mod_development

[frank elbow]

I'm trying to create a sound dynamically

So that wouldn't really help

[calm depot]

what do you mean by "dynamically"

you're trying to generate the bytes of a wav file at runtime?

[frank elbow]

Programmatically

Yes

[calm depot]

heh, you'd need filesystem access is my bet

[frank elbow]

Yeah, I figured. Asked about temporary files for that reason but, again, I doubt we can do that

[calm depot]

I'm not so sure

I see there's a getFileWriter

[frank elbow]

Oh yeah, I remember someone asking about writing files not long ago 🤦🏾‍♂️ maybe that is viable then

[faint jewel]

why would that recipe not work?

[frank elbow]

Thanks! I'll look into that

[calm depot]

a command line and grep are your best friend

@frank elbow the Java code uses a PrintWriter class, give it a try but I bet you're gonna have a bad time

specifically because PrintWriter works on text so I bet it's going to corrupt any binary data you pass in

[frank elbow]

I searched this channel & people seemed to have had luck with FileWriter, but I'm concerned that when I try to play a sound it will accept only a filename and not a path

Considering mod sound files are expected to be in the sound subfolder

Only one way to find out though

[calm depot]

sure, I'm sure it will, which is why you'll need to write it to your mod's media\sound path or whatever it is

that is, if using an arbitrary path doesn't work, anyway

[frank elbow]

I figured the game would've loaded those in beforehand, huh. If not, that would be the way to do it

[calm depot]

have you looked at SoundBanks.lua?

that seems to have logic for managing them

[glossy sequoia]

I would LOVE to have something similar to the mod "Fear The Sun" where zombies during the day are slow and easy, but during the night, that's when they become hard, sprinters and there's many many more of them

It would make it feel more like Dying Light

[faint jewel]

sigh

[frank elbow]

I'll take a look, thanks

[mint sphinx]

is there a easy way to get a single item all its properties?

[undone crag]

Hello is there a way to get a list of the players on the server?

[faint jewel]

okay so recipe is working.... now i need to get it to actually SHOW my sprite

the recipe works and gives me the furniture item. the world sprite does not.

[junior flame]

is your .tiles file in the root of media?

[drifting ore]

Hello, I'm 1 step away from finishing my mod, but I got stuck in a detailer that involves multiplier. Can someone help me?

[mint sphinx]

you can always ask?

[junior flame]

double check that your worldobjectsprite name is correct in the .pack viewer in tilezed

i'm not seeing anything obvious that's jumping out at me as a problem

[faint jewel]

what do you mean?

the gid is 0 so it should be basemovable_0 but alas no love.

[mint sphinx]

go into tools -> .pack files -> pack viewer

and then see what the spirte name is called

[junior flame]

yeah, what tiba said, at least this way you can rule that out

[faint jewel]

omg. THAT'S WHERE IT SHOWS THE NAME?

thanks a ton. that is SUPER helpful lol.

(was something COMPLETELY different there.

[junior flame]

some things that should be easy are obscure, zomboid modding in a nutshell

[mint sphinx]

^^ also there is a way to rename them kind of but yea i spends tons of hours around that tileeditor my self and not lot of the error form that xD

[junior flame]

hehe

[faint jewel]

hmmm it placed it, but it wont rotate.

[drifting ore]

Please, I'm trying to make a mod I made for single player, also work in MP.

How do I inform the server, and all other players, that a change has been made to an object's parameters, for example door:setIsLocked(true)?

[faint jewel]

it has all 4 sides. y u no rotate?!

[junior flame]

this is a tiledefinitions problem - make sure your four sprites have the same customname and groupname, but change their facing to the correct direction, and then make their item(full name) to something like boxcrapNorth, boxcrapSouth, etc. for each of the four sprites

[faint jewel]

they all have the same group and custom name...

no no item full name okay....

[weary matrix]

maybe try this:

door:syncIsoObject(false, 3, nil, nil)```

[drifting ore]

ty

lemme try it

[weary matrix]

@drifting ore if not locked with a key you might want to try 4 instead of 3

[ripe warren]

Hey. Trying to make my first mod, I am looking at other peoples mods to understand how its done and the modding wiki

I have one question so far. Theres a list on the wiki for item variables

but I have not found a list for vehicle item variables

I am looking at this one mod that adds a Buss that you can upgrade. I am trying to figure out how these upgrade items work

for example there is a front armor piece and it has a variable "ataProtection" set for Engine door

is this is a variable made by the mod or is this something that comes with the game?

the 3 main things I want to do that I am not sure is possible so far:

Make armor plating for cars that will get damaged before the car parts its covering

Make a snow plow for a car that will lower the slowdown when hitting zombies and protect the front of the car

Front spikes and side spikes that will deal stab damage (damage would be relative to car speed, would need its own hitbox, at least for the side blades)

can I do these things out of the box or will I need lua scripting for any of this?

[ripe warren]

As I am studying this mod I noticed the way they do protection is that whenever a car bodypart gets damaged beyond 50% it gets repaired back to 100% and the "armor" gets its condition lowered

thats a very interesting way of doing it but I guess it saves a lot of trouble with hitboxes and stuff

now I just need to figure out how they did that

[drifting ore]

Just go in media/scripts/vehicules and you will find all variables

Other wise here is the class of vehicule, you should be able to find out when the car takes damage in there
https://zomboid-javadoc.com/41.65/zombie/vehicles/BaseVehicle.html

[upper junco]

Is there a way to remove certain crafting recipes from a mod? Don't want to reupload it just overwrite what's there a little if possible

[ripe warren]

thank you

[drifting ore]

If you are in solo yes, in mp no. You will need a new mod

[upper junco]

Right, but I guess I would like to make a mod to tweak the other mod. I have done it for distributions but when I try to do recipes the same way it doesn't seem to work for me

[drifting ore]

You can just copy paste the mod and remove the recipe in the script folder, just ask the creator or at least subscribe to his mod and put a like

[willow estuary]

It's not the most elegant solution, but I've resigned myself to using an altered version of the original recipe .txt file for such patches.

You can patch mods using the require field in mod info, it's pretty simple.

Well, you could also modify the recipe script to make it impossible to know/perform 😄

[upper junco]

I think thats what i'm missing then so if i require the original then rename the the modified recipee file the same name as the oringinal then it should overwrite

[willow estuary]

Bingo! Like I say, not always the best solution, but sometimes the only feasible one?

[upper junco]

Nice, thanks again Blair and MrBounty

[mint sphinx]

is there an easy way to get an item and see all its properties / settings ?

i mean attributes?

[drifting ore]

There goes another 2 hours of pure frustration.
I think I completely missed the class on how client/server communication is done...
Other modders make it look so easy that little is found on the subject.
All I need is to communicate to other clients the changes being made to an object.
So that everyone is "synchronized" with the parameters of such

[mint sphinx]

i know what fiiling lina

[long grove]

look at the item code tiba?

[mint sphinx]

i do in few ways

[mint sphinx]

technical speaking im looking into recipes and not items ^^ but almost the same

[autumn torrent]

Does anybody know how to update the sandbox settings while in-game in realtime? I know there's a mod, "Change Sandbox Settings", that lets you change the sandbox settings while in-game, but it doesn't update until the save is reloaded.

[mint sphinx]

@willow estuary do you know if you can give an item a custom attribute? like this

item foo{
foobar = "bar",
}

[faint jewel]

foo=bar item is foobar always 😛

[mint sphinx]

just easy to use foo and foobar bar as abstract question because all the them ^^

[echo leaf]

Just havent updated it yet.

Was waiting for Blacksmithing to be fully functional on MP (furnace doesnt update correctly quite yet) before I updated the patch to work with latest Smithing and BRITAs.

[bitter frigate]

can anybody point me toward a tutorial that would help with creating a new need/status? i've found lots of tutorials for new professions and traits, but nothing like what i'm looking for

[faint jewel]

hmmm getting there... just gotta make it so it can be powered and the be required to be near to craft.

[mint sphinx]

@quasi geode when you here plz pm me got a huge problem

[mint sphinx]

love that texture

[faint jewel]

okay so i can craft it and place it but i can't pick it up??

[mint sphinx]

add modData moveable = true

[faint jewel]

it goes through the whole pickup and then nothing.

where would that be?

[mint sphinx]

did you also have pickupable = true ?

[faint jewel]

is that in tiles or the script?

[mint sphinx]

tile i think

you can find it in the properties

[faint jewel]

i dont see pickable= true :/

[mint sphinx]

blockplacement

[faint jewel]

yeah that's checked.

[mint sphinx]

hmm

can i see you properties?

[faint jewel]

this stuff?

[mint sphinx]

good question hmm

[oak rover]

i'm willing to hire a modder for a small project. i'm not sure if anyone here is interested, but DM if so

[faint jewel]

i can stream what i'm seeing.... if you wan to take a look.

[north junco]

Question; What do you guys consider the easiest type of mod to make, and why?

[mint sphinx]

things to eat and drink only few items files with some tags and then add it to a loot table

[north junco]

I'll look into it! I've wanted to contribute to the mod scene, but I've found it difficult to start, and I want to kind of dip my toes into it.

What about recipes? It'd be fun to make a Chicken Nugget recipe using flour, eggs and chicken.

[faint jewel]

recipes would be pretty easy provided the ingredients are already ingame. you would just need an item icon then.

[north junco]

There is already a Chicken Nugget item, so it'd just be adding the recipe itself.

Might be a good place to start 😛

[mint ledge]

look y'all idk where i go but im tryna make a true music addon but it literally requires itself

[viscid elbow]

Taking a look through the code, looks like you should be able to replace a recipe with getScriptManager():getRecipe('recipeName'):Load("recipeName", table of key/value strings here)
That table should look something like vals = {"StopOnWalk: true", "AllowDestroyedItem: true"}

[cold burrow]

How to name context menu string to get access to it in ContextMenu_EN so it will be possible to translate it later?

