mostly time or IRC and chat rooms; way before Discord was even concieved really

[digital helm]

Best to keep it simple then. The tin foil outfit seems to be a one off

[naive imp]

I have reddit but eh that's really all

And discord

Social media is brainrot a lot of the time

[digital helm]

I think chat rooms died with discord (or sooner?)

[languid kayak]

I never got used to ASL as by that time I mostly hanged on Polish chat rooms / communicators back in my early internet days 😄

[languid kayak]

sooner I guess;
chat rooms → forums → discord

[naive imp]

My early internet days were spent crawling flash game websites

Rip flash you are missed

Except kinda not really for security vulnerabilities

But still

[languid kayak]

my first time on the internet was an internet caffe looking for newsgrounds, as I played Pico from a CD 😄

[lucid junco]

Americans lack knowledge of British English

[naive imp]

Not as much nowadays

A lot of us moderately know

Buts it's definitely not broad knowledge

[lucid junco]

I still have to reword some British words like flat

[naive imp]

It'd actually taught in school now the difference

[digital helm]

That's a relief. Once it was like it never existed

[naive imp]

Yeah

Flat=apartment
Saloon=sedan
Tyre=tire

Etc

[lucid junco]

Queue

[serene sage]

here in Canada we simply mix n match american and british english

depends on the person

[digital helm]

Same. In Aus we say elevator instead of lift

[lucid junco]

Same

[serene sage]

sometimes arguments simply arise from whether color is spelt like that or “colour”

[lucid junco]

Ive been taught British English but movies, games and talking to people lead to me using more American words

[proud cobalt]

Aus is so weird with words. We have our own, then we also copy Brits and Americans, its more of a generational thing too

[serene sage]

hmm autocorrect thinks “color” is wrong

[proud cobalt]

My discord does too

[lucid junco]

Color is American and colour is british

[proud cobalt]

Aka the rest of the world 😆

@languid kayak You'll be happy to see

[serene sage]

I like it with no “u”

[languid kayak]

yup 🙂

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance looking better and better each day 😄

[lucid junco]

Same

[proud cobalt]

It makes sense for how NA says it, but 'ou' definitely fits better in UK

In Aus it would be 'Culla'

[digital helm]

new Aus dictionary

[naive imp]

Armor vs armour

Meter vs metre

Lol

[lucid junco]

Metre?

[serene sage]

I heard somewhere (in a book) that in australia you can call a pickup truck a “ute” or something like that

seems false but idk

[digital helm]

we use both depending on the context

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I have to be hyper aware of these when editing

[naive imp]

That's true

[serene sage]

“over here’s my ute”

[proud cobalt]

Center VS center

[lucid junco]

Whaaat

[proud cobalt]

Everyone uses both

[lucid junco]

Meter is American???

[serene sage]

impossible

[lucid junco]

They dont even use this system

[proud cobalt]

"I think I left it in my pick-up truck"

[naive imp]

Actually a lot of things we do now

Especially science stuff

[proud cobalt]

Miles are actually metric now

They don't use imperial miles

[lucid junco]

Meter sounds better tbh

Maybe because its also sounds "meter" in Russian

[serene sage]

time for some chips!
which one am I referring to?

[lucid junco]

The one with potatoes

My 8 years of English lessons tell me the one on the left

[languid kayak]

I assme this is correct? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Scripts_guide/Recipe_Script_Guide&curid=22035&diff=598699&oldid=418057 Can someone verify?

[proud cobalt]

In Australia its "Chips" and "Hot chips"

[languid kayak]

in Polish first one is "Frytki" and the other "Chipsy" 😄

so Fries/Chips

[proud cobalt]

I like Chipsy

[serene sage]

the answer is neither, it’s time for some (wood) chips

[languid kayak]

lies! In US there's only miles! /s

(though I see you discussed it below already :D)

[naive imp]

The military uses metric

Meters km

[languid kayak]

so is science

[naive imp]

They actually say clicks short for kilometers

Idk why

[proud cobalt]

Tango front 2 kliks

[naive imp]

2 clicks west

Lol

[languid kayak]

imperial units are even more confusing, as there are nautical miles and so on 😩

[proud cobalt]

5280 feet in a mile

[languid kayak]

true, I think I heard it in milsims

[proud cobalt]

I thuink

[lucid junco]

Football fields *

[digital helm]

I'd say it's safe to assume it doesn't exist. It's not used at all. I'd trust Albion's knowledge here

[naive imp]

Football fields per bald eagle

Washing machines per Browning Hi-Power

[digital helm]

you mean a footy oval?

[proud cobalt]

AFL 👎

[languid kayak]

Soccer!

But yeah, the Football confusion is confusing too 😄

In here we always say "American Football" to differentiate

[languid kayak]

(this one reminds me to move the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scripts_guide/Recipe_Script_Guide pages too 🤔 )

[naive imp]

Football is so overrated imo

Both kinds

[digital helm]

both? lol

[proud cobalt]

Theres three types of football here

[naive imp]

Ob yeah rugby

[proud cobalt]

AFL, NRL, and 'Soccer'

[digital helm]

and none are american football

no idea why you guys call rugby football

[proud cobalt]

Thats real footy 😉

[naive imp]

Aren't there some minot differences?

