mod_development

[quasi ginkgo]

I just created my first mod

[quasi ginkgo]

And unlike vunder's mod, it doesn't break your computer apart (I overreact a lot)

[fallow bridge]

@quasi ginkgo mine doesn't.

i fixed that

awhle ago

[quasi ginkgo]

It used to

[fallow bridge]

brb

[quasi ginkgo]

Either way

I added a raven creek map item to project zomboid

This will save me a lot of time

It can be looted like the rest of the items in zomboid project

[drifting ore]

i would be great if they add the ravens creek map in the Web map

in the comunnity appart

[old harbor]

someone never thinked about a mod that make the inventory look like dayz?

[quasi ginkgo]

We talked about this before

It just won't work

[old harbor]

Sad to hear that

in my mind its possible, but i have no idea about how it is done

[quasi ginkgo]

It's not because it isn't possible

But everyone hates that idea

TL;DR: it won't fit project zomboid

And its more of a pain

[old harbor]

You have a point in that

but I personally prefer that form of organization, maybe one day it will be possible (because someone made the mod)

all the loose items in a list sometimes make me lose track and the patience to look for everything, besides that it would be good for clothes to have the function of storage in addition to heat and protection.

[quasi ginkgo]

You can already make cloth function as a storage

Pretty easy, too

I did it myself

But you can't have protection

[fallow bridge]

ok i'm back

Hybe wanna know what was causing my mod to fuck PZ?

it's fucking funny

[quasi ginkgo]

Let me guess

One wrong letter

[fallow bridge]

no

[quasi ginkgo]

Go on

Ask me

[fallow bridge]

so y'know how i was asking around in here about how to fix up the scripts

[quasi ginkgo]

For 2 hours?

[fallow bridge]

well one of them well known modders replied to me and told me what to do

well

[quasi ginkgo]

Also in #old_techsupport ?

[fallow bridge]

turns out

no

not the black screen

how to make the mod

[quasi ginkgo]

What was the problem

[fallow bridge]

anyways

yeah

so the modder's advice bricked it

EVERYTHING he told me to do broke the mod and PZ

[quasi ginkgo]

Which one?

[fallow bridge]

so

[quasi ginkgo]

Which modder?

[fallow bridge]

hold on

[old harbor]

This is pretty cool, but my problem with the way of organizing would remain the same. I like illustrated things, a simple inventory can be good for those who like it, but I still prefer one similar to that of dayz.

I think in the end it's a matter of taste

[fallow bridge]

this bricked it

[quasi ginkgo]

Madman Andre?

[fallow bridge]

a grid system would not work for PZ

[quasi ginkgo]

Not surprised

[fallow bridge]

yeah and oi

[quasi ginkgo]

Could swear I called it

[fallow bridge]

he's a good modder

just made a mistake

[quasi ginkgo]

Pretty ironic

[fallow bridge]

PZ's already got enough micromanagment

adding more would make it taxing

[quasi ginkgo]

He told me to not post here a few days ago because I don't know much about coding

[fallow bridge]

to much micromanagment pisses people off

i mean

i also told you that

[quasi ginkgo]

No the thing is

[old harbor]

Yeah, but i would like the option anyway

[quasi ginkgo]

I helped the guy

And it worked

[fallow bridge]

@old harbor it wouldn't be a option

it would either be grid or no grid

[quasi ginkgo]

No grid

[fallow bridge]

you can't have two different inventory styles

[old harbor]

I mean, in a mod, singleplayer only

[quasi ginkgo]

If I want to manage my inventory in a zombie survival game

[fallow bridge]

can't mod it pretty sure

it's locked out code

only the devs can fuck with it

[quasi ginkgo]

I will cause a zombie outbreak in the year 1993

This way I can enjoy project zomboid

[fallow bridge]

AND would probably require a engine rework

[old harbor]

I figured something like that

[quasi ginkgo]

Pretty much 70% of the suggestions

[fallow bridge]

i mean there is a planned inventory rework

but i highly doubt it'll be grid

at all

like

almost EVERYONE here really dislikes the idea of a grid, i remember the conversation

but it's up to the devs

and this is probbaly just #pz_b42_chat

[old harbor]

I remember reading on the blog that they were redoing some things besides multiplayer, I thought they would give a general makeover in all aspects of HUD, but it seems to be simpler things, like the clock.

[fallow bridge]

i honestly really like the hud

[old harbor]

I remember that

[quasi ginkgo]

It's fine as it is

[fallow bridge]

i love it's open close systems and moving it and all that

makes it feel custom tailored for me

[old harbor]

Like i said, its more a matter of taste in the end

[fallow bridge]

mhm

also this is a #pz_b42_chat

[quasi ginkgo]

95% of the people here hate it

[fallow bridge]

lets move there

[quasi ginkgo]

Good idea

[fallow bridge]

as they said it's a matter of TASTE

personal preference

[quasi ginkgo]

I know

Just saying that most people here hate it

So I doubt it's gonna happen

[old harbor]

guess i am the 5% who like both ideas hah

[old harbor]

Yeah, that's why i started asking about a mod haha

[fallow bridge]

btw i like the fact that as soon as i published my mod it got 2 downvotes xD

which i guess i understand as at that time it was bricking games

still funny

[left plank]

both of the downvotes were ME

[fallow bridge]

HOW COULD YOU!

this is the first mod where i PRACTICALLY built it from the ground up (at least EVERYTHING in the scripts)

[old harbor]

what mod?

[quasi ginkgo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2425194218

this one

I also made a new mod

[old harbor]

Oh

[quasi ginkgo]

not published but still

[fallow bridge]

you'res isn't a cool baseball bat made out of metal

[quasi ginkgo]

it's a map of raven creek

[fallow bridge]

ok?

[quasi ginkgo]

so...

it's cool

[fallow bridge]

not as important as a metal baseball bat

😎

[quasi ginkgo]

I can completely ignore a metal baseball bat

but a map?

maps are more imrpotant

[old harbor]

seeing that remember me how much i want they add visible holsters to the vanilla game

[quasi ginkgo]

there's the paw paw loot thingy

[fallow bridge]

doubt they ever willlll

[quasi ginkgo]

is this another "the engine won't handle it" joke or...

[fallow bridge]

naw

the engine will handle it

as we know

from

cough

PAW LOW LOOT

[old harbor]

they add visible backpacks with a 3d update, why not doing this?

[fallow bridge]

because it's not a priority

backpacks are far more noticeable than a holster

[old harbor]

I mean, not RIGHT NOW, but someday

[fallow bridge]

still highly doubt it

[quasi ginkgo]

some year*

[old harbor]

Yeah

[old harbor]

i get my hope on this

[left plank]

and vunder is a very credible source of predicting things so you might as well pour water on your PC

[fallow bridge]

^

this is very true

100%

i have NEVER gotten information wrong ever

[old harbor]

Why buy a water cooler when I can throw my pc in the river

[left plank]

nature is healing, the PCs are returning to the rivers

[fallow bridge]

but seriously i just don't see them spending time on modeling a holster when barely anybody will notice something like that

a backpack is huge and on your back

but the holster

that's not something you see

[old harbor]

And for copper mines mined by slave children

i guess

[old harbor]

They add trailers and stuff, why not just a holster?

[fallow bridge]

they added trailers due to the trailers mod getting popular

same with the bandoliers

[old harbor]

Yeah, but the Paw Low mod is popular too

[fallow bridge]

doesn't mean they will do it

it's their choice

[old harbor]

I know, just sayin

[fallow bridge]

yee

it's just our opinions

[old harbor]

When they finish multiplayer I will put the mod and everything will be as I want XD

[dark solar]

hello code wizards. could anyone help me create a mod for my map?

i dont think it woul be too difficult, i just would like more intense winters?

intense meaning colder temperatures, more snow

is something like that possible?

[jovial summit]

Cryogenic winters

Already a mod

[dark solar]

thank you but i dont want cold summers also!

[jovial summit]

Cryogenic winters easy start

There's 3 types of Cryo winter

Warm summer, normal, and cold everything

[dark solar]

easy start is still like 15 degrees celsius is it not?

oh

not celsius

im dumb

fahrenheit

[jovial summit]

Oh yeah sorry, forgot about taht

[dark solar]

no problem!

something like an average of -30C in winter and 25C in summer ?

