pzwiki_editing

[digital helm]

Just note they're not packaged with the game, so appear invisible. Which is the reason people believe they're hidden stashes

The inventory icon too #pzwiki_editing message which is used in game

[digital helm]

It is, just have to be autoconfirmed user. Meaning you've made X edits (I forget how many)

Also, looks like it does, to me. coordinates, coordinates2, etc.

[restive adder]

And have validated email address

[robust latch]

Interesting because netiher |coordinates nor |coords seems to generate the translated value. It looks like almost none of the pages are using multiple coordinates in infobox, instead they are using {{Building location}} such as in here; https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Burgers, https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Saucy. Perhaps removing all other coordinates 2,3,4,5 argument and only keeping coordinates is the way to go? It could mess up the exceptions though, there might be some of them hidden amongst hundreds of businesses.

Maybe its a bit of "cut the arm" sort of approach. Maybe not.

[proud cobalt]

Yeah some are quite rough. Wouldn't be a bad idea to get that done before B42

What's the best way to go about replacing the Crafting system on language pages. The most active is Turkish by @robust latch The only thing that needs to be manually translated is the table headers and anything that doesn't use the same name as the page title (E.g. Recipe ingredients). Should the rest just be moved to the english template until a contributor takes the time to translate it?

@digital helm @languid kayak

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm We could do this and have translators just put the title translations in the English template?

{{#switch: {{#explode:{{PAGENAME}}|/|-1}}
| en = Hello!
| fr = Bonjour!
| de = Hallo!
| es = ¡Hola!
| it = Ciao!
| #default = Default
}}

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox/fr

If it works how I'm thinking you just put in your language code and after = put a new line with all the translations?

[proud cobalt]

Just not sure how to handle items that don't have a unique page link 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Unless we just only show unique pages

[proud cobalt]

https://puu.sh/K4E0F.png

It seems to work, other than the translation error at the top

[lucid junco]

Done(?), think it looks decent and themed to the page well enough

[digital helm]

You mean the word "coordinates"? I just noticed translating that didn't get added, which I'll do. As for removing them from the infobox, I'm fine with whatever direction you want to go with that. They're just there in the infobox in case they're needed/wanted. I don't see the problem with having both though. @naive imp may have more of an opinion on it than me

[digital helm]

I think this is fine. I think we had something similar, but for all templates, so didn't work out. The only problem is that people that want to translate it have to do it on the English page and edit the main template. Which could be confusing for translators and potentially unknowingly break it for everyone.

the point of having the translations on a language subpage, was to 1) keep it all together, 2) not have to edit the main template, 3) the doc can be in that language

[digital helm]

Looks good! I recall corn plants making a reappearance in build 42, so likely to be changed again 😄

[digital helm]

This is using, this method #pzwiki_editing message ? How messy is it? And will it be simple enough to update for your average editor?

[lucid junco]

The only thing that is amiss is the lack of the model variants of the small cardboard box and makeshift wooden crate

How can I look into uploaded wiki files and take a file from there?

No way that no one hadn't uploaded them to the wiki

[digital helm]

I just noticed. I think the corn plants were removed in build 38 or 39, or even earlier. Definitely before 41

[digital helm]

take a look here first https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles
Do you mean these boxes and crates? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles#Crates

[digital helm]

TileZed is the easiest way. You need TileZed and the tileset images https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/59675-latest-tilezed-worlded-and-tilesets-september-8-2022/

[lucid junco]

Yep

[digital helm]

actually, you don't need the tileset images, but that's a way to get the textures without extracting them.

[lucid junco]

I mean surely wiki update version has it somewhere mentioned

[digital helm]

I went back to 35 and couldn't find it

[lucid junco]

Huh

I think the wording "as of build 41" is fine, but then we should find when were they removed

[digital helm]

to me that sounds like they were removed in that version. But I get your meaning with it.

[lucid junco]

I just noticed that small crates were left out from the container page entirely

[languid kayak]

I'm not up to date; you mean you'd want a separate page for each item? Or each item that have unique name?

[languid kayak]

Corn fields back then were a little infuriating back then for my min-maxing, as i was based on farm and the corn rot, I tried to get as much as early in game to freeze it 😄

It was taking a while to pck up

[lucid junco]

Huh, so not every vegitation is the same one

This one cant be used as a container

[proud cobalt]

Yes using that method, its at the start of the onlyinclude
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_items&action=edit

I think its as easy if not easier than creating your own language subpage

[digital helm]

oh boy, that's a looooong template now

[proud cobalt]

Links like Red Pen and Blue Pen both lead to pen. But when translated will still say Red Pen and Blue Pen in english

[proud cobalt]

Yeah not wrong, it was already long tbf

[digital helm]

I think they can be removed, and just leave "Pen"

[proud cobalt]

But adding 200 lines for each translation is long

[digital helm]

I don't know... I just find subpages a lot cleaner and easier to manage

[proud cobalt]

They make bot work harder, and its maintenence on more pages. Though maybe i misunderstand how this works because i thought it would need the whole template?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_items/tr&action=edit

[naive imp]

Personally I've been adding the extra coords 2 3 4 5 etc into infoboxes when I remember, I think we should have both.

As for the coordinates not able to be put in the infobox for translated pages, I'm not sure what could be causing that, except for maybe that the format for translating that specific argument isn't there, which would be quite odd.

Don't see how the additional coordinates could be causing that issue with translatability, but I suppose it's worth at least looking into

[lucid junco]

Looking at it, there is really something wrong

You need farming to pick up a mail box?

[proud cobalt]

You also require farming and farming tools to pick up gravestones and statues. Not my favourite feature

[lucid junco]

Looks okay to me

[digital helm]

nah, it's just a list of strings that are defined in the template.

[robust latch]

OK, i am not removing anything in location infobox then.

[robust latch]

Yeah that seemed impossible to me to accomplish 😄

[lucid junco]

@digital helm Hey, Im a bit split up about adding more image variants to the Containers page and how to do it

Eg, each counter has a corner, a front and a floating variant, I dont know whether its eye friendly or not

[digital helm]

I wouldn't bother. It was intended to just show each type and size of containers. The tiles page is where they're all listed https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tiles#Storage

[lucid junco]

Yea, aight, Ill just add missing mannequin container type and call it a day

[dusk yew]

( @proud cobalt @digital helm quick aside but thanks for y'alls help a few days ago, been offline a bit but this is exactly the kind of info I was looking for at the time, I'll try and put it to good use in the future!)

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Containers
Done, though can use some clarifications

Like adding zombie corpses to this table, but I dont know the ID's and dont want to leave them empty

[languid kayak]

I think they aren't different ID? I also had a brief idea of moving them to item, just because they appear in debug mode and have their own icon, though movables slowly are getting there too 🤔

[languid kayak]

I guess the texture from https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Beta_Blockers#Gallery can be removed, even if the "Binky" isn't clearly visible in the model?

[proud cobalt]

Should i replace any non tr navboxes with english navbox items? that way we can clear out the old templates?

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak All of my additions were directly from blog posts and TIS videos, not sure why they got links removed?
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=PZwiki:Project_Build_42_Preparation&diff=294525&oldid=294503

[languid kayak]

oh, I removed the links as I couldn't find 1 to 1 name in gamwle, but can revert if needed. Thiugh I guess they shoyld be title case as other items are?

[proud cobalt]

Hey @digital helm how can i make the icon larger like it is on infobox item?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_trait

[proud cobalt]

They were directly from the in game name in the videos and images. I guess they can wait for B42 release

I just split moodles, and make a new infobox for traits. The traits article needs cleanup and splitting too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks

Could you find out the specific effects of Drunk for
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Drunk

The differences for each level, how much delayed car input is, fatigue amounts etc

[digital helm]

I'm guessing you figured it out?

Looks good btw

[digital helm]

Yeah, I think corpses should probably be on the items page now. More of an item than a tile

[digital helm]

I think it should be. Or replaced by an image of the model instead, showing it?

[proud cobalt]

Nope, its tiny for me 🤔

[digital helm]

ah, the little one you mean

[proud cobalt]

Yes pls

[digital helm]

add this to the end |class=pixelart|32px, such as after |link= . Remove the pixelart class if you think it looks weird

[lucid junco]

Alright, they were listed before me, but Ill just list them in see also then

[digital helm]

Not sure what you mean here. Do you mean to move the translations over? such as from navbox_weapons/ru to navbox_items/ru ?

[digital helm]

yeah, that was me 😄

[proud cobalt]

That worked ty

[proud cobalt]

With the new navboxes, they havnt been translated into pretty much any language but turkish. So should i just replace every old navbox (Such as navbox_weapons/ru) to just Navbox items|weapons

[lucid junco]

Oh :P

I think the page is about done then

[digital helm]

I see. Yeah, that'll be good. We'll still need to eventually move any translations over to items though.

[lucid junco]

Where are they on the item page exactly?

[digital helm]

they're not on their yet. I imagine they'd have to be in containers https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items#Containers. @languid kayak did you have an idea of where to put corpses?

[lucid junco]

Im a bit.. undelighted by calling this "Unnamed gunstore(Doe valley)", but it seems that there is no name for it

[ocean agate]

Wait, where is it exactly on the map?

[lucid junco]

The west Doe valley highway

https://map.projectzomboid.com/#3807x8512x10669

[lucid junco]

"can be found as an item"

Or as a prop

Which is more appropriate?

Thinking about it, I think sets of items should be added, either in an items page or separate one

[languid kayak]

I believe some distribution may be outdated, I guess it'd be best to use the script on eveyrthing, though @proud cobalt said he want to work on it further? Especially as it doesn't take into account foraging (@digital helm was working briefly on foraging, but I don't think he went as far as the chances goes)

Also, the items that can be spawned as part of clothing are not included either

[lucid junco]

If by some you mean every item that has a chance to spawn with some set(electronic,breakfast,sandwich ect), then yea, some

But Im not sure how many sets there actually are

[naive imp]

If a location has no discernable name, then that's what we have to call it unfortunately. Be sure to include it in the table of businesses on the Doe Valley page

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Doe_Valley

[lucid junco]

Just take an L

Oi, can you check how do item sets spawn?

Im not sure how hard it is to find them

[lucid junco]

Human readable

But there cant be only one table story

Cereal, electronic, videogame

Curious

Like its (arbitrary number after adding them all up)/(another arbitrary number)?

Chance of every individual story?

Or there is a chance of the story being spawned, then there is a 11.1% chance of each story?

Because if there are 9 stories, each with 11.1% spawn, then there would be no empty tables

Alright

Huh?

Is this actually for the table story event?

Ive never seen meat on the table

Oh

[dusk yew]

y'all, what are we thinking on jewelry items listing in codeboxes. Stuff like bangles and bracelets have a different codebox depending if they're on the left hand or the right arm. And rings do a different one for ring and middle on both left and right hands as far as I can tell, so like 4 versions of 5 items. I can list all of them, or should I just do an example one of each?

[dusk yew]

thought that might be the case, fair enough

[proud cobalt]

History is bound to repeat itself

[robust latch]

In cons3, does "No general household appliances." mean no washing machines, dryers, tvs, radios, ovens etc. in --> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bright_Flag_Inn

Or no general "tools", i am confused

[digital helm]

I'm not sure... There's definitely a fridge from the screenshots, which I'd consider a general household appliance. I'm confused too

nearly a year later 😆 still not done

[digital helm]

we're constantly changing our minds

[proud cobalt]

10 years between changes is pretty good

[digital helm]

true, wiki and game were so small then too

[proud cobalt]

I wish i could see what it looked like before it got deleted

[digital helm]

Decreases or nullifies weather effects such as getting a cold, it also increases the player orienteering ability.

'''Outdoorsman''' is an "exclusive [[Traits|trait]]", also known as a [[perk]], for the [[Park ranger|Park Ranger]] occupation.

