Return to Dream Land Deluxe

[shadow steppe]

Truly, one of the return to dreamland deluxes ever

[wispy crypt]

Does anyone have all the RtDL DX fonts

[sacred mango]

Yesterday I played with my mom to beat Magolor

I was the bandana boy

[wispy crypt]

Amazing

[sacred mango]

Her excuse to finish the game: "dad will steal the Switch in May"

(as in my father and therefore her husband lol)

[solar nest]

damn whys yo dad gon steal the swtich next month

[terse gazelle]

He Took Magolor In The Divorce

[solar nest]

no egg

[sacred mango]

guess what game comes out next month

[rugged slate]

Zelda?

[sacred mango]

yeah

basically me and dad will have to fight on who gets to play the game lol

[terse gazelle]

Lemme Correct Myself

He Took Link In The Divorce

[solar nest]

he took link and magolor in the divorce

[terse gazelle]

High Stakes Rock Paper Scissors Chess

[solar nest]

high stakes rock paper scissors chess thumb fight

and you do all of them within 40 minutes

[warm sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/tumbleruff/status/1645837715399925760?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg

[valid locust]

lol

[slate drift]

[pearl fjord]

Ayo the funny tayori from the final mag soul desc

[odd rampart]

considering that he hates Kirby's face for being blank

i wonder if Magolor saying he's grateful is also a lie

[earnest sphinx]

In the TA Mag Soul description he seems moreso pissed that Kirby didn't give him any kind of reaction in the betrayal cutscene

[wicked wolf]

Well he also mentions in the last Magolor Soul description how he's tired of always relying on Kirby lol

[serene creek]

oh hey, chilly's attack actually has a hitbox

did it have a hitbox in the original?

[earnest sphinx]

well he does think kirby's kind of an idiot and his own life's currently on the line so that's not a good combo LOL

[serene creek]

i know it has nothing in ultra

[earnest sphinx]

kirby's lucky he's a loveable idiot

[odd rampart]

why would ultra's buggy quirk stick on the new engine for RtDL and also the remake of said game 10 years after its release

[pearl fjord]

🤨

Me when hayaku aitsu o yattsukete jumpscare

Now that I think about it it feels like somebody's told me this before

[wicked wolf]

Magolor narrated the last Void Termina Story Mode pause screen NO WAY

[pearl fjord]

SO TRUE

[wicked wolf]

Magolor would write the new book mentioned in SMEX

[plucky monolith]

obviously he narrates it because he is Void

[thin kindle]

SMEX be like "will the new book be about a destroyer or an ally?!?!?! " when the destroyer was already born

[plucky monolith]

well that is in 1st Core phase

the actual Final Core form, or well Void here, is not born yet

[thin kindle]

Still can't believe they messed up the last line of the final pause screen literally how how how

"Dream of friends reunited" it's supposed to be making friends how on earth did this happen

[pearl fjord]

Honestly what were they cooking thinking the description meant void was reuniting with old friends rather than just
making new friends

[thin kindle]

Man rereading that they removed so much stuff from that last description

[earnest sphinx]

sa localization moment

[thin kindle]

All the cool stuff about the spring breeze and a distant paradise gone with the wind

Gone with the spring breeze even

[earnest sphinx]

it's honestly baffling how much they rewrote the story

[odd rampart]

what desc

[thin kindle]

The final battle at hand, Void takes his first steps toward a new age. In place of tyrannical rage, will he find...naptime? Gentle breezes? Treats? He may even dream again…
A dream of friends reunited!

[exotic geode]

VS Nil
Finishing this fight… Surpassing those stars… Nil slowly steps into the next era. Even he who knows naught but how to ravage, eventually, whilst enveloped in a gentle spring breeze, will alight upon the distant paradise, with an understanding of the heart.

There, he’ll fly freely. He’ll even have a meal. He’ll even take a nap. He may even have that dream he had long ago. Yes……
That dream of meeting a friend!

[thin kindle]

Mobile discord was beating my ass

From the funny faye void doc

WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED I didn't register how much got dumpstered before lmao

[pearl fjord]

Half the description in the trash

[grave pebble]

kirby fun

[hybrid zodiac]

Kirby's my fish

[zealous cedar]

I just launched the game and Kirby is blue for some reason?

[atomic kindle]

he is ill you have to delete your data in order to fix him

[hybrid zodiac]

Brooen cooy

[regal pulsar]

"Mr. Kirby, KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM!!! KILL HIM NOW"

[hybrid zodiac]

What is this lol

[regal pulsar]

the inner thoughts of kirby

[ivory knot]

I miss the little animation from ninja dojo

Where the main 4 where dressed as ninjas doing stuff in a temple

[ivory knot]

The ending is Kirby killed him right?

[exotic geode]

pretty much

[random pine]

leading to darth kirb

[void blaze]

ain't it weird that there's been a longer gap between rtdl and rtdldx than there was between KA and nidl

I like random thoughts like that

[solar nest]

[inner jetty]

well, the technological growth in terms of gaming generations has kinda slowed down considerably compared to years ago

[void blaze]

oh for sure yeah

[inner jetty]

instead of going from 8-bit to 16-bit to 32-bit and so on, there's been a lot of diminishing returns on how much better games can look now

[void blaze]

we've sort of hit a plateau. well most of the gaming industry has - Nintendo consoles still have a lot of room to improve

[solar nest]

yea i mean

kirby has only gotten his first 3D game, while others already have

[exotic geode]

me shuddering to think of a 'Realistic' Kirby game

[solar nest]

and games like GoW have insane graphics lmao

[void blaze]

oh kirby himself is doing fine - I'm glad hal took their time to make it good

[regal pulsar]

no fuckin way guys gaming is advancing

kirby and the forgotten land first 3d game ever

[solar nest]

yea thats what matters lmao

[exotic geode]

I honestly like 2D Kirby

[void blaze]

tho I love jabbing at the Nintendo hardware these games are locked to lol

[solar nest]

blowout blast

[void blaze]

Erm ackshually tilt and tumble

[brazen laurel]

ermm kirby had a bit of a rough transition to 3d...

[exotic geode]

I hope Kirby doesn't jump into the Open World Craze atm

[void blaze]

real

[limpid harbor]

they're HAL they probably wont

[inner jetty]

nintendo does go more slowly than other companies but that's partially because of price points

[brazen laurel]

i wouldnt mind it too much cuz i have faith in HAL
but yeah it probably will not happen

[limpid harbor]

literally just released their first 3D game

[inner jetty]

actuallly probably entirely because of price points

[warm sun]

Get ready for Kirby New Frontiers…

[brazen laurel]

honestly id just love another fl like game

[void blaze]

I honestly can't predict what hal is gonna do. open world isn't impossible for them but I certainly don't anticipate it either. regardless of what they do though, I'm excited to see it. when they announce a game it means they're confident they got a good game going lol

[exotic geode]

Copy Ability Durability!?

