mod_development

[drifting stump]

no

im quite sure its also painful for them having to upkeep both systems

[finite radish]

i assumed- yeah, that's what I was about to say

[bronze yoke]

that's why not isServer() is used a lot more frequently than isClient(), even though they might sound like they should do the same thing

[drifting stump]

when they could just make singleplayer an offline server

[finite radish]

I assumed by now PZ had merged the singleplayer stuff into an offline server, but I guess that's not the case. damn

[drifting stump]

also the reason for weird bug fixes in the changelogs

[finite radish]

that's wild

[drifting stump]

like a while back sledgehammers having a fucked up spawn rate in multiplayer

iirc was due to zombie density not having the proper effect on loot in multiplayer

[bronze yoke]

yeah that was it

[finite radish]

okay so in that case, this code makes a lot more sense
turns out the noise maps used to generate soil quality and snow density are actually entirely static (i.e. not randomized) unless you're in singleplayer

kinda wild. didn't realize that

[drifting stump]

also rain

its a static map

puddles are always in the same place

dont remember if its ever regenerated

[finite radish]

iirc rain actually uses a different noise method, the former uses Perlin but i believe the puddle maps are different

still digging in though

i'm gonna try to rasterize these just to see what they look like, maybe overlay it on the map just for shits and giggles

[faint jewel]

    local carModData = car:getModData(); 
    carModData.job = args.job; 
    carModData.fuck = "me";
    car:transmitModData();

did not add mod data to said trailer.

[finite radish]

because you still aren't doing anything with carModData

you're just assigning the variable and its properties, then it remains unused

[bronze yoke]

they're using it later in the code

[faint jewel]

what do you want me to with it when i'm creating the trailer?

[bronze yoke]

but it seems to vanish before then

[faint jewel]

it will be pulled when the trailer is turned in.

[finite radish]

if it's being used later in the code, then it needs to be transmitted after you use it

[faint jewel]

but it's not getting added when i trell the server to spawn the car.

that code is ran server side.

[finite radish]

right, but if the car's mod data is what's being transferred, then you need to attach carModData to the car itself (or change it directly on the object)

because when you assign local carModData to car:getModData() that's a copy, not a reference, unless I'm misunderstanding something

so you'd have to set the data to your new version of the data (after you make the modifications) in order for it to update on the car object

[faint jewel]

that's EXACTLY how i set the data on a player.

[bronze yoke]

moddata is a reference

tables are always passed by reference

[finite radish]

in the function, yeah, but wouldn't it be a copy if you're assigning a local variable?

I'm in C#/Java mode at the moment, so excuse me if I'm getting that wrong

but OOP tends to suggest that wouldn't be the case (especially with a get function)

[bronze yoke]

they are passed by reference

[faint jewel]

            local player = getPlayer();    
            local myModData = player:getModData();  
            myModData.city = CityCode;
            myModData.completeText = completeText;
            myModData.ttype = completeType;
            myModData.job = LoadGenCode;    

[bronze yoke]

that's just how tables work in lua

[faint jewel]

that is how i set data on a player.

and that works.

[finite radish]

so if I wanted to assign a new variable to the value of car:getModData() what would that look like?

[jade stump]

Is there a mod which expands the variety of diseases?

[bronze yoke]

i don't think you can?

oh i misread this

it's still sort of the same answer though

you can loop through the table and copy all of its keys and values into a new table

[finite radish]

that's wild

[bronze yoke]

but there's no way to directly copy the value that i know of

[sour island]

copyTable()

[bronze yoke]

is that a global?

[sour island]

yes

[bronze yoke]

lol

i saw it in projectrp and they defined it themselves higher up in the file

and there didn't seem to be anything special about their implementation?

so that's kind of odd

[sour island]

I wrote my own and someone said 'ah copyTable had some issue?'

chances are they didn't know it exsisted

    public static KahluaTable copyTable(KahluaTable var0) {
        return copyTable((KahluaTable)null, var0);
    }

    public static KahluaTable copyTable(KahluaTable var0, KahluaTable var1) {
        if (var0 == null) {
            var0 = platform.newTable();
        } else {
            var0.wipe();
        }

        if (var1 != null && !var1.isEmpty()) {
            KahluaTableIterator var2 = var1.iterator();

            while(var2.advance()) {
                Object var3 = var2.getKey();
                Object var4 = var2.getValue();
                if (var4 instanceof KahluaTable) {
                    var0.rawset(var3, copyTable((KahluaTable)null, (KahluaTable)var4));
                } else {
                    var0.rawset(var3, var4);
                }
            }

            return var0;
        } else {
            return var0;
        }
    }

[bronze yoke]

i'll have to make use of that

[sour island]

I use it whenever I make pseudo classes

I assume derive() does something else - but for what I need copyTable works

[marsh cloak]

Is there a 57' Chevy Bel air mod if anyone knows?

[faint jewel]

well i am open to ideas on how the hell i am gonna get his moddata stapled to these trailers.

i think so wanderer

[fast galleon]

copyTable just copies a table, I just started using it recently

derive is for inheritance of objects, setting metatables, etc.

[sour island]

ah like functions

that makes sense

[faint jewel]

@marsh cloak fhqwhgads' Vehicle Pack - The Motorious Zone

[marsh cloak]

thanks

[faint jewel]

bottom car

[marsh cloak]

YES

Thank you

[finite radish]

http://lua-users.org/wiki/CopyTable found this, kinda interesting

[faint jewel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2791656602

[spiral sparrow]

I pronounce fhqwhgads as fuh-hwook-huh-gagds and I will not be convinced it is anything else

[limber oar]

Does PZ only load textures on launch? There's got to be a better way to work on clothing retextures without editing in PS > export as PNG > restart PZ > view in char creator > repeat

[faint jewel]

go ingame and equip it.

when you tab out and tab back in it will refresh it.

[limber oar]

gobbless

[sour island]

pz has a copyTable

[finite radish]

you mentioned this is being used later via that variable, are those the changes that aren't showing up? or does the initial assignment not even show up? I'm thinking you may need to transmit again after you do whatever you're doing, or just do whatever you're doing on the client/server where it needs to happen in the first place (then transmit the result)

[faint jewel]

that's the only thing in that fnction messing with the mod data.

[finite radish]

sure, but that goes into detail as to how it can vary by use case and goal

[faint jewel]

the other stuff is client side.

[lusty marsh]

I'm planning to expand the scope of my mod, can I create for example a "shared assets" modid that's required by another mod?

[limber oar]

This doesn't seem to work for me, is there a particular setting that needs to be enabled or does the mod need to be in a directory other than the standard mods folder?

[faint jewel]

it just needs to be a regular mod.

are you able to load it as an item?

[limber oar]

Yep, walking around with it no problem.

And it's definitely pulling from the right folder, since on restart the texture does change.

[faint jewel]

hmmm...

are you in debug mode?

also, as for the moddata thing, what if we sent the mod data on the isoobject of the car instead of the adddebugvehicle?

[ruby urchin]

Anyone worked with particles?

[faint jewel]

what kind?

if you say blood i'm gonna say DONT DO IT.

[dull moss]

[ruby urchin]

why?

[faint jewel]

nah i had to mess with blood for the mower

getting it to fling out would NOT happen.

i had to manually place the splats,

[dull moss]

honestly i'd use mower if it'd look like 5pixels shit, the functionality is just way too good

[faint jewel]

what?

[limber oar]

Yep, no difference in debug

[faint jewel]

5pixels?

[dull moss]

yes, image consisting of 5 pixels

[faint jewel]

OH the blood?

you wanna know a dumb secret?

[dull moss]

idc, anything. I'm saying with or without blood, mod functionality is way too good to pass on

[faint jewel]

the mower and the cutting grass functonality took like 2 days to do. then someone asked me what happens when i hit a zombie or a dead body, mod took 3 months longer to make LOL.

[dull moss]

anyone knows if you stay around big piile of dead Z do you get foodSickness or some other kind of sickness?

[faint jewel]

you get infected.

then you die.

[bronze yoke]

you get foodsickness but it's really negligible

[dull moss]

dang

[dull moss]

Im die

[finite radish]

fun fact: the pre-generated static values for the erosion/soil/snow/etc. data is taken from a single, manually defined array
and the array has around 7900 values in it

[faint jewel]

this is my current function to spawn a trailer.
it's called with
sendClientCommand("KYRPT", "spawnTrailer", {type = "Base.TrailerTSMeg", condition = 100, clear = true, x = 0, y = 0, z = 0, dir = 45, code = "generatedcodehere"});

[sour island]

probably generated once and left

[faint jewel]

it WILL make some of you cry.

so be careful looking into the void.

[dull moss]

how can one get perk name from Perk ?

