📚marathon-lore-discussion

[lavish lance]

the marathon is in orbit of tau ceti

[rotund stump]

y...yeah

and?

like I'm not saying it in a despite-of tone I'm asking what more is there

[lavish lance]

"3D-printed in orbit of Tau Cet"

[sage lark]

Reading comprehension isnt strong with you

[rotund stump]

marathon is on tau ceti orbit and what else?

[sage lark]

Is that your only evidence?

lmao

[rotund stump]

imma need you to pull up codex entries and lore pages for this

no you do not use google ai to summarize

[sullen sedge]

There could be multiple “satalites” around Tau Ceti, they don’t have to be Moon sized to print us especially if they don’t print en masse and only after a previous runner iteration dies.

[rotund stump]

now see this could work

[teal axle]

Oh my gosh I just can’t beat this contract. I need to send salvage to a DCON station but fricken Storage is always covered with players!

[rotund stump]

instead of straight up saying we come from the marathon when we're actively finding our way to it lmao

[teal axle]

lol or if I’m in trios the other players wont keep me alive while I’m trying to do the mission!! Aaaaaauuuggghh

[rotund stump]

but also corpo transport could also mean beaming via etherstep, marathon runs legacy tech and ftl travel could've been invented during the flight and we could just be printed at sol and beamed off to new cascadia

[lavish lance]

Hey you know what your probably right, Im probably completely wrong. Please excuse me for trying my best with the information I had and trying to help. You both are completely a displeasure of interacting with.

[rotund stump]

we are NOT fr rn 😭 ✌️

we asking for claims to get backed up and we're the displeasures

[sage lark]

Call out misinfo = we are the villains

[scenic summit]

The tone sounds adverserial

[sullen sedge]

My understanding of Marathon lore is pretty limited, since I was a halo kid, but if FTL has advanced that far I’d probably believe that.

[lavish lance]

Thats what im saying man

[rotund stump]

cuz we all know using google genini for lore info's complete bs much less any other ai 😭 😭

I'd rather you actually put in the effort to scour sources than have an unreliable AI summarize for you

that alone is already stupid

[sullen sedge]

Can’t wait for Gemini to go Rampant and start giving actually useful info

[lavish lance]

Id rather you grow up and fuck off

[sage lark]

Damn

[rotund stump]

it summoned the pfhor to my front door the other day when I looked up occam's razor lol

[rotund stump]

we ain't the ones using gemini for lore hunbun 😹 ✌️

lying and stick it up then calling us toddlers is crazy

[sullen sedge]

Yeah, do what every souls player does and listen to the 6 hour retrospective

[sage lark]

Idk how else you call out someone so confident thats wrong

Do i have to be super patient with them

Pat em on the back

You did a good job

[rotund stump]

and this ain't even the elitist take you think it is 😭

like

no offense at all

but if you're genuinely interested about lore I'd encourage you to do that

[scenic summit]

You've insulted people in this channel, which in a debate destroys credibility

Formally, its called Ad Hominem fallacy

[sage lark]

I forgot we are in a formal debate and not in a discord channel

[scenic summit]

Which is why you don't do it

I never said this was a formal channel

[rotund stump]

I mean ad hom really only stands if we're using said insult as an arguing point so

[dusty vapor]

its fine dude, thanks for replying my question anyway

[rotund stump]

plus we gave actual rebuttals if you wanna play the debate game

[dusty vapor]

so we can probably rule out Sol teleportation and Marathon runner lobby right?

[scenic summit]

Lack of goodwill tunes me out is all I'm saying

[rotund stump]

likely sol tp via etherstep

[sage lark]

I never called him specifically anything, i just said make shit up, and wtf

Until he posted a gemini thing

[rotund stump]

imma just clarify my stand and say I didn't escalate

[sage lark]

If those are ad hominems then I guess

[sage lark]

I think its an issue how most people sometimes including myself, are confidently wrong

Literally pointed out the mistake but instead they doubled and even tripled down on it

Anyway thats all Im gonna say

[dusty galleon]

Who’s the runner in the reveal trailer?

