mod_development

[ancient grail]

Wait its just an image wheres the link

[tiny pivot]

I didnt know if I was allowed to add the link.

[ancient grail]

This chat allows it . Other chat u cant

[tiny pivot]

gotcha

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2926172521

[fast galleon]

@sour island
is it ok to add this compatibility for lootzed and low screen resolution

require "ISUI/ISPanelJoypad"
local ISPanelJoypad_initialise = ISPanelJoypad.initialise
function ISPanelJoypad:initialise()
    local screenH = getCore():getScreenHeight()
    if self.height > screenH then
        self:setHeightAndParentHeight(screenH)
    end
    return ISPanelJoypad_initialise(self)
end

[tiny pivot]

thanks by the way!

[ancient grail]

Gave you an award for good luck

[sour island]

LootZed has a window? I was trying to figure out how to use it

[ancient grail]

It is it has a panel

[fast galleon]

Enable cheat, right click on container in inventory pane

[sour island]

Ah

[tiny pivot]

Thanks!! your mods are awesome btw FunctionalChainsaw is just epic 😄

[sour island]

And what's going on? the window pops off the side?

[fast galleon]

It expands beyond the limit of screen and the close is outside (below) screen

[pulsar heath]

this is weird

ERROR: General , 1675198106115> java.nio.file.NoSuchFileException: /lua/EasyConfigChuckedServerConfigs/servertest_config

the file ran away 😄

[sour island]

Did I mess up something to cause this issue or?

[sour island]

You have to manally delete the file - the system wants it dead but doesn't get the 'Lua' right

[fast galleon]

default issue

same happens for server statistics debug, but it closes now when I click again on button

[pulsar heath]

i just deleted the host and started a new one

[sour island]

That's a good general fix

[sour island]

You just need to delete those files it mentions - still not sure why it does that

[pulsar heath]

no need to bother with a local test

just make another one 🙂

[ancient grail]

Resolution adjustment is always a pain

Wish every panel is resizeable

Scrollable

Wait jab was writing a css thing

[sour island]

I mean, just have a bigger screen

[ancient grail]

It night improve all the panels

[ancient grail]

But what if its a preference

[sour island]

moving it resets the position with in the bounds but it's too big to fit lol

[ancient grail]

To have the portability

[sour island]

I was being sarcastic 😅

[ancient grail]

Might need to reduce the H. Does it really have to be that tall

I know it shows a list of stuff but item picker doesnt share the same problem

[ancient grail]

Mybad

[pulsar heath]

well my host doesnt work lol

guess ill just hijack the dedicated server to do some testing 😄

but no error...

LOG : General , 1675199007514> SERVER: info@alpine shardop mode enabled
LOG : General , 1675199007514> SERVER: status@UI_ServerStatus_Initialising
LOG : General , 1675199024430> SERVER: process-status@terminated

[red tiger]

@sour island are you trying to do something like what I am working on?

[sour island]

I don't believe so?

I've just been correcting vanilla UI issues with the debug menu

[red tiger]

Ok. Been curious.

[sour island]

the goal was just a debug panel that opened and closed windows using the buttons - but half the UI beahves slightly differently

[red tiger]

I firmly sit in the "rewrite" camp

[sour island]

Some were missing sub function calls

[sour island]

Like just rewrite the entire lua folder?

[red tiger]

Definitely ISUI

If I had the time I could rewrite the codebase.

As you say the UI are slightly different

A lot of unexplained table structs and deprecated / dead code.

[fast galleon]

@sour island global name for util table?

[red tiger]

Some pseudo fields are shadowed too..

[sour island]

Actually not sure about the structure but I was thinking that stuff should be a module

[sour island]

While that would probably be the best course from a programming view, I'm on the fence for a "patch" to basically scrub the vanilla code

[red tiger]

It's a perspective really.. can't ask to simply rewrite a decade of work.

[sour island]

I was going to repo the lua folder to check for changes on releases but it's 30MB+ and I'm not sure if that'd go against ToS

Otherwise you run into the same issues some mods do when vanilla changes stuff and there's no way to tell

[red tiger]

The Typescript was an unspoken gesture to modders and the devs to lift parts of the Lua code to Typescript over time as a means of cleaning up the code.

It was a way that I could make this sort of project realistic.

[sour island]

I'm not really familiar with typescript but how would it be different to rewriting all the Lua files?

[red tiger]

It's foolish though to expect that to happen.

[red tiger]

Typescript has guardrails and type safety

[sour island]

Like conceivably the entire patch could be 1 giant Lua overwrite

[red tiger]

It enforces consistency with types.

[fast galleon]

hm, is it ok to have different commits in pull request?

[red tiger]

I don't expect humans to keep track of code this big.. and almost no one documents their code.

[sour island]

Yes the PR is for the branch itself

[sour island]

That is true, and I could have been doing a better job of documenting changes - as in why/how

[red tiger]

I can tell that you care about the quality of your work.

Even still, less opportunities for human error is always a good thing.

[sour island]

True

Would it be possible to adopt typescript later or would this be something to do now?

[red tiger]

Ten years and many hands on code can really challenge the ability to keep code clean and bug-free.

[red tiger]

Both.

You could type one file and have it work with the rest.

It compiles to Lua

You can write interfaces to call native Lua code.

The two caveats ATM is TSTL class metadata not working in a friendly way with PZ's class implementation in Lua and my types generator not seeing 100% of the PZ Lua code due to different code patterns.

(both being things that can be worked out)

Hopefully this helps clarify my position on the matter @sour island

[sour island]

It does

I was able to upload the vanilla lua as a repo - much of the file size was due to translations which gitignore can skip

[red tiger]

Thanks for entertaining the idea. I can eventually look at your project and possibly make typings for it.

[sour island]

I don't mind anything that can help - I'm just wary of another new language or tool 😅

If I new how gradle worked I'd try to make the libraries process basically an exe or plugin for intelliJ or other platforms

[red tiger]

Heheheh.. Spending 7 months on a project to approach the same problems that you are working on, I'd have to at least let you know.

[red tiger]

Heh. I roughly know gradle and I know Kotlin.

maven too.

gradle is pretty tough for people new to it.. heck it's still mean to me.

I should have both groovy gradle and Kotlin gradle scripts on my repo if you need to take a look and see how at least I'm using it.

x)

[sour island]

Are you using them to decompile the game as well?

[red tiger]

No. I do this manually.

Each Java container I decompile I clean it up and remove decompilation errors.

[drifting ore]

okay i've gotten as far as setting a tile to light up on left click from player. also don't have a problem in assigning a location to be a specific object. but now i'm struggling with detecting the light source and essentially undoing it... any ideas? or a way to store the previous value from setting the light so i can set a toggle that changes that tiles specific values back to rgb 0, 0, 0, light strength 0?

[red tiger]

I could write something like MCP for PZ where the code is decompiled then patched to compile automagically.. but that would be the easiest way to get nuked by the devs.

I wouldn't see them as lenient on such a tool like Mojang was for Minecraft then.

[drifting ore]

we are close to not even caring about room defs when it comes to using lightswitches lol

[sour island]

At some point CAPSID could run the game through intelliJ for break point use

I stopped doing that though

[red tiger]

I can do that but it requires stupid amounts of tweaks to do.

[sour island]

hasn't really hurt me not having it

[red tiger]

Not sure though why one would need to decompile the entire Java code for the game.

If you know your tools, you should only need to do it fully when modifying it.

[sour island]

I use it for intelliSense

[red tiger]

Ah.

Is this how those Lua tools works?

[sour island]

The old CAPSID/PZDOC project still works

[red tiger]

I know that a few Lua containers in the PZ code say they were generated using IntelliJ

[sour island]

I imagine that's what the devs use for that to appear

[red tiger]

Probably.

Hahahaha I really need to stop playing the same drum beat in my head of.. "Oh.. yeah I have PipeWrench."

[sour island]

But the PZ-Libraries / CAPSID/PZDOC decompiles the classes and makes Lua referenceable classes and functions from what's exposed

[drifting ore]

i can confidently say that those java libs have been half the reason i even understand how to code in lua with pz lol

then again i am a noob mcnoob

[red tiger]

That's what concerns me about PZ modding.

[drifting ore]

fair enough LOL yea it's tricky

[red tiger]

It's a steep learning curve.

[drifting ore]

i do research for around 6-8 hours a day almost every day in my job so i'm just used to having to do way too much research to get a simple answer 😄

[red tiger]

It's pen-testing, ethical hacking practices and reverse engineering knowledge that got me over the hump easier.

