[SPOILERS] Star-Crossed World

[civic sun]

||anyway for Genwel, hard to tell if the Core looks like that because of the Starries, if it's something Void-related, and/or something else (though worth noting Antares also already had similar pattern on it)||

[finite coral]

||yea i think its stariies cuz of the pupil having the same symbol as the starries, but next to that starties and elfilis are not the same species.||

[civic sun]

||also wondering if Core is normally supposed to be like that location-wise (and the Elfilin split fucked things up for Elfilis) or if it can be in different places regardless||

[civic sun]

||I mean yeah, not sure how later part is related||

[finite coral]

||yeah its so weird that since star allies, every game including that one after has it ingame.||

[civic sun]

||I'm saying because it consumed them (and crystal floors have that pattern)||

||old comparison thing||

[finite coral]

||im just so confused why chaos/fecto didnt have one. even after gaining the genwel spear it did gain eyebally stuff but not that pattern.||

[civic sun]

||eye is weird yeah, it is Starry-like though and it only really consumed them, but like Elfilis's doesn't really have an animal-like one?||

||though Fecto Elfilis's also contains Elfilin obviously, so could partially be another split thing....||

[finite coral]

||i feel like the games are building towards something with these specific orbs, but i cant figure out what.||

||also how dare they not make a figure for phase 3😭||

u cant just put that in the game and not eleborate

||and WHY the galacta knight pink crystal???||

[finite coral]

||I wonder what genwel would look like without having consumed the starries? i think just a gray version of fecto. just gotta take away all the four pointed star patterns and crystal stuff.||

[civic sun]

||seems to be more reddish/pink||

[finite coral]

||but with them now tying Neichel and the Lor starcutter together as one and the same i think its unpridictable to know where theyre going with this.||

||oh yeah also, i thought that hyness was an ancient? but theres a debate about if the ancients where humans or not.||

[civic sun]

||can already basically see the Larva form inside the meteor, and when it breaks out it's pinkish (and the part of it used to make the Galactals was also pink)||

[civic sun]

||ancients aren't a single species/group||

[finite coral]

also this might be a reach but

[civic sun]

||GK is ancient too but he's not either of those, nor is Yggy (ancient tree); also even for Jambastion-Halcandra-new world which seem to be related, they have differences in things like language and probably can't be fully considered the same 'group' anyway||

[civic sun]

||here's the Mast texture, almost certainly based on it||

[finite coral]

||yeah and did the ancient come up woth the symbol cuz they saw the starries first, or are the starries ancients/creations the ancient made once they arived on halcandra. also the ship orb says halcandra on the side so we know they went from forgotten land to there.||

[native mauve]

||It says Halcandra???||

[finite coral]

yes

[native mauve]

||I was not here for this||

[civic sun]

||I doubt they made the Starries (also the New World does not have Halcandra text on it)||

[native mauve]

send

I wanna look

[native mauve]

||doesn't thar say THE WONDERIA NEW WORLD TYPE-0||

[civic sun]

||The Spaceship; New World; Type-0||

[native mauve]

Oh right

||it was spaceship||

[finite coral]

wait what then where did i read halcandra

[native mauve]

Idk

[civic sun]

||but yeah they definitely went to (places like) Halcandra anyway||

||Jambastion also has similarities in language, but they aren't exact||

||love my ファルダ and ハルダ (new world and Jambastion for 'heart', respectively)||

[finite coral]

oh i saw it on twitter but it was a mistake sorryyy

||well we know the ship that left IS what became the lor starcutter||

this cracks me up now knowing what we know now

[nimble pewter]

tbh ||don't think she will||

ehh idk man

it might have been referring to the kirby species in this context

alternatively it's possible kumazaki is good at making shit up and fitting it in

||remember hyness was trying to create a good void until he found the jamba heart and it drove him mad||

[civic sun]

||bored so another comparison thing to have for later (not gonna include the rest of Chaos Elfilis shenanigans on here, like it changes the look too much for most of those anyway)||

[ruby geode]

dang I wonder who translated that interview

[nimble pewter]

||perhaps the starries wanted a good void version too||
||that's assuming kumazaki actually planned 7 years in advance instead of making this up retroactively||

||it's less to debunk any connection and more to debunk a specific interpretation of a connection||

but then ||what does that make fecto, who has pretty much no connection and yet is genwel's brother||

[civic sun]

||I mean they also use 祈り just like the song does anyway (different line but very close by)||

[nimble pewter]

||genwel has to be a member of elfilis's species and the void lines have to mean something else entirely||

especially since ABV didn't have them at all

[broken sapphire]

when was that first part said

[civic sun]

||yeah, all that was said is he originally wanted to worship it peacefully||

[finite coral]

||i mean she kinda did. as lor. not sure if its literaly her uploaded or a copy of her.||

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[nimble pewter]

implied heavily

[civic sun]

||nothing about straight-up bringing it back iirc||

[nimble pewter]

never stated but

hyness was originally good but still going after void

[broken sapphire]

when

ive never seen anyone think that

[nimble pewter]

the most reasonable interpretation is that originally he was trying to create a good version of void

[ruby geode]

no this is a common misconception

kumazaki even confirmed hyness always had a wicked heart

[agile sigil]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLon7aIPHE1QRHW3PVFinNjl_O11SZRE20&si=DdnzwNVibQJ5UcwG

[broken sapphire]

yeah

[nimble pewter]

doesnt the game say him finding the jamba heart drove him muts

[ruby geode]

ohhh is this complete

[broken sapphire]

more like nuts-er

[nimble pewter]

doesnt the ingame dialogue in update 4 go against this

[civic sun]

think it's a bit of both

[agile sigil]

Extensions of SCW songs in here

[nimble pewter]

like really hard

[broken sapphire]

it just made it worse

[ruby geode]

idk man if you don't remember then don't ask me because I don't remember either

[nimble pewter]

update 4 mages dialogue not basegame hyness dialogue

[civic sun]

he was originally decently good, but always had wicked heart in him, and Jamba Heart made it worse and apparent probably

[ruby geode]

how so

[broken sapphire]

probably similar to sectonia
and probably similar to haltmann
and honestly probably similar to fecto elfilis after being trapped for ages
you know these games all have pretty similar stories when you think about it

[ruby geode]

do you mean the mages

[nimble pewter]

yeah
but also the mages's backstories

[civic sun]

Mages thing was already implied base game

[ruby geode]

mages backstory is just that hyness saved her, that doesn't mean anything though

we don't know the reasons for him to do that

[nimble pewter]

once again the games imply haltmann and sectonia weren't evil

until dark meta knight/the portal accident and star dream occured

[ruby geode]

not really, the games only say they turned even worse

[broken sapphire]

i mean haltmann still like took materials from random planets

they're most likely abandoned but still

[ruby geode]

sectonia we know very little we just know she got worse

[broken sapphire]

and sectonia was still a ruler i think and we all know every ruler is inherently evil /j

[nimble pewter]

king dedede in rtdl onwards

[ruby geode]

yeah dedede is the most evil kirby character

[broken sapphire]

more importantly she's still like a parasite

[civic sun]

tbf so is Taranza

but like he uses his powers like that

[ruby geode]

anyway other than ig dedede and some other getting possessed to turn evil like adeleine too, most main kirby villains are said to have gone madder due to some events but it's never explained like what they were like before

[nimble pewter]

the implication is usually meant to be they weren't already that way anyways

[ruby geode]

but yeah it's funny that (final boss) ||elfilis brother still haven't memorized his name has a funny orb around his antlers because ig why not??? I found that so funny ~~is that baby galacta knight ~~||

[broken sapphire]

remember the theory that magolor only went bad and tried to steal the master crown because of it influencing him from a distance or something

[nimble pewter]

it feels like what's going on here is a case of "not confirmed so therefore it's 100% false"

[ruby geode]

yeah I always found this funny 😭

[broken sapphire]

||now imagining a baby galacta knight and it's hilarious||

[nimble pewter]

and the series is capable of writing villains who are bad on their own (magolor, dl1 dedede, the dark matter species, elfilis, etc)

[broken sapphire]

yeah
and hyness

[nimble pewter]

i just think that with sectonia/hyness/haltmann/arguably the master crown too that they weren't bad from the outset

[ruby geode]

I feel we had a similar convo before, and once again that is not what anyone is saying/the impression I'm getting

[nimble pewter]

the world around them corrupted them

[nimble pewter]

that's because I think it's an issue with the base generally at this point

these people would probably say (undertale spoilers) ||Flowey was still evil when he was Asriel in the past||

[civic sun]

||I think it's its Core, sort of like how Elfilis has one, but in different spot? but will have to wait until guidebook to find out probably||

[ruby geode]

the thing is, when you present things like this that aren't confirmed, it's also hard to have discussions about people's personal theories

[nimble pewter]

fair enough

but i feel like people ignore the vibe a story is going for
like imo not everything needs to be stated

[ruby geode]

||yeah but what is odd though is that for elfilis ig that was their "true form" but for elfilis brother that exists alongside their humanoid form so???????????||

[nimble pewter]

if the guidebook says ||it has no relation to void|| we're cooked

[civic sun]

||do wonder if Elfilin split fucked with something and if they're always supposed to be there?||

[fast crest]

Be careful what you wish for. I know Bandai Namco can and will sell things for 7,650 JPY or 8,760 JPY because of goroawase

[ruby geode]

just because you interpret something one way doesn't mean that's factually said about a story. the issue is you saying "oh sectonia was never evil" when that is not ever confirmed and up to interpretation. the "vibe" you get may not be the vibe everyone else gets. this series as a whole likes leaving gaps and letting people interpret the stories their own way and there's no correct or incorrect way of doing it as long as it doesn't contradict confirmed facts

[nimble pewter]

again, i see this and i see your point
but at the same time

it feels like borderline victim blaming sometimes

basically saying they were already evil and that they were just less sane
why is sectonia's story treated tragically if she was already a jenova ff7-esque monster from the start

[ruby geode]

one way to help is simply presenting it like

"from my view sectonia was not evil originally"

rather than

"sectonia was never evil"

the nuance matters

[smoky river]

Hey guys

Have you seen my art in #canvas-curse

[nimble pewter]

ok so i can kind of see the argument for hyness that he was an antivillain or at the very least had some care for those around himand was made insane and "HAPPYBIRTHDAYDARKLORD" and a sexist by the sheer darkness in the jamba heart

but like
i believe that haltmann, and sectonia weren't evil originally because of the way the game presents their stories

you're meant to feel bad for them and what happened, but if haltmann was already exterminating savages and sectonia was already executing people and being a tyrant, why should i feel bad that star dream deleted haltmann's memories or that some darkness in the mirror (which i believe to be DMK due to him being the only thing shown in the mirror by the game) gave sectonia body dysmorphia

[vocal sparrow]

||I should make a cover of Neichel’s last song should I?||

[nimble pewter]

that's why I believe haltmann and sectonia were not originally evil

[tidal spindle]

Go for it if you wanna

[nimble pewter]

does this make sense

it's similar with hyness, we don't know what he was like before, but if he was already full maniac mode before the jamba heart, why should I want to save him? Why wouldn't I send him to his doom?