Idk

I don't watch sporrs

*sports

[digital helm]

They literally call "National Rugby League" "Footy" 😆

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah theres rugby union too

Which is also football

[naive imp]

If you want the actual answer why it's pretty lame

Americans call it Football because it's played on one's feet

As if we could play it on our hands or something

Idfk

[digital helm]

start calling every sport with a ball football

[lucid junco]

The freedom density

[naive imp]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[languid kayak]

I know we had talk about it, but can someone verify this trivia? I cleaned up a little, but can't say if it's indeed appearing once? @serene sage maybe? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Church#Trivia

original trivia was this: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Church&curid=27655&diff=560565&oldid=425169

[serene sage]

I believe that “story” does exist but I’ve never been able to spawn it in like other randomized stories

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Groom_(male_outfit)

[serene sage]

I think it’s just some rare zed outfits that some people mistake for a story

[proud cobalt]

Story definitely exists

Idk if its just 1 per world though

[serene sage]

strange

never seen it in debug mode

[languid kayak]

hm

[lucid junco]

It is not a story

There are predefined zed table that can spawn zeds with various outfits

And bride outfit is one of them

[languid kayak]

I reworded it https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Church#Trivia – if we find more info, then we can improve it from there

could link to Groom / Bride maybe

(the outfits)

[proud cobalt]

Oh waut

Wait

Sharp is right

[languid kayak]

btw @lucid junco those are unused? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Stor-A-Max_Container,_T.I.S._Far_East_Louisville_Construction_site.png https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Stor-A-Max_Container,_Main_military_checkpoint.png

[proud cobalt]

    -- you have a 50% chance of having this zone spawning, to bring more randomness to the world
    chanceToSpawn = 50,
    -- max 1 wedding per map
    toSpawn = 1,
    -- Mandatory zed
    WeddingDress = {
        -- name of the outfit
        name="WeddingDress",
        -- number to spawn
        toSpawn=1,
        -- The wedding dress is only on female
        gender="female",
        -- we will be forced to spawn this one
        mandatory="true",
        -- need to be in that exact room
        room="church",
    },
    Groom = {
        name="Groom",
        toSpawn=1,
        gender="male",
        mandatory="true",
        room="church",
    },
    Priest = {
        name="Priest",
        toSpawn=1,
        gender="male",
        mandatory="true",
        room="church",
    },
    -- Others
    Classy = {
        name="Classy",
        -- Chance at 75 means 75% of the zombies spawning (except mandatory) will have this outfit, the other 10% will have generic, the total chance of them all should be <= 100
        chance=75,
        -- no gender selected because we have Classy outfit for both gender
    },
    Waiter = {
        name="Waiter_Classy",
        chance=15,
    }
};```

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I was planning on adding them but currently I think the gallery will be too big

[proud cobalt]

So it is 1 per map

Thats confirmed

[languid kayak]

huh

[lucid junco]

Only one?

What about Wedding zombie type

[proud cobalt]

    toSpawn = 1,```

So theres a 50% chance it spawns on the map at all, and if it doesn it only spawns 1

[lucid junco]

So the whole "modern church" is misleading

[proud cobalt]

So it should read *There is a 50% chance that one church on the map will spawn a wedding

[lucid junco]

Oh its the first thing in zonedefinition.lua lol

[proud cobalt]

Literally the example zone lol

[lucid junco]

Technically still incorrect

Only Churches with Wedding zed type can spawn them

Though wait

you have a 50% chance of having this zone spawning, to bring more randomness to the world

Does this mean that zed types should have 50% of spawning?

[proud cobalt]

I think its 50% chance that it will even try to add the zone when you start a save

[lucid junco]

I dont think thats true

[proud cobalt]

How else can you iterperate these two together

    chanceToSpawn = 50,
    -- max 1 wedding per map
    toSpawn = 1,```

[lucid junco]

I dunno, thats why Im asking

I though zed type is predefined

and it looks like it is

[proud cobalt]

Hmm, i mean the comments could be wrong. It wouldnt be the first time. All the comments about handy skill are wrong

[lucid junco]

There is one problem

I cant get the damn bride to spawn

[proud cobalt]

This one https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wedding_Dress_(female_outfit)

Does the groom work?

[lucid junco]

All other fancy pants are here

[proud cobalt]

Are any of those actually groom?

[lucid junco]

Oooh wait

room="church",

Im dumbg

There she is

Damn she is rare

1/200

Waaait

New save, now no wedding zeds

[proud cobalt]

Theyre only generics

So the wedding type didnt spawn

[lucid junco]

Yeah

[proud cobalt]

So even though the zone is hard coded into the map whether that zone is actually used can be up to chance

[lucid junco]

(Fallas lake church had spawned the zone again though)

[lucid junco]

Pretty much

So if the church has a wedding zombie type

If it is activated

If the zed spawns in a church

There is a chance that it will be a bride

Or groom

[proud cobalt]

And only if no other church has a bride and groom right -- max 1 wedding per map toSpawn = 1,

Otherwise it will just spawn the classy type

Naturally, without using debug

[lucid junco]

Yeah

Probably😅

[proud cobalt]

I think that makes sense

[lucid junco]

@naive imp In the case of the business being crammed into the building with other, bigger ones, should we just have its doors and sign visible for Isometric view in the infobox?

Showing the whole building is a bit excessive to me

But showing only the outside of it is a bit confusing and not centered on the business itself

[flat sun]

it's not a 50% chance that one spawns at all, it's a 50% chance each time you approach a new church that that one will be picked to be the one

[proud cobalt]

So lets say i approach a church, that one has a 50% chance to hit, if it doesnt, the next church i go to has the same. but if that one does hit than no other church will?

