mod_development

[modest apex]

This makes me so happy 🙂
This is the goal that finally got me off my lazy butt and into modding... being able to add abilities to the Spinning Wheel 🤣

Yes, I spawned one in a bathroom 😆 🤷‍♂️

[frank elbow]

Prime wheel spinning location

[bright fog]

Regarding a proper Hello World example, if you mean simply setting up a mod this is what my first video guide is about:
https://youtu.be/MUGQ647o5M4?si=qXtP2JAaJjsHyvyN
If you mean a Lua mod or specifically a script mod, I will make a video about it in the future but I'm the start of video guides rn
If you mean specifically something inside the wiki for that, yea that could be done too, but that'll have to wait for me to find time for it to do it too

You have to consider that there will be more in the future but that there wasn't even a single generalized documentation like that until I came along and shaped up the modding wiki to what it is rn at the start of this year. Before like you REALLY had no choice in term of learning than ask others or check inside existing mods on how they work

More will come but it's normal that the documentation is imperfect rn

Especially as I'm basically the only one writing Wiki pages rn

[modest apex]

I mean, rather than digging up a weapon, a simpler example could be used, just to get something/anything showing up in the mods...

This isn't as simple as "Hello World" (sorry, I'm busy writing mods now! 😆 ), but point being, rather than digging around in files and pulling up long weapon definitions. IDK.

module JimsUpholstery
{
craftRecipe RagsToThread (SpinningWheel)
{
timedAction = Sew,
Time = 3,
Tags = SpinningWheel;
category = Tailoring,
xpAward = Tailoring:5,
inputs
{
item 1 [Base.RippedSheets],
}
outputs
{
item 10 Base.Thread,
}
}
}

[bright fog]

Definitely

For recipes see there's a wiki page that documents what everything does and if I remember correctly I've put some examples there too
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe

[modest apex]

It's not lost on me that you're the only one working on the wiki and videos ... and thank you for doing it. Sorry if I started off on the wrong (grumpy) foot.

[bright fog]

Yea 😅
My problem with your early remarks was that it sounded a lot like "this is bad" without any explanation of what/why it's bad, which really doesn't help anyone here to improve things

[modest apex]

Yeah, that's on me and I'm sorry.

Late night assholery... sorry.

[bright fog]

Np happens to me too sometimes, thankfully I was in a good mood 😅

It's important to bring up what is wrong, and to not hesitate to say what works and what doesn't

You had mentioned that Mod structure is long to read and has a lot of information, but the page really is the most optimized that it has ever been, it went through different reshapes to improve things, to give information in a very concise way without removing any information

Tho of course it's not perfect

And in reality the page is really short compared to a lot of other pages out there imo

[modest apex]

I think a lot of that was probably me thrashing around cuz I was in the wrong Zomboid directory... going WTF??? I've got this the way they said????

[bright fog]

Something I was thinking about is making a sort of difficulty indicator to reading pages, so like "this page is: red (hard), orange (medium), easy (noob level)"

This could ease new modders going in and realizing they can't understand jackshit

[bright fog]

Yeaaa sadly this is a common mistake, but see, this is an indicator to me that this is probably something that needs to be clearer in the relevant pages

Usually this ends up as notes

[modest apex]

The moment I searched for the example mod and it didn't show up, it was a lightbulb ... "Oh... something's changed in the structure of things".

[bright fog]

Yeaaaaa

Video guides will tend to age badly, especially in B42 unstable where there's a lot of different changes that can happen to some systems

[modest apex]

Once I had my "Hello World" mod up, then it was happy times... cuz I wasn't trying to fix something, but rather "try something and see if it breaks".

[bright fog]

Even worse, there's constantly new information being discovered about some stuff, from me or from the modding community

[modest apex]

Yeah, you're dealing with a changing environment... very hard to keep "up to date"

[bright fog]

And I have to make pages about new stuff, pages to document various stuff that aren't documented yet

Like for example, if you look up entity scripts in the script files of the game, you'll see this is a massive rabbithole

[modest apex]

Yeah, cuz this is your full time job... right? Right?

[bright fog]

I'm trying to map it to properly document it but it's actual fucking hell

[bright fog]

Worst thing is that I'm slowly having less and less time to do all of this, the deeper I go in my thesis the less time I have to give to my passions like modding. Like the past month has been rouuuugh lol, I felt September was already really light in terms of modding wiki, but this one is going to have barely anything in it I feel like (tho I say that every month and realize I actually did a lot)

I make summaries every end of the month for the wiki about the modding wiki section, so that next one should be light

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZwiki:News#Project_Modding

[modest apex]

And then you get some random asshole coming in and complaining about it all [looks around avoidantly]

[bronze yoke]

people do still stumble on mod structure a lot (but it's far less bad than before sim's work on the wiki), do you think a 'mod structure checklist' could help? it'd be an easy thing to point to for any issues and the full detailed explanations can be elsewhere

[bright fog]

Wdym by a checklist ?

[willow tulip]

"common folder is undercase"
"Mod.info is in both places for b41 and b42"
etc

[bronze yoke]

something like

Help! My mod won't show up

• Mod is in the cache directory (NOT the game directory)
• mod.info exists and has an id
• mod.info is in the right place (b41: mymod/mod.info, b42: mymod/42/mod.info)
• common folder exists

the full explanation is good, but a lot of people just assume they already know everything and don't read it and then complain to us when they're wrong

[willow tulip]

Pointing out a few of the common windows/linux case sensativity pitfalls would be nice too (Iv still randomly struggled with those)

[bright fog]

I did think about this, like I experimented with a page about "common mod problems", but I realized the page would be so fucking massive that it would be unreadable
But listing it in the pages of the unique subjects could maybe help yea

[bright fog]

I want to do something like that but I literally don't even know why ones are case sensitive

Like I know one or two that's it

Maybe a checklist could work

I need freaking post-it on my desk, I have too many ideas here and there I feel like I'm going to forget half of those lol

[frank elbow]

Obsidian.md and Trello are two tools that have been very helpful for me to not have all the ideas just bouncing around in my head

[bronze yoke]

expect nearly everything to be case sensitive, the major exception is things that are checksummed (lua and scripts), that was fixed because otherwise it was basically impossible to play modded multiplayer on linux

[bright fog]

One thing I'm bad at, which is why a getting started page is really hard for me to properly make, is list every common things to do

[modest apex]

Mod is in the cache directory (NOT the game directory)
[link to what the "cache directory" is]

[bright fog]

I do have Obsidian and while I think it's a great tool, I think it's not good, for me personally, to note things to do later

I had started to do that, as a replacement to me sending my to-do list inside the modding Discord wiki channel back then, to have a better tracking of things to do, but I haven't gone back to it in ages

One thing I do for my thesis however is use post-it, and that works really well for me, where I have post-it of ideas and things to do and I cross them when I'm done

[bright fog]

Tbh it's kind of in the first sentence of mod structure page

[bronze yoke]

honestly it would be good to leave some guidance somewhere to say treat EVERYTHING as case sensitive, because if it isn't, it doesn't matter either way, but if it is, it obviously causes major issues

[frank elbow]

I added Trello bc Obsidian isn't the best for to-dos for me either lol—glad post-its work for you

[bright fog]

Trello is the same problem btw

Proof with the horse project lmao

We haven't updated that shit in ages I think no ? @bronze yoke

[frank elbow]

Interesting, I find that easier to check personally

[bright fog]

Our new task tracking is now Github issues

[modest apex]

Yeah, Trello fan too... but any way that skins the cat... post its get it done just as well for small independent things.

[bright fog]

Post it does it better to me bcs writing it takes more effort on my side I'd say, since I don't write that often compared to typing on a computer that I do almost constantly everyday

[frank elbow]

That makes sense

I used to swear by physical writing and never do any digital notes

But I've given up my unc status for syncing

[bright fog]

I even have a tiny note book for my thesis that I try to carry around to write things in too, tho it's usually more temporary notes I'd say

[bright fog]

Access from anywhere can be concern for sure, in my use case that's fine bcs my thesis I never change desk, and modding is almost entirely done at my home desk

[frank elbow]

What are you studying, if you don't mind my asking & care to share?

[bright fog]

Water waves damping with flexible structures

[bronze yoke]

i don't think trello was the issue with the horse mod's organisation, i think we were just quite poor at using it consistently

[bright fog]

Yea

[frank elbow]

I know just about nothing about that, but sounds interesting

[bronze yoke]

personally i'm more at home with github issues anyway, they make more sense for most code-related tracking which was all i needed to worry about

[bright fog]

Fluid dynamics, fluid structure interactions overall

[frank elbow]

I see, makes sense

[frank elbow]

I like GitHub issues for tracking in larger/ongoing projects but I'm simply too lazy to write a well-formatted issue most of the time 😅

My issues are proofread, my notes-to-self are “implement Thing in This Way no punctuation stream of thought you'll know what you meant by this later”

[bronze yoke]

for me, sometimes an entire issue is just the title and that's okay

[frank elbow]

I could never (even if the title alone is absolutely sufficient)

[nocturne kiln]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3596317718 some new professions and traits pd: need updates like some more traits and translations

[livid haven]

do i want Base.Vest_Hunting_Khaki (item name) or Vest_Hunting_Khaki (clothing name) when giving an item to the player. ive tested

Base.TentGreen,Base.WalkieTalkie3,Base.Bag_HydrationBackpack_Camo, and these work. but not sure what path for the vest.

also Base.TentGreen is wrong as it gives an unpacked tent that takes up a ton of space. not a packed tent.

[bronze yoke]

you want the item name

[livid haven]

would that be Base.Vest_Hunting_Khaki?

[bronze yoke]

yeah

[livid haven]

i def need to mess with it more. i dont like how im using player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.Hatchet")

and such

[livid haven]

can i use setCondition() after giving the item to the player to instantly set it to the value i want?

[modest apex]

😁
I already have a Portable Sewing Machine that can sew sheets from rags, but only when placed on a surface. It acts as a container, but not for liquids and thread for it can be spun at the spinning wheel. And I've got it up on the Workshop so that my crew can use it on our dedicated server in B42.

Still need to work on some sounds and 3d models, but we're away laughing already.

I'm over the moon here.
Thanks again for putting up with my shit and getting me started.
😁

[bronze yoke]

you can

[livid haven]

eg item:setCondition(2)

[livid haven]

nice!

[willow tulip]

Just remember its outta <maxCondition> and not 100 or anything.

[livid haven]

would GiveItem("Base.Hatchet", 0.50) work?

[willow tulip]

I don't see any 'giveItem' global function used in PZ, so no?

[livid haven]

mmm so i have to use player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.Hatchet")

then call
setCondition() after

[willow tulip]

giveitem != additem

https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/inventory/ItemContainer.html#addItem(zombie.inventory.InventoryItem)

See the API.

See what variables the API takes.

[icy night]

I made a mod that adds items to the players inventory upon spawning in the world.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3475135570

If you need to see the code

[willow tulip]

Do note there is like 10 different addItem(s)/AddItem(s) (yes some are capitilized because reasons)

[icy night]

That script puts a bunch of clothing inside of a suitcase and puts the suitcase in the players hand

[bright fog]

Moved this section over to this:
https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Spiffo's_Workshop#Installation_folder

And improved the explanations a bit

[livid haven]

@willow tulip yo around. put your test version of relistic car physics in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\mods

nothing.

put it in
C:\Users\Emily\Zomboid\mods nothing. did i miss something?

seems fine.

[willow tulip]

I meant to just replace the workshop version

workshop id: 3559765660

[livid haven]

thanks. that did it

[willow tulip]

But yea, test the towing, and offroading

and running over zombies... the vehicle mass is now dynamically scaled so ragdolls should work 'good enough'

New super smooth towing based on rolling friction/aerodynamic drag, with slight 'autosteer' of the towed vehicle

Oh, and offroad efficency now affects offroad rolling friction (and traction)

[willow tulip]

so how is it?

[proven chasm]

i give up

[livid haven]

really bad understeer for some reason.

[willow tulip]

thats weird, didn't change steering except for towed vehicles, do you have a trailer?

