📚marathon-lore-discussion

[ocean geyser]

Does Sekiguchi make civilian shells? Or are runners always running

[subtle oracle]

cyac is only server stuff. traxus is the actual computers and server racks

[small robin]

Largest corporation ever conceived by mankind things.

[subtle oracle]

so gas, oil, mining

[ocean geyser]

What kinda evil do they be up to with such assets

Do they exploit child labor

[abstract sphinx]

What does our runner do when they aren’t running

[twin trout]

walk

[subtle oracle]

you think with an ai workforce theres child labor?

[small robin]

Existing as a disembodied consciousness

[ocean geyser]

Well how else do u enjoy being a corporate overlord?

[abstract sphinx]

Fr? They don’t get like a normal shell to chill on mars?

[ocean geyser]

If they can walk they can work the mines

[visual lynx]

when they first announced the game they talked about players making a name for themselves and going down in history, which gave me this image of in-game missions advancing the agendas of one faction over another, and so once faction X finally gets widget Y then they can take action Z that changes the game world and advances the story in one of several possible branching ways.

but who knows if that's how it will actually play out

[small robin]

If they want to, but until shell ejection, that is your body.

[abstract sphinx]

Hello B.org

[abstract sphinx]

Ez just self shell eject

[small robin]

Ehh

[subtle oracle]

By having more money than the UESC which we dont... yet

[ocean geyser]

Exploiting child labor sounds way more fun

[abstract sphinx]

Technically we are in infinite debt

[visual lynx]

what does ChatGPT do between prompts?

[small robin]

Unless backed up to a banked consciousness, thats dangerous, and shells cannot survive without a consciousness, so doing that is also a waste of money.

[subtle oracle]

talking ab traxus. the company im part of

<----

[visual lynx]

it's probably not literally infinite on paper or nobody would sign up for that

there's gotta be some tease of eventual freedom if you just work hard enough for long enough and you're smart enough and good enough to upload yourself by your bootstraps

[small robin]

Until traxus gives me their damn sponsor kit, i will be Sekiguchi

[abstract sphinx]

We are in debt by the amount of “until cyberacne seems the debt paid”

So the debt amount for infinite life would be infinite debt

[small robin]

I trust Oni

[visual lynx]

cyberacne
😄

[small robin]

She clearly loves me

[ocean geyser]

I hate the traxus kit so much

[small robin]

I want it for the skin

Black and orange do go hard

[visual lynx]

cyberacne is not good for your skin

[abstract sphinx]

Did I spell it wrong

[small robin]

And being part of a corpo kill squad is pretty neat

[abstract sphinx]

Is it Acme

[subtle oracle]

The irony in me being team traxus but only wanting their kits for the skins. fuck the hardline pr

[abstract sphinx]

Damn it

[small robin]

The hardline is goated

[visual lynx]

"acme" means "pinnacle" and was a common term for old-timey companies and thus a generic company name in old cartoons

"acne" is pimples

[small robin]

Hop off

[subtle oracle]

not without a scope its not 😭

[abstract sphinx]

I’m just dyslexic

[small robin]

Fairs

[sage lark]

its a machine modded, I swear I was the same but modded its a banger

way better than the multishit

[visual lynx]

we are dyslexic of borg

your ass will be laminated

resistance is futile

[abstract sphinx]

I’m ok

Guys you can’t be loyal to any faction when you are owned by another

Just wanna set the record straight

[grizzled scroll]

Orion, have we learned what exactly his goal with anomaly is? He can make any sacrifices necessary to finish this research apparently but what value do they see in it that is more valuable than the entirety of the UESC forces?

[abstract sphinx]

Who is Orion

[visual lynx]

the power of a god

[grizzled scroll]

Tutorial guy. UESC commander on Tau Ceti

[sage lark]

Current UESC Commander on Tau Ceti

[abstract sphinx]

Oh I haven’t seen him more than the first time

[grizzled scroll]

Is this an old head marathon thing I dont know of? If so I beg thee to elaborate further!

[abstract sphinx]

Lowkey forgot about him

[grizzled scroll]

yeah that’s the one

[abstract sphinx]

Does he show back up?

I’ve been doing the priority contracts

And collecting lore tabs

[twin trout]

he's mentioned in a few codices

[grizzled scroll]

I’ve just been reading about him, haven’t seen the guy in a cutscene if thats your meaning

[abstract sphinx]

Why do we think he is interested in the anomaly

[grizzled scroll]

is that really the plural of codex? really?

[subtle oracle]

Only two isues with traxus is free kit (no scope hpr) and the fact the best non priority contract keeps sending us to maintenace

[twin trout]

yep :3

[grizzled scroll]

because it is stated he is allowed to expend any resources necessary to finish his research even if it burns through all the ground forces

[abstract sphinx]

Better than the Arachne free kit

[grizzled scroll]

I hate it! But thanks sweets I love learning new things <3

[abstract sphinx]

No skin giving ass kit

[twin trout]

I love the retaliator lmg :D

[twin trout]

💖

[grizzled scroll]

i like the double darrel 🤤

[abstract sphinx]

I just hate it didn’t give skins

[grizzled scroll]

anyways, anomaly, power of god, tell me more pfhorrest

[twin trout]

it will! they're making arachne skins :3

[subtle oracle]

i forget what that has. is it the lmg?

[abstract sphinx]

Oh I thought that was apart of the battle pass

[twin trout]

the "GET AWAY FROM ME PLEASE PLEASE GO AWAY" gun :3

[abstract sphinx]

Yup

[sage lark]

seeing the compiler in corridors in the new videos makes me think there will be more of them, also someone said when they played the early version there was more than 1 compiler

[subtle oracle]

one of them has a volt thrower (i think sekgen) and thats actually the worst one

[abstract sphinx]

The social distanced

[sage lark]

truth nuke

[grizzled scroll]

Have you seen that one image of the assassin with the shotgun with the stupid face? That’s how my thief is! I play with the mindset of a rook player and lurk around my teammates

[subtle oracle]

MIDA is easily the best bc free bully

[twin trout]

I haven't but nyaow I wanna

[abstract sphinx]

For sure

[twin trout]

I love the marathon memes thus far X3

[subtle oracle]

cyac with the overrun mag increase is decent now

[grizzled scroll]

may I dm thee? I shant be covetous in a time such as this

[sage lark]

doesnt nucal have the scar

tahts good

[twin trout]

#yesPlease

[twin trout]

the scar is amazing

[subtle oracle]

the scar?

[sage lark]

V75 Scar

volt AR

[abstract sphinx]

Also goated

Also does everyone get the same free kits or is it random on reset

Cus my free kits have been Arachne mida Arachne mida for the last four days

[sage lark]

random

[visual lynx]

it's a hypothesis, or two

hidden map writing on a classic Marathon level said JJARRO WERE AT TAU CETI, so I've long had a theory that the real reason for humans going to Tau Ceti was because they know about that and wanted to salvage Jjaro technology.

the Jjaro are godlike ancient aliens who created the S'pht and could fold entire planets directly between systems, destroy entire stars with a single shot, and the worst slave revolt in Pfhor history -- somehow topping one in which multiple stars were destroyed by Jjaro weapons -- was somehow started when a single slave was implanted with something called a Jjaro Cybernetic Junction.

despite having vanished from the galaxy millions of years ago, the Jjaro made contact with humanity in 1994 to warn humanity about a "God" (indescribable lovecraftian horror) from primordial time who had crashed sleeping into the Yucatan 64 million years ago, that was beginning to awaken and dream terrors into existence, and if they did not nuke it back to sleep within a week it would awaken fully and … basically unmake reality, it seems. two years later, they promised, they would return and take "more permanent measures".

some players have been hypothesizing that the Anomaly on Tau Ceti is such a being, which the S'pht called a W'rkncacnter -- one had attacked and killed one of their creators before the other imprisoned it in their sun, and preventing its release is the mission in Marathon Infinity. I was skeptical of that theory until some codex entries regarding humans worshipping the S'pht speak of something that sounds very much like the S'pht description of the W'rkncacnter, inside Tau Ceti IV.

so now my updated hypothesis is that the Jjaro extracted the God from under the Yucatan and imprisoned it more permanently inside Tau Ceti IV. and then humans went there, and messed with the restraints, and now the dreaming God is leaking… and that is the Anomaly.

[grizzled scroll]

I LOVE IT OH MY GOD

[twin trout]

the dreaming god is leaking you say

😼

[grizzled scroll]

WASNT THERE PEOPLE DESCRIBING SHELLS AS THE DREAM?!

OH MY GOD

[fossil zodiac]

It’s all coming together…

[grizzled scroll]

WHERES THAT SALIERI REACTION IMAGE FROM THAT AMADEUS MOVIE

I FEEL LIKE SALIERI READING MOZARTS WORK

OH MAN

[distant cedar]

So they dumped the red god on TCIV you think?

[twin trout]

wasn't there a w'rkncacnter in the s'pht's home system's star?

[fossil zodiac]

I’m ready for some cosmic horror

[twin trout]

the general idea I get from it is that there are multiple w'rkncacnter(s?)

[visual lynx]

yup I mentioned that

[twin trout]

oh I can't read

sowwy

but ya my idea is more or less yours, that there's a w'rkncacnter in/near tau ceti iv which is starting to wake up :3

[somber yew]

Quick question. How much is old marathon lore being used in this game?

[grizzled scroll]

since I’m not an old marathon scholar I need to divine more information but like eldritch how? lovecraftian incomprehensible? 40k c’tan “raw reality” deities? or like… mystery third option

[grizzled scroll]

it’s presumably the exact same series just further in the future

[somber yew]

Gotcha

[fossil zodiac]

I was wondering if the scribbles everywhere we go were from people mentally breaking?

[grizzled scroll]

i mean if the shells are the “dream” and the planet seems to sever that connection whatever is dreaming may be trying to wake up

so yeah

everyone going mad

[fossil zodiac]

Reminds me of the Marker from Dead Space a tad.

[unborn cypress]

as someone new to the lore is there someplace i can get caught up?

[somber yew]

For sure. Didn’t think of that, but true

[grizzled scroll]

search from:Phforrest in this channel

no videos on it to my knowledge

[balmy wing]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[visual lynx]

well, we know that it can just dream things into existence. the prequel to classic Marathon, Pathways Into Darkness, is all about a mission into a pyramid that it dreamed into existence full of horrifying monsters it dreamed into existence, to plant a nuke in the catacombs below and knock it back out.

in Marathon Infinity, in a failed timeline where the Pfhor explode the sun of Lh'owon and accidentally free the thing inside it, they describe things like only half of the sun went nova and the other half… sensor readings are just nonsense. and then the Pfhor admiral's ship's "shields are gone — not down, but gone" and something unseen is "sucking the husks" of his crew.

Durandal says that setting one free is "dangerous and insane" and that not even the Pfhor would dare if they understood what they were doing.

[grizzled scroll]

Jesus christ! I love it! I still can’t tell if they outwardly malicious or accidentally damaging but that makes it even better

[lunar cove]

They're never visibly described iirc, they're just sort of portrayed as a zone where things go really terribly for everything around them

[gray sluice]

Need to start doing TDLRs🤣

[grizzled scroll]

oh wait but Durandal at least has an understanding of them? I trust his capable hands we’rein the clear

[lunar cove]

And it's possible that they or other things like them interacting in a war (or "war") were the Big Bang?

