📚marathon-lore-discussion

[subtle oracle]

and not show us the real first one

[late field]

Is this rage bait

Satellite Data: Atmospheric readings taken before the Marathon arrived showed abundant carbon-based plant life and an oxygen-rich atmosphere similar to Earth's

That's what we gotta figure out

[supple girder]

Did you play the earlier games?

Wait

[late field]

It's literally described as a garden planet

[supple girder]

Mb actually

[late field]

That's the real mystery

[digital plaza]

Please link the mention of second attack then?

[spice carbon]

A THOUGHT WITH SOME SPOILERS ||In the original marathon games, it is said there were ten of the cyborg mercenaries (one of which was the player) meant to defend the marathon if anything happened. The other 9 having sort of blended in with the colonel who were then able to fight of the pfhor invasion and tau ceti IV. What if we may see them in this game, at some point and what if they are with some survivors on the planet || this is more theory crafting if anything

[late field]

Bro I'm saying it's a theory

[raven marlin]

Is there any official info on a second Sphit attack? Maybe that scene is part of a broader attack by whatever caused the contagion and all that. Something using natural phenomena as attack vectors.

[latent python]

@visual lynx I had a different initial take on the meaning and themes of rampancy but I think connecting it to a unifying theme of slavery is a great idea

[late field]

Bc they had suits on during the reveal trailer they didn't need suits when the phor attacked so somethings off there they might have gotten attacked again

[visual lynx]

in the main Marathon Infinity timeline, which we're probably in, the cyborgs were captured by the Pfhor and "translated to slave tanks" though not all of them survived

in the M2 timeline they were nuked to bedrock along with the rest of the colony

[late field]

The planet was a garden planet it started being hostile post the phor event when the anomaly was waking up @digital plaza

[dreamy hawk]

No, but @visual lynx is easily just as cool and we’re equally grateful for his contributions. 💚 I gotta gas up our hero every chance I get.

[visual lynx]

yes I think this is what they're talking about. in the cinematic trailer there's the 2794 attack, and then a 2812 disease outbreak (guy puking in his helmet) which is a year after the S'pht rebellion began and which shows a S'pht right after the puking guy, suggesting to me that that was a S'pht attack

[visual lynx]

-# speaking of Hamish, if I could get some beta testers for a thing I'm working on that'd be awesome: check https://dev.geekofalltrades.org/msp-modernized on both desktop and mobile please

[subtle oracle]

I thought he was saying that since theyre wearing suits in 2794, thats the 2nd attack

[digital plaza]

Attacked how? By who? We got all this narrative of planet itself trying to kill off humans by creating the contagion and releasing the anomaly, yet what’s the point of all of that if there was just some another alien attack?

[timber loom]

I am pretty sure that there was no second attack

Phof f off and had their struggles with big D, so they had no free resources to kill some pesky humans

[late field]

Is it impossible for two bad things to happen at the same time wym 😭

[subtle oracle]

@digital plaza do you have all the survey drone cartridges?

[late field]

The anomaly is an entity that started making the planet hostile towards humans
But also as u can see they still got attacked again POST the anomaly appearing

[raven marlin]

Checking from iOS, this is great!

[wise vortex]

Marathon

[subtle oracle]

by what?

[late field]

Bc they were wearing protective suits which weren't needed until the planet became hostile

[subtle oracle]

Like when

[digital plaza]

Yes

[late field]

The sphit

[eternal shell]

"what would be the point if this character was trying and failing to survive the black plague, then his house burnt down"

[wise vortex]

Looks good

[subtle oracle]

Can you ss and dm me 3-5

[wise vortex]

It oozes 2000s

[subtle oracle]

pls

[timber loom]

There is no codex hinting that colony didn't kinda died by itself, though there is not so much info on how it died precisely

[wise vortex]

wow im number 777777

if thats important

or mayube thats everyone

i think

[eternal shell]

so are we still doing frames in websites on purpose or

[visual lynx]

thats's everyone

[late field]

Is this rage bait

[timber loom]

Maybe

[spare bison]

Hey guys! Is it true that the nucaloric could be made out of well... ppl?

[digital plaza]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/survey-drone-cartridge?search=Survey+drone

[latent python]

It is made out of "post-consumer" material

[raven marlin]

This makes it so much easier than trying to zoom around on here

[spare bison]

So yes. Bassically yes lmao

[latent python]

Hey it could be human waste instead

[subtle oracle]

The first attack in where the people have the suits on is 2794. Then we get the contagion with the dude throwing up in his suit. Then we get the dude popping his head in a suit either by spht or the anomaly we dont know yet. Theyre always wearing suits

[subtle oracle]

How do i go to the other ones bc theres 5 and it only shows me 1

[spare bison]

Could be yea

[subtle oracle]

im BLIND

nvm

[visual lynx]

in any closed biosphere everything must be recycled, including sewage and corpses. this happens naturally on Earth and has to be artificially reproduced for space environments.

[dreamy hawk]

This is just a fancy way of saying recycled, so like, maybe? But we haven’t gotten any Soylent logs, yet.

[timber loom]

Also Codex says that atmosphere is not that same as on Earth so they need at least some time to adapt to it

[digital plaza]

I don’t know where are you getting the idea of a second attack man I don’t know what to tell you

[raven marlin]

How is that one survivor hunting and scavenging outside the colony though? They’d need to take their helmet off in an unsealed area to eat.

[timber loom]

I mean, og marathon had it

[eternal shell]

they hunt and scavenge, then go back

[timber loom]

But also it never was a center of attention, so it might have been a psyop as well

[dreamy hawk]

He was not doing so hot. I don’t think we can look at him as a healthy example for other colonists.

[latent python]

Maybe every colonist was always barfing

[dreamy hawk]

What a bright, bold future.

[subtle oracle]

M2 had the 2nd attack. M1 had a simulatenous attack afawk

[digital plaza]

Im not telling that it’s not possible, but the game got one clear narrative focus that they keep expanding on, yet if there were something as important as second attack it would probably have some spotlight on it

And yet it doesn’t

[spare bison]

It will be so danm cool to like see a cinematic of like the shells, assassin and thief for example
hey you wanna nucal burger I know we cant eat it but if we re sale it may-
dude they are made of ppl
.... WAT

[lunar cove]

Yeah I think based on logs, it seems like the attack hurt the colony, some time passes, and the novel contagion/anomaly finished the job

[digital plaza]

It was the anomaly, we got audio log of that exact event

Hold on

[subtle oracle]

We know something was giving "head-splitting" headaches but not if it was anomaly or spht

[subtle oracle]

oh shit link ofc

[lunar cove]

Or at least, reduced the colony so heavily that there weren't enough post fungus/famine survivors to recover

[subtle oracle]

I mean colorful goop dude is literally attached ot the anomaly

so itd be wild to assume thats spht

[visual lynx]

per M1, the Marathon and colony were both attacked by the Pfhor simultaneously in July 2794, and both were successfully fended off.

per M2, the Pfhor returned to nuke the colony to bedrock in October 2794.

per Infinity, the cyborgs who M2 said died in that attack were instead "translated the Pfhor slave tanks", implying maybe it wasn't nuked after all.

per the cinematic, there was still an inhabited colony that befell other disasters in 2812 and 2827.

[latent python]

The first example of blue goo

[lunar cove]

And as this was going on, the anomaly corrupted the colony AIs in a manner comparable to Rampancy but not quite Rampancy

[timber loom]

Anomaly seems like a strange way for slaver-conquerors to get revenge on colony

[lunar cove]

I think the anomaly is distinct from the pfhor

[digital plaza]

We get this from scanning corpse of a guy that blow up on darsh near the anomaly

https://youtu.be/C1vZDwPmL-U?is=hyhs9RcsGv4Xn6A_

[lunar cove]

I think New Cascadia got hit by multiple bad random events in a row from different sources totally outside their control or ability to understand/plan for

[timber loom]

Since it is not like in og where it said they returned in 3 months and done away with colony, one could assume they never returned at all

[eternal shell]

see i suspect that too but, dropping an anomaly on the colony would qualify as that second attack

[dreamy hawk]

It’s also outside of their technological capabilities. I would die on that hill. The P’fhor just know how to pilfer.

[eternal shell]

maybe it's a jjarro weapon

[subtle oracle]

Somehow missed that. The planet def is housing something W'rk-like

[lunar cove]

Yeah the pfhor are like the Covenant from Halo taking discarded forerunner stuff and weaponizing it without truly understanding

[raven marlin]

Yeah I think it’s either the Big W or Jjaro

[long kernel]

Could be pilfered Jjaro tech

[digital plaza]

We’re not discussing og marathon right now, different timelines and stuff

[long kernel]

But I don’t think the Pfhor deployed the anomaly

[subtle oracle]

or smthn new tbh

[late field]

U don't read what other people say do you
I feel like your brain just filters out undesired information

[wide birch]

considering that floating corpse with the expanded brain (not unlike a physical representation of AI rampancy)

[long kernel]

We’ve never seen them do something like that

[eternal shell]

anomaly being stolen jjarro tech that they dropped on the colony since it fought back too well is my current headcanon

[lunar cove]

I imagine they wouldn't waste a super Jjaro anti-terraformer Color out of Space bomb on some podunk 30,000 person colony

[wide birch]

something really wonky going on

[lunar cove]

They'd just drop a couple nukes

[dreamy hawk]

It could be but I have yet to be convinced it’s not a W’rk. Too many dreaming god references in the logs, all of them starting with or after the anomaly.

[lunar cove]

But maybe they're petty

[subtle oracle]

Theres multiple mentions that the planet is actively pursuing to harm humans and theres mentions of certain tech not working undergound due to odd space shit i dont understand

[eternal shell]

what if they wanted to see if it worked to begin with. it worked? great let's go drop it on their homeworld

[long kernel]

I have the idea it’s a halo ring situation

[timber loom]

Yeah, I am definetly describing why nuMarton doesn't have second attack, because it have no sense to attack in form of anomaly, unlike in og

[spice carbon]

wasnt that one the s'phits sun? a couple galaxies away?

[cinder vine]

Tau Ceti was an experiment in every sense of the word. I wouldn't put it past anyone to use the colony as a "let's see what happens"

[lunar cove]

In the older games they only use the crazy Jjaro stuff to put down large scale slave revolts that seem to be succeeding

[dreamy hawk]

This is think ties into @visual lynx’s prison theory.

[long kernel]

Big ol Jjaro facility containing a Wrkncacnter

[digital plaza]

lol

[lunar cove]

Anyways I think the weird stuff is coming from below, not above

[dreamy hawk]

There could be more. But I like the idea that it’s the same dreaming god from the Yucatán, moved by the Jjaro to Tau Ceti IV as a custom containment unit (credit Pfhorrest).

[cinder vine]

Why not both?