(shouldn't have affected trailers, but dunno)

is your power steering pump bad/fanbelt?

[willow tulip]

Hm should be fine

do you have a trailer attached?

[livid haven]

steering is fine in reverse. only forwards is weird. if anything the car has slight oversteer in reverse. steering is borked with and without trailer.

[willow tulip]

that looks pretty much how the game normally has bad understeer?

[livid haven]

weird, it feels weaker

[willow tulip]

I dunno how you'd accelerating offroad like that with the latest version though..

I think you copied the wrong zombie folder over or something

[livid haven]

ooooohhhhh i still have vehicle tuner lol

[willow tulip]

wtf at 200

and yea, please don't mix with mods like that for beta testing lol

[livid haven]

its because i use this grid square lol

[willow tulip]

wut?

[livid haven]

when i did my map lol. i used an existing but empty location.

[willow tulip]

Anyway, just alter offroad rolling friction/plant impulse instead -_-;

and offroad traction if desired..

but try default values first

[livid haven]

yeah that feels really good

[willow tulip]

and yea there is zombie impact impulses now too (adjustable in sandbox)

Can't wait for some car modders to put out some heavy duty trucks for it

like the W900 semi truck, but with 4000kg weight and 1000hp+ or something.

[livid haven]

local function giveHatchetOnCreate(playerIndex, playerObj)

    local player = playerObj or getSpecificPlayer(playerIndex) or getPlayer()
    if not player then return end

    local inv = player:getInventory()
    if not inv then return end

    local item = inv:AddItem("Base.HandAxe")
    if not item then return end

    if item.setHeadCondition and item.setHandleCondition then
        local headMax   = item.getHeadConditionMax and item:getHeadConditionMax() or 10
        local handleMax = item.getHandleConditionMax and item:getHandleConditionMax() or 10
        item:setHeadCondition(math.floor(headMax * 0.80))
        item:setHandleCondition(math.floor(handleMax * 0.35))

        if item.getHeadCondition and item.getHandleCondition then
            local usable = math.min(item:getHeadCondition(), item:getHandleCondition())
            if item.setCondition then item:setCondition(usable) end
        end
    else
        if item.getConditionMax and item.setCondition then
            item:setCondition(math.floor(item:getConditionMax() * 0.50))
        end
    end
end

Events.OnCreatePlayer.Add(giveHatchetOnCreate)

hand axe fired item was given.

handle condition worked great.

head did not.

[willow tulip]

um, stop letting AI write your code?

A: hooking wrong event, going to test every crafted item ever, if a lot of mods did this it would be horrible, override the recipes onCreate callback instead

B: Telltale signs of AI is checking for functions existing before they exist. if vital functions don't exist... Well, you have REALLY horrible problems, and checking if they don't exist is masking hallucinations the AI is having.

https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/inventory/InventoryItem.html <- check your inventoryItem API's and try again.

You would be honestly better off erroring due to functions not existing, because at least then you'd know they didn't exist.

[bronze yoke]

ai writes code that detects errors in advance and gives up before trying to do anything so that you don't get an error instead of writing code that actually works

[willow tulip]

instead of just.. some code silently not executing, or being randomly set to the value of '10' instead of the value you expected.

[bronze yoke]

it literally tries to 'fix errors' instead of any flawed logic

[willow tulip]

its like some intern that's been yelled at so many times about error reports they finally 'fixed the errors' but still didn't learn to actually program.

[bronze yoke]

protip: you can fix every bug in your entire codebase by starting every line with --

[willow tulip]

--[[ fixes more bugs with less code! I win! /s

Even the first 2 lines are amazing dubious

local function giveHatchetOnCreate(playerIndex, playerObj)

    local player = playerObj or getSpecificPlayer(playerIndex) or getPlayer()
    if not player then return end

So its got a function.. that takes both the index AND player obj?

is that how that callback works?

Interestingly, it is how that callback works

however... Neat description on that event

[livid haven]

ive tried using getHeadCondition() / setHeadCondition

using my own code with https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/inventory/InventoryItem.html#getHeadCondition() as the referance.

but its not valid.

    local HandAxe = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.HandAxe")

    if HandAxe then
        HandAxe:setHeadCondition(3)
        HandAxe:setHandleCondition(8)
    end
end)```

it should be valid

[willow tulip]

ok but hold up

[livid haven]

been srewing with this for hours.

last resorts go burr.

[bronze yoke]

how so?

[willow tulip]

Oh, your adding things to a new player?

I thought you where overriding a crafting recipe for some reason

[livid haven]

attempting to add an item with custom handle/head condition yes

[willow tulip]

Still, the first line:

local player = playerObj or getSpecificPlayer(playerIndex) or getPlayer()

... why not just.. playerObj?

surely thats valid, or would defeat the entire point of the function

[livid haven]

i mean with mine

    local HandAxe = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.HandAxe")

    if HandAxe then
        HandAxe:setHeadCondition(3)
        HandAxe:setHandleCondition(8)
    end
end)

i used

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/OnCreatePlayer

[willow tulip]

Yes

so whats your error in the console.txt?

[bronze yoke]

yes, you can't create a player that doesn't exist

i see these kinds of nil checks even in human written code 😅

[livid haven]

condition isnt set https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/zombie/inventory/InventoryItem.html#getHeadCondition()

wait two ints?

[willow tulip]

No

what is the error

in your console.txt

the stack trace

because, you have one

[bronze yoke]

it has a single int parameter called int0

[willow tulip]

See your calling functions that don't exist

and if you look at console.txt it will tell you that.

[livid haven]

Object tried to call nil in HandWeapon

[willow tulip]

Yes, on what line?

[livid haven]

11723

[willow tulip]

...

On what line of your code... paste the actual line

[livid haven]

HandAxe:setHeadCondition(3)

[willow tulip]

Are you sure?

And that its not... maybe the very next line?

[livid haven]

ERROR: General      f:0, t:1761869810232> ExceptionLogger.logException> Exception thrown
    java.lang.RuntimeException: Object tried to call nil in Add at KahluaUtil.fail(KahluaUtil.java:97).
    Stack trace:
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaUtil.fail(KahluaUtil.java:97)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.luaMainloop(KahluaThread.java:769)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.call(KahluaThread.java:166)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcall(KahluaThread.java:1754)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcallvoid(KahluaThread.java:1582)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.pcallvoid(LuaCaller.java:60)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.protectedCallVoid(LuaCaller.java:131)
        zombie.Lua.Event.trigger(Event.java:62)
        zombie.Lua.LuaEventManager.triggerEvent(LuaEventManager.java:317)
        zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState.exit(GameLoadingState.java:430)
        zombie.gameStates.GameStateMachine.update(GameStateMachine.java:70)
        zombie.GameWindow.logic(GameWindow.java:346)
        zombie.GameWindow.frameStep(GameWindow.java:790)
        zombie.GameWindow.mainThreadStep(GameWindow.java:552)
        zombie.MainThread.mainLoop(MainThread.java:68)
        java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
LOG  : General      f:0, t:1761869810232> -----------------------------------------```

```function: Add -- file: Oncreateplayer.LUA line # 6 | MOD: hatchettestb42

ERROR: General      f:0, t:1761869810232> ExceptionLogger.logException> Exception thrown
    java.lang.RuntimeException: Object tried to call nil in Add at KahluaUtil.fail(KahluaUtil.java:97).
    Stack trace:
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaUtil.fail(KahluaUtil.java:97)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.luaMainloop(KahluaThread.java:769)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.call(KahluaThread.java:166)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcall(KahluaThread.java:1754)
        se.krka.kahlua.vm.KahluaThread.pcallvoid(KahluaThread.java:1582)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.pcallvoid(LuaCaller.java:60)
        se.krka.kahlua.integration.LuaCaller.protectedCallVoid(LuaCaller.java:131)
        zombie.Lua.Event.trigger(Event.java:62)
        zombie.Lua.LuaEventManager.triggerEvent(LuaEventManager.java:317)
        zombie.gameStates.GameLoadingState.exit(GameLoadingState.java:430)
        zombie.gameStates.GameStateMachine.update(GameStateMachine.java:70)
        zombie.GameWindow.logic(GameWindow.java:346)
        zombie.GameWindow.frameStep(GameWindow.java:790)
        zombie.GameWindow.mainThreadStep(GameWindow.java:552)
        zombie.MainThread.mainLoop(MainThread.java:68)
        java.base/java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
LOG  : General      f:0, t:1761869810232> -----------------------------------------```

both lines are wrong?

Base.HandAxe the item name is fine https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Hatchet

[shy mantle]

Have you guys ever experienced steam successfully updating your item, doing the whole review process thing and hiding the mod for a minute, but then just... not updating the mod page at all?

[livid haven]

what for review? yeah. ive had one sitting for review for nearly 9 months now on the stationeers workshop.

[willow tulip]

Ok weird, im pretty sure it should only error on the 2nd line, on account of setHandleCondition not being a real function but an AI hallunication]

[shy mantle]

The review ended, the page isn't updating.

[willow tulip]

You also can't have it error on a line and then error again o nthe very next line, so now your looking at errors from multiple versions of the same script?

so your likely looking at the wrong line and/or error entirely

save your script file, restart zomboid, cause the error, look at zomboid log for the exact line

it will point out that I have wasted the past 5 minutes trying to explain to you why using AI code is bad because it hallucinate functions and then you wonder why they don't exist.

was trying to explain it in a way that would let you figure this out again in the future but...

now go check every function call the AI gave you against the actual API docs and stop using functions that don't exist.

[bronze yoke]

in most cases umbrella will also just tell you if a function you try to call doesn't exist

[willow tulip]

that'd be the real big brain move too

[bronze yoke]

ignore HandAxe being underlined, forgot to turn off nil check inspections

[shy mantle]

[bronze yoke]

not trying to ignore you, just haven't ever seen that before no

[shy mantle]

Is there a thing where steam will block your updates (or review them longer) if you put out too many updates too quickly?

That's the only thing I can imagine, I'm shadow banned or some shit

[bronze yoke]

how many updates did you realise in what time period?

i wouldn't be shocked if there was something like that but i feel like it'd have to be really excessive

[willow tulip]

I mean iv done like 10+ updates of my description in an hour that each trigger that 'review' (for like 30~60 seconds)

[shy mantle]

Well, it was 3, but technically one was a revert for the other and the next was to fix that. The fourth is the one not going through and this was spread out from 12am to 8pm now (US EST)

[willow tulip]

My bugzapper mod description is now an excercise in 'how many forum links can I have in one mod description before steam worries?'

[bronze yoke]

oh no way, that's not spam at all

[willow tulip]

thats more likely steam shitting itself then steam caring about you lol

[bronze yoke]

when i was a baby modder i updated a particularly broken mod several times in like thirty minutes and it was fine

[shy mantle]

I hope steam is just down

I can only imagine the worst situation

[willow tulip]

lol yea, always sucks when you find those bugs 5 minutes after hitting commit

[drifting ore]

It’s not brother

[shy mantle]

My face when people are black screening because I put 2 lines out of order

[bronze yoke]

i learned quickly:

• test those changes before uploading
• test the LATEST version of the changes
• test the style changes

[willow tulip]

"I only made the tinyest of changes! I don't need to test if they work!" - famious last words

[bronze yoke]

no matter how simple the change is, if it's 'one last thing before i upload', you somehow fucked it up for sure

[willow tulip]

yeep

[bronze yoke]

is this happening with More Car Features? it says it last updated about two hours ago for me

[shy mantle]

I literally tested every other update, it was just late and I said fuck it lol

[willow tulip]

Not only will you have fucked it up but you'll have somehow bricked the entire game in the process lol.

[shy mantle]

EXACTLY

[shy mantle]

It's supposed to say like, not that long ago. Not the 2 hour ago one

[willow tulip]

its never 'oh no, I screwed this up and this thing is 10% off'

[shy mantle]

The worst part about my situation is I think steam is so desynced that people have different versions of my mod rn lol

[willow tulip]

nah, its 'oh no, I screwed this thing up, and now this healing spell is instant kill and then erases your savegame'

[willow tulip]

that'll happen if you ever rename a file, btw.

[bronze yoke]

this just happens even if you do everything right

steam just sometimes doesn't feel like updating them

[willow tulip]

yea lol

validate files in steam, randomly re-downloads like 5 files from various mods, wtf?

[shy mantle]

That's why I sent out the 4th update that never actually got sent apparently

I stopped after the 5th where I just put "STEAM PLEASE UPDATE THIS" in the patch notes lol

I'll look again tmrw

[bronze yoke]

that's why i always clearly mark mod version in-game, have some in-game pop warning about mismatched library versions, and when i fix a major bug i leave a comment telling people not to report it unless the mod has actually updated -- because otherwise people will have the wrong version inexplicably and report a bunch of stuff that isn't actually relevant anymore

[livid haven]

mmmm

    local HandAxe = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.HandAxe")

    if HandAxe then
        HandAxe:setHeadCondition(5)
        HandAxe:setSharpness(5)    
    end
end)```

is error free. but does nothing. 

the same with just HandAxe:setHeadCondition


yet ```void
setHeadCondition(int int0)``` 

maybe 

```void
setHeadConditionFromCondition(InventoryItem item0)``` is a better option.

