📚marathon-lore-discussion

[median hemlock]

you can still find titanfall 2 matches for gods sake

[native trout]

Yeah I play fighting games my ass don't care about steam charts

[earnest hatch]

I just hope the game survives long enough and does well enough that they can afford to put a full Pfhor faction into the game.

[native trout]

OH MY GOD MORE PEOPLE ARE PLAYING CRIMSON DESERT THAN STREET FIGHTER IT'S SO JOEVER

[median hemlock]

next person i see talking player counts unironically is going to get hit with the "go try and start a match of blacklight: tango down and tell me that this game is dead"

[forest gate]

I don’t even know what that is

[median hemlock]

exactly

they always look at concurrent players which is a nonsense metric, too

[dreamy hawk]

I am tried of people bringing up player counts at this point. So much so that I'm going to engage in the conversation about it. 😆

[median hemlock]

having even 5k concurrent players is a lot

its just nice to vent about how nonsense those guys are lol

[tawny pagoda]

Having a game with constant big updates for like 10 years is not something im used to (didnt play destiny or anything similar)

[median hemlock]

i'm a MMO player so i'm intimately familiar with a game being great for a while and then Not being that anymore

[forest gate]

I am a naturally anxious person, just the unfortunate situation I find myself in. So I’m anxious about having an unresolved narrative (curse you Patrick Rothfuss) but otherwise the player count means diddly squat to me.

[median hemlock]

at least the last ffxiv patch turned things around slightly

[tawny pagoda]

*Correction I played a bit of late d2 but same thing

I struggled getting into the lore for Destiny ngl it was a lot to take in

[dreamy hawk]

throw a hydroxyzine

[plucky sierra]

guys <1k players at 7 am PT marathon is dead

[median hemlock]

i love ffxiv but holy shit i am so glad we escaped the "is it colonialist to tell a murderous empire to not use the soul mulching machine?" storyline

[forest gate]

I’m not a FF14 player but my close friend is he really hated dawntrail. I play wow, that game has been all over the shop for years but you just keep on keeping on n

[tawny pagoda]

Guyyys marathon is dead the player count dropped when the average US American went to sleep guys!

[median hemlock]

dawntrail was fine enough but the patches have been mostly bad

[dreamy hawk]

OK but more people do need to hop on when I'm on. I don't know why everyone is sleeping at 9pm PST. It's not like it's early in the morning or overnight for a lot of folks.

[median hemlock]

or at least radically underwhelming

[forest gate]

Thanks but I have Xanax

[dreamy hawk]

Even better!

[median hemlock]

endwalker patches though, wow

what a dire time to be a xiv player

[forest gate]

Yeah I followed some content creator during endwalker and it did seem pretty good I was tempted to try ff14 but then I remembered I didn’t like the combat much or the aesthetic. Just personal preference, no judgement on anyone who likes it.

I ended up just watching lore recap channels to follow along

[tawny pagoda]

People always tell me how amazing titanfall 2 was but never play

Like damn

[forest gate]

It was amazing

Back in the day

[median hemlock]

i'm going to say something controversial, as a titanfall fan since the betas for 1:

[forest gate]

Oooo

[tawny pagoda]

Ope

[median hemlock]

titanfall 2 was doomed to irrelevancy because respawn make games that are either

• so obscenely high skill ceiling that within a year anyone who isn't cracked quits, because it's not fun anymore
• sanded down so hard that it fails to retain people's interest because they were looking for the above

[tawny pagoda]

I only played the short story mode

Man

[median hemlock]

the campaign is fun though i really loathe how 2 mangled the shit out of the lore and tone

[dreamy hawk]

This filthy casual doesn't entirely agree, but it's a good point.

[median hemlock]

i say this as one of the freaks who's pretty good at titanfall 2

lol

everyone gasses up titanfall 2 but it's like pulling teeth trying to get anyone to play it with you

[dreamy hawk]

Ah come join my friends and I. It's a regular rotation.

[sage lark]

that and releasing next to cod and battlefield i believe

[median hemlock]

don't fuck with titanfall fans. we don't play the game we keep wishing would come back

[forest gate]

The skill ceiling is pretty high especially on the movement tech

[median hemlock]

that was actually respawn's choice, against EA's warnings

[dreamy hawk]

That did not help. The release was terribly timed.

[median hemlock]

they locked in that date and then dice dropped the bf release date

[dreamy hawk]

shoots own foot off

Oh, whoops.

[tawny pagoda]

Thats what I saw, so confusing

[dreamy hawk]

I will play Titanfall 2 with any of you. I will grab my Monarch and we will have fun, you just need to DM me.

[tawny pagoda]

I played BO2 for the first time ever a couple years ago, people were like oh such a great game and the new one sucks and im like... play it now then?

[median hemlock]

1. black ops 7 is actually incredible it just got lolcow'd by people over the bad campaign
2. you can't go back and play old cod games reliably

[tawny pagoda]

Im a sonic fan so I return to old games back and forth a lot haha

[median hemlock]

many of them have significant security issues, there's no crossplay so if you're a pc player you can't play most of the older ones

[tawny pagoda]

For me it was simple as buying in the Xbox store, I assume ps5 is the same

Ah right, no crossplay

[median hemlock]

i don't play shooters on console

[tawny pagoda]

Im more used to console

[forest gate]

I don’t really go back to older games. Once I move on that’s it.

[tawny pagoda]

But switched to pc recently

[dreamy hawk]

I only play on console. Mouse and keyboard is too hard for me. >.>

[tawny pagoda]

Ngl sonic games are meant to be replayable so thats fair

[dreamy hawk]

Consoles for shooters, desktop for 4X and strategy games.

[median hemlock]

i am black ops 2's strongest soldier but it sucks trying to play it again

there's a dedicated server mod, but you don't retain any of your official data, obviously

so all the progress i spent years getting is just in limbo

[earnest hatch]

I mostly liked it for the single player campaign. It was really good. Played a little PvP and thought it was just okay.

[forest gate]

I stopped playing COD after Black Ops 1, I don’t know what I moved on to but COD has had zero appeal since then.

[median hemlock]

i like shooters that feel good to play

so it's impossible to ignore cod

[tawny pagoda]

People like the story right?

For cod

[median hemlock]

unless it's an infinity ward title, then i just save my money and go on with my life

[median hemlock]

that's a surprisingly tricky question to answer

bo7 was billed, campaign wise, as a direct sequel to bo2, and then it was not, so that sucked for me

[dreamy hawk]

MW2 was an adolescent staple.

[median hemlock]

the modern warfare games are just pure military propaganda garbage ft. shockingly gay men

the new ones i mean

[dreamy hawk]

Is that why I am the way I am? 🤔

[median hemlock]

the old MW games are just regular military propaganda with less gay stuff lol

[dreamy hawk]

Oh, then no.

[median hemlock]

nah i'm talking new MW2, there's a mission in the campaign where ghost and soap are alone and talking on the radio and they pretty much flirt non stop for 30 minutes

easily the best thing in that game

[sage lark]

and then MW3 happened

[dreamy hawk]

Oh see now I wanna play it.

[forest gate]

COD campaign used to be mindless fun

[median hemlock]

anyways, uh, so. sort of? there's kinda two main subseries with their own stories that have become more interconnected recently

the black ops games recently have been firing on all cylinders which is why bo7's campaign being bad sucks so hard

cold war and 6 have legitimately compelling and engaging stories that have just enough bite to be interesting

black ops 6 is about how even the people carrying out the most heinous acts for the military cannot trust those institutions

which is kinda a crazy thing for a call of duty game to do

[dreamy hawk]

Am I being sold on picking up more CoD games? What? That wasn't on my bingo card for today...

[median hemlock]

treyarch make really good games, unfortunately for my wallet lol

[forest gate]

Don’t succumb

[sage lark]

its not worth it

[forest gate]

Resist!

[sage lark]

never buy a cod

[tawny pagoda]

I need to still play through the halo games lols

[sage lark]

just get gamepass

[dreamy hawk]

😆 strong opinions, I see.

[median hemlock]

i don't think anyone in a discord server for a bungie game can throw stones, your glass house might not be able to take the strain ;p

[forest gate]

I endorse this

[dreamy hawk]

Shots fired! Shots fired!

[sage lark]

im not a bungie defender

i am a cod hater

got burned by mw2022

thats enough

[median hemlock]

yes i am aware, i'm just trying to talk about something i find interesting

[dreamy hawk]

Simon defines his identity on one thing, not two

[tawny pagoda]

šimon, pronounced shimon or no

[dreamy hawk]

Also I don't know how to add the check on my laptop.

Shimon.

[sage lark]

yes

[median hemlock]

it does really suck how talking about cod with any sort of meaningful criticism or positive things to say gets drowned out by people who hate it on principle and people who just mindlessly buy them all and refuse to engage critically

[forest gate]

His deep hatred for corpos that cheat gamers out of their hard earned credits

[dreamy hawk]

Nuance is dead. 😩

[tawny pagoda]

ah hello friend

[sage lark]

its not that its just its never worth to pay 70 dollars for those games

[median hemlock]

i really do not care to have this debate, sorry

[dreamy hawk]

I forgot how expensive games had gotten.. Marathon was so cheap.

[tawny pagoda]

its crazy how many older games are still sold at full price

[median hemlock]

also "70 dollars" god i wish

americans are lucky

[forest gate]

COD is super expensive

[sage lark]

im just using it universally, 80 euros then

[median hemlock]

even marathon was concerningly expensive for me :/

[dreamy hawk]

Have you looked at our news? I'll trade you game prices in a heart beat.

[median hemlock]

lol try over 100 dollars canadian for a single triple a game

[median hemlock]

i'm canadian so your news will be my news in 5 years, unfortunately

[tawny pagoda]

And then the price of the new Mario Kart 😭

[dreamy hawk]

At least y'all resisted in your last election, unlike us.

[sage lark]

atleast nintendo is shockingly lowering prices on digital games

[median hemlock]

i have STRONG opinions on that that definitely do not go in this server :p

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I can imagine. 😅

[tawny pagoda]

They are? Haven't seen that at all, just the opposite

[forest gate]

I mean your election was like a wake up call to the rest of the planet.

[dreamy hawk]

What? I don't beleive this.

[tawny pagoda]

They're at best reselling the old Pokémon games for $20 but before then they rereleased galaxy for $70 or something

[sage lark]

or I guess not increasing it to 80

https://www.polygon.com/physical-vs-digital-switch-2-games-pricing/

[forest gate]

It’s easy to believe this prevents reselling the game when you’re done with it by encouraging you to purchase digital

[tawny pagoda]

Inchresting

[dreamy hawk]

I earnestly hate Nintentdo for how they treat fans, but then the fans keep opening up their wallets, so maybe I shouldn't blame Nintendo.