[lunar cove]

I think there's something in TC4 itself causing the weirdness down there, and also the Pfhor showed up, blasted the ship, and for some reason left behind a bunch of s'pht

[dreamy hawk]

Only one example of a device that we know of and it causes stars to prematurely nova.

[long kernel]

Now the contagion being Pfhor deployed, that I could see

[subtle oracle]

Oh absolutely

[dreamy hawk]

I also don’t think they’re that smart, either.

[timber loom]

My headcannon is that S'pht are Durandal's retinue

[long kernel]

My guess is that in this timeline the Pfhor are less brute force focused

[lunar cove]

They swapped out Tfear with TThrawn type shit

[subtle oracle]

The pfhor/spht are very marathon centric. We know celestial bodies can house w'rks and jjaro tech. So its simply there are threats on the marathon but not necessarily that those threats are what we worry ab on tc4

Theyre separate battles to be fought on the surface and the ship basically

[timber loom]

There was older revolt and they kinda started to destroy jjaro tech they couldn't control after that?

[long kernel]

Well, the Pfhor aren’t dumb, they’ve reverse engineered Jjaro tech

[digital plaza]

Ooh by the way @subtle oracle, I think I know why outpost skybox is all fucked up. Degraded weather tech kept spewing heat cascades and everything was just burned out and sky around outpost was also poisoned because of it

[cinder vine]

That's possible, but it's clear the UESC were pretty worried about both what's on the Marathon and what's on the planet, and now we as Runners are being sent to deal with both

[timber loom]

Oh, so heat cascade is weather tech? I wondered why colonists were dropping napalm on their heads

[subtle oracle]

Maybe in this timeline Tau Ceti 4 was a Jjaro or S'pht home candidate? I see no other way that the contagion was basically in waiting for the colonists to plant something

[digital plaza]

I don’t think they did lool

[lunar cove]

Yeah heat cascade is broken cloud seeding of some kind

[digital plaza]

It’s degraded after all

[long kernel]

Yeah, it’s explicitly stated to be malfunctioning weather tech

[digital plaza]

Maybe they were stabilising weather so less rains would pour

Because TCIV got this stormy like weather all the time

[subtle oracle]

Thats simply bc theres two fronts to fight on for now. The bigger worry on the surface of tc4 is absolutely whatever is causing the anomaly/contagion and not whatever may come from space to the surface

[raven marlin]

That’s wild. It’s very similar to white phosphorus rounds from mortars.

[long kernel]

Could be a way for eliminate anything that might fuck with the anomaly

[lunar cove]

Me when I shoot molten metal into the sky for no particular reason, just to inconvenience salvagers 100 years from now

[eternal shell]

tc4's weather is quite mild compared to earth compared to one lore entry i gotta look up

lemme finish this match first

[subtle oracle]

God this channel is gonna be very active tomorrow

[timber loom]

Nah, it appeared after the attack only, so my guess would be attack disrupted some old tech like wrk prison

[lunar cove]

Tau Ceti 4 when Tau Ceti 5 walks in

[eternal shell]

ye we're warming up

[digital plaza]

xdd

[cinder vine]

I have a feeling things are more complicated than that and we'll find out more tomorrow

[long kernel]

Yeah, something caused issues that later lead to a containment breach in the form of the anomaly

[digital plaza]

I’m going to cry about how bad crew fill is while others would enjoy new lore 😭

[subtle oracle]

Lemme find the log but clarissa states something ab it basically being in the soil when they planted and was just waiting

[dreamy hawk]

They didn’t. They used what they could figure out and explicitly destroyed what they couldn’t. They reversed engineer Jjaro tech as successfully as the Covenant does Forerunner. Like. Kinda, but they don’t know how any of it actually works.

[subtle oracle]

I'm simply gonna watch rofl and skarrow on the official strema bc the pvpers arent gonna pause for the lore

[digital plaza]

Ooh yeah probably, since Pfhor did bombed the colony from orbit

[dreamy hawk]

They had been doing that the whole time iirc. But yes, the trih xeem was first used by them a long time ago.

[raven marlin]

Do you think the Sleepers onboard were experimented on? That freaky video from the ARG made me think more went on than them just dying in their seals.

[muted siren]

Hello guys! Does anyone have an article or video that can tell the whole story of Marathon 1-3 before the Marathon (2026)?

[subtle oracle]

Im simply stating what we have evidence of. If we were fighting for or spht on the maps we have rn, I'd agree with you but until its shown that space races are on the surface, we can only assume they're marathon locked

[timber loom]

I hope 5k restriction should ward off from people that usually load in with free kit and die from toxic plant 60 seconds later

[dreamy hawk]

This is what I lean towards currently. Colonization made the planet pissed, but the attack was the final nail that broke everything.

[digital plaza]

True

[subtle oracle]

I think cannabalism, experimentation, and purposeful "malfunctions" all happened to the frozen ppls

[raven marlin]

I feel personally attacked

[lunar cove]

Let me link a playlist of 20 minute videos about each game once I'm back at my desk

If that's not too long

[subtle oracle]

they said everyone will get ONE free all blues kit to try cryo with

[digital plaza]

Hope so

[muted siren]

Yes please! any length is good

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

And I’m sure others have more to add.

[lunar cove]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfZTtT3IEdDjQTHu3NqLjOUX65d4cDG54&si=KuWXG4cxY10jxVy8

these are review/lore dumps about the extended bungie rabbithole

[muted siren]

Thank you guys

[digital plaza]

ONE TIME ONLY

[subtle oracle]

Did rollin condense the primer lmao

[lunar cove]

you don't need to watch the Myth ones, but you should watch Pathways into Darkness since that game ties into Marathon and Jason Jones mentioned that it takes place in the same universe back in the day (though how connected it remains is questionable)

[subtle oracle]

Ohhh i had no idea rollin alr posted a primer a few days before mine lmao

[sage lark]

Yeah the blue kits are one time only

[soft summit]

so is cryo archive just a section of the entire marathon ship itself?

[digital plaza]

Yeah

You can see it being yellow in the map selection screen

[lunar cove]

it's the place that stored the original colonists who waited in stasis during the journey

[dreamy hawk]

There’s no gospel here. Share whichever is easiest to access; it’s all about getting others excited and/or caught up. But also feel free to use mine. I didn’t do the work for nothing. 😂

[soft summit]

so the marathon ship is like a really huge colony place?

[subtle oracle]

oh absolutely I just didnt even realize

[dreamy hawk]

Yes. It’s a generational colony ship with some folks in cryo sleep.

[lunar cove]

yeah, the Marathon was a generation ship meant to travel the 12 light years from Earth to Tau Ceti over a 300 year journey

some of the crew were asleep the whole time, some of them were awake and working, some of them were born and died on the journey

they built it by hollowing out Mars' moon Deimos and building a ship out of it

[cinder vine]

Because Sol did not possess FTL travel at the time

[lunar cove]

you can see the remains of the moon connected to the ship

[soft summit]

so the ship reached tau ceti and then what happened after do we not know why the ship is abandoned?

[subtle oracle]

"You waited in the soil for us to sow our seeds, the ones we brought with us. You infected our crops, and then you infected our people."

[lunar cove]

the colonists landed and were having an okay time for a couple decades, got attacked by aliens, had some crop failures and possibly an ancient underground demon poisoning their minds, and then died or disappeared

the game takes place about 100 years after they all died/disappeared, and we don't know exactly what killed all of them, but we know a few things that killed some of them

[soft summit]

so we will possibly fight aliens that are worse than the ticks?

[lunar cove]

in the original games from the 1990s, we know exactly what happened and when, but in this timeline it's unclear

[lunar cove]

at least one kind of actual alien soldier (like in Halo or Mass Effect) has been shown in trailers and confirmed to be waiting for us aboard the ship in the new map

they're based on an enemy from the original game, but seem a lot scarier to us than they were to the hero of the 1990s games

[soft summit]

are you talking about the red guy in the body bag or a different guy altgoether

[cinder vine]

The ship was attacked by an alien race called the Phfor with help from the S'pht (who we have also seen in the trailers for the Cryo Archive and we know are still on the ship)

[lunar cove]

the one with the red cape and green glowing orb, they're called Compilers

[wintry summit]

And during this time they were building a district dedicated to information storage and transfer in a world where digital information, 3d printing, and FTL communication are common

They were building the data infrastructure up until the very moment of collapse (codex entries on hauler, data wall, and the two relays)

[lunar cove]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/CM_images/Marathon_Image.jpg

the guy in the middle

[soft summit]

lmao i thought that was a body bag

[cinder vine]

The Compiler is not "in a body bag" that's just his... body lol

[soft summit]

is this just 1 guy or a race

[lunar cove]

compilers are basically a brain in a jar inside a robot body that hovers, wrapped in a cape

[cinder vine]

A race

[subtle oracle]

One in the back right just flashing everyone

[soft summit]

do they have magic or like telepathy powers?

[sage lark]

I think the silhouette of the compilers is similar to the cryo body bags on purpose

[lunar cove]

they're slave soldiers for another group of aliens called the pfhor, who haven't shown up yet in Marathon except for being mentioned

[cinder vine]

Uhhhh I wouldn't calll it "magic" they have cybernetic stuff going on

[subtle oracle]

The S'pht have 11 clans and the compilers are one of them. Each clan is physically different

[sage lark]

They are specialists in cyber warfare and shoot green beams and can go invisible

[subtle oracle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marathongame/images/6/6a/Spht_kr.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080126010916
the sphtkr for example

[lunar cove]

the Pfhor look more like regular people, they have two arms and two legs, grey or blue type skin, and three eyes

[spice carbon]

wait... where are they mentioned in the new game?

[soft summit]

so we havent seen anything yet then

[cinder vine]

Though it's hard to say the Phfor "look like humans" lol, but they are at least bipedal

[lunar cove]

there's a codex entry where colony soldiers do an autopsy on a dead alien soldier that's described very similarly to a pfhor

[subtle oracle]

we believe they are the "REDACTED" on a lot of the xenobiopsy stuff

[wintry summit]

Whoa. What is this in that photo?

I can't attach it, but in the background above the dying man is a blue and white figure that looks like a 40k Eldar Dark Reaper / Dire Avenger

They have some sort of melee weapon

[dreamy hawk]

Not quite. The ten clans all got enslaved by the P’fhor and became compilers or the other forms the stick the S’pht into.

[lunar cove]

the guy with the glowing staff?

that's a Pfhor soldier

[dreamy hawk]

The eleventh clan just dipped in time to avoid enslavement.

[soft summit]

is there any good videos on the lore

[subtle oracle]

So since the sphtkr werent enslaved they were able to be a diff shape?

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[spice carbon]

know where i can read or listen to the this codex?

