think its just cuz what they had planned for him wasnt gonna be ready soon and they didnt wanna keep him and braum in standard for sth happening 6+ months later
#Legends of Runeterra
wispy latch
but assumedly he will move into standard next rotation
I think nocturne is still the most whack
Kept in standard but hasnt recieved a single support card 2 expansions in
slim jacinth
Noc is just confusing in general
Because he is the face a of a deck they don't want to exist
Nightfall is aggro, especially with Noc, but they don't want SI aggro
wispy latch
yep
wispy latch
kinda weird how most of eternal just boils down to who has more stats
naive nebula
Not on timelines smh
naive nebula
Kinda crazy how all the good decks in eternal are just RNG value piles
naive nebula
Yeah eternal is just value pile v value pile
muted olive
I'm just chilling w varus riven in standard til I hit masters
Been playing for a few days and plat 4 -> d2 so far
I wanna just have a long session playing but quick rounds here & there is nice
Helps that the deck aims to end the game between round 5-7
It's so funny though. People don't think they'll die but then you deal 20 damage out of nowhere on 6
Also ranger cultist is fukced to play against
Idk what I'll play in eternal yet but probably some other combo deck. I don't want 10+ min games lol
And aggro isn't r my flavor
muted olive
I was so confused by the Chief nakotek but then I remembered timelines lol
naive nebula
That Targon card needs a nerf so bad lmao
muted olive
can freljord have an actual deck for once. liss was ages ago man they already paid for her sins
and the region was trash before her too. sigh
naive nebula
The best deck in the game is "Freljord"
In that it runs all of 6 freljord cards, 2 non-dupes
But yeah, freljord could use a buff
And Targon can use a nerf
Targon, PZ, Ionia and Noxus get whatever they want while Freljord and SI get nothing
wispy latch
i feel like freljord in eternal is quite decent
in standard however its like ashe lb sometimes is ok and thats it lol
naive nebula
Freljord has the best two drop in the game in eternal
Legitimately the fact that troll chant can give an entire archetype a 50% win rate is insane
wispy latch
troll chant is crazy
on that note i think braum vlad is way better than stats suggest
naive nebula
Troll Chat is an INSANE card
naive nebula
This deck is crazy
Love how much removal is wasted on Fiora like mageseeker junior isn't the real champion here
They passed a round because they targon tellstones with 5 open manan and realized they couldn't play the card
naive nebula
Mageseeker Junior is my favorite champion
naive nebula
I've won with her twice now wtf
muted olive
i misread that card
thought u had to choose between invoking a high cost or halving all celestials
turns out you get both 
muted olive
i misread that card
the new card. don't remember the name
naive nebula
Yeah it's fucking stupid
I think it needs to go to slow speed
The new deck with it also runs sump monument and starlit epiphany so it can't lose
I think the hits tho are new card goes to slow, living legends restores equal to however much you paid for it
stone saddle
Bro they don’t need to obliterate asol like that
naive nebula
Just buff asol then
These decks aren't playing him
They play Zoe and a filler PnZ champ
naive nebula
Yeah they can do whatever they want. Lost to one that misplayed all game because they just get too much value
The deck literally gets to do everything
Need removal? Generate it with a celestial? Healing and draw? Maindecked. Wincon? Make a celestial game winner
naive nebula
Not sure Nilah is that strong
But historically 2 drop champions have been good
All of her support just kinda feels random?