[vocal sparrow]

||WAIT A MINUTE||

[nimble pewter]

This means that in my opinion, pre jamba heart hyness was at worst anti-villainous/originally believed that void termina would create a new paradise world

[vocal sparrow]

||Is the first part of Prescient stirring fa-lu-wa-a song Morse code?!||

[nimble pewter]

why does that song name sound like the patriots from metal gear

||fa lu wa a||
||la li lu le lo||

[fast crest]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sky-walker-hayden-christensen-star-wars-point-of-view-jedi-are-evil-gif-14424424

literally all I could think of seeing this out of context

[ruby geode]

LOL

[junior zealot]

I do wish we knew more about Sectonia and Taranza's past

Especially since backgrounds of most characters afterwards are more clearly defined

Maybe that's gonna be a job for another game later 😔

[vocal sparrow]

||https://youtu.be/BGQMEtGM9Zo 0:02 to 0:10 must be something in morse code||

[heady quiver]

taranza prologue…

[slim sparrow]

its ok kumazaki will put random stuff referencing them in every game 🙏

[gleaming holly]

Beat ultimate cup z ex on my first try lol

[junior zealot]

This is literally what happens so far 😭

[heady quiver]

eventually they’re gonna spill on who sectonia was before she saw the mirror they left that wide open already

[junior zealot]

A game will have NOTHING to do with floralia or popstar in general but. Taranza crumbs are here

||fucking tkcdx track title in UCZEX||

[slim sparrow]

magolor prologue: oh nooo im in hell oh noo the errors of my ways
taranza prologue:

[junior zealot]

Im telling you. This is arguably the biggest unresolved thing so far cuz like

We know the rules. Anyone who looked in the mirror gets a shadow/dark counterpart

Where is shadow sectonia.

[slim sparrow]

also dead

[junior zealot]

Boring

She should be alive and ponder existence when her prime counterpart died

[tidal spindle]

Taranza prologue when he has to survive 3 minutes in cabbage cavern’s water segments. (The blippers are coming)

[junior zealot]

Would be even better if she was a counterpart of a pre-transformation self

[civic sun]

it would be funny if she used the bodysnatching on it

[slim sparrow]

taranza prologue where if you fail the whimsical goldilocks puzzle he cries

[broken sapphire]

i speculated this yesterday

[junior zealot]

Because DMK suggests that shadow counterparts are imperfect and only catch a person at a certain point in time

(DMK still has old sword design)

[slim sparrow]

theres someone i know who has a cool oc that’s like that

[broken sapphire]

the dimension mirror had no more bad thoughts after dark mind was defeated, so there was no mirror sectonia, but regular sectonia fed it more bad thoughts, which was enough to let shadow dedede appear in dededetour

[slim sparrow]

sectonia doesnt have an awesome evil clone because it would be too cool

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-thats-just-a-theoyry-theyory-thery-theory-gif-21309496

[junior zealot]

Wouldn't it mean that her evil thoughts would be enough to make her own counterpart too
Either way imo the fact that this was never addressed is omega suspicious

Like Kumazaki usually ponders such possibilities but here's just. Silent

Not even Clash explored this

[tidal spindle]

Yk I never thought of that detail implying anything about the nature of shadow clones. Always thought the sword having 3 prongs was just a cute nod to that era of Kirby. Did it also have the old design in tdx?

[junior zealot]

We got Shadow Taranza at least

A boyfailure x1000

(i hope it's a skin/costume in air riders)

[broken sapphire]

maybe

[civic sun]

Dark Taranza better be in (if Taranza gets in), love his look

[broken sapphire]

first we gotta get taranza in air riders at all

[junior zealot]

In TDX it wouldnt matter because during that era MK still had old sword design

[civic sun]

the Sectonia-esque vibes

[junior zealot]

SA was the first game with the new sword design

[junior zealot]

She really made him worse in spirit

[junior zealot]

Im fairly confident he will appear
If he wont at least we will have memes

[vocal sparrow]

||I still think there’s Morse code in Prescient Stirring Fa-lu-wa-a Song… I’m i wrong?||

[broken sapphire]

[junior zealot]

I mean if fucking kine can show up as cameo. Im sure spooder has a chance

[nimble pewter]

again though, if sectonia was already evil from the outset, why does the game portray this as sympathetic

[nimble pewter]

no it was a reskin galaxia in that game

[junior zealot]

Because these games have good writing and give depth even to villains?

[tidal spindle]

actually no, looking back yea there is still a distinction
Metaknight’s sword wasn’t the flagship era three prongs at that point so even then dmk’s sword if is still clearly the old one
That is really good attention to detail on hal’s end

[junior zealot]

I mean Haltmann portrayed as sympathetic but i doubt he was a good person before lol

[nimble pewter]

but to me me it's taking her depths away for "she was always just like this"

[broken sapphire]

i didn't even say that
amazing mirror kinda implies that everyone has bad thoughts, even kirby, and those can all gather into the mirror and in most cases create the mirror clones

[nimble pewter]

wow nvm

[junior zealot]

Not arguing that Sectonia was evil per say we just don't know much about her past in the first place

[junior zealot]

Yeah

Frankly only cool lore Flagship added

[nimble pewter]

but one person's being enough to make the mirror evil again

[broken sapphire]

true lol

[nimble pewter]

would imply that they are, in fact, evil from the outset

[junior zealot]

I really like the idea that even a character like Kirby is not a saint

[broken sapphire]

just enough to make shadow dedede

but only after she stared at it for ages

[nimble pewter]

and turn sectonia insane and give dmk more power and-

[broken sapphire]

not enough to make her own mirror counterpart

[vocal sparrow]

||Besides I’m not good at translating Morse code sadly||

[broken sapphire]

for whatever reason

[tidal spindle]

Shadow kirby not being evil because kirby is pure of heart or something is one thing, but dudes still a trickster and thats really cute.

[smoky river]

Cant wait for sectonia to return in the next game for some reason.

[nimble pewter]

or maybe it did

[broken sapphire]

i don't think there's any room for a sectonia mirror clone to have existed in the story

[nimble pewter]

basically i'd be more willing to believe DMK isn't responsible if THIS was mirror sectonia

[broken sapphire]

what

https://tenor.com/view/ihykeon-math-spongebob-fish-sponge-plus-star-equals-clam-gif-24207116

[nimble pewter]

if dededetour sectonia was meant to be mirror sectonia then i'd probably argue that was responsible rather than assuming it was dmk

[tidal spindle]

Maybe, maybe taranza will finally find closure hopefully.
Also on a side note I do find it really interesting for how both PR and TDX’s stories deal with the loss of someone close, but susie isn’t really treated like she’s in grieving. But every prominent taranza appearance feels like they mention or parallel his loss in some way, especially star allies with its descriptions say what you want about fans overplaying his grief but its kinda easy to do that when its almost always brought up

[broken sapphire]

i still don't know why people think it COULD even be dmk

[civic sun]

why would DMK be responsible in general yeah lmao

[ruby geode]

(final boss)

[broken sapphire]

kumazaki said it was the mirror's power, and there's literally never been any implication dark meta knight could "corrupt" anyone or ahytbing

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[tidal spindle]

Because
Mirror problem, dmk in mirror
Mirror=dmk, problem=dmk

[broken sapphire]

the only real reason i can think of for why the theory exists is because dark meta knight was just in the mirror world, he was just there

[nimble pewter]

process of elimination imo

[civic sun]

Dimension Mirror's just been corrupted since AM, DMK didn't cause it in that game (and was born from it even just like Shadow Kirby), and obviously he didn't cause it in TKCD with the distorted black Dimension Mirror

[nimble pewter]

by virtue of there being nothing else left

[nimble pewter]

also the game doesn't really allude to any alternatives

[civic sun]

and TKCD has it do the exact same thing to Taranza

[nimble pewter]

amazing mirror implies that it was something in the mirror more than the mirror just being evil

and neither dark mind nor a mirror sectonia appear in the game

but dmk does

therefore he's genuinely the most likely target

[civic sun]

I mean, Shadow Kirby also exists, if we want to assume it's just from them still existing in general

but either way neither is seen in TKCD

[nimble pewter]

i mean the black dimension mirror could be d-mind/dark mind's doing in of itself?

[civic sun]

no it can not

[nimble pewter]

but even then the corrupt clash mirror is pretty distinctly not the original

seems like an evil knockoff of it almost

[nimble pewter]

i mean dmk was also born of the mirror's power

[civic sun]

D-Mind was created from Taranza's fucking around with the distorted black Dimension Mirror, and his evil thoughts gathering within it (and is also partially from what Dark Taranza imagined as the strongest warrior)

[nimble pewter]

and it's implied that taranza was being messed with by his own reflection?

[civic sun]

no?

Dark Taranza was also created by him fucking around with the mirror

it's a reflection of the darkness in his heart like literally every other Dimension Mirror-made counterpart

Shadow Kirby also has it stated, DMK also has it stated, Shadow Dedede is heavily implied with the pause screen

[civic sun]

meanwhile this specific part is mentioned on TKCD site post

[nimble pewter]

i mean after it was created

[civic sun]

also it's literally called the distorted black Dimension Mirror. can't get any more specific than that
it's probably just even more corrupted

[nimble pewter]

iirc no

[tidal spindle]

I wonder what would happen if the dark mirror and dimensional mirror were at the same place at the same time. I wonder if anything were to happen if you put them infront of eachother too

[nimble pewter]

it was just called the black mirror

[civic sun]

probably not? seems like it was literally just born when the fight started

[civic sun]

ingame, Kuma used full name in interview

(it also uses DimensionMirror internally iirc)

[true aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-book-fire-fire-book-his-writing-is-fire-as-a-child-i-yearned-for-the-mines-gif-7492916682126134420

[broken sapphire]

elimination of who?

