mod_development

[willow tulip]

I mean you can do that with the other folder too, you just need to stop naming your save data 'modoptions' like everyone else.

[sour island]

I dont think it would trigger checksum though if you are creating new files-- the problem is steam wont delete them either

[willow tulip]

not that I did that once, totally nope, totally didn't cause weird conflicts with another mod, nope....

[sour island]

that's one reason superb survivor was so bad

[willow tulip]

I feel like the checksum would be broken if it allows the client to have/execute .lua files that arnt part of the server -_-;

[sour island]

if you mean the cache/Lua folder- yeah... if you aren't naming your file uniquely you're going to have a bad time

I've made a serverside mod that way lol

had the lua loadstring from a local file only the host had

[willow tulip]

I had a modoptions.lua in my mod and didn't realize that mods could cross-override each others files without so much as a dependency/requirement between the mods

[sour island]

oh yeah that too

[willow tulip]

that was.. an interesting learning experience lol.

'what do you mean my mod has a conflict with totally unrelated mod? hows that even work?'

[dull moss]

hahaha

made me lol irl, thanks

[buoyant violet]

It's normally a low poly model. With more details in the texture

[buoyant violet]

man im falling in love with substance painter. just my second day messing around with it, but just by adding shadows the model already gets much better

to think that originally I had it like the first picture in zomboid

jajaja

[hexed arrow]

Sorry for the question but where is an items name defined? \scripts\generated\items and media\clothing\clothingItems don't define the item name itself?

[bright fog]

Of course not, the game needs to translate those names

They use translations

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/DisplayName#Using_translation

[hexed arrow]

thanks a lot

[foggy epoch]

I want to start getting into map modding, where do i start what program should i use?

Creating my own tiles, textures etc

[bright fog]

#mapping pinned messages

[worn cloak]

Is there an event for the vehicle radial menu? I want to disable it for a specific vehicle

[bright fog]

I don't think so

[main pasture]

Not sure about an event, but this is how I did it in a loop: local radialMenu = getPlayerRadialMenu(player:getPlayerNum()) if radialMenu and radialMenu:isReallyVisible() then radialMenu:setVisible(false) end

Might be more optimized to wrap around ISVehicleMenu.showRadialMenu or ISVehicleMenu.showRadialMenuOutside and use ISVehicleMenu.getVehicleToInteractWith or similar to get the vehicle and return early with the specific one

[bright fog]

Agreed

[worn cloak]

This is what worked:

    ISVehicleMenu.showRadialMenuOutside = function(playerObj)
        local vehicle = ISVehicleMenu.getVehicleToInteractWith(playerObj)
        if vehicle and vehicle:getModData().isExtractionHeli then
            return
        end
        origShowRadialMenuOutside(playerObj)
    end```
Thanks!

[olive lance]

yeah that looks way better but i feel like u added too many scratches to the paint personally

[buoyant violet]

in game is barely visible haha

[olive lance]

fair enough + it's the zombie apocalypse

[buoyant violet]

yeah thats why I exagerated the details haha cuz in game once you lower the resolution you barely see them

[frank lintel]

Where are the settings kept for like windows sizes and stuff. or are they hard coded or in some files somewhere?

[cloud marten]

Good day everyone,

I’ve been working on improving the game’s visual quality by upscaling assets to 2× resolution. After being told it wasn’t possible, I decided to investigate further.

I analyzed the engine, developed a Java agent that enables support for higher-resolution textures at runtime, and reverse-engineered the .pack format. Based on that, I also created a Python packer that allows repacking textures in higher resolution.

Game load with custom .pack file, but there still no scaling so textures are to big but not cut to tile size!

Still work in progress, just wanted to hear what you think about it
texture size for comparison

plan is to upscale all assets x2

[paper ibex]

sounds like #mapping

[paper ibex]

One of those documents was even linked in the modding wiki, which I hadn't noticed had AI-generated documentation at first. The person even contributed to the JSON schemas for translations, and yet provided this kind of documentation, which rips directly from the modding wiki, adding some wrong information on top of it.

Be careful what documentation you might find when they are shared around, and please just stop doing that. It's useless, serves no one, and lacks proper knowledge.

LOL . You are kind of write your own standards and serve to the closed community . I now regret spending so much of my three months on this channel and server

[bright fog]

We have discussed this in the past, "own standards", you're spreading straight up wrong documentation that you didn't even write. You took the wiki page, fed it through a LLM and the output you got was basically the wiki page + extra stuff that were wrong

[paper ibex]

good luck

• extra stuff that were wrong

I don't ever force you to validate those files, you are kind of content eater whos want read any single public related to blame just in this discord server

Good. Gonna remove that repo for kind of don't feed and repost, because this is not useless with me anyway.

And talking about A.I in this server is kind of useless because no one gonna get anything out of it.

Lack of communication

[bright fog]

"But AI is good man, you don't get it, you won't even learn or listen anything regarding it"

A classic, because I never expressed AI is bad, just that I have yet to see any proper demonstration of it when it comes to writing documentation that won't output bullshit. Like I mentioned in that section about AI docs, we didn't just have one case of AI documentation in the past month, but 2 or 3. Sure it can give something good, but all of the people who made AI docs have given us a documentation that is basically what's already on the wiki, but worse and with extra bits of misinformation

So no I'm not going to trust any documentation that is written with AI because every time I've seen such documentations it was bad, and the person who made it is just as bad of a person

[sour island]

Calling Sim of all people a content eater is rich coming from someone who ripped public information to plagarize it.

[bronze yoke]

most of which sim wrote 😅

[sour island]

Honestly this dude has been nothing but combative when he's clearly in the wrong

[bright fog]

I specifically didn't name drop you or anyone who's at fault with the AI documentation in the summary because that is not necessary. But since you kindly asked to be shat on, here you go then, be a clown in front of everyone since that's so much what you desire for

#mod_development message

[sour island]

Of all the reasons to be against AI the sycophantic fans that abuse it are #1

[paper ibex]

😂

This is the pin point ?

[bright fog]

Like ffs I myself use AI for some stuff but I have the decency of noticing when it outputs crap most of the time. No respect, no decency, selling services to basically steal mods

[paper ibex]

selling services to basically steal mods

This is just your thought

With the kind of bla bla bla

[bright fog]

That's not my thought

[sour island]

No reason to continue talking to this guy- honest to goodness goalpost shifter, the more you bring up the more the convo will get derailed.

[bright fog]

That's TIS thought too 💀

[sour island]

Just stick to 'you plagiarized work poorly'

[paper ibex]

😂

[sour island]

It's not easy learning a skill, one day you'll work up the maturity. 👍

Imagine bringing up a cursory mention of something you did indignantly and getting roasted tho.

[bright fog]

Oh yea I found that back of you ripping off the Procedural distribution page lmao

[paper ibex]

See 😂
You are the one whos don't want to listen the explaining, so why do I need to explains

Just to be simple, we can ignore each others in this discord server

[sour island]

Just type into chatgpt how to get out of this conversation

[sour island]

You brought it up though- what was your expectation?

[paper ibex]

Am i talking to you?

[sour island]

Yes

[paper ibex]

Do we know each others?

[sour island]

regretfully

🤏

[bright fog]

Sure, why did you bring up this conversation then ? It's only the reality of who you are that we are discussing here, you started it

[sour island]

Ego most likely

[paper ibex]

The first, I mention the source, let others know that can be wrong
The seconds, I said I can remove the content in case any org author are pissed off.
The 3rd, Ive removed that repo already, because after time, this repo is useless with me.

Good luck.

I'll never read pzwiki/Modding again. Thanks for everything lol

[bright fog]

We all know you will if you continue modding. But you do yours man

I mean, you can continue to feed the wiki through a LLM, get shitty docs and mod upon that, you'll get success I'm sure of it

[sour island]

plagiarizing*

He didn't just keep docs for his own reference, he shared them here - got called out fairly quickly, and began deflecting and acting offended. Now he's trying to play up the victim when he brought up the mention of someone using AI to generate and submit documentation.

Instead of taking it on the chin and growing up he rather whine.

Not even mentioning that he's selling commissions using AI, not to mention round-about'ing updating on other's works regardless of license for money.

'it doesn't count because I wont publish it' means he knows what he's doing lol

[paper ibex]

For others whos worried about stealing mods

Once you make the mod public, anyone can get the code and mess with it in secret.
Who knows if the guy you talked to is stealing your code without you knowing? 🤨
Even if he hasn't written anything suspicious on his Ko-fi page. 😂

I wasn't
Not me
.. lmao

P/S my ko-fi page can be something not cool to you, but i'll not explain to strangers. Hopefully, TIS can provide me some guidance

[sour island]

Obtuse, deflect, appeal to authority. nice

[bright fog]

You're turning things around again, no one said anything about reading others code, learning from it etc
The problem is proposing people to steal other creators their content to change it without their authorization. Money or not, that's not allowed and that's about it, there's no arguing around it

[sour island]

Its not a crime if no one knows and its something boring and innocuous.

But also let me advertise and share that I did it with out the justified ridicule 😤

[hexed arrow]

How can I save a costum variable that is persistent across one save file? Or point me in the direction of saving/loading stuff

[sour island]

You can use the (global) modData object, or use filewriter to create txt/json

[hexed arrow]

thanks! will look into it

[sour island]

Depends what the variable is needed for-- if it can be tied to an item/player you can save it to their respective modData

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_data

[hexed arrow]

you guys are saints

[bright fog]

[hexed arrow]

is global mod data tied to one savefile or globablly accessable?

[bronze yoke]

it's per save

[dull moss]

[hexed arrow]

    local playerData = getPlayer()
    modData = playerData:getModData()
    if modData.myString == nil then
    modData.myString = "Hello World old Data"
    end```
Is this an okayish approach?

it works so theres that

[dry stone]

Weekend modding spree... My usable-computers mod now has the full range of parts from 8088 through 586. Working sound cards, SCSI hard drives, MCA expansions, VLB expansions, an early CD ROM drive, mouse support (finally) ... tons of stuff. 176 new items so far.

So much polish and bugfixing this weekend. The big new thing, I'm finally at a point to add in games and software to find/install. I've got a bunch of installer disks in game now. Just need to round out the library

[vivid imp]

What the hell, this is awesome

Doom in PZ when

[hexed arrow]

this is insane

[vivid imp]

Can it load any era appropriate rom, theoretically?

[hexed arrow]

can you make the zomboid alpha be part of the loot?

