breach-protocol

[unreal sedge]

Or even worse, they sit on their hands until the one left alive gets both teammates up and then it's a 2v3 which they will almost always lose

[edgy kestrel]

Not fast but charged shots overheat enemies also they have auto aim like volt thrower

[distant blaze]

paradigm shift spoilers // || they say its an infection that lives and takes over and can be controlled by a larger host and shit its the flood isnt it. its gonna be the flood ||

[sand prism]

Maybe I'm just in a weird spot rn in terms of "runner score". What's getting me is the blatant lying from my teammates.
There's the classic "there's only one up, he's one shot"
But my teams are faking exfils then LEAVING TO DO KEY ROOMS WITHOUT ME

[crystal junco]

||always has been the flood.||

[simple scarab]

bro there’s this one guy that had elite comms and we exfiled with an Outland each

I was deadass about to friend him

[distant blaze]

why didnt u :V

[unreal sedge]

I really need to do that more with my decent teammates. I just get weird with the socialness of that. I would rather just have in and out randoms but the average player isn't as seasoned yet so that's tough

[sand prism]

I get the "someone's down we need to push" stuff. But when I was maining Recon, I'd get a down and the Thieves, Destroyers, and Vandals would rush 100m away and blame me for losing the 2v2 (I literally cannot get there fast enough for it to be a 3v2) 😭

Playing Vandal for a bit feels like a TOTALLY different game tho so I get it

[viral beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bungie-marathon-bungie-marathon-void-true-gif-7100404200135171214

[upper solstice]

I've had people start screaming slurs into chat about us running away and leaving him in a fight when we were 200m away before the fight even started. Dude ran off on his own push and died alone. People's perceptions of events get really weird when degenerate gambling comes into play

He was play by playing the fight in voice chat like he was e-sports on a stream and I remember being confused as hell trying to figure out who he was talking to with all that.

he's fighting for his life calling all this shit out in like that gap between Greenhouse and Algae and we're looting arms lockers in maintenance.

[sand prism]

"One's down. I'm pushing". My brother in Christ, they are on Algae Roof with Outlands and WSTRs.

"I think we fight this"
what I currently see

[unreal sedge]

A lot of people do legit will run off and leave you though

[upper solstice]

yeah, dad's probably not coming back. Nobody takes that long to get a pack of smokes.

[wise jackal]

don't come to dire marsh

[bold otter]

for me????

[scarlet yew]

Dies to knife

Proceeds to create feedback thread

You know, the usual

[tulip peak]

Starts the feedback thread with “bungie kicked my dog”

[sand prism]

I have had no luck kitting the BR33 into something that works for me. I have had better luck putting cold-vigilance scopes on hardlines 💀

[grand magnet]

I almost don't care how it performs, I just want that sweet Halo battle rifle nostalgia kicking 😄

[upper solstice]

Yeah, it's like a warm bath.

Settle right into that three round burst and marginal scope

[grand magnet]

I found the unique one but not sure how it performs yet

[blissful helm]

Br33 and no shields just to feel like im playing swat

[velvet dawn]

Bro Marathon just be taking and taking and taking my shit. Loose everything every nite and I go broke selling all my mods. Every single nite.

[lyric trail]

I shudder to think of how games will go once free queue closes down and those people try playing games with me again

Although I have found great success in bringing an extra blue shield into squad fill for whichever fill mate chose not to risk anhthing

Will probably be even more important once blue is the wstr survival threshold tomorrow

[sand prism]

Tried sponsored queue and a team SCREAMED into prox chat because we didn't try to communicate with them before the team fight

[torn hare]

LOSE EVERYTHING SIMULATOR 🔥 🗣️

[unreal sedge]

Range and recoil reduction are the big ones

[lyric trail]

Free kit queue is full of the blazed xbox gamer that get really mad when you cant read their mind

[sand prism]

Does Trigger Discipline help with the sustained fire bloom?

[unreal sedge]

It can yeah, bits per second and keyboard warrior are also good

[stiff zodiac]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[wraith viper]

Meanwhile im suffering because my vault is full

I just wanna do Rook runs in peace

[lyric trail]

I stacked invis perks yesterday and was going so crazy style

I like the invis on reload on wstr way more than reload 3

And spectre protocol and triage cloak

My teamates were confused because I was invis half the match

On triage

[heavy totem]

Surprising yourself with making a workable build is so goated, I was moving around knifing bots while replenishing my shields in a random run

Forgot what the build was bc I got killed

[lyric trail]

Cant wait to bring my spartan laser out for one last ride at dire marsh or something this week

On its final trace

[grand magnet]

that's lowkey a sick still frame for the exfil, looks like an intended artwork 😅

[upper solstice]

I had this one the other day

[lavish thistle]

I don’t often succeed in getting the red key room, but when I do

It’s a fucking assassin core

[lyric trail]

Cool core tho

How does that pair with mini jammer?

[candid yacht]

doesnt the jammer basically give you away when invis

it blurs around you

[torn hare]

Mogged by gost commander

[viscid gull]

W core

[earnest oxide]

it's pretty tough tbh. biggest skill expression on triage and recon, is knowing when to push the advantage and rush in

much harder to do that; you almost need to be able to predict when knocks are coming because u see someone out of position on the enemy side and have already started advancing before your movement specialist teammates are even recognizing the situation. and this obv falls apart hard if you play on a team that's passive or not recognizing when to push well

good triages and recons that can do this are monstrous imo

[lyric trail]

I get recon but why triage?

Ive had much more success hanging back

[sand prism]

I tried Triage for a bit. Do people use Overheat builds with him?

[sterile ivy]

Hell yeah

[runic flicker]

BRO

IN SOLO

COME ON BUNGIE DO SOMETHING ABOUT SERVERS

[pure prairie]

Found it on a free kit warmup round 🤣

Now to figure out what 'performance under pressure' means 🤔

[woeful parcel]

Nice

@pure prairie

[pure prairie]

Oh damn, you had that locked and loaded

Oh neat, so it's basically a suped up BR33

well, mini-suped up

[wicked sentinel]

found this in perimeter in a locked box event in hauler

same exact gun

[pure prairie]

Dire Marsh hack crate event for me - complex

[soft prawn]

@dire crow check it.

[flat ledge]

mr beaST?

[queen raven]

MR BEAAAAAAAASTTT GIVE ME MONAYYYYY

It’s been a couple days since we got mr beasted

[pure prairie]

Oh damn, I missed it 🙁

[wicked sentinel]

is there skbm or is it level based or any at all?

[grand magnet]

your screenshots remind me of the death screens in STALKER for some reason

[grand magnet]

level

[wicked sentinel]

sweet fuck skill based

levels cool tho

[grand magnet]

not really honestly

[fallow tiger]

I was able to matchmake against level 40s yesterday

[wicked sentinel]

why do u say

[fallow tiger]

poor guy asked me why my knife was 1 shotting him (he didn't have shields)

[wicked sentinel]

im only 37

[wicked sentinel]

LEVEL 37

[grand magnet]

There's a recurring feedback lately, players getting matched with people way above their skill level. There's also the issue of going into squad fills with a good kit, and getting matched with grey free kits, or the other way around. Many players are asking for a different way to group random players, to similar gear levels.

To avoid going in with your good stuff only to get matched with grey freebies that will get downed instantly

[wicked sentinel]

ah I only play solo because of that

[grand magnet]

Yeah for solos it's fine but for teamplayers, it's quite a bit of an issue

[wicked sentinel]

Idk I feel like I've only been matched with people below or in my skill bracket

but I can see how it could be inconsistant

[grand magnet]

You're at level 37, it's still fine. But from gathering everybody's feedback, players noticed that when you reach around level 50-70, you'll tend to get matched with way higher skilled players

[wicked sentinel]

ah

[lyric trail]

Skill based matchmaking is just called matchmaking in every other genre btw

[wicked sentinel]

Yea I'd assume it gets pretty sweaty

[grand magnet]

Maybe it's a placebo and it's just that players have way better gear now, who knows. But it's still enough to be noticeable

Like players start to just go around the map and clear all player spawns very fast at a certain level, but this is season 1, players might as well just have learned the map. Only the start of Season 2 will tell

[lyric trail]

People just think sbmm was implemented now because all the fodder is off in free kit queue so they are forced to play with people their skill level since server pop is so low 😂

[grand magnet]

Really the only big issue I see is gear disparity and getting matched with shitty kitted players, that's one of the main gripes people have right now.