[jovial summit]

You can probably ask the creator @heady kiln for some help

[fallow bridge]

already something in vanilla

don't worry

he doesn't even need to make it a mod

it's a custom sandbox option @dark solar

[jovial summit]

I've tried it, and I found it quite limited

The cold options, right?

[fallow bridge]

yeah

temperature

[dark solar]

tbh, i'd rather have it be rquired in the mod. If it is too much of a hassle then ill just do that

[fallow bridge]

i... don't think that's possible?

having map specific weather

[dark solar]

well, it'd be a mod required in the map mod

[jovial summit]

Yeah I've personally found those not the greatest, as it's not a greater of a range

[fallow bridge]

i don't think it's possible

oh wait

i get what you mean

[dark solar]

yeah

[fallow bridge]

but i don't think you can affect temperatures without affecting ALL the temp

like game wide

[dark solar]

i see, thats a little annoying

[fallow bridge]

if you affect temperatures you affect EVERY temp

summer winter etc.

could be wrong

[dark solar]

is there a way to increase snowfall specifically in the winter or does that function the same way as temperatures?

[fallow bridge]

that functions the same way as temp

[dark solar]

i see

ah no worries then

[fallow bridge]

snow fall is just rain with a different texture

what map are you making to where you need that snow?

[dark solar]

oh, so could i also just increase rainfall?

[fallow bridge]

i s'pose

[dark solar]

its in canada

[fallow bridge]

oh cool

where in canada?

[jovial summit]

OH CANADA

[fallow bridge]

newfoundland?

[jovial summit]

OUR HOME AND NATIVE LAND

[dark solar]

sort of near Minnesota/Michigan

[fallow bridge]

oh -_-

so boring

xD

[dark solar]

lol

[jovial summit]

I've wanted to do Edmonton for a bit, but I decided to try with a smaller town imma call Fox Creek

[dark solar]

i am also making a Quebecois map but thats on hold for now.

[jovial summit]

Anwyays, back your map lmao

[fallow bridge]

i want someone to make a map of the state of Vermont

that'd be really fucking cool

[dark solar]

lol

biiiig project

[fallow bridge]

not really xD

[dark solar]

yes

really

[fallow bridge]

vermonts not that big at all

i LIVE HERE

after all

[dark solar]

its huge in the map world

[jovial summit]

Also we should probably go to #mapping ?

[dark solar]

meh, i think we're still okay here

[jovial summit]

Probably, but eh

[dark solar]

but anyways VunderFiz, could i also just increase rainfall so that snowfall also rises?

[fallow bridge]

map making goes in mapping

i suppose

i've never tried that

i've always just set my temp to cold

[dark solar]

hm i see

well i have no clue how to even start going about that

so ill just put it off

lol

[willow estuary]

Fixes the holes, and defense degradation, BUT your tailoring skills determines how much the condition is restored.
Which means that if you have low tailoring skill, even if you keep throwing new plates in it, it will still eventually fall apart and be useless/unrepairable when condition hits 0.
The list of vests is dynamically generated as well.

[sour island]

`ProjectZomboid\media\lua\shared\Util\Vector2.lua' is a dead lua file that overwrites Vector2 exposure. Is the forums still the goto place to report bugs?

[fallow bridge]

yep

[sour island]

👍

[willow estuary]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2426213420

[jovial summit]

Hell yeah

[heady kiln]

any other modders here? i need help

[heady kiln]

how do i make a water container not let you drink from it passively in your inventory?

and what is the internal name for the water dispenser when its been picked up and is in your inventory

[sour island]

There isn't a general water container item type- it's handled via Delta and other vars. So you have a version of every container for every type of liquid.

You can find these on the scripts with ctrl+f for the word water

[heady kiln]

{
    
    imports
    {
        Base
    }
    
    
    item WDBottleFull
    {
        IsWaterSource    =    TRUE,
        Weight    =    30,
        CanStoreWater    =    TRUE,
        Type    =    Drainable,
        DisplayName    =    Water Dispenser Bottle With Water,
        UseWhileEquipped    =    FALSE,
        UseDelta    =    0.004,
        ReplaceOnDeplete    =    WDBottleEmpty,
        CustomContextMenu = Drink,
        ReplaceOnUseOn    =    WaterSource-WDBottleFull,
        Icon    =    WDBottleWater,
        EatType = Pot,
        StaticModel = BleachBottle,
    }
    
    item WDBottleEmpty
    {
        Weight    =    5,
        CanStoreWater    =    TRUE,
        Type    =    Normal,
        DisplayName    =    Water Dispenser Bottle,
        Icon    =    WDBottle,
        ReplaceOnUseOn = WaterSource-WDBottleFull,
        RainFactor = 0,
        StaticModel = BleachBottle,
    }
    
    recipe Remove Bottle From Water Dispenser
    {
        EmptyPetrolCan,
        

        Result:WDBottleEmpty,
        Category:Survivalist,
        Time:20,
    }
    
    recipe Attach Bottle To Water Dispenser
    {
        WDBottleEmpty,
        

        Result:EmptyPetrolCan,
        Category:Survivalist,
        Time:20,
    }
    
    
}``` 
this is what i have right now

[sour island]

Try
```lua
Code
```
When posting code here

[heady kiln]

ideally i would set it so the player doesn't automatically just sip from the bottle as they need water, if thats possible, and i also need to replace emptypetrolcan with whatever the internal name for the picked up water dispenser is

[sour island]

The apostrophes(and lua) have to be on their own lines- lua should change colors of you're doing it right

Also, it wouldn't be ideal to prevent the player from drinking the items from the item's side of things

That function is handled in player update

[heady kiln]

aight, ill worry about the not drinking bit later, but the important bit i need is the internal name

for picked up water dispenser

[sour island]

You could create another item type- that is a sealed version similar to cans

But I already thing there's so much item bloat with fluids . _ .

[heady kiln]

ive gone through debug mode, ive gone through game files, i cannot find the name for it

[sour island]

There isn't just 1

Bottle with water, bucket with water

Etc

[heady kiln]

i mean the office water cooler

that you pick up

[sour island]

Ah

[heady kiln]

when its an item, held in inventory

[sour island]

That's not an item

[heady kiln]

well, then whatever it is

[sour island]

There should be a script for worldobjects

Iirc

[heady kiln]

dont see a worldobjects file in the scripts folder

[sour island]

You can drink from it while carrying it??

[heady kiln]

not by default, but im trying to make a mod that lets you pull the bottle off the top and use it like a very heavy very large water bottle, but for the purpose of moving water, not as a drinking bottle

[sour island]

Ah

[heady kiln]

but right now, i have empty gas can as a placeholder for the water dispenser

[sour island]

Try changing it's item type-

Drainables have very particular behavior

That might be calling the autodrink

Also you have context drink in there

[heady kiln]

im forgetting the drink bit for a moment, i want to get the recipe fixed first

[sour island]

Ah

I think someone mentioned using mapobjects in recipes the other day

If you search this chat for the word anvil

I'm not sure if you can impact mapobjects in this way normally- but anything is doable

[heady kiln]

hmm, seems like the talk of an anvil was about having to stand near a map object for the recipe to be available

im trying to have it so the player uses the pick up tool on the water dispenser, has it in their inventory, and then uses it in the recipe

without breaking the regular functions of the water dispenser as a result, it should function as normal until used in the recipe, at which point it obviously just stops existing

[sour island]

So the dispenser disappears?

[heady kiln]

yes, it is consumed by the recipe and the player receives a different item as the result of the recipe

[sour island]

The issue is a dispenser isnt an inventory item but a mapobject you can hold in your inventory

[heady kiln]

so despite being in the inventory it cannot be treated like other items within the inventory?

[sour island]

I would assume not, depending on how recipes are read

What is the item type displayed when you're moving it?

