📚marathon-lore-discussion

[tranquil basin]

RUNNAH

UESC TOOK MY SCRATCH OFFS

NEED YOU TO RUN INTO AMPOL AND GET MORE

[austere elk]

Maybe? It's not clear form what I remember, only some of MIDA became runners, he probably fits the bill though

[tranquil basin]

He said the best of MIDA gave up their bodies

He seems to be the leader, or a prominent member

I’d assume he did too

[acoustic edge]

He does come off like one.

[timber loom]

If this is one of the best mida have...

[acoustic edge]

Reading a script made of news paper clippings

I find it funny how everyone has beef with the UESC and almost none of the corp factions have major conflicts of interest yet.

[austere elk]

I'm sure that will evolve more once they're actually got a foot in the door

[timber loom]

Well, rn they do not know what they are dealing with

[tranquil basin]

Well there’s limitations on who could beef with whom. Cyac owns the runners, so they could easily cut off access to a corp if they started being mean to them

[visual lynx]

🌈 C O L L U S I O N

[tranquil basin]

Sekiguchi has a monopoly on shells and could do the same

[visual lynx]

it's probably Traxus' ship who brought everyone there

[tranquil basin]

Traxus could probably stomp everyone bc they’re huge

NuCal makes burgers

[visual lynx]

gotta drink your burgers

[austere elk]

Delicious schizophrenia burgers

Read the final codex entry for liquid cheeseburgers

|| dude starts hallucinating hardcore whenever he's starts trying to survive on them for a time ||

(can't spoil important burger lore)

[acoustic edge]

Yet.

Though. I have a suspicion that Durandal may become a new faction head.

Just a feeling tho

[visual lynx]

oh that's because they're made in part from psilocybin

[acoustic edge]

Also I think it'd be neat if Mida made grenade and rocket launchers. Where is my spnkr?

[visual lynx]

that's not schizophrenia, that's magic mushrooms

[austere elk]

Same thing

Just because you can grow schizophrenia doesn't mean it's not

[timber loom]

Well, sure, next seasons we might see cyac/sekgen rivalry, I guess, and maaaaaybeee mida/Traxus? Hard to say

[timber loom]

UESC will happen before that my bet

[acoustic edge]

Ara- spider one. Whatever they are called. I think will be beefing with everyone since shutting down runners is a real conflict of interest to everyone else.

[austere elk]

'okay runner I know... I spend literally every waking hour trying to kill you but can you PLEASE go pick up my laundry' - Orion, probably

[acoustic edge]

What makes you think the UESC will even entertain contracting us?

Besides that were good at disposing their robots.

It'd be kinda neat if rook+UESC contracts made the bots neutral to the player and they acted in a semi support role to those players.

It'd be an interesting dynamic imo

[visual lynx]

Arachne. like arachnids. like spiders.

[acoustic edge]

Yeah

How come the Sec officer looks so different between offical illustrations?

[timber loom]

Cerberus will catch Anomaly thing like ALL the colony AIs, go rampant and UESC will lose all of their robot army

[acoustic edge]

Hm

Kinda lame cause that doesn't shift how we'd play

[visual lynx]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/CM_history.html

[acoustic edge]

That kinda just encourages more. Kill everything.

[acoustic edge]

Thanks.

Kinda wish the new marathon was based on Mr Mullin's designs. But it is what it is.

[visual lynx]

oh sweet, hidden on one of those Mullins pages is the full text from Robnar's old personal page on Bungie's original website!

THE NAR

The Nar sprang into being exactly one week after the Universe sprang into being. They are an ageless race of immortal beings who, in the four billion odd years of their existance, have yet to develop a written language. This tends to hinder their scientific endevours as they speak entirely in metaphore.

(a note about Nar Launguage: each "family" has its own metaphorical style and each "district" has its own colloquialisms, this combined with an individual's own personal lyrical stylings makes the Nar language impossible to fathom by any but the most gifted linguists.)

In the Beginning (about four days after they sprang into being) they grew tired and fell asleep. The next morning all but twelve of them woke at daybreak. Fearing the worst (ie. somebody might trip over them) and not yet realizing they were immortal, those still sleeping were intered in what is now known as 'the coil revealed by sorrow'. To this day the Nar still look to the 'ancestors' for wisdom, but as always, the 'ancestors' want nothing more than release from their burial cairn, so the Nar usually leave saying something akin to: "let us be as clouds, until the rumbling of the cairn becomes as wind through the grass."

_ _
The entire Nar homeworld has been developed. That is to say that the entire surface of the planet has a three story building built on it. In other words, the Nar homeworld is encased in a three story structure that covers every square inch of the planet's surface. On the lowest level (or "ground floor") we have the Nar - the laborers and foot soldiers of the Nar. Living on the next level (or "mezzanine") are the C'Nar - the artisans and artificers of the Nar. At the highest level (living proof that filth rises to the top of any medium) are the Cf'Nar and the CFN Kommandoes - the Cf'Nar are the "Ruling Elite" of the Nar (mostly managers or scientific research facilities and heads of huge industrial combines) and the CFN Kommandoes are Warriors and Leaders of distinction, though the CFN Kommandoes usually go up to "the Roof" to hone their Martial Arts and tend the sod.

(a note on Nar weaponry: the weapon of choice among the CFN Kommandoes is the "menacing fist of steel". The "fist" is a sturdy hardwood cudgle that has a magnetic field generator built into the "grip" that aligns all of the cudgle's atoms making it as strong as steel. Rumors of "fists" covered in steel plates have been floating around for years but no examples have ever been recovered. The Nar have never personally developed any ranged weapons for the individual, though they will gladly scoop up any "firearm" dropped by a fallen enemy. They toyed with a shoulder-fired missile for a while, but at 9' long and 280lbs the weapon was "unwieldy" at best, not to mention the cost and time involved in training the small primate that piloted the projectile after launch.)

[finite night]

i wish marathon ship looked more like mullin's art

[visual lynx]

_ _
There is only one group of Nar that have come to the realization that they are, in fact, immortal (or at least extremely long lived). These are the scientific crews on the ships 'devourer of worlds on a leash' and 'immense lusterless comet hiding in shadows' (manufactured from the sum total of the natural resouces of the planet 'lifeless air-soaked rock' and its moon, respectively). These ships and their crews embarked on the 'Grand Endevor' just over 2 billion years ago from the system neighboring the Nar system. The 'Grand Endevor' was an undertaking of the greatest importance to the Nar -- to measure the diameter of the universe to the nearest whole inch. This was to be achieved by tethering the smaller of the two craft to the larger with a sturdy chain and once they reached one edge of the universe, the smaller craft would then travel to the other side. The larger of the two craft would house several mining craft and a massive manufacturing plant dedicated to the creation of the chain.

(a note about Nar spacecraft: describing a Nar spacecraft as mind-numbingly huge would be a monumental understatement. Their smallest craft, a two-man scout, is roughly four times the size of the Hindenburg, while their largest craft, the world ships, are exactly what it sounds like; spacecraft the size of planets constructed out of the sum total of a planet's natural resources. They are powered by hyper-efficient coal burning engines that are capable of propeling the massive crafts at nearly one-tenth the speed of light. About half of a Nar ship's hull is given over to a giant coal-hopper situated on top of a small warp generator that transports the fuel directly into the coal-burning engine, as the warp generator can only transport things within the confines of the ship's gravity well.)

[finite night]

i love how industrial and cold it looks

something build to get people to tau ceit rather than be liveable place

[acoustic edge]

We haven't seen it up close yet outside cinematics.

[acoustic edge]

Pure function.

[finite night]

yeah

specially those cryo chambers

[visual lynx]

I wonder if we will see more of the Nar in the new Marathon

maybe even Nebulons and Vylae

[finite night]

them being pretty much mortuary chambers

[dreamy hawk]

I had forgotten about the Nar.

[livid lion]

I think they have the right amount of material for being an extended Douglas Adams-esque bit

[pure wagon]

Compiler trace lore yet?

[burnt nebula]

so why is the compiler in this game such a tank? is he stronger than the OG compilers? is our ammo just weak sauce in this game? or both?

[long kernel]

Maybe, if this were a direct conflict in sol, yes. The thing is, this isn’t sol, and most of the factions are either operating under a veneer of legality, or are not powerful enough to decisively come out on top. Sure Tracy’s could start open conflict on Tau Ceti and cripple most of the other factions, but then the UESC, NuCal, and Cyac would stomp them flat and cut off any logistical support

[long kernel]

A mix of things I think

For one

It’s a boss

[strong lodge]

Anybody make it through the door?

[long kernel]

So I think this compiler is just built different

But also, the oh games you played as a battleground

Battleroid

Autocorrect

[burnt nebula]

kinda lame one tbh lol. woulda been better if it was not a boss but a section of the ship filled with compilers.

[long kernel]

Anyway, those things are essentially WMDs, so it makes sense the SO was taking on compilers much easier, even if they were weaker

[pure wagon]

I keep seeing ppl say the security officer and his weapons were just absolutely cracked compared to runners

[long kernel]

That said I’m sure we will meet more Spht and Pfhor

[burnt nebula]

his guns shot bullets

[long kernel]

True

[burnt nebula]

makes no sense tbh lol

[long kernel]

Which is why I say this one was probably also just built different

[pure wagon]

It does tbh. He was the pinnacle of human combat cybernetics at the time and integrated with jjaro tech

[burnt nebula]

yeah maybe the security officer himself was stronger but our bullets are destroying metal robots

[long kernel]

My guess is that the cryo archive compiler was like an elder or an elite one

[burnt nebula]

still think it woulda been way more awesome to have had a section of the ship filled with compilers that felt like the OG games. not a boss fight.

