Just slap a crystal effect on the XY models
#Pokemon Scarlet-Violet Spoiler Thread
remote compass
oblique lodge
What if we actually got a gen
Without a dumb gimmick
And just more cool mons instead
If only
ionic fjord
every mon got a new one starting with PLA iirc
it’s more noticeable on Charizard, Mewtwo and a few others
remote compass
Is it?
ionic fjord
Ye
remote compass
I thought they were the XY ones again
still fiber
That's because that was supposed to be a part of the main story that they cut and will sell as DLC
We have a bunch of it in the files still
ionic fjord
Ok discord is calling it explicit content for some reason
oblique lodge
What you posting 
remote compass
I do thing internally, at least part of the reason they did Tera is to show they can use the models for as long as they want
remote compass
Just slap a shitty filter on them and go "oh new gimmick"
oblique lodge
I wonder if we get more paradoxes with dlc
still fiber
We will
oblique lodge
They should go more in on the whole time travel thing
ionic fjord
Yes
still fiber
We will be getting legendary paradoxes sand
ionic fjord
We’re getting a Paradox of the 3 dogs and musketeers
still fiber
We will
remote compass
Supposedly mega is coming back in the DLC
Which would be weird because about half the mega mons are cut
ionic fjord
Megas existing would explain why there’s like
still fiber
I assume suicune virizon will probably be turbo banned in showdown
ionic fjord
no forms for Tera
oblique lodge
I assume suicune virizon will probably be turbo banned in showdown
720 bst suicune 🙏
remote compass
I wonder if you can tera a mega
ionic fjord
What would a beast paradox even be typed as
the musketeer one will prob be fighting/smth
remote compass
Probably water/electric
crystal iron
First ever 3 type Pokemon
remote compass
Or fire/water
remote compass
First ever 3 type Pokemon
Dhelmise
oblique lodge
3 type would be cool
still fiber
Supposedly mega is coming back in the DLC
Wasn't the leak saying that the difference is that megas don't have a legendary directly tied to them?
oblique lodge
I really don't get why they stopped with megas
still fiber
Basically telling people the first DLC will go over the weird turtle legendary
oblique lodge
It's like the most perfect scalable mechanic no?
remote compass
Wasn't the leak saying that the difference is that megas don't have a legendary ...
Yes, but you can also search by ability in game. And notably, Parental Bond and the Primals are searchable
oblique lodge
Just make more things get more money
crystal iron
I'm just going to start adding "except Dhelmise" to everything I write
remote compass
Yeah, just add a handful of new megas every gen and you're golden
ionic fjord
Actually new megas would be cool
oblique lodge
Give some of the newly introduced mons megas too, perfectly scaleable
oblique lodge
Just balance it
still fiber
I would honestly prefer if they stopped with the gimmicks and let paradoxes take over megas
ionic fjord
Sorry need
crystal iron
I would honestly prefer if the Paradoxes weren't garbage design-wise
oblique lodge
I wish paradoxes had their own abilities
crystal iron
Say what you will about the gameplay balance of Megas, but they had cool designs
still fiber
The paradoxes aren't tied to it
oblique lodge
I hate the "20 mons with beast boost" design
still fiber
That's like
crystal iron
I wish paradoxes had their own abilities
that too
still fiber
The whole cliffhanger
At the end of the game
Because the journal that's much older than the time machine had already reports of paradoxes
So they are also coming from somewhere else
oblique lodge
Didn't hydreigon fall in love with a robot
still fiber
They go over that at the end of the academy side story
ionic fjord
What I wanna know is
remote compass
Megas also buffed some bad mons like Mawhile and Slowbro
oblique lodge
If your argument against megas was "they aren't balanced"
ionic fjord
Was the game so rushed that tinkaton, charcadet line and the new evils listed in the dex after the box legends were just
last last minute decisions
oblique lodge
Idk why gf couldn't just like, balance them
ionic fjord
and why is Baxcalibur so early
oblique lodge
There's nothing inherently wrong with the mechanic
uncut sleet
Hey; Slowbro’s not bad
still fiber
The new evils have a very good explanation to be there
balmy monolith
Megas also buffed some bad mons like Mawhile and Slowbro
slowbro is not bad lol
uncut sleet
And Galarian slowbro fucks
remote compass
OH MY GOD! The new bird fixes the thing....