Described as: ''Not effected by harsh weather conditions'' and ''Extra orienteering ability''.

[[Category:traits]]

[proud cobalt]

Ok well its much more stub than what ive got so far

[digital helm]

gotta start somewhere

I'd put the game description in a quote

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Athletic

That's what ive been doing

[digital helm]

You can't undelete can you? @proud cobalt

[proud cobalt]

Nope

[digital helm]

let me know if you want to see any other deleted edits. Most should be fine to see

[digital helm]

that looks better 👌

[proud cobalt]

Will do

[proud cobalt]

Still in progress but that's the idea, I don't think there's much more to add than that though. There's like 75 more to do

[digital helm]

I don't think so. This is about the level of detail I expected. If we ever delve into the code, we can at least add it somewhere. I don't see this particular one changing much though

[proud cobalt]

Was thinking about a navbox that would be skills, traits, and moodles. not sure what to name it though
@languid kayak

[digital helm]

character statistics?

[proud cobalt]

Navbox stats?

[digital helm]

I think that's good for page name, but the heading I think needs to include 'character'

[proud cobalt]

So would be {{Navbox stats}} which the main parent would have the title Character statistics

[digital helm]

yeah

[proud cobalt]

Should be able to get that in tomorrow, been particularly slow at work after the chaos of last week

[digital helm]

No problem, I have too. Been getting some RSI in right hand and fingers, so taking a lot of rests

Very hard since my day job is typing and clicking all day

[proud cobalt]

Oh yeah take it easy then, I often feel it coming on when i have 5 off and smash games

[digital helm]

This has been building up for a few months. It's not unbearable yet, just inconvenient.

So I'm still checking discord and replying if I need to. I read all messages 😄

[proud cobalt]

Idk what industry you work in but if you bring it up with your employer they should be able to help you avoid it before it becomes workers comp

Thats the only reasn they do it lol costs them $$

[digital helm]

I'm a bit of a workaholic, so really my own fault. Just taking it easy. But if things get bad, certainly

[proud cobalt]

We have lots of RSI in my job from how equipment controls were designed for trains built literally up to 60 years ago

And lots of rotator cuff injuries

[digital helm]

oh damn. At least if it's common and well known, they should at least be prepared to help

[proud cobalt]

Yeah but only to a certain extent. When theres 3,000 people in my role alone workers comp just becomes part of the cost

[naive imp]

I could never stand big corpo desk jobs personally. That's actually why the car sales gig didn't work out for me

I just gotta do something yk

[lucid junco]

So there is a separate rng calc of which items will be present?

If I knew where it is I would

Its a path to a file?

[dusk yew]

am I friday brained, or are the underlines new?

if so, it's nice for visual parsing

if not, you never saw this and I instead posted a gif of like a zombie eating a hoagie or something

[lucid junco]

Which underlines?

The ones that appear after using ---- ?

[dusk yew]

the ones under Distribution and Variants

yeah, the === types

[languid kayak]

really? I tried nailing them down, by watching the videos, guess I missed them? Can add them back I guess, but aren't they Title Case?

[languid kayak]

Looks nice!

[languid kayak]

I guess it's the same with infoboxes and other templates :/ Translators from other languages aren't really active, so to not lose the translations it's best to keep them, or to move translations manually

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I guess containers is the best fit

[dusk yew]

friday brain is a hell of a drug

also, thoughts on listing things that don't exist as 0%s? it would mean adding a lot of 0% neck protection to things, but the boilerplates are pretty out of date so I'm not sure which is the best method. maybe just leave out neck protection except for the ones that actually do give it, and list all the stats for the others?

yeah, was the same conflict for me. too many zeros bogs down the information and makes the eyes skate over, too few or the stat not being present leaves the possibility for the question "is this even included at all"

though i guess that's why the code is important

not sure how much your average joe actually engages with the codebox, though

[naive imp]

If you want my two cents is keep it hidden personally. I think it just looks bloated with all the 0s

[languid kayak]

I guess all? Though some jewleries could use further splitting

[languid kayak]

yeah, that'd be the best I guess

[languid kayak]

I'm pretty sure I added a task on removing 0% and yeah, boilerplates are due to updates 😩. Maybe this week I'll get into it, but no promisses 🤞

yeah, I have that as well :/ Sometimes I just like to follow what's in code/scripts instead

[dusk yew]

No worries, y’all are busy bees. Just didn’t want to update to the wrong format while on the clothing article update hack and slash

[dusk yew]

Maybe splitting rings by type, as they have four variants each? That makes sense in my brain but we will cross that bridge when we get to it

[digital helm]

Yeah, remove the 0s. In most cases, anything that isn't listed in the item's attributes can be removed.

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm Infobox tile has an issue with translate template loop and i dont know how to fix it
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Crate/fr

[digital helm]

fixed it. I forgot to change the reference template for the translations, when I copied stuff over. It was looking at infobox_item for translations https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_tile&type=revision&diff=306223&oldid=287769

[proud cobalt]

Ty I figured it would be a similar if not the same issue as item

[digital helm]

yeah, that issue just means it can't find the translation for that entry, so work back from there

[proud cobalt]

Ok i've finished transfering everything to new infoboxes and marked all the templates for deletion. The only remaining ones are infobox/sandbox and infobox as far as i know. Sandbox is WIP and infobox has pages under admin protection

[languid kayak]

Sure; I did some splits in the past, I also wanted to split dog tags but in the end I didn't, I also didn't split the three scaves yet https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Scarf

[digital helm]

Awesome! I'll do some checks of the translations (I think there were some tooltips I wanted to keep), then delete.

not sure when that'll be though 🤔 hopefully I'll be able to dedicate some time tomorrow

[languid kayak]

I'll be adding some NPC/zombie outfits that are available in the debug either at character creation or zombie spawning https://youtu.be/JbxJGvinhM4?t=24 – anyone have an idea who John may be? Do you think it might be https://pzwiki.net/wiki/General_John_McGrew Though I'm not 100% sure since he doesn't wear anything military

[languid kayak]

The video misses the Woodcut too, which seems to be the guy from Woodcut as it's shirtless (so sorry guys, seems the Woodcraft guy didn't make it after all 😭 )

I'm optimizing the images and will upload them to wiki shortly for those curious 🙂 Was a long todo on my wishlist, but I only realized you don't have to use zombie spawner to showcase them 😄

[lucid junco]

Uhhh, I feel dumb

Ive read through source code and didnt find anything related to spawn chanse

[languid kayak]

Male (clothing colors are randomized and body/hair/beard are not set)

Female

(will update the pages later today, so dumping it here till then)

[robust latch]

Good riddance. 😄

The world doesnt need the guy

[languid kayak]

but the Ladies do!

[robust latch]

Bruh

[lucid junco]

The .class files

[robust latch]

Are we planning to add every VHS to the wiki one day

both retail and home

maybe even CD's too

[lucid junco]

yep

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I jsut never got into this yet. We had a brief discussion with Vaileasys about the naming, but undecided whether we want to keep the prefixes such as Home VHS: or not

[robust latch]

First of all, this category -> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:VHS_tapes needs to have 2 subcategories, namely Home VHS and Retail VHS, respective existing VHS tape articles should go into these subcategories.
And then have this page as its only article: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/VHS
After that, if we are happy with current format (a brief text-usage-distrubiton-transcript-see also(i dont know when to put see also)) of VHS's, i can take a look and slowly start making new VHS pages and everything else mentioned above.

[robust latch]

We shouldnt put Home VHS:

Need to finish 2 more tr and the liquor store first tho

[languid kayak]

Yeah, the categories were outlined as part of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Navigation_and_Categories – they were just never created, as we were all occupied with other stuff 😛

https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Retail_VHS&action=edit&redlink=1
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:Home_VHS&action=edit&redlink=1

and https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Category:CDs&action=edit&redlink=1

[robust latch]

OK i think we are happy with the current VHS page, no need to split it right?

[languid kayak]

I think not; just (red)linkining and then creating indididual pages I guess

I know Vail still want to to improve on the transcription template as listed on his user page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Vaileasys keep in mind, the new transcription template is partially included in some media pages already, but not everywhere

e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hitz_FM has a new template while https://pzwiki.net/wiki/TURBO has not

[robust latch]

I could hold on until that template arrives then

[languid kayak]

You mean with translations or adding VHSes? You can add categories and redlink the pages, I think you can use the new transcription template but yeah, the transcriptions on existing templates will change and I'm not sure the template is translatable just yet?

oh wait, it is https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Transcript

[robust latch]

I mean by adding VHSes

[languid kayak]

You can add them, just use the new transcript template for those I guess. The existing VHSes don't use it at all I believe

[robust latch]

OK my bad, for ome reason i thought the template was underconstruction

[languid kayak]

yeah, me too 😄 But apparently the template is more-or-less finished (except maybe improving on adding borders), but can be used and translated normally 👌

[lucid junco]

I was using some shitty decoder, now I see

[robust latch]

Do we need all 336 VHS tapes and CDs combined in this category ?https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Transcripts

Actually there are only 2 VHS on this category, perhaps their content is also a media content on TV or Radio? Hence their uniqie categorization? If thats the case, its another thing to consider upon creating new VHSs.

[languid kayak]

Hm, not sure we actually need transcripts anymore

As I just merged transcripts to the regular pages

@digital helm are we fine with getting rid of transcripts?

I added support of outfits to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_character/sandbox as I guess we have enough of unique survivors following my additions in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor#Unique_survivors prompting that change. I also removed the personality as only https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kate_Smith and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Bobby_Collins had it filled (not even Bob Smith and Jack Bloggs had it filled), all the others are either not filled at all, or "Unknown" or "''Unknown''" (with italics) and we don't really know how NPCs will work following the addition in build 43 or whenever they will come.

Also, @digital helm can you tell me where does the official artworks and names comes from? The "Jack Bloggs" and "Bobby Collins" specifically.

Relevant is https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/154wwmb/just_wanted_share_these_official_pz_character_npc/ where Lemmy said that the Bobby Collins is just a concept art

The Bobby Collins predates almost everything; last edit was 2012: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Bobby_Collins&oldid=5960 though Jack Bloggs is as "fresh" as 2019 https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Jack_Bloggs&oldid=41607

[languid kayak]

Ironically, dough is a long standing on my to-do list 😄

I remember adding it back then to check it up, researching what it actually is used for, but in the end it fell into my backlog 😩

[lucid junco]

@quartz bear Hey, does Rand.NextBool(0) means that nothing will spawn?

[proud cobalt]

Upgraded distribution table proof of concept
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox2

[lucid junco]

I see

[languid kayak]

looks nice! Have you thought about using subheaders for tables instead? Thinking out loud, not sure how it'd come out but it'd allow to link to subsections

Also the ''Axe'' is a part of the page? I guess it's for pages that have multiple items in it?

(another reason why I like having them split :P)

[digital helm]

The transcripts category? Yeah I'm fine with that

[languid kayak]

The description is best to be preserved somewhere though I guess

[digital helm]

I was thinking about this recently. I think the Home VHS: should be removed. We had it because of the whol "named as it appears in-game", but I think this is unneeded for this type of item. Same with future newspapers, which I think will be the same, "Newspaper: xyz"

[digital helm]

I have no idea where the concept art came from (some uploaded before me). I think I found the Bobby Collins one when just searching PZ back in 2018, but the internet is flooded with PZ content these days, that you'd never find it. Some are used in steam backgrounds too

Jack Bloggs* I mean

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I think Ksilem went ahead and removed it already, too 🙂

[proud cobalt]

Yeah not sure if i like it or not. And yeah its mostly for pages that need more than 1 set of tables

[languid kayak]

With Bobby at least we can confirm the name 😄 The Jack Bloggs one is a mystery tbh

oh wait nvm

The Jack is the named one, and Bobby isn't, but it is in Steam https://steamdb.info/app/108600/communityitems/

Just the last names aren't named

[proud cobalt]

I go on leave at the end of this week. Distributions might be my project for my time off

Also i have the formatting bot running atm fixing the empty line under navboxes and sub-headers (Which should fix ==Buildings== i think), and removing whitespaces

Please let me know if you notice anything weird, been monitoring it for about 5 hours

[digital helm]

I like it 👌

[languid kayak]

Some of the old tasks could be run periodically too 😄 Like whitespace removal at the end of the line, as they creep up from time to time.