[brazen laurel]

theres things to expand upon easily

[inner jetty]

they don't have to invest in pushing technological boundaries and they can manufacture this stuff after it becomes way cheaper to

[solar nest]

i will sometimes assume that theres another universe where kirby becomes 5d

[exotic geode]

HAL Makes the first 4D Game

[void blaze]

so even if they Did do open world, I wouldn't be scared cuz they'd do it right. but I don't think we'd see it any time soon haha

[brazen laurel]

yeah this

[inner jetty]

i'd expect the next new mainline game to be 3D but also still just expand on what FL did

[exotic geode]

I can't wait for HAL to make a 4D game

[limpid harbor]

im expecting at least 3 normal 3D games before they pull anything crazy

[solar nest]

i was supposed to say GoW finishers but i realised those were just the quick time events lmao

[exotic geode]

HAL jumps straight into 4D Kirby game

[grave pebble]

physical copies come with a scratch and sniff

[brazen laurel]

fl but with a new locale, better bosses overall and new abilities
seems good to me

[limpid harbor]

next mainline's gonna go hard

[exotic geode]

can't wait for 3D Beam

[limpid harbor]

watch it be better than FL

[void blaze]

I def can see them expanding on fl. like tdx and prb - more exploration of the concepts established initially

[grave pebble]

im a 2D kirby preferer so far

FL didnt hit the same for me

[solar nest]

what would be the most possible remake after rtdl?

[solemn sorrel]

Next mainline games gonna have kirby on it

[limpid harbor]

yeah it'll probably be like tdx and pr

[void blaze]

(though disclaimer I am Not stating an opinion on whether I prefer prb or tdx lol)

[exotic geode]

Watch the next game be way better than FL and actually have a variety in Copy Ability

[grave pebble]

remaster the 3DS games please

please

[brazen laurel]

please dont

[limpid harbor]

2030

[exotic geode]

watch 14 years from now, we get Kirby Remembers the Forgotten Land

[inner jetty]

id not expect remakes for a long time

[solemn sorrel]

Prob 3ds dual pack if i had to guess fueas

[solar nest]

watch the next game have doctor

down b for hit netflix show

[exotic geode]

Doctor Kirby in 3D!?

[solar nest]

yes

[solemn sorrel]

Doctor kirby fire potion being similar to pyribbits fire fountain attack

But its aoe

[grave pebble]

kirby right back at ya video game adaptation

getting wendys do any of u want anything

[solar nest]

chicken

and a dairy queen

[brazen laurel]

like, i didnt like fl as much as the 3DS games for sure
but thats because those had like over a decade of refinement

im sure 3D will get there in not too long

[grave pebble]

i like the chili

[limpid harbor]

HAL always one ups themselves so the next game is probably gonna be really good

[grave pebble]

i want 3DS remasters but i'd hope they're less full price

i'll 100% both of them again

[warm sun]

I can wait a few more years until we get another remake lol

For now I’d rather them focus on something new obviously

[limpid harbor]

yeah

[inner jetty]

i don't think they'd remake anything any time soon even if they were outsourced

[exotic geode]

Team Kirby Clash Deluxe Remake:

[inner jetty]

like i don't think we'd see another remake even 8 years from now

[exotic geode]

Team Kirby Clash Remake:

[thin kindle]

For SMEX (where this description is from) the ending is that Void becomes something that sparkles and rides the spring breeze to a distant paradise (totally not referring to anything to anyone in particular)

[inner jetty]

SKC is not a remake

[exotic geode]

No, I'm saying they remake the original Team Kirby Clash, but make it a paid game with no microtransaction and with new contents

[inner jetty]

that's not even a remake???

[exotic geode]

Ok... They should

[thin kindle]

They shouldn't do a remake they should just do a new game that's actually good

SKC might as well be a remake cause it's mostly content from deluxe lmao

[solar nest]

what would the new, supposedly 3d kirby be about

or something

[thin kindle]

Kirby lore

[solar nest]

i mean

[limpid harbor]

give me pirate kirby game

[solar nest]

arrr

[limpid harbor]

or dreamland in 3D

[warm sun]

I’d like to see it take place on Pop Star

Yeah

[solar nest]

yooooo same

[solar nest]

this can happen

[exotic geode]

imagine a kirby game that is 75% Water Levels

[limpid harbor]

the backgrounds of RtDX make wanna just run into the background ahh

[void blaze]

so long as they Advance the water controls like starfy

[solar nest]

i want a kirby game where you can play as the lor starcutter

[limpid harbor]

yeah

everyone asking for a new starfy game and its actually just a kirby game

[void blaze]

it would maybe look a little funky but magolor should have a mini lor as his vehicle in air ride 2

[solar nest]

epic troll!1!1!1

[exotic geode]

you can now suck up enemies under water and use abilities underwater, but that's a part of the game's main gimmick...

[solar nest]

ride air

[void blaze]

we could do it in the dark matter trilogy so Hey it'd work

the underwater ability thing anyway

tho it had some restrictions

[solar nest]

waer

water gun was the only way kine had a use

(rtdldx)

i think he might be decent in SA but im not sure

[void blaze]

kine was pretty useful in dl3 tbh. Slippy and fast. but dl2 he has that nasty spark ability that is just busted. a shame it got nerfed

[solar nest]

got nerfed so hard as the consoles advanced

[void blaze]

snes could not handle the bulbs

[solar nest]

fr

[earnest sphinx]

true arena as meta knight is kicking my fuckin ass

[solar nest]

truth be told

[void blaze]

yeah it's rough tbh

shuttle loop is hard to be Optimal with, and if you're going for counters then you give yourself a lot less leeway to take actual damage

[earnest sphinx]

my last run was unfortunate

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/864244983762649140/1095488020666400858/2023041118202900-130BADDB3C2A1143C1AD942289F3D62D.jpg

Also it's apparently fucking impossible for me to not lose half my health at the Sphere Doomers (not Rampaging Doomers, Sphere Doomers)

[pearl fjord]

You have no idea how long I sat there trying to figure out what was the apropriate equivalent way to translate this line into English

[earnest sphinx]

God damn, he had it out for Landia

[pearl fjord]

I had it as like 'beat the hell out of that guy until he's a bloody wreck' for a bit

Funny コッテンパンの ボッコボコ

[solar nest]

whenever i play mk on the arena and ta i try to get in a lot of charged attacks lmao

[earnest sphinx]

Yeah I mix in a healthy dose of Meta Spin Slashes

[solar nest]

of course i fail in ta but i did it in normal arena

[void blaze]

i only learned what black and blue meant from that one pokemon peta game

[earnest sphinx]

The fucking Sphere Doomers make me want to throw my Switch out the window

[pearl fjord]

Pro tip: Just kill them before they kill you

[earnest sphinx]

The only bosses I can seem to reliably no-hit are Whispy, Metal General and Landia

[plucky monolith]

oh, he uses ボッコボコ in three different lines of his Epilogue dialogue too

[pearl fjord]

Yea he also used it in that tweet about King Doo

And about the shopkeeper beam mage outfit for an SKC tweet I think

[plucky monolith]

he really likes beating people up huh

[pearl fjord]

Oh wait for this I'm thinking of the コッテンパン part

[plucky monolith]

slowly becoming more and more vicious lmao

[earnest sphinx]

violent little egg

[plucky monolith]

he used コッテンパンのボッコボコ in SKC Tweet too apparently https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1173793836717338624

星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP)

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[pearl fjord]

Yea this is the one I meant here

[plucky monolith]

ah

[pearl fjord]

"Here is my outfit now you can beat the shit out of people with it" -69% accurate translation of what magolor says

My impression from looking this up was that this is a decently popular line of his in the Jp fandom but I'm not sure

[earnest sphinx]

I've discovered the Magical Bullshit that is Mach Tornado
I am doing SO MUCH BETTER after finding out about its existence and how to use it

[hushed mica]

dumb that they named mk's version of twister slash that since they dont feel like adding the boss version in his moveset

[sturdy ore]

“That’s it? That’s Mach Tornado? That was just Twister Slash!” - Patchy the Pirate

[earnest sphinx]

Mach Tornado made ALLLLL the difference

[solar nest]

use i frames

[solar nest]

lets goooo

[fiery veldt]

And that's the reason why Tornado is broken in The (True) Arena, and thus I banned it.

