Looks like Samira is runeterran with a Plunder origin
#Legends of Runeterra
slim jacinth
slim jacinth
I guess Bilge is just her intended pair
gilded pike
I'm not surprised, she's noxian by lore
btw flair is missing a "or deal 1 damage to the enemy nexus" in its text, I was wondering why she had a plunder package for so long
naive nebula
Yup, Riot had a typo there and on Stylish Shot
Also we had a leak of rotation
Rotated Champs are:
Ziggs, Poppy, Rumble, GP, Tahm Kench, TF, Fiora, Lux, Anivia, Braum, Trundle, Irelia, Lee Sin, Lulu, and Yasuo
Notably lost are Pokey Stick, Aloof, Zap, Jaull-Fish, and a lot more
slim jacinth
Oooh, thats not gonna go over well, quite a few fan favourites in there
naive nebula
I think it might be interesting if they focus on eternal
But yeah, this hits a lot of archetypes
Glad they killed Jaull-Fish tho, he's the worst lurk card
I love Lurk, don't love Jaull-Fish
naive nebula
They said they'll play with it
I hope they realize they should
But who knows, standard might be cool
naive nebula
Can't believe draven gets rotated and never unnerfed
Maybe they'll unnerf him now that he'll be eternal only
Oh fuck man, no more rav flock
grave zodiac
They're rotating Aphelios bro. Game is dead <@121831661284360192>
is gwen still in
also samira's theme still proving to be nutty
muted olive
yea
grave zodiac
ok runeterra is saved
muted olive
i only see kindred and thresh from si gone
slim jacinth
Lmao theyre not rotating minimorph, one of the few cards their reasoning for rotation actually makes sense for
grave zodiac
muted olive
feel free to sift through this if you want @grave zodiac
gilded pike
Rotated Champs are:
Ziggs, Poppy, Rumble, GP, Tahm Kench, TF, Fiora, Lux, Anivia...
this feels like they threw darts at a board to choose what to rotate
that said I'd love to see another card for anivia cause I kinda hate her
naive nebula
Yeah this does open up these champs to new cards
I think it's the same reason people like Braum left
naive nebula
I've already solved Samira: Renekton
slim jacinth
Some of these look like replacements
naive nebula
Definitely
Form Up is sharpsight, soul harvest is the kill spell, And Falling Star is Paddle Star
gilded pike
"maybe giving noxus one of the strongest removals instead of shadow isles was a bad idea" kinda mood
shit it still has one of the strongest with scorched earth
slim jacinth
I mean
Noxus should have good conditional removal
Thats part of their thing, just like shadow isles having unconditional removal is theirs
gilded pike
and then it turned into the premier control region over si 
probably still will be tbh, so much stuff
gilded pike
I mean compare that to every swain variant and in recent times a ton of ravenbloom
Annie ezreal rn vs heimer jayce ig
slim jacinth
I wouldnt say Annie/Ez is a control deck, more of a tempo deck tbh
glossy flare
Noxus should have good conditional removal
Yeah.
gilded pike
nukkle seems like a great coin payoff ye
naive nebula
Some interesting changes
Ramhound is no longer an elite, Handler no longer has quick attack, Atrocity is fast, Portalpalooza is focus
@slim jacinth Eternal is permanent by default, and has a permanent ranked mode
slim jacinth
Good that they made that change
slim jacinth
I still hope that Eternal completely overshadows standard in popularity
And they pull a Duelyst and just can Rotation nearly instantly
naive nebula
Yeah I'm hoping everyone sticks to eternal tbh
slim jacinth
Its ... implied I guess
naive nebula
slim jacinth
But its not explicit
naive nebula
This feels pretty explicit
It doesn't outright say "eternal ranked is permanent" but it'd be weird if it wasn't with that wording
They unnerfed a few cards for rotation
War Chefs, Attrocity, Challenger Snake
gilded pike
ngl I'm gonna try standard for a bit and see how it feels
cause while rotation was kinda done poorly it's still something new to try and doesn't require a ton of wildcard investment like alchemy
naive nebula
I kinda wanna try standard a bit myself
I have a very spicy deck that i wanna test in eternal and standard
And lurkers are fine in standard
slim jacinth
If Eternal is temporary Im gonna come back for the month of eternal and drop the game otherwise
gilded pike
wait why is trundle being rotated but trynd isn't
naive nebula
Trynd is supposed to be the "fair ramp payoff"
muted olive
bc fk ice pillar
gilded pike
bruh eternal ranked isn't coming for another 2 months lmao
grave zodiac
lol
gilded pike
yep lmao
slim jacinth
Yeah, we knew
naive nebula
Damn that sucks
slim jacinth
They cant give players the choice
gilded pike
on the other hand, samira resetting each time she sees the attack token rather than the end of your turn makes her way easier to level than I thought it'd be
naive nebula
Yeah definitely
Trying her with Renekton rn
This deck is SILLY
Gotta figure out ratios but it's nasty when it pops off
gilded pike
I'm trying her with akshan which is insanely fun
naive nebula
I'm wondering if I can fit an Akshan in this and feel like I probably can't
slim jacinth
So, apparently none of Samiras support cards are voiced
gilded pike
https://runeterra.ar/decks/code/CMCACAIDBMBQIB3HQAAYEAIDAYDQIBJGAMDQGBYJBYBACBQHFABAIBZ3QEAQIAIBAMJQCBAHNUAQMAY2AEDAOKQ this is what I'm using rn
considering taking out merciless hunter in favor of a more resilient unit, but maybe it's for when you don't draw samira and need removal
naive nebula
Apparently one of them is intentional
Samira remarks she's mute
But the rest, that's sad
gilded pike
might just be a bug
naive nebula
True
Also, I'm sorta torn on stylish shot
I don't know if it's as crazy as I thought
gilded pike
I think it's still a really good card, but the fact that you need to nexus strike with a unit makes it like, balanced
also I'm still trying to figure out if fizz samira is even a real deck lol
naive nebula
I feel like it's a meme tbh
gilded pike
the more I play against it the more I think it's real, but you need to build it correctly
if you don't do the classic elusive spam you can't reliably proc stylish shot
flair itself really seems to just be a fizz trigger tho
naive nebula
Yeah I think Samira/Renekton feels correct
gilded pike
why renekton?
