mod_development

[queen oasis]

that sounds... fun :/ hopefully they realize the errors of that way

[silent zealot]

It works really well, but I need to dedicate some time to figure out the last bug where moving a worn container to a different body slot dupes the item by dropping it and keeping it in inventory.

Lots of odd quirks found along the way - for example there's a bit of code that makes things faster if you're putting stuff into an equipped backpack that isn't full, but once it goes over 100% capacity it makes things slower. A lot slower.

And I need to publish the "remove backpack speed reduction" mod first... turns out that clothing with run speed modifier displayed does nothing, but worn containers apply their hidden run speed modifiers and these are made worse based on how full they are.

[simple helm]

is -debug mode suppose to take forever ? my game just sits at a black screen

[queen oasis]

that makes sense. and I see setCapacity is borked in the java too

[silent zealot]

No, it should not take forever. You can watch console.txt to see what is happening.

[vocal vector]

some errors will stop the menu from loading in debug

[simple helm]

not sure how there errors when all mods are disabled

nvm it was my mod that was on

when i activate my mod the games breaks ( black screen )

[silent zealot]

any errors in console.txt?

[simple helm]

a few different things, my mod doesnt have an mod ID. but there the 2 other mods that activate with it, autosar,tsar

[silent zealot]

Annoyingly a lot of errors you get are normal

Even on a vanilla-only game.

post the whole console.txt (discord allows files to be uploaded)

[simple helm]

i am watching a video and this guy said delete everything in user zomboid and let the console refresh

to see the actual errors

[queen oasis]

maybe user/Zomboid/Logs ?? deleting everything in Zomboid seems a bit extreme

[simple helm]

nope he saids delete the entire zomboid folder after backing it up, then copy the mods folder back into the zomboid

[silent zealot]

That sounds more like advice for a problem that is not known to be caused by one mod.

If you know which mod is the issue (i.e.: your mod in this case) then you can just disable that to make the game work.

There are issues that can cause crashes that persist even with no mods in a new game, and for that cleaning out the zomboid directory can help.

[simple helm]

i do get errors loading up normally

and my mod is activated so does that mean it my mod

[silent zealot]

That;s why I said give us the whole console.txt and we may be able to help pick out what matters.

[simple helm]

^^^ uploaded figured it be my mod if anything

[queen oasis]

Exception thrown java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: java.io.IOException: Not a valid PNG file at FutureTask.report

preview.png

idk if that would keep it from loading though

[simple helm]

my mod preview doesnt load i will say

oh i see why

[queen oasis]

hmm, I bet it would. When I was trying to figure out the new folder structure, it wouldn't load my game if things weren't perfect

[simple helm]

i have poster=preview.png

[silent zealot]

Fix up C:\Users<username>\Zomboid\mods\Car Carrier\preview.png and see if that helps - if nothing else, it will clear that error

Like I mentioned, the parsers in this game sometimes give up when one thing does not work.

[simple helm]

sounds like gtav in a way, if one code is off the vehicle wont load

-debug mode still wont load tho and my poster didnt fix shm

[silent zealot]

I once put a comma in the wrong spot and deleted every piece of of clothing in the game as well as turned every vehicle into a random burnt out wreck.

[queen oasis]

so here's my issue. I left zupercart enabled, enabled the mod I'm working on, and the menu is borked when I right-click on a cart. It only shows my mod's menu. zupercart uses tsar library and nothing looks weird but maybe I'm missing something

[simple helm]

it 1000% my mod tho just removed it and it launched

[queen oasis]

from zupercart:

local old_option_update = context:getOptionFromName(getText("ContextMenu_Grab"))
  if old_option_update then
    context:updateOptionTsar(old_option_update.id, getText("ContextMenu_GrabTrolley"), playerObj, ISWorldObjectContextMenu.equipTrolley, worldObject)
    return
  end

my menu is built like:

local mainMenu = context:addOptionOnTop("Easy Mode", worldObjects, nil)
local subMenu = ISContextMenu:getNew(context)
...
local farmingMenu = subMenu:addOption("Farming", worldObjects, nil)
local farmingSubMenu = ISContextMenu:getNew(subMenu)
farmingSubMenu:addOption(...)
...
local subOption = ISContextMenu:getNew(subMenu)
subOption = subMenu:addOption(...)
context:addSubMenu(mainMenu, subMenu)
subMenu:addSubMenu(subMenu, subOption)
return

is there anything obvious I can't find that would break the world context menu?

also, if I comment out the zupercarts context:updateOptionTsar, everything works fine

[silent zealot]

It's like you're overwriting or clearing the context menu object that was passed to your function.

What's in updateOptionTsar?

Looks like it is mean tto repale an option in the context menu, but just breaks it instead.

[queen oasis]

function ISContextMenu:updateOptionTsar(id, name, target, onSelect, param1, param2, param3, param4, param5, param6, param7, param8, param9, param10)
  local option = self:allocOption(name, target, onSelect, param1, param2, param3, param4, param5, param6, param7, param8, param9, param10);
  self.options[id] = option;
  return option;
end

[silent zealot]

try this instead:

context:removeOptionByName(getText("ContextMenu_Grab"))
Context:addOption(getText("ContextMenu_GrabTrolley")), playerObj, ISWorldObjectContextMenu.equipTrolley, worldObject)

[queen oasis]

yea I was going to fix that up tomorrow when it wasn't getting late to remove the tsar dependency. I was more worried I did something wrong in my mod

[silent zealot]

that will put your conext menu entry at the bottom instead of where you removed the entry, but you can adjust that later

[queen oasis]

the vanilla grab works fine with it I think, from what I can tell. Not sure why they used tsar's

with updateOptionTsar commented out

[silent zealot]

May be as simple as wanting to change "Grab" to "Grab Cart"

Or they want to call "equiptrolley" not "put in your inventory"

[queen oasis]

true dat. everyone does things differently

[silent zealot]

I'd guess "equiptrolley" puts the trolley in your primary hand, instead of inventory. Been a long time since I used the tolley mod.

I have fond memories of looting a bunker with a shopping trolley though. 😂

[queen oasis]

ha yea I've been jonesing for it. been kind of waiting for it on 42

[silent zealot]

RV Interiors is the mod I really want for B42, but they are waiting for B42 to be stable so... 2026 I guess.

[drifting ore]

That's an optimistic estimate

[silent zealot]

Build 40 only took 5 months to be stable...

3 months for Build 39!

3 years two months for Build 41 😂

Sadly, I expect B42 to be closer to B41 in timeframes... they are working on multiple major systems all at once, plus redoing the structure of multiplayer somewhat to if I understand some of the lua changes correctly

[ivory gyro]

require 'Items/SuburbsDistributions'

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_1");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.1);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_2");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.05);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_3");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.01);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_4");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 0.001);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_1");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, 0.1);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_2");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, 0.05);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_3");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, 0.01);

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_4");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventoryfemale"].items, 0.001); 

Hey, someone know how to spawn items on zombies ? This is the right way or no ?

I killed like 100 zombies, and didn't find one of theses items

[silent zealot]

I can't say for sure that is the rigth way, but... set those probabilitis to something like 10000

Or it's hard to tell if you're just unlucky

[ivory gyro]

table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, "Base.ration_fedra_1");
table.insert(SuburbsDistributions["all"]["inventorymale"].items, 1);

Maybe trying these %

Ok working, i tried like 100

[ancient grail]

i think theres another way that actually lets you pick the outfit
but i dont remember

tho it seems like you want it for all zeds

[vocal vector]

what do I have to do to make this variable persist between saves?

eg

medicalDebt = 0

instead of

local medicalDebt = 0

[silent zealot]

local is about scope - that controls where you can use that name to access the variable.

If you want to save some data, modData is the best option.

It's a lua table that gets saved/loaded between games, and you can also attach mod data to items/vehicles/animals/etc

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/ModData

So you could attach medical debt to to a Character object, or make a table of players and debt and save it in the "global" ModData

[vocal vector]

the scope is just single player

[silent zealot]

do you want to track the variable per-character?

[vocal vector]

yes

so i guess i need an array with the player name and the amount?

WastedModData.medicalDebt = {name, medicalDebt}

[silent zealot]

player name is not character name!

local modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
local modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {}

That gets the modData under "WastedModData" and if there is not already a modData.characterDebt table, it will make an empty one

Any data you put in there will get saved - at least strings/numbers/booleans/tables will, not more complicated objects.

[vocal vector]

then i can use the character name as the key and the debt as the value

[silent zealot]

exactly!

If it was for multiplayer, you could use also track the playerID (I can't remember the correct property to get for this, but there is one)

[vocal vector]

that's really helpful, thank you 🙂

[silent zealot]

I'm curious what the mod is that tracks medical debt... I'd have hoped that all vanished with the apocalypse. 😂

[vocal vector]

that's one upside of the collapse of civilisation!

it's for week one

[red rapids]

hello

my game keeps crashing and i got no idea why

here its the console txt

[silent zealot]

#mod_support if you need help with mod issues.