[lyric trail]

All the bad players not in free kit queue have left since sbmm isnt implemented and they just get stomped every game

[grand magnet]

But at this point we're on a loop on discord and reddit, it's the same feedback over and over again

[lyric trail]

Pretty much gone for me since the sponsor queue was added, 75% of players entering fill seem intentional and geared which is great

and I bring a spare blue shield in case someone is on green or grey

Exponentially boosted my exfil rates

[runic flicker]

so mid for a sponsored lockdown (there were reflex coils and biolens but i didnt need them)

[lyric trail]

Well and the rook union of course has increased the need to bring gear to outpost

[lyric trail]

Where do you get the av packs?

[runic flicker]

im at the 2nd upgrade + found one in a body of a blue shield bot

[lyric trail]

Ah okay I should rush that next, dont have any tiers of it yet

[runic flicker]

its important if youre high level + have good loot in ur vault

thats how u farm keys

and prestige salvagess

[lyric trail]

I feel so free now that Ive finally completed all my contracts

Can set my own goals now

[runic flicker]

i dont understand why i gott queued with them tho

[runic flicker]

im starting to like her a little bit

im trying to main her after: 1. assassin 2. recon 3. thief 4. destroyer 5. vandal

[pure prairie]

MR BEAAAAAAAAST

[lyric trail]

Mr

Baste

[flat ledge]

thick thighs save lives, recon mains rise up

JK

[fallow tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-i-was-crazy-once-locked-me-in-a-room-a-rubber-room-a-rubber-room-with-rats-gif-16657349004158031608

[proper tide]

HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK

[sand prism]

When you finally kill the gold team at Algae

[nocturne abyss]

mot
https://klipy.com/gifs/moth-BEv

[upper solstice]

well, someone did at least. Not you 😄

[runic flicker]

looks like someone got carried and took all the loot? 👀

[sand prism]

Dude(s) I wish they did damage reports

[upper solstice]

https://giphy.com/gifs/happy-lilo-and-stitch-M3a51DMeWvYUo

[cyan nest]

In all honesty the game dousent show assist either. But still 8 elems is crazy

[runic flicker]

i mean stats dont lie

in his picture in particular

[sand prism]

Alright Alright, cheeky lil Outpost run

The Destroyer and Triage were CRAZY with the snipes that game tho

[sand prism]

Vandal got the art community in a chokehold

[pure prairie]

For a second, my high ass thought this was a new mr beast shit post 🤣

[upbeat perch]

i brought all prestige to outpost as a triage and got two traxus freekit vandals and died to the first team fight instantly

[upper shadow]

tfw extract with 1 pp touch away from death

[clear heart]

Vandal

[odd python]

the gray mat plus core

also what actually tracks for this because ive been killing hostiles with varous abilities and it doesnt track

[upbeat perch]

now give it materialist++ where it randomly gives everyone on the team 1 prestige

[odd python]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-thinking-curious-drunk-gif-16053729103778145450

[ripe matrix]

i know that search and destroy works and thats good enough for me

[hearty pasture]

snd, thief vision

all i know

[grand magnet]

Killing UESC with Vandal's arm cannon works

[zealous elk]

outpost 3 reds door had a gold destroyed wing key (a total of 4 twins, 3 gold mods/implants, and a gold core)

[upbeat perch]

wait the 3 master card room had an outpost key? thats insane

[fallow tiger]

@hearty kayak

[vague violet]

hooooly shit

[upbeat perch]

oh god that enzyme replicator coming in clutch this week

i used to think they useless on how much they spawn

[tacit light]

use vandal’s tactical on 4 recruits

[strong cargo]

Holy FUCK the Randal sent me hahahahaha

[odd python]

yeah ive learned

[tacit light]

good teehee

[sterile ivy]

Exfilling from Outpost is impossible for me.

[clear heart]

Why

[sterile ivy]

Have had 0 exfils on Outpost in all 12 of my attempts.

[odd python]

man i wish cryo was just open all the time because i really wanna run one rn but i cant :(

[sterile ivy]

I dare not even touch Cryo any way lol

[odd python]

im not always in the mood for cryo so having it only open a certain time per week kinda just sucks

i dont run it often but i sometimes get the urge to run one just to see what happens

[vague violet]

the way we lowkey killed 12 people

[odd python]

worst case you just die but best case you get out with some insane shit

99% of runners stop gambling before they win big

[sterile ivy]

Worst case is die and lose your loadout you basically save up to "buy in" to the Archive

[odd python]

i get that but outpost makes that ez pz to get back

[sterile ivy]

If I COUDLD EXFIL FROM OUTPOST

[odd python]

now im just at the point where i run shit and kind of hope i lose the gear to clear some vault space

[sterile ivy]

Literally the only Exfil there is guarded

[odd python]

yah that be the point

harder to exfil but the loot is good

imo its the best map in the game because the risk/reward doesnt feel nearly as bad as cryo

like im suffering from success i need to lose some of these guns but i just keep winning

[graceful aspen]

Kill everyone on the map

[sterile ivy]

I have yet to feel the "risk/reward" of Outpost because I have not gotten to the reward part (exfiling with at least the unstable gel I've only been going in Outpost to get)

[odd python]

oops now you have 12 rooks

now the map is a cod zombies lobby

[sterile ivy]

I will NOT go any other shell that isn't Vandal

[odd python]

are you just filling because yeah you need a trio to succeed in this game

[graceful aspen]

Yeah vandal is decent on outpost esp pre agi

[odd python]

well i mean thats not doing any favors

being flexible is important but i get it

[graceful aspen]

Vandal is flexible that’s the point

[vague violet]

blue chip volley? smh what are you poor?

[odd python]

i dont have a lot of free chips atm

[sterile ivy]

I'm just not a good player lol

In any case, I'm not ready for Outpost but I need what's in there.

[vague violet]

i'm not either but i straight up bait myself and my teammates cleaned house in my most recent run

[graceful aspen]

What lvl are you?

[odd python]

vandal is flexible but she isnt really that good imho, at least not right now. her slide is her biggest downfall imo

[vague violet]

i disagree

[odd python]

rn youre much better running destroyer or thief for mobility

[graceful aspen]

Nah vandal is much more mobile than thief. Thief has one case where she’s better.

[woeful parcel]

Youre playing her wrong if you think she isnt strong lol

[vague violet]

ye idk lol

you can just powerslide into someone with shotgun and then blow their brains out

[woeful parcel]

Any change to her slide and allowing to shoot faster, slide cancel etc would make her the most whined about shell in one evening lol

[sterile ivy]

Thief has a grapple hook, that's a good escape plan, but Vandal and Devastator definetly have some fantastic mobility you'd get from Quake or DOOM but it's split across two different shells

[graceful aspen]

0.6 second faster vertical is massive, slide + ult goes hard, slide is faster close. Best part is that you can leave, confuses the fuck out of ppl.

[vague violet]

instant verticality with double jump is v underrated

[graceful aspen]

Most grapplers get skeeted tbh

[vague violet]

do people forget why hunter was complained about in d2 for so long lol

[graceful aspen]

80% of marathon players cannot deal 100 damage to a vandal that is sliding away.

[vague violet]

✋

[odd python]

agree to disagree i guess. she was the first shell i mained at launch and while she does have some nice benefits like the jump, i just find that for what she does, i can do better with destroyer. i just think she's still outclassed, kind of like pre-buff recon. just sits in a weird spot in the game for me and i just never find myself in a situation where i feel vandal would have done better. thats just me though. she's still a fun shell to play of course

[graceful aspen]

Destroyer is better yeah, just doesn’t quite have the versatility.

