my damage comes from move speed
#bl1-2-tps-media
real oracle
leaden stag
is moze as braindead as they say
I only skip her cause of an inherent distante for mechas
wind token
I like Zane, Fl4k kinda feels boring
really? flak was the one catching my biggest interest because of having a pet
cunning sable
no thats amara
real oracle
I only skip her cause of an inherent distante for mechas
you dont have to go IB
wind token
probably depends on if you consider early or late game i guess
real oracle
moze is also stronger outside of IB than in it
wind token
nothing is really "braindead" if you have no skills and no gear
real oracle
at least, when you optimize
cunning sable
thers Cub anayway
wind token
moze is also stronger outside of IB than in it
INTERESTING
real oracle
INTERESTING
yeah, you know immolate?
cunning sable
I wonder if Cub was made because of the April Fools Bear turning small
real oracle
same deal wit the funny math
leaden stag
I forgor what immolate was
real oracle
the maya skill with bonus fire based on damage dealt
short fuse is very similar except that
leaden stag
oh right
real oracle
wind token
yeah, you know immolate?
not how it works, i know there was some double dipping with slag (meaning that it multiplies twice x3 i think?)
real oracle
it double dips fire damage, slag, dr and elemental match ups
short fuse is also a double dip but funnier
wind token
it double dips fire damage, slag, dr and elemental match ups
double dips the 66% dr on op10?
real oracle
yes
real oracle
it still instantly kills terra
wind token
on op10???
man i know so little about maya
back when i played maya all i knew was beehawk and pimpernel with the CR class mod
real oracle
the timing is strict cuz you have to get ruin and then instantly go into ffyl but
wind token
i genuinely think that krieg is much easier than maya if you know what you're doing
wind token
like, i dont struggle with any content
and i struggled a lot with bossing on maya
but maybe that's comparing "knowing much on krieg" with "knowing not so much on maya"
signal stump
raid bossing?
signal stump
I mean the minibosses can all be phaselocked for an easy kill
the story mode bosses are pretty tame for the most part
wind token
yeah but like, guns
wind token
as i said, i used beehawk for most stuff
but i recently said up a fresh op0 savefile for maya so i might look into properly building her soon enough
opal ingot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560903030137159711/877021296104448041/W...
i wonder who's last place
real oracle
is moze as braindead as they say
i will say: gameplay yes, making the build no
wind token
also set up a fresh op0 for axton
wind token
i'm aware
signal stump
probably best with pimpernel not sandhawk though
wind token
but i want to be more versatile and not just have "this one gear" that i use for everything
i love how i can just swap in and out everything on krieg by knowing what synergizes with what
i just feel like i dont have that knowledge (yet) on maya
signal stump
you also can just
real oracle
maya's synergies are like uhh
signal stump
legendary cat
real oracle
you kinda just shoot
signal stump
and normal shield
wind token
i dont think you understand, fang
signal stump
like blockade
real oracle
i go legendary siren because i hate the cat š
signal stump
you kinda just shoot
backdraft maya 
signal stump
realish
cunning sable
i go legendary siren because i hate the cat š
Use the nurse you coward
signal stump
ngl I forget any other maya build
leaden stag
I only like bee mobbing on gaige
signal stump
leaden stag
cause she can shoot from anywhere
real oracle
ngl I forget any other maya build
prob cuz she's so shallow that she has like
leaden stag
haha bouncy bullets
signal stump
oh yeah forgot about that
wind token
helios 
real oracle
and then they're all worse than just using a generic maya build with just ruin and life tap
wind token
not sure if helios might lowkey work with subsequence on op0
signal stump
prob would
wind token
man i love op0 for this
leaden stag
would 
wind token
i had a sal in vc the other day and he also talked about how much op10 killed builds and then i was so happy again to play on op0
signal stump
people harp on that too much
op10 improved build diversity in some ways, eliminated build redundancy in others
real oracle
tbh much of it was already dead
signal stump
the real build is just
leaden stag
I like speedy maya and shooty maya
leaden stag
I think the phaselock variation is stupid and dumb
signal stump
thoughtlock is cool
real oracle
bl2 shoulda had easily swappable augments frfr
signal stump
I did thoughtlock once
honestly very good with backdraft maya
backdraft maya has horrible defenses
real oracle
backdraft is just worse body and m-
signal stump
so you need thoughtlock to save yourself
signal stump
backdraft is just worse body and m-
real
real oracle
i fucking hate maya 
cunning sable
At this rate your just gonna turn maya into Amara
real oracle
why do i main this class
cunning sable
Cope?
real oracle
then again, ive clocked like 80 hours into bl3 last 2 weeks so theres my answer
leaden stag
diminishing returns would make that useless anyway
signal stump
yeah
real oracle
just lower the deminishing returns 
tiny thorn
@north condor
Shotgun & Melee Zer0
leaden stag
phaselock son of crawmerax
signal stump
i think they were just worried about breaking bossesā scripted events
if they were phaselocked
leaden stag
real oracle
just make it so phaselock related skills still apply
for the duration of the phaselock
signal stump
yeah
real oracle
zeta did that
i wonder what vh she got that idea from
signal stump
aurelia
real oracle
oh for sure
signal stump
leaden stag
nah just grab son of cramwrax
cunning sable
Maya casually phaselocking an entire train (definitely not bl3)
north condor
<@309372829655236608>
Shotgun & Melee Zer0
Thank you
signal stump
shotgun zer0 is just
real oracle
maya's biggest personality change was scorn being fire in bl3
leaden stag
Lilith doing some eridium meth and tping a whole town
real oracle
that's it
signal stump
you have a shotgun for some reason
signal stump
not much else with synergy on zer0, he has some accuracy bonuses and can make a single shot hurt
signal stump
Im ngl scorn is prettier than useful
nah itās pretty useful
leaden stag
gun
signal stump
ew
leaden stag
nade
signal stump
maya has no swap time
real oracle
tbh you just go scorn cuz it's not like anything else in her tree is useful
cunning sable
Not always up
tiny thorn
not much else with synergy on zer0, he has some accuracy bonuses and can make a ...
It's working nicely for me.
Kunai & Death Mark.
One Shot One Kill for the first shot then Kill Confirmed for the rest of the mag.
real oracle
scorn isnt great i do agree, like it's mid
but mid in a maya build?
better than most things already lmao
leaden stag
cooldown fans when random guy on 1000 ping chucks down 9 scorns in a row
cunning sable
Relying on mods to. Make something better smh
real oracle
it's just fine
leaden stag
my buggati is acting weird
tiny thorn
It's working nicely for me.