[vocal vector]

so i'm having a problem unfortunately

local modData

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(function()
    modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
end)
modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {}

local charName = getPlayer():getUserName()
if modData.characterDebt[charName] = nil then
    print ("register new patient account " .. charName)
    table.insert (modData.characterDebt, {charName, 0})
end

is what i have, but i end up with an error on this line:
modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {}

unexpected symbol near .

[silent zealot]

I'm not sure how you are trying to divide things up here

When the lua file is loaded you create the variable modData with scope fo "this file" then you immediatley go to modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {} but at this point moddata has not actually loaded anything

[vocal vector]

shouldn't it just create an empty table?

[silent zealot]

What is modData when that line is executed?

local modData
modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {}

that's what will happen because you've put modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData") in a function that won't execute until an event triggers, but your other code is running when the file loads.

[vocal vector]

shouldn't the function execute when the game loads?

[silent zealot]

This will probably also fail: local charName = getPlayer():getUserName() becasue you'e runing it when the file loads, not after a game is created/a player enters.

[silent zealot]

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(function()
modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
end)

will run when the OnInitGlobalModData event happens

or rather, Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add runs on file load and then that will make the function run when the event triggers.

[vocal vector]

local modData.characterDebt = modData.characterDebt or {}

local charName = getPlayer():getUserName()
if modData.characterDebt[charName] = nil then
    print ("register new patient account " .. charName)
    table.insert (modData.characterDebt, {charName, 0})
end```
is also giving the same error

[silent zealot]

don't use local modData.characterDebt - you're not making a new variable there, you're using the exsiting modData variables.

What you probably want is 1) create your local variable with the scope of the file (which you have done)
2) write a function to intilise that
3) call that function using the OnCreatePlayer event, which is when a player enters the game

(there are many other ways you can do this too)

[vocal vector]

now this solved the first error and i got right into the second error which is the one you predicted with getusername

[silent zealot]

How does getPlayer() work when it run before there is a player?

[vocal vector]

with attempted index: getUserName of non-table: null

[silent zealot]

That's why you have a function that is triggered off OnCreatePlayer

[silent zealot]

yup - getPlayer() will return nil, then nil:getUserName() is trying to treat nil as if it was a table.

[vocal vector]

can i run all of this conditionally after the game has loaded?

[silent zealot]

yes, give me a momemnt...

[vocal vector]

there's a variable that tracks if there is a healthcare system or not, if not then loading all of this is a waste

[silent zealot]

local WastedMod = {}

WastedMod.Debugmode = true -- you can put any other settings you like in the WastedMod table



local DebugSay(message)
    if WastedMod.Debugmode == true then
        print("Wasted Mod: " .. message)
    end
end





local function WastedModInitData()
    DebugSay("WastedModInitData")
    WastedMod.modData=ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
    WastedMod.modData.characterDebt = WastedMod.modData.characterDebt or {} --create an empty table if this does not exist
end

Events.OnInitGlobalModData.Add(WastedModInitData)



local function WastedModPlayerEntersGame(playerNum, player)
    local charName = player:getUserName()
    if charName == nil then DebugSay("Unable to get character name");return; end
    if WastedMod.modData.characterDebt == nil then
        DebugSay("register new patient account: " .. charName)
        table.insert (WastedMod.modData.characterDebt, {charName, 0})
    end
end

Events.OnCreatePlayer.Add(WastedModPlayerEntersGame)

That puts the initilisation into two places: OnInitGlobalModData (which is when ModData becomes available) and OnCreatePlayer (when a player loads into the world)

With a little fucntion to easily print debugging messages you can turn off just by changing WastedMod.Debugmode to false.

[vocal vector]

wow, that's really useful, thank you!

this is probably a silly question, but where do the playerNum, player properties come from in the oncreateplayer function? does the event include them?

[silent zealot]

yes, a lot of events include a few parameters.

B42: https://github.com/demiurgeQuantified/PZEventDoc/blob/develop/docs/Events.md

In general an event about a player will include a player object, an event about a vehicle will include a vehicle object, etc. That way your function can easily tell who/what triggered the event.

[vast pier]

Grrrr I don't wanna make models for these

(the ones that have items attached already have models)

[silent zealot]

make a generic box model

[vast pier]

Yeah but I don't wanna ship the mod like that

[silent zealot]

Or do you mean for when they are used, not for when they are on the ground?

[vast pier]

it's like, the last thing the mod needs before being considered complete

[vast pier]

Well I mean, both? they might show up in crafting animations

[silent zealot]

I've seen modders do things like using a tote bag model for clothes on the floor. Gotta admire that sort of shortcut.

Yeah, harder to get away with if you want the player to actually hold the item.

[vast pier]

I'll just end up taking some vanilla guns and take apart the models for it, but still

I'll have to do that later, don't wanna rn

The framework is basically complete now tho.

[silent zealot]

I know that feeling.

[vast pier]

Well I'm waiting on permission to the use other models actually, so if I don't get permission for those then I'll have to make ones for those too

currently it's just using the part pieces I made from taking apart the pistols from the mod "Ramshackle Recipes"

The creator of ramshackle seems interested in my work, so I don't think they'll say no to letting me use the models. But still, good to wait for verified permission instead of assume

[polar solstice]

how do i make a true music custom mod for 42

[silent zealot]

Does the True Music mod page have instructions/a link to a template/etc?

[ancient grail]

anyone knows if removing an unknown event is possible if we assigned it like this

local evnt = Events.OnPlayerUpdate.Add() 

reason for me asking this is cuz what if i need a dynamic event that can be other event and not just OnPlayerUpdate

[silent zealot]

You mean same function attached to multiple events?

wouldn't you use Events.OnPlayerUpdate.Remove(myFunction) and Events.OnSomeOtherThing.Remove(myFunction)?

Oh you mean you never gave it a function name! Solution: give it a function name and attach that to to event.

[grizzled fulcrum]

yes

[grizzled fulcrum]

idk you can try it and see if it works or not, but I am not sure

Add() seems to be a constructor for Event, so maybe it will return Event?

[storm trench]

Thank youuu. 💚

[storm trench]

I wanted to eventually move on from the dependency as I'm not sure why it was used in the first place.

[ancient grail]

yep will try later

[storm trench]

I swear 😭

All I did was take the original and replace your updates and the anim is still broken. Everything else is exactly as it was from the published version of the mod.

[silent zealot]

looks like a dropped supermarket trolley to me.

[storm trench]

Yeah it's just equipped like that. This was the issue I had all the time. Everytime I changed something, this happened.

[silent zealot]

You got rid of the secret hidden magic code.

I hate secret hidden magic code.

[storm trench]

Sighhh. Now I'm sucked back into working on this again... Double sighhh. Seriously tho, I wonder why it was good for him but not for me.

Also 1,200 lines of this a pop is a little annoying.

LOG : General f:0, t:1740919769943> ERROR: mods isn't a valid workshop item ID

🤣

Yea I give up, eff this mod and its animations. lol. Just ridiculous.

[tacit pebble]

A simple question:
If I add two items in same distribution, that gives chance to player getting two items at once?

[slim swan]

built a new inventorypane

[brave bone]

so pretty ❤️

[ancient grail]

2nd will just overwrite the first one

[tacit pebble]

eh really? than what is the point of that because it's from vanilla. is that mistake of devs?

😬

[storm trench]

I LOVE it.

Text on the right could use a little bevel/background/outline tho.

Or just a new color

[slim swan]

you mean the type text?

[storm trench]

Yea, kinda hard to read. At least for me.

[vague marsh]

neat. fits well with your other mod

[vague marsh]

a bit brighter

[crystal sigil]

anyone a idea to parse a skill name like Mechanics as variable through the function?
skillname = "Mechanics"
local Skill = player:getPerkLevel(Perks.skillname)

looks like lua didnt understand that skillname is a var

[nova dome]

Can I access ModData somehow before the world is loaded? Specifically in the screen where you create your character

[umbral raptor]

The Support Goods mod has many frameworks that can be created or depended on to create your own mods or sub-mods or expansions.