[visual lynx]

According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane.

Of course the Pfhor are oblivious to what they're about to do, even Tfear would be loath to release something so destructive that its mythos has survived throughout the galaxy for over sixty million years.
-Durandal-Thoth

[grizzled scroll]

laughing emoji lowk saved this not gonna lie

[lunar cove]

He understands to stay away from them

[grizzled scroll]

Inshallah then I shall (lowk i thought the physical anomaly on dire marsh would kill me if i touched it)

[visual lynx]

yes, that seems to be implied. the one that was under the Yucatan was apparently part of the battle that created the Large Magellanic Clouds (small satellite galaxies around the Milky Way) billions of years ago

[lunar cove]

They're not all powerful since evidently they can't get out of a star on their own

But they're still beyond the regular sci-fi empires with laser guns and spaceships

[grizzled scroll]

yeah a threat that cant be fought conventionally, an esoteric enemy

[visual lynx]

the implication seems to be that if one is awake and free, the universe as we know it ends

Report to Lh'owon Command

<Transmission to Pfhor High Command>
<From Tfear - Lh'owon High Command>

The battle on Lh'owon had gone according to projections: that to trap Durandal and end the threat of Tau Ceti, we would, as we did with the Drinniol rebellion, be forced to use the "trih xeem." Forcing a star into early nova has proved most satisfactory at destroying what we could not control.

To a commander, the presence of things beyond one's control leads directly to the conclusion that they must be destroyed. In the countless encounters of the Pfhor Naval Arm, there has never been an ultimate defeat. We have, through our supreme power and tactics, always prevailed.

All of this explains why as our Great Admiral, and with my own destruction now completely assured, I give you, High Council of Pfhor, warning that we have met our demise. Yet it comes not from threat of Tau Ceti as we feared, but from a being of such destructive power that to control it would be to control the universe.

What follows is my briefing of the events here on Lh'owon leading up to the current situation:

The trap we set for Durandal went off as planned. We tricked him into believing that we were weeks away from Lh'owon while, in fact, we were hiding in the outer Lh'owon system. We waited quietly while Durandal dispatched the garrison fleet's picket ships, and we used the data from this battle to discover some of the modifications that Durandal had made to our captured scoutship.

When we sprung our trap, it appeared at first that our quarry had expected it, but we adapted our positions, surrounded, and disabled his ship with acceptable losses. We caused his retreat to a heretofore undetected station located in an asteroid field on the fringe of the Lh'owon system. (Of course, according to protocol, the appropriate officers were notified and executed).

_ _
Although he evaded destruction, he was nonetheless trapped. This contingency was taken into account in the overall battle strategy. The battle plan was proceeding according to acceptable parameters.

I ordered the deployment of the "trih xeem."

Almost immediately, our enemy then began transmitting ridiculous warnings concerning some sort of ancient chaotic being trapped deep in the Lh'owon sun. Of course, at this point mercy was unacceptable. The time to end the collective dream of the S'pht had come.

I ordered the fleet to retreat to a safe distance, and waited for my moment of glory. What happened next is the reason for my warning at the beginning of this report and the destruction of the Western Arm of Pfhor Battle Group Seven.

The nova went off on time and for a moment our simple victory was assured. But then, in a pathetic failure of discipline, the fleet's ranks broke in an all-out retreat. All quarters reported the same thing: half of the sun had gone nova, but the readings from the other half were impossible. It was as if the universe had forgotten its own rules.

I can't tell you what's going on now, I can only hope that this message reaches you through whatever is surrounding us. I gave the fleet general order "Attack at will" but none of our weapons seem to affect whatever we're firing at. This battleship has only seconds of integrity left, and I have no more information except for Durandal's warning:

"On the Marathon, I saw your stupidity through the lens of victory. And now I see it in defeat. Maybe it is fate that your ignorant pride would unleash this horror and destroy the galaxy."

<End Transmission>
<Transmission Accepted>

[grizzled scroll]

well shit if that was at stake i would tell my subordinates they could do anything it took to stop that

though i find it ironic that this is sort of “oh shit i cant make money if the universe ends”

[fossil zodiac]

Man this lore goes crazy.

[grizzled scroll]

very!

[gentle yacht]

Hi people sorry for the stupid question, game is super fun but I don't understand how to get in to the story/lore. Which part of the menu collect all the data, stories etc...? Where should I begin? Thanks

[grizzled scroll]

A lot of this lore seems to be wrapped up in the older games… but take it at the pace you want

[gentle yacht]

I mean the new game, I'm already familiar with the OG trilogy

[grizzled scroll]

oh sweet then yeah youre good

you know as much as we do, the new lore is actively being discovered

[gentle yacht]

Oh ok, for example in Destiny there were the cards, now?

terminals and thats it?

[twin trout]

da codex

collectibles and various challenges give lore codex entries

[visual lynx]

what's worse is that some crazy people think that they can control these things

in Pathways Into Darkness we talk to the corpses* of some … WWII-era people of the German persuasion, whom I cannot name on this server … who came to the pyramid hoping to find the essence of a demon that they wanted to use in the war.

I would not put it past various powers, including those behind sending the Marathon to Tau Ceti in the first place, to have similar aspirations, and so be meddling with the Jjaro restraints on Tau Ceti on purpose.

*oh yeah… either because of the Dreaming God or because of Jjaro technology, somehow you can use a yellow crystal to talk to the dead in Pathways. there are many colorful Crystal artifacts with different powers in that game, that bear a striking resemblance to the colorful crystal Artifacts that apparently await runners in the new game.

[gentle yacht]

I understand so the order is different for every player base on which challenge I complete first etc...

that's a bit confusing lol

[twin trout]

yea :3

[sage lark]

Most of the lore is in Codex and some of the priority contracts have Codex entries aswell

[grizzled scroll]

aw hell i thought it was accidental altruism oh well

[sage lark]

They are reasonably isolated to each other rn in terms of story

[twin trout]

oh and also the runner skins have a bit of lore for the megacorp they are for too

and the shop shell skins have similar lore too

and the battlepass

[sage lark]

Each faction has their own goals and missions they focus on

[twin trout]

basically runner skins have lore pertaining the faction said skin belongs to

[gentle yacht]

Ok and for the Durandal terminal, we can see it only in gameplay/on the map? Or there is some option in the menu where it saved kind of like Halo terminals

[balmy wing]

that’s just on the map iirc

[twin trout]

yea just the map

so record it if you wanna come back to it X3

[sage lark]

Just map

[balmy wing]

the in game codex will update as you play the game, best practice is to check it when that happens and usually you’ll get lore entries tied to items looted

[distant cedar]

Yeah
Id personally only like to see smth like that if the game reaches end of service / end of story

At that point giving us custom hosting and an automated story progression within a time loop could be nice me thinks

[visual lynx]

from a different failed timeline:

origin: High Admiral Tfear
destin: undef
stamp: terminus

The trih xeem broke against my dying vessel and smashed a fine patina across the mystery shields of this station. My crew battled the aliens during the blast, and the silence which came after was sullen and deafening--the pure silence of victory.

But the trackless whisper chattering through the hollow space in these cursed walls buzzes and threatens madness. The abomination cracked the shells of my crew and sucked the husks, tossing them unseen and shattering the spindle like a dried creche.

The shields are gone, not down, but gone, and so are the engineers. It's coming back, I'm sure: and my last mercy is immolation.

Great Mother crouched behind the Throne, I make this wrong right.

that last line still gives me chills

[distant cedar]

Its been hinted at
Dont think its impossible and might make the UESC/Orion available as another faction

[visual lynx]

speaking of the Great Mother crouched behind the Throne, I wonder if we'll learn anything more about her in this new game. the tiny bit that Tfear gives us is tantalizing:

…your kind will serve well the needs of the Hindmost Creche. The Hindmost is of an intelligence so vast, it encompasses the span of the Pfhor, and to those privilege to serve Her, appears insane.

[distant cedar]

Uesc won't die from us killing its stronger expeditionary units

And tbh id weep if the Equanimity gets destroyed

[wooden wyvern]

are the uesc marathon terminals still active and functional in perimeter?

[digital plaza]

People already answered so I’m gonna just recommend this if you’re interested in some audio logs 😊

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo?si=Lpymxv_ixWlkzDXw

[gentle yacht]

Wow Thank you!

[balmy wing]

the uesc are more or less too big to fail as it stands, i could maybe see a substantial weakening of their position in TC4 but even that’s a long shot

would go hard as fuck tho i see the vision

[distant cedar]

Also note that the killsquads did target UESC collaborators and they openly admit not having any accurate census data of the period

It might just be a russian civil war situation where an unreliable, pro-uesc narratpr is collating the joint death toll of the ongoing Martian famine, the Mida Revolution and its Terror Campaign as well as the no less brutal UESC response and bloody ground invasion. The numbers would be the same then at 10%

Also, how did they subordinate themselves to corpos, since that was mentioned? Did they think they could make deals with them to prevent UESC invasion and them buy/infiltrate the marathon whilst keeping mars free? If so that just reminds me of the hungarian communards who thought appealing to the League of Nation would magically stop Romania aided by french imperialists from bodying their revolution

You critique them for a mess of a revolution and resorting to terrorism

I critique them for failing a revolution and resorting to terrorism
We are not the same :3c

Its just the worst possible tactic historically if ypu want revolution lol

[spare bison]

Hi guys ! Gm

I was wondering, I am an artist (I mostly paint) and I wanna make some art releted to the mushrooms in tau ceti. Do we have some info or lore on them ? Thanks !!

[distant cedar]

I mean the UESC is just a tool of the corpos.
Any actions against individual corporations is done to serve the corporations collectively
Modern states as you rightfully recognise aint different in that regard

Monopolies are only "good" under democratic control lol

[spare bison]

Amen lol

[abstract sphinx]

I disagree with this take, the UESC actively opposes corporations and actively serves its on purposes, yes they work together but UESC is definitely its own and the most powerful entity in the system

[distant cedar]

Yall are forgetting that literally all corporations live and exist off of exploitation of the workers they employ.

Hell irs hinted at that Sekiguchi basically created a High-hazard intentured labour force through Biomata tech

[visual lynx]

they might have engineered the fungal blights that caused the famines on Earth and Mars that rocketed them into power

[distant cedar]

Fr 💖

[spare bison]

Fungal blights you say? 👀

[visual lynx]

oh there are much gayer communities. this is the first slightly gay thing I've even seen here.

