idk who numbered is
#Return to Dream Land Deluxe
warm sun
It’s joeover
solar nest
who's joeover
earnest sphinx
ah i see my typing speed outpaced my thinking speed again
solar nest
Gigi who is numbered
valid locust
(I swear the announcement has been planned for some days but we kept forgetting lol)
plucky monolith
so I heard apparently in Magolor Epilogue the boss debuffs (from dying to a boss) are kept through New Games (aka starting new Epilogue run on same save file)
if that's true then lmao
earnest sphinx
wuh
plucky monolith
I wonder does HiAD do that too or no
heavy vigil
(I swear the announcement has been planned for some days but we kept forgetting ...
truly the Forgotten Land
sturdy ore
In the final
void blaze
so I heard apparently in Magolor Epilogue the boss debuffs (from dying to a boss...
it's like banjo kazooie where the optimal way to speedrun is by dying in an existing file before starting a new one
Truly kooky
plucky monolith
apparently they banned it for speedruns for Epilogue
ripe mulch
That's funny lol
Does defeating a boss reset it then? Or are you stuck making a whole new save
plucky monolith
yeah, just have to defeat the boss
ripe mulch
It's funny it carries over though lol
valid locust
that sounds like a bug... or very weird feature
ripe mulch
It sounds like a bug to me. Or rather an oversight. Like they just forgot to put that reset in as part of the save wipe
One of those things that's probably easy to miss in testing too, and lower priority even if found
sturdy ore
so I heard apparently in Magolor Epilogue the boss debuffs (from dying to a boss...
Lmao
plucky monolith
Helper Magolor's teleport/Dimensional Vanish is different color from the one used in Epilogue, Star Allies, and Fighters 2, interesting
and Helper Magolor's has the circle
void blaze
apparently they banned it for speedruns for Epilogue
feels odd cuz I imagine it's easy to accidentally do lol
but it makes sense
wicked wolf
Helper Magolor's teleport/Dimensional Vanish is different color from the one use...
I wonder if an artbook would ever note that
ripe mulch
Oh yeah I did this earlier!
ripe mulch
Helper Magolor's teleport/Dimensional Vanish is different color from the one use...
Maybe his trip through hell the depths of another dimension changed his powers slightly 🤔
gritty lava
Samureye
ripe mulch
My two favorite masks for Samurai Kirby 100 are the Zero mask and the Nightmare mask. Because they're terrifying. And I'm a terrible person
shadow steppe
For me it’s between the Marx/Drawcia masks
Just because they laugh at you
silk frost
I always use grand doomer ex mask because doomer brainrot
shadow steppe
Wether or not it’s because you fucked up your button press or at other players is up to you
Grand Boomer is decent too
Been using the peakest mask though for the Samurwye Warrior
This boy
ripe mulch
Definitely a good choice
Also, when I'm not trying to terrify nine year olds playing Samurai Kirby 100, I like using Park Staff Waddle Dee as my mask
ripe mulch
I just think it's neat
shadow steppe
I mean yeah cool it’s there but
I’ll take Bandana or Waddle Doo any day really
silk frost
"Beam attack" mfs when they unlock the waddle doo mask
random pine
My two favorite masks for Samurai Kirby 100 are the Zero mask and the Nightmare ...
i use marx soul
i love the cackling
it gives me life
ripe mulch
Yeah they're great
random pine
before i unlocked marx soul i used traitor magolor ex
because the unholy groaning was hilarious
wispy crypt
Marx Soul mask is so fucking funny to me because he could do the evil laugh every time you do something great like complete a level or go back to Magolor with a Part Sphere
thin kindle
Or the sound of Zero's iris breaking free from the rest of the eye <:eye_am_at_m...
Kumazaki: We actually had all the voice lines redone for this game! Allow me to show you one. (Tendon tearing) 
random pine
Marx Soul mask is so fucking funny to me because he could do the evil laugh ever...
finally, someone gets it
wispy crypt
Kumazaki: We actually had all the voice lines redone for this game! Allow me to ...
HDHDJDFJDJFJFJCJDJCJCJCJ
grave pebble
finished main story
how come i dont have the final boss themes in jukebox :(
oh maybe i need to finish 100%
gonna do the few challenge stages i didn't
void blaze
(and also to get jukebox tracks that you'll miss even when you've hit 100%, find all 3 hal rooms in the either main or extra, the 1 hal room in epilogue, and both routes of the miniboss rush in both main and extra - totaling 4 run throughs of that level)
it's kinda annoying lol
grave pebble
what 😭
ive done both normal miniboss rushes at least
the annoying part is the hal rooms bc i like those to just be a surprise i find myself but i'll probaby have to look whatever i miss up :/
extra mode im saving for now, dont feel like immediately replaying
i did the same thing on wii, i might go back to 100% wii too eventually
ripe mulch
100%ing everything can be fun, but if it's not there's no need to go and do it immediately anyway
I feel like stuff like "getting all the jukebox songs" is one of those things they don't actually expect people to sit down and do right away
IE, if you don't have one of the mid boss tower themes, maybe in the future you'll want to replay that level just because it's fun and maybe you'll do the alternate path. Getting the tune just through normal play
grave pebble
unfortunately they didn't count on me being autistic
grave pebble
gonna finish up all i can until i decide to do extra mode
i've already 100% magoland
it's an experience .
..extra mode doesn't have its own challenge rooms does it
inner jetty
it does
grave pebble
😨
grave pebble
ik
elder eagle
terse gazelle
Just complete 'em and call it a day
Wait does the score matter?
