breach-protocol

[tacit light]

solos isn’t that bad tbh

[civic aspen]

Outpost is the actual lose everything factory

[tacit light]

solo outpost is ez

[dusty cairn]

What faction should I grind today? Just got Cyac VIP

[tacit light]

look at my role tag

[rustic ruin]

Solos is chill, I only que solos or Rook 😭 lack of friends interested in a game force one to be a goober

[dusty cairn]

I mean Arachne is kinda passive, im lvl 29 for them

[tacit light]

yo lmk if ur down for a run then

[rustic ruin]

Yooo, you've 2 reviews that you're supposedly mean 😭

[dusty cairn]

The tilt I have when I run blue shields and then my free kit fill teammates rush in and die is unreal

[rustic ruin]

OMFG YES. I once filled to check how it is, and I needed to run from one side of map to another cuz those thiefs just split and got downed :D

[dusty cairn]

How does stash cap at 400 slots

[rustic ruin]

I think that I'll be just griefing you, I don't wanna be a ball on the ankle or whatever

[tacit light]

no it’s quite alrighty, i’m just here for the fun

[rustic ruin]

Scary, once I stack myself with rook I might hit you up

[dusty cairn]

god please bless this last random cryo queue

[heady blaze]

finally fucking done that quest holy shit

[winter oxide]

they need to up it, bungie never learns

same with destiny, vault space was never enough

[torn hare]

gg

[fringe summit]

knife damage definitely needs to scale more with how much shield you have

[arctic topaz]

just sell your shit if you're hitting 400 slot cap jfc

[fringe summit]

it makes no sense why all knife attacks do the same damage to all sheilds

[warped swift]

i noticed that

[dusty cairn]

How the fuck do I just get one shot by a grenade im so confused

loose everything ship confirmed

[silk smelt]

Nigeedziĝu-2026327 if you see this dude in one of your games , straight up report him dude made a new steam account just to cheat

alsso i wanted to type in the general

i'm a moron

[torn hare]

Dunno if naming cheaters is strictly allowed here under ToS, make the proper reports in the right places

[silk smelt]

will do chief

[tacit light]

what does the mod do

[torn hare]

Glorp

[hybrid jackal]

yyyyyyoinking that ty

[vague violet]

"this edible aint shit"
"by MIDA I'm tweakin"

[winter oxide]

you shoot 3 bullets at once

[nocturne abyss]

"Name and Shame" is also a violation of Bungie's TOS. Report them here: https://safety.bungie.net/hc/en-us/articles/42347863077268-Report-Suspected-Cheating-and-Poor-Behavior

[silk smelt]

thanksuuuu

[granite tartan]

"Is witch hunting banned"
In almost every single online community except the most toxic ones, yes

[nocturne abyss]

IME they're pretty quick to handle reports. around a week-ish on avg

[fringe summit]

can we witch hunt assassin mains though

[torn hare]

Yes

[nocturne abyss]

My experience may not be the same as yours, since all my reports come from Destiny & there's a chance they may prioritize my reports over others due to the checkpoint bots thing

[fringe summit]

YAAAY

[torn hare]

Honestly that's really really good

[nocturne abyss]

yeah, but being completely honest I've wondered for a long time if my reports get prioritized over other ppls 😅

[torn hare]

Would be funny

[spiral ore]

😭

[vapid cipher]

Average cyro crash out tbh

[spiral ore]

we had valuable

couldn’t make it to exfil

suck in preservation 🥲

[torn hare]

Arachne, go for that WSTR rook 😈

[flat rose]

of my 5 cryo runs ive exfilled 3 times

[cyan nest]

Thats brutal. I did somethin similar on hauler to a triage. I knew someone was close.... so i went on prox and went;

I hear a triage (evil lotr smeigle voice. Laughs eegerly/evily)

Then i see him and rush him while i start laughing like joker in a smeigle voice and kill him with the knife.

I let him know i was there.... then jumpscare him and chase him like the scream villan while laughing evily

[torn hare]

Really solid honestly, good job

[silver trail]

i really wish there were a way to buy more rerolls for the repeatable faction contracts

so many of mine are stuck on "exfil eccentric salvage"

like yeah lemme go grab a couple synapse cubes i'll get right on that

[tacit light]

hey guys look

[torn hare]

💀 evil

[tacit light]

i have ALL of the reinforced shields

[silver trail]

it's all eccentric salvage or "put your loot in the Garbage Can" contracts

i am in hell

also i didn't know that alien alloy could spawn in perimeter. curious

[torn hare]

Sheesh

[torn hare]

Probably just in key rooms

[silver trail]

that was my guess yeah

all the keys i've used so far have been blue so the loot is Not Great

need to buckle down and try to make a purple one

[winter oxide]

how many teams are there in outpost duo`?

[real lion]

minor rook bag

shotgun from AI

[torn hare]

LOL this is kinda cute

[storm lance]

Don’t encourage him 🥀💀😭

[torn hare]

Most normal cryo player:

[torn hare]

Oh, are they a weirdo or something 💀 the art was funny

[storm lance]

Lmfao I have no idea. I’m just starting shit 🤣

[pure prairie]

Marton moment

[dusty cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480043609079287838/1487153011884298491/midaextract.gif

Do you need a pat on the back bud?

[wet sequoia]

What’s the gold mod on the shotgun

Is it the same as the WSTR?

[tacit light]

wanna share?

[wet sequoia]

So it gives slugs to the pump shotgun too?

Right, what’s the gold mod you have on the pump in the screenshot then?

Or is that edited

@dire island

[tacit light]

WHAT

[wet sequoia]

Like WSTR fire rate?

Or faster or slower or what

Right

Thats still cool I didn’t know there was a gold for the pump

[tacit light]

gahdamn bro wanna run outpost

what does demolition’s do?

actually do you have a list

[wet sequoia]

You gain ROF on kill and you get ammo back on kill for that one

Oh

LMGs are kinda shit imo regardless of the mods

Just too clunky

And when the bully can get 80 in the mag, do you really need an lmg

lol

[dusky ferry]

the shields on them are rlly nice tho

[wet sequoia]

How much damage can they take?

I’m not super familiar

[tacit light]

demo is one of the hardest hitting long range weapons i’ve felt

it’s really fun and works like a precision rifle because of extremely low recoil

[unreal sedge]

https://marathondb.gg/mods/

Has the biggest list I've seen

Not complete

[vivid panther]

great resource.

[frail tusk]

What is this key, for locked crates? I can't reach it and item name looks strange

[upper solstice]

it's a quest item for a contract you don't have

[frail tusk]

Oh, okay, thanks!

[quick bridge]

Disgusting stash good lord go off daddy

[wind goblet]

ran into a team with cryo archive skins trying to do a dire marsh contract and run off with the anomaly

but they were chill

they killed us but they were nice about it at least

maybe! i was talking to them in prox chat and told them they gotta keep cryo open for people like you but we said gg and they knifed me

we got too greedy 😔

[lime sinew]

what kind of person queues ranked with no shield equipped

[scarlet yew]

Doomslayer

[vague violet]

new "he's rezzing"

[viral beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-14922675818058709477

[candid yacht]

triple gold shield on dire vs my blue and green shield squad trynna do quests

maximum sweat mode engaged

think the fellas misclicked ranked

[opaque condor]

what a deal

[torn hare]

Wow

[opaque condor]

im only like rank 6 with nucal too

stocked for while now

[torn hare]

Damn

[dusty cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-screaming-then-running-away-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-meme-running-gif-14848209682511966800

mrw gold shield

even pruple shield tbh, esp if I am running with randos

it feels so impossible to crack them

[foggy garnet]

Am I the only person who thinks its weird that shields don't recharge

[sand prism]

yes

[sand prism]

But seriously, this being my first extraction shooter it did feel weird, but everything you do needs to be deliberate and strategic.

[tacit light]

you have any tips for “getting good?”

[eager hollow]

so cute

[steep dune]

They used to

In alpha

Iirc

Then they removed it

[round solar]

learned the fun way this morning you and a buddy can duo ROOK queue if you're both coordinated and a little lucky

[cyan nest]

Wished the loop was a lil slower tbh

[cyan nest]

Me at lv 76 and still cant buy thoes. Lol

[opal bloom]

do you guys know if those skins from ranked, will they ever be on the shop? or if they're gone they're gone 🥲

will try to reach gold, but i think i missed the gun skin and i really wanted it, F

[winter oxide]

got the same deal today, and i have over 100 neurochem packs

ill never be running out of blue shields again

[queen raven]

Purple shield is only 20hp more than blue and 40 more than green

It’s not as much as you’d think

[upper solstice]

next thing you'll say is that the colors on the weapons are based on attachments

[dusty cairn]

lol

[wind goblet]

gulp.. whos gonna tell him..?