[flat sun]

yeah

specifically it rolls this the first time a zombie spawns in that zone

[naive imp]

Faal asked me the same. Imo it's a case by case by case basis. For a building like you showed, where it's a only like three businesses I think it should be shown. But for the big big strip malls it's better just to do the one business

That's why in the description I mention "It is x unit with x sign"

Plus cuts down on the amount of files we have to manage

[languid kayak]

Though are all churches listed on a page identified as a possible location? I'd say Brandenburg and burnt ones probably aren't?

[lucid junco]

Smaller ones arent viable also

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I saw the discussions; in case it wasn't already, should definitely be put on the wiki, good research everyone!

[proud cobalt]

Only ones with the wedding zombie type zoning

[languid kayak]

We could note them in the table I guess?

[languid kayak]

so keep them unused for now?

Technically gallery has no limit if you'd want to add them, but I can get what could you mean, especially as we have the infobox images with floors in gallery too

[languid kayak]

btw @lucid junco this one's marked for deletion https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Zlatko's_and_Coven-U-Mart_(Louisville_south_of_LSU).png as duplicate of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Zlatkos.png but it's used in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Conven-U-Mart

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Game_modes&curid=859&diff=567215&oldid=525041 – wasn't the awesome, wonderful and must-play wording originally a description in the game?

[serene sage]

just checked, that is indeed what it says in-game

[languid kayak]

hm, I guess this should be reverted @proud cobalt ? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=School_Bag&curid=9814&diff=618795&oldid=594779

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i think so

[languid kayak]

there isn't a school defined as a room btw?

[proud cobalt]

No looks like they're all hall locker

[languid kayak]

seems the school isn't even the best place to look for them, too

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Should we remove items and just link to the outfit?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dean&curid=39145&diff=618809&oldid=598285

[lucid junco]

Really? It was previously sitting either in zlatkos infobox or gallery, so I assumed it was another extra pic

[languid kayak]

may as well, yeah. WE're duplicating info.

BTW, we still want to maintain two pages, right? So the one for NPC and one for the outfit?

[lucid junco]

I guess we will leave it then

[proud cobalt]

Reverted

[languid kayak]

btw, I lost the link now, but there's a mod that fixes some misspellings in distributions, sometimes items does not spawn due to a typo. Sharpgolden also found a lot of rooms that spawn wrong items

I wonder if the script lists them too

[proud cobalt]

Do you think its worth trimming back usage again? I remember a conversation about avoiding repeating information from the infobox in article
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Duffel_Bag&diff=618775&oldid=618759

[languid kayak]

found it: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3033301901

was mentioned here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bhjr9pMjGo

This mods fixes many typos in the distributions.

List of typos fixed :

CrateCompactDisks -> CrateCompactDiscs
BakeryDonuts -> BakeryDoughnuts
CrateSandbags -> CrateSandBags
SportsStoreSneakers -> SportStoreSneakers
PlankStashWeapon -> PlankStashGun
ElectronicStoreComputer -> ElectronicStoreComputers
ElectronicsStoreMusic -> ElectronicStoreMusic
CrateNapkins -> CratePaperNapkins
MusicStoreAcoustic -> MusicStoreGuitar

Additionnally, this fixes some other stuff :

Added missing golf store loot tables : "golfstore" , "golffactory" , "golfshipping". The golf store in Louisville now finally has golf loot : lots of golf clubs, golf bags, golf balls, golf-related clothes, and metalworking supplies.
Added a missing loot table for the sewing store that was referenced but never implemented : it contains the Tailoring Skill books. See, that's why no one ever found Tailoring Skill books in these stores.
Added missing loot tables that was referenced but never implemented : in the railyard : (railyardstorage, railyardrepair, traincar). Now the Railyard east of Muldraugh is a great loot location for metalworkers and mechanics.
Added a 'classroom2" loot table to fix the March Ridge's School loot, because the room name of the classrooms in that school is 'classroom2" instead of 'classroom'.
Added a missing 'GunStoreGuns' loot table that was referenced but never implemented : in the Pawn Shop Offices.
Added a missing laboratory loot table for counters.
Added a missing plumber loot table, containing plumbing supplies.

[proud cobalt]

This is the kind of stuff that should have been a 41.78.17 update.

I understand not diverging your branches all the time, but come on

I've definitely seen this one GunStoreGuns

[languid kayak]

I get that they probably weren't thinking how much time build 42 will take, but yeah, this kind of fix could be made. On one hand it's more and more pointless to add anything now, but OTOH the b42 won't be MP on release anyway and will be unstable for even longer.

[proud cobalt]

I hope the majority of this stuff is actually patched a long time ago, just waiting for a public release

Also you dont have to move the see also on the outfit pages if youre trying to catch up on recent changes, i will go through them again and do it as i do the outfits

Also i removed all the 'NPCs' sections of distribution i had the bot find, will work on 'buildings' too soon

[languid kayak]

I think it is, the loot changes widely. Also I wonder how b42 will be, but b41 had its habit of adding really big changes with seemingly small patches, that's why things were not so clear as a lot of info was added on wiki at different times

[proud cobalt]

And i used the bot to rearange item pages to be in as much of style guide order as possible. Only compatible with item pages currently, but should come in handy in B42

[languid kayak]

There was a patch that changed loot tables a lot, there was a patch that added a lot of food items, there were new clothes being added (and some are left unfinished), louisville was added mid-patch, heck, even some early b42 content we have has snuck in 😄

[languid kayak]

Assuming outfits and character pages are split, I guess we could change "Items" to "Outfit" in infobox person?

oh wait, we have outfit already, so just remove items and link to outfit

[proud cobalt]

Didn't see this, yeah one page for NPC and one for outfit i think is best, will let us expand in future with NPCs too. Link to outfit in the NPC infobox

[languid kayak]

btw, not sure you saw my previous post or I missed the reply, but we're not touching the naming I guess? As in always stating the (male/female and outfit) in the name?

like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Groom_(male_outfit) won't collide with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Groom

[proud cobalt]

Yeah at least for outfits that have both we definitely should. They can have significantly different loot pools.
Could be condensed to Groom (outfit) too.