Or could I just get a bronze and that’s enough
solar nest
Or could I just get a bronze and that’s enough
score doesnt matter
just get bronze or something
i did that
blissful path
This just blew my mind: Nutty Noon 2's theme starts the same as Planet Robobot's title screen/final boss theme
hushed pine
Yep! We love Sky Tower
inner jetty
i feel like its just a coincidence
mostly from composers reusing musical transitions that feel comfortable to them
heavy vigil
unless it's an obvious use of the motif
that is intentional on the behalf of who composed/arranged it
hushed pine
Planet Robobot was kind of a faster game to produce due to reusing 3DX's engine
I wonder if motif reuse plays into that
Since yknow. Vs Star Dream has a very similar note progression to Spinning Jungle
whole leaf
I am loving this game I just beat the first boss
sacred mango
hi
I tried so hard on Item challenge in main mode that like
in extra mode, I did it first try lol
delicate dew
https://fxtwitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646510368657911809
what did it cost
solar nest
sky ower
winged breach
How the scallop
earnest sphinx
all plats on extra mode challenges
good god, you definitely won kirby
earnest sphinx
friends excited to be going on an adventure :)
elder eagle
The sillies ever
sturdy ore
This is funny
earnest sphinx
the wikirby captions for epilogue pics are surprisingly extra lmao
elder eagle
Halcandle
valid locust
This is funny
"Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation."
earnest sphinx
Halcandle
i love how dees exist on most planets and dimensions
things keep evolving into crabs in our world. things keep evolving into dees in kirby's world
sturdy ore
"Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation."
hjhjfjjghdjjshahah
random pine
i love how dees exist on most planets and dimensions
things keep evolving into c...
dee's nuts lmao gottem
blissful path
Magolor soul is actually one of the easiest fights in the game now
I think I died at least once to every extra boss except whispy, grand doomer, landia, and mags, which barely hit me. You can take one guess what the latter three have in common.
uncut siren
void blaze
Magolor soul is actually one of the easiest fights in the game now
his attacks are nutty but he's very slow at least. lots of time to hit him
ripe mulch
The hardest part is, of course, that you have no time to prepare ahead of time
So maybe it'll make sense to you immediately, but maybe you die to it several times before it clicks
Rainbowing him in the butt repeatedly is satisfying though
solemn sorrel
Even if its easy, the initial spook factor was very cool to see
Unfortunately for TA mago soul, i played unfair magolor
ripe mulch
"Oh no there's more?!"
"Why are there two black holes?!"
I mean, I personally was spoiled on both of those (I'm ok with that) but it's still pretty cool
solemn sorrel
Also imo lor EX goes from easiest boss in the game to one of the harder ones the second you try it in multiplayer
ripe mulch
Oh I bet
There's a lot going on in that fight, but when it's just you you're a small target and there's easy places to sit. But when there's more oof you, oof
You can't all sit in the safe zone simultaneously I imagine
solemn sorrel
Also damage reduction, i died to an attack that i never saw before because i always kill before that in singleplayer
ripe mulch
Ooh, which one
solemn sorrel
Star bullet hell idk what its actually called
Unfortunately theres no slow move button
Smh not a true bullet hell
ripe mulch
Lol
earnest sphinx
I 100% got wrecked by the double black hole because I was being a cringe Stone baby lmao
Fought the rest of the battle flying by the seat of my pants using the Fire ability he dropped during his random enemy attack
ripe mulch
I got sucked into the double black hole the first time and was low enough in health that it killed me. I knew he had the attack, but I over sprinted and couldn't correct in time
solemn sorrel
I enjoy mago soul bc i like seeing stone users suffer 
When their 2 hour true arena time gets taken away because of double black hole (they were on WR pace)
earnest sphinx
Don't worry I've redeemed myself from being a cringe Stone baby
ripe mulch
Stone is a fun one. Honestly I love it
I see nothing wrong with using stone sometimes
Good way to learn patterns
earnest sphinx
Dedede was free as fuck, Bandee was rough but ultimately doable and MK was absolute hell until I discovered his Meta Tornado lmao
Dedede first-try'd it
The other two had
Issues
ripe mulch
RtDL DX having the dodge roll probably saved my runs. A lot of his super attacks I've never figured out how to avoid the way you'd need to in the og. I gave up and a lot of them I just dodge roll through
earnest sphinx
Bandee was just the result of me forgetting it punished corner camping
Meta Knight was just raw pain
regal pulsar
yeah i can tell that upsdie down magosword thing is p fucky on the mind
ripe mulch
(who am I? I'm saying "fun" in reference to an arena)
sturdy ore
Y’know I realized there’s not a lot of gear stuff on Halcandra actually. The only thing I can think of is the energy spheres
earnest sphinx
With Meta Knight I figured out early on that the result of the Sphere Doomers fight would be the determiner of if it was a viable run or not; if I didn't make it out with 50%+ HP I reset
A lot of runs died there before I found out about Mach Tornado
With Bandee, Down+B is your best friend
Dedede... Is Dedede. It's hard to go wrong doing anything with him, but that also doesn't mean you should play more recklessly
somber cape
i kinda wish magolor fought harder during the super ability section
like attack with much stronger and faster attacks
it only ever really felt like that when he shoots giant arrows of orbs at you with the ultra sword
and he doesn't even do that every time you fight him
like imagine if missing hitting a portal with grand hammer actually had big consequences
as in
not send out like 2 orbs to hit kirby
exotic geode
I feel like during these section, you have the upper advantage, not Magolor
It kinda applies to other gimmick boss sections
somber cape
yeah it's still super badass and cool
exotic geode
Like, why doesn't Elfilis try harder to attack you during that Big Rig Section?
somber cape
i just thought it would be even more badass if you got to intervene attacks that would usually be super powerful
exotic geode
It just feels like the final stretch
somber cape
that would also probably make it more fun for the other players who don't get to help
running around to try and get behind p1 so they don't die or smth
terse gazelle
Mecha is just randomly really good at murdering sphere doomers how awesome
blissful path
Does MS always throw a sand enemy at you first? If so, that's a neat touch. Makes sense with how he actually wants Kirby to win.
ripe mulch
If we're talking story/extra, I think he throws whatever ability you had before the super ability part
blissful path
Oh, interesting
Yeah I definitely had sand both times
It wasn't that way in the original was it?
earnest sphinx
It was carried over from the OG, yes
blissful path
I somehow never knew that
ripe mulch
I only know it because I've seen other people talk about it here
blissful path
i just thought it would be even more badass if you got to intervene attacks that...