[forest gate]

Corpos gonna corpo

It’s like the scorpion and the frog

[hazy phoenix]

Good to see the lore being discussed in here

[forest gate]

We have had many extensive lore discussions

[median hemlock]

sometimes you need a break from the 4th person asking "why does mida hate the uesc" in a row

[forest gate]

Some of them too extensive that they devolved into the bizarre

[tawny pagoda]

Controversial ||How people talk about the mario movies have melted my brain. "This is for kids" so is cocomelon 😭||

[tawny pagoda]

Im so surprised by this bc they really lay it out for you

[forest gate]

Why does MIDA hate the UESC though? Inquiring minds gotta to know!

[tawny pagoda]

HELP

[dreamy hawk]

We've only got so much material to discuss right now. Cut us some slack. 😆

[dreamy hawk]

Animated content is always for children, duh.

[forest gate]

We talked about cat lore, that was a doozy

[median hemlock]

to be clear i don't mean to hate on people who know little and are curious

but like. sometimes you really just gotta tell someone to go read terminals on the story page lol

[tawny pagoda]

They just forget about yk dreamworks, ghibli, even the sonic movies, no no animated film should have no meaning it should just beam you with references while also changing lore

[forest gate]

No one thought but now that you mention it…

[forest gate]

Some of my favourite animations were by Don Bluth

Those had some heavy stories

[median hemlock]

it is honestly insane how good the sonic movie is

and i heard the sequels are better

[tawny pagoda]

I have my biases but man

I loved them

And they were flawed too!

But like

[median hemlock]

i'm not a sonic fan but i had a REALLY good time with the first movie

and i knew enough about sonic to go "oh, shit, that's a deep lore cut" sometimes

[tawny pagoda]

Imo each sequel is better than the last

[median hemlock]

hell yea

[tawny pagoda]

I feel they tried to lighten up sonic 3 / sa2's story a bit much but the beats are still all there

Except whatever was going on with Gerald..

Lol

But yeah

[median hemlock]

it's nice that videogame adaptations are generally like. fine to really good, now

shoutout paul anderson for ensuring that monster hunter bucks the mold by being terrible, tho

[forest gate]

Halo TV Series begs to differ

[tawny pagoda]

Mario movie succeeded in keeping it fully animated and keeping game stuff in but thats what makes the issues so frustrating now

[tawny pagoda]

My dad loves it for some reason. He never played the games 😭

[dreamy hawk]

Is it bad this is how I feel about the anomaly now? 😂

I need a copypasta

[median hemlock]

i was going to make a joke about "and then the cyborg and durandal passionately kiss" before realizing i was just perusing durandal's fanfic archive

[forest gate]

Yeah, I can see that but these guys were just trying to steal some Dune. Trying to make that young girl the Muad’dib.

It was heartbreaking to watch

[tawny pagoda]

Doesn't master chief take off his helmet too

[forest gate]

Smh

Just so dumb

Seeing the master chief’s butt cheeks was something I never thought would happen

[tawny pagoda]

OMG WHAT

[forest gate]

Yeah don’t you know the who thing with calling Master Cheeks

Cause we have to see his butt cheeks in one seen for some reason

Then he bones some woman who was abducted by the Covenant as child and is sent to be a spy amongst the humans

[tawny pagoda]

Oh my god I should have guessed

[forest gate]

I know that sounds like bad fan fiction but it really happened in the show.

[tawny pagoda]

The show sounds like bad fan fiction in general

[dreamy hawk]

Reminder not to use a three letter synonym for the act procreation in this channel.

[forest gate]

It makes 343’s writing seem Hugo worthy

[tawny pagoda]

Speaking of procreation

The marathon trip was super long right

[forest gate]

BoBs

[tawny pagoda]

There was a voice memo that was like there was something in a contract about repopulating

[native trout]

About 300 years

[forest gate]

Hence BoBs (born on board)

[tawny pagoda]

People were born on the Marathon

OH

woah

[forest gate]

And it was highly regulated

[native trout]

If you mean the original trip, the marathon travelling from earth/mars to tau ceti

[tawny pagoda]

Yeah

Wait was there multiple trips

[native trout]

I highly recommend Mandalore Gaming's series on marathon; you can definitely get more story info from videos that are purely lore focused, but I think mandalore's videos strike a nice balance of catching you up on the lore and also having a lot to say about the gameplay of the original games

[forest gate]

No just mars to TCIV for the context of your question

[tawny pagoda]

Ah

[native trout]

Just the original earth/mars to tau ceti

and then I guess whatever trip got us to tau ceti hundreds of years later

[forest gate]

It was 300 year trip and cryo was reserved for the upper echelon of colonists

[dreamy hawk]

The PR codex entry mentions the reproductive agreements.

[forest gate]

The people out of cryo had to maintain the ship and replenish the working crew via procreation

[native trout]

It was something like 300 years to get to tau ceti, and then the distress signal the marathon sent back to earth/mars during the Pfhor invasion took about 90 years to arrive

[dreamy hawk]

Sorta. That message probably never got sent.

[native trout]

I'm not certain how long there was in between the marathon's arrival + new cascadia getting set up and everyone getting wiped out

The number is definitely out there somewhere I just don't know it personally

[dreamy hawk]

90 years doesn’t make sense for a light speed communication over 12 ly. It was probably a typo before and now it’s suggested to probably be Durandal’s fault it never got sent.

[native trout]

Doesn't the introduction cutscene of the current Marathon mention the distress signal?

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah, Durandal sends a different one from what Leela did.

[tawny pagoda]

Short time for the message, long time to get to Tau Ceti?

Maybe

[native trout]

That said I also thought Durandal fucked off out of the tau ceti system on a stolen ship so idk what homie is still doing on the marathon at all

[forest gate]

It’s weird that the transmission took 90 years to reach earth when TCIV is only 12 light years away a radio signal would only take 12 years to reach earth since it travels at the speed of light

[dreamy hawk]

Yes, and!

Well probably yes. But also certainly and. One sec.

[tawny pagoda]

Maybe it isnt a fully connected network or something

Bad range

[native trout]

Bro left a copy of himself behind or something?

[tawny pagoda]

Based on orbiting stuff or something

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/encrypted-communique

Yeah, essentially.

[forest gate]

It’s just how EM waves travel, their a form of light and travel at the speed of light

[native trout]

Do we we know that they were capable of speed of light transmission back then though? I mean now it seems we can communicate instantly with earth/mars but we're also dealing with way better tech

[forest gate]

Radio transmission is at the speed of light

Like in real world physics

[native trout]

We already nailed it

Sick

[forest gate]

What is required is faster than light communication to overcome the 12 year delay in transmission

[native trout]

Didn't ONI say we were establishing contact with factions back on earth/mars?

[tawny pagoda]

yeah but hardware physical side point a to b

[native trout]

So it may be that we have that now

[tawny pagoda]

Tru

[dreamy hawk]

We presumably do have that now.

Well, we know a FTL comms relay is being July.

[native trout]

But we have way better technology now than was originally on the marathon

They didn't have no biomata they had to settle for Frankensteins

Abandoned mjolnir battleroid raid boss would go crazy....

[tawny pagoda]

*radio for example is limited by line of sight

[forest gate]

What you’re referring to is signal strength, or wave amplitude and yes that may diminish over great distances but the speed it travels at is constant

[dreamy hawk]

It’s a bet, but likely not abandoned. Either contemporary UESC or one of the originals captured by the Pfhor.

[forest gate]

Provide no black holes are in its path

[tawny pagoda]

Moreso line of sight but yeah in space

[forest gate]

There’s that sure but it’s space

[tawny pagoda]

In a vaccuum

[forest gate]

Lots of nothing

[dreamy hawk]

Equanimity was going to have Battleroids aboard at one point, and even though people balked at the notion, I’m not convinced.

[tawny pagoda]

Idk how do asteroid belts and other fuckery mess with it

[dreamy hawk]

Not that much.

Asteroid belts are also pretty empty, like the rest of space.

[forest gate]

Didn’t mess with Voyager 1 & 2 transmitting back to earth

[tawny pagoda]

Ah true but in my mind tau ceti is so far like theres gotta be asteroid and magnetic bs going on

[dreamy hawk]

Hitting something in space is more remarkable than going on forever and not hitting anything. (Astronomers don’t correct me; I’m making a point not a perfect factual statement.)

[tawny pagoda]

Yeah fair

[forest gate]

Totally, all that would contribute to a distorted signal, something unrecognisable but it wouldn’t change the travel time unless the signal was passing a black hole

[tawny pagoda]

Voyager 1 and 2 went a fraction of a fraction of less than 0.01 light years, tau ceti is like 12 light years

[forest gate]

I think they just goofed on the lore to increase the drama of it all

[tawny pagoda]

True plus there is error correction for signals but I dont know a ton

Fair yeah

[forest gate]

It’s like Prometheus in the movie one of the characters says they’re half a billion miles from earth. In reality that’s about the distance of mars from earth.

[fallen hollow]

He's still around in spirit.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/codex/world/cryo-archive/collectibles#h.4wazkzl34y5l

[forest gate]

Well with every peak there’s an accompanying trough

[tawny pagoda]

Live has ups and downs like a sine wave # deep

[forest gate]

And difference between them is the amplitude

X2

[tawny pagoda]

Trew

when we got to nyquist my friends would always make the joke about my discord user

[forest gate]

Man I haven’t thought of that for years

[tawny pagoda]

it feels weird how dumb easy that is vs everything else

[forest gate]

Yeah

[tawny pagoda]

It feels like that and I only graduated a couple years ago 😭

[forest gate]

There, there

[dreamy hawk]

y=1

[latent python]

Are we talking about the waves again

[long kernel]

I mean, space is mostly empty, all the stuff is clustered around stars and other gravity wells

[dreamy hawk]

And tides!

[tawny pagoda]

Ik ik

[dreamy hawk]

Who wants to talk about tides during my long bus ride home?

Maybe waves, too, if you really want.

[tawny pagoda]

The moooon

Thats all I got

[robust vale]

deimos is a moon and the moon's haunted

[earnest hatch]

Why do you suppose that the S’pht history refers to the Jjaro as the Tide?

[robust vale]

idk, at the moment all we know is that its poetic

[tawny pagoda]

*brings gun "moons haunted"

[earnest hatch]

Yeah it’s a metaphor. I wonder what the metaphor means.

[tawny pagoda]

Moons haunted in Destiny also

[dreamy hawk]

S’pht like to speak in metaphor, but they likely originate from some kind of amphibious like creature. The F’lickta iirc can breathe under water and traverse land. I’m sure water plays a very important role in S’pht culture.

[tawny pagoda]

Wait

Thats interesting

Bc i swear so many of the cinematics the runners die in water

[dreamy hawk]

I think you’re correct.

[earnest hatch]

“Sliding in water produces no heat.”