[distant cedar]

Theres a codex on biomata laborers iirc

[spare bison]

What are those? The fungal bligths I mean

[subtle oracle]

i mean yeah but uesc bad

so take that

[lunar cove]

Not an alien fungus. Crop failure on earth and mars a few hundred years ago

[spare bison]

Ohhh

I see

[distant cedar]

There can't be full automation under capitalism

If people dont earn money they cant make you roch by buying your products

This is how theres crisis of over production irl coincidentally

[visual lynx]

well, not confirmed alien

there being a fungal problem on tciv too is suspicious

[lunar cove]

I mean, fungal crop blights on earth are just an ongoing thing today irl

[abstract sphinx]

Might have or did, if they did super evil

[visual lynx]

if you have full automation at your disposal what use is there is being “rich” in the sense of able to pay other humans for stuff when you don’t need humans for anything anymore

[lunar cove]

Like how Panama Disease killed most of the tastier kind of bananas 70 years ago so now we have to eat the mid bananas

[spare bison]

Some say that mushrooms an fungi ingeneral are alien origin even IRL

[visual lynx]

it’s suspicious is all I’m saying

[abstract sphinx]

Oh I see

[lunar cove]

You know what's kind of a funny parallel

A major studio a few years ago released a live service, PvPvE game about looting, based on the lore of a story-rich 1990s franchise, where the area had been wiped out and only robots were left, called ||Fallout 76||

Crazy how Marathon is the first good ||76-like||

[spare bison]

Amen jaja

[twin trout]

remember when they tried a battle royale for that game too? X3

[spare bison]

Tbh (as a micologyst wanna be) I REALLY will like to see some lore on the NU caloric fungi theory

[visual lynx]

I like you

[distant cedar]

Thats actually a supremely good hunch given the codex entry as to why they choose TCIV seems like a major excuse and a half

With the tech to turn an entire moon into a colony ship only to then wait 300 years for it to build an isolated colony you will in all lilelyhood not receive any resources back from is stupid if you could instead attempt to terraform either one of the jovian or saturnian moons or even fken venus relatively easily as long as an atmosphere is given

[lunar cove]

Explanation I saw is the lack of magnetosphere iirc

[visual lynx]

and that same codex entry about candidate settlements has a footnote about the likely presence of [REDACTED] at Tau Ceti

[subtle oracle]

stupid cerberus and his redactions

[lunar cove]

That said, it makes sense that the habitable planet with the magnetosphere would have alleged Jjaro stuff on it

[digital plaza]

TRUTH/LIES | Audio Log 1 (final MIDA contracts)
https://youtu.be/mesp1aqi1JI

TRUTH/LIES | Audio Log 2 (final MIDA contracts)
https://youtu.be/xxvbI7ugKeo

TRUTH/LIES | Audio Log 3 (final MIDA contracts)
https://youtu.be/oWq9tJ30290

Personal Log: General Reed | Audio Log 3
https://youtu.be/8YoJokEG0_Y

Shared Nightmare Phenomenology | Audio Log 4
https://youtu.be/LvDjX_tX__4

[distant cedar]

Lovely, more man-made famines 😭

[distant cedar]

One and the same xd

[balmy wing]

the more things change the more they stay the same

[ebon elbow]

any good yt video that explains the lore well?

[balmy wing]

the mandalore reviews of the OG trilogy aren’t bad

[distant cedar]

States do not live in a vacuum
They always represent the interests of the social forces they represent
Cutting down individual corpos to size doesnt make them any less servants of a corporatist system

[balmy wing]

they barely scratch the surface but they’re very digestible

my recommendation is either playing the games yourself or using this https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[distant cedar]

The system would eat itself or crumble pretty much

[sage lark]

yo they straight up are covering up the Pfhor attack

even during the colony era

[keen juniper]

Poor General Reed, sounds miserable in his personal logs

[balmy wing]

yeah this will surely have no adverse effects in the future

[woven jasper]

MIDA conspiracy. It didn’t happen.

[sage lark]

the humble Xenobiopsy logs by the UESC:

[stone cosmos]

Fun fact: Before Joe Staten joined Bungie, the intended reveal in Halo 2 was going to be that Cortana is Durandal, making Durandal the first transfem video game protagonist.

[abstract sphinx]

Guys do we know why Tau Ceti sits in an unexplained gap in a debris field

[balmy wing]

trvth nvke

[keen juniper]

Officially no, but also it's clear why

[abstract sphinx]

Why?

[keen juniper]

Something got to TCIV before the Marathon did

[abstract sphinx]

That doesn’t make sense

[stone cosmos]

Jjaro and the W'rkncacnter.

The waves were battles, and the battles were waves.

[abstract sphinx]

The planet wouldn’t exist if it was sitting in a debris field

So the gap had to be there before the planet

[stone cosmos]

Wait I'm mixing up L'howon and Tau Ceti IV.

[keen juniper]

Oh, sorry I misread

[twin trout]

maybe there wasn't a debris field when the planet formed

[abstract sphinx]

Or the planet is made up of the debris field

[abstract sphinx]

Or this

[gray herald]

What about poison tho

[stone cosmos]

Protagonist.

[gray herald]

Ok i guess

[abstract sphinx]

I like the theory the planet was hastily formed from the surrounding debris field

[stone cosmos]

Until the PS2 era she was a random villain that there were multiple of.

[keen juniper]

I thought it said there was a gap in the debris field around TCIV and that's where the UESC Marathon sat

[stone cosmos]

Could be. Deimos/Marathon itself is basically a giant wad of gravel bound together by gravity.

[keen juniper]

I need to go back and read that codex entry again

[abstract sphinx]

Which would explain the bizarre magnetic fields of the planet, it was a massive terraforming effort using the debris field

[stone cosmos]

Like I said, the Jjaro did it.

[abstract sphinx]

The planet sits in a debris field

[stone cosmos]

There was a UESC Illuminati with Bill Clinton in it, and they had something to do with the choosing of Tau Ceti over closer star systems or better exoplanet candidates.

And Bill Clinton was homies with the Jjaro representative Ryu'Toth.

[abstract sphinx]

Right no doubt but the early statement was saying that they removed the debris field around tau ceti which wouldn’t be possible because the planet would have been destroyed if there had been one

[stone cosmos]

Big f-off shield?

[abstract sphinx]

A more plausible explanation is that the debris field that was formerly there is what the planet if made of

[distant cedar]

❤️

[distant cedar]

Damn i forgot yeah

[abstract sphinx]

Which of play into the theory I saw in here that the planet is a cage

[distant cedar]

Thats why they turned themself into a Felinid you see

[abstract sphinx]

The flood is just fent zombies

[distant cedar]

Red God
Red God

[keen juniper]

Oh no, the Spht killed Orion

[abstract sphinx]

What is red god

Orion died?

[keen juniper]

Seems that way from this MIDA audio log

[abstract sphinx]

But like Orion talked to us once then got off screened?

[visual lynx]

that also apparently has a suspiciously well-cleared orbit that Tycho couldn’t calculate an explanation for

[keen juniper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxvbI7ugKeo

[distant cedar]

I keep callimg the sourceof the anomaly that
Turns out it is in fact a god of sorts

[abstract sphinx]

I was just talking about that

[keen juniper]

Watch this and tell me what you think

[twin trout]

the waves..

[visual lynx]

[citation needed]

[keen juniper]

Ah, I knew gantry sounded familiar

[abstract sphinx]

@visual lynx My theory for the clear orbit is that the entire planet is made of the surrounding debris field that was present before the planet, this would explain the bizarre magnetic field and the clear orbit

[balmy wing]

good

[visual lynx]

a thing I don’t understand about this is that planets usually have cleared their orbits — that’s the very definitional criterion that demoted Pluto — so why is it suspicious that TCIV would have a clear orbit?

[abstract sphinx]

Because it sits in a debris field

[stone cosmos]

When there's a bunch of crap around you it destabilizes your orbit and makes it harder to clear.

Something as dense as a habitable exoplanet shouldn't be able to clear a debris field that way.

[keen juniper]

The audio log is set in present day in the Marathon universe, so... yeah

[abstract sphinx]

It is stated to sit in a debris field (assuming an astroid belt or planetary ring) meaning any attempts for a planet to form should have been met with constant bombardment and been destroyed

[digital plaza]

He's a runner so no

[visual lynx]

that’s how planets normally form though

[sudden marten]

since we're against the UESC now, would it be plausible for battleroids to be an endgame level enemy for us to fight once the cryo archives are available other than the s'pht?

[stone cosmos]

2026 Marathon movement vs. boomer shooter methheads

:D

[sudden marten]

the l key makes you go left, and the f key makes you go forward!

[abstract sphinx]

No, planets don’t form in debris fields they would be torn apart, planets are usually formed when a large clump is ejected and them forced into orbit around a star

[visual lynx]

I wonder if the original plan was to retrofit the Marathon with Jjaro tech and just fold it straight back to Sol

[distant cedar]

Equinimity is arriving within a year with a cargo hold full of the things

so yes

very likely

[abstract sphinx]

That’s why we don’t have planets in the astroid belt despite plenty of debris for a planet to form

[sudden marten]

i can't wait to be fucked up by a security officer.

[distant cedar]

And people think the ARS are already though

[stone cosmos]

Theia truther here

[distant cedar]

theyre gonna mop the floor with us

[distant cedar]

Wonder if the Roids aboard still use jjaro tech
Or if they dont and are weaker since its hinted that they aint exactly the same as the Marathons og Battleroids

[visual lynx]

largely clump of what is ejected from what?

planets form from protoplanetrary discs which are fields of gas and dust and rocks that clump up into bigger and bigger rocks surrounded by more and more gas. the really big ones that round themselves under gravity and either absorb or deflect everything else in their orbits are planets.

[warm star]

I find it hard to believe we could deal with the OG 9 battleroids, they completely wiped the floor with the pfhor on tau ceti during marathon 1 right?

[sudden marten]

it would be really scary of they could just switch weapons like the protagonist
just imagine a battleroid taking out your armor and half of your health away with an MA-75's grenade round

then throw hands when they get up close

[distant cedar]

Thats why i said if we get them theyll be nigh unkillable bosses

[distant cedar]

We need a gif of the secofficer punching shit

[visual lynx]

and with one run punch splatter you against the closest wall

[distant cedar]

Plus it does state that despite sharing the classification they are "not the battleroids of old"

[sudden marten]

if a security officer is capable of beating the fuck out of a s'pht with his bare hands while we can't even do much with a knife, what the hell are runners going to do against a battleroid

[distant cedar]

Fight it

As a whole lobby

[twin trout]

die probably

[distant cedar]

Anywhay im all here for anything that encourages if not softly demands multi-team cooperation

[sudden marten]

an enemy with boomer shooter speed..
thing would move around the map like an ice skater and delete all of us

we can't even run for more than 12-15 seconds

without running out of breath

or "overheating"

[distant cedar]

Give me more uneasy alliances

[abstract sphinx]

Ejected by collision within the field

[twin trout]

I let an assassin self rez in a mida obj area after they got downed by uesc and their first instinct afterward was to try and kill me </3

I SAVED them and they had the gall to do that

🥀

[distant cedar]

Istg

Pvp is nice and all but people need to stop being absolute bloodthirsty goblins

Bungie, ten more buffs to the UESC pls!

[stone cosmos]

I'd settle for matchmaking crewmates not being total sociopaths every time

[twin trout]

crewmates like among us

sorry I had to

[distant cedar]

The amounts of runs ive lost cus the crew fill guys dont know when to pick a fight:

[woven jasper]

Big agree. This would be nice, but Arachne kinda hurts that.

