Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

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i can believe that the void-related elements come from Starries yeah

we know they just kinda start existing from stars

like

the thing about the Elfilis species is that theyre described as meteors before they land and thats because of the Starries

meaning if it was up to them they wouldn't travel being covered in crystals

[slate scarab]

Like some kinda kirby of the stars

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So the Starries being the star shower in many legends makes more thematic sense rather than it being about a singular dark meteor

like there's no one singular dark evil

but i can believe a one singular good

dykwim

[slate scarab]

I think so

Maybe the Starries introduce an element to Meteon that allows him to do more than just be evil jackalope

And if he reaaally focused hard he could become something entirely new with their help

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yeah but one must also remember Elfilis was also touched by a Starry at some point oh my god.

OHN MY GOD

Fecto Elfilis eyes: the multi-colored psychic eyes

Elfilin: starry eyes

[ripe bane]

It was?

[slate scarab]

Elfilin got that Kirby ass face very curious

[ripe bane]

Oh, wait, Elfilin implied so.

[slate scarab]

Meteonelfilin

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will not be surprised if Kirby is related to Starries

[jolly lichen]

Melfilin

[slate scarab]

The Void family

[ripe bane]

Kumazaki said he wasn't going to talk about their connection in the full version of the Nintendo Dream SCW interview, which suggests that there might be a connection.

[grave fractal]

oh do we have a full translation now

I forgor to ask

[slate scarab]

They put that Kirby of the Stars shit in English finally for a reason I know what he's doing

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i mean the thing about Void is that its the word that describes all of space and Kirby is pretty much the Space Fantasy

dotted along the void? stars

i dont doubnt their relations we just can't define them whatsoever.

[grave fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[ripe bane]

Gigi was working on one but she still hasn't posted it.

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oh hi baro

[slate scarab]

Many many such cases it's his favorite thing to say

[toxic delta]

messy comparison image for Meteonelfilis Core and Starries/crystals stuff, not really much needed to compare here tbh, mostly just the Starries and the crystal floor
meanwhile the moves still have crystal stuff, of course
and obviously there's death animation that also resembles stuff like Elfilis's and bit of other final bosses's, along with meteor hit animation and sealed meteor break animation and the colors usually associated with Starries and crystals

[high widget]

yeah

i think im up to believe that light comes from the same place and or turns into all sorts of different things

while darkness comes from anything

thats thermodynamics. baby

[toxic delta]

nah, he's a Waddle Dee trust me dude
why else does he have no mouth

[grave fractal]

Within the Void, stars arise 🗣️

[slate scarab]

Star ariiiise

[high widget]

Exactly

OH THE FIGURINE MAKES IT SO OBVIOUS

thats their eggs????????

[slate scarab]

I genuinely have no idea i was speculating that before the game came out

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weiiiiirrrrd

[ripe bane]

I still think it's funny how Elfilin's face resembles Void's face from his defeat animation.

[slate scarab]

Alongside the gray crystals in RTDXs AD levels

[grave fractal]

I'm still 100% convinced they emerge from those crystals in another dimension

which is why they have space-time powers

[slate scarab]

I can definitely buy that they plort out of those

The gray crystals in the AD levels kiiiinda look like rhe starries when they're in crystal form?

[ripe bane]

In the description, they used "gem" in katakana, so I wonder if they come from these or from Gem Apples.

[slate scarab]

I didn't really know what to make of it so I haven't really used it for speculation

[grave fractal]

and then the star gems / crystals look like this but blue when the Starries emerge

[slate scarab]

Blue Jamba Heart lore

It's funny how on the nose they were

[grave fractal]

the AD crystals make more sense to me visually as that's how their sealed form looks like

[slate scarab]

Like they bar for bar described the Jamba Heart when explaining the Meteor LOL

[grave fractal]

yea

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honestly it just makes the Jamba heart more confusing

[grave fractal]

surpassing those stars...

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because like

the elfilis meteors?

explained

the Jamba Heart?

we know fuckall

[toxic delta]

they feel related in a thematic sense but barely actual-wise

[grave fractal]

I think it looks so similar because they are opposites.
Jamba Hearts form from one's darkness getting separated from them and swallowing them, turning them into a being of darkness.
The Sealed Meteors are an embrace of light, done by the pure-hearted Starries, eventually hopefully turning the meteors into compassionate being.

[slate scarab]

Very possible the Jamba Heart was one of the meteors but was stopped before anything happened

[ripe bane]

Now I want to see a Void summoned by Starries.

[high widget]

we dont know that

we dont know anything about the Jamba Heart we just know its like a bunch of evil bullshit

that when lands on someone, turns them into evil

like was it ever a meteor? idk

[high widget]

wait

[slate scarab]

If I recall it was mentioned the Jamba Heart itself is what arriived and spread its eeeeevil

[high widget]

Its lonely

?

Oh my god.

I didn't know this

[grave fractal]

Void's backstory seems to just be big Dark Matter yea

LOL

[toxic delta]

I mean they probably travel through another dimension a similar way (and technically there's how they get broken in intro but I wouldn't count that)
but yeah definitely doesn't feel like it in the same sense

[slate scarab]

It's said kinda cryptically in the game but they also tweeted it I think. For some reason

[grave fractal]

They also mention Hyness's loneliness in a switch news channel post

The story shows the contrast between a team of friends, who are full of heart, and Hyness, who forsakes his own heart and falls into darkness. Still, even when Hyness becomes trapped in a spiral of loneliness and despair, he continues to be idolized by his three generals of magic. How does he feel about that, I wonder?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/182899928140480512/1031481058820100116/unknown-115.png

Hyness is in a spiral of loneliness and idolized by the three mages
Void Termina is in a spiral of loneliness and idolized by Hyness

[ripe bane]

I also think so because of the mentions of "substance of darkness".

[grave fractal]

it's a direct parallel

[toxic delta]

term they use is same one as the Devil Form's sword moves btw

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oh my god

[grave fractal]

they mention Dark Matter's lonely backstory in an interview of KSA so yeah

[toxic delta]

but tbh I more interpret bit of the negativeness as coming from Hyness (and Mages) and the dark hearts for the SA Voids

[grave fractal]

the inspiration is clear

[ripe bane]

What I wonder is what the Jamba Heart's connection to Dark Matter, Dark Mind, 0² and maybe Gooey is supposed to be.