If we can maindeck slipstream it's the best part of the package
If not, it's the 4 drop
The subreddit is over hyping here and saying she's Samira 2.0 so I know she's bad lmao
I remember when they revealed Samira and they went "oh she's fine, might see play as an enabler for some challenger stuff"
Also her lore is that she's hunting volibear
slim jacinth
Wtf is updraft
naive nebula
Shuffle it into the deck. It costs 1 less when you draw it
Assumedly it's Janna's keyword
grave zodiac
oh is spell bildgewater back on the menu?
naive nebula
Looks like it
slim jacinth
Ive noticed people are super overhyping Vikrash
naive nebula
It's sorta just a worse zap sorayfin
naive nebula
Ah yes
Because formidable needed a better fight spell
That BC card is gonna be annoying
Capsize might be okay. Telsi might be okay
Shurima Daybreak is weird
And Watery Grave is unplayable
That card literally does nothing
Wait they're elites too
muted olive
didn't think we'd get the fabled elite and daybreak shurima cards in 1 day
naive nebula
Time for Leona Nidalee value piles
wispy latch
sounds hot
naive nebula
Unironically gentleman's duel is the strongest one revealed
It's sort of a troll chant for Demacia
wispy latch
shuriman daybreak was anticipated for a long time tbh
elitw however caught me by suprise
naive nebula
Okay the new Janna design is great
She's actually a goddess now
Here's her package
naive nebula
People were hyping Nilah but I think Janna stands out as way stronger
slim jacinth
I like that it keeps the recognisable elements of her original design without being too hornybait
naive nebula
Harder to level up but permanent reduction to all costs is CRAZY
slim jacinth
Its also just a nice dress
naive nebula
Oh yeah Janna feels insane
I mean the second they went "New PnZ champ" it was coming
Because historically every PnZ champ has seen at least some meta play
wispy latch
also maryam is just broken as hell
wispy latch
Yeah
naive nebula
Every spell deck ever wants that
wispy latch
its completely broken
naive nebula
It's "free" turn 2
wispy latch
on my first read I thought it refills 1 mana lol
naive nebula
And then you can play your mana out and still have a curve into any spells you're looking for
Why did they give Heimer/Jayce a 2 drop that lets them cheat a turn of passing
wispy latch
i think they made these cards super good to avoid janna just being jammed into sera bar pile
naive nebula
Wait is there a formatting issue or is Mayam not craftable?
wispy latch
but maryam is just way too good
wispy latch
Wait is there a formatting issue or is Mayam not craftable?
wdym
naive nebula
She doesn't have a rarity
wispy latch
oh i see what you mean
naive nebula
God I hope she's not craftable
wispy latch
its an epic I saw it earlier
naive nebula
Oh fuck
wispy latch
i feel like janna yi could be cool
naive nebula
Heimer Jayce already had curve into a 6/6 t3
But now they can drop the 1 drop, then Miyam, then the 6 drop on t3 and never pass a turn
wispy latch
0% chance heimer jayce doesnt eat a nerf
naive nebula
Yeah no way they let the deck have the safest curve known to man and also the ability to play a 6 drop t3
grave zodiac
Wow that Janna redesign looks hella nice
naive nebula
These guys seem kinda bad
Unless you can pick any of the 4
In which case they're decent
Although I don't like the idea of every region getting a homogenized silence, heal, and removal spell
I think this is a bad idea for long term
gilded pike
what champ is this one supposed to be?