[drifting ore]

i thought about easier ways though. i'm trying to document as much as i can to gather a crap ton of use cases for other noobs atm

[red tiger]

You know it's funny..

[drifting ore]

lolol

threads op

[red tiger]

I've said it several times in here now however I wrote a format that allows people to write 3rd party documentation for my TS environment.. Perhaps I can extend a branch over to the Lua community to have that forwarded.

[drifting ore]

the more examples i can gather the easier it should be for someone new to pz to jump right in with a crap ton of examples

ooo

[red tiger]

Who better to document the code than the people who use it the most.

[drifting ore]

sometimes i have chat gpt document things and then i go back and reference how it's used and will write my own notes lol. i love that idea

it would be sick to see some good documentation

or at least decent

[red tiger]

One sec.. finding the same silly picture i've posted here a hundred times.

[sour island]

It is neat seeing the changes between branches using github

alot more tweaks than I realized

between 41.71 and 41.78

[red tiger]

It's neat seeing PZ's API changes in my git diffs.

It's a resource that roughly no one knows about. :3

[sour island]

What's that look like?

[red tiger]

We see all changes.

[sour island]

Like a hosted decompiled src?

[red tiger]

https://github.com/asledgehammer/PipeWrench/commit/b2d5852b62a6b02dce26a3414a913bc3e409243a

[red tiger]

Nope.

[sour island]

Ah for your own project

[red tiger]

It'll show you the changes in PipeWrench's typings that reflects all API for the game.

You're looking at PZ's API calls being modified, removed, added, etc.

[sour island]

@iron salmon Is hosting the game's lua files on GitHub for change tracking against ToS? https://github.com/ChuckTheSheep/ProjectZomboid-Vanilla-Lua

[red tiger]

You don't see this level of detail for patch notes.

I've seen people host decompiles on github.. also with cheats. I've reported them and seen nothing happen.

It's generally bad to do this and legal action is definitely something if the offended party cares enough. (And should honestly)

[sour island]

For the modified java stuff/cheats?

[red tiger]

For hosting decompiled code publicly and for hosting code that exposes / contains PZ's Java code along with hooks for cheats.

All you can do is report it.

The only reason I cared to know about these repositories is because of the anti-cheat patch I made last year.

All of my sensitive research of the game's networking protocol and file formats are private repos. Only I and a few trusted are able to view / push code to it.

IMHO if you ever get that deep @sour island , keep all of that stuff private and locked down.

It becomes nightmare fuel if you expose a vulnerability to the game and it gets leaked.

[sour island]

This is the lua that comes with the game - unless you mean the decompiling stuff

[red tiger]

I mean Java stuff.

[sour island]

Hard to prevent people with enough know-how

[red tiger]

Can't do anything about that on its own. You can do something about it if you can modify the game to prevent exploits.

PZ is a great sandbox for when these sorts of issues pops up every now and then.

Great security practice / exercises. A buddy of mine is rewriting some of the network layer on his server.

[sour island]

I should also mention - almost 99% of the debug functions don't check for debug or admin, they just trust the UI isn't visible 😅

[red tiger]

Oh yeah absolutely.

That's why I had to write sanity checks in the Java code for the ClientManager packet.

[sour island]

Is there a way to ensure one's mod is loaded last?

I'm thinking the patch should overwrite anything else unless they call on the patch

@fast galleon I'm still seeing issues with lootZed btw

[ancient grail]

https://www.twitch.tv/them3ss

supporting m3ss

[sour island]

ah I think the issue is when changing window size after opening lootZed

yep that's it

there's also issues with other windows being kept off the edge of the map

[red tiger]

The screen?

[sour island]

Yeah

if you change your window size layouts are maintained regardless

even the inventory is off screen

[fast galleon]

I notices the statistics was too big, but it probably needs to be bigger as it have more elements. I just had that fix for lootzed already.

[red tiger]

True.

[sour island]

Nah it works - the issue was how I was testing it

or well, how I tested it revealed more issues

This is honestly a good candidate for !patch

rather than debug tools

But I'm starting to see having 3 separate mods might be more confusing/work 😅

Would have to make each sub-mod compatible if it touches the same stuff

[fast galleon]

lootzed is debug tool, so it felt more appropriate.

[sour island]

Yes but this is an issue with all windows

[fast galleon]

Resizing does cause indeed issues for other things too

some mods also throw errors

[sour island]

with debug tools?

[fast galleon]

no, my mod collection

ModManager maybe

[red tiger]

Haha

That reminds me.. I'll probably release a fancy mod loader for server-specific mod content to the public.

It's a simple request API that bounces code from the server to the client, all written in Lua code. It's useful for reloading content without rebooting the server.

[drifting stump]

resizing is something addressed by me

and there should be no overlap between the different mods

debug tools depending on the framework is perfectly reasonable

[terse locust]

I'm just curious, how hard would it be to make a mod (with absolutely no knowledge) for escape ropes to take less time to climb?

Its pretty specific so I don't think they exist

[drifting ore]

relative question really. is it possible? most likely. really depends on the effort you put in to learn how that stuff works or if someone is willing to give you exactly what you need. here is the timed action for climbing sheetropes though. you can use this to trace whats used to determine how you'd need to edit it to your specifications. other than that i'd check the pins for guides and stuff to at least get a basic understand of what you are even doing though.
here is the vanilla lua code for timed action for climbing sheetropes.

here is a guide on making mods
https://github.com/FWolfe/Zomboid-Modding-Guide

other than that, once you start making headway into understand anything at all. ask questions here and you will start to make sense out of it all

there is no "one size fits all" guide though.

also almost all links for most guides out there.
#mod_development message

[fast galleon]

Climb sheet rope is a java state, mostly locked.

[drifting ore]

now that you mention it also. i dont think there is many ways to speed up char is there?

[fast galleon]

I think those are edited by changing the animation XML though.

[terse locust]

hmm

I'll probably just leave it for now xD

I'm taking a java course in school but I got no info on LUA and its a relatively beginner java course

[drifting ore]

still fun to try stuff out though really

[terse locust]

Probably

I tried learning c# which I got to like a beginner level which helped me get ahead of my java class but my teacher isn't the best

For now I'll probably only make a mod if I want something that I can't already find

The rope isn't a huge deal :)

[drifting ore]

well if you get bored, i challenge you to try to find way to do what you are trying

some concepts (unless someone smart like poltergeist or other tells you otherwise) it's fun to come up with out of the box ways to do things

[terse locust]

Yep, thanks for the advice though either way

[red tiger]

Didn't co' make a climbing ladders mod?

Maybe look at that.

[autumn garnet]

Yes and the mod ladders by Co' work perfectly , I never stopped using it in multi

[red tiger]

Can someone remind me of what exactly broke radios?

Something about the location of players being taken out correct?

[sour island]

From what was said yesterday if someone logins in away from someone else they can't speak over radio until they get close to eachother

[red tiger]

Ah so the client A doesn't know that client B logged on.

Looks like it'll take a deeper dive for me at another point in time to investigate and produce a fix for it.

[drifting ore]

yea and it was tied with the fix for playerlist to non admins

[red tiger]

I believe that either location data or a channel listening list / array isn't populating or isn't calculating due to the missing info.

[drifting ore]

not sure if directly related but it was all at the same time

[red tiger]

Someone offered me a bounty for this so if anyone else is interested, there might be some people happy to fund this as a community-patch.

I'm not rly interested in this patch being a commission.

It's a fun problem though.

A fix like this should be for everyone tbh.

[drifting ore]

the range is also 1k almost exactly btw. if you outside of that range upon login is when they dont work

[red tiger]

I've listed my initial suspects for what's causing this. =)

Either location-based or login-notify based.

Makes sense that it could be both.

[sacred matrix]

I'm having trouble adding a custom sprite to the world using Lua. I:

• created a custom texture pack (testpack.pack made from testpack.png)
• created a tile definition (testpack.tiles with testpack added)
• added pack=testpack and tiledef=testpack 896 to mod.info

When I load in the sprite using the name testpack_01 as the name, it's blank.

However, using the sprite name of e.g. location_community_cemetary_01_31 works (and shows a pole).

Any suggestions?

[drifting ore]

have you tried just using the tile painter to see how the tile looks from the tile manager?

in admin or debug you can goto cheats and use tile manager

then right click and use the tile manager and search for your tile pack

if you see anything wrong in there, then you def setup the tile pack wrong. also try a high number for your tiledef identifier just to be safe imo

pretty sure you can use up to 10000

[sacred matrix]

Thanks for the pointers, I'll check. 🙂

[red tiger]

Oh cool. GameMode enum now.