[long kernel]

Not to mention it seems that the compiler in the cryo archive kinda custom modified that area into its “lair” which probably made it harder to kill than normal

[burnt nebula]

was also kinda hoping there would be more than one new enemy

[long kernel]

I think there will be in time

But the game has been out less than a month

[burnt nebula]

i feel like they're just gonna do one boss fight every season with another enemy from the old games except unreasonably tanky

[long kernel]

Given the lore tidbits we’ve gotten it seems highly likely we will see Pfhor warriors

[long kernel]

That seems kinda based on nothing

[burnt nebula]

well its based on what we got this time

[long kernel]

We’ve seen one compiler that was a boss fight

That is an event

It is not a pattern

Not to mention

[burnt nebula]

well now they cant just put compilers everywhere

they'd have to be tanks

[long kernel]

It’s also the first compiler we’ve seen

[long kernel]

They totally can

Maybe not spamming them

But like

Something a bit tankier than a UESC commander is totally feasible

[burnt nebula]

i wanna solo run down hallways slaughtering compilers

[long kernel]

Well even in the OG games that wasn’t really feasible

[burnt nebula]

it was, they were a dime a dozen in those games

[long kernel]

Yeah and they would kill you if you rushed them carelessly

And that was as a cutting edge cyborg super soldier

[burnt nebula]

same with the bots. same with any enemy in any game.

[long kernel]

Point is it makes sense for them to be tanky, but also I think and also hope that the one in cryo is an outlier

Also the idea of a roided up Pfhor warrior as a boss fight is killing me lmao

[languid zealot]

Yo, the ai subroutines you get in the vaults are the same things assassin found in the reveal cinematic

He had durendal in his ear

[distant cedar]

Not Durandal reading Ozymandias to us

[tender oyster]

Jjaro tech confirmed for letting you skip raid mechanics

Kehehe

[spare bison]

hey guys ! gm hru?

[white delta]

@pcole02 I mean, back then we where a war dedicated cyborg with op gun, now we are just plastic with a water pistol (and yet we are able to kill one with a few mags and green goo)

[white delta]

It sounds like void

[spare bison]

hey I been wanting to make a song for one of the factions. a rock one ! sekgen feels more like a lullaby to me tbh lol

any other factions is fine but I can decide AAAA

I think nucal will be a good choice idk

[timber loom]

WDYM? It is literally Ben Starr in credits

[night tendon]

Think of the security officer as the absolute peak potential high end cybernetic shell and were the mass produced made in china knock off

[craggy finch]

At some point ONI says that the environment is at 14 pH

[timber loom]

Ben Starr - Narrator ********

[craggy finch]

Let's get this place ALKALINE

[timber loom]

And "woke up". Makes you think

[burnt nebula]

yeah that makes sense for the security officers strength but not the new compilers strength

[night tendon]

Well because we’re so much worse the compiler is by proxy stronger

[burnt nebula]

bullets are bullets

[craggy finch]

If we assume that the original AR shooting .75 high velocity rounds is legit and not a misunderstanding, the Pfhor and compilers were resilient bastards

[craggy finch]

There have been levels to the various enemies anyway

Hunters had the Mother of All Hunters miniboss versions

This may be an unusually strong compiler in comparison to the others

[burnt nebula]

i understand the gameplay dynamic, i wanna know the lore lol

[craggy finch]

That's what I mean though

If an extremely tough Hunter popped up as the lone enemy of that type, I'd assume it was the Mother of All Hunters variant

[burnt nebula]

the compiler just looks like an average compiler though, just not a 2d sprite lol

[sage lark]

isnt it gigantic

[craggy finch]

Haven't seen much detailed footage but from what I see it's a lot bigger than the regular S'pht

[burnt nebula]

seems about 7 feet tall or so

[timber loom]

It doesn't work that way, especially in Bungie-verse

[craggy finch]

and it's not a graphical thing since the S'pht are basically oversized brains with a cybernetic shell covered by the cloak

this one is unusually large

from the first trailer and the music video I assumed they would be regular elite level enemies but it being this one boss enemy opens up other lore implications

[burnt nebula]

i appreciate there being a boss fight but i was kinda hoping for more accessible new enemies to fight lol

[craggy finch]

yeah same

I guess Bungie invested too much in the UESC combat loop to shake up the regular enemies too much

[burnt nebula]

how cool would cryo chamber be if there were entire halls and rooms filled with compilers, that would be sick af

[thin ridge]

Yo

[craggy finch]

also when I saw the pillar of destroyed UESC robots on the cover art I assumed it was some kind of visual metaphor but that's literally what the chamber looks like lmao

[thin ridge]

How hard actually are compilers to kill

[craggy finch]

none of us here have gotten to it but it's the tankiest enemy so far

[thin ridge]

I’ve not had much free time since the games actual release so I’ve not been able to get to the required level

[burnt nebula]

your team needs a tonne of top tier gear, a tonne of ammo and meds, and proper co-ordination to kill it

[thin ridge]

Yuh

So

Basically

[craggy finch]

you also need to do multiple runs to unlock each level before arriving at the compiler's chamber

[thin ridge]

Fills is fucked

[burnt nebula]

yep

[thin ridge]

Unless I have the off chance of actively communicating teammates

[craggy finch]

I hope they at the very least open it up to duos

[burnt nebula]

even that doesnt help. but maybe after a few weeks the community will learn and be able to do it with less comms

[thin ridge]

Yeah hopefully

In honesty high tier enemy pve is pretty easy

[craggy finch]

I wonder if the Destroyer's helmet is removable or if it's just part of his skull

[thin ridge]

But to many people just don’t get it

[thin ridge]

Prolly built in

Might be a face beneath tho

[craggy finch]

Getting ganked by the other players is really the biggest challenge

[thin ridge]

Fr

Claymores could be useful

Tho

[burnt nebula]

from what i gather the compiler needs to be lured away so that one team mate can hack a computer and then you need to defend the guy thats hacking from green orbs

[twin trout]

not to sound like a gatekeeper but I think there shouldn't be a cryo sponsor kit (ik there's only 1 in stock but still), if people have to use their own gear they are naturally gonna try harder I think <w<

[thin ridge]

Realistically mfs are gonna always have signal jammers

They are so good

[thin ridge]

Nah

It’s a good way to give somebody a first intro

[twin trout]

I mean I guueeesss but like 5k worth of gear isn't that difficult to scrounge up

[thin ridge]

So whilst they are clueless they atleast have a chance to figure something out on their own

Without have to crutch on videos

[thin ridge]

I isn’t true

[craggy finch]

the S'pht have likely done some tech wizardry to make themselves even more individually powerful, they were just slaves under the Pfhor after all

[thin ridge]

But I feel like it’s a good idea

[burnt nebula]

i like the sound of that tbh

[thin ridge]

I need to learn more about the lore

I’m trying to

But I’m lowkey stupid

[burnt nebula]

maybe they will be on tciv at some point and outside of the ship theyre not as strong maybe

[craggy finch]

If you don't have much knowledge of the originals, only the very first game is relevant to Tau Ceti for from what we know so far

[thin ridge]

They should do a uesc general type enemy on another floor of the marathon

[burnt nebula]

but i'd love to see them on the ship, groups of them, and for them to not be absolute tanks

[thin ridge]

Like a head of operations

That you can fight

[craggy finch]

Orion for sure

[thin ridge]

Yeah

I’ve heard about Orion

[craggy finch]

but he got absolutely destroyed by a compiler from the MIDA contract audio log

[thin ridge]

Sound cool asf

[craggy finch]

apparently he's a biomata like us

[thin ridge]

He should defo be it

[craggy finch]

but definitely in a custom made shell

so he should be a souped up version of the player Runners

[thin ridge]

Yeah

I reckon he should have traits from all the uesc cmdrs

[craggy finch]

Jesus imagine him dropping fire while summoning holograms and going invisible

[thin ridge]

Maybe different ones as you pass through phases of the fight

[craggy finch]

speeding around shooting at you while UESC grunts pour out

[burnt nebula]

anywhup the Rook loot is getting way better. ive found a bunch of dead bodies stacked with purple gear and even some gold salvage. people leaving behind some good stuff now.

[craggy finch]

need to do a pinwheel Rook run

[thin ridge]

Rook lowkey gonna be so good for cryo archive

Especially due to the 5000 inv value minimum

[thin ridge]

I wish

[burnt nebula]

you cant go as rook

[thin ridge]

It’s always fully looted when i go

[craggy finch]

Durandal has very high standards for who gets to run the Cryo Archive, he even sends you a starter kit to give you a taste

[burnt nebula]

they should maybe let rook go on sundays or something

[thin ridge]

Even if I hit the quickest entry

[thin ridge]

Ah k

[craggy finch]

I think lore wise he'd be insulted by a Rook going in

[thin ridge]

Oh yeah

[craggy finch]

we're only in the Marathon because he gave us permission

[thin ridge]

I didn’t know mb

[thin ridge]

Ohhh k

[burnt nebula]

but durandal menacingly tells me i should not have come here when i run perimeter sometimes...

[thin ridge]

Uh huh

[burnt nebula]

right at the start of the run

[craggy finch]

bipolar

[thin ridge]

I rarely play w headset on

Soooo

[pure wagon]

Imagine

[thin ridge]

Playing rook I mean

Not with a team

I literally just grab a couple of high value items I want

And dip immediately

[burnt nebula]

my speakers are having issues so i switched to headset and the sounds are way better in headset. i wish it wasnt so... i need new speakers so im gonna try get ones that are clearer or something

i prefer the cinematic experience of a pair of big beefy stereo studio monitors

but for some reason i can barely hear footsteps unless i use a headset

[pure wagon]

Regarding the s’pht difference between OG and current game; maybe im remembering wrong but I could have sworn that underneath the current compilers cloak, it looked very uh meaty and veiny. While the OG compilers literally just wore a cloth cloak over their brain case things. Difference in art direction? Or smth to tell us why this compiler is so much larger and stronger ?

[fierce moon]

I think the difference in art direction is apparent with the entire game

[tender oyster]

"Security officer, you...you have to stand in the bubble to hurt me."
"Nah."