naive nebula
None, they're a variety theme like the tellstones
Although I think they're way less healthy of a design than the tellstones
muted olive
should be random or pick 1 of 2 imo
i'm okay with equipment / landmark removal being more accessible but not too fond the mini quicksand we got going on there
naive nebula
Mini quicksand and a stabilizer against aggro
The game has already had the issue of everything moving to more midrangey stuff
And this makes it even worse
muted olive
aggro has been almost non-existent this entire year (from what i've seen) lmao
but i can't speak for eternal
naive nebula
I think I'd like the explorer cards to be fleeting
wispy latch
100% agree
naive nebula
The dev thought process was "we want abilities that are good but not too worth it"
But the issue is bad abilities become better when you put them on the same card
gilded pike
I wonder if these will be nerfed to 3 mana in the future
naive nebula
I can't see a way they're not
But honestly, I feel like they've also gotta make the cards fleeting
I dunno, I feel like there's too much versatility
wispy latch
I just dont see how any expensive landmark deck can exist if you can just drop these guys turn 3
I think equipment decks are gonna be fine because they are extremely high tempo and these cards are pretty low tempo answers
but for landmark stuff looks pretty rough
naive nebula
I think the biggest issue is they kill landmarks, equipment, have a combat trick, and stabilize against aggro
It's all 4 on the same card
So you don't even have to worry about it being a dead draw in specific matchups
I can't see it not killing landmark decks and low-to-the-ground aggro
Like you can just drop one against something like annie/jhin and you get a blocker an they passed a turn
Versatility makes bad effects very good
gilded pike
yeah this is just a swiss knife, idk why you ever wouldn't run it
unless the cards were that below rate, but all of these tied to a body seem way too efficient
portal pioneer with attune and armed acquisitioner with 3/1 stats look like the most promising
tbh they all look promising, maybe the bw/pz one is a bit wonky but elusive is a good keyword
naive nebula
Also you can run up to 6
Based on your region combo
Realistically you probably only run like 4
But having 4 is still insane
naive nebula
Volibear package
Ursine seems really good
Oh wait I remembered that landmarks are dead
Nevermind
naive nebula
Titanic is units with 8+ power and/or health
Oh woops Voli got leaked
Play: Activate his skill 3 times. His skill is make it rain, but 4 damage
Level up: Round end, you've done 50+ damage
Level 2 it becomes play or attack and he gives everything overwhelm
His spell is 4 damage to everybody except titans
Caprina is "When you cast an elemental spell or skill forge me"
The 3 cost spell is "Draw 1. summon a sigil"
Sky splitter is "Give an ally +1/+3 this round"
Clash of the Giants is "Summon 2 random titans. I cost 1 less for each elemental spell or skill played this game (maximum of 10)"
Overall seems like he's not very good
Especially considering the explorers exist
Also yeah, an 8 cost nightfall card feels awful
Also a 7 cost ramp guy feels bad too?
Like by the time I've got to 7 do I really wanna be ramping
wispy latch
i think giving freljord something new late gamey to do was important though
Daybreak/nightfall guy seems like an ok 1 of in daybreak
grave zodiac
Is taliyah still in rotation
wispy latch
ye
grave zodiac
Maybe it’s time I come back
wispy latch
she is in standard
grave zodiac
Perfect
muted olive
Voli looks game ending once you drop him. But also weird bc you def need to ramp into him and his surrounding cards aren't spectacular
Sigil thing is interesting but idk why landmark since that makes it significantly weaker lol
wispy latch
Yeah I like voli himself but the whole cards around him feel super mid
naive nebula
I like voli but I don't think you touch his package
Probably just play him in a swain deck that's looking to end the game
His sigils being landmarks makes them actually terrible now, especially considering the whole explorer set
gilded pike
fuckin finally we have a 9 cost champ lol
naive nebula
I'm honestly surprised we just now get a "all your cards have overwhelm" card
naive nebula
Huh Demacia has the most Titanic cards
Wait the Titanic summon spell is ASS then
If it can randomly hit Wise Fry or the Arsenal
muted olive
lot of nutso hits like big cithria, tianna, brightsteel then 80% cards you wouldn't even play normally
but at least it summons 2 so you have double the chances of a decent hit
imagine cithria + mageseeker lol
gilded pike
wait I just realized in theory you could use the new landmark to hardcast the watcher in theory 
naive nebula
So I theoried something incredibly dumb that's got like an 80% WR
Teemo/Neeko/Caitlyn
It's basically just elusives with Neeko as a wincon
This should not work
PZ aggro feels wrong
grave zodiac
lol
I take a 8 month break and lurk is still meta
wild
it's also just the same exact deck with a 1 card difference
wispy latch
Meta in the sense of tourney play no
meta in sense of ladder frequenter yes
i was thinking about swain voli then remembered the swain nerf
and got very annoyed
naive nebula
I was thinking Swain Voli too
But yeah, it's probably not there
I don't think Voli is gonna have a home for a while
Maybe Taliyah, but I dunno landmarks are gonna feel bad with the explorers
I'm honestly pretty confident the explorers are gonna hurt the game a bit
wispy latch
i agree yea
gilded pike
https://reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/s/O2TCAfl8t7 @naive nebula
wispy latch
Daybreak kinda eats shit against all the greedy voli decks on ladder rn
but i think in a more settled meta its probably ok
naive nebula
Greedy Voli decks you say?