[willow tulip]

Pretty sure setHeadCondition works just fine.. for setting the head condition

[drifting ore]

Ya lol

[willow tulip]

did you mean: setCondition, for the handle/main condition?

[livid haven]

not sure.

also not sure what i did to get that encumberance lol.

sticks weigh more ?

[willow tulip]

Hmmm that is weird.

[willow tulip]

Is this on server or client?

[livid haven]

client

[willow tulip]

Weird, should be working AFAIK

[livid haven]

mmmm

[willow tulip]

You could maybe try SpawnItem instead of AddItem? Dunno.

Something not quite right that it has 0 sharpness/head condition

does it have 0 if you don't try to set them?

[willow tulip]

I wonder if the player is created before itemScripts are fully loaded? that'd cause some.. real fun issues?

[drifting ore]

It works for me, I did put sharpness above head condition though

[willow tulip]

Hu.

[drifting ore]

local HandAxe = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.HandAxe")
        if HandAxe then
            HandAxe:setSharpness(5)
            HandAxe:setHeadCondition(5)
        end```

Not sure if that was a problem, in my brain it made sense

[willow tulip]

is your still an onCreatePlayer event?

[drifting ore]

Yes

[willow tulip]

Are you testing with other mods loaded?

[livid haven]

shouldnt be. https://pzwiki.net/wiki/OnCreatePlayer its the way to do items.

[drifting ore]

I do also check for the player at the start of the function but besides that and the other stuff I add for my mod, everything else should be the same

Sorry didn't mean to ping

[livid haven]

your fine.

[drifting ore]

local function ReeferMadness_OnCreatePlayer(playerNum, player)
    if not player then return end
    local modData = player:getModData()
    if player:HasTrait("Stoner") and not modData.ReeferMadness_StonerSpawnItemsGiven then
        local HandAxe = player:getInventory():AddItem("Base.HandAxe")
        if HandAxe then
            HandAxe:setSharpness(5)
            HandAxe:setHeadCondition(5)
        end

        modData.ReeferMadness_StonerSpawnItemsGiven = true
    end
end
Events.OnCreatePlayer.Add(ReeferMadness_OnCreatePlayer)```

That is the whole function with the extra items I add for my mod removed, in case the other stuff would make a difference somehow

[willow tulip]

the fact even the mass is wrong makes me believe something has screwed up your handAxe item. try it with Katana or something?

(and make sure no other mods are loaded?)

like if the max sharpness/head condition was also 0...

it would always set to 0

[livid haven]

that works

[drifting ore]

Weird

[willow tulip]

Weird.... also still the weight

[livid haven]

indeed

[drifting ore]

Yeah I was gonna say, why tf is it so light

[livid haven]

idk im gonna verifiy the game and reinstall moons mod after.

pretty sure i messed up something i shouldnt have when i was digging through the files last night.

[willow tulip]

always a good idea

im 99.99% sure my mods have nothing to do with it, but doesn't hurt to do your tests before reinstalling java mods

[livid haven]

oh im sure they dont. but i was digging around in the game files when i was messing with generators. was trying to find a better way to pull fuel use. turns out the game literally has a L/H caulation you can just call. and convert to days/hours in b42/

[willow tulip]

ah lol

[livid haven]

42.12 added a litres per hour value

actually found that out from https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3576056135

[willow tulip]

nice

[willow tulip]

there we go

[livid haven]

dont even remember what i changed in the game files to do that lol.

[willow tulip]

lol

what we need: customizable melee weapons.

Screw addons for guns, I want lead weights for my crowbar.

and spikes.

Unironically this but melee:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xeVoKrcL-q4?feature=share

[livid haven]

and mini crowbars.

then again 1 handed crowbar would be pretty op

[willow tulip]

Crowbar fan attachment: -10% less endurance used to swing as it propells the crowbar (and cools you off with a nice breeze)

Oh yea, try towing a vehicle @livid haven with my mod :0

I think iv made it both realistic and terrifying (as towing another uncontrolled car with a rope should be)

I really need to have someone upload a youtube video of my realistic car physics vs normal or something..

[livid haven]

[willow tulip]

Nice

Incidentally, the new high rolling friction means some low HP vehicles (especially those with tons of weight) might end up stuck offroad, or vehicles with very poor tires

but somehow I feels thats fine too

(as opposed to vanilla, EVERYONE gets stuff offroad)

feel free to adjust plant impulse down too if your gonna do much offroading (its the slowdown thing when you run over trees and stuff)

Also made it so the towed vehicle now slightly turns towards you so it will follow directly behind if you drive in a reasonably straight line

Iv also removed the stupid bull where towed vehicles are magically super light (yet have a ton of drag)

[silent zealot]

That's easy to make in B42, now that you can tag the item as "crowbar, pliers, hammer" instead of everything being hardcoded to specific items only.

I don;t think there would be any way to adjust those tags based on attachmnets though, since (from memory) the tags just falls back to the item script rather than being saved with each item, and you can't override the various getTag functionsthat used by other java functions.

[willow tulip]

Ehhh, Iv been doing some really shitty theorizing on such subjects

in that, as long as we are stuck in SP, we can actually do completely horrible things like changing the fabric of reality (item script definitions) to meet the needs of what the player is currently doing

ie: there is technically nothing wrong with adding a 'crowbar' definition to a 'gun with crowbar bayonet' or whatever your plan is so long as the player has one of said guns

though the other flip side of that, is recipes that depend on tags are cached on game load

so while changing the item script will satisify things using hasTag, it won't for recipes.

[silent zealot]

Yeah, that caching is a problem and I'm not sure there is any way to rebuild it.

The new recipe system has a lot of promise but is very lacking when it comes to mod interactions

[willow tulip]

yea if they could just move the cache till after initglobalmoddata

[muted garnet]

How can I add my tile to my custom entity? How can I set default flags for my tile, for example, making it a door or setting hasDurability = false?

[bright fog]

I believe flags need to be defined in tilezed no ?

It's likely I'l mistaken

I would ask in the mapping Discord linked in the pinned messages of #mapping

[muted garnet]

Yeah, I saw it, thanks — but could you tell me how to add the tile to the entity? Do I need to add it to the vanilla tiles.pack or create my own .pack file?

[livid haven]

i would review how https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2879745353 and https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3346506593 package and publish tiles for others to use in there maps.

[muted garnet]

thanks, i'll try it

[livid haven]

@bronze yokehow do i correctly give a packaged tent? Base.TentBlue gives the unpacked tent. and ive had some real trouble working out how the game handles items with different states.

[drifting ore]

TentBlue_Packed

[livid haven]

god i feel stupid lol. i was sure it was an item state or something.

[drifting ore]

Are you running in debug mode? The "items list viewer" (item spawner) shows the types of all the items, their display names, a lot of useful info

[livid haven]

no i still get a hard crash when i try and start in debug mode. ive been using an item spawning menu to get items an find types.

eg

that and the wiki.

i just mentioned this in that channel.

[drifting ore]

Does that happen with no mods enabled? I think that can happen with outdated mods

[livid haven]

Base.TentBlue_Packed

[livid haven]

nope.

[drifting ore]

So you can launch in debug with no mods?

[livid haven]

yeah im planning on making a second copy of the game. so i can run one with nothing but the base game. soi i can use debug. and have my modded testing version at the same time

[drifting ore]

Ah yeah, I don't actually play the game anymore so I only ever have the mods I'm working on installed/enabled lol

[livid haven]

that worked great.

[bright fog]

Yes you need a pack file

[muted garnet]

Yes, I added a .pack file, but as far as I understand, it also needs .tiles and .tiles.txt files to work, right? If so, could you please tell me how to create them correctly?

[shy mantle]

@bronze yoke Just wanted to let you know that I think that reverting an update using steam's button breaks updates. I had to revert it a second time and THEN update it for it to work again.

[bronze yoke]

i seeee, i've never used that

but i'm glad it sounds like you've got it sorted out now

[shy mantle]

Also as a side note, during that entire time, my mod was not on the workshop page, even though people with the link or the mod already installed could still visit it.

Such a weird situation

Never using that button again

[drifting ore]

has anyone used this before?

isPlayerAllowedOnSquare(IsoPlayer player, IsoGridSquare sq)

I'm trying to add some sort of fix to harvest action where if it's a safehouse player does not belong to, then the action is blocked

[willow tulip]

@placid tulip https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/87949-42123-rev31595-mod-minimum-version-shows-wrong-error-message/ well that would explain why I get reports from B41 users to 'update my mod' -_-;

[placid tulip]

huh?

[willow tulip]

Never tested, but I suspect it shows similar in B41 if your mods min version is set to B42?

Before I just had my mod set to requires=\Build42

but someone was like 'omg you can't do that, use minversion instead!'

Now im wondering if that bug has existed since B41 and its actually clearer to do 'require=\Build42'

[bronze yoke]

that's not the right albion

[willow tulip]

... Doh!

[bronze yoke]

it won't show anything in b41, b41 can't find b42's mod.info

[willow tulip]

@placid tulip Sorry. misping.

[willow tulip]

No I added a B41 mod.info that has a minrequired version of B42

just because I got tired of B41 users going 'I subscribed to your mod but can't find it, help its broken'

(generally with no mention of what version they are on)

If anyone has B41 installed, id love to see what it says for this mod https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3564950449&tscn=1761926530 in the zomboidversion part

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1333987643054227527/1433903875827695778/image.png.4c829a1fe487ffe19dcc00c8699f007b.png?ex=6906628c&is=6905110c&hm=fac9bde6b39931e99fd1d90c66e46e14d232dd8d8381d41c2916912495655eb7&

[bronze yoke]

that message was added in b42

it probably doesn't show anything interesting in b41 but idk

[willow tulip]

meh i'll go check myself...

Nope, People are just... really.. thicc.

Im not sure how I could make this any clearer except maybe coding in some kind of jumpscare sound effect when they click it that screams it at them?

[topaz tangle]

i havent had comments or anything about it yet, but seeing people add my mod into collections labled "b41" makes me so upset

[frank elbow]

Have you considered changing the title on the workshop to “[B42] Project [B42] Summer [B42] Car [B42] for B42”?

[knotty stone]

[willow tulip]

Might be a good idea. Can I make steam mod descriptions like flash the [B42] text too?

[frank elbow]

Maybe throw a couple hundred [h1]B42 ONLY. THIS IS ONLY FOR B42.[/h1] in there

[nova ridge]

Boy got that zomboid 2 action

[shell holly]

hi guys. Do you have a doc for link vscode & pz functions ?

[icy night]

This? https://demiurgequantified.github.io/ProjectZomboidJavaDocs/

[shell holly]

I would like VS Code to recognize the game's functions

[bronze yoke]

https://github.com/PZ-Umbrella/Umbrella

[shell holly]

Magiq ! TY VM

[icy night]

Hi all, does anyone know how to create a proper explosion? Like the type that makes ragdoll zombies go flying. I thought IsoFireManager.explode() might but it just creates a square of fire.