[languid kayak]

do we need an (outfit) though?

[proud cobalt]

For ones that dont have an opposite version, maybe we don't. But like Dean would need (outfit) at least. Same with all other NPC ones

[languid kayak]

I know we'll be bound to get some collisions eventually, but it's where we get the paranetheses then?

yeah, for NPCs we could. Also, we may actually get NPC names eventually, like we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bobby_Collins but https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Raider_(male_outfit)

huh https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Joan – that's Fuberti's edits, where does it in the blog post that was probably going to be referenced for that is mention of these outfits appearing in build 42?

She currently can not be found in the game, but this is going to change when build 42 is out, because Her and all Lore Characters will be official found and Spawn in the world in their respective workplaces and where they apparently died.

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/05/glowing-onez/

same with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/John

also here: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Build_42&curid=14085&diff=576997&oldid=477647

[proud cobalt]

Fubertis edits have been very poor particularly lately. I've left a message on their talk page but they continue to edit with no change. I've been trying to follow their edits around to make them better, but have resorted to simply reverting quite a few now

[languid kayak]

oh wait

As another part of us bedding down in the lore, meanwhile, we are also making sure that characters in broadcasts, flyers and newspapers who have an evident place of work (or place of demise) have their zombified forms spawn at the relevant location on the map.

[languid kayak]

sadly it's the case for a year already 😄 Would be nice if Fuberti would respond. I've been clearing them out too, as they do have a grain of usefulness, but are always too wordy and chaotic

They sadly are very speculative

[proud cobalt]

Very chaotic, i prefer not to simply revert an editors work, even though im against mass future features in trivia (or trivial). So have been redoing them and marking them with {{Sup|Future}} to track down later

I find much of it is not relevant and just requires deleting though. I try leave whats relevant in a cohesive manor

😉
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Joan&diff=618849&oldid=618845

[languid kayak]

funny is how I realized that too but when I wanted to change it it was already done 😄

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/John#Outcome – is this even a standard header? (outcome, level 2)

[proud cobalt]

I did a few and realised if i want to be cheeky i should fix my own articles first 😄

[languid kayak]

Was there before, though https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=John&oldid=546417

since the beginning, actually https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=John&oldid=347761

[proud cobalt]

Can likely be merged into overview right?

That would overview the entire story

[languid kayak]

Maybe? The NPC pages have the timeline on them, similar to radio stations, I wasn't that much up to speed with the lore so I never got these much though

Anyway https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Joan https://pzwiki.net/wiki/John and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kirsty_Cormick are a little cleaned; more could follow I bet

oh and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jackie_Jaye too

[proud cobalt]

Looks good

Ive sorted the see also sections on the outfit pages that should basically be done, the rest will be sorted as i get through them now

Also any ideas of what else to add to this page? I'm not sure on the best way to add to it.
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Outfit

[languid kayak]

oh there's Duke, Dean and Frank too, gonna fix those too

[languid kayak]

Well, the other pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle have table with images, so I guess something like that?

[languid kayak]

Cleaned up https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Triple-N#Trivia too

I moved https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Cheezlover100/Other_Countries for now to not straight up remove it, but not sure if there's anything of value really 😩

(and it was mostly prompted by the deletion notice saying it was moved to talk page, when it was not)

Do we need this at all? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title='Til_Death_Us_Do_Part&curid=1000&diff=577901&oldid=577891 K&B story is already present in some way, not sure if b42 will change it really and the note about music feels redundant at best

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=LBMW_-_Kentucky_Radio&curid=14183&diff=577905&oldid=527327 – is that change correct?

[proud cobalt]

It was. The user deleted it
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Cheezlover100&diff=578223&oldid=577923

[languid kayak]

oh

seems accidential but indeed 😄

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title='Til_Death_Us_Do_Part&curid=1000&diff=577891&oldid=577889 it was supposed to link to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uxFzOie7ro – I still think it's redudant at best?

[proud cobalt]

Yes not particularly needed

[languid kayak]

Are these zone stories? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Zone_stories&curid=49559&diff=577875&oldid=529621

[proud cobalt]

No they're building stories
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Building_stories#Looted_Shop
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Building_stories#K&B_story

[languid kayak]

I wonder if the text in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TV_Magazine#Location should be deleted or kept, there's a location table, but it doesn't explain all the quirks

@lucid junco the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Deep_Fried_Heaven should probably have its own screenshot? It currently shares it with the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ol'_Scratch

[rotund echo]

There's an actual West Point mayor character??

[lucid junco]

What

I thought I had changed it

Ooh

Ikip

Why would you use the same image in two infoboxes

Ill upade both images when im back home

[languid kayak]

yup, people said they found the character and twiggie over one YouTube video, but I'm not sure if it truly spawns?

IIRC it was one of the comments here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbxJGvinhM4

the video misses Raider outfit and I think one more though 😛

oh yeah, it misses Woodcut 😛

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbxJGvinhM4&lc=UgxoAP9_BW0SSSezylB4AaABAg

Not sure how true it is, or was it just a random zombie looking similar.