[sage lark]

Xenobiopsy item in codex notes autopsies on a biped alien presumed to be a Pfhor fighter

In game or the website

[dreamy hawk]

Yes. They developed in parallel on their own, as opposed to being forced into enslavement. That’s why they’re so unique looking compared to other S’pht we see.

[subtle oracle]

gooot it

ty

[sage lark]

The Spht kr were exiled or left

[cinder vine]

Yeah I like HiddenXperia's videos, he goes pretty in depth

[dreamy hawk]

I’m a pedant. I’m all about the details. Anytime. 😂

[sage lark]

They teleported their moon out of Lhowon

[lunar cove]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/xenobiopsy?directory=World,Outpost

The specimen is 193 centimeters long—or tall, rather—and weighs 72 point… Let's call it six… 72.6 kilograms. It presents a mixture of both arthropodal and vertebrate characteristics. The subject is hairless and has no finger- or toenails. It is bipedal, so it has been arranged on the examination table adaxial side up.

[dreamy hawk]

“Deuces.” -S’pht Kr probably

[dreamy hawk]

100% a P’fhor or I’m not a biped.

[sage lark]

Smell ya later

[cinder vine]

also this is a dumb question but how are y'all picking a faction for your names and stuff

[subtle oracle]

Do we think the compiler in cryo is a normal one or an Older

[dreamy hawk]

Channels and Roles at the top of the channel list.

[dreamy hawk]

What do you mean by “normal” and “older?”

[wintry summit]

Where's Dr Vhalen when you need her

[cinder vine]

🤦‍♀️ I was looking for a roles channel and it was just combined there so I didn't see it, thank you, I feel so dumb

[dreamy hawk]

Nawh. Asking questions is never dumb.

[eternal shell]

this is LORE CHAT, we UNDERSTAND in this muthafucka, get your combatative ass back to general chat

[sage lark]

Huh

Little outta left field

[subtle oracle]

In Bobs Big Date T3 in M2 (ik we're not using M2 so this may be defunct) it states each clan has whats called an "Older" aka a head of the clan. Ik minors are the red ones and majors are purple, but maybe they threw out that distinction and the huge one is an Older? Depends if we see multiple in cryo or just one big one

"/-/Spht-Translator-Active/-/

Before he disappeared, the Master called
the eleven Olders.

One by one they came before him to hear his
words.

Each heard their clan names,

S'pht'Lhar, S'pht'Hra, S'pht'Nma,
S'pht'Kah, S'pht'Vir, S'pht'Yra, S'pht'Val,
S'pht'Shr, S'pht'Mnr, S'pht'Yor, and
S'pht'Kr."

[eternal shell]

yes i suppose

[lunar cove]

I would expect the compiler to function kind of like the Wardens in the UESC dominated maps

[dreamy hawk]

OH! I mean maybe. But those were leaders, clan elders, I don’t think they’d be front line or left behind. But maybe.

[lunar cove]

though it'd be neat if there were more of them

[sage lark]

Probably a bit harder

[subtle oracle]

Ig based off the old CM art, compilers were massive huh

So an Older may be even bigger than the one we're encountering

[digital plaza]

Got some info on Cryo archive, damn I feel more excited about it now

[lunar cove]

yeah compilers are big

[digital plaza]

Feeling like 😊

[subtle oracle]

secret info??

[digital plaza]

Very much yes

[dreamy hawk]

The art in the original games is also wildly inconsistent. The SO wears different things, looks different, etc., so I’d take visual representations from those with salt.

[wintry summit]

If the anomaly broke the colony AIs, why is cereberus resisting? Do we know why (or if it fell, then who is Orion?)

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I see. “I have a funny joke but I’m not going to tell you.” Rub it in, why doncha. ❤️

[lunar cove]

Cerberus is new, part of Orion's expedition. It's an AI. Orion is a person in a Shell, like the characters we play. He's the officer in the UESC army in charge of keeping the colony locked down and covering up what happened

presumably he's not near enough to the anomaly to actually get effected, just puppeting the bots

[subtle oracle]

[wintry summit]

So are you implying that Cerberus (the clankers) might become corrupted? And that Orion (a government runner?) Is independent?

[digital plaza]

😊

[dreamy hawk]

Or we just haven’t gotten far enough along for Cerberus to start going wacky.

[subtle oracle]

Us early girlies are eating good

[digital plaza]

He’s not physically present on the planet

So anomaly doesn’t affect him, but it does affect robots

[subtle oracle]

Anyway I think tehy took heavy inspiration from CM art because they are much larger than a human in NuM and its extremely difficult to get scale from the og trilogy gameplay

[sage lark]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[prime rose]

we cannot say for certain the anomaly is not affecting new AIs present at TCIV on the surface or in orbit - we know whatever went wrong with the colony AI was not immediately apparent to the colonists

[wintry summit]

Hmm. You know what, that makes sense. Maybe that's why the lock down event is still happening during in-universe present day.

Cerberus is the one doing it

[sage lark]

The anomaly is stated to affect people and AI in close proximity

Though the shared nightmares are likely longer range

[cold pawn]

He lore buffs, can we assume Durandal has a connection with Felini?
More specificly is there a possibility they are semi the same
i ask bc I gave a poen mentioning Felini, and the marathon account responded speaking as if Durnadal... hence I ask

[prime rose]

All of the information we have about the anomaly comes from clueless people trying to make sense of it, after being in the dark for quite some time though.

[sage lark]

None of the liason AI are in Tau Ceti besides ONI

[latent python]

I do like the idea that the SO was like eight feet tall and no one was supposed to notice he was a cyborg supersoldier

[eternal shell]

"haha yeah bob's very tall :)"

[prime rose]

some people have speculated that Durandal might have a subroutine cruising around in a bingus cat body but afaik we don't have anything there besides speculation

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I missed the ONI was in TC. We’re certain of this?

[digital plaza]

True, but we do see that colony AI was particularly affected by it because they were physically present on the planet

[cold pawn]

Well I may have proof of a semi=connection... ill dm it

[sage lark]

First mission there are no FTL comms established

Tutorial

[eternal shell]

in the tutorial oni wants us to set up a ftl radio

[digital plaza]

Like Darius AI core being covered by contagion fungi

[dreamy hawk]

Duh. I keep forgetting the tutorial. It’s shockingly relevant to a lot.

[wintry summit]

Well we know that Darius and the medical AI went nuts.

We know that Cerberus is the clankers and has a digital immune system of sorts

And we know that the lock down event and uesc activity is still very high at a location that should be dangerous to them

[eternal shell]

we're there, so oni has to be there

[digital plaza]

An hence he was first to go mad

[prime rose]

There are FTL comms to Sol to be clear, but you the runner does not have access to them

Equanimity deploys lightspeed comms relays between Sol and TCIV during its voyage to ensure contact w colony can't be lost again

[dreamy hawk]

He played basketball back in college, OK?

[digital plaza]

Yes very much so https://youtu.be/QcNVqAYJLZU?is=fkKXeJUjKJMUAzsP

[cold pawn]

ah, thx

[sage lark]

We dont even know for certain if the Equanimity is in system its supposed to be by 2984

[digital plaza]

And I even got a somewhat confirmation of this but y’all gotta believe me on this one

[dreamy hawk]

You’ve been trustworthy so far.

👀

[prime rose]

yes we do, we have security footage from the Equanimity mission dated 2893 in the ARG

[dreamy hawk]

I’d like confirmation because I’m still unclear if it arrived early or is on its way. I keep hearing both.

[prime rose]

Equanimity captures security footage from New Cascadia of both a compiler and of runners in 2893, so they are present by that date. The bigger question is when/how runners arrived.

[latent python]

If it's taken 100 years to get there and it's one year away I'd hope it's pretty close by now

[sage lark]

0.122c for 11.9 LY

Thats max speed too

They were stated to arrive by 2984

[prime rose]

.122c doesnt work for its max speed unless it can accelerate and decelerate instantly

more likely is a max speed of .244C at the midpoint and then a flip and burn for the second half of the journey to decelerate

[sage lark]

So Orion came with the Equanimity

[prime rose]

I don't think we know if he did or not. He is not specifically mentioned in the Equanimity manifest or crew compliment. We know there is an FTL method to TCIV now, established after Equanimity departed

Equanimity did deploy with 240 security drones and a small compliment of biomata shells for specialist teams but the UESC bots we fight are described in their lore cards as being fairly cutting edge

also the Equanimity was not gigantic - it wasn't hauling anything like the big lockdown slab ship

[sage lark]

Interesting but then there is a possibility of us fighting the new cyborgs? I remember someone mentioned there was 48 of them in the manifest

[prime rose]

no cyborgs on Equanimity - just biomata

They specifically did not bring cyborgs because when the Marathon left Sol, cyborgs were only used as weapons of mass destruction, and colonists would perceive it as a military invasion

[dreamy hawk]

1000000% I will not take any other answers.

[latent python]

God I love the lockdown ship

[dreamy hawk]

I’m convinced they said that. I’m not convinced they did that.

[sage lark]

Interesting so much info from the ARG

We were kinda left guessing since we didn’t engage with it

But i guess it answers a lot

[dreamy hawk]

That exchange also sounded like a lot of others were pro-Cyborg, it was just that one individual who said “hold up.” Things getting smuggled aboard ships, especially Cyborgs, has Marathon precedent. But this is all conjecture unsupported by actual text.

[prime rose]

its possible the warhawk faction smuggled some aboard or something I guess but my take is that it is not the case

they still got their wish in the form of a big compliment of spec ops guys with cutting edge biomata shells

[dreamy hawk]

And your take is 100% better supported than mine. But I’m running with my take until it never happens. 😂

[dreamy hawk]

Also very fair point.

[sage lark]

What is your guess on the redacted enemies in night marsh

Or even surprises in cryo

[dreamy hawk]

I just think a Cyborg would be a great way to tickle old fans for sure.

[sage lark]

You think the fungal zombie theory could work out or its gonna be those spec op uesc

[prime rose]

personally I expect compilers are not the only aliens we are going to encounter but I don't know what the timeline is for others to show up. I think pfhor warriors are too iconic not to show up at some point.

[latent python]

The lockdown ship feels like something the Qud guys suggested
"what if there was a 100 METER CUBE from SPACE that suddenly showed up and KILLED YOU WITH LASERS"
Bungie scribbling furiously

[sage lark]

With data virus 👆

[latent python]

the LASERS are VIRUSES

[prime rose]

my biggest lore questions remain

1. bungie pls i am begging you tell us how they do FTL and when it was developed. are they using a teleporter relay from Sol to TCIV? how did it get to TCIV if so? is it warp travel? what is it

2. will we ever find out why Traxus has an 'Interdimensional Diplomacy' office

[lunar cove]

I love the aesthetic of all of the UESC stuff just being cubes and squares tbh

it feels like everything is being 3d printed on site

which it is

[sage lark]

Still praying for fungus amongus zombies

[dreamy hawk]

I have many complaints of Bungie (they gaslight fans too much) but design is not one of them.

