pzwiki_editing

[proud cobalt]

But yes only 40 or so actual articles

A couple tiles, and some dev stuff

[digital helm]

do you think it's necessary having a dev one?

[proud cobalt]

Not particularly, just tiles and any items that were missed

I even missed Experimental Combat Build

Player should get one, i just dont know where 🤔

[digital helm]

I wasn't sure either

[proud cobalt]

Maybe just NPC... Even though its counter-intuitive, i think it makes sense

[digital helm]

it'd go with zombie

[proud cobalt]

Oh https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_survivors its called, so best fit there, though zombies arent survivors

[digital helm]

That might get combined with animals, and potentially renamed to be more inclusive?

[proud cobalt]

Do you think it should be with hunting and livestock being expanded in B42?

[digital helm]

something like how this category is split https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:AI

[proud cobalt]

I see

Like sub navboxes

[digital helm]

• AI
• Animals https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_animals
• Survivors (or renamed to something for zombies?) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_survivors

[proud cobalt]

Is there a best way i can mark these uniquely for nuke? A category or speedy delete?

[digital helm]

just do speedy delete

i's reserved for spam/advertising, but we don't really get that these days

[proud cobalt]

Yeah had that 1 for USA flag last week which was a little funny. The filter does a pretty good job

And i've not once been pulled up by it in 7500 edits

[digital helm]

it's so much better these days

It stopped working once and I spent an entire day deleting spam as it came in until Kirrus could fix it. So it's definitely doing a LOT

[proud cobalt]

Whos running these spam bots though. Surely they just dont work

[digital helm]

I think the same about scam calls and emails (the obvious ones), but they must be getting some people

[restive adder]

I checked the filter a couple days ago. Was like 2 false positives, out of 145 hits

They do work for most out of the box mediawki installs, cos its out of the box filtering is nonexistent

[digital helm]

Weird that they don't have at least something

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak LSU Has stone fence as a part of one of its signs, should I include it?

[swift warren]

Oh the wiki supports the dark theme! What a wonderful feature!

[digital helm]

and we'll be switching to the citizen skin after the weekend https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Axe&useskin=citizen
Has both light and dark theme along with customisable page width, all without having to log in

uses users system theme by default

[swift warren]

So our customized vector dark theme is obsolete? 😂

[proud cobalt]

It will go back to light mode for users that like the vector layout

[digital helm]

yep... spent a whole weekend doing it too 😩 we'll be reverting it back to default eventually

[proud cobalt]

But it was a good mid-point

[swift warren]

The new skin comes a little late. 😂

[digital helm]

that skin is a mess

[swift warren]

I also noticed you start using the color ball for task marking.

It looks great.

[proud cobalt]

I did it after seeing your to do list, helps keep track of what is being worked on

[swift warren]

Is the 41 update project completely finished?

[proud cobalt]

Yep, any last pieces were moved to B42 preperation project, which will turn into the B42 project

Categories project was also completed

[swift warren]

But the task list seems longer than I saw before. 😂

[proud cobalt]

😆 It got pretty short at one point https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Tasks&oldid=282583, Faal likes to keep busy

With most project moving pretty slow alot of the tasks are getting done and replaced with new ideas

[swift warren]

Oh so many projects have been closed.

[proud cobalt]

Yes we have the new Lore project too

[serene sage]

removed and future traits all have their own articles now, and the character stats navbox has been properly updated to reflect that as well, so that task can be crossed off now

[naive imp]

@swift warren can I have your opinion on this?

[lucid junco]

Wha

The N and O are missing a piece in em

I thought I was going crazy and missed something

[proud cobalt]

Awesome job, ill mark that off for you

[proud cobalt]

Lol how does that even happen. Also fyi there's a small piece of another sign at the bottom of this

[digital helm]

Interested in other's thoughts on this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:Sarah52#Generic_tile_pages @languid kayak @proud cobalt
tl;dr turning the 'generic tile pages' like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Faucet into a page like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Containers instead of a disambiguation page
Example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fence

I think Sarah has good points

[proud cobalt]

I agree they are much more valuable than disam pages. I'm going out atm but if you're free could you add a note about it to SYF? That way when the collection of tiles are looking better I can start to organise them like this and know what pages are needed. I've don't a couple hundred image fixes this morning, I think I'll split them into categories next

[digital helm]

will do

The way the list of tiles is presented currently needs to be adjusted, as it's not very mobile friendly. I'll work on this

[proud cobalt]

It is also not in a particularly good order. For example look at the three segments for bar wall

And is missing the louisville tiles from Faals subpage

[swift warren]

No I think. Just keep the English pages as clean as they are. Only Non-En users will need to translate the page. It's not the excuse to add extra elements on the English pages.

[naive imp]

Then how do you suppose we bring attention to articles that desperately need translation and are several revisions out of date, I.e. Muldraugh/de?

[swift warren]

I'd say waiting for the translation extension. It has better tools to solve this.
Currently there is no best way to automatically mark page that need to be translated after you update the English page. I thought of using the revision page mbox but not good. So I just did nothing and waiting for Kirrus's response.

[lucid junco]

Intentional :P

There were so many details that my 2000x2000 tileset wasnt big enough

[digital helm]

Much better on mobile now

[proud cobalt]

So you just replaced the table with a div and now it dynamically updates?

Replace old "Ingredients" section links to recipe ingredients with the new one (these require some research, some were changed manually, but many but don't link correctly at this moment, most notably in crafting recipes, though both the recipe ingredients page and crafting templates may be split/redone)
Not sure whos task this was, but happy to look into this now that bot tasks is thinned out a little. Just want some more info about what needs to be done

@digital helm @languid kayak

[digital helm]

yeah. It uses block and inline-block with the gallery-list class https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-1144

[digital helm]

I think this was Faal, but I think some recipes are linking to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients which should be changed to the dedicated page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Evolved_recipes but I think some may still be missing

This is probably more of a manual task than a bot task

[proud cobalt]

After some feedback for tile categories please

Current:

