📚marathon-lore-discussion

[digital plaza]

It’s visual representation and nothing more

[alpine nebula]

hm

[eternal shell]

"ok, i will represent myself as a worm. they cant get weird about a worm."
[10 minutes later]
"god. damn."

[dreamy hawk]

I wonder how much is corporate PR and marketing optimization and how much is AI choice.

[digital plaza]

Only one that may be real is Charter, maybe it’s dope ass shell or something

[alpine nebula]

didnt consider the representatives just being disembodied voices

for some reason I thought that was them

visual representations even more so

[dreamy hawk]

In some cases it may/could be, like Charter as 😊 mentioned above.

[eternal shell]

orion probably qualifies too

[dreamy hawk]

And if Nona controls the worms, then that is a manifestation of her, too, in a way.

[digital plaza]

They super powerful light speed thinking AIs, they don’t have any body because that’s just impossible

[dreamy hawk]

God, could you imagine how pissed Durandal would be in even a Battleroid’s body?

[digital plaza]

Oh yea him too

[eternal shell]

if you mean entirely constrained inside a human-sized human-looking body then yeah agreed

but it's super believeable that an ai could use a human looking robot as an avatar

[digital plaza]

[fossil zodiac]

[cunning shuttle]

only body that wouldn't piss him off would be like, an entire titan class transformer. "ah it's like being in control of the entire marathon. but bigger. and with infinite energy. and i can turn into a robot mode and slap my enemies."

[eternal shell]

that or a jjarro pickup truck

"POWER. INFINITE POWER."

the jjarro left a lot of stuff around

[digital plaza]

I guess they could control something like that as Cerberus does, but the “avatars” we see is just visual image for humans

[eternal shell]

we might connect closer to the ais as runners than regular humans do

we're not bobs

[digital plaza]

By the way guys, if you want to see/hear some audio logs from the game please consider checking out this channel 😊

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo?si=rOAe4WBF2v2xwMxI

[sage lark]

I think AI can control bodies but idk about being in them

[eternal shell]

but we can run around equipped like they do (one magnum, nothing else)

[sage lark]

They require a lot of resources

[dreamy hawk]

They weren’t big environmentalists.

[cunning shuttle]

my ultimate theory is that durandal is gonna be the 7th faction

ain't no WAY bungie is gonna keep it at 6

[eternal shell]

i forgive them cause they left some dope shit around

[sage lark]

I just listened to the General Reed ones and man hes going through it in that last one

[eternal shell]

in at least one timeline their junk saved the universe

[sage lark]

Its clear they had to do things they wish they hadnt

Plus the Pfhor

No one explicitly wants to mention the attack

They are pretending it didnt happen

[digital plaza]

Some text logs are ridiculous about this

[sage lark]

The Pfhor killed and enslaved most of the colonists

[digital plaza]

It’s just pure REDACTED REDACTED

[sage lark]

The UESC is controlling the information

Yeah

[cunning shuttle]

yeah, i feel like whatever conflict happened on tau ceti was a very longterm thing.

there's one room in perimeter that has an overturned table with bullet holes in it, there was a proper armed conflict before any runners and UESC showed up

wasn't there also a log that mentioned someone hearing and seeing weird people in the sewers?

[sage lark]

Yes the Pfhor attack in 2794

Oh thats different

Idk whats with those people

Maybe the cult

[digital plaza]

Considering all the MIDA stuff across colony, it’s might be civil war…

[cunning shuttle]

my theory is that the sewer men aren't human, just something that looks humanoid from a distance

flickta jumpscare

[sage lark]

That too

[cunning shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/black-mesa-half-life-meme-gif-2321200409538753540

tau ceti

[sage lark]

MIDA uprising, Pfhor attack, Contagion then the Anomaly

Straight nightmare

Then they had to incinerate people infected because they couldnt treat it

Just absolute hell

[cunning shuttle]

and that contagion was 100% zombie stuff. old fungal zombies from marathon that got cut from the game then turned into the flood in halo

[sage lark]

Would be cool if thats it

[digital plaza]

Imagine spending like what 400 years building and flying the ship only to be this fucked up

[sage lark]

The perimiter log where the patrolman gets attacked is still sussy

[sage lark]

Yeah like jesus

And it was all for nothing

[cunning shuttle]

it was all so some bald medic could run around your house then get jumped by bald hodded man

[sage lark]

Only thing really is the lesson learned

[digital plaza]

Void is not bald

[sage lark]

But then again no one back in Sol will know

That the Pfhor attacked

Also some logs i think mention Durandal

With [REDACTED] ofc

[digital plaza]

Yea he’s redacted

[sage lark]

Are you done with all the rank 20 quests?

[digital plaza]

Just started final Nucal quests

Fucking hate this slow progressing faction man

[cunning shuttle]

i haven't even been able to get past the first quests of most factions, keep gettin jumped

[sage lark]

Yeah premade trios is the way to do it sadly

[digital plaza]

Standard contacts are ass too

[tame scarab]

any info what 3 fuses (buttons with light) spawning sometimes in Quarantine in Dire Marsh are for?

[sage lark]

Thank god its mostly like 3 levels to grind

[digital plaza]

Im doing it solo my man

[sage lark]

Yeah just saying trios seems to be the best for grinding

[digital plaza]

Weakest solo player

[sage lark]

Nah ur doing great imo

[digital plaza]

Well yeah game was design for them

[cunning shuttle]

haven't had any luck with trios, always get people doing completely different contracts, have no mics, or the one match where someone sexually harassed me the moment i joined :(

[sudden pollen]

Damn

[sage lark]

Hell

[tough cargo]

Tycho amaright?

[digital plaza]

Damn

[alpine nebula]

well I was thinking of it more as like an android or a robot would

[cunning shuttle]

and people always say "just LFG" but personally i feel like if your only way to progress the main story is to LFG, in a game with solo options, is a failure on the game's part in some way

[tough cargo]

I said tycho amaright?

[lunar cove]

I get most of my story stuff done solo and most of my looting done in teams

if I end up getting story progress while squadded, I consider that a bonus

[tough cargo]

Durandal type shi?

[digital plaza]

Game is at its best in solos in my opinion

Trios with randoms are trash

[fiery spade]

Been having relatively good luck with solo. Just gotta take things slow

[lunar cove]

just snagged the perimiter warden in rando trios, got his smg and backpack

[digital plaza]

IMAGINE THAT YOU CAN GET ALL THE LOOT FOR YOURSELF

PLAY SOLOS

GREED IS THE WAY

[tough cargo]

Durandal type shi

[cunning shuttle]

GIVE ME A PVE MODE AND LET ME SPREAD LOOT TO STRANGERS, I'M ON THAT %HERO GRINDSET GRRRAAAAAHHHHH

[digital plaza]

Whoah

[fiery spade]

Honked the Hauler's horn today :)

[digital plaza]

Shaqtimeout.gif

No pve mode alright

[cunning shuttle]

i am PVE mode's strongest warrior, win or lose the PVP is boring to me while the PVE is so so so much fucking fun

[digital plaza]

You will enjoy pve, then I will enjoy killing you in pvp and getting all the loot

[cunning shuttle]

but this is lore channel and that's a debate for other places, let's talk about important lore things like the following:

durandal was kind of transmasc with it

[fiery spade]

Durandal has transmasc swag yeah

[cunning shuttle]

i don't give a damn about loot I JUST WANNA FINISH MY CONTRACTS. i've let people kill me after i got them done multiple times lmao

[tough cargo]

Yo what?

[fiery spade]

Who among us has not wished to escape the bounds of our body to transcend?

[sage lark]

Idk PVP is where the tension is at

[tough cargo]

That shi got me dead

Durandal was very transmasc

[sage lark]

Without that you got a shooting gallery of bots

PVP adds to the horror

[digital plaza]

@sage lark did you got any purple collectibles on perimeter

[cunning shuttle]

his creator also kept refering to him with the feminine durandana and he rejected that

he also def had the hots for the cyborg. the WSTR was a love letter in ballistic form

[sage lark]

I cant remember what purple ones there are for perimeter

[digital plaza]

Uuh

I don’t either haha

[sage lark]

Lol

I would check but im in bed

[digital plaza]

Some personal log I think?

[digital plaza]

Same

[sage lark]

I got 2/4 for those

[digital plaza]

From where? Warden?

[sage lark]

No random

But maybe warden too

[digital plaza]

Bruh

I can’t find shit in perimeter

[sage lark]

Fckn caches and intercept have been bugged the last 5 runs

I have 2 coordinates and i dont get the marker

[digital plaza]

Unlucky

[terse wren]

No doubt re Durandal + cyborg

Greatest relationship in literature

[digital plaza]

Going to be able to buy purple keys soon, hope to have some for the perimeter

[sage lark]

🙏

[digital plaza]

Because i don’t see any chance on getting codex stuff otherwise there

[sage lark]

Yeah kinda sucks

Do you have the golds for dire marsh?

[fiery spade]

I've been thinking about how the factions are both deities in theming as well as in function since it is by their grace that the colonists on the Marathon lived. Shriven from any other protection or comfort. NuCal being a deity of harvest and medicine, Sekiguchi being a deity of life, Traxus being a deity of war, The UESC and Mida being deities of law and order and chaos and disorder respectively

Very tasty setting stuff

[sage lark]

Corrupt AI logs i think

[cunning shuttle]

it's something i've planned to 100% take and modify/repeat in my own sci-fi works, as is the way the %HERO would have wanted it (weirdass modified super soldier saves and works with an AI called caliber and they get extremely co-dependant with it)

[digital plaza]

Had one for AI Uplink yes

Yea

[sage lark]

Ah nice

[digital plaza]

I even stole some gold barter stuff from guy doing purple (gold?) key room in greenhouse

[sage lark]

Niceee

I need to get 2 more effigies

Got 3/5

Still yapping about the Wrk and Spht

[terse wren]

Ugh I want marathon to succeed so much I was SO skeptical when the teaser etc dropped and still not that hopeful re lore prior to release but my god

[digital plaza]

Alright good night yall

[terse wren]

They have people on the team who clearly LOVE the originals

[sage lark]

Cya

Yeah its super well written

Genuinely didnt think id like filling out the codex that much

But is genius

[terse wren]

But not slavishly. Like they get what the originals were getting at.