[nimble pewter]

the other candidates

[broken sapphire]

whwo

[nimble pewter]

also if the mirror was inherently evil why did we bother saving the mirror world

[broken sapphire]

if it's said to be the dimension mirror why are there candidates

[civic sun]

(translation from https://www.tumblr.com/syzekrom/683692319792414720/)

[nimble pewter]

hypothetical shadow sectonia and dark mind

[civic sun]

it was fine until evil thoughts gathered into the mirror

[nimble pewter]

that power created them

[tidal spindle]

Moral of the story, interview and online post lore matters but my goodness is it bad that its so inaccessible

[ruby geode]

btw if anyone is curious starpunch from wikirby translated all figure descriptions of SCW from japanese || https://wikirby.com/wiki/User:StarPunch/Figures_(Japanese) ||

[civic sun]

it originally granted wishes

[nimble pewter]

hypothetical shdow sectonia, dark mind, dmk

[broken sapphire]

dark mind is basically just the manifestation of the evil in the dimension mirror, so that would basically be the same candidate as the mirror itself

shadow sectonia doesn't exist as far as we know

[nimble pewter]

ehh dark mind is probably meant to be a little more than that

the eye of dark mind, anyways

[broken sapphire]

specifically evil minds gathered within the mirror

that's his whole backstory

they just kinda became an eyeball guy

[nimble pewter]

wonder who that could include

[broken sapphire]

except in kirby clash where he became an eyeball dedede

[nimble pewter]

why does the eye not change but everything else can change/be amorphous

[broken sapphire]

well he also has the mask

[civic sun]

||do wonder why they wrote アーレス like that, it's not a common spelling of Ares is it? do wonder if there's more to that||

[broken sapphire]

and the whole darker color scheme

and the laser and star attacks

and the horns

[broken sapphire]

if you're implying zero is the reason he looks like an eyeball, 1. i don't see why zero would've been near the dimension mirror, 2. i don't know if dark mind's appearance would be inspired by who fed the mirror the evil thoughts, and 3. i doubt even more zero would've interacted with the black mirror in the dream kingdom

[civic sun]

think could've interacted technically, but it's probably something more general anyway

probably would've been from multiple people for main world one, and TKCD one we know is from Taranza

[nimble pewter]

they're both in the sky
also imo d mind is the originald dark mind just in a new form and given new life by taranza or dark taranza

[broken sapphire]

in your opinion

[civic sun]

||actually I guess it was probably so it'd share the ending with アンタレス better||

[nimble pewter]

it'd be really pointless if it was just a second one that exists i guess

like cmon bro

[broken sapphire]

as far as we know that's literally every dream kingdom character except magolor though?

[nimble pewter]

idk dark mind feels like a third exception

[broken sapphire]

and again that's just your opinion

[nimble pewter]

rather than the norm

[nimble pewter]

yes
and i'm tired of being discredited because you have the popular opinions

not the facts
the popular opinions

[broken sapphire]

i have not given my opinions

[nimble pewter]

yes you have

[broken sapphire]

my opinion is that this convo is getting too toxic and that i'm gonna stop

[nimble pewter]

ok fine

probably best for both of us to quit now

[junior zealot]

honestly i dont even think that kirby is pure of heart, its just kirby is too young and innocent to have truly "evil" counterpart

tho novels do run with "pure of heart" thing and tbh i dont like it as much (this is how they justify why he never gets possessed)

[civic sun]

think they did do some different things with those? at least in the older ones (like with the whole 'thinking about favorite thing' thing with the Malice Stone instead of it being something like that)
forget how Shadow Kirby was handled already lol

[vocal sparrow]

||Beating ZEX With Base Sword, wish me luck||

[civic sun]

ah right similarly to the games, though they don't straight-up say Kirby's pure in relation to that I think, just that he doesn't really have an evil side

[broken sapphire]

i tried doing regular ultimate cup z with base sword with no + star once

safe to say it did not go well

i still haven't had time to replay scw
i mean i have had it but i keep doing other things instead

[fast crest]

||0 power upgrades? Hoo buddy, good luck||

[somber bay]

if you talk to the wise waddle dee enough you can get a new present code

||meteorlegend||

sure that was known but still cool

[fallow stirrup]

bruh why do we have to spoiler tag stuff in the spoiler chat?

Ain't that the point of having a separate spoiler and no spoiler chat?

[junior zealot]

because people may stumble upon spoilers while using search function

[fallow stirrup]

I mean, their fault honestly

[junior zealot]

well people here are being courteous regardless

[fallow stirrup]

if you enter the thread called SPOILERS not expecting to be spoiled then at that point that's on you really

[junior zealot]

that's not it

search would work across entire server lol

so even if they werent looking at this thread they may stumble upon spoilers unknowingly

[fallow stirrup]

anyways ||Failboat brought up a good idea, crystal shards can fight Dark Matter and starries can seal evil. They may be related||

[fallow stirrup]

true ig

discord does have its problems

[icy tapir]

you know everyone always posted the ||Lor's Mast but i never relaized the four point star behind the vortexes...||

[junior zealot]

||at this rate they could've just reused rtdx model of lor for this game and just palette and texture swap it so it looks older and decrepit with how un-subtle this all is 😭 ||

[broken sapphire]

a new mainstream-ish kirby lore video has hit the fandom

i will have to watch it

and JUDGE IT

[junior zealot]

is it cringe

what is it about anyway

[broken sapphire]

i havent watched it yet im not home rn

[junior zealot]

im mildly curious

[broken sapphire]

https://youtu.be/jWuhX6agd4Q?si=ssnvEyiS2k8FwN6_

at the very least the title is accurate

thats 1 point

[icy tapir]

So was it ever said that this Taranza was og Taranza or not

[broken sapphire]

but this guy also made a kirby = void video once like a year and a half ago so i will have to see the rest

[icy tapir]

beause like

[junior zealot]

well title iS accurate

[icy tapir]

why is he trying to ressurect Sectonia lmao

[junior zealot]

i doubt its og taranza

why would he go to a parallel to do allat

[icy tapir]

so youre saying multiple dimension s of Taranza has lost the Wife

ok . canon event

[junior zealot]

yeah

actually well

novels arent CANON but

in the novels its been stated its a different taranza

and kirby is like wtf why are u evil again

[icy tapir]

yeah but i need to hear it from Kumazaki

why is there potentially 2 taranza with both dead wife

[junior zealot]

same reason why dream kingdom has

a parallel for everyone else

[fallow stirrup]

why is everyone talking about taranza

[ruby geode]

other than what klu said, this is also because people may come here and not beaten everything. like, there are different kind of spoilers, and by tagging and marking what the spoiler is about, people can know what to click and what not to click

[junior zealot]

because taranza is awesome

[icy tapir]

ynot

[junior zealot]

[fallow stirrup]

nah its just being treated as new lore dropped and idk the lore which makes me upset

[junior zealot]

well

technically there is a small nugget for him

in the dlc

but very small

[fallow stirrup]

tell me

[lapis reef]

Someone coming in wanting tips for the story final boss but not wanting to know about ZEX stuff yet, for an easy example

[junior zealot]

||his boss theme from team kirby clash deluxe got used in ultimate cup z ex and it got a title for the first time||

[fallow stirrup]

now it makes sense

thanks

[broken sapphire]

this thread has basically just turned into "#kirby-kingdom but you can also discuss scw stuff which a lot of people will be doing because it's new"

[fallow stirrup]

There's only 2 series that make me wanna dig into the lore like a diglet using a z-move, and that's Kirby and Deltarune

[junior zealot]

right?

lmao

[icy tapir]

youve heard of the acronym UT/DR

its time for the acronym UT/KR

[fallow stirrup]

Kirby and DR have a very big factor to them

extensiveness

their lore has been researched and learned over years

and with the slow release of DR it gives us a very unique phenomena where we essentially slowly dig through everything bit by bit as it opens up

so when new lore drops it makes you want to dig deep n search for the right patterns

another factor is reliability

low amount or lack of inconsistencies

like learning lore in Mario is basically pointless for example

LoZ lore gets confusing and afaik has holes

Kirby on the other hand is as simple as it is complex

balancing an intersting intervining lore with a simple presentation that makes sense when you dig through it

[pastel ravine]

https://fixupx.com/kirbydiscovery/status/1962533696579494291?s=46 why does he say it like that lmao

Star-Crossed ✨ Kirby Discoveries (@kirbydiscovery)

You can actually trigger the alternate cutscenes without Elfilin at any time by holding Y while selecting them in the theater!
︀︀
︀︀This was discovered by @YukkuRoa7386

Quoting Star-Crossed ✨ Kirby Discoveries (@kirbydiscovery)
︀
If Elfilin is kidnapped while Star-Crossed World is started, there’s an alternate opening cutscene without him! This is really sad but the attention to detail is crazy!
︀︀#Kirby

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FixupX · Sep 1, 2025, 3:11 PM

[obtuse flame]

Hi, my Deedly Dees go up to song number ||150||, and it finishes at what seems to be the final one from what I’ve read (||NEICHEL’s incomplete song thingy||). Are there supposed to be more songs than that? (that would come before)

[junior zealot]

I don't think so

[timber plaza]

Wow, I wonder who this person that was tagged!

… wait

HUH

Wait I didn’t even noticed I got tagged in this tweet

I thought this was Morpho knight correction tweet

My Twitter account exposed 😭 😭 😭 😭

[junior zealot]

Doxxed?????????

[timber plaza]

YUKKURI TWITTER DOXXED 😭 😭 😭 😭

[junior zealot]

The truth is finally revealed...