Kunai & Death Mark.
One Shot One Kill for the first...
Plus Legendary Sniper COM & Shadow Seraphs.
signal stump
Plus Legendary Sniper COM & Shadow Seraphs.
dont use shadow seraph relic
itās so bad
signal stump
only use for it was like
signal stump
doesnt it like not even stack with two fang
no it does
leaden stag
just works separately
real oracle
no it does
signal stump
no theyāre the same double shot
tiny thorn
Seems good...
signal stump
itās just that dps wise
real oracle
Seems good...
ehh i never talked about its fire rate shenanigans
real oracle
it still is worse than bone of the ancients
bro he's just doing it for fun
ive brought up that elemental relics are better first
you think i havent?
like they're straight better in every way
real oracle
well thats cuz the bone is a stupidly designed item
signal stump
yes
real oracle
but it's in the gameā¢ļø
leaden stag
what did they even add the neverwinter relic for
signal stump
and on jakobs shotguns
real oracle
funny
leaden stag
it has the same values as bone
signal stump
they donāt even need double shot
leaden stag
and no cooldown
signal stump
what did they even add the neverwinter relic for
theme
idk
you can use it on krieg
since he doesnt care about cooldown
cunning sable
Thank you patch by making it 1% better ny giving it fire resistance
So useful
tiny thorn
it still is worse than bone of the ancients
I have Bone on Gaige
wind token
tbh much of it was already dead
well tbf i dont know how 72 op8 killed builds, i only know 80 op0 and i really love how versatile you are
wind token
if they were phaselocked
would also trivialize a lot of stuff?
wind token
i dont agree with the way some bosses are designed but some bosses are designed to just burst you down, which you could mitigate then
plus you could go quad maya
leaden stag
Id totally use it to interrupt idiotc AoE attacks
not the kind that you can see but rather the hyperius and vora ones
wind token
not the kind that you can see but rather the hyperius and vora ones
yeah but those are intended by design
we might find it stupid but it's intended so it would make sense to prevent it
signal stump
plus you could go quad maya
quad sucks if you mean reflect kill
and that only works against hyperius because he has reflect himself
it also is not dependent on phaselock at all really, itās dependent on having kill skills up
wind token
quad sucks if you mean reflect kill
i meant quad as in 4x maya
wheat harbor
would also trivialize a lot of stuff?
would honestly make some raids more fair
really sucks how maya loses out on her best skill in raids
but yeah i honestly just prefer phaselock active skills just always triggering even if you cant lock the target
just let it deal damage
wind token
would honestly make some raids more fair
really sucks how maya loses out on her ...
well i dont argue that, i'm just saying that from a design perspective (which intended these bullshit mechanics for whatever unknown reason) it makes sense to prevent it
well one reason might be that they were intended to be beaten with full stack where you have infinite range rez, turrets blocking novas etc
wheat harbor
yeh
wind token
but yeah i honestly just prefer phaselock active skills just always triggering e...
yeah, i love that change in your mod
wheat harbor
raids are very much designed around coop
so have a LOT of stuff thats utter bs in solo
wind token
i think only raids are really bs?
wheat harbor
zeta did that
i wonder what vh she got that idea from
cough cough amara my goat
wheat harbor
i think only raids are really bs?
yeah
most other stuff is generally fine
its just raids that are really shitty
wind token
cough cough amara my goat
they managed to do it in bl3?
even tps? damn, they really didnt wanna get back to bl2
wheat harbor
they managed to do it in bl3?
amara's mystical assault tree has a bunch of skills that are triggered on using her action skill
wind token
which is bl3, no? xD
wheat harbor
but dont care about how long its active
wind token
NOOOOOOOOOOO why is tps not even installed on my machine
wheat harbor
aurelia did it first
what skills?
wind token
but yeah i think that's a really nice change in your mod that wreck and co still apply
real oracle
aurelia did it first
aurelia doesnt have 2 funny orbs that instantly kill any boss tho....
wheat harbor
but dont care about how long its active
meanwhile maya's skills in vanilla are directly tied to phaselock being active
wait are the skills active while the subsequence orb is in the air?
wind token
oh that, yeah now i remember what you were mad about
that phaselock is more ideally used as a catalyst than actual CC
wind token
wait are the skills active while the subsequence orb is in the air?
should be
even though i dont know much about maya gearing i at least should know how the skills work 
i'll boot up the game real quick and check
would be stupid if it didnt apply though
real oracle
maya gear is kinda like axton but cut out the guns he abuses with grenade splash
wind token
i have a bad feeling...
@wheat harbor im not sure if ui icons are overlapping...
but it seems this action skill is actually more garbage than i assumed
@wheat harbor i intentionally shot the wall before the kill so you can compare fire rate...
GOD DAMMIT IT EVEN EXPLICITLY SPECIFIES THAT FACT
WHILE YOU HAVE IT PHASELOCKED, NOT WHILE PHASELOCK IS ACTIVE
wheat harbor
yeaahh
wheat harbor
honestly makes me wonder if subsequence is even worth it in vanilla
over going just full phaselock cooldown
wind token
you could argue that it ultimately doesnt matter because with subsequence you want to shoot what you phaselock anyway but still
it restricts the usability of it way more than it has to
wind token
over going just full phaselock cooldown
i mean you can just go both
rough galleon
I use Subsequence with Thoughtlock and Helios spamming but otherwise I dont like Subsequence myself LOL
wheat harbor
you could argue that it ultimately doesnt matter because with subsequence you wa...
id honestly say you dont want to shoot the phaselocked target
wind token
this is what i quickly drafted
wind token
id honestly say you dont want to shoot the phaselocked target
with subsequence i disagree
wheat harbor
still sucks that you need 5 points just to make subnsequence reliable
wheat harbor
i mean you can just go both
5/5 flicker and 4/5 immolate pains me
flicker is
borderline useless
wind token
this is what i quickly drafted
.
wheat harbor
fair
wind token
but what was the issue with it, oh it only multiplied the chance instead of adding it?
wheat harbor
but what was the issue with it, oh it only multiplied the chance instead of addi...
multiplies
and only applies to guns
and a small value
wind token
* 1.3 instead of + 0.3?
wheat harbor
\* 1.3 instead of + 0.3?
yeh
tardy horizon
So new here and I came back to borderlands 3 after some time and kind of forgot about the dup glitch for keys so I used the 6 or 7 diamond keys available like a dumbass and can't really find more. Did I screw my myself
wheat harbor
\* 1.3 instead of + 0.3?