[grave fractal]

Yeah but I'm talking about the ancient Void who the four heroes fought to be specific

I think that's how the Jamba Heart formed originally

to be specific

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RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

THIS LITERALLY MAKES ME LIKE VOID TERMINA MORE..................

[toxic delta]

maybe, but we barely know anything about it lol

[grave fractal]

Yes which is why I gathered evidence for my take

😭

I think that's the most likely reason, Corrupt Hyness paralleling the ancient Void Termina

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honestly they wasted the word Vagrant for Star Dream

Vagrant shouldve applied to Void Termina

[toxic delta]

anyway funny 孤独

[grave fractal]

hell, I remember Faye had the interpretation that the reason the Soul Melter EX Void Termina is called the "True Destroyer of Worlds" is because that's how he looked in the ancient past
And there's evidence for this besides the "True" part.
The phase 2 desc. mentions that Void was shining like a star, which refers to SMEX's Core form.

So there's a basis to argue SMEX Void Termina is how it looked in the ancient past

[slate scarab]

Void Termina got it so rough dog

[ripe bane]

Makes sense considering the riddle we were talking about earlier.

[grave fractal]

and I think this is important to bring up because

[slate scarab]

I really like the idea that he was supposed to be Popopo, but Twinkle Popopo never released so he never got to have friends and turned dark. It's so sad LMFAO

[grave fractal]

Aesthetically very similar lol

And these are both "pure forms" caused by the Jamba Heart (if we assume "True Destroyer" is how it looked in the ancient past!)

[toxic delta]

ehhhh it still has lot of Jambastion elements and is still implied to have been summoned the same way
like I think it looks closer but I do not think it is the same by any stretch

[high widget]

this isnt gonna affect my Kirby headcanons but its going to influence my damn OCs <3

[toxic delta]

don't forget Morpho EX

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...what the fuck is Morpho Knight

please Kuma

im begging

sobs on the floor

[grave fractal]

Sure, but Morpho Knight EX isn't brought form the same way as these two, which is the Jamba Heart.

[toxic delta]

what is going on with you why do you have Void connections

[grave fractal]

yeah it's a mystery lol

But yeah I'm pretty confident in True Destroyer being how it roughly looked in the past

or at least

how it would look

if Hyness had all the dark hearts

[vagrant hound]

Morpho Knight is Void Termina

[toxic delta]

tbh, 'True' could be more representative as closer to what Hyness wants as well

[ripe bane]

We know what Morpho Knight is: the red butterflies that judge people and bring them to hell can turn into Morpho Knight.

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im going to shake Morpho Knight until it pukes if it even can

[vagrant hound]

Reject Void Kirby theory, inject Void Morpho theory instead

[slate scarab]

I like the dark hearts idea. Perfect Termina

[grave fractal]

...which is the Destroyer from the legend 👀

Either way, the Void form is the shining star the ancients saw long ago, I think that's at least a confident statement to make here lol

[toxic delta]

yeah, moreso mean for Devil/Angel Form

[ripe bane]

I thought the desc meant the core form because of the title of the suite's final movement...?

[grave fractal]

But yea Dark Matter's backstory seems to have literally inspired Star Allies's story

so it makes sense to me that Hyness and Void would be a more massive scale of Dark Matter's story

[toxic delta]

not sure how this relates to my comment

did you mean to reply to Baro or something

[ripe bane]

Weren't you answering to Baro about the shining star desc?

[toxic delta]

see rest of conversation

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ok so basically

[grave fractal]

Ultrby was saying the True Devil/Angel form could also just be what Hyness wanted

[high widget]

"i love dark matter but i dont want dark matter to be a potential friend"

"lets make a new oc"

[toxic delta]

yeah lol (or rather, closer to it)

[grave fractal]

which IMO still counts for my theory tho cuz

he wanted the Destroyer from the legend

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god

kuma you inspire me

absorbing kirby lore to infleunce my OCs

also grabbing kuma by the collar begging for Morpho Knight answers

[grave fractal]

yeah I think taking Void as literally just "Dark Matter but bigger scale" makes it so sick

The loneliness paralleling Kirby's road of friendship...

and eventually Kirby fulfills its old forgotten wish of having a friend...

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[toxic delta]

yeah, love the parallels

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kirby when he throws friend hearts at a goopy orb

[toxic delta]

they did good job with those in SA (and FL and SCW, actually)

[grave fractal]

so yea that's the main reason I think the Jamba Heart formed in the past

when the four dudes fought Void

LOL

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Computer! Play Star Conquring Traveler!

[random tendon]

#kirby-kingdom

[grave fractal]

my bad chatr

[fringe mist]

I think the reason is pretty obvious to me

It's Star Allies music

That's all there is to it

[vital lodge]

yeah it's lazy

it doesn't fit the character you're fighting

[fringe mist]

I don't think it has to be that deep

[vital lodge]

(unlike the other UCZEX music choices)

[fringe mist]

the fact that the theme and character originate from Star Allies is enough for me

It's also very specifically the Fourth Movement, if I'm not mistaken?

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the story mode ver of Fourth Movement

[fringe mist]

What difference is there?

I know that Final Movement is reserved for Void

[toxic delta]

no, they've been connecting the two ever since the beginning

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massive difference actually

[fringe mist]

But any differences aside from the soundtrack mixing the four movements together?

[grave fractal]

Morpho Knight and Void are also beings of chaos

[gleaming stream]

This design goes hard

[grave fractal]

That's also a connection they share

[toxic delta]

so much I had it written about in a doc of mine long before SCW

[grave fractal]

I mean there is an easy connection to make ig

Void is tied to birth while Morpho Knight is death

[toxic delta]

most obvious thing is EX form colors (in Wave 3), eye thing, and the fact both of them are the only ones with move that controls your friends (both roundish too)

[grave fractal]

So there's at least a parallel going on

Maybe

[fringe mist]

Been a while since I listened to the soundtrack, so whatever difference there is, I do not recall. All I remember is that they specifically refer to the one used in the Void fight as the Final Movement

[turbid nexus]

Yeah but the song is good so who cares lol

[toxic delta]

well, Void Termina is all about destruction too

so also that

[grave fractal]

Ofc

[obtuse berry]

It's actually bc both can possess your allies so you can let Morpho Knight do upper Calibur on them for run

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idk its like if they did what they did for Morpho Knight in Guest Star without remixing

its fine

[vital lodge]

I do, apparently. Not that it really matters.