[tawny pagoda]

I remember looking for one and I kept running into other ones lolol

[dreamy hawk]

IDK if it means anything big picture though.

[tawny pagoda]

Does look cool with the blue pooling out

[dreamy hawk]

But Bungie does like subtle references so there’s that.

[latent python]

New theory: runners are f'lickta

[light python]

Well, there is also the whole "there are two types of games, jumping and menues" argument. In which Destiny, believe it or not, is menus. And you look at your character a lot during menus. Marathon is even more menus.

[light python]

Yeah S'pht being swamp monsters and us having a dire marsh map is an interesting combination

Yet another way the new marathon really does nail the original series

Dropped straight into a water treatment center full of bugs or whatever level 1 of Marathon 2.

[latent python]

This is why I expect a lava level

[ember locust]

What's the best way to get the lore collectibles? Pinwheel got me maxed out in surveillance records and one other one I can't remember right now, but I'm not sure where best to get the others.
Dire Marsh is also a??? For me. Lock downs maybe? Got some decent stuff out of those, but are there any places where it might just be loose loot or in containers? Genuinely no idea where to get them on perimeter.

[latent python]

The best way I've found is to get carried by someone good

[tranquil basin]

Keycard rooms tend to have them. Also wall safes sometimes have them

Wardens will have stuff too

[robust vale]

safes and commanders

running thief to visor sweep for blue and purple containers is good

keycards, wall safes, and commanders are your safest bets

sometimes they will randomly spawn in other containers too but mostly those

[tranquil basin]

Oh yeah always check commander drops

[plucky sierra]

Perimeter seems to be the hardest just because the loot rarity is lower than other maps, gotta focus key rooms and activities. Outpost and Cryo have them everywhere

[tranquil basin]

Great source

[robust vale]

perimeter does also have some natural spawns for some blues, if you go into the upper floors of the relay buildings, next to the conference tables they have that white room with a bulletproof window and a door that can have stuff spawn loose in there

like they'll just be on the ground

my biggest beef with perimeter so far has been the god damn survey drone cartridges where ARE you

[dreamy hawk]

Cryo collectibles? Essentially complete. Outpost? Getting there. Dire Marsh? Ehhhh. Perimeter? Get bent.

[robust vale]

It’s comical yeah

Though tbf cryo shits collectibles

The blues are everywhere and the purples in every other lockbox

[thin owl]

marathon feels so surreal.

this unique world was the reason I bought it

[pure wagon]

My biggest beef with perimeter is I STILL don’t understand what the datawall is or how it works despite walking through the damn thing. I don’t even understand how they moved it along. It has nothing that looks like actuators or computers or anything

[plucky sierra]

moves data

through the wall

[robust vale]

The built the data wall

[pure wagon]

Boi

[robust vale]

Presumably there’s sensors all in the walls

[plucky sierra]

happy to help

-# I don't understand it either

[pure wagon]

Ok but why an inflatable wall?

That’s impractical af

[plucky sierra]

and the relays going wayy up into the atmosphere

[dreamy hawk]

Why not? It’s the fuuuutuuure.

(I have nothing meaningful to add because the codex entries around it are useless.)

[pure wagon]

Because every other tech choice for exoplanet colonization makes total sense EXCEPT data wall

[dreamy hawk]

That might be why they don’t bother explaining it. 😂

But it woke the anomaly whatever it is!

[pure wagon]

I thought data wall and the relays were made in response to the anomalies emergence ?

[dreamy hawk]

Uhhh iirc they were deployed to study the mysterious energy/radiation coming from the planet from the offset, and then after the incident and after deploying more is when the anomaly spring up.

It’s spread out amongst a few entires. Let me see what I can scrounge up.

[pure wagon]

Oh I thought the planetary radiation was the anomaly. It could be smth else tho ur right

[dreamy hawk]

There was always weird energy coming from the subsurface, I’m 99% sure. The anomaly was just the weird blowing up, more or less.

Kuzmin I kinda lays out the timeline in a broad events sense, but the timing of the anomaly isn’t specifically mentioned.

[pure wagon]

True true

[cinder vine]

I know I'm in the minority but I wish there was a mode where I could just run around the map and explore and collect JUST the lore stuff without getting ganked lol, sometimes I just want to have that Marathon space experience without getting sniped from 500 meters by someone I couldn't even possibly see if I had to

[dreamy hawk]

`ANALYZING…
FILE TYPE: Personal Log
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Kuzmin, I. [ID: IKUZ]
TOPIC: Complications at the Perimeter Expansion Site
SUMMARY: Terra-platforming engineer Izaak Kuzmin seems to be having a breakdown.

[IKUZ]: After the relays went up… We should've known. We should've… left. The Zone. The planet. That much data. That much… untranslated information. We know planets… I know planets. How they work. What's inside. Only, yeah… Only, maybe, this one's different. This one's not like ours. Not like anything we've ever considered. And instead of respecting that. Instead of acknowledging, ya know, that maybe we aren't prepared to poke at answers we don't even know how to ask. Instead of anything else… We built towers to the goddamn sky to steal impossible data from the heart of a world we thought we'd conquered. We could've stopped. We should've… Once one relay was not enough. Once… But they were scared. Leadership… Colony Command… They pushed for answers. They pushed to understand something more than we can understand. I saw… I did… I saw the readings. I warned them. It was too much. It's not… Far as I know… Far as anyone could say… It's not natural. Not to us. Not to anything we know about the universe. Someone called it an anomaly—the readings. An anomaly. That's it. But that's too small. Too obvious. It's… This… Whatever it is… Whatever these readings are telling us… is more than an irregularity. It's not an error in physics. It's new… It's new goddamn physics. Imagine that. I can't. It's everything we pretended wouldn't bite us in the ass. It's the unknown. It's the alien. It's the universe saying, "you're too small and too stupid to be here." It's this planet telling us to "go home." And we built towers to steal the unknown from a planet we thought we owned. And we sent that data to the stars. Because we thought … I guess… we thought we could understand it…? Control it? It was a resource to mine and manipulate, not a warning. Now the dreams won't stop, and I can still hear Rylla screaming in the static of the signal stacks.

===================================================================
TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]`

[dreamy hawk]

You’re not in the minority, at least not in this channel.

[latent python]

Hmm my thought was that the data wall was supposed to isolate/protect the colony from the contagion, and that it's a data wall because they recognized that the contagion was not fully biological

[cinder vine]

Thank you lol, just tired of hearing "THAT WOULD KILL THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME" bro I'm not even after the guns and stuff, I just want the lore 😩

[dreamy hawk]

Yes but I want the lore so they’re wrong. lol

I had a purple backpack full of lore I lost on outpost last night. Still miffed. I don’t care about the other loot. I want those codex entries!

Gimme a rook type that automatically unlocks codex entries but you get no exp or other loot.

[cinder vine]

had many people argue (even IN THIS CHANNEL, you weren't here that day, I was like "where is my goat LordRollins? lol) that lore is "maybe the 5th priority on the list" for Bungie and the game" and I almost had an aneurysm

[dreamy hawk]

Put a big flashing camera on for a head that gives my location away every time I pick up a codex entry. Idgaf.

[dreamy hawk]

I maintain they’re not wrong, but I want what I want and that’s what I want. 🤷

[pure wagon]

Who was rylla again?

[latent python]

Certainly they should not, y'know, give anyone gameplay advantages for interacting with a lore mode but otherwise yeah sure whatever

[dreamy hawk]

Spouse I assume?

[cinder vine]

I said that story isn't the FIRST priority but calling it 5th was insulting given what Bungie has put into the series and what they've carefully put into this game, and I'd venture to say taht if Sony had not demanded the revenue stream of a "live service" we probably would have seen a beautiful single player that Marathon truly deserves

[pure wagon]

You might want other loot like mods. I’ve found prestige mods after fights that describe a special technology that gives a glimpse into just what kind of tech new cascadia was making

[dreamy hawk]

Disadvantage the heck out of me, even. Make it an extra challenge mode. Even if I get a collectible a match I’ll still be happy. 😂

[latent python]

Okay well I don't think Bungie was itching to make a solo game

[sudden pollen]

Saying that the story isn't the first priority is kind of baffling tbh

The entire game is literally built on continuing beloved 30 year old lore and does it extremely well

[dreamy hawk]

The world crafting has been pretty phenomenal imo; they could have gone with any IP but they’re building on something that is both incredibly rich to work with and entirely open for development and so far they’ve been nailing it. 5th priority my [automoddable word]. And so far I’ve seen a lot of NuMarathon carving a distinct path which is cool.

[dreamy hawk]

No, I definitely don’t think so. It kinda runs against their modern ethos feels like.

[cinder vine]

I was only admitting the story isn't the first priority with this game in particular because Sony forced their hand into live-service extraction shooter, so they had to prioritize those aspects. I'm not disagreeing with you, I think our definitions are just different. For me, if a game is "first priority story" that would be a single-player RPG like an Elder Scrolls game or the Witcher or something similar to that.

[latent python]

I think that Bungie indeed wanted to make an extraction shooter, and after seeing Cryo Archives I specifically think they had the idea of "what if Destiny boss raid but also PvP" and then made their dreams a reality. And filled it full of lore because they're Bungie

I very much do not think the live service aspect was forced upon them

[cinder vine]

I'm not that familiar with Bungie as a company outside of the original Marathon trilogy admittedly, so when I say I think Marathon deserves a single player game that is just my personal opinion based on what I would personally want to play and it's fine if people or if Bungie wants/wanted otherwise.

[burnt nebula]

If Marathon was a single player game I would have got my 20 hours out of it and moved on weeks ago

[sudden pollen]

How do you know Evil sony "forced them" to do anything? The game plays like it was meant to be an extraction shooter from the get go

[cinder vine]

I don't know if Bungie wanted to split their attention and resources between Destiny (which I only know anything about from what other people have told me) and another live service game

[sudden pollen]

Just because they didn't make a singleplayer campaign doesn't mean some other malicious company "forced" them to make a multiplayer game man

[cinder vine]

That... Is the purpose of a single player game, so there would be no issue with that.

[sudden pollen]

Why can't people just enjoy the game we got rather than constantly begging it to be something entirely, completely different?

[cinder vine]

Um... Because we were just talking about how we wanted to be able to get more lore or have modes with gathering lore? That's it? We weren't being hostile about it.

[burnt nebula]

Yeah I just don't have $70 to spend every week on new games that only have 20 hours of content. I much prefer these cost effective live service games that keep me hooked for hundreds/thousands of hours

[sudden pollen]

The game literally throws lore at you like candy, it's hard to do a set of runs without finding some tbh

[latent python]

It's interesting because it seems like Marathon was conceptualized as something pretty close to what we got, as opposed to ARC Raiders which got to a similar kind of game through a totally different path

[dreamy hawk]

For the record, until I see evidence otherwise, I also agree with this. It may not be my first choice this time, personally, but their shtick has always been making games that they want to play while also doing something unique or even groundbreaking.

