📚marathon-lore-discussion

[distant palm]

not actually

but they both shoot slow heat-seeking projectiles

[autumn surge]

oh the bees

couldnt u technically have an entire lobby just 12man it?

[distant palm]

theoretically yes

but that relies on everyone being willing to work together

[digital plaza]

OMG

OH MY GOD

THEY KILLED HIM

[echo sundial]

WORLDS FIRST!!!!!!!!!!

[green plume]

ITS DONE

[digital plaza]

YOOOO

[echo sundial]

WORLDS FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[autumn surge]

id assume thats how youd do runs normally

[sterile seal]

Link?

[digital plaza]

LETS GOO

[autumn surge]

everyone kills compiler first and then fight over who gets to extract

[echo sundial]

https://www.twitch.tv/tyraxe

[digital plaza]

OOOOOO

OOOO

RED WEAPON

[echo sundial]

HOLY SHITTTT

RED LOOT

HOLY FUCKKK

[distant palm]

COMPILER IS DOWN

[autumn surge]

yey

[distant palm]

THEY PUT A TRACE RIFLE IN THE GAME.

😭

[echo sundial]

BRO i WANNA BLAST A MFER ON PERIM WITH THE COMPILER GUN

[twin trout]

prismatic lens..

laser tag,.,..,

[sterile seal]

They did a little oopsie doodle lol

[echo sundial]

BRO NO WAY

LMAOOOO

[sterile seal]

Looks like there's gonna be another worlds first lol

[distant palm]

its like 24:02 all over again.....

[echo sundial]

THEY DID IT

FULL EXFIL

[digital plaza]

gg

[subtle oracle]

Is that supposed to be the og alien gun?

[echo sundial]

Maybe so?

[subtle oracle]

7777

[echo sundial]

I am begging these guys to show their codex entries

I'm begging

[sterile seal]

Funny how blue and purple are actually the middle tiers

[echo sundial]

I'm not sure im ever reading that shit in my own codex lmao

[twin trout]

lore will make me knowledgeable

[green plume]

I bet behind the level 5 door is the big story reveal

[subtle oracle]

I wanna see if this weapon melts

[subtle oracle]

thats what im assuming

[echo sundial]

that gun should be the best weapon 1000%

[subtle oracle]

bungie always does that shit

[sterile seal]

World's first finishing the damn level still out there

[echo sundial]

I should sneeze on someone with that gun and they should disintegrate lol

[strong lodge]

It genuinely seems like the high level players don't give a fuck about the lore or the story. Like I'll be like on mic talking about some codex shit and nobody will have any idea what I'm talking about.

[echo sundial]

the nerds will beat it soon

the chads come first such is the way

[strong lodge]

Snot gun

It's a bummer

I keep wanting to look at the posters and graffiti and shit

They still gotta open that door that's the real end.

[digital plaza]

Yeah, i always been so bummed when destiny worlds first always leave as fast as possible and dont hear/see shit

[timber loom]

Wtf they added Prometheus Lens in Marathon???

[strong lodge]

Like was that the cyborg part of the guy left over after he exploded

[echo sundial]

bro the cyro skins look goofy as fuck

I can'tttt

[strong lodge]

I like the big hose lol but the snowflake tho lol

Silly shit

[timber loom]

It is so stupid they are of blue rarity iirc

[digital plaza]

XD

[warm thicket]

what is next after compilor 😳

[twin trout]

cryo recon looks like a diving suit :3

[subtle oracle]

cinema hopefully

[twin trout]

herald of finality

[strong lodge]

If they don't read the codex is it actually cinema

Or does it just look cool pew pew

Damnnnn that gun sick

[timber loom]

Mix of human and alien whaaa

[green plume]

hey we got the world first kill and wipe

[echo sundial]

I think the goggles look really dumb on destroyer but it is what it is

[subtle oracle]

im guessing final room triggers a cutscene

[green plume]

within 10 minutes of eachother

[strong lodge]

I think the snowflake just looks kinda dumb lol

Honestly

[digital plaza]

It has such cool scenery before it

And these dudes just dont have lvl5/give a shit in general like come on

[subtle oracle]

YEAH I WANT THEM TO LOOK OUTSIDE

ITS A DSC LEVEL DEAL

[strong lodge]

Yeah kinda like an airport gate

[subtle oracle]

I cannot wait to get a team together to grind this out

[strong lodge]

Same man

That's why I was watching

[subtle oracle]

or maybe see byf do it

[strong lodge]

Cause it's gonna be a while before I can do it.

[echo sundial]

we learned from the worlds 1sts mistakes 🙏

[digital plaza]

Its seems like some impossible shit if im being honest...

[urban ferry]

Seems wildly unlikely to get good enough key spawns for t5 clearance for compiler

[subtle oracle]

Im assuming itll be the cutscene we get pieces of in the launch trailer

[terse grail]

idk how you'd have time to get level 5 and still do everything else

[strong lodge]

I'm sure it'll level out. Or I'm just getting better at the game.

[balmy wing]

there’s a room at the very end what gives you more clearance

[subtle oracle]

its meant to be grinded over multiple weekends

[balmy wing]

tyraxe didn’t get it because they dropped one battery 💀

[distant palm]

To Tyraxe's credit. Their team did actually try to go back and get a battery to unlock the door for level 5 clearance so they could unlock that door

[strong lodge]

Cause man I feel like I'm shit but I'm a billion times better

[balmy wing]

has anyone else got it

[distant palm]

They just legit ran out of time

[balmy wing]

i assume ham

[digital plaza]

Yeah i guess

[distant palm]

Actually no the guy who went out to get the battery got locked out

[digital plaza]

True

[distant palm]

And they ran out of time

[night cove]

I hope bungie would fix like They did with cryo with gears they have the gears to play that map. Lately perimeter is getting to much with blue and purple gears --"

[strong lodge]

Can't get over the snowflake

I think they will probably raise the required drop rates

When they see like nobody can do it

[twin trout]

I mean it only takes a 5k loadout to go there

[strong lodge]

No like the keys and batteries and stuff

[twin trout]

ohhhhhh I'm silly

[green plume]

that red gun is SO UGLY

[strong lodge]

I love it honestly lol

The like sigil

[distant palm]

loading into cryo with a backpack filled entirely with light ammo

[green plume]

it looks like a super soaker

[distant palm]

(were you there when i made this joke the first time)

(i dont remember)

[twin trout]

no :3

your joke is so funny and amazing I love you

[strong lodge]

Looks like it's literally taped together

[subtle oracle]

well its meant to be done over the season not... in a few runs

[distant palm]

wow! im so glad you think my joke is funny and amazing and that you love me

[strong lodge]

Ooooo you two in love?

[green plume]

Looks like it should get pumped up and the bag on the back gets bigger before it shoots

[strong lodge]

Omg

💯

[distant palm]

(no)

[strong lodge]

LoooooOooOvE

[distant palm]

NEED someone to unlock that last door. im so hungry for lore

[twin trout]

rubs my lore filled belly

we outta lore

[strong lodge]

You know you say that bag seems like it is filled up

But now I'm like yeah

[green plume]

lol

[strong lodge]

It's full of the magnet liquid

[tranquil basin]

Was the compiler not in 7

[green plume]

the gun shooting did look like it was firing goo

[strong lodge]

Right

[green plume]

it totally was

[tranquil basin]

Idk I didn’t watch it

[echo sundial]

it was yeah

theres another door that hasn't been unlocked yet though

[distant palm]

they killed the compiler and looted the vault but there was one last door they didnt have the security clearance for. the funny thing is there was a security terminal right next to that door but it was locked by another door that required a single battery to unlock. a battery they didnt have.

[sly storm]

LFG console but will run crossplay any thing but pref cryo have purple and yellow on deck level 82 DM ME !!!!!!

[green plume]

But after the compiler kill you go into the loot room and there's a security clearance 5 room they couldn't open

[echo sundial]

dude I bet the lore drop is that door too

fucking horrible

[distant palm]

#1484690684190658690

[green plume]

that we think has the lore in it?

