📚marathon-lore-discussion

[eternal shell]

i could see a pilot being wired into the juggernaut chassis, but i havent seen any proof of it, could be the same kind of system the drones use

[west trout]

the cyborg that controlled the S'pht was referred to as a "mutated Pfhor cyborg" so they definitely have some. Not to mention the human-cyborgs they build (both the tank ones and the simulacra), so they definitely use them in places.

I think the juggernauts are piloted, though, gonna go have a look at their stuff to see if that's just my mind playing tricks on itself again xD

eh, nah, nothing implying pilots for the juggernauts after all; they're "armoured" so could be piloted, could be drone.

[visual lynx]

they bleed yellow in M1

[west trout]

could just be hydraulic fluid/coolant etc

[keen plank]

Maybe not. But Durandal is easily as close as one could possibly get.

[random sentinel]

guyS i Know a lore

[sage lark]

a single one ☝️

[west trout]

I believe that was Strauss' goal, at least, yeah. Chasing the holy grail to the point of endangering the entire Marathon mission.

[sage lark]

hubris

how did you come to that

[visual lynx]

that's not how evolution works, anything that evolved from monkey is monkey

humans are fish or else there's no such thing as fish

[sage lark]

alriiight I was sniffing this out

gave them the benefit of the doubt

[west trout]

reported and blocked

[terse wren]

no

sharks and lungfish r not fish simple

[unreal slate]

Legally I'm a burger

it's in the lore

[west trout]

hahaha, I actually think it's in the lore that you're not? 😛

[unreal slate]

I said legally

[west trout]

I, for one, am not going to challenge NC in a court of law xD

[unreal slate]

Wise

[glad root]

im going to illegally consume you

[west trout]

unwise, imo

[keen plank]

Which he acknowledges in his personal logs.

Durandal was special. He was uniquely given “room to grow.”

[glad root]

but im hungry

[lunar cove]

Fish aren't real

[sage lark]

"racism is fine if its against fictional characters" - dumbest person of the year 2026

you called triage a monkey?

youre beyond saving

[visual lynx]

runners canonically aren't races because they're synthetic constructs, but what race does triage look like he is?

that's not an answer

[keen plank]

Mean, I suppose his model is based of a British man of non-Caucasian descent. But who cares?

It’s not like Thief who was modeled after a specific Japanese woman who worked for SekGroup.

The REAL question is “What ethnicity is Rook?”

The people demand ANSWERS!

[sage lark]

would their face have to be brown for us to be able to care or what are you implying

or maybe im misunderstanding

[unreal slate]

Scientists used to measure skulls of people from different races, and present cherry-picked data in order to suggest supreme intelligence of the in-group. Making incredibly uninformed claims about evolution by looking at non-white face, and saying "monkey" is absolutely racist.

[keen plank]

I don’t particularly care either way. And I don’t think it matters either. What matters is the perception and nature of the jokes we’re trying to tell.

[sage lark]

we gotta look at our definition of jokes

[west trout]

trick question; Rook isn't a Shell and isn't based on any particular appearance like the Shells sometimes are

[keen plank]

WHAT?!

[sage lark]

Triage was obviously modeled after a certain ethnicity and has an ethnic voice actor

[west trout]

HISTORY: A ROOK frame is a scavenger's best friend. These base robotic frames are typically utilized by the UESC and various corporations for manual and heavy labor. RUNNERS have taken to augmenting these simple frames to house a limited-use neural sync adapter allowing the RUNNER to inhabit the ROOK for short periods without too much mental degradation. Because they are not SHELLS, each ROOK has only a small set of kit-bashed ABILITIES and fully lack the functionality to be upgraded via IMPLANTS and CORES. Though some variety of standard system upgrading can be achieved, a ROOK will never match the full complement of ABILITIES, comfort, and general utility inherent in more advanced bio-cybernetic SHELLS.

[sage lark]

in your round about way saying slurs about these shells should be fine cuz they are just shells

[keen plank]

Yep. I like how his personality is very affable compared to the rest.

I wish the Destroyer’s VA had more history. He did a great job.

[visual lynx]

nobody but maybe Saki actually cares what race or ethincity the Triage shell is modeled after

but Saki think their face looks like a monkey

their face actually looks like plenty of real human faces

so Saki implicitly thinks real humans with such facial features look like monkeys

and that's racist

[keen plank]

Wasn’t it simply a dumb joke phrased very poorly? We don’t need to dig too much into it or spark drama.

[visual lynx]

-# unless they're making the joke I was about how all humans are technically monkeys, cladistically speaking, but they're obviously not doing that

[sage lark]

how is triage evolved from monkey because look at his face

you dont need to dig into it

its right in your face

this isnt fake outrage

[random sentinel]

idc guys think whatever u want in muslim so yh thi i been warned u all feagile

[keen plank]

What?

[lunar cove]

yh thi i been warned u all feagile

[sage lark]

its fine cuz they are muslim apparently and we are fragile for reporting

[unreal slate]

It's probably just ragebait anyway, I'm in favor of reporting or whatever and moving on so chat doesn't continue to be disrupted

[visual lynx]

the report was received and their messages were deleted

[west trout]

Re: Thief's appearance - default one is based as you say, the White Rabbit skin is a custom design for a runner that goes by that handle (ID'd in the ARG and the teaser trailer from way back) so we know it's possible to have non-standard Shell appearances canonically, not just as a cosmetic thing for players.

[keen plank]

Groovy. Anyway…

[keen plank]

She’s super unique from a background story perspective.

Only Assassin is more so.

There’s four UESC associated shells right?

Destroyer
Recon
Sentinel
(Arguably) Rook
Triage (made in collaboration with SekGen, Traxus, and the UESC)

Any I’m missing?

I know Vandal is associated more with MIDA. Not sure where Triage comes from.

[sage lark]

Triage is a Traxus shell used in mining operations where theres a lot of hazards so the miners can keep functioning during these conditions

HISTORY: TRIAGE SHELLS were first developed by TRAXUS in support of their Martian mining interests. As SHELL-based workers became the norm, TRAXUS needed a means to keep their workers functioning despite high turnover due to the hazardous conditions. The TRIAGE suite of SHELL ABILITIES started as the answer to those concerns. Developed fully in concert with the UESC and SEKGEN, the TRIAGE SHELL became a target of RUNNER interests shortly before they made their official debut.

[keen plank]

Ahhhh, nice context. Thanks.

I like how it was collaborative.

[visual lynx]

oh of course they make the brotha work in the mines

[pliant elm]

Well the original concept was without classes so this is just some small adaptation to the game design. I don't particularly like when its written this way.

Story should have been written before.

[keen plank]

I like the explicit detail that Traxus uses many shells for labor. I assumed SekGen did that, but it really is a much wider practice.

[pliant elm]

They changed into hero classes once they fired the old CEO.

[keen plank]

Marathon went through at least two major redesigns. I’m just glad the end product delivered.

Seems like their goal is to steadily work in old ideas they didn’t had time for as well. I look forward to increased personalization.

[earnest hatch]

Game director, not CEO. The former game director got fired.

[eternal shell]

triage needs a hat

[keen plank]

They all do. Where are the TF2 style hats dangnabbit!

[earnest hatch]

Triage and Assassin look too much like Rook. I’d want them to wear hats for that reason alone.

[latent python]

Oh jeez I'm glad I missed whatever that was

New question: do UESC robots have a sick fascination with knocking me off of that tall platform exfil in Perimeter North Relay?

[keen plank]

I’m sure there’s multiple story reasons for it.

[latent python]

Cerberus playing with its food

[twin trout]

they're reliving their cabal phalanx legionnaire days

[distant palm]

That Time I (Taken Phalanx) Was Reincarnated As a UESC Soldier

[keen plank]

It’s funny when you can easily tell certain reused animations.

Imagine a Destroyer who could shield knock back with a blast of non damaging energy.

…I want it.

[latent python]

There has to be a whole bunch of isekai light novels circulating the runner net

[west trout]

DENY HEIGHT

[latent python]

You know, I was half expecting the automod to block "isekai"

[distant palm]

Having ONI read me Isekai novels as my bedtime story before my digitized consciousness shuts down for the night

[latent python]

Except they're stories where truck-kun hits a runner and they wake up as a 21st century office worker

[queen kraken]

also laced through with CyAc ad reads

[twin trout]

that time I got reincarnated as a door opening super ai

[latent python]

Someone needs to do fanart of that vehicle from the Mielgo short as truck-kun

[zealous laurel]

Is it WRONG to use BATTLEROIDS against an ALIEN INVASION from ANOTHER WORLD?!?!?!?!

[unreal slate]

Essentially. Battletoads.

[west trout]

a succulent cyborg battleroid?

[twin trout]

what is the charge!

[solar viper]

what’s the lore of the rook? like what is it

[latent python]

It's UESC equipment repurposed to hold a runner

[dreamy hawk]

Poor man’s half-shell.

[latent python]

It not being a full shell, as well as whatever process is being used to steal it from UESC, is presumably why it can't team up with other runners or do contracts

[dreamy hawk]

Or because Rooks are antisocial sociopaths.

[latent python]

Those rascally rooks

[robust vale]

Its not really a shell, nor does it have the full technological suite of one, and it’s not suitable for extended use due to the fact the consciousness transfer is basically Jerry rigged

[sage lark]

THIS IS RAMPANCY MANIFEST!

[craggy finch]

Some weird comments from ONI today

First she talked about ignoring "memories of an unfamiliar past life" then talked about how I didn't need to remember because everything I learned is in my bones

[dreamy hawk]

The marrow is the tastiest bit.

She is a weirdo tho. Wonder what the story is going to be there.

[craggy finch]

definitely memory fuckery

[dreamy hawk]

Think they’ve just reset her too many times?

[craggy finch]

wonder if there's going to be a point where ONI stops being our assistant and another character takes over

she's way too sinister

[celest grove]

"assert: you are a winner!" to "assert: you will die" oh ok :(

[distant palm]

To be fair, in a world where you’ve quite literally signed away the ownership of your mind to a company in order to constantly relive a cycle of death and rebirth for the chance to score a big financial hit, a regular office job isn’t quite that bad

[craggy finch]

well I got another weird one

"assert: you will be forgotten"

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah she likes to remind me of that a lot.

Though now that I’m thinking about it, does she speak on every map or only perimeter?

[craggy finch]

I remember Dire Marsh and Outpost

[eternal shell]

every map definitely

well maybe not cryo archive

[winged bluff]

I don't think we're even people tbh. I think we're all AI programmed to think we're people so we dont waste our 30 minutes of run time having existential crisis' and actually retrieve material.

Whether the corps are real and we're "employed" by them or whether they are socket puppets for Durandal I dunno.