(all dot chance boosts work this way)
i mean
its the same as basically any other stat boost
ig people just think its additive because dot chance is already a %
wheat harbor
reaper is
something
wind token
well i guess 4/5 flicker it is xD
this is my op10 save so helios is not worth it and idk if backdraft even works here
and speccing backdraft in a generalist spec is probably also pretty meh
wind token
reaper is
something
but yeah, true, i never noticed it almost DOUBLES YOUR DAMAGE?!?!?!
wheat harbor
but yeah, true, i never noticed it almost DOUBLES YOUR DAMAGE?!?!?!
i wasnt even meaning that just
50% health threshold is so
why?
it doesnt meaningfully do anything for any builds because its such a wide health gap
wind token
also BROOOO what is this reload speed
this will be an interesting journey when i get back to maya...
wind token
it doesnt meaningfully do anything for any builds because its such a wide health...
what exactly do you mean
wheat harbor
what exactly do you mean
its like
side a wide health margin that you dont really have to do anything for it
compared to it just being a half value bullet damage boost
its not enough to be like a one shot skill
like bl3's 150/90 anoint
real oracle
red tree is whack
like, is it really maya's damage tree? idk i try to tell new players that but at the same time it's...not
wheat harbor
like, is it really maya's damage tree? idk i try to tell new players that but at...
1 damage skill
real oracle
like bl3's 150/90 anoint
me when it also applies to the short fuse proc all over again
wheat harbor
also why is reaper a maya skill not zero
wind token
because zer0 already has such a skill?
wind token
its not enough to be like a one shot skill
yeah thats true, the skill sounds more like "burst the enemy while they're full" but in reality that doesnt happen
wind token
like, is it really maya's damage tree? idk i try to tell new players that but at...
it would be if the skill were actually useful
foresight/reaper/cr are there but so are accelerate/inertia and minds eye/wreck
real oracle
like if i dont call it her damage tree then
wind token
technically you could count quicken and suspension too as they increase your wreck uptime
real oracle
it just has nothing to show flr it
like
"cataclysm is the tree with foresight, chain reaction, and reaper"
wind token
it feels like axton to me, at least from my quick glance yesterday, you have many skills thrown around different trees
real oracle
im headed to the doc cuz i needed to fix another mistake i made
wind token
left tree is definitely utility tree and middle tree is definitely healing tree
but right tree is maybe elemenetal tree, in a way?
backdraft does fire(?), blight phoenix does fire, flicker increases dot up time, helios does fire, immolate does fire, cloud kill does corrosive
and ruin does all
if anything, maya's the fire character after all, not krieg
real oracle
this ig?
i honestly hate calling it elemental tree cuz it's shit at it and doesnt boost elements
wind token
lets her easily apply elements? talking about ruin?
real oracle
ig? i honestly have nothing else to realistically say it's kinda a shit tree
wind token
just avoid it completely 
but yeah, i share your point of view that it doesnt have any representative qualities
@real oraclewhat would you call axton's trees?
real oracle
healing, damage 1 and damage 2
wind token
real oracle
damage 2 being left tree cuz its more like utility damage
middle is well, it's called gunpowder
wind token
i mean, sounds a bit more reasonable but maybe i'm just disappointed because it doesnt feel as unique as krieg's trees
i think zer0's trees if i remember them right were also a bit unique
wheat harbor
i mean, sounds a bit more reasonable but maybe i'm just disappointed because it ...
krieg middle tree 
wind token
krieg middle tree <:mozehueh:767478697480683532>
i mean, it's the melee tree, so yes
real oracle
man i feel like i shouldnt even include the elemental modifier in the formula section cuz it's always gonna be present anyway, esp if i didnt include slag
wind token
for gun builds it's a bit sad ofc but that's moreso because the gun stuff is all injected into both other trees
but i like that part, that different trees generally apply a different sort of playstyle
like zer0's right tree iirc
real oracle
its cuz u havent done pin hands build
wind token
it gives them identity, but also doesnt make them utter garbage when not opting into that playstyle (although that's more the case with zer0 right tree than with krieg middle tree i guess)
wind token
its cuz u havent done pin hands build
pin hands?
wheat harbor
i mean, it's the melee tree, so yes
the "melee" tree
real oracle
wind token
can you send the build link
wind token
the "melee" tree
the melee tree, yes
real oracle
in the bottom of the krieg doc
wind token
what else is the identity of a tree with 5(?) melee bonuses
real oracle
oh ii se what you mean
wind token
in the bottom of the krieg doc
you have it open
wind token
i dont wanna open the doc
wheat harbor
what else is the identity of a tree with 5(?) melee bonuses
yeah its just kinda
low effort compared to the other two ig
the tree itself i mean
wind token
https://www.lootlemon.com/class/krieg#_550005000551_005501000000_55555150051
oh is it the
reload build i should say
wind token
yeah its just kinda
low effort compared to the other two ig
it has less identity if you mean that
wheat harbor
its sorta a "in your face tree"
rewarding shield being down, shotgun and melee damage, ect
wheat harbor
it has less identity if you mean that
also just
less interesting design wise imo
wind token
its sorta a "in your face tree"
rewarding shield being down, shotgun and melee d...
that's also a good way to put it yeah
wheat harbor
because zer0 already has such a skill?
wdym?
wind token
but with capstone and StV i would still say closer to a melee
considering the amount of melee skills it's actually well designed to work well with gun builds too which probably made it into a sort of "in your face" tree
wind token
killing bl0w
wheat harbor
oh the melee one
wind token
ah it's only melee
wheat harbor
thats also the opposite
wind token
yeah you can tell how much i played this shitty class
wind token
thats also the opposite
precisely my point, wouldnt make sense to also have a high hp one
although the one shot potential would fit better to sniper man
yeah i now get what you meant
wheat harbor
precisely my point, wouldnt make sense to also have a high hp one
its also a pretty useless skill on zero because you want to one shot enemies with the melee build too
wind token
its also a pretty useless skill on zero because you want to one shot enemies wit...
oh true š
it's there for bossing i suppose
it's insane how fast pyro pete melts once he's in the threshold
real oracle
the main great thing about killing blow is that the other 3 skills near it are shit (grim for melee)
wind token
so basically, it's great for bossing but it's also not bad for mobbing (because no better skill)
real oracle
it's more useful on non melee builds really
wind token
it's more useful on non melee builds really
but it does melee damage?
or like, just for finishing off stuff
wheat harbor
it's insane how fast pyro pete melts once he's in the threshold <a:mozeRotating:...