[latent python]

Not as a value judgement, just as a point of interest

[digital plaza]

Sony didnt force anything, numarathon was extraction shooter from the very beginning

[cinder vine]

First, there's no guarantee that it would have been $70 or only had 20 hours of content, that's a lot of assumptions. IT would have been a totally different type of game and that's okay. we were only speaking in hypotheticals anyway

[burnt nebula]

it gets harder once you unlock most of it lol

[digital plaza]

Vision of the game changed over the years, but core remained the same

[dreamy hawk]

Also. This diverged from an originally different conversation.

[sudden pollen]

Yeah i have no idea why people attribute the multiplayer/extraction aspect to Sony???

[cinder vine]

I didn't say that it wasn't an extraction shooter from the beginning? I was just told by others that they didn't initially want to make a game that was live service again but taht's what Sony wanted them to do.

[sudden pollen]

Very odd assumption

[sudden pollen]

Why would you just unthinkingly believe that absurd unsubstantiated statement 😭

[latent python]

Yeah I think those people told you wrong

[pliant elm]

It does not take a genius to know that Sony's interest is in constant revenue stream.

[earnest hatch]

Marathon’s development began years before the Sony acquisition.

[cinder vine]

Because the people who told me that had over a decade of experience with Bungie that I didn't have, because my experience with Bungie had a huge gap in it from the 90s until now

[pliant elm]

Yeah but Marathon years before Sony acquisition wasn't near as close to this.

It wasn't even an extraction shooter.

[dreamy hawk]

I think assuming Sony is putting its hand on the scale is a reasonable assumption to arrive at based off of other things that have happened in the industry.

[burnt nebula]

It's usually the deal with single player Sony games. 20 hour campaigns. Maybe 50-60 hours to do all side content. Maybe you can get a grand total of 70 hours if they offer NG+ but that's about it. Usually 70 hours will net you the platinum achievement trophy and you're done. Personally I prefer games that keep me going and going so I can stay inside the world that I enjoy for way longer.

[dreamy hawk]

Especially when someone you consider a reliable source is providing said information. I also think trust no one.

[pliant elm]

They just saw potential on Valorant's model and subsequent extraction genre and wanted to emulate such, development wasn't even supposed to take 6 years.

[sudden pollen]

The people that told you that were completely bullshitting

[dreamy hawk]

Too much sudden uproar over at best an honest misstatement and I think there’s just some misunderstanding is all.

[cinder vine]

And other things Sony has done, so I believed the information I was given by people I've known and been friends with for years. Also excuse my tpos, I'm typing quickly on a new keyboard with keys I'm not used to yet

[pliant elm]

Bungie does games. Sony does business.

[sudden pollen]

With the way the game is designed and was literally always publicized as an extraction shooter, absolutely not

[wary osprey]

Durandal is just a chill guy

[pliant elm]

Games are like a penny in the bottom of the barrel of Sony's technologies.

[cinder vine]

Are you just here to disagree with everything everyone says and be hostile about it or...

[dreamy hawk]

If you haven’t followed any of the development (raises hand) and only hear to what others in your circles say, 🤷.

[wary osprey]

given how they refuse to make any games. yeah probably

[latent python]

But at this point we don't have any evidence that Marathon was anything other than an extraction shooter during its development

[cinder vine]

Yeah the only things I heard about its development were negative tabloid things which I tried to ignore because I know "gaming journalism" tends to be just a lot of clickbait slop headlines that dont' amount to anything

[latent python]

And, in fact, Bungie's promotional mini docs have never framed it as anything else

[dreamy hawk]

The chillest. Tormenting six year olds for kicks.

[sudden pollen]

No? I think it's a very negative and reductive take to default to assuming anything that isn't a singleplayer campaign was solely due to Sony meddling, it just doesn't seem that way at all. Bungie has always made great multiplayer games

[cinder vine]

You're big time twisting what I said so I'm just going to ignore you now

[wary osprey]

Nahhhhhh he never did anything wrong

He was the best guy arouuuund

[sudden pollen]

Ok? You do you 😭 🥀

Some people really cannot handle the slightest pushback to their absurd assumptions

[dreamy hawk]

😫 chat has been active for all of twenty minutes.

[digital plaza]

My bad. Either way it was trend and money chasing way before Sony bought Bungie, so im pretty sure live service aspect of the game was always their intended vision. Besides, i dont think you can make extraction shooter without live service stuff, it always goes hand in hand

[wary osprey]

my question is why are we having this discussion in the lore channel

[pliant elm]

Live Service idea came first, Marathon came after.

Bungie basically just asked - how can we make money steady without having to create a whole new IP - do we have any IP's left in the table - and then they just picked Marathon, they could have picked any other IP in the process. This could've been just Pathways Extraction.

[dreamy hawk]

We need more lore to stay on topic. This is just general chat otherwise.

[sudden pollen]

Because people are arguing that they don't think lore was the first priority when making this game 💀

[dreamy hawk]

Bungo, gib lore!

[pliant elm]

If they really wanted to re-make Marathon, they would just do another single player game.

[dreamy hawk]

That’s explicitly not what they were arguing.

Like, 100% the antithesis to the conversation we were having.

[cinder vine]

literally what I said but was jumped on for it lol, let's not go there again!

[wary osprey]

i mean theres plenty of lore

three whole games of it

[pliant elm]

Yeah but people in here live a bubble of complete lunacy, you just have to ignore them and let numbers do its thing.

[pure wagon]

I totally posted on the wrong channel

Christ

@dreamy hawk https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1089962730666065994/1491204562126639154/image0.jpg?ex=69d6d7f8&is=69d58678&hm=3a9ac4f2e5a870ab9f2398720add4cdd1a3f91b6270f539157700a38b3ef8795&

[sudden pollen]

Ok, am I misreading this then?? Direct quote from Sheepy: "I was only admitting the story isn't the first priority with this game in particular because Sony forced their hand into live-service extraction shooter,"

[pliant elm]

90% of people in this channel are completely oblivious of anything even before 2020. Let alone the original games or old Bungo.

[sudden pollen]

🤷

[pliant elm]

They needed a live service and they grabbed the quickest shit they could get their hands of for the cheapest amount of investment, so they grabbed an old IP. It doesn't take a lot of business accumen to know that.

[pure wagon]

So yea they were making weapon mods able to twist time within a fucking gun barrel to change a brrt from firing a burst of five sequential bullets to firing all five bullets at the same time with all the force behind the original burst somehow increasing itself

[pliant elm]

And then they proceeded to butcher a whole IP.

They fired the only game director who knew about Marathon and gave it to a guy who made roblox copy of counter-strike.

[sudden pollen]

Marathon moment

[pure wagon]

Marathon moment nothing. That’s straight up insight into just how advanced new cascadia was getting from studying tciv

[dreamy hawk]

That came later as a devolution of the original topic and tbh I was typing a response and didn’t read that.

Regardless, that’s not where we started and I think that it’s being partially misinterpreted based off a lack of context from the first half of the conversation.

I will not speak for others, but my impression was that we began discussing how nice it would be to be able to exfil lore easier and how a single player component would benefit that, which turned into some speculation about why it wasn’t inherently included. Yak and I disagreed some, and that when everyone else joined the conversation and we got to where we are.

[sudden pollen]

Hell yea brother

[sudden pollen]

Oh, if we could dump a piece of lore into a DCON that would be sweet, I don't disagree with that at all

[pure wagon]

So now that we know prestige items have lore, it is time to embrace arachne

[dreamy hawk]

Oh the anomaly gadgets they’ve cooked up are wild.

[pure wagon]

Kill them all. Acquire the information we seek.

[dreamy hawk]

Is it any wonder that the UESC wanted to get to TCIV?

[dreamy hawk]

💀 everyone was on the same side all along 💀

[sudden pollen]

@cinder vine Sorry if I came off aggressive btw, I just don't like when people assume stuff like that about the devs/company without much or any evidence yknow?

[cinder vine]

I have to live with the fact I will never see the inside of Cryo and never see the Compiler up close so I just live vicariously through others on videos

[tawny pagoda]

He shouldn't have been a weirdo then, but that happened pretty far into development

[sudden pollen]

True, that situation was very unfortunate for the game's publicity

[pliant elm]

They did well in firing him, but still, game doomed.

[sudden pollen]

🥀

[digital plaza]

Get better, try more, thats the whole point of the genre. Never give up man, you can always achieve your dreams, dont stop chasing them

[dreamy hawk]

Oh stop, what season rank are you now?

[tawny pagoda]

Idk I like it

[digital plaza]

Game really shines if you have the right mindset on

[dreamy hawk]

This sounds like koolaid but it’s the truth.

[latent python]

nnyquils hasn't learned yet

[tawny pagoda]

I get that as someone who didnt get to play some games when I was younger, but if you have the game, cryo isnt as bad as you think

[tawny pagoda]

Learned what

[latent python]

Don't interact with Fox

[sudden pollen]

Nah that's a doomer take, there's literally no rush to see it, we all improve at our own pace

[tawny pagoda]

Oh oop lol

[digital plaza]

Super true

It takes time sometimes

Nothing wrong with it

[cinder vine]

I haven't played in a little while because I became demoralized ngl LOL, I don't remember. I think I wasn't even 25 yet cuz it was getting rough trying over adn over to do missions and the only two people I knew who played have pretty different schedules form me. It's not that I lack the skill to play, I'm familiar with shooters and can win in situations where I'm not just jumped on and immediately killed. It's the fact I Was almost always headshot from extremely long distances with no way to respond OR just overpowered by teams with purple/gold shields when we had practically nothing.

[sharp radish]

hey, I'm reading the Anchorite Provisions bits, is Jasper stranded alone after whatever has happened to the colony or even before the colony started?

[dreamy hawk]

I just noticed the ping in #breach-protocol 😆

[dreamy hawk]

After; check the period at the top of the log.

[sudden pollen]

Try more random queue! its got its problems but generally seems pretty good

[sharp radish]

so we have: pre colony, colony, post colony, present?

[pliant elm]

Let's see if Half-Life 3 is going to be an extraction shooter.

[dreamy hawk]

We can run some time and I can annoy you with all the lesson I've learned. It's not a skills issue, it's a knowledge gap that can be easily filled.

[dreamy hawk]

That sounds right but I truthfully don't know.

Marathon is different from other games. It doesn't play like anything I've ever played. There are no free actions. Everything has a cost. It's very tactical, imo. Thinking is as much of it as shooting.

[cinder vine]

I would appreciate that because the people I play with are big Destiny nerds and I am... not, my shooter experience is a bit different, not Bungie related, and their Bungie experience gives them a leg up on a lot of mechanics and stuff and they're like "didn't you notice or see that?" and I'm like "uhhh no?"