Also, when I was editing https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_character/sandbox I was comparing it to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item - I noticed the formatting is a bit different (I get lost even with the indents :D), I think it should be unified at one point, with newlines whitespaces and whaton; you mentioned it someday too I believe @digital helm?

[proud cobalt]

Yeah the plan is to run it every one or two months i think

[languid kayak]

(Speaking of which, you can take a look, but after I'll finish updating the existing NPCs, the sandbox can be merged if there's no sissues). Also, I have some recent changes catching to do, but are we at the point where the old infoboxes are good to go? Not sure they are used anywhere else? (And yeah, I still have to update the boilerplates :D)

[digital helm]

I think I've been doing |name= lately

[digital helm]

Almost #pzwiki_editing message Any that don't have tooltips should be good to go. I was hoping to do today, but I'm pretty knackered now. Feel free to keep them if you wanna do it

[languid kayak]

I should also shuffle some headers in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/VHS and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CD to be better sorted (and bump CD while at it), but I assume the list is complete, so we can add them to the navboxes too. VHSes definitely could use splitting.

The known material section in-game list them all, and we'll get more lore leaflets in build 42 too, seems it's not just newspeper spippings as we assumed based on the last blog post: https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/03/zaumby-thursday/

[languid kayak]

No rush 😛 It's been mostly Calvy pushing stuff further lately, as lately focusing on minor stuff myself too 😄

Just saw Calvy(?) stuck them out in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Tasks

[proud cobalt]

Yeah thats all infoboxes is waiting for then it can be verified and removed from tasks

[robust latch]

Yeah, only the infobox item will have Home VHS:, but the title will be without it

[languid kayak]

@proud cobalt @robust latch I changed the TV & Radio into Media in the navbox, so the Kentucky Herald (it's a newspaper) is more fitting in https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANavbox_locations&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=312473&oldid=303459 – I didn't change the ID, though I suppose it can be changed too (requires changing IDs in actual pages). The Turkish translation need updating

[robust latch]

Alright

I think i should stay away from adding -5 boredom, a text should only be highlighted if it causes stress or gives skill xp

imo

"The player can reduce boredom by -5 for each line of dialog when in the vicinity of a television playing the VHS." This text by Fuberti should suffice no?

Yeah, ithink i ll definetely not add boredom as a tooltip

[languid kayak]

That's uniform for every media in-game? If so, interesting, that's something I didn't knew. Does it affect radio too? What about Automated Emergency Broadcast System?

Anyway, I removed the transcript category now and fixed categories for radio and tv stations 👌

[lucid junco]

AEBS, classified, unknown, are the ones that wont give you any boredom/anxiety reduction

But IG, almost every line of dialog from VHS/CD and TV/radio will reduce players boredom and anxiety

There are exceptions to this, eg priests death will give player.. Some negative moodle that Ive forgotten

[lucid junco]

Im actually unsure about civilian station, never heard bout it before using debug menu to find it

[robust latch]

It definetely is the case for VHS, even if it werent the case, i think nitpicking every single -5 boredom in a particular text is extreme.. Doesnt seem to be case for the Automated Emergency Broadcast System

AEBS doesnt give a single boredom reduction it appears

[robust latch]

TV doesnt give -5 or -x amount of boredom with every line, but it does start passive boredom reduction

Atleast not every show from what i ve gathered

Paws for instance can drop boredom, drop unhappines, drop both or drop neither in a single text

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CAPE_CANAVERAL_VACATION_July_1990 something is off 🤔

75px infobox model do fix the issue tho, since every infobox model for vhs's are same, maybe its sane to render it down to that?

[languid kayak]

For me it's too small?

[languid kayak]

I removed the size; can you show what's wrong?

[robust latch]

Its the transcript, there is the infobox worth of space between the "Kevin:" and Cape Canaveral Began in the lat...

[languid kayak]

I categorized them all in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Character_concept_arts – the Bob, Kate and Raider ones were uploaded by the same person back in 2013 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Majorpickle01 – they also have the same filenames, though I couldn't track them down. Google pointed down to moddb news from 2011 (subsite of Desura back then), but nothing I could find there even on web archive – maybe it originated somewhere from there.

Weird they have different sizes too.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter in the end, would just be nice to see where they come from and whether there's something extra added to them.

[lucid junco]

I see

[languid kayak]

Seems it only happens with the new skin; c.f. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CAPE_CANAVERAL_VACATION_July_1990?useskin=vector

Pinging @digital helm for this

Seems to be some issue with the theming and/or the actual template; I guess it'll be fixed eventually by that

[lucid junco]

It is correct for a second, then it goes down for some reason

[robust latch]

yeah

[languid kayak]

It's lacking clear's functionality it seems, not sure I'll be able to fix it but can try. If you hide the general and effect stions it will go up too

I added clear to the template, but I also added clear to the page, not sure which one's better?
1st: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=CAPE_CANAVERAL_VACATION_July_1990&oldid=314009&useskin=vector-2022#Transcript
2nd: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=CAPE_CANAVERAL_VACATION_July_1990&oldid=314029&useskin=vector-2022#Transcript

If the latter (which I think is the correct one), then https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATranscript&type=revision&diff=314027&oldid=313767 might not be needed too

@proud cobalt, pinging @digital helm too, but also asking you guys, I've been thinking, maybe "Distribution" should be renamed to "Obtaining", and things like marking that items can only be obtained by debug mode/admin, crafting or as zombie clothing should be marked there? Distribution suggests only finding it through loot (be it normal, procedural, vehicle or stories). There are also things attached to zombies, something Lethal mentioned in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User_talk:LethalCitizen#Zombie_impale_times

[robust latch]

2nd one is better

[lucid junco]

2nd one

[languid kayak]

I added all the unused pictures to navbox, I wonder, they are niche enough, but do you guys think they could use a split section such as plush toys in navbox? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Picture_of_Marianne_Brown

[robust latch]

I think that'd be nice

[robust latch]

Imo distrubution is fine, idm the Obtaining too tho

[languid kayak]

Well, it kinda is distributed on zombies too, I guess just crafting is the exception

[languid kayak]

Okay, I cleaned up survivors pages a little. Not sure I wanna force myself to create 4 new pages for the remaining ones: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor#Male_only

outfit: Woodcut
guid: f10e62e7-021e-4af7-81b3-8a0fb9561b41
items: WristWatch_Left_ClassicBrown, Trousers_JeanBaggy, Socks_Ankle, Underwear_Boxers_Hearts, Shoes_ArmyBoots

outfit: Sir_Twiggy
guid: 5acf3308-6fb9-42ae-b971-1aff1f363e15
items: Tshirt_WhiteTINT, Vest_Waistcoat, Shirt_Lumberjack, Trousers_JeanBaggy, Socks_Ankle, Shoes_BlackBoots, Glasses_Normal

outfit: Rev_Peter_Watts
guid: 2fec0fa0-7d17-45a6-9127-f36b5f46d5af
items: Shirt_Priest, Tshirt_WhiteTINT, Trousers_Suit, Ring_Right_MiddleFinger_Silver, Socks_Ankle, Shoes_Brown, Glasses_Reading

outfit: Mayor_West_point
guid: f09812df-4f0a-48f2-94b3-78fe228cac0c
items: Tie_Worn, Shirt_FormalWhite, Trousers_Suit, Socks_Ankle, Shoes_Brown, Ring_Left_RingFinger_Gold, WristWatch_Left_ClassicGold

Reverand Peter Watts is linked in few other places. There are also links https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Richard_Gershwin and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Romain_Dron (apparently RJ is a lore character :D), at that point we could probably use a navbox for survivors. I kept https://pzwiki.net/wiki/John_Spifenmeister and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Kevin_Spifenmeister though these are probably the littlest of value, as the brothers was only mentioned once, but won't hurt having it, even if it's minor I guess. So far I removed links to other minor characters mentioned in lore, but if people would like to these can be created too.

At that point, I wonder if we should make a new project for lore; that's a topic that pops from time to time, and people contribute to it (Knox Event, VHS tapes, survivors), thoughts? May be a good way to coordinate VHS/media/survivor cleanups and transcription template. Pinging @robust latch and @digital helm for thoughts.

Also a fitting name and leader could be chosen (maybe you'd want to be one @robust latch

I'd have to decide what to do with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Guides too

Hm, what is Fear https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Fear refering to? Is that the unused feature, or some wrong linked moodle?

[lucid junco]

An unused moodle perhaps

[languid kayak]

That, or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Stressed or https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Panic 🤔

[lucid junco]

Its only linked to certain radio events(death of priest, distress call, lbmw Jonas takeover)

[lucid junco]

Not panic obv

They increase panic and fear

Separately

Stress - maybe

I can check the code for it, using proper decompiler and my amateur programming skills

[languid kayak]

yeah, just realized that too 🤔 So either it's stress or unused moodle. Might be the latter, as all the videos just to these medias increasing panic

At least the videos I found 😄

[lucid junco]

There is also an anger increasing broadcast thats undocumented as far as Im aware

https://youtu.be/ce3tKGrxYNA?si=507aEI4C9qf1lD0H

First noon broadcast has some strange properties as it seems

Not only it increases anger, but also the fatigue for some reason?

Or its believed to do so, dont write about something without checking it yourself

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Traits @proud cobalt but also pinging @digital helm I guess it'd be best to change the moodles to Title Case since that's how they are in-game currently? (Some already are though, we don't have consistency here :P)

Also, while technically navbox do kinda serve as see also, I'm always feeling something's amiss if there's just navbox under "See also" 😛 https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Windchill#See_also

Guess it's a habit from browsing/editing Wikipedia and other wikis where see also is option while we have it on pretty much all the pages 😄

BTW, welcome back @tough depot 😄 Was wondering whether to ping you about https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Sarah52/pageTemplate but Calvy did at least commented out the old infobox update; I'll have it bookmarked to improve https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Boilerplates which I do still have to do but I'm doing really lazily recently. Also, I'm keeping eye on these two redirects for berries https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Blue_Berry/pt-br&redirect=no https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Black_Berry/pt-br&redirect=no just in case you'll want to translate berries someday 😛

[languid kayak]

Seems Fear is indeed unused

similar to Sanity

[robust latch]

I think it would be a good idea to create such project, to give tapes, cds and lore some love. I am unsure if i am up for the task, there are some people out there who are very invested in the lore and more knowledged than i am. Maybe some of them are in the wiki. I am interested with VHS tapes and CD's these days. At the very least i would be a contributor to such project though. In summary, if anyoneelse wants to take the lead, they should, if not then i could try.

[languid kayak]

Okay, improved the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_tile a little – expect the next boilerplates to follow the same pattern, so if you have any comments guys, take a look there and let me know! Also pinging @proud cobalt as it was yours work mostly. 🙂

@naive imp you want to update https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location yourself, or should I try doing it myself based on the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:ThinkDock1721/sandbox of yours?

[languid kayak]

I guess https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_skills is deprecated in favor of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Navbox_stats too btw?

[languid kayak]

@naive imp This one is marked for removal but I can't find this location in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ABCDriving_School ?