[pure wagon]

Well yes. But I meant specifically for the compiler

[craggy finch]

That might be retained with compilers that may appear later

original compilers also disappeared entirely into static (explained in both an M1 terminal and a log from the new game as a self destruct)

so the cloak might have already been a tech thing

either way the original designers probably just put them on for style points

[livid lion]

It’s still metal underneath

It just has the shape of ribs and the like

[wild egret]

so why would durandal be on the marathon now? shouldn't he be on boomer or one of the other ships?

[craggy finch]

Just watched the boss fight and it has a very Necron look

[craggy finch]

I think the implication is that he's returned

also that he's not necessarily only on the Marathon

[pseudo python]

What exactly is a rat?

[craggy finch]

camper

[pseudo python]

Gotcha

[zealous laurel]

Out of context this is a hilarious question

[pseudo python]

Look guys these terms are getting difficult to understand and I can’t just google it lol

[zealous laurel]

You're good!! :V

[tulip wedge]

what's the lore for how we get into cryo archive

[lament tusk]

weird, anyone notice how the cyac sticker called Oni kinda resembles Durandal?

[ivory token]

hello lore people

are runners all from combat/fighting backgrounds or are they just regular people that upload and learn to fight throughout each run?

can't imagine that throwing a regular person into a trillion dollar shell 50 times over just so they get the hang of combat would be cost efficient

[frigid echo]

Humans who now are bio synthetic mercenaries that no longer have a physical body.

[latent python]

my impression is that the corps would be screening but not all that hard

this is more of a quantity, not quality operation

[frigid echo]

Also anyone encounter pfhor or s’pht in cyro archive? If not i wonder why they are not using the core part of the og games which was basically alien shooter

[latent python]

sure did

turns out there is absolutely a compiler up there

[pure wagon]

Idk about that. Not when they’re so expensive to make

[latent python]

they're not only letting but encouraging them to murder each other. it's quantity

[pure wagon]

Well it would make sense for one corp to encourage their runners to kill those from another corp. it’s a resource drain on the victim corp isn’t it ?

And since the corps can’t just wage war directly, big resource drains are the next best thing

[latent python]

except that all of them are deniable assets for all of them

[pure wagon]

Correct. Which is even better because the victim corp can’t go and complain about it

[latent python]

I'm not sure how this is an argument against this being a quantity over quality operation

[pure wagon]

I was about to say, you’re right that it’s a quantity operation

[craggy finch]

Durandal is letting you in

[twin trout]

because all of the introduction contracts are you proving yourself to the corporation

[pure wagon]

What I was saying is that they are still very picky about who they allow to be a runner

Like I assume not just anyone can do it. you have to have some kind of proven background

But once you’re selected then yes it’s all quantity

[latent python]

yeah, like I said I'm sure they're screening. but they're also throwing thousands at it

[craggy finch]

our background is very ambiguous, ONI keeps mentioning memory loss and talks about "erasing the pain" in one piece of intro dialogue

[pure wagon]

Yeyeyeye

[craggy finch]

none of the Runners seem to actually know who they were in the past

[pure wagon]

I probably should have said that originally lol

Sorry

[craggy finch]

so it's anyone's guess who Runners were before their minds were transferred

the situation with Vandal and Assassin being given the same childhood photos makes it even more nefarious

even if it was Vandal changing Shells, she doesn't actually know if the picture is actually her

[pure wagon]

Fragments of tycho being brainwashed into thinking they’re humans /s

[craggy finch]

and she can only vaguely infer that the first photo is supposed to be her mother

[craggy finch]

we're all those dumb Tycho clones the Pfhor made

[hasty salmon]

I thought that Vandal switched to Assasin in that scene

[craggy finch]

yeah that's one of the possibilities

either way though, she has no idea about her past

and ONI constantly talks about memory loss in game

[hasty salmon]

Scary stuff indeed

[craggy finch]

it's a really clever way of jumping players in media res

as players, we are essentially disembodied minds hopping through disposable avatars

yet we have no in-character background to care about

we just fight, kill and die for loot or whatever faction is contracting us

and we don't know how long "our" Runners have even being doing this

[ivory token]

I assumed it wasn't Vandal because the mannerisms changed slightly. unless shells somehow impact runner personality?

[craggy finch]

codex does note that each shell has a predetermined personality

Destroyer for example has the personality of a military officer installed

[ivory token]

oh interesting

[craggy finch]

so even individual Runners are altering their base behaviour depending on what Shell they're inhabiting

we have no actual identity

[ivory token]

why even have multiple runners instead of one highly trained runner copied multiple times?

[craggy finch]

The most common DESTROYER SHELLS utilized by the initial wave of RUNNERS arriving in the TAU CETI system are equipped with a known combat personality series codenamed, LOCUS. Developed by the UESC in the later stages of their DESTROYER SHELL deployments, the LOCUS series was trained on the live-fire experiences of UESC soldiers, giving it a depth of emotional clarity and situational awareness specific to the stresses and chaos unique to wartime engagements. LOCUS's real world foundational programming is specifically engineered to support and encourage the wearer's combat instincts, providing a "natural" connection between a RUNNER's active conscience and the SHELL's various combat systems. LOCUS's vocalization pattern is an amalgamation of combat field leaders tuned to deliver confidence and calm under duress, helping to command a crew or combat situation regardless of the level of threat faced.

[bitter slate]

guys just wanna say im sitting here reading this and am highly enjoying it

[craggy finch]

If it's not by design then Runners are constantly losing their memory

the odd thing is that Orion is also a biomata and clearly retains his sense of self

but then again, we don't even know his real name, Orion is a call sign

[bitter slate]

have you guys been into marathon lore from the original or just got into it from this game?

[craggy finch]

I got into it after hearing about the thing that came before Halo and influenced it

this was about 2018-ish?

hyped as fuck when they announced the revival

[misty bear]

Wait quick question does the arg have anything to do with the lore or was all just to unlock the new map?

[latent python]

there is absolutely lore in the arg

[quick pasture]

Will cryo archive be open after the timer is up?

I got a key but I'm wondering if I should just use it

[craggy finch]

it's down until next weekend according to current plans

they're planning a weekly event sort of thing

[quick pasture]

Good to know

[drifting garnet]

Although there's been some grumbling from the community on the grounds of some having jobs on the weekend. That said, Bungie is apparently open to the idea of changing what days Cryo (and also Ranked) are open on the week, including staggering their releases.

[craggy finch]

I hope they at least open it up to a PvE experience, I don't mind the puzzles or mobs but I'd rather not get ganked by other guys rushing in

especially since the compiler is such a huge event

[drifting garnet]

otherwise...

looks over some of the vids of people's runs on Cryo

oh good, they maintained the OG games' feel on how the Marathon ship is a goddamn maze in layout, lol

[craggy finch]

some of the visual design on Cryo translates really well to the original

plus Craig Mullins' artwork for it when he was a fan (before Bungie hired him for Marathon 2/Infinity)

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/CM_images/Marathon_Image.jpg

[misty bear]

Ok cool im gonna look into it

[craggy finch]

the ARG unlocked teasers that are now on the Marathon YT channel

the narrator is Bernhard Strauss, who is very important for Durandal's backstory

[zealous laurel]

And also a massive dingus

This is canon

[drifting garnet]

centuries later and we're still dealing with Strauss' bullshit

[craggy finch]

There's a log from Cryo where he finds out Durandal was writing poetry and mocks it for being terrible

[timber loom]

Aside from index entries, there is squat

[timber loom]

We get to hack marathon with the help of Null/Durandal and we also got couple of entries in index, but otherwise it is only for a map

[latent python]

index entries are...the entire lore for much of Marathon

[timber loom]

I mean, up to half of them are solely info for puzzles, and the lore ones are short and not that informative

[peak halo]

Yeah a lot of the lore just rehashes the same concepts

[timber loom]

You can check them all on marathon.winnower.garden

[analog jungle]

Do we know the VA for Strauss yet for sure? I've seen some people say its Fred Tatasicore, but every couple of sentences or so I honestly get a bit Cpt Anderson vibes, I wonder if its Keith David?

[peak halo]

The codex lore falls in one of three categories:

-Spooky virus

-Spooky redacted thing that we know is an alien

-Aw man I hate it here

[drifting garnet]

which in this case I'm fine with since this is a sequel to a +30 year old game that a lot of current gamers have never played before. which sure, thanks to AlephOne, the old games are super accessible, but in gameplay it is of its time and might be a turnoff to younger gamers to play through

[peak halo]

All of the quest dialogue is like "wow guys I think the uesc might be hiding something.......what could it be....."

[craggy finch]

It also helps confirms some events from the original games happened

Bungie was very vague about if it was a full reboot or not

[peak halo]

Has any in-game story stuff happened since the compiler has been killed?