Sectonia's laser
somber cape
ur right that part where magolor turned into sectonia and used her laser attack and you cut it in half with the ultra sword was sick
random pine
void termina's laser too
coarse blaze
I just discovered Meta Knight still takes damage even after landing a successful counter.
Does anyone know if it's less damage than he would normally take or the same amount?
earnest sphinx
It's reduced to chip damage, yes.
coarse blaze
Gotcha
hushed mica
same as taking chip damage from a guard
terse gazelle
Wow it’s awesome it’s like every change to Extra Mode made it less fun (i am currently having a skill issue)
actually no this just isn’t fun it’s not a skill issue.
Only one stage left though so soon I can play the fun parts of the game
exotic geode
Less healing item and lower health...
Hey, this is the Kirby Hard mode people wanted
ripe mulch
I don't mind stuff like half health and no food when it's a shorter campaign. This is actually technically longer than story mode because of that one boss
brazen laurel
Honestly it being harder is kinda whatever tho it makes things take a bit longer
It sucks because its just the game again
terse gazelle
I don't mind stuff like half health and no food when it's a shorter campaign. Th...
HR-D3
blissful path
HR-D3 was the only boss I died to more than once
ripe mulch
HR-D3 is SO COOL but yeah I died a lot until I learned the pattern
blissful path
I agree that extra mode is pretty redundant in a boring way but I really wish it was just the main campaign
ripe mulch
But my thought was, technically it makes extra mode longer even if you play perfectly. Not by much, but a bit
blissful path
It's easy but not mindless, main mode is turn your brain off easy
ripe mulch
I found extra mode challenging in the annoying kind of way. Like just dying to stupid bs kinda stuff. Story mode is more fun to me, but I'm mostly here to relax
blissful path
It feels like an actual attempt at balance was made tho
I die in extra mode a fair bit because I tend to play kirby berserker style but it's more than made up for by the inundation of 1ups
You literally cannot die in main game except for pits and crush walls
ripe mulch
No I definitely died to story mode bosses too, mostly just from it being so long since I fought them
blissful path
Ig I'm just very used to 2d kirby mechanics
It's been just as long since I fought these particular bosses but they were mindless
terse gazelle
Extra Mode 8-3 Key Section is actually a contender for my least favorite Kirby level ever it’s so unfun I hate key specific enemies
ripe mulch
Which one is that?
terse gazelle
graaah
blissful path
8-3? There's no 8-3
ripe mulch
Probably meant 7?
blissful path
The vertical climb?
terse gazelle
Yeah
blissful path
That's one of the harder spheres
ripe mulch
Oh, where you carry the key up a big area?
terse gazelle
Yeah that one
blissful path
Most of them are almost impossible to miss or give you unlimited tries, theres maybe 10 you can realistically not get the first time
ripe mulch
I'm kinda ok with stuff like the collectables being forgiving. It's probably a hard balance though - too easy and people complain, but too out there and people complain about having to replay levels.
terse gazelle
I think it’s really annoying that you have to do it in one attempt
If the key breaks or you die then one way or another you’ll have to restart the level
blissful path
Yeah, like I'm glad the special portal stages are all easy to find and give you unlimited tries
Some of the puzzle ones could be trickier
ripe mulch
They made a few easier in the remake as well. Guess they decided those spots weren't the fun kind of challenging
blissful path
And then there's the obligatory few fairly challenging ones but like, they're not exactly Darker Side.
I couldn't imagine taking more than two or three tries for any
ripe mulch
Yeah I don't think any of them are supposed to be Dark Matter Trilogy level hard
blissful path
Hard stuff in kirby is just true arenas which is fine
ripe mulch
(still would like to see the return of some of that puzzle chaos for completely optional stuff like a room full of 1ups or something)
blissful path
I almost wish I could go back to the time when true arenas were really hard. It's not as satisfying to beat them in just a few tries. Multiple elfilis glitch fights did that for me and it's probably the most I've ever loved playing Kirby.
I have the Unfair Magolor mod downloaded but I have no idea how to patch it
ripe mulch
Yeah I know nothing about modding these games
I guess if you want pain, you could go and do some of the retro boss rushes. No food. Only the abilities you can scrounge from what bosses throw at you
blissful path
The new magolor soul looks really cool but not very tough, the tough fact of this game is he flies so he gets owned
terse gazelle
Almost died to the line of four random Halcandra Dees at the end of 7-3 I think I would’ve lost all seven of my gamer points
ripe mulch
Most of his challenge comes from being unfamiliar. Which like, fair, can't practice ahead is time
blissful path
Almost died to the line of four random Halcandra Dees at the end of 7-3 I think ...