Frameworks and what you could do mod yourself and upload seperately:-
MyCamo (Make your own camo pattern and clothing set, has all you need to do that.)
MyRoom (Add your own posters and photos to the game or multiplayer servers)
Computers (Add your own games, features, and such. For example, adding a new hardware that allows listening to cassettes from True Music on Support Goods laptops.)
Transfer Printing (Add new companies or designs)
Alcohol Brewing (Adding new variants of alcohol)
Etc

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/discussion/3434464110/595142333640541605/

If anyone wants to use or depend on Support Goods and any of its frame work. I made some things that make modding easier. For example, MyCamo has all you need to make your own camo clothes pattern, MyRoom has posters and framed photos that can be easily retextured if you ever wanted to make framed photos, or posters, etc. 🙂

[frank elbow]

-- adding
local targetEvent = condition and Events.OnPlayerUpdate or Events.Other -- or however else the dynamic event is determined
targetEvent.Add(callback)

-- removing (assuming targetEvent is saved somewhere)
targetEvent.Remove(callback)

Add & Remove don't return anything; this is the pattern you'd have to use

[distant inlet]

so this has been a trip - only check1, check3, check4 return true where the others are nil. In my mind these are all equivalent. Could this happen because I'm invoking java functionality from lua? canReachTo is java:

local check1 = playerSq:canReachTo(nonFloorContainerSq) ~= "false"
local check2 = playerSq:canReachTo(nonFloorContainerSq) == "true"
local check3 = playerSq:canReachTo(nonFloorContainerSq) ~= false
local check4 = playerSq:canReachTo(nonFloorContainerSq) == true
local check5 = not not (playerSq:canReachTo(nonFloorContainerSq))

(sorry, check1 and 2 are obviously not equiavalent to the rest)

tl;dr: it's a good idea to do explicit true/false checks against java methods that return bool when calling from lua

[bright fog]

Wtf are you doing

[bright fog]

Wdym explicit

Seriously I do understand wtf you're doing

You've fighting with checks since fucking yesterday or so, and there's seriously nothing magical

canReachTo returns either true or false

Check1 is true bcs it's not a string
Check2 is false bcs it's not a string
Check3 is true if canReachTo is not false and false if it's false
Check4 is true if canReachTo is true

Check5 is a bit weird but my guess is the order of check makes it fuck up. Not not bool is probably completely breaking because of the order of the check. This is notably the case with no val1 == val2, it will check val1 is falsy then do == val2

You'd have to do
not (not canReachTo)

I think

Anyway there's no point even doing that last one, never do that

[ancient grail]

i see thanks Omar
shared this here
#1070852229654917180 message

[frank elbow]

The purpose of not not is typically making sure it's a boolean (i.e., converting to a boolean)—agreed that it isn't necessary here, but it's valid

[frank elbow]

All of these should be booleans, as stated above. Are you reassigning them anywhere before checking if they're nil? How are you checking that they're nil?

[merry patio]

Hello everyone! I want to tilt a hat, does anyone know how I can do it? Is it done through XML files? this question belongs here or in the modeling section? I wasn't sure

[bright fog]

type(val) =="boolean"

[frank elbow]

Check vs. coercion

[bright fog]

Unless you mean converting it

Or just straight up do
val = val and true or false

[frank elbow]

Yeah, that's also valid. Just saying not not works fine

[bright fog]

not not sounds so terrible

Especially due to the issue I described when using it not properly

[frank elbow]

The example Carlos provided has parentheses around the operand so that wouldn't be an issue

[bright fog]

I think it'll be in the model scripts

[bright fog]

Those parentheses don't do shit

[frank elbow]

What?

[bright fog]

he did not not (val)

That's the same as not not val

[frank elbow]

Weren't you pointing out the potential problem with operator precedence

If that were a concern here (it isn't, since it's a function call), the parentheses would make it a non-issue

[bright fog]

If you do not not val1 == val2

[frank elbow]

not not (val1 == val2)

[bright fog]

Yes

[frank elbow]

Not at all necessary since == is already a logical operator, of course

[bright fog]

That would be the way to do it, and even then there's no point doing a not not imo

[bright fog]

Yea

[queen oasis]

that stinks. which folder are you working out of/making changes in? and are you subscribed to the mod on steam?

[storm trench]

I think something in my game somehow broke. I'm verifying the game files right now. Not sure what happened but even without mods loaded I'm getting errors.

[queen oasis]

I get the "ERROR: mods isn't a valid workshop item ID" with zuper active. I haven't checked on the reason yet but I have a hunch where to look. I also double checked what I have, and it seems to work ok.

[bright fog]

That error means nothing

It's a vanilla bug

That has been here since B42 release

[queen oasis]

thanks for letting me know that because I couldn't find a reason in these mods. I just never noticed it before

[bronze yoke]

perks[skillName]

in lua when you write Perks.skillname that's the same as Perks["skillname"] (it treats everything after the . as a string index into the table) so if you want to use a variable you have to use the [variableName] syntax

[distant inlet]

@frank elbow @bright fog disregard my previous comment. The in-game debugger doesn't always show local variables (not just when they're nil) and that led to me make some wrong conclusions

[distant inlet]

learning 😂

[bronze yoke]

for future reference, if it isn't showing a local variable, that is always a bug: even nil is supposed to show up

[distant inlet]

this helps

[ivory gyro]

Is TIS banned every external url ? I cant use openUrl for discord server link, but https://theindiestone.com/ is working

[bright fog]

Some links are accepted, I believe Discord is accepted

@sour island do you remember if Discord is allowed ?

[sour island]

They limited it to their domains and steam

You can use the steam redirect link

[bright fog]

👀

[ivory gyro]

nope

[ivory gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-22378372

thx

[sour island]

Check out my mod alerts and updates mod

[queen oasis]

42 doesn't read from the old media folder at all?

[sour island]

No, but you can load 42 textures in B41 😀

[queen oasis]

hmm

ok I got a weird issue

[sour island]

Textures, sounds, anything that starts it's scope in mods/<mod>/

[queen oasis]

helping @storm trench and their port of zupercart and their cart is always on it's side, even though I don't have that issue.
I thought, well we don't need the old media folder for 41 so i borked it. And guess what the cart does when I delete media? lays on it's mf side

[bronze yoke]

all animsets must exist in both directories

when the game searches for animsets it checks the b41 folder, but when it actually loads them it correctly uses the b42 folders

[ivory gyro]

local function OpenDiscordUrl()
    local url = "https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fdiscord.gg%2Fla-station"
    if isSteamOverlayEnabled() then
        activateSteamOverlayToWebPage(url)
    else
        openUrl(url)
    end
end

Just find make this
(Its working btw)

[queen oasis]

thanks!

I don't like it, but thanks!

[storm trench]

Ohhh that's the freaking dumbest thing ever hahaa. Ugh. Thanks, I appreciate it!

[storm trench]

Just... lmao hahaa.

I took that out for 99.9% of my testing after I had the main mod set up. I figured having the extra media stuff would just be wasted space for a mod I was already needing to fork parts of to port.

[storm trench]

Also, you're always so incredibly insightful. Thank you for all you do.

Anybody have their mod ever break the freaking mods menu in game??? 🤣 ugh.

[knotty stone]

happens if a mod has problems with its mods.info file

should be in the console

[storm trench]

Yea I fixed it. I messed up the modID name in mods.info.

[storm trench]

Nice undies!!!

[vast pier]

It's a kitbash of these two guns

[drifting ore]

how to make a mod in b42?

[drifting ore]

I would like at an example of a similar mod to what you are trying to do to use as a reference

well, a mod that lets you craft one single gun, from metal pipes, metal scrap and a plank

it's literally unreadable for a beginner

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding#How_to_get_started

I'm happy to get your feedback on it however

Because the goal of the wiki is to make it easier to get started with making mods

[crystal sigil]

i can tell you this guys here in the chat are insane helpful. im also beginner. try to copy paste a existing mod and learn how it works and if questions comes up, im pretty sure the guys in this chat will help you

[bright fog]

Yeah

[drifting ore]

👍

is this extention useful?

[bright fog]

Yes

That's for scripts

If you do scripts, then yes it's great

If you don't know what is doable, you can either check how other mods do it by accessing their files. Asking in the various modding #Communities is also a good idea in getting some help or finding out what you could possibly achieve with modding.

Tbf this is the main tip for modding

Knowing mods that do something close to what you want to achieve can help you find examples

[drifting ore]

Allright. Is there maybe a template of a firearm script?
I have found one on youtube, but it shows that it's for Build 41.54

If I would to adjust it, would it work on b42?

[bright fog]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3060255898

This is the most up-to-date guide on making firearms (it's up-to-date)

[drifting ore]

what is the id for 12gauge ammuniton?

like, 12box?

or something like that?

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Visual_Studio_Code#Searching_in_a_folder

This will help you find anything

[drifting ore]

okay, so I did something like that, with a help of script grabbed from an addon adding more guns to b42. Can somebody help me with the recipe?

[umbral raptor]

hahahaha

[bright fog]

Nop

[umbral raptor]

tried that when i first started modding. chatgpt will take ur code and ruin it for u

[bright fog]

I will never tell anyone to use ChatGPT because currently ChatGPT goes mental on PZ coding

[umbral raptor]

u can use it at other things tho

it's amazing for writing radio/tv channels

and LUA translations (if its not alot of content)

[bright fog]

You will want to change the item ID

[bright fog]

Yea, basically anything that doesn't involve coding lmao

[umbral raptor]

yeah haha

but it was a lifesaver for me when it came to LUA translations in general

saves alot of time, specially for radio/tv translations

where u need to translate a GUID for each line of the transmission lmao

lol imagine translating that by hand.