[bleak cove]

And gold = purple + invis or reinforce

[dusty cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480043609079287838/1490458285986545824/destroyer.gif

[woeful parcel]

Ffs was beating my head in what killed me in the end. Like does the misriah have ricochet or something?.... Remembered I put torch bug on it 🫣🫣🫣🫣

[woeful parcel]

They will never be in the shop or be able to gotten anywhere outside of ranked. Thats the point lol. You havent missed out on any rewards yet either.

[woeful parcel]

Dont announce anywhere youre doing it. Not really something devs want you to do even if its possible

[raven cliff]

Nah you just traded, you can see in the kill feed they got you with a waster

[woeful parcel]

No

[raven cliff]

oh, that last death I have no idea, your quality is ass

[woeful parcel]

In the end

Lol

Its torch bug

[raven cliff]

I can't read lmao

💀

I'm so fucking tired

[woeful parcel]

Didnt have any good mods to put on it so tought well torch bug will help if people are hudled together...

If only I used the double tap to finish them both 😂

[raven cliff]

Oof

[supple turret]

how good is this bad boy

[upper solstice]

it has awesome aesthetics

[supple turret]

dope

[queen raven]

Right. It’s not actually more hp than purple

[opal bloom]

thank you, time to grind ❤️

[vague violet]

It’s supposed to be a bit jarring

[bleak cove]

Nope its simply an enhanced purple

Reinforced allows u to have full shield way faster and invis js invis

[cyan nest]

Bro tell us ur secrets captian keys...

[scarlet yew]

I felt that " oi vittu "

straight from heart

that was art

[tacit light]

traxus is in halo 3 btw

[cyan nest]

Wouldnt doubt it. Where at, ive not played in a bit

[tacit light]

idrm, you’d have to search

[cyan nest]

The name is used but idk bout the logo

[summer citrus]

this room in specific... does the key jsut spawn randomly in pinwheel? looks like it spawns with guaranteed prestige loot + 3 strongboxes?

[harsh haven]

spawns anywhere a key can spawn

any level

[summer citrus]

👍

so I just have to gamble... good to know

[summer citrus]

Would this include the spawn locations for the green & yellow key boxes or is it more so inside command pinwheel?

[harsh haven]

it's like the locked doors on any other map far as I'm aware

[candid yacht]

Isnt it a key room? Like regular key?

[harsh haven]

yup

[candid yacht]

Might have to run templates

[vague violet]

Me and my friend in duo outpost fighting the tox warden with free kits

[summer citrus]

I specifies that it needs a broken wing* key like the welcome center key room. I have no idea if those are fabricateable or not?

I’ve heard rumours you get them as prestige keys inside the pinwheel red vault but there’s no information/online evidence as far as I know that someone’s actually gotten in

[vivid panther]

so yeah, you can find keys in raid for specific rooms on specific maps. unrelated to the keycard spawns on outpost.

they’re entirely randomly found. you can craft blue/purple keys through cyberacme with the right salvage though.

[fringe summit]

will i b skinned if I said v99 is my favorite sniper

[vivid panther]

only by meta purists. I’ll never shame someone for crushing on weirder guns

unless it’s like the overrun or something

[fringe summit]

its just such a cool design and not a normal looking sniper

[summer citrus]

ah noted

[rustic ruin]

Man I love overrun, it feels so nice

[wind goblet]

i came around to the overrun after it was responsible for letting me carry my partner after our third fill got a big head and disconnected at the start

[tough socket]

Is there a better high than this

[vague violet]

Brand New Sentence

[rustic ruin]

WTH IS THAT SPAWN- why I was jumped by 2 invisible UESC straight away 😭

[tough socket]

I LOVE JOY!!!

[arctic topaz]

yes. yes there is.

[static hazel]

somebody's got a quest, kill them then get your ass out of there

[tough socket]

I unlocked all of this in one run???

[rustic ruin]

I think it's cuz of my quest- peak spawn tho

[viral beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/spirit-spirit2002-horses-horse-dreamworks-gif-8722302645065019195

[flat ledge]

r beassstttttt

[arctic topaz]

This shit is a scam gtfo

[vivid panther]

just takes too much for it to be solid imo

[rustic ruin]

Fr, I liked it when I was beggining, now I'd say that m77 is my go to assault

[unreal sedge]

Eh I don't play ars much so I basically only will when I have an impact har

[vague violet]

overrun's stability feels like it's all over the place and the M77 feels way more consistent

[harsh haven]

just witnessed a thief having a very bad time vs a purple assault bot with an overrun

was kinda pitiful

[flat ledge]

nd then you shot them in the back

[harsh haven]

no!

please I have standards

the face

[rustic ruin]

are you kidding me

[unreal sedge]

Get that mech kit ready

[digital gate]

can someone with better knowledge of the map tell me if the teasers we unlocked show all the locations of the final exfil on Cryo, or if it's just the theater

[rustic ruin]

No

[digital gate]

although logically it probably should

[cerulean fractal]

A hazard override key will remove the gas for about a minute

[rustic ruin]

Waaah, I feel bad. Some thief was sitting on a ladder, and I jumped down and got scared, so I stabbed and killed them 😭😭 I didn't mean it

[arctic topaz]

you gonna learn real quick this aint arc raiders, you best get to killing

[rustic ruin]

I mean, I never played arc, and I mostly KOS but I feel bad for those defenseless targets sometimes

[plush terrace]

I don't kill on sight - still have fun - play the game how you want - find your own joy

[rustic ruin]

BASED

So far Marathon teached me to shoot at everything that moves cuz for most of the time it will try to kill me lmao (usually been running into Assasin rats cuz solo que) But I did met some nice Thiefs and Recons

[harsh haven]

I often let people be if they ask me to

won't save them the second time, I got shit memory for people

[rustic ruin]

I've NEVER met a fellow runner that uses proxi chat

unless they down me

[plush terrace]

Oh for sure - it's going to happen - a lot. a lot a lot. But we be the change we want to see, maybe. JUST MAYBE. We can shift the tide.

To be fair though, this game doesn't really encourage 'friendly play' in the same way that Arc does. They're different games, I wouldn't expect them to treat it the same, but it would be nice if it were more often imo

[rustic ruin]

I love groantube

[plush terrace]

Wow what a strange thing to type unprompted

[sweet peak]

hes myt fdriend

im very drunk

sorry

byut heres a good song either way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-99CeSMpII&list=RDr-99CeSMpII&start_radio=1

[rustic ruin]

Vandal mains are like that sometimes

[plush terrace]

reminds me of a more chill despised icon

[rustic ruin]

Most friendly interactions I've are on Rooks by fellow Rooks

[harsh haven]

rook together strong

until a bad rook causes the trust cascade

[rustic ruin]

FR

[plush terrace]

It's how they've marketed it too

[rustic ruin]

I loved it.

[plush terrace]

I wish they put more focus on the option of friendly play, but that's not the game it is. So you can't really be mad that it's not like that. Sure it's a bummer, but it wasn't sold as that so 🤷‍♂️

[rustic ruin]

Just a bit more

Lowkey same

And the way it made me feel-

Gosh I love sounds and OST in this game

First extraction shooter that I like and actually want to play 😭

• I get to express my acousticy by zooming and doublejumping when my whole body glows in rainbow? Holy thanks Bungie

I already have Vendetta against Assasins...

I opened the deluxe doors in tunnels- found my first ever purple shield. I was HAPPY. Heard someone by the door so I thought that it will be good to throw a nade to push them out. On the same moment HE decided to RUSH me with a KNIFE. Before I took out my weapon back He stabbed me 3 times and I lost all that sweet 200HP.

He. Was. Sponsored. Kitted. Assasin.

From that day I hunt every single Assasin I see 😭

[summer citrus]

Seems like it’s still really easy to get into pinwheel from the destroyed wing now (especially as trios). What do others think?

[harsh haven]

sometimes that last button can be in fucking narnia

but sometimes they cluster and that's an easy in

[summer citrus]

Yeah I have all the button locations p-much down pat now. There are sone really annoying ones but I only have to check 2 buildings & 3 small areas

The worst ones are probably the ones on the sides/in the destroyed wing itself, the one in the trench laneways and the one on gate 20

If you have a squad you literate just search out and I’ve seen ~1min silent pinwheel breaches which is kinda crazy

Not to mention the strongbox spawns p-close to the entrances for the destroyed wing

[arctic topaz]

I tried to be friendly as rook to other rooks, got fucked over twice hard - now I just kill feelsbadman

[unreal sedge]

In general I shoot first but if they voip I'll let it go. Not gonna let them get an advantage but they're rarely worth the meds to kill

[arctic topaz]

you're nice

[unreal sedge]

It's just economics for me lol. Us having a fight draws teams or other rooks and is a waste of time because usually they just spawned and have nothing

[rustic ruin]

Bro for sure protected his roof

[queen raven]

another day another naked conveyance rush

generational bag from that one

[flat ledge]

damn nice

you rushed conveyance and got 3 reds?