Someone didn't eat the festival enemy
earnest sphinx
RtDL-DX's TA is also nearly double the size of most TAs too so there's also that to consider
ripe mulch
Yeah it's long af
earnest sphinx
blissful path
Yeah, I haven't quite figured out some of the grounded bosses yet to where I'm not a little worried about the length of it
ripe mulch
I'm kinda pleased, though, that I've finally reached the point where stuff like this is actually kinda fun instead of just making me mad
blissful path
All the aerial bosses just get dunked on hard
ripe mulch
Aerial bosses died to my rainbows. Ground based bosses I mostly just spammed the spit attack from a distance, but also more rainbows when applicable
valid locust
yeah RtDLD's true arena is just brutal
ripe mulch
Soul Melter Ex always feels like it's super long. But I'm terrible at it so
valid locust
it feels weird to me
heavy vigil
when will we surpass this 
ripe mulch
Me too
earnest sphinx
Soul Melter Ex always feels like it's super long. But I'm *terrible* at it so
maybe that's due to void termina alone taking up a third of the runtime lmao
ripe mulch
I guess there weren't that many epilogue bosses. But yeah it's a ton of fights all together
heavy vigil
harder variants + new final boss
blissful path
Well I know I thought RTDL TA was way way easier than SSU back in the day and I hadn't even got gud at kirby yet
So the new stuff will probably be welcome
terse gazelle
The false arena…
ripe mulch
I find RtDL easier to control than SS/U anyway
blissful path
TDX TA took it back up to 11
ripe mulch
TDX TA I cheesed with archer and never went back lol
blissful path
I've always enjoyed playing hammer most until star allies nerfed it and added broken BS like marx
FL restored it to glory
earnest sphinx
forgor to mention this in the post in my screenshot but KPR TA's third-to-last round also had 2 phases lmao
robobot's ta is full of lies
wicked wolf
I 100% expected "the truer arena" instead
SAME
heavy vigil
it's not even an arena
wicked wolf
Like I expected TA to be the same
and that we'd get "Another True Arena" or some shit
heavy vigil
it's not even an arena
it's a boss endurance 
wicked wolf
With it being Epilogue bosses & "Magolor Soul DX"
earnest sphinx
yeah I wasn't expecting them to shove all the Epilogue bosses into TA lol
ripe mulch
I guess they did it because there's only like 7 fights in the epilogue. You might be able to stretch it out with minibosses, but it's still really short
valid locust
KSSU true arena felt harder to be back in the day but that's probably because I did KRtDL true arena multiplayer lol
earnest sphinx
I think my expectation was that the Epilogue bosses would replace their EX counterparts and they'd just stick in Master Crown near the end
heavy vigil
yeah I wasn't expecting them to shove all the Epilogue bosses into TA lol
it makes it more challenging though
blissful path
I'm kinda surprised they didn't just replace extra mode with epilogue given how redundant extra mode actually is compared to more recent kirby postgames
warm sun
I can see why they did it cause we got literally 6 fights there lol
ripe mulch
Well, it's a pretty faithful remake. I don't care for extra mode, but I think they almost had to keep it
blissful path
Can't argue with having 3 questlines tho
heavy vigil
at least sad 
exists now
blissful path
It's definitely one of the more high effort remakes in Nintendo's recent library. They've seemed to be lazier with them of late than like, the GC/Wii era.
ripe mulch
It's like they designed him to be sympathized with lol
earnest sphinx
oh they 100% did
ripe mulch
It's definitely one of the more high effort remakes in Nintendo's recent library...
That's the HAL difference
earnest sphinx
unless that's what you were getting at and the sarcasm went over my head
heavy vigil
It's definitely one of the more high effort remakes in Nintendo's recent library...
HAL is not Nintendo
ripe mulch
unless that's what you were getting at and the sarcasm went over my head
Just an observation really. Not complaining. I love the little guy
blissful path
I usually don't buy nintendo remakes anymore but this one actually has a lot of new content
valid locust
it was not made by nintendo
blissful path
HAL definitely treats Kirby with an extreme amount of respect
It has been a minute since a disappointing kirby game happened
heavy vigil
the only time Nintendo truly ever made a Kirby game was Block Ball 
ripe mulch
I think tilt n tumble probably too
blissful path
Hal didn't do squeak squad right
earnest sphinx
Just an observation really. Not complaining. I love the little guy
this remake handled mags beautifully and boosted him from simply being my favorite kirby character to me having a full-on hyperfixation towards him
valid locust
ah yeah it was nintendo
blissful path
Or epic yarn
valid locust
Hal didn't do squeak squad right
they did
heavy vigil
I think tilt n tumble probably too
no that was HAL
valid locust
squeak squad was HAL and flagship
blissful path
And those are probably the two most disappoingting mainline kirby games, wouldn't you know
valid locust
no that was HAL
no it wasn't
ripe mulch
Flagship is third party but HAL was involved
heavy vigil
no it wasn't
you got me there
valid locust
yeah idk why some people think AM and SqSq were only flagship
actually AM was three companies
and I will be honest
flagship is basically vanpool
blissful path
I definitely saw hal on the startup screen for AM, which I played recently for the first time
valid locust
like it would be odd if we said RtDLD was by vanpool
ripe mulch
Also technically, RtDL DX is HAL and Vanpool so being an extra company in the mix isn't a problem
blissful path
(It's awesome, btw)
heavy vigil
no it wasn't
yeah it was also made by Nintendo
valid locust
yet people like to say SqSq was by flagship for some reason?
ripe mulch
It's because they don't like it and it's easier to blame someone else probably
Also maybe because their name in in the intro rather than in the credits like Vanpool
valid locust
actually HAL had less involvement with AM than SqSq funnily enough
blissful path
I could've swore squeak squad was outsourced to someone bigger like capcom or smth, no idea why I thought that
heavy vigil
you're thinking of Zelda
blissful path
Probably
valid locust
well that's because flagship was bought by capcom or something lol
blissful path
Capcom zelda is pretty faithful imo
valid locust
wait not flagship was part of capcom
blissful path
Am I thinking of canvas curse or is that HAL
valid locust
HAL
again, you are probably thinking of how flagship was a capcom company
(was because flagship is dead rip)
blissful path
Sounds right
wicked wolf
KSSU true arena felt harder to be back in the day but that's probably because I ...