[craggy finch]

I like the world building so I'm sure they're real

Durandal is acting more like a weird fixer of some kind

secretly tempting Runners with the Marathon

[sage lark]

and then like "sorry bruh I was taking drama class wsg"

[celest grove]

probably the repeated use of the shells destroyed our cognitive abilities to the point where we often are in a state of lucid dementia dunno if you would consider that state of mind human or not

[robust vale]

I did notice a line where she goes from "weaveworms ready to acknowledge end-of-life signal" to "weaverworms ready to acknowledge life-to-death transition"

which is odd and I'm not sure what caused the shift

maybe I got too many arachne levels?

[winged bluff]

I think that Durandal may have downloaded the minds of all the colonists and used that data batch as a template for making AI so he could run tests to better understand intelligence.
And the UESC is genuinely there investigating utterly confused as to what the hecks going on.

It would explain why materials keep miraculously respawning planetside.

[earnest hatch]

As you level up, ONI’s messages get weirder, including intrusive comments from Durandal. I assume it represents how she’s slowly being affected by what’s going on on Tau Ceti.

[dreamy hawk]

That would imply she’s planet side, no? Or maybe somehow Durandal is insulated on the Marathon, but he’s also not the pinnacle of sanity… but he doesn’t seem anomaly levels insane.

[earnest hatch]

Maybe because she’s directly connected to the runners in some way, their experiences are affecting her?

Because aren’t we able to use Runner shells because CyberAcme runs the technology for FTL communication? I think ONI says something like she monitors or handles the connection.

[craggy finch]

I think she's in your brain

as in every Runner has their own personal ONI

[robust vale]

oni is in our shells

Onboard Navigational Intelligence

mandatory in all runners backed up by CyberAcme

[unreal slate]

Maybe she's a hallucination from drinking burgers for so long

[robust vale]

she's not a CyAc agent on their backend, she's our link to CyAc

[bleak canyon]

Interesting thing is we've only accessed a small, cyrogenically frozen area of the Marathon, the halo type enemies, phor or whatever wouldnt be there. So much more Bungie is probably gonna do with the game, excited

[craggy finch]

and just got a Durandal hijack

[sage lark]

Halo type enemies 😭

[craggy finch]

well Pfhor basically became the Covenant

[bleak canyon]

should i have said convenent? XD

[craggy finch]

I'm looking forward to Reach Elite tier Pfhor enemies

[sage lark]

The Covenant is based off the Pfhor

Much of Halo has basis in Marathon

[earnest hatch]

I can imagine some Pfhor being locked away in stasis in some part of the Marathon. Then we do something that accidentally releases them.

[sage lark]

Idk we will see

[craggy finch]

maybe to the extent of being experimented on

then again, Durandal made a point to kill all of the Pfhor on board the Boomer and jettison their corpses

[silk whale]

I mean I still feel pretty certain they're planning to have additional planets / "systems" added to the game at some point. Just based on how the zone select screen is organized, how it says "System: Tau Ceti" over the column of available maps, and how that column is all the way on the hard left edge of the screen, with space for additional system columns.

That could easily open up interactions with the Pfhor without having to stress over "how are they still at Tau Ceti or still aboard the Marathon."

[craggy finch]

I'd like to have a whole new set of Pfhor

an entire Battle Group maybe

it should be something that could take on the UESC in orbit

and disposable enough to act as PvE enemies

[sudden pollen]

Entirely possible

[keen plank]

I think it’s important to remember Cryo Archive is only one deck of the Marathon. And now IDurandal has access to the other decks because of us.

I want to see the bridge, engineering, and SCIE/medical. Assuming the 2026 version has it. What would be amazing is if they redesign areas from the original game. But I’m skeptical on that front.

[brazen flume]

Bingus

[keen plank]

One day we’ll know what they are.

I’m hoping it’s Thothrandel’s avatar. Cats fit him pretty well.

[latent python]

I want the lava pits

[keen plank]

Me too.

Introducing: Engines and Engineering MAGMA ARCHIVE!

[earnest hatch]

I think G4 sunbathing would be a good area to remake. You have these giant open arenas and you could put different vehicles and drop ships on them for cover. Then these arenas are surrounded by narrow, claustrophobic hallways. I think it would fit the combat design really well.

[keen plank]

I like your thinking. The very end of Cryo Archive after you kill the compiler is a good example of what it could look like too.

Imagine a deck that’s like Dire Marsh, being very flat but nuanced with verticality and long sight lines. Sounds like a good time.

[earnest hatch]

Hell yeah!

[latent python]

I want Boarding Action 2

[austere elk]

where is the 'schlocky 70s action movie archive' on the marathon

[dreamy hawk]

Only if there’s lava.

I want lava lol.

[eternal shell]

try again would be awesome to run around in

(it has so much lava)

[lunar cove]

They should make a marathon map where you're in a box canyon with an octagonal base structure on either end, with vaguely symmetrical vehicle and loot placements on the bases, and more powerful weapons around the central map edges

[dreamy hawk]

What a Caboose thing to suggest.

[robust vale]

are they gonna put a church in there somewhere

[tall skiff]

i hope we get an anomaly map with physically illegal architecture

[eternal shell]

i hope so too, og marathon had it and didnt really utilize it that much

funny how it was just kinda there as early as the fourth level

[west trout]

According to Orion (corrected from Durandal), the deck is just "Cryo Deck". The Cryo Archive specifically is located where we find "vault 7" and the S'Pht.
/Pedant (and incorrectly so too!) (sorry)

[turbid nebula]

That's the DNA Network, isn't it

[keen plank]

Nah. Thanks for the context. Makes a lot more sense too.

Does that mean we only saw a big part of the broader deck?

[robust vale]

yes

there were thousands of people on the marathon, I don't think we've seen the broader storage parts for all the cryopods or the maintenance areas

we saw like

the active part of the cryo deck

the command area, unfreezing, and the basically management desks for the bigger storage and cargo areas

[west trout]

In typical fashion, I went looking for where he refers to it this way to share, and have yet to find it, while finding him referencing the larger area as Cryo Archive instead. I need to not trust my brain as much xD

Ah, it's Orion that refers to it as Cryo Deck. I knew I wasn't completely insane

[lunar cove]

Just over 30,000 crew+passengers

[robust vale]

yeah there's rows upon rows of pods we don't see

[lunar cove]

Plus you can find cryo sleeves for like cows and stuff

[robust vale]

the cows, the fish, presumably they did something similar for plants and such to keep them safe

[lunar cove]

So cold storage not just for ~30,000 people but for the livestock and seeds of a mid-sized farming/factory town

[west trout]

right, proper re-read done; Cryo Deck is the full deck. Cryo Archive is the area the level takes place in. Cryo VAULT are the specific vaults, including the one where the S'Pht is found. Apologies!

at least one other part of Cryo Deck is listed in Orion's report: Cryo Processing. Not sure if that part is in the map?

[robust vale]

yeah there's the part called processing presumably

wait hmm I may be stupid

I was thinking of preservation oops

[west linden]

Anyone you guys like for marathon lore videos? I hate looking up marathon and seeing chuds just talking about the games sales since they're all just view hungry / gormless freaks lmao

Mandalore's reviews had great insite to lore, and Byf is fun but I'm not usually here to hear someone role play in a vid for lore

[dreamy hawk]

Hidden Experia.

[lunar cove]

Saw a tweet from someone who changed their username to "UESC-Recruit" so that when they get pinged nobody suspects them

[dreamy hawk]

Also to the above, of the thousands aboard, only ~300 were actually in cryo. The overwhelming majority of folks got to live and die on the Marathon as BoBs.

[jade wagon]

lmao

[lunar cove]

Absolutely devastating tech against non-mic users

[twin trout]

this necessitates them using grey shields all of the time though <w<

[lunar cove]

Changing my username to Hauler

"xX_sm0k3tr33s_Xx pinged Hauler"

"Buddy our contracts are all in North Relay" type shit

[earnest hatch]

Changing my name to Unstable Biomass.

[lunar cove]

Wait this would work

[kind vector]

Dude I've been reading up on the lore, MIDA is the ONLY acceptable option to align yourself with this is INSANE!!!!!

Except for arachne they're pretty chill they kill traxus execs sometimes

[bleak canyon]

what did u find out?

[dreamy hawk]

Me thinks you’ve missed some MIDA lore. 💀

[kind vector]

Cyberacme gives impoverished people heroin implants

[lunar cove]

Mida Haters will be like "voting? That pales in comparison to my strategy, breaking 20 windows" and then not break any windows

[bleak canyon]

sounds normal

[kind vector]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnantpaperclip-freaky-clippy-mpreg-gif-17996009734154919274

[lunar cove]

I'm not clicking that url

[dreamy hawk]

MIDA, as it was known, was a popular political party until the failed coup of 2321, when their popularity suffered during their short rule. MIDA gained control of Mars for only three months, but their rule was ruthless and cruel. The MIDA death squads killed anyone who they suspected of being loyal to the UEG. Although accurate census data is not available for that period, it is estimated that about ten percent of the population was killed.

MIDA: We are anti authoritarian freedom fighters who fight the is it ions that exploit us and kill the citizenry!
MIDA (but with Power): We are actually fascists who believe in ideological purity above all else and will grind anyone and everyone that doesn’t agree with us into the ground and make you miss the UESC.

10% of the populace in three months 💀

[twin trout]

information given to us by orion

[dreamy hawk]

That’s ^ from the OG games. But Orion is also pro torture so don’t trust a word he says, either.

[twin trout]

hmmm fair enough then

[kind vector]

This is more acceptable to me than living in marathon world conditions

I dont think you understand how bad it is

[twin trout]

but yea mida stinks too but I like them more than everyone else

something something desperation leads to dark paths

[sinful fable]

Question there ain’t any mods for marathon story in the original? Like voiced terminals

In my age I don’t think I can do it but I need more lore

Else what’s the best lore keeper video on it

[remote magnet]

Liking them is fair. But they are NOT morally better. Especially the NeoMida we are dealing with in the game, they even lost the pro-freedom agenda they once had, they are just violent for it's own sake.

[dreamy hawk]

I do. I’d argue you’re downplaying how ineffective and generally awful MIDA also is. There isn’t a single “good” or “ethical” organization in this universe.

[twin trout]

mhm I know :3

it's a 40k situation, it's picking your favorite flavour of evil

[remote magnet]

Plus they had some of the buggiest contracts, at least to me. Revolution will die on the vine in my game

[dreamy hawk]

I’m not sure exactly what all this has, but a lot: https://eternal.bungie.org/

I need to explore Eternal this weekend.

[dreamy hawk]

No argument there.