[solar nest]

yes

lmao i used tornado for my first clear

[fiery veldt]

Imma be honest I was so used to Tornado not having I-Frames but apparently it does for True Arena.

[solar nest]

king dedede obroken

i think

up b

hehehe haw

[fiery veldt]

I spammed Super Dedede Jump and it worked somehow

[solar nest]

i used up b

[fiery veldt]

So yeah I-Frames on that move is perfectly balanced

Also wahr is Dedede up B, as in Smash Bros or nor?

[solar nest]

naw

like his charge up b

[fiery veldt]

OH hammer flip, Im dum.

[solar nest]

nah i just forget move names lmaooo

[fiery veldt]

I haven't cleared True Arena with Mech yet.

[solar nest]

yea same

im planning to do it with sand

i've tried but i havent been able to do it yet

[vale quail]

Spoiler but I ran it through Dream by Wumbo so that way anyone who hasn’t played the game doesn’t know but the people who have played it does.

I’m sure everyone knows by now but I just wanted to do this

[solar nest]

ae

[odd rampart]

wtf does this mean

[limpid harbor]

you know: I wumbo, you wumbo, he she we wumbo, wumbo, wumboing.

[hidden dock]

is that master crown

[odd rampart]

oh its ai generated

laaame

[solar nest]

lmao i used a random ai art generator and put magolor

[odd rampart]

sigh

[grave pebble]

did rtdl dx do anything with the music?

[odd rampart]

its basically touched up but virtually the same exact tracks

[grave pebble]

i just saw "crowned (remastered)" in my youtube recommendations i was like huh

oh ok so literally remastered

[odd rampart]

like they definitely touched the tracks and its audible

but like

its also built off of the original files they did from 2011

[grave pebble]

usually "remastered" with video game music means like. rerecorded entirely lol

words mean nothing .

i wonder why they bothered though the mixing was already fine

[sturdy ore]

It cool

Also CROWNED’s intro is so CLEAN now

Also Welcome Your New Overlord’s electric guitar

[hidden dock]

that choir goes like AAAAA AAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA

[sturdy ore]

They’re so fresh now

I remember thinking “Dayum CROWNED’s choir is fuckin epic now”

[hidden dock]

so it would be more like AAAAA AAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA

[sturdy ore]

Exactly

[fiery veldt]

wot

[solar nest]

idk

[fiery veldt]

Bangin'

[uncut flume]

You know Meta Knight has this cheese strat he can do

Chain shuttle loop jump cancel into it again and again and again

Infinite i-frames

If you do it perfectly there's no risk

A fully invincible constant attack

[void blaze]

I suck at timing it

I can do one shuttle loop but that many in a row is haaaard lol

[uncut flume]

You can sit in a bosses hurtbox and it tears them a part

[jolly stream]

The entire Return to Dreamland Deluxe intro, but it's Blue Kirby.

[regal pulsar]

i thought its just gonna be the black screen

[random pine]

oh my goodness gracious

[uncut flume]

It only works because the invincibility doesn't end when you cancel it

It lingers for a bit

When you're attacking a boss with it though there's big hit lag which may throw off the timing a bit

But nevertheless it's still really broken

[regal pulsar]

gamer

[uncut flume]

Definitely the strongest character in the game

[regal pulsar]

as if the counter wasnt enough

[uncut flume]

Galactic Counter where applicable is still stronger than this but it's not useful in a no damage run

Against most boss attacks you will still take a little bit of chip damage since it's considered to be like you guarded an attack

I can't remember if that's also how it worked in Star Allies

[inner jetty]

it gave invincibility in SA

so its basically nerfed

[uncut flume]

Yeah they knew they gave it too much sauce

[pearl fjord]

Unfortunately nothing that good

Just like, slapped some filters on it

I heard someone mention its probably ‘upgraded’ from the original 32kHz files too rather than pulling out some higher quality master and working from that
I will choose to do no research or confirmation that that person knew what they were talking about and take it as gospel
Which, if true, bruh moment

[uncut flume]

Someone did complete a run using only the counter

https://youtu.be/qiXsy4lFdi4

[inner jetty]

there was this HAL Blog post that said that what they did is that they had Vanpool's sound designers just add instruments like drums to the original track and then HAL's music team would modify it further for certain tracks

https://www.hallab.co.jp/blog/detail/4704/

machine translation but this gets the gist

[pearl fjord]

Conceptually I hate it but I haven’t noticed a song where I particularly cared about the adjustments they made besides Landia

[solar nest]

damn

insane speed

[grave pebble]

forgot to send after i did it https://twitter.com/marcievania/status/1645686648351625222?s=20

[inner jetty]

personally i'm a purist so i'm ok with how the original tracks sound without remastering

its not like they did any remastering for any of the other reused tracks in this game

[solar nest]

holy shit dude!

poggers

[grave pebble]

im gamer

[grave pebble]

wait how extensively did they remaster these? i figured it'd just be slightly different mixing

[inner jetty]

its just more instruments added + choir added

[grave pebble]

so they actually do alter some songs

interesting

[inner jetty]

ehhh

its altered yes

just not

[sturdy ore]

Intensely

[inner jetty]

that much

[grave pebble]

im glad it's generally more restrained than xenoblade though bc if it was like DE's music and didn't have an original option that could be a dealbreaker for me

[grave pebble]

i feel like new instruments and a choir r pretty big changes

[inner jetty]

well its just background additions

the original song is still the same

[grave pebble]

btw whats the thing i gotta type in the bot channel for image perms

[inner jetty]

they might lengthen an intro but i don't think i've noticed much of a difference

[grave pebble]

that is a pretty big change in music

[inner jetty]

its still much the same song

[sturdy ore]

Well if they did rearrange the tracks like Xenoblade DE they probably would have that choice

[grave pebble]

yeah

i do not care for xb1 arranged music

a lot of it is so. "what if we took this song and made it less fitting. and made the mixing bad"

like why

[sturdy ore]

Tbf The God Slaying Sword doesn’t sound monotone anymore

[grave pebble]

not every song is worse

tbh i find the mixing in both versions of god-slaying sword kinda bad

song manages to sound hollow no matter what

[sturdy ore]

I disagree and think it’s one of the best tracks in the game but back to Kirby

[grave pebble]

oh i generally like the song just its mixing is iffy

i think my fav kirby track is moonstruck blossom. generic pick

[sturdy ore]

Isn’t the only track that adds a background choir The Supreme Ruler’s Coronation

[pearl fjord]

I feel like I don’t see enough Moonstruck Blossom love these days

[grave pebble]

crazy

[pearl fjord]

Triple Deluxe is getting too old, fandom needs to be reminded

[grave pebble]

we need 3DS remasters

please .