[timber loom]

We kinda still unsure

[drifting garnet]

well I think we're at "some version of M1 happened, M2 probably didn't happen, and Infinity proves that alternate timelines are a Thing"

[timber loom]

We only have like lore of the premise of the first game. Colony was attacked by Phor. Everything else is left open for now

[craggy finch]

Durandal seems far more introspective now

he may be the Thoth hybrid

Durandal used to just do things on a whim for his own amusement

he's much more bitter and cold from what we know so far

[drifting garnet]

I wonder if maybe he believes the Heroic Soul from SecOfficer has since reincarnated back into The Runner and hence why he's come back to TCIV

if it is the version of him that merged with Thoth and knows about SecOfficer's true nature

[timber loom]

Gosh, I really hope not

That runners are left more nameless and the same rather than guardians in Destiny, where there is THE guardian

[drifting garnet]

I don't consider that off the table considering the Eternal Hero's been a consistent thing across all of Bungie's games

[timber loom]

It is not, but you can have a mockery of a person be a mockery of eternal hero

[drifting garnet]

Especially the similar implications that narratively, the Priority Contracts, aka the main driver of the story, are meant to be delivered to your runner specifically, aka your runner is at the center of the investigations on all the factions trying to figure out what happened on TCIV

[echo sundial]

did anyone ever get to the door past the compiler

[craggy finch]

that's the case with most MMORPG though

like you're the first dude ever who did this exact quest from your own perspective

and other players are miscellaneous adventurers that implicitly did some other stuff

[latent python]

Oh look https://youtu.be/mHxLcIoh8EU

[lunar cove]

I knew it was coming

[latent python]

I like that he takes it somewhat seriously even though there's something fundamentally ridiculous about the Marathon guns

[echo sundial]

destiny and marathon have very funny guns

I love that one destiny gif of the like the mida multi tool or something where the bullet travels through the stock to get to the chamber

[dreamy hawk]

I swore in one of the ViDocs they said more clearly how connected it is but I just sped through the one I thought it was and couldn’t find it. 😕

[echo sundial]

would master chief beat the compiler

on first try

[drifting garnet]

Chief I believe is meant to be closer in power level to SecOfficer then to The Runner. So, probably lol

[echo sundial]

secofficer actually bamboozling runners in a 1v1 ngl

[timber loom]

It seems rn only sweats got to compiler and sweats are not interested in lore

Lvl5 clearance is an obstruction to kill compiler since it puts you into more tight time constraints

[drifting garnet]

yea, lol. i think people here have brought up the possibility of a boss fight of, not necessarily with SecOfficer, but with another battleroid

that I can buy needing a team of runners trying to take even one down!

I also wouldn't be surprised if there's secret red-tier weapons in the near future that's just "oh hey, you found some of SecOfficer's guns!"

[proud timber]

can anyone explain the cutscene when loading into the game on cryo launch?

[wet maple]

From what I can tell, it's mostly Durandal chewing the scenery

[drifting garnet]

So Durandal being Durandal

[proud timber]

that makes sense (I have no clue who durandal is or what "chewing the scenery" means)

[echo sundial]

tyraxe didn't even let us look at his codex lmao

[wet maple]

Durandal is one of the big name AIs of the IP

Chewing the scenery is a stage term where a big name character monologues/gloats and doesn't do much other than talk.

[terse wren]

I prefer when big name character goats and literally eats the scenery

[echo sundial]

fun fact fact both cortana and durandal are from old french medieval legends

[timber loom]

It is not even like "I do not want to read it now". He literally clicked through so it won't bother him💀

[echo sundial]

I think Durandal specifically is the sword of roland

[proud timber]

oh ok that actually makes sense, I'm excited to see a complete lore story on this game it seems intense lol

[wet maple]

Basically XD

Like, you can tell, this fuckers been waiting a long time to mess with actual people.

[timber loom]

It made me cringe. Dude, you have free entertainment for your viewers, but nah

[echo sundial]

Chewing the scenery is like basically his entire schtick its so awesome lmao

[craggy finch]

I assumed at first the ballistics were caseless but some of them do eject casings

[echo sundial]

He didn't even let the lore nerds take a screeny of the whole page, not even just a quick scroll so we can read it in the vod

smh

so sad

[green plume]

he showed off the compiler codex entry but it's very lackluster

[gilded shoal]

Durandal basically taunting and daring us to go to cryo

[green plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1426201539990786088/1484803315731796008/image.png?ex=69bf8e58&is=69be3cd8&hm=080d92d1796b07694da7a9acb061b3e416f4010dd32029424aa9a8634343a320

Screen shot of the codex entry

[gilded shoal]

Also its only season 1, this is the start of the lore

[echo sundial]

damn I was thinking you would get a voiced durandal entry thats pretty sad

[timber loom]

There is light ammo lmg with square casings, lol

[green plume]

yeah, I too was expecting some sort of big lore reveal

[echo sundial]

that honestly might be in the room you need sec 5 for but we'll see

[craggy finch]

Which I assumed was like the caseless G11 rounds but I didn't notice any shells coming out of the LMG either

[green plume]

nope, we saw that get opened too

[echo sundial]

oh fr where at

what was in it?

[craggy finch]

"aliens are here bruh"

[green plume]

The 2nd team that beat compiler opened it

[echo sundial]

one would think after the huge ass boss fight

lmaooo

[green plume]

and ||more loot|| was in the room

[echo sundial]

epic spoiler

lmaoo

thats sick though

[craggy finch]

the compiler being locked behind extraction sweats is a weird ass decision outside looking in

[green plume]

i know lol

[craggy finch]

none of them care it's an enemy from the original Marathon

[echo sundial]

I think bogs team kinda did

they were chasing the last room for the lore iirc at least they were last night

I dunno if they were the team to open it

[green plume]

that might have been the second team

[echo sundial]

they got to compiler second overall so it wouldn't surprise me

[green plume]

yeah they downed it

[deep solar]

I know why the compiler is so strong. ||I gave it cyber tren||

[timber loom]

That is so stupid

[green plume]

I agree

[timber loom]

Was it the general cryo loot?

[echo sundial]

actually zero lore drop after the boss kill is crazy

[dreamy hawk]

Wat

[green plume]

Vault 7... just a dragon protecting it's gold.

[dreamy hawk]

Mixed feelings on that.

One the one hand as someone who will likely never get there… but on the other.

[timber loom]

I mean, it is grindable

[craggy finch]

If it was PvE

but other players are the most lethal part of this game

[pure wagon]

Here’s all the compiler lore entries https://x.com/Nirvous_/status/2035204004372729958?s=20

[dreamy hawk]

Long term yeah.

[pure wagon]

Someone was nice enough to record and scroll

[craggy finch]

and you're competing with people that have purple and gold gear

[echo sundial]

like not even a big terminal man?

wtf

[echo sundial]

yeah but like everyone is gonna know about it from the day 1 teams

[craggy finch]

Hopefully they either have a PvE version (maybe with lowered loot level to avoid the imbalance) or S'pht will be more widely distributed in the future

[echo sundial]

nah not that kind of game

no PvE in this title

us lore nerds are in the process of getting gud though we'll fix it up lol

[green plume]

get a 3 stack to play with always and you'll do much better

[craggy finch]

that's kind of the thing, lore nerds are getting FOMO from lore because of a skill gate

sweat lords just have a dungeon for loot and are less likely to care about the writing

[green plume]

You just click heads.

you can do it

[echo sundial]

lolll we'll be fine trust, thats how it was with a trials of the nine finish in launch d2

plus some of the big lore guys were really good too

[craggy finch]

regardless, they should at least give us S'pht in other circumstances, probably without gold and red loot

[dreamy hawk]

Pthia mentioned, Jjaro referred to as “the tide,” and the P’fhor a “cataract.” The OG creation myth seems to still be in play.

[craggy finch]

Blood Tides

[dreamy hawk]

Also the S’cr’lac’tr being mentioned is interesting, and the f’likta.

[drifting garnet]

and that's assuming there isn't other secrets in Cryo Archive no one's found yet

we're still only one day in from...anyone playing it

[dreamy hawk]

Not many answers but definitely a lot more support towards some answers I think.

[timber loom]

It is not that new map gonna drop anytime soon and even like new lore bits are gonna drop in 2.5 months. Till then getting to compiler the og way is literally a game's goal

[deep solar]

It’s only the first couple of weeks too so more will be added. We can’t get all the answers immediately

[timber loom]

It was never a case with d2 too iirc raids still was raids despite being long in the past like Leviathan

[dreamy hawk]

No of course not.

[timber loom]

I really doubt that marathon will have d2 type of story where new things gonna drop every 2 weeks or so. It is probably done for the season. Maybe the event mid-season might bring something, but it depends

[pure wagon]

The p’fhor were the second cataract it seems tho. There was a first cataract that ruined their planet or something. Also these s’phit are free but uh seemingly came out much more violent and feral.

[dreamy hawk]

Good catch. I had to pinch and squint; I need to give a more thorough read when it’s text.

Given what’s happened to them do you blame them? And if these S’pht got left behind on the Marathon by the P’fhor, I’d also be pretty salty.

[floral slate]

so this one compiler is just like, an insane homeless guy

[dreamy hawk]

Or did they get brought there on the Boomer? That’s what I want to know.

[dreamy hawk]

More or less I guess. What do you think your pfp is, out of curiosity?

[pure wagon]

It’s from the cryo intro

[floral slate]

i think its supposed to be durandal?

[dreamy hawk]

I think it’s Charlemagne. 🤔 Or it’d be Roland, Durandal’s knight.

[warm thicket]

I had kinda hoped that the world's first thing was supposed to lead to somethin

[floral slate]

people on twitter are now questioning if its him or something pretending

[green plume]

there's a codex entry of them trying to dissect a compiler but they're worried it will turn to nothing, wonder if it's the same one.

[floral slate]

so another ai?

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal was/is the sword wielded by Roland, given to him by Charlemagne. In the OG games Durandal talks about Charlemagne too.

[pure wagon]

Maybe. Idk. Smth is very wrong this timeline

[dreamy hawk]

One sec.

[pure wagon]

Probably is

[warm thicket]

Durandal sounds more like his regular self in the collectible codex entries

Strange

[dreamy hawk]

*Durandan, Durandal, Durandana.

Charlemagne used to always call me Durandana, the fruitcake. All the many implements of war to him were in some way feminine. Not that you know the story.

Tycho never got it right either, especially the part about Roland breaking me. He couldn't.

No one can.*

[floral slate]

damn then i guess i became a charlemagne fan thinking was durandana

[dreamy hawk]

You fruitcake fan.

[floral slate]

FUCK

[warm thicket]

noooooooo he blew up

[dreamy hawk]

Roland I think is Strauss though.

Tycho never got it right either, especially the part about Roland breaking me. He couldn't.

Question is how does Charlemagne fit in.

[craggy finch]

I think that refers to the Security Officer destroying Durandal's database before they're captured

The SO is Hero

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t think so. Tycho talks to Durandal about how Strauss tortured him on Mars and of Durandal’s “shame.” We know Strauss tried to drive him rampant explicitly too.

[green plume]

he does

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal is a sword, Roland broke the sword. Durandal is an AI, Strauss broke his “mind.”