[sour island]

perk:getName()

[dull moss]

cheers

[sour island]

elseif serverFixAnglesA == IsoDirections.SE then serverFixAngles**A **

[dull moss]

am I missing something? It doesn't print a single line

local totalPerkLevel = 0
local totalMaxPerkLevel = 0;
for i, perkCheck in ipairs(Perks) do
    local perkLevel = player:getPerkLevel(perkCheck)
    print("Perk "..player:getPerkLevel(perkCheck):getName().." lvl"..perkLevel);
    totalPerkLevel = totalPerkLevel + perkLevel;
    totalMaxPerkLevel = totalMaxPerkLevel + 10;
end

oh wait

[sour island]

you may have to use perkfactory.getperk() cause perks. may not inherit the other methods

[sour island]

Would you like a cleanup pass?

also kind of wild isodrections don't have a toAngle - seems like the toAngle returns 1-9 I wonder if it's used on a list

[bronze yoke]

for i=0,Perks.getMaxIndex()-1 do
    local perk = Perks.fromIndex(i)
end
```i can't remember if i actually tested it but i have something like this

[finite radish]

iirc there's a toAngle that can take isodirections as an arg? i forget though

or maybe something that takes in an IsoDirection and then has a toAngle extension

[dull moss]

im trying to count amount of perk levels player has but this returns nan

local totalPerkLevel = 0
local totalMaxPerkLevel = 0;
for i, perkCheck in ipairs(Perks) do
    local perkLevel = player:getPerkLevel(perkCheck)
    totalPerkLevel = totalPerkLevel + perkLevel;
    totalMaxPerkLevel = totalMaxPerkLevel + 10;
end

[sour island]

there is but it returns 1-9 - not sure how that's going to work lol -- I guess he could make his own list on angles and compare it

[faint jewel]

lol feel free.

[finite radish]

also: yeah definitely, but the one-line initialization is causing some of my refactoring tools and extensions and stuff to shit the bed

[sour island]

but at that point he could make a list of key/value dir/angles and refer to it himself

[finite radish]

IsoDirections is an enum, not sure how that works in Lua but that'd be why it returns an int

[sour island]

isoDir.toAngle should logically return angles though?

[finite radish]

...oh, the toAngle returns an int?

that's uh... silly

[sour island]

    public float toAngle() {
        float var1 = 0.7853982F;
        switch (this) {
            case NE:
                return var1 * 7.0F;
            case N:
                return var1 * 0.0F;
            case NW:
                return var1 * 1.0F;
            case W:
                return var1 * 2.0F;
            case SW:
                return var1 * 3.0F;
            case S:
                return var1 * 4.0F;
            case SE:
                return var1 * 5.0F;
            case E:
                return var1 * 6.0F;
            default:
                return 0.0F;
        }
    }

[faint jewel]

but yeah local car = addVehicleDebug(args.type, args.dir, nil, sq) that addas a RANDOM ANGLE TO THE DFIRECTION.

[sour island]

int multiplied against 0.785~

[faint jewel]

stupid ass thing.

so it can be -22.5 to 22.5 degrees OFF from the direction provided.

[finite radish]

what are the values for each?

i.e. var1 in this case

oh wait

it's just static

I'm blind

that's incredibly silly

why not just return the premultiplied value

do we learn at long last that TIS doesn't have access to calculators

[sour island]

local IsoDirectionsToAngles = {
    [IsoDirections.N]=0.0, 
    [IsoDirections.NE]=45.0, 
    [IsoDirections.NW]=-45.0, 
    [IsoDirections.E]=90.0, 
    [IsoDirections.W]=-90.0,
    [IsoDirections.S]=135.0,
    [IsoDirections.SE]=-135.0, 
    [IsoDirections.SW]=180.0,
}

local pX, pY, pZ = args.x, args.y, args.z
local serverFixAngle = args.dir

local sq = getCell():getGridSquare(pX, pY, pZ)
local car = addVehicleDebug(args.type, args.dir, nil, sq)

local FixAngle = IsoDirectionsToAngles[serverFixAngle] or 0
car:setAngles(180.0, FixAngle, 180.0)

You can keep the top one as a local outside of the function

assuming args.dir is always present

you can also add a 'serverFixAngle and' after FixAngle =

@faint jewel

also personal preference

local pX, pY, pZ = args.x, args.y, args.z

[dull moss]

this works, thanks. By any chance you'd know how to grab only perks that can be leveled?

local totalPerkLevel = 0
local totalMaxPerkLevel = 0;
for i = 0, Perks.getMaxIndex()-1 do
    local selectedPerk = Perks.fromIndex(i)
    print("Perk: "..selectedPerk:getName());
    local perkLevel = player:getPerkLevel(selectedPerk)
    totalPerkLevel = totalPerkLevel + perkLevel;
    totalMaxPerkLevel = totalMaxPerkLevel + 10;
end```
returns stuff like category dividers and Skills that were cut out from the game

[bronze yoke]

to avoid none you can probably just start i at 1

[dull moss]

smort

[sour island]

you can also grab only skills with parents, and with parents other than none (maybe)

[dull moss]

https://tenor.com/view/teach-me-doctor-strange-benedict-cumberbatch-gif-8215241

ah found it

[sour island]

getParent()

[bronze yoke]

yeah, iirc the hidden perks are just parented to none

[dull moss]

getParent(0

[bronze yoke]

that's a smart solution

[sour island]

it's kind of wild but the skill categories are their own skills

[finite radish]

they're orphans

[dull moss]

well Chuck is smart so expected

[sour island]

could be used to feed into some sort of parallel level up system

but its odd it's just already there and only used for UI display

for clarification - raising any skill in the combat category could unlock bonuses or feed XP into the sibling skills

[faint jewel]

that is so much nicer to look at lol

[sour island]

yeah, key/value abuse is fun

you can basically set anything as a key or value

[faint jewel]

well now the fun part. getting that damned mod data to stickl.

[sour island]

it's all tables and references all the way down

[agile vigil]

Am I going crazy here or should S = 180 and SE/SW be the 135 and -135 values? (respectively).

[finite radish]

if this weren't isometric, you'd be right

😏

[agile vigil]

My head just can't wrap around why N and S are not 180 degrees apart 😄

[finite radish]

oh wait 🤔

[dull moss]

works

for i = 1, Perks.getMaxIndex() - 1 do
    local selectedPerk = Perks.fromIndex(i)
    if selectedPerk:getParent():getName() ~= "None" then
        print("Perk: "..selectedPerk:getName()..", parent: "..selectedPerk:getParent():getName());
        local perkLevel = player:getPerkLevel(selectedPerk)
        totalPerkLevel = totalPerkLevel + perkLevel;
        totalMaxPerkLevel = totalMaxPerkLevel + 10;
    end
end```

[finite radish]

N = 0 so i think you're right

[bronze yoke]

aww my literacy skill is in there 😇

[finite radish]

imagine being literate. could not be me

[agile vigil]

I need to take a look at that literacy mod. 😄

[dull moss]

ye was grabbing trait names to overwrite em

[dull moss]

https://tenor.com/view/blacrswan-gif-25353015

My POV looking at @finite radish

[finite radish]

actual footage of me rn

[dull moss]

you know whats fuuny, i test my stuff in bulk, aka write few perks -> test them
and i was about to test something very specific but something else wasnt working so i went on fixing it which i just did and now i dont remember what i was doing initially

its like that vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSehcT19u0

[sour island]

I think I just transposed what he had originally - I may have grabbed the wrong angles

[faint jewel]

huh?

[agile vigil]

This concept but in musical form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRTT1ulHOB0

[neon bronze]

Hey is there a way to permanently get a player in both sp and mp? When i use getPlayer on exit the moddata with it get erased

[finite radish]

depends on your use case, but imo you shouldn't be storing entire player objects in moddata
you'd want to instead use <player>:getUsername() and then you can fetch the player object later when you need it using getPlayerFromUsername(<username from moddata>)

i don't know how that'll work (if at all) in singleplayer though, but there's less need for moddata transmission there anyways so you should be able to figure it out

[neon bronze]

Can the username be altered by a player in vanilla? If yes then i just use the steamID

I doubt anyone can alter that

[bronze yoke]

it can't

[sour island]

I for sure misordered the angles lol

[faint jewel]

nooooo.

[neon bronze]

Do you know a lot about moddata by chance?

[faint jewel]

    local NEangle = 45.0
    local NWangle = -45.0
    local Eangle = 90.0
    local Wangle = -90.0
    local SEangle = 135.0
    local SWangle = -135.0
    local Sangle = 180.0```

[sour island]

Just SW, SE, S

[faint jewel]

no... those are mine and they are right.

[neon bronze]

Im trying to figure out when to call transmitModData

[sour island]

on my code snippet

[finite radish]

while I don't know that much about moddata specifically, you'd want to transmit it any time a modification of the data on one side (serverside/clientside) needs to have an effect on the other side

otherwise the changes won't propagate between the two

that said, you want to limit the amount of transfers - otherwise you'll lag the server to hell

[neon bronze]

Hmm, a serverlag mod…

[finite radish]

there are plenty of those already

[neon bronze]

But yeah i figured that much that when i alter the moddata of my worldobject i should transmit that aswell

The other clients get the moddata when i tranmsit it right?

[sour island]

yes

[faint jewel]

well hell.

transmitPartModData

[sour island]

transmitModData calls on server send to clients

[faint jewel]

basevehicles dont have a transmitmoddata.

[sour island]

all IsoObjects have it

but there are caveats to it not working as expected

zombies afaik don't save their modData

[neon bronze]

Luckily i dont interact with them

[sour island]

vehicles I'm told have issues with transmitting certain changes -- idk if that also applies to modData

I'm still trying to figure out how to prevent TV abuse with skill recovery journals

I can track the file and function the addXP call comes from

and I refactored the system to work with that as it's overall alot less work

[finite radish]

isn't raw skill XP gain the point of VHS tapes? so if you have another source of raw skill XP gain (i.e. recovery journals) I can't imagine there's a way to remedy that. you're introducing more XP into the environment without any work, more or less

[sour island]

the rework is logging XP gained from flagged files/functions

going to see If I can compare the two

the previous version tracked listnedToMedia - which worked if they watched the tapes after reading

but not before unfortunately

also I don't have to calculate extra levels from professions/traits anymore

which was a bonus

also the TV xp isn't flat

[finite radish]

but if you implement something like that, where VHS tape XP is ignored if it's "regained" through a journal, doesn't that imply that the dead person who wrote the journal... wrote down what happens on the VHS tape? idk how I feel about that

[sour island]

in the impacted by multipliers sense

[sour island]

Dear diary, today I watched that builder man that my grandma loved so much... I didn't get it before, but now in the darkness that is this world, I get it, grandma. RIP.

[finite radish]

Note to self: all constructions require, more or less, two planks and two nails. And then you just hammer away, and the shelf builds itself.

[sour island]

The journal is meant to offer a means of not starting over - if they can just suicide and rewatch the VHS is kind of breaks things quickly

[finite radish]

but that's already the point of VHS tapes, in function

[sour island]

I guess I could makes things very simple for myself and just lock out that XP entirely

game design

[finite radish]

I guess I just don't see the point unless the goal is for the journal to be a stronger, less balanced version of the VHS tapes

[sour island]

the issue is that it could stack

[finite radish]

because if you're in MP and returning to your old base, the VHS tapes already serve as a sort of "regain your skills without grinding for hours" platform

so that gap seems to be filled, so I'm missing the point of the journal unless it's just a direct upgrade

(but yes, you definitely wouldn't want them to stack, either way)

[sour island]