[small cloak]

lol

is it not on your discord profile anyways 😭

[timber plaza]

My friend ran that account (found out like 2 days ago) and they’ve been posting stuff that I was providing and I didn’t even know that was their account and they didn’t even know I had Twitter

[timber plaza]

Yeah lol I forgot about it tbh

For a longest time I had my account connected to my old Disney account that used to be my Kirby account

And I made a new account due to someone getting salty and doxxing me

[fallow stirrup]

the flower king's truck cannot be killed

[pastel ravine]

My bad…

[obtuse flame]

Hi Manager Magolor—random thing but I saw a message where you said you were having your mom listen to the soundtrack
That’s actually so sweet; I too made my mom listen to the OST and play the base game, she loved it ^ω^
She’s super casual about games, barely plays any and all, but still (she now even has cute Kirby plushies to sleep with hehe)

[timber plaza]

Peak 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[obtuse flame]

yeee :D

[obtuse flame]

and well thx I was confused from reading people’s messages about missing songs but if ||150|| is the highest number then my OCD can be put to rest

[timber plaza]

I’m going to ask her if she could play ||unfinished song|| and Twinkling Star Shower on her piano later today

[obtuse flame]

ooo that’s so awesome!

I just hopped on the server for info about ||unfinished song|| because I was curious if that was the one people found hidden stuff in (such as ||morse code|| I was too lazy to decipher); there seems to be more before this one!

[fallow stirrup]

DELUXXED?

[timber plaza]

Magolor doxxed 👄

[wild stirrup]

211.86.223.3 2011 86th Street, Egg Engines Halcandra

[timber plaza]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[twin junco]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-egg-salad-kirby-kirbys-return-to-dream-land-kirbys-return-to-dream-land-deluxe-gif-27667823

[fallow stirrup]

forgot sth

is Elfilin referred to as a "he"?

[keen garnet]

Yes

[fallow stirrup]

and Elfilis is only referred to as they

so uh

did Elfilin take the gender identity in the divorce?

[junior zealot]

elfilis is just woke like that

(for all intents and purpose this is a jokey statement)

||i do think its funny how genwel is very obviously he/him while elfilis is still referred to with they/them pronouns. non-binary lord of chaos amirite||

[fallow stirrup]

Elfilin sued his other half - Elfilis and won the gender identity and orientation in the divorce, leaving Elfilis with goop

Imagine being so evil that that could happen

[keen garnet]

My bored deltarune idea (scw final boss): ||Kris and Elfilis are alike, referred to as they/them. They have a small thing inside of them that is able to be seperated and has a different personality than them (Soul [us]/Elfilin). They have an older brother who arrives later on in the story (Asriel/Meteoneflilis)||

[fast crest]

Some people want some spoilers and may not want others - for example, something past their current progress. The proper courtesy in that regard is to mark what you're spoiling so people know if they want to click on it or not.

The thread has to be created as a containment area so that spoilers do not permeate other channels and subsequently annoy people who have not had the chance to play the new expansion yet, but it's equally important to respect people who want to say something but may not have gotten as far as others have.

[fallow stirrup]

wouldn't it be easier to make a locked temporary channel that you can access when you're ready for the spoilers?

it'd get by the search issue too

as in, click on title, get access to spoiler channel that lets you see the latest spoilers

considering we can get cool ahh pictures next to our names with titles alone I doubt it'd be hard to make, no?

[fast crest]

Not everyone's privy to such functionality, mind, but in any case that'd be something to suggest to the staff more than anything else

I'm not one of them, though I'm offering my perspective based on previous mod experience in other servers

[fallow stirrup]

i mean it is a basic thing you can do without bots if I remember correctly

the bot part would only need to give you a title after clicking on an emoji

something we already have

ig ill suggest it

[fast crest]

One thing to keep in mind, though

We had three layers of chat for this game

One is now closed because the time period has passed, but

that third layer was for specific spoilers about the final boss and everything past it for the first week of release

[fallow stirrup]

make one that is the ultimate spoilers one. Don't wanna see spoilers? Remove the title via bot. Should be easy enough

[fast crest]

(and anything that leaked ahead of the release)

[fallow stirrup]

we wouldn't have to make giant messages covered in spoiler tags just to discuss lore

its relatively easy with pc but when you're on phone it is a pain

[fast crest]

Look, I'm not the one running the server, but I will say, I think enforcing this sort of spoiler courtesy is good IMO

[fallow stirrup]

And I don't disagree

[fast crest]

because far too often, people are not respectful of that in other servers

[fallow stirrup]

all im proposing is a true spoiler thread

I just want a thread when you can speak spoilers freely. One you can close access to whenever you want so you don't get spoiled for an upcoming game.

[fast crest]

I get what you're saying. Something like an opt-in spoiler role that grants access to a specific channel or thread

[fallow stirrup]

yes

exactly

[fast crest]

But the thing is, the spoiler policy does eventually wear off

[fallow stirrup]

it bypasses the search so you don't get spoiled there either

but then you can use it next time again and again

no need to really remove it

[elder vortex]

this is something we have done in the past and might do again in the future

[fast crest]

For most games over here that receive spoiler policy, that usually happens in the span of a month

[fallow stirrup]

I think it will be beneficial for easier discussion

its actually a bit of a pain trying to find an important message only for all of them to be covered in tags

[fast crest]

Kirby Air Riders could be the next candidate for an opt-in spoiler role, maybe

[elder vortex]

it's just we've been using forums and threads for so long and you can't lock threads behind roles sadly

[fast crest]

Ah, figures it would be a thread issue

[fallow stirrup]

well, like I suggested, make the ultimate spoiler thread Z

[fast crest]

LMAO

[fallow stirrup]

channel*

[fast crest]

That is a great channel name

[fallow stirrup]

Just lock it and unlock it whenever there's a new game coming

will make things way easier

[elder vortex]

we still haven't decided on this but we'll see what we do in the future

[fallow stirrup]

unlock, ping a day before to tell anyone who doesn't want spoilers to leave, open it, have fun

[fast crest]

Do forum channels get locked behind roles?

[fallow stirrup]

channels should be able to get locked

[elder vortex]

you can lock forum behind roles yea

[fast crest]

Because if they do, maybe just contain future spoiler threads there

[fallow stirrup]

exactly

[fast crest]

That's my suggestion, at least

[fallow stirrup]

it would solve the issue with the tags

[fast crest]

And hopefully keep them out of the search bar for anyone who's not opted into the role

[elder vortex]

if you have more suggestions for this btw then we have a feedback thread in #1009133424575000697

[fallow stirrup]

I would appreciate if all the important lore posts didn't look like a bloody SCP page

[fallow stirrup]

Bruh

thanks

[fast crest]

Whoops.

[fallow stirrup]

it was very funny

[elder vortex]

i linked the wrong channel lol

mfw i link mod channels oops

[fallow stirrup]

time to go hacker mode and change all the channels to D D D

[elder vortex]

already happened this year

[fast crest]

April Fool's I take it

[unkempt ginkgo]

can we talk about how ||the purple rifts in the skies never really meant anything||

[fallow stirrup]

btw can I make a suggestion in pms?

[elder vortex]

ye

[fast crest]

so anyways I started crystallising

[lapis reef]

Though, even if there's a specific "talk spoilers entirely freely" channel or forum or whatever, there's still the "it'll show up in search results whether your want it to or not " problem

[unkempt ginkgo]

you can always send a modmail too

actually. wait. maybe not. that might not get tagged.

[sage jewel]

do we think ||the starries are associated with galacta knight or is it pure cope||

[fast crest]

||The sky distortions from the Starries? I was thinking that was just a side effect of the crystals and their power affecting the localised space||

[somber bay]

being spoiled on the 100% reward is different from like, level 2 details

[elder vortex]

lol

[fast crest]

||Figures suggest that the Starries were the ones that sealed him away||

[junior zealot]

||i never expected them to mean anything tbh. i just thought they were a cool visual||

[elder vortex]

why does it show nothing for me

[sage jewel]

||i feel like people are confusing the starries sealing genwel with them sealing galacta knight||

||the ancients were the ones who sealed galacta knight away||

[somber bay]

you could have it locked behind a role and put the role in onboarding

[fallow stirrup]

i pmd you, i'd like to discuss something as I mentioned

[lapis reef]

At minimum ||the parallels feel intentional, even if it's not literal||

[fast crest]

||It's a specific figure description that alludes to it, I just forget which one.||

[sage jewel]

||It's the one you get for getting every starry||

||It talks about them sealing away a danger that could threaten the whole galaxy but that's just a way of eluding to meteonelfilis without mentioning him bc it could still be a spoiler at that point||

[lapis reef]

I do believe I've seen people say the word choice is even more obviously related in Japanese

[fast crest]

Hold on a moment, there should be a link

[sage jewel]

Can I get a source
Not trying to be smug or anything i wanna see what they're reading

[sage jewel]

||Though I'm still pretty sure Hyness outright says his people were the ones who sealed galacta knight||

||Unless I'm remembering that wrong||

[fast crest]

||Alluding to the strongest warrior with the wording, I believe||

[sage jewel]

Ah yeah, here we are

||Where did they come from, and where are they going? Starries are full of mysteries. Also called children of the stars, they're spirits born from gems who normally soar the universe's skies and innocently play. It's said that, once upon a time, they even succeeded in crystallizing and sealing away the strongest enemy, who threatened to destroy the galaxy.||

[small cloak]

||oh yeah huh it's "Lord" & not king or smth lol||

[fallow stirrup]

one weird thing a friend brought up is

||the children of the stars part in VT song||

[sage jewel]

This one really helps my theory that ||Meteonelfilis was the reason the ancients evacuated the forgotten land||

[fallow stirrup]

||He thought the quote in the VT description would suggest they are void worshippers which wouldn't make sense. I suggested that the song is mocking the starries, saying that they should pray on and their screams will be the preformance for the lord||

[sage jewel]

But also adds even more questions about ||sunken islands||

I still don't have a concrete answer on what that's all about

[stuck ether]

It's just sort of a thing that happened

[fast crest]

Probably just to explain why ||the world map looks the way that it does||

[sage jewel]

||Since these are the science ancients we're talking about I'm still heavily banking on them destroying their planet through excessive industrilization||

[stuck ether]

||I gotta check where it specifically mentions that the meteors are what's sinking the islands||

[sage jewel]

||Every corner of the forgotten land is industrialized, even the places that really shouldn't be||

[fast crest]

||You know real life world geography is not like this, it's a videogamey thing to make such a world - and yet, as Kirby always does, they must explain how it became that way somewhere||

[soft leaf]

wonder if there's any relation there to hwc

[sage jewel]

||Haltmann Works was founded long after the ancients' extinction||

[tidal spindle]

Its really ironic that ||the Elfilis meteor arrival ended up way way worse than the Genwel one. One destroyed continents and killed tons of animals, and one, Kirby was there for.||😂

[sudden onyx]

#1408842700488441949 message ||Not really the fault of the ancients that their planet's land got decimated.||

[sage jewel]

AH

||So maybe Elfilis was mistaken for that meteor? Or maybe they were also a meteor||

[tidal spindle]

If you really still want to blame them for something, it can be shiverstar or using the tree crown

[sudden onyx]

Yeah, it's all ||Elfilis' doing||

[sudden onyx]

(Final boss) ||Elfilin said he was sealed in one when he was Elfilis||

[sage jewel]

||Okay then that just straight up answers my question||

||Yeah I remember now, that's why elfilin could hear the starries in the first place||

[lapis reef]

Or at least ||questioned if/implied maybe he had been||

[tidal spindle]

Is the implication that|| Elfilis got sealed A TON of times, and the successful invasion was due to starries finally missing one?||

[sudden onyx]

||I think the implication is very clear with him able to hear Starries when Kirby couldn't and felt a familiar warmth.||

[lapis reef]

When it comes to "ancients" ||who's to say they went extinct? The term has always been used more generically to just mean "people a long time ago". Their descendants could easily be all over the galaxy.||

[sage jewel]

||Looks at adeleine and magolor||

[stuck ether]

Ah I think I found it here in this forwarded reply ||(The evil meteor's translated description)||.