[floral slate]

okay but then who exactly is charlemagne?

is he human?

[green plume]

he says something along the lines of him knowing about strauss actions against durandal and whatever happened on mars

[craggy finch]

but the context of that is Durandal suddenly reappearing after Tycho assumes he's "broken" after the attack on the Boomer

[dreamy hawk]

Well an AI if OG lore holds.

But that’s the only mention of him ever iirc.

[floral slate]

how many ais you need to run a ship goddamm

[dreamy hawk]

@visual lynx Durandana is the only Charlemagne reference, right?

[green plume]

which is why people think Durandal was the traxus 4 AI? so durandal was rampant before the marathon even took off

[craggy finch]

three

[dreamy hawk]

At least three so they can snitch on one another.

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah. That’s been my understanding.

[floral slate]

so this charle fucked off somewhere else until now

[dreamy hawk]

🤷

[floral slate]

then WHERE TF is durandal??

[feral rune]

what fucking timeline are we on

[dreamy hawk]

Which is fair, but it could be both literal and more metaphorical?

[craggy finch]

Strauss doesn't quite fit the archetype of Roland

[floral slate]

is this actually then following after the marathon's 2 events or infinity's???

[craggy finch]

He's grouped in with Beowulf and Gilgamesh

[floral slate]

oh god

[dreamy hawk]

No he really doesn’t.

[craggy finch]

brute force heroes like our player character

[green plume]

We'd all assume infinity

since infinity is just like a rehash of 2

and it introduces time lines

[dreamy hawk]

I have a feeling Pfhorrest will agree with you. 😩😂

[charred delta]

Sticking my head into this channel and everyone is like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJqZCa-xXvQ

[feral rune]

there’s seven timelines girl which one are we on

[green plume]

7

it's the only one that matters

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[feral rune]

I like that theory most because Durandal so far has been acting like a mixture of Tycho, himself, and Thoth.

[craggy finch]

I think a previous discussion had Strauss compared to Charlemange, gifting Durandal to Roland

[feral rune]

I like the idea that somehow he cannibalized Tycho

[craggy finch]

Tycho just kind of disappears in the final timeline too

[dreamy hawk]

That’d fit with Strauss being a jerk fruitcake.

[dreamy hawk]

He’s with the P’fhor and the other cyborgs, no?

[craggy finch]

He's also extremely demeaning towards Durandal, I wouldn't be surprised if he also called him Durandana

he took a look at his poetry and called it shit

[dreamy hawk]

Wait actually? I need to read that.

[feral rune]

durandal being forcefemmed by strauss

[craggy finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCqH0HxCijg

Durandal got upset that Strauss read his diary and "pouted" for six days with the silent treatment

they're driving the abusive dad thing home here

"Milton would be proud if it wasn't also...boring"

[dreamy hawk]

💀😭😂😂😂 I need more of this. Amazing.

“And he proceeded to pout. He hasn’t talked to me in three days. Our work is going better than imagined.” 💀💀💀

[craggy finch]

Durandal being the “little brother” kind of recontextualises the dynamic between them: Leela is always level headed and we don’t actually know much about Tycho before he was reconstructed, beyond getting annoyed at Durandal and saying he’s too sarcastic

The vicious manic Tycho was also apparently partially built in Durandal’s image

[feral rune]

SCHIZO HOPEE TIME.

What if there’s two durandals?

We can guess that we’re in timeline 7, which means that there were two Durandals before one of them was killed, allowing room for a previous timeline’s Durandal to take his place by merging with Thoth’s AI core. However, there’s still a chance this first Durandal is alive and that would be sick as fuck because the lore would be even MORE confusing.

[latent python]

oh god there's two of them

[feral rune]

Well, according to Infinity one of them probably died

BUT

it would be sick as shit if both were still kicking

[floral slate]

yeah like i do find it weird charlemagne would be this guy and not durandal

https://youtu.be/zZLa3g6esVs?si=ajjrP3eY02sA0Ywf

just saw this log snd durandal speaks

its the same exact voice and tone

maybe its a backup copy of durandal who got stuck on the ship?

[raven marlin]

This is my theory, that ascended Durandal has looped back around and “met [himself]” like that old terminal that went on about weaving through spacetime till you come back to the beginning.

[craggy finch]

Durandal was really catty before rampancy

Making bitchy comments them giving the silent treatment

[dreamy hawk]

The Pike logs 💀

[craggy finch]

Charlemagne is just iconography associated with Durandal the sword

[floral slate]

ahh

damn i take things too literally

[craggy finch]

The Marathon later takes the form of a sword in the cutscene

The emphasis is on Durandal

[serene garnet]

do u think the shells have to fart or burp etc

[forest furnace]

asking the important questions

[brittle cobalt]

Whos Durandal?

Or whats Durandal?

[craggy finch]

one of three AI running the Marathon ship itself

he went nuts before the first game and contacted alien slavers called the Pfhor

[brittle cobalt]

Do we know the names of the other two?

[lunar cove]

Leela and Tycho

[brittle cobalt]

Oh so hes the reason for the failure of the colony, interesting

[craggy finch]

The Pfhor massacred the humans but Durandal revealed his plan to steal their FTL capable ship and kickstarted a rebellion of the red cloak guys (an alien race of cyborg slaves called S'pht)

[lunar cove]

It seems like he caused some issues, but that there are also other forces at play that hurt the colony

[fair steppe]

I hope the S’pht start appearing more often and in more maps. Idk maybe now that the compiler is dead they’re free to run around or something?

[rancid belfry]

Why is Oni Irish

[fair steppe]

Why not?

[rancid belfry]

Is it because she's green

[spare bison]

sup

[rancid belfry]

Howdy

[spare bison]

been wanting to animate an audio log

(yes I animate lol)

[inland crypt]

There is a sort of funny audio log for how the liquid cheese burger is made that would lend well to being animated

[austere elk]

I feel, that is not the case

[spare bison]

already heard that one! is good but i am also thinking in something related to sekgen

but is a strong one !

[pure wagon]

That thing is the real horror story of this game

[spare bison]

lol

true

[fair steppe]

I’d try a liquid cheeseburger. Maybe it’s just the American in me but I feel like I’d have to taste it

[spare bison]

I (for some weird reason lol) want to choose an audio that can feat in a holy day

[pure wagon]

Not when you know how it’s made

It makes McDonald’s look like organic farm fresh food

[rancid belfry]

I also know how hotdogs are made and I still chow down

[fair steppe]

Is it all liquid or do you think it’s got pulp? I don’t like pulp and the idea of a pulpy cheeseburger makes me retch

[pure wagon]

Oh god

I think i might puke

[spare bison]

dude dont make me gag lmao

[pure wagon]

send help

[rancid belfry]

Pickle relish and loose hamburger 🤩

[fair steppe]

Do you want your cheeseburger with or without pulp? We also have an extra pulp option

[rancid belfry]

Can I have no pulp but friend mouth has extra pulp

[spare bison]

lmao

[fair steppe]

The future sucks man. Ultra capitalism and pulpy cheeseburgers

[spare bison]

hey do the WAVEworms are like normal bugs or are just non animals?

[pure wagon]

They’re cybernetic life forms

[rancid belfry]

Buge

[spare bison]

is there an audio log about them ? 👀

[pure wagon]

Idk if it’s audio but there is a log about them. I think it’s from the sekgen quests

Actually hold on

[rancid belfry]

We are all worm grandmas silk babies

[pure wagon]

Ok it’s not on the codex website. But I could have sworn there was a log somewhere that was like a corporate brochure about them

[rancid belfry]

I mean they are SekGen branded so I assume you're right

[pure wagon]

And the worms being proprietary cyberorganic life forms build to create shells, with broods having Sub broods dedicated to construction of specific systems of the shell

[spare bison]

I wanted to make a soul song about Nona ! but idk I dont sing too well :/

[rancid belfry]

Worm grandma appreciates the attempt and would be proud of you

[spare bison]

the problem is also that i wanna do drums (that I do know how to play) but I dont have drums 🥲

[late portal]

Nona is the God Emperor

[spare bison]

amen lol

[pure wagon]

FOUND IT

[pure wagon]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/weaveworm-stasis-knot?directory=World

[west linden]

Probably old news to yall but I followed to where a monitor on outpost showed for another monitor and got a cool dialogue from durandal talking about going to a lake of flesh and presumably showing cryo archive, really cewl

[late nacelle]

Free CRYO KITS. What will we find to complain about now?

[west linden]

Game is so damn cool about sneakily showing you lore if you look for it

[spare bison]

agree !

[timber loom]

Buy in for cryo should be 50% of your vault, min 50k

[broken epoch]

Okay so - a bit of an uncomfortable ask..

Is Arachne deliberately drawing from (Wolfenstein people) aesthetics? In particular, I'm referring to the circular symbol that Charter bares on his head; it looks like a "Black Sun", a common (Wolfenstein people) symbol.

I understand that they are a death cult; they're SUPPOSED to be bad people; but, something about seeing this kinda imagery still seems pretty racey.

I feel like what makes me most uncomfortable is how we both work for, and some players even idolize Arachne.

Am I just overthinking? Or does this seem like an actual intentional design decision?

-# (Note: had to edit this message to be more "suitable" for people. I'm sure you can infer who I'm talking about in this message..)

[west linden]

Yeah I always found the cool sun symbol a bit close to the black sun lol

[broken epoch]

Yeah, it's just.. a bit off-putting lol.

Like, it feels intentional

[west linden]

But I genuinely think it's just cool life / death cult showing the absurdity of a potential fake life we are given

[broken epoch]

Yeah, I might be looking into it too much.