[heady kiln]

ill check, 1 sec

an item

and ideally, this recipe would use the dispenser, not a gas can

[sour island]

Strange, Im fairly certain that's it's a movable

But I suppose 'movable' would appear as item

This would probably take looking into the system more to understand what's happening

Unfortunately things that look simple on the onset can become complicated

Wish I could have been more help :(

[heady kiln]

alright, well thanks for trying, ill continue this another time, i need sleep

[left plank]

just at throwaway idea I had, what if you could mod it so if someone started on a holiday, like Halloween, the worlds houses would have spooky decorations forever

[ripe geyser]

Guy, what kind of beta i have to choosa so i can play wit swat and riot mod and PLL mod?

[left plank]

41 or IWBUMS

depends on the version of the mod though

[ripe geyser]

what is the difference between them?

[left plank]

no difference

[ripe geyser]

so if the mod states that its compatible with 41.x version and newer doesnt work

hwo can i make sure i run correct version? is there any way?

[left plank]

how many mods do you have?>

how do you know it doesn't work?

what happens exactly

[ripe geyser]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2279084780&searchtext=PAW+low

look at the description

is there any way i can make sure i run correct version of the game?

[sonic flame]

41.50 is the current beta so it should work, but the mod author is taking a break so future updates may or may not work

[fallow bridge]

there is zero difference between IWBUMS and Build 41, they are both the same exact update and both recieve the same updates. they are just to make it easier for new people to get into b41 quickly

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/enKsROzsmiK4L3_ng9ER6wxDGNGJ1XLyodYS09UgsJ0/https/projectzomboid.com/blog/content/uploads/2019/10/iwbumshowto-768x486.gif?width=400&height=253

follow that

choose either iwillbackupmysave

or B41

as i said it doesn't matter

UNLESS your already in that version of the game

and considering your using pawlowloot i can assume you are

[trail radish]

Hi Guys im looking to make my first mod for this game i want to make a helmet what do i need

[jovial summit]

A computer

There’s a tutorial on the forums

[trail radish]

😆

[fallow bridge]

where's the vanilla clothing icons file located?

i need to change a icon to fit something i changed

[nimble spoke]

In UI2.pack

[fallow bridge]

thanks

[nimble spoke]

you should be able to override them by placing a file in media/textures/

[fallow bridge]

i'm not making a mod

i'm just changing one specific thing

well shit now i need to now how to edit specific icons

shieeet

i've decided to make my custom hawaiian shirt texture to have a icon that reflect the changes i did

[zealous wing]

@fallow bridge So I figured out why that one recipe was borked:
`module MetalBat
{
imports
{
Base
}

recipe Make Metal Bat
    {
        keep Blowtorch,
        SmallSheetMetal,
        WeldingRods;2,
        Metalpipe,
        
        Result:MetalBat,
        Time:200.0,
        Category:Smithing,
    }

}`
That's the fixed one I came up with. I set the module to match what's in Item_MetalBat.txt. I also changed the category to Smithing, because I realized the internal file name isn't Metalwork but that.

Initially you had the module set to Base for the recipe, while also importing Base. That... will cause crashes.

But with the module set to "MetalBat", the problem goes away.

[fallow bridge]

i mean it's already working fine

i don't really need to change it now

[zealous wing]

Hmm. All right.

Weird.

But such is PZ modding. 😛

[fallow bridge]

indeed

[undone crag]

Hello I have a question, how do I get the item container of a grid square, to remove items from it?

I've got this far.

getWorld():getCell():getGridSquare(targetX,targetY,targetZ):getContainerItem(java.lang.String type):GetContainer();```

It's a mystery to me what java.lang.String type is though.

[carmine cosmos]

It refers to a type of ItemContainer

[undone crag]

Do you know where I can get the names of the types of itemContainers, or tell the name of the grid square's one?

[carmine cosmos]

For example "barbecue", "freezer", "crate" etc.

I don't know about getting the names of all types of ItemContainer, I could tell you all the types that currently exist, but I don't know how to get the list programatically from lua

[tame mulch]

heli wip

[undone crag]

Do you know the one for an empty grid square? Empty apart from the items lying on it.

[jovial summit]

Nice!

Also anon, do you mean like the floor board?

[late hound]

😆 ok this is epic

[jovial summit]

Also Aiteron, can you please squish a zombie with it

[carmine cosmos]

The default value for type in ItemContainer is "none"

[left plank]

did you just figure out flying

that looks insane

the tilt is nuts

[undone crag]

all right I'll try that

[late hound]

Flappy Bird Mod when?

[tame mulch]

It's not possible(

[jovial summit]

darn

[tame mulch]

It's already flappy bird like)

[sour island]

do you have to counter gravity?

[tame mulch]

gravity works. Now when pressing W car push up. Arrow keys for change angle

[sour island]

Nice

[tame mulch]

Some rotate

[sour island]

what if you have spacebar for lift, and wasd for leans?

[tame mulch]

need also 2 keys to rotate

[sour island]

w/s lean forward/back, and a/d rotate

[tame mulch]

• left/right angle on side

[jovial summit]

Hey quick question, how can I make a mod that changes attributes of an item, such as smokes giving you exhaustion, and adding that vitamins take away exhaustion?

[tame mulch]

IT WORKS

[jovial summit]

Nice job!!

[craggy furnace]

nice work

[carmine cosmos]

Use logic similar to this in a function that activates via context:

---@type IsoGameCharacter
local player = getSpecificPlayer(0)

---@type Float
local fatigue = 10.0

player:getStats():setFatigue(fatigue)

[jovial summit]

Thank you thank you!

[left plank]

this is incredible

I love this

[fallow bridge]

well fuck me sideways with a jackhammer

nice job man

[restive ginkgo]

How would one go about making a mod that makes normal objects edible.
Asking for a friend

[craggy furnace]

@restive ginkgo like making a stapler edible?

[restive ginkgo]

Precisely

Pick up table
Add table as spice
Science

[craggy furnace]

overwrite the stapler as an item and substitute it as food

keep the icon and name

my weird pica friend

[restive ginkgo]

using module base and the item, right

[craggy furnace]

yes

[restive ginkgo]

I indeed tried that, but didnt get any results

using a sheet as a test item, since its common enough to take from windows

[craggy furnace]

hmmm

it could be a name mismatch

i only have overwritten clothes

[restive ginkgo]

Hm, alright. I assume its as simple as changing it from a normal to a food, and adding the relevant hunger stats

I'll test with a few more random things and see

[tame mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPZYxyg90k

Thanks @craggy furnace !

[craggy furnace]

👌

[lost slate]

Good job !

[long grove]

what are the plans for this heli mod?

[craggy furnace]

@long grove which

[long grove]

uhhh, yours i think

[craggy furnace]

expanded heli events?

[long grove]

you're kingofsharks9 right?

[craggy furnace]

this is another project

yep

[long grove]

was interested in the idea of helicopters falling out of the sky

[craggy furnace]

so we have agreed on a few things

in the first week there will be routine helicopter flybys around certain areas

theyll have a PA system giving people on the ground instructions

they will also have machine guns

after a time theyll begin falling out of the sky

maybe some spotlights?

[long grove]

like they get infected or some shit?

interested to see how you'd even get a machine gun or spot light working

[craggy furnace]

it can be whatever you want to imagine

youll see 😉

ill have a trailer for it in the coming weeks

we have an idea for it to chase you if you try to escape the quarantine

[long grove]

pog, can't wait for my base to get destroyed by a rogue helicopter

[long grove]

kinda vague

[craggy furnace]

if you approach and linger around the edges of the map

itll spawn, a voice will yell at you over a PA to tell you to turn around

if you dont obey itll start firing

[left plank]

when it droppin

[long grove]

will it be faster than a car?

[craggy furnace]

its right on top of you

@left plank 🤷‍♂️

right now we are dealing with broken TIS code

there is a lua file that is just in our way for vectors

pretty sure we will be able to deal with it but so fucking annoying

[long grove]

nice to see that modding pz is still a disaster

[carmine cosmos]

@craggy furnace Concerning the EHE mod, are you building on top of a fork from the github project we started or did you start a new project? If the former is a case I can transfer the repository to your name so you can continue the progress

[craggy furnace]

@carmine cosmos nope, we have our own repo now

go ahead and delete it

thanks for checking 👍

[carmine cosmos]

Sure, I like the idea of the project and want it to succeed

[craggy furnace]

thanks man

[heady kiln]

would anyone happen to know how i can use the water dispenser in a recipe, i.e. you pick it up and have it in your inventory, then it is consumed by a recipe like any other item?