It’s really good sci fi man this game is way higher quality than I dared to hope.

[cunning shuttle]

god i just hope they do something to make this lore more accessible to folks like me who don't enjoy the PVP

[fiery spade]

I really love getting rewarded for a good run with more lore. Feels like a naturalistic way to expand the story since I really do feel like I'm digging through this place for info

The environmental lore is also interesting

[kind burrow]

Solo missions/raids would be cool like how warframe does would be cool

[fiery spade]

Love checking out the guy with the exploded head who's held in suspended animation in the anomaly

I don't know which corpo would like to hear about him, but I think SOMEBODY should know

I wonder if it's a case of "Why didn't you tell us about the time distortion in Dire Marsh?" "Nobody asked. You kept sending me out to grab agricultural data :/"

[thorny jetty]

I kinda wish there was a pve game mode or at least dungeon/story bits. Not that I dislike what we have now but something about the pvp nature of the game makes it hard to pay attention to the story for me. I default to skinning folks

[cunning shuttle]

yeah it's hard to soak in the atmosphere and think about the plot when i'm getting jumped. my ideal mode is like, base game but runners of different squads can't hurt each other

but i'd take fucking anything that meant i could explore these maps without dying to players mid contract man

[fiery spade]

Could lay low for a while till people clear themselves out

Late game is usually chill for me

[thorny jetty]

Too much adhd, gotta run and gun and then die to an assassin with a knife

[cunning shuttle]

i've tried laying low many times. never works out for me, someone always finds me and decides to shoot on sight

[thorny jetty]

In solos? I've done laying low mostly for mida and sekgen quests, if you want a chill experience a good way is assassin imo, you can just walk past turrets and other uesc stuff or generally bail out of any situation

[fiery spade]

The game's sort of an information war too so keeping your senses perked can steer you clear of a lot of trouble

Sometimes bad luck happens, but learning spawns, where people hang, etc. can ease up the challenge

[old ibex]

I have found bingus a few times

[old ibex]

My best loot runs have been me dead for at least 10 mins of the 25

As we hit week 2 I am realizing how critical it is to finish off everyone in squads because anyone could have a self revive

[fiery spade]

Legit question: Why does the UESC want to suck out our juices with their torso tentacles?

Has this been addressed in the logs?

[lost hearth]

I gotta tell you, ive been on Tau Ceti and ive never been sucked off.

I dont think so though, seems to be new. Hope we can get an answer from someone more qualified but i havent seen anything from playing the game.

[terse wren]

Homgry

[fiery spade]

Not to brag but everyone wants to suck me off on Tau Ceti

Mechanically it makes sense for the NPCs to come up and start to slowly down us faster if our team doesn't clear them out, or if we're solo and trying to warp out

But if their goal was only to kill us faster then the two-tap would be more efficient

So I assume there's some sort of data harvesting or the like going on

[eternal shell]

yep, it'll lead to hideous consequences down the line

source: my ass

[lost hearth]

Could be, speculation going on that Orion could lead the next faction and it could be UESC. Going to be exciting to see.

[tribal garden]

I always though it to be that they are repairing themselves

[bleak linden]

my thinking was that they're trying to imprison your mind since they can't exactly get your physical form

[fiery spade]

We keep on trucking even if they successfully do it, but imagine if they were copying our brain so SOMEBODY can be serving a sentence for the crimes

Imagine multiple copies of yourself in the torment nexus

[short ingot]

Any recommended videos explaining the lore?

[zenith nest]

https://imgur.com/a/q4raN9v
cool

[floral scroll]

very important question, did the UESC ever get around to using ipv6 or will ipv4 haunt us forever?

[visual lynx]

somebody ghost ping me?

[visual lynx]

IPv6 didn’t exist yet in 2794, just like dark energy didn’t either

[zenith nest]

how relevant will the old games be in terms of the continuation of the storyline? Will the 2026 game be almost rewriting the story in some way or is it a continuation? I know its different since it takes place on TC4 whereas the trilogy started on the ship

[woven jasper]

We don't really know. We've had some hints that probably Durandal is watching us, but it's too early to really tell.

[zenith nest]

hints through his voicelines in the game at this point? I haven't gotten to that part yet so idk where this game is pointing yet

[golden fog]

when you use a TAD you plug in to a IPV8

[visual lynx]

bungie have said that everything from the old games happened in the new game

[floral scroll]

even Infinity?

[visual lynx]

implicitly

[zenith nest]

okay thanks 🙂

[livid lion]

I didn't realize they made an explicit statement. Do you have a link to it?

[night rampart]

Maybe an attempt to corrupt our consciousness before its ejected upon death?

[tough cargo]

Tycho ami’right?

[frosty kayak]

I remember seeing this. I just think the question is the timeline from infinity people are unsure of

Think i saw it on instagram iirc

[sterile seal]

This is a new guy, Du Randal, Durandal-Thoth is busy elsewhere

[tardy kettle]

is there any discord server where you can find a group?

[lunar cove]

#lfc-any-zone

[ivory token]

if thats the case i wonder if people go get killed by bots will start seeing artifacts and effects from corruption like its a hidden stat

[old ibex]

Data harvesting seems logical, the entire basis of our reality is we are beaming down to a planet to fight UESC and other runners, learning what we know to adapt is what you would do

[visual lynx]

it was in a vidoc, I don't remember which one sorry

[keen plank]

The only things that makes this kind of connection less clear is if the non-Bungie Marathon games are included and the general weirdness of Infinite.

[livid lion]

if someone finds it I would appreciate a ping

[visual lynx]

…non-Bungie Marathon games?

[keen plank]

Don’t worry. It’s nothing too out there and fan-driven since Bungie basically gave fans carte blanche.

https://www.marathonrubicon.com/

[visual lynx]

that's not a "non-Bungie Marathon game", that's a Marathon scenario. I am the creator of another one: https://eternal.bungie.org/

These are definitely not canon and not included in the scope of Bungie's statement about the old games being canon to the new game.

[keen plank]

I like the idea of Tycho “cooling off” like how Durandal did.

Right now we know most of the AI planet side on Tau Ceti seemingly had horrible fates. But there’s lot of missing information. It’s interesting that colonists already knew about “ghost cat.”

[terse wren]

Holy shit

[tranquil basin]

They did say some things could have been lies

[sterile seal]

I wonder if they were taken off world too or if it was just the shipboard AIs

[spark relic]

Red herrings does make the world building feel more alive

cause not every chracters knows the truth

They just think they do

[inland crypt]

I cant wait for people to get pissed off at Phfor enforcers

[sage horizon]

Its really interesting that the UESC is studying the anomaly. Wonder what theyre doing with that shit

Also omg can we talk about how you can hear voices at the infamous poi?

[tranquil basin]

At the anomaly?

[tranquil basin]

One of the codex entries said they couldn’t really access them for export or purge

[sage horizon]

Yeah

[tranquil basin]

So they have to do stuff the “old fashioned way”

[iron thunder]

Question: This has been bugging me for a while, but who are we exactly? What I mean is are we a person hacking into a network to access a shell to do the run or are we something else entirely?

[night rampart]

we're a mercenary who has signed a contract with a corporation (CyberAcme) to transport our digitized consciousness as well as the tech necessary to print our shells to Tau Ceti, in exchange we pay them via salvage and information

CyberAcme, via their AI (ONI), handles all the logistics of infil/exfil

technically very illegal but the UESC cant stop us lol

[elfin meadow]

so is the data bank where our consciousness stored actually physically located in tau ceti? i was confused about that since it seems like ftl information transfer is pretty available

[night rampart]

yeah

theres a lore log somewhere that states it but we basically have a ship hanging out in orbit somewhere in the same side of the planet

its necessary since our conscioussness needs to be ejected upon death

also ftl comms exist but I think the etherstep stuff is fairly short range

[clear radish]

You would think the UESC would have some sort of ground-to-ship weapons as part of the security network
but I guess not

[night rampart]

well theyve just barely gotten a foothold in tau ceti anyway

im sure the influx of runners has them spread a little thin

and im sure cyberacme and the other corporations have gone through the best efforts to conceal their vessels

if the ship goes boom so does their runner investment

[elfin meadow]

do we know about the digitization process for runners? like did it just make a copy of the consciousness and the original mercenary still exists in sol or is it fatal to the original person like the exo process 🤔

[night rampart]

im going with fatal

I think theyve said in vidocs or whatever, the runner "sacrifices their human body"

aka theyre dead and the runner is a copy

[drifting mulch]

we don't know who we were before becoming a post-flesh consciousness only runner. only thing that's been told to us is that we have an insurmountable debt that we're paying off by using shells to exfil valuables. but is even that true 🤔

[tribal garden]

I'd say fatal to their body, but that the consciosness is moved rather than copied :>

Wishful thinking maybe for me xD

[elfin meadow]

the SOMA dilemma

[clear radish]

I wouldn't say we know nothing about out past
the person in the cinematic remembered her mother.

[clear radish]

thats like
the opposite of SOMA, isn't it?

because in SOMA
you are copied

[tranquil basin]

Our consciousness is aboard some data farm ship with cyac

[sterile seal]

I assume your memory is eroding over time

[old ibex]

We are you. Lorewise this is a matrix style wake up and shoot robots neo

[sterile seal]

Where AI brain get too big, our memories are shrinking

[tranquil basin]

It seems to be that the consciousness is transferred, not copied. I think the implication is that we are the actual person, even if we’re digital

[old ibex]

If you don't survive you wake up and try again

[tranquil basin]

Otherwise they’d just put ai in all the shells

[clear radish]

thats a fair point
do runners remember their previous runs?

[old ibex]

Yes

That's the plot

We are multiple runners but the same gamer

It's meta but I just need more cat lore tbh

[tranquil basin]

Yes but there does seem to be some memory loss in certain traumatic instances

Like the first mission

[old ibex]

Music seems to be a reoccurring theme

[night rampart]

well their reasoning for using runners has more to do with the legalities afaik

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but it’d be cheaper to do robots and possibly more effective

[vagrant plank]

I believe they know they had a previous mission but thats all

[night rampart]

its a big no no for them to use their own soldiers/forces to screw with the UESC

[tranquil basin]

They definitely retain info otherwise we couldn’t do our contracts well

[night rampart]

mercenaries give them some plausible deniability

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but the prices of shells are crazy

[sterile seal]

And full AI seem to require big server farms (ignore the part where Durandal goes into your head), the UESC bots are basically roombas

[vagrant plank]

I mean like sucess or failure, only if told.