[drifting ore]

also tile.pack goes into texturepacks folder inside of media, and the .tiles goes right into media. not sure if you did that

[sacred matrix]

OK, so I see the tiles in the tile manager. I figure I must be using the wrong sprite name/texture name?

[drifting ore]

most likely im thinking

you can see the name in the tile manager

almost certain

[sacred matrix]

Tile Manager as in the one in Tilezed, or some debug system in game..?

[drifting ore]

admin/debug

[pastel loom]

Hey, how are you doing?

I'm new here to this discord. But not the game itself.

Anyway. Have you guys tried the "STALKER Functional Exoskeletons REFORGED" Modification?

[sacred matrix]

OK, found the issue. I was using testpack_01 and it should be testpack_1.

[red tiger]

Finishing up decompiling and cleaning up the ZomboidRadio class.

Cleaning up compiler artifacts..

[sour island]

I also did a thing

tying into a 'onResolutionChange' event

but it's breaking windows lol

[drifting ore]

#mod_support

[pastel loom]

Ah, I'm sowwy

[drifting ore]

all good just get more responses there 🙂

[red tiger]

The table that you send to UIElement should have a function called ```lua
function MyElement:onresize(oldW, oldH, newW, newH)
-- ...
end

It's hooked into via Java-side.

[sour island]

is that resize of the element or resize of the window?

[red tiger]

if (this.getTable() != null && this.getTable().rawget("onResize") != null) {
      LuaManager.caller.pcallvoid(
          UIManager.getDefaultThread(),
          this.getTable().rawget("onResize"),
          this.table,
          this.getWidth(),
          this.getHeight());
    }

onResize.. mb

Been a second..

I guess this one only sends the new width and height.

[sour island]

I think the issue is trying to make every isuielement follow the rule lol

going to scale it back to the debug windows themselves

[red tiger]

Just letting you know that's a thing.

[sour island]

So I should call that after?

to prevent squishing?

[red tiger]

No. It is called apparently when the element resizes.

Or the screen. One of the two.

[sour island]

it's when the element is resized

there's this - function MainScreen.onResolutionChange(oldw, oldh, neww, newh)

and a few other windows have this

but they're added into the event

Events.OnResolutionChange.Add(MainScreen.onResolutionChange)

it's not a default behavior for all windows

[red tiger]

Ah. Mixed em up.

One thing I really dislike about UIElement Lua hooks: the color order of parameters.

ARGB in Lua but RGBA in Java.

Should be RGBA IMO. Me thinks a TIS developer who wrote the original interface for the Lua side in ISUIElement previously worked with DirectX.

[sour island]

more likely to change A than RGB perhaps?

[red tiger]

Oh the order is up to the person implementing the API.

ARGB is more the norm in DirectX land.

[sour island]

I meant if you're changing alpha more often, typing out nil, nil, nil, 0.8 could get tedious

although creating a sister function would be wiser in that case

[red tiger]

There's no null checks for individual color values on the other end of that call.

(At least that I recall. I've been modifying these draw calls on the Java side as of late)

Oh wait.. There's a static tempColor object. My guess is the last colors are used.

Sort of dirty code there IMO.

It's bad to uhh sanity-check render code calls.. otherwise I'd say to absolutely do that. =(

assert all the vars..

[sour island]

Going to try and do something dirty my self 😉

if a uiElement has no parent try to fit it onto the screen - and then apply the same logic for all its children but instead use the parent in lieu of the screen size

[red tiger]

When a person comes into range of a person with a radio and then goes outside that range, does the radio act the way it should or does it break?

[sour island]

I'm not familiar with the issue tbh

[red tiger]

Okay. Thanks.

[sour island]

@drifting ore

Nippytime — Yesterday at 7:27 PM
last patch or so
been around for a few months now ish
most don't notice because they logout together when they play together
so when they login they are within non radio range and the radios work fine
but if you login out of 1k range they dont work until you meet face to face
or close to that
@red tiger

[red tiger]

Thanks. Answers my question so far.

Probably this calculating it: ```java
private boolean DeviceInRange(int var1, int var2, int var3, int var4, int var5) {
return var1 > var3 - var5
&& var1 < var3 + var5
&& var2 > var4 - var5
&& var2 < var4 + var5
&& Math.sqrt(Math.pow(var1 - var3, 2.0) + Math.pow(var2 - var4, 2.0)) < (double) var5;
}

[faint jewel]

is there ANY way to refresh animations ingame? this restarting is for the damned BIRDS

[red tiger]

This is a square radius range check + exponential dropoff calculation.

Also:

  private int GetDistance(int x1, int y1, int x2, int y2) {
    return (int) Math.sqrt(Math.pow(x1 - x2, 2.0) + Math.pow(y1 - y2, 2.0));
  }

Redundant though because IsoUtils?

ZomboidRadio is weird. o_O

So I'm thinking the issue might be on the client-side.

I'm saying this because the code for players and their radio devices looks to be registering just fine.

My guess is that players receiving signal data when logged in and out of range don't have a device instance ready to handle along with the signal. =(

[dark wedge]

The game will reload animations and actions for me when I start the game with "-nosteam -debug"
New stuff needs a restart though

[faint jewel]

it does NOT for me and i AM in debug

i'm trying to fix a twitchy hand animation.

and it's NOT working.

:/

[dark wedge]

It only works for me when I "-nosteam" it too

[faint jewel]

well fook.

lol

so it needs to be in the mod folder instead of workshop?

[dark wedge]

Yup. I personally just symlink it from workshop to mods so I can switch as needed

[faint jewel]

a /J symlinkl?

[dark wedge]

Oh, I'm on Linux. I'd have to look it up for Windows. Ha

[faint jewel]

mklink Link Target

Use /D when you want to create a soft link pointing to a directory. like so:

mklink /D Link Target

Use /H when you want to create a hard link pointing to a file:

mklink /H Link Target

Use /J to create a hard link pointing to a directory, also known as a directory junction:

mklink /J Link Target```

[red tiger]

oof.

[dark wedge]

Ah, /D or /J work here.

[red tiger]

PZ Java code needs to calm down with condition block conditions

Hahaha

I think I just verified the cause of why radios break from the update. =)

[faint jewel]

did all that and the anim still wont update.

[red tiger]

@drifting ore I think yall were spot-on with the cause of radios breaking.

[dark wedge]

Are you using ".x" files or ".fbx" for your animations? I've only ever tried with ".x" and the action xmls, maybe doesn't work with ".fbx"?

[faint jewel]

all the other models do :/

is that a working . x exporter for blender?

[drifting stump]

when the window is resized

[sour island]

I did a thing

[dark wedge]

Not that I know of that works

[faint jewel]

well not we go BACK to the issue i have lol.

[drifting ore]

Oh yea?

[sour island]

cute little windows

[drifting stump]

however if i remember correctly didnt the entire lua reload when changing resolution

[red tiger]

Yes. I did a code dive into ZomboidRadio where I suspected where the issue ends up affecting things. I then went to the packet code for player info being sent to the client and this stuff seems to line up.

[drifting ore]

Explains why giving admin fixes it also since admin has access to players

[sour island]

I don't believe so - changing the window only calls for certain events

[red tiger]

This is a very good thing.

[sour island]

I tried applying my resizer function to all elements but it breaks a few things lol

[drifting stump]

im still think thonking how im going to deal with it automatically

[nova socket]

Question: Is there a way to override item category from Base, doing so in mod does seem to override item, but leaves item category to what it is in Base?

[drifting stump]

anyway i already scale my uis to the resolution

[drifting ore]

Only problem in my case is I use cheat menu and it gives access until dc after you get elevated privs

[red tiger]

Unrelated?

[drifting ore]

Which I don’t want others so it makes that quick fix not really a fix

Yes

[drifting ore]

Unrelated

[red tiger]

Ah ok.

Yeah so I suspect the fix to be very easy to implement.

[drifting stump]

would just be a matter of tying the position calculation to the event

[drifting ore]

Nice

[red tiger]

All I need to do is push player data to connecting players. (I think)

[sour island]

When I design UIs I usually make everything scaled to fit the size of the window - it's nice to be able to just change the size of the window and ahve all the children fit accordingly

[red tiger]

Just one push

[drifting stump]

yep

[red tiger]

Player wave signals are tied to player instances which populate based off of the server sending player data via request packets. =)

[drifting stump]

but i take it a step further with

local FONT_SCALE = FONT_HGT_SMALL / 14

and everything scales off this

this will be a key part of the new ui system too

[red tiger]

@drifting ore Are you able to test a patch?