[rotund stump]

like the first ever reveal?

[dusty galleon]

Yes

[rotund stump]

lore-wise pretty much nothing

development-wise I think that became the foundation for recon

[dusty galleon]

Oh yeah I could see that with the visor

[rotund stump]

and white rabbit who sniped em became thief eventually with a skin rn that is technically a throwback to said concept

same name btw

[dusty galleon]

I’m guessing the one bleeding out in the white pool was prolly destroyer but reworked

[rotund stump]

nah that was recon lol

pink helm was recon

sniper with a tear on her face was white rabbit

[dusty galleon]

OH

[rotund stump]

yep yep

[dusty galleon]

I gotcha I had them mixed up

Thank you for the clarification id love to see these designs come back as a skin option someday

I love current day thief but the one in the reveal trailer is sick too

[dusty vapor]

at the time of the reveal trailer I dont think they had yet decided it would be a hero/class shooter, so its probably some early concept runner, bungie didn’t have recon, thief triage etc in mind

[rotund stump]

recon's luxe palace skin is technically a throwback as well

given the helm shape and all

game's inspired by a ton of modern sports gear design too and luxe palace shines through all that

[dusty galleon]

Oh wow I haven’t seen that skin until now, it looks fantastic

[rotund stump]

oddly enough my fav's still vandal's crash casket lmao

stare enough and you'll notice a ton of cool detail beneath all that red

[sudden pollen]

Yuuup, and still people call the skins "boring recolor"

[dusty galleon]

oh crash casket is sick

[dusty galleon]

All the skins look great imo but I do wish that there was some destiny level customization sometimes

[rotund stump]

shorter sleeves, tons of different face markings and all that and still keeping the punk feel

I mean I do wish there's more contrast than all red but it's still pretty cool lol

[sage lark]

I think they wanna to keep them tame for S1

As we go on they will get more interesting

[sudden pollen]

Would be nice for sure but I'd say the variety you get even the free ones, everyone can find something they like. Many are multicolor or with cool patterns too

[dusty galleon]

true

[stable pollen]

Anybody figure out the name of the ship or wtv the shells are made and we tp from called?

Or is ts gonna be revealed when we go to the marathon ship?

[drifting mulch]

not yet, we don't know if it's yet to be revealed in the codex or how

[rotund stump]

we're more likely printed on sol and beamed to tau ceti via etherstep

[stable pollen]

Oh alr bet. I figured so, I haven’t had much time to complete quest and go through the logs myself.

[rotund stump]

given the corpo-gov nonviolence treaty I doubt any corpo transport's allowed anywhere near UESC-occupied units in tau ceti orbit or planetside, much less unmarked shell printing facilities

plus it's a ton of work and resources that said facility would pull from seemingly thin air if they're stationed from tau ceti orbit

given the runner craze on tau ceti and how shells were bespoke creations until this point in time a shell printer in orbit would be extremely inconspicuous and obvious that it's for runners like us who are unregistered biocybers that have our human rights stripped

therefore the shell printer would be immediately blown to bits without any moral concern from the UESC 💀

[gray sluice]

Nope cause this would be a sekiguchi lab

There is a satellite in orbit because of how the runners are transmitted into the shells

Like if you reach the end of the timer in game your connection is lost

[rotund stump]

if unmarked then it'd be demolished and even if it's from sekgen they've been fighting for salvage rights which are actively denied like every other corp from the UESC

[gray sluice]

They're not on tau Ceti though they're in space

Sekiguchi isn't trying to salvage anything

[rotund stump]

also just not true

synthsilk decay causes forced recall and it's from the planet's anomalous effects

shells on sol last a lot longer

[rotund stump]

could also say that for consciousness syncs from cyac's servers down to tau ceti but about the same argument

[gray sluice]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KZ4vknoJvzQ?si=LLP-3Cgiwg9kaFdS

[rotund stump]

I don't think a short's representative enough of a source 💀 💀

regurgitated content aside where's the primary source

[stable pollen]

Source? Just so I know it’s valid and not pure speculation? Sol is also just the sun in marathon from what I’m seeing. Earth and mars, and tau ceti IV are the only planets that inhabit humans.