[rich obsidian]

Trying to get a food item that has a couple of uses per item
Do ya'll know if you have can a type Food with multiple uses. Seems like ol' Bob wants to eat the whole thing rather than the use UseDelta portion. So I'm guessing the UseDelta is not for when you snack on it, or is for a particular type of food.

[lyric jungle]

something is amiss

[mild pond]

Nope man its just how its supposed to be

[vapid wind]

Would it be possible to create a mod that audobans people for a set time from a multiplayer server for a set time?

[mild pond]

Yea its called hiring an actual person to do it for ya

Nah just kidding

I think it should be posible to mod the server layout so it counts user play time or inactivity, and a simple ip blocker

Mixed maybe it can do what you expect

[drifting ore]

Example of my mod:

ContextMenu_EN = {
    ContextMenu_Cut_Arm = "Cut arm",
    ContextMenu_Operate_Arm = "Operate arm",
} 

After that depends if you want to access it from lua or from a script

[vapid wind]

would it be easer to use an ip blocker or to build a little program that will type the /whitelist command after a set time set but a human

[mild pond]

Yea well i mean its a simpler option, but if you mod the server layout you can do more than just unban people

[vapid wind]

what do you mean by mod the server layout?

[mild pond]

Maybe i explained it wrong

Im sorry im not that good with english

[cold burrow]

From lua. Just trying to rewrite a bit one mod so i could translate it for myself and also get some experience how to create context menu.

[vapid wind]

no worries, going to try to ask everywhere and see if i can even pay someone to make the mod

[mild pond]

Aw man, guess ill have to learn how to mod Project Zomboid in record time

[drifting ore]

If from lua, I put it in UI_EN.txt. But I think that change nothing

[cold burrow]

And in lua how's your string looks like for ContextMenu_Cut_Arm, is it just Cut_Arm?

[drifting ore]

Hmmmmm, ok

[drifting ore]

ContextMenu_Cut_Arm, but I think Cut_Arm work too

[cold burrow]

Thank you as always. :)

[faint jewel]

argh i still can't pick this bastard up.

i can craft it and place it, b ut when i got to pick it back up,,, it does the pickup bar and then nothing happens

[autumn torrent]

youre not getting an error, are you?

[faint jewel]

nope

[fair frost]

Don't drive under influence in West Point kids

[faint jewel]

oh god that cop taxi.

[fair frost]

quiet common

[faint jewel]

oh i know. it's a popular gimmick.

[terse heron]

Hey, I started making my first mod and I added a new item, and script to spawn the item on start, but the item doesn't get added, no errors in console

I checked my code and everything seemed ok

Do you know any reasons why items might not get loaded?

[tardy plaza]

In the game there is a function for searching shelves quickly using shift+scroll wheel with your mouse cursor over your inventory window with shelves to browse. Can I get that function without requiring the mouse over the inventory window? Basically: Shift+scrollwheel=scroll through nearby containers.

The number of times I've wished for this QOL feature is maddening.

[undone crag]

Here's an idea. Maybe I could have the server send each client a command, which each client replies to with its own player number, and then the server sends each client a list of player numbers.

[faint jewel]

that should be good for a new microwave right?

[lyric jungle]

btw, are there any good tool belt mods??

I want room for my saw and wrench

[faint jewel]

dual fannypacks./

[lyric jungle]

I love the fannypacks, I usually put my cigs in it

but then the lighter has to be redragged in

I code for a living, I should make mods

[drifting ore]

If I were to modify/make a custom zombie NPC

where would I find some references for it?

[opal wind]

guys you know the mods that add bow? like when you shot you see the arrow, i wanted to make a laser pistol, any ideas of how i could do it?

i mean just the projectile thing the weapon is ready

[faint jewel]

copy the bow an arrow, change the art, make the arrow disappear when it hits.

tht's how i would do it at least.

[opal wind]

the bow and arrow of what mod?

[faint jewel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2208315526 that one seems pretty basic

[opal wind]

cool i will check it out thanks

[drifting ore]

dont

iirc the sprite of the arrow is literally like

50+ different sprites

of the arrow in different orientations

Its so inefficient lol

[opal wind]

what you recomend me ?

[opal wind]

yeah i saw it, wow any sugestions?

[icy aspen]

Any idea why tilezed / worlded keep closing randomly with no warning?

[hidden estuary]

odd question: what vibe this giving off? -6 points? -8?

[vapid lotus]

-6

[lyric jungle]

anyone else like to horde jewelry?

[faint jewel]

all of it.

[lyric jungle]

like a dragon

oh shoot wrong chat sorry

so which coding languages does project zomboid work in?

[quick hornet]

Javascript or Java, can't remember which one but know that they aren't anything alike

[viscid elbow]

Java and lua

[drifting ore]

I think its actual Java and not JS

JS is easier to learn but imo its kinda buggy

[opal wind]

hey kaise you told me not to use that mod as reference, and i agree, but what is the alternative?

[drifting ore]

No clue

I have very surface level knowledge of how PZ Lua and Java works

[drifting ore]

woman drives into horde, breaking the car, and possibly all the loot her team mates put into the car.

[hidden estuary]

anyone knows if I can override the player's gender on spawn? or a way to lock the gender option on the character creation

[zenith smelt]

How do I check if a fileExists in lua folder?

[plucky oxide]

Hi ! What does isClient() mean? It's a solo game ?

opposite of isServer() ?

[split rune]

Where is the world is the documentation for scripting in PZ with LUA

[plucky oxide]

https://github.com/FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events

https://zomboid-javadoc.com/41.65/

[split rune]

thx

[split rune]

also where would I look for vision related stuff?

[drifting ore]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198229348352/myworkshopfiles/?appid=108600

support my workshop \o/

[mint sphinx]

anyone know how to get the defaultModData from an item ?

[west crane]

Does anyone know where the player faction is stored in the IsoPlayer?

[sudden maple]

I had a idea today, just wanted to share. It would be so cool if there would be a mod that adds a big bunker or something like the nest from resident evil 2. But would that be even technically possible to make something so big underground in the game?

[mint sphinx]

i think someone made a basement/bunker mod onces

[drifting ore]

someone floated the idea of a basement system

that used a special "hatch" tile that would teleport you to a room off the map

but idk if it got any further then an idea

[mint sphinx]

ohh so that how he did it ^^

but spirit if htey could make it so it could go - y then i might be able to to it esier but just lot of work.

anyone know how to make an fake inventory and then spawn items into for the only reason to be able to call inventoryitem()getmoddate() ? ^^

[molten elk]

how hard would it be to change the color of the aiming outline?

[mint sphinx]

do any one know how i can make a IMMAGINARY_PLAYER in zomboid ? i need to have a player obj for 2 like 2 sec in my code but he dont have to be a real person.

[pseudo thunder]

whats the difference between min/max range and weapon length on a melee weapon?

[drifting ore]

Could someone please help me with importing weapons into the game? i have the models, and they are textured (in blender) and I did properly scale them and everything. I have not converted them to an X file yet but I know i have to. What would my next step be? Thank you!

[fathom hare]

Hey

Would it be somehow possible to spawn static npcs ingame?

Just plain characters that does nothing, just staying

Kinda like superb survivors, but without interacting etc.

Are there somewhere models that u can actually spawn in?

[crisp fable]

heyya, here's the results of the last few days of hammering at this UI
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2735294987
if you've ever been annoyed at having to create radio presets for new devices all the time, this might help

[drifting ore]

honestly basements would be such an amazing thing in game. I've been making houses of people i know in game through tiled so we can live at home in game too and its just weird making the basement as the "bottom/entry" floor

[drifting ore]

also does anyone know how to go about making a profession/occupation mod?

[hidden junco]

The best way to do it is to find a mod that already does something similar to what you want, subscribe to it and read how it's done in there

Question here: I'm making a zombie disposal feature for when the player is near a campfire. "Kick nearby zombies into the fire". An alternative to putting each corpse in a trash bin and clicking "delete"

The idea is that the zombie IsoObject is removed from the world at this action.
For this I'm trying to getPlayerLoot() , fetching all inventoryPane.inventoryPage.backpacks and then trying to get the zombie IsoObject from the each backpack:getParent().

But it's not working 😭
Can anyone maybe point me in a better direction?

-- Update: I found similar code on the NecroForge mod. In case anyone's interested, it involves isoDeadBody:removeFromWorld() and isoDeadBody:removeFromSquare() .

[bleak grotto]

Hello

local function getInstanceOf(_type, _1, _2, _3, _4, _5, _6, _7, _8, _9, _10)
local args = {_1, _2, _3, _4, _5, _6, _7, _8, _9, _10};
for _, v in ipairs(args) do
if instanceof(v, _type) or type(v) == _type then
return v;
end;
end;
end

[hidden estuary]

there's a Profession Framework in the workshop

[bleak grotto]

what does it mean

[hidden estuary]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1343686691

you can use that framework to easily add new professions

[drifting ore]

ah thank you!

[frank elbow]

This may fit better as a bug report forum post, but I'm not certain because it's not really a game bug & more of an unexpected behavior. I'm trying to write arbitrary bytes to a file, and I accomplished this by using string.char with the integer values of those bytes. However, when I actually write them to a file (with the file writer returned by getModFileWriter), the file has extra null bytes. That is, certain strings of characters are copied as expected, but others have a trailing 0x00 byte

This is likely an encoding issue (both Lua and Java strings are not null terminated, so I don't think it would be anything related to that), but it has me perplexed considering it only happens to some substrings in the bytestring. I've already ruled out it being an issue with the bytestring generation by checking its length before writing

Anyway, what I'm really asking is: is anyone familiar with this issue? If so, is there a workaround? It seems like I'm probably just stuck until this is fixed or an extra method to write a byte array directly is added.

[frank elbow]

I was about to add some extra context from the Java source, but I just remembered you pointed out the likely culprit up here

[drifting stump]

What about it are you confused

[zenith smelt]

how to get real world time?

[wheat cloak]

where are available skin/clothing colors stored?