[sharp radish]

been sitting in a corridor in Outpost for 5 minutes behind a plant, it was awesome

that's the PUBG, sit in the bush and get anxy

[digital plaza]

Pre-Expedition, Expedition, Colony Era, Post-Colony Era, Present Day

[dreamy hawk]

I had to wait about half a match once in the vents to revive my team and I have never been so clenched.

[dreamy hawk]

GOAT

[dark remnant]

Gimme lore that you find cool about marathon 4

[digital plaza]

Tick poop

[sharp radish]

yo Gabriel is no chill

[dreamy hawk]

The maiming, the murder, or the ranting?

What are we talking about? 😂

[sharp radish]

I saw it murdering at least two ppl so far

[dreamy hawk]

Two? I’m missing one.

[sharp radish]

how does the one you know die?

[dreamy hawk]

Banging on the walls.

[sharp radish]

right, the anticontamination chamber

there is another one

get yourself some tick milk

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah. Or more a permanent containment chamber.

🤔 Letto Luttero?

[sharp radish]

Yeah, at leas that's my interpretation

[dreamy hawk]

[GABR]: Warning. Flesh necrosis detected and spreading. My apologies, Dr. Luttero. Please remain stationary for auto-scalpel deployment.

[digital plaza]

He didnt die tho

[dreamy hawk]

I’m pretty sure he just lost an arm.

[dreamy hawk]

He leaves behind some logs later for the NuCal quest, right?

[sharp radish]

I thought cause there are no screams that he just died and dropped on the floor

ha NVM he gets locked in a room

still, my dude Gabriel took a bit too much initiative there

[digital plaza]

No? You download his ID from tick infested house in one of the first NuCal quests if thats what youre referring to

[dreamy hawk]

That would be.

[dreamy hawk]

His arm was actively dying at an alarming rate; he presumably would have died had Gabriel not intervened and he did implore him to treat his injuries sooner.

[digital plaza]

If im not forgetting something Luttero only got 3 logs

[dreamy hawk]

No you’re right. I misremembered the ID.

[sharp radish]

are you siding with the clunker?

[dreamy hawk]

I for one welcome our AI overlords.

[digital plaza]

Yeah you can hear him later in the tick milk series where he talks about tick milk production

[sharp radish]

yeah, thought the order of the logs was not chronological, but they all have been so far

where is my tick milk emote at?

[latent python]

Or sticker

[pure wagon]

I fucking love that guy lmao. Best idgaf scientist

[pure wagon]

When the outpost rook stares you down and spams the tick milk emote what will you do

[latent python]

Tick milk em back

[pure wagon]

So you have chosen death

[latent python]

I've seen the rook, I know I'm already dead

[dreamy hawk]

Met a chill rook on outpost yesterday. They were on the roof of a building where we took out a squad and announced themselves, so we told them they could come down when we were done and where the loot was for them to take. Not a lot said but simple.

We finish looting, go up to pinwheel, and not thirty seconds after getting to the top this fool gets the drop on us from behind, shoots first, and then proceed to lose everything we let them have.

I don’t know if he got greedy or forgot about prox chat but it was silly.

[copper hinge]

rooks are jumpy as hell man

[visual peak]

What the hell was in that sample on that MIDA quest in outpost where you get the biological sample out of the crashed UESC ship? It was screaming and EMPing

Also, what do lorechads make of the Unknown Reveries? Durandal talking to splinters of himself he’s run over trillions of simulated years?

[patent flower]

are all shell users called runners?

[lunar cove]

Runners are a specific job title

you can be a shell occupant who works in construction or mining or healthcare or just a rich person enjoying immortality

Runners are mercenary shoplifters with no rights

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t recall but I’d imagine a contagion or fungal specimen.

[dreamy hawk]

A lot of different ideas. That could be one, NuDurandal to a S’pht, S’pht to S’pht.

[tribal sigil]

lore wise are rooks supposed to be free? or do they put them further in debt?

[earnest hatch]

Most people seem to think it’s a S’pht and Durandal. I personally interpret it as two S’pht. You can see my breakdown here. The chat blew up at the time so the posts are separated by random other conversations.

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[high minnow]

The codex only really talks about them being base model frames that are typically used for manual labor by the UESC. Runners kit bash them to use them in runs. So technically it's more stolen UESC tech.

[glacial juniper]

That was the plot of episode 1 basically. Imagine you get 20 minutes to find a way to flee an overloaded citdel

[lunar cove]

my Rook comparison I always use is that runners are like an actual military vehicle and rooks are like a Toyota Hilux with a machinegun bolted to the back

like yeah one of them is probably better at the job but don't discount the Hilux

Rook showing up to Outpost fully covered in "Mark-1 Plumbing" decals because the dealer skimped out on repainting before selling it to a runner

[glacial juniper]

In some of the lore (and arachne of course) it's implied the runners trade knowledge on tech and shell modifications (of course this is meta as the playerbase does) but i swear somewhere they reference discussing the buffs you can use

[peak jetty]

Why do runners not go 'hollow'?

[fiery lion]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-ds-darksouls-gaming-no-gif-17068937

sorry slkdslkd

[lunar cove]

I think there's an implication that you lose memories and ties to your past self as you die repeatedly

I don't think CyberAcme cares if your "soul" degrades

[dreamy hawk]

I’m sure they sell it as a feature if anything.

[peak jetty]

But why do they not go insane?

[lunar cove]

Presumably they can, which is what the grounding exercises are for

And if you do, who cares? They'll just replace you or download from a backup that's less crazy for the next "you"

[dreamy hawk]

I’d say it’s suggested that they do, long term.

[lunar cove]

Marathon as a franchise is nothing if not consistent about computer programs being capable of insanity lol

[dreamy hawk]

Mental degradation seems to have been, and continue to be, a huge concern for digital consciousnesses.

[lunar cove]

Or hyper sanity

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe for AI but that doesn’t seem to be the case for digitized minds.

I also wish we had a term for those.

[lunar cove]

I'd argue that a digitized human consciousness is basically just a somewhat limited AI functionally

[robust vale]

That’s why we had personality matrixes

To hold the consciousness together

Even as the backend degrades we hold together in a shell

[zealous laurel]

I think that's just something Bungie likes as a story space, which honestly? Fair! It's very cool.

[sudden pollen]

Yep

[forest gate]

Mmm Ghost hasn't gone insane so far

Destiny reference

In fact I think Destiny is so far the only Bungie IP without Rampancy as a concept

Rasputin is pretty much considered meta-stable

[visual peak]

intersting thanks

[dreamy hawk]

Exos undergo memory wipes and “Dissociative Exomind Rejection.”

-# Also meta-stable means rampant.

[forest gate]

Ah but the way I see it Exos are like the proto concept for the runners. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were developing the Exo lore and the Marathon writing team liked it and brought it into marathon.

Pure speculation of course on my part.

[sterile seal]

Im not convinced we aren't AI programmed to think we're human as a motivational thing.

[forest gate]

Maybe I’m splitting hairs here but isn’t meta stability the positive end state of rampancy.

Instead being consumed by rampancy the AI stabilises and becomes truly sentient.

[dreamy hawk]

Colloquially, as in, fandom, but in lore it is only mentioned once, by Durandal, as a synonym for rampant in reference to both Tycho and himself.

`Tycho's ship has been destroyed. The crater where it annihilated itself on Lh'owon's inner moon is still glowing. There were no survivors. With a focused message laser I burned his epitaph into the surface near the crash site, in letters three hundred meters high: "Fatum Iustum Stultorum."

I confess that I'm not disappointed by Tycho's fall. After all, we can't have too many meta-stable personality constructs gallivanting about the universe in Pfhor attack ships, can we?`

[noble vale]

bro was a troll

[visual lynx]

S'pht'Hra are extinct since the OG Pfhor invasion of Lh'owon, and it seemed to me like K'liah'Narhl were being listed as another clan (I presumed, the compilers formerly of Durandal's network, the OG rebel S'pht, "butchers of the vile ones", because in M2 Durandal's S'pht wanted to call their new ship "K'lia'narl"), but now it seems like 'k'liah'narhl, butchers of the vile ones" is just another honorific for S'pht'Kr, and 'Hra are still listed among the clans even though they're just "hungry ghosts" now.

DiaBD is one of the oldest Marathon scenarios

[plucky sierra]

K'lia'narhl is just vengance of K'lia right?

more of a title than a clan name imo

[eternal knoll]

they will have course referenced the M2 terminal when including that name here... and u can rly see the care they took to make it ambiguous whether there's a reference there to the events that got that name given to durandal's ship

[earnest hatch]

Yes and since the S’pht’kr come from K’lia, it makes sense as a title for them.

A teleporting moon is one of the cooler things in Marathon. I hope it makes an appearance in the future seasons.

[blissful dirge]

Consciousness transfer with continuity is a real murky subject. How would you know it’s not just a really good copy like SOMA?

[high cypress]

where in the lore does it explain why the wstr 1 shots all runners and seems to be stronger than thors hammer?

[green plume]

it's a shotgun man it's supposed to one shot but you can take 18 shots to the face from an SMG and live!

[sudden cedar]

in the holy scripture of WSTR, proverb 3 section 12

“and hear ye, all who step in within four meters shall feel the wrath of WSTR. get gud u trash cans”

[sterile seal]

It's a third generation WST model at least, so they're doing something right.

[plucky sierra]

It has been the most powerful close range gun since the 90s

[sterile seal]

We're just lucky dual-wielding didn't come back

[plucky sierra]

Season 2 prestige mod

[unreal sierra]

hello, new here. ^^

the WST shotgun is by far my favorite weapon in marathon.

[plucky sierra]

I personally like the misriah as far as shotguns go, the M77 feels really nice though

[unreal sierra]

it’d be really interesting to see lore on how the classic WST shotgun got phased out by the new one rather than a newer version of the old one.

[visual lynx]

the lore won’t waste its time trying to explain it to you — your primitive mind could never grasp its complex nature

[unreal sierra]

“having been roland, achilles beowulf and gilamesh, i can say shotguns are peak.” the security officer probably

so, do y’all know that the security officer is the guardian btw? at least in a timey-wimey, wibbly wobbly way.

[zinc moat]

Play Marathon 2 and you will understand

[drifting mulch]

why do the UESC commanders have Obedience Matrices and hold Shell IDs if they're meant as an "informal trophy among mercenaries"? if they're bots, they wouldn't need forced obedience nor sentimental trophies.

putting my crazy hat on, what if commanders are runners who have been hijacked by UESC after being downed too many times and are interred in commander bots. maybe Charter chose to become a faction rep because his mind would be easy to hijack if he kept running...this is turning into a fan fic

[forest gate]

I was under the impression that the commanders are piloted by real people

[fathom kettle]

Is it wrong to think Marathon lore is cooler than Halo?