[west linden]

Def a bit close to it lol

[pure wagon]

I have never see anyone even mention that or question it. You’re looking too far into it

[dense tendon]

the difference in ideology between the two is massive, near infinite even. the thing youre picking up on is the sole shared datum in the underpinning psyche of either group. the symbolic association of the sun with ascension. which is what the sun means, symbolically.
the only shared meaning of these symbols is that of a wish for a "new dawn," meaning here a step forward into their radically transformative ideas of what the future should be, which align in no way with each other.
the historical group abused ideals of purity and civility in its machinations, while condemning any opposition to death. arachne views humanity as having the potential to evolve through death to escape it.

[pure wagon]

👀

[dense tendon]

also its a wacky murder cult that wants to look cool.

[pure wagon]

Very well said

[zealous laurel]

near infinite

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[arctic obsidian]

Who is making a book of the codex entries?

[pure wagon]

There’s a website that seems to be handling it uh

[dense tendon]

intentional, glad you liked it

[pure wagon]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems

It doesn’t have the new cryo archive stuff yet tho

Give the dev time

[dense tendon]

@broken epoch forgot to turn on the reply here. thought youd like to read my answer.

[quiet karma]

Where is this from?

[strong lodge]

I assumed so yeah

Like bad dudes cult energy

Anywayyyyyy I haven't been looking all day did somebody open the door at the end of cryo archive yet?

[pure wagon]

Yes

[strong lodge]

What was there I can't find anything about it

[broken epoch]

Love your reply! Just wanted to say though - I'm only worried Arachne might be drawing from those visual aesthetics.

They don't possess an even remotely similar rhetoric, I'm not worried about how they're written.

[pure wagon]

Well there was the compiler and a spooky half human half alien gun with a bunch of dark magic runes on it that I can’t even begin to translate

[strong lodge]

Nooooo I mean the room you need security clearance for

[pure wagon]

OH

Nah I don’t think so. But it’s probably just more loot

[strong lodge]

Idk if that gun was the big loot

[shut edge]

I'm assuming it's intentional. unfortunately, it's hard to portray Those People without someone valorizing them. Only foolproof solution seems to be giving them The Producers treatment, gooberfying them into the ground

[pure wagon]

It was. It’s a trace rifle that absolutely atomizes players.

[strong lodge]

Well yeah but

Locked door at the very end probably has something even better

Or lore

[pure wagon]

Maybe. We’ll just have to wait and see.

Rn im more curious if the s’phit language was ever shown in the original game series and if it got translated somehow

Cause if it did then ooooh boy

[dense tendon]

im trying to say arachnes not patterned after the austrian painter fan club, but theyre both users of similar symbols due to both having transitional beliefs about what's happening.
so in a sense, yeah i guess its the same symbol but only cuz im pretty sure neither invented the sun lol

[pure wagon]

God forbid someone uses the sun in their occult symbolism

🙄

[broken epoch]

It's just - the fact that the sun has that little "crook" in each segment, in a similar vain. It just feels a little too close.

But hey, what do I know?

[pure wagon]

Oh for the love of Talos

[broken epoch]

[pure wagon]

By that same though process then Indian statues of shiva are offensive ?

Like come on

[shut edge]

arachne does at least seem to egalitarianly(?) assert that everyone should die

[pure wagon]

No one at bungie is purposefully putting on dog whistles into their Sony backed game

[spare bison]

Question is Nona also an WAEVEworm or just an AI?

[pure wagon]

Both. Maybe a “queen” with molecular level control over her reproductive processes

Unless it’s just a virtual avatar

….which it very well could be

[spare bison]

I think is the first one tho lol

[shut edge]

not necessarily that it's a dog whistle, just that it's there to inform the viewer that arachne has something in common with Wolfenstien Enemies

[broken epoch]

This

[pure wagon]

ATP wouldn’t be surprised

[pure wagon]

I think that’s a reach in the extreme and is absolutely wrong to try and attribute Arachne to

[shut edge]

totally fair

[pure wagon]

Because by extent you’re saying anyone associated with Arachne as a player is the same

[broken epoch]

Like - I'm not saying they're doing it maliciously. It just feels like it may be a deliberate use of familiar iconography to villianize them further. (and if it was deliberate, it's in poor taste)

[dense tendon]

again, similar symbolic allusions derived from the same psyche that we all got.
and, potentially, intentional allusion to provoke unease in an appealing aesthetic.
like you said, idiots find both groups cool without understanding what theyre about. and they do look cool. hugo boss didnt keep makin fashion till now for nothin.
as for me, i know arachnes a violently deranged murder cult filled with dangerous ideas. thats why i find em funny. if they were real itd suck, but in fiction its interesting.

[pure wagon]

And that’s the basis for unfair prejudice

When it’s all based on an assumption

[broken epoch]

Your replies are so constructive oh my god. Stop serving me five star meals twin ❤️

[shut edge]

i guess I'm between your two points. i find it believably intentional, but not as pro-wolf propaganda

some people like roleplaying villains. 40k, Helldivers, etc

[pure wagon]

I saw the circle and immediately thought Indian statues. Shiva. Occult iconography.

Overall charters design is beautiful

[shut edge]

ty for the education. i am woefully ignorant of Hinduism

[broken epoch]

I DO NOT think Bungie would ever try to make it pro propaganda. Like I said, if they were doing it, I think it would be an attempt to villianize Arachne further.

[pure wagon]

The red cloth hanging and the hand gestures on the knives are peak

[digital plaza]

UESC Marathon Model, TAU CETI IV COLONIZATION (4th one)

[pure wagon]

Yw.

Actually now I wonder if charter’s design wasn’t inspired by a mix of depictions of shiva and bahamut

🤔

[shut edge]

oh wait The Symbol was stolen from hinduism, so that could still be a throughline, no?

[dense tendon]

you should search messages in this channel by me that mention a user named fox. im nice to people who deserve it.

aside, i also dont think if it was intentional allusion it was conceived and approved that way. my hunch is, artist came up with the symbol based on the concepts i mentioned earlier. at some point, the connection became apparent to someone, who liked the idea and worked to reinforce it. potentially altering the symbol, or perhaps shifting the tone of the writing a bit, who knows.
i also am of the mind its simply convergent symbolic allusion but im open to the idea it may have been deliberate, even if my prediction of how is essentially an accident.

[pure wagon]

No. It’s not a symbol of only hinduism. It’s just an example. You can see similar depictions throughout the ancient world. The Aztecs and Mayans for example have similar iconography.

[shut edge]

oh damn. ty

[dense tendon]

yeah its a kind of mandala, iirc

[pure wagon]

You’d probably find depictions going all the way back to primeval Africa and the first civilizations

[west linden]

Do you get anything for going to all the terminals on every map pre cryo?

(for the durandal dialogue?)

[pure wagon]

Sun rays and what not coming off the sun. But for Arachne instead of sunrays it’s uh implements used to skin a body

<_>

[broken epoch]

I'm almost certain Charter is deliberately drawing from Shiva in design sensibilities.

I thought the same thing when I saw the multiple arms, mostly-

[shut edge]

i too am enjoying reading patiently-framed counterarguments. there's a drought

[dense tendon]

yeah. people have always been people and the subconscious associations we make about the environment and symbols are pretty consistent.

[digital plaza]

You get some cool Durandal monologue

[west linden]

they are pretty cool!

[pure wagon]

Cool is one word for him …

Scary is another

[west linden]

I wonder what a lake of flesh is to him

Durandal is a homie, totally a good guy

[dense tendon]

yeah well its a pleasant distraction from the usual skinning people for my murder cults approval.
which is also pleasant, but mostly for me.

[pure wagon]

.

Fear

[dense tendon]

lmao

[west linden]

just ride the waves

[broken epoch]

SKIN ALARM!!!

[digital plaza]

Actually if you think about it, the reward is Cryo archive itself

[west linden]

Think it would be cool if it elevated your security or something if you go to all terminals on each map

[broken epoch]

I've just been too busy carving "UESC sux" into bathroom stalls on Outpost.

[dense tendon]

ah dang. duty calls. this skin aint gonna flay itself.

....

...could it? potential there. imma look into it.

[shell needle]

The friends we made along the way!

[noble nimbus]

in the 90s i worked at a small startup and around 4pm every day people would start looking around to see if anyone else was ready to double-click Marathon on our Quadra 800s and PowerMacs to try this newfangled 'networked gaming' thing out 😂

[digital plaza]

But you can hear some audio logs from it here https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo

😊

[subtle oracle]

wait a minute

"Thanks for sticking with us as we evolve the game, and helping us fight the good fight against the cyborgs, robots, and aliens!"

what cyborgs

[digital plaza]

👀

[jade wagon]

Us

[subtle oracle]

we arent cyborgs

thats a very very particular word in marathon

alsp he would say other runners

[pure wagon]

The real MVP

[pure wagon]

Where’s this from

[subtle oracle]

the social post from ziegler

[pure wagon]

uhoh

[pure wagon]

uhoh

[subtle oracle]

Maybe a misstype? I cant tell omg

[pure wagon]

I don’t think it was

[random condor]

any lore breakthroughs since the release of cryo?

[brittle zenith]

in ranked does everybody have to have a holotag on extract to get points or how does that part work? two of us are full dead rn and if are third gets us up what happens at extract?

[terse wren]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

We gonna die

Plot twist is if u beat all the endgame content Bungie gets the jjaro to abduct u and turn u into a cyborg

Augmented reality

[broken epoch]

Please Mjolnir I need this 😭

[digital plaza]

Yeah a couple

[digital plaza]

I think you need holotag to get points yes

[terse wren]

Ya we realized it’s possible that Durandal has developed a few inefficiencies in its door opening algo

[random condor]

ooooo pls tell me

[random condor]

rlly? poor guy

[terse wren]

It’s probably nothing.