[drifting stump]

no more broken uis with different font sizes

[vast nacelle]

Just to doublecheck, changing the 'name' field in the '.info' file during an update won't mess anything up, right? Mod won't get deactivated? I'd hope nothing uses name for identification when there's an 'id' field.

[drifting stump]

14 is the height of the small font at 1080p btw

[wet sandal]

What's up modders? Modding hard or hardly modding?

[sour island]

Same - I account for font height in my windows lol

[drifting ore]

I can shortly when I get back

[red tiger]

I'm not sure if I can produce a patch at this time.

[wet sandal]

I'll interpret this as modding hard

[red tiger]

Am I silly? I must've misinterpreted the issue.. Is it that the radios shouldn't be working in a non-radio range? (>1K tiles)?

@drifting ore

I read that description of yours and somehow inverted the logic

Going to take a break from it but I have more understanding of the networking and updating of radios so maybe I can still fix the actual problem lol

[drifting ore]

Radios just don’t work as normal if you log in to the server over 1k tiles away from another person who logged in. If you never meet face to face or a reasonably close distance at least, (not sure exactly) then you will not be able to communicate over radio

[red tiger]

Oh okay so it is like how I originally read that.

[drifting ore]

This isn’t all exact btw, just roughly my findings after 2 days of testing

[red tiger]

Okay well I can patch one file.

[sour island]

Got it working on all elements

tries to match x/y/w/h when possible

children are scaled to the parent

I wonder if I can tap into fontsize

Now users can play on their apple watches in peace

[red tiger]

I can see that you're having fun.

Okay @drifting ore I sent you a DM with the experimental patch.

[red tiger]

Just wait until I get my CSS code for that HTML project working to support activating / deactivating CSS rules when adjusting the screen size.

Bootstrap when?

[weak sierra]

<150

"reality bubble" around a player

[weak sierra]

when you go to use a walkie it should work up to the rated walkie range (though i don't care if this is lost and they just work globally across the map), but instead it only works if you've met up and they've entered the reality bubble first - this information is then lost on death or relog, so you have to meet up with your team of people every time you wanna talk to them and every time you die and any time you relog.

works for admins tho.

same with getOnlinePlayers also

done around same time

but afaik not directly related, just same reasons

[red tiger]

So I'll explain what the patch does. It disables a condition block checking if either the player requesting a player's data is staff or is in that relative bubble. This data request is IIRC requested after either the player enters as alive after death and login.

[weak sierra]

you made the patch already?

giv

lol

notices the lines below where she'd read to

[drifting ore]

He been doing it today haha

[weak sierra]

im sick so i've been fuckin useless and haven't made the sandbox fix yet

:/

[red tiger]

A player doesn't receive the data otherwise. The radio engine (which covers walkies) handles the requests and incoming radio data by reflecting on a players list for the client which is affected by not receiving that player data.

[weak sierra]

the weird thing is it gives you the list for the scoreboard

i guess it's not the same format or storage location

perhaps lacks the positions

[red tiger]

I can't test this patch but with what everyone has said breaks and unbreaks this issue, the check I disabled has all of those conditions.

[weak sierra]

i can test it

👍

[red tiger]

I'll DM you it.

[weak sierra]

tyu

[red tiger]

If it doesn't work, oh well. Can always look into other code.

But with three hours of reading into logic and following it throughout the client and server, I think this has a chance to work.

[weak sierra]

based on what i know about the symptoms what you described sounds like a very very likely candidate

[red tiger]

🤞

[idle dawn]

I think multiplayer was a big misunderstanding.

This map is like... bigger then the state of texus and Altis from Arma3 combined... and yet there's nothing here but all these zumbebs.

The secret java men is holding us back! No wonder this feels like a simulation!

That being said, it's honestly impressive that this game had any sort of clean multiplayer implementation down the line.

Typically when you plan for multiplayer, you better program that shit with it in mind from the start.

(It's why I always make systems in mind with this just in case.)

[red tiger]

And this is what drove my endless supply of insanity energy to make Typescript modding a thing so I can plan and scale with proper OOP.

[idle dawn]

Outside of the fact we are decompiling the game itself, and legal, what's stopping us from going all open source fu on this?

[red tiger]

Lawsuits.

[idle dawn]

Well, not exactly what I mean.

But some wack job made skyrim multiplayer.

There's a lot of access to internals.

[red tiger]

I originally found out about this game in 2012-2013 because friends asked me if I could mod multiplayer. Real story.

[idle dawn]

nice.

[red tiger]

They actually thought I could do it.

I never bought this game. They gifted me it.

[idle dawn]

As for multiplayer and desync... mmmm

Netcode and the architecture, how things are programmed.

It's p fuckin important.

[red tiger]

Yeah. A buddy of mine is rewriting a lot of that under the hood networking stuff to be multi-threaded with RakNet.

[idle dawn]

usually when a project gets an unexpected late multiplayer, it means they decided to netcode possibly 80% of the game state into the server.

Which even small games can choke on our copper cables.

Oh, and yeah, single threaded, we might be 32 bit still?

[red tiger]

If you want my opinion on PZ with multiplayer, I say that the server code and client code should be separate for all entity classes in the game. AKA ServerIsoPlayer, ClientIsoPlayer, and a commons abstract IsoPlayer.

[idle dawn]

Shit is cave man tech at this point.

Well.

Normally, both the client and the server should interpret the same entity differently.

And pick and choose very specific things to replicate.

The server should be running exactly 0 code that has to do with rendering and animation and visible states, for example.

[red tiger]

Mixing the code with isClient / isServer checks throughout easily gets messy.

[idle dawn]

In Lua, yes. You need to program from the ground up and put it in the respective folder.

[red tiger]

(It's a critique, not a stab at the game)

[idle dawn]

When I work in Unreal Engine, we have the benefit of replication so the engine sort of does everything for us, but funny enough, it's extremely easy to break it too.

Because we have too much control.

[red tiger]

I've made quite the list of critiques over the past decade of modding and playing this game. The big difference though between me and my friends / others I know who have their opinions is that I acted on my critiques by writing tools and examples of how to overcome those problems.

[idle dawn]

I'm more of a build from the ground up sort of person.

It's very awesome the passion people put into very long projects like these.

[red tiger]

Architect?

[idle dawn]

But making a project at all, you need to plan within.... 4-5 years or so.

No, star citizen is not a game.

It's a fucking experiment.

It's not following any principles of game design or industry at all.

[idle dawn]

Game Designer.

But ye.

[red tiger]

I still like that PZ was daring enough to write their own engine.

It's a big plus IMO.

[idle dawn]

Oh no like I said, this is a really good game and project, and the love over huge time is great.

But we have a word.

And everyone hates it.

Sometimes a pity, but one all tech boys must weep from.

Technical Debt.

Avoid it early, avoid it often.

Practice safe programming.

Or you'll pay for it later.

In child support.

[red tiger]

A lot of words to simply say "Plan ahead" xD

[idle dawn]

Ye.

I wanna see a pre production plan.

Before a single line is written.

I want.

M A C H I N A T I O N S

[red tiger]

I wanna see an army of modders writing in Typescript.

[idle dawn]

I'm here not knowing what the fuck a typescript is.

Is it just Lua plus?

[red tiger]

Hahaha

[idle dawn]

C# is better then lua technically anyways.

[red tiger]

Typescript is a language designed to compile to other languages, mainly JavaScript. It can compile into languages like Lua with third-party projects.

[idle dawn]

Lua is great for simplicty, starting out, and game scripting purposes.

Honestly really great, like... I'd honestly do what blizzard did and just straight up have UI be written straight in Lua or some shit like that.

[red tiger]

It's a big language in the web industry / node.

[idle dawn]

Aaaah.

I see.

Sounds p neat.

Flexible too.

[red tiger]

If you want guardrails and type safety checking, go for it.

Oh and OOP.

[idle dawn]

C# is the daddy's house of OOP compared probably.

Everything is absolutely fucking strict.

You better know what metadata is.

[red tiger]

Lua is good for small-scale things.

Nothing bigger than a few thousand lines at most IMHO.

Anything larger needs structure.

[idle dawn]

Yeeee.

It's possible in lua and I really like it.

But the whole point is simplicity.

Keep it's endpoint similar in scope.

PLUS.

It's amazing for teaching programming too.

[red tiger]

That's whyyy I'm writing my HTML render engine project in TS.

[idle dawn]

Just basic principles.