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:ABCD_Driving_School.png

Also, are images with multiple chains preferred over 1 image for businessess that share building? I see this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SMVS2.png is being used instead of https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Fun-2-3_childcare.png for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fun-2-3_Childcare with the latter being marked for deletion @naive imp

Same with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SMVS2.png and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:Worm_of_books.png in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Worm_of_Books

[proud cobalt]

I think I prefer distribution. I've always had a dislike for the word obtaining mostly through using minecraft wiki. No real reason for it though

In saying that, distribution could be a subheader of obtaining

[proud cobalt]

It's an unused Moodle I found it when I was doing electrical and Transmission

[proud cobalt]

They were meant to be title case but some slipped through. Should be able to fix it up today

[proud cobalt]

That one in particular was meant to have more than just the navbox. But I particularly didn't like that so many pages had a Navbox with no header so it would just sit in code or even distribution. So I used the bot to insert a see also header on pages with a Navbox but no see also

[proud cobalt]

Looks good

[proud cobalt]

Yeah I haven't gotten to it yet

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I thought about it, Distribtuion is fine, as Crafting is a separate header

[languid kayak]

Seems it's not a "moodle" per se, as it's lacking an actual moodle (as in graphics and description, unless something is hidden in game files/code), similar to sanity, it's just a stat that has no graphic I think?

Would be nice to have it documented though

[digital helm]

I'll have a look at fixing. Hopefully tonight.

[languid kayak]

I fixed it with a clear, but feel free to search for a better way if you want

[digital helm]

I've suggested changing it to 'location' previously. That's what most games seem to go with

[languid kayak]

btw @robust latch (and @proud cobalt too), minor adjustements to item navbox again https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANavbox_items&type=revision&diff=314375&oldid=314061 (some may require retranslations); might be more minor ones when I get into it more deeper though 😄

[digital helm]

Project for lore could be good

[languid kayak]

Yeah, may take me a while to set it up though, unless some of you want to kickstart it; so far my vote goes for Ksilem as we don't really have many really active editors and would be nice for Ksilem to be able to contribute, at worst can switch leaders later 🙂

[digital helm]

Fear is a stat used in the transcripts, unsure if it has future use or not. Its code is FEA

[digital helm]

There should be a better way. I'll see what it's currently using, and use a flex div instead, which should fix it

[languid kayak]

btw @digital helm most of the remaining {{Underconstruction}} for https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item is documentation right? Esepcially since we still link deprecated templates as use-case (I'm the one who added them, but they are soon good to go I guess :P)

[digital helm]

Yeah, that notice can be removed. Just some doc left, with weapons

[languid kayak]

and what about the striked parameters? Are these due to be removed?

So far I mostly removed the see also templates; also removed the vehicle parts as they got their own template: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_item%2Fdoc&type=revision&diff=314413&oldid=313547

[languid kayak]

Working on boilerplates; should "Crafting" be a main level 2 header or subheader of Usage? Right bow the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Style_guide#Article_sections lists it as level 2, while in e.g., https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Wooden_Wall it's subsection of Usage as level 3

I think crafting should be a subsection I guess?

[languid kayak]

Okay, went one step ahead and changed it to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_tile – now the code has to be copied from the editing window, but we don't have to maintain it twice. Took inspiraction from the https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/PCGamingWiki:Sample_article mostly

If that's fine, then I'll follow with other boilerplates; probably not sooner than tomorrow though. The infobox item is in WIP otherwise

Actually, I went ahead and changed it to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_item too

If everything's fine then these three will remain:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_weapon
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_clothing
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_food
with detailed use-case

Though https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item#Detailed_usage covers more use-cases if we want to keep them 🤔 (Roughly mirroring the old infoboxes)

Unless you guys think the extra weapon/clothing/food boilerplates are not needed too, though weapons, clothing and food have unique properties not found elsewhere

Also is the blue notice about documentation needed in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_item ? Other templates don't use this mbox.

[languid kayak]

While traits are title case, I now wonder whether moodles should be title or sentence case? I thought they are title case, but they don't seem to have a name? E.g., the "has a cold" moodle is not named as such, but rather "Runny Nose", "The Sniffles", "You Have a Cold" and "You Have a Nasty Cold"

[proud cobalt]

I just went off the ones that were on the original moodles page

What should i do with the traits that have the same name as ones given by occupations but different stats?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Calvy/sandbox

e.g. Amatuer mechanic

[languid kayak]

Either Amateur Mechanic (trait) or Amateur Mechanic (occupation), though I think Occupations take precedence?

There's less occupations and they are more prominent in character creation

Also, occupation can never be losts, some traits can, so yeah, occupation seems to take priority

[digital helm]

I think so... I'd have to check. Can't remember if they were removed or I was going to add them

[languid kayak]

gonna go back to traits later, but after we'll be done, we can add pages for the removed ones that are still in code I guess, I uploaded and optimized the icons some time ago: https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:UnusedFiles&limit=1000&offset=0

till then, gonna go to sleep 😄

[proud cobalt]

These pages are now ready for deletion too (including docu). They have no transclusions
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Notice
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Notice/zh-hans

[proud cobalt]

@digital helm Tables have clear built in now dont they? Whats the best way to fix this do you think?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items

[proud cobalt]

@languid kayak Whats the overall plan with SYF? Whats the ideal end goal

Hello

[proud cobalt]

Otherwise, thoughts on the idea for table legends? Also @languid kayak

[languid kayak]

The ideal end goal is me getting into it 😄 But yeah, adding at least the sane amount of missing tiles. Probably not going over extreme like adding 1x version of times, all angles or adding all the flat tiles and walls (just some basic floors that can be picked) or flora.

Ideally every time that is named and/or can be picked should be included.

I'd also love to have infobox tile adjusted (never took a deep look onto it) to have some properties about tiles, like is it a half tile, is it jumpable or is it smashable with sledgehammer (not all are if memory serves right).

[languid kayak]

And the Frech too I pressume? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Notice/fr

I'm just worried about translations, seems the French one doesn't have any anyway; about the Chinese ones pinging @swift warren – are you fine with https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Notice/zh-hans removed?

For the rest of the links (talk page, outdated guides), redirects will do.

[proud cobalt]

Didnt even know the french one existed, yeah it has no transclusions either

Can you think of any Navboxes we need before i mark off the task @languid kayak?

[languid kayak]

Navbox survivors for sure; not part of the original task but yeah 😄

Other than that, I guess it's just ironing out and cleanups. For example, yesterday I noticed something was listed twice in navbox items, forgot to write down what it was

[proud cobalt]

Theres a couple, I think some deserve to be in multiple spots, i tried to have the most relevant one open on the items page

[languid kayak]

Yeah; there's some overlap in household but I don't think it was that?

idk; maybe it wasn't as important, maybe I just saw the header twice and though it's the same 😄

I'd actually shuffle some items around if you don't mind, just not sure if now or when

I'm just not sure whether or not to touch the IDs to translate 🤔. Guess I could as long as I update it in Turkish simultanously

Changes so far (and Ksilem suggested splitting the pictures; which may be sane, though gotta keep in mind build 42 will most likely add even more categories :P) https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template%3ANavbox_items&type=revision&diff=315569&oldid=313651

This one should probably be Satio'''e'''ry, but these are the items I split differently https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Items#Repairing – I think it's sane to assume that duct tapes, glues and such will still primarily be used as a repair tools even past build 42, though we'll likely see

[digital helm]

yeah, clear: inline-end for timeless, everything else is default
What's the problem here? 🤔

[proud cobalt]

Sometimes i forget i use timeless. It was pushing the tables under TOC but isnt an issue in vector

[digital helm]

I thought of adding 'surface' to the tile infobox, but that may have to wait until b42. As far as game mechanics go, I don't think there's a 'half height', I think it's just "height" which is where the placeable items appear. At least that's my understanding of it. Jumpable could be good

[digital helm]

Is that timeless? There's no in-page TOC in vector-2022

[proud cobalt]

Yep timeless

[digital helm]

i see... I'm not sure there is a fix... because the tables are so wide

[robust latch]

Stationery items, and other improvised weapons : pens pencils

[robust latch]

Btw in navboxes i dont know if there is even a way to add translatibility to links with pipes (links that display different english name than link itself).

We may have to find a way to abandon pipes? For magazine maybe instead of putting disambugiation link, putting individual links without pipes is good? Compromising closed umbrella to just umbrealla, removing extra canoe paddle. So on so forth. If you guys are good with this i can start removing pipes from naxbox item.

[proud cobalt]

I think the solution is just having one link per article name. Theres a conversation somewhere but i cant find it

[robust latch]

That should help too

[languid kayak]

IIRC the half-height was a tile property in TileZed, may be mistaken, that was few years ago when I checked, I think I have it ocumented somewhere in SYF?

Yeah

Add missing parameters for tiles (ID, thumpable, storage types (it's in comments), half-tile, can be gone through, hanging etc.).

There's a nice dbug option to allow to see it visually; I think the half-tile means it donesn't block vision but also I think is a requirement so you can crouch-walk on them when entering through window or similar

Actually @proud cobalt if you want, since you don't have any active project currently, I can pass the leadership to you if you want to coordinate it. I still want to get back to it, but I always find myself occupied elsewhere 😄

And you handled the SCC pretty well

[lucid junco]

Checked it myself, 11.50 am day 1 TURBO broadcast does in fact increase anger and fatigue

..For some reason

It also increases... Hunger?

And boredom

[robust latch]

Hunger? Interesting. Maybe unintentional

[lucid junco]

It looks like a test of moodle/stats changes with tv/radio channels

[languid kayak]

nah, seems it was a message to test it

As in test the system

it apparently also changes fatigue

[lucid junco]

Fatigue, boredom, hunger, anger are all increased

[languid kayak]

As far as actually changing hunger it's not that inappropiate I guess, as I always think of "hunger" with the nutrition on to be more like perceived hunger. Just dying out of it makes no sense lol

dying out of malutrition, that can technically happen though I never experienced so, seems more sane IMO. Would be nice if the character could really feel the malnutrition effects, like after eating cabbages all year round

[naive imp]

You can just copy paste it for now if you'd like, if you think it requires any modifications feel free to discuss 😀

[naive imp]

Sometimes yes sometimes no, if it's a small strip mall like the ones in riverside or the ones you listed then yes but it kinda depends on the size of the strip malls and whatnot

Ngl still tryna establish that myself

[naive imp]

I like the lore project idea but I think we've already covered most of it. Probably good to split that from b42 update since there will be lots of new lore additions in 42

[languid kayak]

Well, just things like comments I guess lol

[languid kayak]

Well, we're missing all the CDs and most VHSes though as far as actual lore goes, the bits so far are small (more with the build 42)

Though the existing things like survivors were nevered covered by any project to begin with 😄

btw @naive imp @robust latch remember that recently we went through a change that the periods / full stops are not used in infoboxes and images, especially some locations still have it :P. I think it could be changed with a bot though, it was just the images in galleries that went through that change automatically 😛

[naive imp]

It's a habit. Sometimes I do it without thinking

[naive imp]

Yeah that's why I'm saying we should hold off until b42 imo but that's just my 2 cents

[languid kayak]

remove entire wiki!

[languid kayak]

BTW @proud cobalt about your question from yesterday, I realized later that you asked about the trait inherited from occupation, but I also noticed that Occupation itself are not on the tasks, I guess we want to split them too? @digital helm

also, hold on, shouldn't traits be uniformly Title Case? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/First_aider I just realized all are sentence case now @proud cobalt 😄 Pinging @digital helm for this too

[languid kayak]

whoo, that's a milestone; 2400 up-to-date (more-or-less at least) pages with the recent version vs just 199 not (least in English)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah we said title case and I just automatically did sentence case

[proud cobalt]

I'm good at the moment, happy to do some contribs but i want to take on distributions

[digital helm]

What I'm thinking of must be in addition then. That one's probably used for sneaking and maybe tv/radio placement? (Throwing out guesses here)

[digital helm]

Both of these are good solutions imo. Just have "umbrella" and/or one page per item for confusing names

[digital helm]

Hmm I must've missed occupation. That's one of the more important ones to split, as that table is so squashy.