Ez wins time
I'm thinking Neeko Janna
My testing really did show that Neeko is almost there
grave zodiac
So after reading all these cards
Is that 2 drops flejord spell that buffs 1/3 not insane
naive nebula
It doesn't work for me
naive nebula
Wait which spell
wispy latch
Yeah the new buff for frel is pretty good
i think funnily enough its a pretty big buff to ashe lb
grave zodiac
Wait which spell
Like it’s just a sharp sight without the elusive block
But the stats are hella relevant
And the low cost makes it so difficult to play around
naive nebula
Oh yeah that seems insane
muted olive
how is it that i can never play when a new patch out
always some server issues
zzz
wispy latch
illaoi voli is pretty cool
naive nebula
Okay Samira/Nilah is stupid as hell
Fuck this deck
Love dumb infinite combos
Wow FUCK THAT
naive nebula
Yeah i don't think she's good
wispy latch
formidable is kinda silly sometimes now ngl
naive nebula
They gave it a fucking fight spell
Gonna try and solve Janna Bard
I tried Janna/Neeko/Teemo
But it sucked
I'm gonna break neeko one day
grave zodiac
I hope Volibear wins xD. I’m a Volibear main and he’s just so fun!! People get so trolled by the turret disable, and his voice lines are so cute like when he sings about the end of mortals LOL! He’s super random but also smarter than he looks, just like me xD
gilded pike
volibear could smother me with those thick bear pecs
slim jacinth
grave zodiac
I could have sworn there was a lor client for mac
wispy latch
nop
but geforce now works prerty good
on mac
i did that sometimes
its very silly since lol does run on mac
its cuz lor is made with unity i think
grave zodiac
tragic
naive nebula
It got a 6/6 brash tech you can drop t3 now
And a 2 drop that refills your spell mana
gilded pike
it has always been good, that's why I said "this entire time"
I just returned to the game recently
naive nebula
That's how I'm feeling with formidable now
Deck is WILD now
Why'd they give it a buff fight spell
glossy flare
It got a 6/6 brash tech you can drop t3 now
Woah.
grave zodiac
@naive nebula let me get your formidable list, I need a deck to play for ladder
I just came back to the game also
naive nebula
<@187296211814842370> let me get your formidable list, I need a deck to play for...
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grave zodiac
ty
naive nebula
It's Galio/Voli
naive nebula
Lmao Samira got nerfed for the what. 5th time?