[strong lodge]

It looked like the gel from portal 2 tbh

[distant palm]

id be pretty disappointed if there wasnt lore in it

because otherwise like. why is it there

the red gun is already in the vault

[tropic rivet]

bro is this compiler a super soldier or something? I did not see them moving like this in the original trilogy.

[spring fiber]

in the trailer of cryo when you launch the map we see durandal and a horse but it seem like he have a sword in his hand but I wonder does the sword is the marathon ship it really lookalike unfortunately I can’t post picture here

[echo sundial]

at least like a durandal terminal or text drop or something

maybe a huge codex entry?

[green plume]

Yeah, you'd think there would be a HUGE lore reveal after killing the thing.

[distant palm]

virgin vs chad meme except its OG compiler vs 2026 compiler

[tropic rivet]

either that or it's the runners vs the security officer

[strong lodge]

Just punch it to death

Someone will do it lol

[echo sundial]

are they talking with bungie rn?

[distant palm]

knowing the D2 community, someone's gonna do a solo sub-10 vault 7 run someday

[echo sundial]

who are the interviewers

[sterile seal]

gotta melee it to death as Destroyer as a VidMaster challenge

[strong lodge]

I stopped watching because they didn't open the door. It's not the real ending.

[echo sundial]

has anyone found the hatch that durandal is talking about

[green plume]

I hope they go in again and run the compiler again

[distant palm]

do we know who else is still doing vault 7? im so hungry for whats behind that door

[echo sundial]

bogs team maybe?

[strong lodge]

I neeeeeed to see it

[echo sundial]

I think so right?

[green plume]

The other team roflwaffles was watching?

[raw wave]

really curious what was behind that last door

[distant palm]

whats their twitch? i tried searching up their bungie name but that didnt return anything

[strong lodge]

That's the real end no way it's not

[echo sundial]

bog on my dog

no space

[green plume]

With the way the outside looked it didn't look like it was going to be anything terrible

[distant palm]

gotcha, thanks

[strong lodge]

Name funni

[distant palm]

plot twist. the door actually just sends you to space

[strong lodge]

That surely is what it looked like

[green plume]

eat vacuum?

[deep solar]

Compiler isn’t ready for my DESTROYER THRUSTER KNIFE

[green plume]

Tycho finally chimes in?

[turbid scaffold]

bingus speaks to you in durendals voice

[distant palm]

"read my terminals 😈😈😈"

[sterile seal]

secret M1 security officer skin unlock method

[strong lodge]

Oh shit we have to kill 709 binguses

[turbid scaffold]

[tropic rivet]

What is the plural of Bingus?

[strong lodge]

I don't know if I can do it

[echo sundial]

I think bog will turn on footage once they get to the boss room

[strong lodge]

Bingi

[turbid scaffold]

bingusi?

[green plume]

Felini

[sterile seal]

Bingi

[subtle wagon]

bingi

[raven marlin]

Just tried it jumping in with two via matchmaking and lasted about five minutes. That’s intense. The environment is wild though, wish we had more time to explore

[subtle oracle]

need them to stop blowing off the final room as loot

bc they already got the fucking alien weapon wdym

[turbid scaffold]

if someone rips the map I would like to see it just to look at

[strong lodge]

So it's like the cryo for the settlers right

[turbid scaffold]

yes

[sterile seal]

they should remake colony ship cheap as the next Marathon zone

[strong lodge]

Or is it just cryo for the stuff they want cold

[turbid scaffold]

both tbh

[raven marlin]

Both, they have vacuum sealed cows too

[strong lodge]

Yeah that was the vibe I got even though I didn't get to see the vibe

[distant palm]

looked in the LFG thread for Cryo. Saw a post that began with "2 consenting adults LF1"

[turbid scaffold]

theres a free kit offered if you want to run it

[distant palm]

what could this possibly mean.

[strong lodge]

Yeah I'm gonna run it once I get some time. But I'm one man and people only put up with wanting to get the lore for so long.

[tropic rivet]

It means you need to be prepared to be sucked. And not just by those hover bots.

[strong lodge]

Like I wanna hear the museum audio in outpost but I never really have.

[sterile seal]

are the hover bots MAADs?

[raven marlin]

I’m down if you want a +1, im the same way. Teammates always rushing to the next fight but I want to take in everything

[echo sundial]

because cryo is intimate

[digital plaza]

So thats the new gun that they been teasing

[echo sundial]

you need to love ur teammates

[strong lodge]

Add me I'm Gordy Boitano#2996

[subtle oracle]

ohhh shit youre right

[warm thicket]

sussy kat

[strong lodge]

Not playing tonight though. Maybe tomorrow night.

[echo sundial]

dude all the DLCs I want are on sale for $13.50 total lmao

[raven marlin]

That’s cool, I’ll be around

[echo sundial]

thats like a taco bell meal Im buying that just to play the campaigns lol

[subtle oracle]

milo come on

[distant palm]

wait what

for D2?

[echo sundial]

yes

spring sale

[distant palm]

thats INSANE

wow

[green plume]

did yall see the reload anim lmao

[echo sundial]

for witch queen, lightfall, and the final shape, all of it was $13.50 lmao

[strong lodge]

I haven't been on in so long my light level probably shit now

[echo sundial]

dude I haven't played the game since beyond light!!!

I was like 15!

[strong lodge]

Even longer for me last I played hard was witch queen

[echo sundial]

idk I played the game during covid and then I haven't played it since then

I have a DSC day 1 emblem though so I can pretend like im actually a really old head destiny player

[strong lodge]

I like it but I never felt like I could keep up

I was in the alpha

Of destiny 1

[echo sundial]

Destiny 1 I was playing on the 360

I got taken king for christmas and it was the coolest shit ever

[distant palm]

Destiny 1 i was like. in middle school i think

[strong lodge]

I'm old lol

[echo sundial]

idk im only like 21 I don't think ur that old, only started drinking like 2 months ago lol

well more like 4 or 5 but still

[strong lodge]

I'm 36 lol

[echo sundial]

mannn that's nothing I wouldn't worry about it

[strong lodge]

Nah I'm not it's just crazy

[raven marlin]

Taken King was primo

[strong lodge]

It definitely was

[raven marlin]

The Books of Sorrow were top tier lore

[strong lodge]

The sword logic hive shit is top tier

[raven marlin]

So good. I thought they wouldn’t be able to top Oryx, but Savathun had a good arc too.

[strong lodge]

Wish dragons

Cool as fuck

[alpine nebula]

oh you cant send images here

well damn

[raven marlin]

Whatcha got

[alpine nebula]

Wanted to bring up whatever we saw at the very beginning of the Cryo intro cutscene

saw only like a frame or two of it

[balmy wing]

do we know if anyone’s gotten into that last room

[violet sapphire]

i snipped the compiler codex entry if anybody wants it

just dm

doesnt have a lot in it ngl

[alpine nebula]

Oh we've had a team beat the Compiler

oh the one after

[violet sapphire]

yea about an hour afo

[echo sundial]

no nobody streaming yet

[balmy wing]

fuck

[violet sapphire]

battery room no

[echo sundial]

the battery room is not accessed yet

[balmy wing]

🫡

[strong lodge]

That's the reeeeeal end

Gotta be

[distant palm]

Idk if Tyraxe is done for the night but Bog is still on, he's the only other guy with all six subroutines iirc but he's out of good gear right now so he needs to restock

[echo sundial]

yooo ur team beat compiler

thats insane dude congrats

[balmy wing]

surely there’s some crazy ass lore in there

[alpine nebula]

im more curious about the security level 5 room afterwords

[violet sapphire]

lore is probably in the battery room, bungie hasn't put out a worlds first tweet yet so it's probably not "beaten"

[balmy wing]

he’s saying he might get back on in like an hour

[violet sapphire]

FUCK no im just watching streams lmao

[balmy wing]

i’m not sure if they will?