[inner jetty]

it is my favorite final boss theme for how emotional it feels

[grave pebble]

yeah same

[pearl fjord]

I just absolutely adore the album arrangement midnight moonlight

[grave pebble]

send

[pearl fjord]

https://youtu.be/-Gqi7y_r444

[grave pebble]

will listen 🫡

[grave pebble]

also while ur here how do i do this

[inner jetty]

man i really hoped they would include the album arrangements from the Kirby Wii Music Selection in this game

as bonus tracks in the jukebox

but oh well

[pearl fjord]

Type !embed in #bot-commanding-banter

[grave pebble]

ty

[pearl fjord]

Have you heard The Honey is Sweet, The Blooms Pretty too

[sturdy ore]

Violins and cellos my beloved

[grave pebble]

didnt work for some reason

midnight moonlight is nice

[pearl fjord]

Oh huh, maybe its !embeds

[grave pebble]

that was it

ty

[pearl fjord]

Also wow there is not a single upload of this on yt

[grave pebble]

whats it from? i dont see it on the album either

[mortal coral]

Guys I have a question thats been bothering me since I was a kid

[grave pebble]

also wtf theres a princess pink role..

[mortal coral]

What the hell happened to red Kirby?

[pearl fjord]

The Honey is Sweet, the Blooms Pretty is from The Sound of Kirby Cafe

[sturdy ore]

Car accident

[pearl fjord]

Ah thatms my personal role

[grave pebble]

gonna need to declare war. sorry oomf

[pearl fjord]

https://soundcloud.com/user-382497127/08-the-honey-is-sweet-and-the?in=katakiri/sets/the-sound-of-kirby-cafe&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

Ok heres a soundcloud upload

[earnest sphinx]

Pretty much all of the Kirby Cafe tracks have been scrubbed from YT

[pearl fjord]

This and midnight moonlight are peak for me
Like eternal dream is whatever in comparison for me

[earnest sphinx]

Literally the only one I've found was The King and Witch's Rendezvous

[grave pebble]

i see "the honey is sweet, and the blooming is lovely" on the ost

is that the same song?

[pearl fjord]

Yea just different translation of the title

Funny word

[grave pebble]

im both 🥰

[pearl fjord]

Based !

[grave pebble]

im so moe

i wonder if the 3DS games would get new content too if remastered

i would be satisfied with touched-up graphics and B/Y controls

[pearl fjord]

Same

[grave pebble]

just hopefully not full price lol

[pearl fjord]

At least for PR, I dunno how well it’d work for 3DX since it’s a lot more dependent on textures (that are low quality) than models like PR is

[grave pebble]

eh

prime remastered was pretty extensive

i could see a similar thing happening for tdx in that case

ig the 3DS screen is good at hiding that though, i didn't really notice

[pearl fjord]

Yea 3DS screen is 240p so not really noticeable even when you’re looking for it

[royal gulch]

May be really ambitious, but it would be neat if Robobot and TDX got remade into a 2-in-1 game

[pearl fjord]

Even still 3DX holds up well upscaled to HD

https://youtu.be/783cI0ch42M

But god PR frankly looks better than SA in most aspects when upscaled to HD

https://youtu.be/d1arreGGEYs

[sturdy ore]

Mfw they combine the True Arenas

[grave pebble]

i think a remaster would def do more than better textures still

i wonder what the lighting for the sectonia fight would be like

[pearl fjord]

Ohh true having night lighting in sectonia’s foght would be interedting

[grave pebble]

now imagine it in 30fps with depth of field blur

[royal gulch]

Robobot REALLY needs that lore rewrite

[grave pebble]

rewrite?

idk why any kind of rerelease for a modern game would go that far

[royal gulch]

Robobot really needs to have its lore be in the actual game and not in a defunct social media interview

Triple Deluxe to some extent

[grave pebble]

huh

i felt prb was perfectly understandable from the game alone

what am i missing from interviews

[royal gulch]

Gimme a sec.

[mint ruin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741843949676789823/1095572620675661874/2023041200444800-130BADDB3C2A1143C1AD942289F3D62D.mp4

This run was WAY too close

[pearl fjord]

This would be kino I’m sure

[royal gulch]

• (Prior to Robobot) Sectonia's true form
• Why the dimensional Mirror was in Dededetour
• Susie's true motives
• Haltmann's memory loss, and the apparent cause of it
• Metaknight apparently not expecting Kirby to copy the halberd
• Mech armor is apparently a clone of yourself?
• Nonsensical explanations to things that aren't implied at all

[pearl fjord]

Honestly it’s insane how much health you can gouge out of him when he uses his laser attack

[pearl fjord]

That’s the way the games are built, there’s plot and then there’s lore
The plot of the game is simple and feels complete but the full story is mostly only lore and some of it isn’t in the game at all

[grave pebble]

every kirby game should be like this

[grave pebble]

i feel like most of this was at least implied ingame and the rest just... doesn't matter?

[pearl fjord]

For Robobot I’m of that opinion too

[grave pebble]

i feel like the fault here is saying these things in interviews at all

complicating something that didn't need to be

[pearl fjord]

I think 3DX not having the whole part where Taranza got the mirror for Sectonia which then corrupted her sucks

[grave pebble]

wait was that not explained in tdx anywhere

[royal gulch]

NOPE

[pearl fjord]

Nope

[grave pebble]

ok that kinda sucks

[pearl fjord]

The mirror is just randomly in her room and she just became vane one day with no given explanation

[royal gulch]

The mirror was just in the castle, no allusion to it.

Not even Dark Metaknight's pause text explains anything about that

[ripe mulch]

I was watching a stream of someone playing in Magoland. They got the old friend mask and were like "that's cute" meanwhile the chat is having a meltdown of course. Someone was like "that won't make sense until you play TDX" and like no, no it will not. At all. Lol

[royal gulch]

I was there

Ok it wasn't live but you know

[mint ruin]

Yeah. Honestly no ability might be the best way to play

[ripe mulch]

It's just, stuff like that barely makes sense even if you've played all the games. It's kinda crazy. Crazier for everyone to expect people to just know this stuff

[royal gulch]

Sectonia's whole backstory is exclusively found on a social media interview

[pearl fjord]

I mean I don’t see how the Old Friend mask is problematic, it’s like how people say ‘oh man you can’t enjoy PR if you don’t remember what Galactic Nova looks like’ or ‘you can’t enjoy SA if you don’t know what Dark Matter is’

Except it matters even less

[ripe mulch]

No, I don't think the mask is a problem at all

I think people claiming it'll make sense later is a bit of a problem maybe, but mostly just funny

[royal gulch]

At the very least, the core elements of Haltmann's backstory can be found ingame. The stuff in the interview is further elaboration

[mint ruin]

The masks are just fan service for long time fans, and fun cosmetic items for newcomers

[pearl fjord]

The biggest loss is that the game never tells you Haltmann enjoys high class chicken

[mint ruin]

Simple as that

[royal gulch]

"He'll figure it out"

Yeah, play triple deluxe, then beat the clone on Robobot, then read an interview

[ripe mulch]

I think the way HAL handles the relatively unimportant background stuff, like Sectonia's backstory, is fine. And yeah I do think it's pretty unimportant. But the fanbase does like to act like it's all common knowledge. No, some of us are just crazy

[pearl fjord]

Actually is there any indication in PR that Susie likes ice cream besides there being an ice cream world

[royal gulch]

no

[honest yarrow]

on the official website iirc

[royal gulch]

The only interest she has is profits... and knights

OUT OF GAME LORE BEGONE

[mint ruin]

This is why Magolor Soul should actually have 10X the health he has now

[pearl fjord]

[pearl fjord]

I wish the English game kept the trait of her name being like
Secretary Susie and not just Susie

But well character limits ack

[mint ruin]

New update introduces third phase to Magolor Soul fight that’s a giant orb with completely new attacks 💀

[sturdy ore]

Wait people think that’s a problem

[mint ruin]

This is why I should never be a Kirby developer 😭

[royal gulch]

And 64 balls

[royal gulch]

No?