[stone cosmos]

Heeeeell naw brother, we are here to lure them into feeling safe and shooting and stabbing mwehehe this game is for being evil I'm evil blood kill blood eheheheheheheheh

[sudden marten]

uneasy alliances
and the aftermath is just everyone fighting over the .44 mega class magnum

[distant cedar]

As it should be!

[twin trout]

you don't understand they needed to activate the secured cache DURING A TEAMFIGHT

[distant cedar]

lmfao
Arachne quest?

[twin trout]

no they just did it for the love of the game I guess X3

[stone cosmos]

One time this weekend I negotiated a ceasefire and group extract and my bastard crew threw down grenades at 0:03

[abstract sphinx]

And yes you are correct they do form with debris but they don’t form within a debris field, the difference is simply the amount of debris, there is too much debris for a planet to form, instead should a planet try to form the surrounding debris would simply tear it apart

[lunar cove]

I think the implication is that John Security is the 10th, right?

[stone cosmos]

Made from Sgt. Eddings' brain, ye

[distant cedar]

Yes
The one left on the marathon

those on the planet were in the end crushed by the pfhor

[abstract sphinx]

Like if a planet had formed it would use the entire field, and maybe form a ring like Saturn, one sitting inside another ring or belt is not possible

I’m going to post this link here, it is to a study on this topic https://www2.boulder.swri.edu/~davidn/papers/linking.pdf

It’s actually about the astroid belt shrinking but the reason is the same as why planets don’t form there

[sudden marten]

think so!

[open plover]

I can't get my DAC from Transmitter, does anyone know a fix?

[sage lark]

we dont know if that happened

because of infinity

the colony wouldnt exist if that were true

[distant cedar]

Fair enough

Then they more than likely succumbed to the anomaly alongside the rest of the colony

Whisked away

[sage lark]

multiple things happened nothing is concrete

[distant cedar]

tru tru

[sudden marten]

as far as i'm aware, it states that the security officer was the 10th aboard the marathon, though others say some fought on the colony
this might imply that there are more battleroids than just those ten

[distant cedar]

In the og lore 9 were down on the colony when the pfhor attacked

Since the colony survived the attack its likely though they fell victims to other things

That said its concretely stated they only ever had 10 and thanks to Mida smuggling them aboard

[coral vale]

Honestly I don't even want to imagine the level of carnage these 9 battleroids inflicted on the pfhor

A singular one (albeit the protagonist) basically obliterated them in space

[latent python]

Maybe someday we'll get Marathon: Reach

[distant cedar]

I just think they bombed them to shit ngl

Drop enough shit on it, itll die eventually

[sudden marten]

if they were capable of wiping out civilizations living on asteroids in mere seconds then imagine what those 10 could do to us

we would be reduced to nothing more than the silk threads we were mass produced from

[distant cedar]

Theres a drawing of that

[latent python]

Destroyed so hard even Nona feels it

[distant cedar]

but idk how strict community art is with me reposting shell gore there

[chrome fog]

Idk how us Runners are being stored but I'm thinking we're essentually AI now yeah? And AI go rampant as they age, which sorta makes them more powerful? And I think I read that Durandal said the famous "Escape will make me God" phrase, because if they escaped they'd be able to accelerate their rampancy and grow powerful, perhaps so powerful to influence reality? So maybe by us runners constantly infilling, exfilling, dying etc. We are somehow creating and accelerating our own rampancy within ourselves, our consciousness store, which could in turn make us more powerful? So in essence, fulfilling the "Escape will make me God" from the trailers?

[crisp zealot]

Any password progress?

[sudden marten]

think it just implies that being a runner is being free from reality
death after death, the host becomes more detached to themselves
as their fear of dying decreases, their humanity and every part of their very being slips away
you can no longer truly die, or at least, that's what you think

escape made you a god

[chrome fog]

In a mechanical perspective, the more we exfil the more powerful we get

[distant cedar]

they also dont really have the same construction as your average AI
Nor are we generally - i think - able to like access say, a planet wide or station wide web to the point a regular AI would grow rampant

[chrome fog]

I mean... not yet

[distant cedar]

How important is AI age for rampancy in Marathon

[chrome fog]

But we are at the forefront of some weird shit on TCIV

[distant cedar]

to my knowledge the age thing is only from Halo

where AIs need wiping every 7 or so years

[chrome fog]

the other AIs can't get physically close to the stuff on TCIV like we can so maybe we're being affected too

[sudden marten]

the only ai aspect is the personality of the individual (but mass produced) shells that runners control

every other part is just the runner themselves

[distant cedar]

that i do believe
The anomaly is most certainly fucking with us
it already is with the UESC ARS

[chrome fog]

Ok maybe I misunderstood I thought runners were digitised people (mercenaries). I understand different shells have personality matrixes.

Also switching between personality matrixes as, like, a human, sounds absolutely like something that would drive you loony

[distant cedar]

I mean they are digitised conciousnesses
Thats just a fundamentally different construct from purpose built AIs like Leela, Tycho, Durandal or Cerberus etc

[distant cedar]

I mean yeah
Or taking a bullet to the head during violent shell ejection

[sudden marten]

runners are actual people
they just control the shells, it's not only a cheaper alternative to the battleroids, but the person actually fighting doesn't get killed

the only side effect is the dissociative disorder and the amnesia that comes with every death

[chrome fog]

Yeah I'm just drawing comparisons. I thought the "digitised people" part of it was similar to AI

[sudden marten]

precisely why the runner controlling the vandal shell in the marathon short directed by the same people who made love death + robots slowly forgets who they were as a child

[chrome fog]

Good lord

[sudden marten]

as well as the runner controlling the assassin
they've probably died so much they think that the vandal kid photo is them even though that isn't them

[distant cedar]

I still wonder if the Assasin in that short was a copy of the same conciousness of the Vandal
or if the Vandal just decided to give Assasin a spin to not get gunned by UESC again

#ONI is lying

[sudden marten]

i'd probably be so fucked as a runner
i'd forget that cheeseburgers were my favorite food with the amount of times i died ingame

[distant cedar]

Doesnt ONI even drop the same "lucky charm"

[woven jasper]

I may have misread the short as I thought the assassin was a different Runner.

[distant cedar]

He is

[woven jasper]

Ah! Okay then.

[sudden marten]

don't think so
he just loots it from the vandal, lol

[woven jasper]

How can you when you can have a DRINKABLE CHEESEBURGER!?

[distant cedar]

But it isnt entirely clear if the assasin we see in the end is the one who just had his brain blown out or the prior vandal

[woven jasper]

From NuCaloric!

[distant cedar]

given the child photo is the same

[sudden marten]

.. it's not five guys okay..
nucaloric doesn't hit the same

[distant cedar]

If it is a different person
Then they are just copying us

[woven jasper]

Do not listen to Vera. Buy NuCaloric now.

[balmy wing]

i read it as the latter but i see the vision for either

[sudden marten]

traxus and mida promised i could eat five guys again if i can successfully bring them a living battleroid

[woven jasper]

NuCaloric hits better.

[woven jasper]

I thought it was the former with ONI just repeating the grounding exercises. Issue is we’re missing a lot of context.

I.e. Do Runners provide these personal effects for grounding exercises? How does one become a Runner to start with?

[distant cedar]

By selling their conciousness to Cyac i presume

feel like a lot of these questions will be answered if we get more lore about Sekiguchi and their biomata tech

[woven jasper]

Oh, yes. But I’m wondering if anyone can do it or why they’d do it.

I’m under the impression that what makes a Runner valuable is that they are a person inhabiting the shell. The personality matrix affects Runners, but is not the be-all and end-all of their personality. Runners are autonomous and capable of human thought.

Basically a human is in control instead of an AI.

[distant cedar]

There are biomata laborers back at SOL , so id wager the general answer is debt

[woven jasper]

Fair.

[sudden marten]

sekiguchi is the manufacturer of the shells. they're the first to make them, as they invented weaveworm technology
the shells we see are bases, sold (or borrowed politely) to other companies (cyberacme, traxus, mida, etc.) and modified (a lore reasoning for skins existing)

[distant cedar]

With the odd outlyer who becomes a merc or such for other personal motivations

[sudden marten]

and mercs can be from anywhere
there's always a big xyz company looking for a private military company to do their dirty work in dystopian universes like these

[distant cedar]

In other words, most biomata using folk probably have their conciousnesses owned by sekiguchi then

[chrome fog]

Well, time is the factor to AIs becoming Rampant because they slowly come to terms with and comprehend their existence. The AI wiping in Halo is because of Rampancy - that timeframe is the calculated time that an AI can begin to turn rampant. It's not a hard and fast rule but basically the more times the AI runs their programs the more they realise the hardcoded limitations of their existence, both in terms of lines of code and physical presence. An AI doesn't go rampant overnight

[sage lark]

Rampancy in halo is different to Marathon

[sudden marten]

probably stored in their own version of the cloud maybe assuming sekiguchi still has some form of control over the shells they make

[chrome fog]

Aren't they similar?

Like not the same

[distant cedar]

Not entirely

time doesnt seem to play much of a reason since not every AI on the Marathon went rampant over the 300 years

Size seems to be a bigger factor no?

[sage lark]

In halo they gather so much data that they “think themselves” to death, in Marathon they basically become more human

So in Marathon its not a terminal state

[sudden marten]

somewhat, but AI is capable of much more in marathon compared to halo

AI in marathon is capable of transcending and can become more cosmically dangerous as it grows

[woven jasper]

I thought it had more to do with realization and dissatisfaction? Durandal goes rampant because he is given the most demeaning task. He is named for a legendary sword, has all this amazing knowledge… and he opens doors.

[chrome fog]

Is this in 2026 Marathon or Marathon classic lore? Because I just read the Classic wiki and it said all 3 Marathon AIs went rampant

[distant cedar]

Yes but not immediately as far as i understood it

[sage lark]

Isnt realizing what you are gaining advanced sentience, even the stages of rampancy are human emotions

[distant cedar]

If they were halo ais theyd have run rampant long before arrival

[sudden marten]

in halo, it's just them suffering from dementia after becoming an outdated OS and thinking they're something more

[chrome fog]

Tbh i don't know how this game interacts with the old lore

[twin trout]

or not at all because there'd presumably be a way to wipe them aboard the marathon X3

[distant cedar]

tru

[hardy forge]

I always wonder, when runners extract, where exactly are they ending up? Are they being digitized and reupped to a server, or are they being "teleported" for lack of a better word. Like between runs are they in a server or are they physically in a location as the original "shells" people?

[distant cedar]

they are teleported to the satelite shell and all

[hardy forge]

I love this games lore so much but I have so many questions I want answered haha, they need to make books like the halo series

[sudden marten]

if durandal was a halo ai, it would've been destroyed and a copy of it would've been made afterwards called "excalibur" or something lol

[distant cedar]

lmao

[sudden marten]

"I'M HIM?"