[toxic delta]

plus afterlife/paradise associations for both

OH YEAH also large dual sword move (also shared with Magolor (Soul))
(and keep in mind, Morpho's sword did have Master Crown stuff in concept art so lol)

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show

[toxic delta]

plus there's Divine Terminus stuff obviously

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also atp we should jsut move any conversation about Morpho Knight to kirby kingdom

this is the main reason we keep bringing up non-SCW into this channel LMAO

[fringe mist]

Right, fair enough. I mean, I wasn't really needing that justification myself for why Void music for Morpho Knight in UCZ EX, but I certainly will take it

[toxic delta]

Master Crown thing? was shown in SA Channel post

[vital lodge]

I mean, this conversation started because of a music choice in SCW

[toxic delta]

yeah

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exactly

but its not related to anything else in SCW

so the convo gets derailed instantly

[toxic delta]

Void and Morpho (and Hyness) also share fiery-esque motifs

but yeah there's basically been lot of things connecting them since the start and it makes sense why they used that song for fight in SCW

[obtuse berry]

This means we should kill the scw thread

[vagrant hound]

Can we talk about SCW Alarmo

[toxic delta]

has anyone gotten everything from it in full yet

[vagrant hound]

I have all the recordings

But the ending is separate recordings

[toxic delta]

ah

[vagrant hound]

Reverting back to SCW convo, I’m gonna post the SCW ones

[toxic delta]

you have From Those Who Departed for Space? is there anything new in it, guessing not

[vagrant hound]

Nothing new, it just loops forever

[toxic delta]

ah

[vagrant hound]

Full recording of the 2 Star-Crossed World Alarmo (ending is separate file)

[vagrant hound]

Self pin

[jagged wind]

picture of obama giving himself a medal

[vagrant hound]

Twinkling Skate Park and Lunch Rush is my favorite Alarmo, those 2 were the best done one LOL Especially because while others only uses single music, Skate Park and Lunch Rush uses 2 separate song for the alarm

[toxic delta]

'Twinkling Skating Rink'
has more than Twinkling Skating Rink
false advertising smh

(it's also not in all caps in English which makes things even funnier)

[vagrant hound]

Literally unlistenable Alarm smh /j

[thorny fulcrum]

How many times does Neichel say la in Twinkling Star Showers

[ripe bane]

It's sometimes hard to tell when it's supposed to be "la" and when it's supposed to be "ra".

[thorny fulcrum]

For simplicity let’s count both

Also @ripe bane :)

[wise flame]

Deltarune moment

Some songs in the game, although initially giving the impression that they should be associated with a specific thing, have since been used in other contexts

OK ngl my only real ""gripe"" with the final four music is that the music isn't in chronological order like in Star Allies SMEX.

[lean grove]

i mean eh

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thats the lobby themes

not the actual battle themes

[lean grove]

plus the chronological order thing is due to the whole "anniversary" thing to begin with

like its a motif across the game as a whole when reusing music

[sterile quartz]

physically impossible

ehh i dont think it fits a boss fight in general

that was my issue

[vital lodge]

it may not be a "boss-like theme" but it thematically fits the character and the trouble he's going through.

[sterile quartz]

didnt the interview state that it was kirby who influenced void termina and not the other way around

[random tendon]

no, the interview only said that was a possibility

[sterile quartz]

what if we deign the ability non-canon and for gameplay purposes only

[vagrant hound]

scw amirite

[sterile quartz]

no antares was a reference to a constellation originally

the ares thing was added with genwel

[shut pendant]

what if we deign kirby non-canon

[random tendon]

also won't argue about this because I don't want, but it's not impossible: parallels, or you can figure out a way to work. I mean, to begin with, it makes no sense to refight the phantoms, melfilis, and a lot of other stuff

[sterile quartz]

ehh that's kind of impossible

genwel doesn't seem to have the same space time powers that gk has

no i'd say it is unnatural
because the larva form (powered up) is in genwel's antlers

the true form is still the larva

does fecto elfilis have fecto forgo floating outside its own body controlling it?

it's implied that no, it did arrive as elfilis and not forgo imo

but genwel was unnatural
genwel never truly achieved that form

[sterile quartz]

wasnt the shining void an even higher and non sentient entity than the one we fight

[sterile quartz]

does it even count though?

if it got cut it probably isnt that important

[grave fractal]

Not really said so, nah. It's said in the desc. of SMEX's cocoon form, and Void is the "twinkling star", "astral birth" and "star arise" and whatnot

[sterile quartz]

ik but it's kind of implied that there was another...

[gleaming stream]

Can’t wait for one of these to be used in a future Kirby game

[grave fractal]

It says there were as many Voids, yes, but it's still implied the shining star one looked well, like the one who's called a shining star lol

[toxic delta]

it literally did, they basically call it a 'perfect form' and explained how they work

if anything Elfilis would be the unnatural one but even then like, we don't know how much besides possibly Core shenanigans

[toxic delta]

also that's probably its Core. not the Larva

we see both of Genwel's Larva forms and they're literally just like Forgo/Elfilis's

and it's round like Elfilis's Cores, we just don't know how Elfilis's species Cores actually work in general fully

do I need to make a ID-F86/Meteonelfilis species doc at this point or something

[arctic gale]

pleeeeeease

[toxic delta]

mentioning Elfilis stuff, I am only now just noticing Chaos Elfilis's body also becomes goopy just like Fecto's was when its Core gets plucked out (before it gets turned into orbs)
makes sense, neat

[tacit saffron]

lobster

🦞

or a shrimp

[toxic delta]

also the pose Meteonelfilis does when Core gets exposed and main body vanishes is probably supposed to resemble this one

just, it's basically standing obviously unlike what the Elfilis forms do (due to Giant Impact and its position)
and it disappears in a different way

bro why is UCZ Chaos Elfilis the only one doing a different pose

stop trying to aurafarm bitch

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Roaring Elfilis

[turbid nexus]

I can hear the Lab Discovera activation sound just by looking at this lol

[tepid burrow]

The Ultimate Lifeform

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The Ultimate Li f e o r m

[gleaming stream]

the ultimate lifeform

[turbid nexus]

THE DREAM DISCOVERIES TOUR!