[night rampart]

the price of what the UESC will do to them back in sol, where laws matter, might be worse

[zealous laurel]

Roombas with guns

[tranquil basin]

Yeah but I don’t think it’s very evident that they lose that much memory

[vagrant plank]

How about vague and indifferent memories of the past in general ?

[hot echo]

Does anyone know what "mips" stands for

[jovial notch]

Yall what is a mip?

[faint comet]

Anyone know why the moths have the wrong kind of mouth?

[hot echo]

It's actually driving me crazy because I don't think it says what it stands for in the game

[faint comet]

Seriously though, because moths don't have chewing mouth parts

[hasty rain]

I think they're not really moths. They're tiny robots that build shells, just like the worms

[blazing current]

Its the ammo for snipers and shotguns

[faint comet]

But the moths clearly gave organic matter in their mouth

[hasty rain]

I don't think they're fully organic, technology in this future seems to be a combination of organic and mechanical, just like shells, that decay and rot when they die but also have action figure hinges in their knees, for example

[faint comet]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up

[tranquil basin]

I mean of the distant past yeah but there’s nothing really indicative of huge memory loss between missions unless death occurs, and even then it’s unclear

[fathom egret]

Posted more work hazard stuff I found in the art channel, I’m so interested in it, it all is so mysterious

[tranquil basin]

I think it had something to do with being programmable rounds but the actual acronym I don’t think is anywhere

[hot echo]

It's named after it's inventor John Mips

I guess

[jovial notch]

New headcanon

This is Mida, this is truth

John MIPS is the reason you get iced from across the map, remember his name

[tranquil basin]

Checks out

Fuck that guy

Except for when I get kills with mips weapons then he’s chill

[drifting mulch]

i heard a cat meow, i dont see a cat

[tranquil basin]

I’ve heard of invisible cat

Also the cat item meows when u pick it up

Or you’re schizophrenic

[fathom egret]

Bingus Bongus

[bronze robin]

Railguns use mips too, I think? At least one does

[tranquil basin]

One of them does yeah

Zeus uses the volt

Fuckin

Whatever they’re called

[bronze robin]

Battery

[tranquil basin]

No

The other thing

[bronze robin]

Oh the other one

I've not had a gun that uses that yet

[tranquil basin]

Cell

Yeah I think it’s just the volt sniper, volt shotgun, and the Zeus that use them

[sterile seal]

love how MIPs are both shotgun slugs and 50 cals

[tranquil basin]

I got one in the beta, and I found one in a chest today but a rando took it

[tranquil basin]

I think they’re some kind of programmable matter

[tranquil basin]

Other than that I have 0

[nocturne juniper]

guys, the personality matrix, the real YOU YOU (ur conscious) and the old photo that were given to you at the start of every raid threw me off

very uncanny

im having a identity crisis deep diving in this rabbit hole

[drifting mulch]

^ i recently watched the cinematic and i had the same issue as the runner. i like playing vandal but after i lost to an assassin i tried that shell too. it was cool to see how the shells affected the way the runner responded, just like how the codex says that shells have their own personality

[tranquil basin]

Well this is partially bc of a retcon

The cinematic was before the runners were personality matrices

Originally they were actual individual ppl

Assassin was the one and only void

Glitch was the one and only vandal

But then there was backlash abt it being a hero shooter

[nocturne juniper]

how about our OWN personality, i know that the personality matrix was used for to pump some "familiarity" in to your brain, to make sure you know how to do this and that

[tranquil basin]

So they kinda backed off of that

[drifting mulch]

TIL

[tranquil basin]

What

[drifting mulch]

i am curious about that. i hope it gets fleshed out

[tranquil basin]

I mean I assume when you’re not in a shell, you retain your own personality

Or if you were to be in a shell that isn’t an archetype

Bc sekiguchi makes shells for regular consumers too

[nocturne juniper]

i think its to avoid for us to go rampant, keeping us stable, and useful for this corporate people

[nocturne juniper]

this is such a mindfuck

i believe we are not real to begin with

i just wanna know what happen to the REAL us

before became a runner

[nocturne juniper]

or "turned" into a runner

[vagrant plank]

Your 'Self" would need to be scrubbed after your 1st 'True' death so on mission in and as a Shell we will feel nothing and strive only to acvive missions

[stone hatch]

I like the direction they took it. all sorts of creepy philosophical issues around being a digital consciousness copy of a copy of a copy

[tranquil basin]

Yeah; though I think the game still implies that you are still you, not necessarily a copy

Even if you are digitized and losing part of your identity

[stone hatch]

Is there anywhere they go into the lore of runners more than the in-game codex?

[drifting mulch]

not yet, so there's still a lot of speculation floating around

[fathom egret]

I wonder if they’ll do seasons around a shell that tells more about the backstory of who they were before becoming a runner, or I wonder if they’ll go meta and be like “ohhh but you are the consciousness inside the runner all along”

[stone hatch]

i haven't looked too carefully at the ARG stuff yet. some stuff there I imagine

[nocturne juniper]

from career > feats of mastery > escape will make me... intel

gives an overview of runners and shell

"BENEFITS OF A PERSONALITY MATRIX: A SHELL's personality matrix runs
as an operational layer of "programmed humanity" functioning in
tandem with the living mind inside a SHELL's neural housing,
supporting the RUNNER's mental stability. Though the science remains
unproven, it is understood among RUNNERS that a personality matrix
helps combat mental fatigue and memory loss[1] in those pushing SHELL
usage beyond its designed limits.

RUNNERS AND SHELLS: AlL RUNNERS utilize SHELLS as temporary bodies to
house their living mind via neural transfer. SHELLS provide a
synthetically natural humanoid experience, allowing the RUNNER to
feel "at home" in any temporary body they choose."

"living mind"

i guess this personality matrices exist because corporate like sekiguchi wouldnt want bunch of unique, different, unpredictable data being fed to them

we are all different people after all

living different lives

different personality

my head is exploding

[timber trench]

How do we know we’re timegated?

[tranquil basin]

I think one of the skins in the shop had some more

[stone hatch]

It does seem to imply that the consciousness inhabiting a shell is not just a copy, as I originally assumed

(I am a touch disappointed by that, btw

[tranquil basin]

Well the shells are no longer individual ppl

They are you

You just inhabit the archetype they designed

For the time being

Though that seemed to be the plan before they retconned that

That they’d explore each shells backstory

[visual lynx]

I think the worms are genetically modified from actual silkworms or the like, and those would naturally develop into moths over their life cycles, so the moths are probably basically new-worm-making "robots" the same way that the worms are shell-making "robots". and the genetic modifications that allow the worms to make shells seem to affect their mouths from what we've seen (the mouthparts seem to do some kind of mechanical textile manipulation), and those edits probably just persist (unnecessarily) into the adult moth forms.

[crisp osprey]

bc null said so

[hasty rain]

Runners were always people uploaded into shells, it even came up in the original descriptions for the game. Also in the pre-release ARGs. That's what the cinematic is portraying. In-game, in the alpha, they seemed to revert to just heroes with set personalities.

Now, they came up with this middle ground because they already paid and recorded a lot of lines for the different shells.

But it's clear we're supposed to follow the original lore

[tranquil basin]

I mean yeah they were always shells but whether they were actual archetypes designed by whoever or if they were a representation of an actual individual is what changed

But the current lore is the personality matrix thing

[hasty rain]

Yeah, personality matrix is current lore but I think it's actually a compromise between lore and reality because lines were already recorded (they were in the alpha).

Originally, shells were just robot bodies you uploaded your personality into. First they were customizable, then set archetype shells, but still, your personality didn't vary inside them.

That's what allowed for the strange things we saw in the short, things like maybe the same personality uploaded into multiple shells at the same time

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I know

[shadow umbra]

they could do some crazy stuff with the implication of runners, we could load up on an arachne ship and run some 1v1s as rook like some chicken fights

[shy violet]

Just got the anomalous extraction event done and the codex entry relating to it is…. Horrifying

[fossil zodiac]

Game’s spooky. 😭

[fickle cedar]

Does anyone know the voice actor is in the cinematics?

And the greatest gift Mars could offer—its moon, DEIMOS

[hasty rain]

In the Marathon cinematics? Sounds like the RDR2 actor, Roger Clark

[fathom egret]

Do we know who the ai/voice is that does announcements on dire marsh? 3 minutes left running to exfil on passing by poi (unfortunately forgot name) ai/voice said “I was so alone. Until you arrived.”

[fickle cedar]

oh hes playing as General Davic Reed?

[hasty rain]

I think he is and he's also playing multiple characters, because I think the voice on that spooky YouTube short about the Anomaly was also him being a different character

[fickle cedar]

thank you!

[drifting mulch]

Nona references my own unique synthsilk pattern in a contract completion scene for Parasitism 3/5. so snythsilk is skin, but why is presumably each runner's unique?

[viscid fjord]

how do runners and uesc get onto tau ceti? Did another ship make an expedition to tau ceti?

if so does that mean humanity has FTL now since it didnt take 300 eyars?

[opaque elk]

What do we think a drinkable Cheeseburger tastes/looks like? Clearly very lore relevant.

[viscid fjord]

like old chocolate milk

[drifting mulch]

the colonists hate it when others bring drinkable cheeseburgers to company gatherings, and it also leads to weak bones if you intake it for over a month...so i'm thinking milky because phosphorus is in dairy milk

maybe like a cheeseburger milkshake

[visual lynx]

the details are unclear, but it seems like another ship was sent FTL, because the distress signal was received in 2888 and then runners arrived in 2893, five years later, twelve lightyears away.

but as recently as of 2797, FTL still did not exist, because an earlier expedition (the Equanimity) was sent after comms went dark in 2794, and was expected to arrive in 2894 -- getting surpassed by the later FTL voyages.

[viscid fjord]

do we know if the equanimity arrived ?