Would be nice if we could have the spawns extracted on wiki to confirm, assuming that's even possible?

I saw you removed the speculation bit @proud cobalt but what is orange and blue label gasoline? Initially I though they meant bottle of gasoline, but maybe it's soemthing from a mod? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Fire_Bomb&diff=619143&oldid=619139

Also, I think that while the info about bottles is sane, especially as Molotov can use a few bottles, repeating the recipe is excessive

[proud cobalt]

Orange soda vs water bottle?

[languid kayak]

wait, so can fire bomb be crafted with bottles of gasoline?

I'd have to boot the game, our recipe nor https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bottle_of_Gasoline doesn't mention it

It seems that our easter egg page was popular enough to be made onto a video 😄 @tulip kiln https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM5haLSFzMw
(sorry for the ping, random person)

[proud cobalt]

@tulip kiln

[languid kayak]

oops, thanks!

[tulip kiln]

ayeee, I remember watching as many of those types of vids as I could to try and see any easter eggs we missed.

[languid kayak]

I see some were missed, ironically the two that are on the thumbnail are not covered 😄 (Will Porter's lunchbox and chainsaw)

I also watched the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz9igp7iIEQ

It has tenatively useful bits, though again, not exhausitve.

I wonder where is this location? https://youtu.be/zz9igp7iIEQ?feature=shared&t=33 and whether it's indeed intentional?

The fort area being speculated as Fort Knox is something that was discussed a lot, but never confirmed.

I think we don't mention Brian Hicks music on the easter eggs too.

The black squares on map sometimes can be squares that get converted to wooden floor too (default tile).

Telecorn was something that was officially said being a meme (I think by nasko)

not sure what to think about this edit… https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Knox_Event&type=revision&diff=578187&oldid=463995 seems it's forced?

[tulip kiln]

Personally I don't like it. It's pretty obvious that some remnants of humanity will survive the zombie apocalypse, just that most won't and society has completely collapsed. So I don't think we need reminders that humanity isn't going to go extinct over it.

[languid kayak]

yeah, same, I think I'll just revert it

They aren't cited in the source tweets so feel excessive

[tulip kiln]

Not just that, it feels more like something somebody would say to motivate other survivors, when the page is actually just about how fucked everything is getting.

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt what are Outfit_ locations about? Are these the actual outfits? This one's from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Rock_Gods#Location

[languid kayak]

but is it the same as the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Student_(female_outfit) and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Student_(male_outfit) or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Varsity_(male_outfit) or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Varsity_(female_outfit) ?

I guess it has a chance to be added to these outfits?

If so, that's something we're curently not listing, pinigng @proud cobalt for that.

Also, seems the gender doesn't matter / needs to be defined here.

oh btw @lucid junco thanks for all these location edits btw, I'm now going through a backlog of changes before writing a summary today :D.

One minor nit is I tend to add newlines before headers, as in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=The_Orange_Anchor&type=revision&diff=619257&oldid=578289 – though I think one of Calvy's scripts would fix it eventually for them to be uniform?

[lucid junco]

The fort was there for some time after lv was added. It is on the left corner of the map

[languid kayak]

yeah, it's quite well known, I saw a lot of people refering to it as of Fort Knox, though we have nothing to back it up so may as not well be 😄 I think we had a brief discussion about it

Especially since https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Welcome_to_fort_knox.png exist (and it's not there)

[lucid junco]

It is probably a testing ground or just a leftover like bradenburg or other upcoming locations that are currently present as a rough sketches

[lucid junco]

It is definetly not fort knox

Fort would be waaay bigger

Less abandoned

And had some modern things in it

Since people were captured in it for testings

[lucid junco]

Thinking about it, it looks more like an historical sight

Aaanyway, I dont think this is cannon in any shape or form

It is really far from the "border" of the map

So I dont think players were ment to see this

[lucid junco]

It isnt a wooden floor

Since it would look more like a dark floor

And not a bit miracilously looking void

Honestly, not to hate on guy, but the way he presents this is really clickbait-y

Ive never liked his vids because of that

If you go to the areas in game, there will be nothing "spooky" or "mysterious" about it

They are probably just rendering errors

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Deep_Fried_Heaven

New image

Storage unit

My favourite hairdresser

[languid kayak]

I think the single black squares on the map were fixed, but were present before the last map export, going there just resulted in wooden board, as I tested it myself. Not sure if any more are present on the map?

but if so, you are correct 😄

The ones present on the map are not the ones I've been thinking of

[lucid junco]

There is a single wooden board that Im aware of and it shows black on the map, but its obviously a floor that is missing, not a backhole

[digital helm]

You can only make a fire bomb with the empty water bottle (WaterBottleEmpty) but you can use the petrol from bottle of gasoline in the recipe

    recipe Make Flame bomb
    {
       [Recipe.GetItemTypes.Petrol]=4,
       RippedSheets/RippedSheetsDirty/DenimStrips/DenimStripsDirty,
       WaterBottleEmpty,

       Result:FlameTrap,
       Time:80.0,
       NeedToBeLearn:true,
       Category:Engineer,
    }

[lucid junco]

(The one near Bens cabin that ive shown)

[languid kayak]

ah, true, thanks 😄

[languid kayak]

that's nice; seems the wiki doesn't acknowledge that in the actual recipe yet?

BTW, I think I mentioned it before, but I'm still puzzled on https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=LBMW_-_Kentucky_Radio&curid=14183&diff=577905&oldid=527327 – was the old date wrong?