[queen raven]

Nope, just had pinwheel all to myself

Takes too long to get 3 reds

[flat ledge]

where did you find the bag?

[queen raven]

Drone wing strongbox

[flat ledge]

very nice

[queen raven]

Indeed. It was a lucky run

Usually I get at least one person trying to follow me on the elevator so I have to either 1) waste time going back to deal with them or 2) bail with what I’ve got

Both of which result in not getting to loot command

Which command really just had the purple shield and one of the enzyme reps

[rain geode]

I knifed some poor sap for this

also has anyone noticed strongboxes sometimes just outright missing?

[queen raven]

Crodie had that and still lost? 😭

[rain geode]

I know they've moved and can vary

[queen raven]

Yeah command was missing one on that run I sent a bit back

[rain geode]

Yeah the dude got caught opening a door with me on the other side so I got the drop on him, and he went for his shotgun

[queen raven]

I used the goop goggles and everything, it just wasn’t there

[rain geode]

feelsbatman

[fervent swallow]

I once got lost in the Pinwheel, while my team run away, stumbled upon rook, who said "don't shoot" but I got so jumpscared I skinned them with the knife in a moment

I sometimes feel bad, but I know that 99 times out of 100 you don't shoot first, you loose attackers advantage and die

[flat ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-weeknd-super-bowl-half-time-show-searching-looking-for-gif-20286748

[queen raven]

With the current rooks together strong attitude if I’m not a rook and you’re not a rook, you die

[fervent swallow]

Rooks really need different skins

Rn you stumble upon rook, you make a pact with them, then you loose sight of each other and then you see another rook who starts to shoot you because it is a different rook

[queen raven]

I would buy a rook skin tbh

And I’m not a skin buyer

Rook on rook violence seems to be becoming less common at least

Tbh I stopped doing rook runs because naked conveyance rush in solos is just that much better

Until more people catch on

[flat ledge]

true, had a rook run where we had 3 red keys i gave him 2 went and got the third and never found him again

[queen raven]

Not like he could do much with 2 reds

[fervent swallow]

Oh, and since more rooks catch up with Arachne 4 capstone, I started to feel more paranoid

[queen raven]

He probably got shanked by a squad

[spare ferry]

almost done with this. and i got 3 kills last match, solo. big gains!

[flint mica]

he lies in wait

[torn hare]

Scary

[runic flicker]

rook run lmao

[torn hare]

Hell of a core

[near python]

rook runs just feel so damn good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482234868942241972/1490578477513052184/image.png?ex=69d490e2&is=69d33f62&hm=125dfc3b9b4d221ae1ac2c71831ea36c674e164cb3363a3c1c61ac7c4ab60610&

[ripe matrix]

tox warden?

[near python]

red key room

[runic flicker]

yea i think rooks lootdrop are so much better than solo

[ripe matrix]

damn you got both those keys from pinnacle cache?

[runic flicker]

theres always a guarranted Cryo key inside

[ripe matrix]

well yeah but I’ve never seen two

[near python]

yeah, guaranteed key on the desk now

and then i rolled the gold one in the box iirc

[woeful parcel]

@queen raven the strongboxes shouldnt be missing in pinwheel. They just spawn in a few different locations and the command wing is either a cube to the sides at the end or the same shape as the drone/destroyed wing ones.

[ripe matrix]

my unlucky ass keeps getting cryo 1 keys

• offscreen cryo 4 key

[runic flicker]

pinacle is insane for red keys

got 2 since update

[violet minnow]

ranked be treatin me nice tonight

[stiff zodiac]

the pile

[keen violet]

ranked

[tawdry halo]

PFFFF. I know that Thief is pissed.

[torn hare]

Wait genuinely how are you getting 3 reds as rook

[violet minnow]

if you farm comanders/ look for leftover ones around the map its pretty easy to get 3

[torn hare]

Epic

Surprised no teams got it first

[runic flicker]

not bad

[runic flicker]

pinacle strongbox actually

[ripe matrix]

not bad considering I had to kill a full squad for those keys

[grave bear]

From earlier today after a horrid cryo run

[runic flicker]

that sounds insane??

[ripe matrix]

i'm yet to test it but it might be good in trios?

on like an open map

[grave bear]

Negl rail guns r just super ahh, v00 prestige is decent tho since it 1 charges purples

[ripe matrix]

I have one i'm sitting on

yeah I kinda hate the ares

[runic flicker]

time for me to use my knife.

https://tenor.com/view/bungie-marathon-bungie-marathon-bungie-arachne-marathon-arachne-gif-17473971563941673573

has anyone tested that one?

[flat ledge]

I just ran the gold overrun and i gotta say it kicked ass

but no

[foggy perch]

yes it is amazing, got it on saturday

[runic flicker]

you run it on dire marsh?

[foggy perch]

yeah, got like 4 elims with it pretty brutal

[runic flicker]

is it a 2 shots on blue shield sort of weapon?

[vivid panther]

very confused

had what was a super sick rook run to end the night but didnt extract with the gold volt thrower?

just wasnt in my overflow

[grave bear]

Mods have trace limits too fyi

[vivid panther]

right they do but they normally display as scrap when on a gun after its trace has expired

[grave bear]

Ik but I’ve never Interacted with a trace prestige weapon so idk if maybe it’s bugged or sum

[vivid panther]

could be. I didn’t even get the gun!

was pretty disappointed. literally got everything in that screenshot within the first minute of the raid lol. spawned in and a team started a guarded exfil right above airfield.

[fallow badge]

yeah that would be trace value

[vague violet]

serious question why didn't you just take the gold/purp mod off the smg? it didnt have an implicit or anything so rly you just want the gold/purp right

also saves you 2 slots

if you didnt end up wanting the blue chip

[scenic tiger]

Whats the difference between this chat and #new-noise ?

[flat ledge]

we are cool

[scenic tiger]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931627162124050442/995228847735836703/Smoking.gif

[keen path]

https://giphy.com/gifs/TheBoysTV-the-boys-theboys-tv-iF7CxHFcKXcMfEIWGN

@sweet mulch

[sweet mulch]

Absolutely

Once in a generation scam

[vague violet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262813755562131539/1490456276826587419/destroyer.gif

me when i GET you

[finite geyser]

Anyone looking for 1 runner, I main medic, hit me up 🍬

[south pine]

yo why tf im being matched w duos in solo ranked queue????

and trios

[noble geyser]

isn't it only trios ranked? 😂

[south pine]

dunno

thought there is solo

[obtuse shuttle]

ranked is only trios

same with cryo

[south pine]

then why im solo in ranked

noooo

ahhhh okay thats cus i cant read

[marsh zodiac]

lmao

[storm sand]

https://medal.tv/es/games/marathon/clips/ms4kIiRCH8AVVxdLw?invite=cr-MSxqUzMsMzE0Njg0ODY5&v=25 guys i got run over by a fukin spaceship wtf?!

[rapid crater]

Holy live roadkill clip, I need that dashcam asap

[red bane]

Lmao is this recent? There was a patch like a week ago that said they fixed that

[arctic topaz]

You can play duo/solo in ranked - you get mixed in with trios though

[arctic topaz]

UESC special tactics going hard

[brave crag]

What have you guys bound the ping key to ?
I feel like middle click is terrible since you can't ping and fire at the same time, but I couldn't find a comfortable key for it

[hollow lodge]

Im a middle mouse fan, but alt could be an easy-to-hit option

[brave crag]

Damn I haven't thought of alt, I've been using tilde

[swift perch]

I wish it would just auto ping when you shoot a runner. Hitting middle mouse switches weapons more than I care for it to

[rustic ruin]

Unbind scroll switching

Just use 1-2-3 buttons

Apex taught me that

[real lion]

no one expects the shadow clone technique

[hollow lodge]

Im insane, I rebound weapon swap to "f for knife, scroll up for weapon 1, down for weapon 2"

[high sparrow]

why would you jump me with this much goop on you i mean thanks i guess??