still fiber
There's probably even cut content regarding them
remote compass
Why did they mess it up then
remote compass
slowbro is not bad lol
True, meant sableye
uncut sleet
Who’s the new evils again
still fiber
The 4 Chinese dudes
crystal iron
Who’s the new evils again
Sword weasel, bucket goat, tablet snail, and uuh
still fiber
They were gifts to the old palden emperor
crystal iron
The fish
still fiber
That got tainted by evil each time they were passed down to another tyrant
Until they turned into monsters
still fiber
Just because of that paradox virizion will be grass dark
oblique lodge
Imagine how sick oongaboongus would've been if it was like dark poison idk
uncut sleet
We need alolan raichuw
still fiber
Oongaboongus is pretty sick
remote compass
Nah give him a mega that turns him into a whole ship
crystal iron
Nah give him a mega that turns him into a whole ship
Either is acceptable
still fiber
Just give it spore rage powder sucker punch and close combat
Watch the world burn after you set up tailwind
uncut sleet
I havent seen annihilape in doubles yet
But last I checked, his support move set sucks
still fiber
I want to know how the dude leading eelektross corviknight plans on pressuring anyone
plush frigate
pop bomb makes rage fist hit hard
uncut sleet
How do you even get gimmick off when mouse gets faked out in half the matches
plush frigate
I've yet to get faked out on maushold
still fiber
How do you even get gimmick off when mouse gets faked out in half the matches
You play against people leading with eel corv
Smh
uncut sleet
Yeah if half your matches aren’t arcanine + x leads
crystal iron
Hydreigon was originally designed after a tank
so naturally the Paradox future version is a tank, and not just a robot dragon
remote compass
Sorry that's too creative for a paradox
still fiber
Helping hand arcanine is my God rn tho
remote compass
It's metal instead
uncut sleet
I saw nite + chien a couple of times, legitly just fake out the dragonite, 1 shot the chien
still fiber
People aren't on sash????
uncut sleet
I think extreme speed dragonite is extremely cope in doubles
plush frigate
oof they didnt realize 
uncut sleet
Yeah they’re on sash, but it’s w.e
balmy monolith
pop bomb makes rage fist hit hard
wouldnt it be better to use beat up for that? since rage fist maxes at 300
remote compass
Wait does Anger Point cap?
uncut sleet
Scream tail might soon become my god though
remote compass
Could you population bomb Tauros for the funny
still fiber
Speed control good
remote compass
Although I don't think either Paldean Tauros is quite good
still fiber
Sun tr teams look nasty
Tailwind needs a lot of optimization but I think the best ones rn are amongus, arcanine, moon cores
plush frigate
poison strat o.o
ionic fjord
@remote compass @crystal iron
remote compass
That'd be way sicker than what we got
crystal iron
Creativity detected, deploying Hydreigon-tank
remote compass
Could go dark/fighting with it (tanks are fighting)
remote compass
I'd be cool with it keeping one of its types, and steel is kinda boring for paradox
crystal iron
tru
ionic fjord
Dark/Electric?
remote compass
Fighting fits because tank
Or electric
Or fire
Actually do we have a non-mega electric/dragon?
No, right?
crystal iron
Dracozolt, Miraidon
twin edge
and theres the Zekrom
crystal iron
ope, you said non-mega
ionic fjord
Tbf I think the future paradoxes in general are very silly
Just in sheer concept
So like why not lean into it
bleak gazelle
tera is based
ionic fjord
It’s just like
remote compass
Oh right I forgot about zekrom
still fiber
Only paradox that doesn't feel like there was 5 minutes of thought put into it was iron valiant
ionic fjord
“These are the descendants of Pokemon like a billion years into the future also they’re all robots also they look exactly like the original for some reason idk they were designed that way”
Iron Valiant is cool yea
Idm them as much
crystal iron
I feel like Iron Treads would be cooler to me if it was permanently a wheel
remote compass
I think they're overall p boring, but valiant is okay
balmy monolith
there is a theory about the paradox mons
balmy monolith
yes
swift pumice
they are just approximation based in what the professors think
crystal iron
But Moth, Hands, Jugulis, Thorns, and Bundle are just horribly uncreative
So the daddy Professor has a shit imagination
balmy monolith
between how the old team found them before the invention of the time machine, the way the third legendary is still missing and how the time machine was powered by terastalization
along how the monsters all come from a book in the present...
crystal iron
Scientist: I will now make the most powerful Psychic-type ever to exist
Iron Valiant: Fairy/Fighting
balmy monolith
But Moth, Hands, Jugulis, Thorns, and Bundle are just horribly uncreative
moth is really cool, it's wings float and are solar panels with a pattern of the sun on it
still fiber
Iron valiant is on my top 10 mons this gen tho
remote compass
Even Koraidon has a cooler name because Miraidon is just Iron Dragon
still fiber
The way they fused mega Gardevoir and galade is super cool
remote compass
Koraidon is what, Winged King?