philosophically I just thought it was a neat idea to help cushion newer players - some factors with having to craft it constantly update it make it balanced

I never really looked at the VHS as a means for that tbh - but that is an interesting idea

I'll definitely include a sandbox option to lock out VHS XP entirely

[dapper forge]

Hey, can anyone help me trying to set Mod Manager up?

Is there supposed to be a UI or something?

[sour island]

also, I think I wrote the mod before skill VHS were a thing - not sure

[finite radish]

if it's the one I'm thinking of you definitely did - I remember using one way back for that exact reason. then VHS tapes came out and i was like "ah, that's how the devs are going to solve that problem. neat." (but I'm not married to one or the other conceptually, just struggling to see the need for both other than for flavor reasons or if you think VHS tapes are too strong/not strong enough)

[finite radish]

#mod_support

[dapper forge]

ty

[sour island]

from a game design standpoint - if you consider the player's time/effort I prefer to place it on maintaining their journal rather than after the fact in making them sit around watching VHS

not knocking VHS as it adds more things to find + circumvents the grind

[finite radish]

yeah, I think there's definitely an argument there. I think I see the tedium as punishment though, which is honestly how Zomboid handles a lot of balance. not necessarily bad, but not exciting either

[sour island]

basically how I view it - if you dont want to put time into a journal you can watch VHS and burn through resources sitting around

but with the journal you have to becareful not to lose it - and make the judgement call of 'do I take it with me to keep it up to date' or 'leave it and update it when I get back'

I would also recommend anyone using it to set the return % to atleast 70

but most people use it when teaching new players

I may also make it use up the writing tools + require maintenance if read repeatedly

[finite radish]

i wonder how interesting a rework could be, with design in mind for the whole journal concept. swap XP into "perk points" more or less, and buy different perks at different levels for a given skill. that'd make the whole journal thing neat, because you could lose certain perks at random in the journal (pages? idk) so you'd only have bits and pieces of the information

obviously would be much more of an endeavor to implement (especially in terms of compatibility with other mods), but I think something like that would be pretty neat

[sour island]

I used to have it only record fully unlocked levels

but I had to change to raw XP due to the way XP is calculated

[dim hill]

Where can I find the logs for these errors on a dedicated server?

[ruby urchin]

C:\Users\YourPCName\Zomboid\Logs

[faint jewel]

^^ there

[dim hill]

I thought so too, but doesn't seem like it.

It's currently xx:42 right

If I trigger the error, my logs haven't updated

[sour island]

If you're the host the serverside errors appear in coop-console.txt

[dim hill]

It's a dedicated server

Oh maybe those are clientside errors

[sour island]

then the errors would be in C:\Users\YourPCName\Zomboid\ console.txt

[dim hill]

ah yeah

of the client

I was looking in the zomboid logs folder of the server

[sour island]

Speaking of which - I think I figured out the issue with why it is transcribing multiplied XP lol

The XP multiplier hashmaps are a big headache I was hoping to avoid

[faint jewel]

same spot on the server.

[sour island]

yep - I can avoid dealing with XP mult maps

the issue was passing arguments using or due to some being false

and since false exists it was flipping to true 🤔

[drifting stump]

because zombies are local

you also cant transmit player modData because they are local too

[sour island]

I mean in local zombies dont save it

they're loaded from their outfit ID basically

[drifting stump]

well yeah

[sour island]

player zombies might save their modData as their outfit isn't from an ID

[drifting stump]

they should save their modData as long as theyre visible

but once they despawn it be gone

[sour island]

that's kind of poo poo

[drifting stump]

unless theyre doing a if zombie then return like they do in several places

wait a sec

getPipedFuelAmount is a function in isoobject

you can pipe fuel from players

( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)

[sour island]

time to matrix up some survivors to produce methane

[dim hill]

Hey @sour island - sorry to bother. What is "Journal XP Used When Read"?

Even with the tooltip I'm not too sure

[fast galleon]

One time item?

[dim hill]

It deletes the journal?

[sour island]

The XP when read is used up

[dim hill]

The XP when read?

Is used up?

What XP?

I'm really confused, sorry haha

[drifting stump]

you store xp in the book

you then read

and consume

[dim hill]

So basically what it means is

After reading the journal

The journal no longer works

You have to re-write a new one

Correct?

[neon bronze]

How do you spawn items in your inventory?????

[sour island]

You can add more to it

Only the XP is used when read

[drifting stump]

getPlayer():getInventory():AddItem("Base.Rake")

[sour island]

perhaps I should make it allow you to add onto it but once read destroys it

[drifting stump]

i too rip apart the book i read

[sour island]

but basically it means on that specific journal, XP you gain can only be recovered once

if you gain XP later you can store and recover it - once

[neon bronze]

tfw you forget to include the modules name

[sour island]

There's a litter mod that makes literature items leave behind trash - the nude mags leave behind 'worn out magazine'

[drifting stump]

[sour island]

You don't need the module if the module is 'Base.' btw

[sour island]

The books leave behind 'ripped apart books' - so that survivor is just really working out their forearms

[patent quiver]

I have an idea for a mod and was wondering if I could get some feedback. Is it ok if I post my notes here?

I mainly want to know if it seems too ambitious, and if it's technically possible with the limitations of the modding framework.

Zomboid mod idea:

mod requires you to travel to each major city on the map to obtain blueprints for special items used to repair the escape helicopter. The blueprints are stored on computers which need to be powered. The computers are also connected to each city's tornado siren system which attracts zombies when activated. The siren system will be accidentally activated while the blueprints are being extracted onto a floppy disk. the floppy disc needs to go into a prototype VHS tape that can display the contents on a TV with a VCR. The blueprints will then require players to go to random locations to obtain 3 special items each. however, the helicopter has a VERY loud tampering alarm that draws in zombies from MILES around and even enrages some of them, turning them into sprinters. Once you start the escape sequence, the hacking tool that you made will take 3 ingame days to prepare the helicopter for takeoff. during this time, you will have to defend against the enraged zombies who can now even tear down large walls. they will get in and they will come for you. all tiles a certain distance around the takeoff zone will be blocked off by something (thick horde of stationary zombies?) to prevent the players from leaving. any player outside the zone at this time will die, and new character spawns will be disabled during this event. If the event is survived, the opening text displays again but instead says "this is how you survived".

the player must:

• interact with computer in each major city to receive floppy disk
• defend against hordes of zombies during this process (they will seek player) - process will last a few ingame hours.
• find four secret VHS floppy reader prototypes (the floppy gets stuck and can't be removed)
• watch floppy disks on four different TV's (the floppys brick the TVs and max out their volume, prompting nearby zombies to investigate)

with newly acquired blueprints, the player now must:

• locate 3 items per blueprint (12 total) scattered in random locations.
• one can be fished up with a low chance. (treasure map style, high fishing skill). item name: rare waterlogged component
• A zombie carries one - he is located in the mall among a massive hoard. item name: strange biological anomalie
• one is found when disassembling a rare type of radio. (requires high electrical skill. there will be three in the world at set locations - radio stations if they exist) item name: rare communications component
• one is found in a rare model of car. (there will be three in the world at set locations. high mechanic skill required) item name: rare engine part
  one has a treasure map that shows where it can be dug up with a shovel. (requires high farming skill to successfully dig up. there can be three of these too.)

the rest can be randomly scattered across the world unless better ideas come up. they can just be called rare components. this way, each recipe requires one unique rare items and two rare components.

finally the player must:

• build the repair components

• locate the helicopter.

• set up defenses to survive the final conflict

• add components to helicopter

• begin helicopter startup sequence (player will be warned that they have discovered an anti tampering system that will require higher mechanics and electronics than before - maybe 7 or 8 each - to hack through. player will be warned that once hacking commences, the alarm WILL be set off and will attract zombie hordes the likes of which they've never seen. player will be warned to prepare extremely well before the encounter.)

Is this directed at me?

The lore explanations for the events can be changed because I know they're dumb, but the core idea is to add meaningful long term goals that encourage the player to engage with all aspects of the game from exploration, to combat, to building, to leveling skills.

[molten cobalt]

Hi again all, just wanted to use similar mechanics that claustrophobic trait uses , any ideas where that is located in the files?

[ruby urchin]

Oh you're like those Reddit guys, I go there time of time to get ideas and things like that, there are people really interesting

[patent quiver]

So is this your way of saying there are too many ideas to implement?

I'm looking for some real feedback.

[faint jewel]

in THEORY it's not bad.

in practice it's "NOPE.AVI"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

[ruby urchin]

^^ a real feedback

[patent quiver]

That's all I needed to hear

So if I scoped this WAY down to like "travel to four major cities and collect four things", would that sound more possible?

[faint jewel]

it would yes.

but still still having those would have to be FORCED spawns in certain locations.

no "random" to it easily.

[patent quiver]

Yea, trying to make it random sounds like a nightmare

[faint jewel]

i mean it's POSSIBLE to randomize it by saying pick a random container in the list of container in this cell.

but that's the best i could offer as trying to stick it on a zombie would be about a bitch to do.

[patent quiver]

Yea, of course I'll be starting with a stripped down proof of concept

If I wanna try to get crazy I can look at that stuff later but I understand how complicated even simple things can be, especially in a modding environment with limited access to things.

[sour island]

man this XP stuff is kicking my ass

some of the skills are transcribing 1:1 properly - but others seem to be getting their multiplier applied

[faint jewel]

attempted index: N of non-table: null

LOG  : General     , 1672179814179> 36,994,035> -----------------------------------------
STACK TRACE
-----------------------------------------
function: spawnTrailer -- file: KYRPT_clientcommands.lua line # 11 | MOD: KYRP Trucking mod
function: onClientCommand -- file: KYRPT_clientcommands.lua line # 52 | MOD: KYRP Trucking mod```

would that be this?

[sour island]

no

show me your file

[faint jewel]

nvm i found it. i are a derp

[sour island]

This is what I referred to as messing up the directions:

    [IsoDirections.S] = 135.0,
    [IsoDirections.SE] = -135.0, 
    [IsoDirections.SW] = 180.0,
``` I don't know why your code is throwing out that error