Hrm, so I guess someone here misunderstood something about ||when the meteors sunk islands. If the meteors have been striking during the people's time, we'd have noticed destruction and a greater sense of urgency... But no, the sunken islands were ancient...||

[tidal spindle]

Which I think is the case considering ||Adeline||

[sudden onyx]

Magolor is definitely not an ancient.
He just knows a lot about them because of his hyperfixation. /hj

[broken sapphire]

okay nevermind apparently this is mostly just a regular playthrough LOL

[lapis reef]

What about them?

Honestly though, my opinion on "the ancients" is more that just literally everyone is descended from them (because everyone who is alive can trace their lineage back to ancient times) rather than it being some special thing

[tidal spindle]

No one is thinking ||Mago is ancient with his lifetime. But the idea the cat ears are inherited from one of the ancient races could still be right? Because they lack stripes, does not mean they have no similarity.||

[sage jewel]

Magolor specifically resembles one of the shiver star lab experiments

[broken sapphire]

alternatively (image from #kirby-kingdom pins)

[lapis reef]

Jumpscared by my own shitpost lol

[tidal spindle]

You mean the black kitty cat? I never thought of that. It would be a really wild twist!

[sudden onyx]

There are some theories that why ||Eflilis even has a compassionate side is that they fully absorbed the Starries of their own meteor, and it later formed Elfilin.
We see a more unstable Starry fusion allows them to escape with Meteon and Lord of Chaos fight. Elfilin also implies he wants to change Meteon in post-game dialogue and make him a Dream Friend (aka those from Star Allies) in Japanese.||

[broken sapphire]

family ❤️

[sage jewel]

||I find it really interesting to think that Elfilin didn’t always exist as a part of Elfilis because Meteonelfilis very much does not have any trace of an Elfilin inside of him||

||Before they separated Elfilin was the part of Elfilis that kept themselves controlled and in check||

[lapis reef]

Though imagining what that would be like is good fan art/fic material

[sage jewel]

||Elfilin having a galaxy for eyes could also be tied to him being part starry||

[tidal spindle]

I kinda thought Elfilin escaped because he was part of Elfilis that was so cognitively dissonate from the rest that even Elfilis wants to get away from Elfilis. Also a mental difference is a psychic creature is bound to turn physical.

[sudden onyx]

Yeah, ||Elfilin is also born from the warp experiment incident. Elfilis having compassion is already a fluke, and it being separated out because they got captured is even more improbable. Elfilin is a very unique case and there might be no one like him ever.||

[tidal spindle]

I feel like either would need some ||crystals on them in order to believe they ate starries. I started believing they got their mammal look from eating animals when he first arrived though, we can kinda figure what a "blank" Elfilis looks like with the similarities between Gen and Elf||

[fallow stirrup]

||Kinda sad though, I really hoped to see a meteonelfilin come out of the final boss ||

[sage jewel]

||Could Fecto Forgo have taken control of Leon’s soul from the moment they took over him, thus regaining their more orderly and cognitive side? Meaning that would be why they didn’t come up with an elaborate escape plan earlier||

||Leon wasn’t even a figure of authority before, the beast pack was only formed once Fecto Forgo took over||

||That would be why leon’s soul was shattered upon their defeat||

[tidal spindle]

He still had a ||soul before then though. Just not as coo coo||

Since he ||had a different name and personality too||

[sage jewel]

||The moment Leon is released from their control they immediately ditch their plan and opt to take everyone by force||

||Chaos Elfilis’ figure does also imply that Fecto Forgo directly took over and absorbed the native beasts souls||

[sudden onyx]

There are not much mention on how the possession really works. It is left vague enough that unless this ability has to be explained in great detail for plot reason in future games, you can headcanon whatever make sense there. That's Kirby story telling.

[fast crest]

actually wait
||Isn't that basically just the skybox for the first phase of the Genwel Meteonelfilis fight?||

[keen acorn]

||for context, i just beat meteonelfilis for the like, 3rd time and already 100%ed scw, but it says there are new songs||

[tidal spindle]

But I really want to know whats the deal with ||five pointed flowers. Is it just to look like stars and the star portals? Dreamstalk, alter flowers, star portals, Genwel second phase lasers.||

[sudden onyx]

||150 should be the correct count of all the songs||

[keen acorn]

||yea that’s why it’s weird that it’s saying there are new ones||

[junior zealot]

||i kinda find it interesting how forgo took both leongar and dedede and treated them entirely differently. dedede got turned into a feral animal and lost all his kindness and leadership qualities. meanwhile leongar was put in the position of a leader and forced to become civilized||

[sudden onyx]

Probably an oversight of a scripted event

[junior zealot]

...i swear i dont try to make everything about dedede i just thought this was an interesting parallel

[keen acorn]

[sudden onyx]

Right now, they are just ||cool coincidences for the shape design of this universe, like there are numerous heart and star shaped things. The Dark Nebula ice attack is very similar but it can just be making the laser attack more threatening by making it create crystals, it didn't even make ice on the floor.||

[rough timber]

maybe ||Elfilis learned compassion from... Some of the fl people (I know plenty of them were unfeeling scientists)||

[keen acorn]

||speaking of lasers, how do you even dodge meteonelfilis’s lazer? Morpho Sword dodge doesn’t even work||

[sage jewel]

||Just walk past it||

[tidal spindle]

Yah, for now the only mysterious ties of ||Genwel are with Galacta and Void. Even though there is like a half second of Sectonia in there I swear 😭||

[sage jewel]

||And jump over it||

[lapis reef]

(story boss, we really need to get better at letting people know what the spoiler is for) ||I mostly just ran away 😭 Though arguably getting hit by it makes it end sooner lmao||

[keen acorn]

[tidal spindle]

Also the name ||Prince of mirrors and Regret|| goes hard || ||

[rough timber]

||mirror|| mention

[stiff pollen]

||Fly as it gets close||

[rough timber]

does (final boss) ||genwel mean anything||

[remote narwhal]

i just learned there's a bit where talking to elfilin reveals that ||fecto elfilis was drawn to the new world by neichel's singing||

is this true

[cloud olive]

||get mirror and just reflect it back, easy||

[cloud olive]

yep

[tidal spindle]

I swear its time for ||mirror world to be super relevant and important.....right? ||

[rough timber]

that'd be insane and im conflicted about it

[lapis reef]

They'd have to make it make sense first

[rough timber]

also true

[stiff pollen]

||I need my true Dark Mind comeback||

[tidal spindle]

Something, something, another dimension tie in, there, done!

[livid gust]

||I think the "gen" in Genwel is supposed to come from "General" while "wel" is from "jewel"||

[rough timber]

cuz i mean the only special thing about ||"Mirror World" is the Dimension Mirror itself, its otherwise just a normal-ass planet, and the Dimension Mirror itself really doesn't feel that important||

[tidal spindle]

Other than having the absolute best dark/parallel/another charies.

[junior zealot]

||i mean we really dont know that do we||

[rough timber]

crack theory final boss ||Genwel is from the future and is a mirror version of Elfilis lel ||

[rough timber]

you mean there could be other things? 🤷

[sage jewel]

I thought it was ||Genesis||

[tidal spindle]

Thats why its time for it to come back and be super important! 💪🪞

[stiff pollen]

Speaking of Mirror World, what's the deal with King D-Mind again

What's up with the Dark Mirror

[junior zealot]

probably considering original game offers little to no world building whatsoever lol

[rough timber]

he's not Actually a Shadow Dedede

[junior zealot]

its basically as malleable as they wanna be

[livid gust]

||tbh I'm not sure about that myself but I kinda remember someone saying that it was general||

[rough timber]

He's created by Dark Taranza's vision of a strong warrior, and then Dark Mind manifested from Dark Taranza's evil thoughts

[stiff pollen]

It's ||General but when you're speaking in UwU||

[rough timber]

as strong as my brainrot for mirror clones is I worry they'd make it even more confusing than it already is haha

[cloud olive]

||meteonewfiwis||

[sage jewel]

||Fecto is based on the word "perfect"||

[tidal spindle]

||Genesis sounds more lory, also could add to Genwel's prophecy being what kicked things off||

[rough timber]

even now i found myself doubting that the Mirror World definitely isn't a parallel edgy world, is actually the world you play through in Amazing Mirror, and all the mirror clones are born when characters look into the "Dimension" Mirror

[junior zealot]

i trust kumazaki

[tidal spindle]

When I first heard it, thought it meant fecto, like.....

Infected.