swift pumice
the best psychic type is fairy fighting is comical but accurate
still fiber
And the way the blades turn into an energy glaive is also amazing
crystal iron
Iron Serpent is Miraidon btw
remote compass
Oh still boring
crystal iron
moth is really cool, it's wings float and are solar panels with a pattern of the...
are they actually solar panels? that's cool if true
balmy monolith
jugulis i get as the idea they had was that the heads are holograms but it was very difficult to tell that lol
brave igloo
Future jigglypuff called Iron Lung
balmy monolith
are they actually solar panels? that's cool if true
yeah they are
remote compass
1970s Hydreigon named Deep Throat
brave igloo
Flutter Mane is supposed to be a Pterosaur
Yeah can’t you tell they wanted to put Ridley in Pokémon 
remote compass
I like the idea that Pokemon Nixon was brought down by a guy named Deep Jugulis
balmy monolith
jugulis is very funny because apparently the heads are holograms so the actual body is just a bunch of necks
thus the name "iron jugulis" (iron necks)
crystal iron
Also Iron Bundle, despite being from the Future, was actually built in the past
still fiber
That makes iron jugulis worse somehow
remote compass
Well that explains why Bundle got banned
still fiber
Maybe
remote compass
All the good ones are from the past
still fiber
Since it's from a billion years in the future
Bundle was built in the present
Which is an ancient past for them
balmy monolith
iron valiant is by far the coolest of the future mons cause its a fusion of the entire ralts line
it has features from ralts, kirlia, gardevoir, gallade, mega gallade and mega gardevoir
in fact i would argue valiant is by far the coolest one from all the paradoxes
ionic fjord
It’s not the coolest one because that’s Koraidon
still fiber
Penis dragon is the coolest one
crystal iron
Also I feel like Game Freak didn't really grasp how long a time 1 billion years is
balmy monolith
or maybe they did and it's just a hint towards the fact they arent actually :v
crystal iron
Like I don't think there was life on land 1 billion years ago
crystal iron
Actually
I don't think there was even multicellular life 1 billion years ago
The Cambrian Explosion was 540 million years ago
still fiber
Like I don't think there was life on land 1 billion years ago
We didn't even have animals 1 billion years ago
crystal iron
ye
still fiber
It was all primitive algae
balmy monolith
recent studies have found that land life began around 530 million years ago
balmy monolith
Unless Pokemon is set really far into the future
its possible
still fiber
Maybe
balmy monolith
"The first evidence of multicellular organization, which is when unicellular organisms coordinate behaviors and may be an evolutionary precursor to true multicellularity, is from cyanobacteria-like organisms that lived 3.0–3.5 billion years ago."
crystal iron
crystal iron
Professor Violet was reading some Hydreigon/Robot Slash Fiction the night before he went into the time machine
balmy monolith
i feel like there's too many hints at the time machine not actually being a time machine
the most apparent one is that some of the paradox mons were found by the expedition team long before the time machine's invention
crystal iron
Time Machine leaking
uncut sleet
The missing legendary IS the Time Machine
balmy monolith
The missing legendary IS the Time Machine
that's another theory people had
that the missing legendary is the giant machine we went inside of
uncut sleet
And rather, than it being an actual Time Machine, that legendary makes new Pokémon in his image (which varies from his current form and his past form)
That’s why the paradoxes don’t have a Normal naming convention
balmy monolith
that's the theory for both theories
uncut sleet
You’re the theory for all theories
Anyways, the story was good enough this Gen, that being excited for how they close it out in the 2 dlc’s should be fun
sour pulsar
Only paradox that doesn't feel like there was 5 minutes of thought put into it w...