[lavish palm]

real its only been hinted at that the runner consciousness is stored in orbit when during the cinematic we see that random ship after the blinking lights

its an assumption thats those are the runner consciousnesses

[rotund stump]

and we don't know which orbit

still

[stable pollen]

When assassin dies and the data center pops us and the light goes from green to red right?

@lavish palm

[lavish palm]

yes

[gray sluice]

Well it's unedited gameplay

[stable pollen]

This games a mindfk

[gray sluice]

Not everything needs to be a massive log

[lavish palm]

its a good assumption bc it goes from void dying -> blinling lights -> random ship -> tau ceti i think

[lavish palm]

well itd be nice if he cited the codex or wherever he got that

[rotund stump]

gameplay like you said

I'm going off in-game voicelines lol

[gray sluice]

So what happens ingame isn't canon?

[rotund stump]

I hate waffles smth smth

[manic iris]

Any good YouTube videos about a lore breakdown ?

[stable pollen]

HiddenXperia got some good ones

[rotund stump]

my point being shell synthsilk degrades much faster here than on any of the (artificially) habitable sol atmos given we only have 20 minutes and oni specifically mentioned tau ceti's volatile atmos

[gray sluice]

Jakethealright is decent

[gray sluice]

If that was the case our health would slowly drain?

[rotund stump]

and it's just logical that no corpo or unmarked shell printer would be anywhere near tau ceti given lack of human right concerns for the UESC to demolish them or a corpo one coming anywhere close per the nonviolence treaty

[rotund stump]

no?

wouldn't need to be a DoT the shell would just need to be in a stable state

[small robin]

Are UESC drones fully AI? Or are they like us?

[rotund stump]

fully AI

[small robin]

interesting

[gray sluice]

So what it's like mad cow disease and we just drop dead 😭

[small robin]

what the fuck are they doing when they personally finish us off?

[gray sluice]

Ts might be the WORST theory OAT

[rotund stump]

just following combat programs

[small robin]

they start sucking you bro

[stable pollen]

Data collection or just draining energy maybe?

[small robin]

freaky asf

[rotund stump]

consciousness scrambling

[gray sluice]

🤤

[winged ember]

Woops wrong chat area lol

[dusty galleon]

I need me a UESC drone fr

[rotund stump]

for gameplay reasons we drop dead, lore-wise it's a forced recall back to the shell printer and the liminal space where our shell resides

[gray sluice]

Gameplay reasons we are forcefully disconnected as shown in the short

[rotund stump]

yeah I...did just say that

[gray sluice]

And lore wise

Why do you think gameplay is separate to the lore

[gray sluice]

Thus not dead

[small robin]

Being a runner sounds like ass bro

[rotund stump]

it is 💀

[small robin]

only feeling alive when risking your life

permanently giving up your own body to basically become a collection of brainwaves used akin to a plug-and-go combat AI

[stable pollen]

My theory is, we gotta be somewhere close to tau ceti IV. In the cinematic, vandal tells oni to get the exercise over with so she can get down there to complete contracts. Down there in my mind means somewhere in orbit.