500% multiplicative bonus will do that
real oracle
yeah finishing stuff off
wind token
500% multiplicative bonus will do that
1000%
wind token
what on earth
lunar hound
What the fuck is that
lofty flame
Rubber duck
lunar hound
Oh i forgoy claptrap
lunar hound
You left a save mid ability
wind token
what?
i neither remember nor know anything about skill trees in this game so you need to explain that more if you want me to understand
lunar hound
No bc idk
lofty flame
(I think it was a joke about how you "opened your save and started bouncing and reflecting")
wind token
You left a save mid ability
oh, now i understand, no i didnt
it was just an action skill i received
wind token
Clappy in that game is an inconsistent mess of a character
also, this is part of the fun
real oracle
i think when you first spec into a skill that gives a vault hunter exe thingy, it basically almost guarantees you get it next action skill
wind token
at least i hope it is
lunar hound
Hm
wind token
i think when you first spec into a skill that gives a vault hunter exe thingy, i...
respec meta? 
wheat harbor
i think when you first spec into a skill that gives a vault hunter exe thingy, i...
yeah its whack
lunar hound
i think when you first spec into a skill that gives a vault hunter exe thingy, i...
What?
Oh
that seems broken
so the meta basically is store your skill points then spec if necessary?
stiff palm
Can help me with haderex?
tawdry shell
Can help me with haderex?
ask in #lfg-playstation-bl2 not here
tawdry shell
rip
stiff palm
Haisss š„¹š„¹
opal cloak
tidal obsidian
errant token
34
errant token
It means you should go outside, it's summer
gritty crater
comedian
lofty flame
whats this number above axton turrets mean
unspent skill points
which is something the game has a habit of reminding you of
wind token
unspent skill points
I think the point was the 34 xD
real oracle
holy shit
tawdry shell
im gonna assume this is something really cool
wind token
im gonna assume this is something really cool
i'm converting games data into a database so i can run analyses on them
main purpose is to calculate gear stats (reload speed, etc) by parts combination and later also involving skills from skill tree
real oracle
so that you can check any parts stats lickity split
tawdry shell
oh that is really cool
wind token
the beauty of this is that we can later get stats of perfect gear for any given game stage
tawdry shell
sick
wind token
unlike loot lemon which has only perfect op10 gear
real oracle
it's cuz we havent had a gear calculator in fucking..decades
like the last one was out of date by 2013
wind token
man this shit game is already 12 years old
wind token
like the last one was out of date by 2013
so it lasted one entire year
cunning sable
I was 13 12 years ago
wind token
i was 13 too
real oracle
bruh i was like 8
leaden stag
now you are about to feel your bones crunch
cunning sable
now you are about to feel your bones crunch
Im biting them now
wind token
now look at this bad boy <@652389298263293953> <a:mozeRotating:83628467878874317...
short reminder that i didnt insert a single row myself @real oracle
this will be great for drop rates later
i am running a server on which i could theoretically develop a gear calculator then @real oracle
real oracle
well you can make a gear calculator through a spreadsheet but then you have to plug everything in manually š
wind token
i still have this bare bones page which i never actually implemented but that is how it could look like
wind token
well you *can* make a gear calculator through a spreadsheet but then you have to...
you remember that i did that before
first excel, then access, now this giga project
but with a webpage it would be accessible to everyone then
fervent rain
i got a great mod just cant use it :')
tiny thorn
@torn nova
This is what I have for Sal.
The goal was to increase Fire Rate to get to Money Shot ASAP.
torn nova
I mean the damage is there but there's no survivability lol, also 90% of Jakobs weapons don't practically benefit from any fire rate boosts (since they already fire as fast as you can spam your trigger finger)
Except for like the Twister or Stinkpot or Unforgiven because they're some of the only weapons that have a slow rate of fire
wheat harbor
<@417488703464800257>
This is what I have for Sal.
The goal was to increase Fir...
what weapons are you using?
torn nova
torn nova
real oracle
oops
wheat harbor
yeah
confirmed 85%
real oracle
no idea where i got 50% from smh
torn nova
Funko opinion = null
leaden stag
salvador without speed is foul
torn nova
salvador without speed is foul
Incite
Also damage/survivability > movement imo
Unless it's a movement decrease, then not worth trade off
leaden stag
isnt incite the one that needs you to take damage for speed
torn nova
It is yes
leaden stag
yuck
wheat harbor
incite is great
sal literally face tanks damage all the time
itll be always active
torn nova
Bus that can't Slow Down you have to be Gunzerking
real oracle
incite is great
unless you're on jakobs allegiance
wheat harbor
plus reload speed
torn nova
unless you're on jakobs allegiance <:mozeHueh:712237380073160704> <:mozeHueh:712...
Stfu
real oracle
L
wheat harbor
unless you're on jakobs allegiance <:mozeHueh:712237380073160704> <:mozeHueh:712...
hm?
wheat harbor
oh
wheat harbor
Also damage/survivability > movement imo
(movement kinda is survivability)
leaden stag
I feel sane, I enjoy salvador the least
movement so you can run up to enemies and show them whats up
torn nova
(movement kinda is survivability)
Technically true, though I prefer direct survivability
leaden stag
Harold is basically a shotgun
wheat harbor
kinda
wheat harbor
it has a specific range rather than close as possible
harold you dont want to be too close
torn nova
harold you dont want to be too close
Is Harold distance or time based?
leaden stag
Ive shot doc coachs at further ranges than a harold
wheat harbor
Is Harold distance or time based?
time
its all timed
torn nova
Aka does bullet speed affect it at all
torn nova
time
its all timed
Wait I thought that some weapons were distance based, no?
wheat harbor
Aka does bullet speed affect it at all
kinda
but only effects the starting speed of gyrojets
not the acceleration
leaden stag
iirc zero has better range with it
wheat harbor
Wait I thought that some weapons were distance based, no?