wispy latch
she has to be dead that nerf is the biggest single card nerf in a while
naive nebula
People have said that about her for her past 3 nerfs
Here's hoping she's finally actually dead tho
naive nebula
True. It finally sorta kills flair
wispy latch
like you cant turn 2 challemge kill anymore
wispy latch
that was like 90% of her strength in decks that dont play hard into her rally
naive nebula
The balan nerf kills the card
wispy latch
Unneeded nerf on balen imo formidable was already falling off
naive nebula
Honestly
wispy latch
but doesnt seem dead to me
naive nebula
Balan was hard carrying the deck
wispy latch
its maybe healthier to buff formid somewhere else
wispy latch
im just down to play some jack
naive nebula
The illaoi nerf is rude as hell
What did she do to deserve that
Unironically tho what did Pyke do to deserve that
wispy latch
Man im torn cuz i think the game needs a cookie cutter ctrl deck like jayce in the meta but turn 3 scraptrap was so TOXIC for some decks
wispy latch
Pyke is like the only interesting lurk card idk why he eats the nerf
Nerf baccai honestly
naive nebula
4 -> 5 mana on death from below unironically kills the card
Yeah Baccai was the issue
I'm honestly so mad about the pyke nerf
Like that's... fucking ridiculous
I know lurkers were always in and out of the meta but they've always been fair imo
wispy latch
Im not much of a lurker but pyke is by far the coolest lurk card so its just kinda shitty
naive nebula
Ive fully prismaticed lurk
It's one of my favorite decks because it's always playable
And hitting Pyke just feels awful
wispy latch
the omen hawk change is wild
naive nebula
Especially considering lurk is never getting new cards for some reason
wispy latch
that one caught me offguard
naive nebula
I kinda want a lurker formidable
Make it "Lurk grants me +0/+1 instead"
Since lurkers desperately need a defensive option
Especially now that Pyke is dead
Death From Below was our most defensive card
Straight up the pyke nerf is insane to me
merry prairie
naive nebula
I kinda love that illaoi
wispy latch
THE KAISER IS REAL
gilded pike
@muted olive it's time
naive nebula
I kinda hate this design
Sure he's a big Timmy card, but if you somehow get to him, he's uninteractable
slim jacinth
I mean its a wincon
If you somehow manage to keep him alive and get him levelled you win
Thats fine tbh?
naive nebula
I think I'm moreso annoyed at the hearthstone text
The card doesn't say what it does on it, just "I can't be stopped"
slim jacinth
I mean for once
I think that works
Because actually writing out everything that doesnt work would be way too long
Meanwhile "I CANNOT BE STOPPED" is fairly clear that it just means that if you think you can remove him
You cant
Granted itd be nice if it had like a reminder if you hover over it
naive nebula
"I cannot be destroyed and negative effects do not affect me"
slim jacinth
That says something like "cant be destroyed, obliterated, transformed, silenced, stunned, recalled, blocked, debuffed, cursed, captured ..."
naive nebula
Yeah I hope he has hover text
slim jacinth
But given how MTGs opposite decision worked out
Im fine with this
Protection from everything not in fact protecting from everything is something that keeps tripping up new players
gilded pike
100% people are gonna complain about this, no matter how long it takes to achieve
people already complained about watcher which actually needed to declare an attack and had no spellshield or anything
slim jacinth
Watcher was annoying because it was the only way the deck could win and usually it came down to "did you draw more removal than they drew ways to counter your removal"
This will usually win by the time it can level
grave zodiac
Can this thing be blocked?
Cause what’s stopping you from just chump blocking it all game
None of the booms give overwhelm
So I’m assuming can’t be stops equates to unaffected by all effects, can’t be blocked, and can’t be killed by battle
slim jacinth
No
Blocking it would be stopping it
So that doesnt work
And yeah thats basically it
Cant be removed, cant be debuffed, cant be blocked
... actually maybe they should word it "I am unstoppable"
Then have unstoppable mean that
muted olive
So I’m assuming can’t be stops equates to unaffected by all effects, can’t be bl...
Basically yeah. You just insta win if you drop it (and have attack token)
grave zodiac
not too familiar with all the titan cards but the level up condition did seem pretty timmy
muted olive
It is ye
grave zodiac
also the way the current lore is jerking off nilah
I'd expect her to just speedrun rek sai and the shadow isles at this point
muted olive
Dunno but it's not interesting imo
Can't expect me to care about a champion whose fleshed out lore is "me have primordial demon inside me so me will use some water whip splash magic to go fight big scary monsters" idk it's just so boring
gilded pike
gilded pike
the icons are ones you have to pay money for in league iirc
muted olive
Oh they looked like some meme arts
wispy latch
nah they are official icons but they look very off due to the very different artstyle
naive nebula
What the fuck
The mana reduction dragon doesn't count itself the turn it comes down
So you can just play a free card
slim jacinth
Oh the turtle?