My thing with KSSU & KRTDL TAs is I'm very spoiled with newer controls LOL
Like the Arenas since TDX feel easy to me
because I'm so used to those specific controls lol
ripe mulch
I like both of the games Flagship worked on tbh. It was a weird era, but they're fun
blissful path
KSSU is still actually very tough for me
I could probably pick up and beat any of the others at will by now just bc I've mastered the whole playstyle of modern kirby
With my preferred abilities that is, I wish I was good enough to beat them at will with any/no ability
earnest sphinx
SqSq has a soft spot in my heart for being my first Kirby game
But it's still quite flawed for a Kirby game and I'll fully admit that lmao
i just want a dark nebula remix man 
blissful path
Ha, it was my first also
SSU was my second and the moment I fell in love with the series
earnest sphinx
SAAAAME
blissful path
I find myself wishing other Kirby games had as good a dodge as FL's
It allows me to play that game with a much more balanced style and I'm actually much better at it, while in 2d kirby I tend to berserk rush everything and slowing down feels bad
Maybe I need unfair magolor to teach me about defense
plucky monolith
the only time Nintendo truly ever made a Kirby game was Block Ball <:LMAO:900877...
and Tilt 'n' Tumble
heavy vigil
atomic kindle
i still haven't beaten extra mode since me and my sister got curb stomped by another dimension and the lor 
somber cape
Wow it’s awesome it’s like every change to Extra Mode made it less fun (i am cur...
i like extra mode but i wish they would actually make it "good"
like it's basically the same thing as main
when are we getting a real extra mode with harder enemies and the like
also wow dedede feels SO GOOD to play as i wish he wasn't restricted to the true arena for p1
super dedede jump needs a nerf badly tho ngl
ripe mulch
I issue my own Magoland challenge
bold skiff
https://fxtwitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646510368657911809
Ah, good stuff. ^w^
Do you get anything extra for getting all Platinums? I forgot.
bold skiff
Ah, ok
plucky monolith
https://twitter.com/_ban_da_na_/status/1644986411454693376 god I love all the ways to do puzzles lol
https://twitter.com/_ban_da_na_/status/1644258052919676930
wish someone would compile them all
ripe mulch
Skipping the ones that don't give the sphere brings me pain, but yeah RtDL is honestly great like that
plucky monolith
Squeak Squad has bit of it too iirc
plucky monolith
Squeak Squad has bit of it too iirc
where multiple abilities can be good for a puzzle
ripe mulch
I really love it when the games do that. There's a "correct" solution for them, but so many have a lot of options and I much prefer that for replayability
valid locust
https://twitter.com/_ban_da_na_/status/1644258052919676930
wish someone would co...
#BANDEESWEEP
pearl fjord
He could in SA
void blaze
what's the condition for it even
pearl fjord
You jump when using Ground Thrust
pearl fjord
Wait actually was it in SA or was it only in KF2
It was definitely at least in KF2 lol
void blaze
This whole time I could have been gallivanting around with the vault
I really thought FL just made it up lol
ripe mulch
I didn't know it was a move either, but then it's been a really long time since I did the Bandee guest star and I never get to be player 2
honest yarrow
Wait actually was it in SA or was it only in KF2
added in SA 4.0.0
pearl fjord
Well yea Ground Thrust wasn't there before 4.0.0
honest yarrow
pole vault isn't really useful in RtDLDX because moon drop has no i-frames tho
silk frost
Ground thrust is insane
Very good against whispy because you can hit him with both the thrust and the swing at the end
And both do a lot of damage
And also the move covers an insane amount of ground
sacred fog
I had the best experience last weekend
I had yet to complete The True Arena, and one of my old friends came to visit
The two of us used to play the original RtDL all the time, grinding out Arena runs like nobody's business
So naturally, when we had met for the first time in several years, I decided I would play RtDLDX with him, like the old days
Lo and behold, we managed to (barely) finish The True Arena after three attempts
and I got Kirby Master that night
Tornado abuse was how I ultimately survived to deal damage, while he primarily went with Bomb
wispy crypt
That was an awesome reunion too
grave pebble
finished magolor epilogue
i like the upgrade system
also what does the game consider 100% for it
inner jetty
you don't need to get platinum (though you do need to get gold on prior ones to unlock the last stage, but that stage doesn't require any specific rank on itself)
you don't need to powerup the skills either
grave pebble
weird
i think i did miss something though
the sprout icon on my save is only silver
sturdy ore
You did the secret stage right
sturdy ore
Godspeed
grave pebble
i did get gold or platinum on the majority anyway
should be an easy cleanup
really liked magolor epilogue btw
silk frost
Magolor Epilogue is peak
grave pebble
i like kirby
sturdy ore
Forgo Dreams and Magolor Epilogue fighting over which is the best post-game
heavy vigil
Forgo Dreams and Magolor Epilogue fighting over which is the best post-game
also got to bring in HIAD too
it was the one that started this trend
grave pebble
done 🫡
wispy crypt
You know what I just realized is missed opportunity
We could've gotten the elemental variant midbosses from Super Kirby Clash in Epilogue
Bonkers becomes Spark Bonkers
Gigant Edge becomes Ignite Edge
Kibble Blade becomes Frost Kibble Blade
That could fit further into the elemental theming of the various dimensions
For the other midbosses, here's what I'd propose:
- Dubior -> Sub Dubior (Custom, this is a submarine-themed Dubior. Gives Water when swallowed.)