nope
no distance based ones
torn nova
nope
no distance based ones
Damn I been lied to
torn nova
kinda
but only effects the starting speed of gyrojets
not the acceleration
Ah that's pretty lame
torn nova
harold is pretty eh on zero
Maggie > Harold
wheat harbor
on zero absolutely
real oracle
by eh it's still a harold lmao
torn nova
And Maya too imo
wheat harbor
yeah
real oracle
but it's not peak so idc
leaden stag
Real ones use a rock double penetrating slapper
wheat harbor
And Maya too imo
maya is like
one of the better dpuh users or something
lemme find it
torn nova
maya is like
one of the better dpuh users or something
Bruh does she get CR shenanigans or sum
real oracle
she can
leaden stag
Is it bad I wanted the veritas to be better just cause it has a pretty skin
torn nova
Is it bad I wanted the veritas to be better just cause it has a pretty skin
Me but Commerce
Best skin
wheat harbor
Bruh does she get CR shenanigans or sum
ah mainly just pairs nicely with phaselock
that was the logic
torn nova
ah mainly just pairs nicely with phaselock
Oh lol
wheat harbor
cause she can lock enemies in place she can reliably actually hit all the pellets
plus grouping enmeies up with converge
torn nova
That goes the same with any multipellet/crit weapon too tho, no?
real oracle
eh
wheat harbor
im just meaning for harold users
real oracle
depends on if phaselock wants to fuck you over or not
wheat harbor
maya is one of the better ones
torn nova
plus grouping enmeies up with converge
Converge š„
leaden stag
use longbow if you hate yourself
wheat harbor
not so much meaning harold is the best maya weapon
real oracle
cause she can lock enemies in place she can reliably actually hit all the pellet...
there is no way ur hitting all of em
torn nova
use longbow if you hate yourself
But Longbow is amazing wym
real oracle
But Longbow is amazing wym
phaselock fucking you over
leaden stag
Its painful without bullet speed
wheat harbor
its not really
leaden stag
zero weapon
torn nova
Its painful without bullet speed
Accelerate then
torn nova
its not really
I've never had any issue using it without bullet speed fr
real oracle
it's not that bad with bullet speed
torn nova
it's not that bad with bullet speed
Fr
wheat harbor
there is no way ur hitting all of em
easier with maya than basically anyone else
real oracle
skill issue
leaden stag
I have my doubts on if the projectiles follow the crossair
real oracle
smh check the firingpatternlines then
leaden stag
I like it against melee enemies but it feels a bit clunky long range
wheat harbor
its not a long range weapon
leaden stag
anyway just warning you am the kinda guy that hits 7 headshots in a row with it and still complain
wheat harbor
but yeah just as much as i like to shit on maya and the dpuh
she kinda gets better more reliable use out of it
especially as you can just speed dump with wreck
leaden stag
I only see it as a staple for like axton and krieg
wheat harbor
on anyone else id just say intense for reliability
leaden stag
maybe sal and maya too but like
real oracle
i too like the make fun of maya despite her being perfectly suitable for most of the game
leaden stag
interfacer generally better
wheat harbor
intersnoozer
real oracle
me when it has penetration
real oracle
so if you have converge and CR
wheat harbor
me when it has penetration
so stupid
leaden stag
besides shooting big bosses
torn nova
I like damage prefix on weapons better than fire rate, even if the dps is technically lower. It's more damage per bullet and you don't burn through ammo as fast
real oracle
so it just straight up summons extra main pellets
leaden stag
I'll try it on gaige some other time
torn nova
Except certain SMGs
real oracle
cuz the original keeps goin
wheat harbor
and the original does actually deal damage so
leaden stag
But I generally never use it for mobbing
torn nova
and enemies with large hitboxes eat up the side pellets
Saturn
More like Saturn't
now laugh
leaden stag
The joke was so bad it made me remember I was gonna make myself some tea
torn nova
The joke was so bad it made me remember I was gonna make myself some tea
You're very much welcome
tiny thorn
what weapons are you using?
I have no idea, this is just newbie theory at it's finest.
wind token
Saturn
More like Saturn't
Now im interested what i could do to Saturn with cc
torn nova
Now im interested what i could do to Saturn with cc
Turn him into a toaster
tawdry shell
bros tweaking
tiny thorn
What do y'all think of this for Explosive Guns & Grenades Krieg?
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55000500055101550515100005550104051
nocturne mist
you only need 1 point in thrill of the kill
also light the fuze and pull the pin is ass in op levels
light the fuze is fine in normal mode
ass in tvhm
ok in uvhm
ass in op levels
tiny thorn
Ok, so maybe put 5 in Salt the Wound?
I'll have 2 points left
And use explosive shotguns?
I could also put some in Bloody Revival and use Explosive assault rifles.
sullen totem
Redeem the Soul not really needed
1 point in Flame Flare is enough cause you already get almost perma uptime cause of delusional damage and raving retribution
If you want to use exclusively shotguns replace Fire Fiend with Salt the Wound
tiny thorn
Thank you
tiny thorn
If you want to use exclusively shotguns replace Fire Fiend with Salt the Wound
Hmm, that's a really hard choice...
Shotguns are really good..
It literally comes down to just those 2 options with this build, haha.
What do you think I should do?
The Accuracy & Reload Speed or Shotgun Damage?? I'm thinking Damage..
wind token
you only need 1 point in thrill of the kill
depends , on op0 1 point is generally not that great
nocturne mist
ialso depends on build
austere sierra
nocturne mist
dude ive been making cursed ass bl3 builds ts is fun as hell
wind token
i also only take one point but when doing regular gun mobbing i either have reaper (+5 totk) or torch (which is independant of the com but you get enough dot healing so it's not needed)
nocturne mist
yk axtons nuke
thats in bl3 on moze and i made a build around it
its so fun but ill return to bl2 soon
tiny thorn
Would you guys choose Fire Fiend or Salt The Wound?
wind token
1 point in Flame Flare is enough cause you already get almost perma uptime cause...
interesting point, in my build list i currently favored it over FF because you already have so much reload speed and accuracy is not important when you're IN THE FACE all the time
wind token
Would you guys choose Fire Fiend or Salt The Wound?
because of the above mentioned point salt the wound if i have to choose
sullen totem
Hmm, that's a really hard choice...
Shotguns are really good..
It literally come...