The Ultimate Lifeform! The Ultimate Lifeform! The Ultimate Lifeform! The Ultimate Lifeform! The Ultimate Lifeform! The Ultimate L i f e f o r m…!

[vagrant hound]

Peak…

[turbid nexus]

Honestly though the beginning of this track isn’t the same without the Beast Council clones screaming their heads off lmao

[sterile quartz]

Ehh idk it feels false/unnaturally achieved

Like us seeing the shell around the fetal form feels wrong

While with fecto that doesn’t happen

[toxic delta]

how? it absorbed Starries, just like how Forgo attacked and consumed the natural wildlife of the new world

and Forgo probably had it when it first arrived

we just never see it

[sterile quartz]

And we know from chaos Elfilis it’s possible that, with enough power, you can unnaturally go to final form

[sterile quartz]

Doesn’t have it as chaos either

[toxic delta]

we KNOW they were surrounded by Starries so they were a meteor

[toxic delta]

what. why would they have it as Chaos Elfilis???

Soul Forgo doesn't either but like. duh

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why does it feel wrong to see genwel orb having the thing around the eye

[toxic delta]

they said Larva which means they're talking about the meteor (as that's the only time you can actually see Meteonelfilis's Larva form)

Core is not Larva, it has never been Larva

[sterile quartz]

It is the larva

[toxic delta]

since when

[high widget]

theyre talking abotu the dark stuff on the meteor?

[sterile quartz]

Or is a shell for the larva for

[high widget]

thing is just dehydrated

[sterile quartz]

When it explodes genwel’s base form is underneath it

[high widget]

forgo is hydrated because Eternal Capsule

[sterile quartz]

It’s just a shell for the meteor/larva form

[toxic delta]

like. we literally see Larva form. we've seen Elfilis's Cores (albeit after it split). we know it's not Larva

[toxic delta]

I mean....so does Elfilis's have the light (and contain Elfilin for Fecto)

doesn't make it THE larva

[sterile quartz]

Elfilis doesn’t have an orb with larva forgo in it

[toxic delta]

and we have no idea what Elfilis's pre-split looks like

[high widget]

orbs are the soul not the larva larva is a whole ass biological thing the soul is something that every kirby boss does

[toxic delta]

it DOES have a Core containing sleeping Elfilin though!

[sterile quartz]

*ventricle

[toxic delta]

Core

[sterile quartz]

The official title is wrong

[toxic delta]

it is called a Core

[sterile quartz]

It’s a ventricle

[high widget]

the fuck you mean the official title is wrong

[sterile quartz]

And Elfilis still exists without it

[toxic delta]

okay now you're just making fanfiction then

[sterile quartz]

Biologically speaking it’s a ventricle

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/387983223919083520/1426325542759825599/G227MVtaoAA546w.jpg?ex=68ead0ad&is=68e97f2d&hm=36ab36f8a116501f69d43b5041143572705da53d27905691df70ffbbb26f7d86&=&format=webp&width=929&height=544

this image comes to mind

[toxic delta]

looking at the definition of ventricle
fuck no that's not a ventricle, even if it was it would apply to literally every modern Core except for Soul of Sectonia's

[jagged wind]

it has a core containing ventricle elfilin?

[toxic delta]

maybe 心室 literally could be, but like
that's a different word

[sterile quartz]

Ok well core is the wrong term imo

[jagged wind]

ah got it
it has a core containing sleeping ventricle

[sterile quartz]

Bubble or cell would be right

[high widget]

the core is a fan term because we don't wanna say orb man

its an orb

[toxic delta]

it's not a fan term anyway

it's official

[high widget]

cool

[toxic delta]

since fucking TDX

[sterile quartz]

We just deigned it one

[toxic delta]

with Soul of Sectonia
and it's used for Elfilis's multiple times

[twin fog]

It has a nucleus containing power orb elfilin who is the plumbus of Genwel (the evil meteor is a kidney stone)

[high widget]

what even is like. your goal here

[random tendon]

this is such a good image 😭

[toxic delta]

Nucleus is good one, funny Nova

[high widget]

dude its such a scary image

it makes me scared of my own writing

[toxic delta]

then Star Dream Soul OS uses Core because lmao

[high widget]

this shit is why im such a damn perfectionist

[random tendon]

why is kumazaki acting like he knows so much lol

[high widget]

people who deem themselves more an expert than the actual author that tells you what the fuck they wrote

[random tendon]

YEAH

these people are scary

kirby fandom

[sterile quartz]

What if sakurai chose to retcon out the lore

All of it

Every last word

Because he hated

[random tendon]

I don't think he can

HAL owns kirby

and nintendo

[high widget]

Like I can't think of writing parallels or scenes without thinking of someone misinterpreting

[toxic delta]

yep, and he does not work at HAL

[sterile quartz]

“Every game after super star is non canon”

[high widget]

dude what is your goal here

[toxic delta]

and like, someone could just undo it if he for some reason did (he doesn't)

people move on, or die

[sterile quartz]

To make the fandom say orb because core doesn’t work in the context

[twin fog]

Sakurai will confirm that that Antares is Elfilin's third tibia

[high widget]

i don't even know how to respond

[sterile quartz]

In other words

[high widget]

im going to Think About Twinkling Star Showers

[toxic delta]

what if I say コア instead

[high widget]

have a nice day

[sterile quartz]

This fandom has no whimsy

[random tendon]

why are we arguing the definition of the word "core" what 😭

[sterile quartz]

No “X japan” today

[vagrant hound]

X-japan

amazing band /s

[toxic delta]

the defintion of core:

[sterile quartz]

Because this fandom needs more whimsy

[random tendon]

what

[toxic delta]

literally got 13 even in a single dictionary lmao

[sterile quartz]

Cell would be the correct term for the Elfilis bubble

[vagrant hound]

I think everyone should act more evil and like japanese community which is the scariest community ever

[toxic delta]

no it would not lol

[sterile quartz]

Yes it would be

[toxic delta]

Forgo literally throws its own cells

[toxic delta]

we know what they look like

[sterile quartz]

The term for that is blob

[random tendon]

what is your issue with the word "core"

[vagrant hound]

demon core

[sterile quartz]

It doesn’t work in that context

[jagged wind]

killed his grandma

[random tendon]

why does it not work

and what context

[toxic delta]

no it's 細胞

[sterile quartz]

Also because we need to differentiate it from chaos Elfilis core

And Genwel larva final form

[vagrant hound]

did you know, the artist and animator behind a funny youtube short "demon core-kun" has done several official kirby artwork and also worked on the art for some of the itsudemo kirby series!!