[vivid imp]

That would be legendary (but even the tech demo is way more advanced than an old rom)

[sour island]

I was wondering about importing a gba emulator into pz 😅 -- this is awesome

[dry stone]

I got DOOM working a long time ago. Literally the second game I got working lol... the first was a much simpler old side scroller

There's an old video of me playing it somewhere in this channel... If you find it, I've since totally fixed the framerate. Then nerfed the framerate like crazy depending on how crap the PZ computer you made is.

[vivid imp]

This is incredible

I'm not sure the legality, but if you were to put era appropriate roms around this mod would be massive

[dry stone]

Oh, it's not ROMs... This mod simulates old DOS computers from the early 90s

You can run ancient spreadsheet software on em too

[vivid imp]

Oh my god ive never wanted to run excel inside of PZ more than I do right now

[dry stone]

Back then, people distributed games on dial-up bulletin boards "BBS". You'd download a "shareware" game over a super slow modem

[vivid imp]

Its well before my time but I've heard of BBS

[dry stone]

And.. this mod is born from me being super nostalgic

[vivid imp]

I'll keep watch, this stuff is super cool

[dry stone]

shareware is a dead concept these days. Someone makes a game, releases episode one as totally free - send checks to my address for episodes 2 and 3!

[vivid imp]

I think that shareware has been replaced by open source projects

[dry stone]

Even DOOM was shareware. Episode 1 is totally free to this day. I an distribute it with the mod legally

[vivid imp]

If I may be so bold, I don't think thats necesarially a downgrade

[dry stone]

Kind of ... they are very different, but they're both things meant to be free and shared, so the philosophy does align in a lot of ways

[vivid imp]

I was not really around during the shareware days so you are more of an authority on that than me haha

[dry stone]

There have always been games, though. The PC was never as big as like, the original NES... But it had plenty of good games.

[vivid imp]

I want to run Bryce3D or Windows Movie Maker inside of zomboid now

[dry stone]

Well, keep in mind, it's just DOS emulation. Windows 95 onwards is much later, modern programs won't work at all

[vivid imp]

True, true

[dry stone]

If you're not familiar with DOS, it's "Disk operating system" by Microsoft starting in like the early 80s... Back when Bill Gates pulled a fast one on IBM and started one of hte world's biggest monopolies

tons of good history there.. and the mod will touch on whatever it can

every part has a description

[hexed arrow]

is it possible to make http calls via lua scripting? like returning json weather data?

[dry stone]

I didn't look that hard, but I didn't find anything myself

I had to sync computers with the server, though, not reach outside URLs.. so I ended up doing it through normal server commands.

[bronze yoke]

no

[willow tulip]

Nope, best you can do is open the system webbrowser to a steam.com url

[quasi jewel]

No clue how i'll make textures for this, I am not a texture guy

But i've always wanted one of these sports motorcycles in PZ to fit my character

[dry stone]

Well.. Got this working. One Must Fall 2097

Made by the same company that does Unreal Engine today

[willow tulip]

Nice

[sour island]

Wow I used to play this 😮

[willow tulip]

Wow, there was only 1 change in the files realistic car physics edits in B42.16

oddly enough, it was to carController.java too, not itemContainer

[dry stone]

OMF was great, it was my favorite game for awhile back then

[mellow frigate]

Civilization was made in 1991. Wink wink.

[sonic needle]

ooh that looks fun to texture. want help?

so i converted Warframe 1999 stuff to PZ

[quasi jewel]

sure why not!

[sonic needle]

Dm me ! 😄

[languid saddle]

Hello, extremely new modder here, just wondering if there was a way for a mod to point at entire groups of clothing such as "dresses" or "pants" without needing to add a tag to every piece of clothing.

[vast pier]

--Get the item's BodyLocation
local ClothingType = item:getBodyLocation()
if ClothingType then print(ClothingType) end

--Says Meow if it's the right clothing type
if item:isBodyLocation(InsertClothingType) then
print("meow")
end

    {
        DisplayCategory = Clothing,
        ItemType = base:clothing,
        Icon = DressShortWhite,
        BloodLocation = ShortsShort;Shirt,
        BodyLocation = base:dress,
        ClothingItem = Dress_Knees,
        FabricType = Cotton,
        Insulation = 0.15,
        WindResistance = 0.1,
        WorldStaticModel = Dress_Short_Ground,
        Tags = base:canbedyed;base:ripclothingcotton;base:noragdoll,
    }```
Script's body location should give what you're wanting.
Idk what exactly it would output when doing getBodyLocation() so the code uses a placeholder

do know there's more than one body location for dresses

depending on the dress type

This may pick up items that aren't dresses, but this is probably your best bet without manually tagging items afaik

If you're wanting it for recipe purposes, you would need to add an onTest to the recipe function to check the input item since you wouldn't be able to filter without manual tagging

something like

function OnlyDresses(item)
--Function cancels if the checked item isn't a piece of clothing. Used to skip stuff like scissors or any other ingredients.
--This always returns true if not a clothing item.
if not item:getItemType() == "clothing" then return true end

--Returns bool
return item:isBodyLocation(DesiredBodyLocation)
end

I'm typing all this code off of memory in discord, so take it with a grain of salt

[prime haven]

should i countinue on this?

[buoyant violet]

Yes

[vivid imp]

Absolutely

[hexed arrow]

can modData save float values?

[bright fog]

Why wouldn't it be able to ?

[dapper wigeon]

I wanna start modding zomboid,
the first mod I wanna create is a whole martial arts system.

where should I start-

[brisk falcon]

Now hear me out a zombie mod that progresses zombies to be stronger overtime is a common and popular idea but nobody figured to just use the vanilla settings as the basis

Zombies start at their weakest slow shambler

a determined amount of time passes between 1day or 1month limit 12months

The zombie upgrades into a fast shambler

You could use this to have zombies evolve over time increasing in intelligence speed strength and defense making the game actually harder later game to make the overwhelming amount of ammo you have.

Could also add a toggle to have them start forming larger groups and traveling further and attacking doors windows etc without any player presence

[bright fog]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3686776454

[brisk falcon]

necroa is NOT the same thing i just said

Necroa is a mod that is inspired by plague inc.

This would be a vanilla friendly evolving zombies mod

[bright fog]

Yes and it makes zombie stats evolve

[brisk falcon]

Yeah it also replaces most of their visual features with new ones

[bright fog]

it also makes zombies go in groups

[bright fog]

Sure, but that's a good basis of a mod that does something close to what you want, thus why I sent it

[brisk falcon]

Id rather stick to the vanilla+ style

[bright fog]

Now that it doesn't do perfectly what you want, that's your problem 😅

[bright fog]

And to my knowledge, no one has made that

[brisk falcon]

Necroa and the last of us zombies mod change lots of things and are incompatible with so many mods

same thing with the upcoming resident evil mod

and cry of fear

[bright fog]

Incompatible with what mod ?

[brisk falcon]

Mostly clothing and model mods with some clipping sometimes

Because they are all using custom models

[bright fog]

They don't. The way I designed TLOU Infected allowed it to not be incompatible with clothing mods

Only clickers and bloaters had custom "models" (it's just a body clothing), and even then, Clickers still could use clothing mods

[brisk falcon]

Maybe its just newer clothing mods are being too different

[bright fog]

Not really no. Only clothing that add body texture clothing can cause problems

Those will no appear on the zombies with body clothing (not visually, they will still drop)

But that's about it

[brisk falcon]

I still think using the vanilla zombie models for a mod like this would be compatible with more things

And also it would have some cool sandbox options

[bright fog]

It will just be visually different, that's about it

[brisk falcon]

Like having a DECREASE in their functionality overtime

start as sprinters and get weaker over time

Walking dead style

Based off the comics specifically

where zombies used weapons and ran and climbed and could open doors and windows

But later on cant

They also had cordination and variants in the comics

like lurkers etc

Random zombies is becoming outdated slowly

[bright fog]

So anyway, why are you here ? Is it to learn how to do that yourself or just for a mod idea ?
Because I can tell you directly that your mod idea will get lost, no one will implement that unless you pay

[brisk falcon]

So i think we need a new vanilla+ zombie management mod

[brisk falcon]

I could probably make the mod myself

Im just here to talk about it

[bright fog]

It's definitely possible to do, and wouldn't even be very hard to do

[brisk falcon]

Random zombies is probably the only mod that changes zombie behavior i think that i enjoyed alot

Because it could be played on vanilla style modpacks

[bright fog]

That's not true ?

[brisk falcon]

That i enjoyed alot

[bright fog]

Random zombies doesn't change zombie behaviors

[brisk falcon]

It lets you change them

[bright fog]

It doesn't, it changes their stats, not their behavior

[brisk falcon]

In a more detailed way then what u can in vanilla

[bright fog]

Necro and TLOU Infected objectively change way more

Even CDDA zombies

Or you could even put Bandits in there since NPCs from that mod are zombies

[brisk falcon]

Its cool how b42 has screechers in a way

In the vanilla

They are sort of just sprinters that scream now

[brisk falcon]

I dont like how buggy bandits mod is

I mean it is fun if you do a youtube series

[bright fog]

It's definitely the best NPC mod out there

[brisk falcon]

But long term it causes alot of issues

It is the best

[bright fog]

I mean maybe the Knox Expanded mod too is better

[brisk falcon]

Just not the most stable since its basically turning zombie ai into a whole new thing

Soon tho it can do some insane things with the new npc api's coming in b43

[bright fog]

There has been zero confirmation that it is still planned

[brisk falcon]

I mean we can hope

Npcs probably wont be around until b45

But the devs still responded to me when i asked what features they WANT to add in b43

Which i actually want to make mods for b42 - b41

For

They want the basics of npc tools in game

and dismemberment

[brisk falcon]

This will probably come first

They seem to really love this idea lately

[bright fog]

There's already basic NPC tools

[brisk falcon]

Id love to make a dismemberment mod

[brisk falcon]

Its not as advanced as they want for this games npcs yet

[bright fog]

Spongie had started work on that

[languid saddle]

Thank you, I think I can start here and get to where I want to

[brisk falcon]

They seem to have some pretty crazy ideas for how detailed they want zomboids human npcs to be

If i was them id just add fallout style raiders

but they want full on factions

and stuff

And to be able to have npcs group up and use basic tactics to kill zombies or the player

Not just shoot at player or zombie

or to seek out zombies or players to kill

More like do their own thing until you stumble upon them or zombies get too close to them

it actually reminds me of the monsters and npcs in zelda

Specifically breathe of the wild

They have their own little lives even off screen

Just to add immersion

[brisk falcon]

Surroundeads npcs work like this

i hope that game redoes their npcs soon

[brisk falcon]

This hasnt been talked about for awhile tho

So they could be changing how detailed they want them to be

But last time i heard anything about how npcs could work it was that way

That mod DAY ONE tried to sort of do that

it was a fun mod

But really crazy

I still think the horse mod should just be polished up and added to the base game

[bright fog]

It won't

[brisk falcon]

Maybe the models touched up some to fit the base vanilla a little more like minecraft did horses

[bright fog]

The model and textures already fit the base game

[brisk falcon]

Theres always something a little off

[bright fog]

Feel free to say what then

[brisk falcon]

The saddles look very strange

The tails are very tiny and not fluffy at all

and just dont look like horse tails

The actual gameplay of the mod is very very high quality

I just dont like the saddles or tails they use

And the textures for them are higher quality then the horses

It just looks very

Conflicting

[brisk falcon]

realistically that isnt how a saddle looks

[bright fog]

You're aware there exists different saddles right ?