Would I have to spawn a pipe bomb or something

[willow tulip]

pipe bomb definately causes a nice blast, dunno if you can do the same via lua

[icy night]

unfortunately I havent seen any mods that do it via pipe bombs

so idek

[willow tulip]

I meant maybe see what the code behind it exploding is

[elder tree]

I think I hate curbs

[fringe pasture]

how u make mods

[topaz tangle]

Depends on what kind

[topaz tangle]

Putting in the extra time to do road stuff properly is always so amazing to me though!!! Genuinely love road detail

[oblique star]

out of curiosity, noone has made a mod to put in a clothing/hoodie add on for the pz makeship hoodie yet right?

i didn't see anything specific in the workshop for it, so i figured it either hasn't been made yet or it's in a clothing pack somewhere

[elder tree]

anyone know why my windows look like this (in reference to that strange top bit)

[bright fog]

Access the container, access its current distri table. I think you should be able to do something like that

@willow tulip

Regarding #1318920979581501502

[willow tulip]

Im not seeing a function to get a containers distro table?

[bright fog]

Ah

I'd have to check it out but I can't rn

[willow tulip]

np

[bright fog]

There's an event that triggers when a container gets filled

[willow tulip]

Sure, but that means your now checking every container everywhere, instead of just that one time your item gets spawned

[bright fog]

I'd be surprised if the distri table isn't stored somewhere. Unless the loot respawn doesn't always spawn the same distri table

[willow tulip]

Ok but I don't need to do it right now

[bright fog]

Sure but it's not like that's less efficient than checking every single item spawning 😅

[willow tulip]

im just saying, passing that to onCreate or whatever would be magical

onCreate already exists, it just doesn't get any cool parameters about why the item was created.

[bright fog]

Yea then turn your suggestion around that I think. Also that thread is useless, I've barely seen anything there being added in

[willow tulip]

shrugs

almost 2am. need sleep. cya

[bright fog]

Gn

[frank elbow]

It's the best we've got (for things other than bug reports), even if it truly is a void 😅 personally I'm holding on to hope that addressing stuff there is just not a priority compared to regular features and fixes, which would be reasonable

[icy night]

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here: ```local function hasLastLaughTrait()
local player = getPlayer()
if not player then
return
end

local modData = player:getModData()
modData.hasLastLaugh = player:HasTrait("LastLaugh")
end

Events.OnPostMapLoad.Add(hasLastLaughTrait)

The goal is simply to register if the player, upon creation has the trait LastLaugh. That way, I can call upon it in a secondary function that triggers an explosion OnPlayerDeath (since onplayerdeath seems to not be able to check traits)

but the problem is modData.hasLastLaugh always returns false

[bright fog]

It returns false or nil ?

Maybe use a different event

Also did you make sure that your code actually reaches the point of checking the traits ?

Add a print in this code to test things out

[icy night]

I tried OnCreatePlayer too. And many others that load after the player has been created and the prints show it has checked traits but then always registers that the player doesnt have the trait

[icy night]

nil when I use OnCreatePlayer or other events that seem to fire too soon. False for OnPostMapLoad

[bright fog]

Make sure your code actually runs

[icy night]

ok, stupid me. I figured it out

In the code I was using, hasTrait wasnt capitalized

I went with OnGameStart event and now everythign works

[modern flare]

Hey guys! Is the anyone who comissioned some vehicles from ki5?

[nova knot]

Does anyone know if you can control a bot on a server without actually loading the game? So, just the server would be running and the bot could interact with the game

[slow thunder]

Yeah in theory, have to code some rcon commands into the bot and add functionality user side, potentially have to hardcode the rcon password in the bot and use the both authentication so only authenticated people or with certain role could do but yeah doable i think

what do all you think of my hot lap mod?

records players lap times around the races tracks in knoxx, well functioning Redstone Raceway currently

need to work on the ui icon

[nova knot]

thanks, but I was more curious if the server would actually function if the only "player" is a bot that is being hosted on the same machine. I wanted to mod the server so I could control a character through a python script and train ai agents on the game, without actually rendering graphics. would you happen to know?

[wicked ruin]

Hi dudes. Does anyone know how to properly upload soundtracks to the ".bank" format so that they work properly and replace the vanilla music?
If anyone knows, please write to me. I would be happy to hear any ideas from those who have already done similar work)

[bright fog]

I haven't seen any proper detailed explanation on how to do it, all I know is you need to unpack, replace musics then repack

[bright fog]

You have no choice but to create a client somehow, if you don't have an interface it's most likely not going to work at all

A majority of actions require UI interactions

So you'd have to somehow manage to make the game work without a UI and add some interface to replace all the UI interactions with proper Lua scripts

There's a project of people that worked an AI agent

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZ_AI_agent

[spring geyser]

Is this game mostly made using 3D modeling?

I asked if the house was built using a 2.5D sprite sheet because I noticed it was partially obscured.

[nova knot]

damn, this isn't quite what I was looking for. I wanted to train an rl agent using PZ as the environment, but I need it to run headless and in parallel. I don't imagine I could mod the game to run headlessly either. thanks anyways though, saved me a bunch of time

[wicked ruin]

the problem is that when packing to the bank, you need to create additional folders in the program for further use in the code. but what are the names of these folders... we can only guess

[bright fog]

Check the sound scripts

[wicked ruin]

I've already read the scripts for music and sounds))) they can't be searched by file to find

[bright fog]

Maybe a bank file viewer then ?

[wicked ruin]

I have already used the fmod extractor to look at the packaging code. He skips sorting through folders and unpacks all the soundtracks completely. the txt file with the supporting information seems to dissolve into it... (all scripts and renames should be written in it). In the same way, for the sake of the test, I unpacked the folder of original music and packed it back in the form it was given. as a result, she did not earn. The bank file is a source of both problems and solutions)

[bright fog]

#1178079029824336043 message

But did you straight up extract or used an app to view the content ?

Bcs that app in the comment link I shared allows you to view the content without extracting

[wicked ruin]

I extracted it immediately because I didn't have a viewer program

[wicked ruin]

The idea is certainly interesting, thank you)

[bright fog]

Yea check what I sent, maybe that could do it ?

[earnest remnant]

Is anyone ever mentioned or contemplated a mod to introduce basic automation? There is real life and the lore justification for basic Ethernet or phone line. You could essentially create a system similar to Redstone or it can be more complex since technically in phone wire there's four wires in an basic ethernet there's eight you could do basic message passing or you could utilize the various channels (cables) to essentially maintain state or use it for sending timers or ticks or things. For the automation part I think that it would be relatively straightforward to essentially create things like buttons, pressure plates, switches, etc that are programmable to set a specific wire or to send a pulse or things like that. The ideas are on my head and in the basic programming is in my head but I don't have the time because I have kids, and a job, And I always get stopped at the very beginning where I'm trying to scope it out and I weigh overscope things.

[bright fog]

Definitely doable

[bright fog]

@bronze yoke might be onto it, or parts of it 👀

[wicked ruin]

Yeah) It helps me. thx u

[earnest remnant]

I'm up for collaboration the idea if anyone wants to be the primary brainchild. Life's too busy for me to have hobbies

[willow tulip]

The problem is there is really nothing to automate atm

we're missing everything that might be an input or output.

[bright fog]

I guess yea

In terms of resources for sure

[willow tulip]

Like, we need traps, power doors, remote controllable lights.. maybe some kinda crafting factory system, dunno

[bright fog]

So if you wanted to make such a mod, like factory like stuff, you'd have to basic make multiple submods to implement resources to actually automate, for example ores, tree farming

[willow tulip]

As a canadian, the lack of warcrime level traps annoys the hell outta me.

Wheres the giant spinny blade thingys from 7d2d?!?

or electrozap traps

[small osprey]

I know that Cars, Players, Zombies, weapons, most placable items and animals are 3d - the rest are 2d sprites

[bright fog]

Tiles are 2D, and they a depth map which is used for pseudo 3D

[willow tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/unfortunate-oopsie-oops-explosion-explode-gif-2987477781612236300

[earnest remnant]

There is the factory parts mods, automated doors has a precedent and wouldn't be difficult as it's just a matter of "receive a signal, trigger door open", traps are little more nuanced but I have seen some psuedo traps such as a spike trap mod and a mod that makes barracades hurt zeds

[willow tulip]

we don't even have landmines!

prox pipebombs are about best we can do -_-

[knotty stone]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3400131934 shouldnt that fit your needs for now? ^^

[earnest remnant]

Oh it does, being a Network Engineer I just want to be able to plug things in lol

My thought is if the framework existed that have the transport, other folks could build the end points

[bronze yoke]

it is not stored or ever passed to lua

[bright fog]

I meant a reference to the distribution being used

Like the key for the distribution table to easily access the loot which can spawn in a container

[bronze yoke]

unfortunately so do i 😅

[bright fog]

💀

So loot respawn rerolls the container type being used basically ?

[bronze yoke]

yeah

[bright fog]

When they spawn loot they pick one of the distribution and just rolls for loot and then ditch it

I guess that makes sense, so you can't just have full medicine containers in the military containers and be stuck with it forever

[earnest remnant]

Just to put it out there if anyone decides they like the idea. For speed I organized my thiughts with Gemini I to a concept/design doc for a connectivity framework that could open up some possibilities for automations and inter-device communication.

Use it or don't, just want to punt it out there so it's no longer in my head!

[bright fog]

I might be interested in making an electronic mod tbf, a mix of UI and object connections. My main problem is making anything which is tiles and art, but I've got some ideas for an interactive electronic system, where players can cable things together in a workshop UI. If there's actually a sort of internet thing being implemented, of having an interface to view their connected devices, and maybe customize their interactions

That sounds fun to code in

[bronze yoke]

i've been working on something sort of like this, i don't think it'll meet your specifications exactly though

[bright fog]

Yea since I know you're working on an electrical mod I'd have to see what you're planning on doing before working on something like that myself, so I don't recreate something you're basically already implementing

My idea is more towards electronic tho, not electrical wiring and machines

[bronze yoke]

the basic concept of my mod is to rework power generation and consumption to require wiring between devices

[bright fog]

Yea so it could live outside of my mod concept easily, or even have direct compatibility in a way

[bronze yoke]

originally i wasn't planning to include signals and just consider adding them later, but i've come to realise that power is basically just a signal anyway and trying to leave support for them later would require me to redo most of the work

[earnest remnant]

Just glad it seems something even remotely like it is on someone else's mind lol. Y'all the real MVPs. I'll actually contribute once I don't have so many kids under 5 lol

[willow tulip]

Yay, I have now completely fixed running over zombies randomly sending your car outta control with excessive impulses

(the impulses had no cooldown and would get triggered between 1~5 times over several 10mS physics timesteps when you ran over a zombie)

[bright fog]

👀

[willow tulip]

Also the issue with animals was they had a corpsesize as big as a car.

And the collision code took offense to that.

[bright fog]

uh wdym ?

[willow tulip]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/86399-42110-rev30715-deer-have-magic-forcefield-when-run-over/

Running over a deer at 10mph

Yep, thats definately what is supposed to happen when running over an animal at low speed.

... My bug zapper mod has run out of room in its description for all the bugs it fixes. sigh

[bright fog]

Make a workshop page discussion

[willow tulip]

I think a steam guide would be more editable?

[bronze yoke]

a steam guide isn't scoped to a mod

[bright fog]

The cool thing with a discussion is that you can pin it to the workshop page

[willow tulip]

yea but can I edit my posts on it?

[bright fog]

I'm talking actual workshop page discussion, not Steam discussion

[bright fog]

Of course

[bronze yoke]

yes

[willow tulip]

Ahh k

is there a post length limit?

[bronze yoke]

i think there is a length limit so if you're really anxious you can reserve a couple posts

[willow tulip]

yea iv literally run outta character limit for my steam description is the issue :p

[bright fog]

A comment has a limit, but you can add as many comments as you want

[bronze yoke]

if you lock the discussion (maybe creating another one for comments if you want) then you can just keep adding posts as long as you want

[bright fog]

I don't remember but I think locking doesn't show it has pinned on the Workshop page no ?