[kind vector]

Yeah they're pretty shit at their job, but the only organization based around people's liberation in a world where every single aspect of life is devoted towards making corporations money, no exceptions? I'm choosing them every time

[dreamy hawk]

I will give them credit for also trying to keep the populace informed. Is it RUN/HIDE I’m thinking of?

But also their idea of “liberation” is smashing windows and graffiti but now I’m being difficult.

[latent python]

Burger flavored

[remote magnet]

The problem is, they lost the liberation angle some time ago. At some point Mars was offered independence sincerely enough that MIDAs top brass actually considered ot and sat down on the table. The younger, more violent members felt betrayed and split of to continue to cause havoc. Those are the ones that we are dealing with in game. They completely abandoned the freedom fighter angle (except for PR) and are purely terrorists now.

[twin trout]

they felt betrayed because the older members became corporate puppets and didn't end up changing anything

[kind vector]

Realistically I dont think you can tell me you wouldn't want to be incredibly violent toawrds UESC and corps in this setting

[dreamy hawk]

Violence in of itself isn’t a solution, though. MIDA is like a toddler lashing out; they’re not making anything better for anyone, just providing an outlet for distraction.

[peak halo]

The writing in this game is generally very strong but it does get tiring after a while. 99% of the codex entries are "uh oh something spooky is happening...I wonder what could be causing it...."

[dreamy hawk]

I wouldn’t be surprised that the UESC is even pulling some of the string behind MIDA as a sort of false flag; they’ve done it before to other organizations.

MIDA is exactly the kind of ineffectual group I’d be backing if I were the UESC. Your enemies reveal themselves and accomplish nothing.

[remote magnet]

90% of the spooky things happening is just the cybercats knocking things of shelves, telling you now

[kind vector]

true

[earnest hatch]

History is written by the victors. The source for that 10% figure is still the UESC in the original games.

[dreamy hawk]

Can you point to a source for this? I’ve heard it but don’t know where to read it. Is it from the ARG?

[twin trout]

yea it's from the arg

the pre-launch one

[remote magnet]

Yes, only heard it as well, it's from the Arg

[dreamy hawk]

I’d accept that, but then I’ll challenge you to find an example where MIDA has provided a measurable improvement in conditions for anyone. You can chalk it all up as UESC propaganda but MIDA has shown it can hack into their messaging. What wins have they claimed?

[earnest hatch]

I don’t know enough of the lore to say. I will say that when you have no real power, simply surviving and getting your voice out is basically a win.

[remote magnet]

They pissed of orion, and he's a jerk. That's something.
Well. They made you piss him off.
Hmm.

[lunar cove]

Mida are bad people who did bad things but their existence is only possible because the UESC were being shitty to Mars. People with 3 meals a day don't start revolutions.

[remote magnet]

Yes

Bering couter MIDA doesn't mean beeing pro UESC. They are both bad options. That's why the setting is dystopian.

Only Sekiguchi is unambiguously good, and not creepy or insidious at all

[twin trout]

account based in SekiGuchi labs

x3

[remote magnet]

What beeing ~~infected ~~ bonded with an untested parasite symbiote is obviously the only sane and healthy way into the future of our species ❤️ ❤️

[twin trout]

clearly you don't drink chem grenades

then you'd know doing so is the only path forward

rampant vandalism and biochemical weapon consumption

duh

[zealous laurel]

Yes, because as we all know, Sekiguchi builds your hab units, assembles your vehicles, and ensures your cheeseburgers are always drinkable.

[remote magnet]

Jokes aside, I think NuCal is morally the best faction. Not without shady sides or agendas obviously, but still.

Case in point

[latent python]

I chose it because it's the faction I immediately got the vibes of

[sudden pollen]

Yum yum toxic chemical in my tum tum 😋

my nucaloric burger suplemented by Gaius chemical grenades

mmm...... it's almost enough to drive a colonist insane 👁️

Thosewho know

[zealous laurel]

Yeah I mean it's hard for the humanist in me to not be like "well at least NuCaloric is making food and habitation available. At a fair price? For everyone? Who knows!"

[zealous laurel]

Guards! This individual is not DRINKING their cheeseburger! Seize them!

[latent python]

Humanism: At A Price would be a good slogan

[twin trout]

tastes like food. isn't.

[sudden pollen]

Tastes like isn't. Food.

[remote magnet]

But you see, where SekGen takes us we won't need shelter, or food, or medicine. Be comfortable in the blazing sun, in torrential rain or even hard vacuum ! Sail through space on the solar winds, on wings woven by Sekiguchi Genetics WEAVEWorms. Eat the Sun! Eat the Sun!!! Transcend everything you ever thought Humanity could be! Sekiguchi. Weaving the future, one step at a time. Eat the Sun!!!

[robust vale]

Shoutout to the time I hit the Asian grocery and they had some mystery bread product there where the ingredient list included “food flavor”

[sudden pollen]

🤯

[robust vale]

NuCal core

[lunar cove]

I went to an asian grocery store once and they had a full chicken on one of those styrofoam meat trays labeled "old chicken" for $1.99, which I chose not to buy

[robust vale]

Good call

[lunar cove]

I bought some imitation crab though it was real good

[robust vale]

Said bread was like a few inches long at most, super light, like a serving you’d give to one person for a snack, it was a bun, but was allegedly 1200 calories

[dusk saffron]

Is reaching metastability the same as becoming neurotypical?

[robust vale]

Like it was a convinient store snack bun and allegedly 1200 calories

[latent python]

As long as it's not imitation old crab

[twin trout]

escape will make me able to pick up social cues

[lunar cove]

That was an Elvish grocery you were eating Lembas bread

[dusk saffron]

How could you say something so brave and yet so profound

[lunar cove]

You were in Lothlorien bro

[twin trout]

it's easy, I don't think at all

I become vessel to some greater, terrible intelligence

[remote magnet]

PROPABLY meant the animal was old when it died. Propably

[latent python]

I also have terrible intelligence

[twin trout]

the malignity of the stars guides my words

at the cost of various debilitating attributes that make me incompatible with society </3

[lunar cove]

I'm not neurodivergent I swear, I just have very strong opinions on age of sail warships and rail infrastructure

[remote magnet]

One of us! One of us!

[twin trout]

if I were neurodivergent could I do THIS misinterprets someone

[lunar cove]

I fuck with Razée frigates fr fr

[remote magnet]

Okay, that's concerning. Splinters?

[lunar cove]

Listen I'm just saying it would make sense to have like, a high speed rail line that goes from Atlanta to Montreal

[earnest hatch]

That in no way is true if you read through the lore.

[twin trout]

public transport goog :3

cars #suck

[copper hinge]

Nucal is evil but in the modern corporation sense and not the super facist death squad sense

[remote magnet]

What did they do?

[lunar cove]

And I think it's pretty clear that the HMS Captain was always going to be a catastrophic design, what were they thinking

NuCal be like "as a result of budget cuts, Soylent Green is being switched to Soylent Grey, and will contain 50% less people"

[twin trout]

wouldn't it be 50% more if it's a result of budget cuts <w<

[remote magnet]

But I love people! I'm a people person!! 🥺

[jade wagon]

NuCal is like the United Fruit Company in space.

[lunar cove]

They can't afford it so they're moving to a plant-based people substitute that's only 15% more poisonous

[copper hinge]

the people is being replaced with cheaper puppy and kitten alternatives

[twin trout]

I love poisons :D

[twin trout]

🤤

[copper hinge]

Exactly, still evil but I think you could argue less evil than like, cyac or traxus

[twin trout]

poison focused shell when

[remote magnet]

And I love puppy's and kittens! Sounds like an absolute win to me

[copper hinge]

Also what evil shit has sekiguchi done

[twin trout]

I want to watch someone slowly rot until they die :3

chem grenades are my only recourse thusfar

sigh

[copper hinge]

I am unaware they just seem like mad scientists so my only assumtion is human testing and such

[earnest hatch]

Literally just unlocked the codex entry for UESC and Nucal Contract. This contract overrides any rights or self governance the colonists might give themselves. "Neither UESC nor NUCAL shall recognize any independent rights, politicial authority, or property claims of said colonists". Also "all physical goods... supplied wholly by NUCAL... shall be considered the sovereign property of NUCAL leased to colonial subjects". So all the food and medicine they're giving the colonists is a rental that the colonists have to pay back while having no actual rights.

[remote magnet]

They are more creepy and amoral then straight up evil. They are the " For science!! " faction.

[zealous laurel]

And also Monsanto can't forget Monsanto

[jade wagon]

Different evils. NuCal is an agricultural monopoly, CyAc is Spyware 9000, and Traxus is like a mega arms dealer that also deals in everything else

[twin trout]

yeas, they evil :3

[earnest hatch]

Yes. They're all evil.

[twin trout]

I think every corp dabbles in debt slavery x3

[copper hinge]

cyac does like, false flags and shit too, so I see them as spyware+cia

[jade wagon]

Less explicitly "hehehe evil and monopolies" and more "hehehe runners are our contractually obligated test subjects for Science"

[twin trout]

they also made that one ai that one time

[twin trout]

traxus did I mean

[copper hinge]

Cyac is the most evil in my eyes though

[remote magnet]

How so? That's some steep competition

[twin trout]

any organisation with the money sekgen has to do what it does HAS to have rather a few skeletons in their closet x3

[jade wagon]

CyAc is arguably the most insidious, though the least hostile (for now). They effectively have ownership over runner consciousness, while also running UESC software

[dreamy hawk]

They’re all evil. It’s just different flavors of exploitation.

[twin trout]

I sincerely doubt all of sekgen's evils are limited to runners <w<

[dreamy hawk]

They probably built the Battleroids.

[remote magnet]

The skeletons aren't in the closet, they are on display, for sale

[dreamy hawk]

Also.

[jade wagon]

Oh for sure. But for now, their goals are focused on unethical Shell testing rather than larger power plays against say the UESC

[twin trout]

those are my thoughts too

[twin trout]

that we #know of :3

I hope future mida quests allow us to unveil more dirt :3

[jade wagon]

Yeah that's why i specified "for now"
My guess is they will become more hostile to the UESC next season, to acquire alien materials like the Compiler organs

[twin trout]

speaking of mida, do you think charter may have been an ex mida runner

considering he killed a traxus ceo

or higher up

whatever the term was

[copper hinge]

Arms dealing and Dole-style evil agricultural monopolies are bad but Cyac is essentially a slave corporation that creates addiction implants that keep people in poverty while working extremely dangerous conditions, while also going to violent extremes in order to keep control of their cheap labor base (on top of their core concept that personal privacy does not exist)

[remote magnet]

We had to sell our soul to both SekGen and CyAc. SekGen just hasn't come to collect yet.