Iron hands tho
uncut sleet
Iron hands is good, needle is just hating
sour pulsar
Eh
bleak gazelle
iron hands is funny
sinful sapphire
bleak gazelle
sandy shocks looks fire
crystal iron
(incorrect)
pearl hinge
Right, it looks ground
finite plover
Ohhhh, sandy shock is electric ground, yeah that made so much more sense
Apparently I’m stupid enough to not notice the ‘sandy’ part of the name 
balmy monolith
Fun fact: if you use a fire attack with scovillain it attacks with the green head
Any other attack is done by the red one
uncut sleet
@still fiber I was inspired yesterday after seeing Cetitan + Abomasnow and Indeedee-F + Hattarene
fallow reef
gen 9 random battles when
uncut sleet
Hmm maybe gyarados and kingambit aren’t the moves here
Going to try doggo
- a special attacker
still fiber
The mane of flutter
still fiber
Iron bundle then
Chilly reception seems like such a good move
But then only fucking slowking learns it
uncut sleet
You say that as if slowking isn’t a beast
still fiber
You say that as if slowking isn’t a beast
If only 1 mon has it you know when to expect the move, spread the weather into switch move and it becomes insane for weather control, I hope we get more of it
Fuck off into sun/rain in a bunch of mons
rustic raft
remote compass
Man it must suck for Arven when everyone thinks both his parents are hot
Wait, are Sada and Turo both his parents in both versions or is it just the one
rustic raft
Wait, are Sada and Turo both his parents in both versions or is it just the one
both his parents
remote compass
So by choosing your version, you pick ||which of his parents die||
rustic raft
Honestly no wonder Arven has that fabulous hair
crystal iron
I feel dumb for not realising Scarlet and Violet are a Red and Blue reference
remote compass
You, the player, ||actively chose to kill one of Arven's parents for a lizard||
crystal iron
It's Gen1 all the way down
rustic raft
It's Gen1 all the way down
gen 3, 4, 6 & 8 are too
uncut sleet
You, the player, ||actively chose to kill one of Arven's parents for a lizard||
That's a damn ||sexy lizard||
also, better the ||parents|| than Arven's sweet ||dog||
remote compass
But is your||lizard worth murder?||
crystal iron
gen 3, 4, 6 & 8 are too
Ruby & Sapphire are definitely references to Red and Blue, but are at least a little bit separated from the concept
Pearl and Diamond tho?
uncut sleet
But is your||lizard worth murder?||
Are my pets worth murder? Yes.
remote compass
I love that the second you get Arven's dog to feel better, you go "welp time to beat the shit out of the dog"
rustic raft
Pearl and Diamond tho?
palkia's pinkish hues and dialga's blue
swift pumice
no need to hide spoilers in this chat tbh
or at least nothing besides huge huge spoilers to things unreleased ig
crystal iron
palkia's pinkish hues and dialga's blue
And Giratina's yellow
remote compass
Yeah I only figured I'd spoiler it because it's the finale of the game
remote compass
Also, these are the least legendary legendaries yet
Like most legendaries are the god of something
These are time traveling lizards
rustic raft
I mean yeah
crystal iron
Pokémon Legends: Regigigas when
rustic raft
they're meant to be paradox cyclizar
crystal iron
With a new hidden ability for Regigigas
rustic raft
they're more like on the level of
crystal iron
Truant
edgy garnet
I don't think there's anything official about Sada and Turo both being Arven's parents in both versions
but it's not hard to come to that conclusion
balmy frigate
rustic raft
remote compass
RIP
balmy monolith
The psyduck caught in the crossfire lol
rustic raft
twin edge
You know I was initially in the camp of ban Tera cuz adaptability on everything + super coverage sounded dumb
It still is no doubt, but the mechanic is really fun
brave igloo
Same as Parry
Less so on being fun and moreso on that it isn’t anywhere as dumb as Dynamax
twin edge
Tbf I think Z moves should have been banned
ebon path
i feel like z moves were fine since you had to dedicate a held item to them and you can only do it once
with dynamax you don't have to plan it out in advance like that
you can just do it at any time with no real opportunity cost
balmy monolith
didnt z moves eventually get banned in gen 7 ou during gen 8 era?
rustic raft
Did they?
balmy monolith
Hmmm cant find anything about it so i might just be misremembering due to gems getting banned in gen 5 ou after years
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/gems-in-bw-ou.3703711/ (here was the gem ban btw)
sour pulsar
Yea, for now, z crystal are only being discussed atm
ripe oxide
Damn Meowscarada actually good?
brave igloo
Skeledirge ahead of Quaquaval 
finite plover
Damn Meowscarada actually good?
I thought that was set in stone since the moment they reveal it’s Hidden ability 
sour pulsar
Shoutouts to my boy being on number 9
rustic raft
balmy monolith
garganacl being below toxapex is criminal
especially since garg just clowns on toxapex in the 1v1
uncut sleet
My rellor refuses to evolve, any idea why?
I’m pretty sure I’m well over the 1000 steps
twin edge
did you have it out
twin edge
Considering its been 2 weeks, I am going to be locking this thread later today
uncut sleet
Sounds good to me