[pearl fjord]

Honestly would’ve been cooler if they removed the horns from the model instead of just Magolor’s eyes

They could’ve done it just as easily

But I guess the horns are the part of the design the crown is wrapped around so maybe they wanted to keep that

[royal gulch]

Man I can't believe I predicted this 2 years ago

Literally fighting the ||Master Crown||

[silk frost]

mfs will manipulate and betray others in order to get an artifact that grants its user limitless power just to use it to shoot fragile magic balls in extremely predictable patterns

[random pine]

that aint even magolor anymore lmaooo

[royal gulch]

At the very least I predicted Magolor fighting the crown itself

[pearl fjord]

Virgin Magolor and Hyness with destroyable orbs vs Chad Sectonia and Taranza with indestructible orbs

[honest yarrow]

• Magolor drops a lot of orbs at the beginning of the story battle
• never uses it again

[pearl fjord]

TRUE

Why can’t he do that again

It’s like how SKC turned Nightmare’s cutscene vs the warp star into an attack

Would’ve been peak if he could now do that in his fight

[silk frost]

Crowned doomer did something like it
Why not mags

[honest yarrow]

Crowned Doomer's shower is funny because you can still destroy them

[grave pebble]

huh

i really prefer the remastered version of dreaming of clouds

much better bass

im usually really pedantic about mixing differences but no this is an upgrade

[random pine]

he forgor

(land)

[grave pebble]

sandy wilds is also an improvement

ig theyre just not giving me anything to complain about

snowball scuffle too

damn it's rly just. better across the board

i dont find the wii music lacking but if dx gets an ost release it's what i'll be listening to from now on

ok the mid-boss tower theme is a little worse. ig there's one where i prefer the original

i'll stop rambling now 👍

[sturdy ore]

I’m thinking of the time me and my friends were at the mid-boss tower and we destroyed them all with that big puff attack

[grave pebble]

i accidentally found the harder route

[sturdy ore]

Water Galboros watching a giant puff of air fire at his face at 200 mph:

[solar nest]

water galboros when he sees a sand castle (its ground type vs water type, he thinks he's gonna win):

[terse gazelle]

Galboros is great

[honest yarrow]

normal Arena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNoccJOHQOs

[plucky monolith]

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4047336653 preview images for guidebook are up

remember someone asking about Point Star names before, the red Point Stars are called レッドポイントスター ('Red Point Star')

[plucky monolith]

Time before opponent attacks, good to know

[valid locust]

wait why are the character names writing in hiragana and not katakana?

[plucky monolith]

that's how they're written in Samurai Kirby iirc

[regal pulsar]

weird

[warm sun]

Crushed

[plucky monolith]

also in original Samurai Kirby

[silk frost]

Blazing! Boss Battle's second half goes hard

[valid locust]

interesting

[sacred mango]

that would kind of make sense to make the names more traditional

I'll be honest seeing Bandee with flowers makes me happy

[delicate dew]

doesn't carry over to languages outside japanese though

there's not really a way to make something like that in english

[regal pulsar]

the font helps at least

[thin kindle]

Write them in British

[earnest sphinx]

bri'ish?!

[delicate dew]

me'a knight

[odd rampart]

write them in The Great Ace Attorney localization

[sacred mango]

like most of the song names

when there's 2 or 3 meanings in them

[inner jetty]

and that's when they aren't intentionally butchering them

there's no excuse for just removing "Four-Headed" from "Four-Headed Guardian Angel: Landia"

[terse gazelle]

Yeah it should just be Four-Headed Landia

[wispy crypt]

Ehhh... that's technically correct I guess?

[sacred mango]

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646193838674022400

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

i went through hell #Kirby #KirbysReturntoDreamLandDeluxe #NintendoSwitch

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 4:49 PM

People who knows, can recognize what I did

[regal pulsar]

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[sacred mango]

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646194566503055373

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

Gold Sound Test is the sign of a true completion to me.
That said... I have some platinums to do, and a character to level up...

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 4:52 PM

[earnest sphinx]

I maxed out Mags and all plat'd his stages... but you can't pay me to plat the Challenge stages.

[sacred mango]

I will plat everything

[inner jetty]

Platinuming Magolor's stages is surprisingly, really easy

the hardest stages are the bosses but they're still nowhere close to the challenge stages

[heavy vigil]

yeah

they are way easier

especially the chase levels/stages

guarantee you can get platinum easy on those levels/stages

[inner jetty]

i kept on screwing up the sections where you have to protect a jar of magic points and i still got platinum

[royal gulch]

Ok fool, now get 999,999 magoc points

/j

NOW DO THE 999 COMBO
/j

[wild frost]

I feel like they missed the opportunity to use Clash's Arena remix in the True Arena

[silk vapor]

When are we gonna get magolor prologue

[sacred mango]

remember when Magolor tried to beat Landia and lost?

[brazen laurel]

lmfao

thats the whole magolor prologue

u travel to halcandra and then try to fight landia but u literally cant win

and then it ends

[exotic geode]

I mean... looking at the epilogue

[midnight heart]

it's the Lor battle but in reverse

you're the Lor and Landia is the boss

[dense iron]

Ermmmmmmm do it 3 times ermmm

[silk frost]

And landia is spamming fully charged shots

[sacred mango]

no

[true heath]

i might do it two other times.........

without magoland extra missions

[sacred mango]

I won't

I will do platinums and Magolor max level

and I will do that only once

[true heath]

lol if theres one thing i will NEVER do is platinums

i dont feel any satisfaction from attempting to get them in RTDL's challenge stages

should've added extra clear screen if you did all platinums in the remake or something

[sacred mango]

I did it for Dream Collection

...there's no reason I can't do it for RTDL

[true heath]

dream collection ones are different

they are fun

rtdl's are not particularly

[sacred mango]

I will still do it for RTDL lol

[true heath]

good luck o7

[sacred mango]

also I did kinda cheat for the extra missions

Kirby on the Draw

CPUs are just straight up unfair

so I left to only one CPU

and as much as I like difficulty

[earnest sphinx]

based as hell
that mission is pure evil

[sacred mango]

I also want a fair match

like

even Checkerboard Chase I did the stuff with 3 CPUs

because I felt I could do that

[true heath]

lol i cheated in a lot of magoland missions

[earnest sphinx]

NOTHING will convince me the AIs don't cheat on Tome Trackers or Kirby on the Draw

[true heath]

its ok magolor deserves to be cheated on 🫡

[thin kindle]

Smh my h

[sacred mango]

Tome Trackers I expected the hell so I left to only one CPU

[thin kindle]

I'm gamer and didn't cheat for any of them 😤

[true heath]

magoland will forever made me hate green kirby in particular

green kirby the bastard

[thin kindle]

Tome trackers isn't that bad tbh

[earnest sphinx]

The 800 points mission was literally the only one I cheated on because I was losing my sanity after 2 hours of flailing around on it trying every control scheme under the sun

[sacred mango]

for Samurai Kirby I felt it was a requirement that I should play it undocked

else the timing is fucked

[earnest sphinx]

input delay goes brrrr

[thin kindle]

I did Kirby on the draw with buttons cause I didnt know touch existed

[sacred mango]

I didn't actually do touch

i did with gyro

(I forgot touch was a thing)

[thin kindle]

Samurai Kirby was TERRIBLE

[earnest sphinx]

I did touch
It didn't help at all

[wicked wolf]

I like how Kirby on the Draw has touch

but not the menus

I don't like that actually

I hate that

[thin kindle]

It wasn't until I played with my family that I realized the issue was that pro controller just has fucking input delay LMFAO

[sacred mango]

anyway

I did it

and now

[earnest sphinx]

The Switch in general has input delay in docked mode that fucked me and my brother over a few times when we played together but made it way easier when I was playing on my own (I mostly play handheld)

We only have joycons

[thin kindle]

Yeah when I was playing with my sister who had never fucking played before I was consistently losing samurai Kirby to her on sideways joycon

[sacred mango]

there's the input delay for the controllers but I think it's not a huge thing

[thin kindle]

She is NOT a gamer

[sacred mango]

the real delay is on the screen

my TV does not have a game mode.