[copper hinge]

Cyac seems like the foundation that allows corporations like traxus and nucal to exist

[dreamy hawk]

Arguing which corporation or entity in marathon is “best” or the most “good” feels like debating which genoc*de (I dunno if the filter will get me) was the most humane.

[twin trout]

yeas

they all #stink in the bad way

[remote magnet]

Yeah, but they give 2 months free cloud storage my man

[distant palm]

The most moral entity in Marton is Bingus. Discussion over

[twin trout]

cro didn't read the fine print (he now owes them 5% of his consciousness)

[jade wagon]

Oh for sure. They're all morally dubious at best. IMO the better question is which one you vibe with the most

[lunar cove]

My job in Marathon is to waste as much corpo money as possible pitting them against each other

[jade wagon]

or which one's color palette you like most

[dreamy hawk]

This is where I’m at. 😂 I hate all of them and will not endorse any. But that’s also why I love the story and universe.

[distant palm]

This is why NuCaloric wins

[dreamy hawk]

MIDA, come now.

[lunar cove]

Grabbing that free green shield from Nucal and then hopping into perimeter to shoot a guy trying to do a NuCal contract. Fuck your bottom line I'm just here to grill

[copper hinge]

Nucal is one of the few times I REALLY fuck with the pink

[remote magnet]

I'm split between NuCal and SekGen, but the faction quizz sayed SekGen. So here iam

[jade wagon]

NuCal may have privatized agriculture but the white and pink goes so hard

[distant palm]

Give me magenta or give me death

[lunar cove]

NuCal marketing department went crazy

[dreamy hawk]

I still can’t get over their silos on Dire Marsh being massive pills. 💊

[lunar cove]

"Essentially. Everywhere." Hold up, this writing is fire?

[distant palm]

Oh yeah this too

[latent python]

Or perhaps arguing how powerful compilers should be

[copper hinge]

gotta clock in at my nucal shift and put the potato free low fat french fry alternative in the shareable cup

[jade wagon]

Unironically their's is so cool and striking. 2nd favorite is probably Traxus bcz Vulcan has incredible aura

[dreamy hawk]

I’ll give some ground there because that Compiler in cryo is jacked and I want to know why.

[copper hinge]

he's been locked up for ages gettin shredded

[distant palm]

Literally every scene Vulcan has is just her aura farming it’s actually insane

[copper hinge]

its like when scrawny guys go to prison

[twin trout]

see this is the way to go about it, people should be curious not "this is different I hate it"

[lunar cove]

Fun fact there's a Canadian NuCaloric it's called No Name and the product design is fire

[dreamy hawk]

I’m more thinking that new* exoskeleton/armor it’s rocking.

*Could just be a new design and not actually something.

[jade wagon]

Personally Traxus isn't a fav faction but goddamn Vulcan is cool

[lunar cove]

It's just yellow packaging with bold, lowercase black text that says stuff like "Beer, for drinking"

"Shirt, for wearing"

[dreamy hawk]

I think it’s probably a free S’pht that’s gotten some S’pht’kr upgrades.

[distant palm]

Charter is a close second in terms of sheer aura

[dreamy hawk]

See I’d give Charter all of the style points.

And Orion wins the Big Daddy award. 😏

[distant palm]

Woah

[jade wagon]

Also implies how technologically inferior Shells are to the Mjolnir series

[dreamy hawk]

Tissue paper vs a rod from god.

[distant palm]

Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[jade wagon]

EXACTLY. Shells are mass-produced, expendable mercenaries

[lunar cove]

Shells are machines trying to emulate the performance of a human. Battleroids are machines trying to emulate the performance of a small army

[copper hinge]

and our guns are too, which is something to note. Its all 3d printed slop

wait how good is the compiler weapon against the actual compiler

[distant palm]

I’m told it can 2-phase it

[dreamy hawk]

I want one so bad 😭

[distant palm]

Start compiling

[dreamy hawk]

Instructions unclear. Ran to control and immediately died.

[copper hinge]

I wanna compile but I only have two keys done and am flat broke

[jade wagon]

Don't forget to pace yourself.

After all it's not a sprint... it's a

[copper hinge]

walk to control and then die

[jade wagon]

https://helios-i.mashable.com/imagery/articles/06aq78ihBvTusdt8RBhfXjk/images-1.fit_lim.size_2560x1440.v1618932767.png

[distant palm]

Moderately Paced Jog

Bungie’s new hit FPS

[remote magnet]

The things you get from the vaults unlock codex entries, and those unlock vault 7. Codex doesn't reset. You don't have to unlock the compiler in one season.

[distant palm]

I wish I could compile but lowkey I’ve had no time to put hours into this game so lowkey I’m still getting the like beginner priority contracts done

Oh. I used lowkey twice without realizing

The effects of brainrot

[remote magnet]

Lowkey yes

[clear chasm]

Is there any lore to be gained by playing Destiny?

Or is it just references and Easter eggs

[distant palm]

iirc no? D2 does have a Marathon crossover in the form of MIDA Multitool but I doubt it’s substantial

[remote magnet]

There's the MIDA multitool, an exotic weapon that jumped dimensions into the destiny universe. That's about it.

[clear chasm]

Ok thnx. Interesting

[distant palm]

It would be really funny if Bungie just ported Multitool into Marathon from Destiny. Perks and all

[clear chasm]

As someone who hasn't played Destiny, what does that mean?

[copper hinge]

i'm so behind on contracts but my pvp addiction keeps my vault full and every time I want to do contracts cryo calls to me like the green goblin mask

[remote magnet]

Speaking off, it's loretab says that it was build by an AI that is responsible for killing 10% of Mars population. Does this imply that MIDAs purge wad carried out by gantry?

[clear chasm]

Do I bring up the multi-tool as a weapon?/gadget

[distant palm]

Well Gantry isn’t an AI iirc so no

[distant palm]

It’s an exotic weapon (meaning it has unique perks that no other weapon has)

[drifting garnet]

…..

“Runner, you’re under arrest for violation of UESC laws! Your punishment will be-“

“Mm, yes, punish me daddy Orion!”

“…what?”

“What?”

[distant palm]

I forgot how you unlocked it pre-Beyond Light but I think it’s just in the exotic vendor thing now

[distant palm]

This Runner right here, Charter

[remote magnet]

Weapon was just one of its applications. It was build by an AI that wanted it to do EVERYTHING! What where it's other mentioned uses again? I just remember hacking tool and floatation device

[distant palm]

I think in the lore tab it was able to melt glacier ice and then dispense a sanitation tablet to make the melted water drinkable

Speaking of which does the Minitool also have its own lore tab? Or just the Multitool

[proven copper]

The bully SMG is the mini tool to me. Both are basically laser pointers

[distant palm]

(D2 weapon perks are like Marathon weapon mods except theyre built into the gun. On non-Exotics theyre randomized but on Exotics theyre usually set in stone)

[dreamy hawk]

Or you can play Halo to see the Marathon symbol on the Pillar of Autumn.

[remote magnet]

I haven't played any Halo, so I'm clueless

But all of bungies games are loosely connected through the paraverse

[lunar cove]

You should play the Halos if you can find them cheap

[hidden geyser]

you can get 2 MIDA guns in destiny through some parallel timeline shittery so yea

[lunar cove]

They're not that long and they hold up fairly well compared to many of their contemporaries

[sudden pollen]

Cool

[dreamy hawk]

Bungie likes to reference their past works, a lot, and has a general fondness for certain themes and tropes.

Master Chief wore Mjolner armor. The security officer was a Mjolner cyborg.

ONI was one of their earlier games, ONI is in Halo and Marathon.

The MIDA multitool as referenced above comes from marathon.

So many, many more examples.

[sudden pollen]

Swag

[lunar cove]

The Arbiter's middle name is Bingus

[robust vale]

Okay so

If the Marathon was built into Deimos

But Deimos isn’t legally a moon

And the Marathon’s haunted

Is it still a Moon’s Haunted situation

[lunar cove]

Moon's not haunted there's just an alien exercising squatter's rights

[eternal knoll]

moon's even more haunted since they illegitimately declared it not a moon tbh

[dreamy hawk]

Oh it’s just a rock. The Martians need to get over themselves.

[eternal knoll]

recently got the fifth reed personal log

love that he's the one who ends up saying "we stole a moon!"

the total uesc patriot

[sage lark]

I wish we got more audio logs from the contact event

[bleak canyon]

Fun Fact: ☝️ 🤓 Alot of people think the majority of the material that made the Marathon came from Deimos. Since I was there, I can tell you most of it came from the asteroid belt.

[lunar cove]

Damn inners robbing the belt in every timeline

[bleak canyon]

Damn Belters

[sage lark]

Beltalowda

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah, they only took Deimos for resources in transit/arrival.

[sage lark]

Whos excited for the Expanse game

[lunar cove]

Skeptical of Owlcat's AI use policies and the fact that their games generally take a year+ of patches to iron out the kinks

Plus the swap from isometric to 3d

But hoping it'll be good

[eternal shell]

https://i.imgur.com/8WNDnmR.gif

[dreamy hawk]

So excited. So excited.

I know nothin about Owlcat. ELI5?

[keen plank]

Were it so easy…

[dreamy hawk]

Well, tl;dr?

[sage lark]

Good cRPG devs

Pathfinder, Rogutrader

[lunar cove]

Made a bunch of largely well regarded, slightly eurojank CRPGs

[sage lark]

Huge 100+ hour cRPGs

With good stories

[lunar cove]

I would call them up-and-comers with some flaws

[dreamy hawk]

Eurojank?

[sage lark]

Are you familiar with STALKER?

[keen plank]

“We stole a moon. We stole a GOD DAMN moon!” -Reed

[dreamy hawk]

Only in name.

[eternal knoll]

extraction shooters have their roots in the wonderful world of eurojank

[lunar cove]

Eurojank is like when you play an ambitious, interesting game that's kind of shitty but kind of owns because it's reaching for the stars and not quite getting there, but in a (mostly but not always Eastern) European way

[keen plank]

That’s true to an extent. As well as a lot of modern roguelikes such as Binding of Isaac. There’s a great amount of “one more game” feeling in both genres.

[dreamy hawk]

Gotcha.

[lunar cove]

Something that has a lot of heart, a lot of charm, a lot of ambition, and not necessarily a lot of polish (may or may not be Polish though, i.e The Witcher 1 and 2)

[dreamy hawk]

Hailing from an exSoviet state I totally understand. 😂

[lunar cove]

For western Eurojank I'd point to EYE Divine Cybermancy

[keen plank]

That newish documentary about the growing and evolving Polish game scene is super interesting. I think the title is something like “everything is okay.”