Yeah
And its gigantic so the Volibear discount stuff works
So on turn 6 you could go 9/9 with spell shield into 9/9 with spellshield
naive nebula
That's pretty bullshit
Card should see itself as played that turn if nothing else
They dropped it t7 then warmother's called me
wispy latch
Mordekaiser is so fucking cool
But yea heisho is a bit broken
They need to make it not discount the turn it comes down and maybe its ok then
gilded pike
naive nebula
Yeah this format is fucked
Voli/Elder Dragon shouldn't just end the game on t6
I can't believe it, but for the first time, ramp is broken
gilded pike
smh this is beta wyrding stones erasure
naive nebula
True, but that deck didn't feel this insane
Fun fact: Heisho applies the turn he comes down. He also applies if silenced. And KILLED
Honestly he should probably lose spellshield too
We now enter the broken deck loop like we did with Siren song
naive nebula
Early stats are putting Voli/dragon up there with azirellia
We t0 format again boyes
WR is likely a little deflated considering bad pilots
But 25% playrate hasn't happened since siren song and other format breaking cards
wispy latch
im doing very well with morde infinite combo
you kinda can just play regular morde deck and then burn to death on 7
it seems pretty good
prob a bit weak into aggro however
but you can adjust for that
naive nebula
Thank god. He deserved it
Wait does he still grant the upside the turn he comes down
gilded pike
yes but ig he has to be discounted to chain it now ~~not like that's uncommon ~~
wispy latch
yea since he is 10 cost you cant just chain them into each other without extra mana so thats something
after a few unsuccessful mordekaiser games im just kinda spamming sett karma and winning
not very interesting i know xd
gilded pike
afaik you should be able to with voli stuff
if you discount the first by at least 1 the second you should have enough mana for
gilded pike
this deck feels so damn good
if the opponent can't close out the game you get genuinely insane value the later the game goes
most of the deck is just bombs
and what isn't can be grown by husks
stone saddle
Thinking of getting back in for dragon dude
He looks funny
Nilah and janna also look cool
stone saddle
@gilded pike post list kid…
gilded pike
<@166336091941634048> post list kid…
one really funny thing is there's a lot of morg running around and her curses feel irrelevant a lot of the time unless they're already outpacing you
especially since you run 5 spells total vs suppression
gilded pike
thank fucking god they didn't hit 16 power in time
stone saddle
Just gave someone a 13 mana suppression this mord morg deck is cool
Wanted to play w janna but none of these decks look real lol
gilded pike
have you tried morg galio elder dragon yet, last time I checked that deck was in hotfix territory
and yeah rn everything is basically elder dragon and morg
stone saddle
have you tried morg galio elder dragon yet, last time I checked that deck was in...
I was just playing shyv elder dragon
Can’t be that different
A lot of decks that play morg basically play her as a champion version of radiant guardian
I guess the shyvana one plays a lot more dragon synergy
Vs the galio or garen or whatever other demacia piles are just demacia piles that have the ultimate top end
gilded pike
idk about shyv but this is the typical list afaik https://runeterra.ar/decks/code/CUDQCBICA4AQMABMAEDQACYBBAEQGAIIAMBQGBIABQJBIAYIAAFBCFADAECQACIBAUBBIAIIBECQCAIIBQHA
grave zodiac
sheesh morg got them thighs
stone saddle
idk about shyv but this is the typical list afaik https://runeterra.ar/decks/cod...