[visual lynx]

it's not named as having arrived yet, and it's not scheduled to arrive yet, as it's still 2893 in-game

[viscid fjord]

Very interesting, that’s a very cool potential story beat

It seems like a very pivotal plot point that we are missing info on how runners get to tau ceti and from where

I guess it’s not super relevant but I would like it fleshed out a touch

[tranquil basin]

They have ftl now

[tranquil basin]

I think aztecross was sent one

A little container, I think you fill it with water and whatever smoky bacon extract they sent

[tranquil basin]

There is an automated PSA voice that’s just called AI06 I think?

I don’t think it’s Gabriel or anyone

[visual lynx]

it seems evident that teleportation and FTL travel and comms use the same technology, because in the M1 manual the Pfhor ship arriving FTL is described as exhibiting the same "Tuncer Mirage Effect" that the SO recognized from jump pads, and the ship traveling through space is described as "jumping" or "folding".

no mention is made in the original game of humans having FTL communications, and when we help Leela send a message it's explicitly lightspeed. but the new game's first ARG implies that there were FTL comms, because they lose contact immediately upon the attack in 2794.

however, in M1 the primary comms array went offline immediately in the initial EMP attack that was the first thing the Pfhor did, which is why we had to activate the second comms array in G4 Sunbathing to send Leela's message. so the new FTL comms implication could easily be compatible if the implication is that the primary comms array contained the FTL link.

the picture that emerges to me is that the same degree of "folding" technology can send smaller things farther or bigger things less far with the same ease.

so by the Marathon's launch, they could send human-sized things around the ship, with dedicated receivers, but not even so far as the planet below (because people still use shuttles), or even a neighboring ship, especially not without a receiver -- until we get an upgrade for that in M1 that lets us reach the alien ship. but maybe the same tech could send single particles between stars in one jump, allowing for FTL comms, with a dedicated receiver.

meanwhile the Pfhor tech can send people in one jump from orbit to planet without receivers, and send a whole ship with the jump drive itself a significant jump of the distance between stars without any receiver, allowing for FTL travel. humans have now achieved those same milestones.

and the Jjaro could send whole planets between stars in one jump.

[subtle oracle]

nah hes playing reed. the mayday mayday is reed we just dont have that log yet

itd be confusing to have one VA across multiple roles

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Though technically assassin man plays rook but that’s different

[drifting mulch]

and the Jjaro could send whole planets between stars in one jump.
if these factions could FTL whole planets they'd steal so much

[stone pier]

So FTL is a thing in this universe ?
That’s sad I would have really preferred the more isolated, 300 years away from home plot. With the BoBs and stuff

[twin trout]

ftl is possible but not something humans have yet

[stone pier]

I have read above that the UESC bots and runners are send by FTL, am I wrong ?

[twin trout]

tbh, idk X3

presumably the matter transfer stuff is ftl

but ya we can't like send ships

I don't think

I coul be #wrong

[visual lynx]

we were just talking about that: #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[twin trout]

I seeee

[visual lynx]

that's a think that I think is interesting about the Marathon setting: its backstory is all rather hard scifi, a long slow generational colony ship, asteroid settlements, a kind of practical crapsack world, nowhere near as utopian and fantastical as something like Star Trek.

then aliens with FTL show up, and after defending against them we set off on a fun high-adventure galactic romp in that kind of setting.

and then reality breaks and time falls apart and dreams are real and there are maybe gods and souls and destiny.

it's one Outside Context Problem after another. it tells you you're in one genre and then throws something from a less-grounded genre at you to disrupt everything you thought you know.

it looks like the new game is likely to follow that arc. it's just a failed human exoplanet colony, and government-corporate-ideologue factionalist infighting about it… and then there are aliens… and then probably alien-zombies… and then maybe reality-breaking eldritch alien horrors held at bay by what's effectively magic crystals probably made by other godlike aliens who've probably transcended time…

[drifting mulch]

im excited for this new generation's Halo CE: meet the Flood event

[rugged igloo]

If they somehow recreated the s'pht'lek'tar in it's full, unfathomable horror I'd cry.

These artists have shown they can make something like the S'pht look harrowing, I don't wanna see what an actual HORROR will look like dawg-

Honestly, the real big thing that's got me kinda scared is whatever the fuck durandal's intentions are back on Tau-ceti cause like-
This isn't "I called it BOOMER" durandal, or "Durandal, durendal, Durendana-" durandal, this Durandal-thoth fusion baby durandal, the same one who outside of the end of marathon 2, was barely even like his old, rampant, snarky self. Not only that but the fact the S'pht are here too is just all kinds of suspisciousness wrapped up in a wr'rknkakntr burrito of horror. . .

[digital plaza]

Different voice actors
https://youtu.be/3M7BwOP_WAs

But Roger Clark did have minor appearance here as different character :D
https://youtu.be/33Q_cxEAOFE

[digital plaza]

FTL teleportation is possible, they do it in Sol, but human ships still don't have this technology (at least not in its advanced state)

UESC and runners minds are in orbit of TCIV physically

[drifting mulch]

after watching the cinematic short, i'm thinking...what if the shells' personalities are based on a few key colonists' personalities? that would remove the need for lore to be tied to runners (us, players) and can expand the background of lore onto the shells

[tranquil basin]

They do as of the current game but not before the 2800s

[tranquil basin]

They do

They have to

[tranquil basin]

Well the biomata were developed before they went to tau ceti, so they wouldn’t really have the colonists to base on unless they used records from centuries earlier

I think we have confirmation that destroyer is based on a number of military leaders, thief is the likeness of a sekiguchi exec

Vandal was a shell model popularized on mars

I assume they all have personality matrices constructed from many people to best help the runner efficiently operate them

[tranquil basin]

They have to have ftl bc the corps didn’t decide to go to tau ceti until 2888, it’s 2893. ONI’s mind is in tau ceti orbit or somewhere in the system because she’s able to communicate with you even when ftl comms are down. Also the UESC troops are not from the equanimity, which hasn’t arrived yet. Therefore, everyone needed to bring their stuff after 2888

[woeful yew]

anyone know where you can get a recap of the arg and a hub of most recent discoveries?

[digital plaza]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mtUtDPvbh6ahiynYFVS7Z4O79Nw6y5PEOjweCpzWV_A/preview?pli=1&pru=AAABnQHg1LA*HMze0iuBGnV2k6rtHNQQpw&tab=t.0&authuser=0

[tranquil basin]

You can also check the alright runners and karnemir discords

[sterile seal]

and one of the ViDocs gives us confirmation that Destroyer's wearing the latest generation of armor worn by the Mjolnir cyborgs, and the SEC marking on the armor's nape is a cute throwback to the Security Officer

[woeful yew]

yeah i'm in alright runners puzzle chat isnt the most coherent XD

[tranquil basin]

True

[tranquil basin]

Or it’s at least based on it. I don’t think the new mjolnir cyborg’s existence is known publicly

Bc they’re very illegal

[sterile seal]

who needs laws when you have heroic zombies that totally don't pulverize BoBs for laughs

[tranquil basin]

Fair enough

[sterile seal]

given Leela didn't recognize the Security Officer, perhaps the armor itself wasn't worn exclusively by the cyborgs

[fossil zodiac]

Dunno if it means anything, but I've seen a scribble more than once that says "lost and found" and a weird lanky figure drawn next to it.

[dusk shell]

Curious, do we know if the actual "runners" themselves are free to move, or are we like stuck consciousness somewhere only able to use shells? I'm new but the lore is intriguing

[sage lark]

Wdym free to move

[tranquil basin]

Well cyac owns us

[sage lark]

We are digital brains

Uploaded on a server somewhere in orbit

[tranquil basin]

We’d have to be in a shell to physically move

[dusk shell]

Yeah that's what I meant, are we humans or just like a "program" almost

[tranquil basin]

I’m unsure

Don’t think I’ve seen them

[tranquil basin]

Well we were humans but now we are essentially a program

[sage lark]

Depends on how you define a human i guess

But yes we are

[tranquil basin]

We’re still us, the consciousness

But digitized

[dusk shell]

Just your regular person, just like the people who were on Tau ceti before

[sage lark]

Then no

[dusk shell]

I see alright that's interesting

[tranquil basin]

There are also citizens in Sol who are in shells too

They buy them just to be in them

[sage lark]

I got a codex entry for the timeline of the evolution of the worm technology

Can post it later

[fossil zodiac]

Is Bingus just someone's pet put into a shell?

[tranquil basin]

According to what I’ve read in the codex, yes and no

The binguses we see on tau ceti (unless someone brought a new gen one from sol recently) are robots with programmed brains. They were made as artificial pets for the colonists

But they started to act really weird for a few reasons and it didn’t quite pan out

But the arg had a site from sekiguchi advertising a biomata for cats, where the cat consciousness is actually transferred

So they’re possible, probably only present in Sol though

You can also find them on that codex site if you don’t care about spoilers

The artificial pet codex thing I think it’s called

Or just search felini

[fossil zodiac]

I'm gonna seek out the codex lore myself, but yeah, I dunno why this made me happy lol.

[verbal harbor]

is there an official wiki for the game? or is there a ‘best’ community run one?

[tranquil basin]

Depends. There is the fandom wiki thing. There’s also the karnemir codex website with all the codex entries (so far)

Idk if they actually have all the ones available or if they’re still collecting

And there’s a Bungie marathon lore website run by hamish sinclair

[verbal harbor]

I see, thanks. Seems like it could be worth a community effort to setup a wiki away from fandom

[tranquil basin]

The hamish sinclair one has been around since the 90s I think

[digital plaza]

Official - no, but a lot of fan made: https://marathon.bungie.org/ , https://codex.cyberacme.systems/ , https://marathon.karnemir.com/

[visual lynx]

the SO was just on a shuttle up to the Marathon when disaster struck and grabbed some powered battle armor out of the closet. it's possible he was bringing said armor with him on his trip up, but it seems plausible to me that it was just there in the closet for anyone to use as needed.

[calm heron]

https://tauceti.gg/ is what I use

it also has interactive maps now

[spare bison]

Hey guys ! Gm

I was wondering if the WAVEworms "transform" into other thing like some kind of moth or that

[digital plaza]

Hm, yeah probably, but i think current ftl is not advanced enough, they still need to fly for like five - ten years to TCIV. I wonder if in the future seasons we would see equanimity arriving, that would be cool

[vestal igloo]

Did not enjoy the bitcrushed screams of the dying Marathon crew in 3B.7

We gettin a little Dead Space as a treat

[tranquil basin]

Maybe. We’d need more info on when exactly they left after 2888s decision to go to tau ceti

But it would be a max trip of 5y

[spare bison]

Also Nona (sakeguchi gen AI) is like the "mother" of the worms?