Love2D I think isn't too bad for that sort of thing. Learning how to do something in a no-holding-hands environment.

Can actually make something without worrying about

class structuruurres

muh

metadata constructors I gotta make on my owwwwn.

[red tiger]

Thought Python was really gunning to be that language.

[idle dawn]

It ended up being too inbetween, and not worth in performance.

BUT

I've seen so much use in technical stuff.

AI, web, complex stuff.

Now of course.

The 5d kings gambit of mainline programming.

C++

If you can work it, and you can reliably go from A to Z on project with it.

Absolutely killer.

But it takes some time and while C# helps, it's not all to it.

C# I'm p sure was made to be the simplification of C++.

Or at least, not take 4 years of the programmer struggle to find good practices and methods of doing things.

Def one of those things you slowly want to transition to once the feet are thoroughly wet.

If you want to play the dante must die mode of programming you can try out ass fuck or whatever the name of it is.

Here's piet code that interprets brainfuck.

As reference material.

[upbeat harness]

any ideas?

[humble oriole]

Hey @sour island do you have a second for me to DM you?

[fair current]

Is it difficult to create a radio mod that is just text?

[cosmic condor]

not very difficult, but tedious

[cosmic condor]

follow this guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv7N7gmowWU

[polar thicket]

If I want our mod to contain a new type of magazine to learn the recipes tied to the mod. What files would I add and what code is needed?

To make it spawn and work?

[neon bronze]

Define it as an item + what recipe it teaches + the recipe itself which will be learnt from it + Distributions and ProceduralDistributions need to be altered

The distributions have regular lua lists in them so you can just insert your item in them + the chance of spawning

You can then mess around in LootZed to see the spawn chances as a percentage

[jaunty marten]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=108600&searchtext=new+recipes

[drifting ore]

by golly i did it

encoding....

sorry looks like it's too large for embed

redo!

not good with this gif making stuff lol

[finite radish]

so it IS possible. i kinda had a hunch that would work out. awesome work!

[drifting ore]

yea get this

[finite radish]

gifs are ancient, just record a video

[drifting ore]

0 lines of code

[finite radish]

[drifting ore]

tile properties yet again

all whatever is hardcoded is what i used

[finite radish]

how'd you do that via tile properties? I haven't looked at the code, but I thought I saw that the room lights require a roomdef (which player constructions don't have, right?)

[drifting ore]

turned the lightswitch into a lamp essentially

with a light radius of 10

just working on the bulb part and im good to go

[finite radish]

oh I see, damn. I thought you actually made a "real" room light somehow without code, but that makes more sense. that's clever, although I imagine it may not work as well once the lighting update comes out with B42

that's awesome either way though

[drifting ore]

it actually works better than the current lighting if i were to be honest. but then again i just made a giant radius knowing the walls block the light anyways

pretty stoked though, instantly levels up my mod

[polar thicket]

Where do I find templates for these things? Our mod already contains the items and their crafting recipes.

[jaunty marten]

[neon bronze]

Look at the vanilla hunting magz

I think they teach the trap recipes

[drifting ore]

here we go i think this will embed this time
https://imgur.com/a/xoc063B

[polar thicket]

Will do!

[polar thicket]

The recipe and the items crafted in our mod is already there. I just need info about making spawnable magazine items to teach them. Not the recipes themselves

[jaunty marten]

which is why I sent you this link lol

may be better https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse/?appid=108600&searchtext=new+recipes+magazines

[polar thicket]

Thx. Will take a look at some of these magazine mods

[tardy wren]

Okay, I have a very bad idea

I need to remove a player's map_sand.bin file from their local copy of the save every time they log onto a server, because that fucker doesn't update properly

[viral vale]

Hey all, I made a mod awhile back but I am really not a competent coder, I was wondering if anyone could help me out because otherwise I don't think I can fix this. I haven't touched the code at all in a few months and I was reportedly fine until the latest update: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2874678809 Here is also a pastebin that someone put in the comments: https://pastebin.com/EkFTUe6j

[neon bronze]

Well i can tell you this much: you are indexing something that is not a table in main.lua on #73

[drifting ore]

    local timeToTalk = zombieData.talkTimer:tick()

it seems like it doesn't work the same way anymore

[viral vale]

Ahhh shit... Would anyone be able to help me fix this? I'm not really sure what to do without destroying everything

[drifting ore]

well you are calling a global timer

from another file of yours

as part of talkTimer

[jaunty marten]

u need to create module instead just require the timer file

it can cause problem due to other mods can use same global name for it

[viral vale]

Not really sure how to do it any other way, my code was based off something else because I have basically no coding experience really

[jaunty marten]

I too use timer global name for my timers lib and mb this mate have my mod

in ur timer.lua change timer = {} to local timer = {} and add return timer to the end of this file

in main.lua instead require "timer" do local timer = require("timer")

this way don't have 100% chance to fix it but it can be

cos code looks fine

[viral vale]

I'll try it out

Thank you very much

[jaunty marten]

[viral vale]

So any time it says timer, just make it say local timer instead?

[jaunty marten]

not for all, just do like I said

[jaunty marten]

when u returning local table in the end of ur file - u creating module instead creating some global one, after u requiring it (lua returns ur module) and it will be done as local instead global so it won't collide with same global variable

[drifting ore]

they know even less than me lol

[viral vale]

I know nothing

[jaunty marten]

it's fine

[viral vale]

I bashed my head on a keyboard for hours and I managed to make it work

But I don't think I can solve this lol

I assume the "main.lua" file is the issue though

[jaunty marten]

hah

btw yea

better to name each file by some unique name

or just create folder with unique name and then there can use any name of files

btw may be problem with name of timer.lua

too simple name

I think it's more likely to cause a conflict

[viral vale]

If I rename it, and fix that in the code elsewhere, it could fix it?

[bronze yoke]

this is sort of pandora's box because renaming a file is going to cause big issues for servers

[jaunty marten]

btw u know what u should never delete any lua files from ur mod after workshop publish, hats off to you

[bronze yoke]

you can replace it with an empty one instead but then it's going to replace all timer.luas with a blank file so it doesn't fully solve the original issue with having a generic file name

[jaunty marten]

btw it's single error that ppl sent u in workshop comments?

I just thought if timer.lua will be problem then error have to be raised on timer:new

[viral vale]

Not sure, 2 days ago people have been saying that is has been causing issues

Haven't updated my mod since 21st of October with minimal complaints of any issues

[jaunty marten]

I'm playing with ur mod and 50+ (mb even 100+ idk) other one, it's fine for me so strange bug

at least u just can add condition if not zombieData.talkTimer then return end but it's won't solve the original problem

just a crutch

[drifting ore]

i'm gonna guess you used another mod or something as your template that also required that same file lol? and those people are using both

[viral vale]

The other mod only has like 2000 subscribers, so i'm doubting that is the case. I editted that one to create mine

[drifting ore]

i mean you just had someone say they are using your mod with no issues

so that is more likely than anything really

[viral vale]

Hmmm

[bronze yoke]

there haven't been updates so issues suddenly coming up is absolutely a mod conflict

[viral vale]

Like 5 recent complaints out of nowhere :O? Errr, must be a new mod then or something?

[ancient grail]

Ow lingering uses lua timers? Interesting

[open drum]

Hi everyone

[ancient grail]

Hello

[open drum]

i just created a code using chatgpt

and wanted to see if this is actually working

local item_id = "item_id" -- The ID of the item you want to spawn
local x, y = 0, 0 -- The x and y coordinates of where you want to spawn the item

local item = IsoObject.new(x, y, 0) -- Create a new IsoObject at the specified coordinates
item:setType(item_id) -- Set the type of the item to the specified item ID
item:setName("Item Name") -- Set the name of the item
item:setDesc("Item Description") -- Set the description of the item

-- Add the item to the world
Map objectMap = getWorld():getMap()
objectMap:addObject(item, x, y, 0, 0)

[jaunty marten]

nope, own lib

[open drum]

Is this code actually legit workable code?

cuz it's helpful on learning if it's actually working code

[bronze yoke]

no

[open drum]

thought so.. cuz there's some methods that doesn't exist on the API

[viral vale]

Don't think I can solve my issue then, if anyone could create a fix that would be greatly appreciated, otherwise i'll probably just leave the mod as is since I can't create a fix

[jaunty marten]

as I said u can try to create new files but with 100% unique name (just add name/id of ur mod to name of ur files) and leave empty old files as u did with ur settings.lua file

[open drum]

i just love how active this place is. I really appreciate all you guys for helping

im learning alot

[cosmic condor]

You can try to fine-tune a GPT model. They offer some free credit

[viral vale]

Your over estimating my ability to understand lol, I don't know how to do anything

[jaunty marten]

how did u create this mod? ha-ha

[viral vale]

Duct tape and head smacking

And trying shit til it worked

I don't know nothin'

[jaunty marten]

copy each ur lua file but give them unique name

[open drum]

true true

[viral vale]

So if I make duplicates of all of the files, have it so that all those old files are empty, then add "LW-" before all of the names of the duplicate ones, then anytime they are called in other code, I change them to call the LW- variants, should it work?