[drifting ore]

so, if I will change it to item PipeGun, the recipe should look something like that?

[bright fog]

Yes

[drifting ore]

🫡

[bright fog]

timedAction is empty here

Either remove the line or add a timedAction

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe

[drifting ore]

what is a timedAction?

it's like the animation?

[bright fog]

This will help you understand craftings in B42

[bright fog]

Basically yes

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/CraftRecipe#timedAction

That's normal

ChatGPT will hallucinate an insane amount of stuff

It has became better

But it's still not great at the Lua API

[umbral raptor]

its not hallucinations

its that zomboid has a totally different coding system.

[bright fog]

It is, it invents a fuck ton of stuff

No it does

It hallucinates functions

It pops functions out of nowhere

[umbral raptor]

it uses lua, but it has no idea how to work with zomboid's code

[bright fog]

That's hallucination

He hallucinates functions

[umbral raptor]

its more of ignorance.

[bright fog]

He knows how to use PZ coding

[umbral raptor]

we dont call people who dont know things hallucinating

[drifting ore]

@bright fog is the Skills Required okay?

or did I mess it up

[umbral raptor]

we called them ignorant of information or simply uninformed

[storm trench]

Well, this has been an interesting mod to work on.

[umbral raptor]

they have not been trained at all on PZ code

[bright fog]

He knows Kahlua in a way, he knows it but it doesn't know all the possibilities, because it doesn't know the java doc and it doesn't know what each functions does and it will hallucinate a lot of functions

[bright fog]

Looks good

You sure you want InHandCraft for that sort of craft ?

[umbral raptor]

if it totally hallucinated it'd be useless for coding. it isn't. it simply isn't trained on videogame modding.

[crystal sigil]

i use actually chatgpt with linked websites from zomboid wiki and apis list so he knows how to use it. without links gpt is not useful. when you know how to guide gpt through zomboid code its pretty good tbh

[bright fog]

That's absolutely not what hallucination for an AI is

[drifting ore]

What does it mean? Like, crafting without a workbench?

[bright fog]

An AI hallucinating means it will create informations that are not based on anything but things that look real

ChatGPT will hallucinate functions for PZ

[umbral raptor]

tbh, its too early for AIs rn to do that stuff.

[bright fog]

It will, it knows PZ coding a bit and it knows a bunch of stuff

And it will hallucinate in functions

Functions that do not exist will be used because it assumes that functions with such a name will exist

[umbral raptor]

yeah exactly

i tried sending it the entire PZ lua file and it still had no idea what to do

[past radish]

ChatGPT is primarily focused on a creative process approach, hence why it makes up a shit ton of stuff

[umbral raptor]

even if given other codes it still insists that its right and its the most genius thing ever

[past radish]

Good for writing stories etc, but not coding

[bright fog]

Bcs that's how it works, it will hallucinate shit if you use it wrongly

[past radish]

GitHub co pilot is better because it takes into account what your code is

[storm trench]

I highly recommend only using GPT's if you're using the VS Code app, and then do NOT let it code anything. But it's wonderful for spell checking or, my personal favorite, injecting a bunch of stuff into predetermined areas of the script. I had it take a 550 item document of room names and put it in both my cart/trolley distribution files in about 25 seconds. Saved me a good hour of work.

[bright fog]

But you can't tell me ChatGPT failing PZ code is not hallucination, I've seen it a lot of times and I even use Copilot with GPT and it fucking hallucinates shit out of nowhere. Even when writing wiki pages from VSCode, it hallucinates informations about PZ

[umbral raptor]

yeah it can do simple instructions easily

[past radish]

ChatGPT is like a person who has studied for a job for years but no experience in the field

[umbral raptor]

for example
adding your module name before item names, or extracting item display names from LUA translations

copying code exactly, etc.

[storm trench]

I guess it depends on what you want out of it. If you check everything it does, have at it. But if it does something you have no idea about, don't let it do it. It'll ruin your hard work quick.

[umbral raptor]

its pretty shit at scripting tho

but honestly

there is AI modding is very hard without

and it'll help all and any modder

https://hyper3d.ai/

give it an image and it'll make u a model

u'll need some afterwork on blender, mostly to make it low-poly or adjust UVs

[storm trench]

That's pretty neat. How much does it cost tho?

[umbral raptor]

zero if u make 5 billion accounts like me haha

each model + texture costs 0.5 credits

and u get 5 credits per account

lemme show u the models it made

[storm trench]

That's not too bad. Hmmm. Welp, if I ever go there, I'll have this saved. Thanks for sharing!

[umbral raptor]

after editting

it isnt a calculator (stupid machine) nor an animal either

its smthin new

but it def isnt alive or sentient haha

[storm trench]

It's incredibly efficient code. That's all for right now.

[umbral raptor]

ye, but its an intelligent tool

and it'll be more in the future

[past radish]

I would rather do 3D assets myself than optimize Ai models, seems way faster and better

[umbral raptor]

lol sure bro, its literally a slider on blender

decimate + uv/texture editting if needed

it generates a high poly model btw

18k vertices. i get most models to 200-800 vertices tho.

depends on how complex it is.

[past radish]

And still looks bad

[umbral raptor]

looks pretty good ig

far better than any models i could've done tbh

but my team does have modellers and we do our own models

[storm trench]

Yeah, it looks decent. Maybe a little too... "rubbery/plasticy", but other than that.

[umbral raptor]

i can show u the high poly model lmao

[past radish]

When it comes to PZ, anything really goes as you can’t tell far away

[umbral raptor]

yeah, but still needs to ressemble the object haha

and has the right texture. so u end up doing the model anyway.

[drifting ore]

okay, @bright fog I created mod info, my pipe gun script, and the recipe script. What else is needed for the mod to work?

[bright fog]

Your mod is for B42 right ?

[vast pier]

Using ai for both the models, textures feels really disingenuous

[bright fog]

Then the folder structure is a bit wrong

[drifting ore]

yes

[drifting ore]

how can I fix it?

[umbral raptor]

high-poly model given to me

[bright fog]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/File_structure#Mod_folder

[bronze yoke]

ai is not at all competent at any kind of programming, it's only becoming popular because half the people in the industry don't enjoy programming and are only in it for the money

for zomboid in particular it is straight up worthless unless you're already good enough to do it yourself

[vast pier]

I didn’t say anything about coding, i said the model and textures are ai generated

[drifting ore]

ait, so there is no scripts folder, so it just goes into lua?

[umbral raptor]

using machines to produce goods is disingenous. we should all weave our cloth by hand and produce cars with hammers and anvils

[bright fog]

No there is a script folder

[past radish]

Just remember AI 3D models are trained on our 3D assets

[umbral raptor]

ais are machines too

[past radish]

It boils down to the way they are doing it

[vast pier]

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison

[umbral raptor]

what do machines do then? they allow mass, quick and efficient production

[drifting ore]

okay, so could you tell me, what specifficaly is wrong? I don't kinda see it

[vast pier]

The machines still need to be designed for specific purposes and the items they create are still designed by people

[past radish]

It’s like comparing some junk food that is mass produced, and then what a chef cooks

[umbral raptor]

yeah, an AI cant mod by itself. but i can take the models it creates and mod it in instead of spending hours/days just making one model

[past radish]

Sure junkfood taste good sometimes, but I would rather have the chef food

[umbral raptor]

sure, but u end up paying more for the chef food and getting less

and its the same quality

[vast pier]

I said it feels disingenuous

[past radish]

And? I care about my food

[vast pier]

It is definitely NOT the same quality

[past radish]

No it is not the same quality

LMAO

[umbral raptor]

yes, AI is better LOL

[past radish]

Guy is a troll

[umbral raptor]

nah, im saying my opinion

[vast pier]

Maybe the Ai is better at producing than what you yourself make, but in a general sense no

[umbral raptor]

🤷‍♂️

but it'll get better from here haha

[past radish]

There are a million things AI is not better at than what a skilled artist can do

[vast pier]

I do think your mods are interesting, the ai usage feels a bit sour but I don’t think it’s inherently bad

[umbral raptor]

btw, not all my models are AI

80% of my models are either made by our team or vanilla models re-textured/repurposed

[vast pier]

I don’t want you to think that i dislike your mods because you use ai or something btw. I just said it feels disingenuous

[umbral raptor]

for you, sure.

[drifting ore]

okay, so, I made a first attempt on modding. What do I do now, to transfer my mod into project zomboid?

[storm trench]

The future of AI is not here yet. No sense in harping over which is better right now, because the answer will always be the same: microwave dinners don't compare to the real thing.