[digital helm]

Yeah... petrol is an item tag, which I didn't add for ingredients yet (a fair bit of work when it'll likely change come b42). Unless we wanted to dive into using liquids early? Like I was testing here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/Crafting (gas currently links to the gas station called "gas")

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I removed https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Military_Helmet&type=revision&diff=619311&oldid=599071 but I wonder maybe some bits should stay? Also pinging @digital helm for that?

removed that too https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Overalls&type=revision&diff=619313&oldid=615995

I also kept this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Military_Helmet#Trivia but not sure we need such trivias, at the extreme we could have said the same at any item that someone can remotely assign with a profession

I suppose it's true btw? I'd have to check. If so, it needs an icon: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Park_Ranger&curid=11335&diff=581263&oldid=459161

[digital helm]

My problem is that where the outfits can be found is being removed. Which wouldn't be a problem if the outfits were linked, as that page would specify where they can be found. So, solved with adding links? @proud cobalt

[digital helm]

Not trivia. Otherwise you'd specify that for everything. Fire fighter, police, etc. I think we need to expand the style guide for trivia tbh

from wikipedia's style guide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Trivia_sections

Trivia sections should be avoided. A list of arbitrary points risks becoming a trivia magnet, which grows increasingly unwieldy as things are added on.

E.g. I don't think this should be in trivia. If anywhere, it can go in location. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ranger_Hat#Trivia

[digital helm]

Just checked. Ranger Hat can be added. I'll add the icon

[languid kayak]

@quasi thunder I updated https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping a little, just in case you want to move the changes to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Trapping/uk as I see you translated the page recently

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Trapping&type=revision&diff=619363&oldid=580137

[quasi thunder]

Heh, some of these changes I’ve already incorporated into the translation. I’ll add the rest now.

Or not now🤷‍♂️

[languid kayak]

Leaving it here as Ksilem can't access Discord: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Washington_High_S5.01 in case anyone knows where is it from. There are more Ksilem couldn't identify what are based on/refering to, including https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Ballincoolin_S1.01 and maybe some from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Autogenerated_articles_(media) as they wasn't updated yet since automatic generation.

Pinging @tulip kiln in case you want to deep dive into more possible Easter eggs 😄

[tulip kiln]

Yeah nah I 100% won't be able to figure these out. Closest I can think of to Ballincoolin is Father Ted, but it likely isn't that, only similarities I can think of is it that the main characters are priests and both set in Ireland.

[languid kayak]

I found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEX35bqvMms but not sure it address these? Which brought me on how many interesting video are on that channel 😄 Not sure I'm gonna watch them now, but eventually I will

[languid kayak]

hm, it seems the gallery in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stor-A-Max is low, but the page should use a building multi location template? Also it's not just Muldraugh

[lucid junco]

We've discussed it earlier with thinkdock

It seems as store a max either renting out its trailers/containers

Or they were salvaged by other companies and put to other use

While it may be a great trivia, in which we could list a table where all of the containers with their logo

We had argued whether it would be of some value or something completely unnecessary

Although, we had discussed about listing them all in gallery, not in a neat, location table

@languid kayak How do I make sandbox again?

@naive imp Case to case issue had arrived

Should we use pics of individual signs for the lower businesses in the infobox, pic of the entire strip mall or something else?

[languid kayak]

add /sandbox to the end of the URL of any page (including yours)

[lucid junco]

(something like this)

[languid kayak]

I'd say whole, but @naive imp may know better

[quasi thunder]

Why didn't you make a regular footnote with <reference>? or like in the screenshot.

Without <ref>

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Sharpgolden/sandbox

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak @naive imp

[languid kayak]

minor changes, https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User%3ASharpgolden%2Fsandbox&type=revision&diff=619683&oldid=619681 but I like it that way otherwise

[lucid junco]

No patric, MSR700 is not an instrument

[languid kayak]

no? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfjcW1ZiiM

Okay, <@&1205891296565268520> this time of month again, monthly summary for October 2024 is up! https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#October_2024_summary

[lucid junco]

Only cannons are instruments

[languid kayak]

btw, I seem to have missed one contributor, but is https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Server_settings&diff=prev&oldid=591855 true?

Also Calvy this month

compare with me

[lucid junco]

How do I check my contributions?

[quasi thunder]

Well, actually, what NeGat1FF did doesn't really need to be considered anymore, since I completely redid the main page. He is currently working on the Survival Guide; the last tile I asked him, it was about 50%, and now I think it's around 70%. Also improved and created several weapon articles. And sheesh, Ukrainina😂

[patent lark]

@frail fossil

[pure osprey]

i swear ive never actually seen this channel before

who ping

[quasi thunder]

This I also reworked

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sharpgolden and if you're using the Citizen skin, it shows at your user page 🙂

[lucid junco]

Oh

Im not

[lucid junco]

Thanks

[languid kayak]

Thanks, fixed 😄

Also, I guess all contributions matters, even if in the end they have to be redone 🙂

[languid kayak]

it's the Wiki Editor role, you must have clicked on it before, see #frequentlyasked message from #frequentlyasked

[rotund echo]

Hey I'm there

[quasi thunder]

Thanks. So, then I think it would be appropriate to write something like: he fixed and created several articles related to weapons. Especially since he hasn't been active on the wiki for a long time, and this is his first contribution since January)

[quasi thunder]

Aaaah, that is, because of the skin, I can't see the nummber of edits🤦‍♂️

[quasi thunder]

Especially since there is such a mention😂

[languid kayak]

which is true 😄 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Survival_Guide&diff=prev&oldid=568679 minor but hey, still counts

I kinda mentioned you all guys in minor this time, sometimes I skip but generally I try to mention everyone that's been active since the last summary in any way

Sometimes hard to properly credit the amount of work; I've been thinking of alphabetizing minor edits, especially as this month I basically just did the summary of the last 20+ days over the course of the weekend lol

[quasi thunder]

Here, I said about this. Lol, almost everything on 5.10.