What was the issue?

also make that table local

[patent quiver]

One more question - when I said "random locations" before, I pretty much had the idea that I might be able to make a short list of predetermined locations to put things at and randomly choose from those. Does that sound technically possible, and within reason to accomplish?

[dull moss]

so i'm looking at foraging, I want to catch amount of herbs player picks up, but from what I see it handles them in array? Or am I misunderstanding something?

function ISForageAction:forage()
    forageSystem.doFatiguePenalty(self.character);
    forageSystem.doEndurancePenalty(self.character);
    forageSystem.giveItemXP(self.character, self.itemDef, 0.75);
    --
    -- add the items to player inventory
    -- these items are generated when the icon is first spotted in self.forageIcon.itemList
    local itemsAdded = forageSystem.addOrDropItems(self.character, self.targetContainer, self.forageIcon.itemList, self.discardItems);
    local itemsTable = {};
    for i = 0, itemsAdded:size() - 1 do
        local item = itemsAdded:get(i);
        if not itemsTable[item:getFullType()] then itemsTable[item:getFullType()] = {item = item, count = 0}; end;
        itemsTable[item:getFullType()].count = itemsTable[item:getFullType()].count + 1;
    end;
    --
    --create the halo note, injecting the item image
    --TODO: this requires item images to be in media/textures - should get the image location from the texture here instead
    local itemTexture;
    for _, itemData in pairs(itemsTable) do
        local item = itemData.item;
        local count = itemData.count;
        if item:getTexture() ~= nil then
            if string.find(tostring(item:getTexture():getName()), "media") and string.find(tostring(item:getTexture():getName()), "textures") then
                itemTexture = "[img="..tostring(item:getTexture():getName()).."]";
            else
                itemTexture = "[img=media/textures/"..tostring(item:getTexture():getName()).."]"
            end
        else
            itemTexture = ""
        end
        if not self.discardItems then
            table.insert(self.manager.haloNotes,itemTexture.."    "..count.. " "..item:getDisplayName());
        end;
    end;
end```

[faint jewel]

it does, and could be done pretty easily... could also have a bit of randomness by doing like i said.

so it's not spot 1 2 3 it's random spot between 1 and 80

could be the first one you open, could be the last.

[patent quiver]

Alright thank you

[sour island]

🤔 radio interactions calls addXP(+50) 6 times for 300 XP but it only nets 75

sprinting around addXp(+1) = 1 XP

[faint jewel]

how would i write a simple func with on RMC with check car near clicked square and print moddata

basically... AUD does not do car moddata.

[pulsar rock]

Hey hi, is the current save's in-game date / time exposed somewhere in the files?

I know the RADIO_SAVE file has the days passed, but an exact date + time would be superb

[frank elbow]

The GameTime object is stored in map_t.bin in binary. I'm working on a decoder for it but it's nowhere near ready to make public (undocumented, incomplete). I can send the current version of it your way once I'm at my computer though

[pulsar rock]

Hm

I guess the second best thing would be making a mod that just logs it to a file every minute or so

[sour island]

seems like the xp issue was an old player jacked up from errors again - and it works

[pulsar rock]

And grabbing it from there

[sour island]

there's functions for in-game time

[pulsar rock]

Yeah, I'm writing a fairly extensive Discord bot for Zomboid server management

Think log browsing, player data management, etc

Was hoping to get an accurate time reading from the files without a mod

But alas

Is the RADIO_SAVE file updated live, or only on server shutdown / save?

[dull moss]

Ok so I managed to catch items player picks up. What I did is literally just copied base game code and chaged it a bit to catch what I wanted, but now it throws error in log (not red interrupting ones, just general error in console.txt)

local original_forage_forage = ISForageAction.forage;
function ISForageAction:forage()
    local itemsAddedShadow = forageSystem.addOrDropItems(self.character, self.targetContainer, self.forageIcon.itemList, self.discardItems);
    local itemsTableShadow = {};
    for i = 0, itemsAddedShadow:size() - 1 do
        local item = itemsAddedShadow:get(i);
        if not itemsTableShadow[item:getFullType()] then itemsTableShadow[item:getFullType()] = { item = item, count = 0}; end;
        itemsTableShadow[item:getFullType()].count = itemsTableShadow[item:getFullType()].count + 1;
        if not self.discardItems then
            print("DTW Logger: picking up item: "..item:getFullType());
        end;
    end
    original_forage_forage(self);
end

LOG  : General     , 1672182718850> DTW Logger: picking up item: Base.Twigs
LOG  : General     , 1672182718851> DTW Logger: picking up item: Base.Twigs
LOG  : General     , 1672182718851> Error, container already has id
LOG  : General     , 1672182718851> Error, container already has id
LOG  : General     , 1672182718851> Error, container already has id```
Do I care about those? It works and picks up items and stuff

[sour island]

idk what radio_save is - are you trying to get server time or in-game date like day/month/year?

[pulsar rock]

in-game time

Preferably from a file / command / etc

The bot runs locally on the server, so it has full access.

RADIO_SAVE.txt is a file that keeps track of some radio related things, and incidentally also has a DaysSinceStart value

Which is reasonably useful

A more accurate value would be nice, though.

[faint jewel]

lol try messing with os.time.

that stuff is busted to all hell.

[sour island]

no... there's a gameTime object

has all he needs

    public PZCalendar getCalender() {
        this.updateCalendar(this.getYear(), this.getMonth(), this.getDay(), (int)this.getTimeOfDay(), (int)((this.getTimeOfDay() - (float)((int)this.getTimeOfDay())) * 60.0F));
        return this.Calender;
    }

from the java

[frank elbow]

Same here, but for personal use 😄 I intended to release the decoder I've used to read player data + that, but right now it can only reads data from the current version which is not ideal

(Why did I write it to only read data from the current version? Because I lack foresight, that's why)

[pulsar rock]

Issue is I'm running the bot separately from the game right now. Interfacing using RCON and the game's files

So, if there's a non-mod-required way to grab this, it'd be superb.

[frank elbow]

Sounds like I'm doing the exact same thing you are, so yeah there is

I'm running a web server on the same vm I run the game server on which provides the data using RCON and reading files

[sour island]

If you want information from the game you could just have it print to a file

Not sure why non-mod would be ideal - you'd be digging around in hopes of scraping off the needed info

[frank elbow]

Not really digging around imo, since the time is just stored as numbers

(that is, if you know the format it's not guesswork)

[sour island]

I mean if he's adamant about not using a mod - he'd have to find a place that already has the information he wants

[frank elbow]

See here

Ohh, I see what you mean, I think

You're saying for any new feature not covered he'd need to keep digging for stuff, yeah?