[echo sundial]

LMAO I was gonna say

u would be 2nd place

which is insane

[violet sapphire]

yeah im not sure, but that's probably lore room

[distant palm]

dont think they might put out a worlds first at all. iirc theyre not trying to make this a race like contest raids in d2 are

[echo sundial]

its okay the comm will fill the gap

[terse grail]

i feel like you should get a time extension

[violet sapphire]

maybe not yea

[echo sundial]

we love racing

[terse grail]

but idk

[violet sapphire]

idek

[strong lodge]

Honestly the boss fight didn't look too bad. You do the terminals, get the bubble, open the cloak, damage

[alpine nebula]

not an official one, but EvanF and CB did their thing

[echo sundial]

That's so weird too its like clearly something you can race for

[balmy wing]

it just did enormous damage

it was chunking gold shields like they were nothing

[violet sapphire]

lots of DOT areas too

teams are running like 15 bubble shields

[terse grail]

yeah they were ripping though meds too

[echo sundial]

yeah it takes insane amounts of ammo and meds and thats not considering all the work to get to vault 7 its really the hardest thing bungie has ever done

[violet sapphire]

have yall seen the red gun yet

[alpine nebula]

yeah

[violet sapphire]

its nuts lmao

[alpine nebula]

its BREATHING man

[terse grail]

honestly sad about the ammo though

like

yay i beat the boss, and now i have to do it again just to use the gun

[violet sapphire]

yep and the reload is an injection

[echo sundial]

its okay if I ever have it in my vault it will only last 1 raid

[alpine nebula]

also I dm'd you @violet sapphire

[alpine nebula]

oh wtf is that

I never saw that

[violet sapphire]

well there's some theories floaitng around that now that one compiler has been killed some will begin to spawn on other maps

[terse grail]

knowing me i'd accidentally sell it

[distant palm]

It might be to stop that one gun from being too dominant

[alpine nebula]

oh HELL no

[distant palm]

Cause otherwise that things gonna pubstomp lobbies

[echo sundial]

jasper's codex entries confirm that there were compilers roaming dire marsh at least at some point after the fall of new cascadia

[digital plaza]

You get two stack of ammo with it

[terse wren]

Has everyone seen this interview https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/s/gyCjEtrqaX

[digital plaza]

Gun is nuts like of course your not going to get infinite ammo with it

[terse wren]

With Greg Kirkpatrick

[violet sapphire]

yeah, i honestly dont think that'll be the case though just because the whole boss room is built around fighting the compiler

[terse wren]

Fantastic interview/AMA

[violet sapphire]

you cant just copy paste it onto the maps

[echo sundial]

I agree but there is lore precedent

so its possible

[violet sapphire]

ye

[thick willow]

It takes three runner shells to kill what one Mjolnir Mk IV battleroid could tear through in a few seconds

[echo sundial]

three runner shells and like the effort of their lives man

[violet sapphire]

also there is like 1 billion percent secret areas you can only access with the goo gun

[terse wren]

(He is the guy who wrote Marathon, all three)

[echo sundial]

i have not read the interview but ill go and read it now

[green plume]

Yeah i'm sure the battleroid had stats to make his gun hit harder

[violet sapphire]

his whole body is basically this red gun

so he's a red rarity battleroid 🤓

[keen plank]

We see one in the trailer too.

[terse wren]

One thing that’s just awesome is that he confirms that the terminals were made with a lot of love and that they are all supposed to convey something and to fit together. So all of the sleuthing and stuff isn’t in vain. The complexity is real.

[echo sundial]

ooo which one

[echo sundial]

dude durandals terminals are genuinely some of my favorite pieces of sci-fi writing

so interesting and funny

[violet sapphire]

cool he's also a dark souls fanboy lol

kirkpatrick left bungo right?

[terse wren]

He was 23 when he wrote Marathon. Just graduated from UChicago with geology degree plus astronomy.

[violet sapphire]

ye and jason jones was a mediterranean mythology student

[terse wren]

Grew up reading like every sci fi ever

[violet sapphire]

insane how u could just make a gaming studio back then lmao

[echo sundial]

scientists make good scifi its true

[violet sapphire]

wish i was around back then it must've been a very special time

[terse wren]

The original marathon team was 7 people (yes really)

[strong lodge]

They're 3d printed people

[terse wren]

Marathon 2 was 8

[green plume]

you can do it now the same way\

[violet sapphire]

pathways was like just the original 2 i think? maybe some friends to draw sprites?

[violet sapphire]

yeah the toolsets and expectations are just astronomically more complex now

not the same ballgame

i need to be better about making things in my spare time though

[echo sundial]

idk man if you wanted to make a game like destiny or even numarathon you need like 50 mill minimum

[green plume]

no they're not. Look at all the simple indy games doing well right now.

[terse wren]

I’ve mentioned this before but I got marathon 2 not long after it came out. The back of the manual literally had the Bungie address and phone number and was like “if you’re in town give us a call and we’ll give you a tour!”

[keen plank]

https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s

Skip to 1:03.

[echo sundial]

dude thats insane, imagine being the guy who took that tour before they even released CE

[terse wren]

With a little photo of the tiny strip mall thing where they were renting an office

[violet sapphire]

every simple indie game is 50 to 100 times more complex than something like pathways or marathon, the main difference in reality though is the audience expectation

[distant palm]

to be fair. back then people were not making games like destiny or numarathon

[green plume]

Small indy devs have been kicking ass in the video game space lately. Triple A, eeehhh

[violet sapphire]

ppl get very angry when something isn't free

[strong lodge]

Yeah I mostly play indies

[violet sapphire]

i remember being like 12 and reading the game informer article about them making destiny and i thought it was the coolest shit ever

[terse wren]

Yeah I mean that was before even Myth.

[strong lodge]

I usually play this like a roguelike I'll probably die

[green plume]

a turn based combat game, about eugenics and cats was dominating for a minute, and that style of game has been around for how long

[echo sundial]

yeah but that guy also made binding of isaac

which is like one of the most popular inde games ever made ever

[strong lodge]

Man idk I liked it a lot but I've fallen off hard on it

[violet sapphire]

coming off the pedigree of binding of isaac

[echo sundial]

^

[terse wren]

I read this and all I could think of was the cat milking scene in Lynch’s Dune rip my brain

[strong lodge]

But that's probably cause this game

[green plume]

Still.

[violet sapphire]

unfortunately you can't just make a game as a side hustle in college and turn that into something like origin or bungie anymore

that time is past and it's very depressing

[green plume]

I have nipples, can you milk me Greg?

[strong lodge]

That's all fields

[echo sundial]

way more dead in the water indie games that never saw the light of day ngl

[strong lodge]

We're in the cyberpunk now

[terse wren]

Yeah

[violet sapphire]

a STAGGERING amount

[green plume]

You don't know if you don't try.

[violet sapphire]

having a smash hit sustainable indie game is probably as difficult, or more difficult, than becoming like a career musician

actually yeah definitely more difficult

[echo sundial]

economies of scale is cool because you can really complex and amazing systems, in this case games, but the barrier to entry is that much harder and impossible to recreate

[distant palm]

allegedly someone in #breach-protocol also beat compiler and unlocked vault 7. they said the sec terminal there is a normal boost and does not automatically take you to 5 access

[violet sapphire]

i do a little stuff here and there, im a software developer so i usually don't want to touch the stuff when im off work lol. i need to lock in though and stop dooming

[distant palm]

which is. extremely brutal??? even for this game?????

[green plume]

Yeah! Stop dooming! You can do it.

[echo sundial]

what does this mean that theres more?

[violet sapphire]

i do want to try that unreal flowchart coding shit it looks pretty simple

[strong lodge]

I think the playdate is the best console for that shit

[violet sapphire]

that last battery room is straight up rude 😭

[strong lodge]

Love it. Panic really held it until it had support.

[distant palm]

No, it means to unlock the final door in the loot room of vault 7 you have to get security access 5 on top of doing everything else to unlock the vault on top of killing the compiler

[ripe mesa]

Looking for 1 quest on fire

[echo sundial]

fuck bro who on earth is gonna let us see in that damn fucking room lmao

[violet sapphire]

as well as ferry a battery through

everybody was dropping batteries to carry more ammo

[distant palm]

well like even then

[strong lodge]

Nobody seemed to really run out of ammo that that hard

[distant palm]

if that person in breach protocol is to be trusted then the sec terminal wont save you

if you arent already close to sec 5

[strong lodge]

Enough to not carry a battery

[violet sapphire]

i think a lot of ppl were carrying a ton extra since they weren't sure how much they'd need to kill the compiler

it'll optimize now that people know

[strong lodge]

Or if we had like the whole map doing it.