[drifting ore]

Which folder should I put it in

[past radish]

🤌

[umbral raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-look-robot-robot-stare-gif-7330364892007281199

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[drifting ore]

twenty years from now, Poles will teach AI to say Kurwa, and have a good laugh about it

[past radish]

It can already do that

In fact, you can make ChatGPT make a stereotypical Indian accent as well

[umbral raptor]

you could make it write a novel in polish haha

[drifting ore]

I shall go on a journey, to teach AI every polish curse word know to a man

[umbral raptor]

i used it once to translate one of the books i wrote into arabic, it was pretty amazing tbh

[storm trench]

If Build 42, this location:

C:\Users\UsersUsername\Zomboid\Workshop\ModName\Contents\mods\ModName
42, media and common folders go in the last ModName folder along with mod.info - Also put media folder in 42.

If not Build 42, ignore the second comment and put the media & mod.info file in that second ModName folder.

When you go to upload in game under the main menu option "workshop" it'll tell you what is wrong and where. Just keep following that until you get it. If there's any issues, we're here to help.

[drifting ore]

Used it a couple of times to do my political class assignments, it's kinda okay

just overuses informal polish, or uses words that are rarely spoken

[vast pier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DLW1_IlR00

[crystal sigil]

@umbral raptor if you are interested in using something like this local and free for ever, try this https://github.com/Tencent/Hunyuan3D-2

[umbral raptor]

u could give it furthur instructions

[storm trench]

I'll be dead for what I said and you'll be a slave. Best decide what priority you'd rather have hahaa.

[drifting ore]

can't teach it a writing style with minimal effort, sadly

[umbral raptor]

ill be in space my dude 😎

[drifting ore]

okay so

is this the folder I should put it in?

or this

[storm trench]

That's correct.

[storm trench]

Nope, first one.

[drifting ore]

allright. Now, when I go into zomboid, the mod will show, right?

[storm trench]

So long as your mod.info is set up, yea.

[drifting ore]

Could you check, if I didn't mess something up with the file structure?

[umbral raptor]

btw i do like 50 billion other things to get the mod done. if getting 1-3 of these thing done by AI makes me "disingenous" then sure, i'd rather be that than spend several more hours/days/weeks working just for my or others ego/opinions lol

[storm trench]

Looks alright to me, but the workshop can be weird. If it needs anything then it'll tell you quick.

[umbral raptor]

its also much better than downloading any of those online shitty 3d models from websites

with most models selling for like 5-20$ or some bullshit lmao

[past radish]

Why are you going on about this? Also what’s wrong with people commissioning their work, when you do the same?

[drifting ore]

Thx

[storm trench]

Anybody know a possible reason why my mod would send the game to a black screen when reloading LUA? Console tells me where to go and what to look for, but idk what the issue is. Nevermind I'm a dummy hahaa. Accidentally fat fingered something.

[vast pier]

I'm not saying the entire mod is disingenous.
Just sours it a little bit.
I have the same opinion about that mod that rocco made with really interesting weapon functions and designs, but it's soured by the fact that they used an Ai workshop icon instead of simply showing some of their weapon models

The mod is good, just has some tang to it because of that

[umbral raptor]

nothing wrong. but modellers are expensive, specially when i earn little money from my mod and they are all donations.

if i was developing a game sure

or maybe a 3D movie/animation

i'd hire a 3D modeller

[past radish]

Why not learn yourself if I may ask? Wouldn’t that be way more neat?

[umbral raptor]

i am already learning it myself, but I am going slowly

and i prefer modding over modelling tbh

also as i said, i have a modeller on my team

and he does alot of the models

so its not like i fully rely on AI

nah, i do alot of work myself retexture, working on models, etc.

but i'd rather save time and money on smthin i do for fun 🙂

[past radish]

It just feels very sour in my mouth, when you say 3D models are shit, and AI is better, and that it’s bullshit people do 3D commissions

Unless I misunderstood what you meant by the last part

[umbral raptor]

lol man get used to it. AIs are going to get better than people at everything; writing, art, etc.

[storm trench]

What's everyone's opinion on using AI art for preview and poster.png hahaa?

[umbral raptor]

but i didn't say its bullshit.

i said "i'd rather save time and money". why should i spend hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours of time so people dont feel sour in their mouth lmao

[past radish]

You edited the comment

[bronze yoke]

i'm less likely to click on your mod if it has some ugly ai art on the poster

[umbral raptor]

im not working for free

[past radish]

You aren’t really working at all

[umbral raptor]

lmao

[past radish]

Copy paste go BBRRTT, end of discussion

[storm trench]

Well, define "ugly" hahaa.

[umbral raptor]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3434464110

this is my mod

dont say i did nothing

its probably the largest in terms of new content on the workshop on B42 rn

[crystal sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[umbral raptor]

so please dont cry because u cant handle the fact that ur job is getting replaced by machines lmao

[bronze yoke]

if i can tell you used ai, it's probably ugly

[umbral raptor]

@past radish i bet u cant tell which models are actually made by human and which by AI

if u say 3 correct ones then ill add ur name to the credits of the mod.

[vast pier]

Can you make a gun accept multiple types of magazines?

[past radish]

I don’t want to have any credits to any slop content no thanks

[umbral raptor]

a joke btw

btw, the computer is human made, so is the printer, the heat press, the canning machine and more 😉

[past radish]

I don’t know why you seem so, angry, I don’t dislike your mod.

[umbral raptor]

well it pisses me off when u say i do nothing

[past radish]

That’s the reaction I’m going for when you say artist are bad

It’s both stupid

[drifting ore]

@storm trench Okay, so it just gives me an error, about lack of preview.png

where should I put it?

[past radish]

Either way, AI is not completely replacing us anytime soon

[umbral raptor]

also, dont call my shit slop content lmao

[past radish]

That’s my personal opinion

[umbral raptor]

based on??

[past radish]

Anyways, this is getting out of hand for this channel

[umbral raptor]

ur jealousy?

[silent zealot]

Not in vanilla. gun -> one type of magazine, one type of bullet.

[past radish]

You can move it to DM if you want

[umbral raptor]

nah, im good. u do u man

[storm trench]

Preview goes at the very top level with your first ModName folder; inside that goes the Contents folder, preview.png and workshop.txt

[vast pier]

can't mod it in? 😔

[silent zealot]

You could, and britta/gunslinger does... but it needs to be modded in.

[storm trench]

And @drifting ore preview.png must be exactly 256 x 256 in size.

[vast pier]

lua needed?

Cuz I think it would be interesting if one of the benefits of the improvised guns is that they can accept the improvised mags or gun mags of the same calibre with similar size/shape

[silent zealot]

Making improvised guns better than proper guns?

[storm trench]

Just don't make it super lame like FO4 pipe weapons hahaa.

[vast pier]

God no lol, much slower firerate and worse durability

damage itself is comparable to normal guns due to how gun calibres work, but the capacity would be dictated by the magazine

[silent zealot]

If you made it a right click -> refit for improvise dmagazine

or right click -> convert to <different calibre> it would be easy to mod, provided the magazinetype/bullettype are handweapon properties and don't just read from the script template

[vast pier]

and that's assuming you can even craft the gun in the first place.
Since you need to either start as a specific profession, or find an m14 to reverse engineer, or find a rare schematic that teaches how to make it

then you need high enough metalworking and maintenance skills to even craft the gun parts

[vast pier]

don't changes like that get reset on game load tho

[silent zealot]

store in item's modData, reapply on load.

[vast pier]

I think it would be easier to just include a crafting recipe to refit the receiver to a different magazine (different item that just copies the gun attachments/durability)

[silent zealot]

definitely possible to do that way too, and likely a better choice for caliber changes

Since Calibre changes should touch lots of stats

[drifting ore]

Allright, can somebody help me with my mod crashing?

here's the crash dump

I know about gardensaw error, but is any other error causing it?

[silent zealot]

Is your mod Hide in Car?

[drifting ore]

nah

my mod's Home Gunsmithing / chalupnik

[silent zealot]

Do you have a recipe with the GardenSaw tag and no Gardensaw tagged items?

[drifting ore]

ah, nope

so, if I delete the gardensaw need, will it work?

[silent zealot]

It will fix the current problem breaking the mod

No promises it won't just let you reach the next problem. 😂

[vocal vector]

i'm seriously confused with my modData here, i define the value of characterDebt in the table and it shows in the debug modData screen correctly with the player name as key and value as 1, but all the prints show it as nil; and the "if not" condition is firing every time

local function wastedInitAll(playerNum, player)
    print ("init")
    if BWOPopControl.Medics.On then
        wasted.modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
        wasted.modData.characterDebt = wasted.modData.characterDebt or {}

        charName = player:getFullName()
        if not wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname] then
            print ("register new patient account " .. charName)
            wasted.modData.characterDebt[charName] = 1
        else
            print ("import medical debt " .. tostring(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
        end
        print ("import medical debt " .. tostring(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
        print(type(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
    end
end

[silent zealot]

is wasted a global variable?