[sterile ivy]

Vandal is great for my play style, but I need to learn the maps so I can take advantage of her mobility.

[graceful aspen]

Vandal is midline, being able to play midline fucks

[odd python]

vandal is good on more open maps for sure, no one can fuck off like vandal does and reposition but in most of my pvp encounters destroyer lets me fuck harder lol

[graceful aspen]

Destroyer hits diffrent yeah

Shotgun <3

[odd python]

love me shield

love me thrusters

simple as

[graceful aspen]

Shield OP but nobody knows how to use it

[odd python]

yeah people forget to use it most times lmao (im people)

[graceful aspen]

Very over/under use situation

[odd python]

yeah

there's still a lot to learn in this game it feels like, even with 250 hours played. always room to improve

i have been loving recon since her buffs i will say

esp the seeker drone fix i have much better results with it now

[sterile ivy]

I play very casually, so I don't ever look int strategy. I never bother with other players eithger because I prefer a friendly run if possible.

[odd python]

yeah youre not gonna find a lot of success in this game that way unfortunately

[graceful aspen]

This is a pvp game

[sterile ivy]

Water is wet.

[graceful aspen]

Nope, tarkov for example isn’t.

[sterile ivy]

But I don't want to play Tarkov.

[graceful aspen]

At least in my day

[graceful aspen]

Yes?

[lyric trail]

??????????

[odd python]

this game arguably has the most pvp focus out of any other extraction shooter

[lyric trail]

Tarkov is a pvp game

[graceful aspen]

No you chose to make it one, it’s objectively more profitable to rat (at least at a certain skill level). In Mthn it’s strictly optimal to kill, and no play style can avoid it.

[clear heart]

You can have a friendly run just disengage

[sterile ivy]

I do my best.

[clear heart]

Same

[odd python]

remember kids, hit da bricks!

[sterile ivy]

I'm still learning this game,

[graceful aspen]

Hand over your Arachne membership

[odd python]

running away is always viable

[graceful aspen]

True, this post made by vandal gang. Always engage, always be the last team member standing.

[odd python]

but i will track you down if you run from me

[graceful aspen]

Your entire team files into my wstr.

There only room for one person at a time in the evil pit of doom.

(I will miss full team wstr files)

[odd python]

yes but consider i have 20,000 frag grenades inside my ass

[graceful aspen]

True, however I cannot be killed by frags as I am vandal and this immune to explosives.

Also you used all them on my team already.

[odd python]

wrong my heat grenades will ruin you

[graceful aspen]

Their damage is too low and I have a mechanics kit on.

Also the radius is tiny

You must enter the pit of doom down the ladder of death to land them, and then you should just shotgun me

(There’s some spots in this game)

[lunar nacelle]

@earnest oxide I think they're so puffy!

Like little inflatable boats

[earnest oxide]

yes but these are my puffy running shoes. she could step up her game

[lunar nacelle]

damn those are puffy too

[graceful aspen]

Calf reveal

[unreal sedge]

Hunt has it beat pretty easily

[clear heart]

Best pic

[ruby kraken]

spot the assassin

[granite tartan]

I need a red circle

[ruby kraken]

you don't get a red circle
you're dead

[granite tartan]

Shit needs to get nerfed on God

[ruby kraken]

ong

[granite tartan]

Destiny players: we hate invis
Bungie: ok so what if we made it worse

[ruby kraken]

if there's a sound effect that plays when he's invis it's really fucking quiet

[granite tartan]

At least i could SEE the invis players in Destiny

[ruby kraken]

also this game is a loud game so that's just lipstick on a pig

[granite tartan]

Could you imagine if covenant elites had invis like assassin on legendary halo back in the day 😭

[ruby kraken]

they need to rework the slight invis effect instead of him just looking like he's covered in oil

give the objects behind him a slight distortion effect

like you're looking through a glass cup or something

[lament depot]

is there a way out of drone wing when you do truth/lies 2/6

[vague violet]

it is bugged

sorry dude

[pseudo echo]

Legit was holed up staring at an entrance to hold off a team… assassin strolls in unseen even though I'm ads on where they came into the room and shotguns me… didn't even see them a tiny bit… def needs a nerf

[vague bobcat]

What is the point of this chat other than having image perms

[graceful aspen]

Breaching

[flat ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-groomsmen-the-groomsmen-second-chances-jonathan-bennett-not-everything-has-to-have-a-point-doesnt-have-to-have-a-point-gif-7081885502981988902

[vague bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-14149886028736974766

[graceful aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-game-marathon-bungie-marathon-cyberacme-cyberacme-marathon-arachne-gif-13083982499840086616

[queen raven]

nice little lobby wipe to end on after getting slammed all evening

would have been even better but my chud no comms random saved a red key for exfil even though i said 5x that i had two on me and we needed one more for red room

alas, the bag was still solid

[cyan nest]

Wished i had some of thoes when i stepped on that nail that 1 time.

[signal linden]

Really? I honestly think the assassin invis and thief visor abilities are super loud personally, probably only behind rook abilities which are insanely loud

[ruby kraken]

I entered that room and there was zero indication that anyone was in there or had been in there

the only way i would've known he was sitting in there was if i was playing recon and just happened to have my ability ready

or if i threw a prox alarm in there but lets be honest who tf is throwing prox alarms everywhere

[signal linden]

There is a sound effect at the start and end of the invis, and for the entire duration of it, though the start and end are definitely louder

[ruby kraken]

there needs to be some sort of actual drawback to invis to make it fair because there was no way i would've heard any kind of sound with what is happening ingame on outpost most of the time

[granite tartan]

Just because you hear the general direction of the assassin standing still doesnt mean you know where to shoot even if hes dead center of your screen, because hes literally invisible

[ruby kraken]

atleast make the sound louder

[pale lark]

True but u can’t dash with the assassin

[ruby kraken]

what

[granite tartan]

If you tell me the audio in this game is perfectly attuned to 3d space i would tell you that youre hallucinating

[pale lark]

Other characters ha r dashes and different escapes

[ruby kraken]

i'm talking about assassins invis

recon doesn't have any movement ability
neither does triage

lack of movement ability doesn't make a shell bad

[granite tartan]

Yeah but triage has gun

Recon has
Recon has....

[ruby kraken]

claymore roomba

[granite tartan]

Recon is still bad because her trait is literally nonexistent

[ruby kraken]

true

i do enjoy her drone though

she needs a footstep tracker
i think that would do it

[signal linden]

Again, it may be headphone dependent, but I feel like the audio is pretty significant for invis. I think the main thing that assassin needs is something to reduces his strength in solo play, since he is not overly strong in 3s.

[granite tartan]

Yeah it needs to be an active ability rather than a passive one

[ruby kraken]

wait which one

[signal linden]

Recon's new ult is insanely powerful

[granite tartan]

Her footstep tracker?

[ruby kraken]

oh yeah i agree

[granite tartan]

Yeah but now her ult is what a 200 someodd second ult should be lmao

[ruby kraken]

tbh if triage, thief and assn can have 3 active abilities why can't recon

[granite tartan]

That still doesnt excuse the fact shes two thirds of a character

[signal linden]

Yeah you might be under-utilizing energy amps

[ruby kraken]

would you say destroyer and vandal have that issue though? their movement abilities make up for not having a third active

[granite tartan]

Their movement abilities are their actives

Oops wrong reply

[ruby kraken]

i suppose

[granite tartan]

You have to actively use them

[pale lark]

Listen, characters have different abilities, can work better or worse in different scenarios, but u can’t dash find also 1 trick players that make them work in any scenario.
There is jot better or worse, just different

[granite tartan]

Sure I could use an energy amp, but I could also use an energy amp on a lower cooldown ult? Theres a reason her base CD is generally longer than the rest of them.

[signal linden]

I think if recon ult was any shorter it would be a must run character on every map. Would just lock people into triage/recon/ (destro/thief/assassin)

[granite tartan]

Im not saying it should be shorter?

[signal linden]

Then I don't really understand your point I guess

You said earlier that recon was still weak

[granite tartan]

If the only thing she has consistently going for her is her ult, then she is still weak.