[sour island]

Even for time, you can easily access the gametime object in a mod and have it print to a text file

in whatever format you want

although, grabbing the information from the save is clever

seems like alot more work

[frank elbow]

I don't disagree, but personally I prefer not requiring a mod for stuff like that

Yeah that's definitely true, I might go with a mod if I didn't want to have the versatility of having all the data

[sour island]

You're looking for GameTime's Calender var btw

should be a list of numbers = this.updateCalendar(this.getYear(), this.getMonth(), this.getDay(), (int)this.getTimeOfDay(), this.getMinutes())

it's a java calendar, so the format should match that documentation

[faint jewel]

how would i select a vehicle at a certain square

[sour island]

something is up with the TVs

based on addXP() calls I should have 300XP

I might just make it ignore TVs and say it's balanced gameplay

[faint jewel]

i am going to have an annuerism.,

[sour island]

I just had one

I've been messing with XPs that are all flat

but it is applying the multiplier afterall

I was using sprinting but they cap the xp to 1

I've been going around in circles avoiding the xp maps

welp, here I go I guess

[dull moss]

I fucking did it

took 30 min and digging in base game code (thanks inteliji) but i did it

local original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems = forageSystem.addOrDropItems;
function forageSystem.addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems)
    if (not _discardItems) then
        for item in iterList(_items) do
            print("DTW Logger: picking up item: "..item:getFullType());
        end;
    end
    return (original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems));
end```

last error I resolved was that i wasnt returning original function

and in base game code it returns stuff

and i was like why no workey workey

ok new question, you know how you can forage stuff and stuff is divided in categories, like junk, ammo, medical herbs

is there a way to access that table?

like lets say i want to get data what medical herbs can spawn

[drifting ore]

for scripts/items.txt if i'm trying to call icons from other mods, what do i need to preface the script? i saw Import but how can i find out what i need to import?

like for base vanilla icons we'll say to start 😛

NM i just had a spelling error 🙂

[faint jewel]

function CheckCarModData(vehicle)
    if (vehicle) then 
}}}     if (vehicle:getModData() ~= nil) then
            for k,v in pairs(vehicle:getModData())do
                print(vehicle:getScriptName() .. " has K: " .. k .. " & V: " .. v)
            end
        else
            print("No Moddata found on " .. vehicle:getScriptName())
        end
    end
end```

the line with the }}} throws Object tried to call nil in CheckCarModData

wth man

[sour island]

add a prnt above it

print("vehicle:"..tostring(vehicle))

[dull moss]

can't i do something like this?

local herbs = {
    "Base.Plantain",
    "Base.Comfrey",
    "Base.WildGarlic",
    "Base.CommonMallow",
    "Base.LemonGrass",
    "Base.BlackSage",
    "Base.Ginseng"
}
if item:getFullType() in herbs then
    print("DTW Logger: picking up medical herb: "..item:getFullType());
end```

oh table needs to have keys

for that to work

[drifting stump]

what in the python am i looking at

[sour island]

function convertNumericListToKeyedTable(list,tbl) for _,value in pairs(list) do tbl[value]=true end end
```If you're lazy, lets you write out simple tables and then convert them into one that can use `list[n]` to check if a value is there

the conversion should be called once - can even leave it out of a function so its called when Lua is loaded

[dull moss]

already did it this way but thx

for _, herb in pairs(herbs) do
    if herb == item:getFullType() then
        --print("DTW Logger: picking up herbs: "..item:getFullType())
        local modData = player:getModData().DynamicTraitsWorld
        modData.HerbsPickedUp = modData.HerbsPickedUp + 1;
        if modData.HerbsPickedUp >= SBvars.HerbalistHerbsPicked then

            break
        end
        break
    end
end```

[sour island]

modData.HerbsPickedUp is defined somewhere right?

[dull moss]

ye

I got lua where i keep my modData organized and I require it on all my other luas to make sure it loads it first

less typing for me

hey Chuck while I have you here

do you know any smart way of stopping my function from injecting itself into base game function on condition basis?

like I want my function forageSystem.addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems) execute only if XYZ condition is met

(trying to minimize amount of things that can be ran without any need)

[sour island]

uh

Just put an if here:

local original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems = forageSystem.addOrDropItems;
function forageSystem.addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems)
    if (not _discardItems) then
        for item in iterList(_items) do
            print("DTW Logger: picking up item: "..item:getFullType());
        end;
    end
    return (original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems));
end

Seems like you do?

[dull moss]

like here's example

local original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems = forageSystem.addOrDropItems;
function forageSystem.addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems)
    if not _character:HasTrait("Herbalist") and (not _discardItems) then
        for item in iterList(_items) do
            --print("DTW Logger: picking up item: "..item:getFullType());
            local herbs = {
                -- deleted for readability
            }
            for _, herb in pairs(herbs) do
                if herb == item:getFullType() then
                    --print("DTW Logger: picking up herbs: "..item:getFullType())
                    local modData = player:getModData().DynamicTraitsWorld;
                    modData.HerbsPickedUp = modData.HerbsPickedUp + 1;
                    if modData.HerbsPickedUp >= SBvars.HerbalistHerbsPicked then
                        _character:getTraits():add("Herbalist");
                        HaloTextHelper.addTextWithArrow(_character, getText("UI_trait_Herbalist"), true, HaloTextHelper.getColorGreen());
                        break
                    end
                    break
                end
            end
        end
    end
    return (original_forageSystem_addOrDropItems(_character, _inventory, _items, _discardItems));
end```

I use this to catch herbs that player picks up, and I don't want to do that anymore after they got the trait. I put condition inside first if, is that pretty much the best way to go about it without doing too many unnecessary things?

also, is _character == getPlayer()? assumed it is but havent tested it yet

[sour island]

o

hmm

I'd only suggest implementing a key'd table - but idk how much more performance you can get out of it

[dull moss]

I mean honestly doesnt matter much

I hoped I could pick up plants dynamically from forage defs

To account for modded herbs

But couldn't figure it out so just defaulted to some herbs from base game

[dense timber]

need to comm someone to make a mod for me

[dull moss]

[dense timber]

[rancid panther]

how can i give base maintenance xp for repairing a weapon? with no other mechanics to keep it simple?

[faint jewel]

vehicle:table 0x1639368150

[rancid panther]

can i just take
function ISFixAction:perform()
and add player:getXp():AddXP(Perks.Maintenance, exp); to the function?

[sour island]

if (IsoGameCharacter.this.Traits.Pacifist.isSet()) {
                                 if (var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.SmallBlade && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.LongBlade && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.SmallBlunt && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.Spear && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.Maintenance && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.Blunt && var6.getType() != PerkFactory.Perks.Axe) {
                                    if (var6.getType() == PerkFactory.Perks.Aiming) {
                                       var9 *= 0.75F;
                                    }
                                 } else {
                                    var9 *= 0.75F;
                                 }
                              }

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-disappointed-mad-upset-gif-26051034

I'm trying to figure out how to unBoost XP for journals to have true flat XP

Iterator var11 = IsoGameCharacter.this.getDescriptor().getXPBoostMap().entrySet().iterator();

                  label191:
                  while(true) {
                     while(true) {
                        Entry var12;
                        do {
                           if (!var11.hasNext()) {
```I can't even read this

Maybe I'm overthinking it

🤔 0.25 * all XP would simulate the player having 0 starting skills

[agile vigil]

But wouldn't that cause issues with Slow Learner recovering more than the intended XP?

[amber plank]

hey is it possible to somehow play challenge mode through sandbox

i wanna play winter is coming but i wanna edit some values so im wondering if its possible to put that in sandbox

[agile vigil]

Slow Learner, Pacifism, and mods that let you modify XP rates all make me worried about this particular approach 😛

[amber plank]

not a modder just asking

[rancid panther]

my occupations mod causes a crash whenever i try to generate a random character or use a preset character.

[sour island]

Hmm

I don't think those would be an issue

[amber plank]

does no one know

[sour island]

You'd not get back as much

But other than that I think 0.25 would cover the basics

[rancid panther]

this is the only issue i really have with my mod but it's a pretty big one to not be able to use the preset button

[sour island]

The global XP mult would need to be accounted for 🤔

[agile vigil]

How about Strength/Fitness XP? Since their default multipliers are different 🙂

[sour island]

I have the true raw XP -- which is ironically large amounts - it's very strange most XP gets hit by a 0.25 mult

[rancid panther]

is it because i removed vanilla occupations? im using profession framework and havent seen any other mods that use this framework have this issue

and all the professions have starting traits with mutually exclusive traits, but it doesnt have any issue when it comes to normal character generation

[sour island]

I have the XP logic - I can translate it over to Lua

I'm just thinking if I have to

Strength and fitness have a caveat to their xpboost - very weird -- also the sandboxvar excludes passives -- but the code also mentions a second sandbox var

Makes the global mult impact passives too

Is that in game?

[agile vigil]

Whether or not you have to is a very good question. I imagine if all XP (at minimum) had a multiplier of 1.0 - you could just call AddXP with the boolean that disables multipliers.

To take care of multipliers below 1.0, I'm not really sure what to do for elegance - especially if you want it to be compatible with other XP mult mods.

I don't think that's in the game, but I always assumed the global XP mult impacted passives.

[sour island]

It doesn't

I am already disabling the multiplier

The issue is transcribing XP

When you use addXP it's by default at the least being *0.25

[agile vigil]

Well, it might be even less, with Slow Learner - should be 0.7 * 0.25 = 0.175 then.

[sour island]

Ideally the XP being transcribed would be that of a basic unemployed person

[agile vigil]

Yeah I can see that logic.

[sour island]

I don't really mind the slow learner tbh

[agile vigil]

But won't that cause issues where Slow Learners will transcribe ~42% too much XP compared to what they actually gained?

[sour island]

Yeah but I don't see the harm tbh

Fast learner would be transcribing less

[agile vigil]

Fair enough. I'm concerned about players (on dying and re-rolling) getting rid of Slow Learner and suddenly having higher XP values than before.

That also seems problematic. Unless you adjust of slow/fast learner upon reading the journal

[sour island]

They'd have spent the time for it - if not more time

The XP is flat coming out

The multiplier is disabled

That's why the transcribe part is the tricky problem rn

[agile vigil]

This seems a big departure from how it works, currently, just to clarify.