naive nebula
Samira lets him challenge and Xolani is your real champ
naive nebula
Yeah I don't think Samira/Fizz is real
Deck is only working because people don't know what it does
I do think she'll be good, but I don't think it's with Fizz
naive nebula
Gonna try Gwen/Azir again
I've been trying to make this deck work forever and I think standard feels right for it
grave zodiac
lol
muted olive
standard feels very much "play new cards or suffer" format. which you can say past seasons have been like that but at least you could compete (or try to) with card/decks you enjoy, rather than assembling a hodgepodge of cards that somewhat resemble a deck you'd like to play
naive nebula
Just play Lurkers
muted olive
also why are some of the most annoying decks out there completely untouched while my boy zilean got zhonya'd outta there
my point exactly
muted olive
crazy bro
there's just no logic behind the rotated cards when you still have stuff like fizz alive
naive nebula
I'm cautiously excited
muted olive
it's whatever to me since i can just wait for eternal season if i don't find standard enjoyable
naive nebula
Yeah same here. And I love Lurkers so I'm happy enough rn
muted olive
i can't even play invoke targon damn lmao
how am i supposed to make it to r10 and drop asol smh
no thresh to cheat him out
some regions are just sad to look at tho
mainly targon and freljord
naive nebula
Yeah fuck Freljord I guess
muted olive
bro look at targon
wtf can you even make with that
cope with Kayle ???
lmao
there's diana/leona but iirc si lost its good nightfall cards too so that's also kinda eh
grave zodiac
I tried to look at all the new decks you could do with kayle and jack
and they're just lol
muted olive
why are zoe and aph gone but pantheon still there wtf
i forgot malphite even existed
grave zodiac
is jack's boat supposed to be the boat in sunk cost btw
muted olive
whatever. just send me the next best gwen deck and i'll be chillin' @grave zodiac
and yeah
naive nebula
Yeah fuck Panth
grave zodiac
damn, tahm eats boats now
naive nebula
whatever. just send me the next best gwen deck and i'll be chillin' <@1218316612...
It's still gwen/quinn
muted olive
i think something that kinda irked me was aatrox/kayn still has everything and is functioning well
naive nebula
I dunno, maybe Jack is good but he feels mid rn
grave zodiac
yeah, I immediately just went with kayn aatroxx
cause it's unhit and still feels strong
naive nebula
I'm also still torn on Smaira
muted olive
i queued into it and was like "wtf this is legal"
grave zodiac
idk what you're supposed to do with jack
naive nebula
Damn, I should've crafted Sett
grave zodiac
brash is a good keyword
but everything else on him just seems very underwhelming/undervalue
muted olive
only sett deck i've lost to was sett karma pnz
somehow they spent 29 mana in one turn
muted olive
my one attempt at playing asol ended with me almost losing to teemo cait
so i deleted the deck afterwards
grave zodiac
I played vs ryze for the first time recently
and that is such a resident sleeper deck
I feel like rrj
muted olive
lmao
naive nebula
Fuck Ryze
Boring as hell
Also, I've seen some Jack/Cait and that deck kinda looks real?
Lists look bad rn but it seems potentially neat
naive nebula
Man fuck the coin recall card
naive nebula
It's kinda shitty they killed Tavernkeep and then gave the exact same card to Ionia
glossy flare
I don't understand why either.
Healing has always been a primarily Freljord mechanic.
glossy flare
Well, they always had Health Potion, but outside of Karma decks that was never really a big part of their gameplan.
(And later Karma decks tended not to run that at all.)
muted olive
eye of the dragon baby
gilded pike
ionia having heals kinda makes sense when they don't have any permanent removal in their region
they're more the stall region
gilded pike
yeah I feel like that singlehandedly enables stuff like karma sett
where you just hold a coin for where you need it so you permanently have open mana
naive nebula
Karma Sett is honestly super unfair
The deck does everything
Like it has Karma and card draw to refill your hand, has combat tricks and set to clear the board, and has karma and the coins to refill your mana
They heal any damage
And then, I can't even wait for them to tap out to avoid deny because they'll play one coin card and have all the mana back
I hope they nerf it soon because it calls all my interest in playing standard
muted olive
yea make coins focus or fast. focus sounds healthy
wispy latch
swain still playable?
naive nebula
He still seems good, yeah
wispy latch
with bilge or pilt
naive nebula
People are theorying Illaoi
wispy latch
Yeah i just checked piltover and pretty sure that version is just dead
and idol is obviously really good
slim jacinth
So they answered the question of why ranked eternal isnt permanent on stream
Its "because we dont have the resources to balance two queues and dont want to split the playerbase"
Which is to say "we just wanted to delete cards, we cant actualyl do rotation properly"
wispy latch
huh none of my decks work anymore
well guess i have to play pve until i have enough currency
gilded pike
man I am not fucking with this meta
I understand it's diverse but I've run into so much sett karma
even jack seraphine feels super annoying to play against
really missing decimate as a finisher rn 
wispy latch
removing a card like decimate seems weird
its like such a standard aggro end curve card
gilded pike
what really gets me is they left in cards like darius which probably need a rework
slim jacinth
We got an interview about rotation
Ngl, the more they talk the more it seems their blueprint was "Hearthstones system but worse"
... they wanted to support Eternal even less originally????