[plucky sierra]

We know the Equanimities travel time, presuming the irl accuracy of 12ly to Tau Ceti, the assumed departure of 2797 (ARG), and the sustained nls from the ship specs, it should arrive in 2893-2894, so presumably that’s where the UESC is operating out of

As far as we know ftl is only available for communication and data. Ftl speeds or warping has not scaled up enough to be useful to an entire ship

[analog crystal]

Only played ~10 or so hours so far, just early Perimeter/Dire Marsh - are the S'pht in the game at all right now, or are they something we're more likely to see in future updates?

[inner thistle]

they are not atm cept the one splash on the store page

[plucky sierra]

They’re in cryo archive, the unreleased map locked behind a puzzle

Hopefully they’ll slowly become roaming enemies on other maps

[analog crystal]

Ah, awesome! Thank you!
Yeah, that'd be awesome.

Unrelated, but I haven't played the OG games in a long time - and a sincere source of joy for me has been watching people's videos on lore and seeing them struggling as much to pronounce 'W'rkncacnter' as I did way back when.

[dreamy hawk]

Equanimity used FTL; it arrived in TC at about 2.4x the speed of light.

[drifting mulch]

what are the reward points in #1354446976242028658 for? since it's cryo archive related...

[digital plaza]

Its for your DAC level, you can get it in the #leaderboard

[plucky sierra]

It has a sustained (averaged) speed of 0.122c

[plucky sierra]

Definitely not 2.4x

[dreamy hawk]

🤔 well then I’ve crossed a wire.

[dreamy hawk]

So we’re certain it hasn’t arrived yet?

[plucky sierra]

It arrives 2893(now) or 2894

That window

So probably just what the UESC are operating out of

[digital plaza]

Makes more sense since we do know that UESC has regular people on the ground, if equanimity didnt arrived yet where are they even from then? I personally didnt read much about the arg, so dont know lot

[dreamy hawk]

But wait, when did it depart Sol? I thought we got the distress signal in 2886 and 2888 is when everyone left for TC?

Because if it arrives in 2893 or ‘94, that’s only 5 or 6 years of travel to cover 12 light years.

[plucky sierra]

In the arg UESC knew asap, by 2795 and started project Goliath which left around 2797. It leaked to the public later

[livid lion]

Loss of communication known to the UESC 2795, Equanimity (Project Goliath) launched 2797

Oop

[dreamy hawk]

Thank you! OK.

[dreamy hawk]

What regular peeps do we know of?

[analog crystal]

Turning Deimos into the Marathon was so extra when, like, 100 years later all these runners and corps and the UESC just turn up on their own.

My headcanon is that everyone in the new Marathon arrived in a converted Phobos and they all just had to kind of ignore the other groups on the ship

'Tau-Ceti IV is UESC property'.
'Oh... I work for NuCal...?'
'.... Oh?'

[digital plaza]

There's an officer girl from Orion's team, some dude that went insane because of the "song", one guy that by accident went into the anomaly and some "volunteers" that also went into the anomaly

[livid lion]

400

[past gull]

do we know what Sekiguchi does besides printing shells?

[livid lion]

No dice on finding the article I read on timing the launch of generation ships

[final island]

That one codex of the uesc forcing Orion to sacrifice people to the anomaly almost made me feel bad for the guy. I love how many reminders there are in the codex that the uesc are just as desperate for answers here as we are.

[grizzled timber]

What’s life on earth like? Is it dystopian cyberpunk or more optimistic?

[past gull]

the Earth got the distress signal from the Marathon like 400-500 years after it launched

the Kingfisher got to TV IV 1n 12 years, about 100 years after the distress signal was sent

[digital plaza]

Distopian as hell, but Mars got it even worse

Thats why Marathon was launched

[final island]

Not a whole lot, assuming with the factions its probably got a similar bad vibe to what they have going on. I honestly think we know more about mars than earth

I remember things about the uesc forcefully starving people on earth to save resources. So it isnt very good

[dreamy hawk]

There’s more lore about the Belt than Earth.

[digital plaza]

OVERVIEW: SEKIGUCHI GENETICS is a megacorporation dedicated to the imagination and creation of the future. As part of the larger Sekiguchi Group, SEKGEN is focused on cloneware, neural syncing, biological modifications like vision augmentation and epidermal reinforcement, and iteration on biocybernetic SHELLS.

[past gull]

well yeah, I mean sekiguchi as a whole, not sekiguchi genetics

[final island]

Sekiguchi is just the genetics company. Do you mean their AI Nona?

[past gull]

it’s not

[digital plaza]

Uuh i dont really know then

[dreamy hawk]

Sekiguchi has diversified holdings, I just don’t think we know what, beyond SekGen.

[final island]

Sekiguchis involvement in the Marathon ship specifically really just comes down to the cat

[final island]

I definitely wouldnt be surprised if they have big stuff going on in the background. I find it strange that ONI warns you that Nona is untrustworthy and will lie to you easily.

[past gull]

and then she immediately does

[vagrant plank]

I remember saying before I saw it in game, Did I just hear a cat ?

[past gull]

that was kind of funny

[dreamy hawk]

ONI may just not like her, like Tycho and Durandal. None of them are honest imo.

[past gull]

some are more honest than others though

ONI and Vulcan at least straight up tell you the corp owns your soul

[dreamy hawk]

But is that honesty or just another form of manipulation?

It’s like giving you a crumb so you ignore the cookie.

There has to be abetter example but I just woke up and haven’t had coffee.

[final island]

Yes! They're the original concepts for the shells. After the cat was a success they put them on the Marathon to help the BoBs with loneliness

You can find them around TCIV

[final island]

Oh yeah but I trust my green floating ominous head with my life.

Im a simple runner. If you give me improved heat cooldown I will trust you with my life. Death to sekiguchi

[digital plaza]

Its not "them", its one special unit (BINGUS), you can learn a little about him here
https://youtu.be/QcNVqAYJLZU

[final island]

Its one specific unit? Is the one in game the weird one that durandal was opening the doors for?

[digital plaza]

Yes

[final island]

Oh thats right, it does go invisible when you spot it. I forgot that's a bit of a unique habit for it.

I always kinda assumed that it was just a bunch of ones from the ship, because ive seen multiple in the same game.

[digital plaza]

I think regular ones just died off at some point and the only one remains is bingus

[burnt nebula]

Does anyone know how there are so many moons in the sky, and some of them are absolutely giant? wouldn't that make Tau Ceti IV completely inhospitable due to storms?

Or like... are they even moons? They can't be planets can they?

[final island]

There are 4 planets in close proximity in the Tau Ceti star system. The forth is the most livable of them all though.

[burnt nebula]

They seem way too close. The gravity of that would create insane storms.

[final island]

So iirc those are the other planets, and you can see the Marathon in orbit as well. Another likely answer is that Bungie just really love putting planets in their sky boxes

[spare bison]

Does the WAVEworms "transform" into moths or something? (Sorry for asking again lol)

[burnt nebula]

Like the big planets are so big they would just consume the smaller ones

Being that close together

[final island]

Im not familiar with how actual planets react in proximity, but I think Bungie just thought it looked really pretty.

the idea of planets reacting to other planets using Agario rules is quite comedic to my small brain

[spare bison]

Tbh same lol

[burnt nebula]

Gravity would make their orbits chaotic. Look at our solar system. When certain planets get too close to us we get mad wind storms and those are still so far away they just look like stars to the naked eye

[final island]

Just looked into it and actually the real Tau Ceti does have the 4 planets in close proximity like that.

[burnt nebula]

Kinda ruins my immersion lol

Too much Fi, not enough Sci

[final island]

Like it really is like that bungie didnt just do that

I cant sent the images but you can search it and see

[burnt nebula]

Thats cool but if they were going for realism you still wouldnt see them with the naked eye. If they really wanted to put a huge planet in the sky maybe we should be on a hospitable moon orbiting a giant planet and some other moons near us that we can see. What they've done makes no sense at all.

[final island]

Yeah I think its just a visual element they picked up on during Destiny. It does looks very pretty.

[median hemlock]

it would be a bad choice if having the other planets visible was in any way meaningful or important to the game

They're very clearly not going for realism lol

[burnt nebula]

It looks cool but it doesn't make sense

[lunar cove]

I'm willing to accept the unrealistic parts because they look cool

[median hemlock]

there's like 50 things that make "less sense", a little visual trick for cool vibes is not really that egregious or weird

[sinful thicket]

atmospheric distortion/lensing to a degree

[burnt nebula]

Like what?

[dreamy hawk]

Marathon is a space opera. There are dreaming gods that distort reality.

[median hemlock]

Matter transferring? Brain backups? Sentient AI?

[median hemlock]

thank you lol

[zealous laurel]

Nevermind a robot shell having to worry about getting POISONED

[dreamy hawk]

Dead people brought back to life as cyborgs that then travel trough multiple timelines to defeat an eldritch being.

[final island]

Durandal is actually incredibly realistic and is in fact real. We hang out every weekend just opening doors and having a good time

[median hemlock]

I don't think toxin is supposed to be poison so much as the toxins being acidic to your shell

[burnt nebula]

All can be explained as breakthroughs in technology in the distant future. Makes way more sense than a planet being hospitable when it's literally right on top of 3 more planets lol

[zealous laurel]

Ah well fair enough

[median hemlock]

If you really wanna die on this hill that's your prerogative but it's not really an interesting topic

[final island]

Big bungie doesnt want you to know theyve invented technology that makes the atmosphere transparent but won't release it until we reach tau ceti

[burnt nebula]

It's interesting to me 😭

[median hemlock]

sorry for the rude comment then, it's just kinda frustrating

"It doesn't make sense" isn't really something anyone can reply to meaningfully

it doesn't make sense because it's not supposed to be a realistic depiction of anything

[burnt nebula]

It's universe breaking stuff though

[median hemlock]

there are eldritch gods trapped inside of suns

there's way more universe breaking stuff than planet textures being scaled up

a few runs ago I picked up magic anomalous material and put it in a box and I got "temporal matter"

[final island]

Nothing is as universe breaking as when the W'rkncacter gets out

[median hemlock]

this game is not interested in hard sci-fi depictions of an empty universe

[burnt nebula]

No. Stop defending this its silly

[analog crystal]

I don't really care either way, but there's a big difference between stuff like the W'rkncacnter and tech, which are canon to the setting, and the fact that other planets should/could be visible from Tau-Ceti IV lol.