[nimble spoke]

Last time I checked (long time ago) movables couldn't be used in recipes

[heady kiln]

ah

can they be produced from recipes?

actually, forget that for now, ill worry about that later

would it be possible to add a context menu option to the water dispenser that when clicked gives you an item and removes the dispenser?

[nimble spoke]

yes, totally

I do that with metal barrels in my blacksmith mod

[heady kiln]

ah, great, well i guess thats how i'll do the removing the bottle from the cooler

[nimble spoke]

That's something I had in my list for a long time but never really tried it. I created the bottle item and was too lazy to work on the code. So here's an idea: make it possible to swap bottles as well

[heady kiln]

ah, im not sure how complicated im gonna be able to make it, i was kinda just gonna magic the cooler base into the void until the player uses the attach bottle to cooler option, wherever that ends up being, at which point it magics back into existance

not massively experienced in mod making

[nimble spoke]

with a swap option you wouldn't need to make it vanish, my idea needed me to create the sprite for a dispenser without the bottle and that's one of the reasons I never made it

all you'd have to do is change water amount

[heady kiln]

i also seem to be stuck at the "have made the bottle and am stuck at the dispenser" stage of mod creation

trying to figure out how the system works by reading the code for your metal drum

[heady kiln]

where the hell have the developers hidden the code for the water dispenser

i cant find the bloody thing

[nimble spoke]

what do you mean?

[heady kiln]

im going through the game files trying to find where the game defines how all the bits of the water dispenser work

[nimble spoke]

It's all in TileDefinitions.tile you can access that using TileZed

[heady kiln]

tilezed is just telling me its not a map file evry time i try to open a .tiles file

[grizzled grove]

use Tools>Tile Properties to load that file

[heady kiln]

ah, thanks

well, i found the water dispenser in here, but the information its given me seems less useful than i thought it would be

[nimble spoke]

There is a value, WaterAmount or something like that, that you're going to check and change in your lua

[hollow cloud]

Hello all. Was told to ask periodically in here to see if a modder wants to take on making an addition to a abandoned mod. I wanted the ability to move marked items to the ground out of a corpse so as to know which corpse has been searched. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=603863176

[sour island]

You may have better luck if you start the process yourself

[hollow cloud]

Process?

Oh try and work on it myself?

[sour island]

Like attempt to mod it yourself, and ask for help, rather than hope someone would be interested

yeah- modding is fun

[hollow cloud]

No doubt it is.

I actually looked at the Lua V4 book to see if I could

Had no idea of where to start with modding a mod

[quasi ginkgo]

try to make something simple

and edit an existing code (just looking at the code of a simple weapon mod helps a lot)

[hollow cloud]

OK. Will look at the code to drop the backpack and see if I can work it in

[craggy furnace]

time for it to get some rotor work

[nimble spoke]

Can't wait to see that working

[craggy furnace]

geniunely curious to see how hard we can push this game

[hollow cloud]

Guess next I should ask is there a specific interpreter that is used?

[quasi ginkgo]

blender is a wonderful abomination

am I right, @craggy furnace ?

[craggy furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/two-cars-russia-wtf-drive-gif-3741290

thats zomboid code in a nutshell

and physics

https://tenor.com/view/car-dead-deadcar-kick-powerkick-gif-5869539

[quasi ginkgo]

You still haven't answered me

[craggy furnace]

blender is like having an ak-47 with an under barrel cheese grater

[winged ivy]

why is there a lack of bikes

[sour island]

interpreter?

if you mean a program to use, I would recommend at the very least notepad++ or anything with markup (colored code)

you could jump straight into an IDE- but as you're starting out there's no need to rush into it

[winged ivy]

Maybe after some time try Visual Code, it has a ton of plugins that make life easier, and it can handle most if not all programming languages

[shrewd grove]

blender works fine, ive never had a single issue with it.

[sour island]

why's your name upside down then?

[latent orchid]

he's in australia presently

[craggy furnace]

i didnt say blender is bad

i said its an ak47 with a cheese grater

it will go bang everytime and works well but there are weird parts

[winged ivy]

why a cheese grater, why not a tactical chainsaw

[craggy furnace]

tactical chainsaws have a cool factor

[sour island]

tacticool

[craggy furnace]

cheese graters make you go "hmm"

[winged ivy]

what if the cheese grater is the whole handguard

[sour island]

what if it was painted matte black

then it's a cool cheese grater

[winged ivy]

now were just taking a jab at skeletonized parts

[sour island]

military grade cheese grater

[quasi ginkgo]

So...epic?

I mean I started using it 3 days ago

It's not that bad

[sonic flame]

and we're off

[sour island]

nice

[jolly urchin]

anyone know any nice mod packs with cars and items that will work for the newest IWBUMS patch that could link it to me?

[sour island]

Unless there was massive changes most mods that are listed/mention 41 should be fine

mods marked for b40 or older could also work depending on what they do

[long grove]

any car mods ftom b40 are a big no no in b41

[low yarrow]

Is it not possible to mix up modules for the attached zombie loot like that?

For some reason i find bread, kitchen and hunting knifes. But no BCGTools

If i remove the "Base" ones from that list it works fine. but then i only find BCGTools

[willow estuary]

Ah! I don't know if this is the problem in this instance?

But I found with mod items, that if they aren't in the module "Base" there can be corner case circumstances where they don't behave properly?
I make all my stuff module "Base" now on account of it.

Honestly, I think using a module other than Base is a pain in the ass that causes issues with little to no return? One can just make the actual item names distinct enough to avoid potential conflicts, such as Base.BCGTools_SurvivialKnife.

[low yarrow]

Thanks, i will try out that suggestion.
If that doesnt work i will move my stuff to "base" completly as well

[low yarrow]

oh, did read it wrong. Thought you meant like "Base.BCGTools.[Name]". Didnt worked out 😄

Yea i might just put the modname in the item name

Will it fuck up savegames of people when i change the module name of items and upload the new mod version?

[willow estuary]

Yeah, it absolutely will. So I'd suggest testing testing my suggestion first and making sure it solves your issue first?

Dunno what I can offer as a solution re fucking up savegames, other than the sooner your rip off the bandaid the better?

[low yarrow]

Or i make my old mod private and publish the new version

[willow estuary]

Oh!!!!! What you do is include a second version of the items file that does use the old module, just for legacy compatability so items don;t despawn!

[low yarrow]

Can i achieve that while the upload process?

[willow estuary]

Ah, sorry, don;t understand the question 😄

[low yarrow]

Well, how do i can upload different versions? 😄

I have seen that at one mod as well. basically downloaded one mod, and had several options to activate in the PZ Mod menu

[quasi ginkgo]

wait so you want a version of your weapons?

[willow estuary]