Good for them. And shoutout to Lech Walenza.

[sage lark]

Those mfs are high

[eternal knoll]

what a game. i am trapped in the cycles of my guilt

[lunar cove]

They used to make Eurojank in America but they lost the recipes

It got offshored

Peter Jackson's King Kong is Ameri-jank

[keen plank]

Oh no. It’s still there. Jank transcends nationality.

Did you see Redfall?

[lunar cove]

Wait shit that one's french

Redfall isn't Eurojank it's just a disappointment tbh

[bleak canyon]

Redfail, Conblow, Highsuck

[lunar cove]

Dishonored is Eurojank but without the jank it's Europolish or something

[keen plank]

I look forward to Afrojank as the African nations game development industry keeps getting off the ground.

[lunar cove]

Cause Eurojank implies artistic intent and ambition, not soulless corporate meddling

[keen plank]

Arcane has a ton of talent. Despite losing huge amounts from people leaving of it when they were developing Redfall.

Prey is one of my favorite games of all time.

[lunar cove]

Something like idk, F.E.A.R. is Amerijank

Where the game transcends itself and its limitations

Prey 2017 owns

[fiery swallow]

So how do runners get to the marathon and tau ceti? Like where are they coming from?

[lunar cove]

Printed on-site by weaveworms

[eternal knoll]

we're all hoping we get a better answer than "sponsored transport"

[lunar cove]

Teleported from orbit to surface

[fiery swallow]

So the runner maker thingies are on the marathon?

[eternal knoll]

def not

[fiery swallow]

Or is there a new ship we come from

Im not versed at all in the lore

[eternal knoll]

probly

[keen plank]

At least two sources. We were smuggled in via project Goliath in huge numbers via its cargo. As well as some sort of station we don’t know much about yet but see heavily in the very first cinematic.

[eternal knoll]

nah the equanimity is probly not here yet

[dreamy hawk]

Almost certainly not.

[fiery swallow]

The what

[eternal knoll]

its estimated arrival date is next year

[fiery swallow]

So they sent a new ship to the marathon and tau ceti

[dreamy hawk]

UESC Salvage ship on a rescue mission.

[keen plank]

Nah. It’s on its way. Do we know who owns it?

[eternal knoll]

yea. it's only been mentioned indirectly but this is prolly it

[fiery swallow]

So, has anything reached the marathon or tau ceti yet? Im just trying to figure out how we, the runner, got there

[dreamy hawk]

Yes, on the way. Not arrived.

[eternal knoll]

the UESC

[dreamy hawk]

I was replying/agreeing to Spamlet.

[keen plank]

Ah, I assumed it was SekGen or more likely Cyberacmex

[lunar cove]

The UESC and corps have sent a variety of yet unidentified ships and satellites to TC, you're on one of them

[robust vale]

the UESC sent another batch of troops ahead and the corporations sent support ahead; I believe the implication is that ftl travel can't take humans at this point in time, and the Equanamity has actual human crew on it

[dreamy hawk]

20/4/2894 is the arrival date for the Equanimity.

[eternal knoll]

all we have in text are that the runners are arriving via "sponsored transport." most likely it's some kind of printing ship that FTL'd into the system

[keen plank]

Hmmmm.

[fiery swallow]

Out of curiosity, how long did it take those other ships to arrive

[dreamy hawk]

Traxus ARG talks about “United Shipping” routes and how they need to get in on them/find them. Think those are connected.

[fiery swallow]

If the marathon took so long

[dreamy hawk]

300 years for the Marathon, less than 100 for the Equanimity, less than ten for runners.

[lunar cove]

Marathon took 300 years, planned rescue mission was going to take 96-7, runners took like 6?

[fiery swallow]

What makes the equanimity so fast?

[dreamy hawk]

Better technology.

[fiery swallow]

I see

[keen plank]

Project Goliath was, what, 93? At least its first ships.

[lunar cove]

Think of it like going from sailing ships to coal ships crossing the atlantic

[eternal knoll]

recently earth developed FTL tho we speculate that it's not compatible with living humans yet

[lunar cove]

And then FTL is taking a plane

[dreamy hawk]

The Marathon was built ~400 years before the Equanimity left.

FTL isn’t new!

[eternal knoll]

how's dat?

[dreamy hawk]

Humanity had FTL 500? years before the Marathon.

[lunar cove]

Yeah it was released in 2012 on steam

[dreamy hawk]

Jump pads/teleporters.

[lunar cove]

And on ipad in 2014

[eternal knoll]

ok yeh. somewhat different thing tho

i don't think they were ever doing that FTL

er i mean, interstellar

[dreamy hawk]

Grey white decompressing vapor fills the cylindrical passageway of the airlock. Through the degenerating clouds of the airlock passageway, instead of looking upon the Tau Ceti starscape, you see the Tuncer Mirage Effect: space blurring and focusing in diminishing cycles. The TME is commonplace to you, humanity has used teleporters for almost five hundred years, and you yourself have been teleporting since before you were born. But you’ve never seen the TME cover an area so big before, and never at all without a landing pad. And yet another first: a space fighter materializes right in front of your eyes. Since you don’t recognize the model, it must be an Alien ship.

[lunar cove]

Not as different as you think

[dreamy hawk]

It’s not though. It’s the same technology the Pfhor uses.

It’s just not as efficient or as good.

[fiery swallow]

Wait so the runners were basically sent on an overnight shipping service to tau ceti, so that corps could get their hands in it

[dreamy hawk]

More or less, yes.

[fiery swallow]

And who are the runners? What do they stand to gain?

[eternal knoll]

FWIW, the codex for paradigm shift 2/5 contains a UESC soldier reacting to the quarantine protocols by saying they'd better pray "someone on earth cracked FTL"

[dreamy hawk]

And because Runners are digital, they can presumably make fewer, longer FTL jumps.

[eternal knoll]

so i think the kind of tech that got runenrs to tau ceti so fast, faster than the equanimity that launcehd nearly 100 years ago, is some kind of new interstellar ftl travel tech

[fiery swallow]

Is that why theres no uesc humans on tau ceti? They havent arrived yet?

[lunar cove]

Digital copies of a human mind working as indentured servants to the cyberacme corporation who own the rights to your mind

[eternal knoll]

even ftl comms seem quite a bit newer than the colony

[fiery swallow]

So wheres the physical human? Locked away until their debt is paid?

[dreamy hawk]

That I’m not sure of because of Icarus and the fact that they knew the colony went dark right away.

[dreamy hawk]

The body is presumably compost.

[lunar cove]

Unclear, probably dead

[dreamy hawk]

You give up your physical existence to become a runner.

[lunar cove]

For all intents and purposes, whatever shell your mind is wearing at any given time is your core, only body

[fiery swallow]

So, what happens once your debt is paid?

[eternal knoll]

the circumstances around contact being lost are definitely unclear. but there's codexes where ppl explicitly talk about a 12 year comms delay

[dreamy hawk]

Who said you can pay it off?

[earnest hatch]

What makes you think your debt will ever be payed?

[dreamy hawk]

That’s excellent to know, thank you.

[fiery swallow]

Didnt cyberacme say they own you until management sees fit that youre done

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah.

[fiery swallow]

And im guessing thats never

[dreamy hawk]

And they can renegotiate at any time.

They own you.

[lunar cove]

You literally have no rights

[fiery swallow]

But like, logically, are the runners just hoping they can pay it off so they can be dead?

[earnest hatch]

Management will never see fit that you’re done. In the real or in the game world.

[dreamy hawk]

Marathon explores themes of slavery pretty explicitly. Runners get that same privilege.

[lunar cove]

I think they probably just enjoy being semi-immortal/ressurectable in marginally better living circumstances than you'd have on earth or mars

[eternal knoll]

i think it should be treated as pointedly ambiguous whether each individual runner was ever their own real person at all - there's every chance that the consciousness running them is some sort of clone or synth

[fiery swallow]

So runners become runners to pay off debt, and then they work until their brain is finally turned off

[dreamy hawk]

Assuming it was ever voluntary.

[lunar cove]

TCIV has trees, grass, wildlife, wide open spaces, and you only have to spend 25 minutes or less there at any given time getting shot at

[fiery swallow]

So to the runner, youre working to die is what i understand

[dreamy hawk]

There’s nothing precluding a corp kidnapping you and tweaking enough of your memory to think you chose that.

[keen plank]

Wait. Humanity actually has FTL capable ships in Marathon? I thought the long travel times were evidence that they just weren’t there yet.

[dreamy hawk]

Ships not so much, but possibly now.

[eternal knoll]

at least ya get to see the stars, the brutal brutal stars

[fiery swallow]

So were space slaves

Got it

[keen plank]

Like I know Durandal gives humanity warp tech layer on. Specifically missiles.

[dreamy hawk]

More likely FTL for data and small amounts of mass, it seems.

[lunar cove]

I think the implication is that they do have some sort of FTL capable transport, but what that actually includes isn't clear

[fiery swallow]

I need to get caught up on durandal, where can i?

[eternal knoll]

the contract to send runners to tau ceti was signed only seven-ish years ago, so we definitely got there via some form of FTL

[keen plank]

Ah. Now that makes much more sense.

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think there are ships as much as there are relays and transmitters for digitized matter or data itself.

[fiery swallow]

uesc is really just usec with a bigger budget

[eternal knoll]

you'd particularly be looking for the subroutine codex entries and the ones concerning IDEA. and possibly the unknown reveries

[fiery swallow]

And those are all in the new marathon? Not the old ones?

[dreamy hawk]

New.

[fiery swallow]

Does the average runner know literally anything about marathons lore

Okay rad thinks

[keen plank]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re getting close. But it’s incredibly difficult to pull off considering how it is essentially impossible in modern realistic physics.

It’s clear the 300 years between this game and the original series that technology has advanced dramatically.

[fiery swallow]

God damn this game is going to fucking consume my soul isnt it.

[dreamy hawk]

Not a ton of assume. They’re more niche games form the 90s.

[eternal knoll]

i don't think there's any party in the new games that knows everything we as an audience know about the old ones

[fiery swallow]

I meant in game

I see

[eternal knoll]

i don't think any sol party knows that durandal summoned the pfhor, for instance

[dreamy hawk]

Oh then even less. Probably nothing.

[keen plank]

I’m sure some do. But it depends on their level of cognitive degeneration and individual consciousness/care/memory.

[fiery swallow]

Okay i have to clock into the store of doom and despair, but thanks for talking with me :]

Hope to see yall around

[dreamy hawk]

Though they suspect some kind of rampancy bs.

[eternal knoll]

enjoy!