[brisk falcon]

Im well aware there are different kinds of saddles

That basic saddle there just looks very weird

the one in these images

looks nicer

But the tail is still so silly looking

And the bag texture is so high quality it doesnt look like any of the bags in the base game

[bright fog]

That's the exact same saddle, just a different color for the saddle

[brisk falcon]

Its probably just the texture i dont like then

it doesnt look like leather

It just looks very

Strange

[bright fog]

Feel free to propose a texture change on our GitHub then

https://github.com/PZ-HorseTeam/HorseMod

[brisk falcon]

I do think the tails need a change tho

They look very tiny

[bright fog]

Same thing, feel free to edit that yourself and do a pull request

[brisk falcon]

Most horses

Have much longer tails

Down to around their ankles

The tail just sort of looks very small

Well i guess their knees technically

horse anatomy is very weird

I actually do like the horse model alot

Just the tail gives off a very not horse tail vibe

Like

One of those dogs with a tiny tail because it was cut off

As a puppy

[bright fog]

Again, for the third time, if it bothers you that much, feel free to edit that in the mod itself and do a pull request

Contributions are welcome

[cunning haven]

Hello, i need help with a function that i stole from "More Traits", im a bit stuck here, dont know codding at all, no much idea of what im doing:

I used "SecondWind" trait as a base.

The idea is to set endurance back to full everytime it goes below 90%

But its not working:

function stamina()
     local player = getPlayer();
    local stats = player:getStats()
    local endurance = stats:get(CharacterStat.ENDURANCE)
    
        if player:hasTrait(CustomTrait.mugen) then
        if endurance < 0.9 then
            local infi = { endurance = 1.0 }
            
            if isClient() then
                sendClientCommand(player, "CustomTrait", "UpdateStats", infi)
            else
                stats:set(CharacterStat.ENDURANCE, 1)
            end
        end
    end
end

 Events.EveryOneMinute.Add(stamina);

I get the classic:

Tried running on singleplayer, get a error:

    Stack trace:```

[willow tulip]

Do you have a registries.lua file that actually creates CustomTrait.mugen?

[cunning haven]

Yes

One sec

CustomTraitRegistries.mugen = CharacterTrait.register("CustomTrait:mugen")```

[willow tulip]

is it placed in 'media'?

[cunning haven]

Checks out?

I did a few traits for b41, still confused on the new way

[cunning haven]

Yes

"Scripts" goes as follow:

{    
    character_trait_definition CustomTrait:mugen
    {
       IsProfessionTrait = false,
       DisabledInMultiplayer = false,
       CharacterTrait = CustomTrait:mugen,
       Cost = 1,
       UIName = UI_trait_mugen,
       UIDescription = UI_trait_mugendesc,
    }
}```

Apparently the problem really starts at checking if the trait exists, but how do i do it then?

[willow tulip]

CustomTraitRegistries.mugen != CustomTrait.mugen

[bright fog]

yea this

Also CustomTraitRegistries = {} is way too generic of a registry name

You better change that if you don't want to cause problems in the future with your mod

I suppose that's the name of your mod tho

[willow tulip]

Yeaaa, thats a good way to bulldoze other mods. Either make it more unique or at least use the less problematic version of CustomTraitRegistries = CustomTraitRegistries or {}

[bright fog]

I suppose that could do it, but that's only if other modders do that too 😅

So that's a bit of a fake solution

[cunning haven]

I thought it had to be "CustomTraitRegistries" for it to work

[bright fog]

No, where did you get that info from ?

[willow tulip]

No, its just some global name you use

[cunning haven]

And i thought that i should refer to the trait as how it is registered "CustomTrait.mugen"

[bright fog]

No, that's the id you gave it

You need to refer to the variable that holds the trait registry

[cunning haven]

What would that be?

Ok one sec

[bright fog]

What Black Moons said

[willow tulip]

Nope, you use the global variable now to enforce 'type correctness' such that you can't typo things without a serious null explosion in your face.

[dull moss]

^

@cunning haven

[cunning haven]

Lets go back a step, im not getting any of that.

If i register it like this then:

The module goes like this:

[bright fog]

Yes, that is you

[willow tulip]

Also you don't need to require the registry, ETWRegistry is a global in the above code

[cunning haven]

But how do i refer to the trait on the function then?

    if player:hasTrait(X.Y) then

[dull moss]

ye true

[bright fog]

The register function in your lua file returns the trait reference

And you store in a variable in a global table

[willow tulip]

By using the exact same name as your regestries.lua names it.. in the global lua variable space

[bright fog]

HoginsTraitRegistries <-- global table

mugen <-- variable in the global table

So HoginsTraitRegistries.mugen

[cunning haven]

Like this then?

if player:hasTrait(HoginsTraitRegistries.mugen) then?

[bright fog]

Yes

[cunning haven]

Bruh

I dont know how you guys do it.

jesus you people are wizards

I was bashing my head against the wall for so long now

[bright fog]

The main problem here is confusing with how Lua works I think

[cunning haven]

If only did i knew how it worked...

But yeah, looking back, what a huge slip up i made

[willow tulip]

TBF, until a version or two ago, it was player:hasTrait("CustomTrait.mugen")

(note the quotes)

now we use actual registered objects, so that you can't accidently typo player:hasTrait("CustomTrait.nugen") and then spend hours wondering why it always returns false after you alerted to the bug.

Becaause as you have seen, if you typo the object name, java goes kaboom.

[cunning haven]

I dont really get it, but it seems like a good step

By the way, on debug, when you get those infinite popping errors

Like this

Why don they show up?

[willow tulip]

check your console.txt in c:\users\username\zomboid

[cunning haven]

    java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "Object.equals(Object)" because "this.id" is null at BodyLocation.isId(BodyLocation.java:69).```

It is from a old mod that i had that broke on 42.13

You know what, im a fuckin moron, nevermind

I was doing some rocket science back then and it broke my mod, only now i noticed:

group:getOrCreateLocation(ItemBodyLocation.get(ResourceLocation.of("leg:penguin")))```

This was crashing the game

[digital osprey]

hey guys i cant get local mod data to work for me in MP, should i switch to global mod data or just cut the losses and rewrite the save/load functions using filewriter?

or perhaps mysterious 3rd option

[willow tulip]

You have to write the mod data on the server, then use the moddata sync functions

[digital osprey]

so i cant bypass the server for a UI mod to save packet limits?

[willow tulip]

nope

[digital osprey]

filewriter it is

[willow tulip]

is this a UI mod that changes nothing gameplay wise?

[digital osprey]

not for other players

[willow tulip]

Use mod options

(And maybe sandbox options that restrict what mod options are valid)

[digital osprey]

i will need to update item lists during gameplay, mod options supports that?

[willow tulip]

item lists as in?

[digital osprey]

tables of base names

[willow tulip]

If your updating it during gameplay, do you need to save it? what kinda data are you storing?

[digital osprey]

its a loot filter, i want to track what people add during gameplay

and dynamically sort

[willow tulip]

ah, then you prob want it saved per-server differently...

Id recommend players mod data or just command packets or something.

[digital osprey]

nah i need it local thanks for the help tho

unwanted list setting sends enough packets as is

[vast pier]

Is there an easy way to make it so you can consolidate different drainables into each other

[bright fog]

Isn't there a merge function ?

I remember something like that

[vast pier]

Why does the normal pot version not have the pour on ground option

    {
        DisplayCategory = Material,
        ItemType = base:drainable,
        Weight = 2.0,
        Icon = Pot_Water,
        Tooltip = Tooltip_FixItems,
        UseDelta = 0.05,
        ReplaceOnDeplete  = Base.Pot,
        UseWhileEquipped = false,
        StaticModel = CookingPotRice_Ground,
        WorldStaticModel = CookingPotRice_Ground,
        Tags = base:hasmetal;base:glue;SaltysSurvivalAdditions:Adhesive;SaltysSurvivalAdditions:LiquidAdhesive,
        SoundMap = DumpContents EmptyPot,
        ConsolidateOption = ContextMenu_Merge,
        PourType = Pot,
    }

item ForgedPotAdhesive
{
    DisplayCategory = Material,
    ItemType = base:drainable,
    Weight = 2.0,
    Icon = Pot_Forged_Rice,
    Tooltip = Tooltip_FixItems,
    UseDelta = 0.05,
    ReplaceOnDeplete = Base.PotForged,
    UseWhileEquipped = false,
    StaticModel = CookingPotForged_RiceGround,
    WorldStaticModel = CookingPotForged_RiceGround,
    Tags = base:hasmetal;base:glue;SaltysSurvivalAdditions:Adhesive;SaltysSurvivalAdditions:LiquidAdhesive,
    SoundMap = DumpContents EmptyPot,
    ConsolidateOption = ContextMenu_Merge,
    PourType = Pot,
}```

wait is it because there's two spaces in ReplaceOnDeplete

if so, that's so dumb

no because the casein saucepan also has that double space and can be poured

It's literally just the Base.Pot ones ?????

everything else pours out correctly

Oh something is wrong with ReplaceOnDeplete = Base.Pot, ??

what ??

I’m so confused

[vast pier]

It properly turns into the Pot when I use debug mode to set the Delta to 0

but doesn't provide the pour option ????

[bright fog]

Isn't the pour option only for food items ?