[undone crag]

That bow and arrow mod changes the model of the arrow item to a different model variant of the same model file for each angle. It uses the same model file for each, but it is used a lot of times. I do not know how efficient this is. I imagine you could do a test to see if loading a high-file size model into the RAM takes up ram proportional to the number of times the model file is references. I think Kaiser was probably just guessing when he said it was inefficient.
You could instead look at how the game renders the items when you are choosing where to place them on a table. You can specify the rotation of the model rendered. One way to get the render function called is to attach it to the UI, but then it moves with the screen slightly which may not be what you want if you want it anchored to the world instead of the UI. You may or may not find something anchored to the world of tiles that has its render called.

[oak rover]

i've been looking but i can't imagine there's a guide out there to navigate Profession Framework. i'm trying to add a couple basic professions to my server but this lua can be really daunting.

[rain pumice]

@drifting ore your github has a repeated link in your FAQ section btw

[rain pumice]

I think you should be able to use os.time() ...maybe?

[undone crag]

fragMOTION can do that.

[undone crag]

This is not an answer to your question, it's instead a warning. The item's stats are saved in the saved data between game game sessions, so to see them update you may need to generate a new item instance for each test, or use debug mode which lets you edit the item stats.

[undone crag]

On a recent version of the game, yes. On a more recent version, yes but you and the npc go invisible. In the most recent version, not tested by me. You can look at the superb survivor code to see how it creates an NPC and gives it orders. Some advice, you should give it orders in its own update rather than the player's update.

[undone crag]

One way is you could get a model for what you want, and then render it like how the hovering items you are placing on a table are rendered.

[undone crag]

If you are on multiplayer as a client, isClient() returns true. On singleplayer, both isclient and isserver return false.

[willow estuary]

This is how I spawn in npcs to test stuff, it does not work for MP or testing MP features, entering test_npc_spawn() into the debug console will spawn a npc test to the player in SP however.

function test_npc_spawn(square, outfit)
    if not square then square = getPlayer():getSquare() end
    local isFemale = false
    if ZombRand(2)==0 then isFemale = true end
    local desc = SurvivorFactory.CreateSurvivor(SurvivorType.Neutral, isFemale)    
        local outfits = getAllOutfits(isFemale)
        local nameOutfit = outfits:get(ZombRand(outfits:size()))
        desc:dressInNamedOutfit(nameOutfit)
    if outfit then desc:dressInNamedOutfit(outfit) end
    local npc = IsoPlayer.new(getWorld():getCell(), desc, square:getX()-1, square:getY()-1, square:getZ())
    npc:setSceneCulled(false)
    npc:setNPC(true)
    npc:setGodMod(false)
    npc:setInvisible(false)
    npc:faceThisObject(getPlayer())
    return npc
end

[undone crag]

To lock the option, using Lua, you could either overwrite the code generating that whole menu screen, or just let it create the gender button and then hide or delete it.

[hidden estuary]

I could probably try that but its probably not worth the effort

I just wanted to make a Valkyrie profession, figured it would be funny if the profession required a female character

but that would be purely fluff, u know?

[undone crag]

(You might also want to hook something on to a random button if it randomises the gender too)

[rain pumice]

{
    sound HeadSmash
    {
        category = Zombie,
        clip
        {
            file = media/sound/smash2.ogg,
        }
    }```

will this work?

I'm trying to replace the headsmash sound but also keep the OG one

should I just add other lines with the pz_headsmash one

[undone crag]

@hidden estuary
Code like this (plus something for random, plus testing in case initial randomisation happens after this point) might work.

do
    local CharacterCreationHeader_create = CharacterCreationHeader.create
    function CharacterCreationHeader:create()
        CharacterCreationHeader.create(self);
        self.genderCombo:setVisible(false);
        MainScreen.instance.avatar:setFemale(true);
        MainScreen.instance.desc:setFemale(true);
    end
end

[mint sphinx]

need it for mp :/

[hidden estuary]

oh damn

thank you, I'll try that

[undone crag]

Lua coding for me has a lot of debugging my failed code though so this may not work if some of it is being called at the wrong time :d

[rain pumice]

Can you help me

I'm new to this modding thing and I'm just trying to figure out where can I find the "module Base"

I just see all sound mods referring to it but I just wanna find out what else I can use it for

[undone crag]

do
    local CharacterCreationHeader_onOptionMouseDown = CharacterCreationHeader.onOptionMouseDown
    function CharacterCreationHeader:onOptionMouseDown(button, x, y)
        CharacterCreationHeader_onOptionMouseDown(self, button, x, y)
        if button.internal == "RANDOM" then
            MainScreen.instance.avatar:setFemale(true)
            MainScreen.instance.desc:setFemale(true)
        end
    end
end

Also this should or may work for the randomise button changing the gender.

[hidden estuary]

[undone crag]

Module base is the base game, not a mod.

[rain pumice]

I figured but then it just means that I'll be replacing base game stuff by calling the base module

[undone crag]

What do you mean by calling the base module?

Ohhhh

[rain pumice]

module Base

[undone crag]

The Lua should have something so that it only does these if you actually have the Valkyrie profession.

Did you accidentally module base?

[rain pumice]

no no

I was just trying to add new headsmash sounds

but I ended up replacing the OG one

I don't hear it anymore lol

maybe I used a wrong file name

[undone crag]

What do you mean by call though? I know what module base is but not what you mean when you say you call it, also what is OG what do you mean eeeeeeee

[rain pumice]

original

lol

[undone crag]

Oh sounds. I have not looked into the new sound system. :s

[rain pumice]

yeah no no worries

[mint sphinx]

do you know then if its possible to spawn a imagenary_backpack with an item?
what i have to do in the script is do somehow get a items defaultModData and im so lost in how to get that data in a lua script with out spawning the item

[undone crag]

What is defaultModData? o_o

[mint sphinx]

something the java code doing for one ^^

[mint sphinx]

with other words all the attribute the items normal dont have *

[undone crag]

Is that always an empty table, like {} in lua?

[mint sphinx]

good question i dont know i only know if i do item foo{ foo = bar, } that this attribute get added to the defaultmoddata but you cant call item:getModData nor getDefaultModData because the item call dont have a get

but it does get generated just trying to find a way to get that data

[undone crag]

foo = bar,
}```Is this in a text file in \scripts?

[mint sphinx]

yea

[undone crag]

Oh apparently there are these things I did not know of too. void copyConditionModData(InventoryItem other)
void CopyModData(KahluaTable DefaultModData)

[mint sphinx]

copy moddata to the inventory. hint why i ask fot imagenary inventory

[undone crag]

Is this for a schizophrenia mod? :O

[mint sphinx]

if the item is in the iventory

no

[undone crag]

:o

[bitter frigate]

i'm BRAND NEW to LUA so this is a really basic question BUT i want to create a new variable that causes the player to take damage when it falls outside of a predetermined range. i can figure out the damage part i THINK but the beginning is perplexing me. is it as simple as starting with

NewVariableFunctions = {}

and then going on to create a block WITH the functions?

[mint sphinx]

its for a framework im doing

[undone crag]

What do you mean by a variable that causes something?

[bitter frigate]

uuuuh okay maybe i'm not articulating it well? but basically i want to set a value that increases over time and once it passes certain point it begins to damage the player. i'm a total novice so my wording may not be correct, sorry

[undone crag]

Oh, when the variable falls outside of the range. I thought you meant when the player falls from too high up. :d

[bitter frigate]

😂 no not quite

[undone crag]

Hmm well to avoid increasing the namespace you could do something like this

NewVariableFunctions = {}
local NewVariableFunctions = NewVariableFunctions
NewVariableFunctions.Your_Variable = 1337
NewVariableFunctions.OnPlayerUpdate = function (player)
--some lua code here
end
--Something adding your function to an event

(Farewell)

[faint jewel]

anyone know how to make a recipe require you to need to be near a movable?

NearItem:ABench_Smelter, that was easier than i thought lol.

[willow estuary]

Near Item is currently fucked; NearItem requires the object to be "Named" with a java function, and doesn't work for tiles above z-level 0; it's not useful.

function CanFindKeyCuttingMachine(recipe, playerObj)
    local KeyCuttingMachine = nil
    KeyCuttingMachine = FindAppliance(playerObj, "Duplication Machine")
    if KeyCuttingMachine then square = KeyCuttingMachine:getSquare() end
    if square and (getGameTime():getNightsSurvived() < getSandboxOptions():getElecShutModifier())  and not square:isOutside() then
        power = true
    end    
    if square and square:haveElectricity() then power = true    end
    if (not KeyCuttingMachine) then    power = false    end
    if power then return true end    
    return false    
end

function FindAppliance(player, Appliance)
    local station = nil
    local CustomName = nil
    local cell = player:getCell() 
    local x, y, z = player:getX(), player:getY(), player:getZ()
    local xx, yy, zz
    for xx =-1,1 do 
        for yy =-1,1 do
            local square = cell:getGridSquare(x+xx, y+yy, z)
            if square then
                local objects = square:getObjects()
                for index=0, objects:size()-1 do
                    local object = objects:get(index)  
                    if object:getProperties():Val("CustomName") then
                        CustomName = object:getProperties():Val("CustomName")
                        if CustomName:contains(Appliance) or Appliance:contains(CustomName) then
                            station = object
                            return station
                        end
                    end
                end                
            end
        end
    end
    return station
end

[faint jewel]

?

[willow estuary]

I use the above lua with this script, which uses OnCanPerform which was added as NearItem is broken, to "fake" how NearItem is supposed to work,

    recipe Duplicate House Key
    {
    Sound:Metalwork1,
    keep Key1/Key2/Key3/Key4/Key5,
    BlankHouseKey,
    Result:Key1,
    Time:500,
    OnCanPerform:CanFindKeyCuttingMachine,
    OnCreate:Duplicate_Key,
    Tooltip:Requires a Powered Key Duplication Machine.,
    Prop1:Source=1,
    Category:Welding,
    SkillRequired:MetalWelding=1,
    }

Sorry, it's disorganized as I was pulling files up and copying the relevant lua.

[rain pumice]

I'm starting to give up on actual modding because it seems you need to know java too

[faint jewel]

oh hell.