[jagged wind]

why

[random tendon]

I'm legit so lost

[jagged wind]

top tier trolling icl

[twin fog]

You see
The craziest fucking part isn't your disagreement with the word core but you are unironically suggesting 'cell' and 'ventricle' I don't think you know what words mean

[random tendon]

but I think so is everyone in this channel

[toxic delta]

can you cite a dictionary
-sincerely from, the dictionary lover

[sterile quartz]

It’s not a troll

[jagged wind]

dude...

[sterile quartz]

No really

[toxic delta]

....you just say that by saying Fecto's
also Chaos Elfilis has two

[twin fog]

I am petitioning to start calling every circular living object a star

[toxic delta]

true tbh

the moon is a star and you can't stop me

(-Kumazaki, probably)

[sterile quartz]

This isn’t bait this is a shrapnel

[jagged wind]

moon matter

[sterile quartz]

No because

[twin fog]

The moon is a star in like every language including English dictionary definition, just not scientific definition

[vagrant hound]

next thing we will discuss about mitochondria inside mefilis

[twin fog]

Star is just one of those words where everyone just for some reason is obsessed with the scientific definition of the word over the general definition

[sterile quartz]

Also this came from a disagreement in the Genwel eye

Yall are convinced it’s the same thing as chaos Elfilis soul and the elfilin bubble

It’s not

Genwel’s Elfilis form is artificial

It didn’t become complete

[toxic delta]

yes it did

[sterile quartz]

No it became false complete

Chaos Elfilis isn’t complete is it

[toxic delta]

yes it is

[sterile quartz]

Is it

No

It doesn’t have Elfilin

[toxic delta]

so what

[sterile quartz]

That’s literally part of it’s mind

[toxic delta]

and?

[sterile quartz]

Even more of which was consumed by Morpho

It is not complete

[toxic delta]

that's not needed to become Perfect

[sterile quartz]

It is just powerful enough to maintain the illusion

Genwel is the same

The Elfilis body is just an illusion

Much unlike fecto where it’s the real thing

[twin fog]

If you check the dictionary definition of complete, it says this so Chaos Elfilis is objectively complete, I'm sorry

[sterile quartz]

Why does it turn to dust but the eye remains

Doesn’t that seem odd if Genwel is natural

That it doesn’t have that

[toxic delta]

using Faye's translations https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wbRK3V-ibe_l3g14S2Yo3IqITeQRouME6M6whvlvrVw/edit

[sterile quartz]

That disagreeement is where the core came from

[shrewd oracle]

furry college

[sterile quartz]

Did it say anything about naturally being one

[toxic delta]

I mean
how can we can Genwel is unnatural if we literally have never seen 'natural' Elfilis

[sterile quartz]

Fecto Elfilis is natural/true Elfilis

[toxic delta]

no, why would it need to
literally everything tells you how they work

[toxic delta]

is splitting natural

[sterile quartz]

It devolved when Elfilin was split

[toxic delta]

is Elfilin in the Core natural

[sterile quartz]

Hadn’t fully reassimilated Elfilin yet

[sterile quartz]

See prior post

[toxic delta]

okay so you just contradicted yourself lmao

we have never seen natural Elfilis then

[sterile quartz]

No I didn’t

[sterile quartz]

Yes we did

[twin fog]

Genwel's true form is a horse you can see the hidden pause description in the Umamusume crossover that released 3 years from now

[toxic delta]

true....

[sterile quartz]

It grew into Fecto Elfilis, and devolved back

When Elfilin split from it due to whatever happened

[vagrant hound]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-umamusume-musume-anime-horse-gif-13953093241836933010

[sterile quartz]

What Genwel is is if capsule Fecto forgo existed outside of the body

[vagrant hound]

bro's ears are so big

[twin fog]

True perfect lifeform

[sterile quartz]

Genwel became perfect unnaturally

Rather than doing whatever the proper growing process is

[toxic delta]

and what is the 'natural' growing process

[sterile quartz]

We don’t know

We know Fecto went through it because there’s no transfigured fetus form in Elfilis’s horns

And the body doesn’t just dissolve to dust for said form to fight

The closest is chaos Elfilis and that’s because we ripped their soul out

[toxic delta]

I mean how do we know the split didn't fuck things up

[sterile quartz]

It wasn’t already detached like genwel’s was

[toxic delta]

and how do we also know it's not a variable thing

[sterile quartz]

Why would it be

[toxic delta]

we've seen literally no other members other than Genwel and Fecto

[sterile quartz]

Why would it

[toxic delta]

I mean the Core's clearly fucked up

[sterile quartz]

I feel like they’d be closer to Fecto than Genwel

[sterile quartz]

Is it though

It seems like we damage Elfilis enough to gash open their back and then rip out Elfilin’s imprisonment bubble (see forgo dreams leongar) or their own soul

It’s still part of them

[toxic delta]

yes? we literally see Elfilin sleeping in it?