[proud cobalt]

Occupation -> Occupations to be in line with Moodles Traits Skills?

[digital helm]

I think we should move towards singular instead of plural, so it's easier to link to

[proud cobalt]

Is {{Standard}} meant to be here?
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:WIP_articles

[digital helm]

I think that can be removed... From memory it was a proposed mbox to state "this page doesn't meet the current standard layout", but I guess it never got created. Probably not needed anyway either

Added when the category was set up. As the Wip template used to just add the improvement category

[digital helm]

Pinging @languid kayak for this. Pretty sure this idea has been discussed a fair bit previously. Something we'd like to move towards?

[proud cobalt]

Out of curiosity, whats the most visited page bar the home page if thats it. If that info is available

[languid kayak]

haha, thanks for fixing 😄

[languid kayak]

Just holla if you need a project 👌. I'll have to do some focusing on things besides wiki, so may not be as active (knowing myself I'll still be :D), you take prime when it comes to contributing 👌

[digital helm]

Without checking, the life and living was always at the top and I think weapons too. I'll take a look later tonight though

[languid kayak]

oh right, forgot about that yeah. It probably is used on placing items too, a "3D" depth. I wouldn't be surprised if that property might be actually reutilized at least initially, for determining "is it table" for crafting

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I like singular too, though not sure about "Item" or "Tile"; @tough depot made some generic article about what a tile is here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Tile back then and improved upon it, though I think she's not really active on Discord, so for discussion I think wiki talk page may be better to get in contact with her 😄

[languid kayak]

Yeah, had a brief discussion; let's remove it; it's also mentioned in the Chinese page https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Standard, I guess it can be removed there (Vibrance seems to be away too, but I think we can do that ourselves ;P)

[languid kayak]

It is, although not publicly. Life and Living TV, Skills, Traits, VHS, Items, Moodles, Weapons, Trapping, Farming, Vehicles… then other skills mostly. Data's from the last 30 days IIRC. Not sure if I can post screenshot @restive adder?

[proud cobalt]

Will do, wont be till after distributions

[proud cobalt]

Makes sense, i always went to L&L too

[proud cobalt]

Ok its about what i thought. Good reason to put some solid effort into these pages

[languid kayak]

I think it's in good condition now, but I remember back then when I used a reddit post instead as it had more details 😛

[proud cobalt]

Lol you added it to the page
https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Life_and_Living_TV&oldid=48217

Also the fact that IWBUMS 41 was 4 years ago is crazy

[restive adder]

Can do, excluding any numbers

[languid kayak]

oh how clever I was 😄

2020 was before b41 mp I think

I remember some fixes were made, but not sure if multiplayer is truly fixed? I remember back then you could just restart the server and shows cycled

[robust latch]

I removed all the pipe links from navbox items, kept only the original ones. https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Navbox_items&diff=316101&oldid=315569

[proud cobalt]

Looks good, seems like the sanest thing to do

@dusk yew Ive added removing the 0% lines from infoboxes to bot tasks. Should get to it by the end of the weekend

[languid kayak]

yeah, looks sane 😛 I still plan to do one sweep to check if all pages are included or need splitting and categorized, but looks fine

@digital helm are we planning on splitting the skill books eventually? Right now it's just one item in that subcategory.

I'm mostly thinking about splitting jeweleries and underwear, as of late, too, though no ETA on that

(otoh those are really miniscule items)

[languid kayak]

I have some spare time today, so slowly catching up; was thinking of setting project lore anyway, even if might not be 100% needed pre-b42 better set it now than later but do you guys have any idea for a fancy name? If not I'll simply call it "Lore" but might be a missed opportunity 😛 Pinging @robust latch @naive imp @digital helm and @proud cobalt if you guys have any ideas, but everyone's free to throw some 👀

[robust latch]

Lore: Awakening

I think "Lore" is fine.

[digital helm]

Yeah, I think splitting the skill books to be the same as the magazines would be good.

[digital helm]

I can't think of anything that isn't rubbish 😄 "Knox something something"

[proud cobalt]

About the same as i had lmao

[languid kayak]

ChatGPT came up with "Project Muldraugh Chronicles" but I don't think it's descriptive enough 😄

Project Knox Lore
Project Muldraugh Tales
Project PZ Lore Logs
Project Knox Codex
Project Survival Lore
Project Zomboid Mythos
Project Muldraugh Memoirs
Project Apocalypse Lore
Project Zed Lore
Project Knox Chronicles

I'm not impressed 😄

[digital helm]

best one is Project Knox Lore imo

[languid kayak]

Maybe; it will encompass VHS tapes, survivors, and generic pages like Knox Infection, Knox Outbreak, Raileagh Outbreak, dunno if anything else

[robust latch]

PrOJeCt zOmBoiD mYtHOs

[languid kayak]

with that particular casing? 😆

[robust latch]

yes

[sleek elk]

Heya long-time technical writer first time wiki editor. Quick question, and sorry if I'm missing something obvious or this is answered somewhere and I just didn't see it, but how do I create (or request to create) an entirely new page?

I ask because I just got the Discord integration up and working, and it took a bit of conflating multiple documentation sources and my own technical knowhow, so I wanted to take some time to write a dedicated article that is a Discord Integration overview and setup guide.

Unless y'all think this should be part of the "Discord" article, but that article explains what Discord is and talks about this server, whereas the Discord Integration is a feature of the Zomboid server, so to my eye they're separate if somewhat related topics.

[sleek elk]

Ope, sorry, answered my own question. I was looking at "Rules" totally missed that there was a whole-ass "Editing help" section of the wiki with a "Starting a new page" article.

I knew I had to have been missing something obvious 😅

[dusk yew]

distant boombox blasting of Holding Out for A Hero

[naive imp]

Project lore. Everything is is so goofy lol

[languid kayak]

yeah, was going to link that 😄 Great that you found it; if you have any tips on finding it easier (like linking somewhere more prominent), let us know too 😄

[sleek elk]

Just off the dome I'd say make both "Rules" and "Starting a New Page" prominent/instruct users to check them out as part of the screen you see immediately after creating an account.

Edit: brain fart. Not "Rules" and "Starting a New Page", "Rules", "Editing Help" and "Style Guide"

Since most if not all account creators are creating accounts so they can contribute.

[languid kayak]

They are in French already, but not sure we want to go as far as adding each page for every volume? Though technically we can, they are different items after all (and can have totally different names in translations/whatever)

[sleek elk]

That or JUST prominently link rules and add two rules something like

• Check [Editing Help] before asking for help on the discord
• Reference the [Style Guide] when adding or editing articles to ensure consistency

Probably include those in rules either way tbh, whether you only link rules after account creation or not

[naive imp]

What are we going to do with these? Should they be deleted? There's a lot of em

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:UnusedFiles

[robust latch]

🔥

[languid kayak]

not straight up, I've been keeping eye on them; some are waiting to be used eventually, some are kept due to historical reasons not sure where to put them yet

Like Vail uploaded a lot of the blacksmithing tiles, but they are not yet used

They are ordered by upload date too, that often helps in judgment

Anyway, I'll try to set up the project lore tomorrow, but as far as NPC goes, it seems that Fallout Wiki makes pages even if the character was mentioned only once in one franchise, not sure how far we'd come? https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Cadillac_Bob

[proud cobalt]

I love this

[digital helm]

Yeah, they have a separate page for just about everything. Part of the reason i was thinking of splitting skills, traits, moodles, occupation

[digital helm]

I don't think we need a separate page for each volume. Unless that's what you want? At least need to have a page per skill

[digital helm]

I'll take a look at adding this. There should be a MediaWiki interface string we can modify

Also, documentation for discord integration should be very helpful 🙂

[digital helm]

The old tiles should be removed. As we get through the backlog of outdated articles, this has grown a lot. I'll take a look tomorrow and remove any duplicates

[proud cobalt]

Also those pages were an absolute mess and didn't follow any style guide formatting. Too much Info on one page, tables in tables.
I'm getting through them one by one. Been some full days at work

[lucid junco]

@digital helm Im still a bit unsure about item sets

I was thinking about making a separate page about them, but dont know whether it's necessary or not

Though just listing them individually on each item that can spawn in them is a bit lacking

Maybe as a branch or a subarticle in items page

[restive adder]

@proud cobalt @languid kayak @digital helm Citizen theme installed. Made a mistake when installing that meant I had to rotate the DB password if you noted a glitch, and the install instructions were wrong. Also, it's a pain because it's downloaded separately from the other extensions so i'm potentially gonna have to keep an eye on it directly. Have a play and let me know if you wanna keep it or not

[proud cobalt]

Awesome thanks, after tomorrow I'm on leave so will be able to do plenty of testing. Will let you / Vail / Faal know if any issues come up

[proud cobalt]

Some screenshots from mobile. Already feels much more responsive. Will require some more config (See footer text). @digital helm happy to help look into this too

[robust latch]

Looks smooth for a wiki

[proud cobalt]

It's fancy, user toolbar appears and dissapears dynamically when you scroll up and down

Nice little animation. It just feels good to use

Search is nice too. I wonder how the images for the article are set? Could we make it the same as the Infobox icon 🤔

[naive imp]

Well I'll go through them at some point and mark a bunch for deletion, you guys can make the judgement

Won't be for some time though

[robust latch]

Should we name the advertisments "Adverts" or "Pizza Whirled", "Star-E-Plex" and so on?

[robust latch]

This ofcourse assuming there isnt some gal or pal in the recording coming up with "This is X"

[robust latch]

Knockback is when you succesfully fend off a zombie attack, and knockdown is when you manually push zombies with weapons or by hand to the ground by pressing space or left click... right_?

[languid kayak]

Sure! The oldest pz screenshots one are marked for deletion in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Pages_requested_for_deletion but we're unsure wherer to put it, I just discussed it briefly with Vail two or so days ago 😛

idea was to put it onto build infobox, but we may actually keep them in some build gallery I guess? Just in case we'll be more into archeology at one point 😄

Some are also elements of the old page, we kept them too

[languid kayak]

what do you mean, the transcription page? It's already there at https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Adverts

[languid kayak]

I think knockback is when zombie is pushed and knockdown when laid on ground

[languid kayak]

It's over 70k pages now though 😄 Though they cover some mods I think (and multiple games and such)

[languid kayak]

I think it might be related to images Discord rich embeds Alluseri mentioned back then?

[robust latch]

Sorry i should have specified, here are the speakers "names": https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Pizza_Whirled#Advertisement or here https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fossoil#Advertisement

[languid kayak]

oh, not sure, up to you as long as it's consistent I guess. Having adverts is simpler; doesn't require thinking though 😛

The actual names aren't defined too, right? Just the colors (which we currently don't keep track, but might in tooltip or somewhere I guess)

[languid kayak]

btw, might postpone the project creation over to a weekend, I guess we're settling on the Project Lore simply? Any ideas for colors?

[languid kayak]

I can set the text, though no idea what it should be like 😄

Glad the skin is working for you btw; I can't see the benefit myself, editing pretty much just from the convinent PC (and even when editing from mobile, I do it so sporadically I just feel better with whatever look I have on PC :P)

Too bad it lacks (or I don't see it) a full screen editing mode yet?

Also yeah, CSS tweaks are needed for background and such but it looks nice 😄 I kinda am looking forward at vector-2022 fullscreen editing, maybe I'll switch then.

Gotta decide which skins to maintain too and which use as a main for editing help (so far the screens are from old vector). I guess we're keeping Timeless and Monobook too? Won't hurt having them, unless they'll be too much burden (though we minimized amount of CSS tweaks last time, there's still one with bullet points that's behaving awkward)

EDIT: Nevermind, I see Citizen supports full-width

[robust latch]

They arent defined no, i search them in the text. I am content with project lore. I think Vaileasys mentioned project knox lore, which is also nice. My vote goes for dark blue or white.