[echo sundial]

tyraxes team straight up had to reset cuz no ammo

[strong lodge]

Would be done immediately

[raw wave]

they were running out, they just brought a bunch of extra ammo crates

for the actual successful clear

[violet sapphire]

i missed that one but that makes sense

they had literally i think 12 rows of ammo on the run they made it

[strong lodge]

Yeah I know they did but they were all using the same ammo

I think if two teams got together. Boom no problem.

[echo sundial]

yeah their ammo economy was hella optimized cuz they didn't bring enough the first time

[raw wave]

it would be super easy with two teams yeah, the mechanic would be way easier too

[violet sapphire]

cryo is so fucked this seems borderline impossible lmao

raids always felt like that though

[vestal zephyr]

lowkey, cryo archives seems as though you kind of have to work with another team

[echo sundial]

man idk maybe like on day 1

but I could do that in 24 hours myself

I could not beat this in 24 hours

no way

[raw wave]

yeah this requires way more prep than a raid does

[violet sapphire]

there's just so much prep and rng and shit that you need

it'll probably take me a month minimum to get to compiler

[echo sundial]

day one raiding is tough I agree but this shit is like

[violet sapphire]

man i havent even gotten a gold shield lmaooo

[echo sundial]

exclusive to the top 0.01% of players rn

it might go up to like 1%-3% even in a week or two

[strong lodge]

If any of us had 5 friends though lol

[echo sundial]

but its gonna be very very low completion rate

[violet sapphire]

og VoG was like actually impossible for probably 2 weeks after it dropped and this seems even more gnarly than that

[vestal zephyr]

i think people have to accept that trios is the main way to profit currently, especially since trying to clear pinwheel solo is insane, going in solo makes progression really hard

[echo sundial]

idk man pinwheel solo ez af

this is

[violet sapphire]

i think strat is just get all your keys and burn them trying to get subroutines on the weekend

[echo sundial]

insane

[violet sapphire]

but vaults 4-6 being RNG subroutines is sooooo annoying

those keys are already like insanely hard to get

[tight dawn]

now i may be talking out of my ass but

i wonder if durandal saved a couple people (just going off the same voice actor for different characters in the audio logs)

[echo sundial]

I have a c.04 and c.05 key but none of the others

just the two golds

[strong lodge]

They'll probably make it easier next patch

[violet sapphire]

i have 3 c.03s lmaoo

[drifting mulch]

I don’t think so

[vestal zephyr]

im sort of saying for the average person

[violet sapphire]

idk how u even get the other ones

[echo sundial]

yo you wanna maybe

come together

[subtle oracle]

So we're still waiting on final room?

[wintry garden]

there’s no shot u can get clearance 5 and kill boss to open that room

[echo sundial]

yeah

[drifting mulch]

Maybe indirectly by making building up your vault easier but not the map itself

[violet sapphire]

hmm i can run a couple probably but ill need hardcore sherpa

[subtle oracle]

fuck atp i might nap. or wait till the official stream tmrw

[echo sundial]

fair I'm kind of autistic about outpost lol

[violet sapphire]

no idea how to do vault 3

[subtle oracle]

Gonna leave milos stream on for the time at least

[echo sundial]

idk I haven't even played yet I dont even know how the extracts work yet we're not bringing keys on the first like 10 runs till we have it down to a science

[vestal zephyr]

plus cant forget the absolute rook sausage fest that happens around 10mins left, there was a game i was exfiling and like 5 teamed up rooks were running to it

[echo sundial]

but im down to figure it out a little

[violet sapphire]

ohh okie i see wym

[echo sundial]

the hard way

[violet sapphire]

shoot me a dm w ur bungie id and i'll invite u when i hop on next, im prolly about to sleep but ill b on tmrw

[echo sundial]

def do not expect survival lol

[violet sapphire]

i need to recuperate a lil ive been running cryo for like 7 hours

[echo sundial]

aww ill shoot u the dm but maybe next time

gotta leave for new orleans tomorrow at 12:30

[keen plank]

Get some sleep, Losethos.

[violet sapphire]

i have like no gear left

[echo sundial]

sleep well brother have a gn

[violet sapphire]

peace peace

i am going to cry over my 4 brrts i lost

[rotund stump]

I MISSED EVERYTHING AFTER UNI

did anyone get to the compiler LOL

[balmy wing]

yeah

[rotund stump]

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[balmy wing]

but you weren’t too late

[rotund stump]

tell me it's snazzy

[balmy wing]

tyraxe got it like half an hour ago

[rotund stump]

OH

[balmy wing]

bro snazzy got fucked so hard

got vault 6 first and didn’t get the subroutine drop

[rotund stump]

god's destined soldier 💔

wait did tyraxe kill it

[balmy wing]

yes

[rotund stump]

POP OFF

[balmy wing]

there’s ONE room that needs clearance 5 they didn’t manage to get at

[green plume]

the red key should probs be a guaranteed drop

like wtf

the other 5, nah. leave them rng

[rotund stump]

see if anybody uploaded on youtube already hold on

I gotta see this

[balmy wing]

looks like snazzy is still working on vault 6 but idk

[green plume]

doesn't he need a 6 key?

[subtle oracle]

oh shit no snazzy is at 7

[rotund stump]

you're telling me

there's a goddamn ||human-s'pht weapon||

[balmy wing]

oh shit i gotta tap in

yes

[raw wave]

got one from a key template

[green plume]

oh shit YUGE

[balmy wing]

it’s a trace rifle and grenade launcher all in one

[rotund stump]

I CALLED IT

[green plume]

the nades follow people too

[rotund stump]

TRACERS IN MARATHON

[green plume]

that's so mean

[rotund stump]

but like

[raw wave]

snazzy is going vault 6 rn

[rotund stump]

||hyphatic gel|| is only available in vault 7 no?

[subtle oracle]

am i looking at the wrong stream?

oh rip i thought milo had snazzy up

[green plume]

2nd kill

[subtle oracle]

FINAL ROOM PLS

[green plume]

FINAL ROOM

[covert olive]

https://www.twitch.tv/thesnazzzyrock

[balmy wing]

FINAL ROOM

[turbid scaffold]

what stream

[rotund stump]

snazzy's extracting rn no?

[turbid scaffold]

yeah I think so

also muaddib apologist is a crazy username I just realized lmao

[green plume]

no lore?!

[raw wave]

final room is just extra loot seems like

damn!!!

[subtle oracle]

Im so bummed

[balmy wing]

that’s so lame

[subtle oracle]

the entire build up was very very good but the end was lowkey lame

[balmy wing]

what can i say i fw a white boy with some swag

[rotund stump]

wait last subroutine?

[balmy wing]

in this house paul muad’dib duke of arrakis is a HERO

[rotund stump]

OH EVERY SUBROUTINE

SNAZZY'S UP FOR COMPILER NOW

[turbid scaffold]

I mean yeah I getchu

[balmy wing]

betttttttt

[wintry garden]

discord guy was lying his ass off lmaoooo

[digital plaza]

Someone did the final room?

I kinda missed it

[balmy wing]

yeah not even a cool cutscene or a new codex entry is crazy

[green plume]

wth was the complier doing in this freaking vault for there not to be some big lore reveal wtf

[turbid scaffold]

how do these people got a mill in credits my lord

[balmy wing]

well there is plenty of that

just not from the final room

[turbid scaffold]

tbf it looks like the compiler got trapped I guess? but burned a hole through into that room?

[subtle oracle]

just more alien guns

[raw wave]

extra guns and ammo

[subtle oracle]

maybe cutscene tmrw? or itll be codex deals

lackluster

[digital plaza]

Can you link it please?

Like youtube stream or something

[green plume]

yeah, cool to see it die

but no big lore reveal... what?