Where do you check for active?

Here, or?

[quasi thunder]

"Active users"

[languid kayak]

active users, yeah, it's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers and it should be linked in the news post too

[languid kayak]

Hm, I'm slowly getting into categorizing the location images, mainly the ones from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Location_images since there's not that many of them (prompted by Sharpgolden's huge amount of work toward LV locations :P).

So far there's few things that I'm not sure of:

• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Burnt_Mobile_Home_Park.png – I guess this is a part of the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burnt_town ? It is not mentioned on the page though, only on the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Exclusion_Zone_border which burnt town belongs to (though funnily the burnt town is split in two)
• https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_border_camp – is this part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Exclusion_Zone_border ? Currently it's classified as "Louisville"
• Similarily, does https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:93.2_trailer.png belong to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Exclusion_Zone_border_images ?

Pinging @lucid junco and @naive imp for opinions?

[languid kayak]

Also, a bit late, but a summary of the project location from ThinkDock was added now 😄

[naive imp]

Most of them I've already categorized but I'm sure there's more. To answer,

I think all those should be put under "Louisville images"

[languid kayak]

Yeah, most are Louisville, I'll be going through them sporadically one by one in my spare time slowly, but the questions are more about the edge cases listed below 😛

btw, seems there are just three pages with low quality in-game screenshots of the front; I updated them all with reupload accordingly
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/County_Clerk_and_Records
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Greenwood_Office_Building
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/High_Street_Apartments

While the improvements to the rest are also welcome, these three are the last ones that needed {{Reupload}} tag

[lucid junco]

I dont think Burnt mobile park belongs to the burnt town

Though I had added it to the main border page fairly recently

While it has absolutely no value to the player, it is something that we should mention

[languid kayak]

Kinda like we treat Scenic Grove separately as well?

[languid kayak]

Yeah, especially as it might have some lore value. Or geography/roleplay/whatever.

[lucid junco]

Maybe, but less important and not deserving of its own page

[languid kayak]

I doubt we'll ever get its name, though I can imagine some NPC down the road referencing some weird locations eventually.

[lucid junco]

Maybe add a small section about if I hadnt done it already and thats it

[lucid junco]

There are screenshots with visible ui of pzmap

I dont know if I had cleaned them all out yet, since Im going page by page, removing them as I go

[languid kayak]

yeah, sadly. These are just the worst offenders.

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed 😄 Tremendous work btw; do you have any progress of how many locations are left for you to check?

[lucid junco]

I am currently at the offices section

[languid kayak]

and going off whatever is in the Louisville page?

Speaking of office, this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Offices_logo.png is still not used 😄

[naive imp]

@languid kayak I noticed you removed Louisville images category for the palette pop art supplies in the mall. That was intentional, since the mall is in Louisville I put both, kinda like it's a sub-location of Louisville

I do the same for Crossroads Mall and valley station

[lucid junco]

And Offices are still not reworked

[languid kayak]

Was thinking about it, but since you did the same for Crowssroads Mall, then it should be back; wasn't sure whether you confused both 😄

[naive imp]

All good 😀

[proud cobalt]

Some outfits exist in distributions/proceduraldistributions. I don't actually know how it works they're just containers. I assume when they die that determines what spawns on the corpse? Other than the outfit the zed itself is wearing? Will likely use redirects for it as its direct from the code

[lucid junco]

@naive imp we've discussed some time in the past about what should we do with Storamax trailers, can you approve or disapprove this implementation?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah updater should catch that

[languid kayak]

btw @proud cobalt I just started watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb266CS3r80 and it pretty much goes by your distribution list on the wiki, it still uses the old tables 😄

Not sure about you, but I guess it feels nice seeing people actually conting on it 😛

[proud cobalt]

Nope leave liquids in the void until B42 😄

[proud cobalt]

Yep outfits will be linked just needs an update to the script to format them properly. Next table update will include links

[proud cobalt]

I'm happy with this, in conjunction with above

[proud cobalt]

Many of them were also just wrong. Things that sound like they could be true, like school back packs being most common in schools, but they're not. It's good to have something solid to back that up

[proud cobalt]

We'd have to add 1000 Trivia for every clothing item for what CANT be chosen by each lol

[proud cobalt]

Vail beat me to it

[languid kayak]

yeah, best to be gone except for clothing that are actually on the professions. Unless we can included that on the script (is it even worth it?)