naive nebula
Riot heard all the complaints about Ryze being the least fun deck to play against and added Karma/Sett
naive nebula
How did I not think about this before now
This deck didn't lose any cards
It absolutely shits on Reputation and Samira decks too
They wanna go all in, you just value them to death
naive nebula
God what were they thinking with Sett's package
"Sure you can have card draw, combat tricks, lifegain, mana cheating, and a win button"
grave zodiac
it's just like sett in league 
naive nebula
I still think they should coins focus
But the recall card needs to be not that too
Dunno how your nerf it, but it needs one
wispy latch
i cant believe i just drew 4 cards to find removal to not die to combat
formula -> drum solo -> find peacemaker
cuz of the flow peacemaker costed 1 that i had left
grave zodiac
Twitter
gilded pike
poppy?
slim jacinth
Poppy was always 1 off funny enough
wispy latch
lol i dont even know what gnar does 
gilded pike
oh yeah that makes sense
meta revolved around him at that point
still amazing that 1 power was all it took to make him balanced
glossy flare
Gnar decks were crazy efficient, yeah.
I don't recall why losing 1 Power made that less dominant.
Was there something he stopped being able to hit into?
wispy latch
god i fucking love swain so much
i got mega high rolled by a bard kayle deck but then he just couldnt deal with double ship swain
managed to barely live
muted olive
Fizz Samira feels similar to peak TF Fizz ngl @grave zodiac
funny how both decks used Fizz, maybe he should've been rotated out
grave zodiac
I tried to read samira and there was too many words
I saw she was a 2 cost with quick attack and upside so I figured she was good
muted olive
I tried to read samira and there was too many words
summary
play 6 cards within 2 rounds: she levels up
play 6 cards while she's lv2: rally
on summon or strike: create a card that either pings nexus or give ally challenger
gilded pike
funny how both decks used Fizz, maybe he should've been rotated out <:Hahaa:6428...
ngl I'm like super fine with fizz
any time fizz is meta I feel like he's just not actually the problem
naive nebula
Yeah, Samira is the issue
gilded pike
highkey, when we switching flair to slow speed?
naive nebula
Unironically
I think maybe fast is okay, but it probably should be slow
It's too good as a versatile combat trick that can also just go face
I also think coins need to go to focus
Jack feels fine, but Samira and Sett are way overtuned
gilded pike
fast is fine too ye, but repeatable burst speed challenger is nuts
side note, annie jhin is actually bonkers this format
you farm reputation I feel like, pirouette goes fucking crazy into that 5/1 challenger
stuns make their normal good trades impossible and you race them down
naive nebula
I'll have to check it out
gilded pike
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current list if you wanna try
way more stun heavy than burn heavy like before, but missing decimate will do that. you can still probably realistically kill by turn 4 if everything goes right for you
naive nebula
I'll have to try it, thanks
muted olive
any time fizz is meta I feel like he's just not actually the problem
sure but let's not pretend that fizz is somehow healthy for the game
to me, it doesn't matter if he's the main issue or not, the fact that he repeatedly (and only) shows up in these degen decks is the only sign i need to know he's always be problematic as well
also flair slow speed is never happening. focus, at worst
when belveth release. i wanna play some evolve deck but Kaisa is crippled
gilded pike
I blame elusive
wispy latch
ive been playing vs plenty of fizz samira on ladder fizz is usually pretty whatever
flair into all out is usually a really big blowout
wispy latch
ashe leblabc is so good but sometimes it draws so ass
naive nebula
Only took him 18 turns to find the fucking surrender button
I played through like 3 board wipes, him taking one of my aanakas and every single champ in his deck
naive nebula
Outplayed
Iove how "build-a-boss" this deck is
They have to constantly answer you or they're dead
naive nebula
They nerfed Ashe but buffed Leblanc?
Killed Wiggly Bubblefish tho
They KILLED gwen
Foyer is now "if you have the attack token"
Targon tell stones is WACK now
Basically no changes to Samira
Looks like format is gonna be exactly the same
Ashe nerf and Reckoning nerf
Samira nerfs
I continue to hope for Flair and Coins to drop to focus
slim jacinth
The funniest part to me is the Nightfall buffs that wont do anything
It feels like Riot doesnt understand why Nightfall is unplayable in standard
wispy latch
Just glad they at least touched all out a bit
that card is crazy
sad about ashe lb nerfs but its fair
im excited about playing more cait control with new intel
naive nebula
The Ashe nerf doesn't do much to balance the LB buff
I'm still on Galio/Udyr because it shreds Samira
But this meta sucks rn
wispy latch
The Ashe nerf doesn't do much to balance the LB buff
its definitely a nerf overall
esp reckoning to 7
but p much every other game I play would turn out very different with the nerfed ashe
its very relevant but the lb change will allow cool new tricks
gilded pike
fml are we really not dropping coins to focus
not that these nerfs are absolutely nothing, it just feels like it doesn't hit the core issue
wispy latch
the devs talked about that on the stream
slim jacinth
What did they say?