[bronze yoke]

you can pin anything you want

[bright fog]

That's not what I mean

I mean if you pin, but lock, it won't pin

I'll test

[bronze yoke]

pretty sure you can pin locked threads

i'm pretty sure i did that with starlit before i moved to sphinx

[bright fog]

But I remember having to reserve posts bcs there was a specific limitation that didn't allow me to lock properly

Yup

That's the problem

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3525515977

This works

But then if I lock

Doesn't appear anymore

[bronze yoke]

weird

[bright fog]

Bcs when you "lock" it means you "close" the thread

[bronze yoke]

well, worst case you can just delete people's comments

[bright fog]

Yea tho if he doesn't do that constantly, he'll be fucked

[willow tulip]

Yea I think I'll just make a guide and link it to huge print/image

like 36pt "CLICK HERE FOR BUGFIX LIST WITH FORUM REPORTS" and just reduce the description to a simpler list of important bugs fixed with no citation links/etc.

[bright fog]

You can do even better

some things I have done is this

[willow tulip]

Shit, I forgot steam description supports my old friend: tables

[bright fog]

But you could even take a screenshot of a Steam guide embed in other Steam things like comments, which nicely embeds it

Let me find an example of that

[bronze yoke]

ah, you already use a guide for your mod anyway

[willow tulip]

yea for project summer car. Im talking another for Bugzapper 9000

[bronze yoke]

i'd consider hosting a wiki at a certain point

you can do it easily on github and you'll have far more control of presentation

[bright fog]

If you paste a guide in a discussion, you get a nice embed

You can take a screenshot of that, and use it for your own stuff

I think I have an example of that wait

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3240134012

[willow tulip]

Nice

what does .bank files let you do that the sound scripts don't btw?

[bright fog]

Adaptative sound in a way

Firearm sounds changing based on if you're inside or outside

Automatic sound volume based on conditions (zooming in/out decreasing volume)

[willow tulip]

is that the tiny soundparameter java class stuff littered throughout the codebase?

[bright fog]

idk

[bronze yoke]

yeah

[willow tulip]

@bright fog So the issue is, the vanilla game won't load arbitary soundbank files?

[bright fog]

Basically

[bronze yoke]

there has never been any modding support for them whatsoever

[bright fog]

You need to manually install it AND you need to replace the whole .bank file which holds every single sound in the game

[willow tulip]

But we can create them.. thats like, 7/10ths of what you'd wanna do in modding them

[bright fog]

Same for game musics with another bank file

[bronze yoke]

fmod is a sound engine that takes in events and parameters from the game and then internally decides what audio to play, effects to put on it etc

[bright fog]

Any mod which modifies the same bank file (aka the only bank file that matters) will be incompatible by default

[willow tulip]

If devs would just open up.. loading .banks from your mod folder...

[bronze yoke]

we don't have a way of sending those events or changing those parameters from lua

[willow tulip]

and ideally had some kinda override system

[willow tulip]

Sure, but even just being able to add new sounds that react to vanilla parameters would be amazing.

[bronze yoke]

except sound emitters' playSound methods, which just trigger an fmod event with no parameters

[bright fog]

I have mentioned them adding fmod support as a suggestion, in fact I believe it was one of my first suggstion in #1318920979581501502

[bronze yoke]

afaik those parameters only exist for the exact events they're used

so it would only really allow a couple very limited things the vanilla sounds already do

[willow tulip]

sure but.. new engine sounds. New zombie sounds.

new gunshot sounds

etc.

[bright fog]

Actually nah that was somewhere else I think

[bronze yoke]

engine sounds are the only thing i've seen proof actually need it

[willow tulip]

I feel like for the amount of work needed by TIS (load banks found in mod folders), it would be worth it to support that amount of it.

[bronze yoke]

i don't remember what the thing with zombie sounds was, sim knows about it though

[bright fog]

Lots of things

If you don't use FMOD, you need to manually control and time the zombie sounds

And adjust volume

[willow tulip]

the whole soundparameter thing might be more work then its worth ATM, but at least let us have the most basic of 'add a .bank file' support.

[bright fog]

And sound won't adapt to inside outside, so no inside effect for sounds

You need to calculate the zoom level to adjust volume

I went with a manual control of sounds in my Zomboid Forge rework for B42

Tho I only realized recently that sounds volume change based on zoom level, so uh that's not a thing rn

[bronze yoke]

i see, so zombie sounds just don't use events? they're triggered entirely within fmod?

[bright fog]

and it probably never will since I no longer works on that

[bright fog]

Wdym by events ?

Actions in the game ? They kind of do, like hit reaction and shit like that

Unless you mean something else

[willow tulip]

Anyone wanna post a request for basic .bank file support in mods here? https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/20-pz-suggestions/

I'll support it for what its worth.

[bright fog]

Not even sure that's possible, depends if the game can even load from different bank files

[willow tulip]

(God I hate the vanilla engine sounds after 1000 hours of listening to them)

[bronze yoke]

it's been requested several times already

they have a thread for modder requests and it's about as active as the discord one

[willow tulip]

find a thread and lets bump that? lol..

[bronze yoke]

like lua events, FMOD events are just saying 'a thing happened, do something' and FMOD uses that information to work out which sound to play what effects to apply etc -- most sound triggers are just an event

[bright fog]

Pretty sure they do use events then, it's like the footsteps for zombies, they trigger via events for sure since they play different sounds based on the material ?

Tho I'm really not familiar at all with how any of it works internally

[bronze yoke]

footsteps should be events yeah, i wonder if their idle groans are though

it would make more sense for fmod to handle those

[bright fog]

They make different sounds based on agro or idle

Maybe when they get close to the player too idk

[bronze yoke]

basically not all sounds have to be manually triggered by java code

[bright fog]

Hit reaction triggers specific sounds

Or I mean, a set type of sound for zombies

[bronze yoke]

music for example is controlled entirely by fmod, the game just provides context about what's going on in the game and fmod decides what music to play

[bright fog]

They also have 6 sound types, male and female and A B C

[bronze yoke]

the game might just say 'there is a zombie here, it has sound type male A' and fmod periodically plays sounds whenever it wants rather than on a timer sending events in the java or something

basically just rationalising why it doesn't go through sound scripts, that's the only way i can imagine why

[bright fog]

There are sound scripts for zombies

[bronze yoke]

but they don't work fully right?

[bright fog]

Never understood how they work tbh

I know I've seen examples of replacing the zombie sounds by changing the scripts

But the control is basically zero

[willow tulip]

I never got too deep into fmod during my time using it -_-

[bright fog]

And the sounds I believe just get constantly spammed

And you can't change A B C type in the sound scripts if I remember right

[bronze yoke]

ahhh, that would do it actually

fmod would use one event for all sound types and pass the sound type as a parameter

[small osprey]

1/ Heya Sim 🐕 and also @bronze yoke both whose opinion about good APIs I value. Related to the past feedback and due to my own need to "manifest stuff in the world" I am close to start implementing something.

Given that

The modder wants to change or create something in the world.
They know exactly what they want to change/create and have the code for it.
They either know exactly where/when in the game that should happen or they are flexible and may indeed wish to set dynamic rules.
Problem They cannot change/create it yet because the world isn't ready (chunk load or any other condition, world-time etc. ..)
Vision So they ask a system that tracks their wishes and fulfills them when and where the world is ready for them.

2/

Solution (pre-implement)

Single world change at precise location, when location is ready

local PromiseKeeper = require("PromiseKeeper")

--- User provided function to serve as fulfiller: called once per roomDef
---@param roomDef RoomDef
---@param meta { id:string, fulfiller:string, tag:string|nil }
function LabScene.makeForRoomDef(roomDef, meta)
  -- build with SceneBuilder ...
end

PromiseKeeper.registerFulfiller("destroyed_lab_scene", LabScene.makeForRoomDef, "Scene")

---@type RoomDef
local LabRoomDef = MyFinder.pickRoomForLab()  -- your own resolver
-- or local LabRoomDef = getCell():getGridSquare(10677, 9783, 0) -- example coords

PromiseKeeper.ensureAt({
  id        = "intro-destroyed-lab-A",
  fulfiller = "destroyed_lab_scene",
  target    = LabRoomDef,
})

3/

Permanent promise that affects all chunks

local PromiseKeeper = require("PromiseKeeper")

--- User provided function to serve as fulfiller: called once per roomDef
function KitchenScene.makeForRoomDef(roomDef, meta)
  -- build with SceneBuilder ...
end

PromiseKeeper.registerFulfiller("kitchen_oddity_scene", KitchenScene.makeForRoomDef, "Scene")

-- Matcher: receives both chunkCtx and optional matchParam table
local function matchKitchens(chunkCtx, matchParam)
  local results = {}
  local chance = (matchParam and matchParam.chance) or 1.0

  for _, roomDef in pairs(chunkCtx.roomDefs) do
    if roomDef:getName() == "kitchen" and ZombRandFloat(0.0, 1.0) < chance then
      local key = tostring(roomDef:getID())  -- stable keys avoid double-spawning
      results[#results+1] = { type = "roomDef", key = key, ref = roomDef }
    end
  end
  return results
end

-- PromiseKeeper ensures these scenes exist as often as requested
PromiseKeeper.ensureMatchingForChunk({
  id          = "global-kitchen-oddities",
  fulfiller   = "kitchen_oddity_scene",
  matchFn     = matchKitchens,
  matchParams = { chance = 0.2},  -- every 5th kitchen
  maxFulfillments = 999999        -- GLOBAL cap to this promise ID. For "permanent promises" set > total chunks on the map
})

4/

Questions 🙂

1. Do you know if something like this already exists? I tried and researched but found nothing that came close enough in my book
2. Do you think its a good idea? "meh"? 😄
3. I have an implementation plan but I won't bore you with details, suffice to say I think I'll use starlit events for the first time under the hood. In case there is any other advise I'd be glad to hear

🫶 Thank you for the attention and the screen-space.

p.s.: I would love to not need to register fulfiller functions but pass them directly, however promises and who filfills them need to be persisted in modData so I guess string is safer. Now that I say that I think I also need to do that for the matchFn 🫠

[shy mantle]

Found this cool bug where if a vehicle is facing ~perfectly~ NW, NE, SW, SE you cannot use the V radial menu from a distance without using combat stance (or a controller I'm assuming). getNearVehicle fails to find the vehicle at those specific angles for whatever reason. Discovered it while testing climbable vehicles, just thought I'd bring it up here if anyone else was having issue idk

[bright fog]

Make a bug report

[shy mantle]

Yeah I will in a bit, it's very easy to replicate so it should be a quick bug fix (if they see it)

[shell holly]

Hi, I have a general question. In my mod, I want to spawn objects on the map. I understand the logic of chunks, squares, etc., but i have questions.
**I'm thinking about these steps : **

1. I create my objects in a ModData table (server)
2. Every time a player moves (Events.OnPlayerMove), I check if the object is in the chunk (client -> server)
3. I force the creation of the object on the server side (server)

My question is: do I need to synchronize something with the client, and if so, what? How?
To be clear, I'm looking for multiplayer compatibility on B41.

Thank you very much in advance.

[muted garnet]

Could you please explain what exactly each of these files is used for and how to use them correctly?

seams, seating, spriteModels, tileDepthTextureAssignments, tileGeometry

And could you also please tell me how to add 2x tiles, like in vanilla — tiles and tiles2x?

[bronze yoke]

1x sprites are no longer used in build 42, your sprites are almost definitely already 2x

[shy mantle]

Discord's time stamps had me confused, forgot today was the end of daylight saving.

Anyways, is there a proper way to just play an animation without doing anything else, just the character doing the animation.

I tried PlayAnim, but literally nothing happened

[bronze yoke]

yeah not really, any API like that is ancient from before the game was even 3d

animations are basically controlled by xml animation scripts

there's a state machine that transitions between animation nodes based on the parameters set in those animation scripts

i think the easiest way to just play an animation is to copy how emotes work but i don't really know the details of that

[silent zealot]

Excalibar has a very similar system, but instead of checking "is this tile in the active cell" on every move it checks it using the everyTenMinutes event.