With blood bath the damage is negligible so I recommend the accuraxy honestly
You have enough damage anyways
tiny thorn
Oooh, ppl are torn
sullen totem
Iād say just test it out and see what you like
tiny thorn
I mean, it couldn't be worse than playing Gaige .
wind token
you also have enough accuracy because of the range you are usually at (or at least i am, for that matter)
also hey temmy
sullen totem
Hallo
I prefer the accuracy because normally if you use explosive weapons you donāt want to be in the face in the face
Otherwise youāll blow yourself up
And the reload speed is more noticeable than the damage (lol 500%)
But idk Iām a shotgun sniper so I love accuracy
wind token
my generalist is this
but moving 4 points or even 5 is also fair enough i guess
and also better for certain bossing
tiny thorn
my generalist is this
Dang, you want that many in Flame Flare?
wind token
Dang, you want that many in Flame Flare?
it's what i deem the most useful for me
alternatives would be FF (which i dislike for aforementioned reasons) and StW (i dont play shotguns too often and if i do they're usually already powerful enough)
fwiw i didnt play too much without it so
real oracle
https://bl2skills.com/psycho.html#55000500055100550105000005555151051
what the fuck
why are you talking
sullen totem
why are you talking
krieg
trim hinge
temmy is the resident krieg main
cunning sable
Abandoned it back in the year 4, onlu now picking it back.up
lunar hound
I've been a krieg main
What the
How havent i known this
i thought the only person i knew that was well known in the bl community thats a krieg main was marino
wind token
i thought the only person i knew that was well known in the bl community thats a...
Krieg isn't very popular so there's only temmy and me. Temmy became inactive a while ago though.
wind token
Idk if hes the least played or if gaige is
Gaige
Maya axton are easy for beginners
Sal is popular because strong late game
lunar hound
Sal is the cheesy cheese charsctef
wind token
Zer0 is kinda... you have to like glass cannon
lunar hound
Zero is kinds tough but still cheesy given the right circumstances
wind token
And then there's krieg gaige
lunar hound
Krieg is a tanky dps but its tough to keep that uptime if you have skill issue
wind token
I think both need knowledge to be viable but then they become pretty easy
lunar hound
Gaige is tough bc her dps also makes you horribly inaccurate
which is why the twister is great on her
wind token
Gaige is tough bc her dps also makes you horribly inaccurate
Bad character
lunar hound
True
wheat harbor
I think both need knowledge to be viable but then they become pretty easy
id honestly say gaige is pretty easy
3rd after maya then axton
wheat harbor
Krieg isnt very popular?
krieg tends to get a lot of love from those that know him but is very intimidating to the average player
wind token
id honestly say gaige is pretty easy
Even with little knowledge?
wheat harbor
whats there to learn
wind token
Haven't played her
wind token
Idk how complicated building her is
wheat harbor
axton is more complicated than gaige
gaige is just a noobtrap character with anarchy
so i put her third
wind token
But since everyone considers her useless with no anarchy i thought its a bit tougher to build
wind token
gaige is just a noobtrap character with anarchy
So is Maya with beehawk
wind token
But since everyone considers her useless with no anarchy i thought its a bit tou...
.
Who's 4 then to you
wheat harbor
bee hawking is not something youll come across naturally
wind token
Fair enough
wheat harbor
Who's 4 then to you
its trixky to place zero/sal/krieg
zero is higly dependant on the specific player
sal i honestly want to put last because of how bugridden and non transferable sal stuff is
wind token
Fair enough
cunning sable
Everyone is last place
wind token
I honestly know too less to properly discuss gaige so
cunning sable
Gaige is
Gaige
wind token
Sal gaige and zer0 are the only ones I haven't leveled to 80
My zer0 is 50
Soon I wanna actually take a look at maya
I hate that she was my first character but I never really took the time to learn her and just beehawked instead back then
tiny thorn
Would the Evolution or Blockade be good on shotgun Zer0?
wind token
I keep hearing that turtles area good on zer0 which implies that he is better at recharging shield than restoring health so that would imply that Adaptive shields aren't too good as they benefit from having both
On the other hand it means you have your elemental resistance up more often so maybe im wrong
tiny thorn
Yeah, I've heard the same thing about turtles. What's the best turtle besides the Fabled Turtle?
I don't want something that slows my movement.
Hoplite?
copper wasp
Yeah, I've heard the same thing about turtles. What's the best turtle besides th...
I'd assume it'd be a random purple turtle shield with a specific combination of parts
Do note that if you're planning on going into the OP levels with one, you'll also want it at a specific level below you to keep it from sending your health into the negatives
tiny thorn
So I want a Maliwan Capacitor, right?
What other parts do I want?
This chart I'm looking at looks like:
Pangolin Capacitor
Bandit Recharge
Dahl Delay
Maliwan Special 1 & 2 (whatever that means)
wheat harbor
Would the Evolution or Blockade be good on shotgun Zer0?
blockade yea
evolution no
wheat harbor
Yeah, I've heard the same thing about turtles. What's the best turtle besides th...
fabled tortoise is a terrible turtle lol
wheat harbor
So I want a Maliwan Capacitor, right?
What other parts do I want?
if gaige full anshin
purple turtle shields are amazing
lunar hound
Fabled tortoise is only really used with characters that can lower their shield capacity
wheat harbor
Fabled tortoise is only really used with characters that can lower their shield ...
even then its niche cause
no survivability
lunar hound
For the speed boost
tiny thorn
if gaige full anshin
I put the Antagonist on Gaige.
What's the Anshin?
I'm looking for something for Zer0.
I'm trying to make a shield in Gib rn but I'm not getting it right...
lunar hound
even then its niche cause
no survivability
Yea but breakneck banshee maya
Speed is funny
wheat harbor
I put the Antagonist on Gaige.
What's the Anshin?
I'm looking for something for...
anshin is a manufacturer
i mean anshin parts are good for turtles on gaige
tiny thorn
Oh ok, do you think the Antagonist is good on her or better on Zer0?
tiny thorn
If I had to choose 1 and gib a shield for the other? Bc I don't wanna go too nuts here
wind token
antagonist kinda good on everyone
Krieg
wind token
Using shields on krieg makes me sad
wheat harbor
who cares about slag spikes
wind token
still get bullet reflection
Even if depleted?
wheat harbor
Even if depleted?
yup
real oracle
just make a skill that like
wheat harbor
thats why the antagonist is so good
wind token
who cares about slag spikes
Ah so reflection yes slag no
wheat harbor
Ah so reflection yes slag no
yup
tiny thorn
If I had to choose 1 and gib a shield for the other? Bc I don't wanna go too nut...
@wind token
Do you have an answer for this and can you help me gib one for whoever doesn't get the Antagonist or give me another suggestion please?