[vocal vector]

it's local

local wasted = {}
local charName = nil

local function wastedInitAll(playerNum, player)
    print ("init")
    if BWOPopControl.Medics.On then
        wasted.modData = ModData.getOrCreate("WastedModData")
        wasted.modData.characterDebt = wasted.modData.characterDebt or {}

        charName = player:getFullName()
        if not wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname] then
            print ("register new patient account " .. charName)
        --    wasted.modData.characterDebt[charName] = 1
        --    table.insert (wasted.modData.characterDebt.charName, 0)
        else
            print ("import medical debt " .. tostring(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
        end
        print ("import medical debt " .. tostring(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
        print(type(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charname]))
    end
end```
i commented out the definition to check that the key and value were definitely stored in moddata, and they still appear now

and the problem here was that i didn't correctly capitalise charName so it was looking for a different key! 
```print ("import medical debt " .. tostring(wasted.modData.characterDebt[charName]))```
works just fine

[drifting ore]

allright, another crash

[silent zealot]

search for "exception" is the first step to going through console.txt.

[drifting ore]

thx

[silent zealot]

"error" always shows up a lot, but "exception" normally only shows up right before probelsm with the lua-<-> java interface which is where most issues will show

still getting "World loading could not proceed, there are script load errors. " which means something in a script is broken.

Duck Tape is a brand name, Duct Tape is general type of type (and zomboid item)

[drifting ore]

oooohhh

holy shit, the more you know

[silent zealot]

Even though "duck tape" has been used as a name because of "duck cotton" or something refering to the fabric.

[drifting ore]

we were literally teached that ducktape is the right word XD

[silent zealot]

And I'm used to "duct tape" refering the tape without the fabric reinforcmnt, and "gaffer tape" is the fabric-backed stuff.

It's definitely a mess of naming and likely different around the world and in different industries.

But Zomboid chose "DuctTape"

[vast pier]

I always assumed it was just tape designed for taping ducts

And that duck tape was just clever branding which became the mainstream name

[vast pier]

Neat, any custom guns or crafting vanilla guns?

[drifting ore]

Custom guns, just one for now

[vast pier]

Biggest problem i see coming up is the fact that i also want to add in stock/grip variants

[drifting ore]

Like, the most basic redneck shotgun

And I will try to make more and more

[vast pier]

Neat, im working on a similar thing

[silent zealot]

I gave upon my custom gun idea when I found Zomboid crashes if you fire more than 9 projectiles from a gun at once.

[drifting ore]

Maybe some smgs like Sten or TEC-9, that are easy to make at home

[drifting ore]

Nice

[vast pier]

Wait it does? Why

[silent zealot]

yup. There is an array with 36 elements, each projectile reads four, then projectile ten tries to read element 37 and the java crashes.

[vast pier]

I advocate for improvised guns to look similar to existing guns but not be 1:1

Sure you could create a sten in a garage maybe, but it would probably look different than an official sten gun for various reasons

[silent zealot]

a 10 projectile gun will often crash to title menu, an 11+ project gun just crashes.

[drifting ore]

Yeah

Look at australian organised motorcycles gangs guns

[vast pier]

Can you attach texture/model variants to guns the same way you can with melee weapons? Like how sometimes the default hammers will spawn in and look like the forged version instead?

[silent zealot]

or "zip guns" for lots of fun stuff

[drifting ore]

Dunno

[silent zealot]

And by "fun" I mean " probably hurts the person you aim at more than you, but no promises"

[drifting ore]

Holy shit the mod didn't crash

[vast pier]

I think it would be interesting to have multiple icon/texture/models that the guns can draw from randomly. Small variations

[silent zealot]

A slamfire shotgun shoudl be super easy to make. And look how easy it will be to model!

[drifting ore]

As dangerous to opponent as to the wielder

Okay, the crafting works. How to make it use my model? @silent zealot

[vast pier]

The mod im collabing on has one of those

[silent zealot]

I assume you either put the model in the right spot with the right name that matches the itemname, or you specify a modelname in item - but I've not actually done that so don't know what quirks/gotchas are involved.

[vast pier]

Like have the gun use your model?

[drifting ore]

yeah

would a script like that work?

[vast pier]

Yeah but be sure to change the weapon sprite to the same name as the model

[drifting ore]

👍

icon too?

[vast pier]

Also why do you have it resized? You should try to size it properly in blender so that the muzzle flash and stuff aren’t wonky

Also you need to add a muzzle param to the that model script or the gun won’t be able to fire

[umbral raptor]

i'd like to ask something. is it possible to make a model change textures while dropped on the ground?

through LUA

[drifting ore]

To be honest, I copied a code from theindiestone wiki

[drifting ore]

o

[umbral raptor]

or make a model change texture in-game in any way without scripts

[drifting ore]

how to do so?

[vast pier]

Are you modding build42? If not then i dont think the muzzle is actually needed

[drifting ore]

yeah

[vast pier]

It’s needed in b42 because the gun system goes from fancy melee to 3d simulated gunshots

So the muzzle placement actually affects the gun’s ability to shoot

Just copy one of the shotgun’s muzzle model parameters and youll be fine

In the scripts folder there should be a txt file that says something like weapon models

[drifting ore]

is this okay?

[vast pier]

Don’t need to add the scale parameter, it’s 1 by default.
Also no the sprite needs to be the same name as the model definition

So “PipeGun”

[drifting ore]

oh, ait'

Okay, so the model turned a little bit to big

(it's the size of a big warehouse)

@vast pier is there like a timetable, for how big should the model be?

Like, what size should it be in blender to fit the game

[silent zealot]

Bset practise for model scaling is they should be smaller than a warehouse.

[drifting ore]

That's confusing at the start, but will get to it

[umbral raptor]

lol u need to adjust scale in mode script

or in blender

[drifting ore]

Yeah, made it to 0,025

[drifting ore]

But for future, what size should the model be in blender?

[umbral raptor]

for some reason, the models have to be the size of atoms (like u literally cant see them cuz they disappear when u zoom in) so that u can put them in as 1.0 in-game lmao

thats if its say a book sized model

[drifting ore]

Aww shit

[umbral raptor]

lemme show u an example

[drifting ore]

What about this muzzle attachment

[umbral raptor]

this is a 1.0 sized photo frame

if u want a reference of what the size is in-game then look at my mod (MyRoom)

[drifting ore]

Is muzzle attachment pos scale related?

[drifting ore]

👍

[umbral raptor]

i have no idea about guns, my suggestion is to use other mods or vanilla stuff

[drifting ore]

Ait

[umbral raptor]

u can easily compare them with vanilla (look at vanilla model scripts, they dont always use 1.0 scale, but u can make them the same size and use the same scale)

[drifting ore]

Gonna try the ol' mistakes and more mistakes method tomorrow

[umbral raptor]

haha relatable

[vast pier]

In object mode, set the scale to 0.01

[umbral raptor]

i wish there was a dev debug option/buttom that launched the game straight away in a normal apocalypse mode. skips the entire main menu process

would help alot and save a ton of time in testing

[drifting ore]

👍

[drifting ore]

I wish zomboid was build like Garry's mod

[vast pier]

You should download a gun mod and compare the gun placements/size

[drifting ore]

Like you know, you can just open the game from files and head straight to testing

Also don't need to restart the game everytime you change something in the mod

[silent zealot]

I'd rather have it based on Rimworld with it's amazing modding support.

XML + XPATCH

[drifting ore]

I currently changed the pos according to scale, will see tomorrow if it works

[vast pier]

Enable debug mode, there’s a button on main menu to reload scripts and lua

[drifting ore]

I mean, Garry's Mod like entirelly build from mods

[silent zealot]

Add new properties with a C# class and then XML on the object... if you can find a property you need that does not already exist.

[drifting ore]

For me, it's the easiest game to mod

[drifting ore]

OOOOOHHH

[vast pier]

Also models update in real time, you can sit in game and make small changes to a model and it will update every time

[drifting ore]

Holy fuck thank you

That's gonna save me so much time

[vast pier]

The actual model file, not the definition file

[silent zealot]

Big warning: this does NOT reload textures, I don't know about models.

[drifting ore]

My pc couldn't handle blender and zomboid running together

[vast pier]

Thats cuz textures get cached until restart

Models change in real time, updating the fbx will refresh it in game

[drifting ore]

Would probably cause a explosion trying to

And I live so close to Polish-Belarussian border, that it might start a war

Phahahaha

[vast pier]

How old is your pc? Mine is a prebuilt from like 2014

[drifting ore]

It's a lenovo ThinkPad from 2020

[drifting ore]

With i5-115g37 and no GPU

[drifting ore]

Where's the reload option?

[vast pier]