wispy latch
something about they tried multiple different changes including coin to focus but it just made all coin decks feel bad to play
dont take my word for it
id recommend to watch the stream
they gave lots of nice insight but didnt linger on stuff for too long
was nice imo
naive nebula
See I think the issue is that Jack is undertuned and Sett is overtuned
By making them rely on the same mechanic, it makes the mechanic feel bad about half the time
Focus speed coins feels correct, with a buff to Jack
wispy latch
first time actually laddering properly in this game
next patch i wanna go to masters with a cait deck
muted olive
is patch live yet
wispy latch
tomorrow i think
wispy latch
what are you playing
slim jacinth
Galio/Udyr if I had to guess
naive nebula
Yeah, frostbite doesn't affect you and you're just making a wall of threats
naive nebula
This win feltime cheating
They started running the timer out when they realized they lost
slim jacinth
Btw the patchnotes had a late nerf added
Momentous choice going from 1 mana to 2 mana
Making the card trash
slim jacinth
Eh
I dont think the card was a problem, and now its unplayable
Like its clearly a Varus/Samira nerf where they dont want to touch Samira yet
naive nebula
True
naive nebula
It's honestly kinda sad they never updated Fiora's voicelines
wispy latch
Varus samira needed a nerf but ye they killed the card
naive nebula
She's got a taunt for killing every champ in foundations
She should have one for every champ
naive nebula
They should have rotated Pantheon
Losing to the "RNG I got all the good keywords" literally never feels good
Wow you really did outplay me by rolling quick attack, elusive, lifesteal, challenger, and spellshield
wispy latch
yea i really hate playing vs pantheon
naive nebula
Pantheon and Norra are my two least favorite champs
Doesn't feel like fun to lose to rng
Like I get that card games are inherent RNG
But it's different
wispy latch
its just weird how basically all ccgs add more rng mechanics as time goes on
like every single one I ever played
now I don't mean this as always being a bad thing because I think stuff like manifest and invoke are pretty cool
but yes norra portal shit feels like hearthstone
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this is what ive been trying out
feels really good
cutting all the flow cards because flow is not consistent to trigger in this
but caustic may become mandatory again
naive viper
its just weird how basically all ccgs add more rng mechanics as time goes on
It's probably because rng elements inherently lower the gap between 2 players of different slill levels
wispy latch
no fucking way did i just grind karma sett for 40 mins to the point of deckout
his last cards left in deck were more impactful than mine
idk karma sett isnt broken but its actually just so awful to play against
naive nebula
It's not broken broken, but it does EVERYTHING
wispy latch
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idk why I waited for leona to get nerfed to enjoy a leona deck LUL
but this has been working
i dont have samira so I just tried out a darius noxus package as a finisher
gilded pike
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/132rx4p/what_is_this_lissandra_thralls_targon_deck_that/ @muted olive we back??
wispy latch
i dont understand darkin equipment decks i feel like u havent won against them once
naive nebula
Holy shit this mirror was tight
Luckily managing my death from belows bought me the game
They did misplay at one point and play a defensive reksai on 9
Ultimately wouldn't have mattered since I had 2 deaths in hand most of the game
But it could have bought them the game
wispy latch
lurk mirror seems wild
naive nebula
Lurk mirror is actually super skill intensive
wispy latch
jinx sam discard aggro is a bit wild i feel like I played every turn perfect and still barely lived 1 health to win
better player wouldve just destroyed me
naive nebula
Both players are playing with stacked decks and know what they've gotta play around when it comes to checks
wispy latch
he piloted pretty bad
naive nebula
You can always tell when they've got a reksai in hand
You don't know if they've got death from below or not
wispy latch
yeah i dont know much about playing lurk but i mostly figured out how to play against it after i got shit ok by it 5 times
we learn
naive nebula
I've noticed it's correct to assume any Call the Pack that isn't obviously Reksai (you can tell when it is) is USUALLY pyke
Sometimes you just need to draw 2 so the call the pack is just bait, but most of the time it's to get pyke live
wispy latch
how do you know its reksai they stacked on top?
naive nebula
Both players see Reksai's animation
It's not like they could hide the effect of hers anyways
Only the player who did it sees pyke's
wispy latch
ahh
naive nebula
Any time you see the animation, assume they've got a reksai in hand for the rest of the game from that point on
wispy latch
i usually win against lurk now but man sometimes they just go nuts
naive nebula
Even if they call the pack and get another reksai off, assume they've got 2 reksais
I think lurk is up there with deep in being one of the most skill intensive decks in the game
A good lurk player can just blast through most matchups
wispy latch
agree on lurk not sure I agree on deep
naive nebula
Deck struggles against a lot of small ping removal or control decks
But lurk can pivot from aggro to long game fast based on the matchup
You can grind them out or just kill them t4
Oh and if Pyke levels, you might as well just concede
You can sometimes beat leveled Reksai but it's hard
Leveled Pyke is a death sentence
Lmao just had one where I played my third call the pack (both the previous ones bounced the reksai in my hand) and dude scooped
He knew that reksai was gonna fuck him up
naive nebula
Will do
knotty raven
Man it's super funny seeing people mald about people playing by themselves
wispy latch
varus is a way worse offender of this than karma sett
muted olive
is that reddit? they despise control for some reason and it's hilarious how much hate for the strategy is there
it's like they can lose to samira for hours w little to no complaints but the moment sett karma gets to t10 in a super close game and wins, they spaz out
gilded pike
I'm pretty sure people actually like losing harder unironically, when you know you've lost you can concede earlier
slim jacinth
Control decks can be frustrating to play against, and it doesnt help that if you concede early, you basically reward them for playing an unfun deck
But it depends on the control deck and how interactive it is
People generally didnt mind Swain/TF
naive nebula
I think the issue is that the last two big control decks have done everything in their power not to interact
People don't like to feel like they're playing one game and their opponent is playing another
That and they take forever
If Samira kills you on t5, you've only lost like 5 minutes
When Karma/Sett kills you t20, it's 30 minutes
wispy latch
also very often sett can also just win the game turn 8 against aggro
maybe not against the powder decks
karma sett is a fine ctrl deck even if ionias recall chump blocking shit can get a bit too annoying
its not what I would call problematic
I suppose you need to know when you lost
jayce heimer makes it clear to you much earlier
gilded pike
I think the issue is that the last two big control decks have done everything in...