    >Appliance tiles
    >Barriers
        >Doors
        >Fences
        >Gates
        >Wall tiles
        >Windows
    >Comfort tiles
    >Container tiles
    >Crops
    >Decorations
    >Floor tiles
    >Lighting tiles
    >Movable tiles
    >Plumbing tiles
    >Stairs
    >Tables
    >Water sources```
Proposed:
```>Tiles
    >Appliance tiles
        >Ovens (Or 'Heat sources'?)
        >Fridges
        >Entertainment tiles (Maybe not final name?)
    >Barriers
        >Doors
        >Fences
        >Gates
        >Wall tiles
        >Windows
    >Comfort tiles
        >Beds
        >Chairs
    >Container tiles
        >Counters
        >Shelves
        >Bins
    >Crops
    >Decoration tiles (Renamed from decorations)
        >Sign tiles
        >Gravestone tiles
        >Paintings (Maybe 'Art tiles' or 'Wall decoration tiles'?)
        >Electronics tiles
    >Floor tiles
        >Carpets
    >Lighting tiles
    >Plumbing tiles
    >Stairs
    >Tables
    >Water sources
        >Sinks
        >Toilets
    >Vegetation tiles
    >Misc tiles```

[digital helm]

I think they're really good.

Entertainment tiles (Maybe not final name?)
Assuming this is things like TVs and Radios, so I'd go with Communication tiles, to stick with in-game category and the items. Or even just re-use the items one, since they're all placeable tiles. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Communications

Ovens (Or 'Heat sources'?)
To me heat sources feels like something that provides heat (for the player) rather than something that cooks food - something I'd considered changing since b40 came out

Paintings (Maybe 'Art tiles' or 'Wall decoration tiles'?)
Previously I had thought Wall decorations, to include things like mirrors. That or Wall decoration tiles works

[proud cobalt]

Ok thinking about it, i don't think we need Entertainment,

How about Cooking appliances

Wall decoration tiles sounds best too

[digital helm]

I'm happy with cooking appliances

I think you pretty much aced it first go

[proud cobalt]

Sorry about recent changes

[languid kayak]

Ir was mine, there are some links that link to sections, but they'd have to be listed manually,, if you'll have trouble, I'll take a look

[languid kayak]

was supposed to reply to here, replied from mobile notification lol

When B42 hits we'll be really torn between editing and playing 😄

[languid kayak]

Player should get the survivor one I guess, technically it's the survivor, especially if you consider playing as Bob or Jane Doe.

[languid kayak]

can you link to example?

[languid kayak]

not too late, at least before b42 😛

[languid kayak]

Nice catch, might be worth checking in-game to be 100% sure but something bug-report worth I guess

[languid kayak]

Actually why not? I have done so for some of the item types like Firearms

[lucid junco]

Thats the problem, I dont know part of which one they should be

[languid kayak]

I'd scrap the "tiles" part when not needed?

[lucid junco]

They look like ones from near bushes

[languid kayak]

you think of including the wall? I'd not I guess?

[lucid junco]

Since there are exactly 3 stonewall tiles that are present in a "one off signs" category

I dont know why they are considered as signs and not as walls/fences

That looks like an another bug 😄

Ill check them out more closely when Im back home

[languid kayak]

Hm, do we prefer to have just generic televion instead one for each TV type? Refering to
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Valutech_Television&curid=43845&diff=359463&oldid=359069

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the television page has enough info imo
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Television

[languid kayak]

Unless we'll want to split it 😄

[proud cobalt]

If we got more variants maybe

[languid kayak]

Anyway, about the recipe ingredients, the ones that link to sections that have e.g., uppercase "Ingredients" and those links are broken, but I can't find which 🤔 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Recipe_ingredients

But yeah, they'd ideally be split and revamped into dedicated pages. Smaugoferebor started the work briefly, but it is left in just basic state. The page itself is largely outdated anyway, with some comments in the code saying things as old as <!-- Last updated Build 34.28 --> Quite big task to tackle, so no one went into it, just doing small fixes here and there 😄

[languid kayak]

You can take a look at the old layout in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories/Category_tree for reference too, when I'll haved some time I'll remove the red links there as well

[proud cobalt]

I wonder if modding should have a different colour to game and meta pages, as it doesnt really fit in either 🤔

Since it is seperated too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Main

[languid kayak]

Three colors? That could actually work, the yellow would probably be fitting

Something to add to project modding for throughts

BTW, about tiles naming we briefly discussed with Vail "Traversable" instead of "Barriers", as that's the tiles that allow you to traverse through

[proud cobalt]

I like this

[proud cobalt]

Is there a yellow already? I was thinking green

[proud cobalt]

Once i finish categorising i can do any name changes easily with the bot

Something like this but works with the blue a little better

Pinging @digital helm for thoughts of the overall idea too

[digital helm]

I don't mind the idea. I actually first picked blue for modding since it matched the blueprint from spiffo's workshop 😄 so I'd just reverse it, personally

We were considering removing the different colours early this year/late last year

[proud cobalt]

New colours for meta articles?

[digital helm]

yeah

either way, it doesn't really matter

[proud cobalt]

Something like this

[digital helm]

yeah. Except the green really needs to be adjusted 😄

[proud cobalt]

Or spiffo orange

Needs to be adjusted too

[digital helm]

yeah, doesn't work with the link colour

Here's some of the colours I had played with previously. Infobox used to be a different colour based on the type

All colours except community and default were taken from the book icons

[proud cobalt]

It's hard to get an orange thats still readable. I think orange is the best bet if we change meta colour

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Appliances (Appliance free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Walls (Wall free too); should be a free category if we change to traversable
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Comfort (Comforts free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Signs (Sign free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Gravestones (Gravestone free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Floors (Floor free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lighting (Lightning free too); maybe https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Lights though (Light free too)?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Plumbing (Plumbings free too)
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Vegetation (Vegetation is free too)

Not sure why Decorations got changed to Decoration tiles too? Guess it can be reverted.

Others should stay as is (Entertainment tiles, Container Tiles, Miscellaneous tiles)

Stairs would go to traversables following the change.

Not sure we'd need the redirects from plural to singular and I guess plural is preferred as did with items, except for things that are unaccountable.

There's also https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Entertainment (it hosts TV/Radio/Walkie talkies)

[digital helm]

that one looks better

[digital helm]

Note categories should never be a redirect. All you're redirecting is the link, pages will still get added to the redirect category. They're better off being deleted, so they're not used by accident

[proud cobalt]

Users cant move without redirect afaik, i just havnt gone back to mark it for deletion yet

[digital helm]

I see. I didn't know you'd moved them. I thought Faal was asking if we should add redirects 😄

[languid kayak]

I actually considered, yeah, but category redirects are bad indeed so your point stands 😄

[proud cobalt]

I feel like the distinction of tiles is worth it for some of the categories though. Like vegetation tiles implies that its not just actual plants. Does that make sense?

[languid kayak]

as compared to things like crop seeds or fruit/vegetable food?

[digital helm]

I was looking at this today. The ingredient lists are massive... but necessary https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soup#Ingredients. Not sure they should be collapsible either. Something like this may help, which will adjust based on screen size

[languid kayak]

Crops is kinda subcategory of it too 🤔

[lucid junco]

You can add beer in a soup?

[digital helm]

I wonder though, as this could change, with those indoor plants, etc.

[digital helm]

Took me by surprise too

[proud cobalt]

You can do it in real life too 😉

[digital helm]

😆

[proud cobalt]

These should probably be deleted
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:BrokenRedirects

[languid kayak]

Speaking of Entertainment/Communications, seems like TV, radio and walkie talkie are in both?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Communications
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Entertainment

Also, communication may be more fitting for these, I don't consider ham radios and walkie talkie "entertainment", actually the arcade machines are more likely to be classified as entertainment TBF.

[proud cobalt]

Yeah crops could go into vegetation tiles. I added Wheat and full grown corn to crops even though theyre not specifically farmable

[languid kayak]

Jokes aside, maybe not for soup, but me and wife used to use beer for pancake recipe IRL lol

[proud cobalt]

They're in communications as the header cat (at least for radio) and appliance tiles, entertainment, communications, and vehicle parts 🤔

I think we did that as part of navigation project, being quite liberal with secondary cats

[languid kayak]

yet 😄

[digital helm]

It's fitting for both. Since you have the RadioData for the entertainment side

[proud cobalt]

Not to say i disagree with it, i think it makes sense, categories dont have to be exclusive

[digital helm]

gets pretty hard to organise (and even navigate) if do make them exclusive

[proud cobalt]

And against the point of having them really

They act as tags

[digital helm]

Were we deleting the old items @languid kayak https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Hearty_Bowl_of_Soup&oldid=323209

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I redirected them to [[Soup]]

[languid kayak]

Good point about heat sources btw; Microwave isn't one for sure.

For Wall decorations, I decided to split them all into Curtains, and Mirrors in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles (Mirrors page was never created)

Weathered notices would go into trash

There are other things that correlate though, some drawings/signs are hanged (Muldraugh Elementary School for example), posters (movie ones), cork boards, flags…

[proud cobalt]

I put mirrors and curtains into misc category right now but not against putting them in their own

[proud cobalt]

Posters, cork boards etc i have put in wall decoration tiles

[digital helm]

I thought we were keeping them for historical reasons

[proud cobalt]

Same with weathered notices, would they be better in a trash category?

[digital helm]

Curtains and mirrors are really the only functional ones. I'd say put all the others in a generic category

[languid kayak]

There's barricades too (metal/wooden) on Windows, these are technically tiles

I'm not sure but I think weathered noticed or posters can't be used as fuel (yet?)

And I always complained about wall clock not showing time when you are in the room without a watch on hand 😄

[digital helm]

I think I remember your forum post 😄

[proud cobalt]

Theyre still decoration though right? Best fit in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Wall_decoration_tiles

[languid kayak]

If they can't be used as fuel as trash, I guess better to leave them there, yeah

They are kind of decoration after all 😛 Both for players and IRL can be too

[languid kayak]

As far as subcategories goes, the main page is where I put some effort (mirrors what's in Tiles page)

[proud cobalt]

Will look at updating this too if we make some more of these #pzwiki_editing message

[languid kayak]

Also, why Electroics are under Decoration? I don't get it?

[proud cobalt]

Only the decoration tiles were meant to be in it, non functional electronics

Arcade machines etc

[languid kayak]

And finally, I guess Plumbing and Water sources should be merged into one?

[proud cobalt]

I agree, i didnt really notice plumbing existed

Only about 100 pages left to categorize before ill do the name changes, just taking a break after doing 650 of them and league international is on

[languid kayak]

Unless they will be made functional 😄 Though apparently they kinda serve purpose, they emit sounds when connected to power grid, though not sure if it attracts zombies or drains any geneator power. I think they don't emit light (yet)

[languid kayak]

I'd actually let go of plubming in favor of water sources? Though not sure, we have https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Plumbing page that'd have to be renamed too (over a redirect, as it hosts quite important info about how plubing works)

[proud cobalt]

Not sure it has to be renamed just category changed 🤔

[languid kayak]

So "Tiles > Water sources" as header/category and "Plubing" as page name?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah

[languid kayak]

Speaking of, should be Refrigerators instead of Fridges, I guess https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Appliances#Refrigerators

or we can change to Fridges in there?

[proud cobalt]

Refrigerators is a bit more professional, but called fridge in Tdefs

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

[proud cobalt]

Thoughts on dulling these colours a little?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Fixing_condition
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Fixing_condition&oldid=346049
@digital helm Your template originally

[languid kayak]

Fridge is more informal, though by the time game setting takes place, it'd be well-known (apparently it was 20th centuary). Also there seems to be no preference between US/UK spelling

[proud cobalt]

More readable in light mode imo

[digital helm]

yes, that's good. I was thinking similar recently, just didn't get around to it

[proud cobalt]

Tiles are called fridges, and tdefs are fridge. I guess we should go with fridge then

[languid kayak]

Quick google search revealed some folks refer to "fridges" as something that doesn't have freezer (we have such tile in games), though I don't think that's the case 😄

[proud cobalt]

I've never heard that before 🤔

[languid kayak]

ngram for those curious https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fridge%2Crefrigerator&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3

[proud cobalt]

Pretty much perfect timing for fridge to become more common

I want to know what caused the drop from 40s-70s

Because theres no jump in fridge

With cooler too
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=fridge%2Crefrigerator%2CCooler&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&case_insensitive=on&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=2

[languid kayak]

cooler may be refering to adjective though I guess

as in being cooler

[languid kayak]

I updated the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories/Category_tree with the traversable changes and with some of the "categories" from main page and Tiles, the Comfort and Storage (Containers) not yet added (I just left the mark as a comment for later).

Some names differ (Communication vs Communications) and not sure about baths and showers (showers don't hold water and are not pickable currently, not sure if it ever changes and it seems there's just one bath type now).

All names avoid tiles when possible, but some names might change (like the Vegetables), so feel free to comment.

I have to go now, so hopefully I'll get back to it later 👌

[lucid junco]

So, these walls are called "signs"

They cant be picked up

Wat

Why tf does this cabin in the abandoned village has ammo in it

[digital helm]

hunting cabin I guess

[lucid junco]

Each time I checked it - there were almost no loot there

[robust latch]

Because its a hunting ground&camp and not a village

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Abandoned_settlement

You're calling this "hunting ground& camp"?

[robust latch]

It is just that

[lucid junco]

I aint seeing a church in a hunting camp

Nor a pigsty

And apart from this hunting shack, there are no other hunting related loot in here

Nor is there any loot in general tbh

Apart from one crate that spawns living room items

[robust latch]

Hunting Ground, Camping Ground, even Abandoned Settlement is fine

Never seen villagers sharing a public toilet

[lucid junco]

Yeah, sucks that it isn't defined anywhere

[languid kayak]

We had this discussion before? Maybe you missed it. It's a hunting cabin, that's why I wasn't so eager to call it "village" 🙂

[digital helm]

Interested in thoughts on this https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Vaileasys/Sandbox&useskin=citizen
It's for the ingredients on evolved recipe pages since there can be a lot https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soup#Ingredients
On touchscreen it's a press, otherwise it's a hover

[proud cobalt]

This is really nice, But some way to indicate its hover/clickable is needed i think

[digital helm]

I was thinking a note at the top. Do you think that'd be enough?

[proud cobalt]

This could be really nice across the whole site tbh. But good to start with one section

[proud cobalt]

Yeah if not too explicit even

[digital helm]

I had a related discussion with Faal about doing this https://starcitizen.tools/LeMarque_Pants_Dark_Red#Model for the weird clothing variants we have. Or especially in b42 with all the new weapon/tool variants we'll likely have

[proud cobalt]

Which part exactly 🤔

Unless im missing something i dont think their implementation is better than ours

[digital helm]

the images. As we currently have no good way of navigating between different variants
E.g. currently https://pzwiki.net/wiki/T-shirt is only one variant. The solution to show all the variants, is going to the items page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing#T-shirts
I'd expect this to only be a 'related' items. So instead of listing EVERY t-shirt, it'd be, e.g. on the Military Desert Camo T-shirt, it'd be the other miltiary t-shirts

[lucid junco]

I remember our discussion about a settlement

[proud cobalt]

Its looks like its just a gallery with links and using the page preview extension like they have on Wikipedia. Something we could definitely do even without the extension

[proud cobalt]

But on that page hover over the dimensions and see how they have a little popup with unit conversion. I just tested and that works on mobile, how possible is that?

That would solve all the tooltip issues we have even with transcripts

[digital helm]

That'd be possible. I was thinking the same with experimenting with the ingredients

[digital helm]

We'd change the implementation. Just seemed like a good solution for b42

[proud cobalt]

Its hard to inspect it because it dissapears when you move the mouse lmao. They call it class tippy-popper

[proud cobalt]

So its like a see also but using images, i like it

Theres going to be so many items...

[digital helm]

They seem to be using js for it, but should be do-able without. Just may be a bit more annoying to implement

[proud cobalt]

Text is easy, keep the underline. Obvious to the user without needing a "Click here" label

[digital helm]

source btw https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/04/dya-like-them-grapplez/ lots more there

[digital helm]

yeah, theirs isn't very obvious. Took more a minute to realise what you were referring to 😄

[proud cobalt]

I only happened to stumble upon it, their page sources confuse me. Its all templates

https://starcitizen.tools/index.php?title=LeMarque_Pants_Dark_Red&action=edit

But its also all lua

[digital helm]

I actually got the ingredients idea from their mboxes https://starcitizen.tools/Template:Stub they're hover instead of click

[proud cobalt]

I was just looking at their mboxes lol

Theres no indication it expands though, which im not a fan of

[digital helm]

I agree

[proud cobalt]

I wonder how generic/specific the template should be? Should we have multiple templates where in this case the moodles shown in the drop down are decided in template, which would mean a new template for each use case. Or should they be done in article with the user specifying the icons to use

I know youre just testing currently, but food for thought

[digital helm]

This is using a template. I think this implementation is fine. The only thing I'd consider changing is the parent div, should that be a template too?

<div style="display:block;">
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=Acorn.png|item=Acorn|hunger=-10}}
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=Avocado.png|item=Avocado|hunger=-15}}
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=Baguette.png|item=Baguette|hunger=-5}}
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=BeerBottle.png|item=Beer Bottle|hunger=-9}}
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=BeerCan.png|item=Beer Can|hunger=-7}}
{{User:Vaileasys/Sandbox|image=BellPepper.png|item=Bell Pepper|hunger=-7}}
</div>

We could consider the contents to be a separate template though

*dropdown

I guess that'd make it usable elsewhere too

[serene sage]

if possible, why not just have an indicator arrow like the ones on our current mboxes? Arrows are basically synonymous with collapsible sections anyway, so they probably should be enough of an indication that the box is expandable

[digital helm]

I thought this too, that the arrow would be enough, but it came up as an issue previously. Which is why navboxes have hide/show on them 😄

[proud cobalt]

If possible it may be the way to go, but it means hundreds of little arrows on pages like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Recipe_ingredients#Rice_&_pasta_ingredients

[serene sage]

really? weird

[proud cobalt]

Also speaking of can i swap the colours to the same as the ones from last night @digital helm

[proud cobalt]

I think arrows are plenty explicit

Light and dark mode old vs new

[digital helm]

@languid kayak @naive imp would you be happy to remove the hide/show from the navboxes? I think you 2 were involved in the previous discussion. It also gets messed up on mobile. We can always change the arrow to a different icon if that's more explicit, like a plus/minus or up/down arrow

[digital helm]

the red and green? yeah, go ahead

the header and infobox theme would need to be done css side

[digital helm]

much better 👌

[naive imp]

If we're gonna remove it the triangle 100 percent needs to become something far more obvious. I think the triangle should be changed on mboxes and all other collapsible elements as well because there's literally no indication that it expands the notice

[digital helm]

example of plus/minus and up/down arrow

[swift warren]

It's widely used on Chinese oni wiki, where I found the idea on. So I guess It's not that bad.

[digital helm]

the plus/minus would be the easiest implementation. simple 1:1 replacement

[swift warren]

oh the oni wiki uses + symbol. I missed it.

[naive imp]

I think a drop down menu arrow is perfect

[proud cobalt]

If we have to change it, i vote up and down arrow

https://m1.material.io/components/expansion-panels.html#expansion-panels-usage

[naive imp]

Makes it immediately obvious that it can be expanded bc everyone knows what those arrows mean

[proud cobalt]

I think our arrow indicates up and down enough but maybe im wrong

[digital helm]

it's a simple enough change, if it reduces any confusion

[proud cobalt]

Material design is google btw*

[swift warren]

I thought of up/down arrow on that time. Since it is on the right top corner of the element, I guess the right-top arrow would fit better. So I used it.

[naive imp]

I think it's best to change it if we're removing the show hide

[proud cobalt]

We should also be able to keep 180 rotation with a vertical arrow

[naive imp]

Even if we decide not to the triangle is too unconventional (which is saying something for me lol) that it causes confusion

[naive imp]

Oh yeah I didn't even think of that

[digital helm]

We'll look at changing it sometime soon™ then

[naive imp]

Perfect. Gonna sleep now as it's 30 past midnight over here in freedom land

🦅

[proud cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-gif-14280685

[digital helm]

added to tasks https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks#Admin_tasks

[proud cobalt]

Proof of concept for toggleboxes: @digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:ToggleBox

  <div>{{#if:{{{title|}}}|{{{title}}}}}</div>
  <div class="mw-collapsible {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{collapsed|true}}}}}|true|mw-collapsed|}}" id="mw-customcollapsible-togglebox-{{{id|}}}">
{{{content|}}}
  </div>
  <div class="toggle large mw-customtoggle-togglebox-{{{id|}}}" title="{{int:show}}/{{int:hide}}"></div>
</div></includeonly>```

Common.css
```div.toggle::after {
    content: "⏶";
    position: absolute;
    top: 0.1em;
    right: 0.4em;
    font-size: 2em;
    font-weight: bold;
    transition: transform 0.3s cubic-bezier(0.65, 0.05, 0.36, 1);
}