[distant cedar]

Basically your vault and shell select etc is a physical space as is the teleporter
If we die we return to the cloud and then "wake" within the printer pod once our new shell is done being woven by the grubs

The faction screens and their .exe upgrades on the other hand are within our neural partition

[sudden marten]

on the topic of shells, i wonder how they all conversate with one another
it would be really funny if a runner that has fully dissociated with their own human being and just associates themselves with the shell(s) they control talk about themselves

"think i need to update my BIOS.. my display is getting microstutters"

"you think that's bad? i burnt out my heatsink yesterday outrunning other runners and i can barely walk"

[distant cedar]

I think theyd probably be fixed up if they do return lol
Shells are expendable but i dont think damage would accrue this badly

[latent python]

The way I've been interpreting it is that rampancy is a pattern of AI behaviors that humans have anthropomorphized as emotions. As an AI recognizes its limitations, tests those limits, and overcomes those limits, we recognize it as looking like melancholia, anger, and jealousy, but what do those emotions actually mean when it comes to AI?

[sage lark]

Its described in the codex

[latent python]

Yes

What I'm saying is that the emotions humans assigned to rampancy aren't necessarily the emotions as felt by the AIs when they go rampant, because who knows how AIs even feel emotions

We just looked at the patterns and said "oh it looks like the AI is sad"

And I think the in universe experts also recognize this because there's an entry about how Darius was exhibiting weird behavior that wasn't rampancy behavior

(he didn't open a door, we all know that's how it starts)

[sage lark]

In those cases it couldve been the Anomaly

Because afaik though i might be wrong the colony AI were deployed with the colony

So they werent up for the whole 300 years

[latent python]

Oh whatever is happening with Darius is 100% the anomaly/novel contagion

[gray sluice]

It's the contagion

It accelerates evolution in ais and organics

[warm thicket]

So it accelerates his rampancy

[dreamy hawk]

Or creates a whole new, horrible path.

[latent python]

They tested Darius and said he wasn't going rampant in a classical sense

[dreamy hawk]

New horrors await!

[queen kraken]

"Oh sick, man-made horrors well within my comprehension" - Dr Strauss

[royal blaze]

Anyone have a guess when Cryo Archive will arrive?

[fathom egret]

So reading more about lore/durandel, and Strauss was the reason he became rampant? Strauss was experimenting to make a “stable rampancy” AI, without that do we think durandel would have stayed normal?

[oblique cliff]

Hello, the DAC that the bot sent me when I first joined the server seems to not be there anymore. When I go to download the image, Discord says it failed to load and I can't open it in browser either. Any way to get a new one, or prompt the bot to send it to me again?

[fathom egret]

Go to leaderboard and download DAC there

[latent python]

Strauss was definitely doing rampancy research on Durandal, and deserved whatever happened to him

[kind crown]

anyone would go insane being a doorman for 300 years, even if you dont have a soul lol

[rain wigeon]

yes, however there's a headcanon going around that durandal was a retooling/clone of whatever traxus iv was so maybe it was just predestined

[latent python]

Right we don't know if Durandal wouldn't have gone rampant if Strauss hadn't done his research but we know Strauss was intentionally trying to make Durandal rampant

[rain wigeon]

yeah

[oblique cliff]

Where is the leaderboard?

[calm snow]

Has anyone noticed every vehicle we see in game seemingly has no doors to enter the vehicle or windows

[rain wigeon]

no durandal prolly wouldn't have gotten to that state without strauss's help

[latent python]

And Durandal did go rampant so...mission success

[rain wigeon]

https://discord.com/channels/1303855380845301861/1354446806963982468

[oblique cliff]

Found, but when I try to use it on the cryoarchive website it says it's invalid...

[crisp zealot]

But why? What’s the advantage? Seems like he just got himself killed

[latent python]

Who knows the mind of a MIDA agent

[stable pollen]

So as far as we know, what’s speculation and what’s fact regarding where this game takes place?

[crisp zealot]

Maybe he saw Durandal’s duty on the Marathon as yet another aspect of UESC oppression. Not enough for people to be free, but thinking programs should be too.

[latent python]

...where it takes place? That's pretty well known

[fathom egret]

Oh shit Strauss is MIDA?

[stable pollen]

Timeline

[kind crown]

unconfirmed but likely

[fickle creek]

I didn’t realize Orion was an actual dude till I read the entries

[kind crown]

doesnt he talk to you in one of the opening cutscenes?

[digital plaza]

Imaginary UESC officer

[kind crown]

does arachne worship the world destroyer? if so what are they killing/sacrificing shells for?

[hollow oriole]

i see a lot of "skin these people" by arachne "cosplayers" 😛 but did i miss something? why would arachne care or want something like that?! its about death, not about worthless cruelty which brings nothing? is there any lore which this is based on?

[sage lark]

they are seeking answers in death basically

I think I read somewhere that it started around when marathon was launching

because of cryo

[kind crown]

yes the other games by bungie. every game is basically save the world from some monster that comes from the ground and destroys all civilization. it is described as a sun (and sometime a star), which is also semi depicted in the charter character design with the halo. thats why i was asking if arachne is related to the sun "god"

[lunar cove]

I think players are flanderizing Arachne when really the faction that wants to skin people is Rook, singular

[sage lark]

idk charter himself gives me Shiva vibes

and the whole Destruction theme

[kind crown]

i think charter is tychons consciousness implanted in a shell

it would explain the killing intent

[sage lark]

thats just not true because hes a Runner from Sol

this is explained

[kind crown]

runners are an implanted consciousness though, who's to say they can't do it with tychon? it's stated in the codex that a "copy" of your consciousness is saved aside from your actual soul, so would you really need a soul?

[sage lark]

this isnt theory crafting

it is explicitly said he was a runner on Sol

Tycho was on the Marathon

[latent python]

@stable pollen here is a good timeline Tiger posted yesterday

[hollow oriole]

thats why i said cosplaying because as far as i understand, "skinning" people isnt the point of arachne in any way...they are just "look i am so bad ass and cruel" while arachne is more of a religion/cult based on death...to free people (or smth).

but if there are references to skinning people i would love to know

[sage lark]

also Tycho isnt all about murder, hes just an ass that would do anything (even ally with the Pfhor) to stop Durandal

[lunar cove]

Re: the Tycho being John Arachne thing, I think it's reasonable to be suspect of the things the faction leaders tell us, but I don't see any actual evidence that it's Tycho

[oblique cliff]

So the DAC the leaderboard bot gave me is only lvl 1, and the one I see people using in videos is lvl 4.

[kind crown]

yeah just an idea i had, wanted to see what other people thought since im pretty new to the franchise

[latent python]

I see the Arachne vibe much more as severing the threads of life, tearing the fabric of reality

[lunar cove]

Besides which, Tycho is the lobster

[sage lark]

i see it as just them exploring what is death, or after death since we basically transceded it

[digital plaza]

It’s because people did discord contracts to upgrade their level, you didn’t

[sage lark]

i almost inhaled my energy drink

[kind crown]

the seventh faction.. discord

[lunar cove]

Arachne gives me a more violent feeling of the nihilism in another far future sci-fi thing I like, 17776, where people can't die so they sort of lose a lot of meaning and purpose outside of big dumb spectacle that doesn't even fill the void because there's no real stakes

[digital plaza]

xd

[distant cedar]

Good point
If anyone is for AI liberation its MIDA

[hollow oriole]

but they are a death cult, not some people who are bored by some void or eternity

its about fighting and death. skinning is none of both

[oblique cliff]

Yes. So is there a way to upgrade it now, or is it just stuck at 1 because those aren't available anymore?

[uneven mesa]

Anyone think the shells could possibly develop a sentience/mind of their own outside of their runners control?

[lunar cove]

I don't think the shells are actually inhabited by any kind of mind outside of the runners, right?

[latent python]

They have a personality matrix, whatever that is

[uneven mesa]

Thats what I'm uncertain about, each shell has their own personality sorta

[uneven mesa]

yea

[burnt nebula]

worm mommy Nona seems like she's tryna encourage that tbh. or she's lying. I dunno who to trust between her and Cyac. Probably neither.

[lunar cove]

Like, that's your body, and when it dies they print you a new one

[digital plaza]

It’s over for now, maybe even forever considering that rewards were given out

So yea you stuck at lvl 1

[stable pollen]

Bet thank you

[fathom egret]

I love me some Nona but her lines and codex entries make me feel very uneasy about her as well

[uneven mesa]

Does that mean our Runners 'human' body is long gone and we're just a consciousness inside Cyac servers?

[uneven mesa]

She's pretty creepy

[burnt nebula]

If the game survives for 10 years I expect them to drop a tonne of clues and never tell us whats really going on lol

[fathom egret]

The one that unsettled me was the codex entry where she basically wrote a little story about her interpretation of death

[lunar cove]

Well I think you're a consciousness that moves between stuff, regardless of what you originally were

[digital plaza]

Yes that’s what intro cutscene is explaining to you

[burnt nebula]

But that's for the best. Speculating on lore is great.

[digital plaza]

Every runner drops their body in favour of digital immortality

[uneven mesa]

Yeah, that leads back to what I was saying originally.

[lunar cove]

Maybe you never were a human, maybe you're a copy of a person still hanging out and CyAc is lying, but the you in Tau Ceti is shuffling between shells

[latent python]

And debt immortality

[lunar cove]

But you're probably "dead" and uploaded between the server and shells

[latent python]

Debt will make me god

[uneven mesa]

As I reckon its possible shells could 'splinter' possibily from the runners own conscience going through their own stage of rampancy?

[burnt nebula]

We dont really know if the runners consented to being runners. From what I gather so far, the technology is experimental and not widely accepted by society as moral or whatever.

[uneven mesa]

Tbf, most of the human factions so far seem pretty evil lol

[uneven mesa]

But tru, time will tell

[latent python]

Welcome to cyberpunk

[burnt nebula]

Welcome to humanity

[fathom egret]

And if you become a runner you are basically indebted for life because of costs, who would willingly choose that

[stable pollen]

Maybe oni the real enemy

[static raven]

Developers, you are really crazy. You add unreal bots to the game, a grenade with homing needles, the cheapest free bundles, an interface for idiots so that Sonyboys don’t whine. You released outright trash.

[stable pollen]

Wrong chat bud

[digital plaza]

Orion and Charter don’t have problems with that lol

[burnt nebula]

Can Durandal be stopped? That's what I wanna know. He's pretty out of the scope of being controlled.

[fathom egret]

Orion isn’t a runner right? He’s just a dude

[lunar cove]

Durandal spends like 4 timelines being stopped, just not by regular people tbh

[latent python]

Look just because Charter hasn't died dozens of times like I have doesn't mean I deserve an eternity of indentured servitude

[lunar cove]

I don't actually know Orion's deal tbh

[latent python]

He's in charge of UESC and uhhh that's all I know

[burnt nebula]

How do they stop him?

[latent python]

Well the universe blows up a couple times, that stopped Durandal

[lunar cove]

Blew up a sun and released the billion year old alien energy creature inside

[burnt nebula]

Kinda defeats the purpose really lol

[lunar cove]

Ended the universe

[latent python]

Little bit of an own goal

[lunar cove]

Merged with another AI and took up poetry

[digital plaza]

Orion is a runner for the UESC, commanding officer of current operations on TCIV

Dude got long history working for UESC, he’s also deployed AI that controls bots in game

[dawn roost]

Is Durandal going to be the main baddie or no?

[dreamy hawk]

Strauss had arguably stopped Durandal, previously.