But my suggestion is something like having one file that's

{
 item NewKnife
{}
}```
for legacy compatitbility

And in the same mod also have a file with
```module Base
{
item FancyModuleName_NewKnife
{}
}

[low yarrow]

I see. And the distibution LUAs only link to the new version then.

Thanks, i try that

[willow estuary]

Yeah, exactly.

[low yarrow]

Just want to upgrade the structure a bit

[quasi ginkgo]

you can do what other modders do and make a completely new mod, copy your existing code and change it a bit

blair does that with his mods sometimes

[low yarrow]

Well, i just duplicate the Weapon file since its the easiest way i think.
And then i delete the file in a year or so

Just to make sure. Is that the right way?
Or do i still need to use "import" then?

[willow estuary]

You should only need to import if there's recipes using Base module items.

[low yarrow]

Some fixing and Knifes to spear recipes are using base module items i think

[willow estuary]

Ah, okay then.

Also, I really suggest using item names like BCGTools_HandHatchet and not HandHatchet if you switch to Base module?

[low yarrow]

To make it compatible in case a other modder uses the name "HandHatchet" as well?

[willow estuary]

Yeah, exactly. Otherwise you'll get weird corner case issues.

[low yarrow]

Yea i might do that then

[willow estuary]

Now, again, make sure that switching module solves your issues with the weapons not being attached before putting a bunch of time and effort into this?

[low yarrow]

True 😄

[willow estuary]

It could be something other than the module name, I just have experienced past corner case issues where is some cases module names other than Base caused problem? But I do a lot of weird/outre stuff with items in mods.

[low yarrow]

Yea, there might be a easy solution hidden somewhere. Will share it if i have found out something

[willow estuary]

Oh thank gawd you did the item spawns the right way and didn't fuck up the distro tables.

[low yarrow]

yea. Someone told me that the "elegant way of doing it". So i did 😄

I wonder if there is a similar way at adding attached weapons on zombies

[willow estuary]

In theory, yes?

[low yarrow]

In case we are talking about that:

[willow estuary]

Yeah, I mean, I've never tried it, but it should work?

[low yarrow]

Well, this is how that looks:

Its a bit different from the normal item distribution

So i am not sure how i would need to format that

[willow estuary]

Now either, or both of

table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")

or

table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions.knifeBack.weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")

should work according to my stoned idiot caveman understanding of things?
But, as with all such things, it would involve rigorous testing and trail and error.

Most of the time I just keep trying different combinations of Lego pieces until something works? 😉

[low yarrow]

Your idea looks reasonable. I give it a try 😄

[willow estuary]

Okay, one thing you can do for testing is in your attached weapon definitions file is have somewhere in it

AttachedWeaponDefinitions.chanceOfAttachedWeapon = 600 -- or some other large number```
in that increases the chance of attatched weapons spawning, as the vanilla default value is
```lua
AttachedWeaponDefinitions.chanceOfAttachedWeapon = 6```

[low yarrow]

Thanks!

[low yarrow]

after a bit of testing:
"table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")

and
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions.knifeBack.weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
Doesnt seems to work

But putting this in indeed increases the chance for spawning:
AttachedWeaponDefinitions.chanceOfAttachedWeapon = 600

[willow estuary]

Any errors?
But yeah, trial and error with lego pieces until something works.
I'd suggest:

• trying with the Base module versions to see if the module was the issue
• also "spamming" the table so the odds are in favour of your item being chose?, ie

table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")
table.insert(AttachedWeaponDefinitions["knifeBack"].weapons, "BCGTools.SurvivialKnife")

[low yarrow]

Nope, no errors

Thanks, will give that a try

[willow estuary]

Okay, the lack of errors is good sign, in that generally doing something wrong with tables will generate an error!

SHIT DUDE!

It's the fucking daySurvived that's probably hanging you up @low yarrow

[low yarrow]

Nope. I made a Sandbox preset which starts in the 12th month

Also the weird thing is that hunting knifes and such still spawn properly. So the group gets triggered. it just ignores my stuff

[willow estuary]

Ah, okay. This might help in that it should increase the proportion of the particular definition spawning for testing purpose

AttachedWeaponDefinitions.THE SPECIFIC DEFINITION YOU ARE TESTING.chance = 600 -- or some other big number

[low yarrow]

Oh wait a minute. there is a spell error 😄

[willow estuary]

Haha, oh yeah. Those and formatting errors are responsible for 90% of these sorts of problems 😄

[low yarrow]

Survivial = Survival

[willow estuary]

Hahah, yeah, shit man sorry. Uh... ....don;t cut and paste my examples, just use them as a guide?

[low yarrow]

Yea, no problem 😄

[willow estuary]

I should have said that

[low yarrow]

My mistake

[willow estuary]

Like, I'm not using notepad+++ or testing any of this shit here, just going off the top of my head?
And I have health issues that fuck up my spelling so um, yeah, don't cut and paste it 😛

[low yarrow]

Alright, will keep that in mind 😄

[willow estuary]

They're just examples!

Having said that, always double check the spelling, Like if a spelling error crept into your original code way back where we started with that, that could have been the sole reason it wasn't working?

[low yarrow]

Works now as intended. Thanks!

The red knife is mine 😄

[willow estuary]

SICK Dude!!!!

[low yarrow]

Good good. Then i can upgrade my mod properly

[willow estuary]

So yeah, looks like you don't need to change the module name then?

[low yarrow]

Nope 😄

[willow estuary]

Hahaha, just in case you do have weird behaviour in the future with new mod items, do try using Base for the module instead just in case?

Like I said, it's rare corner cases where it's been a problem, and not a general issue.

[little mason]

what is unofficial mp mod

and does it work on .41?

[low yarrow]

The thing about own modules i like is that it seems to be more compatible with other mods in some cases

Like otherwise i have to put the mod name into every item to make sure

[lethal sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2427699853&searchtext=

This seems the most appropriate channel to post my newest mod, Alfrety's Additional Sodas. Crack open a cold, caffienated can of Alfrety's Additional Sodas while you can, before I get DMCA'd by Pepsi™️.

[quasi ginkgo]

That's one of the only reasons why god is still alive

[lethal sparrow]

Some choose to believe that Ramon Laguarta is God.

[craggy furnace]

bepis

[jovial summit]

pebis

[severe ridge]

bepis

[quasi ginkgo]

it's a pretty good mod ngl

just played a bit with it

it seems like its part of the more chips and more beer mod

[lethal sparrow]

Thank you! It came from the heart

I could definitely see this being compatable with the "all american apocalypse" type of mods where people ||stuff their faces||

What's more american than a burger in one hand and a name-brand soda in the other.

[quasi ginkgo]

        fridge = 
        {
            rolls = 5,
            items = 
            {
                "BAM.budlight", 4, 
                "BAM.coorslight", 4, 
                "BAM.millerlight", 4,
            }
        },

        inventorymale = {
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "BAM.budlight", 0.2,
                "BAM.coorslight", 0.2,
                "BAM.millerlight", 0.2,
                "BAM.budlightcase", 0.05,
                "BAM.coorslightcase", 0.05,
                "BAM.millerlightcase", 0.05,
            }
        },
        
        inventoryfemale = {
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "BAM.budlight", 0.1,
                "BAM.coorslight", 0.1,
                "BAM.millerlight", 0.1,
                "BAM.budlightcase", 0.025,
                "BAM.coorslightcase", 0.025,
                "BAM.millerlightcase", 0.025,
            }
        },
        
        counter =
        {
            rolls = 6,
            items = 
            {
                "BAM.budlightcase", 4,
                "BAM.coorslightcase", 4,
                "BAM.millerlightcase", 4,
            }
        },
    },```

items are spawning on counters and fridge

But not on zombies

[lethal sparrow]

All of that is inside all = {} right?

[quasi ginkgo]

local distributionTable = 
{
    spiffoskitchen =
    {
        fridge = 
        {
            rolls = 5,
            items = 
            {
                "BAM.budlight", 4, 
                "BAM.coorslight", 4, 
                "BAM.millerlight", 4,
            }
        },

        inventorymale = {
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "BAM.budlight", 1,
                "BAM.coorslight", 1,
                "BAM.millerlight", 1,
                "BAM.budlightcase", 1,
                "BAM.coorslightcase", 1,
                "BAM.millerlightcase", 1,
            }
        },```

It's inside this

[lethal sparrow]

Put it inside all

Unless, of course, that refers to zombies killed exclusively within their kitchen. Is it called that way? Conditionally?

[quasi ginkgo]

no

This is the file

[craggy furnace]

alright, we got loudspeakers on helicopters now

[lethal sparrow]

Distributions = Distributions or {};

local distributionTable = {
   all =
    {
        inventorymale = {
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "AAS.MountainDew", 0.3,
                "AAS.Pepsi", 0.3,
                "AAS.RootBeer", 0.3,
            }
        },
        
        inventoryfemale = {
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "AAS.MountainDew", 0.3,
                "AAS.Pepsi", 0.3,
                "AAS.RootBeer", 0.3,
            }
            
        },
    },
}

table.insert(Distributions, 1, distributionTable);
--for mod compat:
SuburbsDistributions = distributionTable;```

There's a trimmed snippet for how I got mine to spawn in dead zeds

[jovial summit]

Can it play Fortunate Son Shark?

[craggy furnace]

no

[lethal sparrow]

Incidentally, how are you testing your loot? You made it pretty rare, are you just killing them by the thousands?

It's a problem I had myself.

[quasi ginkgo]

wait, yeah this might be it

so 5 equals 5%?