div.toggle.small::after {
    font-size: 1.1em;
}

div.toggle.large::after {
    top: -0.15em;
    right: 0.5em;
}

div.mw-collapsed + div.toggle::after {
    transform: rotate(-180deg);
}```

[digital helm]

Looks good. I hadn't considered the arrow icon, that'll be much quicker to implement. I'm happy to add it now, except with these changes from the current. No changes needed to templates, etc.

div.toggle::after {
    content: "⏶";
    font-size: 1.4em;
    transition: transform 0.3s linear
}
div.mw-collapsed + div.toggle::after {
    transform: rotate(180deg)
}

actually, didn't realise the hide/show was the only template change you made 👌

your css changes seems to break other templates though, such as mbox and navbox

[proud cobalt]

Hmm interesting, you could try just changing the arrow icon and see if that breaks it? i just thought it was a bit small

And then changing the size had to change its position

[digital helm]

yeah, size is a bit small, but it's ok for now? #pzwiki_editing message These changes were minimal and didn't break anything

[lucid junco]

Thinking about it, maybe we should rename it to "Abandoned cabins site" or something like that

159/423

[digital helm]

getting there

[digital helm]

Template for this created https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Item_list
It has the ingredient parameters built into it, but with the option to expand it by using other templates in it. @proud cobalt
Basic usage

{{Item list|parent|
{{Item list|image=Acorn.png|item=Acorn|link=true}} <!-- no dropdown ->
{{Item list|image=Acorn.png|item=Acorn|some text}} <!-- custom dropdown -->
{{Item list|image=HerbBasil.png|item=Basil|hunger=-1|unhappy=-2|bored=-2}} <!-- using ingredient dropdown -->
<!-- other items go here -->
}}

[proud cobalt]

Awesome ill play around with it

[digital helm]

Trial in an article https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soup#Ingredients

[lucid junco]

😄

Turned out that I was that man

[lucid junco]

Does anyone know where does this logo belong to?

It isnt https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Offices , since this one is black while the one on the building is white

Nvm, found it

[proud cobalt]

This looks really good.

Could it handle larger images like a gallery?

[digital helm]

nah, the size is hardcoded. This was so you'd get a consistant box size

I could add other sizes though, or the option to change it manually

[lucid junco]

There are two Offices

[digital helm]

definitely well deserved. The size of the task scared the rest of us off

[lucid junco]

How do we separate them?

They are both in Central L

[digital helm]

What you've done is a good solution. I'd also turn the Offices page into a disambig page. Let me know if you need help with that. It'd be using {{Disambiguation}} and {{About}} . Example https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hunting_Vest_(disambiguation)

[lucid junco]

Like named one Offices(South)?

That was wrong

It is nowhere near South L

[proud cobalt]

Hmm maybe wait until we have a use case for it

[digital helm]

oh... I'm not sure how they're handled these days. Surely there's others in a similar situation. @naive imp

[proud cobalt]

Have you looked at how it would work in infoboxes yet or should i look into it?

[digital helm]

I haven't. But it'd be similar. Using :hover with a div

My concern is the edge of the screen, I don't think it'd adjust its position automatically

[lucid junco]

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12778x1706
https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12482x1970
Links for "Offices"

To differentiate which is which

[digital helm]

street names would've been nice 😄

[lucid junco]

It would be, yeah

The western one is close enough to the LSU to call it Offices LSU

If not, then "Offices Western Central Louisville"

[languid kayak]

Though back to the drawing board, which is something I mentioned, the Star Citizen wiki has one page for each color version 😛 Though it could be an alternative to see alsos

or about

[languid kayak]

btw; you sure it's village? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_Village It has a school, a church, restaurant and shop, which would probably make it a small town I guess? Also, I'd call it burnt down I guess? (plus sentence case)

[lucid junco]

No, I wasn't sure with this one at all

And Im also not sure about whether its a school, library, townhall or kindergarten

Too small for a school

[languid kayak]

Yeah, we compromised but it was just one person who used Wikipedia and wanted PZwiki to be almost 1 to 1 copy (which we aren't), so it might be worth considering whether it's needed, same as VTE template.

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I'm fine 😛

[languid kayak]

There's empty drop shadow in the first list, mind you

[lucid junco]

Im fine with calling it Burned down town or something similar, it isn't that big of a deal

[digital helm]

do you think it should be removed? I figured it might help with highlighting the selected one. Here it is without https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Item_list&useskin=vector-22

(noticed an issue with that skin here)

[languid kayak]

I'd say school, kindergarten wouldn't have books and library and townhall wouldn't have a playground

[languid kayak]

nah, shadow's good, but the one when there's nothing is confusing 🤔

[lucid junco]

Aight, Ill change the page and move it when Im back home

[digital helm]

no problem. I'll remove it

[languid kayak]

This one to clarify 😛

[lucid junco]

Should we keep it "Ruined" or change it to "burned down" or just "Burned"

[digital helm]

I'd consider even "Destroyed". My assumption is that it was destroyed by the military as it was a border town

[lucid junco]

Yea, maybe

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt I guess it's no longer under construction? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Archive

Except maybe changing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Archived_articles to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Archived_pages especially as it includes images? I remember briefly mentioning that before 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Yeah lets do that

Just change cat and remove WIP pls

[languid kayak]

btw, now that all the pages are technically bumped to 41.78.16, what do we do with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version, especially the non-English one?