Her drone still fucks up a non-ignorable amount of time, her interrogation trait is literally useless in solos, and her foot tracker does not matter 99% of gun fights

[signal linden]

Her passive is functional, her tracker drone is better (though still jank sometimes) and her ult is busted. Makes her on par with assassin whose invis is strong, dive is functional, and ult is situational.

[signal linden]

Yeah but I mean, the game is pretty clearly not designed around solo play, since solo play wasn't even originally included. They are doing what they can to balance the game for it now, but initial design did not account for solos

I wouldn't say destroyer shield is that useful in solos either

[granite tartan]

Sure, I can forgive interrogation. I understand the way it is, so if we ignore that we have useful grenade roulette and pretty pixels around a dead body

[vague violet]

my game crashed for the first time the literal microsecond I swung a sniper

[lime rock]

well you can eat bullets with it, dash at enemy and kill even in solos

[vague violet]

thank you bungie very cool

[granite tartan]

Honestly the only thing im really asking for is for her to be able to do SOMETHING while her drone is on cooldown.
Destroyer has tac sprint and dodge
Vandal has slide and double jump
Assassin's strongest ability is on a 60 second cd and is active inside any smoke (i forget his second trait) and he cant take fall damage i guess
Thief doesnt need explaining
Triage drones have near constant uptime and he has weapon handling boost on command

I also forget triage second trait :x
I think its shareware

[ruby kraken]

yeah shareware

which is great for dire marsh lockdown

[granite tartan]

Hiding the unicorn vomit 😔

Sick decor tho

[feral kindle]

Nah, dude. It looks soooo good on the Holographic.

[granite tartan]

Oh thats holo?

[granite tartan]

YOOOOOO

[feral kindle]

It's semi transparent, so the unicorn vomit looks great.

IKR?! 😄

[edgy kestrel]

Nice lungs bro

[torn hare]

👀 crypto 🤑 野獸先生加密貨幣 🥀 Mister Beast 💵 Yěshòu xiānshēng jiāmì huòbì

[edgy kestrel]

Still waiting for Thandal render in 8k

[feral kindle]

Brought to you by Sekiguchi Genetics bby!

[arctic topaz]

where did you get that? that's awesome

[feral kindle]

Came with the Collections Edition of the game.

[arctic topaz]

oh wow a genuinely good collectors edition material thing that's nice

[feral kindle]

Yeah, there was some cool stuff that came with it!

[rough finch]

Acromatic Rush Misriah shell casing has this on it, by the way.

[upbeat perch]

liar

[upbeat perch]

i am just going to assume you added that brody

[rough finch]

Here’s the texture sheet, king.

[upbeat perch]

fucked up if true

but yeah thats neat i wonder what other shit is in there

i want to port outpost to vrc

but goddamn that would be hard

but who da fuck is mommy in this situation

[rough finch]

I can see the pinwheel working, at least.

[upbeat perch]

i need the rain man

[rough finch]

True.

[upbeat perch]

my bucket list is long and the tanker from mgs2 is first up

you can sense a pattern here

https://tenor.com/view/mgs-mgs2-metal-gear-solid-2-true-gif-306671928856008056

[graceful aspen]

waster final night, its been an honor. Going to wipe 10 outpost lobbies as destroyer

[grim ravine]

Bro

Hit the jackpot on a dead body 30 seconds into a rook run

[torn hare]

zamn

[upbeat perch]

ima be right there with ya brother

[cyan nest]

Chat can i plz get the full image to this emoji

[vague violet]

IM FREEEEEE

[tacit light]

vandal

[fallow tiger]

Canonically i think it would be nona since she creates your shell and stuff

[torn hare]

What in the actual satan is that contract bro

💀

[tacit light]

where on the weapon is this

[hearty kayak]

the bullet casings that eject when you fire it

[tacit light]

oh damn

[edgy kestrel]

Nothing compared to vault 6

[sterile ivy]

Deadass not doing Sekiguci contracts

[flint mica]

[vague violet]

hell on earth and i fucking Punt NONA into the sun if i could

[torn hare]

real

that worm is evil bro

[vague violet]

I just got ratted trying to do purple maintenance key when a lockdown ocurred on maintenance at 15 minutes and they were just sitting there waiting for 8 minutes

like ok lol

i legit do not know if they were cheating or if they just knew but we made zero sound in AI uplink

they didnt do lockdown either

[marsh abyss]

People do just camp the hell out of maint it being a high traffic zone and all

[vague violet]

they just camped outside it

right but until 8minutes and not doing the lockdown?

fr?

[marsh abyss]

It just be like that sometimes.

[stiff zodiac]

went to outpost with a free kit, knifed some thief who popped out of a vent in flight control, exfilled with this

[vague violet]

i just want to know if they knew or are cheating it's kinda whatever i've already lost 3 purple keys on marsh to random bullshit

[steady solstice]

nice, my outpost experience tonight has been entire trios hiding in a room with shotguns

[vague violet]

im really just stunned that they just probably sat there waiting when lockdown started at 15

[round ridge]

I often underestimate the the camping capacity of some people

Last cryo we had a team camp 2 bodies of our team for nearly 10min, wasn't early in the run either

Like surely they have other things to do with their time in the run... Nope

[torn hare]

yea thats just foul tbh

who does that 😭 GO PLAY THE DAMN MAP

[sterile ivy]

PAIN. SUFFERING EVEN.

[hearty kayak]

go rush poi, toggle tad

ezpz

[vague violet]

that 1 SINGULAR UESC you let go that one time is laughing it up rn

[sterile ivy]

I never let any clanker go. I slime them out as qucikly as I can

[vague violet]

That’s what the clankers want you to think

[sterile ivy]

ACAB
All Clankers Are Bastards

They are a crude mockery of Bionicles

Clankers are to Runners what Galidor is to Bionicle

FINALLY

I HAVE HER

GEEZ

[torn hare]

yipee!

[vale dawn]

would this be the correct channel to share marathon artwork

[hearty kayak]

#🎨marathon-community-art-chat

[vale dawn]

thanks

[torn hare]

lol an ignored user vomit reacted vandal lip bite

bro has no taste 😭 🥀

[cyan nest]

Dier Marsh is my fav map

Ok gn everyone

[river narwhal]

Still can't believe Durandal is voiced by this guy. He kills it though.

Ben Starr NEVER misses with great roles.

[edgy kestrel]

Agree, I love Vandal, one of the best fictional characters

[zealous wigeon]

https://vxtwitter.com/marathonarchive/status/2046364534840123471?s=46

Marathon Archive (@MarathonArchive)

Among Us?

u/BoofTheMighty

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 20, 2026, 11:04 PM

https://tenor.com/view/arachne-marathon-skinthemall-yo1738-gif-6426279616308117012

[hearty kayak]

bro couldve gotten so much arachne xp

[zealous wigeon]

#true

[hearty kayak]

actually you dont get

faction xp as a rook

or do you

I cant remember

[zealous wigeon]

No u do

I actually looked it up

U gain 20% more reputation with rook lmao

(Same buff applies to regular solo play)

[woeful parcel]

Ofc you do lol

[hearty kayak]

i just dont recall seeing the faction specific xp popup

but granted I havent played rook for a couple of weeks

[zealous wigeon]

I dont think it pops up with rook ?