[earnest sphinx]

I looked like a madwoman telling my brother I was actually cracked at Bomb Rally and Crackity Hack when I was consistently eating shit in both minigames against him

[true heath]

I HATE THIS SO MUCH

IF THEY WENT THROUGH TROUBLE OF ADDING TOUCH SUPPORT... WHY CANT I PRESS PRETTY BUTTONS IN THE MENU

[wicked wolf]

imagine if you could do taunts by touching the characters LMAO

or like

add and remove masks with touch control

that'd be funny

[true heath]

itd be so cool lol

[earnest sphinx]

i was honestly impressed touch controls were a thing at any point tbh. damn near everyone forgets the switch has a touchscreen thanks to the existence of docked mode

[true heath]

actually imagine if the game had mario 3d world thing where you could legit interact with the characters via touch controls

i want to pet them all.

[thin kindle]

Thanks to no stylus

I had to buy one for Mario Maker 2 thanks nintendo

I'm not going to play fucking Mario Maker with no stylus and DEFINITELY not buttons what do you take me for

[ripe mulch]

I think this is why I'm glad I went with a computer monitor instead of a TV. I made the choice because it was on sale but it's probably helped a ton irt delay

[wicked wolf]

Switch 2

better be peak

and make touch controls a bit more prominent

a bit

[ripe mulch]

I still joke about an optional switch peripheral that acts like a WiiU pad so you can have touch stuff when docked

[earnest sphinx]

tbh I'd buy that. The gamepad was actually pretty comfortable to hold imo

[dense iron]

I'm doing that

Its so fun!!!!

(I am lying I am a liar)

[midnight heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eSe5WEdIqo

look at this gorgeous video thumbnail

oh its actually an animation

[brazen laurel]

omg lmao

amazing

SBVSVSBC OH NO CVBXX

[midnight heart]

it exploded haha

[brazen laurel]

DAAA DADADA DA DA DA DAAA DAA DA DAAA

[wicked wolf]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/1646241794982567938

Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica)

There’s a total of 86 Dress-up masks to collect in #Kirby’s Return to Dream Land Deluxe! Which one is your favorite?

Likes

697

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 8:00 PM

lmfao

they're posting these now lol

[valid locust]

WHAT

[exotic geode]

god the ending...

[flat hinge]

lol

[exotic geode]

pictures taken before a disaster

[void blaze]

Nago

[sacred mango]

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646259106913882112

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

The bosses are the hardest to platinum, actually #Kirby #KirbysReturntoDreamLandDeluxe #NintendoSwitch

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 9:08 PM

Just did it

https://twitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646259397935648768

Yakumono (@LuigiBlood)

egg mage is now powerful #Kirby #KirbysReturntoDreamLandDeluxe #NintendoSwitch

Twitter · Apr 12, 2023, 9:10 PM

And I beat the crown again, just for good measure

damn it I should have just written

"egg is now full of yolk"

[warm sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/tumbleruff/status/1646261337750749185?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg

[exotic geode]

does it count?

[valid locust]

yes

[void blaze]

i think i've gotten the damageless achievement with this happening (since it won't register you took damage)

[valid locust]

that's how I got one of mine lol

[inner jetty]

it's also possible to tie I think

[grave pebble]

i cheese it by taking a corner and just continuously destroying the two adjacent lanes

let everyone else deal with each other

[sacred mango]

https://fxtwitter.com/LuigiBlood/status/1646265127539453952

wanyas

[void blaze]

real - works very well

[earnest sphinx]

i am forever thankful to battle royale for giving waddle dees voices

[uncut siren]

Forgo Dedede mask on Dedede or DMK mask on MK

[round orbit]

wanyaaa

[warm sun]

https://vxtwitter.com/tumbleruff/status/1646269432266899456?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg

[whole leaf]

Look what I just got

[warm sun]

Nicee

[whole leaf]

It’s my first playthrough of RTDL

Already loving the art style

[earnest sphinx]

Have fun

[whole leaf]

How do I get this?

[warped whale]

can you share the entire screen

like, a picture of the entire thing

i think you need either sword or cutter

maybe its sword beam? idk if that one goes through walls

[exotic geode]

use sword

Sword beam ye

[exotic geode]

Basically, you are supposed to suck up the mid boss from before

[whole leaf]

Oh

[exotic geode]

You fought Gigant Edge, right?

[whole leaf]

So I have to restart then to get that

[exotic geode]

You can also connect player 2 controller

and use meta knight

That works as well

[exotic geode]

Meta Knight Works as well I think

so just disconnect a joycon and summon meta Knight

[whole leaf]

Tysm

[void blaze]

oh btw as a general rule of thumb, 9 times out of 10 if there's a midboss, you're meant to inhale it and use its ability for a puzzle

[hushed pine]

The tenth time is amazing mirror

[void blaze]

Ackshually amazing mirror also has a couple "use the midboss ability" sections

[hushed pine]

But like

In RtDL, 3DX, PR and FL it's 100% of the time

So the tenth time is amazing mirror

[void blaze]

erm names random game that serves as an exception

[hushed pine]

Amazing Mirror perhaps?

[flat hinge]

what about adventure and super star and

actually that’s about it

[hushed pine]

Super Star doesn't have any useful abilities ever

[flat hinge]

super star has one useful ability and it’s hammer

[grave pebble]

@whole leaf rule of thumb i learned the hard way on first playthrough, always eat the miniboss

[ripe mulch]

I'm cool now

Water for the win

[grave pebble]

does dx have any new hal rooms? i've found two, one of which i already found on wii

[plucky monolith]

well, RTDL is more like 95%

idk about the others

[valid locust]

only one new one

[grave pebble]

is it the one in ||cookie country||

||the two i found were that and the egg engines one||

[hushed pine]

Nope

There's one in ||Dangerous Dinner|| now

(Level name, not stage number)

[grave pebble]

we'll see if i find it

how many were in the original game? three?

[hushed pine]

Just the two

And it's the two you've found

This is a spoiler for the third one's location, but ||it's cute how on top of the "go backwards through the level" and "find the secret area" HAL rooms, they added a "wait 86 seconds" HAL room to follow the pattern they've set||

[solar nest]

hal

[grave pebble]

oh shit i've found both original ones then

hoping i find the new one

not clicking

i don't like knowing, i kinda wish i didn't even know the world :p

[void blaze]

ayy congrats

trying to think of a water pun but I'm a bit washed up

[ripe mulch]

Lol

[sturdy pine]

Hey guys

So i completed the main story, what should i play next? The epilogue? True arena or hard story?