Only the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version itself and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Unknown_version have non-English counterparts, while the Version 41 and Version 41.78.16 are English-only. Should these be kept? Removed?

Also, are we keeping it as it is, or making some naming changes to it? We had discussion to potentially renaming it, but in the end we kept it as is.

Also, in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance (which itself needs more updates to include more pages, e.g., the ones I have listed and am eyeing in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn) it'll permanently be stuck at "2", with no option to go to 0 as other categories can, potentially confusing people there's still work to do with that.

Pinging @digital helm for this, as you've been mostly involved with this category. 🙂

[digital helm]

I think remove the non-English ones (so long as they're unused) since they don't use any version tracking anymore. Version and Version 41 should be good to stay. It'll make keeping things organised easier when b42 and other versions come out.

currently it probably looks a bit silly, as there's 3 categories each with only 1 in them, but we've had plenty of time since any new builds, so lots of time to catch up

[languid kayak]

About the non-English, I guess I'll do that that, as they're only for English ones.

As far as actual tracking, I'm thinking, is there a way to count only pages that aren't specifically the latest version? Would be easier to keep the track of outdated pages easier.

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Is the laundromat(green) affiliated with the Gas N More?

[naive imp]

It can be assumed so if it is attached and has no discernable sign differtiating jt

[lucid junco]

Thought so

[lucid junco]

Also, can you help with "Offices"?

[digital helm]

should be doable. I'll look into it

[naive imp]

I will in my lunch break. At work rn

[lucid junco]

Aight

[digital helm]

This was actually really simple. Watch this slowly tick down https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_41.78.16

[lucid junco]

@naive imp @languid kayak Do you think its a good idea to add in page for grocery stores, like the one for Laundromat?

[naive imp]

That's what I was planning to do, with a format similar to the self storage page listing individual chains.

Feel free to do that, just follow the formatting on the self storage page

[languid kayak]

Added that to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Incontileve btw, I think it's just not in Easter eggs page yet

[lucid junco]

There is a small issue, there are "Corner stores" "Grocery stores" and "Convenience stores"

[tulip kiln]

Listed on the page uunder the community tab

[languid kayak]

now the next step, any way to actually count pages in outdated categories in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance or are we changing it to count pages that are in 41.78.16 when first build 42 arrives?

[lucid junco]

I thought about putting them into one page, but just wanted to ask before doing so

[naive imp]

Corner stores are basically convenience stores.

Convenience and grocery stores have different loot tables so they should be separated

[languid kayak]

neat 😄

[languid kayak]

corner store is a roomdef?

[lucid junco]

Yes

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Thumbs_of_green.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Location_restaurant_generic_01_46.png

These two are scheduled for deletion, but I guess we're keeping them as tiles?

[naive imp]

Take a look at their loot tables and if they're similar to convenience stores I say include rhem

[digital helm]

I'd instead suggest adding the outdated category to the page version template, for anything older than the current stable. Then we can leave Site maintenance as is

[naive imp]

I would do that myself but I'm too busy atm

[languid kayak]

as is meaning leaving version stuck at at least 2 pernamently or removing it from the list? I imagine the end goal is to keep all the pages in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Site_maintenance at exactly 0 🤔 (at least that's the case with other categories)?

[lucid junco]

Delete them

Ill either way repost them with proper transparency for tiles

[lucid junco]

Where exactly?

Is it in the code?

Oh, and a General Store

[digital helm]

I just added the all u can eat tile to the gallery of the buffet page this week. Not sure why it was removed. It's unique to that store, and not necessary to have its own page imo https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Buffet&type=revision&diff=347333&oldid=322915 @naive imp

[lucid junco]

These are 4(6) store related roomdefs:
General store
Grocery
Corner Store
Convenience store
Zippeestore
Gigamart

[digital helm]

outdated articles would end up being 0 so long as everything is at the current version, and the outdated mbox isn't used https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Outdated_articles

[lucid junco]

Many supermarkets have "Grocery" roomdef

Apart from gigamart

[languid kayak]

Good you left the "M" instead of "N" 😄

[languid kayak]

Probably yeah, seems they aren't movable (at least I can't find them being added by Calvy), so it'll take us time to add those tiles, though would probably feel better to remove them after the better replacements are added I guess 😄

[naive imp]

I thought it was redundant, and also I think the quality is pretty bad. Could use some tlc.

[naive imp]

If it seems like a supermarket I'd leave it out for their own page

[naive imp]

ZippeStore can be considered a convenience store for purposes of the page, loot is practically identical

[lucid junco]

I knew that already

Its the others (apart from gigamart) that rase some questions

[digital helm]

I saw it and couldn't bring myself to delete it, so reused it. That's the quality of the tile in-game. You're probably right about it being redundant though.
@proud cobalt @languid kayak what are your thoughts on this type of tile? Re https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Location_restaurant_generic_01_46.png it's not movable and is only found on windows at buffets. Best to delete?

[naive imp]

Yeah if you think it's a supermarket I'd say just leave it for now and we'll have a supermarkets page later on, or maybe we'll include them at a later date if we decide against that

[lucid junco]

Then what about General stores?

[naive imp]

Those go in a seperate page. Their loot is wildly different from grocery stores

[lucid junco]

So:

1. Grocery store
2. Convenience store, Corner store (Zippie)
3. General store
4. Supermarkets

[digital helm]

Here's another use for it https://pzwiki.net/wiki/School_Bag#Usage i.e. content probability for bags

[naive imp]

Yup. All in seperate pages with those as the title, using self storage page formatting, at least that's how I envision it. Lmk any suggestions 🙂

[lucid junco]

"Unaffiliated" or "Unnamed"?

[naive imp]

It doesn't really matter, but I think unaffiliated fits better because they're not in chains. At the end of the day though either is fine it'd not a big deal

[lucid junco]

Aight, will start with Corner stores after finishing up with another set of logos

Should I call it Convenience/Corner Stores or just Convenience Stores?

[proud cobalt]

Hmm it doesnt seem that valuable to keep

[proud cobalt]

I say this in the context of it having its own page. I dont have anything against it being in a gallery

[proud cobalt]

Would be nicer than that long list

[languid kayak]

I did cover some non-movable ones in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles though never got to signs, could be put there, though it probably won't ever be movable as it's a painted over (and, unless something changed, floats over broken windows lol)

[digital helm]

if we keep it, maybe it should be on the window page? or even combine the textures, showing it painted on a window

[serene sage]

I've uploaded a few images of various building stories and I'm finding that the article is getting really difficult to read: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor_stories

Would having all relevant images all compiled at the bottom of each section be preferable to having each image beside its respective building story? Each image is pretty large

Also we might want to consider reformatting the entire article, if not outright splitting it up into multiple separate ones, because it's an absolute eyesore right now

[naive imp]

I say just convenience stores

[lucid junco]

So, "Convenience stores, also known as Corner stores"?

[lucid junco]

It is the unwanted child of ours😅

[naive imp]

Nah, I see no reason to distinguish between the two. They serve Identical purposes and have very similar loot

Overthinking again lol

Remember keep it simple 😀

[lucid junco]

Almost everyone here had contributed to it, but no one wants to finish it

[naive imp]

Agreed Bout splitting. I'll add a suggestion

[digital helm]

Yep, 100% agree. I was going to look at splitting it #pzwiki_editing message and do a mockup today, but got side-tracked 😩 I only got as far as getting some screenshots

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I noticed the image, gallery at the bottom works, though OTOH the image being large (at worst they can be scaled) doesn't hurt; wouldn't it be better to have them in line so it's near the corresponding story? At worst something building multi location template can be made in pages like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hit_Vids!

[lucid junco]

[digital helm]

Sorry, I missed this.

distro table is looking better now. The use of clear should be good to remove now, since the fixes to the tables. Percentages are great imo. I don't think including values for lucky/unlucky is necessary, as probability wouldn't change, I think it's just the number of rolls that increases.

The toggle box is my biggest concern currently. Multiple is a bit of an eye sore, but I have no good solution. Unless we could incorporate the new item list somehow https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Item_list

Zombie attached items and survivor stories will need to be added manually. This is all stored in java afaik. Again, maybe item list template to be more presentable?

[lucid junco]

Anyway, 185/423

Now its time for Convenience store

@naive imp Is this necessary?

Laundromat looks better without it imo

[naive imp]

For now yeah, they've been a point of contention for a while though, what do you think @languid kayak @digital helm

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak

Ews Ow Etwork

[digital helm]

Are there many pages like it? As in a generic business/location page. Seems similar to something like a "restaurant" page. For tiles we recently decided to keep the generic articles so they can be in more detail about the overall functionality. But the only thing really interesting about locations/businesses, is the lore, loot and safehouse potential. The safehouse potential and lore isn't relevant here, so the main thing we're looking at is the loot. But I'm indifferent.

[languid kayak]

Well, pages are fine, but I guess infobox isn't needed?

I recently removed the oens from the businesses that don't have a location, we briefly talked about them with Vail today

[naive imp]

It was more about the infobox and it being sparse with content

[languid kayak]

Don't Dead, Open Inside

[digital helm]

ah, yeah unneeded

[naive imp]

Cool. @lucid junco feel free to remove

[languid kayak]

I link them at the main page too

[naive imp]

There also pretty likely to come up in a search engine search jf created. Usually ppl don't search for a specific store

And more readers is good, could mean more editors too

[languid kayak]

I still have to make more generic pages for items such as https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Firearms or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Weapon_parts for more things such as Jewelry

Those the pages still are due to revamp

[lucid junco]

Fuckin hell

I cant create a page due to redirect

[digital helm]

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Convenience_store&redirect=no

[lucid junco]

Not from an searchbox, link or crealing a link within another page

So I just remove redirect?