[sage lark]

Im questioning the attachment for redacted enemies, if thats compilers or some other redacted enemy

[lunar cove]

we can infer at least one of the redacted enemies is a pfhor soldier or navy crew or something

[sage lark]

@digital plaza btw dodo if youre EU based you could squad with me and my brother, we play duo fill and we plan on playing on saturday

[dreamy hawk]

Maybe “Xenos” or similar?

[sage lark]

You think?

[lunar cove]

pfhor when the pfive walk in type shit

[dreamy hawk]

No one wants to play on the Best Coast with me. 🙁

[sage lark]

Its weird the Codex entries name drop the compiler in threats but the attachment says [redacted] enemies

[digital plaza]

Why do robots got earth mars venus printed on them? Were venus colonised or something?

[amber berry]

So why did the message back from the marathon to earth take 92 years if tau ceti is like 12 ly away?

[dreamy hawk]

There are I think orbitals and other things; the asteroid belt is colonized. Not impossible to imagine.

[latent python]

I almost feel like we need a separate lore LFG

[dreamy hawk]

Unironically if people want to do collectibles or stare at graffiti please DM me. Solo queue has too many sweaty people and when I random fill I annoy people with this.

[lunar cove]

Leela forgot to pay the phone bill

[latent python]

Get ComStar on the phone

[dreamy hawk]

Or she forgot where earth was. Poor Leela.

Those S’pht viruses did a number on her.

[digital plaza]

I am, but im kinda anti social guy, we’ll see, thanks for the invite tho ❤️

[sage lark]

Np

In game comms are fine

[digital plaza]

Interesting

[dreamy hawk]

Remember Battleroids were first made on two asteroid colonies that were at war with one another. There’s admittedly not a lot of other lore iirc, but if folks are fighting wars in the asteroid belt, I’d assume things are more densely populated than less.

But you know what they say about assumptions. ☺️

[digital plaza]

Interesting that it’s Venus and not luna

[dreamy hawk]

The UESC turned Luna into a preserve after Deimos to spite the Martians harder. No one can live there anymore.

(This is canon until I’m proven wrong.)

[sage lark]

Yeah theres a weapon mod from Cryo that says it deals significantly more damage to [REDACTED] Combatants

Called Punishment

[digital plaza]

👀

[dreamy hawk]

I’m calling first on a “Xeno” combatant type.

[sage lark]

Idk if thats just blueballing the Pfhor

[sage lark]

I hope so

[misty zephyr]

Would be fire to get Compilers!!!

Also, i forgot what it was, but there’s a section somewhere (i think in the codexes) with Ticks all by themselves

[dreamy hawk]

I think that’s guaranteed at this point.

[misty zephyr]

very likely that that area’s gonna get fleshed out pretty soon, weird to have ticks all by themselves if we’re not gonna get new aliens relatively soon

[sage lark]

We are already getting them

Thats why i wonder if its different

[misty zephyr]

fair

personally i’m interested in seeing whether the aliens/new enemies will be seasonal or what

[terse grail]

does anyone know what the key 18-452-136 is?

[misty zephyr]

imo bungie have definitely proven themselves with faction focus sort of mechanics in destiny, it’ll be nice to eventually have a cycling roster of aliens throughout the seasons, keep wipes fresh and allow them to spice up and add some to diffferent species before their reintroduction

[sage lark]

MIDA quest

[terse grail]

ahhh so you can only pick it up if you have the quest

[sage lark]

Or if someone else does

[terse grail]

cause my squad found it and weren't able to pick it up

[sage lark]

Idk if its contested

Ah ok

[terse grail]

we thought it might be part of the arg

[sage lark]

Nah thats done i believe

[terse grail]

so I've been told

[digital plaza]

Yea the arg was completed today and we got Cryo archive trailer and stuff

[pure wagon]

Has anyone unlocked all the logs for the effigy item?

[dreamy hawk]

What are those ones titled?

[digital plaza]

I think I might be one of those solo sweats 😭

[terse grail]

is that the confiscated colonial folklore?

[digital plaza]

Yes

[terse grail]

also, do we know what the Compiler Ganglion is used for yet?

[digital plaza]

No

[pure wagon]

Yea the thing that looks like the red you know what. I’ve read the first one but haven’t seen the others and very much would like to. Was wondering if they were shared anywhere

[dreamy hawk]

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/confiscated-colonial-folklore?search=Confiscated @pure wagon

[pure wagon]

Oh awesome! Ty!!

[dreamy hawk]

I was looking at what I still need to do to get the Archivist title, and then I recalled you were almost there, and I though “damn.” I technically haven’t unlocked any of the steps yet.

Yes. Yes you are. 😂❤️

[digital plaza]

XD

[still peak]

lfg lvl 25 2kd trials d1 and d2 dm

[dreamy hawk]

#lfc-any-zone

[robust relic]

Get Appealmogged

[latent python]

Mpreg

[zealous laurel]

I'm just hoping for more toxic Durandal/Tycho yaoi

Especially since it also seems to be Old Man AI Yaoi as well

[digital plaza]

There is a gold collectible about some conversations hidden in code or something? I’m inclined to believe it’s ship AIs talking to each other

Durandal dropped new podcast teaser https://x.com/marathonthegame/status/2034784769016570116?s=46

[lunar cove]

Durandal is actually french for "Two Randalls"

imagine if they had three

[floral slate]

i could listen to durandal for hours...

ksdjsdkl

[tranquil basin]

I mean maybe but it definitely wouldn’t make the timeline shift like that

The terminal dates were always weird. Even in the ogs they had one centuries earlier than the actual date

[prime cipher]

I don’t know my guy all I know is the ship date is 2777

[eternal shell]

i read it as "what happened here will determine what happens next"

[prime cipher]

Maybe it’s something maybe not

[sage lark]

Yeah pretty much

[dreamy hawk]

So we need to prepare and come up with a lore justification for why Cryo is only weekends because people are gonna ask. Durandal only has custody of the Marathon on weekends??

[lunar cove]

Tycho gets the frozen colonists on weekdays

[eternal shell]

aw man all he does is teleport us into vacuum

[lunar cove]

my cousin had a similar arrangement

[eternal shell]

so did mine

[lunar cove]

his ex also summoned an alien privateer vessel to pillage their colony

[dreamy hawk]

Classic ex.

[sage lark]

The Jjaro courts determined Durandal gets custody only on weekends. He has to take us to baseball practice and ice cream after.

[lunar cove]

Durandal and Tycho splitting the Marathon in sort of a Wire S2 McNulty situation where he buys them bunk beds from ikea the day before visitation and then sends them to shadow hardened criminals

[neon viper]

This is so cool! Who's responsible for this and is there anything we can do on our end to help with these efforts?

[dreamy hawk]

@dense flare would be the one to ask and praise.

[pseudo python]

Would it only being available maybe have to do with the planets orbit?

Maybe he likes to open his sunroof?

[tranquil basin]

It’s all me (I’m lying)

[subtle oracle]

Oh no I missed a rare julia sighting. i wanted to ask if gantry is a runner

[tranquil basin]

A wild Julia Nardin appeared!
dodododododorooadodododododod
Dun dun dun dun
Dun dun dun dun dunnnn
Do do do do do do do do do do do do do dooooooooooooooo

Marton server members used: bombard with 736384049747472917 questions!

[pseudo mica]

I need the lore ✨️

[dreamy hawk]

I’ve got lore. How much you want? Whatchu looking for? A quick high? Something chill?

Aww I’d have answered the lockdown question. 😂

[pseudo mica]

A hotline number

[tranquil basin]

I’d like an answer to that bc idk what blitz was talking about

[sharp quarry]

please do no one in general is getting back to me

[cinder vine]

General chat is a forsaken place

We do not go there

[dreamy hawk]

I don’t remember what they were. 😂

[high ore]

What map can you find the UESC HELMET?

[livid lion]

Cryo

[digital plaza]

Perimeter & Cryo archive

[red stump]

i think its interesting that perimeter has the durandal fragments

[lunar cove]

these "in a single" run challenges got me moving like Stringer Bell

[red stump]

along with other marathon items

(as in from the ship, obviously every item in marathon is a "marathon item")

[brisk citrus]

Legit just started this game today but I love the lore, where do I start?

[craggy finch]

Honestly just venting because I died or lost lore collectibles while trying to exfil, but the idea of having to unlock story material by having to bring them all the way to the end feels oxymoronic: the sweats who can speed through the game are less likely to read the lore while the casuals like me who want to learn more are locked behind a skill gate to access the only form of storytelling so far

I want to just read shit, why are you making me go through these hoops

[craggy finch]

You can unlock story details through priority contracts and completing certain challenges but there’s also a website collecting the codex entries

https://codex.cyberacme.systems

[subtle oracle]

The pain in watching aztecross just skip through the 250 codex entries he has

[neat radish]

my current working theory is that our marathon, in this game, is gone
the "marathon" we are about to board is from one of the original timelines
so far from the trailer it's our first and only interaction with the s'fit in this game

and i think Durandal knows this

[craggy finch]

Seriously just allow the people who give a fuck about the story to unlock those in a more manageable way that isn’t crippled by some dickhead shooting you in the back

[neat radish]

"you were never meant to walk in the starlight"

[craggy finch]

There are logs explaining that the original invasion was essentially covered up by New Cascadia

Any reference to them is redacted

[neat radish]

interesting 👁️

i also havent played this game yet but ive been dying to
i love the lore in the old games 😩

[brisk citrus]

Thanks!

[craggy tide]

I also have a ton of codex entries unlocked lol

[craggy finch]

A lot of the fun is speculating what did or didn’t happen

[craggy tide]

Not 250 unlocked

[craggy finch]

Only the events of the first Marathon seem to be set in stone

[digital plaza]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[neat radish]

yeah its so cool

im having so much fun coming up with theories and trying to parse the scraps of info

[craggy finch]

Infinity also helped set up a soft reboot of sorts because they already told multiple alternate versions of the events post-M1

[brisk citrus]

I didn't even know there were other games lol

[craggy finch]

All three are free on Steam

[digital plaza]

Its how things is brother, want some lore? STEP UP YOUR GAME TWIN

[lunar cove]

they were sort of the proto-Halos Bungie made in the 90s

[cinder vine]

Yeah but don't play the steam versions, they control like ass.