[ripe mulch]

You won't have True Arena yet

Just regular

[sturdy pine]

Like what am i supposed to do after story

[sturdy pine]

Yeah meant that soz

[ripe mulch]

My personal order was regular arena, epilogue, then extra mode. But it's up to you really. They're all good

[midnight heart]

Extra mode is literally just the main mode again

but like, harder I guess

[ripe mulch]

Depends on how much you want to play the main story again right away tbh

[sturdy pine]

I would like to have some kind of continuity

[midnight heart]

I guess they do kind of expect you to play Extra Mode before the Epilogue? in a way? but its only for a minor detail in epilogue's first cutscene and isn't relevant for anything else

[ripe mulch]

Story mode and extra mode are effectively the same story. Just an extra boss, unrelated to the story, and a harder final form of Magolor.

Epilogue continues right after that battle, whether story or not, so it's really up to personal preference

[void blaze]

I think I did extra -> arena -> epilogue

[ripe mulch]

I did epilogue first because I couldn't stand the idea of immediately playing extra mode lol

But I did stick the regular arena in first just because the bosses were fresh in my mind

[limpid harbor]

i was planning to do main story ex mode then epilogue but i couldnt hold back

[ripe mulch]

Yeah that too. I wanted to be free of the spoiler avoiding curse

And the epilogue was the only spoilers I cared about

So I did it ASAP

[limpid harbor]

yeah

[ripe mulch]

Then I could talk to people again lol

[sturdy pine]

I want to do epilogue tbh

[hushed pine]

If I replayed the game I would definitely go story -> arena -> epilogue -> Magoland -> extra -> true arena

1. all masks in Extra is more fun
2. keeps the most distance between very similar campaigns

[ripe mulch]

I sprinkled Magoland throughout, because it's a really great break when you're starting to get frustrated lol

But yeah, swapping masks in Extra mode is fun

I enjoyed fighting the bosses with their story mode faces on, taunting them with it

[hushed pine]

So true

Although I did it to be friendly

Hiiiiii

I am you

[limpid harbor]

imagine getting killed by a guy wearing your face

[hushed pine]

I'd be thankful

[ripe mulch]

Meanwhile I did the entire true arena in a Gooey mask and it's a little disappointing the results screen doesn't show it lol

[hushed pine]

Surrounded by hot people

Good way to go

[brazen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-spy-x-family-spy-bruh-bruh-moment-gif-25527210

[solar nest]

i think there are 4 hal rooms including ME

idk

[hushed pine]

Ah including ME yeah

But I was talking campaign

[ripe mulch]

ME one is the only I don't know where is. Which is fine. I'll poke around for suspicious stuff later when I'm in the mood

[unkempt nimbus]

I dread thinking what it would be like if robobot got the deluxe treatment and the new bosses were added to TA

Return Deluxe is already considered the most grueling of the true arenas

[royal gulch]

Robobot is gonna be a whole new game if it gets the chance to be remade

[unkempt nimbus]

and I think it has less bosses, if slightly

[ripe mulch]

Maybe they'd be merciful and do like Star Allies and just add a third difficulty to the arena

[hushed pine]

Honestly i somewhat disagree

But from a specific angle

[royal gulch]

Considering that it was, from what I've heard, kinda rushed

[hushed pine]

Triple Deluxe is far more likely to be fundamentally overhauled

To make Hypernova fresh

[brazen laurel]

or theyll just also make it faster lol

[hushed pine]

Lol

Doesn't fix every problem with the ability but it would help

[brazen laurel]

hypernova is more varied gameplaywise than super abilities are anyways so

[ripe mulch]

The RtDL DX true arena is long, but as someone not super skilled at boss rush stuff, it never once felt impossible. Tricky. Needing practice. But never impossible, which is more than I could say for how I felt about soul melter ex for the last five years anyway

[hushed pine]

That's half the problem

Hypernova sections are long and intricate which makes them harder to replay as a result

[brazen laurel]

fair i suppose

[royal gulch]

Souvenirs

[hushed pine]

Problem is the wrong word for that

It makes it harder to alter

[ripe mulch]

I feel like if TDX or PR got a deluxe version, they wouldn't change the gimmick sections much. Just like the super abilities barely got touched here.

[hushed pine]

You can't just increase Hypernova inhale strafe speed because it breaks puzzles

Or you can, and change a bunch of puzzles

I'd be down frankly

That sounds very fun

[ripe mulch]

Although if they remade robobot and made the armor faster, I might enjoy it more

[flat hinge]

hypernova is the worst modern gimmick

[hushed pine]

WRONG

[flat hinge]

which doesn’t mean it’s bad

[hushed pine]

SO WRONG

friend bridge is the worst

[flat hinge]

it’s just

OK you got me there

[hushed pine]

If you're counting all friend abilities as one.

I would still count it as the worst

Even though Friend Star solos every other

[royal gulch]

The funny puzzle where you have to filter out the monkey from the waddle dees

[flat hinge]

erm, friend train

[royal gulch]

Friend Train?

[hushed pine]

Friend Train is peak fiction garbage gameplay

[royal gulch]

More like

Snore mimimimimimimi

[hushed pine]

Friend Plain

[ripe mulch]

Friend train makes all the Waddle Dees have the shiny eyes. 10/10

[royal gulch]

It only gets engaging in HIAD

[brazen laurel]

friend train gives daroach panic attacks, 0/10

[royal gulch]

Otherwise I legit fall asleep in these sections

[void blaze]

friend wheel escape sequence death compilation #37

[sturdy ore]

Friend Train haters when I hit them with an actual train

[limpid harbor]

friend atomic bomb

[ripe mulch]

Friend train is still better than Epic Yarn train

[royal gulch]

Whoever decided that friend trains should be a thing in chapter 1,3, and 5 in guest star should work on a train and see how fun THAT is

[ripe mulch]

(I actually don't mind either, but I definitely know which one I groan over more)

[wispy crypt]

I remember when someone at SDGQ fucked up their Star Allies run because of that Friend Circle section in Jambandra Base

[void blaze]

also after replaying a couple friend star levels I gotta say YEAH WTF this is so fun why didn't they do more with this. like Void yes but gimme a full game like this idk lmao

[wispy crypt]

HAL at least don't handle Friend Circle like it's Geometry Dash next time

[void blaze]

lmaoo

[brazen laurel]

epic yarn train is a lot more hands-on

[royal gulch]

I don't want a schmup with gravity

[unkempt nimbus]

I can kinda agree, while it is better than super abilities since it is a consistent mechanic rather than the variable experiences of SAs, I feel like it doesn't have enough omph

[royal gulch]

WHO GIVES A FLYING MACHINE GRAVITY

[wispy crypt]

Booming Blasters

[unkempt nimbus]

thought it says something it is the only gimmick not referenced by a wave 3 dream friend

[brazen laurel]

friend star is ok

[unkempt nimbus]

as Taranza does nothing to reference it

not even using miracle fruits

[royal gulch]

Other than the final boss fight, what is the point of walking as the friend star?

[brazen laurel]

its like the robobot schmup thing but a bit worse

[royal gulch]

Why do you keep falling down as the friend star?!