[lethal sparrow]

Yeah

[quasi ginkgo]

oof

[lethal sparrow]

rolls is the number of times it runs through the following block, and the number specified is the chance out of a hundred

So, in my example given, there is a 0.3% chance for there to be one of each soda on a dead zombie. Maybe a little high.

[willow estuary]

Don't include rolls in your tables; that applies to the distro table as a whole and not just your mod items.

This is a super common mistake people make that fucks up distributions in general.

[craggy furnace]

well

[lethal sparrow]

You mean we should simply omit the rolls = ~ specification?

[craggy furnace]

he isnt using base

[willow estuary]

Yes.

[craggy furnace]

i make that mistake so he is further than most people 😆

[quasi ginkgo]

so basically we remove the rolls script?

seems like a no shit sherlock question but I'm dumb so...

[craggy furnace]

yes

[lethal sparrow]

That would mean that the number of rolls used is simply the one specified by the vanilla game, then? We omit it to avoid overwriting that number?

[craggy furnace]

because it can interfere and disrupt other mods and a bit unreliable

[willow estuary]

Example
Mod:

    gigamart =
    {
        counter ={
            rolls = 1,
            items = {
                "AAS.MountainDewBox", 10,```
Vanilla
```lua
 
    gigamart =
    {        
        counter ={
            rolls = 4,
            items = {```
So what that means is that your mod has reduced the amount of items spawning in gigmart counters to 1/4 of what vanilla spawns.

[craggy furnace]

and just be invasive with other mods

[lethal sparrow]

That makes sense. I had seen this as a distributions file specifically for my mod, I didn't think that it might affect the global loot determination

Fixing immidately

[willow estuary]

I strongly prefer using table.insert for adding mod items to distro tables as follows

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["ToolsCache1"]["ToolsBox"].items, "BCGTools.HandHatchet");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["ToolsCache1"]["ToolsBox"].items, 3);```
I don't like or trust the other method, as it can cause things like the rolls fuckup?

I make myself use the other method for some circumstances, but I don't like it 😄

[lethal sparrow]

That seems to be a better method anyway as the item added would be also included in procedural lists.

Would you call that in the same distributions file?

[willow estuary]

Yeah, shouldn't be a problem? Procedural distributions works with that as well, just slightly different formatting.

table.insert(ProceduralDistributions.list["FirearmWeapons"].items, 1)```

[lethal sparrow]

Item is updated to omit references to roll = ~ and credited thanks to you in the edit log

[quasi ginkgo]

so I just change roll = 1 to roll = ~?

[lethal sparrow]

No, remove the line entirely

[quasi ginkgo]

its funny how a single line of code can break every single other mod

[lethal sparrow]

Funny and enlightening. Important to be mindful what you might be overriding, and that better methods might exist than the easiest one.

[willow estuary]

Credit goes to MadmanAndre in that he took the initiative in investigating exactly how mods fuck up other mods/vanilla distros?

And hoooo boy were we ever horrified by what we found 😄

[lethal sparrow]

Everyone is a combination of their predecessors. You can always take pride in what you've done even if it was only an echo of who came before you.

[nimble spoke]

Not to mention overriding a table like that is probably undoing additions made to that table by mods that loaded before yours

[lethal sparrow]

That's very concerning. I'm assuming that the presence of vanilla items in containers would mean I am adding my items non-destructively, but is that untrue?

[grizzled grove]

wait, so what exactly is rolls? I took it to mean "This container rolls a die n times to determine its content"

[nimble spoke]

yeah

[grizzled grove]

using that 1 and 4 example above, i'm now confused

[nimble spoke]

The example you posted for inventorymale and inventoryfemale should not be spawning any other items if it is working correctly

[lethal sparrow]

It tested well with vanilla items, but very concerning.

On the side of safety, I'll rewrite it to use table.insert right away

[nimble spoke]

roll = 1 container rolls once, finds an item (or not) and stops. so it can spawn up to 1 item, rolls = 4 can spawn up to 4 items and so on

of course this is also affected by loot spawn rarity variables

[grizzled grove]

OH. i read the examples backward, thanks

[drifting ore]

ngl a ushanka mod would be p nice

or a mod with one

[craggy furnace]

i could do that

later

someone made one but never implemented it

[drifting ore]

😳 😳

[nimble spoke]

and since we are talking about loot tables.... tables that include a "junk" table can spawn those items if the "items" table didn't spawn enough items. So if your item isn't very useful or should not have a high priority along with vanilla loot, consider inserting it in the junk table

[lethal sparrow]

Is table.insert and related syntax documented anywhere? It isn't mentioned on the wiki or in Zomboid-Modding-Guide-master

The only reference I could find was in my mod's distribution file at the bottom table.insert(Distributions, 1, distributionTable);

[nimble spoke]

table.insert is a lua function, you can finding it in lua guides

[lethal sparrow]

Oh, thank you. I normally use C# or java

[carmine cosmos]

Do I hear Java? 💓

[lethal sparrow]

First language I learned back in 2013. Funny enough it was to make minecraft mods.

[carmine cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-will-ferrell-awesome-gif-14597941

[finite radish]

java 🤮

[lethal sparrow]

You would not exist if not for your grandfather, Crater.

[finite radish]

yeah true but java in 2021 is like

why

it's so UGLY

"but muh cross compatibility" sorry but your obscure linux distro from 2009 isn't really a platform that needs to be supported in the first place

[lethal sparrow]

You would think with how easily straw men fall, we would stop sending them.

[finite radish]

wot

[lethal sparrow]

I've been poring over the documentation, as well as the failed attempts of six-year old reddit posts, and I feel I've struggled enough to warrant asking for more help.

--blair's example
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["ToolsCache1"]["ToolsBox"].items, "BCGTools.HandHatchet");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["ToolsCache1"]["ToolsBox"].items, 3);
--my take
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, "AAS.MountainDew", "AAS.Pepsi", "AAS.RootBeer");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, "AAS.MountainDew", "AAS.Pepsi", "AAS.RootBeer");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, 5);```

I would really do this, again and again, for every category on the table? And that would fix it?

Every relevant category that is.

I don't know if the comma is appropriate either. Indexing multiple items was something I read mixed entries on

[willow estuary]

Huh, I don't know re multiple items separated by commas, but I would assume it wouldn't work?

I mean, as long as your version w/o the rolls field works it should be fine as is now.

[lethal sparrow]

I've become paranoid that that method might interfere with other mods. Per Soul Filcher's advice, I did an extended play test during which I, like he said, wasn't able to find modded loot on zombies. Only my pepsi.

[low yarrow]

I wonder if i can use this multiple names in commas at that cases here:

will try that out tomorrow

[lethal sparrow]

I wouldn't. That was a total sho tin the dark by me based on very old examples.

[willow estuary]

This is how I would do it

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, "AAS.MountainDew");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, "AAS.Pepsi");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, "AAS.RootBeer");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["fridge"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, "AAS.MountainDew");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, "AAS.Pepsi");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, 5);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, "AAS.RootBeer");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["burgerkitchen"]["counter"].items, 5);

[low yarrow]

Oh. Well 😄

[nimble spoke]

I don't know if table.insert allows for that way of passing multiple parameters after comas, but in nay case it won't work for the distributions table as you MUST insert the spawn chance right after the item, so in the very least it should be itemA, 2, itemB, 5 and so on

[willow estuary]

The major disadvantage of the table.insert method is that yes, it is more labour intensive than the other method.

[lethal sparrow]

You've all been very helpful, and I thank you

[wanton cosmos]

i'm making my first mod

and i need a bit of help
if anyone's free

[lethal sparrow]

But that was all I was worried about. It felt like I was copying and pasting too many lines, bloat like that, in my sense, was always the mark of an amatuer making a mistake.

But if it is the correct method my fears are put to rest.

[willow estuary]

Yeah, I'm certainly not a fan of all the cutting and pasting with the insert method. 😄

[nimble spoke]

Let us know where exactly you're struggling

[wanton cosmos]

the mod is called "You've got mail"
and what is supposed to happen is:
every in game day a random item from any spawns in the closest mailbox

it can be overpowered,

it can be weak as hell

it can be inbetween

[willow estuary]