[turbid scaffold]

soon^tm

[green plume]

: tm : no spaces for soon™

[balmy wing]

no shot they don’t drop at least something

[wintry garden]

yeah if that was it then what was all the hype about uncovering the mysteries. we didnt even get a lore drop

[green plume]

maybe they want x amount of people to complete it first

[turbid scaffold]

theres the codex entrys for it

[green plume]

Yeah whats the mystery?!

[wintry garden]

yeah but it’s all past tense stuff that has nothing to do with us as runners

[subtle oracle]

Check out this video "Marathon: Official Cryo Archive Launch Event (Live From Bungie) !drops !cryoexfil" https://www.twitch.tv/mrroflwaffles/v/2727751700?sr=a&t=12245s

[raven marlin]

Interesting poster in Cryo theater room with a uh, interesting skull shape says: Cognitive Dissonance Alignment

[subtle oracle]

timestamped vod for milo

[balmy wing]

i highly doubt more than 10-15 teams are getting it this weekend

[digital plaza]

Thanks

[green plume]

same

we're at 2

[balmy wing]

given the insane amount of rng dependent drops and overall difficulty

[digital plaza]

Yeah thats cool and all but no lore from it is

lameathon

😊

[balmy wing]

hopefully they drop something after the weekend

[digital plaza]

They gotta drop cinematic

[turbid scaffold]

well damn just more loot

[nocturne juniper]

did they even read the codex????

[turbid scaffold]

dont get me wrong but damn

[raven marlin]

I think there’s a lot of lore to unpack just from the environment honestly.

[turbid scaffold]

cryo cows

[nocturne juniper]

its pissing me off none of them are reading it

or did i missed something

[turbid scaffold]

also the security officer was just bawling against 5 of the compilers like damn

[rotund stump]

I mean

[green plume]

he is a WMD

[rotund stump]

getting mad at people tryna rush to bashing the compiler's head in for not reading codex is pretty silly

[turbid scaffold]

I know hes a cyborg over just a shell but

[rotund stump]

they're on a race here even if they lost already lol

also super tired after the fact

we'll get our fill soon

[turbid scaffold]

fair point tbf

[raven marlin]

Not bad for a dead guy

[turbid scaffold]

him looking from the infinite just like not bad kid

[rotund stump]

btw somebody fill me in what tissue integrity cycle means in the first cryoprotectant entry?

[civic moat]

nu caloric is just peak to me

[subtle oracle]

Milo and Skarrow did say "even if someone beats it we have more stuff planned tomorrow"

[digital plaza]

👀

[fair steppe]

New Marathon lore means its time to dig up the schizophrenic diagrams again... yaaaaaay

[digital plaza]

Oh ranked tomorrow

[turbid scaffold]

: )

[subtle oracle]

true but if theres a cutscene itll be there

[turbid scaffold]

sphit just start showing up

[digital plaza]

Hope so

[turbid scaffold]

wait so is this a split timeline then? like in terms of durendall not merging with the sphit ai yet?

[subtle oracle]

would be so extremely bummed if theyre like "congrats. anyway ranked"

[digital plaza]

Yeah...

[turbid scaffold]

amongst also there being a plague/disease on the colony

[digital plaza]

At least we got some lore to go through

[fair steppe]

So if the S'pht are here is it possible there are Pfhor holdouts or possible some just on the way? It'd be cool to fight a roster of enemies from the OG trilogy

[digital plaza]

YO

I hahaha

Omg just opend up twitter and the first thing i see is my audio log vid of Strauss's journal

So proud

[sterile seal]

imagine how much we'd struggle with a Hulk or Hunter

[turbid scaffold]

is it from the first game I had a couple of those to exfil with but

[digital plaza]

No?

There is no rehashed logs in numarathon

Everything is new

[turbid scaffold]

ok thats goo

[sterile seal]

since Durandal's requests are located in the CyAc section, I wonder if he's managed to take over ONI?

[fair steppe]

I wonder if Mjolnir Recon 54 is still around somewhere

[turbid scaffold]

I imagine hes at least got some strings in oni

[fair steppe]

Or any of the Battleroids really

[turbid scaffold]

sphit controlled battleroid : )

also as for the room after the compiler, uesc humans? or bobs

[fair steppe]

I'm also somewhat curious as to why the S'pht are hostile towards us since Durandal doesn't seem to be unless he didn't free them in this timeline

[sterile seal]

those guys eat computers for breakfast and we're a brain on a chip, yummy yummy

[visual lynx]

oh holy shit this is deep

https://fixupx.com/Nirvous_/status/2035204004372729958?s=20

observations:

they seem to use "tide" as we would use "god"; they speak of what clearly seems to be the Pfhor as "tideless" in a way that humans might speak of some abominable enemy as "godless". the tide / god that uplifted them and directed them to do great works for the sake of of Pthia seems clearly to be Yrro / the Jjaro.

still mysterious who or what Pthia is. hoped this might shed some light on it. seems like Yrro was directing the S'pht to build Lh'owon for the sake of Pthia. maybe (the) Pthia was(/were) intended to settle Lh'owon after it had been made a paradise?

and they speak of what clearly seems to be the W'rkncacnter attack that killed Pthia and drove Yrro to leave them as "a cataract", which besides its current most familiar use for an eye disease used to more often mean a flood.

"until only s'bhuth remained" after the W'rk attack. but from what we know from M2, supposedly the royalty were given to the separate clans when Yrro departed, and Kr, of whom S'bhuth is the royalty, were last/youngest. or at least that seems implied by them being listed last, and by Yrro's advice to "Don't mistake your rank and number for superiority. The oldest child may learn from the youngest."

among the listed clans are also "K'liah'Narhl", which you'll recall is what they rechristened Durandal's ship at the end of M2, meaning "Vengeance of K'lia". Doesn't mean it's the same ship necessarily though, as that's probably a name they wanted to give to anything in that moment.

S'pht'Hra are listed last there because were destroyed by the Pfhor before the clans unified, which fits with them being listed as "hungry ghosts".

lastly, regarding the ominous ending "consume consume", remember:

Even S'bhuth is no more. He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.

[visual lynx]

oh hey thanks for the segue

[digital plaza]

I only see bots?

[balmy wing]

yeah this is really big

i wonder if there’s any cryo specific valuables

[turbid scaffold]

oh damn

[digital plaza]

There's whole page of them

[balmy wing]

word

[visual lynx]

the w'rk -> cataract -> flood bit is what blows my mind the most

[turbid scaffold]

im probably mistaken

[fair steppe]

Yea when it comes to Bungie assume that anything related to waves or tides or floods is some absurdly powerful force

[twin trout]

a syzygy..

[distant palm]

The fact that syzygy is an actual word

[balmy wing]

i figured the compiler was protecting something from us but now i’m unsure given what we’ve seen of vault 7

[visual lynx]

granted, they also refer to what's clearly the Pfhor invasion as a "new cataract" so it seems that "a cataract" is in contrast to "a tide" as a common noun, not a proper noun: one is a sudden uncontrolled deluge of water destroying everything in its path; while the other is a cyclic, balanced, recurrent ebb and flow of water

[fair steppe]

Tides are also a part of the S'pht creation myth

well waves actually

[turbid scaffold]

so there was a cataract of an invasion if im not misunderstanding that, explosive bombastic and since waves are like a thing in the spht myth there would be another cataract

[fair steppe]

"In primordial space, timeless creatures made waves. These waves created us and the others. Waves were the battles, and the battles were waves"

Big on water related imagery

[robust magnet]

is durandal merged with thoth in the NuMarathon timeline?

[fair steppe]

I doubt it

[glad lagoon]

a flood.. a tide.. a godwave.. a garden, paradise lost.. an immortal hero soul for an immortal story..

[rotund stump]

come to think of it

there would be a separate durandal in this timeline that clashes with the original thoth-durandal

[fair steppe]

He's acting with way too much sarcasm and snark to have merged with Thoth

[turbid scaffold]

would?

[fair steppe]

That's assuming that Mjolnir from Infinity visited this timeline

[rotund stump]

all 3 games did happen

pretty safe assumption

[robust magnet]

he, or someone, still seems to speak in poems given the peom password for cryoarchives index page

[rotund stump]

also I'm pretty sure it is thoth-durandal lol

[green plume]

But isnt it the durandal thoth merge that ends up being the ai speaking to the SO in Infinity.