that's just how control decks are
but I'd argue in magic at least you know when you're losing the game sooner
wispy latch
id say you definitetly know vs karma sett too other than in mirror maybe
after a certain amount of experience at least
naive nebula
I mean you sorta know most of the time for Karma/Sett and Ryze
Well actually not as much for Ryze
wispy latch
didnt play ryze meta so dunno but I assume it feels a little similar to cait teemo
knotty raven
I think the issue is that the last two big control decks have done everything in...
I hate this idea that Karma/Sett does not interact
Like wtf are you doing when you see the Sett drop or when they play removal spells
Is that not interacting?
It's more like people hate playing the game differently or getting punished for not being prepared over a specific matchup
There is more to the game than just combat and control players are using those resources as a strategy, it's super annoying seeing people shit on them just bc they don't like how they interact with them
wispy latch
woah
slim jacinth
Time to play LoR for a little bit
Unless Ezreal is dominant in Eternal, then Im just dropping the game I think
grave zodiac
Seems like a lot of eternal reverts
muted olive
game is saved
gilded pike
completely forgot they nerfed kata to 2/2
slim jacinth
... wow yeah that also caught me off-guard
I really need to play LoR but ngl
Not having played it in a bit has kinda killed my motivation a bit
Doesnt help that I still enjoy MD and Historic Ninjas have been a blast
wispy latch
Im having fun with swain tf
dragons feel too weak
so i dropped it
plaza was a mistake
i dont know where ud even run kata cuz the gwen synergy is dead
maybe still ok
slim jacinth
Ye
grave zodiac
is this vayne in a wheelchair....?
naive nebula
Nah, she's one of Samira's friends
slim jacinth
Former captain no?
wispy latch
Captain of her mercenary group
slim jacinth
My first thought was the silver horde from discworld
wispy latch
any LoR players left 
grave zodiac
legends of Samira
naive nebula
Took a long break because the formats have sucked
wispy latch
<:copium:901139245056528444> legends of Samira
balanced now kid
slim jacinth
I mean I think standard format sucks by virtue of being rotating
But idk, I just havent played it in a while
wispy latch
i think making the game lower power was 100% the right call but obviously the end result wasnt perfect
but I really like the game rn
eternal feels like a huge mess compared
slim jacinth
Eternal feels like a mess because they decided they want it to be a mess tbqh
The fact that Ezreal is still not reworked and instead was just rotated to sweep him under the rug is just embarassing
slim jacinth
I dont care about standard, which is why I hated that eternal ranked is only up 1/3 of the time
But I get it
If you dont force people to play standard and let them choose eternal, standard inevitably dies
slim jacinth
New LoR mechanic is basically Morph from MTG
Interesting
Leak for LoR: ||New Nidalee Design||
||WAY better||
gilded pike
https://www.reddit.com/r/LegendsOfRuneterra/comments/14egxvn/all_leaked_cards_accident_by_runeterraar_big/ all the cards got leaked at once by accident apparently, view at your own peril
slim jacinth
||The spider cards suck lmao||
grave zodiac
||https://preview.redd.it/9yhpl9uvd77b1.jpg?width=3605&format=pjpg&auto=webp&v=e...
they upped her furry level
slim jacinth
They made her design actually good
grave zodiac
isnt poro kinmg actually crazy
slim jacinth
But yeah not!Morph looks cool
But these cards look overall pretty weak
And I dont like that were already doing "existing card slightly to the left", I get that the appeal of rotation to devis that they can do that, but its lame as fuck
naive nebula
Nidalee seems strong right?
And Poro King might be good
Neeko seems maybe bad
You'll always know she's played right?
Since it'll take longer for her to come down
slim jacinth
All ambush cards are played as 2 mana 2/2
Oh wait
Neeko comes down on 2 doesnt she
naive nebula
Yeah
But the issue with neeko is you pick from a menu
It has to hide that menu for her to be okay at all
Looks like they did the "all three are intended pairs" thing again
Wait you can maybe do a "three region" thing with neeko where you just play her to put other cards into your deck
She notably gives you access to the ascended trio even if you're locked into a non-shurima region
I don't know what this does for you tho
wispy latch
i cant tell whether the new gwen equip is good
seems kinda obsolete
i like the ambush archetype a lot
||poro enjoyers got their dream too||
naive nebula
I actually think it's really good
wispy latch
||the transform synergy with chief nakotak and tge ambush cards might make a really strong midrange deck||
naive nebula
If I'm reading it right, it doubles your trigger on Gwen
Meaning she levels twice as fast or drains for like 40
wispy latch
yeah you can put it on gwen to get the bonus twice
naive nebula
Issue is gonna be you're way more vulnerable to removal that way
But if they can't answer Gwen, she's shredding shit
Might try Gwen/Illaoi again with it. Give it to Illaoi and Give Gwen the one that makes the tentacle. Get huge numbers
wispy latch
I play a lot of noxus gwen
and the finisher is usually overwhelm unit hallowed buff + gwen and with the shears you can buff one extra ig but i think it might be winmore
naive nebula
I haven't played in a bit, but Illaoi Gwen does feel close to being viable again
wispy latch
i played around with it
naive nebula
At least in standard
wispy latch
feels clunky but it works
naive nebula
You get 3 fuck-off huge beaters
wispy latch
i enjoy noxus gwen way more
wispy latch
but ig the shears work better in the illaoi version cuz then you boast tentacle illaoi and gwen all at the same time and its impossible to answer all 3
naive nebula
Yeah I think it might be good for that version
Valor doesn't win trades, so you're rarely caring about him being bigger than a single hallowed buff
wispy latch
i just think its too much of a do nothing card early on which is not really what you want from equips
naive nebula
Quinn holds back until you've got her leveled
Yeah true, it's only good when you're established
wispy latch
like with my current gwen list im always already killing turn 7/8 if early game worked out
i dont need the shears
i lose if early doesnt work out too great
but yea i definitely see it for the illaoi version
i like the raventome equip
naive nebula
The more I think on the new champs, the more I Neeko is really bad, Nidalee is really good, and I cannot tell for Poro King
Does Neeko have enough hits to justify running her for her origin?