[rustic ruin]

Ewww, assassins

[real lion]

they are both me

in the ready screen too

[hollow lodge]

Misriah my beloved <3

[sharp zealot]

anyone on pc and want to squad up? tired of losing and need commmmssss

[rustic ruin]

OH, I'm so hellbent on hating assasins that I didn't even noticed XD

[swift perch]

rebinding f to knife and also melee might actually be genius so you can just spam it

[real lion]

still died to a rook

why do i have to fight 19 players on outpost

with 2 free kit teammates

on foreign server

[lean kindle]

console players too shocker

[real lion]

the thief was high and open mic

[hollow lodge]

How can you tell foreign server?

[real lion]

bad ping icon top right and accents

bro downed to heat cascade

looting a box outside

[hollow lodge]

Damn I get the packet loss one 90% of the time and I live in the US

[real lion]

how many rooks can spawn per run

seems insane that I can wipe the player lobby in first 6 mins, then deal with infinitely spawning goblins that all have claymores and shotguns

any corner could have a creature sitting with shotgun waiting to onetap kill you and instantly strip your corpse

[honest wadi]

lmao

hows it going team

[wild moth]

Destiny 2 taught me that
(Never played Apex on pc, only for a little while on console)

[wild moth]

No idea what the top limit is but i saw a post once of someone who had the same thing happen
Wipe everyone early enough and you get to deal with 500 rooks

[rustic ruin]

Time to Solo que my friend

you will never get free kit teammates and then you can rely on yourself like you should

[real lion]

wstr onetaps

[rustic ruin]

I never been one tapped by a WSTR in solo que

only knifed to death by a random free kit Assasin camping behind a corner

[honest wadi]

i like staying in the were so back phase

[real lion]

destroyer or assassin

boring

[honest wadi]

this

[rustic ruin]

Gotta love losing my sweet gear to those type of players

[arctic topaz]

damn y'all got 19 runner kills total (14 yourself, jeebus) and still didn't get out, that's a bummer

[honest wadi]

oh yea they deserve it

[real lion]

1 more rook drops claymore that insta arms

[rustic ruin]

Oh, yeah you're quite tuff

[real lion]

as i slide out

they drop from 2nd story, placing claymore that insta goes off

1 taps

[honest wadi]

yea

claymores do a lot a damage

we should nerf em

[rustic ruin]

lets play together, mhm mhm, I might be griefing with my plays on Vandal. Buuuut I won't run free kits (I'll run in without anything)

[honest wadi]

a man of culture

[arctic topaz]

yeah but don't the free kits get you faction experience?

[rustic ruin]

they actually give you some

which is why I use them for questing

I don't need to worry about getting ganked by some Assasin camping

he can have my 3 depleted shields

xD

[wild moth]

I have, on occasion, wiped an entire kitted team with a knife

In my (and the knife's) defence they missed their shots in the same way that I've missed my own shots in my own tragic losses

[rustic ruin]

your PFP gives you immediate winning points

[wild moth]

Also I've only done that one time on an assassin the other 2 were on thief

[rustic ruin]

Just dont tell me you play assas-

oh.

[wild moth]

-# it was a really good smoke play

[rustic ruin]

I'll believe in that

For my own sanity

Poor team tho

[wild moth]

-# there will be a ref sheet and a marshmallow terrorising the Internet at an indeterminate time in the future~

[rustic ruin]

I only wipe whole teams when playing with my friend 😔 it is honestly fun to 1v3 (my friend is a little slow Triage, so let's count him into just healing my ahh)

[wild moth]

Fr, there was at least two wstrs on the team after the assassin one

[arctic topaz]

I too play and hate assassin shell so much. It feels like the only time I really get got is my own fault with that shell just with all the "imma go hide" abilities

[rustic ruin]

I despise Assassins and Thiefs, tho Thiefs not as much. I only hate those that sit somewhere and abuse me with drones XD

Vandal >>>>

[wild moth]

I've seen people make use of it really well and I've also seen people make very poor use of it and then blame something/someone else when their apparent lack of a plan backfires

[rustic ruin]

Thst's why people should never plan and just rush in with a knife (died to it too many times)

Or WSTR I guess

[wild moth]

Yeah sometimes a mindless rush works perfectly

[rustic ruin]

Like- I lost my purple shield to that once, dude just rushed me with a knife right when I pulled out my frag

Died before I pulled out my weapon back

It all sometimes make me think about joking meta and be assasin on solos. But I resist, love acousticy in Vandal too much

[wild moth]

Arm cannon go bewm

[rustic ruin]

Fr.
And maaaan, I can zoom around, double jump and all that while glowing rainbow?

Holy yes please

I played one game of Vandal and fell in love immediately, bought deluxe for the battle pass and GRINDED for the goth skin

[wild moth]

I always go for a jack-of-all-trades thing and play a little bit of everyone but I do have a preference towards Thief and specifically an EMP triggering, Volt weapon spamming Triage

[rustic ruin]

Thst's valid, I wanted to play thief at start cuz she kinda pretty and grapple fun to use, but now I think I'll use her only for lockboxes runs

[wild moth]

Only times I use the visor outside of checking containers and lockboxes is to hack a Commander/Warden or to try and spot someone through smoke

[arctic topaz]

Tell me more about this hacking commander/warden

I been playing the shit out of assassin but I also really like thief, idk which is better tbh ... The grapple to get away is almost as good as stealth and jump or even better in some situations

[wild moth]

Hack effects blind UESC, so they'll stop firing at you until the effect wears off
I think you can still trigger it on them using an implant with Logic Bomb
Forget if that's the exact name but the effect is "precision kills Hack nearby hostiles"

Granted you'd need a recruit/scout/ghost to get close enough for the hack explosion to hit the boss

[rustic ruin]

Is thief good for doing bosses solo then?

[arctic topaz]

Yeah, I haven't tried doing thief suicide drone shenanigans yet either but claymore on a drone sounds fun as hell

[rustic ruin]

I once attempted scorch warden and it didn't went too good, needed to dip

[rustic ruin]

It is lowkey fun, done it once XD

[wild moth]

I'd say so, since it gives you breathing room to magdump them once you trigger the effect

[wild moth]

I've heard EMP grenades are really good for Scorch

[arctic topaz]

Not sure how effective it'd be against runners, at least in solo, in teams it's probably pretty good distraction / opening shot

[rustic ruin]

Oh yeah, it disables shields

[rustic ruin]

I caught 2 unsuspecting assasins with a claymore drone XD

[arctic topaz]

Mmm, that's awesome

[wild moth]

If you can get it up to them undisturbed, two claymores on a drone will definitely down people

[arctic topaz]

Hmmm might be a goal to aim for ...

[wild moth]

Just have to be careful not to trigger it on a passing bot

[rustic ruin]

Also I think I should start focusing more on lock down, bosses and pinwheel in my runs, but I sometimes just get too scared 😔
There can be an assasins waiting for me at any corner 😭😭

[rustic ruin]

Run in with a naked thief and inventory full of claymores 😎

[arctic topaz]

I'd say try playing some as assassin, you'll figure out what is good against them when you die to it.

Honestly, the biggest thing I've learned playing as assassin (and hating the shell because it kind of is bullshit) ... The stealth only lasting like 12 seconds or so makes the counterplay literally just ... Walking.

[wild moth]

Only reason I don't play solos is because I'd jump out of my seat if I got sniped from a mile off 😭

[arctic topaz]

Like if someone stealths up unless you're sprinting you'll hear if you're close enough and if you're not close enough they'll go out of stealth mode by the time you get to engagement distance.

[rustic ruin]

Never happens

I mean, I played fairly enough as sniper Vandal on roofs

Maps don't really allow you to snipe from faaaaar

[arctic topaz]

Relatable - as someone who is naturally jumpy (fml) I have definitely died to myself just spazzing out on my keyboard when I got surprised.

[wild moth]

-# also because I have a habit of getting tunnel visioned enough to get my back blown out before I realise someone's there

[wild moth]

Yooooooo same :,D

[rustic ruin]

I hate invis. I once heard invis assasin sneaking on me, and I catches a glimpse of him while moving, from like 20m I think. Aimed at him and waited to see where he will come from cuz he moved in behind a small wall. Next thing that happens (turns out he just stopped moving and turned completely invisible) got headshotted with a sniper

Felt like that one Vandal art

[pure prairie]

NGL, I nearly jumped out of my skin the other night when I went into a vent in Outpost and got DB'd from a stealth assassin around a corner.

[arctic topaz]

Oh yeah when they're still it's very very hard to see. I would either disengage for a moment and/or just shoot a few where you think they are.