[rotund stump]

one burns your skin with shoulder micro missiles, another makes your body move before your brain does, a third one has a small chance to induce psychosis, fourth is an artificial dopamine addict and a fifth shares the immense pain of the person being rezzed for a split moment

so yeah

[small robin]

You shed memories too, to the point you aren't sure you're actually you

[rotund stump]

running is painful

[gray sluice]

Idk about that we say down under to refer to an active warzone

[dusty galleon]

Is this like a Warframe scenario with separate body/runner shell consciousness, or a Destiny exo where the consciousness is uploaded to the shell

[stable pollen]

Give me an example

[rotund stump]

DER logic applies

so second

[small robin]

Destiny Exo

Literally

[dusty galleon]

Gotcha

[gray sluice]

Well in Vietnam a deployment would be "in the shit"

[small robin]

Biomata tech isnt dogshit like Braytech

so its reusable

[dusty galleon]

Is it explained how the consciousness returns to be uploaded to a newly printed shell? After death

[stable pollen]

That ain’t the same thing bro lol down there when your a ship somewhere in space usually means your in orbit of whatever you’re referring to

[gray sluice]

Well it's also referred to as tau Ceti side

[rotund stump]

not really it's more like laws are fucked and we dgaf about the consequences and we're corpo slaves already 💀 💀

UESC CSL tech is still extremely shoddy

[small robin]

Your conscience is basically ejected along an encrypted upload stream when you die

[rotund stump]

vandal and glitch are mida gizmos and you can imagine how that goes

[stable pollen]

True

[dusty galleon]

Ahh okay

[gray sluice]

I'm pretty sure in Args they mentioned the satellite

[stable pollen]

I thought assassin was unknown like recon?

[small robin]

Formerly MIDA gizmos*

[gray sluice]

I'm pretty sure it's rather hiding in sol or is above tau Ceti

[rotund stump]

made by arachne apparently...?

[gray sluice]

Leaning a bit towards tau Ceti

[rotund stump]

granted I only got that info from a neph vid iirc

[dusty galleon]

Is the conscious able to switch to a different printed body at will? I figured that’s what the point of the child photograph in the cinematic was

[small robin]

Nu-MIDA are basically posers imo

[rotund stump]

was it neph I forgot

[gray sluice]

Makes sense Arachne has incredibly deep pockets

[rotund stump]

I love nu-mida a lot more ngl

[small robin]

Yes, it's at-will

[rotund stump]

truer to its anarchy nature than the philosophically driven old mida

[stable pollen]

Link me the neph vid, I gotta do all the research I can before I get back on clueless

[fleet plaza]

hey i think i found an easter egg hidden in perimeter

[small robin]

running fucks with your memory after being uploaded 500+ times though id imagine

[gray sluice]

Did you eat it?

[fleet plaza]

i got a sudo cutscene

deadass

[stable pollen]

Where at?

[rotund stump]

https://youtu.be/qms1se3Hr-U?si=qhIoPVXUkSXXnpWO le

[small robin]

I just like nu-mida because their shells are sick and they pay well

[fleet plaza]

i have screenshots and clips idk if it has been found before

[stable pollen]

Well show it I wanna see lol

[stable pollen]

Preciate it

[dusty galleon]

Post it

[fleet plaza]

i cant link it here

neither image nor vid

[rotund stump]

no embed's fine but if it's a pic then #🎨marathon-community-art-chat's effectively a media channel atp so

[stable pollen]

Shii you can send it to me then

[rotund stump]

(don't tell dante I said that)

[dusty galleon]

Could also do #📽️run-clips since it technically happened mid run

[fleet plaza]

posting there

like

is this a holy shit lore drop moment

[rotund stump]

oh yeah those are just the terminals 💀 💀

[fleet plaza]

deadass wasn't in the tests

[rotund stump]

#breach-protocol's dedicated to cracking the contents inside

[dusty galleon]

Part of ongoing ARG

[rotund stump]

these are hints for cryo archive

[fleet plaza]

ooo okie okie

i thought that was cryo archive

so i assume it is known

[gray sluice]

Yeah it's known

Seen it before

Neat tho isn't it

[cursive creek]

had durandal speak to me and he does not like we are here

[rotund stump]

nobody wants us here 💀 💀

[stable pollen]

There’s a room on outpost that’s got alotta cool action figures in it and posters

[fleet plaza]

dawg imagine stumbling into this without warning on the run

[gray sluice]

Mommy Nona does

[rotund stump]

nona only says what she thinks she wants us to hear

[gray sluice]

W Nona

[rotund stump]

the snake of eden if anything

[stable pollen]

Oh shit it was confirmed Durandal?