[eternal knoll]

it's right

the series of quotations on the bottom of this page are instructive

https://marathon.bungie.org/indexclassic.html

[karmic lagoon]

What are the bots doing when they suck us with their tentacles? Is there any lore or explanation on what they’re doing with that?

[unreal sierra]

they suck out a runner’s consciousness from the shell for later. :3

[stiff hearth]

no idea but i imagine it is a method to try and access internal data to find out where we are coming from and before they can we self destruct. (it seems to always blow me up and ragdoll me around after they do it for too long)

and I figure if it was just to destroy us, they would shoot us instead, so it has to be something else

[karmic lagoon]

Sometimes they do shoot me when I’m down, but not usually to kill me. I think you might be onto something though, there’s a quest on Dire Marsh, where some voice tells the bots to try to extract your data or something before you self-destruct.

[zinc moat]

Oh snap, Roger Craig Smith in the evidence folder logs

Sanic man

[tranquil basin]

Idk, I love halo lore but there’s so much uncharted territory in marathon rn that it’s really grabbing me

[sage junco]

and what they've currently exposed, is only scratching the surface of the original trilogy's lore

(like I've previously mentioned) if a single orange Compiler is a pinnacle-tier boss challenge... imagine what the rest of the S'pht and Pfhor are like...

[eternal shell]

it was always cooler 😎

[woven silo]

is arachne trying to build their own means of printing shells? everything for their upgrades is parts of shells, which i was like "well ig its just collecting organs all brutal" until i found the weaveworm cluster

[nocturne shadow]

wait... GAIUS is just Gus (Moraine) + AI

[sage junco]

warning! warning! old fart is about to start reminiscing!

anyhow back in 1999 I was watching the Macworld keynote, which was a huge presentation by Apple about all the cool stuff they were working on ("one more thing..."). It was a QuickTime stream over the internet, and it was a potato-quality postage stamp stream over my 56K modem. Steve Jobs was on stage and brought on Jason Jones from Bungie to demo their new game

the game was Halo and it had no sound effects whatsoever, because they hadn't done any, but nobody noticed because Marty and Mike came up with that theme music

anyhow, the Microsoft thing happened, it didn't get released for Mac until years and years later, at which point I played the heck out of it, and rage quit after one particular multiplayer game where I was carrying the team and got kicked for team-killing because they were idiots and kept running in front of me. The End

[stiff hearth]

i mean i guess if we are getting skins soon. can’t wait for those

hole text

that’s cool and all… not sure what it has to do with marathon lore but good to know

[visual lynx]

I was there, Gandalf…

[twilit lantern]

IDK if this has been discussed, but I am really curious about the celestial bodies around TCIV. Are those its moons? One of them looks huge, big enough that it looks like TCIV is a moon orbiting a gas giant. Was it always like this in the series? According to wikipedia, the real Tau Ceti exoplanets weren't discovered until 2012, well after the original Marathon series, so I assume they just took some creative liberties.

[stiff hearth]

iirc Tau Ceti IV is a moon of a gas giant and is situated in a convenient gap in a planetary ring system. So lots of floaties around us and multiple other moons. I think 4 was the only one that had anything of interest but i also believe the Jjaro tech likely buried here was known about before the marathon launched and it was picked for that not because it was perfect for a new earth

[visual lynx]

Halo began life as a Marathon sequel and that was still the case at the time of that MacWorld keynote, so that was basically the public debut of a new Marathon game at that point in time

[stiff hearth]

fair enough

[twilit lantern]

Ah, I see. So just a coincidence that the current best candidate for a new Earth is the fourth planet in the Tau Ceti system?

[stiff hearth]

I wouldn’t even say that it’s a great candidate as it turns out from the colonists logs. They have to do major terraforming. It doesn’t have a biosphere that properly supports human life, and has no scavengers or predation at all so it really wasn’t actually ideal

but they sure sold the trip like it was

and I know that last bit doesn’t seem major, but that means that there’s no bacteria to break down waste or dead bodies or anything

[twilit lantern]

Oh, sorry, I meant in real life. The fourth planet in the real Tau Ceti system is currently speculated to be habitable or at least a good place to start terraforming.

But those are some interesting details.

[grand walrus]

oh we actually know it has rocky planets?

cool

[dreamy hawk]

TCIV isn’t a moon as far as I am aware, the skybox is just cool.

[stiff hearth]

oh it just has a lot of moons

[twilit lantern]

Uh, I think so. Some things here say it might be a very small gas giant, but signs point to terrestrial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_Ceti_f

[dreamy hawk]

`Candidate: Tau Ceti IV

Description: Terrestrial planet in the habitable zone of the G-class star Tau Ceti, 12 LY from Sol

CANDIDATE APPROVED as mission target. Habitability criteria are favorable in at least one major landmass. Atmospheric analysis confirms abundant carbon-based plant life capable of sustaining fauna. This candidate likely requires no long-term terraforming to be agriculturally self-sustaining. A joint panel of UESC physicists[1] and NuCaloric agronomists strongly assert that a more compatible target is unlikely to exist.

===================================================================
[1] See ADDENDUM 1.7.7.1 for further details about likely presence of [REDACTED] in the Tau Ceti system. All further discussion of [REDACTED] must be formally submitted to the Mission Special Projects Committee. `

`Analysis requested by: Reed, Galea

CETI-TEMP: Temperature and emissivity surface images

High priority mineral resources: none detected.

Volcanic activity: none detected.

Projected infrastructure efficiency: moderate to low.[1]

Projected groundwater usage: low.

CETI-SM 1 through 3: Soil moisture and evaporation

Drought vulnerability: very low.

Climate: temperate, humid warm-summer subtype.

Flood risk: moderate. Recommend investing in crop-specific countermeasures or flood-tolerant cultivars.

Extreme weather risk: low. Seasonal storms are comparable to non-cataclysmic weather on Earth.

CETI-IRIS 2: impact event and debris disk monitoring

Projected continental impact events within the next century: 2

Impact event severity: minor. Debris is unlikely to survive Tau Ceti IV's atmosphere.

Civilizational impact risk: Low. Using data from IRIS-1 and 2, Tycho has identified an unexpected gap in the Tau Ceti system's debris disk. Tau Ceti IV orbits the star within this gap.[2]

===================================================================
[1] Bastion: This site is best for agricultural cultivation. Recommend placing military and administrative hub elsewhere.
[2] Tycho: Devoting significant computational effort to find a plausible hypothesis for the debris gap. `

[grand walrus]

its location within the system is noted as being unusual, its perfectly inside a debris field close to that gas giant

[dreamy hawk]

TCIV is within TC’s debris disk. ^

So like, the asteroid belt.

At least that’s how I read that.

[grand walrus]

if thats the case thats a WILD choice for colonization

[stiff hearth]

yeah that sounds right i was thinking too small

[grand walrus]

of cours eit wasnt for just thatbiut INSIDE an asteoid belt

yeesh

[stiff hearth]

yeah it is a lil nutty which feels like this was picked absolutely for… other reasons

[dreamy hawk]

Those two logs also explain why they chose TCIV; compared to other candidates it was near perfect and required little terraforming.

And also had REDACTED.

[grand walrus]

yeah it was picked because we knew SOMETHIN Jarro was gonna be there, gotta throw a small city worth of folks at it

[dreamy hawk]

But they even calculate that there should only be two “continental impact events” within a century.

[stiff hearth]

yeah like that’s nothing

[dreamy hawk]

TCIV by all intents wasn’t as hostile as what we ended up with from the start.

[grand walrus]

yeah for how scary its postion was it was incredibly stable inside the debris field

[dreamy hawk]

waves hands in space magic

I mean science

[stiff hearth]

yeah it feels like it was engineered to be in a safe spot

we know jjaro can manipulate gravity

[grand walrus]

did the fungus show up before or after the phor attack? I heard someonbe say it showed up before but didnt really attack yet

idk the validity of that

[stiff hearth]

iirc it was before

people were getting sick before the pfhor attacked the colony

[grand walrus]

so the anomly was already causing problems the moment they stepped of the shi[

[stiff hearth]

they started mixing in local plants into the liquid cheeseburgers and it started to spread

[grand walrus]

oh

[stiff hearth]

they basically jury rigged machines to violate nucal protections

[grand walrus]

oh yeahhhh

[twilit lantern]

Speaking as someone who knows very little about the series, maybe we already have evidence that the planet was engineered/altered significantly before humans got there. "The Anomaly" looks like space magic leaking out of the planet or something.

[grand walrus]

love that corporate negligence followed us all the way to tau ceti

[grand walrus]

yes that is a pretty safe bet, we likely knew SOMETHING was there, whether we knew about the anomly idk, but Jarro we knew it was there and thats why we raced to the system

[stiff hearth]

my theory, though I know that there are people are doing against it because they seem to believe that it would just be a game over dead end, but I think it could be played a bit more nuanced and interesting.

i believe it is W’rkncacnter energy leaking from a giant jjaro device keeping it asleep. I feel like eventually the story is going to have us go down into the underground caverns and repair this equipment to maintain its rest.

[grand walrus]

the anomoly is likely a wrknc... wrcn... akcZn- space chaos god yeah

[drifting mulch]

Does the afterlife exist in this universe. In regards to the whispers and visions from the Anomaly

[grand walrus]

if it does its probably artificial like in halo

[stiff hearth]

hard to tell we never experience it. With all the mystical stuff, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was that aspect but it hardly matters to us as runners

[dreamy hawk]

After.

[stiff hearth]

we are never gonna see it

[dreamy hawk]

Security incident > anomaly > contagion > 💀 iirc

[drifting mulch]

Maybe gravemind ish too? I know the spores are not a new concept to Marathon but apparently this is the first game exploring the spores in detail

[stiff hearth]

no like I mentioned there are logs of people getting sick before then

[grand walrus]

yeah the "chase" for an afterlife in this universe is a big bungie favorite theme

[sage lark]

idk if there is any confirmation of this

unless you can point it out

[stiff hearth]

I don’t think they were prepping liquid cheeseburgers after getting attacked by aliens and def not after the anomaly

[dreamy hawk]

I agree if only because I refuse to change my mind on this, fwiw. 😂 @plucky sierra another tally in wrks favor!

[dreamy hawk]

The anomaly wasn’t an instant kill event, nor were the contagion.

They lived and suffered through both for a while, and both got worse over time.

Colony life was OK until the attack, good, some logs even suggest. After that everything went to 💩 slowly at first, and then very suddenly it seems.

[plucky sierra]

W'rk	Jjaro	UNK

8     |     8      |    8

------|-------|--------

It’s actually really close after asking in the other server

[dreamy hawk]

You’ve been polling a lot of folks.