[sterile quartz]

But it’s still part of them

[toxic delta]

so

[sterile quartz]

With Genwel, it comes off like the body is a puppet

[twin fog]

No clearly elfilis was born with an elfilin sitting inside them in a bubble somewhere

[sterile quartz]

And we’ll

[sterile quartz]

Again Elfilis didn’t finish reassimiliating Elfilin yet

[twin fog]

How are you going to say this right after claiming there's nothing abnormal about elfilis

[toxic delta]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wbRK3V-ibe_l3g14S2Yo3IqITeQRouME6M6whvlvrVw/edit https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CJLej8y_5kyKFpnZ1IJzS-_v0rxjzuzNlV-cvHQXnLk/edit (Faye's translations)
anyway just gonna post these again lol

[sterile quartz]

There are abnormalities but they feel less abnormal than Genwel

Like Genwel being older but not complete

Ok have yall beaten Chrono trigger

I feel like the final boss of that game is a fair comparison to what I am trying to say genwel’s deal is

[sterile quartz]

I already saw this, does it say anything about it being natural

[toxic delta]

....again these apply to both so like
why would it need to

[sterile quartz]

Idk man just

Genwel’s body feels artificially created in a way fecto’s does not

[vast bolt]

I’m struggling to understand what your point about Genwell actually is. Try to summarize exactly what you mean by it feeling different in one succinct message

[twin fog]

The point is Genwel is old man yaoi with nightmare trust

You know I'm right jedi

unless you're saying genwel doesn't give off enough old man energy

[vast bolt]

I really don’t

[toxic delta]

actually he's kissing Parallel Nightmare specifically

[vast bolt]

Tbh Genwell moreso gives off hardass older brother vibes but this is probably just because I can’t unsee Cooler dragon ball

[twin fog]

When are we getting uhhhhhh
Uhhhh
I don't remember what the cyborg cooler was called but when are we getting that

[sterile quartz]

IMO Genwel becomes perfect artificially and the body form of Genwel is just a puppet body and not Genwel itself

[vast bolt]

Think it’s just Metal Cooler

Metal Genwell…

[sterile quartz]

Genwel is the eye in phase 3, which is just an evolved shell surrounding Genwel’s initial meteorite form

[vast bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/dokkan-dokkan-battle-dbz-dokkan-battle-dragon-ball-z-dokkan-battle-phy-metal-cooler-gif-10547462653532030029

[vagrant hound]

Too bad I’m making him kiss Magolor

[twin fog]

Metal Genwel Meteonelfilis

[toxic delta]

Magolor can't kiss everybody can he

[vast bolt]

This I do agree is weird as fuck

[sterile quartz]

Genwel, despite being older, never evolved into the final stage and only tries to attain it artificially as a last ditch

[vast bolt]

Genwell is the eyeball itself while Elfilis doesn’t even have one

[twin fog]

"When you know it's some void bullshit but you can't prove it" meme

[vagrant hound]

Too bad! I’m making Magolor kiss everything!!

[toxic delta]

yeah but like
we basically having nothing to go off of to say it's something weird about Genwel

[vast bolt]

See now you’re losing me

[toxic delta]

and not Elfilis
or if it's just a variable species thing to begin with

[vast bolt]

you’re introducing elements such as evolution and desperation forms out of thing air with nothing empirical within the game to support this conclusion

[sterile quartz]

It never became an “Elfilis”

It remained a “forgo”

That’s what I’m trying to say

[high widget]

its name is literally Meteonelfilis / Mefilis

[sterile quartz]

It didn’t take whatever natural process it took to become an adult

[sterile quartz]

I mean form wise

[sudden mirage]

Not with that attitude

[sterile quartz]

It’s like if a caterpillar, instead of becoming a pupa, ate something powerful and grew a butterfly shaped shell around itself

[toxic delta]

btw Elfilis does have a Core, just it's not an eyeball (mind you this seemingly partially came from Starries in first place) and also seemingly only partial one for Fecto (containing sleeping Elfilin)

[twin fog]

It's so weird that logically the eyeball must've come from the starries

[sterile quartz]

The issue is that Elfilis is a the body and Genwel is the eyeball

[toxic delta]

was doing messy comparison image with Starries earlier lol

[gleaming stream]

Not with that big ass belt buckle in the way lmao

[sterile quartz]

Elfilis still exists after removing Elfilin

Genwel turns to dust as soon as the eye tries to fight

And the base form of Genwel is in the eye

[toxic delta]

well, Elfilis reverts to Forgo it's just not instant

[sterile quartz]

While Elfilis seems to begin to degrade to their prior form

[vagrant hound]

Choose the most tastiest looking one

[sterile quartz]

Yes but it’s the body that does that

Not some detached orb

[random tendon]

imagine if this had leaked with no context before SCW released

[twin fog]

Starries look like a gummy candy I'd love to chew on one

[toxic delta]

Chaos Elfilis becomes goopy too actually but the Core turns it into orbs

[sterile quartz]

Wasn’t that due to the soul draining power out of the body

Until the orbs were all that was left

[toxic delta]

I mean, it still didn't have much context when it leaked so close enough lmao

[high widget]

so like. do you guys think of the blue part as the eye or the black cross with the red inside as the eye

[gleaming stream]

Galacta, what happened? Orb.

[vagrant hound]

Hahaha yeah, yea

[sterile quartz]

The frame we had of Genwel made it look like their antlers were their face

[toxic delta]

blueberries....

[twin fog]

Blue is sclera and cross is iris, glowing light is pupil

[sterile quartz]

Which made us think they were a dark matter or void termina trying to become an Elfilis

[high widget]

yeah but i cant stop thinking of the cross as the like eye itself

[sterile quartz]

Reminds me of someone who believed chaos-Elfilis was zero in Elfilis’s corpse

[gleaming stream]

woah faye are you a doctor

[high widget]

like its less of a full eye in my head and i keep imagining it as like

this Wheatley/Glados thing

ykwim

[twin fog]

It's like the opposite of how everyone says Dark Mind and Zero are eyeballs when they're just a ball with an eye and no other features

[high widget]

the way the eye goes into the back of its head so to speak was raw

thoust reminds me

https://tenor.com/view/moro-indie-cross-series-animated-animation-gif-8773305022157295965

he is a Starry

[random tendon]

kumazaki you are not beating the allegations

The music for the final opponent also has a structure in which the chorus gradually gets stronger, making you imagine the presence of an enemy being drawn in by a song.

okay sure

[turbid nexus]

https://youtu.be/ir3fXvwJktk?si=o2u588-SMugLyWII So Starry!!!!!!