wispy latch
I agree with your assessment
neeko kinda memey sorta like ahri
nidalee actually really good with transform synergy
poro king no idea
naive nebula
Ahri has been meta plenty of times before
The issue is I have 0 clue what Neeko gets you
I think the best combo champs are in Ionia
Downside there is Ionia is your most hits region-wise
So you sacrifice deck building for synergy
naive viper
Just wondering, has the game fell off in popularity ever since set rotation was implemented?
wispy latch
I dont know whether there is any public data for that but based on my personal feelings no
from glory in navori release the game felt huge until eternal ranked month
then it was weird
gilded pike
I can't speak for anybody else but rotation really soured the game for me, especially with eternal ranked being removed most of the time
especially cause they didn't do a normal rotation like magic has
naive nebula
Yeah I feel that. Like if rotation was all cards from X set, it would have felt better
But it just feels like an arbitrary list of cards got sent to a hell because they didn't wanna balance everything
Eternal is a bit too much with everything being unnerfed
slim jacinth
Just wondering, has the game fell off in popularity ever since set rotation was ...
We wont know for sure but
naive nebula
And Standard just feels lacking
slim jacinth
Historically I cant think of any card game that implemented rotation and didnt lose players since the late 90s
naive nebula
I'll probably try the new stuff when it comes out, but it doesn't really feel fully planned
muted olive
Just wondering, has the game fell off in popularity ever since set rotation was ...
IDK tbh. I do know a lot of my friends that used to play don't anymore, but some still do. Personally rotation felt very wack and arbitrary to me (claiming to be removing "problem cards" but leaving some very obviously problematic cards still in), as well as new cards being on the same power level of, of not higher than, all the cards they rotated out. Which makes me question "What was the point?" Lol. I did play the Glory in Navori season and hit masters but like, eternal came next season and I just couldn't find the energy to touch the game anymore. I did play a few ranked eternal games but they started me in iron and I didn't have the willpower to climb back up to the top. Idk just lost my interest for now ig
I'm sure rotation has lost them some players and there are lots of other choices surrounding it and its implementation that have caused more harm than the rotation itself. Imo game is still fine but r n it's not grabbing my attention in the aftermath of everything
wispy latch
some of the decision making behind what to rotate and what not was incredibly wonky
like diana and noc are just rotting in standard and people assumed it was to balance for a new nightfall archetype but half a year later there is still nothing
nocturne also breaks their rules for SI that they laidout for standard
hecarim got rotated for those reasons but he would have way more to do in standard than nocturne
since a lot of ephemeral synergy in both si and ionia was left in
Standard overall feels like a good healthy format to me though
grave zodiac
that nidalee level up animation is sick
naive nebula
Nidalee looks cool all around
naive nebula
So prismatic cards make a prismatic bush, meaning you need to do all or nothing
Alternatively, they just need to match your Nidalee's status (since you can hover over the opponent's champs from their deck)
But if Nidalee is prismatic, the rest need to be
wispy latch
and i won it too
drew pirouette
stun badger
4 stylish face -> father fury hit -> 4 stylish lmao
oh its cropped out father fury is my only unit
wild game
naive nebula
Oh fuck I missed out on something insane with the new p+z landmark: Ryze and Shadow Jayce are gonna be disgusting now
Ryze probably drops Ionia to get the "you can't die" landmark and Shadow Jayce just cuts their 3 worst cards
Why the fuck did they decide P+Z gets a landmark control decks can now play to trivialize their worst matchups?
No shot it doesn't get nerfed to "the first time you take damage each turn" but that's still annoying as hell
wispy latch
Ryze probably drops Ionia to get the "you can't die" landmark and Shadow Jayce j...
Idk if ryze drops ionia cuz if you dont see the landmark you have a problem
And they just printed ionia 5 mana heal ur nexus and draw 2 spells lol
Thats like ryze spell.exe
But yea the puff landmark is nuts broken in a few decks
gilded pike
riot pls
naive nebula
When does the patch go live?
naive nebula
Okay the new card is really good for Illaoi/Gwen
Poro King is really high-rolly but he seems fun
naive nebula
Okay yeah Illaoi/Gwen seems good
All the new guys are small so you just run them over
wispy latch
yeah nox gwen seems fine too but cant keep up with neeko demacia go wide
that and siren song stuff seems very broken
can I see your list?
captain kalrix is funny
naive nebula
can I see your list?