[lofty frigate]

For your information, the texture for the saddlebags is a modified vanilla texture—the small leather backpack—but altered without the stitching, and it’s 256x256

[cloud hawk]

Do you guys think it makes sense to have fictional characters available on radio for in-game communication? If there is engagement, I'll create a quest system + skill learning through this

[hexed arrow]

I think it would give Players more reasons to Travel to certain Locations for example if you are given a quest or something, how about intercepting Random Radiofrequencies? Like government or Even Aliens 😄

[cloud hawk]

Yeah could be anything. Malicious government agents or aliens hahaha. The framework allow for any character description to be available on radio

In practice, I use AI to have the communication done, so literally anything is possible

There is a basic karma system implemented. With enough karma, you could ask the (currently only) character available, that is an electrical engineer, to teach you how to use generators, for example

[hexed arrow]

How did you implement AI?

[cloud hawk]

Well, it was far harder than I expected. Initially I thought of using a java mod, but then I just created a relayer system that delegates the processing to a 3rd party application

The radio communication is still a bit flaky. I use a naive broadcast system and replace scripts at every pulse. If there are users, I'll fix/improve it

[hexed arrow]

That is insane I thought network calls Like this are Not possible?

Sorry Im very new to zomboid lua modding itself

[cloud hawk]

It's not possible indeed. I had to hack my way through xD

[hexed arrow]

So you fetch the data from an external App?

[cloud hawk]

Yeah, I created a relayer that will do the network stuff

I put the architecture here: https://github.com/codx-dev/doom-frequency-mod?tab=readme-ov-file#how-it-works

[hexed arrow]

Thanks a Lot!

Very inspiring stuff

[cloud hawk]

Also made the API very easy to call from other mods, who wants to build on top of that. Just call this guy here and you're inside the system

https://github.com/codx-dev/doom-frequency-mod/blob/1b219f67169df9119dca2920976cff3110e1efab/DoomFrequency/Contents/mods/DoomFrequency/42/media/lua/server/00_DoomFrequency_Broadcaster.lua#L91

[hexed arrow]

Are we allowed to have .exe files within a workshop upload?

I suppose not

[cloud hawk]

I'm not sure @ terms of service level, but technically speaking you can put anything there. The user will have to execute it manually anw

What I did was publish a python package that will do the magic. Since it's all open source, it's verifiable that I didn't put any malicious code there

So I don't need to bundle the whl package inside the mod (tho the first version had the whl file, and it was published to steam)

[hexed arrow]

True and it looks awesome, I want to try to make something similiar now 😄 Maybe a small program that retrieves and writes json sporadically and zomboid reads it, two way should also be possible like this

[cloud hawk]

Yeah, it works on my machine xD

But the Lua API is very limited. I had to do crazy shit like implement my own sha2 there

https://github.com/codx-dev/doom-frequency-mod/blob/1b219f67169df9119dca2920976cff3110e1efab/DoomFrequency/Contents/mods/DoomFrequency/42/media/lua/shared/DoomFrequencyShared.lua#L122-L144

[hexed arrow]

Asynchronous “multiplayer” is awesome. Like rimworld trade mods with other players 😄

[hexed arrow]

So much to learn from

[cloud hawk]

Yeah something like that. I was thinking smth like a cross-server radio communication, but I think it would kill the roleplay a bit

[hexed arrow]

Yeah but I see lots of possibilities

How long did you work on it?

For it to be playable

[cloud hawk]

Hmm didn't rly count. I struggled a lot to onboard, but after I understood the system, I think like 3 days? Not sure tho

Spent a lot of time onboarding and understanding the thing

Community here was very helpful tho. Whenever I had questions, I posted here and got very fast replies

[hexed arrow]

I’m always impressed about all the niche knowledge here

[cloud hawk]

This whole thing is more of an experiment too. I want to see how the AI thing performs and scales. Was thinking of implementing a MCP server to handle private convos scheduling, but that was too much overkill xD

[hexed arrow]

Small steps

[silent zealot]

Looking at the code that controls this in ISInventoryContextMenu:

        if not instanceof(testItem, "Literature") and ISInventoryPaneContextMenu.canReplaceStoreWater(testItem) then
            tests.pourOnGround = testItem
        end

So 1) you can't pour out a book and 2) this function:

ISInventoryPaneContextMenu.canReplaceStoreWater = function(item)
    if item:hasTag(ItemTag.NO_POUR) then return false end

    if item:getReplaceOnUse() then
        return true
    end
    if instanceof(item, "DrainableComboItem") and item:getReplaceOnDeplete() then
        local itemType = moduleDotType(item:getModule(), item:getReplaceOnDeplete())
        return ISInventoryPaneContextMenu.canReplaceStoreWater2(itemType)
    end
    return false
end

PotForged has CanStoreWater while Pot does not. But Pot is IsCookable while a forged pot is not.

So not sure it's falling back to those.. I think Replace onUse was supposed to become replaceondepelete?

[vast pier]

It works for delta use items with a pour type

well idk if it inherently requires a pour type, but it normally works with items that have replaceondeplete

[vast pier]

It’s mainly confusing me because it’s working for literally every other item, except base.pot

[silent zealot]

try using teh lua console to manually check item:getReplaceOnUse() for a pot and forged pot

try equpiing it in your main hand and print(getPlayer():getPrimaryHandItem():getReplaceOnUse())

and print(getPlayer():getPrimaryHandItem():getReplaceOnDeplete())

maybe a print(ISInventoryPaneContextMenu.canReplaceStoreWater(getPlayer():getPrimaryHandItem())) just to be sure.

[wintry tree]

Does anyone know if there's an event when the player eats something?

Oh, Twincrows food allergy traits might tell me. Gonna look at that mod.

[digital osprey]

good morning, i looking at adding b42 compatibility to my older mods, what would be the correct folder structure so i dont break it for all the ppl still using it on b41?
mods/Modname/42 for the b42 version and
mods/Modname for the b41?

[silent zealot]

I don't know if there is an event, but there will be a timed action for eating.

Note you also need mods/Modname/common

It can be empty, but it has to exist.

[digital osprey]

ah yea its there thanks for reminding

its for files shared between versions right?

[silent zealot]

I think translation files -> json is the only other structure change, but obvioulsy the content of scripts/recipes/etc needs to be redone and any lua has a good chance of needing updates.

[digital osprey]

yeah i already did the update not that many things needed maintenance

[silent zealot]

yeah, this idea is you can put stuff like models/texture into common so there are not three copies when you have /42, /42.13 and /42.16 folder.

[digital osprey]

and they added the function i needed so i no longer need the zombie folder to override the class either

[digital osprey]

ah makes sense

b41 had no way to query an item for metal contents

[willow tulip]

B42 doesn't really have a system either then some tags for small/medium/mediumlarge/large

[digital osprey]

i found some functions

lemme dig them up

[willow tulip]

Yea, that arnt used and the info isen't defined yet in items, AFAIK

[digital osprey]

yep inventoryitem, hasMetal() and getMetalValue()

all i needed was hasMetal really as its a check for putting unsuitable items into the microwave

[willow tulip]

Yea, getMetalValue() isn't actually used AFAIK

[digital osprey]

oh fair, i only really quick tested with a spoon and it got correctly marked using hasMetal

[willow tulip]

right now the game looks at if (item.getMetalValue() > 0.0F || item.hasTag(ItemTag.HAS_METAL)) {

so its using the HAS_METAL tag

[digital osprey]

i see, so in theory it should work in the microwave case for all items that cause the fire right?

[willow tulip]

Hu, they have started adding MetalValue's to items now... 391 results for it.

[digital osprey]

good timing for me to update haha

[willow tulip]

Yep, thats what the microwave uses (hasMetal())

[digital osprey]

thanks for confirming!

[willow tulip]

Some weird tidbits though:

Microwaves are explicitly forced to not hasMetal() so you can safely put a microwave into a microwave.

Also, it recurses into containers to check for metal

so a backpack doesn't have metal, until you put a fork into it

No wait.. only the isoStove version of hasMetal does that, nm

hasMetal on an inventoryItem does not recurse

[digital osprey]

i need to do some weird testing

[willow tulip]

Heres the isostove version:

private boolean hasMetal() {
        this.hasMetal = false;
        if (!this.isMicrowave()) {
            return false;
        } else {
            int size = this.getContainer().getItems().size();

            for (int i = 0; i < size; i++) {
                InventoryItem item = this.getContainer().getItems().get(i);
                if (item.getMetalValue() > 0.0F || item.hasTag(ItemTag.HAS_METAL)) {
                    this.hasMetal = true;
                    return true;
                }
            }

            return false;
        }
    }

reading it a little more apparently it always returns false if its not a microwave (but is isostove)

inventoryItems is just ```java
public boolean hasMetal() {
return this.getMetalValue() > 0.0F || this.hasTag(ItemTag.HAS_METAL);
}

[digital osprey]

i wonder if some deployables count as metal but wont get caught by the inventoryitem function, all deployables are inventory items when in inventory right? i remember seing them in script manager i think

[willow tulip]

Anything in the inventory is an inventoryItem

Or at least derived from it

[digital osprey]

yeah ill need to test with those i cant believe i didnt try putting a microwave in a microwave

[willow tulip]

yea I misread the code, apparently its testing if the item itself is a microwave and refuses to ever return 'hasMetal' if its a stove

[digital osprey]

oh its only 5 capacity vs 10 weight

[willow tulip]

so... I guess you should be able to put a stove into a microwave safely? or something I dunno lol

Looks like its not an isostove while its in inventory though, sad

[digital osprey]

yea it wont fit either way, unfortunate

[vast pier]

retexturing my gun mod

How much detail will be kept is unknown, figuring out stuff still

Will definitely be scaling down the texture

maybe not even tbh, as I'm remembering how many objects the singular texture file is texturing

will test how it looks in game tomorrow and go from there, going to bed now

[willow tulip]

@torn igloo Yea that lack of recipe hiding in B42 really annoys me too -_-;

B41 had an isHidden or something but it got lost in B42

I tried for a day to hide recipes in B42 and only found 15 new ways to horribly break the crafting UI

[dull moss]

since they added registris you couldnt have passed string in hasTrait

it has to be CharacterTrait

you know i wrote this to say that you're incorrect but then I realized that they indeed rolled out this like 2 minor versions ago

felt like so much longer

wasnt it 42.13

[willow tulip]

Yep somewhere around there.

yet another 'lets break all the mods' update.

I really wish they could like, schedule the mod breaking changes to occur on one update instead of.. every update.

(though I guess B42.16 wasn't bad)

[silent zealot]

At least keep the known-breaking updates to 42.X releases, not 42.something.2 which they did once.

[willow tulip]

@silent zealot there are ways to edit recipes via Lua, but yea the tag thing is very valid

Iv previously asked they move the tag cache build to later (after the global mod data event)

[tacit dove]

Hi guys, anyone knows how do you make a second option for wearing clothes? Like being able to wear a pilot's helmet with visor down/up?
I wanted to add an option to wear my modded hazmat with helmet on/off. What should I do? Will it need another item coded, with its own stats (for example, the clothing area so it does not protect the head), how to link them to each other if so?
Many thanks to whoever answers or even points in the right direction to move.