[willow estuary]

I don't know java? 🤷

[rain pumice]

really?

I learned lua for 2 weeks but when I try to reverse engineer a mod I don't understand anything I'm looking at and I get frustrated lol

[willow estuary]

Technically, I don't even know lua? 😄

[rain pumice]

damn

[faint jewel]

i don't know how to luau?

[willow estuary]

I just play with the lego pieces until it works the way I want it to really? 😄

[crisp fable]

if you feel overwhelmed maybe start with smaller mods, i dont think you need java unless you're making some really big gamechanging mod - which you shouldn't so soon

[bitter frigate]

thank you so much! this helps me understand what i'm doing a little better :)

[rain pumice]

It's true, I'm not trying to give up

It is just so overwhelming at first lol

I'm doing simple stuff like just adding new sounds and stuff

[crisp fable]

thats normal. sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something

[bitter frigate]

it's SO overwhelming but i'm finding a lot of utility in looking at the code for mods from the workshop for help figuring out how code SHOULD look

[winged lotus]

Good evening fellow modders, I have a question for you: Is there a way easily add a simple checkbox option without relying on a dependency with "ModOptions"?
I know you can easily add keybindings in a few code lines like that:

table.insert(keyBinding, { value = "[MyMod]" } );
table.insert(keyBinding, { value = "Text for Option", key = 24 } );
Events.OnKeyPressed.Add(MyMod.handleKeyPressed);

I was wondering what is the equivalent of this table.insert to add boolean checkboxes?

[mint sphinx]

Why reverse engineer things?

[rain pumice]

just trying to see what does what

[oak rover]

same here, i download lots of mods and try to replicate the code and i still can't figure it out. the modding community is great but the support is bad.

[rain pumice]

Support is fine, people here are really helpful

it's just that there's not a lot of resources for like "beginners"

[oak rover]

correct, i should have clarified that. the tools are there, but not much explanation on using them.

[crimson hull]

i tried starting my server and it said, workshop version is different from hosts or something like that

[sour island]

What mod are you trying to reverse egineer?

[crimson hull]

id like to know which mod at least???

[oak rover]

it tells you in the error usually

upon login

[crimson hull]

it doesnt

[sour island]

Lua is pretty straight forward, unless the person writes everything on one line

[oak rover]

regardless, just verify your game files on steam library and/or restart the server to update whichever mod is outdated

[sour island]

if you're the host you need to also delete your ACF file

[crimson hull]

thats it

[oak rover]

try that same solution i mentioned above. i use a dedicated server, so that might be the difference here

[sour island]

Are you the host or a connecting player?

[crimson hull]

host

[sour island]

Do you have any mods youve written yourself?

[crimson hull]

nah

[sour island]

Go to your workshop page for subscribed items

sort by last updated

[crisp fable]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/42925-how-to-fix-updated-mods-in-build-41-multiplayer/
this seems more about using mods than making them tho, you might have better luck in other channels

[sour island]

and resub to anything that's updated in the last week

if the issue isn't your end, then your server may need to get it's ACF deleted and rebooted

[crimson hull]

i see

[oak rover]

on a dedi server, you still have to verify your game files to push the update that Steam never does appropriately even if you're the host/owner

[crimson hull]

ill try

[oak rover]

resubbing works but less effective IMO

sometimes it doesn't push

[sour island]

resubbing works for players/self-hosts

[crimson hull]

ill try it

[sour island]

I think dedis would need the ACF deleted

[crimson hull]

if i resub a mod

and i had something of that mod in the inventory

before

is it gone now?

[sour island]

only if you load the save inbetween

[crimson hull]

okay

ill try if it worked

[sour island]

you should not have the game running to update files anyway

same applies for a server

[crimson hull]

hm?

how to disable?

[sour island]

?

[crimson hull]

or what do u mean

[oak rover]

close the game before you resub mods

[sour island]

you shouldn't have the game running while resubbing either way

[crimson hull]

ah

[oak rover]

with regards to the lua discussion earlier, i'm trying to use the profession framework mod to create my own professions, however, the issue with people unfamiliar with lua, even with what is explained in the notepad, it's literally programming gibberish. i have no idea how to tailor it to myself specifically without a coherent guide. that's the biggest hurdle i have every time i want to modify a mod

[crimson hull]

it worked

thank you

[bitter frigate]

are there any mods (off the top of your head) that create custom moodles beside immersive medicine??

[oak rover]

there's one that spreads zombie infection to nearby players when someone is infected if that's similar

[bitter frigate]

i wouldnt quite call it gibberish, but it's pretty difficult to write ur own code (at least for zomboid) in lua for ME because i often dont know the names for the operations i want to do, or the name for things i want to reference. the library of terms on the wiki really helped me in that regard

[sour island]

CAPI / Aiteron have a moodleAPI

[oak rover]

true. i have a tendency to just replicate/modify code from mods that already exist, but even then, i still can't seem to understand what i need to do specifically, unless explained plainly

[sour island]

Also a perk/trait/profession API

might be easier than the framework?

https://github.com/Konijima/PZ-Community-API

[bitter frigate]

could you link this? ive tried googling it and keep getting some website CALLED moodle :\

[sour island]

It's what I linked above

[bleak grotto]

attemped index: new of non-table: null

[sour island]

The profession stuff hasn't been merged yet: https://github.com/Konijima/PZ-Community-API/pull/56

[bleak grotto]

how do i solve this problem

[sour island]

You're trying to access something that isn't there

X.new() or X:new() - what ever X is, it's not there

[bitter frigate]

oh god i see it now. thank you

[glad portal]

does hydrocraft lags the game every 5 seconds due to 55 milions items it adds?

[faint jewel]

is it possible to feed a variable to a lua function via OnCanPerform ?

[sour island]

Also switch the branch to dev for moodle/latest stuff.

[sour island]

OnCanPerform is ran for context menu and every tick the crafting is being attempted

OnCreate is ran once when completed

fyi

[faint jewel]

yeah, i'm trying to make a generalized function but i need to know if i can feed a variable to it.

function CanFindWantedMachine(recipe, playerObj, WantedMachine)

i need to be able to feed it the WantedMachine

[sour island]

uh, depends on what the wanted machine is suppoosed to be?

[faint jewel]

i'm modifying Blair Algol's function to fix the NearItem to be a generalized one.

[sour island]

there's a specific set of parameters for oncanperform - you can't feed it your own without editing the java side of things afaik, but you can search for something in oncanperform

[faint jewel]

so the lua fuction has to be specific.

[sour island]

wasn't nearItem replaced by something?

[sour island]

only the parameters - once inside the function you can look for what you need

I assume you want recipes to check for nearby objects for crafting?

[faint jewel]

yeah, basically a z corrected nearitem.

[sour island]

iirc scrap armor/weapons has benches - maybe check out how they do it

[bitter frigate]

so im in the dev branch but i cant figure out how to open the moodle api? im SUPER unfamiliar with github, sorry

[sour island]

so the project isn't released yet - so you'd have to actually just copy the moodle API's functions

[bitter frigate]

no no i get that! i just. can't find it.

[sour island]

https://github.com/Konijima/PZ-Community-API/tree/dev/Contents/mods/CommunityAPI/media/lua/client/MoodleAPI

[faint jewel]

well shit. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2680473910 that's the whole mod i was making 😦

[sour island]

Yeah, always a good idea to search for your idea first lol

[faint jewel]

i just wanted to make art. and then make it work :/

[sour island]

in game painting?

[faint jewel]

made a home sized smelter.

[sour island]

dang

[quasi geode]

doesnt get any easier then the framework. but you still need to know lua basics: how to call a function and how to define a table...also basic pz modding XD

[sour island]

That's actually a cool idea - I don't think he has a smelter does he?

[faint jewel]

he does. industrial sized.

red is the smelter. blue is what i was doing next :/

[drifting ore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2735677164

more mods

[sour island]

Well, his mod is a "framework" also - so you could make a submod using his as a requirement?

[sour island]

I haven't used any of the framework mods for professions/skills but I figured if that one was hard Aiteron's might be differently formatted.

[faint jewel]

his "framework" is pretty much what i was doing lol.

[drifting stump]

well speaking of frameworks i just released one XD

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2735579575

[drifting ore]

pog

[drifting stump]

everything is documented in the pinned post

[sour island]

Yeah but if you have a variation for smelters that might be easier / different I'm sure it'd be good

[drifting stump]

currently extends the base radial menu and the vehicle one will keep extending all the games radial menus

[faint jewel]

i'm looking through his... and it's actually VERY good.

[drifting stump]

emote radial probably next

[rain pumice]

I'm just confused on how people use "GET"

I thought you couldn't

couldn't call a lua function that way

[crisp fable]

@drifting stump that seems really interesting! I was just the other day wondering why there isn't an removeSlice in ISRadialMenu, does this mean i could get that behavior by using your mod?

[drifting stump]

depends

i havent added removeSlice yet

thinking about how to make it as efficient as possible with the given vanilla limits

but depending on the behavior you likely can already

[crisp fable]

ah okay, i saw the "Deleting Slices More Effeciently" disclaimer and assumed there is an inefficient way already 😄

[drifting stump]

there is

the vanilla way is wiping the whole menu and filling it again with everything

[crisp fable]

ah, figures

[drifting stump]

if you wish to disable something permanently the api already allows that

just unregister it

you could also override the slice

[faint jewel]

man that sucks. why'd he have to make it SO well.

@hollow shadow quit being so damned good.

well in that case. anyone need any art for a project?