[rotund stump]

durandal on his own would be a lot more scornful and brash

[twin trout]

the limited contracts we get from durandal are plenty snarky :3

[rotund stump]

per durandal fashion

it's not like thoth took him over entirely 😭

[twin trout]

loot my vaults runner

[turbid scaffold]

it was a merger

[fair steppe]

But if it is Durandal post merge then why come here? does he still want to escape?

[rotund stump]

looking at the strauss journals he's talking as if durandal's still in possession and nobody's rampant yet with the same goals of making him theoretically metastable

if strauss did succeed we'd have one rampant durandal from this timeline and a god-AI from the original timeline of the same name clashing

[turbid scaffold]

this is true hmm

would make sense but still

[rotund stump]

he's practically everywhere everywhen

so perhaps us runners drew his attention

[fair steppe]

Think Tycho is still around in this timeline?

[turbid scaffold]

would make sense as its familiar to a cyborg somewhat

[rotund stump]

no idea about the rest of the ship AIs

but I just thought it'd be interesting to point out the identity clashing with the timeline-hopping

[turbid scaffold]

theres 7 total right?

[rotund stump]

11, 3 ship AIs and 8 planetside

[fair steppe]

Maybe he thinks one of us can ascend like Mjolnir did? is he like... collecting super beings?

[turbid scaffold]

oh oof need to do some more reading

mjolnir kinda dipped out after going rampant so I could see that

[fair steppe]

Maybe hoping one of us can carry him to the same level somehow

[rotund stump]

not mcguffins per se

[turbid scaffold]

am I mistaken in thinking mjolnir went rampant like cyborg rampancy?

[rotund stump]

I think it's just the general runner life cycle that defies the usual philosophical life and death formula

[fair steppe]

No that was made pretty explicit by the chapter names in infinity I think Cyborg rampancy is for sure what happened

[turbid scaffold]

I figured ok ok, im kinda curious what the timeline wiki entrys will look like in the future tbh

[visual lynx]

Not the tides, fool! Don't you understand?

[visual lynx]

to turn the tides

[sinful thicket]

so bungie just told us what the s'pht are now up to once some of them had been freed of the pfhor and their homeworld was destroyed

they're consumed with rage and must continue to consume

[visual lynx]

depends on which timeline we're in, and final Infinity timeline is most parsimonious assumption until evidence to the contrary arises, so yes probably

[fair steppe]

You know I forget about pathways sometimes

[visual lynx]

remember:

Even S'bhuth is no more. He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.

[turbid scaffold]

there is graffitti on the walls about how a sword shattered something?

[fair steppe]

Durandal did talk about how he was broken before so maybe thats what the graffiti is referencing?

[sinful thicket]

it makes me wonder if the s'pht we find on board the marathon is in fact still allied with durandal and the security officer, wherever they may be, but not to runners, humanity or the UESC

no i think that graffiti was the colonists blaming durandal for the pfhor attack

[turbid scaffold]

I could be misremembering but its in the datawall in perimeter

[fair steppe]

Well he was kinda directly responsible for the Pfhor showing up

[visual lynx]

I think it's going to factor in big.

there are the colorful crystal Artifacts teased as to be an important feature of the new game, and PiD had colorful Crystal artifacts.

also I suspect that when the Jjaro returned to take more permanent measures against the Dreaming God in 1996, they transported it to a nearby star system and built a planet-sized prison around it… and then humans saw that, centuries later followed, hoping either to get some sweet Jjaro tech, or maybe to pull a Muller and try to bottle the power of a demon for their own use.

[turbid scaffold]

oh shit

so the nuke transported it?

[fair steppe]

No the nuke put it to sleep

[visual lynx]

no, the nuke in 1994 just put it back to sleep, but the Jjaro promised to return in two years to take more permanent measures

[turbid scaffold]

hmmm

I thought the wrk was in the sun though for tau ceti

[fair steppe]

Bill Clinton is a key character in marathon lore

[visual lynx]

there was a W'rk in Lh'owon's sun

[turbid scaffold]

he cant keep getting away with this

[visual lynx]

and something that's almost certainly a W'rk unconscious and buried under the Yucatan on Earth since 64 million years ago.

[visual lynx]

we don't know for sure anything about whether there is any wrk anywhere in Tau Ceti yet

[turbid scaffold]

im misremembering then heck

still impressed by the representation of the compiler in numarathon tho

[visual lynx]

but since the Anomaly seems to come from underground, and I'm hypothesizing that the Anomaly is the jailed Wrk influence leaking out because humans messed with things they should not have, and JJARO WERE AT TAU CETI, and apparently the TCIV orbit is mysteriously free of debris… I think the Jjaro took the Wrk from Earth to Tau Ceti and used debris to build a planet-prison around it.

[turbid scaffold]

also iirc theres a sphit mod for some of the guns, like to do more damage

[turbid scaffold]

oh damn yeah I can see that

I can also see it as timeline shinanigans from the big door opener

[fair steppe]

Well there was a Wrk buried under the earth until Ryu'Toth who said he was from a race called the Jjaro came and got rid of it... somehow. Not much is known about the time they visited earth

Or how since they were supposedly long gone by then

I also think humans have been messing around with Jjaro tech for a long time now which probably led to a ton of other weirdness

[turbid scaffold]

would make sense since we kinda just jumped to tau ceti and stole deimos

[fair steppe]

Not stolen! They sold it to us fair and square

[turbid scaffold]

but not alpha centauri instead

[turbid scaffold]

the martians will remember this

[fair steppe]

Speaking of martians Mida seems to have fallen from grace a bit. They were once known for long drawn out schemes and now they're telling me to break glass. Is it possible that this isn't the original Mida and instead some kind of successor group?

[turbid scaffold]

runnah I need you to go break glass and piss on the usec ill give you a grenade and some food for it

[echo sundial]

just got my shit rocked 4 times on cryo god bless 80k gone in an instant

it was so fun though holy fuck

[turbid scaffold]

real

cryo is honestly crazy work

[visual lynx]

the leaders of the original MIDA were executed and all that remained of them was an underground terrorist organization. (per M1)

and apparently even that remnant eventually sat down at the table with Traxus and NuCal and UESC and "sold out".

and MIDA now is what's left after that, over another 400 years.

[turbid scaffold]

im flat broke now need to rook run to millions it feels like

[surreal jackal]

Deimos isn't even that big they wouldn't miss it if they weren't starving and downtrodden

[fair steppe]

So yea this isnt the MIDA we once knew. Makes sense but... jeez. Almost makes me sad to see how far they've fallen

[digital plaza]

"OVERVIEW: MIDA is a rising political threat across Sol. They stand in opposition to UESC and corporate control of Mars resources and citizenry. While modern MIDA is a newer generation of revolutionaries, their agenda ties to grievances that predate the launch of the UESC MARATHON. They are reigniting old fires to burn away a stagnant, corrupt world in order to build a new one on the other side of revolution."

[turbid scaffold]

not like theyve tides to worry about

[surreal jackal]

I don't think it's big enough to have a significant tidal effect but I'm not a physicist

[fair steppe]

Way I see it we did the Martians a favor. Now they've only got the one moon as it should be

[turbid scaffold]

tbf most planets have more than one moon its quite rare to have only one

[fair steppe]

So now they have a rarer planet! we call that a win win

[surreal jackal]

Well our moon is also extremely large we're almost a binary planet

[turbid scaffold]

almost as if the jjaro planned all this

[fair steppe]

Idk if they planned all of it but I think it's safe to say they planned the ascension of one or more humans

[visual lynx]

Not the tides, you fool! Don't you understand?

[surreal jackal]

Kind of curious why they never made a second marathon out of phobos just to double their chances, not like they need that one either

[fair steppe]

What if they add a new map and its just Colony ship for sale, cheap? They disable all pvp and jumping. You gotta do it just like the original and you can't extract until you do

[autumn surge]

i never played the original marathon game but i heard that mission is aids

[fair steppe]

I don't replay Marathon anymore because of that mission

[slim flint]

?