Odd

But u still get the xp

[hearty kayak]

oh maybe why then

[lean kindle]

you iust get a fraction of the normal amount as rook

[zealous wigeon]

Could be off tho

Don’t play much rook

[zealous wigeon]

No i believe u get more rep as rook

As opposed to regular trio

[lean kindle]

no you get less way less

[zealous wigeon]

Im fairly certain thats wrong

[lean kindle]

like looting a body you get 5 arachne

versus 20 as a runner

[zealous wigeon]

Think its fair tbh

Rook is way harder

[lean kindle]

yeah, I sure doesn’t feel like that because I get way more even not doing contracts as a runner

[zealous wigeon]

U don’t get contracts ya

[lean kindle]

as I said, not even doing contract as a runner, I still get more

[zealous wigeon]

Plus like, if a teammate does smth for rep u get that bonus too

So it ends up being more as a trio anyway

[zealous wigeon]

Ya cause faction rep is shared in a team

The 20% buff for rook & solos is nice tho

Those players get to keep up asw

[woeful parcel]

I know a shit ton of us leveled up arachne by just playing rook

[next jolt]

2 hour maintenence to change shotgun dmg

maneee

[raw sorrel]

4

[grand magnet]

Yeah I wonder why their maintenance is so long, I've never seen this in other multiplayer games

[next jolt]

7 to 9

9-7=2

[zealous wigeon]

There’s likely gonna be alot more changes

[grand magnet]

Maybe there's a lot of server side stuff that needs to be upgraded too I don't know

[zealous wigeon]

I imagine its just bug fixes mostly

[raw sorrel]

It's not 7 pdt

[raw sorrel]

It's 5

[next jolt]

brodie the timezones dont matter

[raw sorrel]

5-9 pdt

[raw sorrel]

4 hours

[next jolt]

2 hours

[zealous wigeon]

The update is available at 7 but the game is down earlier than that

So its more than 2

[raw sorrel]

Look up on Google what time it is in pdt

Ends 9am pdt

[next jolt]

yes

7 am pdt to 9 am pdt

2 hours

[woeful parcel]

Ends at 9 but login at 8

[raw sorrel]

But it's not 7am pdt?

[woeful parcel]

Login as in available to play

[zealous wigeon]

Dawg the game is down before 7am

2 hrs before

Its 5rn

[raw sorrel]

That's when they tell us about it you got "login available" right after that

[next jolt]

u might be right

[raw sorrel]

You think?

[woeful parcel]

Maintenance starts at 5, not 7. L2r

[next jolt]

might

[zealous wigeon]

Funny conversation lmao

[raw sorrel]

Are you ok?

[woeful parcel]

Nobody in this chat is alright.

[next jolt]

actually feeling kinda down lately

[raw sorrel]

It's the game

I feel it to

[next jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/нет-нет-gif-777457019140191818

me when i cant even curse on a discord server thats made for an adult game

ban these mf

blatant racism

[wise hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/netanyahu-israel-gif-6644269050463162583

[next jolt]

i need to wait 3 more hours to play?

[unreal sedge]

2:47

[next jolt]

fuck man

wait i can say fuck?

[lyric trail]

Antigrain why are you down

[next jolt]

i expected so much more from marathon. I was hyped for 1 whole year. And now its just apex but harder

arc raiders had way more innovative gameplay

they hyped up the implants and cores so much

its just another shooter

[lyric trail]

Oh weird I had the opposite experience

I expected shit and got the titanfall of extraction shooters

[next jolt]

yeah i guess the trailers and the artwork made me set my expectations way to high

[lean kindle]

curious to hear what you expected

[reef whale]

If by innovation you mean, "here's the same robot but it shoots flames instead" then sure I guess.

Very innovative

[lyric trail]

Ive not played arc raiders, just tarkov

[next jolt]

nah the diff bots and shi

[lyric trail]

My boyfriend tells me the monsters in arc look neat though

Havent looked myself

[lean kindle]

if there was one thing, they did really cool for arc raiders that’s how they made the robots

[next jolt]

in marathon the bots are really uninteresting. Nomatter what bot lvl, just shoot at the head from cover until dead

[opaque pewter]

Bungie has at least always proven strong at reiterating. If you’re bummed by the current state of Marathon, your hope for improvement probably won’t be misplaced.

[lean kindle]

they didn’t make animations for them and instead they use the machine learning to have them not only teach themselves how to move, but how to defend themselves

[sick flint]

I do feel like cores and such are not adding too much creativity to builds, just some basic buffs to be fair

[lean kindle]

Not AI like generative AI, but rather be iterative machine learning where it basically repeats the same action over and over until it succeeds and learns from it

[next jolt]

the implants are really just stat buffs

[lean kindle]

no they do more than that

[next jolt]

nothing creative with a few exeptions

[lyric trail]

Implants are more useful for the perks than the stat buffs

[lean kindle]

I feel like you’re not reading the descriptions of the implants and cores

[lyric trail]

Spectre protocol my beloved

[next jolt]

way too conditional wand weak

[lean kindle]

OK, I guess there’s no arguing with you. You just wanna be here to be upset. You got it.

[next jolt]

There was so much more potential

[sick flint]

I mean they do give some extra/interesting sometimes buffs but half of Thief's cores are kinda lame, i just expected a bit more variety

[next jolt]

i think i just disagree with u bro

[lean kindle]

whatever you say, buddy

[lyric trail]

You know there are valid criticisms like vault space + shop availability doesnt allow one to consistantly buildcraft but you are saying opinions that kind of make it seem like you havent played the game

Not disagreeing with you but thats why you get pushback

[next jolt]

i see the passives and buffs but they just have too litle impact for my taste

IE, i expected more

[sick flint]

I just hoped for some crazy builds, but the game's design went a different way so it is what it is. Not like i'm not having fun, just thought it would be more about the shells' power fantasy thats all

[next jolt]

:(

[reef whale]

Buddy just wants arc raiders 2.

[next jolt]

Dont get me wrong, i refunded arc raiders instantly

[brisk hearth]

when the

[next jolt]

You should still consider my arguments even tho im not a bungie nerd

[lyric trail]

Whats wrong with this, the x-ray visor is a crazy ability

[reef whale]

But you avidly defend the "innovation" when you say you instantly refunded it. Copium.

[next jolt]

wym. arc raiders did alot of things better than marathon

[unreal sedge]

Had the complete opposite experience. Arc had a couple interesting ideas but just has done nothing with it. MTN is still experimenting and trying things and already had better shooting, sound, and environments from day 1

[next jolt]

i prefer mrathon by a longshot tho

Exfills in marathon are so boring

[lyric trail]

Look if you want to do the bit you appear to be trying to do it helps to ingrain yourself in the community and learn real biting criticisms first

[next jolt]

every exfill is stand in this circle for 10 seconds

[reef whale]

F tier rage bait.

[lyric trail]

Ive ran with the best of the psy-oppers and this isnt impressive

[next jolt]

id love secret exfills

[reef whale]

Almost got me ngl.

[next jolt]

or exfills that are conditional like keays u find to unlock exfills

[unreal sedge]

We have locked exfills...

And guarded

[next jolt]

Cloudy u needa touch grass bro ur mad for no reason

[next jolt]

i was think kinda like EFT

[reef whale]

Actually I give you like C tier because I almost took the bait.

[lyric trail]

Antigrain you play runescape?

[next jolt]

nah

[lyric trail]

Darn, was going to send you to my mentor to get some lessons

You need them

[next jolt]

i think marathon is just to forgiving. I loved the hardcore experience from EFT

[feral parrot]

or it's just between tarkov and arc raiders as a happy middle ground

[next jolt]

unlimited freekits

[feral parrot]

nuance is allowed to exist

[next jolt]

yeah as i said i still like it alot

[feral parrot]

that would require me scrolling up

which is hard and difficult

[next jolt]

i have been playing marathon everyday since launch

[feral parrot]

i can't be bothered to obtain context before i start offering my own opinions

[next jolt]

aye u dont have to

[feral parrot]

exactly.

i'm glad u get it

[unreal sedge]

Eh eft was way too harsh for me, no way to get momentum and asked way too much

[lyric trail]

I think eft is fine, its just bogged down by cheaters

[next jolt]

I just said i was a little bit dissapointed with marathon and ppl started getting mad at me

[unreal sedge]

Hunt is still peak for me

But MTN has been fun

[lyric trail]

And they fumbled the hardcore wipe

[next jolt]

yeah

[feral parrot]

criticism in my official server? be still my heart how dare

[next jolt]

grrr

[lyric trail]

Because its surface level criticism that makes it sound like you watched a youtube video

[next jolt]

THis guy said arc raiders, kill him with hammers

[unreal sedge]

There's a lot of room for improvement on mtn for sure but I'm seeing the signs that they're gonna put in that work