[craggy finch]

Dont mind the similarities to Halo, Bungie reused a lot of concepts from Marathon

[digital plaza]

Died couple of times with lore items too, was so fucking angry that everytime they were the ones i dont have

[lunar cove]

iirc Marathon is the first FPS to use a mouse to aim

[digital plaza]

But it is what it is

[craggy finch]

Eh, it’s just discouraging

And Bungie needs as many casual people as they can get

It’s marketing suicide to draw people in with story then fuck them up when they try to access it

[brisk citrus]

Oh yeah, I'm definitely checking those out, I loves older games for sure so that's a plus

[digital plaza]

Its extraction shooter, genre itself is a bitch to play

Kinda the whole point of it really

[neat radish]

im kinda viewing this game as the doom 2016 to the og games

[craggy finch]

There needs to be a caveat because no fan of the old lore gives a shit about extraction shooters

The lore is why I bought it

[digital plaza]

You either like it or dont

[craggy finch]

Not the sweaty ass gameplay

[digital plaza]

Unlucky then

[craggy finch]

That’s not how they’re going to keep players

[craggy finch]

For Bungie

[digital plaza]

xddd

[faint ingot]

Didn’t we discover Cryo archive.systems through the ARG? Because there’s a customization sticker that is a QR code that leads to the website.

[dusk siren]

It's an extraction shooter. That will not change. I swear every time I'm in here I see you with some strange take.

I'm a fan of the old lore to, but this game was sold to me as an extraction shooter.

[craggy finch]

Yeah but even dedicated ARG people are struggling through the puzzles so I’m just observing

[digital plaza]

Yeah, its a whole damn universe with 30 years of lore

[deep solar]

every bungie game is connected to Marathon too

[faint ingot]

I’m just wondering because it’s possible that we could’ve gotten access to the website much earlier if scanning the QR code is all it was

[craggy finch]

Then enjoy watching Sony pull the plug if they don’t adapt

[dusk siren]

I wouldn't say 30 years of lore, it's lore is 30 years old lmao. Not the same.

[deep solar]

no 30 years of lore, Halo, Destiny, it's all connected

[runic lake]

this the only place I with confidence ask this, but ive been thinkin since they're gonna do multiple zones on the marathon, would there be any levels from the og game that youd wanna see "remade" as part of a larger zone?

[dusk siren]

At no point have they actually stated the Lores are connected and until they do, no.

[craggy finch]

Maybe G5 Sunbathing

[lunar cove]

Jason Jones did say at one point that Pathways and Marathon have some kind of connection, I found a quote on Hamish's site somewhere

about like, the Pathways into Darkness hint guide

[craggy finch]

Marathon Is a direct sequel to Pathways essentially

[lunar cove]

but the rest are more thematic

[runic lake]

that'd be fire, a zone in vacuum needing oxygen refills would be a cool mechanic

[deep solar]

Canonically no they're not connected sure. But is it not a little fun to draw little schizo connections between Halo and Marathon and Destiny? yes i say

[lunar cove]

I think it was from one of the Craig Mullin art feature pages, let me search a bit

[pallid drum]

is the ARG talked about much here?

[runic lake]

its bassically accepted universally atp that Marathon and Pathways are the same universe, idk if bungie has ever outright confirmed it but they might as well have

[lunar cove]

#breach-protocol is the dedicated ARG channel

[craggy finch]

Yeah mostly regarding the lore of cryo archive not the puzzles itself

[brisk citrus]

Ik what I'm doing for the foreseeable future

[knotty dew]

I haven't picked the game up yet despite having waited on it since the very first teaser. I'm just worried I won't care very long for the extraction aspect. Which brings me to my question for those who have been playing: how much lore does the game feed you? Is it consistent and substantial? Or is it locked in flavortexts rewarded for hard-to-achieve progression milestones?

[lunar cove]

the important thing about the hint book epilogue was to make all the player character's artifacts from the pyramid disappear from circulation before the marathon story begins. curious to know where they were in 2472, though, or who was really responsible for the projection in the spring of 1994."

[dusk siren]

Fun, yes, canonical lore? No. Again, Marathons lore is nearly 30 years old. What happened with Destiny/Halo wasn't a continuation of marathon. That is all I was saying.

[lunar cove]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/CM_pid.html

[craggy finch]

You can get a lot of the lore from the mainline quests, but keep in mind you have to grind a bit with the factions to access the next step

You also unlock them from completing certain tasks like killing a specific enemy

[dusk siren]

Thank you btw, I do appreciate seeing some of the actual links of lore

[craggy finch]

And some deeper stuff is contained in collectibles you need to exfil with

[knotty dew]

Is it mostly text-based entries? Or are there cinematics?

[craggy finch]

Cinematics at the very beginning, after that it’s text and audio logs

[deep solar]

Talking heads + text and audio logs

*talking heads with art that goes HARD

[knotty dew]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-upset-disappointed-sad-gif-13711197

[craggy finch]

It’s accurate to the originals I suppose

[deep solar]

if it makes you feel any better there were no cinematics in the originals either

[craggy finch]

Hollywood style cutscenes wouldn’t be as fitting really

[deep solar]

would be cool though if our different faction handlers would be mission control while we ran their contracts

[knotty dew]

I should clarify that the reason I ask about cinematics, I don't necessarily mean action shots, but anything that's a moving picture with sound. I'm just curious because I'm thinking you wouldn't experience lore through in-game events being that they're largely non-narrative extractions, right? Like a sweaty try-hard could probably just focus on the extraction aspect itself and miss everything related to lore?

[lunar cove]

the Jason Jones quote there also implies that it's not certain who actually told Earth about the Wrkncacnter

[burnt nebula]

cryo archive only available on weekends is an interesting decision

[craggy finch]

The faction leaders have briefings for priority contracts

They also directly connect with a central narrative

[lunar cove]

They're not quite cutscenes they're more like idk

like in an RPG when you have a conversation with a voiced character

[deep solar]

I'd compare them to talking heads from Fallout 1 + 2

[lunar cove]

yeah that's a good comparison

it's like uh

[deep solar]

except less claymation

[burnt nebula]

those kinda always suck tbh. how this game handles it is way better imho

[lunar cove]

if you've played Cyberpunk, it's like when you're talking to Delamain the robot taxi

only with more curated art direction

[deep solar]

Delemain would fit right in with our goofy little faction handlers

so would the Blackwall AIs

[knotty dew]

Interesting.

[craggy finch]

@knotty dew there’s also an in game mini game where you can track down OG Marathon terminals to hear Durandal address you

[deep solar]

went to Bucc-ees with my wife today, now we need to find a lore accurate way to get a Bucc-ees sponsored kit

[burnt nebula]

all the lil data pads and voice recordings etc. are so cool. it gives you so much context without doing a tonne of work. just makes you think about how complex the whole mission to TCIV really was. they got you thinking about what they were teaching the kids. how the scientists were reacting to the food problems. the corruption in all the corporations... so much stuff to think about and its so simple how its being delivered

[craggy finch]

I enjoy it especially since the colony is more of a footnote in the original games

[deep solar]

i find myself reading the codex lore much more than lore tabs in Destiny.

[digital plaza]

Same, destiny lore tabs are absolute mess

[burnt nebula]

the only stuff i skip are the obvious ones... like the description of the commanders. this one shoots grenades at you. this one shoots toxins at you. i dont need to read that lol

[lunar cove]

I think even those occasionally have little bits to them

[burnt nebula]

i know cos i just killed the mf

[burnt nebula]

maybe. they're short. i can always go back to them. i wasnt expecting much from them except "the UESC uses these for X type of mission"

[knotty dew]

I feel like this aesthetic version of Marathon, especially in light of the Alberto Mialgo vid, would absolutely kill it with a single-player liminal space experience like Subliminal or POOLS.

[lunar cove]

some of them have stuff wondering about like, why are the UESC testing these particular drones here

or for the elite ones it mentions stuff like how the grunts aren't immune to their grenades so you can use that against them

[burnt nebula]

nah i think the game is perfect for putting you in the shoes of a mercenary. it has the right kind of stakes. you cant just cheese runner on runner engagements cos they're actually other people

[digital plaza]

Solo is a horror experience tho

[burnt nebula]

solo is a stealth experience

i really enjoy it

[deep solar]

one wrong sprint and you're dead in solos

[eternal shell]

rook on outpost is a relaxing experience until it isnt

[digital plaza]

Roomba claymore

[eternal shell]

"juuuust gonna shmoove my way into pinwheel OOP i died"

[round thunder]

its always chill tbh everyone is dead, extracted, or fighting the bots in pinwheel for me

[burnt nebula]

when you know the maps well and the missions everyone is tryna do, you can avoid dying tbh

[deep solar]

i had a solo run earlier where I went in after someone in Pinwheel after doing my quest and i'm pretty sure i was last left alive on the map. nothing good left on pinwheel

[lunar cove]

I love how varied the runs are

[burnt nebula]

i just finished a solo run on Outpost. loaded up a free kit, slaughtered 3 players and walked out stacked to the teeth

[lunar cove]

I'll take a cheap loadout expecting to do a "kill 20 UESC" contract and then it doesn't matter if I die or exfil

and then those are the runs where I find a bunch of purple and blue mods and all of a sudden I'm freaking out trying to exfil safely

[deep solar]

my favorites are a free kit run after losing an expensive loadout, those i'm super locked in

[burnt nebula]

anything i find on a cheap or free loadout i continue and refuse to care about it... when i purposefully load an expensive kit im sweating tho lol

[lunar cove]

I love knife runs too

[eternal shell]

my first knife run was my insanest one

just ran around outpost like a psycho

got out with so much stuff

[scenic iron]

After watching the Cryo video and you see the pods with the human bags. Does that mean some of the OG people who left Mars were still alive when the ship completed its trip?

I thought they all lived and died gens of people on the way there

[eternal shell]

not all

[deep solar]

yeah in some of the logs they talk about how colonists were being rotated in and out of cryo for work

[eternal shell]

some were frozen, some lived and died on the way

[scenic iron]

oh ok

[lunar cove]

yeah, there were a mix of originals and Born-on-Boards

[scenic iron]

There is a lot of cool lore to this series

Makes me want to play the OG games 😛

[burnt nebula]

they were slowly being awakened over time. people were working on the planet and still had friends and family in cryo, waiting to see them again. then shit hit the fan. kinda sad watching the first cinematic trailer at the start when the 2 scientists are looking up and see the sky raining fire

[deep solar]

THey're fantastic you just have to understand they're 30 years old lol

bumping up against walls until you find an exit, incoherent maps, etc

[eternal shell]

it was the wild west of video games

or fpses anyway

[scenic iron]

Interesting why didn't they just wake everyone up and put them on the planet?

[eternal shell]

they're FREE, you can play them right now

[burnt nebula]

its a complicated process i guess. and not enough doctors to do it all at once lol

[scenic iron]

Oh ok makes sense

[craggy finch]

The fact that the colony lasted for at least 30 years would make it seem a bit odd that there were still people in crysleep

Especially after the Pfhor attack

[scenic iron]

So that means BoB's can still be on the ship in crysleep

[deep solar]

You have to scale up resource production on world

[knotty dew]

Final lore question: how much lore can you learn/pick up just playing the game(s)? I know that Bungie went hard with the ARG, which I could never get into because ARGs are too complex for me. Does it ever become necessary to look for info on this thing or that outside the game if you're trying to understand what's happening?