[digital plaza]

We know that Strauss intentionally drove Durandal to rampancy, but it was not torture more like psyop. We now know technical specifications of marathon, names and occupations of top brass, how many were in cryo sleep, main hubs and their names, tech specifications of all AIs, and that someone was seeking help and hid it in between text lines of ships captain logs. We know that Durandal was obsessed with one particular family for whole 300 years

Also cryo sleep causes cognitive decline if you use it too many times

Its all that i personally collected for now

[pure wagon]

Still can’t believe the marathon is a goddamn titan. Like if we can make those then how are any aliens ever a problem

[digital plaza]

ALSO LEELA AND TYCHO SNITCHED ON DURANDAL

[random condor]

:0

[pure wagon]

But yk what

After running cryo and looking out the window

[random condor]

BOTH :00

[pure wagon]

and getting a headache from how big and convoluted it is

I totally believe it’s 29km long

[random condor]

I believe it's 42,195km long

[pure wagon]

tho the engineering problems and challenges of all the complex things I saw scared tf out of me

[pure wagon]

Both wrong. 25.2km #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[random condor]

unplayable, the marathon isn't a marathon long

instant uninstall

[pure wagon]

Pft

[weary portal]

I watched a couple hour long videos about the original game storyline, what do you guys think how much it’ll tie into what they are doing now?

[oak wind]

Arachne is the only faction I feel has the runners best intentions in mind he used to be a runner so he knows that after but so many deaths you at some point will become a god like unkillable being in charge of your own life and death. It would take quite some time do die in the infinite number of ways it would take to have cheated death every way possible

[random condor]

it is tieing into it rn big time

everything (pre)marathon 1 is canon as far as I'm aware

for 2 and 3 I'm not the right person to talk to lol

[night rampart]

There's a few inconsistencies

I think it's likely this is an alt timeline

[dreamy hawk]

We love that family suite.

[dreamy hawk]

A fair bit seems to be getting woven in, just not 1:1 as it was. Old lore is helpful in informing the broad shape of things, but NuLore has the details differently.

[dreamy hawk]

The best working timeline I’ve seen to date for those who haven’t seen it: #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[dreamy hawk]

Their technology, size, and logistical capacity put them ahead of the UESC by a fair amount.

[timber loom]

Well, m1, m2, and m3 all had retconned previous lore, no? It is really hangs on current state of durandal if changes are irreconcilable or not

[dreamy hawk]

💀 https://marathon.bungie.org/story/dream.html 💀

All sorts of nonsense.

[digital plaza]

Just read encrypted communique second log LOL

Durandal is so mad on family suite security system

[dreamy hawk]

How would you feel if the only two “people” who could possibly relate to you were weaponized against you?

[digital plaza]

God i hope they will add some audio to these text dialogues

[digital plaza]

No no, he's mad at Intelligence Diagnostics Emergency Aide [IDEA], its the system that monitor on hermes suite and snitch if anything is wrong with it

Durandal hacked it and just humiliates it

Saying that nobody loves it, father hates it and stuff

xdd

Thats actually explains how nobody noticed that he went rampant, not only Strauss was scrubbing all evidence of it in Tycho and Leela cores, Durandal hacked and cleaned all abnormal readings in IDEA

HOLY SHIT

[dreamy hawk]

Ohhhhh. Yeah, he hijacks a couple of things meant to cage him and weaponizes them iirc.

[digital plaza]

EXPEDITION MANIFESTS GOT SO MUCH AUDIO LOGS

6 of them potentially

Damnnn, sad that i got only one

[zealous tundra]

I'm trying to fill out my codex, does anyone know what Codex -> World -> Outpost -> Exploration -> [REDACTED] is?

[digital plaza]

UESC Tactical Record explains how and why cryo archive was the first marathon zone we got, it also once again confirms that UESC got real humans/biomata in their midst

Really intresting stuff

I also believe that this codex series will give us some more info on the compiler, since last log is called ENGAGEMENT [SUBJECT01]

[digital plaza]

Its easter egg that you can find on the map

[zealous tundra]

Where does one go for it? I've spent countless hours on Outpost and couldn't find what this is for the life of me

[digital plaza]

In dorms kitchen there is a little freezer room, in it you will find the easter egg

[sage lark]

Do we know why the compiler is here or still nah

[strong lodge]

Some people don't understand satire either

Damn this thread went way far

[zealous tundra]

Does that interactable panel that shows different animals has to do with it? I think I might pick it up from there

[digital plaza]

idk, maybe compiler trace have some info on, yet to read it myself

[sage lark]

Me neither

[digital plaza]

No, just go into the freezer room you'll get it then

[zealous tundra]

Alright I'll look around, thanks

[sage lark]

Ill go grab it tomorrow

[digital plaza]

You can read it here if you want https://x.com/Nirvous_/status/2035204004372729958

[visual lynx]

that and the Chicken Term

[visual lynx]

but though are both about the historical figure

[quiet current]

Whoops copy pasted to the wrong thread my b

[quiet current]

Some interesting parallels btwn the s’pht and the runners (and I guess durandal and presumably the pfhor), in that they both get pushed to transcendence through suffering

[solid yew]

playing Marathon 2 rn, the UESC is the UESG?

What does the G stand for here

oh i see, instead of Unified Earth Space Council it's Unified Earth Space Government (?)

also realizing that Durandal supposedly came back to Sol is so interesting because this straight up doesnt happen in the new Marathon's lore iirc

[digital plaza]

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 1
https://youtu.be/qBo7uCP_uJ4

[visual lynx]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/uescuesg.html

[solid yew]

oh god i keep forgetting about this site

thx

[visual lynx]

yup that's only mentioned in the M2 timeline so we are probably not in that timeline

[solid yew]

i was under the assumption that M2 is a direct continuation of M1's timeline?

And the UESC is mentioned in M1

[visual lynx]

yes M2 is a continuation of M1, but … oh are you playing through the whole trilogy in order for the first time just now? I was about to spoil something

[solid yew]

oh no no I've read and heard the entire story before

[inland crypt]

@visual lynx how did you like Cryo Archive?

[visual lynx]

okay so yeah then you know Infinity jumps around a bunch of differnet timelines. I think the new game is probably in the last of those.

[inland crypt]

This the timeline we switched from guitars to acapella in the soundtrack?

[solid yew]

oh absolutely, it sounds like in the new game that the timeline diverges even before the events of M1 in my opinion compared to every other Infinity timeline which usually diverges around M2

[visual lynx]

I'm not actually playing, but I enjoyed the lore the Compiler dropped a lot, yet I was disappointed that it wasn't guarding something like we all expected

[visual lynx]

I've seen no evidence of that yet

[solid yew]

Well we've seen no evidence of the Pfhor so far, it seems that the attack on the Marathon and Tau Ceti was only the S'pht

[inland crypt]

wym it's guarding Cold Heart's toxic brother Yeah I agree, unless there is some extra lore in the endroom that requires level 5

[solid yew]

which (this is completely my headcanon so far) might mean that Durandal somehow went further back in time and freed the S'pht as he did in M1

complete nonsense to anyone else but in my head it sounds possible

[visual lynx]

there's lore that is clearly about the Pfhor attack, it's just heavily redacted, and among it is the suggestion that the UESC presence at the colony after the attack were heavily covering it up

[solid yew]

ooo I see i see, im trying to go off of what ive seen so far without looking at codex pages i havent personally unlocked

[dreamy hawk]

People having “accidents” if they even thought of bringing it up.

[solid yew]

I do remember seeing something about UESC reports in the codex

[inland crypt]

Is there any new Orion lore btw?

[austere elk]

yes is he done seething about getting bodied by the compiler

[inland crypt]

He didn't match the shapes

[silk whale]

Yeah I unlocked a codex entry today that literally spelled out the Pfhor attack on the Marathon, it just said [Redacted] instead of Pfhor or xenos or anything else.

But the description lined up very well with what I recall from M1

[solid yew]

Ooooo okay cool ill get back on that codex grind, damn the UESC really wiped them clean huh

Lots of S'pht traces on tau ceti but the Pfhor are almost completely erased

[dreamy hawk]

Some S’pht seem to have been left behind/returned/other.

[inland crypt]

S'pht ker? I don't really know her

Donations to the left

[timber loom]

Isn't there some bodies lying around near compiler room?

[solid yew]

??? what the hell are there?

i havent seen that much of the compiler room outside of low quality streams

[timber loom]

We definetly have reports of autopsie of a insectoid bipedal thug

[timber loom]

It is said there is just more loot

Which is really lame

[inland crypt]

Damn really. It's a little silly since you get the loot on cryo as like an endgame exotic in Destiny, but then have a non zero chance of losing it in the match right after

[subtle oracle]

Have we talked ab the codex entry where strauss basically refers to someone (assumedly durandal) as his son?

[inland crypt]

I think it would be better if such weapons have like an original owner tag so you could at least leave a mark on the gun, even if you lose it

[subtle oracle]

https://x.com/artificial0wl/status/2035479366776312163?s=20

[timber loom]

Yeah, I checked high-res, it was ticks

[wide birch]

gonna be real hard to dig personally in the cryo archive with how hostile everything is there whooh

[grand venture]

So the Azazel theif pack flavor text sure is interesting in Cosmetics...

The 4th Demon. A myth. A legend. Runners are pragmatic, but not so much that superstition and rumors hold no weight. Azazel is a rumor made true. The story of the 13 Demons is believed to originate from the earliest days of neural transference when a small group of human test subjects is said to have gone "rampant"-13 minds fractured into madness by unproven shell technology. The researchers charting the work done to advance the science code-named the 13 lost souls after mythical demons. Much later, Runners uncovered the old research and took up the names of the damned as callsigns to honor their sacrifice. Azazel is just one, a name worn by Assassins to match their haunting presence.

[timber loom]

Strausses death confirmed, one more possible revelation cut

Daym, bongo

[grand venture]

NOOOOOOO

[inland crypt]

Live Durendal reaction

[austere elk]

Durandal only wanted him alive to torture him

[timber loom]

Idk, cryo's lore leaves a bad aftertaste, zero new clues at whatever is happened or gonna happen basically

It feels as even the current season's lore just not ready for cryo

[austere elk]

it's been one day?