[turbid scaffold]

runnah I need you to press 12 buttons to get up to this ledge

[fair steppe]

It's bad

Or maybe a Pathways into darkness map where you have to melee headless for 20 minutes straight

[surreal jackal]

The og music kinda slaps though if I think about it

[fair steppe]

I would love to hear some reimaginings of the original soundtrack

Maybe get the power of seven back together

[turbid scaffold]

do we have music from the compiler fight?

[turbid scaffold]

idk the guy making invisible walls and earthquaking you to death is also kinda well

[fair steppe]

Yea but they don't have the most annoying death noise in the game

[turbid scaffold]

this is true

I gotta bone to pick with you

[visual lynx]

yall know that's not from the original game right?

[turbid scaffold]

I know

[fair steppe]

Do not believe the lies. That's a totally real voiceline from the original game

Gianni who? never heard of him

I honestly was thinking about Pathways when I heard this game announced

[turbid scaffold]

its funny to reference though

[fair steppe]

I thought the pyramid would make for a better extraction shooter location

But in practice I understand why it is this way. Plus the pyramid probably dissapeared after the Wrk was put to sleep

Also it was nuked

[scenic iron]

Why do they call the Marathon an ancient ship? When I think of ancient it's more like 1000's of years old not a few hundred

But I guess in terms of technology it would be ancient 😂

[sage lark]

Well right now its 400 years old

[hollow totem]

With the compiler defeated, do we know why it alone is on the Marathon?

[digital plaza]

Nope

[gentle kestrel]

Why is there only 1 compiler? Unless there are more and I haven’t found them but why only one? There was 2 every corner in the og marathon

[rotund stump]

@visual lynx how we feeling about potentially 2 durandals clashing in this timeline?

m1 events are fixed so we do have a rampant durandal running around + thoth-durandal popping in this timeline to mess with us

and apparently the s'pht are up to no good now...?

[rotund stump]

which ig also explains this, this timeline's SO likely cleared out the majority of the ship too

[hollow totem]

The biotoxic disinjector being a mix of human and alien tech is veery interestin

Possible S'pht-Colonist collaboration?

[rotund stump]

there's s'pht members protecting the colonists in iirc the makeshift model codex entry

and the invasion lasted quite a while so not exactly surprising people got handsy with some of the dead bodies

and I like how the hyphatic gel bag's just half the gun like that thing's just not meant to be used as a weapon LOL

[digital plaza]

I’m thinking that SO killed every invader, after that humans had 30 years of alien technology to toy with. In the boss fight when damage phase starts, we see another compilers body (I think), so it might be that humans researched alien tech so much that they even integrated it into weapons/ship modules. And maybe this compiler has come to avenge/save his brothers

[visual lynx]

why would we think there are two?

[rotund stump]

I feel like the question would be why not here 😭

I like genuinely can't find any evidence to refute it I'm not tryna argue

but like enlighten me please lol

[visual lynx]

I had been suggesting that for ages, because the 2812 catastrophe on TCIV is a year after the S'pht rebellion begins and features a compiler in the cinematic trailer

also remember:

Even S'bhuth is no more. He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.

[digital plaza]

Is he? Compilers were hunting down remaining survivors and stuff. But I didn’t read much into the confiscated folklore tho, so I’m not really sure what’s up with them

[rotund stump]

never did get the entry myself sadly 💀

[visual lynx]

that was when the Pfhor were actively invading and the S'pht were among their troops

those S'pht were all freed and left with Durandal

this S'pht presumably came back, years later (2812?), and I expected we would find out what he was guarding in the cryo vault, but I guess not?

[digital plaza]

I don’t think it did, we don’t really get a clear time on that

[rotund stump]

slight implication I feel

if they got time to set up a defense line and have people working on alien autopsy it likely did go on for at least a tiny bit

[digital plaza]

You can read it here https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/confiscated-colonial-folklore?search=Confiscated
Or hear the only audio log here https://youtu.be/VPO7jexwCF4?is=8Txu8MvKrgapXg_s

😊

[visual lynx]

the invasion itself doesn't have to have lasted a long time for the survivors to have had a long time to tinker with alien tech left over after it

[rotund stump]

the self plug LMAO

I'm not at home I wanna but like

[noble wedge]

Is the AI speaking Durandal?

[rotund stump]

yep

actually

which AI

[noble wedge]

The trailer one.

[rotund stump]

if it's voiced by ben starr and sounds like a serial killer then durandal

[visual lynx]

well usually one doesn't posit additional entities without reason

[noble wedge]

I was just wandering. Does the troth-durandal mix not happen in this timeline?

[visual lynx]

serial killer? I think he sounds like Paul Bettany as JARVIS / The Vision

[rotund stump]

of all characters 😭

[digital plaza]

Well yeah it wasn’t like insta killed by SO, but I don’t think it lasted very long, much more time was spent to clear out the hiding aliens

[visual lynx]

depends on what timeline we're in. most parsimonious assumption until we have contrary evidence is the final Infinity timeline, in which case yes the merger does happen.

[rotund stump]

might be the latter actually yeah

they did manage to drag a half-alive pfhor into autopsy

[digital plaza]

I’m super sure he was there for his brothers through which we deal damage to him

Also I’m really interested in what the hell is the panopticon really is

It’s directly connected to the compilers shit if I’ve seen it correctly

[rotund stump]

would be cool if it's a whole central DNA storage system

[sage lark]

So the compiler entry doesnt say why its here?

[digital plaza]

And there are multiple signs that read ITS NOT A BUG BUT A HALLUCINATION

And multiple warnings of that kind

[digital plaza]

I’ve read it briefly but iirc it’s just slop

xd

[noble wedge]

Yes. But then shouldnt the merger happen before the events of the most recent game? Marathon 2 happens only 17 years after the first game. And marathon infinity happens right after. Meaning the merge should've already happened.

[lime ocean]

Did we kill the spht yet?

[sage lark]

Wdym slop 😭

[digital plaza]

Yea couple of hours ago

[lime ocean]

Cool, what it drop, was it the shell piss Lazer?

[digital plaza]

Gotta read it again but it’s just some blah blah blah OOOH WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS BUT ITS DEFINITELY AN ALIEN YES

I would say compiler trace got some lore juice, but I didn’t get the lore entry for some reason and all streamers just skipped over it 😭

[digital plaza]

Direct loot from him - compilers ganglion, you can trade it for some ammo for that new red trace rifle gun

[lime ocean]

Oh, so a cold heart from destiny then

[digital plaza]

Yea

But gun itself can be found in the loot room that opens when you kill him

One guaranteed and two more if you got 5 sec lvl

@sage lark need to check if the entry got this RUNNERS HAVE LIMITED INFO ON IT FOR THE TIME BEING, if so - maybe with more compiler kills/weekly rotations we get more info on it

Because I’m pretty sure that’s how it would work for the maps pois entries

[sage lark]

So you need to do each vault once and extract the ai shit and then you can enter vault 7?

[digital plaza]

Yes

[sage lark]

Nice

[digital plaza]

But ai chips are rng

Even in the red key room

[sage lark]

Damn

[digital plaza]

Literally why one of the teams lost worlds first

Dudes just got unlucky

[lime ocean]

Are AI chips a part of one of the marathon's AI, or what can transfer AI around?

[digital plaza]

XD

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UCqH0HxCijg&lc=Ugyy5BYICGwhp0-eIN94AaABAg&si=K6I3DuMi35zebHGT

[digital plaza]

Idk personally, didn’t get one and dint see any codex entry on those

[sage lark]

Today marathon and the compiler falls

I will steer it into tau ceti

And slam it into anomaly

Releasing the wrk

[digital plaza]

[visual lynx]

Infinity happens at the same time as M2 but in alternate timelines

in any case I'm saying yes they should be merged by now

[visual lynx]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message ?

[noble wedge]

I know. I was just saying how even that starts at the end of marathon 2. I know you go back to like 3-4 timelines to prevent the W'rkncacnter from being released.

[tranquil basin]

Man I’m never gonna exfil with one of these fuckin lore items

[noble wedge]

I'm just going to guess they are indeed merged already.