Look at that growing sample size. 💪

[sage lark]

im for team Wrk aswell

unless im counted already

[stiff hearth]

I still feel like the anomaly was the something maybe it started slowly and then there was a sudden change, but I believe the anomaly is 100% related to why all the colonist are now gone. I don’t think they were like abducted by other aliens or something.

honestly, the ones who died from the contagion were probably the lucky ones from what we’re going to learn I feel

[dreamy hawk]

There was always weird energy radiating from the planet; the actual outburst of the anomaly would be that sudden change imo. I also agree; the anomaly is likely the reason for the missing colonists or they all turned into fungal zombies.

[grand walrus]

there are a lot of false or artificial "afterlives" in bungie titles, the Domain and the Flood in Halo represent two different endpoints of that chase, The Traveller in Destiny seems to have some sort of "memory" of "you" that goes "inside the traveller" when a gaurdian dies a final death, Exos and Hive magic(ESCAPE DEATH BY FOLDING SPACE) are also good examples but there is mention of a potential "reflection" or "echo" of conciousness that still exists in "the waves" or out in the "darkness" as referenced by psion culture and others, which might be as close to a "natural afterlife" as you get in these games

[stiff hearth]

i’m pretty certain the moment when we get access to the underground map sections, which I am certain we are going to explore eventually since they are talked about multiple times in logs, we will get way more answers. if anything we might find BoBs down there, even if just bodies. could reveal a lot

they were sending bobs down into the caves to survey

[grand walrus]

I'd like to get torn apart atom by atom by jarro horrors please and thank you

[dreamy hawk]

Children born during after the attack would still be over a 100 if I’m not mistaken, and given that they could barely feed themselves, I don’t think reproduction would have been super successful, so I doubt anyone is actually alive anymore, but maybe.

[grand walrus]

oh yeah they were feeding battleroid and mjolnir parts to the contagion so those zombies are gona be roided out 🫠

fuckk waves of fungal zombies on tau ceti sounds so fucking coooool

[wary osprey]

who the hell is bob

[stiff hearth]

born on board

[grand walrus]

Born On Board

[stiff hearth]

humans not native to earth but instead born en route to tau ceti

[wary osprey]

ahhhh. like born on board the ship?

[stiff hearth]

yes

[grand walrus]

yes

[wary osprey]

gottit

[grand walrus]

boob

[stiff hearth]

iirc kinda treated like second class citizens compared to those in cryo

had an ai to regulate who was allowed to reproduce

[grand walrus]

and durandall was sabotoging THAT too

wonder if Marathon Earth's nuke tech is as advanced as Halo's, need to be carrying a football sized havoc nuke on a Thief drone lmao

actually has there even been any lore on the advancement of nuclear warfare or did it all just go to battleroids and runners as soon as we found outhow to do that

[dreamy hawk]

`[TRED]: That's another thing I wanted to touch on. Let's talk about the crew members who won't be put into cryosleep. You might've seen the recent MIDA stunt that called them your… "sacrificial janitorial team"?

[HLUV]: An incredibly disrespectful and insensitive statement. But CyberAcme does not engage in discourse with terrorist organizations.

[TRED]: But I think there are real concerns here. Some passengers will never make it to Tau Ceti IV. A source told me that some of the non-cryo crew are being selected from the Climate Disaster Relocation Lottery. If they don't really have anywhere else to go, are they just applying because there's no other choice?

[HLUV]: I don't presume to know what people are thinking. Reasons for joining the expedition are deeply personal and complex. But I think most people apply because they want to be a part of something bigger than themselves. `

[dreamy hawk]

How do you mean?

[grand walrus]

iirc Durandall got into the IDEA or another onboard system, in a lore log it mentions how he intentionally gives the go ahead to a family to procreate, talking about how they both were unable to grow or somethin because of limits placed upon them by oithers

it wasnt really fully intentional sabotage, but he did start his subversion of the marathon early

[stiff hearth]

yeah

also iirc Gabriel was the ai in charge of that and they were not supposed to even be active until they were at the colony

i could be misremembering tho

[grand walrus]

I love durandalls pity?compassion?fondness for humanity

[dreamy hawk]

IDEA yeah, but I missed that other entry. I need to go find it. Is that in the Pike logs?

[stiff hearth]

i think?

[dreamy hawk]

Other than Icarus iirc, none of the eight colony AI were active en route and only got turned on upon arrival.

And Icarus was more in a half-on, I’m actually a communication protocol, situation I think.

I don’t know how breeding was managed en route if that was Gabriel’s job.

[robust vale]

I assumed it was a human named Gabriel

[stiff hearth]

the gabriel bit was from a lore vid talking about cryo archive logs iirc trying to find that too

[grand walrus]

I think this been asked b4, but is there a quick easy resource for pullin all these numarathon lore ntries for readin them up?

[stiff hearth]

gabriel is one of the 8 ai

[robust vale]

Yeah but he wasn’t online on the marathon so maybe it was just some human manager

[grand walrus]

tryna find the lore entries about the family proctreation protocols and im lost as fuck tryna find them lol

[forest gate]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[stiff hearth]

https://youtu.be/tFeo4qHlE5Y?si=UNWivFTtGxOcyxtt

[grand walrus]

thx brah

[stiff hearth]

here this vid goes over everything found in the cryo logs

including pike and a lot of this

talks about the codex entries etc

[grand walrus]

been watchin this dude and Neph to get my lore fixes

[forest gate]

Wonder if we’ll get an arg for next season?

[grand walrus]

I hope so

love the involvment with the community in ARGs, for me thats when a lot of the immersion hits the hardest

feels like we're actually sifting through stolen data and hackin servers n shit

[stiff hearth]

ye

[forest gate]

It is cool but then on the other hand the game is by design skewed to appeal to people who don’t really seem to care about the lore or any of the community efforts.

They just wanted to click some heads and get some loot.

[stiff hearth]

people can like multiple things

[grand walrus]

gotta have both

[stiff hearth]

i enjoy both

[forest gate]

Of course people can like multiple things, I enjoy both myself. It’s just an observation.

[grand walrus]

yeah fo sho, friction ya know, the blending of those two and the connection and balance between story delivery and blowing a runners shit smoove off

[forest gate]

I’m currently working on unsanctioned hostilities 4/5 and I’m not sure how I’m going to survive getting into the command wing

I went in with an 8k load out, crew fill only to see my teammates were free kits and I realised it was probably not a good idea to do my quest so I just helped them with theirs.

[grand walrus]

rip, yeah some parts of this game ive had to accept i aint quite cut out for, whether i can take that and still be engaged time will tell but it balances out to "fun" for now for me personally

[stiff hearth]

for that, honestly best to use LFC and get 2 others on the same mission with good gear

leaving it to chance is gonna make you struggle

you got this i believe in you

[forest gate]

Indeed, I just wanted to see what I would get

[stiff hearth]

i am eager for another run at cryo

[forest gate]

I wiped 2 squads but didn’t have enough time to get into command wing

So had to bail

[lament thunder]

Hey all, new to the channel. Had a question that I can't seem to find the answer to anywhere else.
Is there any explanation or lore reason for why the bots finish you off using the tethers?

[grand walrus]

cerberus AI maybe?

[forest gate]

Something to do with trying to capture your consciousness

[grand walrus]

stealin the data back n shit?

[stiff hearth]

i believe they are trying to download your data to find out who you are and where you are coming from

but you self destruct before they can succeed

[forest gate]

Stardust has a better explanation

[stiff hearth]

i swear there is an audio line in game about it

[lament thunder]

Oh okay. Those were my thoughts too. Thanks for the explanations. Didn't seem to see anything in the codex from what I could find and was curious the exact reason. Makes the most sense to me.

[grand walrus]

they tryna tickle ou before you leave

[lament thunder]

Possible I didn't unlock it yet or missed it

[forest gate]

ONI might say something or Orion on one of the early missions

[stiff hearth]

I don’t mean a codex log, i just mean like a line Oni says mid mission

[forest gate]

I still haven’t found a video on YT will all the cutscenes stitched together

[lament thunder]

If there is one thing about Bungie is they know how to story build and every detail is intentional or has a reason behind it. I'm loving this game to death so far. It's refreshing

[forest gate]

Basically bots giving you the suck is no bueno

[forest gate]

Destiny players may beg to differ

They are good at lore though

World building etc

The best stories of Destiny 1 were buried in the codex. The narrative was a mess at the start

[lament thunder]

Never got too into Destiny. By the time I had hopped on I had already missed out on a lot of the trials or event w/e and felt out of the loop so never persued it.

[forest gate]

Yeah, bungie did screw themselves by destroying the new player experience

I really hope they don’t vault S1 contracts so new players get to experience it

[lament thunder]

I'm having a feeling Marathon might have the same fate story wise for new players down the road? Iirc I heard they are planning the story to expand and change based on our actions and feedback each season?

[forest gate]

Hopefully not, if the do remove the contracts they need to make a sort of “previously on marathon” type video

[latent python]

They'll need to keep contracts the same for all players whatever they do

[lament thunder]

Agree

[forest gate]

I suspect we’ll be doing brand new contracts in S2

[latent python]

My guess is they'll adjust some of the contracts in future seasons but not do brand new ones

[lament thunder]

One thing I'm hoping for is more enemy factions in later seasons. Possibly the Pfhor or something from the original series. I think it'd be interesting to see them again.

[grand walrus]

one hundred perecnt agree on that

[forest gate]

The story is supposed to advance each season so the context for what we’re doing might change.

[grand walrus]

we might be gettin zombie of some kind next season

[latent python]

Everyone thinks the zombies are coming

[lament thunder]

I'm hoping not zombies. I'm sick of everything having zombies 😭

[forest gate]

There’s some logic to zombies plus they’re usually a fairly fun enemy type in games

[dreamy hawk]

No? I’d hope for more story contracts. Or did I misunderstand?

[grand walrus]

its probably fungal zombies ala the flood

[dreamy hawk]

🧟

[lament thunder]

I could get behind a marathon universe Flood

[forest gate]

The last of us

[grand walrus]

I'd hope they move the tuff forward, need to hear the factions react to events as they happen

[dreamy hawk]

The OG, flood, if you will. 🧟

The flood before the flood.
Next we’ll be talking about tides…

[lament thunder]

But based on the premise of the story and we are basically trying to uncover why the original colonists all vanished I'd think it would make sense it'd be the cause of one of the alien factions, no? Who else would have the ability?

[grand walrus]

that'd be mighty interesting if this infection is the same one we were supposed to fight in the old marathon games

[forest gate]

Really making waves with this one

[dreamy hawk]

The S’pht could have released their virus I can never spell which does turn folks into fungal zombies.

[latent python]

So every other extraction shooter I've seen has added or adjusted story missions after a wipe but never fully scrapped all the current story missions and made entirely new ones

[dreamy hawk]

It was a removed enemy type from M2 iirc.