[arctic topaz]

I probably would have done the same! Spooky

[candid yacht]

Ngl the mm is getting absolutely cancer

Was cruising by wiling teams until I hit rank 90+

then its sweatfest after sweatfest

[rustic ruin]

When I learned to swap positions and utilise my movement in Vandal I became a destroyer of assasins, some really don't expect one to pop ult and zoom somewhere, shoot, zoom to another place, shoot, then rush in (tho my few rushes in ended in me getting 3rd partied)

[candid yacht]

Every lobby purple/gold premade trios that are pre-signal jammed

spamming bubbles and nades

[wild moth]

I say the same when I spend a whole day getting hunted by teams that click my head before I knew they existed

[rustic ruin]

Damn. Then am glad I'm still lvl 41

[candid yacht]

People stopped caring about loot and are just running around hunting teams

[arctic topaz]

If you're a person and capable of learning, which most of us playing are, I think it'll just naturally trend that way when you get to higher levels because like ... Of course they know more and are better, aren't you too from when you were low level?

[candid yacht]

Mfs should just go ranked

[candid yacht]

Sure but theres a point where you have to literally sweat off

Feel like im playing a World Championship every game

[eager hollow]

we would love to but it's cheater central

[wild moth]

Yeah those days suck

[arctic topaz]

I guess idk I'm like not even level 40, just play solo mostly and do quests so my experience is probably a lot different than others

[heady blaze]

Thief's visor hacks the hostiles you look at

[candid yacht]

Thats another issue

Shits rampant

Pun intended

[rustic ruin]

Are solo que on high lvl also sweaty? Or still just assasin slop

[eager hollow]

but trust me it's the main reason why nobody is on rankeds.

[pure prairie]

Wasn't that one of the selling points that we wouldn't have to deal with cheaters?

[candid yacht]

I believe you

[pure prairie]

Not throwing shade, but I thought I remember that being a big thing early on

[candid yacht]

They have to detect them first tho lmao

So battleye and all that

[wild moth]

The cheating scene is an ever-evolving arms race

[pure prairie]

Yeah, one and done and all that

[candid yacht]

And then its gonna be in waves

[eager hollow]

tbf every game promotes beforehand his super op super efficient anticheat and nowadays it's just not enough

i'd rather have it kernel level and steal my shit idk

[rustic ruin]

Cheaters will always find a way

[eager hollow]

like valorant, at least they have very rarely lobbies with cheats

[pure prairie]

After the Crowd Strike fiasco, I'm OK with most software devs not having kernel level auth

[eager hollow]

but they are not even using smart cheats ffs, yesterday i had dudes killing me full purp shield with 3 shots of bully smg from 100m. Like that has to be detectable come on

[candid yacht]

Also hope they fix the cpu utilization asap

Cuz its unplayable fighting around Flight Control on Outpost

[wild moth]

I heard people complain about kernel stuff and I was fully on the side of those people until I looked into the cheats themselves
As much as I don't like kernel-level anti-cheat, I get why it has to be like that

[arctic topaz]

It is kernel level anti cheat though, innit?

[candid yacht]

I have 128 hours on this game the first 100-110 were great fun

[eager hollow]

its not

[candid yacht]

The last 18 have been the least fun I had in a game

[rustic ruin]

Okay thst's scary. I've never met a cheater so far

[eager hollow]

as of now they have wallhacks and full aimbot with overclocked rate of fire on some weps. The dire marsh ranked rotation was unplayable. Full hs locking snipers

[real lion]

Some of you never got to experience prime D2 trials cheaters with infinite heavy ammo and noclip

[rustic ruin]

Scary

[wild moth]

I don't think I've run into one yet
I probably have though

[rustic ruin]

Yeah, I never played destiny

[wild moth]

Prime??
Bro they never left 😭

[real lion]

There's a gif somewhere of 3 streamers getting ragehacked on

[wild moth]

Sometimes their player models are fucking titanic too

[real lion]

Round start, flying man appears and shoots 300 rockets

[candid yacht]

we would know if we had detailed post death breakdowns

hopefully they are working on it

[dusk patrol]

Fireworks!

[nocturne abyss]

Kernel level anti cheat is useless when modern cheats run in the hypervisor level (ring -1) which is above the kernel (ring 0)

[wild moth]

Yeah it would be nice to have a bit more detail than just who did the damage in what order
Though I guess I've been spoiled in that department because arc raiders did it and I played a bunch of that before Marathon dropped

[rustic ruin]

Any tips on getting this?

Fast

[wild moth]

Like I said at the start
An ever evolving arms race

[torn hare]

BattlEye literally is

It's really unfortunate but kernel level is the best solution available for games at the moment

[lyric trail]

Key rooms

Ive already got this upgrade but ive been funneling bio seeds to my buddy past few days and hes pulled like 12 across 3 or 4 raids

[rustic ruin]

Thanks

[lyric trail]

Also shoutout to dire marsh lockdown, seems to have high chance of these too

[rustic ruin]

I might need to start doing those

[nocturne abyss]

Best we have is server authoritative logic (marathon uses this), behavioral /statistical analysis and peer review systems

Valve currently uses all 3. This is why VAC never bothered with kernel level since it’s less effective than other existing methods and leads to a false sense of security.

[lyric trail]

My strat as a friendless loser is just to run triage in squad fill and buff teamates with antivirus to encourage them to do it, free kit shitters wont usually say no

[torn hare]

But don't valve games like CS2 also have gigantic cheating problems?

[wild moth]

That is interesting to know though
Wasn't aware there was another level cheats were already operating on

[nocturne abyss]

Every game does. Can only do so much to combat it.

[torn hare]

Well yeah I agree

[heady blaze]

cheats get better -> better anti cheat -> cheats get better -> repeat infinitely

[torn hare]

Cheaters in games are just sad sad people tbh

🥀

[lyric trail]

Nah, some cultures consider those who dont cheat the sad losers

[nocturne abyss]

Oh I have to deal with them constantly trolling my free community service for destiny.

Like 5-6x daily. It’s a fucking pain.

Thankfully Bungie security team is usually quick on the reports.

[magic oar]

Ring -1 in modern architecture does not exist,

RING 0
└── KERNEL
RING 1
└── DEVICE DRIVERS
RING 2
└── DEVICE DRIVERS
RING 3
└── APPLICATIONS

[magic oar]

RU

[lyric trail]

Among others yes

[nocturne abyss]

https://medium.com/swlh/negative-rings-in-intel-architecture-the-security-threats-youve-probably-never-heard-of-d725a4b6f831

Technically correct but it’s a colloquial term 😅

[real lion]

Cryo archive has a lvl 3 strongroom that spawns 2 every time

Plus 2 strongboxes

[rustic ruin]

I'm a solo player :c

[real lion]

ok turn on fill

This was my last cryo run this week with fill turned on

[viscid prism]

You just went in with randoms geared up?

[rustic ruin]

Cryo fill is griefing no?

[real lion]

I went in with blue shields and guns, got 2 random teammates and left with that

[viscid prism]

Might have to do that then

[real lion]

Not really, just bring about 5k worth of stuff and then if you live it's profit

I buy like 20 blue shields for dermachem packs when the barter is available

[viscid prism]

same

[real lion]

Shield + bag + ok gun + meds is about 5k

[viscid prism]

I have like a 100 blues, but dont have a team to run cryo often so its just oupost for me

[real lion]

Kill 1 team you make profit and probs get clearance 3, loot around edges of map and then leave

[viscid prism]

You definitely gotta leave your first area right? So is the goal like outpost? Hunt for a team pronto?

[real lion]

Players spawn at edges of map and unlock doors to get further in

[digital gate]

If you rotate it clockwise by 90 degrees, you will find that it is shaped like Springtrap

[nocturne abyss]

I wanna play marton but no cryo and my vault full again 🥺

[real lion]

He's right

[digital gate]

Wh

But that's counter-clockwise

[viscid prism]

From the few times ive played, it seems like you definitely wanna rat or flank around

Havent survived yet but Ive only done the map twice

[real lion]

If you are the first team in control and start killing bots, you will die

[viscid prism]

outpost ive done like a hundred time lol

[real lion]

If you fight another team in control and the fight doesn't end in 44 seconds, give up and back off or you will die

Once you get clearance 2 you can open most of the doors you need to go around the edges of the map

3 is for loot rooms and 2nd floor, 4 is for armory and 5 is compiler trace

[digital gate]

Control is an awful place to fight

[real lion]

Awful place to be in general

[viscid prism]

It seems like you cant get clearance 2 inside your wing, you have to get out

or can you get clearance 2 in your first wing?

[real lion]

You can but it's rng

Need security monitors to spawn

[digital gate]

It's better to fall back to that relaxation room or whatever

Where the warden spawns

[viscid prism]

And fight him? The one in revival wing?