[silent zealot]

I thought only certain things were editable in recipes, not all the properties.

[silent zealot]

Look at the vanilla hoodie for an example

The short version is you make two completely separate clothing items and add a "this can turn into = that" and optionally "text for turning into other form = translate string"

[tacit dove]

Oh. Roger that, thank you

[silent zealot]

    item HoodieDOWN_WhiteTINT
    {

        ClothingExtraSubmenu = DownHoodie,
        ClothingItemExtra = Base.HoodieUP_WhiteTINT,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = UpHoodie,

    }

    item HoodieUP_WhiteTINT
    {
        ClothingExtraSubmenu = UpHoodie,
        ClothingItemExtra = Base.HoodieDOWN_WhiteTINT,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = DownHoodie,
    }

And the other stats change too (model, clothing slot, coverage, neck protection, etc.)

You can do more than two choices in a loop (The Frockin' series of clothes sometimes have 5 options, that loop back to the start) and some of those also have a menu for sleve length though that might be done in lua.

Also, that means one shirt is 15 different items for 5x various levels of unbuttons & 3x sleeves rolled up.

[tacit dove]

Yeah, makes sense

[silent zealot]

Because the author is insane... but I appreciate the results of his insanity.

[tacit dove]

Well... That level of dedication is something to be appreciated

[true holly]

Neat!

[silent zealot]

Hmmm... You could combine clothing swap with @hexed arrow 's approach to animating items to do a marvel superhero armor transformation item.

Which sould not fit the tone of Zomboid at all but would be cool.

And Superheros vs Zombies is a genre! Just... not a very popualr or common one.

[tacit dove]

Maybe some day. Rn I'm just learning to do simple mods adding the items I need. But I am hoping that I can slowly learn more methods to implement things that I come up with

[silent zealot]

Hazmat suit with helmet up/down is a much more sensible idea.

[digital osprey]

how does one get the player object server-side having the nick reference (the one above your head/login), i am using this but getting nil errors in server console, while foodItem:getChef() prints the nick correctly.

local player = GameServer.getPlayerByUserName(foodItem:getChef())

[willow tulip]

print the getChef result, its prob giving you character name or something

also note there is: getPlayerByUserName and getPlayerByRealUserName

[silent zealot]

GetChef returns a string, so I'd assume it's the crafter's name.

But it may be the character name, not the player name

[digital osprey]

it prints the nick above my head, also i checked them both in decompile, real user name should take the nick only and username has the option for both

 public static IsoPlayer getPlayerByRealUserName(String username) {
        for (int n = 0; n < udpEngine.connections.size(); n++) {
            UdpConnection c = udpEngine.connections.get(n);

            for (int playerIndex = 0; playerIndex < 4; playerIndex++) {
                IsoPlayer player = c.players[playerIndex];
                if (player != null && player.username.equals(username)) {
                    return player;
                }
            }
        }

        return null;
    }

    public static IsoPlayer getPlayerByUserName(String username) {
        for (int n = 0; n < udpEngine.connections.size(); n++) {
            UdpConnection c = udpEngine.connections.get(n);

            for (int playerIndex = 0; playerIndex < 4; playerIndex++) {
                IsoPlayer player = c.players[playerIndex];
                if (player != null && (player.getDisplayName().equals(username) || player.getUsername().equals(username))) {
                    return player;
                }
            }
        }

        return null;
    }

[willow tulip]

wtf at playerIndex < 4

[silent zealot]

there's also getPlayerByRealUserName()

[willow tulip]

oh its per connection

still weird.

[silent zealot]

yeah, that one!

[digital osprey]

so it should be that one and i have a mistake somewhere else? 🙂

[willow tulip]

Could be.

[silent zealot]

put some crafted food in your main hand and see what print(getPlayer():getPrimaryHandItem():getChef()) outputs

[digital osprey]

when my function runs, it prints the getChef correctly

but in local console

not sure about the server 1 sec

no prints GoDziO as well

getChef returns a string this takes a string i dont get it

[silent zealot]

try print(getPlayerByRealUserName("GoDziO")) and print(getPlayerByUserName("GoDziO"))

I pet one of those wants the character name

Or something weird

[digital osprey]

no, error

hmm

[silent zealot]

print(tostring(getPlayerByRealUserName("GoDziO")))

To handle nulls

or maybe toString

one of those

[digital osprey]

on both btw

it shouldnt matter if its the only argument in the print

tostring in lua

[silent zealot]

I know it shouldn't, but it also should not be able to cause an error.

[digital osprey]

i tried in any case and error 😄

could it be cause im admin?

[silent zealot]

I doubt it.

Maybe getPlayerByUserName does not work on the server, but that would be super weird

[digital osprey]

no there is no separate method for admins, i guess thats not it so

[willow tulip]

Are you doing it on client or server?

(as its scanning connections, 99% sure it only works on server)

[digital osprey]

both, but in MP on server

this logic is after an isServer() check

but the chef print is before

[willow tulip]

so what error are you getting?

getPlayerByRealUserName isn't used in the LUA btw.

in the java its used like IsoPlayer p = GameServer.getPlayerByRealUserName

try the global getOnlinePlayers() and then scan the ArrayList returned for a player that matches

I don't think getPlayerByRealUserName is exposed to LUA

[tacit dove]

I must say:
I am so happy that I've decided to join this server. I really got the help that I needed to figure out how to make mods and what I'm doing wrong.
Thanks guys for being so supportive and helping towards the beginners in mod-making. I appreciate your help and am sure that many others do too

[digital osprey]

sorry for the delay, the error broke all of my stoves had to reset the world, this is the server console:
LOG : Lua f:1320, t:1775569915929, st:1,970,734,344> Chef=GoDziO
ERROR: General f:1320, t:1775569915930, st:1,970,734,345> KahluaThread.flushErrorMessage > -------------------------------------------------------------
attempted index: getPlayerByUserName of non-table: null

[willow tulip]

Yea, it doesn't exist in Lua

[digital osprey]

getPlayerByUserName? or real username?

[willow tulip]

getPlayerByUserName

[digital osprey]

ah ok thx, was going by the javadocs, so what do people use? should i go digging? 🙂
i somehow missed the getOnlinePlayers() tip, that works perfectly hats off

[willow tulip]

javadocs tell you whats in java, but not 100% of java is exposed in Lua.

[digital osprey]

yeah i learned that lesson with the item variants, still hard for me to predict that stuff

still dont understand why the Flier or Brochure class is exposed but Magazine and Photo isnt

[tacit dove]

I don't get it. Why a simple mod adding two hazmats just prevents the whole game from loading in MP?!

It freezes either on "This is the story of your death" or on the black screen after that

Could anyone maybe look at the code? I feel like there's something obvious I just missed

[hexed arrow]

I got a prototype of my mod working 😄 it revives and heals the player two times as of now

its not that big when its finished just wanted to see how the model looks at all

[vast pier]

side by side comparison

It's not just a retexture, I touched up on the models a bit as well to fix some lighting bugs

still very in progress, haven't looked in game

[hexed arrow]

how are updates made with the climate manager? I can get a reference to it but no settings seem to take effect

[bright fog]

You likely need to retrieve its instance

getClimateManager().instance (I might have made a mistake in the fct name, I can't check rn)

[hexed arrow]

already tried that but maybe I made a mistake, thanks!

[vast pier]

forgot to join the model parts together for testing lol

[true holly]

Are you doing a custom crafting section like "Homemade" or something to go with this?

[vast pier]

There's no custom section, but the mod exists already

I still haven't made a guide for how the gun crafting works though

there's several steps to it, as you have to assemble the gun piece by piece, with there being several different parts to choose from

I'm currently just doing a remesh and retexture of it, as the currently uploaded version reuses textures from Ramshackle, and has some minor issues with the models

Here's some demonstration vids of the gun being fired
https://youtu.be/8JSIGxCMheo?si=rJ7XsdMXuS1eYOSd
https://youtu.be/s0N7dMACdmo?si=kTtEj24fA7iYghK5

[vast pier]

There's over a million unique combinations to choose from during weapon assembly, and it grows exponentially as new parts are added in.

Most parts have stat differences between them, but a few are purely cosmetic (like the tape colors)

Since I'm redoing the textures and meshes, I plan to add in some more texture variations in this upcoming update

One thing I plan for is to have higher level skills produce cleaner finishes on parts

so a minimum level part will have scratches and dings, but a masterwork part will have a smooth finish

[vast pier]

Like how as you level up your carpentry, your buildings become visibly less thrown together

[hexed arrow]

oh by the way is https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/ the goto documentation?

[sturdy adder]

Hi, I'm very new to modding and I'm having an issue while trying to create a clothing mod. When I find the item in-game, it shows up without a description—only the title—and when I drop it on the ground, the screen fills up with these errors.

Sorry for my english, not my first language

[bright fog]

Yes

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/JavaDocs

[hexed arrow]

Yey thanks to lots of your help guys Im almost done making my first mod 😄

[hexed arrow]

Are there any tools to generate a mod setup(folders,xml and item declarations)? Otherwise I thought about programming an app for this 😄

At least for simple clothing items and such

[tranquil kindle]

Might be that something is missing in item script, check for commas, make sure clothing item is right (XML)

Check if file guide entry is the same as XML of clothing item name and guid just to be sure

[silent zealot]

I just made a "Nep Template" mod that I copy whihc has the basic mod structure.

Then I forgot to change the modid before uploading so now one of my mods on Steam is NepTemplate and the template is NepTemplate2

For item scripts, I usually want to copy a vanilla item to start with. Clothing might benefit from a better way to manage item scripts/model script/xml file/that file that references the xml file/outfits.

[frank lintel]

anyone got a second... https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Mod_structure
~/Zomboid/Workshop/ ??? MyExampleMod ??? /Contents/mods/ ?? MyMod1 2 3...
kinda confused what the MyExampleMod should be. because they explain my different mod(s) the naming is done at the MyMod1..2... level

[tacit dove]

Sorry if I'm asking too much but... Could you maybe take a glance at my mod and tell me what I'm doing wrong? For some reason when I add the second hazmat to it, the game just freezes on a black screen when starting to play. To be honest I have no idea why this happens and everything seems fine but it won't work

[tacit dove]

Well, you see.. You create a folder in Workshop, create Contents in it, then mods, and there you put the actual mod folder. From my understanding, "MyExampleMod" is the name that displays in Workshop built-in to PZ

[tacit dove]

(the workshop that you use to upload the mod. Yeah)

[frank lintel]

okay so use it named as they show

[silent zealot]

check console.txt for clue - if it fails to start there is probably a script parsiong error, if it fails when you equip the item in game it's probably an issue with the model.