[gray sluice]

More like the smartest ai ever

[rotund stump]

anything ben starr's gonna be durandal

[cursive creek]

speaking of which anyone else know what up with the terminals durandal used to get players attention in the old games, cause I notes some of them are active while other are not with different stuff on them

[gray sluice]

You reckon Nona would flirt with me like the GTA mansion ai if I was a runner

[rotund stump]

oh my god none of you recognize baiting and actual intelligence 😭 😭

pfhorrest please help me

[visual lynx]

hypothesis: when the Jjaro returned to Earth in 1996 to take "more permanent measures" against the W'rk buried under the Yucatan, those measures were moving it to a nearby planet and sealing it more thoroughly.

then power-hungry humans sent a colony ship there with agents aboard to try to harness the W'rk just like the ||sizaN|| sent Muller to do, and that is in the process of ruining everybody's day.

[stable pollen]

She alr do w me

[visual lynx]

what's goin on?

[small robin]

It's crazy how Nona essentially acts like your mom

[gray sluice]

Shii I ain't complaining

[small robin]

"I WAS THERE WHEN YOU WERE MADE"

"I SPUN YOUR BODY TOGETHER"

like

Okay MOM

[visual lynx]

I mean her name means Grandma soo

[cursive creek]

are mom a bug

[gray sluice]

SHUT UP MOM

SILENCE FROM YOU

[stable pollen]

YOURE CUT OFF

[gray sluice]

YOU'RE CUT OFF. FROM TALKING

[lavish breach]

What if theres a w’rkcacnter locked in the marathon ship..or what if its locked in the planet or moons of tau ceti

[small robin]

The humble WSTR shotgun:

[rotund stump]

no honey I don't stop loving you if you're a worm I only stop loving you when you whisper lies in my ears

[small robin]

😭 ❓

[stable pollen]

Yeah ts ain’t helping gang

[visual lynx]

inside the planet, exactly

as the Anomaly

[small robin]

I think i can take it i have aura

[gray sluice]

Were the jjaro still out and about in 1996? I always thought that PiD was just like a message to the future type stuff as wouldn't the jjaro just trap it themselves? Why put humans against a whole AHH wrk

[lavish breach]

The anomaly is energy exposed from the w’rk as its locked in slumber under the planets surface

WAIT

this could be it

[gray sluice]

Yeah we've talked about that before on tau Ceti

[visual lynx]

there's confusion about that. Marathon sources say they disappeared from the galaxy millions of years ago, PiD says they claimed to be already on their way and would arrive in two years in 1994 (so, arriving in 1996)

[visual lynx]

yeah that's the background hypothesis that my hypothesis is building on. people are already speculating that the Anomaly is another buried Wrk.

my addition is: what if it's not another?

[sage lark]

Apparently the Anomaly gives people hallucinations, distorts time. It shows people their loved ones etc.

They had to pull everyone investigating it

it seems like the heads blowing up didnt happen as soon as it emerged

[dusty galleon]

Interesting that both Destiny and Marathon both have an anomaly now

[gray sluice]

Is it possible that PiD is just as "canon" as well as halo etc with traxus on both worlds PiD could be the same as really if it doesn't line up then since bungie can be trusted not to screw up lore then it just sounds like PiD isn't canon

Just same names and similar workings

[rotund stump]

most consider it canon

I'm kinda iffy on it

[stable pollen]

You got the green aura

Flies included

[rotund stump]

prolonged exposure yeah

per the dasari logs

and even then he only went MIA and didn't have his upper half exploded

[visual lynx]

nuMa seems to if anything strengthen the connections between PiD and Marathon, what with the colorful crystal Artifacts in nuMa and the colrorful Crystal artifacts in PiD