That's pretty ambitious for a first mod. And I would strongly suggest starting with something super simple and working your way up to that.

[wanton cosmos]

as long as it doesn't go over the weight limit i'm fine

eh

just been feeling like making mailboxes more useful

[quasi ginkgo]

im trying to add this to a beer mod

[lethal sparrow]

If you're dead set, I would start by examining the precedent set in the game files for loot respawning every day, as defined by sandbox options. Study whatever makes that tick and modify it for your own use.

[quasi ginkgo]

but uhh

can't seem to add it

[wanton cosmos]

where is the files for that part

[quasi ginkgo]

in media

[lethal sparrow]

I wouldn't know. But learning your way around the local files is going to be a critical first step no matter what you end up making

In your steam library, right click zomboid and go to properties, browse local files. The language of the gods lie within.

[wanton cosmos]

i'm already inside the game files i'm just looking for the loot respawn bit

[lethal sparrow]

Then god speed, friend. You've gone as far as anyone can take you without doing it for you. And god knows I don't know how to do it for you. You could always, of course, take the advice of attempting a smaller project while you learn these fundamentals

[quasi ginkgo]

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu02");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu03");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu04");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu05");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu06");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu07");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu08");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu09");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu10");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu11");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "USMRE.MREmenu12");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);```

how rare is a single item here?

[lethal sparrow]

The same as defined under the last system, 0.05 out of every hundred.

So, 0.05%

[wanton cosmos]

also authentic peach said he is willing to teach how to make custom animations, yet i can't find the time to talk to him, and same thing otherway 'round.
so if anyone has the knowledge from authentic and also can help that would be great

[quasi ginkgo]

this explains why I couldn't find a sinlg MRE

[willow estuary]

The loot respawn/spawn stuff is handled by the java files in the ProjectZomboid/zombie directory; you're going to need a decompiler to peep them.

Again, this sorta thing is probably outside the practical scope of a first mod.

[lethal sparrow]

Rolls, I assume, use the vanilla number as we previously deduced so it would be 0.05% per vanilla roll per container.

[willow estuary]

Again, you're wrong in this instance, you're not helping, and you really need to cut it out with this bizarre compulsion you have to provide misleading advice in this channel when you don't know what you're talking about.

[quasi ginkgo]

first of all

I know what I'm talking about

the game stores most of its assest in media

[fallow bridge]

that is actually true.

[lethal sparrow]

This is a far better system, now that I understand it. Cheers, Soul Filcher and Blair. What Filcher was touching upon earlier, making less important items junk, this would be done by replacing .items with .junk, I assume?

[willow estuary]

Yep. Haven't played junk spawning yet, so I don't have much of a handle of what circumstances it spawns in lie of items, but that should work.
But, as always, rigorously test it 😉

[lethal sparrow]

Naturally. Don't want someone to get a crumpled up empty soda can in the garbage can instead of tasty cigarettes, after all.

[nimble spoke]

yeah, same table.insert line, just replace items with junk

keep in mind it will only work for tables that already have a junk table in them

[lethal sparrow]

Good warn. I'll check if bins have a junk table.

[willow estuary]

Hot tip regarding testing loot spawns here.
I use this in debug mode, and I doubt this is a feature in non-debug mode, but you can, via the load saved game interface, delete the saved world data, which forces a loot respawn, by deleting the top 3 items here

[nimble spoke]

junk spawn depends on rarity, but it is the inverse of the items table (I think) so when you play with rare loot, junk items are more likely to spawn to fill containers

[lethal sparrow]

Empty soda cans for days, nice

But that would be consistent with what I picked up earlier. That junk spawns in after items, making it more likely if there weren't any.

[latent orchid]

shouldnt be too hard to check if junk table exists and either add or create the entry for vanilla SuburbsDistributions entries

[lethal sparrow]

Not at all, just a quick pop of yonder items file

I might be over-referencing it, but that's what it's there for after all

[latent orchid]

im not a fan of the line by line table inserts, recommend a central group of tables that are then appended to existing 'item' and 'junk' entries for each roomdef. This way you can add more items to your mod without adding another 100 lines of addition code!

also easier to update when TIS decides to change roomdefs i guess...but thats trivial

[willow estuary]

I am absolutely the idiot here in trying to reason with you, but:
LootRespawn.class

Located in ProjectZomboid/zombie and not ProjectZomboid/media

[craggy furnace]

needs to be scuffed up more but almost

[jovial summit]

Nice job dude!

[quasi ginkgo]

He's doing god's work

With god I meant RJ

He's basically nerfing the helicopter

[craggy furnace]

id like to see some helicopters scanning around with their search lights on

gunning zombies down

gonna see the feasibility of search lights real soon

worldflares dont work but something like lightentity may

[quasi ginkgo]

Can you do anything at all about the shadows?

[craggy furnace]

maybe but probably no

[quasi ginkgo]

Or is it another "the engine sucks I can't do anything about it" situation

[craggy furnace]

i wouldnt say the engine sucks

id say whats available and whats not

[quasi ginkgo]

It's not that bad

[craggy furnace]

my only real complaints with PZ modding are old deprecated code in the way and references to stuff that doesnt exist anymore

my only suggestions to TIS is to one day do some spring cleaning in their code base

[quasi ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-haha-good-joke-gif-16725762

[craggy furnace]

idk

they probably will

it just needs to be in their way enough

[nimble spoke]

I remember seeing a reference to the shadow image file somewhere

I stumbled on it by accident while looking for other things

in theory it should be possible to use another image file for the heli

[craggy furnace]

interesting

was thinking of using the actual heli location for the search lights

[willow estuary]

I think so, but that leaves your server open to being hacked.

...and also your client and server will be running different versions of the game, which could have all sorts of potentially catastrophic consequences, so it's not desirable by any means in my estimation.

[willow estuary]

1. Ordinarily in MP servers run a check to make sure the server and client files match
2. The reason it does this is to keep a player from using a modified client to hack the server/game
3. In order to have different server and client files you would need to disable that check
4. However then you leave your server/game open to being hacked by modified files on the client end, and YOU DO NOT WANT THIS!

[vestal umbra]

Just wanted to throw out what came to mind for me:

Instead of trying to run two different clients at the same time and risk getting hacked like Blair said, it might be a solution to set up some form of zoning system. You could zone 2 out of the 4 towns in the map to have loot respawn enabled. Sounds like a giant pain in the ass to achieve. I don't even know how possible that would be.

[willow estuary]

It looks like you're asking two different questions here, but in regards to your second question, I can think of a couple approaches that might work as janky workarounds, but really the loot respawn in handled java side, and is therefore not really moddable, aside from weird kludges. It's definitely something I wouldn't touch in that it seems like a lot of potential work for something that might not even work properly or at all.

But I think really your problem here is that a server cannot be all things to all people, and that you need to make a decision in regards to which sort of playerbase you want your server to cater to.

Anyways, I believe that the loot spawn is handled server side, and not client side, so having different clients wouldn't solve your issue if that is the case.

Oh, some sort of loot crate mechanic?
Yeah that should be doable.

[sour island]

Wouldn't a server plugin account for an authorized user?

[willow estuary]

Ah, what you're proposing is certainly doable, but it's not really a first mod/beginner mod project IMO?
As with all ambitious ideas, you're probably going to have to start with a super simple mod as a learning exercise, and work your way up to that goal.

[jovial summit]

Hey, does anyone know of a mod that makes injuries more serious/common? I know there’s higher injury severity btw

[quasi ginkgo]

I don't know about something like this

There's a mod that lets you injure yourself though

[opaque fiber]

fr?

[jovial summit]

Could you name the mod?

[quasi ginkgo]

yeah

ill get the link

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=652448072

[autumn sierra]