Yeah ik the list is different
Just meant in how the deck plays
Morgana doesn’t really introduce a super unique demacia play style on her own
Though morg morde is pretty unique for demacia decks
But I will say about some elder dragon decks it kind of feels like you just have to play a lot of the least bad 6 drops just so you can access him
like not sure if I really appreciate the windsinger grind
gilded pike
I think elder dragon lv2 is just there to be cute
there should be a ton of actually good 6 drops like cloud drake and sainen
stone saddle
There are good ones but idk
No real deck should have to play windsinger bro…
Firespitter is actually kind of busted too actually
gilded pike
tbh idk why windsinger is in there, maybe cause they consider the statline decent enough with dragon boons? a 4/4 elusive tough unit that recalls a unit sounds pretty nice tbh
also the recall might go hard vs the existing elder dragon meta
kinda surprised to not see cloud drake but idk maybe I overvalue that card
wispy latch
its more the opposite elder is only being slotted in for the origin
in a lot of decks
stone saddle
Idk maybe I’m just reading too much into a deck playing windsinger 
I don’t believe that card can possibly be good even if you roll the best possible boon on it every time
wispy latch
honestly no clue why galio lists are running that
gilded pike
oh boy is it lor dooming hour again
stone saddle
@naive viper Elder dragons origin is very good
Especially considering they added like a shit ton of new cards that all fit his origin
naive viper
I see
stone saddle
There’s only like one actual deck that actively tries to summon it and that’s the shyvana version
Which is like a good deck I guess but nothing amazing
wispy latch
There is an age of dragons deck that summons and levels him too
Its actually pretty good but has fallen off because its really weak into galio
naive nebula
Fuck
grave zodiac
slim jacinth
Im not shocked at all in all honesty
Not even by the timeframe, thats how it usually goes
Wish I had been off in my prediction for once though :S
gilded pike
I still feel like rotation and underwhelming cosmetics were to blame, but that's unfortunate
naive nebula
Yeah I think rotation and giving up on cosmetics really killed the game
wispy latch
think its more that they never effectively made money on LoR and had this way too long split focus on resources between pve and pvp
as applaudable as LoRs f2p fairness is, profitting through cosmetics on a card game was probably just a mistake
anyway ive been looking at who got fired and its honestly a big blow to riot in general
not just LoR
kinda torn on riot forge because I feel those games would all be considered pretty bad without league IP
(ruined king as the exception)
Lore and art got a suprising amount of layoffs considering they are supposed to be working on an mmo
so either mmo staff is solidly allocated already or its cancelled
slim jacinth
They'd say if it was cancelled, but it might have started entering development hell
wispy latch
been feeling a bit worried about it since ghostcrawler left
wispy latch
They'd say if it was cancelled, but it might have started entering development h...
Well yea i guess it might not be cancelled yet but could be going down that route
I assume a new world happend
big shift of game focus forced by riot higher up which is not the game ghostcrawler envisioned, thus left
So like it may be one of those things where we actually get a very different game or it dies within next 2 years
slim jacinth
Possible, but hard to predict
wispy latch
on the brightside it looks like project L is making it
slim jacinth
Tbh I can also imagine that Ghostcrawler just wanted a change of scenery and a new company to work at
Hes been at Riot for a while
Yeah no I would be shocked if Project L didnt finish
Riot basically just bought a company and told them to work on the game for them, and the guys involved are huge fgc guys
wispy latch
Yeah but based on what ghostcrawler said it was supposed to be his one big passion project game from ground up and to then just bounce to make ur own game must mean that there was some sort of disagreement about what the game actually is gonna be
naive nebula
Fucked up
wispy latch
very sad indeed
cedar flare
ill be ready to move runeterra to the gacha chat soon rip
wispy latch
the copium is
PoC focus introduces gacha bullshit
lor makes money
they reopen pvp
and we win
grave zodiac
yeah it's doomed
naive nebula
The hate spike nerf would be insane if pvp was gonna keep going
naive nebula
Wow it's like they want this game to die
Rotating the lurk and darkness packages
And Heimer
Also net loss of 19 champs
All this would do is make the archetypes even more samey
Rotated Champs Out are:
Pyke, Rek’Sai, Veigar, Senna, Diana, Nocturne, Lucian, Jarvan IV, Tryndamere, Darius, Renekton, Kalista, Kayle, Heimerdinger, Quinn, Sejuani, Zed, Yuumi, Riven, Bard, Kayn, Varus, Aatrox, Ryze, LeBlanc, Fizz, Nami, Karma, Seraphine, Akshan, Pantheon
Rotated Champs In are:
Braum, Vladimir, Thresh, Yasuo, Vi, Hecarim, Lulu, Gangplank, Taric, Fiora, Aphelios, Sivir
Leaves Demacia with all of 5 champs
slim jacinth
Wait so Vlad is just rotating in ... with no changes?