[burnt nebula]

well they also had to get all the food sources up and running. their homes built etc. awakening everyone at once would have put a lot of stress on the system.

[lunar cove]

most of it, in the originals most of the plot and lore stuff is handled through in-game computer terminals

[deep solar]

Sure you could use the ships supplies for everyone. It it’s more sustainable to build up resources on world and slowly wake people up as more resources are available

[lunar cove]

some of them are kind of hidden (Gheritt White)

but a lot of the details are explicit and presented directly to you throughout the gameplay

I would encourage you to just read the Gheritt White terminal online tbh, the puzzle is absolutely not worth it

[knotty dew]

Hmmm... Should I play the originals to get a feel for the world before jumping into this one?

[lunar cove]

I don't think you have to, and they've definitely aged, but if you like those kinds of old school boomer shooters they're extremely influential and groundbreaking

[scenic iron]

The Marathon took 300 years to get there, so after everything went dark it will or took the runners and others 300 years to get to the planet too, right? That means 600+ years have passed since the Marathon left Mars

[burnt nebula]

BoBs arent in cryo sleep. People that are born on board worked, died, and reproduced on the ship.

[lunar cove]

technology advanced since then so it was faster

[digital plaza]

Another Durandal podcast snippet https://x.com/MarathonTheGame/status/2034812327120556120

[lunar cove]

the UESC planned a rescue mission after losing contact that was going to take a little under 100 years

[dreamy hawk]

Runners arrived in ~5 years iirc.

[deep solar]

FTL travel got much better in that 400 ish years

[lunar cove]

and then after that, ships seem to have gotten even faster

[dreamy hawk]

Technology do be advancing.

[lunar cove]

Tau Ceti is 11.9 light years away from our Solar system

Marathon went maybe 0.4% of the speed of light on average?

the Equanimity was going to be going a little over 1%?

[dreamy hawk]

Yea.

[lunar cove]

and it seems like the Runners/Corpos went around 200%

[scenic iron]

I think the moon would have made the Marathon MUCH slower lol

[burnt nebula]

Maybe some BoBs got put into cryo? If there was no work for them to do? Or their family wanted them to have a better life on TCIV? Or no?

[digital plaza]

There is no friction/weight in space

[lunar cove]

in the original games, they have teleportation technology which is technically FTL, but they can't use it over long distances and it needs a sending and receiving pad

[scenic iron]

I wonder if they built other ships like the Marathon and sent then out to other systems in space

[dreamy hawk]

Well actually. 😅

[lunar cove]

there's still mass, and it takes more fuel and time to accelerate higher masses

[scenic iron]

Oh true I forgot about that lol

[eternal shell]

did they have to be ftl tho

[dreamy hawk]

There’s also friction in the form of particle winds.

[eternal shell]

ship to ship could totally be sublight

[dreamy hawk]

Or dust. Or other stuff.

[lunar cove]

if you're moving instantly from one place to another, that's FTL

[deep solar]

Space debris could cause friction as well

[eternal shell]

yeah that's what im asking, was teleporting instant

[lunar cove]

but they can only use the teleporters over short distances, they can't even take stuff from the Marathon to the Colony so they still use shuttles

[dreamy hawk]

They’ve had FTL since before marathon launched with their jump pads.

They were just wildly limited in range.

[digital plaza]

[lunar cove]

the main character notices that the alien ship has the same mirage effect as the smaller teleporters, but he's never seen it on that big of a scale, or without a landing pad

[burnt nebula]

what is the main character from the OG games actually called? did he even have a name?

[humble musk]

So im slowly understanding the lore of marathon as a whole.
Is MIDA the same group from the original trilogy that we the runners take contracts for? Or just coincidence

[lunar cove]

"Security Officer"

[deep solar]

Mar Athon

[scenic iron]

I hope we learn a lot more about the Marathon and I'm sure the ship is lost and can't be used anymore

[burnt nebula]

he was the entire security force tbh lol

[scenic iron]

Damaged big time

[lunar cove]

the ship is in the sky above the maps you can see it sometimes

[digital plaza]

Different generations but yes

[dreamy hawk]

The lights around the airlock are flashing hysterically now. The air from your suit has a cold, stale taste, but it is the taste of life. “Cabin decompression commencing. Shuttle airlock cycle initiation sequence completed.”

Grey white decompressing vapor fills the cylindrical passageway of the airlock. Through the degenerating clouds of the airlock passageway, instead of looking upon the Tau Ceti starscape, you see the Tuncer Mirage Effect: space blurring and focusing in diminishing cycles. The TME is commonplace to you, humanity has used teleporters for almost five hundred years, and you yourself have been teleporting since before you were born. But you’ve never seen the TME cover an area so big before, and never at all without a landing pad. And yet another first: a space fighter materializes right in front of your eyes. Since you don’t recognize the model, it must be an Alien ship.

First, an insane computer and now ALIENS! This has almost ruffled your otherwise calm outward appearance, and you don’t remember the last time you had such a terrible day. But it gets worse when the fighter begins to spin around and yaw down on you and your defenseless Mirata.

“Maximum burn in five seconds. three.. two.. one..”

[tranquil basin]

Security officer, or Mjolnir Recon 54

[scenic iron]

I never noticed it!

[humble musk]

Coooool, never played the original trilogy and the setting is so cool to learn

[tranquil basin]

Or the cyborg

[burnt nebula]

ive just been calling him the security guy

[digital plaza]

John Marathon

[eternal shell]

mjolnerd

[humble musk]

Cant wait to fight an alien soon

[dreamy hawk]

@lunar cove I forgot how hard this slaps.

[lunar cove]

the new map coming out tomorrow is on board the Marathon

[digital plaza]

No

[dreamy hawk]

There’s only one Deimos to steal.

[digital plaza]

Deimos is hollowed out by the way

[burnt nebula]

if the current game was a continuation of the OG games then were is the security officer now?

[scenic iron]

I am not talking trash about other games in the same genre of Marathon, but I really enjoy this game a lot more than the others....and the lore is really part of the exp for me

[eternal shell]

he is off doing his own thing

[dreamy hawk]

With the P’fhor as a captive.

[lunar cove]

assuming it follows the lore of the originals, probably at Lh'owon or something

the S'pht homeworld

[eternal shell]

i headcanon that he's doing all the custom scenarios, and then he's partying

[burnt nebula]

same it's really dank lore

[scenic iron]

and I still want to know why they did that haha was it for a tech reason, or just to make the ship look different and cool etc

[eternal shell]

even the scenarios that contradict eachother. especially those ones.

[burnt nebula]

the only better sci fi lore i can think of better than marathon is 40k

[digital plaza]

Resources for the ship itself and the colony that followed

[lunar cove]

in the original games, they had experience making ships out of hollow asteroids, so they expanded it upwards. The size would protect the people inside from radiation and leave them with ores and stuff to build as they traveled and landed

also the UESC hates Mars and likes making them suffer so they stole their moon

[deep solar]

Security Officer woke up on the Pillar of Autumn just in time for the Covenant to board, then woke up in the Cosmodrome

[lunar cove]

Mars is an impoverished second-class colony that suffers immensely, all the time, for a wide range of reasons in Marathon

[burnt nebula]

imagine stealing someones moon, thats so unhinged

[scenic iron]

That's pretty cool

[lunar cove]

think of Mars as like, even worse cyberpunk east india company type shit

[dreamy hawk]

No. What’s unhinged is not insulting or harming Martians needlessly for giggles.

[scenic iron]

Well at least Mars didn't "need" their moon like Earth does with its moon. Our oceans would be **** without the moon ahha

[lunar cove]

the only people the UESC views as more expendable than Martians are BoBs

[dreamy hawk]

And even then it’s a marginal difference.

[scenic iron]

Wow that's very cold

[lunar cove]

Frog Blast the Vent Core type shit

[scenic iron]

Is the UESC all the Westerns nations of Earth?!? haha

[dreamy hawk]

UESC wishes they thought of making simulacrums first.

[lunar cove]

UESC is like, a solar system wide authority that governs space travel

and basically everything else

[burnt nebula]

heh, lets see them try without any windows after i smash them all

[scenic iron]

I wonder if we will have a version of the UESC one day? I don't mean pricks but the authority over space travels

[lunar cove]

there's a theory that one of the reasons they actually chose Tau Ceti for colonization is because they thought (or knew) that advanced ancient alien technology was there, and wanted to secure it

[burnt nebula]

U steal my moon I smash ur windows got it

[dreamy hawk]

Real fair bargain there.

[lunar cove]

which they knew about because in 1994, an alien hologram appeared to President B--- Clin--- and told him that a wounded alien God crashed on Earth aboard a meteor 65 million years ago, killing the dinosaurs. That alien god's dream was altering reality in a small area of the Yucatan jungle, and it was going to wake up in a few weeks.

The US needed to deploy a small nuclear warhead to act as a snooze button and keep the alien god asleep long enough for the "good" aliens to show up and neutralize it more permanently in two years

[eternal shell]

mida wanting me to smash windows is the silliest shit

like

what

[lunar cove]

What I just typed looks like a shitpost but this is 100% legitimate and non-exaggerated, this all happened

[dreamy hawk]

For realsies.

[lunar cove]

That alien's name? Ryu'toth

[digital plaza]

Most sane marathon universe lore piece

[sick mirage]

i just read a lore bit about runner shells having personality cores added in because it helps runners adapt to it mentally.
so how do i ask this clearly...so in game when we chose a shell, are "we" playing as an edgy assassin runner that uploads their consciousness to a disposable shell.
or are the runners us (as in the players themselves), but everytime we hop in a shell, like the Assassin shell, it has a personality core installed in it that makes us act like an edgelord because it helps stop us from going crazy from repeatedly dying over and over again.

[eternal shell]

the second one as far as i can tell

[visual lynx]

nah he should be free by now

[burnt nebula]

yes

[digital plaza]

Starting punk hell yeah activity

[lunar cove]

It's hard to say exactly who or what you the player are, but my understanding is that you're basically a photocopy of an actual person's brain, who has sold themself into debt slavery as a runner (or been coerced into it). Your consciousness and memories are put into the shells, but the personality matrix handles some of the load

[burnt nebula]

is the real person actually dead though? or is it a 100% legit transfer of real consciousness?