I mean @wheat harbor
Sorry
tiny thorn
Just give them both the Antagonist?
I had Deadly Bloom on Zer0
wheat harbor
antagonsit kinda useless if youre not getting shot with bullets
blockade good all around but does nothing for dots
trim hinge
it has 10 million capacity smh
wheat harbor
antagonsit kinda useless if youre not getting shot with bullets
well its still huge cap so
real oracle
just like
wheat harbor
Krieg has 10m hp
krieg has the same hp as everyone else without boosts
real oracle
no fucking way you play cruelty squad if you get that
wind token
No the skill
real oracle
oh
wind token
I need it!
wheat harbor
Just give them both the Antagonist?
I had Deadly Bloom on Zer0
honeslty could just give em both a purple turtle
iunno what parts for zero
real oracle
just need to actually put it in the tree
cuz it's a custom skill
as a reminder, smth like
wheat harbor
shield parts are the suck and too annoying
torn nova
Triple pangolin on turtle for all the capacity
Who needs health when you have healthgate + Moxxi
wheat harbor
gaige just makes it easy cause bss
tiny thorn
iunno what parts for zero
I just gave Zer0 Blockade and called it a day, haha. Thank you
wheat harbor
also for blockade special doesnt do anything
wheat harbor
Triple Pango ez
if you dont want your shield to ever refill
trim hinge
yeah i always run triple pang on gaige
wheat harbor
i just go anshin
wheat harbor
5/8 cap isnt a huge difference on some shielfs
especially turtles
cause parts are additive
lunar hound
no fucking way you play cruelty squad if you get that
Wait you play cruelty squad
cunning sable
Only tourge parts
Forever
real oracle
Wait you play cruelty squad
did i come off has someone who doesn't?
bro has not been paying attention to ANYTHING about funkzone smh
my entire zer0 is based around MT Fuck
wheat harbor
Only tourge parts
Forever
nah only jakobs
real oracle
zeta trying to be funny challenge
cunning sable
Partless Rough Rider
wheat harbor
nah only jakobs <:mozehueh:767478697480683532>
lunar hound
yeah its not like i took a hiatus from bl2 modding for like 3 months
real oracle
year 2,017,617.3
wheat harbor
zeta trying to be funny challenge
silence
real oracle
shields always add up to 4?
wheat harbor
yes
real oracle
why have i never noticed
wheat harbor
well
special is double weighted
wait not in vanilla
in vanilla its all over the place
this is vzeta
wheat harbor
vanilla shield parts feel like they just dice rolled all the stats
wind token
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1140472432919068744/1168465009454612510...
What's total
wheat harbor
It's not the sum of the other columns
it is but
special is weighted twice as much
wheat harbor
neat
lunar hound
How
real oracle
code smh
glass vessel
mellow cape
struggled to kill hyperius for weeks and in one day i kill hyperius and master gee lets go
silver heath
Never killed master gee and never will fr
lunar hound
code smh
Crazy
But how does it work
Like how can it check if the hp is enough for the binary operator to deal its true dmg
real oracle
lunar hound
I see
real oracle
just the rectangle bit i think the other bullshit is zetas bouncy bullet stuff
real oracle
shadows
lunar hound
oh
wheat harbor
just the rectangle bit i think the other bullshit is zetas bouncy bullet stuff
yeah
i think im gonna have to scrap it tho
its super inconsistent with crits
go back to normal bullets
wind token
it is but
special is weighted twice as much
Ah
tiny thorn
I want to make a really good Nurse Maya.
What I have now kinda does damage and kinda heals. Is it ok or can I make it better?
rough galleon
I want to make a really good Nurse Maya.
What I have now kinda does damage and k...
Dont really need 5/5 Restoration as your normal shots can usually heal people to full if with the bee otherwise shotguns/splatguns/rockets does the job without
Getting a few points in Sweet Release, albeit random who it heals, can heal in combat so you dont need to hyper focus your healing
Blight phoenix lacks any significant dmg, usually for getting melee enemies off you so 1 point is fine enough
If you are using Elated to its fullest, might want to get Suspension too
tiny thorn
Dont really need 5/5 Restoration as your normal shots can usually heal people to...
What should I drop to get suspension?
Has to be something in Motion
Kinetic Reflection?
Or Accelerate?
rough galleon
Personally I would drop the chance to reflect skill myself, I usually just use it for cheese otherwise I dont see much value of it
tiny thorn
Ok
rough galleon
Kinetic Reflection
tiny thorn
Is +2.5 seconds even worth 5 points tho?
rough galleon
otherwise just removing 4 from Restoration and spending 5 Suspension, 4 on Kinetic would be good
the extra phaselock is to utilize Elated
tiny thorn
I'm thinking of dropping Kinetic & Accelerate for Suspension & Sweet Release..
rough galleon
just Phaselock something people dont need to kill and watch the hp regen tick
if you have Leg. Nurse, its even stronger
tiny thorn
Ha! When y'all were saying Leg Hunter I thought that was literally shooting enemies in the leg..
I get it now.... LEGendary Hunter..
rough galleon
well I did pick a period after Leg. so it means its short form
tiny thorn
You're the first one I've seen put a period.
rough galleon
unfort
tiny thorn
Dont really need 5/5 Restoration as your normal shots can usually heal people to...
Is just 1 in Restoration fine?
rough galleon
yeah as the aforementioned reasons
tiny thorn
Do I want Res?
rough galleon
are you playing Multiplayer?
I assumed so since its a support build and if so, always.
its literally the best instant res in the game as it has no downsides
the only other skill is Krieg's Redeem the Soul
tiny thorn
Yes, with my son who is brand new.
Playing Krieg in NVHM,
But will probably switch to Maya in TVHM.
rough galleon
Personally I would do something like this
tiny thorn
IDK what to do with the Harmony tree, I'm almost done with this and I'll post it
tiny thorn
Personally I would do something like this
What website is this?
rough galleon
if the mob dies in the Phaselock
healing orbs wee
if it doesnt
Elated keeps going, wee
Lootlemon .com
tiny thorn
Personally I would do something like this
This is actually basically perfect
You would take Fleet over Accelerate tho?
rough galleon
there's some niche skills I like tho such as:
Helios lvl 1 is a trash skill so its a throwaway but hey, more fire is funny
Sustenance lvl 1 is just passive regeneration which helps OOC/between mob packs but not in Combat really
and Fleet is just fun; nice escape tool if things get rowdy
Accelerate is just 15% gun dmg at 5/5 plus fucks with Pimpernel or any other spread shots due to the projectile speed
If you just plan on using Beehawk or Beefist (basically guns without much spread mechs), then you can grab it but I dont think its valuable
tiny thorn
@rough galleon
This is what I've got now.