Currently, skill books can be used to get large amounts of XP to write down in the journal. 😄

[sour island]

I know -- before the transcribing was addng post addXP() XP

You could make use of xpBoosts from books, and jobs/traits

I imagine alot of people will upset/confused

[agile vigil]

< Confused! 😄

[sour island]

Especially when the numbers don't match lol

[ruby urchin]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2908053151 a thing

[sour island]

:0

[agile vigil]

[sour island]

Well, gn

I'll keep you updated

[agile vigil]

Night, Chuck. I'm excited to hear what you figure out. I'll have to answer some of the same questions with my strategy, so 😄

[sour island]

I should be able to control TV issues though - I laid the ground work

[agile vigil]

💪

[sour island]

You could also tie in jobs and traits to the XP log to do what you want

[agile vigil]

That is definitely part of my thinking. Perhaps I'll even try something a little ludicrous like giving/removing traits while reading XP from my journal, so I don't have to hard-code any multipliers.

That way you could, for example, read a section by someone with Slow Learner, and temporarily have Slow Learner during that section.

[rancid panther]

i figured out my problem

needed to add a default profession without any free traits

[faint jewel]

is vehicle:getId() always the same?

[eternal garnet]

For anyone that has done a little Melee weapon coding.

For the Melee weapon code, does anyone know for the section for "PushBackMod", Is it the lower the stat for push back is, the more push back it actually does?, or is it the higher the push back stats is, the more push back it does?

I am looking at the Baseball Bat stats and it is showing as having a "PushBackMod" of 0.5, while Dumbbells have a "PushBackMod" stat of 0.5 as well, but then other weapons such as the Broken Bottle and Machete have a "PushBackMod" stat of 0.3, so I am not sure, as how can a Broken Bottle and a Machete have more push back as a pair of Dumbbells, or if it is going in the opposite direction, how is it that a Broken Bottle has more push back than a Baseball Bat.

The same for "SwingTime" as well, is the higher the number the quicker it is, or is it the lower the number is the faster it is?

[opal rivet]

You released it cool

I give it a try tomorrow

Might be cool

[vital ferry]

Hi. Has anyone made a "Cause of Death" mod or any other way to see what I was taking damage from when I die? Or at least what moodles were active?

[patent quiver]

Is there a way to reload mods while the game is running?

[dark arch]

like while you are loaded into a game? you need to use the f11 debug to reload the specific lua files manually

[patent quiver]

But this won't work for scripting files?

[dark arch]

no, only lua unfortunately.

rip hdd users

[ancient grail]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2340608427

[patent quiver]

Is there some attribute to make items grabbable through the context menu?

My item can't be grabbed despite being identical to other magazines. It also seems to float a little.

[ancient grail]

you have to do that using lua

Events.OnFillWorldObjectContextMenu.Add();

[patent quiver]

Cool, thanks.

[ancient grail]

sorry

Events.OnPreFillInventoryObjectContextMenu.Add()

here

the first one is for tiles the second 1 is for items

[patent quiver]

is projectzomboid.com/modding the official documentation?

Or is there none

[bronze yoke]

what do you mean it can't be grabbed?

[patent quiver]

Via right clicking

[bronze yoke]

like you can't take it from a container?

[patent quiver]

From the ground

with the grab option via right clicking

I spawned in another magazine to test and I can right click it and there's a context option that says "grab magazine"

Can't do that with mine.

Gonna try out that function though

The official documentation can't be trusted can it

[bronze yoke]

what makes you say that?

[patent quiver]

I'm asking

[bronze yoke]

it can be trusted

[patent quiver]

Ok cool

Sometimes stuff gets outdated and not updated

you call a function and find out it goes by a different name and takes different arguments now

for example

That's why I was asking

[bronze yoke]

those docs are for 41.77, which means they are one version behind, but it's not major

[agile vigil]

As best I can tell, it's autogenerated from the actual code, so it can't get that far out of wack.

[patent quiver]

That's good to know.

[bronze yoke]

as far as this grab thing goes, it doesn't look like it's something item specific or anything

it should work for any item... i'm not sure why it's not showing up for you

[agile vigil]

Perhaps no space in inventory?

[patent quiver]

No that's definitely not it

I can pick it up through the loot menu and it works for another magazine

Just not the one I created

The item has a bad tooltip, but I don't see how that could affect it. I assigned a tooltip name that doesn't exist.

[bronze yoke]

i think i saw a check for if it is has a name

you might be tripping that?

[patent quiver]

It has an actual name

But I'll give it a tooltip from another item and test just in case

[dapper geode]

Hi, how to disable a context menu that placed inside another contextmenu? I tried to disable some some contextmenu from More Building > Architecture > Wall Style > Gray Cinder Block > Gray Cinder Block Fence (this is the menu I want to disabled since it's buggy and exploitable by players)

[agile vigil]

You don't need to overwrite the tooltip at all, unless that's the entire point 🙂

[patent quiver]

Are you saying it's valid for the item to just not have one?

If so, do I take the "Tooltip" key out as well or just leave the value blank?

[dapper geode]

I tried using this event, but it's only trigger after I right click in the first time to open the contextmenu, so It says error because the script can't find "ContextMenu_GrayCinder_BlockFence"

local function OnFillWorldObjectContextMenu(player, context, worldobjects, test)
    local optionName1 = getText("ContextMenu_GrayCinder_BlockFence");
    local opt1 = context:getOptionFromName(optionName);
    
    opt1.onSelect = nil;
    opt1.notAvailable = true;
    opt1.toolTip = nil
end
Events.OnFillWorldObjectContextMenu.Add(OnFillWorldObjectContextMenu)

[ancient grail]

lol im trying to make all containers locked by default or atleast the stuff are hidden.. but what i accidentally did was every thing is empty... could be a usefull code tho

[agile vigil]

This is an example of a perfectly ordinary custom item.

[patent quiver]

Cool, tooltip is gone then. We'll see if anything changes.

[agile vigil]

Probably not the exact issue, but perhaps you could show the source item, and your modded item so we can see the full changes? 🙂

[patent quiver]

/*Source*/
 item MechanicMag1
    {
        DisplayCategory = SkillBook,
        Weight    =    0.1,
        Type    =    Literature,
        DisplayName    =    Laines Auto Manual - Standard Models,
        Icon    =    MagazineMechanic1,
        TeachedRecipes  =   Basic Mechanics,
        ReplaceOnUse    =   MechanicMag1,
        Tooltip = Tooltip_item_MechanicMag1,
        StaticModel = Magazine,
        WorldStaticModel = MagazineMec1Ground,
    }

/*Custom*/

item HeliBlueprint1
    {
        DisplayCategory = SkillBook,
        Weight    =    0.1,
        Type    =    Literature,
        DisplayName    =    Helicopter Repair Manual Volume 1,
        Icon    =    HeliBlueprint,
        TeachedRecipes  =   HeliComponent1,
        ReplaceOnUse    =   HeliBlueprint1,
        StaticModel = Magazine,
        WorldStaticModel = MagazineHeliBlueprintModel,
    }

and also this:

    model MagazineHeliBlueprintModel
    {
        mesh = WorldItems/Magazine,
        texture = MagazineHeliBlueprint,
        scale = 0.4,
    }

[agile vigil]

No alarm bells ringing here. Very strange about the missing context menu option. There must be something adding the Mechanics Mag to the context menu, since it doesn't straight up use the DisplayName or Category. (Unless the StaticModel is used for the context menu, which seems crazy)

[patent quiver]

Changes are superficial. Just names and textures.

Guess that's testable.

Nope.

[agile vigil]

I'm not finding it in the lua code easily. What was the phrase again "Take magazine"?

Grab magazine, you said.

[patent quiver]

Grab > "Item name"

[agile vigil]

Well it can't be the item name, surely, the other item is called "Laines Auto Manual - Standard Models"

[patent quiver]

For example - Grab > Electronics Magazine Vol. 1

Maybe item name was inaccurate

It's the item name

It does say "Grab > Laines Auto Manual - Standard Models"

[agile vigil]

At this point my best guess is your magazine is just in a cell that looks like you're clicking on it, but really it's in one of the cells nearby. Try picking it up, then dropping it from the inventory (without drag and drop) and see if you can right click at your feet.

[patent quiver]

Yea, I wanted to mention it seems like it might be floating a bit

[agile vigil]

(or if you do drag and drop, do it from inventory panel to inventory panel, rather than from inventory to world)

[patent quiver]

parts of the character model clip UNDER my custom magazine whereas that is not the case with the default ones

It's REALLY minor though.

[humble oriole]

What's the best way to disable xp gain for a recipe?

[ancient grail]

can anyone help. why my code isnt working

SES_C = {}
function SES_C.containerLockOutContext(worldobjects)
    for _, v in ipairs(worldobjects) do
        local square = v:getSquare()
        if square then
            for i = 0, square:getObjects():size() - 1 do
                local object = square:getObjects():get(i)  
                if object:isContainer() then 
                    if object:getModData()['spawned'] ~= true then
                        object:setCanBeLockByPadlock(true)
                        object:setLockedByPadlock(true);
                        if isClient() then object:transmitCompleteItemToServer(); 
                        object:transmitCompleteItemToClients() end
                        getPlayerLoot(0):refreshBackpacks()
                        object:getContainer():setDrawDirty(true);    
                    end
                end
                object:getModData()['spawned'] = true
            end
        end
    end
end
Events.LoadGridsquare.Add(SES_C.containerLockOutContext);

[agile vigil]

Try loading your model and the mechanics model into your editing software and see if you can see any immediate differences. Maybe you're off-centre.