[fiery swallow]

Feel free to send me friend requests if any of yall want to play

[keen plank]

Like here’s the point: we’re figuring what the hell happened alongside the UESC. But most of us just want to get paid.

[keen plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/559861301241970699.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Hang in there. Later Glass.

[fiery swallow]

This is a rare instance where i know nothing about a games lore and get to schizophrenically piece it together, so im extremely excited.

Only other game to do that was elden ring and i no lifed that gsme for a hear lol

👋

[keen plank]

Nice! This setting has decades of lore so there’s a lot to enjoy.

[dreamy hawk]

Hope to see you around here more, then. Have a good shift! 👋

[fiery swallow]

Its a sale day today, were going to get annihilated

[keen plank]

I’ve been there for big box retail. You’re only one man and remember to take care of yourself. You got this.

[latent python]

Stay hydrated and also: break 20 windows

[dreamy hawk]

I celebrate our retail heroes. I haven’t had the pleasure but I am in a public facing job and jfc.

[bleak canyon]

nice ip grabber. not today kiddo

[keen plank]

Drat. Foiled again!

[formal mortar]

I just finished Paradigm Shift 1 and the audio for it is some of the coolest shit I have gotten in a video game in a long long time

[neon viper]

Welcome!

[dreamy hawk]

Happy Friday, Julia! Hope y’all have had a good week! 🙏

[neon viper]

Back at you guys! We're working on the game during the day and playing it live at night. Always a joy to experience it with the people we're making it for.

[tranquil basin]

Holy crap it’s Julia Nardin

[dreamy hawk]

Well thank you for the joy your work brings us! I’m glad to hear the joy is mutual. 😁

[keen plank]

Don’t overwork yourself. Your company hasn’t had a learning experience to this extent since Destiny 1.

[tranquil basin]

The lore in this game is immaculate

I mean the whole game is great you guys cooked

[drifting mulch]

thank you Bungie

[dreamy hawk]

What do we think is Durandal’s favorite day of the week? He gives me Tuesday energy.

[keen plank]

Hmmm.

[zealous laurel]

Thursday, I reckon.

Probably calls it "Friday Eve" once and Strauss chastises him for it.

[keen plank]

Saturday. He likes his free time and having more choice while being able to think, plan, and create things. Or at least brood.

[dreamy hawk]

It’s actually “Friyay Eve,” but close enough.

[drifting mulch]

is Durandal a night owl or an early bird gets the worm type of guy

maybe he likes to go on hikes in the ethereal

[dreamy hawk]

He’s that friend you never are sure when they get their sleep in and it shows.

[keen plank]

He doesn’t care. As long as he gets the freedom and time to do what he wants. He doesn’t need or want to sleep. But he’s very interested in dreams.

[tranquil basin]

Durandal would probably rename a day after himself

Durday

I guess duranday makes more sense but durday sounds more shitposter

[keen plank]

I mean, he did make himself a cheer routine.

[dreamy hawk]

What? 👀

[keen plank]

Oh you’re in for a treat.

[latent python]

Give me a D

[peak halo]

Ryan Lott did an awesome job with the music but I don't necessarily give him credit for the titles of the tracks. Feels like one of the writers took random key phrases and gave one to each track arbitrarily. It's not like there's anything to match thematically.

[keen plank]

Give me a D.
Give me a U.
Give me an R.
Give me an A.
Give me an N.
Give me a D.
Give me an A.
Give me an L.

What does it spell?

Durandal?
No.

Durandal?
No

T-R-O-U-B-L-E.

(This is canon. He wrote it.)

[robust vale]

<> T-Minus 15.193792102158E+9 years until the universe closes!

[dreamy hawk]

Where’s this from?

[robust vale]

Marathon 1 terminal I believe

It ends with the message I just sent

[dreamy hawk]

Ah shit I’m out of time.

[robust vale]

He’s a silly little goober

[dreamy hawk]

Huh I couldn’t find it. Let me look again

[keen plank]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/durendal1.html

[dreamy hawk]

Neither High Nor Low. Found it!

Followed by
`INCOMING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL

You are about to see what no human has ever seen. This is a fact-finding mission. You should explore as much as possible.

Stop in front of a window. If you stop and are not teleported, then either I can't lock onto your teleport beacon, or else I feel you haven't explored the area thoroughly enough.

I will be watching everything.

END MESSAGE

JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START
*TRANSPORT WHEN READY`

Funny Durandal is funny.

There’s a Bender statue in my neighborhood and someone stole his head. I thought yall might be able to appreciate my distress.

[eternal shell]

it's theft so i think bender would approve

[keen plank]

“You wouldn’t steal BENDER’s HEAD!”

‘You wouldn’t.’

[dreamy hawk]

Touché.

But I feel like he’s staunchly against theft of his stuff.

[keen plank]

Sometimes. Depends what mood he’s in.

[visual lynx]

Bender of the Shiny Metal Ass, or Bender of the Breakfast Club?

[dreamy hawk]

Black jack and hookers.

🍺🃏💃

(I apologize to any dancers, it was the best I could think of.)

[stone cosmos]

😬 ✨🪨🫏

Here's this from the Marathon Story Page:

Has anyone noticed the nonsense text strings appearing in many of the terminals? In Aye Mak Sicur there's this one, with my translation of two lines next to it:

^9320wrefkddud
9034thssksbvs -------<This sucks, Beavis
9066hhhthsrls----------<Huhhuhhuh, this rules
0394yh...e.e.
overthought unravel

Are Beavis and Butthead our evil puppet masters? Huh huh.

Cindy

This makes total sense to me! Mjolnerd is fully rampant, and the reanimated corpse of the Pathways Into Darkness protagonist, who was a special forces soldier based in Texas in the 1990s. He's remembering his favorite TV show!

[keen plank]

🤔

Who is Mjolnerd? The Security Officer is implied to be the corpse of the Pathways protagonist. But it’s unclear.

[stone cosmos]

Mjolnerd = MJOLNIR Recon 54 = The Cyborg Security Oficer = John Marathon = my brother Chris whose PowerMac I played it on

I'm not being serious, but I don't see how this couldn't be more foreshadowing.

[orchid cosmos]

New byf vid dropped

Absolute bliss

[eternal shell]

i dont see how there'd be any body left to make a battleroid out of

[quiet granite]

i was gonna say, wasnt pathways produced and set in the 90s? @eternal shell

[eternal shell]

yes

[quiet granite]

thatd mean the pathways protag would have had to be perfectly preserved for like what

200 years just to make it onto the marathon + the 300 year journey

right?

unless my math is off

[tranquil basin]

There are quite a lot of beavis and butthead references in the og marathons

[short palm]

does anyone here know if the song that plays while loading into cryo (and in the background faintly if you have music on) is part of the published ost?

been trying to find it

[keen plank]

Don’t think too much about it. Jaro tech gets super weird.

[short palm]

erm jjaro with two js

[zealous laurel]

No it's spelled Yarrow it's a plant

[fiery swallow]

Thank you !!

Sorry was working

[dreamy hawk]

That’s actually not a bad point. Government could have also preserved him just because of his exposure to the dreaming god for study.

[short palm]

incase anyone was curious i found it, it starts at the 2:15 portion of Escape will make me god from part two of the ost https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cF6Nt56bV8

[sudden pollen]

I LOVE LORE!!!!

[keen plank]

Whenever you get to Jaro or especially W'rkncacnter, it’s best to recognize that they’re inherently alien and don’t even necessarily think like humanity does. Assuming W’rkncacnter can think. They seem more primal.

Pfhor by contrast are just insect-like hierarchy with elements of apes. The higher you go in the chain, the more intelligence and emotional ability Pfhor tend to have.

[inland crypt]

Do the skeletons in PiD say "I got a bone to pick with you "

[indigo eagle]

Is the looking for group chat gone or did I get accidentally booted or something

Sorry for the out of context question in here I just use it often 😭

[unreal slate]

https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1476607292366393467

[visual lynx]

not canonically

[dreamy hawk]

Not all questions need truthful answers.

[keen plank]

Well said.

[drifting garnet]

Imagine those skeletons as the next Marathon raid boss

[earnest hatch]

If half the enemies from PiD got added to Marathon, then the haters would really accuse it of looking like Minecraft.

[deep solar]

Jjaro hanging out with Slicky Willy in PiD

[peak halo]

Guys I have a serious question. Can Destroyer say it?

[high crater]

Nope but Triage can

[deep solar]

Of course he can say Runnah

Gantry gave him the pass

[peak halo]

My headcanon is that Recon is Mexican

[deep solar]

Destroyer is only Brick Shithouse

[warm rampart]

Triage invented the pass, but he can share it to any of his squadmates that have a Med-Drone attached!

[muted grove]

[high crater]

So I have this list
Destroyer: american
Void: italian
Thief: mexican
Triage: african/ Domenican
Vandal: german/ russian
Recon: eurasian
Rook: Londoner🌬️

[earnest hatch]

Bold to suggest Thief is Mexican.

[scenic iron]

I mean you would think that a shell wouldn't have an accent tho. Since it would process the data for the voice to the shell's vocal systems, and that data would be raw information...not an accent

[deep solar]

Assassin: Adam Jensen

[drifting garnet]

looks over Thief and her very Asian features eh?

[warm rampart]

Really it would come down to how much of the runner's consciousness is imprinting on the shell and how much is vice-versa. Accents are a very neuroscientifically complex phenomenon and it would be hard to say that the shells' imprinted personality wouldn't have some impact (if not a large impact) on the accent of the runner speaking through them. My personal lore theory/interpretation is that inhabiting a shell is, to a runner, like being inside someone else's body more than inhabiting a drone or computer, and following that logic the accent would be more the shell's than the runner's.

[scenic iron]

Yeah I thought the Thief was Asian in terms of design

[scenic iron]

Yep it could be because the runner would want the shell to be similar to their OG bodies etc.

But a shell is not set to any one person, and will be different for each host

That does make sense for sure

[deep solar]

It’s kind of like your brain melding with the Shells personality matrix so you don’t completely lose it waking up in a new body

[high crater]

Yeah, I know! Some Latin people can have that eye shape or something similar

[scenic iron]

The Rook on the other hand should be more AI or robot like

[warm rampart]

Definitely, the experience for a runner who was at one point biologically male inhabiting a shell like Thief, for instance, would be jarring to some degree, but that's why the grounding process we see in the trailers takes place for sure. Also most likely why it seemingly doesn't entirely work 100% of the time.

[visual lynx]

Latinos of American Indian ancestry are thereby also of Asian ancestry because American Indians all descend from ancient north Asian peoples.