That means if you were fast enough you might have the tile on screen when the stuff spawns, but in practical terms you'd have to time it really well and make a deliberate effort to do so. Would be different if the mod was spawning things on the highway so you could just drive up to them easily.

[muted garnet]

I seem to have added the vanilla sprites, but they were added in lower quality. Also, could you please tell me how to fix the visual bug where the character appears under the texture?

If I understood correctly, I need to modify the tileset and tileGeometry files, right?:

tileGeometry
{
    VERSION = 2,

    tileset
    {
        name = uo_tiles,

        /* uo_tiles_2 */
        tile
        {
            xy = 2x2,

            box
            {
                translate = -4684x0x262,
                rotate = 0x0x0,
                min = -315x0x-5262,
                max = 315x24494x5262,
            }

            properties
            {
                OpaquePixelsOnly = true,
            }
        }

        /* uo_tiles_3 */
        tile
        {
            xy = 3x2,

            box
            {
                translate = 234x0x-4682,
                rotate = 0x0x0,
                min = -5235x0x-317,
                max = 5235x24494x317,
            }

            properties
            {
                OpaquePixelsOnly = true,
            }
        }
    }
}

version = 1
tileset
{
    file = uo_tiles
    size = 8,16
    id = 1
    // uo_tiles_0
    tile
    {
        xy = 0,0
        BlocksPlacement =
        MaterialType = Metal_Large
        alwaysDraw =
        attachedFloor =
        solid =
    }
    // uo_tiles_1
    tile
    {
        xy = 0,0
        BlocksPlacement =
        MaterialType = Metal_Large
        alwaysDraw =
        attachedFloor =
        solid =
    }
    // uo_tiles_2
    tile
    {
        xy = 2,2
        CanScrap =
        Material = MetalBars
        MaterialType = Metal_Light
        SpearOnlyAttackThrough =
        WallWTrans =
        makeWindowInvincible =
        wall =
    }
    // uo_tiles_3
    tile
    {
        xy = 3,2
        CanScrap =
        Material = MetalBars
        MaterialType = Metal_Light
        SpearOnlyAttackThrough =
        WallNTrans =
        makeWindowInvincible =
        wall =
    }
}

[cursive veldt]

I need more practice

[knotty stone]

damn all these night vision mods and vanilla has it already, just a bit slow when turning off 🧐

[bright fog]

You're using the lighting debug option right ?

[knotty stone]

isWearingNightVisionGoggles()

its the only thing i found 😄

was going to enable nv for my b42 brita googles, so i had to dig around

[bright fog]

I mean that's probably why modders don't use it then

I think @sour island might know more since he worked on a nightvision framework

[knotty stone]

played around a bit, iam content 😄
https://imgur.com/a/MMe32De

maybe some more noise or grain

[bright fog]

Nice

Is the red light supposed to be a red laser ?

[knotty stone]

the red light is from escape from kentucky(not working in their mod atm, fixed that myself), its a supposed to be a thermal sight

[bright fog]

I see, you can easily create light sources with Lua in B42 now

October modding wiki summary

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/User:SirDoggyJvla/summary

[knotty stone]

only problem iam stuck with is that the context menu is not rly working with the overlay, the mouse is not registering the options

[bright fog]

The menu doesn't open or you can't click the options ?

[knotty stone]

cant click the options and inventory also isnt opening when hovering

[bright fog]

Most likely bcs the green effect is actually a UI then

So the cursor is registered as inside that UI

And since it takes the whole screen, the majority of other stuff can't be clicked since your cursor is in that UI

[knotty stone]

left and right mouse button click works fine, just the hover is broken

[bright fog]

Bcs there's no right and left click functions in the UI

But I guess there's still a hover one in the UI

[knotty stone]

yea was because it used ui manager, doing manual render fixed it

[bright fog]

Wdym manual render ?

In the render events ?

[knotty stone]

dont ask me such complicated questions, claude is doing all the hard work here 😆

[bright fog]

💀

[knotty stone]

function BritaNV.Overlay.ManualRender()
    if not BritaNV.Overlay.isActive then return end
    
    local screenWidth = getCore():getScreenWidth()
    local screenHeight = getCore():getScreenHeight()
    
    -- Create temporary panel for rendering without adding to UI manager
    if not BritaNV.Overlay.panel then
        BritaNV.Overlay.panel = BritaNV.NVPanel:new(0, 0, screenWidth, screenHeight)
        BritaNV.Overlay.panel:initialise()
    end
    
    -- Manually call render (bypasses UI manager mouse handling)
    BritaNV.Overlay.panel:render()
end``` 

```-- Initialize on game start
function BritaNV.Overlay.Initialize()
    BritaNV.DebugPrint("Advanced NV Overlay system initialized")
    Events.OnPlayerUpdate.Add(OnPlayerUpdate)
    Events.OnPostUIDraw.Add(BritaNV.Overlay.ManualRender)  -- Manual rendering to avoid mouse blocking
end```

neither time nor patience atm to learn all that stuff, just have to feed him with all the info you can get and set the metadata up right

[frank pike]

Been working on alittle submod for expanded helicopter events for personal use. I've been changing the flight sounds of the aircrafts depending on their types. For example, the common military helicopters using blackhawk audio. I've also made some things like the civilian use bell206 audio and the gunship use apache sounds, and so on.

[willow tulip]

I need to add backup lights to cars someday..

sucks so much backing up at night

[knotty stone]

what button did i press?was in vehicle editor xD

[willow tulip]

That could be any button!just mash keyboard keys till it gets better or worse. /s

do note that several of the buttons now turn on cheats like god mode.

[willow tulip]

also, nice bulldozer 🙂

[knotty stone]

Smashed like you said in vehicle editor and worked but still not sure which button it was 😅

[willow tulip]

oh I don't even think you have to be in vehicle editor to turn on wireframe mode?

shrugs

[knotty stone]

a bit sad that physic boxes only work for ragdolls and work subpar lol

basically stuck due to the weight or downforce they apply

[willow tulip]

... Ok so its not just my modified vehicles that have that issue lol.

Guess I never bothered to check if it applies reguardless.

[knotty stone]

yea for collision you still have to use the extents box

[willow tulip]

wanna test a mod that will let your vehicle be 5000kg+ and still drive? :p

(Can't promise improved ragdoll action, but will absolutely plow through other (non burnt wreck) cars

[knotty stone]

lol, would be nice if you get that to work

[willow tulip]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3559765660

[knotty stone]

already using that, but 2800 wouldnt move, any suspensions recommendations? ^^

[willow tulip]

No, it was just updated 30 seconds ago

[knotty stone]

ah ok

[willow tulip]

You'll need to do the manual install again

[knotty stone]

but making it a require for the super bulldozer is not a smart move i think, many ppl just play vanilla physics

[willow tulip]

Yea at some point I need to make system where mod authors can supply an alternative HP/mass/aerodynamic drag for their vehicles

[knotty stone]

i mean i could just make a submod with a different, vehicle script file and thats it

[willow tulip]

Yea

Or alter your vehicle script at runtime with LUA if realistic physics is installed

[knotty stone]

i tried a speed limiter when bulldoze mode is on, no chance, or it was your mod interfering, havent tested it vanilla 😄

[willow tulip]

changing the vehicles top speed will dynamically recalculate its final gearbox ratio and should work

I believe you can access it with stablib on the vehicle script..

I really need to play with reflection more from the LUA side.

Using Load() might also work

[knotty stone]

i had setMaxSpeed running in bulldoze mode and it didnt change a thing sadly

[willow tulip]

My bad, try that without my mod, looks like I was using the vehiclescript maxspeed and I don't have a copy of the vanilla code to confirm what it does -_-;

(changed my code to use getMaxSpeed on the vehicle object for next update)

Anyway, other then that bug 😛 tell me what you think of the new realistic physics update with a high weight vehicle 🙂

[knotty stone]

will have to test that on the w900 box truck, i had implemented a function to manipulate its weight to have it behave better^^

fly little ones, fly !

[willow tulip]

hahahah, zombie be like "my people need me!"

[willow tulip]

thats basically how I fix the issues, except in much more complicated and cursed ways to fix the issues that also causes

[knotty stone]

i think i had it read the script mass, the rest will be reduced by x%

[willow tulip]

Yea, I change what mass is submitted to bullet physics, so the mechanic UI/etc still shows the 'correct' mass

[icy night]

for anyone who might've been wondering, pushing a zombie who has spiked armor on, does not damage you. Was doing some testing and nothing happened

[bright fog]

You made sure to not be in god mode ?

[icy night]

Yea

I was only invisible

Pushed 2 zombies in full spiked armor like 30 times and it did nothing to me

[bronze yoke]

invisible has a lot of unexpected side effects, i would try it without

[pearl prism]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3598575779

I launched my M163 mod, it's basically an M113 with a 20mm Vulcan rotary cannon

[knotty stone]

i was going to make a killdozer in the next weeks and using your track system, but will have to change the layout of the tracks, how difficult will it be? 😄

[pearl prism]

Honestly, rigging the tracks is by far the most complicated thing of all, it's extremely laborious. That's why, if you notice, I'm releasing several mods with the same M113 platform, precisely to take advantage of the tracks that have been made.

[knotty stone]

yea i thought so, well if its not reasonable doable it will have to stay that way

[small osprey]

True labor of love of firepower. Amazing.

[elder tree]

I can't seem to delete these curbs, or copy them... I can also for some reason place other tiles on them now. Has anyone else experienced this big?

[delicate solar]

Is it too much if I publish this?

[drifting ore]

Did you make the tetriZ one?

That shit is so damn cool

[bright fog]

#mapping will get you better help

[delicate solar]

yes with friend

[bright fog]

Yo there's my TLOU Infected sounds

Cool shit anyway

[small osprey]

Why would it be too much? This is hot as hell.

[knotty stone]

needs some fine tuning but hey i can power annex buildings ^^