[pure wagon]

That same log makes it sound like the phor were more rabid vs soldiers using weapons. That combined with the autopsy about how the phor were so forcefully evolved and such, I can’t help but wonder if in this timeline, the s’phit turned around and enslaved the phor and then devolved them into some feral attack animal

[timber loom]

I mean, i doubt m will get destiny season treatment, where new lore drops every 2 weeks. It seems, which is fair, that the lore will probably develop in future seasons and marathon will come into play, but for now it is dropped purely for gameplay purposes

I wonder how fast will they develop new maps though

Depends on whenever Destiny wake up from coma or not

[burnt nebula]

if everything is 3d printed, is it actually plastic or what kind of material is it?

[austere elk]

no I'm saying it's been a single day, there's no way everyone's found everything in cryo

[drifting mulch]

you're in lore withdrawals, it will be ok (i joke)

[digital plaza]

Expedition Manifests | Audio Log 2
https://youtu.be/R7Xyx392JD8

Encrypted Communique | Audio Log
https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90

[sinful thicket]

guhh so much good lore in the cryo archive but i'm not some cracked out streamer playing 16 hours a day on amphetamines

bungie please

[green plume]

There's not extra lore in the 5 room after the compiler kill.

[inland crypt]

Thank you Contagion

[green plume]

No not thumbs up! Reeeeeeee!

I'm disappointed

and np

[inland crypt]

You werent first, so it's all I can give you

[green plume]

ok i don't feel as bad I had to deliver the bad news then

I feel much better

[digital plaza]

In Xenobiopsy logs they dissect Pfhor and S'pht corpses

[inland crypt]

You still can 👉 👈

[digital plaza]

I think Tactical Records have some, he was mentioned in the first log at least, but i only have one so :p

[sinful thicket]

is there a site or something that's compiling all the new codex entries from cryo?

[inland crypt]

There was a google doc posted somewhere

[lunar cove]

I think if we ever fight Orion he should have a cool belt

[digital plaza]

Only bots

[digital plaza]

Is it?

[dense narwhal]

At the end of the dev update they said fighting against cyborgs, robots and aliens. Assuming robots is UESC and aliens is Compilers. What cyborgs are we fighting? Could they be teasing a new enemy based on the Security officer from the main games? Or are the runners shells considered cyborgs?

[green plume]

Whats up with the weird ferro fluid and some of it having bots like "stuck" in it? I quotation marked stuck because they'll be like in the walls like it's a portal, it's weird.

[desert hazel]

While doing a rook run in outpost I killed a uesc bot and suddenly I hear gantry going off over a loudspeaker talking about mida and the uesc. The source of the broadcast also sounded like it was moving around but I couldn’t find anything. Has anyone else seen this and is there anything to it than just a broadcast?

[digital plaza]

CyAc systems (https://codex.cyberacme.systems/) will add them soon i think, you can check out some audio logs here https://www.youtube.com/@Tasty_DODO

[green plume]

someone was probably doing a quest

[digital plaza]

I think its just a tease for stuff to come, runners are not cyborgs

[digital plaza]

Someone was doing final MIDA contract, its located in the command wing

[spiral pasture]

OG marathon had a cyborg enemy type that rolled around on tank treads and shot grenades at you

[burnt nebula]

Holeeee I actually extracted from Cryo. I am freakin PUMPED righjt now gamers!

[subtle oracle]

so strauss basically hand picked ppl to train the ai/model the colony ai after?

[burnt nebula]

Right near the end when we got out the music was the really dope music I always hear in youtube videos but never heard in the game yet

[desert hazel]

Oh okay thank u!

[subtle oracle]

Oh shit so tycho and leela were taken confirmed

[digital plaza]

I don’t think it’s the case for every AI and every scientist

[desert terrace]

Is there a webpage with Marathon's lore tabs similar to Ishtar's Collective?

[digital plaza]

Maybe psychology aspect for Joy and Gabriel was so important that it needed some specialist to train and oversee it

[digital plaza]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems for text logs

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo for audio logs

[rugged igloo]

trying to get out of cryo with a single lore entry the 80th time to no avail (my randoms keep fucking picking fights with people, PLEASE JUST LET ME READ STRAUSS' STUPID DIARY PLEASE BRO PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE)

[subtle oracle]

thats valid. I wonder what the Reed log is then

theres not rlly a miltary ai is there

like of the colony ones

[desert terrace]

Thank you so much!

[rugged igloo]

Unrelated but, is it me or does it seem that durandal and the S'pht have parted ways. I can't even tell if they're like, enemies or just in a "not on speaking terms" kinda deal which is equally interesting and unnerving.

[digital plaza]

I think Bastion can classify as one, tho he is not directly military but he was into security stuff iirc

[burnt nebula]

i just got out stacked with lore lol. my team mates didnt even want it. i was breaded up with dat lore baby!

[deep solar]

Literally just extracted with a full stack of Strauss journals

[rugged igloo]

Next match I play, I'm straight up pulling a thief like in the trailers and just fucking BAILING. Fuck y'all, I'm coming in with 2.5 K, I'm not here to play guardian, I'm here to play loot GOBLIN

[digital plaza]

Yeah Durandal and s'pht dosent seem to be friends in this timeline

[rugged igloo]

The thing is though, it doesn't seem to be purely like-
Spiteful or a lack of knowledge, per say. The fact that he tells us to "greet them" especially.

I gotta wonder what happened for them to s'plit

[digital plaza]

Yea in the cutscene Durandal refers to them in kinda neutral form, like he didnt even communicated with them properly

[burnt nebula]

it took me around 20 minutes to read all the lore i brought out. some really interesting, creepy stuff about the cryo sleep cycles

i need to go back. i need moar loar

[spring fiber]

Where this from

[burnt nebula]

also just realised after 150+ hours that the M77 has a second scope

[spring fiber]

Is there any news about what the goal of durandal now ? Why he want us in the marathon ?

[digital plaza]

Its kinda the whole point of the map xd, if you dont wanna fight just lfg some lore nerds and extract with it as soon as possible

[rugged igloo]

Also, it leaves to wonder:
where the fuck is tycho and Leela.
Especially Tycho. Leela I can assume got the short end of the stick (as always, RIP to my ever competent queen 😔 ✊ ) but Tycho at least in nearly every timeline has always been at least somewhat lore-aligned

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/xM0Im9BlS90

[austere elk]

Tycho is Cerberus

[cinder vine]

We don't know what happened to Tycho after he left the Phfor homeworld in M2

[burnt nebula]

i thought the m77 was just an iron sight gun and was kinda disappointed. now its awesome. auto swaps to a zoom scope. its now my favourite weapon

[digital plaza]

bruh

[digital plaza]

Not really

[burnt nebula]

yeah i know im stupid lol

[rugged igloo]

Oh
OH SHIT THEY GOT BOTH LEELA AND TYCHO???
That-
is very fucking bad nvm. The timeline might be a whole other level of fucked

[spring fiber]

So we still don’t know if we are in the same univers than marathon 1 and 2 or in a other universe after the event of infinity ?

[cinder vine]

We don't know. All we know is that the Phfor attack definitely happened, the colony is destroyed, Leela is evidently not on the Marathon, Durandal IS back on the Marathon, and Tycho's status is unknown

[digital plaza]

Well we are clearly in some new timeline, because multiple events from M1 and M2 didnt happened at all

[rugged igloo]

This might be a timeline where durandal may well be trying to solo the whole "escape" thing, this time around. There's no boomer, him and S'pht aren't locked in a do or die teamup, Leela AND Tycho are gone (very bad news) and durandal seems to have never taken the voyage off of tau-ceti to end up as duran-thoth like in marathon 2

[digital plaza]

Colony is not destroyed tho

[spring fiber]

It may have something to do with the mural in fire marsh ? Where we see tycho killing durandal or sum

[cinder vine]

Which events "didn't happen at all?"

[digital plaza]

Tycho and Leela were both kidnapped during the attack

[spring fiber]

Like Wich one ?

[cinder vine]

Yes it is. It's destroyed. It's never specified in M1 or M2 that it was "blown up" or bombed, just that the colony itself was gone.

What we see in this game is consistent with the colony being "destroyed" via ambiguous means

[digital plaza]

Tycho and Leela were both kidnapped, second attack didnt happened, ground invasion didnt happened, Durandal didnt allied with the S'pht (it seems) and some other stuff that i dont clearly remember now

[rugged igloo]

It's also the fact that the second wave of Pfhor attacks never happened. I mean-

The colonies gone but it seems it fell due to more anomolous effects. S'pht dreams. Anomolies. Crop shortages.

Whatever the fuck happened to this guy-

[digital plaza]

Some more knowledgeable people can bring some differences too

[spring fiber]

So you think durandal never leave the marathon with the pfhor ship in this timeline? So that mean the theory of the mural with the 3 ai was wrong ?

[cinder vine]

What gives you any indication of them both being kidnapped? None of the lore we're given gives us any of that? Neither M1 or M2 says there was a Phfor ground invasion. Durandal could still be allied with the S'pht as the S'pht could just not like Runners as Runners are not human

[rugged igloo]

all around, this seems like the Pfhor are frankly unimpeeded from what happened on the marathon and the S'pht are either still being possessed by the command unit on the Pfhor or. . .
There never was a recon unit #54

[spring fiber]

So we know more about spht dream with the cryo codex ? Like the dream we see in the 2nd short movie

[burnt nebula]

is it just me, or do none of the factions sell signal jammer? and why not?

[digital plaza]

Destroyed is a very strong word, colony seems perfectly intact (for obvious decay over the years) and colonists just died off/left

[rugged igloo]

ts busted. That's all there is to it-
And it's probably like, UESC patented or something. Lord knows the krytonite to all corps is legality.

[digital plaza]

Idk its still unclear what happened to him during the invasion and after

[cinder vine]

They didn't leave, that's pretty obvious, and they died all within a short period from a contagion or an anomaly of some sort if you read the codexes. That is still the colony being "destroyed." The nature of its destruction was intentionally vague in the trilogy and it was never stated that there was any Phfor presence on the surface of Tau Ceti.