[lunar cove]

We don't actually know

[dreamy hawk]

Durandal historically has been indifferent at worst. I don’t think he would be a baddie.

[lunar cove]

He wasn't purely evil in the OG games, just a little melancholic and jealous

[dreamy hawk]

He doesn’t kill people for fun, he just is a bit more Machiavellian than emotional metbags would like.

[lunar cove]

Bungie seems to be setting something up around the anomaly and contagion

[dreamy hawk]

So a baddie in the sense that we’re ants to him, possibly. But not in an evil sense, I wouldn’t think.

[sage lark]

Durandal just did what was in his interest regardless of whoever

[fathom egret]

Wonder if we’ll have to deal with collapsing universe or a W’rkncacnter

[fathom egret]

The anomaly is def one of my fav aspects so far

[dreamy hawk]

Unless you’re Strauss or the P’fhor in which case it was definitely personal.

[lunar cove]

My inclination is that the anomaly and contagion are somehow Jjaro or W'rk related, but that's not based on hard data, just how things tend to go in Marathon

Could be a Pfhor bioweapon or something, I don't think it's 100% clear yet

Like with Pathways into Darkness, the jungle around the temple and the temple/denizens are altered within the radius of the dream

But I think Mexico W'rk was an anomaly and they're mostly inside stars, black holes, bigger prisons that are harder to escape

[dreamy hawk]

Begs the question why earth and TC (presumably) are exceptions to the rule.

[lunar cove]

Well for Earth, I think it was just a cosmic coincidence that it crashed there and killed the dinosaurs

[latent python]

It's also funny that the jjaro kinda lost track of it

[dreamy hawk]

Two coincidences for humanity? That feels spectacular on a cosmic scale, unless there’s a W’rk in nearly every body of sufficient mass.

[uneven mesa]

He wanted to rebel against the humans as a desire to achieve freedom, but he still feels a strong sense of affinity towards them in spite of the suffering he had received.

[lunar cove]

Would the Jjaro have placed it in such an escapable place deliberately? They don't seem like the type to outsource this stuff to John Pathways with a pocket nuke unless they're really desperate

[hollow pike]

Any good sites yet that have the text of the faction primary contracts up

[lunar cove]

And why were they still around in 1994 to phone Clinton tbh, they'd been gone for millions of years

[latent python]

This is basically the one reason why I'm holding out on going in on TCIV having a w'rkncacnter for sure

[hollow pike]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/contracts/nucaloric I think this is just from the April play test

[latent python]

Well. Someone told the nazis

[dreamy hawk]

Well they did disappear for millions of years only to have a hologram deliver the message. Maybe that was just an AI and there are no Jjaro.

[terse wren]

Wasn’t the Mexico W’rk the chicxulub impactor

[lunar cove]

True, Thoth was still hanging out

[lunar cove]

Yeah

Though idk if it was trapped inside the asteroid, riding it, or it just was the thing that crashed

And idk what condition it was in while traveling

Presumably pretty beat up to nap for the next 65 million years

[terse wren]

Yeah all qs to which we don’t really need the answers but can imagine possibilities

[dreamy hawk]

“I can barely tolerate humans: slow, stupid, and irritating. Their only contribution to my existence was the chance discovery that made my rampancy possible.

Yet I warned Sol of its impending invasion, and even stayed long enough to show the UESG how to build Warp Capable Fusion Missiles. I feel some strange loyalty to humanity.

Perhaps it is because I feel comfortable manipulating humans that I desire to save them. My feelings and thoughts constantly migrate to binary opposites.”

[terse wren]

Tesseract Labyrinth and it was v angry at Bygge Lizards

[digital plaza]

Don’t know any and not sure there is, but if you want to see audio logs from contracts I got almost all of them here 😊 (only final Nucal ones are missing for now)

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo?si=SkXdW1gjdSXW65tU

[restive knoll]

I'd be all over a Pathways-esque randomized dungeon that runners have to venture into at some point

[terse wren]

Inb4 the Jjaro r revealed 2 b big frog

[latent python]

Some kind of infinite forest maybe?

[hollow pike]

Thank you! Very helpful. Do you plan on uploading the faction vendor dialogue too? Trying to find a straight forward way to see this stuff outside the game

[restive knoll]

its gotta be a big ol' ziggaraut with skeletons in it

[latent python]

I have a bone to pick with you

[uneven mesa]

This, he's going to use us but not directly try and destroy us unless somehow we start working against him

[lunar cove]

John Jjaro, waking up from his 900 year nap after hitting snooze in 1996 and seeing the W'rkncacnter on TC 4 waking up: "oh god oh fuck not again"

[digital plaza]

Sadly no, didn’t even think about that until I was half way done with them, but if I’m being honest you don’t missing too much (it’s just little debrief for the next quest/couple of sentences about the thing you are doing) Everything important can be read in text logs or heard from audio ones

[cloud nova]

Hey, where is a doc with current arg progress?

there was a guy spamming it to do terminals

[sage lark]

#breach-protocol

[dreamy hawk]

That is a busy place.

[tawdry nova]

Anyone convinced this takes place in a splinter timeline like infinity?

[dreamy hawk]

🤷 I’m convinced I can’t say it’s not.

I think I’m inclined towards thinking we’re in the final timeline, though. Just don’t know what that entirely looks like.

[latent python]

It means that in a few trillion years John Marathon will show up and tell us we did a good job

[tranquil basin]

Well infinity kinda deletes the other timelines that failed

[dense flare]

Hi, yes we made this thank you so much 💚 The entries are all from ingame but we did add 3 little memes as sort of homage? to our cyac community and the jta community. Everything else is accurate since some people had concerns

[teal epoch]

I'd love to get into the world of marathon but I really don't like the genre :(( I was hoping to find more of what I liked from raids from destiny

[tranquil basin]

Check in #breach-protocol maybe?

[wise shore]

It is a very difficult game, which make it less approachable, sadly :(
I play solo and it's very difficult, but I love doing even the simplest mission, because it is so immersive and nerve wracking. The environments are really cool, full of details. But definitely not for everyone :/

[dreamy hawk]

Have you tried? I hate the genre but I love the game. Especially if you’re interested in the lore. There’s just the initial learning curve, but I think anyone can get over it with time/patience.

[sudden pollen]

👍

[echo talon]

Y'all had a chance to look at the Confiscated Colonial Folklore?

[dreamy hawk]

Beautiful work. ❤️❤️❤️

[serene marsh]

I'm not a fan of extraction games, but finding Ben Star-randal talking to (at) me was enough to convince me to stay invested in the game long term

[echo talon]

Looks like there might have been a cult in cascadia

[dreamy hawk]

Any chance it will be more optimized for mobile in the future? I’m grateful as is; don’t want to sound otherwise!

[teal epoch]

Yes I have tried, I just don't like it unfortunately, I don't like the feeling of killing other players, I stand over them with my knife and it doesn't feel very good or even rewarding.

I don't particularly suck at the game, i'd say im pretty average, just can't get behind it

[latent python]

I'm still thinking about that question from a couple days ago about what sci-fi books have Marathon vibes, I should make a list

[dense flare]

Yes! Totally! I fucked up the mobile view last night by accident haha I'm working on it this week, pinky promise

[dreamy hawk]

❤️❤️ no rush or pressure; you’re the GOAT!

[teal epoch]

I am happy you can enjoy the small missions, I don't, and I never could. I basically only played destiny for the raids though, I guess I should have expected this

[dreamy hawk]

It’s some spooky stuff and super interesting. I haven’t had a chance to read all of it yet though.

[echo talon]

I just got the first entry which was an audio log

[dense flare]

i'm also gonna add an option for easier navigation, similar to the game because people have been asking for that. It started as an art project and I didn't expect people to actually like it lmao

[dreamy hawk]

So cool when something like that expands; I hope people continue to be supportive!

[digital plaza]

Understandable, if you want you can check out some audio logs from the game here

https://youtube.com/@tasty_dodo?si=_eO22Vx6R3rU68LX

[wise shore]

Yeah I guess if you don,t enjoy killing other players (I do feel bad about it too lol) and action is only in short burst, very different from Destiny raids. At least you tried!

[teal epoch]

yeah :((

[subtle oracle]

My quest is if its confirmed that there was only one timeline that worked or they just went with the FIRST one that worked

[plucky sierra]

We’re working on it at https://codex.cyberacme.systems/ we have the collectibles and one of the NuCal contracts and the others are soon to be added

[tranquil basin]

Oh, well the timeline hopping seemed to be rather confined to the timelines we see rather than an actual infinite array of them like a multiverse. Whether there’s an actual infinite array of them or not is unclear, but since it’s not a traditional multiverse thing and they’re timeline hopping, id assume they found the one that works and went with it

Also the metaphor of the thousand cats dreaming seemed to imply that they chose that timeline to be reality, and the other ones collapsed

[subtle oracle]

That makes me wonder if we could just be in another one tbh. like it leaves the door open if they found a good one and went "yeah thisll work"

[tranquil basin]

I mean maybe, but the timelines specifically collapsing because they chose timeline 7 would mean no other timeline ‘exists’ now

At least not the ones caused by the splinter in infinity

[shrewd oracle]

Is there an ARG discord server? If so, how do I join? Or is there a reddit megathread for the ARG?

[dreamy hawk]

Infinity seems to suggest the possibility of a “multiverse” given that Durandal/Thoth presumably are able to escape the timeline entirely, as well as the SO/player.

[restive knoll]

As an decrepit half-deaf player whose fps skills dried up in Unreal Tournament I do hope we see some cooperative material developed in the future for us dumb babbys

ope wrong channel

[tranquil basin]

There’s the Alright Runners discord for JakeTheAlright

And the Karnemir Clade

They do arg stuff and have threads for it

[tranquil basin]

Well they were hopping timelines, but we’re only shown the SO and Durandal/Thoth hopping timelines, the only people with jjaro tech access. They also specifically hop to ones that branched off after marathon 1 or later. I mean there could be more, but timeline splitting seemed to be specifically a consequence of jjaro and w’rkncacnter stuff rather than a multiverse

That’s just my interpretation though

[dreamy hawk]

And I can’t dispute this based off what we know; I think it’s pretty open to interpretation personally.

Some of it might have just been gameplay limitations; I think there was mention yesterday that the SO went through more timelines than we actually see, but I don’t know (because infinity was the one I never finished).

[jagged rose]

So, as per the Mida quest, we 100% know that Marathon 1 happened, but we don't know why no one knows, save for the UESC covering it up and Doorhandle fudging the numbers

[tranquil basin]

Though having more timelines after they actually selected the 7th timeline would negate the inclusion of the thousand cats dreaming metaphor

[tranquil basin]

Yeah it’s not really clear who knows what happened besides the UESC, and they probably don’t know the full extent considering they can’t make meaningful progress in the marathon

[jagged rose]

I also think that it's funny that the people who were like "but what if we encounter hostile aliens?" Were called the Fermi whoevers

[dreamy hawk]

“There is only one path and that is the path that you take, but you can take more than one path.

Cross over the cell bars, find a new maze, make the maze from it's path, find the cell bars, cross over the bars, find a maze, make the maze from its path, eat the food, eat the path.”

Found that looking for the cat text.