Here’s a screenshot of me having opera open with multiple tabs, gimp, blender, visual studio and project zomboid all at once

[silent zealot]

lower right

[drifting ore]

Ah thx

[vast pier]

Main menu

[drifting ore]

👍

[drifting ore]

My laptop can get so hot, that it starts to burn my fingers

[vast pier]

This is the same pc that one of the tech support here said shouldn’t even be able to run the game

[vast pier]

Ah yeah a laptop. Thatll do it

[drifting ore]

But it's only while playing gta rp, it's kinda chill with zomboid

[vast pier]

Invest in a laptop fan /gen

If it’s burning your skin then it can probably warp computer parts

[silent zealot]

Might also be time to open it up and remove dust.

[storm trench]

Alrighty, all. I need some mod name ideas. It's a silly mod that makes the zombies spit out random, weird and goofy dialogue pertaining to being a zombie.

It's done aside from making it function via a trait.

[silent zealot]

Stand up Zomidy.

Mod preview on steam is a zombie on stage with a mic in a comedy club.

[storm trench]

Hahaa that's pretty cute, I like that. Might give the wrong impression tho, hmmm.

[silent zealot]

Project Zomedian?

[storm trench]

[vocal vector]

A Radical Experiment In Empathy

[queen oasis]

I’m dead tired, but I could still go for a bite.

not drunk yet

[storm trench]

That's a good line for the dialogue hahaa. I'm stealing it.

[vast pier]

the talking dead

[silent zealot]

Could you also do the opposite and sometimes have the player speak cheasy action movie lines when killinga zombie?

[silent zealot]

I like this one.

[storm trench]

That's straight to the point. I love it. I think we have a winner.

[umbral raptor]

question, what does this do exactly?

[queen oasis]

already a mod called that? checked, and there is

[umbral raptor]

does this reload LUA code only or does it reload the entire game or what?

[silent zealot]

basically it dumps everything lua and reloads it all.

only lua.

[umbral raptor]

also can i edit models while in-game or do i have to shut the game down for every edit?

cuz i usually shut it down haha

[silent zealot]

Someone ^^^^^^ said you can live-edit models.

[umbral raptor]

thanks ❤️

[silent zealot]

a short while ago in chat... I've never tried though

[umbral raptor]

same

[vast pier]

I said it

[umbral raptor]

i realized it never worked with other scripts (items, recipes, etc), so i never tried it

[vast pier]

I edit gun models with the character loaded in and holding the gun

It doesn't live edit with scripts

it's the model fbx itself that updates in real time

[umbral raptor]

oh, the actual 3D models not the model script?

[storm trench]

Well, it's just called "Talking Dead"... so sorta.

[umbral raptor]

damn

well that works too

[vast pier]

yeah script stuff still needs to go back to menu

[umbral raptor]

wait just the main menu?

or do i have to shut down the entire game

[vast pier]

Uh you only need to shut down the game to reload textures

[silent zealot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1135650782&searchtext=talking+dead

[vast pier]

the rest can be done with the reload lua button

[umbral raptor]

ahhh

awesome, thanks alot. that was super helpful ❤️

[storm trench]

What about something stupid and simple like "Mmmm... Brains..."?

Eh. Nah.

Idk.

[umbral raptor]

lmao

me if i was a zombie

def

[vast pier]

also @drifting ore the gun should look like this in blender

pistols are flipped the other way, dunno why

[silent zealot]

I had lingering whispers (which is a non-comedic take on zombeis talking) but I disabled it when I disabled every zombie-behavior-affecting mod due to perf issues when there were too many zombies (but not enough that the game shoud be slow) and never got around to re-enabling them.

Pretty sure one of the mods had some poorly written code attached to onUpdateZombie or something.

[vast pier]

the opera tabs in question

[storm trench]

Yeah, I was inspired by similar mods to do something like this, but I wanted it more goofy and lighthearted. Maybe I'll have tweaked versions nested within that can be more serious. I dunno.

[silent zealot]

Once you have the framework changing what they say should be trivial.

[storm trench]

Oh yeah, it's just a .txt file. Delete all of them except one, and then remove the spoken text from that one, and have an AI copy 300 more lines of that in. Then just run through all of them with whatever I want.

[silent zealot]

It's the sort of thing where generative AI is very helpful, and you're not costing anyone work because this isn't the sort of thing you'd comission for money if there was no AI.

[storm trench]

I did use this, but it only checks the same zombie once. On insane pop I didn't have any lag until I had it set so they were being given lines every 0-5 seconds.

[silent zealot]

You can use onUpdate without issues, but you can also cause problems if you don't think about what you're doing.

[queen oasis]

co-pilot says:
Why did the zombie go to school?
To improve his dead-ucation! 😄

[silent zealot]

Not every modder thinks performance impacts through.. and I think some of us overthink it.

[storm trench]

It's the most attention I give anything. I don't want a mod that bogs things down because of all the Rimworld experience I have. That game you want everything to have as minimal overhead as possible or things go south quick with TPS.

[silent zealot]

It's nearly always the job system that kills perfomance there, when I've looked.

Or excessive numbers of world pawns, but that was fixed a lot in recent versions so you don't need mods to cull them anymore.

[silent zealot]

what is the emoji for "It's terrible, that's why it's perfect?"

[queen oasis]

😬👍

[storm trench]

What about "Zomboid Confidant" for the mod? Like, literally that's what you're like. The Zomboids just love to tell you silly things.

Zomboidian Slip?

Like Freudian slip.

[vast pier]

If the variants work like they do for tools, I'm thinking some basic tape variants would be neat

[storm trench]

"Night of the Living Dadjokes"

ChatGPT is otherwise horrible with names. Lmao.

[vast pier]

fuck yeah rng model variants work on guns too

[storm trench]

It just hit me. Project Zomcom ! It was right there.

[vast pier]

easy to add in some more variety now

[storm trench]

It sucks Valentine's Day just passed cuz I could've had a ton of fun with that. Crap!

[vocal vector]

is there a way to toggle the state of being on fire?

[silent zealot]

player:SetOnFire() toggles if from off to on.

[vocal vector]

so not true/false?

[silent zealot]

I assume player:setOnFire(boolean _OnFire) lets you choose on or off.

quick to check with the lua console, if you don't mind being on fire for a bit.

[storm trench]

Please tell me you're designing a trait to light characters aflame who commit immoral actions.

[vocal vector]

actually i'm implementing an emergency medical service, but it turns out the player can be discharged from the clinic while still on fire

and this is sub optimal

[bronze yoke]

probably didn't have insurance

[silent zealot]

"Your medical insurance was accepted, but your fire insurance was not"

[vocal vector]

need to take it up with the firefighters union pal

[ember leaf]

Sounds like they need the most extreme antipyretic there is

hell of a fever your running there pal

[silent zealot]

hands then 2 paracetamol and a bill for $600

[ember leaf]

We would just IV the Paracetamol and then happily discharge without a bill 😉

though I feel like if they are on fire, squirting the bag over them might be of more use...

[vocal vector]

so setOnFire(false) works, but

the fire sprite and burning sound remains

[queen oasis]

player:StopBurning() ?

[silent zealot]

Your insurance provider didn't agree to cover the cosmetic aspect of being on fire.

[vocal vector]

the fire disappears when i reload the game

[ember leaf]

You can't escape the debt even in the end times...

[silent zealot]

StopBurning() is definitely worth a try.

[ember leaf]

Would anyone have an example of a timer function that would work for a drug comeup?

[vocal vector]

you can choose your medical pricing plan in the sandbox settings

[silent zealot]

That looks like exactly what you want

[ember leaf]

Can I select NHS?

[vocal vector]

yes, but it's called SOCIALISM

[ember leaf]

Hahaha, Sorry had to as an employee of the system 😉

[vocal vector]

[ember leaf]

The poor folks over in the modding discord had to deal with my first few days of learning lua and zomboid modding, so I am now trying to crack a function to deal with drug comeup time, then effect time, then comedown

Just I thought about capturing the time of day the drug was taken at, then adding 4 to simulate the elimination time but struggling xD

[ember leaf]

Lies down and takes the beating "Needed time off anyways"

[vocal vector]

player:StopBurning() did the job

[queen oasis]

nice

[vocal vector]

that's a celebratory, even a grateful panning

how quickly we forget

[ember leaf]

Oh lord don't remind me, remember driving to calls during that time and watching as people nearly broke wooden spoons on frying pans 😉

[silent zealot]

You can attach some code to the OnEveryTenMinutes to make regular checks to update the drug effects

And you could use modData on the player object to store info on when drugs were taken, so it persists if they save/quit

[ember leaf]

So moddata is being used to store the pillsconsumed, then at current, I am using everyhours to remove a pill from the counter of pills consumed

[vast pier]

I think imma remove the brown variant as you can barely distinguish it from the black one

[ember leaf]

Just wanted to say by the way your models look amazing, loved the pipe/slamfire shotgun

[vast pier]

I didn't make those models, it's part of a collab I'm doing. I only made the mag fed rifle

[ember leaf]

Hey better than I could do much respect to you!