[tacit dove]

I think anything kinda works. For your own convenience you can just type in the name of the mod

[tacit dove]

Alright... Thanks, I'll try it

[silent zealot]

MyExampleMod can be anything that makes sense to you. So can MyMod123.

[frank lintel]

well thats what it implied but I got lost cuz few levels down is where ya build all your mods and name the folders accordingly so was headscratching for a good min

[silent zealot]

The names people will see are in workshop.txt (name on steam) and mod.info (name in the in-game browser)

[tacit dove]

Oh

[silent zealot]

Highly recommended that you name the folders after the mod to make life easier for you, but you can call them Alice and Bob if you want,

[frank lintel]

no I was gonna use the mod Id actually

[silent zealot]

That works too.

[vast pier]

Why didn’t you panic update the mod with the right Id

[silent zealot]

By the time I noticed there were a few hundred people using it.

[frank lintel]

ah okay so lemme make sure Im grasping this correctly if I make more than one mod.. Im going to be making more than one ~/Zomboid/Workshop/MyEXampleMod folder and easier to just name it as such

[tacit dove]

I made a personal use mod and now around 6 people except those I know are subscribed to it... I'm horrified :D

[silent zealot]

Correct. Every folder under workshop is a single upload to steam. You can put multiple mods in one steam upload; for example "MyNewGun" and "MyNewGunPinkVersion"

By having all the mods under .../Workshop/MyGun/content/mods/...

[frank lintel]

👍

[digital osprey]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3161578967
finally done with that MP support, thanks for the help

[silent zealot]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93781-42162-unstable-hotfix-released/ 42.16.2 is out.

[gloomy hornet]

random thouht

but can the vehicle behaviour of the animal trailers be put onto drivable vehicles instead of trailers?

[bright fog]

You mean putting animals in the vehicle ? Not sure

[gloomy hornet]

like replacing the backseats of the cop sedan with a animal compartment

[bright fog]

I don't think animal spots in vehicles are seats, so maybe but you'd have a seat and an animal place

I suggest checking the vehicle script of the animal trailer

To see how they define it

[gloomy hornet]

thats fair

im more of a texture guy so i just thought id put forward the question to any actual modders

just an idea for if they ever add dogs, we can have K9 vehicles

[idle condor]

I`m making a hair mod with fluffy hair and apparently my mesh doesnt seem to show in the game. I wonder if somebody could help me with this.

When I change the mesh into something else it shows, so it probably is not a script problem.

also already tried scaling and still didnt work.

[sonic needle]

rigged wrong. is likely

[idle condor]

I see... so, is there like a certain way zomboid render its models? Im quite new to modeling.

[silent zealot]

Try adding animalTrailerSize = 500.0, to the vehicle script. And it needs a trunkDoor but most will have that unless you're using a weird template.

And an AnimalEntry location will be needed

[silent zealot]

Dogs should sit on seats and if you roll the window down they stick their heads out.

Which is only a vast amount of extra work compared to shoving them into a "animal trailer" purgatory.

[bright fog]

Not sure what you mean or expect by thag

[sonic needle]

did you just hit "Export" on blender without reading the export options?

if so. its wrecked.

[idle condor]

i followed the wiki`s recommended settings.

[sonic needle]

upload the FBX file.

[shy mantle]

Is there even a right way to add properties to a vehicle template? Or do all of the mods that tweak the very tweakable looking vehicle scripts conflict?

[sonic needle]

Car ID override usually works fine for outright patching

[idle condor]

here

[silent zealot]

I've not done any modded vehicles, but for a proof-of-concept test just back up the vanilla files and edit directly.

[sonic needle]

congrats. on your new skyscraper teto hairstyle. its 100x the size it should be

[silent zealot]

You're going to need to do more work if you want to convert cars between seats/animal storage, as opposed to making a car with dedicted animal storage.

https://tenor.com/view/unitedstrand-manche-5-games-in-a-row-gif-10250976608025732334

[idle condor]

oh really...

[shy mantle]

I would totally commit to it, if editing a vehicle template didn't mean it conflicts with other mods that edit that same template

[silent zealot]

As an alternative idea, animals are sort-of-but-not-really inventory objects and you might be able to make it so they can be picked up and placed onto car seats like anything else, taking up storage space.

[silent zealot]

There may even be a mod for that

[shy mantle]

They would probably starve to death

Idk

[silent zealot]

Sure, but how long are you leaving your dog in your car?

[shy mantle]

It's PZ, people blame the game after running through a horde

[sonic needle]

until recently all isoanimals were in fact, using the isozombie hit damage scaling

[silent zealot]

I'd just say "don't leave your dog sitting in a car or it will starve to death"

Is four hours between updates a new record? https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93791-stable417819-unstable42163-hotfixes-released/

[shy mantle]

Literally the first thing I said in the discussion for it lol

[sonic needle]

see the ragdolls yet ?

go turn em on for funsies.

zomboid space program on ragdoll

[idle condor]

oh, it really was the scale. that was quite dumb of me I only did on 1/1000 and 100x

thanks a lot

[silent zealot]

lol I will look tomorrow, I need to go to bed. Except my legs have been attacked by mosquitos and I'm itching too much to sleep.

One of those nights. 🙁

[sonic needle]

OR i could ask vaguely advanced coding questions to annoy you in dm

[silent zealot]

do it, will distract me from pain.

Also I'm going to shower so heat can help.

[sturdy adder]

Any idea where the error is coming from?

[sonic needle]

bodylocation error OR XML name error > clothingitem

[sturdy adder]

Tyy

[vast pier]

For model scripts, is it possible to put a color mask on the texture, or does that have to be done with entirely new texture files?

[sonic needle]

perhaps you could use a decal, with a texture made wrong to do that in a fun way

[bright fog]

You can do that in the item def usually

There's a hue or color parameter that I remember of

[vast pier]

wouldn't work in my use case

Attachment models/textures are predetermined

and have no real connection to their parent item

[sonic needle]

Too many framez

[vast pier]

why is the cape humping you

[sonic needle]

its animated

[bright fog]

You have to be more specific on what you're doing, bcs attachments are still items so if you want to color attachments you can

[vast pier]

I know they're still items, but when they're attached to a gun they don't display their real model/texture

[sonic needle]

show?

[vast pier]

Gun attachment's models are determined by the item they're attached to, through the ModelWeaponPart param

[bright fog]

Uh ?

[vast pier]

The actual model of the parent item can be anything, all that matters is the model defined in ModelWeaponPart

[sonic needle]

every modelweaponpart gets its texture pre defined, its the easiest way,

[vast pier]

I know, I'm asking if there's a way to color a model definition without editing the texture directly

    {
        mesh = weapons/firearm/PipeRifle_Remesh/Tape_Mag,
        texture = weapons/firearm/remesh/Tape,
    }```
Like, is there a param I can put in here to add a color mask or anything like that?

[sonic needle]

i have seen dynamic texture swapping before

[silent zealot]

You could make them have a connection by updating attachments to match the parent when attached.

[hexed arrow]

Is it possible for one player to be immune to the draggeddown death without changing the Sandbox variables?

[silent zealot]

No idea if the rendering system will respect things like that though, but it should.

[silent zealot]

Someone is finally making the cover-yourself-in-grease mod?

I'd search the code for "ZombiesDragDown" and see where the sandbox setting is referenced.

huh, you're immune to auto-kill via dragdown if you sit on the floor.

BodyDamage.java

[silent zealot]

But that's deep in the java so not something that can be changed per-player with a lua mod.

[vast pier]

How does god mode go about making you immune to drag down

Maybe that could help them

[silent zealot]

Only if they can can turn it on and off for each hit, and avoid having it on when a player update happens or it will fully heal the character

Also that function handles all the damage/stagger from a hit so even if you could isolate it somehow the character would never take damage from zombies

Maybe track who is near zombies and constantly turn sandbox settings for drag down on and off, but I hate that solution.

[hexed arrow]

Thanks a Lot as always

[silent zealot]

Well,it happened.

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93799-patching-a-zero-day-exploit/

On April 7th, we received reports from multiple users regarding a mod that was allegedly generating malicious code when run. We immediately investigated the mod in question, which contained heavily obfuscated code, and confirmed that it was creating malicious files outside of the Project Zomboid directory.

Further investigation revealed that the same user had uploaded a total of 14 mods, all containing the same exploit. These mods had been installed on between 500 and 2200 devices. The user has since been banned, and all affected mods have been removed from the Steam Workshop.

At this time, the full scope and behavior of the malicious files have not been fully determined. However, because these mods were capable of creating files outside the game directory, we strongly recommend that anyone who downloaded them take appropriate security measures to ensure their system is safe. Simply uninstalling the mods is not sufficient.

[silent zealot]

Looks like the update added more "check that the file path does not contain double dots" but I don;t have a 42.16.2 to compare to, I only have 42.16.

[brisk falcon]

Yo chuckleberry

On b41 i get errors from your mod but they dont show up

[frank lintel]

they arent even touching the fact there tons of copyright violations alone with that modlist

roblox, MC, MG Rising, Bebop, all these OST wanna be 🎣 OST's

btw shouldnt all mods not be obfuscated? (not sure if thats in the agreement or not)

[bronze yoke]

it's not

[bright fog]

It's not forbidden, but it's also not a great modding practice overall

Dane did that for his 10 YL mod for example

[frank lintel]

wasnt sure I know some games they say 'okay everything gotta be wide open' no tricks here... etc why I asked

[bright fog]

Let me verify quickly

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/modding-policy/

Maybe that one

Eh not really

Bcs obfscating your code doesn't mean it doesn't do what's on the workshop page

[frank lintel]

yeah its seems like its a grey area.

[bright fog]

Not exactly

It's morally a grey area

In the modding policy there's nothing stopping you that

[frank lintel]

wonder if that falls under 3.2 possibly, as thats intentionally hiding its usage in part or full to PZ.

[bronze yoke]

i don't think it does

[frank lintel]

well regardless thats lawyer level stuff I was just wondering cuz Im trying to get into modding and just didnt wanna waste time protecting something if I make anything and its not allowed

[dry stone]

It escaped lua containment, releasing the zomboid virus into the real world

[red tiger]

Yeah...