[real lion]

The only time I want to be in control is to activate extract, fill coolant or loot compiler trace

[digital gate]

In fact fall back in there and spawn the warden when they walk in muahahaha

[real lion]

Triggering the lasers will let you heal

[viscid prism]

Idk what any of this is lmao

I gotta watch some videos on it, I feel like Im dying cause im just so uninformed

[real lion]

Open extract, get item needed to open vault, loot valuable item that needs clearance 5

It's a red valuable item that gives your whole team 40k creds if you extract with it

[viscid prism]

You have any youtube vids or something to learn all this?

Howd you learn?

[real lion]

Dying

This can also help

[runic flicker]

I LOVE SOLO OUTPOST

[real lion]

No rooks sounds so nice

Just 3 fights and then pve

[lyric trail]

Too bad im dogshit and have never cleared a raid ;_;

[runic flicker]

"just 3 fights"

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-akakichi-no-eleven-gif-6695986364367126664

[real lion]

4 teams on outpost

3 other solos

[runic flicker]

not 3 other solos lol

you could get up to 8 rooks

in one game

[real lion]

Can't get rooks in solos

[runic flicker]

all depends on how many players are left before min 18

[runic flicker]

? youre talking about squads (teams)

[magic ether]

could swear it's more on solos

[brazen shadow]

Wait so how many runners in a solo outpost match?

[cyan nest]

If u delete the were so back then itl be accurate for me

[runic flicker]

12 players in solo outpost

[real lion]

No way

[brazen shadow]

Damn 12??

[torn hare]

https://youtu.be/WtAVBZDZHfY?si=AquN0bZDyCaZvmyu great review here of Marathon: "Confusingly good" - makes a great point about Cryo, and the instant gratification/entitlement people have around it. Notably the game having content difficult enough that not everyone will complete it

[runic flicker]

between 8-12, not sure, i could kill 4 people in one game and find 2 more after

[magic ether]

pretty sure perimeter solos is 8

[runic flicker]

so might be 8

[magic ether]

I need to check using the recent players thing after a fresh load in

[real lion]

I'd believe 6-8

[magic ether]

easiest way to tell

[brazen shadow]

But outpost is a smaller map too

[real lion]

Still, id take 8 fights that give loot over 8 rooks that all have claymore and give nothing

And also the rest of the player lobby

[magic ether]

elim is so rough that's a mega carry

14 + 3 res is insane lmao

[real lion]

19 total elims and 10 of those are rooks

Died to last rook who dropped a claymore that seemed to instantly arm

[magic ether]

if they just tap it it'll drop at their feet straight away

still a lot of people who don't know about holding G

[real lion]

He dropped off a 2nd story, landed while placing claymore and it insta triggered

I was sliding away too

[magic ether]

that's rough

[real lion]

All players dead 7 mins in, then just assaulted constantly by shotgun rooks for another 12

[runic flicker]

wait what explain, you can instantly spawn calymores?

[magic ether]

if you just tap it it will place it without you aiming it choosing where to place it, but if you hold G you can position it on a surface

eg. how people do claymore drones

[runic flicker]

so tap G for that

[magic ether]

tap will just drop it / place it without the red holo overlay showing where it will go

Rooks that don't have the shotty will push you doing it fairly frequently

because it's quite hard to see / counter

and obviously downs you most of the time

[grave bear]

A lil free kit come up from solos

[magic oar]

https://youtu.be/FpLXmEIRL5c

Really cool lore video if you enjoy that stuff.

[cyan nest]

Bro got 5 outpost runs worth of loot in 1 go😭 🥀

[vague violet]

probably got the pinnacle strongbox room open

[woeful parcel]

Delicious outpost

[magic ether]

what happened to your buddy

juicy run tho gg

[harsh haven]

abandoned the homie

😔

[lyric trail]

It certainly was a decision to give rook the best weapon in the game

[woeful parcel]

Couldnt be helped

😂

He got lost and went on a solo quest

[eager hollow]

5 on duos

[queen raven]

Is it actually? I don’t think I’ve ever run into the 5th

[magic ether]

I'm pretty sure it's 4, never seen a 5th either

Unless there's always been some goblin team in a corner somewhere but never seen it

[runic flicker]

I LOVE SOLO OUTPOST

[magic ether]

Huge

still never seen any gold salvage in pinnacle room 🥀

[vague violet]

I’ve only seen cryo keys

[runic flicker]

i honestly think it scales with your level bc same

[vague violet]

But then again I’ve only been in there twice lol

[eager hollow]

i know for a fact cause i'm always counting while we lobby wipe and on duos i can confirm it's 5. Cleared the lobby multiple times at this point

[magic ether]

I'm 90 something and haven't seen it in about 15-20 openings lmao

Seen cryo keys and purples a bunch tho

[cyan nest]

Tonight if i dont forget...or if i can even make it out alive .. ill do solo outpost and see how my loot compares.

[queen raven]

Strange. The last team must have either exfilled or died because I’ve had several lobby wipes and they were all 4

Including us

[eager hollow]

if you wiped 4 + your team it's 5 tho

but i mean i'm sure of it we did it more than 30-40 times at this point

[runic flicker]

its 5 in duos yea

[vague violet]

I’ve only opened one solo and one with team so I’m not sure but it seems that team has better rarities?

[runic flicker]

you do get better loot value in teams yes

[magic ether]

interesting, I've been doing it as duos and trios

[vague violet]

makes sense

[magic ether]

makes sense tho yeah

[queen raven]

3+ our team

[runic flicker]

yea since theres more "danger" and risk to obtain the red cards + open pinwheel

[eager hollow]

okay but still i can confirm it's 5

[queen raven]

Wild that I’d go 5x lobby wipes without seeing the last team especially when we goof off in pinwheel for 15 minutes

But your sample size way bigger

[runic flicker]

its 5 brosko

[magic ether]

This would be the easiest way to check right

[runic flicker]

heaven for assassin and destroyer mains

[eager hollow]

lil vault value flex ?

[runic flicker]

solo queue in perimeter right now, we'll meet at Station

i dare you

[eager hollow]

ahhahahaha xD

[magic ether]

Come to pinwheel

[eager hollow]

im looking at my average day on trios you know ?

[magic ether]

https://tenor.com/view/bungie-marathon-bungie-marathon-void-true-gif-7100404200135171214

[vague violet]

I’m Rooking it

[eager hollow]

It's funny they start in waves of 1-2 and then it's full on cod zombie mode

[runic flicker]

love that when i play rook, hate it when we're the only team in pinwheel..

[runic flicker]

they always build an army down the ladders, then come up in groups

[lyric trail]

Wish I could find rooks like thag

They usually kill me

[runic flicker]

trust no rook

[eager hollow]

i swear we we're fine in 2 v3 in trios but if they take out outpost duos i feel like a lot of people wont have anything to enjoy

[lyric trail]

Then they feel bad and drop me a self res once they hear im a girl on prox chat lol

[magic ether]

That whole run was kino
Came across a rook who'd downed a team self ressing another rook and we amassed a rook army
Someone tried to turn traitor and claymore everyone but failed
The eighth rook found us at exfil but we were bubbled because we hit pinnacle and found one lmao

[torn hare]

The duos are that way simply for a testing phase. If there's enough engagment with duos they'll probably add it fully in

[runic flicker]

and then you kill them when they least expect it

skin them

https://tenor.com/view/arachne-marathon-gif-8409068059429029969

[lyric trail]

Seriously people let their guards down when they hear my voice and then try to shepard me into pinwheel like its my first day on outpost

[magic ether]

can't just leave 50 arachne xp on the table like that, it's like 1/20th of a reflex coil

[runic flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-truth-nuke-arnold-schwarzenegger-arnold-shook-gif-6352525456991560778

[eager hollow]

Yeah but that's what i mean. We're not always 3 online but we usually never had problems in trios outpost even as a duo but we noticed teams we're all white and green gear, but after they added duos people started taking their kits out and pvp became much more fun and rewarding. So i'd feel people would be less engaged in taking out stuff if they are forced to get a random

and overall i think the duo outpost is proving to be insanely enjoyable for everyone

[torn hare]

Not necessarily, most randoms are chill

[vague violet]

I’m an equal opportunity psycho it’s hands on sight for ANYONE

[torn hare]

It's hit or miss sometimes that's just the nature of multiplayer

[runic flicker]

random filling with free kits ..