[vast pier]

the original mod is Ramshackle Recipes

This is part of a build 42 port of the mod, the dev likes my work so we're planning on adding me as a contributor n stuff 👍

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3355210994

[ember leaf]

In terms of the everytenminutes, I like the idea I am just lost on the beginning portion you know?

[ember leaf]

For sure going to have to check it out, it fits so well to the end of the world

Would be cool if it was like lower-powdered shells/rounds to account for the weaker pipes etc if that made sense?

[vast pier]

I was basically like
"hey can I port your mod to build 42" -Me
"sure" -Them
"can I change these things?" -Me
"you can do that???" -Them

so now I've been making changes and being like "do you wanna add this?" and so far everything has been getting approved :3c

[ember leaf]

that's awesome! proper community modding there!

[storm trench]

Love to see it!!!

[vast pier]

It's actually why I've been making the disassembly framework

it started as just simply making the pistols crafted through smithing

evolved into its own thing

[vocal vector]

@ember leaf if i'm adding painkiller effect do i use setPainReductionFromMeds?

[ember leaf]

That's what I am currently trying to figure out, if you want we could figure it out together? just I am doing a medications overhaul, might be of use if your doing EMS?

Alongside working in EMS might be able to give you a few pointers?

[vocal vector]

sure, i'm interested

I've often thought the medical system could use a bit of a deeper dive

a little bit more depth to the injuries you can get for example would make the medical professions more viable

[ember leaf]

Yeah, it's been a particular desire of mine to see more depth in it

[vast pier]

Replaced with red

[ember leaf]

Looks more distinctive, maybe a shade lighter on the red?

Like just a tiny bit if possible?

[vast pier]

nah I think I just need to saturate the purple more

[ember leaf]

Just to give it that real tanned look you know?

Just a thought

Just my guess would be like a leather strap around the stock?

[vast pier]

It's tape not leather tho

🤷‍♀️

[ember leaf]

Ah my bad, just thought with a weapon like that perhaps some leather on the end would be neat, but same purpose 🙂

[vast pier]

naked

Not variants, separate item

[ember leaf]

NSFW 😉

[vast pier]

Now this complicates things, I want it so you craft and attach your own gun stock.
But idk how the game tracks the sprite variant to keep it looking them same when doing stuff like disassembling

Cuz I would like it if the tape doesn't suddenly change just because you added a stock

[ember leaf]

So are you thinking like a static stock item with the potential tape individualized per stock?

Like Stock W/Red Tape, Stock W/ White Tape

[vast pier]

no the stock has no features

the variant would be dictated by the gun's variant

[ember leaf]

Ah sorry was just trying to think of a way you could keep the tape the same

[vast pier]

ah the answer is it simply doesn't track it as far as I can tell

disassembling and reassembling a factory new hammer will turn it into a forged hammer

I guess the tape will just randomize itself every time, oh well 🤷‍♀️

I still like it regardless, so I won't be removing it over something like that

Is there a guide for making clothing?

[vast pier]

Also added orange cuz I felt like it would look nice

[umbral raptor]

Yes one sec

[random finch]

Anyone have any ideas on how to prevent a player from entering/exiting a vehicle? Maybe aware of any mods that do this?

We have OnEnterVehicle and OnExitVehicle but they trigger after the player has entered or exited.

[queen oasis]

break all the locks? I don't know how that would work if the player was inside the vehicle

[silent zealot]

Edit the times action's IsValid()?

[random finch]

lol mad man. I just dont want them to be able to get in and out while in custom zones Ive made.

[random finch]

Great suggestion, Ill check it out

[queen oasis]

I usually like to do things the most difficult way possible

[silent zealot]

Should just need to prefix/postfix that function with if playerInNoStoppingZone then return false

And create a sign "IN CASE OF BREAKDOWN REMAIN IN YOUR VEHICLE AND AWAIT ASSISTANCE"

[random finch]

lol, they shouldnt even be able to get into the zone. I was more so preventing them from trying to enter from the edges. I dont really need exit. With that said, I need to figure out a way to prevent players or vehicles from moving into the zone.

[silent zealot]

fun quirk: you can't exit a moving vehicle, but there is no such restriction on entering one.

You want to keep vehicles out?

[random finch]

Yup

[silent zealot]

You could make an outer zone that warns the player then an inner zone that desapwns the vehicle.

[random finch]

I was looking at the safehouse code, but everything it uses to keep things out is not exposed

[silent zealot]

And just check periodically if a moving vehicle is in a zone.

[random finch]

Yah, I thought of that as well, but didnt want to delete it completely 😛

[silent zealot]

Or better yet: concrete barriers that explode if removed with a slegdehammer.

[random finch]

lol that is better

[silent zealot]

...or that disable the sledgehammer

[ancient grail]

i havent encountered this function yet
its s boolean?

[random finch]

or sledge just cant be used on them

[silent zealot]

if someone uses debug mode to cheat themselves in, no point trying to stop that.

[silent zealot]

It's pseudocode - you get an idea what I mean, but it's not a real function.

you'd have to write that check yourself

[ancient grail]

i see lol
i didnt read the whole convo

[ancient grail]

like writing an entire mod using physical pen and paper

[random finch]

Glytch3r you made the no trespass mode with tiles that kill zeds/players?

[ancient grail]

#1070852229654917180 message

[random finch]

Yup
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2950660206

[vast pier]

is there a way to check a player's steam ID using lua?

[random finch]

Yes

[random finch]

https://projectzomboid.com/modding/zombie/characters/IsoPlayer.html#getSteamID()

[bronze yoke]

getSteamIDFromUsername(player:getUsername())

[random finch]

At least i think thats the one I used

[bronze yoke]

the one from getSteamID() is unusable because lua's number type doesn't have enough precision to store it accurately

[vast pier]

would this be player:getSteamIDFromUsername(player:getUsername()) or just getSteamIDFromUsername(player:getUsername())

[bronze yoke]

just the latter

[vocal vector]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3437564748

Released! Thanks for all the help 😀

[ember leaf]

they say the tape was the last thing that sent them over the edge

[vast pier]

I really like how the mask turned out

Keeping it to myself, nobody else gets it >:3

[ember leaf]

Meanie

[vast pier]

Also can we admire just how big this gun actually is

It's like comically big

[ember leaf]

Yeah but your fashioning it out of the remains of what is left, your not aiming for weight reduction and precision in the build

it's got a really nice vibe/look for the after times and a home-made

[vast pier]

I mean it's made from a metal pipe and scrap metal, I can't imagine it would be very compact

[ember leaf]

Wouldn't try ducking under low pipes though and be careful in doorways xD

Much respect though, I am still flailing over here banging my head against tables (Lua Tables that is)and trying to get drugs working xD

[vast pier]

like this thing is genuinely comically large

maybe I should shrink it a bit, but at the same time it looks right in the player's hands

I feel like shrinking it would take away from the design

I think it's allowed to be large and clunky due to its nature (improvised gun in an apocalypse)

[bronze yoke]

give passive muscle strain while holding it

[vast pier]

I was actually considering looking into a way to give upper arm strain when firing the stockless version

That's a tube of metal shooting straight back into your shoulder

[vocal vector]

maybe the stock should be at the player's shoulder? that's kind of what you might expect

[ember leaf]

Was going to say that

But then it could just be a limitation, like it looks real nice in terms of a model

[vast pier]

like when holding it or when it's on your back? cuz I don't think you can use a separate model for the back

[vocal vector]

i mean when aiming

if you did decide to resize it, that's what I would aim for

I love the aesthetic by the way, i want random tape for all my guns

[vast pier]

circumcised

[ember leaf]

Think you could get it up to shoulder height stockwise?

Just thinking as if you fire that it may be the same as the non-stock version where it blasts back into your shoulder/collarbone

or is it an animation limitation?

[vast pier]

I'm using the vanilla rifle animations

[ember leaf]

Ah, understood

[vast pier]

Also to be completely fair

my hand placement for the gun is much more accurate than vanilla

[ember leaf]

Yeah, it is xD

Grasping the m14 by a thumb seems a poor move

[vast pier]

now that it's brought up

why is the m14 so tiny

is that just me?

[ember leaf]

Now that you have said it

I have to say, it is very small for a battle rifle

like the m16 doesn't feel nor look like it should be bigger

[vast pier]

I mean it looks small in game too

I feel like my rifle genuinely looks really natural in the character's hands.
It took me quite a bit to realize just how big it is compared to vanilla guns

why are the vanilla guns smol

[ember leaf]

Bob was built like a tank

so all guns were smol

[vast pier]

I do think the stock needed shrinking tho, I feel like it's an improvement

[ember leaf]

I gotta ask, is that a wedding dress or a nightie?

Just out of curiosity

[vast pier]

neither

apron

[ember leaf]

Oh...