[weary matrix]

Hum so when I run this code:

local function addSheetRopeTop(square)
    print('Adding sheet rope!')
    local sprite = IsoSprite.new()
    sprite:getProperties():Set(IsoFlagType.climbSheetTopW)
    square:getProperties():Set(IsoFlagType.climbSheetTopW)
    object = IsoObject.new(getCell(), square, sprite)
    object:setName('SheetRope')
    square:transmitAddObjectToSquare(object, -1)
end``` I can see my object is correctly added and has the properties `climbSheetTopW` set, but it's not set for the square. What I can't figure out is if I run this in the Lua console then the square gets the properties set correctly:
```lua
local cs = getPlayer():getSquare(); local s = getSquare(cs:getX(), cs:getY(), cs:getZ() + 1); s:getProperties():Set(IsoFlagType.climbSheetTopW)``` Any clue what am I missing?

@sour island any clue?

[mint sphinx]

how is it agian i can make the getModData() ?

[sweet drum]

How can i add animations ? or change animations attacks ?

[distant mirage]

Anyone know where to put the mod.info file on multilayer servers?

[sour island]

Is the issue on MP or SP?

[weary matrix]

SP for now

we'll see for MP later 😂

[hollow shadow]

whats going on

did i miss something

[faint jewel]

lol no. was a sideways compliment.

i was working on a simple smelter/ammo bench (all using ingame materials) and you beat me to it and it's very well done.

[mint sphinx]

@sour island do you know any why how you would get the item attribute called defaultModData out? im so stuck with that thing right now ^^

[hollow shadow]

lol thanks

[faint jewel]

now i have to find a new project and have no ideas.

[sour island]

?

[sour island]

In the cases when the square is not getting the property added is the square confirmed to exist?

[mint sphinx]

have have some custom attributes in my items.txt on my items and i try to find a way to get them out. from the item but keep failing

[weary matrix]

yes, ok so I made a bit of progress, now I can set the property, but if change floor and come back then it's gone 😂

[sour island]

hmmm

you may have to call save()

[weary matrix]

on the IsoGridSquare you mean?

and on the sprite too?

hum but IsoGridSquare.save() takes a byte buffer

and IsoSprite.save() takes a DataOutputStream

[abstract raptor]

my best mod poster yet

XD

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2735817809

[mint sphinx]

is it possible to get any moddata from an item or on an item in a backpack ?

[sour island]

object:getModata() ?

[sour island]

Ah you can't just called save()?

[mint sphinx]

yea from an object from an item in the backpack?

[sour island]

I mean, you'd have to iterate through their inventory

[mint sphinx]

right now the backpack only have one item in it. but i just know the class Item dont have the :getModData() call on it

[weary matrix]

you mean without argument ?

[sour island]

I assumed you may be able to but I guess not

When you build furniture/floor is it updating the square sprite?

[weary matrix]

well I just add an empty sprite, so I don't see it but I can see it's there with chunk debugger

[sour island]

I only mention the furniture/floor to ask if there's something in the lua callin for save()

[weary matrix]

oh

[mint sphinx]

hmm so is it only on physical objects you can call getModData?

[weary matrix]

in fact it's when I try to climb that it removes the flag 🤔

but if I add the flag from Lua console, then it stays 🤔

[crisp fable]

what's the story behind "missing" texture files, for example i see in a lua file a reference to a texture "media/ui/vehicles/icon_trunk_light.png" but when i open that folder, common\ProjectZomboid\media\ui\vehicles" in explorer the file isnt there? searching the entire folder doesn't show any files with that name either

[mint sphinx]

but i guess you never tried to getModData from item before ?

[sour island]

I have

I do it for skill recovery journal?

[mint sphinx]

can i see you gethub for that?

[sour island]

If your modData isn't saving you should know you have to store simple variables

string, numbers, tables of strings/numbers, etc

https://github.com/ChuckTheSheep/Skill-Recovery-Journal

[mint sphinx]

atm my item like like this

item foo {

customfoo = helloworld,

}

[hazy urchin]

👋 New player and no experience modding. I have an idea for a hygiene mod that adds a new buff, consumables, and traits. I'm really excited to learn how to make this thing a reality. I'm not sure the best place to get started learning. Any tips would be appreciated!

[gray kelp]

You might want to chedk the pinned stuff

Almost everyone here is asleep

[hazy urchin]

🤦‍♀️ lol I shoulda have checked that first. Ty!

[gray kelp]

K

[faint jewel]

anyone have a mod idea i could try?

sotherwise i'm gonna make movables out of ALL of the tiles i can find. and make a crazy crafting mod to craft all thier furniture.

[quasi geode]

theres a big difference between the Item.class and InventoryItem.class that causes confusion sometimes
Item.class (the script item) doesnt have ModData specifically, only a "default mod data" which gets applied to InventoryItems as they're created
unfortunately theres no 'getDefaultModData' method for Item.class, but you can get it from the field value

-- find the specific named field in a java class object
local function findField(object, field)
    local count = getNumClassFields(object)
    local i = 0
    while i < count do
        local f = getClassField(object, i)
        if tostring(f) == field then return f end
        i = i+1
    end
end

-- fetch default mod data table for a script item
local function getDefaultModData(fullType)
    local scriptItem = getScriptManager():FindItem(fullType)
    if not scriptItem then return end
    local field = findField(scriptItem, "public se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaTable zombie.scripting.objects.Item.DefaultModData")
    if not field then return end
    return getClassFieldVal(scriptItem, field)
end

is what i was using previously to fetch it

[agile lily]

Hell yeah, rocking the classic 808 in PZ. Now add the ability for people to play different instruments in sync 😩 💯

[mint sphinx]

so you saying if i my item have a defaultmoddata i get it by

findField(scriptItem, "public se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaTable zombie.scripting.objects.Item.DefaultModData")

[abstract raptor]

U will suffer latency

Mwahahah

[quasi geode]

basically, using that findField function above , though that whole thing was just a hackish code snippit done as a POC
honestly its probably better to just fetch the field index number once though, then iterating through them all each time to find the DefaultModData

[bitter frigate]

so i've written my first bit of code but i don't think i'm actually doing anything correctly.

NewVariableFunctions.firstRunTimer = false

NewVariableFunctions.CalculateSugarValue = function(specificPlayer)
    local sugarIncrease = 0.5 + SugarValue

    if (SugarValue >= 400) then
        setBodyDamage(specificPlayer:getBodyDamage() + (0.5))
    end

    if (SugarValue < 40)
        setBodyDamage(specificPlayer:getBodyDamage() + (0.8))
    end
end```

im TRYING to set up a new variable (sugar) that is added to by .5 every 10 minutes (which ignores the very first 10 minutes that pass after a load). i'm trying to have the variable cause damage when it's below 40 or 400 or higher. will this do that? does anyone have any tips about how would i ACTUALLY go about accomplishing that?

[crisp fable]

@bitter frigate i'd first break it down into smaller parts, see what i actually have to figure out before it works.

1. see if the function for tracking and adding/substracing sugar works - probably want to add some debug button to trigger it whenever i want
2. find out how timers work and how to get a method to get called every 10 minutes
3. probably have to start this timer on some event that kicks off when game starts
4. then last, go around doing damage to player

5. probably need to keep track of this value between saves too

[tired hedge]

so i've seen some "anime" faces mods but they always seem to make eyes to big (example:)

so i made my version what do you guys think

[cold burrow]

I'm not sure, but really hope code from this mode could be helpful.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2730158335

It adds context to elevator tiles and then just teleports you by z-axis.

[bright acorn]

Looks great! I'd actually use that one lol

[bright acorn]

Take a look at TAOffHandAttack.lua its where I'm triggering custom anims within a timed action.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2727440840

[bright acorn]

And for making the anims, I found it best to start with one of the ones from within the game, and modify it to do what you want with a program called fragMotion

[sweet drum]

fragMotion?

[tired hedge]

take it lol https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2736040951

[bright acorn]

Yea it's an old ass program lol but it's the only one I've found thats able to open and work with .X files

http://www.fragmosoft.com/

[bright acorn]

Well that was fast xD

[drifting stump]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2736032294

[weary matrix]

@cold burrow thanks I've been looking at it, but it's not doing the part I need for my stuff

my problem is really about understanding why the properties I set on the square get lost when I move away to another square

[timid plume]

Hello everyone

someone can tell me if moddata are only server side?

[drifting ore]

only client side

Final version of my mod, I love that it's only 98kb with all images 😆
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2733680483&searchtext=

[timid plume]

theres someway to save global data for all players?

[drifting stump]

you can send to the server and the server to all clients

https://github.com/MrBounty/PZ-Mod---Doc/blob/main/How to use global modData.md

[drifting ore]

Indeed, fixed thx

[rain pumice]

[timid plume]

thankssss

[crisp fable]

gz! i gotta take a look at that, im really curious how you managed to hide equipped items from the inventory. i was thinking about doing something similar but instead of a new ui, i'd show the equipped items in a different inventory tab (similar to the keychain for keys)

[oak rover]

does anyone know where there's a list of the functions/variables that are created by the game to refer to? for example, I'm trying to find "getClimateManager"

[crisp fable]

something like this? https://zomboid-javadoc.com/41.65/zombie/iso/IsoWorld.html#getClimateManager()

[oak rover]

oh yea, that's top tier

thanks

[undone crag]

When I tried transmitModData on the player's character, it said it failed, and the modData did not seem to have been transmitted. Maybe there was something forbidden in it like an isoplayer.

[drifting ore]

Super simple. The inventory UI has a list with all items to display. Before the UI processes them, I remove items that are equipped

No wait I'm talking nonsense, that was my first idea but it never worked. I never put the items in the list by changing the function that retrieves all items from the inventory

But a mod creates problems with this new function so I'm going to change it I think

[crisp fable]

i tried it a bit and it works really well! if i had one small issue with it it's that the window feels too small for all these buttons, i'd personally prefer it as a separate popup i can resize, but that's just me. other than that it's great, its nice to have the inventory cleaned up finally

[drifting ore]

You can choose the size in the options. And I can't make it resize as you want like other UI. It takes a lot of extra work. Even if my code is normally done well enough for this to be possible without too much difficulty