Trying this rn
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No guarantee on the ratios
wispy latch
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this is what i ran for 3 games
naive nebula
Low-key this deck feels good
You just make a ton of massive dudes and they fucking die
naive nebula
Fuck I thought I solved Poro King for a second (was gonna go into shurima for rite of calling) but it rotated
naive nebula
Okay I think Reputation seems INSANE nowh
So does Siren Song tb
Sump Monumnet needs to be nerfed
Fuck this
Ryze can just hold you hostage forever now
Fuck that, Ryze can just never lose now
Okay yeah day 1 cards that need to get nerfed:
-Sump Monument 1000x
-Temple of True Ice
-Siren Song
There's probably more, but those three gotta get hit
Sump Monument especially
naive nebula
Add Anya and Froop
wispy latch
im seeing some good players do really well with nidalee
naive nebula
I've seen some, but I think she's worse than we thought
Issue is she's pretty obvious to predict
Pakka cub is the only good ambush card, and you've gotta run others
gilded pike
is that deny one not good
naive nebula
Nah, it's way too obvious when it's coming and it's matchup dependent
The decks you'd want deny against can just kill a 2/2 before you do it
The bird and air balloon guy are fucking unplayable
naive nebula
Also, is the game struggling really hard to find matches on mobile rn for anyone else?
It'll load and then freeze
naive nebula
Bilge was close, but not right for Poro King
You're only playing Bilge for Siren Song
Might as well go all the way and get husks
naive nebula
Don't prismatic your nidalee or neeko lmao
Prismatic Bush is prismatic nidalee
And Neeko is prismatic even if the other copies of the card aren't
Yeah we don't level poro king
We just make big elusives
naive nebula
How were they able to last caress my husk tentacle when I targeted the husk?
naive nebula
Red Gwen?
wispy latch
ye
naive nebula
I considered it, but I think Illaoi is better again imo
wispy latch
my favourite deck atm
naive nebula
Everyone is trying to go wide rn
wispy latch
trying different versions
naive nebula
If you go tall 3x over, they just can't interact
wispy latch
yeah
My biggest issue is evelyn stat bloat stuff
cuz if I cant beat over things with my hallowed buffs anymore my deck stops working
I can kinda win against neeko demacia but sometimes it just perfect curves you out of the game not much to do about it
wispy latch
I have to say every game vs nidalee decks is very interactive and interesting
wispy latch
yeah its really dumb
naive nebula
And the more I play Poro King, the more I think he's really high-rolly
wispy latch
But im also bad at playing vs husks I think
naive nebula
I've been trying a Poro/Eve deck and it's REALLY STRONG when it pops off
wispy latch
yeah poro king is not that good
naive nebula
It when it doesn't, he's really bad
Out of the three, I think I'd rank the new ones:
- Neeko?
2)Poro King? - Nidalee
Nidalee is the most fun to play around but she sucks
And the issue isn't her, imo
It's her package
wispy latch
i think nidalee and ambush are gonna get better once the meta settles
it has a lot of potential imo but its not gonna do well in first week chaos
neeko demacia go wide unga meanwhile takes perfect advantage of it
so to me its 1. neeko 2. nid
i played vs a few nida ekkos and that deck looks like the better version of ekko jinx
but hard to pilot
i think froop needs to get nerfed and then we'll see if its still a problem but i think longterm itll settle to not be the deck to beat
I think once the dust settles and ppl go back to meta poro will be a 45% for fun deck
naive nebula
Yeah I think Nida Ekko is the moves.
And yeah, Poro is not very good, but I think Evelyn is the best way to do it
wispy latch
ohh also age of dragon ramp is cool but karma sett will make it unplayable
Like in a week karma sett will dominate again and you cannot play age of dragons anymore then lol
wispy latch
actually to be honest if you play ramp asol you just win vs karma sett by not playing age right?
naive nebula
Yeah pretty much
I still stand by my list of suspected hits
Siren Song, Sump, Temple, and Froop
naive nebula
Reputation
naive nebula
Fair
wispy latch
it doesnt improve your karma sett match up
and the payoff requires you to run some mid cards
and it gets very awkward hands
But tbf might need some tuning
naive nebula
Sump needs to be a "the first time" honestly
grave zodiac
@naive nebula is poro king good
I remember reading him and thinking the snax were crazy
I read Nidalee and Neeko but don’t fully understand how ambush works
naive nebula
<@187296211814842370> is poro king good
Jury isn't out. He seems good if he's able to pop off and bad if he can't
Holy SHIT
Evelyn Kayle is insane
wispy latch
siren song needs to at least be 5 mans cuz t1 pass t2 sultur t3 siren t4 eve is just way too crazy
naive nebula
Yeah it's ridiculous
naive nebula
What
naive nebula
Actively playing the anti-synergy deck
Husk keywords fall off ambush units on transform
wispy latch
yeah no siren song needs a hotfix
its litteraly impossible to play vs eve targon
unless they draw crap
Like not even going perfect curve on kaisa beats it
its the most broken thing this game has seen in a while
naive nebula
It's ridiculous
It's a 4 drop that just outright wins you most matchups
This hand wins you the game 95% of the time
It also just turbo levels Xolaani
Which is shaping up to be ridiculous
I can usually drop her t7 as aspects bane, and if that happens they take like 200 damage
naive nebula
Okay as brutal as this deck is, the mirror is really good
naive nebula
Is there a way to report someone for roping literally every chance all game?