[unreal sedge]

Interested to see how the ranked meta moves with the wstr nerfs

Probably gonna see more bullies

[next jolt]

needed a nerf

[unreal sedge]

Yeah

[near python]

sniper meta returns

[unreal sedge]

Well it was sniper/wstr

So

[next jolt]

atleast with snipers u have a chnace

[near python]

sniper bully

[unreal sedge]

That's a bit unavoidable on dire marsh

They need more foliage between poi's if they are gonna get away from snipers being op

[next jolt]

idk bout u guys but i load into dire marsh with purple kits alot and i can run around the entire map without meeting anyone

[unreal sedge]

I don't play solos

[next jolt]

its all assasin crouchwalking from poi to poi

theyre soo scared to lose their green shield

[unreal sedge]

Lol that's what I'm talking about

There's not a route with any level of cover

[next jolt]

nah there is

[rain talon]

delete solo queue

[next jolt]

it is a very open map but its not that bad

[next jolt]

i will prolly stop playing then

im so tired of losing purple kits to randoms with an IQ of 20

so glad i found ppl to play this game with

[unreal sedge]

It is that bad lol, when you can get 1 tap downed and there is no safe route between poi's with even visual cover

[next jolt]

i usually run edge map

i run purple shields so i dont get one tapped

also bubble shields and abilities exist

im one tapping alot of green shields tho

might just be a SBMM issue

purple kits getting into green kit lobbies

[lyric trail]

Yesterday was particularly bad but I dont think it was indicative of the norm

Druggies were incapacitated and attempting to play marathon en masse for some reason

[queen raven]

Yeah I was getting hosed by bad teammates. played 4 games and died 1 team shy of a lobby wipe 3 of them, finally got the full wipe on the last game of the night

Last game was weird asf, no mic teammates with free kits and we somehow lobby wiped

[unreal sedge]

You can still get 1 tapped by an outland on blues(probably shouldn't)

[lyric trail]

Had one guy no joke weed induced paranoid about getting stalked by a purple shield team to the point where he sat on a vent in pinwheel and watched it until time ran out and he started freaking out when we told him he should move or get left behind

[dusky idol]

its a video game no?

[lyric trail]

Druggies mad

[candid yacht]

I knew the gun was fucking broken

[lyric trail]

When you smoke weed and squad fill you ruin my game

[dusky idol]

huh? asking a question = mad to sobers?

[wooden meadow]

Any patch notes yet

[dusky idol]

lol. why would you squad fill if you dont want to play with randoms? sounds like thats a problem for you my friend

[edgy kestrel]

Idk I like uesc bots. They look cool. Most of them are not interested in fighting but the perimeter warden is pretty cool

[lyric trail]

Damn you take a lot of offence to being called out for illegal behaviour

[dusky idol]

weed isnt illegal? lol alcohol should be though

[lyric trail]

Classic druggie cope

[unreal sedge]

I had a guy audibly do a line at the beginning of a match before 💀

[next jolt]

arc bots are designed in a more interesting way and require a little bit of creativity

[edgy kestrel]

Pretty cool core

[next jolt]

to fight

[dusky idol]

i hope you find some peace in your gaming life 🙂 good luck out there runner

[unreal sedge]

Completely disagree. The arc enemies aren't designed well for this genre. There's no way to take them out without making a crap ton of noise. They draw a lot of attention and there's no counter play to them.

[lyric trail]

I have peace but thanks for the well wishes. I hope you find sobriety someday

[next jolt]

atleast its not shoot at thead from cover until deadf

[edgy kestrel]

There are secret exfils on cryoarchives

[wooden meadow]

No shotgun nerf?

[next jolt]

yeah but cryo is cryo right

i want that on all maps

[dusky idol]

lol sobriety. thats a word people with addiction issues / religious barriers like to use.

[edgy kestrel]

Cloudy u needa touch grass bro ur mad for no reason

[lyric trail]

I have neither, I just respect my body and my mind

[reef whale]

You right you right 🫃

[edgy kestrel]

Ranked is not forgiving or Cryo vaults also not really forgiving if you play in a random fill

[dusky idol]

thats cool, hopefully you can find some peace and respect your soul too 🙂

[lyric trail]

Already done without harmful chemicals

[edgy kestrel]

It was always there,...

[next jolt]

ywah im not talking about cryo. Cryo did a lot off things right. But i wished for this lvl of interesting gameplay on all maps

[edgy kestrel]

In ranked?

[next jolt]

nah not ranked

solos

[dusky idol]

3 gold cryo keys taking up room in my vault.

[edgy kestrel]

Play ranked

[edgy kestrel]

Sell

[dusky idol]

ranked = aimbots

[edgy kestrel]

You can run ranked solo

[next jolt]

crewill ranked= u will lose ur kit

[edgy kestrel]

Ranked=aimbots+sweats+bug abusers

[next jolt]

100% guaranteed

[edgy kestrel]

Yes I lost all my shit that way on dire marah

[edgy kestrel]

-12 purple shields -8 gold weapons

[dusky idol]

but i will say - bungie has done a better job with hackers - even with aimbot - hackers can lose in this game

[edgy kestrel]

-6 purple backpacks

[next jolt]

not fun. I will never crew fill again i think

coulda just sold my kit in the first place

[edgy kestrel]

Yeah but there are still people who load in the same ranked game and exchange their kits with each other to gain points without fighting

[next jolt]

team has green shields and no mic and no brain

[dusky idol]

i didnt know this was a thing lool. oh shit.

[edgy kestrel]

For me it is blue shields but I agree with them not being super tactical

[snow sentinel]

I literally had someone say, "no it's cool, you guys can do your own thing" then ran off and got blown to shreds instead of working together lmfao

[next jolt]

haahahhaa

[snow sentinel]

WHY DID YOU FILL?????

Sociopath behavior

[unreal sedge]

Wstr not in patch notes?

[pure prairie]

Apparently, WSTR is getting brought out to pasture as well

https://x.com/Ziegler_Dev/status/2045274298517201156

Ziegler (@Ziegler_Dev)

UPDATE: WTF WSTRs

We're gonna take a shot at bringing the WSTR more in line. Right now it's become a dominant option and is eclipsing a lot of the other short range options that exist in the game. SOOOOOO... as of Tuesday 4/21 (likely 8AM PT) the WSTR will no longer be able to

X · Apr 17, 2026, 10:52 PM

Not sure why it wasn't in the notes 🤔

[unreal sedge]

Old news

[next jolt]

bungie needa fire some ppl

[unreal sedge]

But yeah that's good

[plucky vessel]

Will you go against other solos or teams?

[zealous wigeon]

https://vxtwitter.com/marathondevteam/status/2046593558518636631?s=46

Marathon Development Team (@MarathonDevTeam)

As Joe mentioned below, we tracked down and fixed the regional matchmaking issue that was routing a small set of players into the wrong matches, leading to some rougher lobbies. That fix is live with Update 1.0.6.1.

Thank you for flagging this so quickly - your feedback always helps. If we make any changes that impact your gameplay, like with matchmaking, we'll continue to let you know.

QRT: Ziegler_Dev
Matchmaking is a complex series of wires and circuits trying to connect players to give them the best time to match while also providing quality matches. In that complex nest of things we found a bug related to regional matchmaking that is affecting a very small set of players that is unintentionally putting them in matches they’re not supposed to be in. We’re prepping a fix to get in for Tuesday morning 4/21 PT to fix this.

Thanks for helping us find this, we’ll work on smoothing it out.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 21, 2026, 2:15 PM

Goat team

[dusky idol]

servers still down right?

[mint root]

https://giphy.com/gifs/robot-familia-tick-z4wzc6sS3I3LoWBlLi

[dusky idol]

logged into the other game .. coudlnt get my self to play more then 1 game loool

[edgy kestrel]

Yes

[snow sentinel]

I don't think I'll play it again. It doesn't respect time. Endgame is non existent. The communication isn't there from the devs.