naive nebula
Presumably
You’ll also probably notice that a lot of the champs in this list are very spell-centric, and that’s not an accident. Because of LoR’s core rules, spells and reactivity have a natural advantage. Saving spell mana, using the stack to react to your opponent’s plays, and the limited number of units you can have at one time all mean that the game engine favors playing lots of spells anyways - and these “spellslinger” champs really lean into that advantage. This also makes spell-centric champs much harder to nerf, because their most potent advantages are in how synergistic their decks are, rather than what’s on the champion card. Since these strategies have been dominant for so long, we want to try Standard with fewer options in this space and see how the meta evolves.
Oh they just outright said they only want the game to be midrange value piles
Cool
grave zodiac
what's the point of rotation if they're making LoR more PvE
naive nebula
They keep saying they want PVP to still matter
But why would I even wanna play pvp if everything is a midrange value pile
naive viper
Holy shit this game is still alive?
naive nebula
Deathbed
grave zodiac
Shit is so bad that they’re double dipping on champions
naive nebula
Wait really?
Damn gonna make my Lux/Lux deck
They literally hit all the non-midrange cards
Also the rotation note mentions eternal is going back to random times
Dead game
slim jacinth
Where do you see that?
naive nebula
It was in the other post about rotation
Said that they were considering times for eternal
naive nebula
Wow new lux is... Boring
Spirit is +1/+1
Can't believe they made lux a boring midrange champ
wispy latch
im a little confused ngl
they are just making the game even more midrange statslap?
like ill admit that for the most part thats my preferred deckstyle but the entire game shouldnt be like that lol
Actually thats not true i think the most fun ive had in this game was samira combo aggro stuff
and swain when he wasnt shit
naive nebula
Yeah the rotation outright hit everything but midrange
naive nebula
they are just making the game even more midrange statslap?
And they said in the rotation article "We want to move away from Spellslinger focus"
And with new Lux being boring ah midrange stat card... Looks like every deck is just gonna be "who can get the biggest guys out now"
stone saddle
Ok this could literally have been sona lol
And instead they’re literally making duplicate champs
That’s crazy
stone saddle
Is boost just +1/+1
naive nebula
Everything is just midrange value piles now
Also is it just me or are the names for the cards this set really lazy?
"Tree Spirits", "Glare", "Grimm", "Shadow", and "Existential Dread"
stone saddle
His name is literally shadow lol
stone saddle
Like idk the entire point of vex is she’s an overly angsty teenager
wispy latch
its pretty on theme for her
i like that her lvl up is legit just falling off a tree lol
naive nebula
Yeah LoR giving up on PvP has made the card designs crazy
Fiddlesticks is Path only, but he's a 3 mana 7/6 and has a 1 mana 6/3 challenger overwhelm in his deck
stone saddle
I mean you don’t actually draw it no?
They have to pull him from deck for you play
Same for the 1 mana 6/3
naive nebula
Yeah didn't realize how his nightmares worked
stone saddle
I mean these seem like they’d be kinda underpowered in actual pvp honestly
Traps famously not the strongest mechanic
naive nebula
I think the obliterate a number of cards in an opponent's deck every turn would be annoying, but true
stone saddle
I didn’t see the rest of the cards so idk
naive nebula
Terrify is: Obliterate X and activate all traps this way
naive nebula
There's way better terrify cards in the package
Shallows Siren is probably the only one that'd need a pvp nerf tho
wispy latch
its actually pve only?
naive nebula
Yup, all new content will be
grave zodiac
wispy latch
naive nebula
But it's okay "game isn't on life support"
naive nebula
Yeah next update has no voicelines or level up animations for the champs