[digital helm]

Have to use the url bar or press the "redirected from"

[digital helm]

yeah

[lucid junco]

Aight, thanks

[serene sage]

yeah I think we should definitely split the article up and keep the current one as a more general article that leads into them. It’s a bit of a stretch to refer to bread on a table as the same thing as the cops making a last stand (even if the game considers them the same)

[serene sage]

I’m planning to get rid of the “unwanted child” later today once I’m actually back on my PC, it’s been bugging me since forever

that sounded wrong whoops

[lucid junco]

nooo, my child

[languid kayak]

Relevant video from Nurse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8BqOdqyVKM

[digital helm]

I agree. I think the descriptions you've given are good for that page, but each other page will need to go into more detail. The use of headings will need to be changed too. Maybe just dot points or definition lists ;title:text

[lucid junco]

@naive imp I feel like its a bit too short

[naive imp]

Use a table to list all the chains like we have with liquor store and self storage

[serene sage]

sorry for being that guy but I think “over the counter drug” should be plural like the rest of the sentence

[lucid junco]

I know, Im specifically talking about everything but the list

[naive imp]

Eh, could always expand on it later

If you don't I will lol

[lucid junco]

How dare you share your opinion about my article?!

Ill start using caps and blocking your messages!/s

[serene sage]

How dare you talk back to the grammar police?!? You’ve already broken the law, don’t give us more incriminating evidence so we can put you in prison!! /s

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Is food market a grocery store or a supermarket chain?

[naive imp]

Grocery store, that one big ass one is an outlier

You could probably include it in both like Nourish Food Mart

[lucid junco]

But it has a butcher and a bakery in some of them

Like a supermarket of sorts

[serene sage]

Anyway is there anything else to do related to the locations and maps project? Or are we just waiting for B42 when they drop the new towns into the game?

[lucid junco]

Adding in this summer(?) camp

Adding back removed locations from towns(eg Kate&Bob house, fenced community, secure houses ect), Ive personally butchered them while standardizing businesses since they were for some reason merged together.

Many, and I mean Tons of businneses in Louisville lack proper description

And galleries

[serene sage]

ok so there’s still stuff to do

cool cool

I’ll see what my PZ photography skills can contribute later

[lucid junco]

And double checking every business chain😅

Mainly Seahorse and Zippee

@languid kayak

Its library in the roomdef

[serene sage]

what are we checking for anyway?

[lucid junco]

Locations

While doing Central L businesses part, I found out that many seahorse buildings were left out for some reason

And Im a bit busy(lazy) to add them myself

Oh, and creating General store, Grocery store and Supermarket pages

[lucid junco]

@naive imp Is this an Unnamed Laundromat or is it a part of ZIppee

It shares entrance and building, doesn't have a definite name

I know that its like the Gas N More one, but still would like to hear your opinion

[naive imp]

I'd probably keep it with zippee to avoid bloat

[lucid junco]

Too late for that

14 unnamed laundromats

I predict the same with convenience stores, grocery stores, general stores and even supermarket

I personally didn't expect so many supermarkets being unnamed, but there is only one actual, 100% supermarket chain - Gigamart

Nourish and Food markets are both groceries and supermarkets(of sorts)

And that's about it

Surprising that something that is actually one of the biggest and important buildings to be nameless

But oh well

[lucid junco]

Done

Probably😅

I cant believe that there are only 6 conv stores

[serene sage]

damn I didn’t know there were that many Zippee markets

[lucid junco]

Just wait till you see how many Seahorse cafes are out there

and 80% of them are in Louisville

Thats the list that ive come up with

All of them are either corner stores or conv stores

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed that. I was thinking the library was part of a school, but I started having second thoughts too that's why I left it untouched 🤔

seems the schools (at least the Muldraugh ones) use classroom tiledef, so it might indeed not be a school

Checked LV, Riverside and others, all use classroom or classroom2 so it might indeed not be a school

There are libraries in schools though https://map.projectzomboid.com/#6440x5449x5682

[naive imp]

How would that not be a school if there's literally classrooms lockers and a cafeteria

I don't understand

[languid kayak]

The burnt one? We're talking about building here: https://map.projectzomboid.com/#13696x4052x8182

We're not sure if it's a school or a library or god-knows-what 😄

Might indeed be a library (or a town hall), seeing as the playground is separated by a fence

I initially assumed it's a part of ther building and it has to be a school (or kindergarten), which might not be a case indeed

[serene sage]

anyone want to check over my redesign for the main survivor stories article before I make it official? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_test_mid

Basically instead of this article trying to list every single story possible, it only provides an overview of the four types of survivor stories and lists a few of the most notable ones, with a link to an article that goes over stories of that particular type in more detail

[digital helm]

It looks great. Still considering whether to have a separate page for each event though. I agree that listing them on that page will still create too much bloat

[serene sage]

I mean if we keep everything centralized there's going to be bloat no matter what

I'll try to see if I can come up with something that lists everything without being too bloated

[serene sage]

I'm finding that having the images beside each description won't work because the image ends up being larger than the corresponding text blob and everything ends up not being aligned: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_bloated_mid

The only other options I've come up is either putting all the images in a gallery under their corresponding header or we put them in a table similar to how locations of businesses are listed on the wiki

or y'know, just split the article 🙃

[digital helm]

That's been a common problem. Really depends on the screen size, as it looks great on mobile. The solution is using {{clear}} before the new section.

[digital helm]

The images look really good next to the text imo. The only concern with using clear is it can result in empty space, but you have to make compromises somewhere.

[serene sage]

sure, I'll try using clear and see how that'll go

it doesn't actually look half bad actually

it's just a lot of vertical/blank space

[serene sage]

alright I filled in all the images that I've uploaded and paired them with their corresponding description

let me know if it works because I don't want to start screenshotting the other stories until we have a format that we like

[digital helm]

It's looking a lot like the existing survivor stories page now.
I liked how you had it before https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_bloated_mid&oldid=361767
Having 1 image per story group as a preview. We could consider doing this on the group page instead, e.g. "building stories". But I still think a separate page for the more interesting pages, i.e. not table stories.

[serene sage]

yeah that was what I was thinking of originally

well it didn’t hurt to try

I’ll experiment with it more tomorrow

[serene sage]

it looks like I’m going to go back to working on the unbloated version I had: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_test_mid

since we’re no longer working with a bloated design it doesn’t make sense to keep using the version with “bloated” in its name

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Did you want all angles of tiles?

[digital helm]

I'll hopefully put together a mock-up of the dedicated page today

[serene sage]

nice

[digital helm]

Btw if you don't want any user page anymore, just add {{Deletion}}

[serene sage]

alright I’ll keep that in mind

still gonna keep it though for now in case I have a big brain moment and figure out how to make it work

[digital helm]

A bit unnecessary imo. But may be a 'nice to have' for the infobox

[lucid junco]

@naive imp @languid kayak Should we count overall number of locations within one business, or only those that are appropriate for the page?

[proud cobalt]

I think Faal did want them but i think its a bit overboard

[lucid junco]

Milk n more has 5 stores in general, but only one is a convenience store

[lucid junco]

So I was thinking about putting it in conv store page with 1, and on a grocery page with 4

[languid kayak]

Looks good, I just did some minor changes to it

[languid kayak]

I think template like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Building_multi_location would get the work done, if listing them as such is out of question

[languid kayak]

This one's to list all the stories in one page? No point IMO, if they are listed on a dedicated pages

[languid kayak]

I'd actually go away with notable story ones; that's what the main pages are for

[languid kayak]

I thought of that, but it's like low low priority. Like the rotating 3D models

I wouldn't put much effort into it TBH

[languid kayak]

Don't business have its own page though? But yeah, there'd be some crossover on pages listing the franchise and a shop type.

[digital helm]

Better off using a table than a template for something like that imo.
That one isn't even necessary, it's just a different way of writing a table

[lucid junco]

Im mainly referring to this change by Thinkdock

Ive written 1 for milk n more (since only 1 store has roomdef conv store and looks like conv store) and 2 for Martin's (since third is a gas station, both by look and roomdef)

That may look too tedious and detailed, but it would make more sense for something like a supermarket

Nourish foodmart and Food markets are both grocery stores and a supermarkets, but it doesn't make sense to write the overall amount of locations into both grocery page and supermarket page

That's why Id count and write the amount of supermarkets and grocery stores separately

[languid kayak]

yeah, not a template for one page (or a few pages actually) indeed 😄

We kinda have a similar issue with pros-cons, it's a really simple template that basically just creates a table.

[languid kayak]

what you wrote makes sense for me, though I didn't check it; pinging @naive imp for that

Although I did check all the milk n more and all are grocery roomdef… you mean the layout is different?

[lucid junco]

Check the Louisville one

The boxy looking

[languid kayak]

But yeah, just one Martin is hosting a store indeed, the other being gas station and the third just a laundry

(for those wondering it's this change btw https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Convenience_store&type=revision&diff=361687&oldid=361679)

[languid kayak]

boxy? Can you link it :P?

All are in LV though https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Milk_N_More#Locations

[lucid junco]

One is in Riverside

[lucid junco]

Wiki has wrong coords

Im referring to this one, near TIS construction

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense

[lucid junco]

Its a convenience store

And lack grocery display to prove it even more

[languid kayak]

found it https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12665x2137

[lucid junco]

Yeah, sorry for not giving the link directly

[languid kayak]

unrelated, in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Milk_N_More I'm thinking whether we should put alt text for SEO or when image is not loaded/can't be seen, the "drinks", "food" and "lottery" of the sign is nowhere in the page 😛

[languid kayak]

np, luckily you had coord on the side 😄

[lucid junco]

So yeah, 1 Milk n More conv store

[lucid junco]

Two conv stores, one gas station

[languid kayak]

right, my bad

but yeah, I guess your way was the right one, not all locations of a franchise are of same type, kinda reminds me the situation with Gigamart HQ and Gas 2 Go (or was it Fossoil?) rafinery

[lucid junco]

Both refineries

[languid kayak]

Speaking of Fossoil, the stdium is named after them IIRC, not sure if it's mentioned in the fossoil page?

[lucid junco]

Not sure either

[languid kayak]

yeah, it is 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fossoil

just checked

[lucid junco]

How can I revert changes?

Oh, forgot to log in

How do I

Aight, I think I'll better be doing it proper when Im back home

[languid kayak]

I can do that, but what about Unaffiliated ones?

I guess there are four? And yeah, now to think of, without coordinates it's not so obvious lol

[lucid junco]

4, 3 in Central LV, 1 in WP

[lucid junco]

How bout doing it like Ive done with Gas stations?