Marathon on the other hand... Goated with the Death Sauce

[unreal sedge]

I'm really surprised they haven't done better with support or updates(for ark) but they are really dropping the ball yeah

[stiff bronze]

they mention it, its being done on the server side, so not included with the patch notes

[unreal sedge]

Everything is done on the server side...

What?

They probably just don't want the numbers visible?

[stiff bronze]

dont shoot the messenger, just relaying what they put at the bottom of the notes

[unreal sedge]

Last thing on the notes is the overflow change

[edgy kestrel]

Ark is boring but I think the new arc boss will be interesting

[stiff bronze]

there is one line below that. 'Reminder that the WTR updates will be a part of this, but done server side so it won't be a part of this download: ⁠dev-updates⁠ '

[waxen otter]

thought you meant stack overflow for a sec and got excited

[unreal sedge]

?

[stiff bronze]

#dev-updates message

[next jolt]

lock in bro

on discord

[unreal sedge]

That makes 0 sense but ok

Steam and the official website not authoritative 🤔

[next jolt]

they should hire u bro

[waxen otter]

I was looking on steam too lol that's weird

[sacred fox]

As far as I remember (on Steam side) you can only include things that are changed on the update, on patch notes. WRST is server side, so it is not affected by the updated content, hence why is not on the patch notes

[magic ether]

kinda weird that depleteds and advanced heals stack to 6 but not regulars imo

[sacred fox]

I see it as a minor update launched together with this patch. While patches are in the work for more time (playtest, etc.), minor updates are the faster, easier method to fix small things that doesn't require downloading more content (the usual X Kb at launch, at most).
So, as WRST became prevalent they needed to address that fast, and then this fix got live the same day that this patch (guess the servers down helped implementing that)

[dusky idol]

im in.. .rook starttt

[unreal sedge]

That doesn't make any sense though, how is a gun damage change 'server side'?

[sacred fox]

to making it simple (and irreal): imagine that damage outputs are on an excel doc on their servers. They just need to swap numbers and thats it.

[unreal sedge]

Sure, but other damage changes were in past patch notes

[sacred fox]

that's because those were worked at the same time. Again, my assumption as a dev myself (not on Bungie) #breach-protocol message

they had a patch in the oven, but needed to address that issue fast so they shipped both at the same time

[unreal sedge]

It being last minute kinda makes sense

[sacred fox]

So, this patch were on Steam dev servers for a while before green light (playtesting, bugfixing, etc.) with the patch list already included. Then they addressed WRST on… thursday? (can't remember exact day Ziegler said that), so the fastest and easiest day to implement the change was today, together with the programmed one

[unreal sedge]

They have to have platform approval yeah and that takes time

[sacred fox]

eexactly

[unreal sedge]

Could still give actual details

[sacred fox]

https://x.com/Ziegler_Dev/status/2045274298517201156

Ziegler (@Ziegler_Dev)

UPDATE: WTF WSTRs

We're gonna take a shot at bringing the WSTR more in line. Right now it's become a dominant option and is eclipsing a lot of the other short range options that exist in the game. SOOOOOO... as of Tuesday 4/21 (likely 8AM PT) the WSTR will no longer be able to

X · Apr 17, 2026, 10:52 PM

details

but yeah, info being on different channels doesn't make it easier

[unreal sedge]

You know that's not what I mean

Damage numbers, dropoff range changes, whatever actually moved

'can't two tap blue and above shields' could mean it does 80 damage(total per shot)or 85, or 90 and they are assuming some pellets miss

[steady solstice]

Its all in #dev-updates

[sacred fox]

true, up there lol, didn't went up hahaha

[unreal sedge]

They are referring to it not being mentioned on the Bungie website or the steam patch notes

[sacred fox]

Yup, but I also went to Ziegler’s twitter to link the exact changes and those are here haha

[unreal sedge]

Eh Twitter is dead to me

But fair

[steady solstice]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/3065800/ I mean, it's there too

[sacred fox]

I just have it for nostalgia’s sake, I feel you

[brisk hearth]

the steam community is putrid

they still haven't prevented those without the game from posting on there right ?

[steady solstice]

I honestly forget Steam even has it lol. I was surprised to see they actually post on it haha

[pure prairie]

The only time you should be heading to steam communities is how god intended: A game is no longer compatible with everyone's OS and some Ruski made a community post with the .ini changes to allow it to boot.

😤

[brisk hearth]

in general steam communities aren't really useful tbf, so it's not exactly the most used tool

[cyan nest]

Can i get the full image of this

[next jolt]

Wait Rimworld has more active players than marathon?

Marathon really is cooked

[woeful parcel]

Fuck off already 😂

[next jolt]

Chat is marathon a dead game?

[opal bloom]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1364289254045515886/1476337120523063490/void.gif

[next jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-cut-him-down-tear-him-apart-splay-the-gore-gif-16211356125689318290

[opal bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnant-man-react-dont-dm-me-were-done-discord-react-dont-pregnant-man-react-me-gif-15172637796834483807

[opal bloom]

i love this, i can relate so much to this amount of love for Marathon fr

[faint thicket]

Tf is he doin here?

[feral kindle]

Yeah.

It's just a bummer that we have so few players.

[zealous wigeon]

Peakkkkkkk

Love ur setup

[vivid panther]

thought the WSTR was supposed to be nerfed with this update? didn’t see anything about that in the notes.

[real lion]

gentlemen

[zealous wigeon]

Check #dev-updates , they edited it in

Wstr nerf did happen today

[vast badger]

It's server sude so not in the log

Side*

[vivid panther]

gotcha.

[opal bloom]

let's give it time! i'm wishing for its longevity too, Destiny took time

the game has everything to be massive, they just need to fine tune the onboarding

i prefer this slow beginning with a small committed group, than a big hyped harmful casual crowd

[queen raven]

Just in time for it to get taken out back

[real lion]

also free kit outpost players using fill need to be classified as an invasive species

[queen raven]

Had one of those yesterday and we left with a lobby wipe and full purple kits

So it can be done

Just a rarity

[real lion]

yeah ive done it, but its almost always done off the effort of the person who brought gear

[queen raven]

Both of them no mic too

Usually yeah but those guys were ballers

[real lion]

kill a team, the free kits are picking the bodies while you kill the last player

would a 3k loadout lock be too much for trios outpost

[queen raven]

That’s why you pick the bodies first and let them do it lmao

[feral kindle]

Truth be told though, I'm not seeing S2 changes that will be meaningful to bring enough people back.

And the faction reset is far too punishing.

[queen raven]

I brought in greens and bagged the purple body while they hid afraid

You’d be surprised what Bungie can pull out backs to the wall

And 20k daily peak is a perfectly reasonable player count for an extraction

[pure prairie]

MR BEAST

HOLY SHIT ITS MR BEAST! MR BEAST GIVE ME NEW EYES SO I MAY SEEEEE

[craggy pawn]

Why so many of this same ad?

[pure prairie]

They got got with a phishing scam. Last time someone came in after they restored access to their account said it was a roblox cheat 🤣

[craggy pawn]

Lmao

[opal bloom]

i feel a brand new start should be encouraging, new shell too, some people feel they might've jumped too late or mid season

hopefully they will figure out another way to let people test the game (another server slam maybe)

but either way, i'm hoping for the best! haven't loved a game this much

[clear heart]

Is server not up yet

[sullen schooner]

Mercy kits was a terrible idea, it allows teams of 4 to work together for duo queue in dire marsh experimental mode

genuinely flabbergasted at how little was thought of how bad the teaming will get with mercy kits

[tacit light]

i bully people with rook

i kill a team except for one

and i spam res them

and spam kill

[sullen schooner]

thats hilarious, but its not fun when 4 people are sync queueing together and rezzing eachother

[tacit light]

how do you sync queue

i must know..

for science!

[sullen schooner]

low population server, duo queue or cryo, press queue at the same time

get into the same match

[pure prairie]

Servers are back up at 2 PM PDT (5 PM EST)

[sullen schooner]

bully everyone

[pure prairie]

Well, they're up, but maintenance is still going on.