[median hemlock]

okay, great. good talk. thanks

:/

[burnt nebula]

How big is Tau Ceti 4 compared to the others?

[final island]

If bungie had to check for realism behind every small decision down to the skybox the game would still just be beginning development

[median hemlock]

next thing you'll tell me is that dune doesn't make sense because mono biome planets aren't a real thing

[final island]

Sometimes they just do stuff because it looks cool.

[zealous laurel]

Maybe so but what is the alternative? A completely vacant sky box that is uninteresting to look at and does nothing to communicate the fact that we are on a completely different planet?

[burnt nebula]

I mean its really not hard. You can either choose to have 4 planets in proximity because the story needs that... Or if that's not important and having giant objects in the skybox is more important then the game should take place on a moon.

Or you can be on a planet with a bunch of moons, but then they cant be too big. But they can still be cool looking.

[analog crystal]

It's 'rule of cool', and the other planets in Tau Ceti aren't really important to the setting lol.

[burnt nebula]

They literally dominate the skybox

[median hemlock]

this game is named after a colony ship so monstrously, inhumanly big that they built it inside of one of mars' moons

genuinely don't understand the realism argument whatsoever. internal consistency and logic can exist happily in the face of things that would not make sense irl

[final island]

Yeah but then its just a regular skybox which bungie has never really done. Even in halo they refused to have just an earth skybox on the ring and made it so you can see the ring wrapping around. In the original Marathon 2 the skybox shows all sorts of wacky stuff too. Bungie want you to feel like youre in a completely alien enviroment and this does that perfectly. It also gives a clear destination by having the Marathon ship always in view.

[burnt nebula]

It's called Sci-Fi. Generally its meant to be feasible. Fiction based on science.

[digital plaza]

Paradigm Shift | Audio Log 1 (final NuCal contracts)
https://youtu.be/J6nEbZ-_N5g

Paradigm Shift | Audio Log 2 (final NuCal contracts)
https://youtu.be/7oNQKzKTQqc

Paradigm Shift | Audio Log 3 (final NuCal contracts)
https://youtu.be/7N0CIoS1G74

[median hemlock]

It's called sci-fi, science fiction

fiction does not need to be realistic

[burnt nebula]

Yeah so if skybox was so important then why not have a bunch of moons...

So then it's not a completely unexplainable situation

[clear radish]

thats like
crazy
science is indistinguishable from magic in the right settings

[zealous laurel]

It's called MarathON not MarathOFF

[analog crystal]

This is such a weird point to get held up on, lmao.

[median hemlock]

yeah I don't get it at all

[burnt nebula]

No we're getting to the bottom of this

[final island]

Technically the Marathon ship is a moon🤓 ☝️

[median hemlock]

but this guy thinks saying "no. Stop talking." is a meaningful conversation point so

[sage lark]

Any cool stuff in there? No spoilers pls just if its hype or not

[burnt nebula]

It looks dope af up there tbh

[final island]

They're doing a very cool thing with it where there's always a planet placed behind it to form the marathon logo.

[digital plaza]

Not really

Personally i dont like Nucal story line at all

[sage lark]

Really? It gives some answers to the contagion

[burnt nebula]

OK so my next thing... If Tau Ceti 4 is the 4th planet. And one of the planets is giant. Wont there be crazy eclipses where TC4 gets no sunlight for like days at a time?

[final island]

Incredibly interesting stuff is hidden in the codex for their items, though. The burger crate guy...

[analog crystal]

Are the planets in the skybox actually planets anyway, or just moons?
I haven't paid enough attention.
Marathon 2 had a crazy big moon in some environmental art from a quick Google.

[final island]

Yes this happens with every planet that is far in a star system

[digital plaza]

Yea burger crate guy was fun

[sage lark]

Thats cuz M2 is in Lhowon

Not Tau Ceti

[burnt nebula]

Not in reality. Planets can never be close enough to eclipse eachother, they will knock eachother out of orbit and eventually collide

[analog crystal]

IK, I more just meant stylistically it was a thing in the past.

[final island]

They're planets, M2 is in a seperate star system

[final island]

The partial eclipse is still a thing

[burnt nebula]

Sure but for a planet with "sunlight" other planets would be so far away you'd never notice the eclipse with the naked eye. It would be like a grain of sand passing between you and the sky

[analog crystal]

Anyway, yeah. Marathon isn't some 'hard sci-fi'. It's not the Expanse.
It's always gonna prioritise rule of cool over worrying about relative positions of planetary bodies and such.
Same with basically every Bungie game, ever.

[final island]

Ill be honest im completely lost in this conversation.

[burnt nebula]

I love the game. Yall need to stop being so defensive. This is quality meme material.

Gotta get some nerd memes out of this

[clear radish]

doesn't this assume that all the planets orbit on a flat plane?
i dunno, i'm lost as well

[zealous laurel]

"This is quality meme material" right which is what we need in a lore discussion channel

[final island]

I just assume that the people at bungie would rather die than ever make a boring sky box. They simply are incapable of making a boring sky.

[zealous laurel]

"Stop being so defensive" says man who complains about orbital trajectories in a game with eldritch gods trapped in celestial bodies

[burnt nebula]

Its directly related to the lore

[final island]

The real life fact that tau ceti contains four possible planets in close proximity?

[burnt nebula]

If you were on any of those planets you would not see the others int he sky excpet with a telescope

[sullen urchin]

does anyone know where the shells come from? im making an advertisement for shells.

[median hemlock]

big homie is still on this?????

[final island]

I won't believe you unless you fly to tau ceti f and prove it

[timber prawn]

I love coming into a lore chat after reading all my codex to see what cool theories players are coming up with

And then being greeted by some losers arguing about a skybox

[final island]

Sekiguchi

[sullen urchin]

are all shells made by sekiguchi

[median hemlock]

sekiguchi is stated to be responsible for most shell technology but other corporations are catching up to them

[zealous laurel]

Yep yep, currently

[sullen urchin]

alright thanks

[final island]

Im not a loser im very cool🤓

[zealous laurel]

My mom says I'm cool so I'm not a loser ;~;

[timber prawn]

Alright I take it back but it is entirely unexpected

[zealous laurel]

And, for my money, extremely tedious

[burnt nebula]

ask AI. it says they would only be visible to the naked eye as if they were stars

[civic aurora]

So does anyone know if Marathon.Bungie.Org is updating with information on the new games like he is for the old ones? Or are we having to resort to using Fandoms Marathon page

[final island]

Im not asking ai anything sorry man

[burnt nebula]

yall are so boring lol

its funny. stop being so serious

[clear radish]

your the one arguing to make the skybox more boring
like hello??

[burnt nebula]

im not arguing that at all. im just poking fun at it

[timber prawn]

I can’t extract because everytime I look up at the skybox I burst into tears. When will bungie patch this?

[civic aurora]

funny enough, even during the slam to today, I havent even looked up at the skybox

[digital plaza]

Thank god cryo archive would not have any skybox

[burnt nebula]

its most noticeable on Outpost

[clear radish]

we have very different opinions on what 'arguing' and 'poking fun at' is I fear

[digital plaza]

🙏

[zealous laurel]

Poking fun while telling people to be quiet yeah soooo fun

[final island]

Getting joe ziegler on the phone rn to patch this

[civic aurora]

It will have a ceiling box though

[burnt nebula]

when did i say be quiet?

im here to chat

[solar grail]

Anyone got sekiguchi lore?

[clear radish]

here, i believe

[burnt nebula]

i said stop defending it

and it was a tongue in cheek comment

[digital plaza]

All of their audio logs can be found here

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRezRoUKr9WVOo3V_0tdIgKb&si=cjF1wuOYULmkeoZD

[burnt nebula]

i will poke more fun at the sky box at a later date i have another topic

[final island]

You're goated as hell for this god bless you 🙏

[burnt nebula]

why do the "Tau" in Warhmmer 40k have a Marathon symbol... who stole who's idea? That's too much of a co-incidence...

[final island]

Nobody stole anything, its just a neat reference.

[digital plaza]

But Marathon was first tho

[final island]

Yes

[burnt nebula]

how do they end up with almost the exact same logo tho. thats so strange

[sage lark]

No

[final island]

Is this ragebait or something 😭

[zealous laurel]

Oh?

[burnt nebula]

chill out man

[sage lark]

The entries state corpos can manufacture their own shells

[final island]

Im very chill ive been locked in the cryo archive for days

[clear radish]

I think its just a reference to an old game
i doubt they knew Marathon would come back into the modern spotlight

[burnt nebula]

people making me their enemy for thinking the sky box is funny lol

[sage lark]

Recon and Destroyer are ex UESC shells

[zealous laurel]

"Chill out man" says person actively stabbing our eyeballs with words

[final island]

Recon and destroyer are from the uesc yeah

[zealous laurel]

Ohhh! Right on

[sage lark]

Vandal is a modified stolen shell

[burnt nebula]

that's not nice. i am friend

[zealous laurel]

I knew Vandal was modified i just figured it was sekigucui still

[sage lark]

Thief is modeled after seki CEO

[zealous laurel]

Or that each of the contracted entities were working with Sekiguchi to produce the shells

[sage lark]

Triage is a traxus shell used in Mars mining operations

[final island]

Sekiguchi mainly just invented the tech and other companies adopted it. Seki is still the main big one though

[zealous laurel]

Gotcha

[burnt nebula]

is sekiguchi japanese?

[zealous laurel]

Actually related to the faction reps

Are all of them AI agents? If so, has there been any evidence of rampancy for them as yet, or were the only AI to go rampant actually at/related to the Marathon?