[vast hedge]

hello! i'm starting out with steam workshop icons, so for anyone that'd like a handdrawn piece for their mod:

my rates start at 40 USD for rendered stuff and 25 usd for anything for simple and flat ^^

caard in bio, contact through dms for inquiries and other samples of my work :D
-# character is a spiffo-sona because i thought it would b funny

[frank elbow]

You'll probably have better luck with this sort of thing in the unofficial modding server—it has a channel for commissions

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/PZ_Modding_Community

[vast hedge]

thanks ^^

[still hamlet]

Hi, I don't think I'm in the right place, but anyway...

I've developed a mod manager for dedicated Project Zomboid servers in docker.
It allows mods to be disabled or re-enabled without uninstalling them.

Mods are added automatically using their Workshop ID.
The site includes a filtering and sorting system.

Changes to variables in the world.ini file are applied instantly.
There's also an integrated server restart system via Docker.

I've tailored the script to fit my own setup, and I don't think I have the skills to handle every possible case.
What I can say is that it's fully functional.

That's all from me.

[thin swan]

Anyone tried using Events.OnAddForageDefs to remove an item from showing in search/forage mode?

Or wait a minute, there's canBeForaged for items, let's see if it works

[rich reef]

Hello, I've got a question.

I would like to cache the IsoPlayer object at the start of the game for later use in multiple local functions.

Is there a safe way to do this and make sure it doesn't lose scope throughout the program? I've got numerous calls in different functions requiring a player object, and I just want to tidy things up if possible.

Thanks!

[mellow frigate]

if you do not want MP nor split screen, use getPlayer(). that's the point of it. Else, you need to understand what is the contextually correct IsoPlayer to use in each situation.

[rich reef]

Thanks for the response Tchernobill.

I've used a variety of the methods, and I know there are results when ran from server vs client. I'm just trying to figure out all of those contexts so I can apply them without second guessing things.

I'm not worried about split screen at all, but I've seen that getSpecificPlayer() is used for that context?

getPlayer() seems to be client and server side, is that correct?

getPlayerByOnlineID is for Multiplayer, and I've used that in one of my mods to send client commands to specific players, if I recall.

I know functions can be similar but give different results, so mostly trying to pick everyone's brains about use cases.

Thanks for any insight you may have!

[bright fog]

getPlayer isn't server side

When you talk about client and server side stuff it's MP

It cannot be SP

Imo there's no point caching the player

Most relevant events give you the player when needed, and if they don't just run a getPlayer, or iterate from 0 to 3 and get players with getSpecificPlayer to run the code for every players if you want to add support for splitscreen

If you don't give a shit like most of us, then just go with getPlayer

And cache the player locally in your function when it runs do you don't retrieve the player with getPlayer everytime

But imo no need to bother caching getPlayer like OnGameStart or smthg like that

[rich reef]

Thanks, thats pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Refactored a bunch of my code, especially OnCreate from recipes, to just use the player from that, instead of re-getting the player constantly.

[thin swan]

Turns out it's ISSearchManager.ignoredItemTypes["Bicycle.Saddlebag"] = true to make that item not show a pin while in search mode

[bright fog]

Nice good to know

[muted garnet]

I tried adding my own tiles by taking vanilla sprites and putting them into a .pack. Could you please tell me how to make the sprite appear in high quality? And also, how can I make the sprite have collision on all sides?

[frank pike]

also been messing around with ehe's preset guide for custom chopper events. Made the no mercy chopper from l4d as a fly by

[karmic elk]

Does anyone know, if it's even feasible, to increase the distance and volume of all zombie footsteps in the game? I was just killed by a bloody sprinter that made no sound until it was 1 square away behind me. That's ridiculous.

Is this even possible?

[willow tulip]

Known bug, B42.12's audio is all over the place

Iv even seen car engines randomly mute

Super hard to reproduce too -_-

[karmic elk]

Yeah, I've had that too. But is it possible to address in a mod and make the volume and range something changable in Sandbox Settings?

[willow tulip]

No, its the game bugging out and not playing sounds it should.

[karmic elk]

Oh. :/

Thanks anyway.

[willow tulip]

there is a huge volume override mod with like volume settings for everything, but its seriously just the game not playing the sound at all at random

And its the kinda bug Im VERY glad im not getting paid to fix, lol

[karmic elk]

Unless you get paid by the hour! 😉

[willow tulip]

Because like.. screw trying to track down a bug with 1% reproduceability lol

[willow tulip]

Id rather get paid by the hair that falls out for a bug like that, get more money that way.

[karmic elk]

lol. Depends how much hair you have to start with! 😉

[willow tulip]

LOTS. somehow.

somehow because every time I brush it, theres like, a small cat worth of hair that comes out and im like... wtf?

[bright fog]

How lucky, he's got hair

[wicked glade]

Are you able to modify vanilla game items, such as a generator to change it's behavior? Or would I have to create my own generator item to craft & use?

[bright fog]

I don't even think you can create your own generator

Nor can you modify the vanilla one

[bronze yoke]

you can add new generators but you can't really change their behaviour

different generators can have different durability and noise radius but that's it

[wicked glade]

Oh gotcha, was looking to see if I could make a generator that powers the entire building - rather than the default 20 squares or however many it is.

[bright fog]

A mod just released doing that

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3597471949

By @knotty stone

[wicked glade]

Oh awesome

Thank you!

[broken briar]

I wonder if there'll be a modern day mod

or maybe uh late 2000s mod

that shifts the year from 1993 to 2009 maybe?

[topaz tangle]

bulshit ai

[bright fog]

The mod itself isn't bullshit, the preview is tho

But the reason I'm mentioning this mod is bcs I've seen Beathoven's work being shared around here, and his mod is legit

But I can only agree that the AI preview will hurt your mod @knotty stone

Bcs that's the reason most people have: AI preview = AI bullshit mod

It's also one of the reasons we tell modders not to use AI preview, bcs it can seriously hurt their mod popularity, very notably

[knotty stone]

well you want me to draw something like some 5year old, i cant draw shiaat 😄

[bright fog]

I can't draw shit either and yet I manage to make proper previews

Even an in-game image is good, you can ask @willow tulip, he was in your situation and yet now he makes mod previews that does make people want to click his mods

[bright fog]

https://steamcommunity.com/id/jvladeya/myworkshopfiles/?appid=108600&p=2

[knotty stone]

well i could just take a screen of the info window or smth

dont get all that ai bullying lol

[bright fog]

Nah people won't understand it

[topaz tangle]

ingame images, or simple image editing will look way better

[topaz tangle]

this IS true

beathoven makes cool stuff from what ive seen

[bright fog]

Tbf, it does make your mod look terribly worse than if you had a shitty screenshot, that's the thing
And it's not about "NOOOOO AIIIII BAAAAD", it's just a fact, people do not click AI mods as often, it's not hard to notice this behavior. Does it mean an AI preview can't make your mod work ? No of course not and I think where it works the "best" is with those sort of pixelated images, of like items, a room etc (just check the current mod list you'll easily find one or two)

AI preview also screams to people "AI mod", and we are literally the first ones that notice how AI is become very present in modding, as we get constantly new modders coming here for help but their entire stuff is AI so it's just impossible to help them since everything they made is bad

[bronze yoke]

it has a more subtle affect on how most people view your mod: AI doesn't take any effort, if the first thing they see is AI they're probably going to think your mod is low effort and be much more likely to skip it

[bright fog]

That

[topaz tangle]

ai also like IS one of the things that are demolishing our society right now
it takes away the humanity of stuff, and its LITERALLY ruining lives
(also again: at least one person has DIED because of ai datacenters)

[bronze yoke]

i already knew about your mod from you posting it here, but i can tell you with confidence that if all i saw was that image on the workshop, i would not check out your mod

[knotty stone]

yea humanity and its prejudice

xD

but i get it, will take a look to make it different

[bright fog]

You could simply take a screenshot of your character with a thumbs up, in front of a generator, that is stuck to a building, with a written text of your mod's name

And it would be so much better and in fact I would argue it conveys better what your mod is about

• character thumbs up: good stuff
• generator next to a building alongside the name: we clearly understand what it is about

In your AI preview it's not the case, you just have a building with a generator, that's not on scale too, with zombies around, it doesn't convey the same thoughts

[willow tulip]

Generator, barrel, MS paint a pipe between the two, im already downloading it.

[bright fog]

Most likely, but they are probably server specific

It's definitely doable however

[muted garnet]

I tried adding my own tiles by taking vanilla sprites and putting them into a .pack. Could you please tell me how to make the sprite appear in high quality? And also, how can I make the sprite have collision on all sides?

[wicked glade]

Attempting to make a B41 mod with a custom item. I'm able to get it to spawn - however when I dismantle it, I get an error. Any ideas? Not too familiar with Zomboid modding yet.

    at zombie.inventory.RecipeManager.PerformMakeItem(RecipeManager.java:1191)```
`MOD/media/scripts/Recipes_DismantleElectricityBooster.txt`:
```module Base
{    
    recipe Dismantle Electricity Booster
    {
        ElectricityBooster,
        keep [Recipe.GetItemTypes.Screwdriver],
        destroy ElectricityBooster,
        Result:ElectronicsScrap=2,
        Time:20.0,
        Category:Electrical,
        AnimNode:Disassemble,
        Prop1:Screwdriver,
    }