8 skill points remaining.
rough galleon
yeah, feel free to spend it anywhere
tiny thorn
yeah, feel free to spend it anywhere
1 in Inertia,
2 in Flicker,
3 in Sweet Release..
Leaves me with 2 points.
Life Tap?
tiny thorn
Will Sweet Release allow multiple orbs to heal a single target?
rough galleon
can, its really random
its probs not going to go to who you want most of the time but its 15% each so its pretty strong if it does
tiny thorn
It's just me & my son.
Wondering if more than 2 orbs is overHeal.. haha, get what I did there?
OverKill... OverHEAL..
wind token
Personally I would drop the chance to reflect skill myself, I usually just use i...
Its an insane survivability skill
As well as ward and inertia
rough galleon
is it consistent dmg reduction?
I only assume so with 5/5 and you need to get a kill for it
tiny thorn
Ok, this is what I have now..
Perfect??
tiny thorn
idk if its "perfect"
Would 2 less in Sweet Release & 2 more in either Sustenance or Life Tap be better??
rough galleon
what Im saying is I dont usually play for "perfection"
a lot of my builds are tailored to me or with friends and what I gave before is what I will use
wind token
I only assume so with 5/5 and you need to get a kill for it
i'd take 5/5 yes
also, with trickster you can make it 100% reduction
rough galleon
tbf, I use Fleet to get out rather than tank when playing Maya so I guess its just a diff playstyle
let me just double check my two mayas :V
wind token
i'm just saying it's insane survivability
if you have anything different that also works without making your playstyle too passive then you're good to go
rough galleon
ya, my two diff builds just dont use Kinetic Reflection (both are also missing points in strong skills)
first is aggro jumping with Thoughtlock
and second is just a support
diff playstyle /shrug
tall surge
is it consistent dmg reduction?
Its dmg reduction when it reflect
So whenever its active since its 100%
Also when you have 10 points in KR, you take no damage from bullets when it is active
11/5 heals you
rough galleon
icic, thanks for the claficiation
wind token
So whenever its active since its 100%
only with trickster iirc
wind token
the reflection chance yes, the damage reduction i meant
tiny thorn
@wind token & @tall surge
Would you change anything here?
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This is mostly for supporting my son's character but I also want to be able to do a little damage, lol.
wind token
you have cloud kill lmao
tall surge
Also when you have 10 points in KR, you take no damage from bullets when it is a...
Or you can use a Gemstone gun and reach -130% damage reduction on reflection when KR is active at 5/5
wind token
i dont think damage will be your problem
tiny thorn
you have cloud kill lmao
Cloudkill good or Cloudkill bad?
wind token
insanely good
tiny thorn
It's a good D&D spell
wind token
what i would go with is this https://bl2skills.com/siren.html#505001550055155100513550510511
rough galleon
busted even
tiny thorn
what i would go with is this https://bl2skills.com/siren.html#505001550055155100...
Trade Reflect for Sweet Release & Life Tap?
You don't think that's OverHeal?
wind token
with the sheer amount of damage in late game i dont think that's a thing, especially without KR
trading inertia for KR and life tap for restoration also works https://bl2skills.com/siren.html#505501050055555100013550510511
tiny thorn
I'm not that keen on Scorn..
Seems like a looong ass Cooldown.
wind token
this is a UVHM build so you NEED slag
tiny thorn
IDK if we're gonna make it to UVHM.
wind token
you can just rotate between phaselock and scorn
if phaselock is down, use scorn
if scorn is down, use phaselock
tiny thorn
I'm gonna try to convince him to do TVHM but he likes to finish a story and move on to another.
wind token
I'm gonna try to convince him to do TVHM but he likes to finish a story and move...
uhh normal mode changes things
tiny thorn
I'm preparing for UVHM but not expecting it
wind token
this might work up to lvl 30 https://bl2skills.com/siren.html#000000000005503100000505010000
Or rather, should do it
tiny thorn
Thank you for all the help
rough galleon
Cloud Kill is strong enough to be able to kill majority of NVHM alone /playdead
tiny thorn
(I have to address Nipples or they uncloth)
That was you, right? Haha
rough galleon
it used to be trash, now its one of Maya's best skills
wind token
Thank you for all the help
it's important to note that there's no single best option and all others are trash, there are variations that all work out
tiny thorn
it's important to note that there's no single best option and all others are tra...
Yeah, I just don't to waste my last 10 points on skills where they could be spent better.
wind token
Yeah, I just don't to waste my last 10 points on skills where they could be spen...
as long as you dont put it into trash skills you're good
tiny thorn
as long as you dont put it into trash skills you're good
My last build was kinda balanced.
This time I'm not focusing on damage at all really, mainly just taking most things that relate to Phaselock.
In regards to Slag, can Maya just use a Sniper or the Slagga? What other weapons might I want on her?
I've heard she's a decent sniper.
tawdry shell
i mean sniping is kinda hard on high anarchy
tiny thorn
I could take 3 out of Kinetic to get the Slag melee.
tiny thorn
i mean sniping is kinda hard on high anarchy
I'm building Maya to support my son's Axton.
@tawdry shell
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tawdry shell
oh maya
i just read the last part with gaige and sniping so i was confused
maya is really nice with snipers yea
tiny thorn
My bad!
I've been talking about Gaige so much, haha.
I meant Maya.
So what weapons kill for her?
tawdry shell
other then the cat com boosting SMG stuff specifically i've always felt she's pretty much like a generalist? you can kinda use whatever
once you get chain reaction though some weapons shine a bit more
pimp cause how many bullets you get outta it, torgue shotguns just feel nice with the effect, etc
besides that specific skill though anything goes really
tiny thorn
other then the cat com boosting SMG stuff specifically i've always felt she's pr...
I'm planning on using š¦µ Nurse, šŖ Trickster and maybe š¦µ Binder.
tawdry shell
trickster is usually my go to when mobbing
real oracle
imagine if some weapons got their splash radius increased exponentially with chain reaction that would be funny i think
tiny thorn
imagine if some weapons got their splash radius increased exponentially with cha...
Increase explosive bullet & grenade radius by .1% for every Bloodstack.