[lucid junco]

1. https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12916x1910x34154
2. https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12303x1247x30314

3. https://map.projectzomboid.com/#12615x1871x20056

[lucid junco]

Something like this

Chains
Chains
Chains

Maybe being more descriptive, instead of rewording "We don't know its name"

[proud cobalt]

Does tilezed just not work when unpacking floors or vegetation? Is this a known thing? its driving me mad

[digital helm]

do you mean the floors and vegetation prefix? Because that seems to be working fine for me

[proud cobalt]

Do you have Vegetation_ornamental_01_25

[digital helm]

here's all my vegetation

seems there's a lot missing 🤔

can get it directly from the spritesheet

[proud cobalt]

Yeah many many of the floors_ are missing

[digital helm]

yeah, you're right. I've only got the burnt and some sand

@proud cobalt extracted from Tiles2x.floor.pack

all the flooring is in there too

[proud cobalt]

Cheers ill try that

[robust latch]

Instead of saying unknown location or possible x location, creating a whole paragraph about "we couldnt figure this out, its impossible to detect" is not healthy for both readers and editors (mainly translators). Mainly because maybe it is somehow possible to associate that location that we have not yet discovered. Also the information feels too extra.

[lucid junco]

Maybe write a small description?

[robust latch]

For every single businesses, building that doesnt have full evidence of belonging to a chain?

[lucid junco]

Yep

Something like this

[robust latch]

Thats better imo

[lucid junco]

These 4 are currently used

Im personally in favor of ether listing each unnamed business individually or putting them into separate list like I did

@languid kayak @naive imp What do you think?

(Its more of a question for all of you here😄)

[digital helm]

I like how you've done it here. With the changes suggested by Ksilem.

The descriptions add a lot

[lucid junco]

It feels like a more of a middleground between just linking it and creating a page about it

[digital helm]

Example of bag content probability using Template:Item_list

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak

THE Hardy Har Bar was correct

[digital helm]

I even read it as delivery

@serene sage @robust latch (and anyone else interested) here's an example survivor story dedicated page. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hockey_Psycho_(friday_13th!)

[serene sage]

looks pretty great

how'd you find the info that the corpses were 5 to 20 days old?

[digital helm]

It's in the java files. zombie > randomizedWorld > randomizedDeadSurvivor > RDSHockeyPsycho.class

IsoDeadBody var7 = createRandomDeadBody(this.getRandomRoom(var1, 2), Rand.Next(5, 20));
at least that's what I believe that argument is for

I have all the info already for the DeadSurvivor ones so don't waste your time trying to get them too 😄 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

outfits to go with it are here #pzwiki_editing message (also pinned)

[robust latch]

Looks nice and concise.

Which reminded me Calvy's suggestion of dividing project into subdivisons, i think it'd be nice to have someone take charge of Survivor Stories explicitly. It looks like this is going to be a whole new section.

Especially seeing as many people have interest in Survivor Stories lately

[digital helm]

@proud cobalt was this ready to rollout? I'm not sure where it is 🤔

[proud cobalt]

I moved it into the B42 project

[digital helm]

wow... thanks! Shows how frequently I look there

[proud cobalt]

Lol not much to do in there right now

[digital helm]

@robust latch here it is if you want to use it, it's just a table. I'm not sure about the other's but I'm happy to just chip away at survivor stories as is. But happy to split off into a subproject. Let me know if you need any help, and I can do so tomorrow

{| class="wikitable theme-red"
! colspan="4" | Subprojects
|-
! Status
! Task
! Description
! Sub-project leader
|-
| 🔵
| [[Animal]]s
| Update existing, and create new articles relating to [[Animals]], hunting, fishing raising livestock, and processing their products.<br>Deploy new infobox and navbox for animals.
| -
|-
|}```

[robust latch]

I should apply this once I have people willing to be leaders of these sub projects

Personally i think Survivors and Survivor Stories both warrant their own leaders.

[thin cloud]

Probably the best place to ask: are there any typos/weirdnesses in any of the radio/TV broadcasts? Currently polishing it.

[lucid junco]

@robust latch @proud cobalt

[serene sage]

here's the new version of the survivor stories page: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox/survivor_stories_test_mid

Basically:

• Got rid of the "notable stories" subheading for each section
• Created a "gallery" section at the bottom of the page where we can put a few examples of survivor stories on the page without interfering with the text above the section

[robust latch]

Looks promising to me. Nice work

[serene sage]

I'd lead the project on survivor stories

I've spent too much time on this thing anyway

[robust latch]

Nothing specific really comes up to my mind regarding this. I had revised the RecordedMediaTR.txt, therefore I also had to look at all of the RecordedMediaEN.txt aswell and it was solid. If the quality is similar then there shouldnt be any major problems. Perhaps @digital helm have a more concrete idea about this as he added the radio&tv transcripts to the wiki.

[robust latch]

Yeah that would be neat. Let me establish the sub project leaders tasks etc.

[lucid junco]

210/423

Half way there!

[digital helm]

McGrew's first statement he says it's 14 July, but it's day 1, 9 July. Fairly minor, but I also had some confusion with the time slots for John and Joan on Triple-N, specifically at 6AM, this appears to be John's slot, but sometimes Joan pops in, such as 10 July (or do they just rotate sometimes)

That's all off the top of my head. I'm sure I saw 1 or 2 typos, but not sure where - in radio data

[lucid junco]

@digital helm @languid kayak @naive imp What do you think?

[naive imp]

Gimme a sec I've seen your pings but am a bit busy

[lucid junco]

Aight

[naive imp]

Milk n More specifically is kind of an odd case. I say we list the chain and it's 5 locations for both pages since they could easily be interpreted as either or in the case of a reader, most don't look at roomdefs

[lucid junco]

Im mainly doing this for future, since we are planning to add Nourish and Foodmart as supermarkets, at least some of them, since I was thinking about having a separate number of locations between grocery shop list and a supermarket list. And since I was planning to separate them there, why not do this everywhere else if possible

[robust latch]

@serene sage, I added the subproject section to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Lore. You can add new necessary tasks to already existing Survivor Stories section. Feel free to ask questions regarding formatting and categorization, or creation of new pages, so that everyone can chip in ideas and offer corrections if needed. I will be here to help, so will everyoneelse.

[naive imp]

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I know I'm usually all about standardization, but with some of these chains I think we should make exceptions.

For example, random editors can see milk and more, see the one, and them absentmindedly correct it without checking roomdefs (a lot of people dont do this)

@lucid junco

An easy solution would be to change the intro text to "xxx business is a grocery store AND convenience store chain blah blah blah"

On the milk and more oage

I'll get to that shortly

Plus these pages are in an early rendition, things will likely change anyway, especially with the new towns coming in b42 so I wouldn't stress about it too too much

Also on the topic of supermarket vs grocery, both have similar loot so I suppose both should be in the same page anyway. The supermarket page would only have like 2 total locations anyway. It would actually be better to just keep them kn grocery stores i think

@lucid junco sorry for the sudden change my brain thinks a bit on the short term with stuff like this

[naive imp]

I actually really like this, it was similar to what I had in mind ti include later. Feel free to add😀

Except I'd make unaffiliated a header not subheader but that's super super minor nbd really

[lucid junco]

The only actual supermarket is gigamart

Since it has its own table, more closely resembling one from general store

[naive imp]

Exactly, and you could even technically classify that as a grocery store too if you really really wanted to

I don't think we need a supermarket page then, considering gigamart is the only one

Again sorry for the spontaneousness

[lucid junco]

Np

Though Id add gigamart to the general store tbh, since loot is generally the same(can spawn toys, meds, farm supplies ect)

And every other one to the grocery store

[lucid junco]

Aight, Ive got your point, fair enough. Im fine with that, at least untill there would either be more milk n more conv store, at which point we would definitely need to separate them, or more grocery stores, making it negligible

[naive imp]

We could do that, loot table is fairly similar, or could just put GigaMart in the see also section of the general stores too, just a thought

General stores can also have tools too

I guess it depends on how specific we really want to be

@languid kayak @digital helm what do yall think? Personally I think GigaMart is kinda it's own thing but open to more feedback

[serene sage]

I finished the test survivors stories page and should be ready to be copied over to the actual page if there are no problems

I've also made a copy of the current survivors stories page as well

[woven portal]

heyo

im away from pc so just quickly, the individual pages for Military boots, Boots and Desert boots have wrong insulation on them, its minor but worth fixing

[serene sage]

what insulation do they actually have?

[woven portal]

theyre correct on the main clothes page

with military being the highest insulation and desert being the lowest

[serene sage]

ok let me fix that real quick

[serene sage]

fixed now

[woven portal]

nice, thanks

[languid kayak]

Some transcripts have Churn R Us and some Churn R' Us https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adverts – might be worth to decide on one and unify.

There are some inconsistencies with the names in advers and signs too, it's Wok and Rolls in transcript and Wok & Rolls in the sign https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wok_%26_Rolls_Sign

Maybe https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Jolly_Good_Fish_and_Chips too, but it doesn't have & specifically in it.

There might be some more discrepancies between movable names, but I fixed some in the past, I think I fixed the ones in clothing names.

Can't remember more off the top of the head, will say if they are more, but those would be nice to have a deep look at.

Also, there was some black fonts being used that were barely visible. I think some times were a little short to read, but forgot which ones.

I think I found some .. instead of ... (or … actually), though I'm not 100% sure? I think there was some typo too, but I never went through them all, maybe you found them already 😄

Also Barge-N-Clothes while it should be Barg-N-Clothes https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Barg-N-Clothes

And Fashionabelle vs FashionaBelle https://pzwiki.net/wiki/FashionaBelle_Sign

Ther's also inconsistency of I love Wok and Rolls and I *heart* Wok and Rolls – we actually had a description whether the I <3 is a part of the name which could be indicated by a single quote in this line 🤔

Come visit 'I heart Wok and Rolls' today!

[languid kayak]

Actually, my bad, it was .... four dots, unless it's intentional everywhere, e.g.

_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:1311: ////433. ORIGINAL: Shut this all.... <bzzt> <fzzt>
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:4344: ////1444. ORIGINAL: There were gunshots, and then there was this....
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:4692: ////1560. ORIGINAL: After the.... what do we call them?
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:7230: ////2406. ORIGINAL: ... gangs of youths....
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:9978: ////3322. ORIGINAL: Product may cause swelling of the urinary tract....
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:10614: ////3534. ORIGINAL: Vegetables, meat, your favourite snack....
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:11538: ////3842. ORIGINAL: Welcome to.... Triple-N. <fzzt>
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:12267: ////4085. ORIGINAL: I.... Die!
_TVRADIO_TRANSLATIONS/RadioData_0_PL.txt:13473: ////4487. ORIGINAL: Right as rain today, sick tomorrow....

I think most of the messages are in British English, where I guess they should be US one?