[void blaze]

think it's legit just bc the final boss fight lol

[royal gulch]

why is guarding even a thing, it KILLS you

EXPLAIN YOURSELF HALBERT

[wispy crypt]

Friend Star has... gravity? Wtf

Never noticed that

[ripe mulch]

What happens when you guard?

[void blaze]

it does if you idle

[wispy crypt]

Well that's fucked

[royal gulch]

You "block"... and just drop down

The final boss fight replaces it with a dodge but that's still stupid how guard works normally

[void blaze]

void itself is just such a cool fight

like it blows the rest of the game out of the water

[ripe mulch]

I was definitely in awe the first time I played

[royal gulch]

When robobot is remade they BETTER let us toggle an auto-shoot for the final fight

[ripe mulch]

Arguably I can say that about FL and Magolor Epilogue too though

[royal gulch]

I'm pretty sure holding attack for 5 minutes isn't good for your fingers

[void blaze]

yeah I guess there's never rly a reason not to shoot

or hold down the button anyway

[hushed mica]

eh, its no different than holding a to move in mario kart

[royal gulch]

What would be even better is if they completely skip over the final boss' shooting phases in the arena

[royal gulch]

Mario Kart now has auto drive

[void blaze]

star dream star fox section is fun

[hushed mica]

unless you guys are smashing the button down with the force to crack a wallnut, there really shouldn't be any pain with holding down the shoot button

[ripe mulch]

I didn't really like fighting Star Dream in story mode. It was so hard to tell where I was aiming and how far stuff was from me. Probably easier in actual 3d though

[royal gulch]

The fight plays the same every time

The most predictable fight in all of modern kirby

[void blaze]

my thumb hurt when playing 3d land doing the long jumps so I kinda get it tbh lol. sometimes certain models of the ds or hand sizes or hand posture can fuck you up

[ripe mulch]

Sure
But that requires playing it more than like twice

[royal gulch]

(Me playing the true arena dozens of times)

[flat hinge]

@hushed pine Look at this image and call friend train bad

[void blaze]

I'm fine with star dream having a consistent pattern

[flat hinge]

Argument destroyed

[ripe mulch]

I tend to death grip my controllers and handhelds and not notice until it starts to cramp 😂 It's not on purpose. It just happens when I'm focusing

[void blaze]

makes it easier to learn

[solar nest]

friend train is S tier

you become thomas the tank engine

[ripe mulch]

Sparkly shiny Waddle Dee eyes

[solar nest]

yes

[ripe mulch]

Uh uh, RtDL is fun

[valid locust]

sorry I made this in 1 minute

[royal gulch]

Silence Gigi, I'm praising how returns to dreamland doesn't force a brand new mechanic for the final boss fight

[ripe mulch]

The worst it's got is the Landia fight, and that's pretty easy overall

[royal gulch]

I can murder magolor with sand and not a crazy artifact

[solar nest]

you can solo every damn boss with sand

you can even solo master crown with sand

like DAMN dude

[royal gulch]

No 5 minutes straight of holding attack in what's essentially an interactive loading bar

[ripe mulch]

Would summoning a souvenir count as a "crazy artifact"? It sounds funny to beat Magolor with a crackler or something

[royal gulch]

It loads the victory screen real slowly

[ripe mulch]

Ah yes, Sims

(kidding)

[solar nest]

i gotta say though

my ass takes damage from the minibosses most of the time

[ripe mulch]

Me too

[void blaze]

minibosses are annoying lol

idk what it is

[ripe mulch]

One mini boss is fine. It's the twin ones that get me

[royal gulch]

WHY DOES TOUCHING BOSSES DO THAT MUCH DAMAGE

[hushed pine]

Peak fiction garbage gameplay

[valid locust]

landia

[solar nest]

i absolutely hate dubior

no reason

he just pisses me off in ta

actually all the minibosses do

[ripe mulch]

Bonkers + King Doo often end up hitting me a lot

[solar nest]

beam ball

[ripe mulch]

He's so perfect

[solar nest]

conductor bandee

[ripe mulch]

As far as arenas go, especially RtDL because channel but also a lot of them, I think it's really funny how the miniboss are a bigger threat than Magolor or whatever lol

[solar nest]

sphere doomers and minibosses can go to the uhhh

adoption center

[ripe mulch]

Ok, I actually got the sphere doomers down pretty quickly 😅 But I was using water and the rainbow makes quick work of them

[solar nest]

sphere doomers are easier tho

[ripe mulch]

(rainbow makes quick work of most people tbh lol)

[solar nest]

but they're also sort of minibosses and minibosses piss me off

[solar nest]

also sand castle

[ripe mulch]

I bet lol

I opted for water because I didn't want to rely on the invincible guard. But yeah I wanna do a sand run at some point

I actually really enjoyed this true arena, over all

[solar nest]

tornado sweep

[ripe mulch]

Me and tornado do not get along lol

[solar nest]

i forgot which ability people said was the worst in FL

was it tornado

or ice

or whatever

[ripe mulch]

Probably high jump

[solar nest]

naur i mean

[ripe mulch]

Tornado is a common one for people to use because it's pretty strong and you're invincible for a lot of it. I'm just bad at it

[solar nest]

Forgotten lan

[ripe mulch]

Oh, that I have no idea

[solar nest]

oh

[void blaze]

I think ice is the worst in fl but I forgor

fleur is actually pretty solid

[solar nest]

i thought tornado got slandered in fl

turns out i was wrong

[void blaze]

it is nerfed but fleur tornado does a lot of damage when it grabs stars and hits bosses with 'em

[solar nest]

mmmmmm

[ripe mulch]

Yeah, FL has a couple abilities where you want to focus on the stars. Needle is like that too

Maybe at some point I'll be brave enough to do a no ability run of RtDL

[solar nest]

i dont think i'd use abilities which focus mostly on stars well

i dont really focus on the stars that much

[ripe mulch]

Stars are often really strong in just about every game. The trick is that you have to wait for them

[solar nest]

yea

me when i start a new save file in rtdldx (i have magoland ptsd, but thats because i have no skill):

[ripe mulch]

I have two files. One is my normal one that I'm sharing my playthrough with friends. The other is an easy mode one (Magolor is cute I can't help it) and I've mostly just played Magoland there lol

I have one mission left to unlock the hard ones, and it's just the use a souvenir one lol I should do that soon to see how many of the hard missions I've already completed

[solar nest]

elic

epic

[ripe mulch]

11 lol

Spoiler marked just in case. But lol, feels good. I think most of the ones left will be the really hard ones though

[dull dagger]

Is ex mode a shorter version of the regular mode?

[warm sun]

No, it’s the same length as regular mode

[void blaze]

sadly

[warm sun]

Exactly

Hope you’re ready to replay the same game again but with harder bosses!!!!!!!!!

[solar nest]

hope you're also ready to have your hp cut in half!1!

[ripe mulch]

Hope you're also ready for almost no food!

[solar nest]

hope you're also ready for normal enemies to two shot you!1!1

[ripe mulch]

Extra mode really points out all the places you're lax or reckless lol

[brazen laurel]

me: is lax and reckless anyways

[ripe mulch]

Me too!
It's just funny how much more that makes you die here

[brazen laurel]

true lol

[warm sun]

https://youtu.be/U2e3Q-9sAUg Me listening to this song for 20 minutes while drawing without realizing

[earnest sphinx]

our days are numbered

[random pine]

whose numbered

i dont have numbered