    recipe Dismantle Used Electricity Booster
    {
        ElectricityBoosterUsed,
        keep [Recipe.GetItemTypes.Screwdriver],
        destroy ElectricityBoosterUsed,
        Result:ElectronicsScrap,
        Time:20.0,
        Category:Electrical,
        AnimNode:Disassemble,
        Prop1:Screwdriver,
    }
}```
`MOD/media/scripts/Items_ElectricityBooster.txt`:
```module Base
{
    item ElectricityBooster
    {
        DisplayName = Electricity Booster,
        Type = Normal,
        Icon = RemoteCrafted,
        Weight = 0.2,
        ReplaceOnDeplete = ElectricityBoosterUsed,
        UseDelta = 1.0,
    }

    item ElectricityBoosterUsed
    {
        DisplayName = Used Electricity Booster,
        Type = Normal,
        Icon = RemoteCrafted,
        Weight = 0.2,
    }
}```

[thin swan]

You need to use the correct tile definitions, just look at the vanilla tile definition using tilezed and copy the settings from a wall or fence to your custom tile

[muted garnet]

no, it still sucks

I copied the same sprite def

[thin swan]

It's been a while since I did tile stuff, maybe ask in the mapping discord instead https://discord.com/invite/CFuNM8rtCp

[muted garnet]

thanks, I'll try it

[noble summit]

do i understand it correctly that the HeadConditionLowerChanceMultiplier in item code means the multiplier for standard durability reduction chance, and that all weapons burn more durability on tool heads than handles?

[noble summit]

also, can someone tell me what does the Sharpness line in weapons do specifically? all weapons that have it are set at Sharpness = 1.0, so i am kind of confused

[thin swan]

I don't think that's a rule no. From what I can tell it basically takes the HeadConditionLowerChanceMultiplier and multiplies by 1 before feeding it to the random roll that determines if it should lower the condition.
So if you set HeadConditionLowerChanceMultiplier to something less than 1 it should drain slower, greater than 1 and it drains faster

But I haven't tested it, just basing it on the java

[noble summit]

i figured as much, but judging from the weapon stats code all weapons but the glass tipped spear have HeadConditionLowerChanceMultiplier at 1.0 or above, meaning their tool heads are supposed to degrade faster than handles
which is weird since handles generally break faster during actual gameplay, and logic-wise all tools aside from brittle glass spear should have more durable tool handles
could it be that HeadConditionLowerChanceMultiplier is inverted and higher values decrease degrade chance instead?

[muted garnet]

As far as I know, sharpness affects a weapon’s damage as well as its chance to low the condition. While the weapon’s sharpness is greater than 0, whenever a break chance occurs, only the sharpness is reduced, not the weapon’s actual condition. When sharpness == 0, then with every hit, the weapon’s durability is consumed regardless of the break chance.

[noble summit]

are you sure that sharpness prevents the condition loss? i am mostly sure that a hatchet ive been using was losing both handle and tool head durability, although the latter was much slower

[thin swan]

As far as I can tell Мепсель is correct, the sharpness basically acts as a buffer and stops condition from being lowered until it reaches 0. It also affects damage done and crit chance as sharpness drops

But sometimes things don't work the way it looks like they should from just reading the code lol

There's so many factors at play that there could be something I missed

[noble summit]

also, do i understand correctly that the sharpness has the same amount of "durability" as the tool head durability?

[willow tulip]

yes, Iv poked through the code and the two are linked (though not nessecarly 1:1, there is some difference between the reduce durability chance and the reduce sharpness chance, IIRC)

[wicked glade]

Could someone please give me an example of their recipe (B41) for dismantling a custom item? I can't seem to get it to work properly.

[drifting ore]

Anyone know of a way or reference mods where an existing perk is edited?

Will PerkFactory.AddPerk override an existing perk?
For ex. I want the exp needed to level 10 for Farming increased

[cursive veldt]

They should add a drone mod for aerial back up

[drifting ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-we-are-they-we-are-they-king-of-the-hill-dale-king-of-the-hill-we-are-they-we-are-them-gif-7359813830756619677

[cold skiff]

Hi everyone, I need a little help. Since version 42.12, it seems the weapon repair system has changed. I used to be able to repair katanas in my mod with codes like this:
fixing Fix LegendaryKatana
{
Require = LegendaryKatana,
GlobalItem = BlowTorch=5,
ConditionModifier = 1.5,

    Fixer = SheetMetal=1; MetalWelding=8; Maintenance=4,
    Fixer = ScrapMetal=3; MetalWelding=8; Maintenance=4,
}

But this doesn't seem to work anymore. Can someone tell me how to do it now?

[knotty stone]

maybe you need to declare the module on the items

    {
        Require = Base.LegendaryKatana,
        GlobalItem = Base.BlowTorch=5,
        ConditionModifier = 1.5,

        Fixer = Base.SheetMetal=1; MetalWelding=8; Maintenance=4,
        Fixer = Base.ScrapMetal=3; MetalWelding=8; Maintenance=4,
    }```

[cold skiff]

I've tried using a separate module called lk_fixing.txt and within the recipes module, but I think you can no longer repair by right-clicking on the object; you have to do it through the crafting console -> repair.

[knotty stone]

the repair system was kinda standardized, you can use tags in your items now to use the standard fix recipes, maybe you can use that

[knotty stone]

something like that i guess ``` item LegendaryKatana
{
tags = RepairKatanaSheet;RepairKatanaScrap,
}

craftRecipe RepairKatanaSheet
{
    time = 180,
    AllowBatchCraft = false,
    Tags = InHandCraft,
    category = Repair,
    timedAction = CraftWeapon1H,
    SkillRequired = Maintenance:3;MetalWelding:8,
    xpAward = Maintenance:15,
    OnCreate = CraftRecipeCode.GenericFixing.OnCreate,
    Tooltip = Tooltip_Recipe_CanFailAndDamage,
    inputs
    {
        item 1 tags[RepairKatanaSheet] mode:keep flags[Prop2;IsDamaged],
        item 5 [Base.BlowTorch] flags[Prop1],
        item 1 [Base.SheetMetal]
    }
    outputs
    {
    }
}

    craftRecipe RepairKatanaScrap
{
    time = 180,
    AllowBatchCraft = false,
    Tags = InHandCraft,
    category = Repair,
    timedAction = CraftWeapon1H,
    SkillRequired = Maintenance:3;MetalWelding:8,
    xpAward = Maintenance:5,
    OnCreate = CraftRecipeCode.GenericFixing.OnCreate,
    Tooltip = Tooltip_Recipe_CanFailAndDamage,
    inputs
    {
        item 1 tags[RepairKatanaScrap] mode:keep flags[Prop2;IsDamaged],
        item 5 [Base.BlowTorch] flags[Prop1],
        item 3 [Base.ScrapMetal]
    }
    outputs
    {
    }
}``` but i think you would have to check the on create function for the condition modifier dont think that will work in a craft recipe.

[drifting ore]

The only fixing recipes I can find are for firearms. I would probably just make a normal craft recipe to repair melee weapons, like vanilla does

[cold skiff]

Thank you so much, I'm going to try it this way

[cold skiff]

This solution doesn't work for me, or I've implemented it incorrectly, because it crashes when loading the mod.

[knotty stone]

i just saw that i had an error and corrected it

item 1 tags[RepairKatanaScrap] mode:keep

you have to change the tags there to match them from the item

[cold skiff]

try again, thx a lot

[cold skiff]

Thank you so much for your help, it's working as it should now. I just added a small correction to your code because otherwise it wasn't using up the materials and allowed repairs without having them.
item 1 [Base.SheetMetal] mode:destroy,
item 3 [Base.ScrapMetal] mode:destroy,

[cold skiff]

Taking advantage of your kindness, one more thing: how can I change the icon that appears in the repair recipe? It shows one of the katanas, and I'd like something more generic.

[tranquil kindle]

As far as I know recipes show icon of first/default result item

[cold skiff]

i think gets the first item with tag=repairkatanascrap... in items.txt

[knotty stone]

https://tenor.com/view/who-knows-shrug-what-shades-on-idk-gif-15962763

[cold skiff]

😆

[cold skiff]

Amazing 😉

[summer jolt]

Hiya.

Is there some sort of project zomboid clothing mod implementation guide? From having a blender Model into converting it into code and as a steam mod?

[drifting ore]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3444877391

[mellow frigate]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025955520

[ancient grail]

what loads first?
OnGameStart
OnCreatePlayer

i assume gamestart

[topaz tangle]

On game start I believe

[bright fog]

Just test it with a print

[night summit]

trying to get the decompiler working and feel like i'm pulling teeth

anyone had this issue? i can't find anything useful on it and none of the fixes seem to work

i've tried installing different versions of java, clean installing them, etc

not very familiar with java

okay somehow i got it working and i have no clue how

fuck you java

oracle is a bitchass company

satanic black magic shit

[shrewd patrol]

Hello, I have a problem, so I'm asking for your help.
The problem is that when you finish the drink, the item has to change to an empty bottle and an empty can
It remains the same. ReplaceOnUse = does not work.

module Base
{
item LetsBeCan
{
DisplayName = Let's Be Can,
DisplayCategory = Food,
Type = Normal,
Weight = 0.1,
CustomContextMenu = Drink,
Icon = LetsBeCan,
Packaged = TRUE,
StaticModel = BeerCan,
WorldStaticModel = BeerCan_Ground,
ReplaceOnUse = Base.LetsBeCanEmpty,
Drainable = TRUE,
component FluidContainer
{
ContainerName = LetsBeCanEmpty,
Capacity = 0.3,
CustomDrinkSound = DrinkingFromCan,
Fluids
{
fluid = LetsBe:0.3,
}
}
}
item LetsBeCanEmpty
{
DisplayName = Let's Be Can (Empty),
DisplayCategory = Trash,
Type = Normal,
Weight = 0,
Icon = LetsBeCanEmpty,
CanStoreWater = FALSE,
StaticModel = BeerCanEmpty,
WorldStaticModel = BeerCanEmpty_Ground,
component FluidContainer
        {
            ContainerName = LetsBeCanEmpty, 
            Capacity = 0.3,
        }
}

[drifting ore]

If you are using the base module you don’t need to/shouldn’t define Base before each item

I’m not sure if that will fix your problem or not though

[shrewd patrol]

okay thank you, i try it

Unfortunately, it is still unresolved. T^T

[knotty stone]

i dont rly get what you want to achieve you said "change to an empty bottle and an empty can" so you want 2 items back?

if you have a fluid container you dont need an empty item, only for spawn purposes if you rly want.

[shrewd patrol]

What I want is that when I finish the drink, the item is converted to the empty cans and empty bottles that I defined.
I want to utilize this in the recipe.
If the item code becomes the same, for example, cans with drinks and empty cans are treated as the same item, increasing only the number.
When I put it in the item slot window, the user is confused.

I want it.
First drink item code: LetsBeCan
After drink item code: LetbeCanEmpty

But now, the item code is the same.

[knotty stone]

i cant really read your can item in the screen but it should have the empty prefix already, if you look at the vanilla recipe for break glass you cant use a bottle with fluid remaining. maybe try working with that. else you would have to create your own drink timed action to replace the bottle/can

[shrewd patrol]

Thank you for your help.

[knotty stone]

Me, genius
https://imgur.com/a/f5Qk2X1

🤪

[thin swan]

It's still weird to me that they have a dedicated key that's only used for swapping between the options in the pick-up menu (tab), but that same button is not used to enter the menu.
I had to make a mod just so tab makes you enter pick up mode. If you want to save yourself some mouse movements: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3490233499

[frank elbow]

Might cause some issues when MP comes around since tab is also used for switching chat streams (which is only applicable to admin chat vs. regular chat in vanilla)

By issues I just mean multiple things happening on key press to be clear, not a huge deal

[thin swan]

Oh, good call, I haven't played much multiplayer. I could add an option so it's long press to enter pick up mode. I currently have long press to exit so would be easy to add

[thin swan]

@knotty stone I see you have a heating feature in your generator powered building mod, would you mind just giving me a quick rundown on how you implemented it? I'm not at my computer right now so can't download and check. I want to see if it's likely to be compatible with my realistic temperature mod which adds heat transfer for buildings.

[knotty stone]

iam just checking room tiles and place one heatsource in the middle(roomsize<50 tiles), needs some special case handling like U and L shape.

[thin swan]

Ah okay sweet, then it should be compatible with my mod 👍 it takes any active heat sources into account when calculating the simulated values

[bright fog]

👀

That just gave me an idea

I've been meaning to do my own take on the push furniture mods, and I could add a new button to that menu

[bronze yoke]

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[dreamy birch]

wow, slipped through our new bot

thanks

[finite dune]

Can you tell me what the message was?

[bronze yoke]

it was the usual four images only financial scam thing, i didn't look closely at it

[finite dune]

hmmm... 4 images with nothing else should have gotten swatted by the bot

was definitely 4 images though?

yeah mine got swatted

[bronze yoke]

i only looked at it briefly so it might have been fewer images or something, it didn't look like the exact images i'm used to seeing

[finite dune]

okay... they might be changing up... sigh

[sour island]

Are these new accounts mostly or compromised older accounts?

Could make recruits unable to post images - it would just be links then.

[finite dune]

It's compromised accounts. I wrote a bot to deal with them and it gets 95+%, but one apparently got through.

[willow tulip]

Nice work! I was hoping someone would.

[willow tulip]

Mmm, weather/offroading affecting vehicle traction feels quite nice

I have no idea why TIS disabled per-wheel friction -_-;

[shy mantle]

The B43 car update is gonna go crazy

Not to overhype it too much, but vehicles are lame in vanilla rn lol

[willow tulip]

Sure, but till then you can try https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3559765660 :0

[shy mantle]

I know I know

But when multiplayer comes around I'll be double disappointed without the mod lol

[willow tulip]

Iv heard tell from unofficial MP players that it works fine in MP 😛

[shy mantle]

How does that work for servers?

[willow tulip]

My new dynamic friction stuff will be a little borked, but id hope that TIS would see it in their infinite wisdom to let me do that per-vehicle instead of per-vehicle-type.

[willow tulip]

None of it runs on the server, its all client side anyway.

[shy mantle]

Wouldn't every person on the server need to manually install it?

[willow tulip]

In theory to maintain a fair and balanced game? yes

In practice? id have to add code to enforce you install it or have it fallback to vanilla behavior if its not enabled on the server.

[shy mantle]

I just don't think a lot of servers would want to do that

I dunno, maybe there will be

[willow tulip]

Then they can enjoy towing cars at 15mph, with GTA2 level vehicle physics.

[shy mantle]

Yep, and that sucks, I will GLADLY bring up your mod every time a sever is thinking about adding mods

[willow tulip]

Thanks.

I mean ideally TIS would just adopt all my changes (and revert back some of the things they hardcoded for MP testing that directly breaks freatures in Project Summer car)

[shy mantle]

2029

[willow tulip]

Yeaaa

Tis why I didn't bother waiting after reporting said bugs...

Only to find out one of them was actually just purposefully hardcoded and commented on in the java code...

[shy mantle]

The only "bug fix" I did in mine was removing a singlular line in lua that tbh I don't even know what it does, it just broke transfering items into other car seats from the outside to enter automatically.

gah the phrasing

[willow tulip]

Like if I wanna sit on a seat?

[shy mantle]

Yeah

[willow tulip]

.... WHY WAS THAT NOT VANILLA

pain

does it do a cool timed action and everything for the transfers?

[shy mantle]

It was at some point, I remembered it, looked into it, bam

[shy mantle]

It just works and all

[willow tulip]

Like that sounds like a feature id want, having been blocked before

[shy mantle]

I dunno what you mean by cool though lol

[willow tulip]

I bet they disabled it because of people reporting getting locked out of seats (apparently due to the limit not counting fluids in containers?)

[shy mantle]

That could be it

[willow tulip]

(that fluids part only recently found out in B42.13)

they maybe thought it was stuff getting moved around causing it

or people not realizing stuff auto-moves as needed

[shy mantle]

I honestly did not test the side affects of removing that line, all I know is that nothing bad happened immediately and no one has commented on it after nearly 6 months now

[willow tulip]

lol

[shy mantle]

problem solved

[willow tulip]

lol

I also kinda wanna rebalance all the vehicles to real world stats now

but I don't feel like looking up said stats of every vanilla vehicle since I have no clue what most of them even are, not being that big of a car guy..

Some of the vehicles should feel.. totally different lol.

Like apparently step vans are really 3000kg+, not 1300 or whatever they are ingame..

And yea, Not every 1993 car had a 400hp+ engine lol

But the 400hp thing is a matter of scaling HP to ingame impulses (ie, retain the existing forces, but have the UI show like 100hp for a typical car) while the HEAVY ass cars get 200~400hp engines

and maybe a few of th muscle cars get like, 200hp engines