Was this using 41? 42?

[bronze yoke]

42

[red tiger]

Well gosh darn. That blows.

I was always worried about this happening.

[red tiger]

my anticheat used obfuscated lua code sent via strings through PZ's multiplayer API to run anonymously and salt itself to prevent API comms tampering / MITM null-routing / ignoring packets for multiplayer anticheat stuff. It doesn' t break this rule but it also calls into question the vagueness of it.

(Or the ability to ship code like this at all)

[bronze yoke]

i don't think it's 'vague' i think it's obviously not intended to address this kind of thing at all

2.6 is concerned with mods having undeclared features

[willow tulip]

On one side, yea, unknown code is a security issue.. but on the flip side.... the LUA API is supposed to be secure

[red tiger]

Legal vagueness yeah it has to be defined as clearly as possible. That's what I was saying. Not the general sense of the paragraph.

[willow tulip]

And nobody is really looking through mods code before joining a server anyway

[red tiger]

Obviously I'm doing a good service and the contents of my mod is well understood.

[willow tulip]

Honestly its just another use case for proper permissions system for mod

Like how android cellphones now work for everything you install

[red tiger]

Been a long-time advocate of API permissions groups / flags

[frank lintel]

one reason I dont ever log onto anyting in my phone

[bronze yoke]

the problem with security through openness is that it requires us to actually read the code before using it, which we don't

[willow tulip]

yep

[bronze yoke]

on a large scale there's an argument that at least somebody will do it, but pz mods aren't on a large scale (and there's plenty of cases of 'nobody checked this obvious exploit in a massively popular dependency' outside of pz)

[willow tulip]

Like: 'MusicModAddon wishes to: Write to your hard drive, allow?' would have been pretty sus

[frank lintel]

given I started modding back in like 1.3.2 MC days I def look at mods I install or require clients to use.

[red tiger]

Not entirely. You can define what groups to ask permission for when the mod is loaded through configs and then gatekeep those calls.

[woven badger]

So you're saying a mod used a function like this to escape the Project Zomboid Lua sandbox? 🤔

WorldMapEditorState.checkInstance():fromLua2("writeAnnotationsLua", path, content)

Wow, interesting!

[willow tulip]

and likely would have exposed that mod to inspection wayyy sooner

[red tiger]

Even then it'll take 10,000 USD+ for dev time and refinement which is too expensive for low return for user experience.

[willow tulip]

fromLua2 lol.

what happened to fromLua1? is it still in use? 😛

[bronze yoke]

yeah all the debug uis have dogshit api, i've never been sure why

[willow tulip]

Or are they now using fromLua3?

[frank lintel]

o.O

[red tiger]

params, not versions.

fromLua2 takes 2 args

[bronze yoke]

i've wondered if they predate the wider lua API or something but i doubt that (the older ones at least, they still add new ones exactly the same way)

[willow tulip]

Ok my bad, I still have trauma from finding control_forward() was dead code and only control_forwardNew() was used

[red tiger]

Whoever did this was explicitly looking for exploits.

That's deep API

[frank lintel]

that or caught their HD going wonky for no reason

[red tiger]

@willow tulip Any additional API in Sickle will be gate-kept through grouped permissions defined in a sickle config file for mods.

[willow tulip]

Nice.

[red tiger]

The same reason why permissive URL policies was planned was to permit access but only by the user explicitly when enabling mods or manually editing their policies.

[willow tulip]

I remember waking up because my HDD access patterns where off.

4 drive raid5 was noisy back in the day 😛

Can't believe I used to sleep near such a racket...

so much energy wasted spinning those things 24/7 for years... little heads zipping back and forth...

[frank lintel]

well when I seen my GC filling up and down and doing nothing in something and then seeing my HD light just going ape. I know typically something 'wrong' not exactly what but it gets your attention. I didnt know about the zero day stuff till I seen that link not that Im dealing with it sorry OST's I get copyright flags by 3rd parties enough as is for music that I made and sole holder of as is.

[willow tulip]

GC? You got infected? My comment was on years past when I used to have a raid, generally was just windows doing something dumb like indexing everything (again)

[frank lintel]

nah it was a memory leak in a hotpatch nothing crazy so it made GC go wild ( not this game either)

[willow tulip]

Ah

Garbage collector then

[frank lintel]

yeah actually run some GC tweaks for this game helps out big time but thats offtopic

gonna DM you a link from Oracle check it out if ya want.

[red tiger]

Wondering if people want me to update my anticheat engine to 42...

@minor perch Did you want that?

I know you worked with ModLoader which it ran in.

I'm going to try and work on getting my CSS parser done this weekend lol. I don't think I'll have a browser emulator UI framework done until like June.

I'm always going to be happy when security fixes go live. :)

[minor perch]

hello! did you mean etherhammerx?

[red tiger]

Yes and ModLoader / asledgehammer_utilities

[frank lintel]

wish I knew how to poke to look at code fixes cuz someone posted a fix for broken rain barrels

[minor perch]

I don’t know. I’m already using a version for 42 modified by me, as you know. If you think something can be improved, let me know.

In terms of compatibility with 42, there’s not much to do—if I remember correctly, there wasn’t much to change to make it work on 42. There was maybe some reflection used in Asledhehammer to put an event at the top of the callback list, but unfortunately that can’t be used—nothing too impactful though.

As for the modloader, I don’t know if anyone besides me even uses it haha. For the anti-cheat, I already have a rough version inspired partly by EtherhammerX and other anti-cheats, plus my own stuff. Still in development and needs improvement, with features yet to be added, etc.

Let’s say I’m still heavily testing everything, but I don’t think I’ll release anything to the public—not for now at least. if you want we can talk in pvt

[vast pier]

Hey so it seems like if I set a weapon's reload type using
item:setWeaponReloadType(BOLT_ACTION)
It causes the gun to crash the game when attempting a reload.

    java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "zombie.scripting.objects.WeaponReloadType.toString()" because the return value of "zombie.inventory.types.HandWeapon.getWeaponReloadType()" is null at IsoPlayer.checkReloading(IsoPlayer.java:3758).```
Am I doing something wrong, or is setWeaponReloadType() currently unusable in 42.16?

[frank lintel]

kinda off topicish but was looking at doing debugging for the client game itself more in detail so where should my IDE workplace/root folder be? at just root folder of the game install or down inside the lua folder?

[vast pier]

If it's broken then I will need to use a different method of controlling my rifle's reload type, but I'm hoping I'm just doing something wrong so that I don't have to change too much functionally.

[craggy furnace]

zhenja has attempted to get in touch with you twice but there it is against my wishes to bring SMUI to 42 in any way

please put that effort toward your own project, we are trying to push guns and leather in 43

[hollow oriole]

No worries bro, I've updated it only for my use

[craggy furnace]

good to hear, i was hoping that was the case

[hollow oriole]

Yep, I also updated some other mods, but all of those are only for my consumption

[craggy furnace]

happy to hear it, ive tried to keep SMUI up for people like you since we've considered getting rid of it entirely 43+ for guns and leather

[buoyant violet]

what is a gun and a leather?

[vast pier]

Textures still not finalized, but here's a current look

The synthetic stock got a remesh, overall rounder and more generic stock looking instead of a weird rectangle

[buoyant violet]

sad that I cannot do the proper reload but for now

[hollow oriole]

Ohh I see, btw I wish the best for your future work! Looking forward to it

[buoyant violet]

last video of the night

[craggy furnace]

thanks, happy modding

[clear dawn]

hello yall, do you guys have any idea on how i can make an outfit unusable by players but still usable by zombies without removing them from the zombie body?

im making a nemesis mod but i don't want the players to acually use the nemesis skin, just the zombie that i'm spawning

[wheat prism]

Pretty cool, has a very apocalyptic and rustic design to it.

[frank lintel]

Any Lua experts awake atm?

got a code block of a fix for rain collectors so wanted someone with Lua experience to take a peek at what was posted and if it looks safe/okay to keep changed as it does solve the problem.
https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/93595-42161-bugged-rain-collectors/#findComment-465217

[bronze yoke]

looks reasonable to me

it's certainly not going to do anything malicious

[frank lintel]

okies sweet I tested this and it works makes the menu work again but just wanted to run it by some Lua people first cuz its not java :)

sadly doesnt fix the crash bug from the composters

[upbeat turtle]

birdy

[silent zealot]

Feather Cloak?

[upbeat turtle]

full body replacement for specific zeds

i'm using the api in truemodelz to make this possible

[karmic elk]

@mellow frigate Hi. There is a massive error on the B42 AquaYacht mod. This function is giving multiple errors per second. The mod (and it's requirements) are set as the last in the mod order and there are no red errors in the mod order (or yellow). I tried to DM you on Steam but for some unknown reason it's saying I'm blocked from DM'ing you?!

[buoyant violet]

what im i looking at

[coral blade]

Project Zomboid Mod Updater/Downloader 👑
Update 1.1.6:

• added this changelog file to the program.
• updated SteamCMD executable.
• updated most assemblies.
• merged all changes from RimWorld Mod Updater to this program (which are relevant).
• cleaned leftover files.
  Instructions:
• download and extract the archive preferably into your PZ installation folder.
• if "mods" folder doesn't exist (weird...) in your PZ installation, do create it.
• if C:\Users\yourusername\Zomboid\Mods folder doesn't exist, please run the game once just to create the settings environment.
• run with PZModUpdater.exe
• minimum screen resolution required 1600x900

If you have any feedback/bug reports/good vibes, do tell and share...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_yCDaG3yRhWBo6Vdz6LH6rz8PJCUjs4S/view?usp=sharing

Hope it's fine to post here

I mean, it's not a mod, it's a program

[cinder light]

Hi Everyone, I'm the creator of Project Thiccener (https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3659585445), and I've hit a bit of a roadblock trying to implement my persistent zombie morph memory, I want to ensure zombies have access to the same data between game reloads and when they are turned into corpses. I added in an item which contains my data, my problem is that to me it looks like we cannot add any items to alive zombies (ModData gets wiped between reloads, and when they turn into corpses), does anyone know a way to get around this? according to my research zombies do not have an inventory, and I can only add the item to their inventory when they die, which defeats the purpose of reload persistence. their ID also changes when they get turned into corpses. so I can't even rely on that to save their old morph state between the "alive" and the "dead" zombie

[fleet bridge]

You need to use persistent outfit id but that is only unique for that specific outfit combination. So if there are several of the same outfit on other zombies they will also have that id

[cinder light]

yeah, I thought about that before as well, but it's not really a great option sadly :/ but thank you anyways for the tip!