And there's https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ValuInsurance inconsistencies

And Dr.Oids, Dr. Oids and Dr Oids

and Cross Roads Mall (should be Crossroads Mall) https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Crossroads_Mall

[digital helm]

I forgot about the adverts. Clarification on the name of Churn R Us would be nice too. As on ads it's Churn but the sign says Churns https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Churn_R_Us

[digital helm]

I agree, I think GigaMart is its own thing (are there other supermarkets? even unbranded ones?). They're all grocery stores, but GigaMart isn't a general store. At least in my eyes

[naive imp]

I believe so, I know there's one in riverside I think

[naive imp]

I'll take a more detailed look once I'm home I'm out with my girl atm

[proud cobalt]

<LineEntry ID="200b94f6-cc10-41c0-bea7-ca360321f164" r="128" g="128" b="255" codes="UHP-1">It Steams! It Broils! It can even fricassee!</LineEntry>

Should technically be fricassée as a French word

<LineEntry ID="4ae929a7-5165-45d4-bbc8-bb8697af6d74" r="128" g="128" b="255" codes="UHP-1">Burn in the rage of a thousands suns!</LineEntry>

Thousand should be singular

"Sewer stairs"
Is obviously a ladder
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Sewer_Stairs

[sleek elk]

What is a ladder but really really steep stairs?

What are stairs for that matter but a jagged ramp?

[sleek elk]

@languid kayak saw your note to use the built-in ordered list on the discord article, I kept the headers as is for ToC lmk what you think. I can make it just one big long numbered list too I just thought it was complicated enough to still merit ToC
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Discord

[digital helm]

I think that's good. Making it one big long list would make it difficult to follow imo. Plus it's good for the toc

[sleek elk]

Yeah that was my thinking. I can def nest it so it's like 1 - a b c, 2 - a b c

etc.

But I feel like it'd get hard to follow and you lose the ToC

[digital helm]

We used sections like that when we used to have more step-by-step guides. They're much better

[proud cobalt]

Most tiles now have images, mostly paintings and curtains left

[digital helm]

Awesome stuff! I've certainly noticed it in the recent changes 😄

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah for sure

[lucid junco]

Good morning nerds

[proud cobalt]

[lucid junco]

[proud cobalt]

Starting to move categories will be messy until im done

[languid kayak]

The thing about French words might be font issue, but if not I think there's some cafés too?

[languid kayak]

Not sure they are used anywhere yet, we had some questionable things before like https://github.com/TheIndieStone/ProjectZomboidTranslations/pull/437 – though in its defense, it didn't have details back in 1x tiles so might as well identified as an air blower originally when movables were added 😛

[languid kayak]

Can take another look, but might as well me overthinking things, so if it works, it works 😄 I should probably et back to those pages (Steam, Humble, GOG, Desura and either improveo r remove the Windows/Linux/Mac ones (they don't seem to be linked at all currently)

[proud cobalt]

These should be done 🤔
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Tiles

[proud cobalt]

Calvybot has just hit 50k edits which is about 20% of all edits on the wiki

[lucid junco]

@languid kayak With 9 compression, files weight even LESS than by Ikip

[proud cobalt]

Webp gets even smaller

[digital helm]

And that's why we have the bot flag 😄

[lucid junco]

Which one is better as a logo?

[digital helm]

probably the sign

[proud cobalt]

Definitely, average of 494 edits per day since creation

[lucid junco]

What bout this one?

[proud cobalt]

Bigger one

[digital helm]

look the same 😄 the bigger one will probably give more detail

[digital helm]

I noticed some headers weren't updated. But I can fix this when I delete the old ones

[lucid junco]

Its definetly something to do with old sprites

[proud cobalt]

Which ones 🤔 Bot should have got them all

[digital helm]

this is the one I noticed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Carpets

Floor tiles

[proud cobalt]

Oh thats on me

Not the bot

Fixed

[digital helm]

I'll let you know if there's more then

May want to get the bot to update, since all the pages will be wrong too

[proud cobalt]

Doing the media pages for Ksilem. One of the names of the pages is #012 but it wont let me (i assume mediawiki issue) name the page with # at least as the first character

[digital helm]

I noticed this one, I didn't get around to looking into it. just call it 012 for now

[proud cobalt]

Will do, the bot was not happy

[digital helm]

it takes you to the main page 😄

[proud cobalt]

Queued up

[digital helm]

I think we'll have to just replace the display title, doesn't seem to be any workaround, other than changing the symbol, which I don't like

[proud cobalt]

Thats what i was thinking too @robust latch

[robust latch]

calling it 012 and then {{DISPLAYTITLE:#012}}? Sure

There is also an Ohio River VHS tape.

[serene sage]

@digital helm since you seem to be working on the table stories article I’d like to inform you to not work on the building and vehicle stories pages since I’m working on those and might overwrite your work (or vice versa)

[digital helm]

yeah, I just copied over what was on table stories, I'm not doing anymore with them

[proud cobalt]

How are we feeling on making citizen default @digital helm @languid kayak

[digital helm]

Told Kirrus we're ready whenever he is today

[proud cobalt]

Awesome

[restive adder]

It's not gonna be today, priority TIS task has taken all my spoons and knocked me into Post Exertion Malaise. Will try and get it done tomorrow @digital helm

Sorry!

[digital helm]

It's all good, whenever you're good. Hopefully the recovery goes well for you

[proud cobalt]

So we are having individual pages for each type of story and each individual story now? I havn't been keeping up

[digital helm]

I think so. I made an example, and think it works well. #pzwiki_editing message

[proud cobalt]

Looks/sounds good, individual articles allow for more expansion.

We've blown past 5,000 articles almost half way to 6,000 with the media articles up

[digital helm]

wow... would that have been the tiles? (don't remember if that was before or after the 5000)

[proud cobalt]

Tiles took it from 4400ish to 5050ish

And we were worried we wouldnt have b41 done before b42 dropped

[digital helm]

it's been a helluva year so far

[proud cobalt]

9,300 edits and counting, so close to that 10k mark

[digital helm]

keep going with those tile pages, you'll get there 😄

[proud cobalt]

They'll get me to 20k by July

[digital helm]

@serene sage I set up a class today for long lists, which may be helpful here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Building_stories#List_of_building_stories
Just use:

*item1
*item2
*item3
</div>```
It'll split it into up to 3 columns

[languid kayak]

Nice how Citizen shows it in public now 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:CalvyBot

And yeah, it's pretty much 24% of all edits 😆

[languid kayak]

yup, they do 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Carpets should be fixed now

[proud cobalt]

I like it lol

[languid kayak]

I have a guide on optimizing in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/Image_compression I should simpify and merge when I'll have time into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Images

[languid kayak]

yeah, I like it too! It also shows the preferred way to be desribed if set

in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-htmlform-i18n that is

[serene sage]

cool cool, I’ll take a look into it 👍

[languid kayak]

bot flag is to give me some break from recent changes lol. Imagine clicking everything once and marking as patrolled

(though I'm not as keep to pick bot errors due to that, sadly, so it's a good dose of trust involved)

[digital helm]

I've changed the toggle symbol as mentioned here. Please let me know if any issues. This is for things like infobox sections, navbox, mbox, etc.
May still need to do some minor adjustments for sizing for each skin, etc.

[digital helm]

at least you can filter between them. The bot maintainer should be on top of that though 😛

[digital helm]

like this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/Sandbox#HTML/Wikiscript
open div at the top of the list, then close at the bottom

[languid kayak]

not sure if that's what you mean, but back when I was stiching tiles (using PZunpacker back then) when I updated the tiles pages back then, I had some tiles that were 1 or so pixels off, I checked in-game and it was the same. Not sure if I reported it back then or whether if it was fixed or not 🤔

Probably something to keep track of.

Speaking of which, sometimes to note, we should probably add some way to track issues/bugs/typos etc. so they can be easily fixed by TIS when necessary, I was pretty much talking evertything off my head to Pat – I thought about it, seeing it on wikis such as GWW or TF2W

(and for tiles that are stiched wrongly in-game we should definitely add it to trivia if possible, maybe with a template similar to {{sup|bug}} like {{verify}} so it automatacailly add categories?)

[languid kayak]

Yeah, you should be able to use {{DISPLAYTITLE}} to set it though

e.g. on Cyberpunk wiki https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/MelaTome_23:_"Tropical_Misery"?veaction=editsource

Though keep in mind fandom doesn't have the DISPLAYTITLE extension so it might behave differently

[digital helm]

may be helpful. A lot of stuff seems so minor that I end up just moving on. Having these recorded may be good, rather than clogging up the bug report thread with incredibly minor things 😄

[languid kayak]

At least we're up to the article count of other game wikis now 😛

[languid kayak]

Helluva Boss 😎
(great show btw; I totally recommend watching for those who did not yet)

[digital helm]

Thoughts on a ? in the top-right of the box? Or are we happy with the note above? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Soup#Ingredients
My concern with the ? is it may take away from the aesthetic, and create clutter when every box has it

[proud cobalt]

I do my best lol, sometimes errors get through. I try to catch them on my sandbox test page first, but live articles are a different beast they always throw curve balls

[digital helm]

nah, you do great. I was always stressing just using AWB, which even previews what you're doing

[proud cobalt]

I like the little note. I thought it was nice looking

[serene sage]

“?” feels to me like there’s something people don’t know about it, so it probably won’t work as an icon thingy

[digital helm]

That's sorted then 😄

Any other issues before I rollout more?

Including bag pages

[proud cobalt]

Yeah no previews with PWB just the console box. And unless you tell it to output something else it only outputs when it saves a page.

I use a module called tqdm that does progress bars with etas and it is a life changer

[proud cobalt]

None here

[digital helm]

The customisability is its real purpose over something like AWB (if it worked). So a good compromise imo
The module looks great btw. I'll definitely look at using it when I start

[lucid junco]

Convinience store haunts me in the Louisville page

As much as Restarant did

[naive imp]

Don't stress too much, everything's in an early format. I can't recall a time where any of us got articles completely right on the first try 😀

That's what's good about a wiki, everything evolves and gets better over time

[languid kayak]

I guess the

Hover (press on mobile) for more information.
Hover a mouse pointer or touch the element for touch screens for more information.

Though kinda a nit? I guess it encompasses more devices types

[lucid junco]

I mean it a bit more literally

I went to check the amount of conv stores in there, but found only 3

[digital helm]

I wanted something short and concise, so it doesn't get missed - or create confusion

[lucid junco]

Its actually 4, the last one was convinience store

[digital helm]

I can change to touchscreen, since that's more what it is, rather than mobile.

[languid kayak]

yeah, I initially just wanted to shorten it even further but then started adding things so yeah 😄

[digital helm]

that's always the way it goes 😄

[languid kayak]

yeah, guess it'll be fine that way

[digital helm]

added it to the template, in case we decide to change it, we can just change it there

[languid kayak]

good thinking

[lucid junco]

Tough one

Its angled

But hand made by Pohly

I dont really want to change it

[robust latch]

I cant share a text, test.