And I changed the function to hide the equipped objects, it works as I said in the first message now. Like 3 lines of code

[cold burrow]

What lua methods to add specific amount of items to current character? Like "Base.ExampleItem".

[faint jewel]

any lua boys want a REAL challenge?

[willow estuary]

player:getInventory():AddItems("Base.Matches", 1+ZombRand(7))

[cold burrow]

Thank you :)

[odd notch]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[faint jewel]

it's just a mock up 😦

I, too, would pay for something along those lines.

[nimble spoke]

I was thinking about something along those lines last week, more as a new character management window than actually an inventory window

[olive zinc]

any mods yall recommend for making the game a stealth night time is death kinda vibe. the zombies hate sun mod dosnt seem to work very often so i wanted to see if yall know any good ones to look out for

[willow estuary]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2616581222

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1585858435 (works for me in testing)

[olive zinc]

thank you

[willow estuary]

• this maybe https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2715882009
  or the batshit crazy insane awesome version https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2705076474

[olive zinc]

ooh thats nice

yeah i want to load these up and make a horror game to scare my buds

[low crest]

Hello guys! i am working on making a small concealable gun that can be worn on the wrist like a watch without occupying your hands. Technically its a mix between a clothing item and a weapon, does anyone know how would i implement bones with animations into an item that can be worn?

[olive zinc]

pitch black nights with night sprinters that can smell blood

sounds like alot of fun

[calm depot]

dunno if anyone else here's tried it, but I swapped out Hotspot for OpenJ9 and the game seems to be a lot snappier since then. Could just be imagining it, give it a try though if you find the game is a bit laggy, who knows

it's downloadable here: https://developer.ibm.com/languages/java/semeru-runtimes/downloads

[faint jewel]

someone saids omething about a map editor so you can save part of the map, and the clear the rest.

[lapis mantle]

does anyone know if steam workshop mods are updated cleanly? for example if you rename a file and publish that update - will the previously-named version continue to exist on a subscriber's machine after they download the update?

[willow estuary]

Apparently that can be an issue, and is part of why it's recommended to unsubscribe and then resubscribe when a mod updates?

[quasi geode]

why i generally leave blank files as placeholders for deleted ones (least for lua stuff)

[willow estuary]

Yeah, I've taken to that practice as well.

[lapis mantle]

oh wow i didn't know this was actually a common situation. seems like a pitfall a lot of new modders will hit if they do a round of refactoring. the suggestion to null out the file is a good one. thanks!

[weary matrix]

I guess it's even more of an issue on the server side

[sour island]

You can just delete the file after a while

even if users don't delete the old ones- if they're blank there's no real harm

[abstract raptor]

siiiiick

I wonder if there's something I could use for the playable guitars out there

[sharp fern]

is there a way to change cars horsepower numbers?

[opal wind]

hey guys is there any game clothing that makes noises as you walk? if not, anybody think its possible to create noises as you walk with a certain outfit?

[long grove]

how can I draw to the zombie population map?

[night briar]

Wanted to start doing animations in my downtime before work for Project Zomboid, how does one actually get that going?

[long grove]

you mean like 3d animations?

[night briar]

Yeah

[long grove]

learn how to use blender

you basically have to become a 3d artist

[night briar]

been animating in blender for over 13 years - I want to know how to get the Animations that are already made into blender

[long grove]

oh sorry

lol no idea

[night briar]

right now they are XML (X) Fiiles. i have no idea how to import the animations or what program can actually use it

[long grove]

I guess they are like animation files? A set of movement positions?

is it for the humanoid models?

[night briar]

yeah. Bi-pedal

Players and Zombies lmao

not exactly good at 4 leggo creatures lmao

[long grove]

maybe the model and the animations are separate not sure how tho

[night briar]

Havent even considered that. might have to hit up Spiffo to get in touch with the dev team lmao

[long grove]

can you ask him how to draw to the zombiepopulation map? Lol

[night briar]

i can. lets see if we can obtain the info we both need 😄

[shut valley]

this might help a little https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37647-the-one-stop-shop-for-3d-modeling-from-blender-to-zomboid/

[night briar]

Super Appreciate that!

[drifting ore]

Reminder that blender has no support for .x file extensions anymore

And that .x is outdated af and idk why PZ uses them

[night briar]

yeah i thought about downgrading to 1.8 for the X File format

but i didnt know PZ uses FBX. Something i found out thanks to An 😄

[faint jewel]

HERESY!

[sinful vessel]

Is there a bloodlocation that gives protection to both groin and neck without hands and head?

[opal wind]

i think they will stop using on the future, .fbx is way better indeed

[odd notch]

i accidentally made an entire building system for my admins to spawn in trees and stuff

[faint jewel]

you know.... if someone added "connection points" to all the vehicles...

it would be easy to attach things like armor and plows and what not.

[lusty sierra]

is there a mod or way to spawn items in the middle of a multiplayer gameplay map in 41.65 IWBUMS? the server has crashed a couple of times and me and my friend have lost car keys and some items each time, we just want to replace them

we've tried necroforge 2.7b, Cheat Menu [Multi-Language], and using the -debug in options on steam feature

[drifting stump]

car keys should be quite simple in debug or admin

open the mechanics menu and right click anywhere -> get key

as for items there is an item list you can use in admin and debug

[lusty sierra]

the -debug in steam options thing made it so my friend couldn't start the server

how do you do the admin thing?

[drifting stump]

admin is not a launch option

[lusty sierra]

yea, mistyped

[chrome agate]

Hi everyone! I'm hunting some mod incompatibility for my new play and had an idea for a checker; would grepping for "function (Name)" and showing mods that override/use same functions work as a rudimentary way to find those conflicts quick and in bulk? I have like ~150 mods by now, so it's a mess to find which ones work together by trial and error... 😦

[drifting stump]

in the server terminal type setaccesslevel "player name" admin

[lusty sierra]

what does server terminal mean?

[drifting stump]

how are they running the server

[lusty sierra]

i think i need an ELI5

[drifting stump]

through the ingame host or dedicated

[lusty sierra]

just through the host button on the main page

ingame yea

then he invites me through steam to join

[drifting stump]

from what i see he needs to type /setaccesslevel "Name" admin in chat

only ever used dedicated server so im not 100% sure

[lusty sierra]

doesn't seem to work for some reason

but he just realized one of the mods he downloaded works from the right click menu so there's that ><

thanks for the help browser

[drifting stump]

does the server have the default name?

[lusty sierra]

i don't think so, no

[drifting stump]

when he hosts is it called servertest

[lusty sierra]

i guess not, no

[drifting stump]

mhhh not sure if it will run but try running ProjectZomboidServer.bat in the game folder

it should launch that same save as a dedicated server

[lusty sierra]

nice, thank you

[drifting stump]

and in that terminal type setaccesslevel "player name" admin after its done loading

[drifting ore]

Not cool, that was my next project. xD
Is it in game or is it just an image?
Otherwise don't you think that the menu at the top deserves a menu just for him? We don't need it every time.
Also the problem with this kind of interface is mods. For the mod I'm doing which add an equipment menu, I could have chosen a similar interface but the problem is that if a mod adds bodylocation (like srap armor which is very popular), it's screwed up everything

[faint jewel]

1. image
2. he could yes.
3. i had designed it so you mouse over a part and it shows you things connected to it. (helmet and mask for the head for instance)
4. do a base version first. then work past that to each mod. release multiples. go insane. eat a pigeon.

[odd notch]

aw well it turns out trees dont sync in MP

when you spawn them via a new isotree

[drifting ore]

Have you ever made UI?

[faint jewel]

written no, designed, yes.

[crisp fable]

i actually don't think making an UI like is that that hard, it's basically just a prettier version of PZ-clothingUI.
the inventory grid is also easy to do in a new window, but would probably hard integrating with the existing one. the bigger issue is preserving all the vanilla functionality like drag-select, shift-click-select, item transfers by dragging, etc

[drifting ore]

Ok how do you explain that. It's super annoying. There are lots of little things to constantly remember otherwise you have lots of little bugs (especially in this game). And your project is far from being the simplest. Honestly it seems like too complex to start.

[drifting ore]

Not at all. You have to redo the ISInventoryPane, which is infernal. And drag and drop systems are super hard to do, same for other little features

[faint jewel]

i have not made a pzui no. i design stuff in my head for the situation and take to a coder who can make it happen.

[crisp fable]

i wouldn't put it in isinventory pane though, i'd create it as a separate component and then integrate the existing inventory pane in it. or just not use the existing inventory pane altogether, but that would be more work

but yeah, all the little things like drag and drop i don't know yet, and they are pretty important

[faint jewel]

that was more a culmination of ideas. some diablo some dayz some stuff hat i liked.

[drifting ore]

Or else redo a whole list class so that it is square, that would be the simplest. But it's still complex I think

[crisp fable]

i've manually built a dynamic list for the radio frequency manager, making it into squares wouldn't be that big of a change. but then the ultimate question is whether the grid system is superior anyway, i kinda like sortable lists

[drifting ore]

Haha, you need to change ISInventoryPane but keep ISInventoryPage, it's different
Told you it's infernal xD

[crisp fable]

yeah, if possible i wouldn't use it at all, seems easier to create new components from scratch 😄

[drifting ore]

You really feel the inventory system has been there since the beginning of the game and they added patch after patch until it was unreadable. It's a real spaghetti dish

[crisp fable]

a cookie to the first person who sees what's new here

(unrelated to current discussion)

[drifting ore]

Just hidden items already equipped took me 5 tries and about 1 hour

[faint jewel]

the van has a grey door?

or the vehicle ui outside the vehicle?

[drifting ore]

You out the car with the UI ?

[crisp fable]

that's a zombie, intentionally added there to mislead you, so no 😄

but it's related to the dashboard, yeah