[junior zealot]

most of the confusing things are moreso confusing on purpose rather than because they are badly thought out

[stiff pollen]

Just gimme the return of the Mirror World and fulfill my childhood dreams of Dark Mind Soul and I can finally die in peace

[sage jewel]

||I did too but It's japanese name is more in line with it being perfect||

[livid gust]

||maybe the general part of "Genwel" could imply that Meteonelfilis has more authority as an elder brother?||

[stiff pollen]

||Or Chaos Dark Mind since I'm pretty sure Soul Bosses are kinda retired now||

[livid gust]

||I do wonder what kind of trope will Morpho put a end to in the next game||

[tidal spindle]

More generic 😂

[rough timber]

it would be cool to get (uhh final boss ig?) ||confirmation that the ancients created the Dimension Mirror||

[neat shuttle]

before final boss, art || https://x.com/kabo_chips/status/1962274206025953746 ||

𝙨𝙞𝙢𝙤𝙣🦐 (@kabo_chips)

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X · Aug 31, 2025, 10:00 PM

||you think children would make nightmares of this||

[sage jewel]

i love kirby artists so much man you have no idea

these japanese artists who lock in and make these insane lineless pieces every 2 seconds

[neat shuttle]

||honestly we're 2 rooms away from getting the Backrooms in Kirby||

[rough timber]

i saw those ||lanterns|| and I paused like ||is there writing in them? What kind of lanterns are they?|| instantly knew ||that area is important somehow||

[sage jewel]

suyasubi my beloved

[junior zealot]

god this is insane

[junior zealot]

||what is creepier. this or eternal echoes hall||

[livid gust]

Honestly one of the most goated kirby artist

[cloud olive]

||going through the space underneath the volcano is genuinely so cool||

[neat shuttle]

both.

at the same time.

[elfin lance]

this is way wrse imo

[junior zealot]

either way glad to know that kirby will continue giving kids nightmares

[elfin lance]

||it using all the different languages is insane||

[rough timber]

wait woahh fr?

[elfin lance]

teyre all mixed in there

[neat shuttle]

||I only heard english and japanese||

[sage jewel]

||Prescient Stirring is way creepier than Eternal Echoes||
||And then they combine them||

[neat shuttle]

maybe I didn't pay too much attention

[rough timber]

is it only two?

[junior zealot]

||tbh using corrupted versions of wondaria songs gets to me more. something so whimsical and jolly presented in unsettling context||

[elfin lance]

not literally all but a lot

[tidal spindle]

||Authenticating, authenticado||

[elfin lance]

its so cool

[sage jewel]

||Wondaria is directly tied to the ancient's exodus from the planet now||

[rough timber]

like, ||FL symbols, Lor symbols, uhhh actually we don't have any Jamba symbols but having them there would break things a bit||

[rough timber]

because you'd think ||magic ancients would happen Later, after they get to "New World"||

[tidal spindle]

They both are freaky
||But honestly this one is a bit worse because at least with the chaos elfilis halways you at least you kinda understand why voice was there, here you don’t really know why. The elevator and wondaria music doesn’t really associate with meteor elfilis||

[junior zealot]

||i always theorized that it was basically part of the propaganda to inspire people of the new world to leave for other planets||

[neat shuttle]

Question to Kumazaki: When will the word Canvas in the New World language be relevant

[rough timber]

adocia,,,

[neat shuttle]

you know the one

[tidal spindle]

Still not convinced. Only proof is that the races are different. I can come up with BS to explain that.

[rough timber]

the void one

cant wait to see if there are any new references to characters like that ||in the new song||

wait is that spoilers-

[neat shuttle]

yeah

[tidal spindle]

For real I ||can barely hear the difference in syllables in the songs. Actually hearing words will be up to y'all 😭||

[junior zealot]

arguably its already is

||more proof that adeleine might be one of the new world people citizens descendants||

[rough timber]

[livid gust]

||ngl I wonder if Adeleine even has parents to begin with||

[karmic pebble]

maybe

until proven I'm a denier

[junior zealot]

||i mean she probably doesnt anymore...||

[rough timber]

btw there are ||necklace busts|| in alivel mall which I think is a normal alivel mall thing i never noticed before

[tidal spindle]

||Test tube baby?||

[livid gust]

||Would be cool if there is like a whole secret civilisation of humans somewhere in AD||

[rough timber]

throwback to someone making a joke about (this is all final area stuff i think) ||Adeleine arriving in one of those space pod looking things||

[tidal spindle]

Oh does anyone have that meme about ||Lor greeting Adeline home? ||I liked it :) it was funny

[rough timber]

forget about Adeleine-like FL people for a moment tho, I still wonder about Drawcia/Claycia and all that. Drawcia and Paintra's painter,,,,

I think in all these cases the things the language references are named after the word in the language

[rough timber]

what if ||all of them become painters/artists, like that's just an ability most of them have||

that'd be so based,,, thinking abt how that makes things so (still final area stuff ig) ||much more vibrant instantly, and that's why most of the ancient creatures all have some kind of Aesthetic to them||

[keen garnet]

(UCZEX) ||As much as I love the Two Planets Approach Limit's Starry ver, i lowkey wish it was remixed a bit more. Like, imagine if it had bits of Lagrange Point, or maybe some of the leitmotifs we saw in that one...
imagine if it was called "Stellar Collision of the Binary Star" as the two siblings' power merges in Chaos||

[broken sapphire]

i think someone should draw elfilin like this because of ||all the souls he basically has inside him at this point||

[true aurora]

||It’s so interesting cause like||
||There’s no alien lying in some sort of capsule or creatures sneaking around these ruins||
||There’s nothing||
||Just the final remnants of a civilization before leaving entirely||

[junior zealot]

||i think this is what makes it so creepy. it feels more real and out of place||

[cloud olive]

end of ucz ex ||lord of chaos making the amalgamation of souls even more fucked up 😭 ||

||bro what do you mean there's a galactal inside you now||

[livid gust]

||yeah I actually noticed that too lmao||

[broken sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-wonder-talking-flower-taste-sexy-gif-1416697084341845896

[lapis reef]

I'm still mildly intrigued by the animation they gave to saving Starries after finishing the story ||they just fly into Elfilin for some reason, instead of zipping off into space or whatever||

[broken sapphire]

||i don't think they do||

[livid gust]

||Galactals kinda give me the feeling that they'll taste like sweet jelly or something||

[lapis reef]

I need to double check maybe, but I was pretty sure

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[broken sapphire]

||they fly off, and in the next shot they're no longer on screen, but the exact same shiny piece that flies into elfilin at the end of the ultimate cup z appears in z ex||

||like it's directly reused||

[junior zealot]

ngl maybe its just me but i feel like after FL series started pushing outwardly creepy imagery and music more often again

makes me happy

[gusty crane]

Did anyone hear ||Neichel’s unfinished song?||

[junior zealot]

like there were scary implications like in robobot but it was mainly implications

[broken sapphire]

||https://youtu.be/xiaZnb0vBnE?si=JG1vj-eVpVAqhdNP&t=1896||

[junior zealot]

here its just outwardly trying to be unsettling

[livid gust]

||yes||

[junior zealot]

me when inward struggle from rtdx and ||prescient song from scw||

[broken sapphire]

i still think fecto forgo is by far the scariest boss in the series, unless you're really afraid of blood

[ruby geode]

||nah no one here did ||

[junior zealot]

100%

[gusty crane]

||Is there a complete version?||

[junior zealot]

also idk

[livid gust]

||unfortunately no||

[ruby geode]

||no, the whole point is that it's incomplete||

[junior zealot]

but i feel like magolor soul ex is also more creepy and unsettling than, say, haltmann supposedly getting erased

[broken sapphire]

but what if it was both

[gusty crane]

||Haha lol||

[ruby geode]

hey guys did anyone here play SCW

[hallow gust]

||Youtubers not putting spoilers in the thumbnail challenge: impossible ||

[junior zealot]

mainly because it feels like creepypasta version of the fight. yknow what i mean? like if you were a kid and playing this game without any context it just comes across as creepy corrupted version of the fight lol

[junior zealot]

i didnt play scornful cone of wool

[broken sapphire]

save them

[cloud olive]

sollow cnight wilkwong? that's in 3 days

[gusty crane]

||Oh ok. Cause it’s very strange that the song count ended at 149.||

[junior zealot]

but yeah to wrap my point back around to scw

||the area under the volcano island is creepy as hell too||

[ruby geode]

||it ends at 150||

[patent sluice]

okay best starry grinding spot

what is it

[junior zealot]

want: more of that please

[tidal spindle]

Also ||Neichel still had to be human at that point, because of the steps at the start||

[cloud olive]

probably ||hal room, then quit out and redo that||

[twin junco]

ref DO SOMETHING

[patent sluice]

5-1?

[ruby geode]

||are you saying humans are the only species capable of walking 😭||

[gusty crane]

||wait what?? So what’s the 150th one? I only have 149, and I completed the entire pack||

[broken sapphire]

[junior zealot]

||non human species are simply... waddling||

[tidal spindle]

In Kirby, yes. 😭

[ruby geode]

||150 is neichel's unfinished song that's odd||

[broken sapphire]

you might be missing one of these

[cloud olive]

||it's probably hal room||

[gusty crane]

||THERE’S A HAL ROOM?!?!?||

[broken sapphire]

lol

[small cloak]

Bro Who Doesn't Know

[cloud olive]

||wastes that count time yea, it's in the first room||

[gusty crane]

||Plz tell me there’s a video about it||

[true aurora]

||Also SpongeBob rollercoaster moment but it’s still really tragic to me that there were folks who stayed behind and are just now unambiguously dead||
||Like, can you imagine living in the collapsing remains of your world while most of the population has just||
||Left||

[junior zealot]

i just realized what ||prescient song|| reminds me of ||with its corruption of previously energetic innocent music and such||. idk if anyone here played half-life 2 but ||theres a creepy track there that plays when you inspect abandoned swings on the playground.|| this literally gives similar vibe to me lol

hf2 track is admittedly creepier but still

[broken sapphire]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nzm5xSTXg0||

[junior zealot]

||nah this is genuinely sad i feel. i think overall story of neichel is rather tragic. she saved most of her people but at the cost of herself||

[gusty crane]

Thx

[broken sapphire]

||when i was searching for it i broke the right crystal by sheer coincidence lol||

[tidal spindle]

Whats odd is ||unfinished song is before shes ship, but after others left....so were only late departing ships her?||

[broken sapphire]

what

[timber plaza]

Evil morning I fell asleep playing RTDLDX and my NECK hurts
Now back to RTDLDX and more SCW

[ruby geode]

100% ||I still don't think neichel is the lor starcutter, I'm still on the theory she boarded one later and that became the starcutter or something||

[timber plaza]