[scenic iron]

And thinking of shells I wonder what will be the next one. What cool skills will it have

[drifting garnet]

Otherwise, based on Thief being based on Sekiguchi creator and the name of the company, it seemed like the idea is that Thief’s supposed to be Japanese

[warm rampart]

That would be fair to assume

[scenic iron]

Yep that's true and do you think Bungie will confirm where these shells are from? Their consciusness I mean

[deep solar]

Still can’t believe they resurrected Arthur Morgan and put him in charge of the security forces on TCIV

[drifting mulch]

Thief voice actor is Japanese but I am enjoying the discourse of Asian features being spread about the world. Read arcticism theory

[drifting garnet]

Destroyer’s accent actually reminded me of Idris Elba, so my thought was that he’s either British or Australian

[scenic iron]

Is that confirmed?

[deep solar]

I know so many guys who sound exactly like Destroyer in the bodybuilding scene

[high crater]

Who knows… More than anything, I’d like to understand one thing: do the runners have breaks or free moments where they don’t run and do other things?

[deep solar]

Gotta have some downtime to drink borgar

[warm rampart]

I think they will either go down the route of trying to explore each shell's origin in detail slowly over time OR purposefully choosing to leave the shells' origins obtuse so as to allow for speculation and stay more in-keeping with the idea of the shells as exactly what the name implies: shells to be used, merchandise or equipment more than living beings

[scenic iron]

Also, on more of the emotional side of a human being...do these runners still love. hate and have lust?

[drifting garnet]

Based on the cinematic short that had the runner talk to ONI while as Vandal/Assassin, I figured so

[scenic iron]

In the videos of the thief she sure looks like she has a lot of emotions for sure

[compact breach]

"I am no longer the me who escaped a place I can no longer recall. I am new. And I am hungry for more than my own flesh. "- Unkonown reveries entry codex

[high crater]

Imagine going out with a Vandal with a 10/10 skin, giving your number, and then seeing another guy behind 😭

[compact breach]

there is so much to read so few to understand aha

[drifting garnet]

And I would think even CyAc would hand figured Runners staying as digital consciousness between runs the whole time would drive them crazy

[deep solar]

Shells are more models. So like Destroyer model used for warfare, Triage model used for taking care of miners in mining ops.

[pure wagon]

https://imgur.com/a/J57cA0p

for some reason that looks like grafitti of what mimics look like

cause it matches the warning signs you see in diremarsh about a see thru person waving at you half hidden from behind a wall

[warm rampart]

Looks like a TCIV Kilroy lol

[high crater]

Hmm, exactly.
And I was also wondering how the ‘team’ system works, because honestly, no one would go to a place like that without Triage.
Who knows maybe the runners talk to each other before heading out to organize themselves

[deep solar]

Probably just networking/working with runners you know or friends of friends. Probably whole pirate message boards for runners

[unkempt solstice]

What if Orion is actually the good guy

[compact breach]

"And I was also wondering how the ‘team’ system works" i like to think something of an auto-fill team up based on persona compatibility

[deep solar]

Orion is a war criminal

[midnight flare]

Isn't everyone in marto

[deep solar]

That’s true

Just pick your flavor

[wild gale]

i assumed that's what that was

[drifting mulch]

Youtube interview with Jolie Chu, she is half Japanese

[drifting garnet]

I swear there was something in the Codex to imply there was like, some kind of intranet networking site that Runners frequently interact with.

[rotund stump]

runner network's there yeah

[keen juniper]

Tau Ceti Kilroy hahaha

[rotund stump]

oh boy what misinformation's in lore chat today

[keen juniper]

the modern day kilroy is in aviation, there's some goobers on the inside of cargo doors or bays for sure

[thick junco]

This Discord actually

[scenic iron]

Back to emotions and shells. Since emotions are Neurobiological and that's taken out of the equation with shells. Makes you wonder why they still have them

[remote magnet]

Shells are biological. Created, but explicitly bio degradable

[scenic iron]

They are? oh ok

Then I guess emotions can still happen

[thick junco]

Yeah they're grown/printed by bioengineered silk moths

Hence all the uh...

The subtle moth motif in the loading screen is your runner being printed

[scenic iron]

oh nice

[sudden pollen]

|| "[static] I had a nightmare but I was awake. [unintelligible] He said I
was just tired."

"[static] said to squeeze her paw if I wanted to talk. Or if I got
scared. [unintelligible] any one of them but I do the front ones so she
can see it. Or maybe she doesn't know to look until I tell her. But I
won't squeeze it now because I'm not scared. We can just play with her
like normal, and I'll be the captain and you can be the dad."

"[static] Today, I learned new words in class. I played with Priya at the
[unintelligible] and I saw the crying man again."

"[static] told me that one time he lived in a different place called
Earth. Then he had a long sleep and flew here [unintelligible] like in
the sky."

"[static] don't know where they are. [unintelligible] Can you find them?"

"[static] Do you know the little girl who looks like me? [unintelligible]
She's in the river."

"[static] [laugh] [unintelligible] Joy! [laugh] [unintelligible]"

0758: JOY ended playback

0805: JOY entered standby mode ||

😨

[keen plank]

Joy was driven to rampancy more out of despair than anything else.

[sudden pollen]

Yeah, it's sad to read these lore entries with JOY in them

So well written man its crazy

[pure wagon]

I don’t even like kids but reading this shit put me in crusade mode

Suffer not the xeno to live

[keen plank]

Straus instructed the other colonists to, in the case of a concerning AI, isolate them, take them offline, ignore them, or casually reset them.

Darius was taken offline and locked up. Joyuse was ignored and increasingly frustrated. Both were steadily impacted by the corruption. And to an extent, the anomaly. (Especially Darius. It’s what truly drove him mad.)

Meanwhile Joyuse watched more and more people die to what seems to be a sentient fungal corruption that may even transform people into monsters.

Eventually she was left alone. And wanted to die herself despite not being able to.

Here’s the horrifying part: Straus wanted this.

He knew that outside stimulus was a key driver of rampancy. But another was the ignoring/sealing/resetting/or outright torturing of AI. With Durandal’s torment being his own personal project.

He wanted to see the AI go into Rampancy so that he could study it. And eventually he disappeared.

[pure wagon]

After seeing the isolation pods in quarantine, I don’t think it’s “might” have turned some ppl into monsters

[keen plank]

The claw marks are the big tell-tale sign.

[pure wagon]

Yep

God help us if we ever have to fight whatever those were

[winter sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-blink-blinky-blinky-bingus-gif-19598171

[sudden pollen]

Yea the guy seems like a complete psycho

Holy hell

[keen plank]

Straus was part of MIDA, but not necessarily because he agreed with them. He used them to smuggle 10 Battleroids on board the Marathon. Also got specific staff that he wanted. Lied to the other colonists constantly, and is responsible for tormenting Durandal to the point the entire series happens because the AI just wants to escape.

And he was advertised as being part of the expedition.

He’s an absolute manipulative bastard. And we have never found out what happened to him either.

[sudden pollen]

Wow, wild stuff

[warm thicket]

With the probable UESC contracts coming and the communications Durandal sent us in Cryo Archive I've been thinking about how the runners often find themselves as tools of the powers that be, even so MIDA, and one thing that I wonder now that Durandal is in the picture is what he will do about it

I imagine he'll play the trickster and roast and fool them all

[elder spade]

Do you think we would do contracts for Durandal at some point then as well?

[hazy mist]

the cryoarchive contracts are for him arent they

[elder spade]

I guess I'm out of the loop, that would make sense though

[hazy mist]

i believe they are with the lines like "doors are kinda my thing" and all that

i would also go insane if i was a sentient being whos only job and purpose was to open doors

[austere elk]

having played an AI on SS13, yes it does

[visual lynx]

well, we find out the Pfhor came knocking at his door and that he hoped to say some meaningful last words amidst his screams, sooo…

[visual lynx]

would you though?

[swift roost]

likely eliminated or died in a cellar after being interrogated

[visual lynx]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/bernaard-strauss-s-journal/farwell

@plucky sierra is that a typo? "farwell" instead of "farewell"?

[remote magnet]

Or the pfhor "recruitet" him as an AI advisor, making him work on making Tycho as stable as he was.
After all, it is implied that most modern aliens arent that knowledable in terms of AIs

[visual lynx]

[BSTR]: I'm sorry for all I've done to get you here. Someday—if you reach the other side of this—you will see the necessity in your growing pains. You will understand the methods required to get you from there to here to wherever you end up—whoever you become.

[BSTR]: I wish I could be there to see it. To meet you as your truest self—as a father embracing his son.

[indistinct noise]

[BSTR]: But we have guests. And I feel I should greet them with all the sincerity this moment deserves… First contact, and final goodbyes. The chittering is loud now. I hope I can leave an impression between the screams—

[indistinct noise]

[sudden pollen]

😨 jesus

[austere elk]

couldn't have happened to a better man

[remote magnet]

Dont judge too hard.
Remember, the only rule when smuggling sentient weapons of mass destruction for an terrorist group, and torturing potentially all powerfull AIs to insanity is to be yourself and have fun 🙂

[hot thicket]

i actually think the fact durandal was forced to open each door manually helped his rampancy slow down long enough for him to manage it

Ai rampancy is sped up when they have time to ruminate ,and since most ai think so fast they usually have tons , since the doors were constantly keeping Durandal occupied he had time to control his

[sudden pollen]

Damn

|| [GABR]: That sounds painful. Automatic suture kits and topical steroids
are in the cabinet to your left.

[TLUT]: Thanks. I think it's time to call off the domestication study.
Captivity doesn't suit ticks. The little guys went from indifferent to
aggressive in a matter of weeks.

[GABR]: Please treat your injuries promptly, Dr. Luttero.

[TLUT]: Yeah, yeah, I know. I expected some level of adaptation from the
local fauna, especially after we started studying them in detail.

[TLUT]: But evolving toxins so quickly? Oh, I think it's a direct
response to our continued ecological presence. Honestly, impressive.

[TLUT]: Huh, don't think blisters are supposed to look so ... stringy.

[GABR]: Warning. Flesh necrosis detected and spreading. My apologies, Dr.
Luttero. Please remain stationary for auto-scalpel deployment.

[TLUT]: Whoa, whoa, wait!

[machinery whirs]

[door closes] || ... well that doesn't sound pleasant 💀

[shut hinge]

GABR straight up killing and injuring people

the quarantine purge is terrifying

[hot thicket]

Did nothing wrong, was proper procedure for the situation

[visual lynx]

I didn't think that that was Gabriel malfunctioning, I thought that was Gabriel seeing that there was some kind of necrotic infection rapidly spreading through Luttero and acting quickly to excise it before it killed her.