[open drum]

also it kinda helps me where to start

[jaunty marten]

hmmm btw I thinking will it can be cause issue for other mods 🤔

bruhh, bad situation

[viral vale]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[jaunty marten]

but anyway it's single way so nothing to do more

[jaunty marten]

yea, duplicate all files and give new unique name for each, like main.lua > lingering_whispers_main.lua

and for old files do same thing as u did for settings.lua

[viral vale]

Hmm, alright

[jaunty marten]

and don't forgot in each file change requiring files

require "timer"
require "settings"
require "talking"
>>>
require "lingering_whispers_timer"
require "lingering_whispers_settings"
require "lingering_whispers_talking"

[viral vale]

Ahh okay, i'll see if that works

[jaunty marten]

👍

[viral vale]

So it would likely cause issues elsewhere with other mods? Orrrr...?

[jaunty marten]

it won't cause new problems

cos u already have files with bad names and u can't delete them

[viral vale]

So editing it also here is what I should be doing?

[jaunty marten]

not a better prefix but I think it's fine

not sure someone will use LW too

[viral vale]

With this, should I change all "responses" to "LWresponses" as well I guess?

What about line 22, "function conversationLine:getResponse() " to "function conversationLine:getLWResponse() "?

[jaunty marten]

change only global variable

[jaunty marten]

here are responses and conversationLne

[viral vale]

What should Line 22 say then?

What it currently is in the image is okay?

[jaunty marten]

LWconversationLine:getResponse()

[open drum]

objectMap = getWorld():getMap()
objectMap:addObject(item, x, y, 0, 0)

in this addObject function is diff.

compared to addobject method in Class GlobalObjectLookup

Which is :
addObject(GlobalObject globalObject)

And I don't see addobject methods in any other classes (Class Isoworld for example)

do "
getItemFromXYZIndexBuffer(ByteBuffer byteBuffer) " do the same trick?

[wraith dew]

Can I make mod by using lua that force player turn on pvp mode in specific area ?

[ancient grail]

ye

[wraith dew]

I don't how function I should use. Can you guide me ?

[ancient grail]

getPlayerSafetyUI(0):toggleSafety()
getPlayer():getSafety():toggleSafety();
getPlayer():toggleSafety()
 IsoPlayer.setCoopPVP(not IsoPlayer.getCoopPVP())
 self.safety:isEnabled()

[viral vale]

I think i managed to fix my issue

Thank you very much all

We shall see if it worked lol

[rancid panther]

is it easy to make a patch for a mod if you know what needs to be changed?

oh i can probably look at the code of someone else's patch for a mod

[dull moss]

Anyone familiar with smoking trait in PZ? It does some funny things to stress. Didn't find a source of the behavior in zdoc-lua, but maybe I'm missing something.

I got a trait that supposed to remove a bit of stress every time you kill a zombie, right?

local function onZombieKill(zombie)
    local player = getPlayer();
    if player:HasTrait("Bloodlust") and player:DistTo(zombie) <= 4 then
        local bodydamage = player:getBodyDamage();
        local stats = player:getStats();
        local stressFromCigarettes = stats:getStressFromCigarettes(); -- added in fix attempt
        local unhappiness = bodydamage:getUnhappynessLevel(); -- 0-100
        local stress = stats:getStress(); -- 0-1
        local panic = stats:getPanic(); -- 0-100
        stats:setStressFromCigarettes(0); -- added in fix attempt
        bodydamage:setUnhappynessLevel(math.max(0, unhappiness - 4));
        stats:setStress(math.max(0, stress - 0.04));
        stats:setPanic(math.max(0, panic - 4));
        if debug() then <long print() here> end
        stats:setStressFromCigarettes(stressFromCigarettes); -- added in fix attempt
    end
end```
But it keeps increasing stress with each kill if player has StressFromCigarettes value. I tried to bypass that by setting it to 0 momentarily, but it doesn't work. I assume StressFromCigarettes  multiplies stress or something

<long print() here>
is
if debug() then print("ETW Logger: Bloodlust kill. Unhappiness:"..unhappiness.."->"..bodydamage:getUnhappynessLevel()..", stress: "..stress.."->"..stats:getStress()..", panic: "..panic.."->"..stats:getPanic()) end
it shows stats before I did my stuff to them and after

(also yes, I temporarily added OnTick event that prints out stress level)

OOOOOOOOH

I think I know what's up

I'll confirm and get back

[rancid panther]

i believe smoking trait has its own stress value for when you dont smoke

[dull moss]

Nah, not that

[rancid panther]

ah

[dull moss]

Well, not exactly

Anyway, this fixes it

local function onZombieKill(zombie)
    local player = getPlayer();
    if player:HasTrait("Bloodlust") and player:DistTo(zombie) <= 4 then
        local bodydamage = player:getBodyDamage();
        local stats = player:getStats();
        local stressFromCigarettes = stats:getStressFromCigarettes();
        local unhappiness = bodydamage:getUnhappynessLevel(); -- 0-100
        local stress = math.max(0, stats:getStress() - stressFromCigarettes); -- 0-1
        local panic = stats:getPanic(); -- 0-100
        bodydamage:setUnhappynessLevel(math.max(0, unhappiness - 4));
        stats:setStress(math.max(0, stress - 0.04));
        stats:setPanic(math.max(0, panic - 4));
        if debug() then print("ETW Logger: Bloodlust kill. Unhappiness:"..unhappiness.."->"..bodydamage:getUnhappynessLevel()..", stress: "..math.min(1, stress + stressFromCigarettes).."->"..stats:getStress()..", panic: "..panic.."->"..stats:getPanic()) end
    end
end

in case anyone runs into problems with setting stress when players have smoker trait, you have to substract stress generated by smoking before doing your stff to it, otherwise it'll add smoking stress on top of what you set, so effectively, every time you set stress you duplicate stressFromCiggaretes value

hm i gotta fix all my setStress() now

cuz it duplicates smoking stress at the moment

[rancid panther]

ah wow

at makes sense tho

[dull moss]

yea after I explain it

Normally you'd think stats:Stress would just hold stress value

[sour island]

Sounds like something good for the community framework 😉

[ancient grail]

Is it cuz if your mod? Btw you dont need to use ontick for print
You can just ipen general debuggers all stats are there

[ancient grail]

Can you fix my stress too?

[jaunty marten]

[dull moss]

It doesn't help if I want very prcise numbers right before and after my code runs

So no, I need onTick print

[ancient grail]

Ahhh got ya

[dull moss]

[void fractal]

yall

what does a basic custom timed action look like?

actually

i could prob check the game's code

but im lazy af

[dull moss]

[void fractal]

and it's full of shit the basic one might not need

[ancient grail]

Id the stress is comming from your mod then just create a reverse value ontick
If ever
Or not ontick i think stress has an event too

[dull moss]

?

It's already fixed

[ancient grail]

Goodluck with that

[void fractal]

why

doesn't seem hard at all to do

[ancient grail]

👌 cool

[dull moss]

then do it

[jaunty marten]

btw I can give advance print module (to print not only string but table/array) and benchmark module. mb will useful for ur git repo, idk

[sour island]

Sure, what's a bench mark module?

[jaunty marten]

to test performance of different ways to do smth

local benchmark = require("benchmark")

local getmetatable, type = getmetatable, type
local string_meta = getmetatable("")
local str = "string"

benchmark({
    ["equal"] = function()

        local x = type("abc") == str

    end,
    ["meta"] = function()

        local x = getmetatable("abc") == string_meta

    end,
}, 10000000)

btw strange but meta should be faster but seems not in pz

local tbl = {
["abc"] = {true, 123, ArrayList.new()},
}

local array = ArrayList.new()
array:add(tbl)
array:add("abc")
array:add("blah")

local tbl2 = {true, false, 777, array}

advance_print(tbl2)

--[[ output
{
    1  =  true,
    2  =  false,
    3  =  777,
    4  =  [
        1  =  {
            abc  =  {
                1  =  true,
                2  =  123,
                3  =  [
                ],
            },
        },
        2  =  "abc",
        3  =  "blah",
    ],
}
]]

don't look at almost same functions in advance_print, was lazy to merge in single 😄

[ancient grail]

This is a stress test?