- King Doo -> SparKing Doo (Custom, this is a souped-up King Doo with electric powers. Gives Spark when swallowed.)
- Moundo -> Moundo Berg (Custom, this is an ice Moundo. Gives Ice when swallowed.)
- Water Galboros -> becomes Flame Galboros from Kirby: Triple Deluxe
And then Kumazaki will figure out the lore from there to explain where the Clash elemental enemies came from
true heath
Bonkers becomes Spark Bonkers
Gigant Edge becomes Ignite Edge
Kibble Blade becom...
probably the main reason why they didnt do it is because the eventual clash twist would become too obvious
heavy vigil
I agree with this
if they did that there would then be no surprise factor when they do reveal it at the very end
which tbh
is one of the best credits sequences
in this series
true heath
im glad that with forgotten land and epilogue we start to get credits that are not just "oh look at these characters going through the levels!!!!"
like dont get me wrong that was a cute tradition but i much prefer when they use it to flesh out the story further
heavy vigil
true!
especially that in FL
you don't even get the final piece to the story until you complete it's hardest challenge
then the story could finally end
it just keeps going and going
true heath
yes and i love it so much for this 😭 like
everything feels worthwhile, it doesn't feel like post-game content exist only for the sake of existing
you keep unraveling loose ends until you get a satisfying conclusion in the ultimate cup z
heavy vigil
btw again
it's so interesting
to see Kumazaki's idea finally come to light
because the Epilogue was at least in his mind since 2017 or heck even before that interview/TKCD
heavy vigil
good old miiverse
still interesting none the less
I wonder what he's been also planning in mind
again
Kumazaki was the guy who came up with the Soul tradition
and that started in 2005 and maybe even more far back then that
so who knows except him
true heath
he might tell us far into the future when he no longer works on the series lol
true heath
tbh im glad i cant really read kuma
like i cant predict what his direction is. how much plans out and how much he makes up as he goes
it works out together pretty seamlessly that i would be willing to believe either way
heavy vigil
imagine what the next big lore thing is whether that be in the next game or in some interview/etc
because this remake just gave us some more juicy stuff to take in
which wasn't apart of the original
and that game basically started this lore train that we've all been riding on so far
regal pulsar
tbh im glad i cant really read kuma
i can tell what kind of shit my favorite people are thinking but i cant tell exactly what they are thinking, so the shit they pull still surprise me
regal pulsar
i can tell what kind of shit my favorite people are thinking but i cant tell exa...
(i say that because i most likely think the same stuff too)
heavy vigil
which wasn't apart of the original
again just look at the new "information" that we currently have about Egg Engines
pearl fjord
We have new info about egg engines?
heavy vigil
I mean as in pause screen stuff/yes the whole background from the final fight of the epilogue
pearl fjord
Ah true
heavy vigil
that's still new right?
heavy vigil
Egg Engines always had the city in the background
literally the first background that we see of it
(now speculative territory)
i'm thinking that it may have been the original home/capital city of Halcandra
before something happened that caused the city to become Egg Engines
as we see it slowly be destroyed in the final fight
I mean Halcandra was where the ancients used to live
so that was basically their old home
true heath
Broken!
tbh it always looked to me more broken and abandoned than just wacky fantasy architecture
i think that bg egg engines cameo in the first stage of dangerous dinner sells this idea to me
heavy vigil
i think that bg egg engines cameo in the first stage of dangerous dinner sells t...
???
wait Klu can you show me what you mean by
true heath
lessee if i took a screenshot of that area
heavy vigil
I don't remember Dangerous Dinner having that
heavy vigil
oh that!
true heath
this is actually even more similar to what master crown shows before the fight
probably implies that where dangerous dinner currently stands there was more of "egg engines" and egg engines themselves is a little bit of civilization that somewhat survived
heavy vigil
btw did you ever notice that in the background of the hub
true heath
i dont think
heavy vigil
you can see traces of that background floating about (final fight one)
I mean in the Epilogue
not in main
heavy vigil
probably implies that where dangerous dinner currently stands there was more of ...
you know if you think about it
Dangerous Dinner has mining like qualities to it
so maybe the ancients got some of their material from Dangerous Dinner or something?
they probably would have already
I mean it's the place where their technology/relics still exist until started stealing them for himself
and those were guarded by Landia...
does Landia know something that we don't know?
potentially knowing about what happened to make Halcandra the way it is now
oh and what about Metal General?
nocturne elk
Who even made him
heavy vigil
we now know that the robot had a master so...
and that it would visit other planets to get rid of the master's enemies
but now served as a security robot
which is you know
when the HWC would base their security forces models off of
also Metal was the reason why the machinery/AI was still going throughout Egg Engines
heavy vigil
and that it would visit other planets to get rid of the master's enemies
what does this mean though?
If the master were part of the ancients then what enemies would they have had?
silk frost
The magical ancients
ripe mulch
Since I see "the ancients" as many groups, not just one, there could easily be people from Halcandra and people from other places who fought but would both still be considered ancient
void blaze
Today we reminisce on our memories in this channel
February that was a fun time right
rugged slate
Rip
rugged slate
February that was a fun time right
The best time was when the website dropped
And when we discovered WHAT ADELEINE2 WAS SUPPOSED TO MEAJ
void blaze
Turns out all along... it was just Adeleine 2!
flat hinge
the real adeleine 2 was the friends we made along the way
solid estuary
was it just focused adeleine
void blaze
yeah lol
wispy crypt
HAL could've done something more creative with those masks
Like, imagine Ado mask
Or Elfilis mask (kinda unlikely due to spoilers...?)
true heath
still kinda glad ado mask didnt happen because we dont need anymore adeleine vs ado arguments than we already get
ripe mulch
They did say they focused on what would be easy to make. Adeleine and focused Adeleine were both simple because she already exists as a model. DL3 style Ado doesn't have a model so they'd have to make that from scratch
warm sun
I kinda wish the second Adeleine mask had a different hairstyle like Ribbon and Susie
rugged slate
still kinda glad ado mask didnt happen because we dont need anymore adeleine vs ...