I figured _gantry was a real dude but I could be misinterpreting

[final island]

Yes but it really only matters in the meaning of the name

[sage lark]

Charter is an ex runner

[burnt nebula]

the on world AI was displaying strange behaviour too if you follow the NuCaloric questlines

[final island]

I dont think they all are

[sage lark]

Gantry maybe human or runner

[final island]

Gantry and charter give off non-ai vibes

[sage lark]

Orion is a runner

[zealous laurel]

Ah haven't got charter yet

[sage lark]

Nona feels the most rampant

[final island]

ONI also has some weird stuff going on

Her speech about not trusting Nona could be read as jealousy

[sage lark]

She warned you about MIDA and others too

I wouldnt read too into it

[burnt nebula]

what i've uncovered in game so far says that newer AI should not experience rampancy

its an obsolete problem

[final island]

So they say

[burnt nebula]

they manufactured it out of the newer models

but yeah so they say lol

has anyone here unlocked everything in game storywise yet? im getting close with the extracted stuff. but not so much the missions. been focusing on CyaC for the upgrades

[sage lark]

Yes finished traxus

[final island]

A ton of lore stuff especially when you get into Outpost stuff

Traxus has a cool storyline

[sage lark]

Gonna get rank 20 mida today and maybe nucal

[burnt nebula]

Yeah I've been grinding Outpost for loot so constantly bringing back things that unlock lore

[final island]

def rec getting the general reed logs. There's really cool stuff there about the colony and their mental health

[sage lark]

Yeah and anomaly revelations

[burnt nebula]

the missions seem like time sinks so i havent done any yet. i tried and failed to extract the first one a couple times

[sage lark]

The last one is so depressing

[final island]

I only have three of Reeds logs but they're very good

[twilit gyro]

New marathon lore learner here - is there an explanation for the colony persisting for like 50 years past the pfhor attack? I thought they came back later that year and killed everybody on the marathon and colony

[sage lark]

They are the main narrative

So not really time sinks

[final island]

it wasnt 50 years, it was just a few months

[burnt nebula]

for gameplay reasons i want upgrades. and none of the traxus ones are as important to me

[final island]

the Pfhor possibly came back or the anomaly killed them. It's the central mystery. The main focus of the Pfhor was the ship.

[digital plaza]

Not everything, but I’m pretty close. Got like two or three items remaining for each location, did every contract there is. You can check out audio logs of all of this here

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo?si=XwesYR6eVCH9USx_

[twilit gyro]

In the reveal cinematic, there’s a colonist spraying crops in 2812 and then even later there’s the guy becoming a meat piñata

[final island]

idk, they change dates around all the time its honestly really hard to tell. I remember them explicitly stating before that the colony only lasted for three months after the attack on the Marathon

[twilit gyro]

That’s the story we get in marathon durandal

[digital plaza]

Different timeline

[final island]

when in doubt, blame marathon infinity

[pliant elm]

Sorry that's just poor storywritting.

[digital plaza]

Huh

[burnt nebula]

tell that to 1990s Bungie

Marathon Infinite was different timelines for the whole game

[pliant elm]

If you're going to justify every difference in lore with "Different Timeline" then that's just fiction written by a 3 year old.

[burnt nebula]

Tell that to 1990s Bungie

Marathon Infinite was different timelines for the whole game

[night rampart]

Different timelines have been established in the Marathon universe for like 30 years

[final island]

the only differences in the lore so far have just been the dates really.

[digital plaza]

lol

[final island]

but there are currently 7 different timelines we are aware of.

[night rampart]

Wasnt the colony supposed to be blown up my the pfhor

It looks not very blown up

[pliant elm]

Tell, what, Marathon Infinity timeline didn't change. You went through different timelines but the timeline you exit on it's still valid for the events that happened in the past in your timeline.

Just because you exit in a different timeline doesn't mean the events in the timeline you entered on are less true.

[final island]

if you believe Blake, who iirc said they were mainly just wiped out from an attack.

[night rampart]

I also havent seen any evidence in numarathon that the pfhor made landfall at all

[burnt nebula]

Comic book characters have infintite different timelines too. It's not a big deal. You can take an IP and re-imagine it in a different timeline it's not a crime.

[final island]

I think it depends. Infinity kinda leaves everything up in the air

[pliant elm]

It's not a big deal - its just bad fictions.

It's bad/easy storywritting.

[final island]

the Pfhor have been completely missing from numarathon, its very interesting to me.

[twilit gyro]

They likely still did? If the colonists have little kid statues of compilers then they have seen them, and in old marathon the pfhor attacked the colony too initially

[night rampart]

Not completely :D

[burnt nebula]

What's bad about it?

[night rampart]

Read the xenobiopsy logs

[pliant elm]

You haven't read many books in life have you?

[final island]

which are those? I'll hunt them down

[burnt nebula]

I've read plenty.

[night rampart]

The pfhor definitely attacked the marathon, but no mention of an attack on the colony

[night rampart]

Thats the name of the valuable, Xenobiopsy. Its on outpost

[final island]

that's so strange. To be fair though, if I was being attacked suddenly, writing a log wouldnt be my main priority 🤓 ☝️

Marathon theory: What if Blake just lied to seem cooler

[burnt nebula]

The Peter Jackson LOTR movies changed a bunch of stuff compared to the books and they're still one of the best movie trilogies of all time.

[pliant elm]

So you oughta now the All Just a Dream concept in literature and why its a selection criteria when awarding literature awards.

[night rampart]

The compilers were definitely on tau ceti 4 or at least in proximity

[twilit gyro]

Though in this new timeline it’s implied that the attack happened, long enough ago for them to make dolls of their destroyers, and there’s somehow no records we’re finding of it

[night rampart]

colonists saw them in their dreams, even after the colony fell

[twilit gyro]

Ahh yeah

[final island]

but by the time of the Pfhor returning, the compilers weren't enslaved.

[burnt nebula]

Dont think the new game being on a seperate timeline is relevant. It's a story set in it's own timeline.

[twilit gyro]

Assuming this new timeline follows that

[night rampart]

The Anchorite Provisions logs show some dude losing his mind because he kept having nightmares (and maybe more?) about the Spht after the whole colony was abandoned

[pliant elm]

It's bad/lazy writting.

[digital plaza]

Nobody written logs while under attack, xenobiopsy is takes place after it

[bronze skiff]

Have you actually looked into the events of marathon infinity?

[placid brook]

Somewhat new to Marathon lore here, but have the Pfhor or S'pht been seen in the new extraction shooter?

[twilit gyro]

For the sake of game design keeping the compilers enslaved lets them use more enemy types

[pliant elm]

You go the timeline/dream concept when your writers are too bad or lazy to understand the whole universe you're trying to portrait to your audience so you have to find some justification for your incongruences.

[twilit gyro]

Just spht compilers, just in trailers and promotions materials

[night rampart]

Spht yes, almost certainly a boss enemy on Cryo Archive when it comes out

[burnt nebula]

It's not written at all. It's just set in a different timeline. Or its retconned. It's not relevant to the story they're telling wether or not this is a different timeline. It's a remake not a continuation.

[bronze skiff]

S'pht are seen in some trailers, presumably on the marathon

[digital plaza]

Not yet, but they do have a mention in the text and audio logs

[bronze skiff]

So no, you haven't

[final island]

tbf infinity goes into the dream stuff because it has a cool theming about rampancy and the cyborg gaining its own sort of free will and goals

[pliant elm]

Marathon Infinity events don't delete the other timelines, mainly the one you just jumped on from the past - so this argument is nonsense. You just enter in a different timeline - and that by itself its already bad writting because infinity was rushed so Greg had to come up with some quick story.

[worldly wedge]

Is Spiderverse bad because they enter different timelines?

[bronze skiff]

You called it lazy writing because it didn't do alternate timelines the way you thought?

[final island]

I think thematically NuMarathon plays off of that really well. The cyborgs and AI are becoming more human while the humans are becoming more artificial.

[twilit gyro]

Alright. Regardless of if it’s good or bad writing, it happened, it’s part of the trilogy that this game is based on, and it may or may not even be used. Can we stop calling each other names and move on

[burnt nebula]

There are infinite timelines. Marathon... INFINITY.

The game included a campaign editor so people could create their own timelines.

[pliant elm]

You don't even have a clue of what timeline you're in - that alone is already bad writting. When you cannot write a follow up story to a previous entry without going into the dream theater argument - you're a bad writter.

[twilit gyro]

Or maybe not

[burnt nebula]

The philsophy of infinity is explored in the game

[pliant elm]

It's bad literature for a comercial bland product.

[pliant elm]

The "philosophy" of infinity is just called bad writting in literature.

[bronze skiff]

Not worth engaging with

[silk whale]

I get the impression that knowledge about the Pfhor invasion is being suppressed for various reasons

[twilit gyro]

Why are you here then man go be toxic somewhere else

[digital plaza]

Wait holy shit I think I know what happens to the colonists, considering this and the last audio logs from Nucal final contracts

[placid brook]

That'll be cool to fight later, but I bet I will get utterly wiped

[bronze skiff]

*writing

[pliant elm]

No need to engage anything - the fact that you haven't read an actual book in life is more than obvious.

[night rampart]

Whats your favorite book

[final island]

I dont think theyre being that toxic tbf its just a conversation around writing and concepts in writing. A bit mean maybe but the dream stuff is pretty universally hated on.

[burnt nebula]

All that matters in this game, is the story that this game is telling. You dont need to care about the previous games. It's like reading 2 different Batman comics. Both comics might retain things like Bruce Wayne being a billionaire and his parents dying. But they will change things like Jokers origins story or the exact year everything took place etc. Nobody cares. It's a platform for storytelling. Marathon did that to itself with Marathon Infinity.

[bronze skiff]

Listen bro, you are just rage baiting while dodging intellectual conversation.

Name 20 books right now

[pliant elm]

Canticle for Leibowitz

[digital plaza]

TWIN IVE CHANGE MY MIND THERE IS ONE SUPER INTERESTING DETAIL

[twilit gyro]

Is there an Ishtar collective website for this game yet?

[worldly wedge]

You ok man? Youre engaging in media you don’t like even though no one is forcing you to engage with it

[twilit gyro]

Honestly I’m just gonna block em and move on, not worth clogging this chat with “eugh the story sucks”. We’re here because we like it, let’s move past it

[pliant elm]

Sure, but you can like it - and still be bad writting.