I even tried saving the xyz coordinates of the zomboids when they die and trying to use that on the corpse (to save the data between alive zombie and corpse), but that doesn't help with the game restart, either :/

[frank lintel]

you want the #1478418176516558880 channel... this is the development channel

[fleet bridge]

The corpse probably will persist but I'm not certain there is an identifier you can reliably fall back on.

Container id maybe

[cinder light]

well, the zombie IDs sadly change between reloads, for the container ID I'm not sure, but I don't think that would work, due to zombies not having an inventory (or if you mean corpse item persistence, that definitely does work between restarts)

oh well, it was a long shot, if the zombies can't keep their size, I guess I'll have to accept it, unless if I modify the game's java code any more to add our morph changes to the saves directly (although that would lead to other problems). Thanks for the help Lect :)

[bright fog]

That's an external mod manager ?

[bright fog]

I suggest reading the IsoZombie wiki page

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/IsoZombie

[cinder light]

thanks, but this is how I figured out zombies do not have inventories

[bright fog]

It explains about mod data and gives alternatives on that same page

See Object pooling section

[dry stone]

If you send out a lot of server commands, it seems the client takes its sweet sweet time getting through the queue and actually calling your LUA with them. Is there anything that can be done to make it less sluggish?

This is localhost so it could be practically instant.

[bright fog]

Don't send that many commands ? 😅

[dry stone]

I have to.. I'm doing file transfers.

[bright fog]

Or send commands together to process

[dry stone]

the alternative is to get the zomboid server and client talking on some other port purely via java....

You get to send payloads of up to 32KB and i'm already at that limit as well

[bright fog]

Do you need to do file transferts instantly ?

Bcs overall that sounds heavy on the network ?

[dry stone]

Technically the mod isn't dead / broke if it's slow, but it should be a lot faster than this. Like a LOT faster

and yea, it will be heavy. it does tons of caching so generally things only ever get downloaded once

[cinder light]

interesting, sadly it still only suggest the persistentoutfitid, which would lock me into the problem that zombies that have the same clothing would also have the same morphing as well, instead of unique zombie sizes, it would just be the same. but thank you anyways :)

[bright fog]

That's the only way unless you set a custom outfit on the zombies

Bcs that custom outfit is persistent

OR the other method is to make the zombie a revived player

Which the game does save

BUT you should not do that for lots of zombies

[cinder light]

right, but apparently that could lead to other problems down the line, no?

[bright fog]

Bcs you'll bloat save files

[cinder light]

yeah

[bright fog]

Depends how many zombies you need custom morph on

[cinder light]

we're morphing every zombie, and player character that is loaded into the gpu

[bright fog]

Yikes

[cinder light]

it's very performant

[bright fog]

Also it's not zombies with the same outfit share the same pid

[cinder light]

it's done through shaders

[bright fog]

So no Java ?

[cinder light]

there's a lot of java, we have to hook into a lot of calls, I had to rewrite a lot of the render pipeline for this to work properly

[bright fog]

Back then I did a test in LV to see how many zombies shared the same true ID and it was like 10 or so zombies ?

[bright fog]

Why through shaders then ?

What do you do with this morphing ?

[coral blade]

it's not a mod

[coral blade]

yes

[bright fog]

I think you can still post that there it's fine

[coral blade]

as I posted the last update here, OK then

[cinder light]

before I did through the VBO, so when we got the clothing / player model into the VBO, we would do the morphs on the CPU, changing the sizes of the characters, the problem with this was that some modded clothing were set up inproperly, and in the VBO we only had access to the raw vertex data for the meshes, but not the skeleton, not properly anyways, so some clothing did not morph correctly, with shaders this can be avoided as they run much later, when we have the skeleton data again, and we let PZ itself set up the clothings properly (so their location, rotation, and scale is correct compared between the clothings and playermodels)

[bright fog]

Interesting

[cinder light]

here is an image of what our code does, it changes the sizes of different zombies (making them thinner, or fatter, or more muscular), it also works on the player as well, and this is synched between clients in multiplayer, so the same zombie would have the same size (morphs), my problem currently is persistence, between game reloads, and zombie to corpse transformations this ModData is lost, not from the players (as that's calculated out from their strength and weight data, and the dynamic morphs, which are stored as ModData on the character)

[bright fog]

Sadly there are no other solutions to my knowledge

[cinder light]

the nice thing with our mod is that we do not need to create different meshes for each of the clothing (and then a mesh for each value of the morph per clothing), as it's all just vector calculations, so if in the future we want to add in a new morph, it's really easy to do so as we just need the "maximum" that morph can be, and then we can control the morph through our dynamic morphs (here is a quick video i just made of how that UI works), or through custom lua callbacks to our java code, so we could manipulate how zombies work (for example making them thinner the longer the game has been going, to simulate the zombies "starving") [the ui currently doesn't change sizes, this is due to me changing over from the VBO calculations to the shaders, I'm planning on fixing this, this is why we can see the character model in our custom ui window]

[cinder light]

well, thank you anyways, you have given me some good ideas on how to fix this in the future (I could modify the java code of the game to store another variable, so that zombies will have a true persistent ID on them)

[frank lintel]

no no, Moons. was talking about a memory leak making GC going ape in another game. but java is java

[bronze yoke]

i think you're misunderstanding, the persistent outfit id is 'essentially' unique

it's true they're not actually guaranteed to be unique, but zombies with the same outfit usually won't have the same one

each outfit has 500 male and 500 female ids, so it's very rare that there will actually be two of the same id on screen (and if there is, in your case it won't really matter)

[cinder light]

oh, okay, then i definitely misunderstood it! in that case that is going to be really useful then, thank you! :) (I thought there would only be 1 persistentoutfitid per outfit setup, but if there really is multiple per outfit then that is indeed very useful)

[dusky quiver]

afaik persistentOutfitId is constructed from 2 parts - outfit ID + some number that is incremented for every new zombie

[bronze yoke]

it's not incremented, it's just a random offset

[frank lintel]

btw know yas talking about outfit ID's and missing ones is a major problem I see spam in debug window constantly for that.

LOG : General f:97574, t:1775754532356> ItemPickInfo -> cannot get ID for container: inventoryfemale (hope this is relative to what you refering about)

[cinder light]

i see, thank you so much for telling me about this, that is really smart, especially if we use the trueID (thank you SimKDT [and Chuck]!) I remember very early on i looked into this, but for some reason or another I abandoned it, probably due to me incorrectly assuming that it's only 1 trueid / outfit

[cinder light]

I ended up rewriting SimKDT's code in Java, and getting access to the outfitID directly with this: entity.getClass().getMethod("getPersistentOutfitID");, and then just flipping the 16th bit pID & ~(1 << 15);

[frank lintel]

interesting... should pass that on to them maybe they'll implement it so we stop getting invalid lookups?

[paper ibex]

"Further investigation revealed that the same user had uploaded a total of 14 mods, all containing the same exploit," the developer said. "These mods had been installed on between 500 and 2200 devices. The user has since been banned, and all affected mods have been removed from the Steam Workshop."

i remember mods using "heavily obfuscated code" somewhere.

[frank lintel]

automatic flag for me to not use it :P

[paper ibex]

non tech peoples never checking any mod files, even me, i tot lua "sandbox" is safe

[frank lintel]

true most people also never decompiled reverse engineered stuff either

[tacit dove]

So.... Guys... You've already helped me with how to add an extra option for clothes... Now I need your help once again. If there are several options, how do I code it?

[bright fog]

You mean different ways to wear the clothing ?

[tacit dove]

Yeah. Like the vanilla hoodie up and down options

In that case there are only two options. In the mod I'm working on there are supposed to be three (per piece of clothing)

So I was wondering... How

[bright fog]

Can you quickly remind me which parameter you used for the secondary option, I can find that quickly

[tacit dove]

This thing

Oh

No images

[tacit dove]

ClothingExtraSubmenu
ClothingItemExtra
ClothingItemExtraOption

[bright fog]

    item Ring_Right_MiddleFinger_Gold
    {
        DisplayCategory = Accessory,
        ItemType = base:clothing,
        Weight = 0.1,
        Icon = Ring_Gold,
        BodyLocation = base:right_middlefinger,
        ClothingExtraSubmenu = RightMiddleFinger,
        ClothingItem = Ring_Right_MiddleFinger_Gold,
        ClothingItemExtra = Base.Ring_Left_MiddleFinger_Gold;Base.Ring_Left_RingFinger_Gold;Base.Ring_Right_RingFinger_Gold,
        ClothingItemExtraOption = LeftMiddleFinger;LeftRingFinger;RightRingFinger,
        Cosmetic = true,
        WorldStaticModel = Ring_Gold_Ground,
        Tags = base:hasmetal;base:tinygoldscrap,
    }

You can define multiple ones via an array

[tacit dove]

Oh

Thank you

I hope everything goes well...

But for now... Good night (or any other time of day) to ya, nice people. Thanks for your help

[willow tulip]

@lost tartan Yea the useDelta stuff really annoys me too, especially when making a mod that changes items useDelta onto existing saves

"yay more lighter uses.. wait why do all my lighters show min now?"

[willow tulip]

yea, a TCPIO socket would be nice

[dry stone]

its possible, but it's extra setup because server admins might need to go open another port and stuff

really trying to avoid anything that makes this monstrosity i've created any harder to get going

[lost tartan]

yup! was an unpleasant surprise after thinking "oh wow, so straightforward" lol

[willow tulip]

I think they stored it as an int at one point... and now its some cursed floating point thing

[lost tartan]

I think it still is an int, the cursed floating point thing is the wrapper around the int

in zombie/inventory/InventoryItem.java

        return (float)this.uses / this.getMaxUses();
    }

    public void setCurrentUsesFloat(float newUses) {
        newUses = PZMath.clamp(newUses, 0.0F, 1.0F);
        this.uses = Math.round(newUses / this.useDelta);
    }```

original useDelta is forever baked into the item state, since this.uses is the storage variable, but getMaxUses() for a drainablecomboitem is

        return (int)Math.floor(1.0F / this.useDelta);
    }``` so one adjusts with changed useDelta, but the other doesn't ![cococoShrug](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/740426976635912233.webp?size=128 "cococoShrug")

[willow tulip]

Yeaa... so stupidly cursed.

'oh but we can't change that, it would break saves!'

• Company who breaks everyones saves every minor version

[frank lintel]

atleast you know what semantic versioning is :P

[willow tulip]

Its actually far worse.

if (header.hasFlags(1)) {
                    this.setCurrentUses(input.getInt());
                }

its stored as int in the save file