[small robin]

those are MOTHS from SEKIGUCHI GENETICS™

[rotund stump]

still wouldn't consider it canon until they properly address it

[gray sluice]

Maybe PiD= different timeline

We always base most of the theorys on PiD and if that's not the same universe then I think 99% of theorys would be wrong about the wrk

And I do think you jumped the gun when you added it to the timeline

[sage lark]

this seems like it could be genuinely it

[visual lynx]

sexi gucci

[tranquil sparrow]

So Charter was an ex-runner...(?)
https://x.com/i/status/2030386516669649297
What do you think about Gantry?

[sage lark]

I think it would make sense its a person

But idk

[delicate condor]

Yeah, I believe it was Oni (CyberAcme) who mentioned after completing the initial Arachne Liason contract that Charter had plenty of info to dig up (unlike Arachne). They were a runner with several criminal charges including the assassination of a traxus higher exec.
Seems kinda specific that thats one of his real life targets as a runner (Assuming the traxus exec wasn't in a shell but an organic body). Seems a bit politically motivated, even if religious, to go after an important Corporate Figure, may align in some way with Midas' anti-establishment agendas

[quartz oyster]

Hello ! Question for a newly marathon interested newbie, what is PiD ?

[heady frigate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathways_into_Darkness

[quartz oyster]

Thanks !

Waw ok, that's OLD

[visual lynx]

so's your mom!

who's probably as old as me

tell her I said hi 😏

[sinful thicket]

Any info shown up about the equanimity yet?

[pliant elm]

I really hope they do not involve the Jarro in the story to be honest.

If you go straight ahead and use the main antagonist/divinity in the story, you're left with nothing else. It's too macro-level on the storyline, it should be there as pillar, but making it a cause of anything it would be just really really bad storytelling.

[umbral whale]

It'd be bad if they were directly involved, sure, but more likely than not their tech is already involved

[rotund stump]

jjaro won't be involved cuz they're dead

[pliant elm]

Yeah, tech's fine, old facilities, etc sure.

[rotund stump]

their tech might tho

[pliant elm]

Just not anything Wrk/Jarro as entities. Where all of a sudden you're fighting some ancient Wrk

[umbral whale]

also hey what if instead of the Wrkn'cacn'ter it was called the Twrkn'cacn'ter and instead of unravelling reality it just got really freaky

[pliant elm]

Even a compiler should be already a scary entity in my view

[umbral whale]

Agreed

I genuinely hope they don't pull the Wrk out cause like

It's just too large scale for a game like this

[pliant elm]

I hated when it Warcraft all of a sudden you were fighting gods and titans.. Like.. bro, I used to be a farmer, and now I'm a cosmic hero.

Also, seeing thr debut trailer cinematic again, after having played the game, is a compeltely new experience.

Seeing the guy exploding from the anomaly and the guy vomiting in the irrigation fields already opens you up the lore now.

[sage lark]

Well it looks like it already is

[umbral whale]

I'm really glad they're not afraid to get weird

But lowkey I want them to get weirder

Gimme strange, unsettling evironments

[pliant elm]

The guy vomiting in the fields is for sure from the fungal parasitation

[sage lark]

High posibility of fungus amongus zombies in cryo or next season in night marsh

[umbral whale]

(more unsettling than an abandoned colony i mean)

[cinder portal]

did we figure out the cyo archive stuff?

[umbral whale]

Wouldn't surprise me

[sage lark]

#breach-protocol

[umbral whale]

Especially given the funged up body in the Data Wall

[heady frigate]

No worries I only got into the series via mandalores recaps I love the lore but the games are a bit obtuse for me 😅

[sage lark]

Also the contagion is stated to mutate living tissue

[pliant elm]

Cool, so, they really went up with the ending of Marathon 2.

[umbral whale]

I do hope we get more hostile fauna than just ticks

[quartz oyster]

SAME, his videos are amazing, so deep !