[lyric trail]

For sure feels like I have more control of engagements and not getting hamstrung by white shield assassin sprinting through an open field

[eager hollow]

but i'm talking about my 200hrs experience in wich we mostly played outpost. Trios most teams are autofilled and almost no one brings even blue stuff

[vague violet]

duo outpost felt like an entirely different game than trios

a 1v2 feels way more winnable than a 1v3

[torn hare]

Everyone uses free kits, including you sometimes, no point whining over it

[lyric trail]

Im going to whine

[eager hollow]

i mean how can you blame them. They could be matched with a team that will just leave them out to die

[lyric trail]

They change how people engage

[magic ether]

Free kits are an important thing to have in the game but it's mainly that people play differently when they have one / your team is weaker through no fault of your own if they have one

[lyric trail]

Squad fill creates the feedback loop of equipping them

[eager hollow]

but feels bad looting a full lobby of outpost made of green gear

[lyric trail]

Just put free kits on a cooldown or something idk

Something please

There are too many in squad fill

[eager hollow]

at this point i'd rather have a little of gear based matchmaking but still giving priority to level

[vague violet]

I mean that’s just a squad fill risk you take

[torn hare]

A player that rushes into engagements with a free kit in fill would probably also rush into engagements with full gear

[vague violet]

Guilty

HE’S REZZING

[eager hollow]

that's not totally correct. If you are full white go for it , nothing to loose. If you got good gear play the advantage you have

[torn hare]

It's up to the team to communicate rather than throwing any free kit teammate you see under the bus immediately and literally blaming them for everything that goes wrong

[lyric trail]

This is just a bad mentality to take for player retention ngl

Majority of people arent running organized stacks

[magic ether]

eh, there's also the problem that people running sponsored tend to instantly loot bodies even if it's not safe / loot literally everything because they're trying to come up
as for comms there's so many people that refuse to communicate at all regardless of gear or if you instigate comms yourself

had so many schizo games where noone comms back

[vague violet]

idk I disagree because I’m not great at the game but I still beat better equipped teams by fighting dirty

[wooden nymph]

I'm afraid to bring anything in usually. They are not doing task even with free gear they start fighting with UESC run across pointless doing nothing important but giving out our position to get knocked and the other just casually leaves the match or leave us behind. Without no comms, pings and always splitting up for unkown reasons. I don't have gear fear but i hate to getting killed by nonsense circumstances.

[vague violet]

Free kits are just a bridge to getting better gear

[vague violet]

I just talk at people and more often than not they listen

and hey this server exists you can find ppl to play with that way

[vivid panther]

because I didn’t want to grt griefed and didn’t think about it.

[vague violet]

you’re only limited by your own actions

[torn hare]

Yea thats kind of the point of them, idk why there's so much complaining around it. Like duh, free kits are going to loot things. Because they need gear...

[vague violet]

reasonable lol

[vivid panther]

was just wanting to grab the shit and get out lol. like I told the other guy, that all happened within a minute, minute 30 of the raid.

[vague violet]

It literally just makes it more fair because otherwise you’re dropping in with knives and you get farmed by people with gear while you’re scrambling for guns. Is that fair?

I think it’s the dumbest talking point and belays a fundamental misunderstanding of game design cuz otherwise the rich literally just get richer

[torn hare]

Exactly, and if there's gear matchmaking... you'd be on a 3 man free kit team against full gear squads

[vivid panther]

I’ve actually got the mod for that gun so it doesn’t matter but it feels better to find them in the wild than to buy them

[vague violet]

like yeah it sucks to load in with free kits as a kitted player. The alternative is them having knives. You want that instead?

we can try it.

you won’t enjoy it I’ll tell you that

[wooden nymph]

Yeah, most of the time when i brought my stuff in i got free kit players.

[vague violet]

I play a lot and even I have missing fundamental parts of kits due to my extraction patterns and what I extract

yeah I can bring in purple guns and shields. I don’t have ammo or meds. You want that?

you want me to say “I’m out of ammo” mid engagement?

[torn hare]

Probably because alot of players are running free kits for contracts while trying to also grab some gear or salvage. Can't put full free kit teams against geared teams cause that would be even more unfair

[vague violet]

the rng is literally part of the point

there’s a chance however slim you can win

If I’m running a free kit we’re throwing hands. You have to win every time. I only have to win once.

[earnest oxide]

this is part of the reason why i argue that RNG free kits are just bad for the game

we need a replacement for them because it inspires too low risk play. and trying to balance it out in MM is just impossible because it forces one specific style of play onto randoms no matter how u slice it.

we need a bottom barrel scavenger mode where u loot white weapons and gear for ur free kit.

[wooden nymph]

Yea free kit with assassin in a dark corner waiting and moving when cloacked. Assassin is the other issue here aswell.

[vague violet]

no we don’t buddy. You knew the risk you took bringing kits in. The risk you take is disproportionate to the free kitter.

[faint thicket]

Infilled with two v11, and took out this shit, yay

[old harness]

simply check your corners 😂

[vague violet]

you as a full kit take on low risk by bringing in kits? The tradeoff is that you get free rein of the map for a low chance of losing your shit. That’s the risk you take and it’s smaller than the free kitter for engaging with you.

sorry dude you don’t get to have a 100% winrate just because you brought kits in. That 1% chance you lose is the risk you signed up for.

[earnest oxide]

im not talking about the kitted player

im talking about free kitting. it's insanely low IQ and low risk; u get guns for free and run at people with knives. if u die, it doesn't matter because u brought nothing.

gambling like that repeatedly may not be a balance issue, but it encourages a style of play that is just flat out bad for the health of the game. why bring in gear when u can just outskill people on free kits?

[vague violet]

so you agree that it’s a skill issue

[old harness]

Am I crazy or does this already exist and it’s called Rook ?

[earnest oxide]

absolutely. my concern is that free kitting will become a meta skill expression.

[faint thicket]

Lot of people crying over free kit while u can buy v11 punch for 50 credits and smack the ass of your oppents with it

[vague violet]

so why don’t people do it for ranked

[earnest oxide]

because bungie actively stops that skill expression from existing in ranked and cryo with antes.

[vague violet]

so what’s the problem

[earnest oxide]

are u dumb? no one here is arguing that skill issues exist if u die to free kitters.

im arguing that allowing this skill expression to exist creates a systematic balance problem because it's just gonna be free kitting. there's no risk and only rewards for free kitting.

[vague violet]

and does that matter if it’s not ranked or cryo?

[earnest oxide]

yes, because if everyone is free kitting, pvp is now worthless

[vague violet]

loot doesnt disappear from the map if you bring in free kits

[earnest oxide]

people dont bring in loot if they're free kitting

u seriously cant be this dense

[vague violet]

you’re not getting it off players obviously? But there’s still things to fight over

[earnest oxide]

yeah, so if im not getting good loot from players, it only comes from the map

and the only good loot map is outpost, and even that's debatable. dire as anomaly and maybe something from lockdowns.

ur literally trying to defend this idiocy with pve loot lmfao

all because u think its cool that u can farm bad players with an overpowered knife for no risk

this is genuinely a bad mindset to promote for the health of the game

[vague violet]

the knife being overpowered is completely irrelevant to my point

and I never defended the knife

I think it’s stupid too

[earnest oxide]

no it is relevant because ur stance wouldnt even exist without it

[vague violet]

so you’re just assuming my position and mad at me because of it

[magic ether]

Genuine question if you're bringing in a sponsored kit in a crew fill with the aim of looting / killing other players, what's the reasoning over doing a Rook run?

[earnest oxide]

free kitting would be decently alright but still a bad system for the health of the game if u had zero chance of killing kitted players

[earnest oxide]

jumping people in a team is less risk than solo

[magic ether]

Yeah that's what i'm getting at

[earnest oxide]

rook is barely good only because he is solo. he's a good answer for this desire for a low risk playstyle, but free kitting is just bad.

[weak zephyr]

maybe Freekit should be random, maybe sometime gray and sometime green ?

[magic ether]

You can make absolute bank as Rook and exfil a fuck load of salvage. I'd prefer rook pretty much every time for non-quest progression than sponsored kit fills

[vague violet]

I disagree that your idea of a healthy game is no one is allowed to kill kitted players as a free kit because the entire point of kitting is to get better loot for better maps like archive.

[magic ether]

So just curious on the thought process for others

[earnest oxide]

nah, we need a mode where u farm the weapons urself and dont get it for zero time commitment or resources

u shouldnt be able to just hop in and have good enough utility to take on kitted teams

[vague violet]

you say “oh well people are just gonna all run free kits” is imo wrong because it’s not understanding that the prisoner’s dilemma only works if no one wants to have an advantage, which people will want to

[weak zephyr]

Well facing purple shield on Perimeter is just not worth playing with free kit so not playing for coming player

[granite tartan]

Free kits are at a severe disadvantage in this game unlike arc. I think freekits are in a good spot but apparently theres not enough incentive to not. Maybe remove the rep bonus from the free sponsor kit and only put it on the paid sponsor kits

[magic ether]

Maybe should be something like the green / blues get less expensive with account metaprogression. Maybe rank 3 capstone or something. the 2.5k kits are already good value but I rarely see people use em

[weak zephyr]

Ah.. I agree with this

[bleak cove]

You have to aknowledge that going free kit means you need to change your playstyle and play ratty because it comes down to who surprises the other team first so if you're running nucal free kit vs full purple team and yall surprise them then its gg yall win

[granite tartan]

Depleted kits REALLY hurt once you get used to greens and blues

[earnest oxide]

that's fine, i think it's very healthy that players who are free kitted stand zero chance against kitted players who are paying attention.

we're in a state where the game is actually evenly balanced towards both sides, which is a major problem.

free kitters have a relatively low skill check to kill kitted players with the knife, and have zero risk.

kitted players have a low skill check to kill free kitters, but have all the risk.

that's the problem. it can't be even.