[tacit light]

wdym low pop server

[tacit light]

fahhhh

[clear heart]

Awww

[zealous wigeon]

Servers are online

U can play lmao

[sullen schooner]

??? its servers that dont have that many people queueing on them, so duo queue in the middle of the day on dire marsh sponsored

[zealous wigeon]

Its just backround maintenance going on

[pure prairie]

Queueing while there's background maintenance sounds like a great way to donate your kit to the server gods

[zealous wigeon]

Dunno what backround maintenance really implies here

Like what does it actually mean for the player experience

[next jolt]

Games dead on launch

[clear heart]

It’s not letting me log in

[zealous wigeon]

Odd, i see ppl are already playing on twitch.

[sullen schooner]

its been like 2 months lil jit

[clear heart]

I’m just unlucky

[zealous wigeon]

Hope you get to login soon

[next jolt]

Chat is the game cooked?

Streamer game gets tossed 1 month after launch

[torn hare]

Ur cooked if you're asking this

[torn hare]

Me when streamers enjoy a competetive game and are good at it:

😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢

[strong cargo]

Lmao

[sullen schooner]

?? I've been playing since the first closed alpha?, when the lighting was buns and icons were flat

[lyric sluice]

"streamer game" yet half of them are getting walloped daily

[torn hare]

As they SHOULD BE i cannot believe they're taking to twitter to cry about being matched against ACTUALLY SKILLED PLAYERS

😭 🥀

[glass notch]

mentally enslaved by social media lol

[torn hare]

Ohhh no I cant stomp all my lobbies anymore!!

[torn hare]

Could also be paid/bot acc

[glass notch]

too much effort on the profile

dudes braindead for fun

[torn hare]

Guess so

That's the depressing reality 💀 🥀

[lyric sluice]

it was always gonna happen this way too xD i duunno what they expected a halfway into the season xD

[torn hare]

Exactly

Everyone cries for sbmm but if it gets implemented they won't begin to magically "win more"

[unreal sedge]

I always want sbmm

Not to win more

[lyric sluice]

apparently its been there since the begining anyway

[unreal sedge]

I want fair games

[torn hare]

Are we just assuming blindly that it isn't in game already?

[unreal sedge]

🤷 only mm I've heard of or observed is level based

And ranked ofc

[lyric sluice]

the loosely level based matchmaking already doing that to an extent. for example red weapon. was all your lobbies filled with it weeks ago? or was that just the top end

because i didnt see one of them that whole time it needed nerfed

and ive yet to see one after, its almost like it didnt effect me at all

[torn hare]

How would you observe sbmm in a game with as many systems as marathon?

So many quantifiable categories could be easily cheesed

[lyric sluice]

hard to say given the skill aspect could be measured on all sorts

[torn hare]

K/D? Deliberately lower it by dying

[lyric sluice]

how do you SBMM a loot goblin that doesnt kill

[torn hare]

Exfil rate? Can easily be manipulated

[torn hare]

Precisely

It would be nigh impossible to make a model that satisfies everything

[lyric sluice]

yeah or would be some new age trickery

but if you cant blame cheaters, and the server isnt lagging. what do you blame xD

SBMM

[torn hare]

99% of deaths I've had are solely due to mistakes I've made

I look back at a fight "oh should have used my destroyer shield there" etc.

[lyric sluice]

streamers last week "this game needs more players, new players shouldnt be attacked by purple shields"

streamers this week "SBMM is totally active i cant roll through people doing contracts"

[lyric trail]

Theyve simply chased away all the fodder

Every match now im encountering streamers

Sad

[lyric sluice]

what level are you?

[lyric trail]

81

[lyric sluice]

that was your fatal mistake

xD

[lyric trail]

Regularly getting matched with 200+

Yeah

[queen raven]

Highest I’ve seen at level 76 is 122

[lyric trail]

Probably some server shenanagins

[lyric sluice]

past level 80 the extremes get bigger

[queen raven]

What region are you in?

[lyric trail]

I get good matches if I queue with my friend who lives in japan and is level 50

[queen raven]

Interesting

[lyric trail]

Us west

[lyric sluice]

i play with 2 level 20s and we get level 30-50ish some 70s in there

[queen raven]

US east here, doubt the region is a huge factor

[queen raven]

Same

[soft prawn]

Most people aren't playing enough to get that high of a level. I think the highest I've seen in a match is like 70something? I'm lvl54

[lyric sluice]

NA/EU there is some difference. for example free kit mode is being seen as a "battle royale" on NA servers while EU people are using it for contracts

ive had so many firendly EU servers/vs hopping to NA servers

but thats just for that one mode other maps see 0 difference really in server

[queen raven]

Yeah it’s definitely a battle royale around here

BUT it also means I’ve had less free kit fill teammates on outpost which is nice

[lyric sluice]

yeah its been a nice week with the sponsored kit mode active, was kinda hoping they would rotate maps beofre the season ends

[unreal sedge]

I mean the easiest and most obvious way would just be show us our rating

[unreal sedge]

Yes, everything they could track could be manipulated but most people won't go through the trouble to do that

[lyric sluice]

as soon as they do that "must be rating 2.3+" posts start to form xD

[unreal sedge]

Which is fine. You already have people asking for ridiculously high levels

[torn hare]

Yeah but I mean the current mm system seems to be working fine

[unreal sedge]

It's working okay. Could be better. I see a vast difference between ranked and regular when it comes to actually matching people near my skill level

[torn hare]

Vast majority of my rounds at level 70 I fight people with similar gear

[unreal sedge]

I've not had that luck lol

[lyric sluice]

yeah but its another factor that will split the top end more too. if your required to be a level sure. but level/skill rating is more LFG rng we dont need at the end of a season. im not against it tho

[soft prawn]

As for levels btw....only 2.8% of steam players hit season lvl 100.

[lyric sluice]

based of the achivement lists tho they planned that perfectly this season

level 100 is a one time end goal you need to do once

imo

[soft prawn]

Skill level isn't taken into account though....it's loosely based on season lvl amongst a few other factors. I like to think it also takes faction ranks and amount of faction upgrades into account as well as region.

[unreal sedge]

Right, I know it's only really based on season level rn. I was speaking in favor of adding sbmm especially in a visible way.

[soft prawn]

Sbmm would be terrible in this game, it's a terrible addition to any game. This genre specifically though, mainly because it would completely remove any randomness in the game.

[next jolt]

aye thx man

[unreal sedge]

There would still be plenty of randomness...

The only people who don't want sbmm are lazy and don't want a fair fight

[next jolt]

sry i was in a ragebaiting mood

[soft prawn]

wHut?! That's completely wrong....the main draw to these games IS the fact that things can be unfair in ANY direction....the feeling any extraction shooter vet chases is the feeling of coming out of an unfair, disadvantageous, fight with a win. SBMM would remove that from happening making the game just a loot based CoD....which is not a game most extraction shooter players want to play.

[unreal sedge]

Things can and will be tilted against your favor plenty of times even with sbmm. What you won't get is paired up against noobs and people who have no clue what they are doing. But that's apparently what you want

[torn hare]

Dude, no level 100 is getting "paired up against noobs"

That's literally not happening

[unreal sedge]

Without any type of mm they would be

[torn hare]

There is matchmaking in the game

Not just lbmm

[unreal sedge]

Read up a little further and get the context pls

[soft prawn]

No...they won't...that's why it's called Skilled Based MatchMaking.....it matches based on your previous games...so it makes it more even playing field....which by its very definition...IS NOT UNFAIR IN ANY DIRECTION....

[torn hare]

Guh

[next jolt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1363607883903926455/1363607884407246868/nucalJAM.gif

[torn hare]

U should use more ellipses your message was almost readable

[next jolt]

burned em

[unreal sedge]

So you're saying you're teammates won't lose their 50/50 gunfights and you have the opportunity to 1v3? That you won't be trying to kill a warden and get jumped? That you won't get sandwiched between two teams? That you won't get third partied? You're really living up to your name buh

[torn hare]

are we deadazz

Over this message???????????

[unreal sedge]

Too spicy for reddit

[torn hare]

😭 🥀