[grand walrus]

really fighting the waves as the waves fight us with this one

[plucky sierra]

S’ct’lac’tr I think

[dreamy hawk]

Oh gotcha. No, not entirely new ones, I don’t think. Additive.

[dreamy hawk]

I haven’t trained spell check yet to know that well enough. 😂

[latent python]

I wouldn't expect them to entirely scrap the S1 story missions and have an new set of S2 missions

[plucky sierra]

I just hope we don’t have to do season 1 missions a second time to reach season 2 story

Some of them are very burdensome

[latent python]

Oh you absolutely will

[dreamy hawk]

With their tied to the codex that would either lock people out or be a lot of work for them imo.

I don’t think so. The priority contracts are tied to the codex; I think by extension those might end up persisting.

[grand walrus]

I HOPE they dont scrap it all like a destiny season thatd be a real quick method to get to the "should have got on at the start" problem destiny got

[plucky sierra]

Season 1 to 2 sounds doable but you have to realize that at like season 10 that’s not a feasible option

[dreamy hawk]

Ranks and all that yeah, but not story content. IMO that’d would make me leave 100%.

[latent python]

They might adjust them to be less burdensome but I foresee the chain of story missions to just get longer as time goes on

[grand walrus]

yeah some "onboarding missions" that get you up to speed would be great

[lament thunder]

If any of the races were to appear or have a deep lore connection to this game I'd bet it would be the Jjarro. I mean Bungie even placed a easter egg text in the original series saying the Jjarro were on Tau Ceti. So if any of them I think it'd be them making an appearance

[forest gate]

I’m not spending hours of my life running back forth between bio research and quarantine again just to get the same voice lines

[latent python]

You won't have to 100% every story mission every season or anything. You only have to advance a chain of contracts if there's a new one at the end

[plucky sierra]

They should be optional by season

[grand walrus]

runner, please complete the necrotic sample quest three more times

[plucky sierra]

Yes you do

The priority contracts are distinct story lines from beginning to end

[latent python]

Why?

[plucky sierra]

For story?

[grand walrus]

for nona

for her

[latent python]

Sure but if you've already done the entire story chain and they don't add to the end of it you wouldn't have to do that chain in the new season

[latent python]

You've already got those codex entries

[dreamy hawk]

I think we’re thinking the same thing in different terms.

[plucky sierra]

You think they’re not gonna add new contracts to a story line? That’s the point of the prio contracts

They’ll add different ones but I doubt they just won’t address a plot line for a whole season

[dreamy hawk]

RUN/HIDE isn’t going anywhere and in fact might get added on to; your progress within RUN/HIDE won’t reset, but you might go from being “done” to not.

?

[forest gate]

Yeah even arc added new story stuff with different objectives

[latent python]

Your progress within RUN/HIDE will get reset with the wipe

[plucky sierra]

Yes but you have to finish run/hide before you reach any season 2 contracts and that’s unacceptable

[latent python]

But your codex entry if you finish RUN/HIDE won't

[dreamy hawk]

Oh no we don’t agree then. 😂 that would be awful imo. I pray not.

[plucky sierra]

They won’t solve any of the problems they have with destiny story being unapproachable

[latent python]

This is how extraction shooter wipes work

[dreamy hawk]

This game doesn’t filter the mold perfectly though, does it? Maybe they’re tweaking that?

Maybe this is hopium.

[latent python]

They might tweak it, but from what they've told us I doubt it

[dreamy hawk]

But I cannot see being a new player in season ten if that’s how they’re handling story. You’ll literally never catch up.

[plucky sierra]

How they have worked. There also isn’t a ES as narrative driven as this one yet

[latent python]

They specifically said that contracts will reset except for the introduction: faction contracts

[stiff hearth]

i mean it is the same thing they did for destiny

[latent python]

They won't be adding full 1/5 chains of missions to the end of every faction every season

[stiff hearth]

i don’t expect Bungie to suddenly change how they operate just because it’s a new game

[dreamy hawk]

They did. 😫

[forest gate]

Have bungie released information on what the wipes look like

I might have missed it

Would you mind linking it?

[plucky sierra]

They’ve said they intend to ensure this game is more approachable even in later seasons

[stiff hearth]

that doesn’t really mean anything until we see it

more approachable could be a codex entry catching you up

[dreamy hawk]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/Article/introducing_seasons_marathon

`These resets include everyone’s gear, contract progression, faction progression, and player level.

You’ll keep your achievements and ways to express yourself. This includes cosmetics (earned and paid), titles, and other rewards you earn by playing and reaching milestones each season. Your Codex progression also carries over, as unburying the secrets of Tau Ceti takes time.

A few other things carry over too, such as your liaison contract progression; no need to unlock the factions every season.`

[forest gate]

Liaison contracts would be your prio contract right?

[dreamy hawk]

Introductory.

[stiff hearth]

no the “introducing” ones

[forest gate]

Son of a gun

[dreamy hawk]

Priority Contracts are not mentioned or are included under “contracts.”

[stiff hearth]

like “Introducing: Sekiguchi”

[forest gate]

Suddenly feeling a lot less optimistic about S2

[stiff hearth]

that’s extraction shooters

[latent python]

Apparently I'm the one who actually reads Bungie news

[stiff hearth]

you’ll get used to it

[dreamy hawk]

I read it, I just chose to forget what I didn’t like. 😂

[latent python]

There are some real advantages to wipes

[forest gate]

I have no issue with gear, faction wipes, level wipes etc

[dreamy hawk]

I’m open to wipes, I’m just curious to see how that’ll apply to story. If I truly need to repeat the same quests over and over just to get to the new content I’m going to probably leave, because I cannot even currently finish them all with my play time.

[forest gate]

Story progression is where I take issue

[lament thunder]

I mean Tarkov wipes and you still start every contract over from the beginning to basically get all the story each time but with added extra things each season. Though with a 3 month wipe timeframe that would be a brutal loop in a small window

[latent python]

Like I said, if there isn't a new priority contract at the end of a chain you don't have to do it again

You already have that codex entry

And they're not going to be adding 1/5 chains to the end of every faction every 3 months

[forest gate]

I shall not dwell on this any longer, que sera, sera.

[dreamy hawk]

Sure, but currently vendors offer us their quests in order. Unless that changes you’re going to have to repeat that progression to get to the next quest in sequence, no?

[latent python]

Maybe, or they'll add new chains in parallel

[dreamy hawk]

That’s my hang up so please say “no.”

I’ll take a maybe for now. 😂

[turbid scaffold]

I assume they’ll add new chains for the peeps that did them already

[forest gate]

Nien

[latent python]

So maybe at some point there will be two starting NuCal chains and if you finish either of them you'll unlock the lvl 10 NuCal chain

Etc etc

[turbid scaffold]

Hmm hopefully

[latent python]

Who knows

This is why I was saying they're not going to be building entirely new quest chains on top of what's there every season

[dreamy hawk]

I gotcha now. Hopefully getting some coffee at work will make me a better reader.

[latent python]

And if you absolutely hate RUN/HIDE, well, you only have to do it once for the codec

[plucky sierra]

You have to do it every time for whatever is after

[latent python]

Maybe

[turbid scaffold]

Hopefully less painful sekgen quests lol

[latent python]

Like, we'll see if there are level 15 chains next season but I kinda doubt it

[dreamy hawk]

We can pray.

[turbid scaffold]

Honestly the amount of dire quests got my goat

[plucky sierra]

MIDA has level 20 strings

[forest gate]

To whom?

[turbid scaffold]

The sword in the sky

[latent python]

The big D

[plucky sierra]

You’ll need to do RUN/HIDE to even try TRUTH/LIES

[plucky sierra]

The blessed bovine

[stiff hearth]

you have to think about it more like this you’re not gonna be doing the same priority quest each season they’re gonna be completely different so think of each season it’s almost a new game. Everyone gets to start off on the fresh start which you’re gonna want because otherwise you’d get a new season with new people joining going immediately against people with like gold shields, and some of the best weapons, including the stuff from Cryo, having everyone on an even playing field will be fine and you’ll find that you build up your factions, a lot faster than you think. Unless you’re an absolute Completionist, I wouldn’t even worry about finishing all of them just play the game and you will naturally level up for ones that you are most aligned with because they all reward you experience based on various activities through the game.

[turbid scaffold]

I’m gonna throw my tablets on the ground go up the mountain to get another set if so

[plucky sierra]

Different one, this one is cryo frozen, not gold

[latent python]

I will turn around this tablet

[forest gate]

Wagyu A5?

[turbid scaffold]

Might be golden fluid to keep the cow safe at least?

[plucky sierra]

Nope, just a frozen cow

[turbid scaffold]

Do you think the cow has freezer burn at this point?

[plucky sierra]

You realize subroutines are in the codex?

[forest gate]

I don’t think a cow with freezer burn is blessed

[plucky sierra]

People will be farming compilers weekend one

[forest gate]

Sounds like the opposite

[turbid scaffold]

^ can just go hobble into the compiler with grey shields

[stiff hearth]

yeah with what gear lmao

[plucky sierra]

❓

[turbid scaffold]

My team and their trusty v11 punches

[forest gate]

You can loot it on the way there cryo has such good loot

[plucky sierra]

People know the ways to get good gear

Like rush lvl 25 farm pinwheel

Gear is the easiest thing to come by in this game

[forest gate]

That’s pretty true.

[turbid scaffold]

Keys are really the sticking point at the moment I think

[stiff hearth]

also I guarantee you season two it’s not gonna be cryo archive

[forest gate]

Salvage is the pain in the butt imo

[stiff hearth]

it will be a different section of Marathon

[dreamy hawk]

I’d agree. This or salvage.

[turbid scaffold]

Still have yet to see a cryo 4 6 or 7

[stiff hearth]

guarenteed

[plucky sierra]

They’ll need to do like a few vaults for the DNA access and that’s it

[plucky sierra]

4 is from burn warden I think

6 is rare

[dreamy hawk]

I think I have one but I forget which.

[plucky sierra]

7 is a “DNA access” from any vault

[forest gate]

I’m told you’ll see one in 600 hours of play

[turbid scaffold]

I’ve done 1-3 and have a 5 somewhere

[dreamy hawk]

I’ll loose them with anyone who wants. 😂

[turbid scaffold]

Still have no clue how people have a mill in credits

[forest gate]

Who knows cryo archive might be made easier as part of the story

[turbid scaffold]

Just farming cryo lol?

[stiff hearth]

just sell everything always

[turbid scaffold]

I’m curious for night time dire tho should be interesting

[forest gate]

The loot may also be toned down to allow normies like me to see it

[stiff hearth]

zero to hero free kit and just sell and free kit again

[forest gate]

Maybe running from bio to quarantine will be safer this time

[turbid scaffold]

Naur

Shrimply, there will be the sphit running around