[lunar cove]

one of the promotional videos implies that repeatedly dying and being re-woven as a new shell makes you lose some of your memories or self over time

[digital plaza]

WE ARE RUNNER/DESTINY/GOD/WAVES

[lunar cove]

it's not 100% clear but I think it's implied that the digital you is the real and only you

[visual lynx]

I think the "personality matrices" of runners' shells are a very direct translation of a human player controlling an in-game avatar, where you the player decide where to point and shoot, and your character just knows how to operate the gun so you don't have to think about the micro-mechanics of how to pull a trigger etc, it just executes a pre-programmed animation of firing the gun without anything more than a target and the command from you. likewise it seems you the runner just will to fire at a certain target and your shell’s personality matrix handles the details for you.

[lunar cove]

and when "you" are put into a shell, that's the main you, that shell is your body until you leave it

[burnt nebula]

i cant imagine how you would ever know. i assume that wether it really is or isn't the real person they're still gonna say yes

[lunar cove]

the corpos are possibly lying to you

but it's not clear about what and how much

[tranquil basin]

I think we are to believe it’s a transfer

It’s more meaningful narratively

And if it was just copies then they’d jus copy like a few of the best

[burnt nebula]

true

[burnt nebula]

and true

[haughty orbit]

What do the runners eat anything, or do they die too quickly or do they eat the energy from the health kits, what's up?

[sick mirage]

yea i think that makes sense, a nice integration of what its like to play a game weaved in into the in game lore

[burnt nebula]

they have digestive systems and lungs. so they be eating something.

[lunar cove]

They're able to replicate basically all human functions, for psychological reasons to make human minds adapt better to the bodies, but I don't know if they need to eat the same way people do

[digital plaza]

How do runners poop

[burnt nebula]

same way you do

[digital plaza]

Damn

[fathom egret]

Through marathon secrets and technology 🤓

[visual lynx]

continues the tradition of the classic games having and explanations for saved games (pattern buffers) and the infinity final screen implying your real superpower is being the player of the game rather than some npc

[haughty orbit]

I love the lore implications of mida saying "if you break 5 windows you can buy a bomb"

[sick mirage]

"but Gantry i already killed a lot of UESC grunts, isnt that proof i'm chaotic, cant i just have the bombs now?"
"no you HAVE to break their windows or no claymores for you"

[tranquil kraken]

"if you break five windows you can buy a bomb. if you can buy five bombs you can plant a bomb. if you can plant 5 bombs you can detonate a bomb. if you can detonate 5 bombs, you can aquire surveilance gear from hidden stash in dormitories 0/2"

[dreamy hawk]

Anyone can smash bots. It takes a real MIDA operative to smash windows.

[lunar cove]

actually my squad-fill teammates smashed the windows for me

I was just there looting unstable diodes and such

[dreamy hawk]

That’s on you for keeping good company.

[tranquil kraken]

nu caloric corporate slave smh

[haughty orbit]

Your forgetting the "in a single run"

[tranquil kraken]

so true

[sick mirage]

yea i'd join McDonalds PMC in the dystopian future

[austere elk]

"For BigMacs©!" I yell, as I toss a firebomb into the stupid chud burger king daycare

[craggy finch]

Blow up these underground things with chem grenades, I will only regularly supply you with chem grenades after you finish this quest

[fossil zodiac]

Runnah, leave the front door open to inconvenience the UESC.

[pure wagon]

then write 'uesc sux' on all toilet stall walls
while shooting uesc bots with a gun using the ornathologist (?) chip
*in a single run

[drifting mulch]

Runnah, flip over the floor cleaning machines in Outpost

[fossil zodiac]

Runnah, loosen the lids on their sauce bottles so they make a mess.

[pure wagon]

runnah, spray paint 'orion has a small willy' on every door in the command wing

[fossil zodiac]

😂

[sudden pollen]

💀

[pure wagon]

oh yea speaking of wings, has anyone ever found out officially what the destroyed wing was for?

oh i cant share images here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1089962730666065994/1484174511938076794/image.png?ex=69bd44ba&is=69bbf33a&hm=5563c774eaea76290bbe781c63ac3774f4f5878c67d7556c8fbbafc78ac79549&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1305&height=463

good enough. cause i was looking at these screens at the destroyed wing's end trying to figure out just what was going on there

[sick mirage]

love that the big factions in the future are basically just Microsoft, Coca-Cola group, Raytheon, Pfizer, a terrorist group, and a Liveleak death cult.

[pure wagon]

i hate how accurate that is

[dreamy hawk]

Give me Product or give me death.

[steel gorge]

bigmacs are pretty good tho you cant lie

[dreamy hawk]

The catastrophic damage to the Fabrication wing suggests late-colony complications beyond what's been observed in PERIMETER'S DATA WALL or DIRE MARSH's ANOMALY and QUARANTINE REGION.

[visual lynx]

the fungus could be sentient and also a Jjaro creation, because mycelial networks are crazy complex and resemble neural networks sometimes, and the Jjaro aren't just master cyberneticists but also master genetic engineers so they could have given the planet a fungus-based brain spread throughout its soil

[dreamy hawk]

Was it part of the Pinwheel? I’m least familiar with outpost.

[pure wagon]

where was this from??

[pure wagon]

yea its one of the pinwheel's arms

or rather, was before whatever happened to it happened

[dreamy hawk]

REGION: PINWHEEL

https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/region-pinwheel?search=Region:+pinwheel

[sick mirage]

extract with Big Mac's® to earn faction rep

[pure wagon]

derp should have guessed. ty friend

[fossil zodiac]

Collect x10 Chicken Nuggets and place them in DCON.

[visual lynx]

Marathon is a hard scifi setting inside of a soft scifi setting inside of a cosmic horror setting (inside of a cyberpunk setting?)

[dreamy hawk]

Sentient and Jjaro but influenced by the W’rk from the crack in the prison? 👀

[fossil zodiac]

I thought Marathon was a cooking simulator.

[dreamy hawk]

I am technically correct, which is the best kind!

[pure wagon]

wait this says pinwheelS. plural.

bruh are there multiple colony landing sites on this cursed planet 😨

[digital plaza]

Yes

[violet sapphire]

anyone listen to return on investment 1/5 letter dictation?

interesting stuff

[dreamy hawk]

I will read those next!

[violet sapphire]

listen to the soundbytes on the letter dictation part

implies to me the phfor or compilers were interfacing with colonists

[craggy finch]

Given how much offscreen colony there is, I’m hoping there’s a spaceport map with a massive crater from the nuke the Pfhor dropped on it

[pure wagon]

so literally the whole moon is haunted. wasnt enough for the aliens to blast everything with superior firepower, they had to go and haunt the bloody place and break time so badly it manifested into physical matter one could build with

[sick mirage]

yes, lore says the pinwheels get dropped from The Marathon, just like how theres multiple outposts i g

[dreamy hawk]

I want to follow the lights. They sound nice.

[pure wagon]

assuming the phor dropped a nuke on it. and assuming its the same phor invasion. cause from what ive read of old marathon, the colony as it is right now is uh remarkably well preserved.

cause it seems like something stopped the phor. some outside force that left everyone messed up

[craggy finch]

In the first game only the space port seems to suffer much damage, at the end Leela reveals the Pfhor focused primarily on the Marathon and the nine Mjolnir mopped up the surface invasion with much more ease than what the Marathon defenders experienced

[dreamy hawk]

Assume M1 didn’t happen, for the most part. Pick up from the end of Infinity, more or less.

[craggy finch]

Now consider what one Mjolnir did

The destruction of the colony three months later evidently didn’t happen

[pure wagon]

idk man something's really off about this supposed invasion. between a possibly smart contagion, s'phit somehow being trapped in the marathon and unable to get out, and enough psychic mindmucking to make the imperium of man go feral, it feels like something worse happened on tciv

[craggy finch]

I don’t think the Pfhor had much to do with it honestly, perhaps Durandal fucked them up to a much greater extent in this timeline

[digital plaza]

It was the anomaly’s hallucination

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[pure wagon]

someone fucked them up. i dont think it was durandal but something definitely stepped in and told the p'hor "nah"

[digital plaza]

What

[craggy finch]

They never followed through on the first invasion, which definitely happened based on the Ozymandias trailer’s 2794 scene and the autopsies of Pfhor and Spht bodies

[pure wagon]

as in all this weirdness and more is happening in more than one place on the planet. i didnt realize there was more than one colony site.

[pure wagon]

oh thats true. you're right

[craggy finch]

This specific Outpost is likely a place of particular interest to the UESC, which we learn from Orion’s encounter with what is likely a compiler

It’s also the place where we find the alien organs

[digital plaza]

Maybe it the only one that still on the planet due to the destroyed wing, because one of the final nucaloric audio logs suggest that they left the colony in them back onto the ship

[pure wagon]

gravitational anomaly
thats the thing that lifts ppl up and makes their heads turn into...whatever that stuff is right?

[digital plaza]

Yes

[pure wagon]

i wonder if thats the same thing from the 'anomaly' log prelaunch. the creepy thing saying 'come with me'

[digital plaza]

Yes

There’s a lot of info about it

[pure wagon]

wait rly??

can you point me to it? cause that voice has had me confused and interested

[digital plaza]

Sure, give me couple of minutes

[pure wagon]

ty friend

[knotty dew]

Nothing surpasses the digestion of two paper-thin sheets of meat situated betwixt three slabs of enriched wheatflour mousepads.

[craggy finch]

What if we made it drinkable

[wary merlin]

is the equanimity already at tau ceti

[dense delta]

The crate I had, had scratches on the inside.

[knotty dew]

Liquid meat product. Mmm... As mother's milk to a babe.

[craggy finch]

Tastes like meat

ISNT

[dreamy hawk]

@craggy finch now that it’s really an old topic, I just wanted to acknowledge your earlier rant on collectibles and lore. 💯

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/ban1nNSnaAw , https://youtu.be/4ukW4jJqDWs , https://youtu.be/OFwdNPr8_Ec , https://youtu.be/C1vZDwPmL-U , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/class-b-anomalous-materials?directory=World,Dire+Marsh (for two text logs), https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRdiGkV6ImH6S30fcGW51n5F (for two audio logs), https://youtu.be/_ld9_mMFjCo (became rampant because of the anomaly, continuation of his story - https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRceyu307V2O_f4aqOtIVLWB), https://youtu.be/7N0CIoS1G74 , https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRcFBv8voxcPsZfym_DBJlt2

That should cover it i think

Although im pretty sure i missed some

[craggy finch]

To articulate it a bit more, I’m fine with the gameplay loop and the priority contracts provide strong story progression using that gameplay loop

The collectibles are really the biggest sticking point because that’s little detailed lore stuff that people are going to miss out on

Or they get it and immediately lose out on a codex entry because an Assassin ganked them 2 seconds before exfil

I also lost out on a drinkable cheeseburger log because I put it in the DCON with one minute on the clock but that’s on me

[digital plaza]

Oh and also this - https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/anomalous-extraction?directory=World,Activities , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/return-on-investment-5-5?directory=Factions,Traxus , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/return-on-investment-1-5?directory=Factions,Traxus , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/unsanctioned-hostilities-1-5?directory=Factions,Traxus , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/equitable-distribution-2-4?directory=Factions,Traxus , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/entry/unsanctioned-hostilities-4-5?directory=Factions,Traxus

[subtle oracle]

I dont actually think so.