If they called it like, adeleine(dl3) there would be no debates
void blaze
They'd probably call it Ado since that's what she was referred to as in that game anyway (regardless of if she's the same person)
thin kindle
still kinda glad ado mask didnt happen because we dont need anymore adeleine vs ...
Who cares ado would have been peak smh
Those arguments should have ended when we got Ado's Painter there is no hope regardless lmao
thin kindle
They did say they focused on what would be easy to make. Adeleine and focused Ad...
Looks at the marx soul in the corner
thin kindle
I kinda wish the second Adeleine mask had a different hairstyle like Ribbon and ...
I wanna know so bad what they were cooking giving Ribbon and Susie new designs do not give me false hope of them doing things in the future
wild frost
If you real listen closely, Susie is singing in the Blue Blizzard Remix
ripe mulch
Looks at the marx soul in the corner
I did say mostly lol
Marx Soul is so iconic that it was more worth it
valid locust
ANOTHER DOMINATION IS SO GOOD
sacred mango
Gigi is now #1 Hazemoto fan
hybrid zodiac
I can't unhear the doomer sounds from Another Domination
Thought it was part of the song itself
thin kindle
Grand Doomer ate in this remake
Doomers period
Level 8 Enemies got used in platformer levels, quad Doomer fight, CROWNED DOOMER RAAAAH, Another Domination, localized Doomer enemy names, lore about them having a stronger form in the past 😋 mmm mmm mmm scrumptious
Love doomers
wicked wolf
I wish Doomers appeared in HiAD
hybrid zodiac
Star Allies wasn't that guy
The disrespect shown to the doomers truly destroyed all respect I had towards it
tawdry stream
I wish Doomers appeared in HiAD
i wish doomers appeared in rtdl
wicked wolf
i wish doomers appeared in rtdl
lol
nocturne oar
Rip
hybrid zodiac
When is the channel getting nuked
pearl fjord
It's in announcements
sturdy ore
Three hours remain 
hybrid zodiac
Kirby Slide better +mid game + ratio
earnest sphinx
sacred mango
I want to say that Magolor is the best egg
alpine gust
damn
warm sun
God Epilogue is so much fun
glad notch
before the channel closes i should probably say that i finally beat the true arena no abilities/guarding
somber cape
but did you use souvenirs
glad notch
nope
glad notch
hardest part was definitely learning rampaging doomers. such a long battle
silk frost
Level 8 Enemies got used in platformer levels, quad Doomer fight, CROWNED DOOMER...
Don't forget the fact that they look so much better than in the original
somber cape
i still dislike doomer fights 
rampaging doomer + crowned doomer are peak but the rest erm erm uhm uhh
glad notch
for some reason i almost always take damage during the sphere doomers part where you fight two at once
somber cape
also can i just say it was a missed opportunity to make super bonkers stronger than normal bonkers
he literally has the grand hammer why are they the same
glad notch
should have given him the magolor soul attack
mint notch
I usually end up taking more damage from dual minibosses than I do most of the actual main bosses
glad notch
but instead of icicles falling, it's massive coconuts
mint notch
Bonkers + king dooter my beloathed
somber cape
speaking of grand hammer it's lame how magolor decides to give you one for free
solar nest
but instead of icicles falling, it's massive coconuts
big nut
somber cape
where's my magolor ex + super bonkers ex tag team
magolor ex is too easy anyways he could use the help
solar nest
super bonkers soul
glad notch
bonkers soul gets a second grand hammer
and the coconuts act as the giant gem apple bombs in the master crown fight
winged breach
speaking of grand hammer it's lame how magolor decides to give you one for free
I know it is not indicated or implied in game at all, but in the novel it is said that the reason Magolor gives Super Ability enemies/items is actually due to the Lor intervening with his portals and I like that a lot
somber cape
i love it sm
glad notch
what if instead of combining ice and hammer, he had his own snow bowl attack?
somber cape
I know it is not indicated or implied in game at all, but in the novel it is sai...
oh that's super cool
glad notch
that's a really interesting explanation
warm sun
void blaze
what if instead of combining ice and hammer, he had his own snow bowl attack?
flare beam is kinda similar to it as well
or his usage of it
silk frost
Fatty puffer roll attack.
void blaze
might be the reason they combined it into grand hammer - felt too redundant mechanically since he does the rolling around thing with flare beam
But that's just a theory. A g
silk frost
A Matthew "Game Theory" Patrick
scarlet sierra
https://vxtwitter.com/tumbleruff/status/1647022497018290176?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiu...
Trolled!
winged breach
Sheld’s Special Attack
warm sun
Time for Epilogue’s final boss again
blissful path
This TA is definitely pretty tough just bc there's so dang much of it and not all of it is aerial
I actually don't feel like Sand is that great against ground. It completely trivializes anything that flies.