[faint jewel]

foglights?

[drifting ore]

The volume icon ?

[crisp fable]

dunno if you meant the same thing but yeah! the speaker icon for the radio

here ya go🍪 🥠

[drifting ore]

Can I get it to if I try to do something like that ?

[faint jewel]

huh?

[drifting ore]

That what I meant

[drifting stump]

@lusty sierra did it work?

[crisp fable]

changes color based on whether the radio is on or off and clicking it opens the panel so you dont have to use the radial ui

[lusty sierra]

it did, thank you!

[drifting stump]

np

[drifting ore]

My only suggestions is to put the bar in the middle, so that it is centered like the other. Because it stresses me out 😂

[crisp fable]

yeah i know, i first added it between the fuel and speed indicators as a separate button, trying out different positions now. i can't move the existing elements at all however, otherwise i'd center it

maybe left of the engine would be better but it doesn't fit thematically there

[paper tartan]

Hey does some1 know if I can make a lua or a command for any mod that would remove a certain item ftom the game & world completely? Not just loottables but also existing stuff? Like arsenal/britas remove shotgun silencers etc?

[crisp fable]

maybe i add another icon on the right so it balances it out

[odd notch]

does anyone have the link to that guide on how to launch and connect to your listen server? as two clients

ahhh nvm i found it

[crisp fable]

is there any way to modify the z-level of elements besides just creating them in the correct order?

[drifting ore]

Someone would be available 10-20 min in the hours that follow to test my mod on a server? It would help me a lot

me

[bitter frigate]

this is from a great many hours ago but do you have any advice on where to start for point 1? i WANT to accomplish that quite badly but i don't know where to begin

[drifting stump]

local function OnKeyPressed(key)
    if key == Keyboard.[the key you want] then
        print(your variable)
    end
end

Events.OnKeyPressed.Add(OnKeyPressed)

https://zomboid-javadoc.com/41.65/org/lwjglx/input/Keyboard.html

@bitter frigate is this what you needed?

[bitter frigate]

yes that is SUPER helpful thank you so, so much

[drifting stump]

should mention the print will output to the lua debug console

so make sure youre running the game in debug mode

[bitter frigate]

thank u for telling me i would've run back in here in 5 minutes crying

[wary vapor]

does anyone know what mod is this

if so please send me a link

oh wait nvm i found the mod

[cold burrow]

🤔 how to query all items with specific Type and SubCategory? Probably all guns.

[lavish rampart]

how do you tell if any of your mods loaded up because i enabled them and they didnt activate

oh do i have to manually put them all in the mods folder?

[bitter frigate]

is there any way to get your mods in game without submitting them to the workshop?

[drifting stump]

where do you have the files

[bitter frigate]

i havent yet put my mod folder anywhere. don't wanna put it in the wrong place and break everything. otherwise everything is steam default

[drifting stump]

you can put it in User/Zomboid/mods

[bitter frigate]

it's not showing up

[drifting stump]

how do you have the files setup

inside the mods folder you should have a folder for your mod

inside that a media folder, mod.info and poster.png

inside media a lua folder

and inside lua client, server and/or shared depending on where you want the code to run

for the code i sent it should be client

your .lua files go in there

[bitter frigate]

i followed an old tutorial so the .txt file with my version and stuff was outdated. i'm updating it now and seeing if it'll pop that way

[drifting stump]

it should not be a .txt

[bitter frigate]

i had it as an .info but switched it when i was checking it against the mod template in the folders orz

[bitter frigate]

i have my mod folder (Diabetes). inside of it is another folder (media) which has a .info and a poster.png, Inside of (media) are two more folders (lua) (scripts). (scripts) is empty. (lua) has a folder (client) inside of it, and inside (client) lives my code (a .txt file named "working")

[drifting stump]

where is the .info and poster.png?

inside Diabetes or media

[bitter frigate]

Diabetes

[drifting stump]

only issue is the working file

its not a txt

its a lua

[bitter frigate]

OH

well NOW i feel silly

lemme fix that and see if it works

[drifting ore]

On the server side, how do I get the isoPlayer of a specific player to use with sendServerCommand ? I try getSpecificPlayer but that not seem to work. I tried with the playerNum and playerIndex

[bitter frigate]

my mod is still not showing up, unfortunately

[drifting ore]

I have a command that is sent from the client to the server like this:

function Ask(player)
    local arg = {}
    arg["From"] = getPlayer():getPlayerIndex() --Or getPlayerNum
    arg["To"] = player:getPlayerIndex() --Or getPlayerNum
    arg["command"] = "SendOriginal"
    sendClientCommand(moduleName, "SendServer", arg)
    getPlayer():Say("Asked to " .. player:getUsername())
end

But arg["From"] and arg["To"] are the same

Then on the server side:

Commands["SendServer"] = function(player, arg)
    print("To: ", arg["To"])
    print("From: ", arg["From"])
    sendServerCommand(getSpecificPlayer(arg["To"]), "TOC", arg["command"], arg)
end

[drifting stump]

getPlayer() and player are the same thing

are you trying to ask another player?

[drifting ore]

normally not precisely, because I call the function only if getPlayer() ~= player

[drifting ore]

Yes

if self.character ~= self.otherPlayer then
    print(self.character:getPlayerIndex())
    print(self.otherPlayer:getPlayerIndex())
    Ask(self.otherPlayer)
end

[drifting stump]

are those 2 prints showing different things?

[drifting ore]

no, both 0

but it's maybe because both game are on the same PC

But it shouldn't, the server must know the difference

[drifting stump]

try doing the if check with the indexes

i suspect they are 2 different java objects pointing to the same player

[drifting ore]

Ok and now when I try to call print(self.character:getPlayerIndex()) I get an error

Object tried to call nil

[drifting stump]

checking again you have User/Zomboid/mods/Diabetes/mod.info right

[drifting ore]

And otherPlayer and character is well 2 different isoPlayer

[drifting stump]

im not sure you can get another player as a client unless its a local coop

[drifting ore]

like the object ?

[drifting stump]

yes

[bitter frigate]

yup! thats exactly what i've got

[drifting stump]

and what is inside your mod.info

again im not sure about this havent messed around with it much but as a client unless its local coop i think there only exists on player

other indexes will just return a nil player

[drifting ore]

I don't think, like in ISMedicalCheckAction otherPlayer is an obj and the use function on it

[drifting stump]

true need to look how that player is obrained

might be sent by the server

[drifting ore]

But I use that otherPlayer variable, I don't need to find it. I have both player obj, that not the issue

[bitter frigate]

id=Diabetes
description=Adds T1 diabetes.
poster=poster.png```

[drifting stump]

then why is stuff nil or the same

ill have to mess around with it

[drifting ore]

That my question

[drifting stump]

i have it showing with that

[bitter frigate]

it's meant to show up in the mods section right? am i just not looking for it correctly?

[drifting stump]

it did show up in the mod section

C:\Users\[Your User Name]\Zomboid\mods\Diabetes

[bitter frigate]

i mean it's meant to show up in the mod panel within the game right? so i can enable it? or is it automatically enabled because it's in the mod folder?

[drifting stump]

yes it is meant to show up

[drifting ore]

When I check the debug, PlayerIndex are the same for both obj, username not (so it's 2 different object) but OnlineID is different so it must be it

[bitter frigate]

i thought so. i tried disabling mod manager since i thought maybe that was hiding it, but no such luck. should i move into tech support?

[leaden dew]

Hi guys! Can I made a mod that preventing some items (listed) to spawn? Let’s say it is item blacklist.

[drifting stump]

nah its still modding

but again you have your mod in C:\Users\[Your User Name]\Zomboid\mods\ right

not in the mods folder in the game install folder

[bitter frigate]

........................oh lord

[bitter frigate]

IT IS NOW.

it's working. thank you so much

[hollow shadow]

compatible with better lockpicking?

[drifting stump]

yes

didnt touch anything that conflicts

[hollow shadow]

yes but better lockpicking adds a hotwire minigame

does the mod remove that minigame or keep it?

[drifting ore]

That not onlineID either because I get 0 and 4, and 4 give an error when use with getSpecificPlayer because we are 2 on the server. God damn it, I will never get my mod work in MP

[drifting stump]

only thing with that mod is the hotwire action duration setting doesnt do anything because well better lockpicking doesnt have the action

[drifting stump]

didnt touch anything that conflicts

[drifting ore]

With what do we need to use getSpecificPlayer ? PlayerNum ?

[drifting stump]

think so

@hollow shadow

[timid plume]

wich mod is this?

[drifting stump]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2736032294

[timid plume]

thanks

[copper grotto]

Are you workin on ladders using some kinda sheetrope trick? (hope ping response was ok) Thats Awesome if so!! Truth be told I'd much prefer this to any teleporting hackery, I took a brief look into attempting that but didn't see a clear avenue without diving deeper than I felt willing to at the time. Great idea, would love to see this functionality added! Not sure if I'd be able to assist but feel free to DM me if you need a second pair of eyes, might be able to help with the square not saving the property. That being said for others in the meantime there is some teleporty hacky ladder use coming with the next elevator update, but actual climbing with animation sounds way cooler

[lavish rampart]

so i have to put the mod from the directory from like steamapps common and then to like the string of numbers etc drag and drop that into the zomboid mod spot right

[lavish rampart]

can you make sheets

[copper grotto]

hmm, I'm sorry I don't quite understand the question, missing some args

[weary matrix]

@copper grotto hey, thanks. Yeah I'm still stuck on the square losing its properties :/

[lavish rampart]

can you make the sheets you make into the sheetrope

[copper grotto]

Oh, you mean like is there a way to craft sheets from something else? or just like can you spawn in sheets, sorry I'm thick I still dont quite understand what you mean. but I suppose the answer is yes?(or it would be easily possible to make a recipe like that)

co` my wife is summoning me to do some shoveling but I'll take a peak at the code you pasted yesterday when I'm back around and hit you up if I have anything helpful

[lavish rampart]

no i was talking bout crafting it

[lavish rampart]

i wish you a hasty shoveling

[sharp mango]

[weary matrix]

OK 👍

[crisp fable]

it took some work but I managed to align the buttons after all, it is better this way like you said MrBounty
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2736059670
damn, im spending more time playing around with mods than actually playing the game lately. and so many more ideas to do...

[prime frost]

Longshot but does anyone know if the lootable map window is capable of being resized & if so, where's the ref to it?

[undone crag]

Hello what is the function to tell what player number you are?