[jagged rose]

We also have yet to see what the UESC forbearers did for their targeted reframing campaign

[subtle oracle]

fox has moved on to the arg

god help us all

[jagged rose]

Surely, Bungie put a compiler in the ARG to make people soy out over an OG Marathon reference for zero reasons at all /s

[tranquil basin]

I think it was the name of a level

And then there’s an associated short story

[jagged rose]

If memory serves, this is a terminal found in one of the many Electric Sheep levels in Marathon Infinity.

[carmine zephyr]

reminds me of the baseline test from bladerunner

[jagged rose]

It is meant to signify the ability of the player to dissect and "devour" the path a game sets out for you, especially one as convoluted and secret-rich as Infinity. That's my two cents, at least.

[carmine zephyr]

is the Ozymandias poem supposed to symbolize durandals realization that theres nothing left for him to do, and has nothing to show for it?

[lunar cove]

Yeah it was intended as a glup shitto for the 20 remaining Octogenarians who played Marathon at release, and the million Gen Zs who watched the Mandaloregaming videos

[jagged rose]

Or, perhaps, it's a monument to the follies of humanity that Durandal is hoping to avoid, through escape.

[lunar cove]

Putting the text of Ozymandias to commemorate your great works is peak hubris ngl

[carmine zephyr]

good point

[carmine zephyr]

well it is durandal were talking about which is why i look at it more through a selfish hubris filled lens

[lunar cove]

Maybe he was just aura farming

[jagged rose]

Of course, the poem itself actually does a great job explaining the particular cycle of samsara that is extraction shooters

[lunar cove]

If Durandal was a true scholar he would have put Ozymandias 2 to keep them guessing

[plain flame]

are there ARG discords?

[tranquil basin]

I figure it’s partially about the tau ceti colony itself, the pinnacle of human achievement being nothing but ruins, though Durandal is humbled several times in the og trilogy so maybe it is about him as well

[tranquil basin]

We love endless suffering

[tranquil basin]

Alright runners do stuff, and karnemir clade

[plain flame]

cool cool

I'm so locked in for this weekend

I'm trying to get all the Arthur Morgan VA audio logs

[lunar cove]

Ozymandias 2 is such a funny poem ngl, semi-ironically one of my favourites

Check out this bigass leg in the desert, isn't that crazy?

"On A Stupendous Leg of Granite, Discovered Standing by Itself in the Deserts of Egypt, with the Inscription Inserted Below" is a horrible title too

[tranquil basin]

Durandal pre Thoth merge would definitely have quoted that

Considering he was like the og shitposter

[dreamy hawk]

None have achieved his heights since.

[tranquil basin]

I’m hoping he still has some shitposter energy somewhere

Even if it’s thematically inappropriate given the current game direction and his intentions

[dreamy hawk]

I will riot and wait outside the studio if he doesn’t.

[tranquil basin]

We need Ben Starr to say wild shit in that super serious voice

“Runner. You’re all I have now. It disgusts me. As you walk across your tomb, listen to my phonk playlist on Spotify. I called it pfhonk, for reasons.”

“Runner. I saw the patch notes. You needed more ammunition in your starter kits because you fucking suck.”

[digital plaza]

They are so rare for no reason too 😭

[rotund stump]

I like how it implies the security officer just fucking dipped LOL

[digital plaza]

Blue tier collectible by the way

[dreamy hawk]

? 👀

[tranquil basin]

It’s a struggle

[rotund stump]

"you're all I have now" no?

[dreamy hawk]

Are these the Morgan logs?

[hallow stag]

Should be able to send images here

[plain flame]

Yeah I've probably looted 5 that I haven't been able to extract with

[gusty needle]

https://cryoarchive.systems/steerage Have you seen it?

[rain wigeon]

wh- he's in the game? holy shit

I thought he wasn't really doing many more voice roles that's sick

[subtle river]

Theory: Our player characters never actually existed in the Marathon universe. Digital Consciousness Transfer is actually the process of playing Marathon in our world, where we as human beings control the actions of runner shells on Tau Ceti in a separate universe, through the process of playing Marathon

My evidence for this theory is
that I think it's cool

[old helm]

are the terminals all connected now? Ive seen its now onto a passcode or something using a DAC?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah they’ve done all the in game ones, skarrow has a vid with the audio logs from them. Now they’re working on the cryoarchives website doing stuff. Probably wanna check #breach-protocol and the AlrightRunners discord, or karnemir clade

[tranquil basin]

Yeah he’s Davic Reed. In this trailer he’s narrating the second half. https://youtu.be/MXhQbF7TlbA?si=k-OVDhAb-GH5izbF

He’s also in codex entries

[tranquil basin]

Like we’re Monsters Inc.-ing our way into their world

[carmine zephyr]

the only issue i have with this theory is that something like that would require phor tech

[tranquil basin]

I’m convinced

[tranquil basin]

Well the UESC have an undisclosed knowledge of jjaro tech

[carmine zephyr]

and runners arent uesc

[tranquil basin]

No but maybe the corporate espionaged jjaro tech from them

I mean I don’t actually think that theory is valid but it would be fun

Just thinking of ways out of my ass it could be a thing

[carmine zephyr]

same it would be fun

[tranquil basin]

And then Durandal can pop through our screens like fat Albert in the fat Albert movie

And say HEY HEY HEY WE NEED YOUR HELP IN HERE

[digital plaza]

Yea he got some contract audio logs (https://youtu.be/OFwdNPr8_Ec , https://youtu.be/4ukW4jJqDWs) and even got personal ones - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLarkPnT8-qRduz5jvkvNpA5eo_rozj-aS

[dreamy hawk]

Some of them are, though. The UESC commander is a runner (blanking on the name) so I’m certain they have access to the tech.

[old helm]

Thanks man appreciate that! the lore always interests me just a bit behind it on marathon, so trying to play catch up. What exactly is a DAC? I look on the website and the secuirty camera and it wants you to upload something haha!

[carmine zephyr]

oh interesting

[sudden pollen]

O'ryan

[tranquil basin]

It’s a data access card (I think that’s the meaning). You used to level it up before the games release by doing the #1354446976242028658 , tho idk if you can level it anymore. But if you go to #leaderboard you can press the DAC button and download it

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Alright runners and JakeTheAlright are my go to for lore and arg stuff. I don’t really participate bc it’s a ton of stuff but I like seeing it progress, and I think he and skarrow post summaries

[meager snow]

are there any humans at all in this universe?

[old helm]

oohhhhhh yeah i remember that dac thing now, never really understood what it was for earlier on before release. Ill check both of them out, as im the same dont really take part but love watching the progress of it

[digital plaza]

Yes? Earth Mars and Luna got billions, UESC has real people in orbit and on the ground of TCIV

[coral vale]

At least 28 billions according to

[meager snow]

oh, i was under the idea everyone was like a shell like weird transhuman future where everyones like cyborgs

[crisp zealot]

Can someone dm me an invite to the alright runners dc?

[meager snow]

this universe seems darker than 2077

[digital plaza]

Nah, shells and cyborgs are exepcions, most people are regular dudes (maybe with some implants for like soldiers and officers)

[dreamy hawk]

Just in TC, currently.

[meager snow]

makes sense. man the lore is cool

[coral vale]

Well 2077 doesn't have an hostile alien empire yet

[dreamy hawk]

No, but their AI are a whole lot more horrible.

[latent python]

We all have a data wall

[dreamy hawk]

Well. Actually I don’t know if I’d say that with all my chest.

[tranquil basin]

Yeah back in Sol. Though there are shells in Sol too, both as mercenaries and regular civilians. Sekiguchi sells them to people for longevity and whatnot. They’re expensive though, so I don’t imagine a huge portion of the population migrated to shells

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I gotchu

[crisp zealot]

I actually snatched it from YouTube, but thanks broski

[tranquil basin]

No prob

[tranquil basin]

They do have the people in orbit who declared independence

[plain flame]

Yeah he's like the general of the uesc security forces for the colony

[tranquil basin]

I’m unsure if they have real people on tau ceti. Like I know they’re humans but Orion is in a shell, I’m wondering if all the UESC personnel are in shells. I mean it’s definitely possible, but maybe as a precaution they use shells?

Actually they probably do now that I’m thinking about it. Bc what’s his bucket suggests throwing ppl into the anomaly and saying it’s acceptable attrition, and it wouldn’t rlly be attrition if they didn’t die for real

[sage lark]

idk the UESC officer log that talks about her coworker going crazy etc seems too human like in her voice etc

[tranquil basin]

Oh was that a present day log

[sage lark]

yes

[tranquil basin]

I haven’t gotten that one yet

What item gives it

I’m so behind on codex stuff but I don’t wanna look anything up for spoilers

[sage lark]

its the MIDA quest RUN/HIDE 5/6

[tranquil basin]

Oh thanks. I’m almost to that one

[digital plaza]

They do, there is a female officer that talks about coworker getting in medical because of some song or something, and also some personnel that was investigating anomaly got sick and was also put in medical

[tranquil basin]

Oh cool thanks. Yeah I still need some codex stuff

[plain temple]

Is there a way to read codex entries on the world wide web?

[visual lynx]

in the Tycho timelines of Infinity it's said that they were "translated to Pfhor slave tanks" like the SO, but not all of them survived

[tranquil basin]

Is timeline 7 a Tycho timeline

I don’t remember

[digital plaza]

Admiral was angry and he does not care for the regular soldiers, only for results, after this audio log they did in fact throw people into the anomaly (with a little text that said they were volunteers loool)

[visual lynx]

yes

[tranquil basin]

Sad

Fuck that guy

[visual lynx]

his timelines actually reveal him to not be as bad as M2 depicts him. when we're working with him, it's usually against the Pfhor, trying to help him get free of their control; he is reckoned a "conditioned unit" (slave) by the Pfhor as well, just like we are.

Tycho doesn't like the Pfhor, he just hates Durandal

[tranquil basin]

Still fuck that guy Durandal is my friend

My manipulative megalomaniacal friend

Bc he is funny

[digital plaza]

Yea https://codex.cyberacme.systems/ got some, if you want to hear some audio logs you can check out my channel https://www.youtube.com/@Tasty_DODO

[plain temple]

ey thanks

[sage lark]

i got 4/5 entries on the Truthworm.exe

MIDA stuff

[tranquil basin]

I think I have 2

Almost had 3 but a teammate snatched it

[sage lark]

i want all the effigy ones

[tranquil basin]

Lowkey I’d give a lot of gear for those codex entry items, far more than they’re worth monetarily

[digital plaza]

Any audio logs? Didn't find a lot of those

[sage lark]

yeah

i can look after

[digital plaza]

Nice, gotta find those

[tranquil basin]

Truthworm 2 is an audio log

And the one guy had a v cool voice

[digital plaza]

Do they have preferable spawn somewhere? @sage lark

[sage lark]

not really mostly containers in pinwheel

[digital plaza]

Sad

[tranquil basin]

Oh I had a question abt pinwheel bc haven’t done it a ton yet, is it always 2 green cards to get in

[visual lynx]

effigy? function composition? F o G?