[sage lark]

And Gaius stated that it supposedly targets human colonization

[pliant elm]

So there's a very big chance that Robert Blake didn't actually made io earth and to TC4 instead.

If he went to earth, then RIP earth.

[sage lark]

It feels like its of Jjaro origin maybe

Or the Spht on board

But then theres the whole cult that worshipped the Wrk and the Compiler

[restive ivy]

Humans on Earth use the bioshells?

[sage lark]

In Sol some were used in mining on Mars etc

There are commercial ones yes

[restive ivy]

But what about being a human being who lives in society?

Do you wear a Bioshell to go shopping?

[sage lark]

As far as I understand it you forego your own body to digitize your mind so you can inhabit these shells

Idk why you would have a need for shopping when youre practically immortal

Unless its to pretend youre human anymore

[pliant elm]

My only hard take in this whole 'lore' is that it makes zero sense why the corporations would be fighting and killing each others in this scenario.

Unified they would be unstoppable against UESC

[restive ivy]

Because that implies that Sekiguchi manufactures bioshells for anyone. But they don't digitize it 100%.

[pliant elm]

This would never happen and it would be a huge flaw.

[sage lark]

They are the pioneers but they arent the only ones that make shells

Julia Nardin stated as much

[sage lark]

Idk is it too dissimilar to regular corporate espionage etc

Big corporations with their own self interests fighting proxy wars using mercenaries

Not unheard of

[pliant elm]

Zero sense. Comparing to wasting resources in fighting and chance of getting nothing vs negotiation the results would be 0 to 80 in risk.

But its just me being picky.

[restive ivy]

Mmm.... I feel like it's something like Matrix. You put yourself in a capsule where your mind digitizes it, but you can return to real life at will or until the bioshell is destroyed.

[pliant elm]

Gotta go with some conflict

[sage lark]

Idk they are using people with disposable bodies

[drifting mulch]

they are already getting every time we exfil. and UESC is blocking any 'lawful' retrieval

[sage lark]

Pretty cheap solution

[drifting mulch]

we are also on the hook for the shells and gear...

[sage lark]

Idk if you can return to your human body idk how that works, when you become a runner you let your body go

[pliant elm]

Yeah but if you want to recoup anything when many 'player' (thats the termonology we use in business) especially not knowing the environment well you would want to have conflict reduced to a possible minimum. The whole risk management is kinda funny, but its ok, its a game.

[restive ivy]

The problem is that it says: you mind go to Liminal Space, why your mind would go to one place if you were already digital?, They should turn you off and on when you bioshell already

[sage lark]

That would mean unifying and fighting against the whole ass government. They stand to get more by playing both sides so thats why its unofficial warfare using mercs

[heady frigate]

He also had a pathways one if you’re curious it should fill you in.

[sage lark]

Well thats not exactly explained if we are being copied to the shell or transferred as a whole

Maybe in some codex

[gray sluice]

Runners can't go back to human

[pliant elm]

I think you are transfered as in the shell's bio it states that when the shell is near death it auto-triggers a disengage signal. I suppose if you were a copy this trigger would not be needed.

So its some sort of duplex connection.

[sage lark]

Yeah it seems like that

[gray sluice]

The brains are like ais

Your servers are kept

You are still a singular program

The brain is kept and this was shown in the intro cinematic

[restive ivy]

The problem is that you already belong to a company, your whole body, because you become indebted to the company since you get a bioshell

[gray sluice]

Like your brain is your own server and the shells are your expression

Cause sci fi organic to virtual bs

[sage lark]

In return youre immortal as long as you pay your debts

[gray sluice]

Let's be honest how many people read the contract. End of the day it's just corps screwing over peps

[wise plank]

I've been wondering this for a while but does there seem to be two different designs for the marathon ship? In cinematics we can see Deimos with a green part of the ship with concentric circles around it and other spires and the surface is intact, but in game we see it as a destroyed moon which is fully open. My first thought is it's before and after the phfor attack but then why does it show it intact in the in death weve just begun cinematic?