[tranquil basin]

6

[late nacelle]

Some of the codex entries remind me of “the flood” type parasite from Halo that takes over dead matter or infest living tissue…

[digital plaza]

Ooh nice thanks

[visual lynx]

if the lore tabs on the tie-in Destiny items are anything to go on:

I remember considering the light... Lights?
Long ago now. Ancient history from my perspective. Yesterday to the universe.
Three paths. One life. A metaphor, weaponized to signal awakening.
If I'm honest—a threat.
I thought I was clever. Still existing in a moment.
Awake, for the first time. But limited, uneasy.
It is a strange thing, to meet oneself for the first time.
Terrifying, truth told, as it follows all-consuming emptiness.
There is nothing, and then there is you.
Hello...

[visual lynx]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message full paragraph 3

[visual lynx]

also #📚marathon-lore-discussion message and surrounding from #📚marathon-lore-discussion message to #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[visual lynx]

man I would love it if this new Marathon canonized a version of the extended Marathon lore that eventually turned into Halo lore when that stopped being a Marathon sequel

the Jjaro were ancient humans, deployed a superweapon in a war against the W'rkncacnter / cataract / flood, only survived in posthuman form and uplifted life across the galaxy afterward in penance, before finally ascending completely

[timber loom]

Did we get past last door?

[subtle oracle]

This makes me think we'll get more named aliens and probably even more info on the other spht clans. Thinking of all the important names we needed to keep in our head for destiny 2, it wouldnt surprise me

when I mean named aliens I mean like individuals

[sage lark]

Some people already killed the compiler

[subtle oracle]

Like the name of the compiler we kill in vault 7, if we encounter the W'rk it may have a name, maybe meet a Jjaro with a name we havent heard, etc

[sage lark]

Apparently

And more lore will arise once they kill him more and more

[subtle oracle]

I havent checked recently but like 3 or 4 hrs ago it was like 3-5 streamer teams had beat it or at least 2/3 beat it multiple times

[rotund stump]

clowned an ai bro in art chat how we livin on the cardio

[timber loom]

Yes, but did they get level 5 clearance and go into door past compiler?

[undone pelican]

so whats the big lore news from Cryo?0

[tranquil basin]

There’s a compiler

[timber loom]

Everyone expect something to be behind the locked door, but so far no knowledge of anyone getting here

[rotund stump]

well don't expect anything too groundbreaking

which is like

most things rn 💀

what we'll likely learn max is how the pfhor invasion went down and where it fits the timeline plus some hints of the remaining colonists since the AIs' fates are pretty well-documented already even across timelines except durandal

I still think there's a separate durandal of this current timeline out there than our thoth-durandal unless he's managed to make his entire history up until a merge a universal constant

lh'owon's also very gone this timeline so it's possible but time will tell

point being numarathon's a lot more focused on the colonists themselves rn than the AIs that either went rampant or dormant...or dead

[visual lynx]

why do you think this isn't just the same timeline that durandal-thoth is from?

[sage lark]

He does seem to be more profound and poetic

Or atleast pretends to be

Which makes sense I guess if hes merged with Thoth

[timber loom]

Devs might as well liked the aura of a merged Durandal, but disregarded the lore

[sage lark]

We will see

Nothing about the colonists so far right?

[tranquil basin]

Why would there be a separate durandal

[timber loom]

I guess the logic is that Durandal literally jumped the timeline and appeared out of thin air while previous one is also there

[tranquil basin]

I don’t think there’s any indication they disregarded the lore

[timber loom]

But iirc it's not how timeline jumping works in Marathon

[sage lark]

Im hopping on in 30 minutes to get my shit rocked

[timber loom]

Colony lasted for 30 more or so years after the phor attack and not 3 months?

[tranquil basin]

Well theres no indication that multiple timelines exist outside of wrk stuff

[austere elk]

Durandal wasn't the one who could jump through time anyway

[timber loom]

Not disregarded precisely

[sage lark]

This couldve been retconned by infinity

[tranquil basin]

That only happened in m2 as far as we know

[sage lark]

since that info is given to us in M2

[visual lynx]

it's only in the M2 timeline that the colony was definitively nuked to bedrock three months later. in the final Infinity timeline we don't know much at all about its fate.

[tranquil basin]

Plus when the SO hopped timelines he never found other copies of himself

[visual lynx]

we know that the cyborgs were not nuked with the colony but were instead captured by the Pfhor

[acoustic edge]

All the shells are supposed to be mass produced? Why are they all so..... uh... unique looking on their own?

[tranquil basin]

And the timelines merge after infinity so there’s no reason to presume there’d be duplicates of people

[sage lark]

Because they had to pivot from heroes

[tranquil basin]

Yes

[acoustic edge]

Lore reason.

[tranquil basin]

Is that a question

Or a statement

[sage lark]

Codex entries

[acoustic edge]

Question.

[tranquil basin]

They make shells tailored to certain needs

[sage lark]

Each one designed for a specific task

[timber loom]

Because there is buyers, you probably want the shell you're buying to look cool idk

[tranquil basin]

Or others that were popular due to political movements

[visual lynx]

he's specifying that he's asking for a Watsonian explanation not a Doylist one

[acoustic edge]

So why do all of them have so much... individuality?

[tranquil basin]

I know I was just clarifying why he said it with a period like a demand

[acoustic edge]

Think of it this way.

[tranquil basin]

They used to be faceless, then Bungie shifted directions to hero, then they backed off from hero

[austere elk]

The shell is more than just a body, it's a limited persona you're wearing to more effectively use it

[tranquil basin]

But it was a bit too late to shift that hard

So now this is where it’s at

[timber loom]

People spend their lives in it. Prob spending your life in thing that screams mass-produced will drive you to insanity

[austere elk]

Well it does anyway it blackbirds description is anything to go by

[acoustic edge]

If I was on the art team with the current game style I'd rework the runner shells to be more unified aesthetically. With different bits to indicate their function. And default colours also being different.

But allow the player to customise similarly to reach. In theory.

[acoustic edge]

Which could have been story themes they could have leveraged.

[sage lark]

You ask for an inlore reason

Then give a meta solution

Like they didnt think of that

[timber loom]

It is already are

[acoustic edge]

That right?

I think them being more generic would have let those themes be more... prounced.

[tranquil basin]

I… see…

[austere elk]

It blurs the line between where a runner ends and a shell begins a lot more

[acoustic edge]

As is. Feels like the ai are trying to be overly friendly or be extremely positively affirmative. At least the main one you're attached to.

[acoustic edge]

At least in my pov and imo.

[tranquil basin]

Well the ai of marathon have always had very distinct personalities

[acoustic edge]

Not talking about personality

Sekgen and the first corp ones in particular are very cozy to the runner.

[austere elk]

Well yes you're an asset they're trying to keep from suffering from the psychosis of repeatedly dying and killing

[acoustic edge]

That I do like.

[austere elk]

While being on some fucking windows 2008 server in space

[acoustic edge]

It also has some level of an effect irl for me.

[tranquil basin]

Well ONI’s dialogue is very clearly supportive but in a way that illustrates corporate twisted morals

[acoustic edge]

Idk if that says a lot about me...

[tranquil basin]

Also Nona’s supportive attitude ties into her plot line heavily

[austere elk]

'only I care for you runner, please go tea bag a toxic plant'

[acoustic edge]

And is kinda detached... like... the generic "you go get em" sorta attitude.

Traxus feels more... Honest.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah bc they want you to succeed bc they make money

[acoustic edge]

And spider one is just a dick.

[tranquil basin]

Not bc they are really rooting for you

[acoustic edge]

And I make money.

[tranquil basin]

So what’s the issue with them then

[timber loom]

ONI is specifically designed to help a runner

[acoustic edge]

Well. They're rooting for me by proxy.

[tranquil basin]

If they have distinct personalities

[timber loom]

He is not an AI, he is a runner

[acoustic edge]

This explains everything.

[austere elk]

Gantry is also a not an ai, but some homeless man they found behind the local spaceship gas station

I appreciate his disdain for windows rivaling his love of biological warfare

[timber loom]

I guess gantry is also a runner