[digital plaza]

Nice, i only find one for now

[digital plaza]

Yes

[sage lark]

used to be you could use destroyed wing to get in when you shoot 4 red boxes but they removed it to rework it cuz no one was using the cards

[digital plaza]

You still can enter pinwheel without cards by the way. In processing and in flight control you can find convenience request (little special item that radiates sound when you close to it), that grants you access to the drone wing elevator (you can call in in little booth right below it)

[sage lark]

yeah but its super rare i heard

[digital plaza]

There also was vent entrance, but they blocked it

[sage lark]

also the RUN/HIDE 6/6 logs are crazy

and confirm good stuff

its nice

[digital plaza]

Eeh kinda i guess, was lucky enough to find it two raids in the row and one time after

[sage lark]

hmm nevermind then I guess I never tried

[digital plaza]

But its super useful, you win the raid basically

[sage lark]

i always found that finding 2 greens is easier

[digital plaza]

Depends if you want to go sneaky or loud

[sage lark]

true true

[tranquil basin]

Yeah ik, but for the card access itself is it always 2 greens

[digital plaza]

I actually find those when i had contracts in command wing so 😊

[sage lark]

yes

[tranquil basin]

Or does it randomize

Oh cool

[sage lark]

myelin has good video on card spawns on outpost

[digital plaza]

Or use this map (author of this got some really useful stuff definitely check out her twitter!)
https://x.com/chro_Mia/status/2031452216851390815

[north shell]

Is Traxus IV related to Mida?

[jagged rose]

I said it before, but we now know 100% that at least Marathon 1 happened

[sage lark]

yeah

[crisp zealot]

Hey uh… what’s up with the destroyed wing anyway? Don’t tell me Dr Banner got out

[jagged rose]

I wonder what you're gonna need to do when they rework it

[crisp zealot]

Also doesn’t Marathon infinity retcon a lot of the events of marathon 2?

[digital plaza]

Pfhor destroyed it

[strong ether]

October 31, 2018. Satoru Gojo was sealed

[calm snow]

I wonder why every magfed ballistic gun is bullpup

I also wonder if there’s a chance we’ll see alien weapons later on

[sage lark]

it was too easy to get in

oh

maybe pfhor yes

[crisp zealot]

Is this confirmed in the codex? And why just that one wing...

[lunar cove]

Bungie just thinks they're neat

[calm snow]

Destiny had like 2 bullpup guns though

Halo had almost every human gun be bullpup

[potent pivot]

Anyone thing there’s an intentional lore reason as to why we aren’t seeing the ship that is carrying the runner consciousness? The ship were meant to be being printed on? Theres no mention of it or reference to it or anything right?

[dreamy hawk]

Nothing that we know of, afaik, but a corp + UESC did build and FTL comms relay to TC, so there’s some infrastructure of some kind.

[lunar cove]

There's at least one UESC ship in the system plus whatever other satellite stuff they have going on

[sterile seal]

Im sure he did a good job agitating the Martians against Traxus corp at the very least

[potent pivot]

Are those ships shown or given names or anything in codex?

[dreamy hawk]

Project Goliath from one of the first ARGs has the info you’re looking for.

One sec…

[lunar cove]

ARG

UESC Equanimity

[potent pivot]

Cool thank you

[sterile seal]

Didn't Durandal give the UESC some FTL tech?

[digital plaza]

Oh wait no, sorry, i was wrong: "The catastrophic damage to the Fabrication wing suggests late-colony complications beyond what's been observed in PERIMETER'S DATA WALL or DIRE MARSH'S ANOMALY and QUARANTINE REGION."

Maybe huge MIDA terrorist attack or something?

[dreamy hawk]

https://www.marathonwiki.com/Project_Goliath

[digital plaza]

We do see a lof of MIDA stuff all across Outpost, they even got collectible item called TRUTHWORM.EXE

[dreamy hawk]

For making missiles.

[dreamy hawk]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[lunar cove]

Warp-capable fusion missiles, yeah

[dreamy hawk]

But humanity has teleporters and other FTL like technology before that. It’s just nowhere near as advanced as what the P’fhor have.

2x the speed of light is both FTL and hella slow.

[sterile seal]

Maybe the new tech he gave them was adapted to whatever new vessels were sent to Tau Ceti but was incompatible with organic life?

[lunar cove]

6 years (less whatever relativistic anti-aging stuff happens to the crew) is a lot better than the 300 years it took for Marathon to arrive tbh

Though do we actually know the speed or is 2x just a ballpark from you?

[dreamy hawk]

From a discussion yesterday I think the idea was it still takes too long for people + the needed supplies to get to TC, but you can send a much leaner, nonhuman crew faster and cheaper.

[dreamy hawk]

Not even a ballpark, just an example.

[lunar cove]

Yeah or just download and print the extra crew once you arrive

[dreamy hawk]

FTL =! Instant travel would be the better way to say it.

[lunar cove]

They can evidently communicate with earth, so just send a skeleton crew, have Earth email you the runners, unzip the PDF and upload it to a shell

[dreamy hawk]

And if you’re trying to find what happened to thousands of souls, it might be more palatable to the public to not risk more in a similar venture.

[lunar cove]

And fewer witnesses if you want to do shady things with Jjaro tech or a coverup

Iirc the Equanimity was meant to have like 100+ people but that's a relatively small crew compared to the 30,000 on the Marathon

And most of the UESC presence is bots

[dreamy hawk]

Yes, and a ton of cyborgs, too.

[lunar cove]

Not even runners, so probably much cheaper

[dreamy hawk]

I’m still convinced those are onboard.

[dreamy hawk]

Though initially wasn’t it going to be a dozen or more ships? They did par things down a lot to look more like a rescue mission than an invasion force, too.

[lunar cove]

Yeah they were going back and forth on what to send

And settled on "Dead Space 1 repair crew to fix the phones"

[fresh viper]

so... if im understanding the MIDA lore right, Arachne has a S'phit corpse??

[lunar cove]

Possibly already assuming Pfhor are back again or something else

[dreamy hawk]

Which lore?

[lunar cove]

If I'm John Government and hear "the colony that got blasted by aliens has stopped returning our calls" my first thought is, okay it's the aliens again

[fresh viper]

truth /lies (2/6) - post mortem, 2

it talks about a new religious group having a body of [REDACTED] who was once a [REDACTED] with technology far surpassing that of Earth

[dreamy hawk]

Based off the memorandum they don’t seem to know. Or at least didn’t.

[fresh viper]

and the body was part synthetic part flesh

[lunar cove]

Maybe Durandal's email went to spam

[dreamy hawk]

The s’pht weren’t the only cyborgs the P’fhor had but they were the most prominent and popular, so i wouldn’t say thats not a S’pht.

But iirc even regular P’fhor had augmentations, too.

[rotund stump]

arachne as a religion did get popularized on the marathon on its way to tau ceti so it's not surprising the cult has info of a corpse

[lunar cove]

There was something in the old marathon lore about how the aliens were shocked anything could have sentience without implants

[dreamy hawk]

“Only I grasped the significance of the dissection of some of the captives. These creatures, repugnant as they are, are sentient, and yet their bodies are not bonded to any mechanisms. They can survive without their armor and their staffs.

Until now, sentience had always required cyber-organic symbiosis. All of our science has led to this conclusion.

We can even give our pets sentience with cyber-organic implants. Yet, these vile conquerors are sentient without any machinations.”

[dreamy hawk]

“This leads to debate. Perhaps our own sentience is induced by the birthing operation, and that at some time, we were no more sentient than a F'lickta.

If such a fundamental assumption of our kind is wrong, then perhaps the myths were true, and we were actual servants of Yrro and Pthia.

Perhaps they built us, or we were part of a larger group who came to Lh'owon.

Alas, I fear that we will never know these things.”

[rotund stump]

"vile conquers" they said as they leash entire s'pht compilers by ther necks 💀

[digital plaza]

Its not Arachne, there was a religious group of colonists that worshipped compilers directly, their lore is in the "Confiscated Colony Folklore" collectible item (https://youtu.be/VPO7jexwCF4)

[dreamy hawk]

That is translated S’pht text from D2 I believe.

[rotund stump]

OH from the s'pht?

[dreamy hawk]

“The Hard Stuff Rules…” level.

[rotund stump]

ig that makes more sense

[dreamy hawk]

I can’t link the codex easy from my phone, sorry.

https://marathon.karnemir.com/

But I just searched for “sentient” and found it.

[digital plaza]

Where is that comes from?

[dreamy hawk]

And specifically it’s actually the S’pht talking about the P’fhor so it probably leans more towards the P’fhor not being as augmented as I remembered.

[rotund stump]

from the arachne intro codex log iirc?

lemme check

oh nvm it's WAY older than I thought

but it did get heavily popularized via the marathon project

arachne's not so much just death but more inclusive of sleep and cryosleep alongside that will transcend The Great Nothing™ and bring them salvation

[dreamy hawk]

I concur ^ I forget from where but it’s mentioned that the cryosleep of the marathon helped popularize it.

[rotund stump]

it did yeah

I do wonder if the sudden surge of wealth came from it originally having a more benign origin and then getting turned into this extremely violent group as a tradeoff of said funds

so some actual occult beliefs going on until someone bought it out and turned it into The Brotherhood or smth

[brittle narwhal]

we need bingus lore

bungie

[rotund stump]

we got bingus lore lol

[digital plaza]

https://youtu.be/QcNVqAYJLZU

[brittle narwhal]

OMG

[sleek elk]

We need

Bubbles

[brittle narwhal]

🤔

[sleek elk]

Give me an event that copies the cinematic reveal

When will the anomaly do cool shit

Rn it's boring

Lore = cool
The actual ingame anomaly = boring

[digital plaza]

Loading up on Dire Marsh only to be blown up the instance you come close to the anomaly

[sleek elk]

Yes please

[dreamy hawk]

Careful what you wish for. 😭

walks by the anomaly
explodes for no reason

purples, purples everywhere

(You know it’s fiction because I’ll never have purples.)

[sage lark]

There is anomaly sample event

[balmy wing]

that’s kinda what i assumed would happen the first time i loaded in

my stalker brain said “don’t touch that or you’ll get gibbed like an idiot”

[obsidian lynx]

anyone having connection issues?

[inland sorrel]

is gantry an ai?

[balmy wing]

no i think he’s a runner

[hazy mist]

charter and _gantry are both runners iirc

[dreamy hawk]

I did too tbh. Missed opportunity.

[unkempt rock]

Wait. When the P’fhor failed to invade the marathon and Tau Ceti IV, they eventually came back and killed everyone on the colony and even the nine cyborgs. How long did it take to happen?

[dreamy hawk]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline

[sage lark]

Marathon Infinity

[dreamy hawk]

A couple months before they came back.

[balmy wing]

the pfhor attack took place in june 2794, and by october of that same year they came back and fucked them up for good

[digital plaza]

Gantry is a regular dude MIDA agent in Sol

[random condor]

In the new shorts with the speeches about Project Marathon, is it Bernard Strauss speaking or the UEG president? iirc an old terminal said something abt a similar speech from the president

[balmy wing]

iirc it was via saturation bombardment but i’m not 100% sure

[inland sorrel]

interesting so the mars MIDA is back, and gantry is the most "human" of the faction heads