Big fan of how solemn the male background vocals sound in this particular part

Honestly I like to interpret the main theme getting drowned out as Elfilis slowly losing the will to fight as they realize that even when wielding their brother’s spear they know full well they’re going to lose to Kirby and Bandee lol

[gleaming stream]

Hmm

I’m not sure about that because Elfilis isn’t holding back at all during the fight

[coarse arrow]

Lured in...like....

[gleaming stream]

https://fixupx.com/nire023/status/1976998109613044014?s=46 studying the roster…

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[rocky berry]

btw we'll be closing and archiving this thread tomorrow, in about 24 hours

[ocean ingot]

rip...

[gleaming stream]

Hey zlaker did you like scw

[rocky berry]

it was kinda ass tbh

[gleaming stream]

[wise flame]

Viewing this as a DLC purely because of the Upgrade Pak option kinda messed with our perception of the new content

Not helping was how much SCW was emphasized despite it ultimately being cool EX levels

Still, in terms of the S2E as a whole... the only worthwhile one available atm

[shut pendant]

Fun fact: Kirby Dance / Short (Starry Ver.), Heart-Racing Beach, Washed Away at the Cement Summit, Crossing Wondaria, Spinning Dream Parade, Rally Raid Speedway, Moonlight Canyon Labyrinth, Kirby's Tilt-and-Roll Festival, Admiring the Shiny Figure Collection, Crumbling Fiery Forbidden Lands, Beast Drum of Meteors, Two Planets Approach the Roche Limit (Starry Ver.), Everything Shines! Gotcha Machine Master, Welcome Home, Hero, and Last Song (Incomplete) - NEICHEL's Unfinished Track are the only star-crossed world-original tracks to not have the twinkling star showers motif

[ripe bane]

You say "the only" but they're a lot.

[shut pendant]

that's 15/48 of the whole star-crossed world ost (excluding z ex music directly taken from other games of course), which is less than 1/3rd of the soundtrack
if you also exclude the starry versions of kirby dance and roche limit, it's 13/46 or about 28%

[shut pendant]

over two thirds of the soundtrack have the same motif lol

[tepid burrow]

No more Neichel talk in this channel…

[gleaming stream]

It’s rude to talk about someone who’s listening

[vagrant hound]

The final dawn… 24 hours left

[gleaming stream]

Well, in that case

What’s one thing you didn’t like about scw

[vagrant hound]

Where the hell is Magolor

[gleaming stream]

Starry bait

[tepid burrow]

Dinner

[turbid nexus]

all of it

Jk
Lack of other bosses in the mode tbh

That’s really my only criticism of it lol

Especially since how fun the bosses in FL were imo I wish we saw more for this mode

[wise flame]

Because SCW was heavily targeted towards first-time players of FL as a whole, its progression just feels quite shallow for prior players like us

You rescue starries just so that you unlock the ending

Sure, there's 2 gacha "machines" that eventually unlock... but that's kinda it

Granted, expectations of new evos or services were doomed from the start in regards to the whole intent (and general story/approach) of SCW

[gleaming stream]

But UCZEX

[shut pendant]

#1357065850951041247 will be... lost media?

https://tenor.com/view/bowser-mario-strikers-rage-anger-cope-seethe-mald-gif-25797860

[green crater]

It's not great for multiplayer, what with the new mouthfuls all taking away P2 agency and also being very prevalent in every level

Not that FL multiplayer is great to begin with, but it's at least ok in base game

[gleaming stream]

Bandee deserves better

[turbid nexus]

Oh and lack of Treasure Roads too lol
That's two things but like
Still weird there weren't any new ones

[green crater]

At least one for each new mouthful would have been cool

[turbid nexus]

Ye

And also a new TR theme too
I can already see it being called "Starry Treasures" lol

[gleaming stream]

The user below hates treasure roads

[sudden mirage]

Oh yeah I’m sad about there being no new treasure roads

That’s it though I loved everything else

[lean grove]

I think they didn't do that due to a figure being tied to completing all Treasure Roads already

like yeah would have been nice if they gave us something that was the same but with a different appearance and name to get around that but

I can guess why that's why they didn't do that

[wise flame]

It's cool but like... I wished there was a secondary town or something

Sadly, Starries are HOMELESS BUMS

[turbid nexus]

Ahhh that makes sense lol

[turbid nexus]

Honestly same
I thought Fallen Star Volcano was going to be a secondary hub
But compared to Dee Town it's really just a whole lotta nothing since the only two new Dees hang out in town

[gleaming stream]

Yeah fallen star volcano merely because a boss arena is missed potential

Could’ve interacted with the starries…

[wise flame]

Also, not even another POST-GAME evolution is a BIG BIG missed opportunity

Ok I wanted to bring up Bandee but like, his gameplay is so basic, no wonder he's a player 2 exclusive

[gleaming stream]

Crystal needle

Antares spear

I now understand the Bandee afterthought critique

I wish he had more to do even in base FL

I mean this game primarily revolves around dees

[jolly lichen]

I kinda do not like idea of having another OP evolution like morpho sword (Potentially even more busted since it's later addition) that able to cheese the entire of Z EX cup even more easily, so I'm glad that never happened honestly...

[jagged wind]

dees nuts

https://tenor.com/view/reir-hora-de-aventura-la-desaparecer-malvado-chistoso-gif-21610208

[tepid burrow]

3 hours left…

[random tendon]

what

[tepid burrow]

until this thread closes

[random tendon]

no

[random tendon]

"in about 24 hours"

[tepid burrow]

Ah

[vagrant hound]

Please let me close this thread so I can make another your theory is wrong joke

[shut pendant]

please let ME close this thread

[tepid burrow]

No

[vagrant hound]

Magolor Epilogue

[tepid burrow]

Make this thread into a Neichel thread

[shut pendant]

actually let me blatantly advertise my kirby lore doc that has all the star-crossed world backstory before it closes https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Sec9cj5xtaJLkDdp6eRwVNDs7OBTy4uTxq60Ts-0TfI/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.jjhohb2o6y2o

[tepid burrow]

But honestly I think SCW was alright, the lack of new bosses was really a disappointment but overall it gave me a challenge for sure!