[vague violet]

okay so you’re over blowing “knife is overpowered” with “free kits are bad”

[queen raven]

Knife nerf would hit free kit hard

[wooden nymph]

oh god. Here we go again

[bleak cove]

The knife argument makes no sense since oh yeah free kit can kill purple if purple is blindly going in rooms without checking corners and isnt running a close range weapon

[wooden nymph]

lol

[earnest oxide]

for the current balance, yes

if knife was nerfed, it's still bad because people are just now unable to compete with bad loot and are basically forcing gambling onto their teammates in rando lobbies.

it's still a bad system.

[weak zephyr]

The most kill I have on freekit is with knife..

[vague violet]

okay but that’s empirically different from free kits being the problem.

[bleak cove]

The knife is absolutely fair and makes it more fun whenever youre free kit or not

[queen raven]

If a purple shield waster misses a shot, I win

I can 2h purple shield which is barely a 1s ttk

[bleak cove]

That's his fault for missing point blank

[earnest oxide]

no because easy access to free kits enables this bad playstyle. hence why it shouldnt just be free rando gear u get on pickup

[queen raven]

Knife heavy lunge distance does not care

[bleak cove]

1h 2L is faster no ?

[queen raven]

Might be but I’m p sure light doesn’t lunge as far

[bleak cove]

Ive had more success with 1 heavy lunge into 2 light

[vague violet]

now you’ve lost the plot. This has lost basis in facts you’re just mad now

[bleak cove]

You lunge with heavy to go in

[granite tartan]

Why 1 lunge heavy into 2 light when the end of the light combo is a heavy according to the tox injector perk

[earnest oxide]

im sorry u can't comprehend that people roll into rando lobbies with free kits in an attempt to just low skill gamble their way to loot and play like dogshit

and this makes for bad matchmaking and people getting upset with free kitters because they're playing this way due to low time investment access.

[bleak cove]

You get an extra mele in between and it can be a dbno or alive situation

if the guy wasnt full health

[queen raven]

Distance

[earnest oxide]

that style of play is only tolerated rn because knife shenanigans lead to some success every now and again

[magic ether]

with 1H 2L if they've taken damage you can down on the first light as well, something to consider

[earnest oxide]

when the knife gets nerfed, that playstyle is just going to be a negative on matchmaking

[vague violet]

No I comprehend it full well it’s just downstream of the knife being op. Free kits themselves aren’t the problem other extraction shooters do it.

[weak zephyr]

well its the only advantage I have on free kit vs purple dude

[bleak cove]

Knife nerf will force people to pay for kits and even then its meh

[earnest oxide]

u actually dont

i told u how the playstyle just creates negativity because these free kitters won't secure kills at all when the nerf happens.

[bleak cove]

Ive had fun sneaking up on purples and melting them with mida or the nucal kit

[queen raven]

Then they’ll stop using them

When it stops working they’ll stop using it

That’s just how psychology works

[earnest oxide]

yeah? u think the death of the knife is going to stop people from being assholes and loading in with a free kit, not caring about their teammates and making dumb plays?

[queen raven]

Yes because they’re going to have zero success with the free kit so they’ll actually invest some

Bro is mad mad

No sense reasoning with that I guess

[frail ibex]

I like how everyone is talking about knife nerfs as if it's the 'death' of the knife, even though it's probably just gonna be a damage scaling at low melee damage nerf and maybe a bit less lock-on lol

[old harness]

Man these are some bad takes. Don’t play in team fill if you can’t handle your teammates smh. I’m gonna go play some free kit matches rn to fuel the meta

[earnest oxide]

yeah so this didn't work before the knife was discovered to be overpowered and complaints about MM and free kitting were toxic.

but sure, i guess we'll pretend knife nerfs will solve a literal zero risk playstyle that existed without crutches before

[plush nimbus]

Did they nerf shotguns along side this knife nerf??

[frail ibex]

'discovered to be OP' we were doing knife runs in the playtests, there was no discovery. It could use some tuning to make it a bit less viable as a catch-all grey/green shield killer is all

[magic ether]

There's no rebalances yet, would be surprised if SGs go unchanged tho

[queen raven]

I’d just like to see it not be able to 2 hit purple shield lol

[earnest oxide]

and now we're pretending that people were bum rushing teams with knives and free kits earlier than the last two weeks.

[frail ibex]

We were literally running 0 gear, knife only runs for the fun of it and getting mondo kills a year ago

I was there for it. I was doing that.

[earnest oxide]

yeah everyone was doing it too huh

[wooden nymph]

or just make shields better against knife attack. Problem solved.

[frail ibex]

There are plenty of clips and montages of people doing knife runs before the last couple of weeks, idk what to tell you man the knife being strong comes as 0 surprise that's a Bungie staple

[vague violet]

I think you’re just a little too mad that you got knifed a few times. No point in arguing your design philosophy because it’s just downstream of knife rage. It’s all bullshit since free kits exist in other games no problem.

people already do stop using frees when they’re able.

[frail ibex]

Melee is as much part of the combat triangle as guns and grenades are, this is the core foundation of every bungie FPS made post Halo

[wheat vault]

Don't want to get knifed, stay out of knife range

[weak zephyr]

thats it

[frail ibex]

And again, I think a little knife nerf is healthy for the game. Everything should be retuned a bit, that's how balancing works. It's not gonna be some mega nerf that makes it irrelevant, Bungie has not done that for any weapon in this game yet period why would they suddenly start now lol

[zealous frost]

I remember in Cryo when this 1 guy was hiding in a corner the entire fight and then knifed me twice while I had purple shield and insta killed me haha

[vague violet]

I have never ever beaten someone with knife when they had a shotgun unless they were absolutely fucking ass. Which means they deserved to lose.

[earnest oxide]

nah, ur just arguing from an ego standpoint again

"i did it a year ago, and that means something to a conversation about the general player population discovering and abusing it two weeks ago to make it a problem in the current sandbox."

but that's my fault. i forgot u guys like to consider things only from ur POV and don't actually see any semblance of a bigger picture

[frail ibex]

yeah the advantage of the knife is that movement speed really, its a lot of fun to start jumping around and doing stab lunges from the air down at them, can make a newbie with a WSTR panic pretty hard and waste their shots

[wooden nymph]

Yea i can agree with that.

[frail ibex]

Aren't you also just only talking from your POV, or do you speak for others too

[vague violet]

Get his ass

[wooden nymph]

I can tottaly understand your point to begin with.

[wheat vault]

Two tapping a purple player is 200 HP, requiring maxed out melee, which is hardly a "free kit spam" issue

[vague violet]

where you lost the plot was saying that the problem was free kit

if you had just said knife is bullshit people would agree with you

[frail ibex]

yeah, once you get upgrades you've earned your strengths

[vague violet]

and I did!

[frail ibex]

also wtf is balance talk doing in breach protocol anyway, go back to general/new noise like cmon lol

[wheat vault]

This is basically second general right now

[weak zephyr]

yup

[frail ibex]

well, im glad that new noise somehow avoided getting the shitter spam i guess

[earnest oxide]

nope! because im bringing up POVs of multiple styles of players meshing together.

kitted players complaining about free kitters throwing because they brought in gear they're risking

free kitters just playing dumb, fast and aggressive because they have nothing to lose.

it's still a problem because those two styles are mixing together, the knife only just rewards free kitters with kills.

take the knife away, problem just still exists because that's how it existed in the server slam and launch.

but ur standpoint is just, "i knew about the knife a year ago, it's fine"

so my bad

u live in ur own little world and that's ok

[frail ibex]

properly geared players are not losing engagements to free kit knifers

[earnest oxide]

im not gonna burst ur bubble anymore lol

[frail ibex]

at least, not geared players with a brain

[pure prairie]

It's been a shitpost channel since the ARG finished 🤣

We've also had some great conversations though

Not all shit, just mostly kek

[wheat vault]

So if the knife player is kitted and two tapping you, are you somehow happier?