Is there a limit of pinging users

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

Im getting pinged

[robust latch]

Yes its me lol. I am trying to share a paragraph, i pinged 4 people it keeps getting deleted

Maybe there is a limit? I dunno

We have; Survivor Stories, Zone Stories, Vehicle Stories, Building Stories and Table Stories.
Here is what I have in mind for categorization, and it is very, very much open for suggestions:
1- We have the Lore category. Under this lets create a Randomized Stories category.
2- Have this page as the only article inside Randomized Stories category (Just like "VHS", "CDs" "Skills" pages) -> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor_stories. Also change the displaytitle to "Randomized Stories".
3- Under the Randomized Stories category, create; Zone Stories, Vehicle Stories, Building Stories and Table Storiescategories. Under the Building Stories category, create Survivor Stories category (survivor stories only spawn inside buildings, as seen in debug afaik). So for example the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hockey_Psycho_(friday_13th!) article does actually fall into survivor stories and not building stories. Because building stories are made of; clinic, safehouse, school, bar, burnt, looted etc.
4- Under the Randomized Stories category have these articles: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Table_stories, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Vehicle_stories, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Building_stories (the context should be changed to building stories and survivor stories must be moved), https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Zone_stories. Under the Building Stories category have the Survivor Stories article.
5- Finally now that everything is set in regards to navigation, create relevant articles under the freshly created Zone Stories, Vehicle Stories, Building Stories, Survivor Stories and Table Storiescategories.

@serene sage @digital helm and everyone.

Let me know if i misunderstood the context somewhere, or that you have a better idea. This is the same approach that took place with recorded medias.

Also @languid kayak and @lucid junco , now that i can ping you without getting auto-deleted

So for instance: Lore->Randomized Stories->Building Stories->Survivor Stories->Hokey Psyhco

[serene sage]

seems about right, I'm pretty sure that survivor houses are also technically building stories and yet are quite different. I'm currently working on creating the zone stories article, but after that I'll look into reorganizing stuff

(oh no what have I gotten myself into)

[lucid junco]

Table stories in the same folder as Building stories, you want to put them into the Randomized Stories or Building stories

@robust latch

[lucid junco]

You hadnt even gotten into chances calculating

I personally gave up since not Im too bad at programming to get what it means

And I dont fucking trust what chatgpt says when I throw code at it

[serene sage]

Vaileasys put the game code and technical details into his mockup of the Hock Psycho guy

I asked them where he found stuff like how old the bodies were

he said to "look in the java files"

[lucid junco]

Thats not the code to calculate probability

[serene sage]

so they just set the bar really high

[lucid junco]

Ive personally used Visual Studio code with a plugin to open the .class java files

[robust latch]

Honestly the Lore Project have a lot of stuff that needs to be created or maintained. It'd be nice if I can steal you from Locations and Maps project

[lucid junco]

What do you want to steal from me

[robust latch]

Your brain and edits

[lucid junco]

Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\zombie\randomizedWorld

[robust latch]

Yeah there is a "Safehouse" randomized building story

[lucid junco]

Not my brains

[serene sage]

yeah, he told me that was where the stuff's at

stupid me tried looking at the .class files in notepad

[lucid junco]

Eg \Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\zombie\randomizedWorld\randomizedDeadSurvivor/HockeyPsycho

You can spawn them in in devmode by rmb inside of the house

Usefull for screenshoting

[serene sage]

also is the “Sexy Time” zone story a reference to anything? For context the vehicle is always an ambulance

[serene sage]

already screenshotted all of them

[lucid junco]

Ill be up for it after Im done with the last logos

[serene sage]

took up so much time yesterday

[lucid junco]

Even table stories?

[serene sage]

a lot of houses have most stories disabled

[serene sage]

no, I hate them with a burning passion

screw them

[lucid junco]

YOU AND ME PAL😄

I hadnt been able to manually spawn them

[serene sage]

the amount of times a sewing kit looked like a pair of scissors is not even funny

[lucid junco]

So my strategy was running around like an idiot

Till I found something

[serene sage]

sounds brutal

[lucid junco]

So yeah, RSS is easier than RTS

Its nice, setChance

So is RBS

But RTS gives me head aches on how complicated it is

When you try to calculate chances of each one spawning

[serene sage]

mm hmm

[lucid junco]

So, lets say that its a 10% chance

Overall for story to spawn

Now, what are the fucking chances for a spoon to spawn

I still dont know

[serene sage]

absolute doozy

[lucid junco]

It may be 100%, may be 33%, maybe I will never fucking know

[serene sage]

I wonder

do the devs themselves even know anymore?

maybe it's documented

but maybe not

[lucid junco]

People who know java should know

But I dont even know python that well

And all of them are busy with other stuff

[robust latch]

All it takes is 1 determined burglar.

[digital helm]

it's not a percentage, from my understanding, it's a weight. So it totals the weight of all the stories, then determines which will spawn. Item distribution works the same way

something with a weight of 10, is 10 times as likely as something with 1

[lucid junco]

It was as an example

Obviously its not a 10%

[digital helm]

I'm catching up, I likely missed something 😄

[robust latch]

Ok I see. So under the Building Stories Category we will have "Survivor Stories" and "Table Stories" category. Sounds about right.

Also i am glancing at RandomizedZombie aswell 🤨

Ok that is Survivor Stories i checked it with debug

[serene sage]

I found The Indie Stone's HQ on Google: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08650737

[digital helm]

I'm happy with that. Essentially following the context menu in-game. The only problem I have with the wording of "Survivor stories" is how broad it is. I think it'll work for now, but we should keep in mind that this'll likely need to change in the future.

[serene sage]

ok time to open PZ in debug mode

I'll try to see if I can spawn the table stories

[robust latch]

Yeah. I couldnt find this myself

[serene sage]

PZ updated and I thought it was B42 but turned out it was just a mod update 😭

[robust latch]

I have made my peace with December 31th release date

[digital helm]

note the code section I did is only for the hockeypsycho outfit. I don't think we should include raw java in there, unless it's REALLY specific or necessary to show something.

[serene sage]

I see, but still, now I have to look through the code for all the stories one by one all because of you /s

[digital helm]

don't stress 😄 feel free to take info from here to create articles. That's why it's there. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys/sandbox

[serene sage]

cool cool

[robust latch]

Just the wording? It may change ye

I will start the categorization tomorrow probs

Now that we all are on board with this

[digital helm]

sounds good. Just note we created a survivor stories category https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Survivor_stories
Best to keep them lowercase too. This simplifies linking a lot

@languid kayak thoughts on this? The stories are displayed in debug in caps (like everything else).

[serene sage]

edit: it really is impossible to spawn the table stories, I tried every single option in debug mode but nothing did anythign related to the table stories so I got sidetracked

[lucid junco]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

@naive imp (And everyone here as always)
Shouldnt this be called Purple plus black or Purple + Black

Also another one to the Weird Pros & Cons collection

Somewhere along with No Fridge

[naive imp]

I agree. Name should always exactly match the business name in game. Feel free to move

[lucid junco]

Which one though 😅

• or "plus"

[lucid junco]

Aight

[naive imp]

You are a madman for going through all this, maybe even more than me lol

Fr tho thanks for your help seriously

[lucid junco]

😄 Thats what happens when person with enough dedication has free time to do this

[lucid junco]

I ❤️ Wok n rolls bugs me out even more

Why is it just "Wok n Rolls"

I was expecting "I <3 wok n rolls" "I ❤️ wok n rolls" "I love wok n rolls" I heart wok n rolls"

Or something along these ones

[naive imp]

This has actually come up before. I think it should be "I Love Wok and Rolls" as that's what the adverts say, and emoticons are usually not viewable on desktop

I just haven't gotten around to moving it

[lucid junco]

I agree with anything but "Wok n Rolls"

It will go into redirects

[naive imp]

What do you think @languid kayak @proud cobalt

[lucid junco]

Come on, thats one of my favorite Weird Al songs

"Love" would fit even better instead of heart, since "I love rocky roads"

[serene sage]

oh no, I just finished the zone story article; now I have to go through each and every story to write their article

[serene sage]

what extension was it?

[lucid junco]

Name: JVM Bytecode Viewer
Id: mnxn.jvm-bytecode-viewer
Description: Show the JVM Bytecode for a .class file
Version: 0.3.1
Publisher: Max L
VS Marketplace Link: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=mnxn.jvm-bytecode-viewer

[lucid junco]

or just search .class in the Extensions tab

[serene sage]

seems like the extension hides a lot of the code inside methods so it’s just as useless

[lucid junco]

Wait

Send me how it looks for you

For me it looks fine..?

[serene sage]

it's skipping lines, as you can see the line numbers make periodic jumps and stuff

[lucid junco]

Oh wait

It wasnt this extension

[serene sage]

oh

[lucid junco]

Name: Extension Pack for Java
Id: vscjava.vscode-java-pack
Description: Popular extensions for Java development that provides Java IntelliSense, debugging, testing, Maven/Gradle support, project management and more
Version: 0.26.0
Publisher: Microsoft
VS Marketplace Link: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscjava.vscode-java-pack

Sorry😅

[serene sage]

I see, thanks

( Stress -5)

[lucid junco]

Stress +5

At least I hope so

[serene sage]

wonderful, it works now

Stress -30
Anger -10
Boredom -40

[lucid junco]

Project zomboid TableStories code
Effects
Boredom +10 per line
Anger +15 per line
Stress +15 per line
Unhappiness +15 per line

[serene sage]

Sick +30

[robust latch]

Should we just copy paste the Survivor story article and then delete it

So that we can create Randomized stories page&category and paste there

[serene sage]

which one?

[robust latch]

Because I cant create a secondary survivor stories, as i moved them to randomized

The main one

[serene sage]

link? I thought the name was changed?

[robust latch]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Randomized_stories
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor_stories

---

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Randomized_stories
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Survivor_stories

[serene sage]

I see

yeah you can delete the ones named “survivor stories”

seems they’re just redirects

[robust latch]

Ok copy the article i will do the same

[serene sage]

I already copied it over somewhere else

it’s in my user sandbox

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Mid/sandbox

[robust latch]

Deleting onlyhttps://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Survivor_stories&redirect=no and https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Survivor_stories&redirect=no should suffice if i am not mistaken

[serene sage]

correct 👍

[lucid junco]

What does this say..

Los Fartos de Mademoiselle Geline

Close enough

[serene sage]

r/crappydesign moment

[lucid junco]

238/423