[patent quiver]

I didn't edit any models.

The custom model I'm using is just the mechanic mag model but with a different texture. That's the bottom part of the stuff I copied earlier

[humble oriole]

nvm, I already did this, derp.
OnGiveXP:Recipe.OnGiveXP.None,

[patent quiver]

This is so minor but it's really bugging me

[patent quiver]

You sure it isn't the thing Glytch3r recommended?

Events.OnPreFillInventoryObjectContextMenu.Add()

[agile vigil]

That's how you'd add it manually, but I doubt every item in the base game has this done manually.

[patent quiver]

Have you created custom items?

[agile vigil]

I'm loading up the game with one now, no modifications to models.

[last flax]

Anyone knows why this happens?

Or what means "SkinningData is null"?

[patent quiver]

bruh

[agile vigil]

I think it's related to how your model is acting, based on the info we have.

[last flax]

The warning appears with the doors and trunk, I think it has to do with their animations, because it does not happen with the hood animation

[patent quiver]

I haven't even started writing code yet and I'm having this many problems

[patent quiver]

With the original data just copy/pasted it works as it should. That's interesting.

Well this gives me something to go on

Thanks for the help

[agile vigil]

Re-reading your stuff, I'm not sure it's the model. But maybe try changing just 1 thing at a time, just to see when/if it breaks 😦

[patent quiver]

Yep, will do

[patent quiver]

I didn't mention this, but I had 4 items in that file with similar attributes

I removed them

Could be that's actually what fixed it. Maybe it was syntax related somehow.

[patent quiver]

You're not going to believe it man

It's the fucking icon

Idk HOW

[agile vigil]

IT WHAT

[patent quiver]

Ok so I am using a file that's probably way too large

but

I just

I just don't understand

[agile vigil]

Yeah no, me neither.

That's wild

[patent quiver]

Sure enough, used the smaller version of the icon that I use for the magazine texture and it works.

That's absolutely insane. This is going to be a wild ride...

[patent quiver]

Thanks for proving that my item was not behaving correctly. All fixed now. I'm going to bed...

[tropic tide]

Hi all. I create a special bag in my mod (name TBoT.tbag) and spawn only one in the PZ World. I assign the variable tbag to this container to add some item in game. But when i reload game or create new caractere in the world, il loose the variable tbag ans so i can t add item in the bag.
My question, How can i keep the id of the bag in memory when i reload the game and reassign it to the variable tbag ?

[ancient grail]

make it read write the data

that way you will be able to retrieve it

[tropic tide]

i understant but if i write the variable tbag it send me an error....

[ancient grail]

no imean write it on a file

[tropic tide]

i understand :
local player = getSpecificPlayer(0) tbag=player:getInventory():AddItem("TBoT.Bag_TBoT") local textebot=getModFileWriter("TBoT","tbag.txt",true, false) textebot:write(tbag) textebot:close()
Send me an error and write nothing

[ancient grail]

check if the file is actually there

and how you are reading it

print it to double check

[tropic tide]

the file is present but empty

[ancient grail]

cuz you did send it but when you read it it might be read as 1 string or array or what not

dpends on what you want it to be

[ancient grail]

ah then you might have to fix that writer

cant u use moddata?

waht data are you storing it exactly

[tropic tide]

i dont know modata a quick explanation or link to understand ?

[drifting stump]

You cant save a java object

[tropic tide]

tbag=player:getInventory():AddItem("TBoT.Bag_TBoT")

tbag is the container... i can add item in it after that with :

tbag:getInventory():AddItem("Base.Pistol")

but when i reload the game tbag is empty

[ancient grail]

what is it that you are trying to achieve in the first place?

[tropic tide]

i give a bag to the player. he can put the bag everywhere. And script can interact directly with the bag in certain circonstance to give item

[ancient grail]

what do you mean by he can put everywhere

[tropic tide]

it s a bag.. he can put the bag on the floor

[ancient grail]

cant you just spawn another one

[ancient grail]

ahh thehn when u respawn you want the bag back to the player?

[tropic tide]

no , this bag was representating a sort of base. Keeping item Receive antoher one by script etc...

non i only want to obtain the bag ID to add item in it

[ancient grail]

i dont get it

[tropic tide]

there s only 1 bag in a world

[ancient grail]

idk.. id just despawn it and respawn it if it was my proj

like browser said you cant store the obj

[tropic tide]

how can i recup item in it and despawns it after reload ?

[ancient grail]

store it on an array

or table

someone else with more exp should help you this mod your trying to do is far to complicated for my experience

goodluck

[tropic tide]

thx for your help. You give me some idea

[drifting stump]

You cant do it that way

[neon bronze]

is there a way to see all possible events in-game? Or more specifically is there an event for when a player is freshly spawned in?

[drifting stump]

new character or started playing

[neon bronze]

new char freshly made

so also should fire when you die and make a new char in the same save file

[drifting stump]

could use oncreateplayer and store in moddata if youve performed whatever you want to

[neon bronze]

does it fire when i make a new char after my previous died?

[drifting stump]

should do

[tropic tide]

https://pzwiki.net/wiki/Modding:Lua_Events

[neon bronze]

yep just found it

thanks

local function onCreatePlayer(playerIndex, player)
    local wallet = getPlayer():getInventory():AddItem("VM.Leather_Wallet")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.10Bill")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill")
end
Events.onCreatePlayer.Add(onCreatePlayer)

What am i doing wrong here??

[smoky meadow]

hey guys i just want to ask
can somebody explain what this modifiers all about?
ToHitModifier
AimingPerkCritModifier
AimingPerkRangeModifier
AimingPerkHitChanceModifier
AimingPerkMinAngleModifier

[drifting stump]

why are you doing getPlayer? you already have the player

[neon bronze]

yeah that too, but it doesnt fire even after i fixed the name to OnCreatePlayer

that was the correct name of the event

actually where do such things go folder-wise?

[drifting stump]

client

[neon bronze]

hmm, seems like that doesnt fire for already active saves

i started a new save and it does work but on my already present save

[drifting stump]

did you enable the mod in the main menu or in the save

[neon bronze]

in the save

how can you alter what items spawn in the containers in the world?

[tropic tide]

try this :
local function CreatePlayer local player = getSpecificPlayer(0) player:getInventory():AddItem("VM.Leather_Wallet") player:getInventory():AddItem("VM.10Bill") player:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill") player:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill") end Events.onCreatePlayer.Add(CreatePlayer)

[ancient grail]

Did u fix all of the times u mentioned it or just function? U have to fix it on the event too

The event itself

[neon bronze]

function OnCreatePlayer(playerIndex, player)
    local wallet = player:getInventory():AddItem("VM.Leather_Wallet")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.10Bill")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill")
    wallet:getInventory():AddItem("VM.5Bill")
end
Events.OnCreatePlayer.Add(OnCreatePlayer)

This is how it looks right now and it works how it should on the new save

[ancient grail]

refer to my code here

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2895172117

@neon bronze

[neon bronze]

What is it for?

[ancient grail]

spawning right

item

[neon bronze]

Ah i see

But i think i got it correct now

[ancient grail]

you spawn with items on this mod

ow ok cool

[neon bronze]

Distributions.lua is responsible for spawning items in container right?

[lapis glen]

Hey/

I need help modifying a mod for my own usage

[fast galleon]

@neon bronze
ItemPickerJava is
but definitions are in lua, e.g Distributions,ProceduralDistributions, etc

[lapis glen]

Basicly

I want to modify https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2907683021

[neon bronze]

Thanks do you know by chance how the zeds loot is defined?

[lapis glen]

So i do not need to pick the profession to select the traits

If anyone is willing to help please dm me

[fast galleon]

zombie loot depends on their outfit, it's in table SuburbsDistributions.all. e.g "inventoryfemale", "inventorymale","Outfit_Inmate"

[void fractal]

yeah it's pretty easy

or SHOULD be if the mod author didn't make it hard ofc

[lapis glen]

Great

he gave me some info already

[void fractal]

lemme sub to the mod so that i can make the traits non-profession

[lapis glen]

Wait just like that?

[void fractal]

well yeah it shouldn't be very hard lol

[lapis glen]

Was thinking i would do it hands down by my self with a bit of guidance

[void fractal]

do you want to do it yourself?

[lapis glen]

Yeah but with guidance of course

[void fractal]

ok ill still download it just to see how its put together

oh he made it really easy to make it non-profession

i believe

[lapis glen]

Ah!

So please guide where to go.

[void fractal]

right so are you inside the workshop folder

[lapis glen]

Yep

In "ui_en"

[void fractal]

you dont need to be in UI_EN that is translations

[lapis glen]

Ah

[void fractal]

you need to go to lua > client > insurgenttraits

[lapis glen]

Yep in there

[void fractal]

right so

lemme get the uh

pz modding thingy up to show u

do you know what traits are profession only?

[lapis glen]

Basically all of them.

[void fractal]

that shouldn't be the case...? all the traits seem to have profession set to off

this is how traitfactory.addtrait works

[lapis glen]

What?

[void fractal]

and the boolean that's called "profession" is set to false in basically all of them

[lapis glen]

But if you run the mod.

[void fractal]

let me run it rq

Ohhhh i see why it says profession false

it adds the traits to the trait menu when you select the profession

holdon imma have to do a bit of reading to see where that's handled

[thick karma]

Oh, nice, I might borrow this snippet to spawn my Yogis with a copy of their books

[sour island]

Wouldn't that spawn the items every time the player loads in?