[true aurora]

||I can imagine the reason she stayed behind was because it wouldn’t be fair to leave with the others||
||Like the concept of a world just slowly shrinking is so tragic||

[tidal spindle]

Whats your take on ||white wings and breath on my window and artificial heart pounding?||

[rough timber]

if we pretend ||the time dilation is backwards or rely on time travel we can pretend they survived Somehow because of that||

[ruby geode]

100% ||the connection of the lor with the new world is pretty clear and the current question is "how exactly" because we don't even know if the lor is one of a kind or if the new world people did leave on one or multiple lor starcutters||

[ruby geode]

||I mean these are all related to lor starcutter anyway, don't see what you are asking||

[keen garnet]

||Meteonelfilis -> Galactal -> Chaos Elfilis -> Morpho Knight -> Galacta Knight ||

||final boss is Galacta Knight, trust||

[timber plaza]

||man I wish I was Lor Starcutter!||

[broken sapphire]

||i don't think they would've added the information that neichel stayed behind in the new world if she just took another ship later on||

[tidal spindle]

So it would be her ||meeting with something that had an artificial heart, not HER artificial heart?||

[rough timber]

okay that last line... ||what else could that mean???||

[ruby geode]

||she is just riding the lor||

[keen garnet]

||just sing a funny song that turns out to be a prophetic message and then get locked in a spaceship's engine room for centuries ||

[timber plaza]

||just matter of time until we find out Neichel herself is a holographic AI singer||

[tidal spindle]

So yes, ||meeting, not having....||

[rough timber]

||human ancients deconfirmed like that /joke||

[tidal spindle]

I still kinda side with ||she is it, because I have trouble fitting the lyrics as nicely otherwise. Takes more streches||

[ruby geode]

100% ||it says "I don't have white wings yet" so she could just be saying "lol I'm not like the lor" or something||

[lapis reef]

Actually that would be really cool 👀

[ruby geode]

||I just think there's literally nothing in the lyrics saying "ah yes me the singer is a flying ship that soars the cosmos" and I think in particular the lor noises are related to INSIDE the lor so for me it makes way more sense she recorded this inside the lor||

||in particular as we hear her steps and everything||

||a ship doesn't walk...||

||and I don't see how "neichel recorded a song inside the lor" becomes "NEICHEL IS THE LOR" that feels like a massive jump lol||

[tidal spindle]

Thats why I think it was|| before, why she has not wings "yet" I think if she stayed, but then left anyway, her initially deciding to stay being on the billboard is kinda, misleading.||

[rough timber]

cant find the leaks thread im guessing the ||lyrics|| havent been posted here yet

[broken sapphire]

||i haven't seen the idea that neichel recorded the song within the spaceship/lor before it took off, but i like that idea a lot more||

[ruby geode]

they are on wikirby

|| https://wikirby.com/wiki/Last_Song_(Incomplete)_-_NEICHEL's_Unfinished_Track ||

[timber plaza]

||didnt neichelor theory came before people found out about the final song?||

[lapis reef]

The thing to me about that is ||if she stayed behind, how does that reconcile with her becoming a ship somehow? The ship that was clearly no where near the planet stayed on||

[stiff pollen]

||What if Galactals without their armor is what Galacta Knight looks like without the mask. Two big round eyes||

[vocal sparrow]

||Maybe Neichel is Magolor ||

[broken sapphire]

everyone is magolor

[timber plaza]

||I would rather die than find out Magolor is not Magolor||

[broken sapphire]

anyway i'm gonna start my playthrough of the whole game including star-crossed world now

[ruby geode]

||I personally still don't get why people jumped to "neichel is the lor" yeah, the recording even has her footsteps||

[rough timber]

dont they ||only have one?||

[ruby geode]

||that is why I'm sorta confused too, she stayed behind, but my personal theory is that later she (and possibly others that stayed if any) regreted and built their own ship to escape, and maybe that is the lor?||

[stiff pollen]

||What if it's the Lor's hidden floating shoes that hasn't been shown yet. Like how a lotta modern Kirby characters have floating limbs||

[tidal spindle]

I feel like the whole ||song has so much about being artificial, wishing to be with people you can't and flying. I don't think its a stretch at all. But I'll try to not stop making other possible connections too.||

[stiff pollen]

||Yes, now imagine that on maskless Galacta, but TWO eyes||

[ruby geode]

/lh /hj

[lapis reef]

I like that, yeah

I had a joke tragic theory that ||the ships were supposed to return for the people left behind, but never did, so that's what the song is about lol||

[ruby geode]

||a lot is vague tbh and maybe this could just be a reference to novas or something (translation of japanese lyrics)||

[broken sapphire]

super difficult: listen to kirby's new waving voice clips for 2 minutes straight without smiling

[tidal spindle]

Honestly I also can't see|| how anyone would unwillingly go extinct when they can TIME TRAVEL||

[broken sapphire]

actually wait oh my god

[true aurora]

If you smile you go to Bubbly Clouds

[stiff pollen]

||I'm still into the Neichel is the Lor because I love the idea and find it cute that the final song is the Lor itself singing in beeps||

[ruby geode]

kirby series when ||the heart is a machine||

[junior zealot]

still one of the coldest shots in all of kirby

[true aurora]

Heartless Machine….

[junior zealot]

kirby is so cool

[tidal spindle]

Yah, I just think things fit really nicely ||Neichlor wise. It had that "click" y'know? I have to say "well thats just a vague reference" otherwise.||

[broken sapphire]

||these japanese lyrics make it seem so obvious to me now
these lyrics seem to be directly implying the reason she DOESN'T want to leave on the lor
she says she that going to a different dimension, and relying on ai ISN'T her wish
that's why there's so much in the song about the lor, because it's about how she doesn't want to go||

[ruby geode]

YEAH

[true aurora]

||Genwel Meteonelfilis and Neo Chaos Elfilis making me remember how sick Kirby final boss fights are once again||

[broken sapphire]

it's like, such a different vibe in english

[ruby geode]

EXACTLY

||english added some flavor that is not in japanese||

[junior zealot]

||"i sure wish i wasnt an ai on a ship far away from my home planet right now!"||

[ruby geode]

|| https://wikirby.com/wiki/Last_Song_(Incomplete)_-_NEICHEL's_Unfinished_Track japanese lyrics with translations are here||

[stiff pollen]

||Alternate version, she had vision that she becomes the Lor and the song is her not wanting that despite it happening||

[broken sapphire]

||"tell a fella teleporting aint enough" instead of teleporting not being what SHE wants
it's less obvious, but still implied, that the artificialness of the spaceship makes her nervous, makes her "pulse pound"
and "could this be exactly what i wished for?" is like the complete opposite vibe of "is this really my wish?", the former makes it seem like it IS while the latter makes it seem like it ISN'T||

[ruby geode]

||but yeah honestly I just wanted to voice my own interpretation, since a lot of people just concluded "OH SO NEICHEL IS LOR" but this feels a "OH SO KIRBY IS VOID" 2.0 in a way like not that I don't agree, it's more like, I saw it another way lol||

[cloud olive]

||tbf with that line, the "how" at the beginning could also make it sound like she regrets it||

[broken sapphire]

||i still think the english lyrics are really good (aside from the final part with "what a sweet" that just doesn't fit), but i think it's pretty clear they didn't really directly translate the message of the song||

[broken sapphire]

yeah same

i even compared it before lol

[timber plaza]

||With the way description worded “On the day of departure, people remained on the planet as their destiny and the diva was one of them” which can be taken in like several ways lol mainly: 1; these people wasn’t able to ride the ship because there wasn’t enough for everyone. 2; People stayed behind because they couldn’t trust the ai to navigate them to the new world. Being implied they might possibly put to sleep during the ride, there’s always a chance those ships might end up somewhere NOT the destination, or they don’t want the ai to choose the new paradise for them||

[cloud olive]

||it's just more ambiguous tho ||

[broken sapphire]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED ||THIS CONFIRMS NEICHEL IS THE BEST KIRBY CHARACTER BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LIKE AI!||

[glass pulsar]

||"Riding a sparkling star to the neighboring town." Clearly this is referring to the Warp Star. Conclusion: Neichel is Kirby. /j||

[junior zealot]

||neichel was too ahead of her time||

[stiff pollen]

||Did everyone forget about the totally real and not fake missing lyrics that I found in the leaks channel||

[broken sapphire]

||i think she was ahead of everyone in terms of time
i mean she literally knew the future||

[ruby geode]

||you joke but "is neichel kirby or galacta knight" was my first though after the song 😭 GK due to the white wings part LOL||

[lapis reef]

With this time, at least, ||I feel like this one at least leads to some funny stuff like the Mago x Lor sticker being 86000x funnier. Even if I don't personally buy the theory||

[broken sapphire]

same lol

[junior zealot]

yeah 😭

[ruby geode]

bsaed

[stiff pollen]

||Also people beating up the Lor boss would make em feel sad and guilty now lmao||

[true aurora]

||Actually even funnier especially with Bandee being able to understand it in the novels ||

[junior zealot]

||i do think its notable that even people in japanese fandom came to this theory while void is kirby thing seems to be mainly western fanbase exclusive phenomenon||

not caring much for this interpretation is fine tho

[broken sapphire]

YOU'RE TELLING ME A STAR CROSSED THIS WORLD?

[junior zealot]

||i feel like the song still means something even if we are all wrong about the exact intention atm. maybe its a thing we will learn what it is exactly later||

[true aurora]

||Like of all people, Neichel choose Bandee to speak to first because he is just that pure of heart||

[lapis reef]

||I am, if nothing else, a sucker for "but it's funny". So I can't hate the theory 😆||

[ruby geode]

100% ||I actually think maybe it's like, sure, neichel left on the lor, and maybe she became the lor AI or something???? who knows man but again for me the song was recorded inside the lor when neichel was still herself even if she became the lor, that's one thing I will personally not be convinced otherwise||

[tidal spindle]

Another one? Hh.