Damn thats useful

So this is based on client specs?

[jaunty marten]

just good looking print for tables/arrays

[ancient grail]

I saved as snippet for future use if ever i need sonehmthing like it. Could cone in handy

[jaunty marten]

u can print array not it will in one line, for tables no print at all

[jaunty marten]

first is benchmark, no depends specs cos u just compare speed of two functions

[ancient grail]

Ahhh ok

Got it

[sour island]

feel free to add those if you'd like

I think those fit in debug tools more so than frameworks

[jaunty marten]

sure

[sour island]

trying to debug twitch integration for EHE

I think I have EHE running in the client's server (???)

and managed to get twitch interation running in the server's server

[ancient grail]

Abt ehe chuck

Wait let ne send you the thing i did

[sour island]

sure

Normally occurring events show up in console

twitch fired events show in in co-op console

and all the code is in /server

so I'm kind of confused what I'm doing lol

the idea was it fired in /server and updated clients over time - but I suppose I misunderstood server/client again

OnTick fires for servers though right?

[jaunty marten]

OnTick should work everywhere

[sour island]

Trying to figure out why the twitch fired events launch but don't seem to update

also all this server but not actually server stuff is breaking my brain

ah the update loop is running

on co-op console

it's just giving any info to the actual players 🤔

[ancient grail]

his typing again

[stone garden]

chuck i have an modding related question
what code you use to make the helicopter move i want help my friend to make superb survivors work in mp

like making an moving object

[sour island]

I don't think the two can be corelated

[stone garden]

yeah i know but i want make an npc like meta event soo it can spawn in mp

why no one want help me in the modding part

[sour island]

Can't help if you don't start - also your idea is pretty complex and is literally a several year long endeavor

[void fractal]

are custom items made in what language

i assume not lua

[polar thicket]

Scripts

And an item texture. Alongside a worldmodel if you want them to appear 3D on the ground

[red tiger]

Ahh man.. Sad that last night's experiment failed. Also, good morning.

[polar thicket]

Morning

[void fractal]

oh yeah

[polar thicket]

Hopefully me and my bud get some progress on our windturbine mod today after studying the Lua mord

[void fractal]

i see what you mean from a mod that adds items

that kinda seems like it's too simple though-

[polar thicket]

Reference existing game items and such. When i come home i can explain more in depth. Can give you the turbine alternator item I made as example

[void fractal]

sure, i have work soon though so you can dm me it and ill take a look after work

would appreciate it a lot

[tame mulch]

Started working on complete guides about PZ modding for PZWiki. What articles you want to see? (I will try research all sources and create complete guide)

[idle dawn]

Hmm. Hardest things to get started imo is gathering up that documentation by hand. It's what got me really slow to run around.

[void fractal]

you should have different types of levels

such as for "beginners" how to do basic timed actions or basic custom items

[red tiger]

Do you need community help?

[void fractal]

and the higher level you go the more it's built upon

to add custom functionality and such

[red tiger]

I've personally documented over the years where I need.

[void fractal]

it would be SUPER helpfull

cause it's not like i suck at lua (i have 2 years of experience) but just getting started with modding a game with little to no real documentation is really hard

[red tiger]

I can forward documentation to PipeWrench (The Typescript modding solution)

[tame mulch]

I will need help with correct my English text 😄 Because I will write in my native lang, and then translate to English

[void fractal]

so slowly letting players follow from start to a finished mod would inspire a lot of people

[red tiger]

This is a highest-priority focus for my own work so I'd like to get involved.

[tame mulch]

Also will need help from car modders and map modders

[idle dawn]

Yep. Basic example scripts like my "make all zombies explode on death" are great ways to get people to go "aha" on a lot of very key things.

[red tiger]

@faint jewel

[void fractal]

exactly

never expected adding items would be this simple though

[idle dawn]

Writing the thought process going through it too, all that.

[void fractal]

hot damn

[faint jewel]

?

[idle dawn]

Yeah but you add items with txt files.

And not yaml

I rage

seeethe

[void fractal]

i was expecting it to be json tbh

but its legit just txt yeah

[idle dawn]

yaml is like json but I don't have to cry.

[void fractal]

whats so bad about json

[red tiger]

Alteron This is what I'm working on. I have an application WIP that documents third-party and bakes into my typescript definitions.

[void fractal]

rip the ping

[red tiger]

Yeah. Apparently that role is disabled from pings.

[idle dawn]

That makes me want to absolutely nut jab.

What's that by chance?

[void fractal]

its not

aiteron is with an i

not an L

[red tiger]

That's.. disturbing lol

[idle dawn]

lmao

[tame mulch]

What is this?

[red tiger]

I created a Typescript modding alternative that compiles to Lua last year called PipeWrench. This allows modders to mod with strong types, type-safety checks, and OOP provided by the language.

PZWiki has a link to the project.

[void fractal]

also you should also show the optimal way of organizing your mod's folders

because some people may have questions like

"oh should i put this in a seperate folder"

[red tiger]

This program allows me to create and export documentation and further clarification of types for the Lua code.

[void fractal]

or "whats the best folder layout"

[idle dawn]

Honestly the documentation exporting is already a huge plus.

[red tiger]

If you want to see the whitepaper or the repositories, let me know.

[idle dawn]

Like I said, one of the biggest things atm is a lack of docs.

[tame mulch]

Can you send me example of mod, done in TypeScript (before compile to Lua)

[red tiger]

Sure thing. One moment.

[tame mulch]

@red tiger Also I think Ii will need your help with guides about TypeScript modding

[thick karma]

Anyone know where the game decides that your off-hand hammer (and I'm guessing many other weapons) will be carried weirdly?

(Honestly hoping maybe Aiteron knows, trying to grab a screen.)

(But I hate pinging pros lol.)

[red tiger]

Yeah I can do that. This is my baby after all.

We do automated generation of PZ's Java and Lua API.

(We see every API change in Git diffs)

[tame mulch]

You mean incorrect model show? Or type of using weapon (onehand, 2hand)?

[idle dawn]

I'm actually a recent modder here so I got that first eyes view on things too. Without proper documentation on available functions (and best practices using them for certain things, like ui, actions, loot, item creation, exc) you pretty much have to effectively decompile and dive into code using resources from the work of other modders, and mostly take from other mods as examples in general.

Dunno if anyone else thinks the same though.

[tame mulch]

So, that's why I started working on modding guide

[idle dawn]

yessss.

[thick karma]

Look at the way the left hand's hammer is rotated @tame mulch

[red tiger]

Wow. GitHub is so slow for me right now.

[tame mulch]

Hmmm. Try ask in modelling chat

[thick karma]

Instead of pointing down like you're about to hit something with it, it points awkwardly sideways

[faint jewel]

i know the issue.

[thick karma]

makes dual wield mods look wonky

[faint jewel]

the stupid bone.

[thick karma]

Can it be easily fixed or not? @faint jewel

[idle dawn]

But yeah, I think getting very common example code out there, writing the process as if teaching (always good to teach people how your game works!) will go a long way for people to get started.

[faint jewel]

if you redo ALL the animations to rotate that bone lol.

[idle dawn]

🦴

[void fractal]

me trying to figure out timed actions from scratch (confusing af)

never done timed actions

[thick karma]

You mean e.g. standing, running, etc? @faint jewel

[idle dawn]

Me neither, and timed actions actually sounds like the "most" documented thing too.

but yeee

[thick karma]

How many animations have that bone rotated "wrong"?

For lack of a better word.

[faint jewel]

all of them.

[idle dawn]

Good luck with it all @ aiteron.

[faint jewel]

i THINK you might be able to make a seperate model for the offhand though.

[thick karma]

haha right but how many weapon carrying animations are there really? 4? 10? 120?

[faint jewel]

probably around 40-50

[thick karma]

oof.

What a horrible oversight that one was lmfao

[red tiger]

@tame mulch This is the template.
https://github.com/asledgehammer/PipeWrench-Template

This is a project I'm working on right now for rendering HTML elements as UI elements in PZ using Typescript:
https://github.com/asledgehammer/PipeWrench-UI

This is an example mod made by someone else entirely:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2851206870

This is the original whitepaper. (API has changed, so don't rely on this for documentation)
https://github.com/asledgehammer/PipeWrench-Template/wiki/pipewrench_paper

This is the example files / format for my third-party documentation application:
https://github.com/asledgehammer/PipeWrench-Models

If you need more clarifications and introduction to this project, let me know. I will help you. My goal is to have this help people get over a lot of the issues new modders have when working on PZ.