They lost, but they made my 5 minute game last 25
gilded pike
iirc you can report it through support either in game or after game if it has logs
naive nebula
Yeah I filed a report. You should only be able to go to timer a few turns tbh
wispy latch
Good ol salt ropers
naive nebula
He did it literally t1
muted olive
Alright mayhaps it's time to play this game again
wispy latch
balance patch soon so good timing
glossy flare
Mhmm.
wispy latch
I will always simp for this game
naive nebula
Yeah it's almost a good format once siren song dies
naive nebula
Okay so out of the top 4 in the open today: 9 were on siren's song decks
Out of all 64, 500ish decks in the field, 300 were siren's song
Winning deck in every region was Siren's Song Champion Strength, a deck that does not run Xolaani or Fizz for all the "Xolaani and Fizz are the problem" peeps
The winning player brought 3 different SS decks the
So the common denominator issue was SS
stone saddle
gilded pike
oof
https://playruneterra.com/en-us/news/game-updates/patch-4-7-notes/ I'll post this here anyways
naive nebula
Okay this patch actually looks really good
Coins to focus is huge
And fuck Siren Song lmao
gilded pike
I'm so fuckin glad yeah coins were overdue
jack was a piss poor excuse not to nerf them when you could just buff jack
naive nebula
Definitely and I'm glad they did the sensible thing and buffed him
He looks kinda fun now
wispy latch
that champ that needs to trade can actually trade now no way??
powder pan to 7c seems a bit harsh but I get it
wispy latch
im a samira fizz enjoyer I have to admit
I really thought theyd change how song works rather than just raise cost by 2
naive nebula
My personal change was keep it at 4 and go:
Plunder: Grant 1 cost allies everywhere +1/+1.```Would have fundamentally changeed the way the archetype plays to keep it more in line with standard bilgewater fair
naive nebula
Oh there's been one brewing for a bit
I'm definitely gonna try and make it work
Maybe P/Z to do a 2/3/1 split with Seraphine?
2 Jack, 1 Seraphine, 3 Nami
wispy latch
what value does sera have unless you turn it into a bibi deck?
naive nebula
The option to turn it into a Bibi deck lategame
wispy latch
im just gonna play some gwen until better players than me figure it out
i dont want it to be a bibi deck
on that note jack tf in eternal sounds fire
naive nebula
Didn't we just get a new crazy TF landmark too?
wispy latch
swindlers?
dunno how good he can use it
also the golden cresthawk
6 mana 6/6 tough manifest demacia spell
thats really fucking strong
with so much stuff nerfed lurk is probably quite strong
naive nebula
Probably
naive nebula
Oh fuck, Pyke can't level under sump monument
naive nebula
Okay yeah I'm sick of sump Monument already
Lemme just put like 60 fucking puffcaps in your deck with Reksai and still lose because RNG decided you win
naive nebula
Maybe Champion's Strength needs another hit too
gilded pike
lmao I get why siphoning strike still affects that but that's pretty rough
naive nebula
I just simply wouldn't play champion buff cards in an ambush deck
wispy latch
To be honest depending on the deck there is max 1-2 different cards the ambush could be
anyway
naive nebula
Yeah true. Some people are trying pure ambush, but there's not a lot of good ambush cards
The blimp guy is fucking unplayable
naive nebula
Sump Monument should be "first time you take damage each turn"
wispy latch
Warden of the tribes is such a lame deck ngl
I dont know why ppl want stuff like it viable
naive nebula
Because big neeko swing
muted olive
Idk none of the decks in LoR seem interesting or fun to me
Sigh, rotation took away all the cool stuff. Like 99% of everything I've played against has more or less been ooga booga big stat or overwhelm decks & nothing actually interesting
Nidalee is kinda interesting. Neeko is very boring. Poro king is also very boring.
💤
wispy latch
neeko and poro are very helmet yea
I enjoy sett viego a lot
feels like what control should be
though it has too many bad matchups
naive nebula
I just like playing Lurkers, Illaoi, and Gwen shit
muted olive
I enjoy sett viego a lot
List? I'll try it later
wispy latch
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wispy latch
Go next and queue up with a better deck
wispy latch
Yeah games feel very predecided
Its not very interesting for either side
I played the glorys call version a bit because I like the emporer deck cards and that felt kinda cool
but gets boring very fast
naive nebula
It's just "oh they got the vault off? They win"
wispy latch
I dont think its that contigent on drawing vaults rather the deck it queued into in the first place
naive nebula
Yeah true. It loses to elusive and Jhin aggro
But it really feels like it plays itself
wispy latch
yeah it both wins and loses by itself
the games it does lose you basically had no decision making either
naive nebula
Yeah true. It's like when Ryze was popular
You can tell the result of the match from the queue
Also, I keep saying it but FUCK Sump Monument
Love losing when they're at 2 because they just don't see any puffcaps from the 150 I just placed
Card should be the first time you take damage each turn
Actually, bump it up to 5 mana and make it apply to both players
That way they can't just spam elusives at you while you suffer
muted olive
New patch. Rise up gamers
wispy latch
Time for dragons
slim jacinth
Btw riot hired pvddr for LoR
One of the best magic players of all time
Curious how that will go
naive viper
Curious how that will go
Introducing the world's first virtual reserved list
naive nebula
I've come to the conclusion they should hit Samira again
How come theirs gets to be a 1 cost 0/3 but not mine
gilded pike
because that's a 2/2 silly
wispy latch
new vlad is pretty dope
gilded pike
Also we have a 1 drop 3/2
it also can't block
glossy flare
new vlad is pretty dope
New Vlad?
naive nebula
I'm sure the landmark is busted in the right shell
Permanent cost reduction is crazy
naive nebula
They should hit Samira again
Akshan Samira is actually insufferable
Deck just answers anything you've got
naive nebula
Okay after playing with the new formidable deck a bit, I think Galio should be buffed to 3/7
Maybe Gorlith and Drake too
It doesn't make sense they can't block fearsomes