[crisp fable]

local player = getPlayer();
local playerNum = player:getPlayerNum();

if thats what you mean

[undone crag]

:o

thx m8

[frank elbow]

A few hours late, but this is where the channel loaded in for me so: Lua functions can be defined like that, but can also equivalently be defined as Name = function(...). Just something to look out for if you do that. If it's a function in a table, you may also have to consider the edge case that someone may have assigned the table to their own local variable. So, a grep wouldn't be a perfect approach (the ideal approach would be an analyzer, but I assume that's out of scope), but it would catch most of the common cases

[steel whale]

Looking for a mod that makes spawn locations to be able to be safehouses

[orchid notch]

I am currently working on making some new WorldItems, any idea why the textures are being read like this?

followed https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/37647-the-one-stop-shop-for-3d-modeling-from-blender-to-zomboid/ for model creation

(model is currently scaled up to show issue better)

[junior flame]

I had that issue when my model's texture filepath wasn't set correctly

[orchid notch]

yeah, I felt like that might be it

ah just happened to glance and see #mod_support, this definitely should've been there lol.

unless thats support for people who use mods, not make them 😂

anyhow, I am a bit puzzled for sure. The path seems correct, but the problem could lie elsewhere maybe

[mint sphinx]

a fast question is it possible to say this in a list

mylist = { foo or "bar", foo2 or "bar2" } ?

[crisp fable]

probably, but what do you expect to get in that list afterwards? i think it will just be booleans

[mint sphinx]

sprites

[quasi geode]

its valid

Lua 5.2.4  Copyright (C) 1994-2015 Lua.org, PUC-Rio
> x = {nil or "ok", "ok2" or nil}
> print(x[1], x[2])
ok      ok2

[orchid notch]

got it

[crisp fable]

ah nice, so its like a js or, a coalesce

[orchid notch]

alright so good note to make

even though the mesh = and texture = pulls from two different folders in the game directory

if the fbx & png are named the same

it won't pickup the texture

even though, I believe this is how it's done with Vanilla world models, such as mesh = Book, then texture = Book

¯_(ツ)_/¯

now onto other missing 3D models 🤣

funny enough, rooting around in the PZ directory

there is actually already a mesh/textures for WalkieTalkies, including each variety of them. They are completely different than the sprites used in the Inventory

they're inside the 1handed weapons textures

also found a reference to the mesh for them as well

so at one point the walkies were able to be held as a 3D model, and most likely swung as a makeshift blunt weapon too

here they are in "media\textures\weapons\1handed"

idk if that is common knowledge or not, but I found it interesting

😎

[rain pumice]

It's for people who use mods hehe

[orchid notch]

now to turn that pesky NPK Fertilizer bag right-side up 🤣

[fair frost]

now someone shall bring them back into game in that form

Silent Hill themed cars time

[orchid notch]

These are so awesome 👌

[fair frost]

thanks

[mint sphinx]

thx for the fast response 🙂

[opal wind]

omg lol

[unkempt kettle]

Hello everyone
Does someone know a place, channel or somewhere I can find a tutorial or even learn how to combine mods and make a modpack for a server?

Tried the whole net, even reddit, but couldn't find.
People dont even want to sell their service

[drifting ore]

It workiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggggg !!!!!! My mod finally work in MP. Thx everyone who help me !

[mint sphinx]

do you know if there is a easy way to check for nil before you try to concatenation ?

[quasi geode]

> print("test " .. (nil or "") .. "done")
test done

i'm assuming you ment with strings

[mint sphinx]

what i wanted is like like this

x = { "hey " .. (str) .. " nice" or "default string", }

[quasi geode]

not sure what your trying to achieve there, but if you look at the example i show, it hits the nil and replaces it with a empty string "" to concentrate

[mint sphinx]

i did but problem is if the string is nil i would cast it to a whole other string obejct instead... hmm also i use to java where null is = false by default

[quasi geode]

> print("test " .. (nil and "x" or "y"))
test y
> print("test " .. (true and "x" or "y"))
test x

[opal wind]

you should not have to Do anything to combine mods, if they are conflicting with each other post on mod_supoort section so the proper mod owner can make his decisions

mods should work with each other, if they dont, its a mod problem not a server problem, plus you prb need the mod owner 'go ahead' to mess around on his coding anyway

i recomend u test your modpack on SP first

if it works move to MP

[unkempt kettle]

No, you didnt get it
I mean, many servers nowadays have all the mods into a single file
so no need to keep restarting the server when a mod gets updated

[opal wind]

well again, i dont think this is right, each modder should take care of their own mods not letting other people mess around on their coding

MP is a mess anyway

and its not the modders fault

[mint sphinx]

damn lovely lua god lol

[drifting ore]

He means a modpack lol

[opal wind]

yes i know

i just dont agree with these 1file half-put measures

people are messing around to much MP to 'fix' mods when we all know the real problem is the vanilla game engine on MP

the day they manage to fix cars from teleporting around i will deal with MP

[mint sphinx]

i do agree and disagree at the same time....
the problem with steam workshop collection is that you can not subscript to a special version of a mod but only the newest one.
so for stability i understand why people do the modpacks but im also against it by default

[opal wind]

yeah you are right on that

[mint sphinx]

also it his problem if he get a DMCA or not for doing it ^^

[opal wind]

Steam is a disgrace, thats the truth; they wont let me make my mod public while i dont spend money with them...

all my steam games are gifts i pay my friends and they send me; i dont like to put my credit card on the internet

because of that i cant even Add Friends on steam

thats how pathetic, greedy and incompetent they are

Steam is Pathetic

[drifting ore]

I mean

Gift cards count as payments

[opal wind]

'pay me to give free stuff'

[opal wind]

dude i cant even post comments on main mod sections

and i spent hundreds on dollars with steam, they just dont know it lol

[crisp fable]

technically from their perspective, you didn't spend any - the games are gifted

[drifting ore]

I think the whole "pay to get access" thing is to stop botting

[crisp fable]

its a valid security measure imo

[opal wind]

yeah so if i dont pay i cant give a free mod? thats their 'logic' ?

yeah super valid... to NOT allow u to give a free mod LMAO

[drifting ore]

Not wanting people to bot their service is pretty valid

[crisp fable]

well, yeah. otherwise you'd have tons of free accounts posting various crap on the workshop

[mint sphinx]

hmm but a think on the market for 0.20 dollar .. hmm not sure that will stop the botting then :p

[opal wind]

Kaldo just drop on your 4 and milk steam

really

[autumn holly]

The problem with MP is mostly in that Steam Workshop is the modding domain for the game

There's no version control on Steam

[drifting ore]

^

[opal wind]

yes because steam SUCKS

[crisp fable]

i have plenty of issues with steam's workshop. being a legitimate customer as a requirement to use their cloud storage is not one of them...

[autumn holly]

So you can't make sure everyone grabs the right version, and steam itself sometimes doesn't even get the right versions

[drifting ore]

Steams the best platform there is

[mint sphinx]

there is

[drifting ore]

There is literally no other comparable platform for purchase of games and having a community in 1

[mint sphinx]

i notice you can always as the owner roll back your own version of the mod back ?

[opal wind]

steam SUCKS dude you say tahts because the never screwed you yet

just give it a time

and u will change your mind about them

[autumn holly]

That's not a solution though

[drifting ore]

I got an account with $500 worth of CSGO items stolen and wasnt able to recover it

[autumn holly]

Because steam automates the download and update process

[mint sphinx]

@opal wind what if one of your friend make a workshop mod and then give you the owner ship of it ?

[drifting ore]

I have been screwed, I just recognize the trivial nature of the platform

[opal wind]

nah its ok Tiba i will pay those greedy bastards bums, so i can public my mod

[mint sphinx]

i know why i sometime wish i could do actifacts of mods ^^

[drifting ore]

Regardless they only require a 5 dollar purchase to get full access and you can buy 10 dollar steam giftcards

[autumn holly]

The author has to make the explicit decision not to update their mods whenever they fix things

[opal wind]

yes dude i will give them more money, but i dont have to like it, its not a question of value, its a question of principles

[autumn holly]

I usually make a copy of my workshop mods every now and then, incase a mod gets deleted for whatever reason or if I hold off on updating the actual game for a patch or two, etc

[mint sphinx]

this look like a good game https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/7398/_Time_Lock_VR1_and_Deployment/ 😛

[drifting ore]

I mean I'd rather have people pay five dollars to use a platform where you buy video games

If it means stopping botting

[opal wind]

you should Not have to PAY to make coments or add friends dude, how come you suport this RAPING of the consumer??

really kaiser

[mint sphinx]

isnt that why you have it on a repo aswell ? ^^

[opal wind]

u disapoint me

[autumn holly]

Not my own mods, but the mods I use

I don't publish any mods I make

[drifting ore]

You're right, I should be able to bot their website and friend everyone on the platform automatically

That totally wont be used for malicious reasons

[opal wind]

why would someone do that?

[drifting ore]

Because we're human beings??

[mint sphinx]

i see i usually just unlist them so if some one had sub to it they will still download it

[crisp fable]

@opal wind can you just let it go? this is not the channel for your anti steam rants, nobody cares

[drifting ore]

If some dude in Russia realizes he can make bank by phish scamming people on Steam he's going to scam people lol

[opal wind]

you know what? im 42 yo and i dont want to get into a discussion on a sunday afternoon; if you are a steam lover, thats your problem, i hate them to my guts, and i will keep hating them no matter what excuses you give to them

so dont waste your time arguing with me on that

i despise them. period, its my right.

yeah sure kaiser, blame the russians lol

[mint sphinx]

i think more it might be for security reason. like lets say person never used credit card upload some sceret document so person b which never bough anything either download the "mod " which only they know about steam might be liable for damage or somthing like that ^^

but how do the mod goes btw?

[opal wind]

tbh im thinking in uploading it just on curseforge or some other mod plataform, the idea of having it on steam with taht pathetic 'subscribe' button sicks me to no end

they cant even install mods right

'subscribe'... lol

they create numbers (steam ID) for our mods, they wont even keep the darn mods names IDs...

anyway, like i said before its a waste of time to argue

i remember the first time i was trying to find this mod on my computer, its like steam hides them