[languid kayak]

https://youtu.be/xb266CS3r80?feature=shared&t=939 funny how we had the discussion about the wedding story today 😄

Also, the video must have been in a making for a while (no wonders), seeing how a lot of the wiki wasn't even at 41.78.16 back then 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Doesn't make sense to me. 100 is a value in Ms for ping. 0 would be off. Could be wrong

[proud cobalt]

I've been busy 😆

[languid kayak]

yeah, gotta cross check that 🤔

[naive imp]

Imo just the trailer itself isn't worth having images for all of them, but if you maybe wanna put a picture of one as some world building or whatever in the gallery of the stor-a-max article I don't see an issue

[pure osprey]

Oh thanks

[indigo hemlock]

Hi

[proud cobalt]

Yeah it's cool, I've seen a few videos in tiktok showing them too. Nice to see it being used. Much happier with V4 though

[indigo hemlock]

The project zomboid community is so nice

[naive imp]

@lucid junco I've been back and forth about strip malls and plazas myself. The gist essentially is if it's a big one like acorn Plaza, Cardinal Plaza, or those rows of businesses in Louisville then it's a standalone pic. If the strip mall is small then you could include the whole thing but honestly it's case-by-case at this point

[naive imp]

We're chill

Just don't bring up multihit or axe vs crowbar again lol

[languid kayak]

Actually, it's 100 indeed

[indigo hemlock]

Ja du bist nett

[indigo hemlock]

Do u know what I just said?

[naive imp]

Bro I'm American lol I wish I knew other languages

[indigo hemlock]

Im learning German

BTW I Siad yes you are nice

Bist du schwul

[indigo hemlock]

LoL

[proud cobalt]

Interesting

[proud cobalt]

Definitely took quite some time. Wiki goes from light mode V1 tables to dark mode vector With V2 tables 😆

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt https://youtu.be/xb266CS3r80?feature=shared&t=1639 I guess it has changed? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nuclear_Biochemical_Mask

[languid kayak]

finger crossed we can keep up the pace with B42, heck then the wiki will get useful

[proud cobalt]

I want to look at this when I get home as I don't have access to the files. What I think happened is it's defined but never actually used. But I have to check

[proud cobalt]

Seeing the state of the wiki from this, even from 7-8 months ago is wild

V1 was wild and practically a proof of concept. It never actually checked if something was used only if it existed

You can also see the Crafting rewrite during the video

[languid kayak]

a little further in a video handy combination of tilezed and worlded loading the game map and overlaying rooms (which pzmap does), but also zombie spawns is shown, something that surely can come handy for us, I'll have to take a look at this

[proud cobalt]

If he waited 6 months this challenge would be so much easier. Proper coverage of home VHS, better distribution and Crafting tables, outfit spawns etc.

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I saw that, he seems to be able to filter it too

[proud cobalt]

Oh and random stories

[languid kayak]

yeah, overlaying this is definitely handy!

[proud cobalt]

This one has Citizen skin and V3 tables

https://youtu.be/5C3Whs_RnNA?si=APoomK0VSwwCaEZA

[languid kayak]

it's the next on my watch list 😄

speaking of, I think SQz is not doing the artworks for the newspapers? I know unconid is, but the SQz name came familiar too

[proud cobalt]

I've watched multiple of his other videos in the past. They're quite good

[languid kayak]

do Perogies (Pierogi) even spawn? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Perogies#Location

We currently have an empty table as well as a misleading note of "Perogies can often found inside displays in restaurant." (yeah, apprently they can't be found at all)

This should be marked future as well I guess https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Combination_Padlock

The video says 133 tapes, we have 135? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Retail_VHS

[languid kayak]

a few of your items have _ in the btw @proud cobalt https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Dr._Oids_Poster&type=revision&diff=619947&oldid=583431 – I'm fixing them as I spot them, not sure if there's a way to find them all?

Also, some movables have different casing, not sure which one is used in-game, as I'd have to check that

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I've seen those, something to do with an issue parsing the translations but only for a few of the tiles

[proud cobalt]

Empty location table is a by-product of a bug in V3. I thought I removed them all as they were meant to be blacklisted, but considering I've never even heard of this item, it's been missed lol. I doubt it spawns if the table is still empty in V4. Means it had nothing to add to it

[proud cobalt]

🤔

[languid kayak]

yeah, seems both perogies and combination padlock can be marked with {{future}}, IIRC we already did that for the canned fruits or whatever it was called

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Canned_Fruit_Beverage

Yeah

If you have access to distributions and proceduraldistributions atm could you do a quick search for Hat_NBCmask

[serene sage]

once I saw a YouTube short about removed character traits and it showed a bunch of screenshots of the trait articles I created a few months ago

SQz is a pretty underrated channel

[languid kayak]

someone said they can be found, but it might as well be a mod (or a server mod)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I saw this, I figure it must be a mod

[languid kayak]

And that video still says nuclear biochemical mask can be found in the location, but seems it's not in a V4 distribution? (the laboratory crate), as it's empty https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Nuclear_Biochemical_Mask#Location

btw, what caused the changes to be recalculated? Some error in a formula?

[proud cobalt]

V4 formula is more accurate. Has a better average density, and uses default 60% loot rarity for apocalypse, rather than 100% in V3

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I trust V4 over V3 but it's still possible it's a bug in the script. That's why I want to check

[flat sun]

i see it in my copy

it's in the TestingLab proc distribution which spawns in laboratory crates, desks and metal shelves

[languid kayak]

the mask? Apparently, there's no location with these in the vanilla map. Though the Calvy's V4 script doesn't even have that listed.

[flat sun]

in the video it only shows it spawning in crates so i don't think even the old version was quite correct

[languid kayak]

Yeah, that's inteseting indeed; pinging @proud cobalt for that too

[proud cobalt]

Hmm so it must be a bug. I'll have to investigate that when I get home

[languid kayak]

btw, it took me a while, but I went (at a glimps) through all your reworks of the tiles; two questions:

1. Which script are you using to generate the pages? Is it public and are you doing it by hand?
2. How accurate is Vail's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tile_list ? There's still a few red items and then there's a https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Left_Bar_Wall_Shelves&oldid=580027 that's marked for deletion now