[wary merlin]

i don’t think so either but i was wondering cause it seems like ppl think so

[digital plaza]

Better to just play the game and get all of this yourself at this amount of information if im being honest...

[subtle oracle]

Bc Orions boss is on the Equanimity and TC4 is clearly still under Orion's watch

[dreamy hawk]

I failed a final exfil with a ton of purple lore. I feel this all deeply. I’m also a mid player at best and even though I can read the lore it doesn’t feel the same as unlocking it. 😂

[craggy finch]

stock image of lady biting laptop

[subtle oracle]

I think there should be a title for getting all the lore pieces

[digital plaza]

Is he tho? I got the impression that he's in Sol, doing biz with Traxus and reporting to the council

[subtle oracle]

or at least the world items like dodo is doing

[craggy finch]

I think it’s vague on if Orion actually is on the Equinimity but he has biomata tech and MIDA talks about his actions in Sol as if they were very recent, so most likely he arrived via FTL

[subtle oracle]

Maybe? Remind me what clones are. are they organic or are they what UESC call shells/runners

[dreamy hawk]

Archivist kinda is that.

[craggy finch]

They’re a new thing it seems, shells are generally defined as altered humans by other characters

[digital plaza]

Archivist yeah, you need to do all of the contracts and collect all valuable items

[wary merlin]

either way what orion’s doing on tau ceti and the resources he has seem incongruent with what we know about the equanimity

[subtle oracle]

Cause I almost think the Equanimity is a year 2 event deal

[dreamy hawk]

I’m fairly certain they’re just that - clones. Probably like Star Wars.

[wary merlin]

is it not possible to transfer organic stuff via ftl

[digital plaza]

idk :p, pretty sure clones and shells are two different things tho

[dreamy hawk]

It is but there are limitations.

[subtle oracle]

outside the old arg do we even know more ab the equanimity? outside its arrival date is a yesr after our current in game time?

[dreamy hawk]

It seems that mass is the biggest limiting factor for FTL, and organics require more mass to send (support modules, food, etc.). This means they need to take more, shorter jumps, which in turn means they need more logistical support, which in turn…

[craggy finch]

Yeah it makes sense why all the Orion crew are robotics, all the goodies are prob still on the Equanimity

[digital plaza]

Yeah, Orion probably came via FTL and maybe helped equanimity get closer to TC, hence the real people on the planets surface

[subtle oracle]

this makes sense bc how else sre the factions trading us shit like semperleaves or w/e

[craggy finch]

Keep in mind they got like thousands of you doing that

[subtle oracle]

I more mean clearly theres mild FTL for organic matter bc we're able to trade that stuff

[craggy finch]

Ah

[digital plaza]

One guy today did give some info on it, but i still have no idea where it comes from

[craggy finch]

Aren’t biomata technically organic as well?

We can die from biohazards

[digital plaza]

Hamish's site is not helping or maybe im doing something wrong

[subtle oracle]

Gonna be a smartass and say thats probably what the bio in biomata means

[craggy finch]

It means big inorganic androids

[dreamy hawk]

Less mass, more better FTL. A leaf or a gun or even a whole shell is tiny compared to a ship. Note: I don’t think your shells get FTL’d in from Sol every time, just down via jump pad.

[subtle oracle]

but realistically I think our biological signature is a little more like the silk

and not like living and breathing

[digital plaza]

Can we tho?

[subtle oracle]

the plants

[craggy finch]

Trailer shows it’s corrosive though so maybe it’s all caustic

[dreamy hawk]

How do you mean?

[craggy finch]

Even the gas rooms

[digital plaza]

Oh yeah right

Forgot about gas rooms

[craggy finch]

Triage’s face literally melts off in the trailer so probably would mess up robots anyway

[subtle oracle]

Maybe organic FTL is limited to non living deals unless theyre small enough like worms. So leaves would be okay but a living plant would be difficult

[digital plaza]

He's got this arg section right, but he does not list lore stuff in it, only the process of the arg itself. I did not read super well in it, is lore info there or is it somewhere else?

[dreamy hawk]

Can you link me? Sorry.

I’m pretty sure I know but I want to double check and I’m being dumb and can’t find it.

[zealous laurel]

I mean assuming the worms are fully organic, which! I'm not sure whether or not that is the case!

[digital plaza]

Im pretty sure gas rooms are literal gas, since if bots go into them they do not seem to be affected

But maybe devs just didnt think about that gameplay wise

[dreamy hawk]

Oh I found it.

[craggy finch]

Cryo being a weekend event seems like a temporary thing going by the visual they gave of its location within the Marathon

As they add more maps there will definitely be more Marathon locations

[dreamy hawk]

There lore info is there but it’s not super detailed, necessarily. You’d have to look at the images and parse what they say yourself. Some of it is spelled out too, but its more a do-it-yourself imo.

[dreamy hawk]

I think it’s a queue thing as they said. Unless player counts increase or they see strong trends that suggest otherwise, I dunno.

[craggy finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/s/vBCWV2Te5D

[digital plaza]

I dont think it will be temporary, Ziegler gave pretty good answer on why its like that

[dreamy hawk]

I’d sooner see a map rotation than there being a buffet of marathon maps.

[craggy finch]

I’m wondering how the logistics of more Marathon maps would work

[dreamy hawk]

Seasonal or other interval.

[digital plaza]

They probably will rotate marathon maps on weekends, like destiny do with weekly raids

[digital plaza]

Would be pretty cool to have map set in the deimos or in that destroyed part of the ship

So that you can see the space and TCIV

[craggy finch]

The first Marathon maps were extremely abstract so you never quite got a sense of what the purpose of each location was

[digital plaza]

Yeah thats what i thought pretty much

[craggy finch]

In the new one they’ve got a lot of leeway to create specific purpose built systems within the ship

[scenic iron]

I was reading the story of the OG games, and yeah this is not those timelines at all. Everything was destroyed and Durandal is not on the ship anymore

[digital plaza]

We actually have map of all ships systems

But its a bit old and they might've change things

[craggy finch]

M1’s epilogue never happened since Durandal seemingly never contacted Earth

But the invasion of 2794 definitely did

[dreamy hawk]

G4 Sunbathing???

[craggy finch]

Yeah was about to recommend that and that’s the only one with a clear enough purpose lol

[dreamy hawk]

It’s more the final infinity timeline.

[wary merlin]

it also had lava pits lol

[craggy finch]

Some engine rooms maybe but those dont have any visually indication of how the engine room should look

[craggy finch]

I assume some kind of waste product or whatever

[scenic iron]

There were three AI's for the Marathon, and that means the others could still be there too?

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[craggy finch]

They were purpose built for the Marathon

The other eight colony AIs are either gone or just non functioning

[dreamy hawk]

Tycho is likely with the P’fhor and the other cyborgs. Leela I think is still running rampant but I’m not actually sure about her.

[craggy finch]

Since the Pfhor second invasion didn’t happen the way it previously did, it’s likely Leela wasn’t captured

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal is hinted to have been Traxus IV, so definitely “chosen purposefully” but not “purpose built.”

[craggy finch]

Yeah that was just awkward wording

[digital plaza]

FOUND IT
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/tom-hicks-macrofunctionsbungieship.jpg

[craggy finch]

One log implies that the simulacrum wearing green overalls and the staff of that department having to strip naked was something that still happened

There’s a logged complaint after a cryo guy who slept through the invasion pranked the BoBs by leaving green jumpsuits in the airlock

[scenic iron]

BoBs did return to Sol in the OG games but not in this timeline it seems

All of this so Durandal could steal a ship lol

[dreamy hawk]

“Moon Harvesting Operations” so they’re actively stripping Deimos either during transit after arrival or both.

[craggy finch]

God bless the BoBs

[dreamy hawk]

Well. Were.

[scenic iron]

You would think humans would have very good safety protols for their AI 😉

[craggy finch]

There were generations of BoBs who never knew Earth and never arrived at Tau Ceti

[digital plaza]

Id assume after arrival

[craggy finch]

The guy in charge of the AI was actively circumventing the protocols so that didn’t help

[dreamy hawk]

In transit repair as needed? They did have quite a few BoBs working.

[digital plaza]

But they probably had some stockpiles before transit

[digital plaza]

They did, there are a lot of reminders about AI safety and how to communicate with them correctly

[scenic iron]

I don't know if there are any Dune fans here but those books had some cool lore about the war of humans vs their AI

And why they outlawed all computers

[dreamy hawk]

AI can outthink humans at every step. If they wanna get loose there is ultimately little to stop them, Strauss’ meddling or not.

[vital cradle]

Is there a YouTube channel or something that specializes in explaining all the marathon lore?

[craggy finch]

Barring Durandal, the other Marathon AI were quite well adjusted until Tycho was destroyed then our back together as a nutcase

[shy violet]

Ok so there’s a outpost codex challenge I accidentally completed without knowing what it means what does “grace the livestock with your presence” mean

[dreamy hawk]

They used multiple AI to keep checks on one another, but that doesn’t seem to be wildly effective, either.

[craggy finch]

And the colony deactivated any AI that were degrading

[digital plaza]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[craggy finch]

From Darius at least, the contagion is dated around 2810s so he lasted quite a long while before the fungus got to him

[wary merlin]

there’s a cow in one of the freezers in dormitories(?) that gives you that achievement if you stand near it

[shy violet]

Oh crap sad I didn’t notice thanks

[echo sundial]

Does anybody have any idea what the "red messenger" that jasper talks about in his final log might be?

[craggy finch]

Probably a compiler

Red cloaks

[echo sundial]

apparently it is hunting him and he thinks it is some crazy thing that is highly unusual

not much more description than that

[digital plaza]

It even emits cool sounds :)

[scenic iron]

Its interesting that Earth didn't send anything to see what happened until they lost contact with the Marathon. Since the travel tech was far better after 300 years (during the travel time)...you would think they would send other ships to catch up or check on things etc. I mean the runners took 5+ years to get to the planet you would think the Earth would have not waited for the Marathon to complete it's mission....since they can travel faster than it could when it left Mars

[craggy finch]

Implied compiler encounters also left UESC personnel psychologically shaken after they heard it’s “music”

[echo sundial]

also it quote on quote "takes things apart or him or whatever"

[digital plaza]

Compiler

[echo sundial]

Okay so there was a compiler running around on dire marsh then

[craggy finch]

Orion was mentally blasted before his body was killed

[scenic iron]

I guess it makes for better story telling than being logical 😉

[echo sundial]

after everyone in the colony died

[shy violet]

Man now I wanna look for it