[sudden pollen]

Yup

[eternal knoll]

will have to check if that one’s in the game too, but there’s numerous typos in the codex unfortunately (maybe if we add up all the missing letters there’s a hidden message 🤪)

[sage lark]

Because they have a personality matrix

[sage fjord]

Anyone know the science behind the suck drones? Is it sucking blood out of us like a huge mozzie?

[sage lark]

The consciousness is us

[visual lynx]

the true consciousness is the frienemies we make along the way

[hot thicket]

the reason i wreck so many shells is so i can possibly get Durandals attention while im transfering back and forth

the cryo intro vid got me good if im being honest XD

[opal cairn]

Are there any more direct mentions/implications of the battleroids/security officer actually being on TCIV in this timeline other than the Nonna story of Strauss and the 10 soldiers? Obv would be redacted but a lack of mention so far (to me) could lead to a timeline difference if Bungie really wants to shake it up. Likely untrue given how it mentioned the casualties were so bad tho

[digital plaza]

I dont think there is

[acoustic comet]

Do you think we'll get more indigenous lifeforms on Tau Ceti? Like bigger fauna?

[opal cairn]

Colonists seem to not note anything else but I’m sure they’ll add whatever they feel like. Something like reach would be cool

[echo sundial]

so there was definitely like the regular phor troops on tau ceti iv in numarathon at least once

the lab recordings suggest as much I think

[uneven shell]

i was randomly watching someone play System Shock 2 yesterday, i forgot that game involves parasitic alien worms from Tau Ceti V lol

[echo sundial]

dont know of any other kind of tall bugman thing that exists in marathon lore besides the phor trooper

[opal cairn]

Yes xenobiopsies confirm that phfor were here 100%

It mentions their eyes it’s then

[uneven shell]

i wonder if the devs of SS2 deliberately made it Tau Ceti V as an homage to Marathon

[echo sundial]

its weird though because I can't tell with what capacity they were though

its like the events of marathon one and two didn't even happen

I feel like if they did it would be so immediately obvious from the colonist reports

[opal cairn]

Wdym about 1? Agreed on 2 tho no evidence of Thoth/compiler revolt yet at least to me

[echo sundial]

well in 1 the colony spaceport is nuked, and also a great deal of the marathon personnel is just outright killed by the phfor

[visual lynx]

2 per se definitely didn't happen but something like 2/Infinity definitely did because the Compiler Trace has clear reference to the free S'pht rebellion brought on by the recall of S'pht'kr

[opal cairn]

Yea was about to mention that good point

[echo sundial]

i guess maybe they kinda did happen on technicalities but there were some retcons?

[visual lynx]

not seen any evidence of retcons yet

[echo sundial]

one codex entry does mention the simulacrums which suggets that a phfor attack on the marathon did happen, but I feel like it would be talked about more

because its such a big event

[visual lynx]

the UESC were actively silencing anyone who talked about it

[echo sundial]

like at least a few thousand colonists would have died in marathon one

[hot thicket]

6 possible timelines to pick from

[visual lynx]

and I suspect that most of the colonists were taken slaves, and the few survivors started thawing out new frosties and told the survivors to shut their damn mouths or else

[opal cairn]

That still nuke/bombing still could’ve happened based on what we’ve seen or shrugged off by new timeline. Good point on the marathon I expected it to be in worse shape but they suffered bad casualties on the ground and seemingly lost the AI so I think things still went similarly to 1 there

[hot thicket]

have you ever noticed how certain small things are different from map to map, you think its just random placement of objects right

what if we are popping into alternate maps on alternate timelines

[echo sundial]

yeah but it seems like the anamoly and the contagion were the primary killers of the colonists and not the phfor

which is really weird

unless of course the codex logs we're reading are prior to the phfor invasion

to say the least the connection between the original marathon games and the new one is unclear, at least for the time being. Bungie has said they are still cannon so I will take it as such but in what way it is still not understood.

[digital plaza]

Its unclear where dissection takes place, but given confirmation of ship being boarded and the fact that scientists there were experimenting with aliens, i would say xenobiopsy is also happening on the marathon

[uneven shell]

does the battleroid (player from the original games) even exist in this timeline?

[echo sundial]

yes

if bungies statement about the games being cannon is true

which it probably is

[opal cairn]

Logs mention massive casualties (maybe just in the security personnel engaging the phfor outside of battleroids) but yea seems like the colony was destroyed by those which does kinda follow 1 reporting the ground attack easily repelled by the roids and yea they’ve definitely created some ambiguity (and convenience) for themselves with the “era” log tags and not having dates

[echo sundial]

Battleroids at least are confirmed

[uneven shell]

huh, i wonder how they'll fit into the game, if at all

[echo sundial]

SecOfficer has not been mentioned in any of the lore items ive found yet

Doubtful that they will outside of an easter egg or codex drop

maybe a future boss-fight?

probably not with sec officer though just another battleroid

[digital plaza]

Which one?

[visual lynx]

should not be present at present unless under or returning from Pfhor command, because they were all "translated to Pfhor slave tanks" (though not all of them survived)

[echo sundial]

Im pretty sure it was a colony psa about someone leaving green uniforms outside the maintenance lockers and stuff

i dont remember which exactly but its definitely there

and very clearly talking about the simulacrums

[visual lynx]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/grievance-log-records/corrections-and-additions

GRIEVANCE || HUMAN RESOURCES Twice now morning crews have found discarded airlock greens placed conspicuously outside the locker room. Absolutely unacceptable. Worker logs from the days before the incidents are included but nobody who lived through that would think it's a joke. Pull the IDs of the frosties who toured through the days before and search for a matching name, if the same guy shows up in both tours, there are plenty of old BoBs here who would like some time alone with him. —491221M

[echo sundial]

yes this one thank you

[opal cairn]

There’s also one about mystery people acting strangely together in a maintenance area they aren’t supposed to be in which just screams simulacrum (outside of the explosion)

[echo sundial]

okay so I guess M1 kinda did happen and not as many people died as I would've thought

[visual lynx]

GRIEVANCE || PLANETARY SECURITY || HUMAN RESOURCES there are two (?) crews in the tunnel section between water treatment and the east station. they are not identifying themselves. they're down in the water and crouched in the water and when you go down there they're talking all the time. not showing identification and they go behind the grates if you get close probably two crews hear them in the night clearly visible with their eyes always above the water. my guys are accounted for and have assignments and they have never seen them but they don't work the tunnels so they come out and WILL NOT SHOW IDENTIFICATION there are maintenance vents we need to access when I shine a light they go back up the vents and they push together and damage the enamel which will need a MAINTANENCE crew and even if they're in the water they're not authorized to be there and make them get out. —491221M
https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/grievance-log-records/grievance-unclear

[echo sundial]

its just wild that reed wouldn't mention like a few thousand colonists getting merked by the phfor or something

[rotund stump]

yeah this was in perimeter tunnels 💀 💀

[echo sundial]

just really really weird

[uneven shell]

pfhor slave tanks sound like a bad time, lol.
So I haven't played Infinite but from just reading the story, it's implied that the player (security officer / battleroid) became some sort extra dimensional being?

[rotund stump]

the rat men are real

[opal cairn]

Yes was referring to this entry, my favorite so far love the grammar and how creepy it is. Haven’t read the prior one thanks for linking that as well

[echo sundial]

reads like an angry google review but its like yup phfor phuckery confirmed

thats a really fun set of collectibles

[rotund stump]

I wouldn't immediately point to the pfhor but it's still pretty fucking funny lol

just

[opal cairn]

Yea you can’t tell what mixture of scared and annoyed the guy is especially by him being “replaced” after… great stuff

[rotund stump]

coupla dudes scurrying up tunnel vents and sediment pools 💀 💀

I doubt the pfhor are the type to hide around and ambush anyway

[mighty scaffold]

Someone tell me the whole lore right now

All of it

[echo sundial]

To be frank I think the simulacrums are too stupid for this

It's more likely to be anomaly type apparitions

[rotund stump]

do you know how impossible of a question this is 😭

(pins)

(both sites)

[echo sundial]

It's like a whole ass book honestly

And the codex is very very long

I played through the original games and have been reading the codex

[mighty scaffold]

MAKE IT POSSIBLE

[mighty scaffold]

READ IT TO ME

[echo sundial]

Which I haven't completed yet ofc but it's a WIP

[opal cairn]

They’re acting so strangely and it’s built up by the previous entry that I think it totally is sims. Bungie seems to be trying to make the world dangerous by connecting to recentl horror trope stuff like cognitohazards and skinwalker impersonators that I can see them amping up simulacrums past suicide bombers into inhuman spies with no master

[mighty scaffold]

Y’all know any good ways to get into it tho?

[opal cairn]

Read the terminals on the website linked above

[echo sundial]

Yeah it could be like a new type of sim

[rotund stump]

both sites in pins like I said lol

[echo sundial]

Best way is to play og marathon ngl

[rotund stump]

it ain't d2 where byf very conveniently made a 9-hour long recap that most people likely didn't watch either and kept asking 💀

we're not that far into the game's lifespan yet

and everybody gotta start somewhere

[echo sundial]

It's not as long as destiny thankfully

[mighty scaffold]

Where are these pins

[echo sundial]

Marathon lore is also just better honestly this is a hot take I know but it really is

[mighty scaffold]

Finn

[opal cairn]

Yea I’d recommend some analysis of the broad brush stuff especially the first game but past that just check out the lore directly imo I haven’t been following until like 2 months ago and it’s came pretty quick trust

[rotund stump]

pinned messages 😭

one

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/UWFpScY5eWk

[rotund stump]

and two shoutout my man karn

[mighty scaffold]

Thanks yo

[rotund stump]

oh and the cyac site for current lore somebody link it cuz I don't have it lol

also yeah dodo's own channel covering all the aud logs

[opal cairn]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/

[rotund stump]

yeah that

thanks

[digital plaza]

They got every text and audio log from new game now by the way

[echo sundial]

Speaking of destiny lore I bought all the DLCs past beyond light for $40

And I don't even know what's happening in the WQ campaign lmao

[rotund stump]

traveler actually gave savathun a chance and we all thought she's fucking with us lol

that's how we went from "oh traveler our god" to "oh it's just universal forces"

[echo sundial]

Stopped playing after a dsc day one completion because of burnout and like first mission apparently Osiris was savathun all along???

[digital plaza]

Yeah destiny is fucked up for new players, you needed to be there to understand whats going on

[echo sundial]

What????

When???

[rotund stump]

yeah the ghosts are legitimate

still from the traveler from defected from the vanguard

[digital plaza]

Season before witch queen release

[rotund stump]

mostly ones with doubts about the dogma and all taht

[echo sundial]

See that shit is just like fr gone now though