Some of the larger ones like HR-D3 mostly qualify as well
But like, puffers and minibosses are pretty annoying with it
void blaze
against fast enemies it might be a pain but if they're a little slower the fist does well
blissful path
Fist is like hammer without the insane iframes of hammer, very close range
But you have to bring sand bc it obliterates all doomers, landia, mags
void blaze
best to hit it with a little gap between you and the opponent so that the shockwave hits (does 20% more damage)
and ofc you get more leeway to dodge
tho the spacing can be tricky
glad notch
maybe i should trying playing the TA with sand to see just how much easier it makes it compared to trying it without an ability
blissful path
I'm already getting close on first couple runs tho so it won't be too bad
What should I try after? Probably hammer? It doesn't seem as outclassed as it is in SA
glad notch
good luck
blissful path
Like, it's literally the same ability but this game doesn't have Marx so
glad notch
could always try a funny one like high jump
glad notch
i believe so
warm sun
I just remembered this channel was supposed to go boom
glad notch
thanks for creating this channel!
warm sun
Oh one last post https://youtu.be/F2PrHAZ6_Nc
void blaze
adios muchachos...
warm sun
I guess we can put a lid on this can
glad notch
bye bye! was fun being here
ripe mulch
Forever my favorite. Glad he got a spotlight
warm sun
Me silently waiting for the channel to explode
Oh yeah the hype for this game was great lol
I appreciate this game not getting leaked because nobody cared since it was a remake but still
glad notch
it was fun seeing all the small ways it differed from the original
earnest sphinx
https://vxtwitter.com/tumbleruff/status/1647022497018290176?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiu...
lmao me and my brother got wrecked on this level too
warm sun
Damn lmao
glad notch
rip
earnest sphinx
I had a misinput, I was trying to charge my sphere LOL
ripe mulch
Ouch
For your brother's sake you can guard+x to teleport to p1, but that doesn't help p1 at all lol
earnest sphinx
why is it that during story mode he accidentally got me killed twice and got away with it
but when i accidentally got him killed in eggilogue i got instant karma'd
somber cape
For your brother's sake you can guard+x to teleport to p1, but that doesn't help...
i will never tell my friends this
warm sun
Man seeing this anniversary end hurts lol
glad notch
hey, there will always be more kirby to enjoy
sturdy ore
Goodbye RTDL DX thread
somber cape
guys in this thread's final moments what's your favorite boss in rtdx
sturdy ore
Master Crown probably
glad notch
i like galacta knight. such a fun inclusion in the true arena
ripe mulch
Man seeing this anniversary end hurts lol
If there be a drought coming, we just need to fill out with our own fan art and fan games and write silly stories, and make other cool stuff
earnest sphinx
definitely not rampaging doomers I'll tell you that much
somber cape
WHAT rampaging doomers is so good
silk frost
guys in this thread's final moments what's your favorite boss in rtdx
Rampaging doomers (definitely no bias)
glad notch
i also like the magolor and lor fight. i always enjoy the fights with different control schemes
warm sun
guys in this thread's final moments what's your favorite boss in rtdx
True Magolor Soul
glad notch
after i learned rampaging doomers, they actually became super fun to fight
somber cape
Master Crown probably
really? master crown kind of felt off bc of how low the difficulty was
silk frost
Rampaging doomers are so cool
earnest sphinx
WHAT rampaging doomers is so good
Lack of contrast means I can barely see their trails
glad notch
it's so chaotic that it feels good avoiding all their attacks
somber cape
True Magolor Soul
SAME! 🔥
glad notch
they really didn't need to buff him for the true arena, but i love that they did anyway
silk frost
Rampaging doomers. Great example of multiple things working together to kick your butt in a boss fight
somber cape
honestly the true arena needed it
for how long it was it would be a bummer if the end was just nerfed magolor soul
earnest sphinx
they really didn't need to buff him for the true arena, but i love that they did...
nah he needed the buff, he was a fairly anticlimactic end to the OG TA because he was just his extra mode self except easier bc more max hp
somber cape
this however.... was perfection
somber cape
nah he needed the buff, he was a fairly anticlimactic end to the OG TA because h...
^^ my thoughts exactly
glad notch
i used to always get caught out by that move where they dash on the ground, then try and catch you in the air if you fly over them too high
ripe mulch
guys in this thread's final moments what's your favorite boss in rtdx
Visually the tree is the best
Playing the probably have the most fun with Mr Dooter lol
silk frost
TA mags soul goes so hard
earnest sphinx
but deciding to buff both the difficulty AND the tragedy is such a HAL thing to do
warm sun
RtDX TA having the most bosses is the funniest thing ever
silk frost
RTDX is a contender for best kirby game
silk frost
also WHAT IS THIS ATTACK GRAHHHHHHHHHH
Why does he use the crown's rune
ripe mulch
I don't think I've ever beenhit by that one 😅
glad notch
i like how they got rid of the cheese in the true arena fight. in the original it was far too easy to jump camp in the corner
somber cape
SAME
the fact that it poses ZERO threat has always annoyed me so much
why didn't magolor ex fix it or smth
earnest sphinx
Why does he use the crown's rune
because he's overdosing on the crown's power during the EX fight which bites him in the ass hard after he takes an ultra sword to the head
limpid harbor
3 nanometer wide hit box
ripe mulch
It's visually impressive and sometimes that's the point
somber cape
like who is going to jump into the air during it and get hit
in rodl he aims it and it's actually really good in that mod
silk frost
because he's overdosing on the crown's power during the EX fight which bites him...
Everything else uses mag's rune though
somber cape
they could at least make him shoot the corners here or something
silk frost
Besides that attack, the crown's rune doesn't appear until phase 2
glad notch
i think i got hit by the move a couple times where he fired almost all of them on the ground
valid locust
this thread will be closed
glad notch
bye!
valid locust
feel free to talk about the game in #kirby-kingdom