[digital plaza]

Spoiler for some audio logs and final Nucal quests: || people actually abandoned colony in the pinwheels and places themself in cryo sleep (potentially) ||

[night rampart]

Looks neat I'll need to pick it up

[burnt nebula]

It's immersive and makes me think. The lore isn't delivered through the game itself, its delivered piece meal and just makes you think about cool Sci-Fi stuff.

[placid brook]

I wonder if a new PvE enemy will be the same corpse cyborg soldiers that we play as in the classic Marathon games - that would be a pretty neat

[worldly wedge]

#🎨marathon-community-art-chat message

[twilit gyro]

Back on the marathon? Or are they in dormitories?

[burnt nebula]

Like even the story you are being told by the different factions, you dont know if they're telling you the truth anyway

[pliant elm]

Of course it's immersive and still interesting, its just badly put together. Marathon had one of the most richest universes. It's just that this new writter had to come up with something quick that fitted also the assets he was given in game.

[twilit gyro]

I’m not sure I’d be satisfied with anything other than a rook type player enemie with gold shields coming to kill me

[pliant elm]

This just happened because Bungie first came up with the game and then asked the writter if he could come up with a story for it based on their development, not the other way around.

[digital plaza]

|| on marathon yes, we’re gonna get map called cryo archive very soon, so it all makes sense ||

[bronze skiff]

Greg Kirkpatrick, one of the original writers made the timeline hopping stuff in 1996

[pliant elm]

Yes and even he himself has said on interviews that he had to come up with a quick story for it as he never thought the game would have a third installment. So he just made this quick already after some of the maps were already done.

[burnt nebula]

Some of the best pieces of art are born by accident. Who cares. It's immersive and I like it. And I dont say that about a lot of stuff. I always feel like theres no good new ideas but this game genuinely broke that trend in my eyes

[dreamy hawk]

I see our friend is back again.

[bronze skiff]

It was a philosophical exploration of becoming god, of ascending your shackles. Also I think you have to kind of go that far to kill a god (w'rk)

[dreamy hawk]

My money is on “yes” in a few seasons.

[sage lark]

YIPPEEEEE

[dreamy hawk]

I’m convinced there are cyborgs of some flavor on the Equanimity.

[pliant elm]

Yes, I also hope its a Cyborg and not the compiler.

[placid brook]

That would be cool - I hope the game lasts that long, it's really good

[burnt nebula]

All Sci-Fi needs a good hook. Like for Star Wars it's the Force and Lightsabers. For this game in my opinion it isn't Durandal or the Colony or the Marathon Ship. It's the post human runners being created by worms. Without this hook I dunno if I would have been as crazy about it.

[placid brook]

ARE there any actual regular Humans in the game?

[pliant elm]

You see some of the colonists in the Anomaly.

[twilit gyro]

I think there’s some that are frozen in bags

[digital plaza]

Gameplay wise no, lore wise yes

[twilit gyro]

And some dead ones

[burnt nebula]

There's an exploded one on Dire Marsh in the middle of the anomaly lol. Seemingly preserved for all this time. Dunno if its the same guy from the cinematic trailer or not...

[digital plaza]

It’s not

[placid brook]

Anomaly?

Sorry I have just gotten off a long job and haven't been able to put some serious time into the game until this weekend

[pliant elm]

It's a zone in the map and the unknown part of the lore.

[digital plaza]

There are just one guy turned into a purple goo and one girl turned into mushrooms

Cryo archive will have some in frozen bags

[pliant elm]

But to be honest I think the writter is probably going hard with the Lovecraft part of the story.

There's already eldritch hints.

[final island]

a big crackpot theory i've heard is that the w'rkncacter is in the planet itself and its the cause of the anomaly

[pliant elm]

Yeah its kinda obvious by now that they've put the Wrk in Tau Ceti or some influence, thats the bit disappointing part to me.

[final island]

I think thats there's a bigger plan for it than that. I feel its almost a bit of a let down to have it be that simple

[pliant elm]

Because this system was just to be part of the story by coincidence because it was the closes habitable planet, nothing else. The fact one of the strongest forces in the universe also happens to be in the same system of all the infinite universe...

[final island]

"the jjaro were at tau ceti" is the main thing supporting it though and we dont even know if thats actual canon

[pliant elm]

I never read anything that they were in Tau Ceti.

[final island]

for me, it just doesnt feel right to judge the story at such an early point where everything is just a theory still. We just have to see what answers lie in Cryo

[pliant elm]

Its a bit Deus Ex Machina that the only planet we had access to just so happens to be the same where one of the strongest forces in the universe is at.

(in this new lore)

[final island]

It's hidden in a map editor in the first game iirc

[pliant elm]

Yeah but thats developer stuff I suppose they havent actually put it in the story because it would have been too unbelieveble.

[final island]

Whatever is causing the anomoly is most likely related to the Jjaro. They covered an insanely vast area.

and Lh'owon couldnt be that far from tau ceti

[pliant elm]

We'll see what they cook up.

But so far, the fungal contamination is just lovecraft re-written.

Cryo should be opening soon, so tomorrow or so I believe.

[final island]

second half of march they said. They'll either do it on a Thursday like the other updates or over a weekend.

I have a grey v11 punch with 2 volt batteries so i think im cryo archive ready

[pliant elm]

I'm curious if you'll be able to sprint more from the Frost mechanic. (or be forced to sprint)

[final island]

Possibly, but I doubt you'd want to make much noise on the ship

[digital plaza]

New arg step tomorrow, not map release itself

[pliant elm]

Then likely ARG tomorrow, solve until Thrusday server maintenance.

[final island]

I feel like it'll be a lot of narrow hallways, and with the compilers having a massive beam, getting caught probably leads to death.

[quasi canopy]

Probably a dumb question- what do yall expect the cryo vibe to be since its raid like mechanics, but pvp?

[lunar cove]

11-17 assassins trying to sneak around each other and a single chad destroyer moving through them like an invasive species

[final island]

I expect a lot of guys camping around the final solution to it to kill the guys doing the puzzle and get the rewards

[civic aurora]

So do we know if M.B.O. will be updating with stuff for the new game or are they only doing the old games?

[placid brook]

Interesting how the cover art on Steam features a Pfhor Compiler yet I have not fought one in-game

Also are they supposed to be THAT big in the lore??

[clear radish]

i mean
they look kinda big in the games

[sage lark]

I think I heard someone say, maybe it was HiddenXperia that when he played the early version of cryo that it was a sort of linear experience

Hence the vaults

So you go deeper and deeper

Gonna be a funnel

[sage lark]

Its in Cryo

[sage lark]

M.B.O?

Oh there are already entries in there

From the server slam atleast

When you go by the dates

Idk if theres dedicated pages yet

[civic aurora]

Yea thats what I saw. I hate to give Fandom any traffic as is. Hope Hamish gives this game its own page soon.

[dense delta]

Where is the best place to learn the older games lore? I really want to get more info on it but seems a little overwhelming lol

[willow forum]

I started with MandaloreGaming's reviews of the Original trilogy, they're a really good "tip of the iceberg" overview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rMu1XYB98

[dense delta]

thanks ^^

[lunar cove]

Watch Mandy's Pathways into Darkness video too

[willow forum]

Oh, yeah Bungie's Pathways into Darkness is also connected

Mandalore did a video on that too

[lunar cove]

It's important for understanding how the Clinton Administration ties into the UESC's space colonization efforts

[civic aurora]

Mandalore has a playlist of bungie games and they all tie together. Look up Manalore Bungie Rabbithole. 6 videos and they aree all fantastic

[lunar cove]

Myth is less relevant directly but they're still interesting in thematically similar ways

[willow forum]

The Jjaro literally went "ayye lmao" to Billy C and told him to Nuke the Yucatan. And the mad lad actually did it

[dense delta]

Nice thank you all! <3 this is a fascinating game but the in game codex is a little clunky lol

[civic aurora]

@dense delta Its important to know this is not a joke

[dense delta]

interesting lol

[undone fox]

Bill Clinton is in Cryo frfr

[civic aurora]

Master Chief has Cortana. Clinton has Durandal

[willow forum]

Yeah none of this is exageration. The Jjaro sent a hologram to earth telling Bill Clinton that a Wrkncantr (eldritch god thing) was sleeping under a Pyramid in the Yukatan. So he sends an SF Team (that's you) to the pyramid to blow it up.

The Jjaro are to Marathon as the Forerunners are to Halo

[dense delta]

aahhh got it

[undone fox]

"I did not have S'pht Relations with that Compiler"

[willow forum]

Hang on, there's another playlist too. JaketheAlright is really good for both current Marathon Lore and older

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWFpScY5eWk

[civic aurora]

Jakes good for current stuff. I find his lore vids for older marathon games lacking. I feel like Mando was more in depth. Got alot more out of them than Jakes

[willow forum]

Also hello everyone! I got into Marathon when I was a kid, but I was more into Halo and all that. Really excited that this game is out and is actually good, I'm loving it and enjoying trying to keep up with the ARG's and new lore.

While still struggling to understand the OG lore lol

[final island]

I actually really like HiddenXperia videos on the lore as a recap

[dense delta]

Would you say the newer lore is stand alone or do you really need to know the older stuff? :o

[willow forum]

I like his energy, he's always so wholesomely excited

[civic aurora]

Recap is actually the perfect word for Jakes videos.

[willow forum]

You don't need to know the older stuff I think. But it'll make you appreciate the new lore. If you played the old games you'd know immediately that that mysterious AI voice from the trailers and the terminals is Durandal, but you don't need to know that to enjoy the game and the story they're presenting right now

We also don't know how it ties into the old lore yet, right?

You'd also know that the mysterious red thing with the green light is a S'pht Compiler, one of the enemies from the OG game. But you don't need to know that before hand, they'll introduce it in their own way in this game.

[civic aurora]

Youll get more out of it if you know it. But the new game can be played with no knowledge

[final island]

not entirely, theres a lot of things that arent connecting. It might even be a seperate infinity timeline that we didnt see.

[whole canopy]

the what

[dense delta]

nice okay ^^ going to take my time learning the older stuff then.

[final island]

I feel like you should know the old lore because it makes things feel way better thematically.

also because its really good

[civic aurora]

And to the average gamer who has no experience with the series, they wont be burdened with wondering if this is the prime timeline or one of the branches.