[ruby geode]

||but I do feel in general mostly what kuma wanted to confirm was like "yeah the spaceship new world is directly connected to the lor starcutter lol!"||

[broken sapphire]

||i don't think someone who doesn't want to rely ai would "become" ai
also like how would that work||

[keen garnet]

(UCZEX) ||this is what the ending feels like lol||

[junior zealot]

||i still think she didnt LITERALLY became the lor but rather ai was modelled after her just so people of the new world will be more convinced to leave. then again mind transfer is not exactly foreign concept... haltmann moment||

[broken sapphire]

LMAO

[ruby geode]

||well maybe a bad guy idk 😭||

[true aurora]

||It’s a very interesting theory||
||Like when you look at it from a more realistic perspective it sort of falls flat but it’s not as overly ridiculous and confusing as Void and Kirby…sort of lol||

[ruby geode]

https://tenor.com/view/word-oh-thats-why-realization-wow-gif-10000098

[lapis reef]

That one ||I can see easier. The "she literally became the Lor" ones are the ones that confuse me lol||

[broken sapphire]

i think the only definitive conclusion we can come to is that ||neichel is the main character of this game||

[ruby geode]

||but yeah it's pretty clear neichel and the lor are connected the question still is exactly how and that's the fun of speculating||

[broken sapphire]

||(playing through point of arrival) me when a radio wave from a ship that left this planet to outer space ages ago hits the radio next to me and starts playing a banger song||

[true aurora]

||wait I didn’t think people actually thought she actually TRANSFORMED into the ship, I thought we were on the mind/soul transfer boat ||

||Heh "boat"||

[tidal spindle]

I.....think its pretty strange to say|| "she didn't go" and then "oh she went but she did't like the exact method of going" Im not sure how that has emotion.||

[broken sapphire]

||yeah i doubt they would say she chose to stay behind if she just. didn't stay behind||

[ruby geode]

||how so? it is possible she stayed behind, but was forced to leave after for another reason. who knows, honestly this also feels pretty tragic||

[stiff pollen]

||It's all fun and games until Neichel shows up again in the next concert. But instead of big hat, she wears a big Lor Starcutter hat upside down. And then reveals the missing part of the lyrics being "I became the Lor Starcutter"||

[tidal spindle]

I think, it contradicts.

[broken sapphire]

||i think it technically doesn't contradict but still would just feel like poor writing||

[timber plaza]

||its like an irony that she’s the ones that made all the song, mostly because she was requested to, but more she wrote or figure out the answer, the less she wanted to leave the planet riding the ship. Neichel Lor hater arc?? /j But if we think of it, Neichel’s song is played inside the ship, people being convinced by her song, I could see it being Lor being based around her AI so that each people boarding the ship will feel safe BECAUSE the ship is Neichel ai, the diva that helped them board the ship. Neichel possibly didn’t like the fact the ship was used AI based on her existence to make people like if they’re under a spell/influence or something.||

||That being said, I’m very curious about the other people that stayed behind. I wonder if those people were some important ones that was mentioned or implied in past? The way it’s been talked about, there is a possible chance Neichel is alive, or was able to survive in some way shape or form. Neichel being able to decipher the meteor’s prediction through a dream…||

[lapis reef]

Well, ||I'm more amenable to "the ai is based on her" rather than "her brain got actually put into it", if that makes sense. I just can't reconcile the "stayed behind" part with "lol but then they put her brain into a boat that definitely left"||

[remote remnant]

(100%) ||That's what I had thought too, since the whole point of the theory was about the Lor having a heart. Imo I think she likely died on the new world, or perhaps on the Lor, but either way she lost her physical form||

[tidal spindle]

I feel ||less about a delayed and inconvenient wish than one which was never granted. But different strokes y'know? I guess not liking the trip could...be emotional?||

[ruby geode]

semi-crack theory related to 100%

||neichel stayed, then magolor appeared. she befriended magolor but magolor left. she missed magolor, so she got a ship (lor) and then used it to try to find magolor ||

[timber plaza]

Why is the first thing I wake up and do is hop on RTDLDX true arena to meet Magolor Soul while talking about ||SCW Neichel and Lor relationship||

[ruby geode]

[timber plaza]

||the cake Kirby was holding in opening of RTDL was actually Neichel’s cake||

[remote remnant]

(100%) ||I think it's possible that the other people who stayed behind may have done this to her, although yea, I think that the ai is simply based on her makes more sense 😭||

[keen garnet]

||Pov Neichel: ||

[remote remnant]

Bro Kirby fumbled cuz that cake fell right before she pulled up 😭

[true aurora]

Shgsgshshshhsjdhsjsjjdjd

[fast crest]

100% ||The way I see things... NEICHEL's feelings about wanting to leave after coming to regret staying behind are things she kept to herself, something the figures do not pick up on because you can only see her thoughts after you achieve the 100% milestone. She may have written the song for herself, then archived it somewhere before she left (or attempted to do so)||

[timber plaza]

||I still want to believe in the cake > fruit > red fruit as RTDL opening cake > ME fruit fragment > Clash gem apple but told in a way of a love story or smth just to make it more confusing on purpose||

[ruby geode]

I could see it

[tidal spindle]

Who writes the figure descriptions?! 🤯

[remote remnant]

Yes, this is exactly how it happened

[ruby geode]

kumazaki

[gusty crane]

||Didn’t Magolor mention that he stole the ship from Landia? I don’t see how Neichel would go to Halcandra.||

[ruby geode]

do you know what "crack theory" means lol

[timber plaza]

You crack a theory ||(Magolor is a egg so you crack em)||

[ruby geode]

but 100% ||I do think the lyrics sort of imply neichel is traveling to meet someone||

[cloud olive]

||if humanity ever gets interdimensional travel technology who's gonna volunteer to scatter figures all over the place with accompanying lore descriptions for any future aliens to puzzle over||

[keen garnet]

Me! Me!

[lapis reef]

I want involved in this

[timber plaza]

I would

[ruby geode]

||time capsules but epic||

[timber plaza]

||me making Magolor figure and scatter them across HAL Laboratory grounds for people 86 millions later to find it||

[remote remnant]

100% ||I agree, I think the point is that Neichel regrets staying behind and wanted to meet with someone, whichever interpretation you go with as to how she is connected to the Lor, I do think she wanted to leave at least||

[keen garnet]

||Star Allies Box: legend says this rectangular relic once intrigued many across continents with the contents stored within the small collection piece kept within.||

[fast crest]

I still subscribe to the fucked up theory that (100%) ||maybe NEICHEL attempted to leave on a prototype of the New World, the same one that is a crashed setpiece in Star-Crossed World, and perished because of the unstable nature of said prototype||

[timber plaza]

||Neichel is actually Magolor’s mother||

[ruby geode]

||I'm neichel hi||

[gusty crane]

||What if it was Kirby?||

[junior zealot]

||i think its fascinating how neichel went from a fun tidbit and concert surprise to this somewhat deep character with fairly complex relation to the grander lore||

[ruby geode]

YEAH

[gusty crane]

||And she wanted to go to popstar?||

[timber plaza]

||youre Magolor’s mother?????????||

[ruby geode]

YEAH I AM STILL NOT OVER THAT

[ruby geode]

[broken sapphire]

||okay here is my interpretation of the entire last song

it is also objectively correct and you cannot argue against it||

[junior zealot]

we finally have our own character that haunts the series overarching narrative that arent just vague abstract ancients

we did it chat

[keen acorn]

what did i walk in on

[cloud olive]

https://tenor.com/view/shigeru-miyamoto-miyamoto-mario-bowser-bowser-jr-gif-12849182198291795159

[timber plaza]

Why does it remind me of when someone thought Gigi was my parent 😭 😭 😭 😭

[junior zealot]

😭

[ruby geode]

WHAT????? :I DONT REMEMBER THAT 😭

[timber plaza]

IT WAS LIKE LAST YEAR

[ruby geode]

maybe it's a blocked memory

[timber plaza]

😭 😭 😭 😭

Gigi is NOT that old and our age gap aren’t that far away :sob

[keen garnet]

[timber plaza]

(She might be an ancient tho)

[pastel ravine]

wtf did I walk into

[keen acorn]

[keen acorn]

no clue pal

[timber plaza]

We’re theorizing if Gigi is ancient or not

[pastel ravine]

Obviously, yes

[ruby geode]

IM OLNY A FEW YEARS OLDER THAN YOU SMH

[timber plaza]

EGGACTLY

[pastel ravine]

She’s old

[lapis reef]

Time travel...

[timber plaza]

WERE OLD

It’s like how Bandee came before Magolor!

🥚

[keen acorn]

egg catching minigame be like

[junior zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/delta-rune-gerson-gerson-boom-deltarune-chapter4-gif-11185402837047032962

[timber plaza]

😭 😭 😭

Lowkey my brain thought I was 20 years old

I was not 20 years old, I’m way past 20 years old

[keen garnet]

https://tenor.com/lXq2TShZtvg.gif

[junior zealot]

i kinda accepted the fact that im 24 now

but i did join this server when i was 20 :)

[keen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-kirby-typing-key-smash-return-to-dreamland-gif-13425350253281235053

[timber plaza]

People when they find out ancient people literally meant people from the ancient time (long ago):

I still find it funny when I first came to English community and found out there was a lot of people thinking ancient people are an entire race

Instead of literally, figuratively, people from ancient time

[lapis reef]

As someone from the English community, this baffles me to this day too

[junior zealot]

i definitely like them being from different cultures and races

they were a whole civilization

rather than just one specific type of creature

[lapis reef]

Or multiple civilizations even

[timber plaza]

Yeah!

[keen acorn]

[broken sapphire]

okay slightly better i think

[timber plaza]

Like there’s def gotta be multiple different civilizations, which they’re from ancient times
But it’s kinda funny when people think direct descendants of ancient people are ancient because “people from specific era” vs “people from that clan” differences are very very different lol

[lapis reef]

I still hold my mental image of vast trading networks and different cultures conducting diplomacy or starting wars with each other

[sudden onyx]

I think mainly because FF7 also have the Ancients and they are basically a different race of one civilisation

[remote remnant]

Also because a lot of theories I remember being prevalent when I first entered fandom was that Magolor was an ancient descendant and so they must all look like him

[junior zealot]

and then years later it turns out hes just a COSPLAYER

HE IS JUST A NEEEEEEERD

[remote remnant]

YEAH LMFAOOOO

[junior zealot]

HE IS NOT EVEN FROM HALCANDRA

[lapis reef]

Also the idea that "Oh, what if XYZ character is a descendant of the ancients?" when that's just how being alive works 😭 We're all descendants of ancient people's, and so would be true for the Kirby universe, barring any weird cases where an individual sprang into being with no ancestors