[proud cobalt]

Not sure what you mean by full screen 🤔 you don't mean visual editing right?

I think it's a big upgrade for users, for example it has real time light and dark mode even for unregistered users. I think the goal is for citizen to be default once enough testing is done.

[proud cobalt]

Hello <@&1205891296565268520>s and users. I'm bringing back the decision of orange or red for the new theme in testing. Please watch the two videos including both light and dark mode for both colour schemes and reply with your preferences. Lurkers too

[lavish bear]

Hm?

[inland pulsar]

The red fits much better with the theme, but the orange is easier on the eyes and more readable

why not have a toggle between what theme you want?

[proud cobalt]

Too much upkeep for 4 themes + the 2 backup themes

[inland pulsar]

ah, too bad

i personally prefer red, but the orange is better for accessibility

Can you edit the HTML directly? or is the wiki done through a host like miraheze?

[proud cobalt]

The wiki is hosted by TIS

[inland pulsar]

from what i can find, TIS looks like a "building block" style web host, in that case it could be a problem to have 6 themes, including light and dark mode

[proud cobalt]

TIS is The indie stone

[inland pulsar]

-_-

i should've known that

i thought you meant the service

boy i can be dumb sometimes lmao

i see now

[proud cobalt]

Its an official site

[inland pulsar]

i thought it was communally hosted, but my assumption was wrong

thank you for letting me know

[proud cobalt]

Np, its maintained by volunteers

[drifting seal]

I should check to see if I have API access to the backend for macro-editing via bot.

Been a minute.

I had escalated privileges last year.

[inland pulsar]

To answer my own question, it's hosted by mediawiki :p

[proud cobalt]

Likely not anymore, cloudflare killed all the bots unless you have an allowed user agent

[drifting seal]

This is likely.

Gotta find the bots page. One sec.

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Bots#List_of_bots

[drifting seal]

Yup I'm still good.

[somber jolt]

Definitely like the red one. More of a zombie theme and it goes well with black (for dark mode)

[drifting seal]

Thanks for the link.

Ancient fart checking in.

I focus on writing tools for documentation purposes in modding so I'm very adjacent to the wiki community in that regard.

[proud cobalt]

I've seen your name around on the wiki, cool to see you exist lol

[drifting seal]

I'm glad too. Just got out of a major surgery.

Brain

[proud cobalt]

Jeez, hope youre recovering well

[drifting seal]

They got rid of the bad Lua code.

Be careful when you mod.

I'm working on PZ stuff to get my mind off the recovery.

It feels good to further work on the tools people still use actually.

This wiki is going to be hectic when 42 shines.

[languid kayak]

Should ping Kirrus about the bot issues; me and Vail have bot accounts too, but it's just Calvy using his nowadays :D. Also, just in case you'd be want to get back to some editing, the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding is currently lacking any major attention, this project never had much active contributors tbh and was mostly neglected

[drifting seal]

Don't worry, I'm like actively working on a web tool that enables modders to contribute literal code documentation for API to the community.

[languid kayak]

yeah 😄

[drifting seal]

I'm sort of "Wiki'ing" it up for the modders.

[languid kayak]

okay, ttyl guys, will be afk for an hour or so

[drifting seal]

Like I said I'm adjacent to wiki goers because it's basically what I do.

[drifting seal]

o7

[loud schooner]

make it into a skin?

they're easy to switch between

but yeah the orange is nicer

[digital helm]

Not entirely sure what you mean. Is this in regard to things like the skill books, and having a separate page for each volume versus each skill?

[lucid junco]

Its regarding to the my previous dive into table stories

I had found that every item that can spawn via table story (item sets), doesn't have it anywhere mentioned on their page

Nor is there any mentions at all on any of the pages in the wiki

So I was thinking about adding them in, but unsure in wich way

[digital helm]

Gotcha. I'm not sure how many there are, but I guess you could do something similar to item tags https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Item_tags I was going to expand this further to have a section for each tag, expanding on it

Wouldn't have been included because it's stored in java from memory, so not as easy to view as lua

ideally it would be mentioned on each page that can be found as part of these table stories

[digital helm]

for the thumbnails in search, it needs an extension. I believe it's this one https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PageImages

[lucid junco]

It would, but I think that just adding them in in every page is a bit lacking

[digital helm]

so a central page as well? I think that's good. Similar to how I was hoping to have a page for each container. Maybe even room def?

[digital helm]

My preference is the red, but I don't mind either way

[proud cobalt]

Apparently this comes pre installed with 1.34 and up. We're on 1.39.

@restive adder is this something that just needs activating?

[lucid junco]

I thought about doing them like containers, but they exclude probabilities and items that can spawn in them, for obvious reasons

[digital helm]

yeah, for standard distributions, it's more of a roomdef thing than the container itself.

probabilities is really hard to maintain for normal distirbutions, since it's a weight, so each new item will change the probability

[lucid junco]

Maybe we can make something like:
Electrician
Description

• Electric magazines(images separated by comma) - each has a 25% chance to spawn

For electrician its easy, since its guaranteed to have 4 items, (screwdriver, scrap, one of the magazines, one of the electronic gadgets)

Not so for something like cereal breakfast which I still don't understand fully

[robust latch]

I think the red and blue is much, much better than orange theme

[proud cobalt]

Yeah seems like that's preferred so we'll stick to that

[robust latch]

Sometimes i find myself confused when i see the directions specified in some articles. The way i am understanding directions is basically can be determined with movement: W is north, A is west, S is south, and D is east. WD is northeast. And so on.
But then there is this sentence which to my understanding is wrong: "The Rosewood restaurant is next to Spiffo's on the way into Rosewood from the main highway heading East-West."

Because that highway to my knowledge is on the northwest and southeast line.

So i wanted to double check with you guys and verify this before i go rogue on these articles, changing directions.

[lucid junco]

They are probably using real world coordinates

[proud cobalt]

As far as im aware, these are the directions (using louisville as a reference)

[robust latch]

Real world wise i guess it makes sense

The line that cuts the horizontal river perpendicularly is the "north" then.

[digital helm]

this is correct

[digital helm]

yeah this looks fine. Then maybe list the roomdefs that it can be, i.e. livingroom, kitchen and bedroom for electronics.
breakfast does look a bit more complicated... I'd probably keep it simple and just list the potential items and the overall 'chance', noting that there needs to be 2 tables.

[lucid junco]

Alright, Ill try to make wip when Im free. The main problem is understanding actual odds of each item spawning

Since the code itself is a bit messy and inconsistent at least for an amateur like me

[restive adder]

@proud cobalt I've enabled that extension. Note, it has known performance bugs slowing search performance, and has been in limbo at mediawiki foundation since ~2022

[proud cobalt]

Ahh ok, if it starts to cause issues happy to go back to disabled

[robust latch]

I think this new gargantuan Louisville is ready for translations, right?Pinging @proud cobalt and @naive imp too.

Btw Calvy, amazing job with Louisville my bruv

[proud cobalt]

I don't think there will be any major changes. The guide was going to be reworded but i dont feel like doing it anytime soon. Maybe skip that if you want? We might move away from guides anyway

Good work overall for you too, Turkish is coming along really well

[robust latch]

After a quick read that strategy section looks good and shouldnt be removed imo. Neither we should remove any other strategy sections on other articles. Anyway i might likely start doing louisville/tr this month then, with this information.

[naive imp]

The articles in Louisville are all due for standardization and some tweaks, so I'd hold off personally, but if you want to translate them in their current state just be mindful that they will need updates in the future

[robust latch]

Ok nevermind i ll hold for now then

[proud cobalt]

I think they mean the Louisville article itself

[naive imp]

Well the article itself yeah is mostly done but I will be adding onto it a bit @robust latch

Like the town article itself and not the individual locations

I got Co fused 😀

[robust latch]

I ll just stay away from Louisville 😄

For the time being

[robust latch]

Happens to me all the time bruv

[robust latch]

In distributions table, is there a more efficient way than checking every single link one by one to see whether if they are going to container page or their respective tile page and only then doing this edit-> https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Pen/tr&diff=316649&oldid=316647 ? So far this is the only solution i have come up with. I couldnt figure out how to redirect links to containers/tr sections, as it does automatically in english table. Any help is deeply appreciated on this one.

[languid kayak]

I basically dumped all the survivor stories in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor#Survivor_stories - maybe at least a list could be dumped here (indicating it might be survivor presence, though I think technically they all happend prior to game start?)

[lucid junco]

At least - yes
At worst - it means that survival stories should be expanded upon drastically

Or just copy pasting containers template

[languid kayak]

That's why the new build is planned to has compass 😄 I guess the easiest way is to open in-game map and disable isometric view

[languid kayak]

and the built-in functionality in MW 1.34+ isn't what we were looking at?

[lucid junco]

Yeah, I think a separate "Survivor/Background stories" page should be made since there are so many of them

[restive adder]

It's "built in" only in so far as the extension is bundled. It's not currently being fully maintained

[languid kayak]

ah, makes sense. I guess the extension is still needed in the newest non-LTS version, so I doubt it'll be redundant in the future? (I know renameuser functionality cames with the new LTS)

[restive adder]

Nothing in the big reports I read seemed like it'd be integrated

[languid kayak]

This template has include size exceed btw, not sure is that's what causes food recipes to be odd? Pinging @proud cobalt for that

[languid kayak]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Navbox_medical/tr not sure why some items still appear there? Pinging @robust latch for this

[torpid sage]

me after every night out

[robust latch]

Interesting

[robust latch]

lemme look

[proud cobalt]

What i can do in the soon™ to be upgraded distributions is make all of the links ll links, then you can make a redirect from {{ll|desk}} to wherever you need it to go

[robust latch]

Thank you very much!11!

[proud cobalt]

Np, iirc theres only 10 or so containers, so you just have to do those then every distribution table will use them

[proud cobalt]

Is this on Recipe list? if so i know about it, i just havnt looked at a solution yet. It still works fine on all articles afaik

If you're around @languid kayak Could you please change --background-mw-heading: #e5e5e5; to --background-mw-heading: #185893; on https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Citizen.css

[robust latch]

I wonder if deleting original navbox medical would help?

[languid kayak]

yeah, it helped 😄

[robust latch]

Oh, noice

[proud cobalt]

If this could be added to https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc please

PZwiki is the official wiki dedicated to sharing information about [[Project Zomboid]]. It covers all content relating to its gameplay, lore, and development. This is an official site of [[The Indie Stone]], and is maintained by volunteers. <br>Want to contribute? start [[PZwiki:Community portal|here]] For copyright information please see [[PZwiki:Copyrights|here]].

[languid kayak]

done with some tweaks, may change it later as I see you change it too 😄

[proud cobalt]

Ty, Yeah i want to put the discord in the tagline but thinking about the best way to do it. Might add the forums and map too

Oh i also missed a period after [[PZwiki:Community portal|here]]

[proud cobalt]

Cant put the text in discord, if everything from https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=User:Calvy/sandbox2&action=edit could be put into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-tagline please

[tribal laurel]

im dumb, how do we edit the wiki?

[proud cobalt]

After you make an account you can click the edit button towards the top of the article. Then you can edit what you need to in the edit box, leave a short summary of your changes, and then save

[proud cobalt]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Contents

[tribal laurel]

thanks!

[proud cobalt]

np

[lucid junco]

Red and blue one is better in my opinion. Don't like the orange tint on the background, and having everything orange blends things a bit, especially in white theme

[lucid junco]

Something like that

[lucid junco]

As I said, Its easy with Electronic, since it lacks any variations

Its guaranteed to have 4 items, of which 2 have humane rng

[proud cobalt]

This looks good

[lucid junco]

Are item pics separated enough?