Thanks.

[finite radish]

you shouldn't expect the anims to support something that wasn't planned for the vanilla game, imo

[thick karma]

I used quotation marks for a reason. 😛

They have meaning and it is not, "I expect this to work the way I want."

But, yes, I agree with you.

I do not expect anything to work as expected outside the scope of their design.

That said, who carries a hammer that way? ;P

[finite radish]

true, I was actually gonna type "but you did have the quotes there"

[thick karma]

And carrying things in your off-hand IS vanilla design.

[finite radish]

just bags though, right?

[thick karma]

I'm just saying... I don't carry hammers like that in my left hand.

I hand the head low like a normal human

[finite radish]

skill issue (pro carpenters carry them that way, trust me)

[thick karma]

You would have to fight gravity to hold it the way vanilla holds it.

shrug if you say so, I've seen a lot of experienced carpenters with hammers and never noticed any holding it sideways

And if that IS true, why don't they do it that way in the right hand?

[finite radish]

I was joking no worries

[thick karma]

Even if we assume you're right

lol fair enough

[finite radish]

no one holds a hammer that way (i hope)

[thick karma]

Hard to tell sarcasm in text.

[finite radish]

true, poe's law

[faint jewel]

i wish we could rotate held models via the txt

[thick karma]

That would be clutch.

This is discouraging my dual wielding effort bigtime lol

I thought I'd have to do 1, 2, maybe 3 custom animations.

Not fix 50 vanilla ones.

[faint jewel]

        {
            offset = 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000,
            rotate = 90.0000 0.0000 0.0000,
        }

[finite radish]

I haven't touched the model scripts, but can you not rotate the attachment point? may be easier to fix the current objects (i.e. bags) that can go in the secondary, than rewriting all of the weapons in the game

[thick karma]

I do not know how an item model gets attached to your hand to be honest.

I don't know where that occurs in the code.

And how much control we have over it depends on where it is in the code.

Seems like a custom two-handed weapon animation combo mod would be infinitely easier as a way to look cooler doing melee stuff, now that I am hitting this wall. Idk anymore.

Could do all kinds of two-handed attacks that would already look fine.

[red tiger]

Working from home today due to Winter weather.

Means more time to mod too.

wewt.

[faint jewel]

@late hound you around?

[finite radish]

seems like the scripts may be an option, but it'll depend on where the entrypoint for this data is (this is from models_items.txt):

attachment bighikingbagrighthand
        {
            offset = 0.8920 -0.1530 -0.0670,
            rotate = -178.0000 -15.0000 100.0000,
            bone = Bip01_R_Hand,
        }

        attachment bighikingbaglefthand
        {
            offset = 0.8790 0.2000 -0.0740,
            rotate = 178.0000 -15.0000 77.0000,
            bone = Bip01_L_Hand,
        }```

[thick karma]

Huh.... interesting... I will look there.

[finite radish]

if you can search the code for "bighikingbaglefthand" you should find the entrypoint pretty easily, I think - it may be fed into another script file though (like the item definition, or the model definition for the bag, etc.)

and from there it should be fairly straightforward to implement your own entry for the weapons and such, I'd guess

[thick karma]

Yeah, here's maybe the problem?

    model Hammer
    {
        mesh = Weapons/1Handed/Hammer,

        attachment world
        {
            offset = 0.0150 0.1100 0.0000,
            rotate = 180.0000 0.0000 180.0000,
        }
    }

Only one way to hold a hammer.

No alt for left hand vs right hand

I wonder what code calls this

And uses the attachment data here...

[finite radish]

that's not the hold animation there, because the attachment point is world
it's likely that the hammer uses a different animation, either from a similar item or from a generic type

but that's just a guess

[faint jewel]

it does not.

ALL melee uses the same animation. wanna test? offhand a wrench/

[finite radish]

that's what I meant by "generic type"

[pulsar heath]

my brain hurts just from reading 😄

[thick karma]

It sure looks in this file like there are no other left-hand right-hand specifications that could serve as a generic @finite radish

[fair current]

What program do I need to open the .pack format?

[thick karma]

At a glance, this file seems to be for stuff treated as worn, rather than stuff treated as equipped.

I don't know, certain details about holding weapons seem to be absent entirely

[pulsar heath]

uh... here i was thinking discord connectivity would be a pain for the integration mod, but they actually have a .net library 😄

[thick karma]

Like how does it know whether to attach hammer to left or right hand in this file? it just has an attachment definition for the world. But some items do have left and right hand definitions... but the items that do are not fighting items.

E.g. if you hold a backpack in your left hand, this file has info for that condition, but there's no info at all about handedness in relation to machetes.

[finite radish]

looks like they're actually dynamically handled, rather than explicit like the bags are: AttachmentType = Hammer, inside items_weapons.txt

I don't have a decomp on my current PC otherwise I'd look, but you should be able to figure something out from there if you do. item:getAttachmentType() is used a few times in the hotbar code, for reference

so if you could technically cook up something like LeftHammer as a new attachment type, and then assign that via something like setAttachmentType() if it exists, then you're in business!

given that it's generic you wouldn't have to do it for each item either:

if item:getAttachmentType() == "Hammer" then
    item:setAttachmentType(LeftHammer)
end```

it won't be that direct and the set function may not even exist in that form, but hopefully you get the idea from that

[thick karma]

I do see what you're saying. I don't know if I can do that on an item at the moment of equipping it, but I think I get the vague idea.

Question becomes how to mod in an attachment type properly... Can I just say:

module Base
{
    model FemaleBody
    {
        mesh = Skinned/FemaleBody,
        static = false,
        animationsMesh = Human,

        attachment LeftHandHammerFix
        {
            offset = 0.8920 -0.1530 -0.0670,
            rotate = ??? ??? ???,
            bone = Bip01_L_Hand,
        }
    }
}

Or do I create my own module?

And then say setAttachmentType("MyModule.LeftHandHammerFix")?

Or do I need to check and handle body type?

[finite radish]

I'd guess probably not, since the types aren't defined there - there's no entry for Hammer in that file. my guess would be that they're defined somewhere in Java

but they should be relatively exposed, enough to make your own at least

take a look at the tables the hotbar code uses alongside getAttachmentType() for some hints

[thick karma]

There actually is an entry for Hammer in models_items.txt. Is that not what items_weapons.txt references?

[faint jewel]

it wouldn't be for hammer.

[finite radish]

that's an entry for the model, and it only defines the world attachment point - aka whenever you do "Place Item" - that's the behavior it'll use

[faint jewel]

it would be for prop2

prop2 is the left hand attachment point.

[thick karma]

prop2 doesn't exist in models_items.txt

[finite radish]

the attachment point and an "AttachmentType" are two different things

[thick karma]

Nor in items_weapons.txt @faint jewel

[finite radish]

skizot was mistaken on what you were actually looking for

[thick karma]

I see. I just figured they somehow used that world attachment in items_weapon.txt to figure out how to do a hand attachment...

[faint jewel]

i'm just trying ot explain it from the model POV. the prop2 bone needs to rotate 90 degrees to correct the placement.

however the hell you wanna accomplish that.

[ancient grail]

Guys you never replied to this...
Anyways check tilezed you can also ask mapping for nore advice related to that file

[finite radish]

you don't want to rotate the bone, you want to rotate the item that's attached to the bone

[thick karma]

So you're thinking the Hammer attachment data referenced in items_weapon.txt is actually somewhere else? @finite radish

[finite radish]

it has to be, otherwise the entry in that script would be meaningless. that's basically how the scripts work - they just store data, and then that data is fed into actual code that takes the representations in the scripts and does things with them

[thick karma]

Are you suggesting prop2 is wrong for every item in the game?

[finite radish]

don't listen to Skizot, he's confused

(no offense ily)

[fair current]

Thanks, I still found a program on github that extracts those files. Thanks also

[faint jewel]

yes. feel free to test. if it's not the umbrella, it's wrong.

[faint jewel]

shush you. i KNOW the problem and it affects me too.

i have to modify that stupid bone everytime i make a new animation.

[finite radish]

yes, but you're giving the wrong solution - you shouldn't rotate the entire bone at all unless you're doing it via an animation

[thick karma]

I understand generally how scripts work, I just don't understand how THIS script works.