[random tendon]

I need to finish my interview translation before it closes

(I probably won't)

[tepid burrow]

Take your time Sailor de- I mean Gigi!

[high widget]

thats Bandanna Dee...

[vagrant hound]

Sailor dee lost his memories and now works as dedede as minion dee

[random tendon]

funny fushigi

of course the meteor is fushigi

lol another running through the new world reference

[gleaming stream]

rip this thread

[vagrant hound]

Dies soon

Magolor Magolor Magolor

[gleaming stream]

next mainline title trust

he is kuma's son after all

[turbid nexus]

https://youtu.be/jn16cx5xU18?si=BQR4NmzJYKktTPyZ Haunting this thread with ZEX tracks

[gleaming stream]

will never forget how they casually showed this off in the switch 2 presentation

lmao

[turbid nexus]

I remember going nuts seeing it lol

[gleaming stream]

now fl as a whole is a must play

scw makes the game feel complete

it is complete, y'know what I mean

I hope elfilin shows up more

[turbid nexus]

The more the merrier

[ocean ingot]

Secret Hal Room Starry ahs e enemememmemememeneahahsghshehrhrhrhjrhehwjja

Cioheemtt thiught

So peaksksksd

Ahem

Secret Hal Room Starry Ver. is so peak.....

I've been listening to it for hours on loop....

[turbid nexus]

Each composer deserves a good night’s kiss for this soundtrack

[gleaming stream]

where's their plushie smh

I know they'll eventually get a plushie, I mean look at them

[turbid nexus]

Babies

[turbid nexus]

https://youtu.be/9suP6DW6Uko?si=dn3w-UVD8TDqzKAq You too

I’m really happy they brought back the hard rock theming from SSU’s True Arena for ZEX

[gleaming stream]

I'm happy this soundtrack embraces electric guitars

meteoric beast battle 🔥 🔥 🔥

yukkuri will def get last posting rights so I'll just say this

I fucking love the kirby franchise grahhhhhh

[shadow kindle]

I honestly love this song a whole lot

[wise flame]

"Change the world, my final message, goodbye"

https://tenor.com/view/astronomer-waddle-dee-kirby-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-star-crossed-world-waddle-dee-gif-509368666746542104

(Oh wait it's only 12 hours... fuuuuuuuuck)

[fringe mist]

You still have time to make an edit of the Star-Crossed World intro scene where it fades from the original to the Kirby Alone Ver.

[gleaming stream]

[vagrant hound]

Well

Everyone get your last words in

It’s closing soon

[toxic delta]

The Ultimate Lifeform

[vagrant hound]

THE ULTIMATE LIFEFORM

[tepid burrow]

The Ultimate Lifeform

[vagrant hound]

We should all sing Eternally Stirring Fa-lu-wa-a Song

[jagged wind]

my name is neichel
im in the lor
it was difficult to put the pieces together
but unfortunately
something went so wrong
and now i cant do anything
but sing this unfinished song
my name is neichel, neichel, neichel

[gleaming stream]

Magolor should be in the next dlc

[tepid burrow]

Will he die?

[jagged wind]

yes

[gleaming stream]

No

[jagged wind]

https://tenor.com/view/aokiji-kuzan-aokiji-akainu-sakazuki-one-piece-gif-25814193

[vagrant hound]

No

[tepid burrow]

Yes

We should sign Neichel’s last song

I’ll start

[vagrant hound]

Sign

Can we sing in Japanese

まほろばあああああああああ

[tepid burrow]

Sure

You start then

[vagrant hound]

マホロア

I think we should talk about the hottest take on SCW

[tepid burrow]

Neichel should’ve appeared, this is the reason why I hate Shinya Kumazaki

[gleaming stream]

Yeah why can’t we eat the starries

It’s not fair

[vagrant hound]

UCZEX Chaos Elfilis isn’t that hard

[gleaming stream]

[tepid burrow]

Genwel wasn’t even that hard

[vagrant hound]

Easier than some phantoms

[gleaming stream]

Is yukkuri a pro gamer

[tepid burrow]

Probably

[vagrant hound]

Ngl I struggle more with Forgo Dedede

Oh I mean Forgo Dedede and Gorimondo

[tepid burrow]

They spend they’re free time building they’re Magolor Shrine

[jagged wind]

i blame years of muscle memory

[vagrant hound]

They’re harder than Chaos Elfilis

There’s a beeping noise coming out somewhere in the room I’m in rn and it has like, almost same exact pitch and tempo as Lor’s beeping noise

😭 😭 😭

My brain wants to convert to Fa-lu-wa-a Song

[tepid burrow]

Ok you need help

[vagrant hound]

Nah I’m being serious my mother was like “what is this beeping” and I’m like “Lor? Lor?”

[tepid burrow]

The Ghost of Neichel is haunting you

[vagrant hound]

Good

[tepid burrow]

It should be haunting me

[vagrant hound]

I’m still salty about Alarmo not playing actual twinkling Star showers

[tepid burrow]

[gleaming stream]

Next game Bandee should be the main character

[tepid burrow]

Not gonna happen

[vagrant hound]

Just play Bandee as Air Riders

[tepid burrow]

How many hours until the thread closes?

[gleaming stream]

He’s overshadowed by everyone else

[vagrant hound]

8 min till the thread dies

[tepid burrow]

Let’s sing Neichel’s last song then

3

2

1

You sleep, believing that you'll find one planet in that great big universe.

Nvm

Im Going To miss you Neichel…

Now we won’t probably hear about Neichel again for a long while

[gleaming stream]

We can’t see her

She’s dead

[vagrant hound]

Dark Nebula will return

[gleaming stream]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-nebula-kirby-gif-10586057423926861664

[tepid burrow]

Should I do it?

[trim sail]

And becomes a good final boss

[tepid burrow]

All of your theories are wrong

3 minutes?

[gleaming stream]

GK never existed

[trim sail]

But that gachapon hinted at a warrior being sealed by the Starries

[gleaming stream]

Then he’s a big fraud

[tepid burrow]

Genwel being a Elfilis clone was really disappointing

But it is a species

[vagrant hound]

I’m locking this place because there was no physical appearance of Magolor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1410236410564182097/1420620903384875008/IMG_5580.gif