“You have the right to injur yourself” makes sense

That’s probably a line in the constitution

[opaque fiber]

does it work with

41?

actually nevermind

ill

see for myself

[autumn sierra]

Honestly I think authentic suicides is all you need if you’re looking for a mod like that

[quasi ginkgo]

not really

this one gives you multiple different ways to kill yourself

[autumn sierra]

If you’re trying to hurt yourself for medical level just sprint through trees

[quasi ginkgo]

suicide is now badass

[autumn sierra]

How do

*so

Like via knife you mean?

[quasi ginkgo]

you can cause burns using lighters

[autumn sierra]

Like in dayz?

[quasi ginkgo]

hurt yoruself using knifes

[autumn sierra]

Oh

[quasi ginkgo]

you can even suicide with a rope by hanging yourself

[autumn sierra]

Oh my god lmao

[quasi ginkgo]

you can even choose which area to use tools on exactly

shoot your legs, cut your arms

anyways, I came here for another reason

so this mod isn't spawning any items for me

I killed a few zombies but no luck

[lethal sparrow]

How many is "a few"? Enough to reasonably deduce that you should have gotten a 1% chance by now?

[jovial summit]

I wasn't even looking for a mod to injure yourself, just one that makes them more common and more often

[lethal sparrow]

I can't see at a glance why your distribution wouldn't be working, Hybe

[quasi ginkgo]

i'll try settings chances to 10% and kill 50 zombies

if it doesn't work ill come here

[lethal sparrow]

After that, check for something even more elementary. My loot once failed to spawn because my file was "AASDistributions" and not "AASDistributions.lua". You didn't do this, but consider the issues you aren't looking for

Another thing to consider might be to make sure you're killing zombies in an area that uses the "SuburbsDistributions" table. Are you killing them in a modded area or an area affected by mods, like West Point Expansion or Salt Ridge?

I wouldn't know. Remember it's me you're taking advice from, it's like cheating on a test by looking at the desk next to yours.

[quasi ginkgo]

I have all of the mod's files if you want to check em out

I'm 90% sure it doesn't touch anything from vanilla so its pretty weird how it doesn't spawn

[lethal sparrow]

Yeah just .zip up all the mod files I can look around

[lethal sparrow]

No glaring issues 🤔 Moving to first playtest

Mostly to check the logs after the world is created

Although I'd probably remove alchohol from pop vending machine in AlchoholDistribution.lua

Don't want timmy getting a buzz for his quater

[long grove]

im pretty sure it dont work with b41

[lethal sparrow]

I was able to find one of your beers on the second zombie, Hybe. Working as intended

Are you sure you're putting the mod in the correct directory and enabling it when playtesting?

[quasi ginkgo]

Yes

I enabled it and started two new playthrough

None of them spawned

I killed 500 freaking zombies, man

[lethal sparrow]

Do you have any other mods enabled?

[quasi ginkgo]

Yes

[lethal sparrow]

I played with my full mod list enabled but you might have one installed that I don't.

[quasi ginkgo]

I doubt my mod will be incompatible with other mods

Still, I'll give it a shot

[lethal sparrow]

It's likely the other way around, a mod you have installed might be disrupting vanilla distributions. Like ours were, once.

[shrewd grove]

are you putting it into your zomboid workshop folder like it is there?

[quasi ginkgo]

No I'm putting it in user/zomboid

[lethal sparrow]

Not for playtesting, you don't. You put it in mods

Yeah Hybe is right

[shrewd grove]

its easier to check if its working through your workshop folder first.

[quasi ginkgo]

Alfrety placed it in user/zomboid/mods and it worked just fine

It didn't work for me at all for some reasons

I mean I can use the cheat menu mod to spawn them

But they don't spawn on zombies

[lethal sparrow]

Have you tried disabling every other mod and playtesting that way?

That'd be the first step

[quasi ginkgo]

Not yet, I'll try in a few hours. Pretty busy

[sonic flame]

There are a few mods floating around that break distribution so it's possible you have one of those

[quasi ginkgo]

Example?

I have like 70 mods

At least

[sonic flame]

The newish water canteen, one of the crossbow mods

[quasi ginkgo]

I don't have the crossbow mod, or the water canteen

[sonic flame]

I think one of the spear mods was causing problems but I cant remember if that was distribution or something else

[quasi ginkgo]

Don't have spear mods either

I usually check the comments of most mods before I download them just in case

[sonic flame]

If you open your workshop folder and search for files with distribution in the name you can flip through those. The ones that broke were trying to use that json style list rather than using table.insert to add items

[quasi ginkgo]

Those are mostly item mods

I checked a lot of them, none had this

Unless we include the soda mod that already fixed this

[lethal sparrow]

But still you cannot know truly what mod is causing the issue until you test yours in isolation.

[sonic flame]

Do you get red errors on startup?

[quasi ginkgo]

Yes but I usually ignore them

Even when I enable little to no mods it still pops up

Might check it though

[sonic flame]

Yeah you should look at your console.txt. if you have a bunch of distro files throwing errors it's possible that's what's happening

Theres a mod that lets you make modlists ingame that made narrowing it down really easy, I can link it in a minute

[quasi ginkgo]

Oh yes please

I was looking for it for a long time

Found it once, didn't think I'll use it considering I enable most of my mods

[drifting ore]

i've made a simple plugin-based library that allows modifying java code on runtime with easy loading. currently still WIP, was wondering if this might be useful to anyone

[sonic flame]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2404803647

you have to enable the mod first and reload but then it works perfectly

@quasi ginkgo

it's great if you're irresponsible like me and you pile on like 10 mods at a time onto an already working modlist

I just save my "good" sets before I drop more in

[drifting ore]

for now, plugins can listen to lua events and cancel or change how their arguments are sent to specific lua scripts, output of the above

[quasi ginkgo]

This should be useful, especially since I debug a lot of my mods

[drifting ore]

not sure if this is the right channel

[lethal sparrow]

I'm sure the process of testing mods is related enough to modding

[drifting ore]

no i meant if i posted to the right channel or not

[lethal sparrow]

Be reassured that I believe you are

[quasi ginkgo]

Technically it's right

[drifting ore]

what do you guys think, is there a use-case for this? it's pretty much a one-click to run application that you can start after the game starts which allows you to load any jar mods even from steam workshop

[quasi ginkgo]

It can be pretty useful for debugging

[drifting ore]

no game restarts, and you can add it to steam launch parameters so it always runs

[tame mulch]

Very cool!

[jovial summit]

From earlier, huzzah! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2344235765&searchtext=injury

[lethal sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2427699853

Alfrety's Additional Sodas recieved its first major update adding Coca-Cola, revising the 12 pack sprites to better reflect their 1993 size and shape, and toning the spawn rates to a finer level.

[quasi ginkgo]

Just pray you don't get sued

Still waiting for energy drinks to be added

[lethal sparrow]

Yeah, now I'm infringing the intellectual property of two major subsidiaries. I live life on the edge.

Are Energy drinks soda, though? I can't help but feel that falls beyond my jurisdiction.

[quasi ginkgo]

How long have you been drawing pixel art by the way? They look pretty good

[lethal sparrow]

Thanks! Can't take full credit though, they're merely edited versions of the in-game POP sprite.

I actually have a youtube video created seven days after I learned pixel art, to the day. Let me see if I can fin it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUt9qL9jSxk

There we go. I learned pixel art on October 15th, a little over five months ago

Most of the examples in the video were made by me, and you can tell I'm a brand new beginner.

[quasi ginkgo]

I started drawing a little over a week ago

Using aseprite, pretty damn good pixel art program

[sonic flame]

Yeah I was waiting for aseprite to go on sale but it was worth full price. So much better than fucking around in gimp

[craggy furnace]

🤔

[quasi ginkgo]

Shark no

Seriously you can't just make 500 mods at the same time

Let alone make one that works without breaking something in-game

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-try-not-to-laugh-hold-it-in-dont-laugh-gif-5633067

No seriously, calm down with all of the mod idea spam, you're gonna get depression from this

Speaking of mods, do you have any mods on the steam workshop @craggy furnace ?

[lethal sparrow]

I thought he was working on a helicopter event rework, right? Isn't that what this is for?

[craggy furnace]

yes hybe

@lethal sparrow mhmm

i am looking at a strictly attack helicopter to make

i think the kiowa is the kind of helicopter i could make thats not insane and could also be transitioned easily into a civilian helicopter

"why are there so many burnt out wrecks on the highway?"

"well, let me tell you a story"

[quasi ginkgo]

So shark hacked project zomboid and increased car wrecks spawn rate to "very high"

[craggy furnace]

currently the mod is just in very rigid testing