If yes, now whats left is to write out odds of each item in each story(aka set)

[proud cobalt]

Yeah i think they are

[digital helm]

I like it. May just want to have the image float right

[digital helm]

May be best to have {{ll}} included in @proud cobalt's script. They're currently redirected as a workaround, until we create a page for them. So I wouldn't stress about the #, just leave it as {{ll|desk}} imo

[lucid junco]

The main image or the small ones?

[digital helm]

the main image

should be able to use |thumb or |right

[languid kayak]

indeed, I didn't realize that and due to it being right after a link LanguageTool didn't pick it up either 😄

[lucid junco]

Gotcha

[languid kayak]

I just put it there, was wondering whether not to reuse the icons that are on the main page though?

[languid kayak]

they are, could actually just be separated with space; everything looks good; just the minor nits that will be ironed over time

[languid kayak]

Looks good IMO; just might redo the TIS one

[proud cobalt]

Doesnt work great in light mode

[languid kayak]

Maybe I'll try adding a slight dark background to the icons, so they display on the shiwte background better; I actually used the same icons that are on the main page as forums is linked on the sidebar, though that can be changed.

There also comes translatability of these two, let me see if it works for Polish first.

Hard to say whether we won't make some visual styles to Cosmic anyway; not sure Vail touched it yet?

Also not sure I mentioned, the line height doesn't seem to work for me at all 😛

[proud cobalt]

Thats why i did the icons with a white background that way they show on both

[languid kayak]

Yeah; gotta do that with the icons we have now as well 😛 They are smaller and optimized and the Discord one you used was actually an old one before they changed it 😄

I should have the original projects, I did went through them back then

[proud cobalt]

Weird i got them all off the official branding guidelines
https://discord.com/branding

[languid kayak]

hm, maybe not then? I remember we had an old one back before I changed it, it was before Twitter rebranded to X

Seems translation don't work for the footer, at least not that straightforward? https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Project_Zomboid_Wiki?uselang=pl

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc/pl

[proud cobalt]

I have a solution to this just in the middle of a cs game

[robust latch]

Alright i will chill for the time being with secitons

Pros cons tables should have periods at the end of the sentences right?

[languid kayak]

yup. Though not sure whether or not we'll just use the tables? I initially though the pros-cons is preferrable, but @digital helm mentioned the tables may be sufficient enough? I remember you used the table too before? Not sure where it finished, but I also noticed you translated the template 😄

Vehicles don't seem to use the pros-cons template currently, too.

It uses the old documentation template and not the new transatability too https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Pros-cons

[robust latch]

I am using pros cons, i made a pros cons /tr

[languid kayak]

yeah, noticed that 😄

[robust latch]

I changed wikitables in turkish vehicle parts to pros cons tr aswell

[languid kayak]

Hm, I guess we're gonna rename the "potential" from other pages too? https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=March_Ridge_School&curid=30603&diff=317127&oldid=310525 Pinging @proud cobalt (as it was yours edit I believe) and @naive imp as a location project leader

[robust latch]

Not all though now that i am looking at them lol

[robust latch]

SkillDamageBonus and Durabilityweapon also in the same boat

[naive imp]

Eh I'm indifferent. Personally I think potential fits best but it's not really a big deal it's one word lol

[languid kayak]

yeah, as long as it's consistent 😄 Can bot-change them if we decide on one uniform one though

[proud cobalt]

The section is for the locations potential to be a safehouse so that makes the most sense to me

[languid kayak]

So simply "Safehouse" instead of "Safehouse potential"?

I still have to settle on unified header orders for boilerplates 😄

[proud cobalt]

I prefer ==Safehouse potential==

[languid kayak]

ah, gonna rever tit then, hope you don't mind @robust latch?

[robust latch]

I dont mind, we will have to add a lot of potentials though

[robust latch]

How about the gallery section when it comes to addition of periods?

It looks so inconsistent

Like eitherway is fine but its always changing

I suppose only long sentences have periods?

[lucid junco]

Aight, this is also kinda easy

Hey, what about these things?

[digital helm]

what's the last variable in addWorldItem? is that the chance of it spawning?

[lucid junco]

A spaggeti code I think

I assume that it just guaranteingly adds eithr jam or marmalade

[digital helm]

I was thinking more about the bread knife line

jam and maramalade seems to be 50% chance for either

[lucid junco]

Oooh, I see

[digital helm]

this seems to be in RBBasic.class which is 900 lines

      kitchenSinkItems.put(2, "CleaningLiquid2");
      kitchenSinkItems.put(3, "Sponge");

[lucid junco]

Should they be considered/added into further page?

[digital helm]

if it's a kitchen and a sink, there's a chance all 3 items spawn

            var6 = this.getFacing(var5.getSprite());
            if (var6 != null) {
               this.generateSinkClutter(var6, var5, var1, kitchenSinkItems);
               var2 = true;
            }```

is Rand.NextBool(4) 1 in 5?

[digital helm]

I guess so, there's a LOT more than just that

Here's all the items. For the probability of each, you'd have to check RBBasic because that's just too much for me 😄
It seems to check for the roomdef, then the presence of things like sink, stove, counter, etc. then there's a probability of spawning those items

[lucid junco]

Obviously, there are also bar related stuff at least

and bedroom clothes

[digital helm]

yeah, there's heaps of things...

then you also have the dead survivors

[lucid junco]

..Oooh Im blind, its in the same folder as table stories

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor#Survivor_stories is the least amount that should be added to the page

Which is.. oh my.. 46 entries

[digital helm]

I guess they could link to separate pages?

[lucid junco]

Not including 9 table stories , and random building stories

[lucid junco]

Maybe, @languid kayak suggested that table stories belong to the Survivor stories

[digital helm]

Hmm.. a lot of these aren't really stories though. They're just clutter

table stories are, but not most of the general randomized building stuff

[lucid junco]

Yea, makes sence

Though the special ones should be included

"Looted Store" "Toilet paper freak" are too good to be left out

[digital helm]

they should all be included in some aspect. Even if just on the item's page. E.g. for soap: it can sometimes be found in the kitchen on the sink

[lucid junco]

Yea, I guess that will be good for now

Though its hard to play dnd campain and think about the wiki at the same time. :P
So for now I'll stick to thinking about table stories.

[digital helm]

lol I'd imagine! You're suppose to be immersed in the campaign 😄

[robust latch]

What do we think about articles with both advertisement sections and in-game advert quote which repeats the same thing. Example -> https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Seahorse_Coffee

Keep it? Kill the quote completely? Make it so that quote only has the "necessary" sentences?

Pinging @naive imp and @languid kayak for this one

But ofcourse any idea is appreciated

from everyone

[naive imp]

I don't think we need the advert section if its already in the quote

[robust latch]

I think the new transcript template is going well with advertisement sections of businesses though

[lucid junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zYvamj_8Io (range check by retanaru)

Short answer: No

Long answer: Range not affected, and even if chances are lower, you will still be spotted pretty much instantly as usual

Interesting

There is an RB Kate and Bob event

Which will never occur since chance is 0

and it needs their house to spawn

There is also Table story.. That is ouside of table story folder and clasification

[lucid junco]

It doesnt influence chances of breadknife spawning, but rather something else

[languid kayak]

can be botted 😛

[languid kayak]

It's opposite; we're removing periods in galleries and infoboxes now

[languid kayak]

yeah, sorry about that 😄 Apparently I was wrong compared to other wikis and publications; should probably researched it better

[languid kayak]

These are kinda world stories too, right? Also, slightly offtopic, but I wonder if that will ever be changed as we currently have both tile overlays as those stories when it comes to sinks; as in dish cloth is not pickable 😄 I wonder if a mod could be made to allow to change these based on the items held (probably a nice mod idea tbf)

[languid kayak]

Seems redundant indeed 🤔. Also needless to maintain it twice in case it changes. The https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:ThinkDock1721/sandbox doesn't include advert section, but I think it should be standardized optional one, same with safehouse (it's gonna go into https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Help:Boilerplate_location I'll do that maybe tomorrow, depends how much time I'll scrape)

[languid kayak]

Yeah, I think generized section is easier to navigate, as in if I'd be into lore, I'd instinctively search for the section

[languid kayak]

Isn't it the house in Muldraugh? Apparently you can get Kate's picture that way

[robust latch]

Alright i will also pay attention to that

While translating

You can leave me dixie mobile park, scenic grove mobile park businesses

and muldraugh bussinesses

When it comes to coordinates, transcript template and "dot" removal checks.

[languid kayak]

There's a bot task for those too, but if I spot them, I fix them myself as well 😄

ThinkDock is aware too and I'm watching recent changes all the time in case something splis through

[robust latch]

You are the Overseer

[languid kayak]

https://images.fallout.wiki/c/c4/FO01_Overseer_Cinematic.png

I wonder whether to just remove the categories in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_0.2.0p and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_0.2.0r and just let the non-English pages be updated over time – I don't think we need to explicitly track them?

Pages in categories like https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_0.2.0r/pl and https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Category:Version_0.2.0p/no – they seem to just have it set as a category

Especially since we no longer have code in there

And the new infoboxes are deployed which already have encumbrance; can slap the {{Outdated}} in them instead

[lucid junco]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Survivor_Stories WIP made

[languid kayak]

You plan on moving other survivor stories here? Zones, buildings, vehicles?

[lucid junco]

Yep

[languid kayak]

neat; when (semi) done, I'll link it to the main page 🙂

[lucid junco]

Though its gonna become very tedious and boring real soon

[lucid junco]

We are really unsure about general building stories

[languid kayak]

Like the whole wiki 😄

[lucid junco]

They arent "stories" like others

Eg clothes on the bed, soap on the sink

[lucid junco]

Pretty much :P

The problematic part is actually understanding the code and probabilities

And writing coherent sentences apparently

[languid kayak]

@naive imp you consider Crossroads Mall part of Valley Station rework in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps#Towns ? It is listed separately in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:Project_Locations_and_Maps#Other_locations so I guess if that's the only thing preventing it from completness then it's not a blocker?

[naive imp]

I mean I guess but the town still technically isn't complete

That's why I changed the status

[languid kayak]

I guess it's fine to remove the mention of Crossroads Wall from it though?

To avoid confusion that it's a blocker?

[naive imp]

Well then readers wouldn't know what's holding up the town

Especially after those last two specific stores are done

I say just leave it for now

[languid kayak]

Okay, but is Ohio Mall also holding off Louisville?

[languid kayak]

BTW; I noticed some pages that don't have a full building in the infobox, but instead just the entrance. I guess they will be replaced with a full screenshot as the time goes on? Should I mark them somehow like with {{Reupload}} or will it be ironed out during Louisville sweep?

ex https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Zlatko's

[naive imp]

It would be yeah but Louisville is waiting fit a third pass anyway

[languid kayak]

yeah 😛 So Valley Station is being just Crossroads while Louisville is more, makes sense. Also take note of my previous messages too, as I go through all locations now adding tooltips and removing videos anyway

Also, if a building has 1 floor; should "floors" in infobox be filled?

I think not, as other buildings don't have it, and besides it says "1 floors" anyway

[naive imp]

I think so yeah because sometimes it can be hard to tell from the exterior

Plus more detail is good I think

[languid kayak]

I removed two of them so far, as most didn't have it filled, but I guess going into much more details at some point could be interesting.

I know Lethal was filling some parking spots info in the past, but there are more fields to be filled, following the merge with "building" infobox:

<!-- Building -->
|size=
|roof=
|top_floor=
|floors=<!-- or |floor_count = -->
|material=
|entrance_count=
|stairway_count=
<!-- OTHER -->
|number_of_stores=
|number_of_rooms=
|number_of_suites=
|number_of_restaurants=
|number_of_bars=
|facilities=
|parking=

Akthough not sure all fields are really needed?