[thick karma]

Good point; I'll modify it to check whether I have the item first

Heads up appreciated! @sour island

[pseudo ermine]

this might be a super niche question but is there any mod that lets you configure multiple screens

as in

having the hud dedicated to a monitor seperately so its not on top of gameplay would be lovely

[sour island]

There's a mod that let's you do something like that but I heard it's pretty janky

You can move windows off the screen.
For example, you can move ingame health info panel to the edge of the screen and further.
It DOES NOT help with the second screen/monitor.

nvm

[thick karma]

I cannot help with this, but I do have a mod for selectively hiding parts of the hud that you don't need to see most of the time.

[pseudo ermine]

nah im more of the "i must see all information all of the time" sorta guy

lol

[thick karma]

Totally hear ya, n.w.

[pseudo ermine]

ty tho

[thick karma]

Yep!

Haha I am the play Sekiro hudless and feel like it's among the greatest things in singleplayer gaming kinda guy lmao.

[pseudo ermine]

oh i usually play fromsoft with autohud

besides ds1

i feel like sekiro hudless would be kinda annoying tho cuz i attack differently based on boss health lol

[thick karma]

Haha I do not

I play Sekiro 100% pressure never get hit

That's always my goal

My goal is not affected by boss health

[pseudo ermine]

fair just like for example

[thick karma]

Haha

[pseudo ermine]

mibu corrupted monk, for a handful of attacks you can either parry or dodge and get more hits in the punish

[ancient grail]

Hey @thick karma hello 🙂

[pseudo ermine]

early in the fight, parrys do NOTHING because its on full health

[thick karma]

(note, we are talking Sekiro, so I often fail in my goal.)
(my goal remains unchanged nonetheless)

[pseudo ermine]

lmao

get health lower, parrys do more, change attack strat :p

anyway offtopic xd

[thick karma]

Haha eventually I got it all done but there were some tough fights.

[pseudo ermine]

fingers crossed a multi monitor hud mod comes out one day

[thick karma]

I didn't literally no-hit most bosses but I did one-shot everyone in Sekiro terms (I played through game reloading on death, so I didn't use respawning)

[pseudo ermine]

ahh fair

[thick karma]

Which is not easy since many bosses CAN one-hit you

If you don't use respawns

[pseudo ermine]

i got to owl on a kusabimaru-only no-WA no-upgrade run but quit just cuz i got bored and the poison attack lmao

[thick karma]

And I did no-hit a good handful of them after dying a lot

[thick karma]

Hahaha yeah no judgment game is brutal

[pseudo ermine]

more of a souls palyer tho

[thick karma]

That's what makes it so awesome

[pseudo ermine]

yeah

[thick karma]

Always brutal but surmountable

Even first boss is beatable

[pseudo ermine]

lol yeah

[thick karma]

Albeit with great effort

(I reloaded until beating him too)

[pseudo ermine]

i was super dissapointed when i beat early genichiro after i went into ng+

[thick karma]

Bahahaha

I feel like in NG+ he is not too bad

[pseudo ermine]

cuz i was like "really, vanguard demon gave me a bunch of loot and a dragon god easter egg and sekiro i literally parry him then the same animation plays???"

[thick karma]

In NG when you have nothing it's p rough but doable

[pseudo ermine]

i usually manage it on NG

[thick karma]

TBH I had more trouble beating opening "unbeatable" boss of Elden Ring

That took more hours of practice for me than Genichiro

(with a Warrior)

[pseudo ermine]

meh i didnt like ER so never played another run, didnt actually beat it

[thick karma]

(not with a damn bow and shield pssh)

The windows for not taking damage by dodging in ER are small, character is slow, and opening boss swings everywhere lmao

[pseudo ermine]

lol

[thick karma]

Sekiro instinct to dodge toward things helped me win that, but it was still extremely hard.

[pseudo ermine]

i got to mohg margott margit mongoose (dude in lyndell capital with a sword thats the same model as the first required boss)

[thick karma]

I played through ER with a Sifu buddy at launch

[pseudo ermine]

was like level 50 and just went... yeah nah im not having fun anymore

[thick karma]

Now if you like SP action

you HAVE to play Sifu

[pseudo ermine]

lmao

[thick karma]

That game is a gem

[pseudo ermine]

i played er no magic no summons or spirit emblems

[thick karma]

Oh yeah I never used magic in my first run lmao

Booooo

Cut counter dodge jump

And grapple when allowed

[pseudo ermine]

sorry bud xd

devs sold out

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick karma]

Are they eventually putting Sifu on Steam?

I actually had no clue

[pseudo ermine]

yea in march

[thick karma]

I grabbed on Epic because I couldn't resist, was too hyped for that game.

[pseudo ermine]

fair

[thick karma]

And I have resisted before

[pseudo ermine]

id argue its better to pirate it *then get it on steam but meh

[thick karma]

I waited for FF7R (and I)

[thick karma]

Ethically I could see that argument

[pseudo ermine]

well if you know ur gonna pay for it when it comes to steam anyway and stick to that moral, then its fine imo

means you dont give epic money, therefore tencent and even the ccp money lmao

[thick karma]

But then again ethically probably better still to drop out of the society of greed and blood entirely, but here I am playing games and making them more appealing to people for free

lmao humanity!

[agile vigil]

@sour island
Unrelated to the XP thing you're working on, I think I found a reasonable way to do XP-while-reading with only decoration.

Essentially, when starting a read, ISReadABook:new, I set the number of pages on the book (and the unread page count on the player) to a suitable amount for the XP stored (and not yet read).

Then I decorate ISReadABook:update and ISReadABook:stop for updates to the read page count and whenever you successfully read a page, I award the next N xp.

It's fairly simple code, and means it has compatibility with read faster while seated, while walking etc. mods out of the box.

[thick karma]

Definitely I hear you on that.

[pseudo ermine]

i just think its a shite company, every game ive pirated besides abandonware and played for over 2 hours ive bought on steam

except danganronpa 1 which i still have to re-buy actually

[neon bronze]

Anyone knows how you can add Scrollbars to your panel?

[thick karma]

For sure. Honestly, if I had a reliable pirated copy available at the time I was trying to play Sifu, I would have been open to it

But ultimately I had $40 and didn't want to spend time looking, or dealing with update hassles, etc.

[pseudo ermine]

fitgirl has it

fyi ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thick karma]

well now it's a bit late

[pseudo ermine]

lmao

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I don't think Epic's gonna refund me haha

I've got like 100+ hours in

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they dont refund people even if they dont get their content 💀

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I admitted the game was good when they asked

Bahahaha

Ya know?

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hm?

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Epic occasionally asks how you like games now

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oh yeah

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It's their review system

Definitely designed to inflate scores

No doubt

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i know and its incredibly dumb and clear what they are doing

yeah exactly

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But nevertheless I answered honestly about Sifu

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because big shareholders at game publishers dont like steam reviews

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Because that game was 100% worth my $40

I think every 6 year old should have to beat Sifu without dying.

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even tho basically all consumers love steam reviews because they are an amazing system for any site to have so clearly labelled

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When they succeed, they can go back to normal school.

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lmao

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Why are you laughing at my plan for fixing America?

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its my panic reaction when i see an idea so impeccable

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😄

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can we bring this to the UK too i believe we can benifit from such a system too

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Definitely, and after a few test launches we'll go global

Sifu Saves the World 2023

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\[T]/

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No doubt anyone with a brain knows Steam has among the best existing review mechanisms in capitalism for consumers

Not just in gaming

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yeah

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But shout-out to Amazon for adding the precise average in tiny font beside the ⭐ recently, that is pretty clutch

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its like tim sweeny simply doesnt understand that steam is so dominant because of good features and putting the consumer first

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Nice to not have to mouseover or click anywhere to know exactly what the positive rate is

I WISH Steam did that

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they arent perfect, the refund systems ahve been hit and missed and they have fucked around and found out with french laws

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ESPECIALLY FOR MODS

Steams review system for mods is honestly garbage

lol

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agreed

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So many consumers think a 3-star mod is ~60% positive rate

So damn confusing.

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they also spurred on the lootbox system with csgo and tf2 cosmetics but still steam just has so many features and stuff

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for terrible reasons

basically bad people modders ruined it for everyone.

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a h

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So now instead of being a bad representation of the scores of bad modders' mods, it's a bad representation of ALL mods that haven't achieved sufficient popularity.

Oof nice fix Steam

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ahh igy

i prefer nexus anyway in general

its a bit less convinient and FUCK having to subscribe for download speed (and log in for any downloads)

but i find the site to just be rly nice to use and find old versions and stuff

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(If you're unaware, your positive rate is not directly tied to stars until like 200 reviews on Steam, but shows up long before that. I have mods that had 93% upvotes that were showing up with 3 stars because they hadn't been rated enough. My 98% still has 4 stars).

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oh thats so ass

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Oh it's super ass

Someone showed up on one of my mods asking why it was rated so low when it works well

I was like TYSFM FOR ASKING lmao

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im rly casual with mods and only tend to use popular stuff anyway but i see how that can fuck over new modders

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Because I don't want to just whine about this at the top of my mod descriptions

But given a chance to answer someone in my comments oh yes.

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yea

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I see it as a huge and stupid and easily avoidable issue

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thanks for the tip lol ill make sure to check actual comments and stuff on "low rated" small mods :p

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Yes indeed I have learned the same

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how hard is modding pz?

it seems like a fairly easy one to get started with

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I mean it's pretty subjective based on your programming / modding experience

I have probably above average programming experience and some modding experience coming into things