Also I was wondering; instead of relying to gallery for inside shots, we could utilize the template's multiple images: https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Template:Infobox_location

[naive imp]

Not always all need to be used no

[languid kayak]

Nah, not at all

[naive imp]

I think gallery works best because the images are more easily visible. Not everyone is going to think to click on multiple images

[languid kayak]

but I'm not sure the numer_of_stoes is applicable? Unless for things like Crossroads Mall, then maybe

[naive imp]

I was thinking that'd be good for chains

[languid kayak]

Clicking on multiple images in infobox has a benefit of dynamically switching between layers

Useful for e.g. planning building or general exploration

though for multiple locaitons, I think the template is best

[naive imp]

Well yeah but we would need separate captions for all the images and I just think it translates better on gallery imo

As in looks better

More natural etc

[languid kayak]

Not really, it's "Isometric view of XXX" right now, so it'd fit. Though multiple tooltips could be added, infobox item has support for it

[naive imp]

Yeah but Isometric and interior views are different. Plus a bigger image is better for showing interior details. It's a lot easier to make out he actual interior of the building in gallery since the image is a lot bigger.

If people are looking at interior images it's because they want to know what rooms are where etc.

That's a lot easier with a bigger image

Having it shrunk into the infobox would defeat the purpose imo

[languid kayak]

but is the image bigger in gallery, or bigger when clicking on it? If the latter, the infobox should support lcicking too

[naive imp]

I mean you can click on images to enlarge them but not e1 is gonna do that

Plus you can put other stuff in gallery too if you want

That way it's all in one place

Also makes pages easier to edit bc a lot of people dont fuck with templatsz

Gallery makes it easier for others to contribute at a low skill floor too

Imo it would be kinda a pointless change to put it in infobox

[languid kayak]

But are the ones in gallery actually bigger? Or maybe it's skin dependent? For legact vector they are actually smaller

Same in Vector 2022

[naive imp]

I guess that's a moot point yeah

I think it's just easier in gallery

[languid kayak]

Might keep both too, if needed. I'm just curious of the multi-image in locations with different floors as we have different models in infoboxes. Though there are few key points indeed

1. Right now infobox don't show in previews for whatever issue
2. The image would have to be pixel-aligned for best effect

[naive imp]

That's another reason why gallery is better imo it doesn't have to be pixel perfect

[proud cobalt]

I knew this would come in handy (Polish by chatgpt as example only, @robust latch if you could provide a turkish translation).

[proud cobalt]

Updated version with pt-br translation by Sarah52 and Turkish by Ksilem

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[lucid junco]

if (Rand.NextBool(0)) {
var3 = Rand.Next(0, 4);
switch (var3) {
case 0:
this.addWorldItem("Base.Orange", this.table1.getSquare(), 0.703F, 0.765F, this.table1.getSurfaceOffsetNoTable() / 96.0F, Rand.Next(0, 360));
break;
case 1:
this.addWorldItem("Base.Banana", this.table1.getSquare(), 0.703F, 0.765F, this.table1.getSurfaceOffsetNoTable() / 96.0F, Rand.Next(0, 360));
break;
case 2:
this.addWorldItem("Base.Apple", this.table1.getSquare(), 0.703F, 0.765F, this.table1.getSurfaceOffsetNoTable() / 96.0F, Rand.Next(0, 360));
break;
case 3:
this.addWorldItem("Base.Coffee2", this.table1.getSquare(), 0.703F, 0.765F, this.table1.getSurfaceOffsetNoTable() / 96.0F, Rand.Next(0, 360));

Uh.. Im usure that this code will run?

Huh, thats weird

[lucid junco]

This definetly looks like a bug

Other times it spawns with 4 items like usual

[lucid junco]

I couldnt get it honestly

Rand.NextBool(ean) is used to generate random number

Then Boolean translates that number to true or false?

Ooh, I see

[digital helm]

Finally getting around to deleting some of these unused files. How do we feel about deleting the unused Hydrocraft icons? They're from 2015... e.g. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:HCBroodbox.png
@languid kayak

[lucid junco]

Im a bit..confused now

This is(nt) a table story?

At least not a preset inside of RBTS

So.. this is from the rbbasic

[digital helm]

so there's 2 versions of "cereal"?

I guess that makes sense... one needs 2 tables, the other just needs a counter?

[lucid junco]

There is "cereal" inside of "breakfast"

And "cereal" inside of base

[digital helm]

just to keep it simple for you

[lucid junco]

Ill just name it "breakfast"

Though its really hard to take pics of different table sets

@quartz bear Is electronic misc guaranteed to spawn via Electronic story or not?

Im a bit confused

[digital helm]

I could be wrong, but it looks to me that Electronics Scrap will always spawn with the electronic story, same with Screwdriver

[lucid junco]

With electronic mag, yes

But there is something wrong with this

Second time I dont find anything within this list

Ah yes, a table

aight

@digital helm There are two sets of RBTSSewing

Should I use Gif to show them, or just show two different sets under one category

[digital helm]

Just use 2 images. Not a fan of gifs, especially for screenshots

Any idea what this is supposed to be a picture of? Apparently it's the old graceful trait icon

[lucid junco]

@digital helm Can you upload socks icon, there are seemingly none on wiki

Nevermind

[digital helm]

there are socks https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Clothing#Socks
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SocksWhite.png
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File:SocksAnkleWhite.png

[lucid junco]

Yep, thanks

they didnt come up upon search, so i thought there were no reference picks

How do can I separate them?

[proud cobalt]

Balet dancer on tip toes

[digital helm]

You'd have to use {{clear}} between them

[digital helm]

oh... I barely see that

[proud cobalt]

Yeah took me a moment

[lucid junco]

Thanks

[digital helm]

thanks, I thought it was a hooded figure sneaking or something

Yeah that could be fine, if it's of the same location. I think we discussed previously using apng instead of gif though

[lucid junco]

unreal

There is no way that Im going to find two same spawns without going crazy

Unless there is a way to spawn them manually

Finally found dinner

[naive imp]

🚮

[lucid junco]

Still no soup though...

[proud cobalt]

You can definetly spawn stories, not sure about these though

[lucid junco]

Area/vehicle stories - yes
Table stories - idk

Maybe you can, but there is no button like for others

[languid kayak]

I've been keeping them since they are already there, I guess they won't add that many mainteneance burden, Hydrocraft is kinda history nowadays 😄

[digital helm]

I wasn't able to spawn the profession ones. The basic seems to be random. I guess it spawns whatever it can near the player

[digital helm]

Would you be against deleting them? I feel like they're just going to sit there unused forever if not

[languid kayak]

It works, added that now, thanks! I just slightly modified the links to avoid possible mystery meat navigation (Google doesn't like it either) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_meat_navigation#"Click_here", Turkish @robust latch and Portugese @tough depot could use update 😛 being

Also updated Polish while at it, see https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Project_Zomboid_Wiki/pl&uselang=pl&useskin=citizen

[lucid junco]

The profession ones?

Never seen or heard of them

[languid kayak]

Friendly note APNGs are fine, but yeah 😛 https://caniuse.com/apng https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:Faalagorn/.w

[digital helm]

Electrician, Carpenter, etc.

[lucid junco]

And I think that random ones dont matter

[languid kayak]

Yes, it's an image of ballerina's feet

[lucid junco]

If we are to add rooms to the wiki - they should go there

Because its just a list of items that can spawn in each room

[languid kayak]

Not sure 🤔 Maybe they can be deleted actually, they are all in https://github.com/brosseaualex/Hydrocraft/tree/master/media/textures anyway

[lucid junco]

How can I see this menu in game?

Oh, nvm

[proud cobalt]

Hmm i guess non articles dont have a language code on them unless we put them manually. Articles without one default to /en so it shows the correct footer, but templates and other namespaces don't so they have the Footer not translated line. Would we prefer to just leave this or just switch default to the basic english footer? @digital helm @languid kayak

[digital helm]

I think default to the English is fine. I don't think the "no translation" line is needed

We can include it in the translation guide

[proud cobalt]

Sounds good to me

[lucid junco]

Quite neat for building stories, no need to run around trying to find one

Means that I just need to run around trying to find table stories

[digital helm]

I've changed the default to en. @languid kayak fyi

[digital helm]

I assumed this was how you were doing it 😄

[lucid junco]

They are either require certain room to spawn in, or dont have any loot attached

[proud cobalt]

Cheers

[languid kayak]

is GigaMart supposed to be in two categories here?

Retail and

Grocery & liquor stores

[lucid junco]

Nope

It only spawns in Kate and Bob scenario

I mean It could, if it was enabled

Oooh, nwm

It can spawn in normal game

[languid kayak]

I guess this should be sentence case https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_Terminal_Substation similar to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Louisville_industrial_substation ?

[proud cobalt]

Should just be in grocery i think

[proud cobalt]

Yeah sentence case

[languid kayak]

Not a proper name I guess? Or is it? We're mostly sentence case anyway, except item names pretty much

and traits

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Markson_%26_Co. – is the dot part of the name? (link may not work)

Gonna make redirects for pages ending with a period else discord links won't work 😄

This one OTOH doesn't end with a full stop https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Commander_Publishing_Inc

I made redirect, so should work, but otherwise it skips the trailing period 😄

hm

and clicking it leads me to https://pzwiki.net/w/index.php?title=Markson_%26_Co&redirect=no

[languid kayak]

the main image in infobox is supposed to be the one covering full building with structure I pressume? E.g., in this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Fossoil_Field the image from gallery should be used, right? What to do with the remaining ones showcasing just the entrance/logo/banner? Should it moved to gallery? Removed? Most pages done by Ikip had just the logos (mostly LV stuff) but the new ones seem to have buildings following merging buildings with locations infoboxes?

Similar, in https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Drag_Racing a whole track image should be used in the infobox, right?

Pinging @naive imp for opinion, but anyone's free to throw their ideas 😛

[restive adder]

I've applied a bugfix release to the citizen theme, let me know if anything breaks @proud cobalt

[languid kayak]

seems it fixed the line height, at least for me 😛

or maybe not

seems the line height works, but only when width is not 100vw

[naive imp]

Usually yes, a photo of the entire area should be used, but drag racing is an exception considering the track itself has barely any loot in it.

Fossoil field should use the large Isometric view in gallery.

Logos go in the logo slot of infobox

[languid kayak]

I can change it beforehand and then change to 100vw, then it's applied

[languid kayak]

straight logos yeah, but the logo closeups? The latter image doesn't show the whole field, instead just a logo on the wall

[naive imp]

Logo closeups should be deleted as they're redundant and serve no purpose usually. Unless the strip mall is crazy big then I decide case by case whether to include the whole strip mall or just the logo closeup. This is especially prevalent in Louisville which is why we have so many cleanups to do

Ikip was never a fan of neatness it seems

[languid kayak]

yeah, I noticed that most are LV

(luckily ;P)

As it means they should mostly be picked up during a LV cleanup job

[naive imp]

Yeah once I'm done with Crossroads I'll probably do Louisville next

I was Co sidering doe Valley first but lv is probably higher priority

[languid kayak]

I'm slowly finishing going through all the pages adding captions and fixing minor issues down the road, may take a break soon, but should finish it later. After that gonna update the location boilerplate so we hopfully have that set up 🙂

Kinda sidetracked from what I originally planned to do but well 😄

[restive adder]

https://github.com/StarCitizenTools/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/releases/tag/v2.12.0 release notes

included bugfix

mediawiki: 🐛 image clipping in packed gallery

[languid kayak]

Should this https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Auto_repair_shop_(Muldraugh) be renamed to simply "Auto shop (Muldraugh)" similar to the https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Auto_shop_(Rosewood)?

[robust latch]

Yeah, would be better for english users imo.

[languid kayak]

If so, and none's against, I'm gonna rename it when I get back in a half hour or so 😛

[lucid junco]

I think yes