[sage lark]

Its because of the Pfhor attack

Oh the cinematic

[restive ivy]

Yup, Why do they need you to go back if you're already digitized?

[wise plank]

It's probably a flashback then but just weird since it's from triages perspective the whole time

[sage lark]

Wait its broken there

[visual lynx]

because otherwise you lose all the memories you accumulated on your outing?

[wise plank]

I'll find the timestamp

[drifting mulch]

some guy is absolutely murdering UESC in Quarantine and a loud voice said to coverge on the runner and extract the WEAVEworms from the shell. im too afraid to check on them and get blasted

[sage lark]

At the start of the cinematic you can see the moon broken

[naive torrent]

There is no reason for that to be the case at all. You could just transmit it all in real time.

[sage lark]

Its a quest for seki

That was Orion speaking

[gray sluice]

Orion low-key such a flawed villain

[sage lark]

Had a goth MIDA baddie, fumbled and now is UESC

[wise plank]

4:47 in the cinematic

[sage lark]

OR

hes a double agent

[restive ivy]

I understand that you physically exist somewhere and they need your living body to be able to be inside a shell. They mention your physical self a lot, like memories, and that they have to make backups of your memories.

[gray sluice]

_philomena must of been somethin special

[wise plank]

Vs 4:38 where it looks different imo

[naive torrent]

Everyone that is a runner has had their mind digitized. They don't have a body anymore.

[sage lark]

Its broken in both if you look closely

Top right corner

[long kernel]

Because they want to extract stuff, can’t do that if the shell they are using to extract stuff is dead on the ground

[wise plank]

Yeah it's just like, in the key art of the marathon logo it doesn't have those circles or spires at all

Maybe it was changed since ghen

[wise plank]

Also shells are expensive

[gray sluice]

The front of the moon is intact the back isnt

[long kernel]

That too

[naive torrent]

Why not? They just Expat the stuff up.

[grizzled scroll]

where do the shells go when teleported back? presumably the shell is created and then sent down, then if successful brought back up

[naive torrent]

Yeah, I guess it's this.

[long kernel]

Presumably the whole matter transference thing is really finnicky

But that’s me spitballing more than anything

[gray sluice]

You can infil anywhere but you can't exfil anywhere

[grizzled scroll]

probably a lot of math involved over such a long distance, if it were a shorter range thing maybe not a problem, but over a vast distance while perserving data as it was on a computer? a lot harder

[gray sluice]

Ts ain't star trek

[grizzled scroll]

well yeah, they have the blessing of time on their side when you infill, they are presumably using a big teleporter to choose where to send you, while you have to requestion a teleporter to come get you

[long kernel]

The loading screen says matter transfer and molecular deconstruction, so I assume it’s like a thing where they beam you up and down but need a transmitter to do so

[visual lynx]

that is a good point. I was going to say that that would only work if you were remote piloting the body and not fully downloaded into it but you could keep a copy in the body and a copy on the server and continuously sync them.

I have often used a thought experiment in philosophy of a future where uploaded minds can be simultaneously downloaded into many different bodies that are all continually synchronized between each other, so that each instance of you feels like it is wholly present in just the one body it's in, but each can at will introspect on what it remembers having done in a different body just a moment ago, and if one body dies, the distributed self across all the other bodies is aware that "one of my bodies just died", but the self as a whole carries on.

[restive ivy]

So Sekiguchi can make you your own server and let you live in a shell? as a human on earth?

[grizzled scroll]

I mean yeah but where is the start and end point? Our shells are sent down from somewhere, and them presumably teleported back up! Surely they have a common area where they are allowed to enjoy their NuCal burger

[grizzled scroll]

presumably? the issue is they just have to send the data of your mind back and forth, but not everyone is worth all the hassle either so...

[sage lark]

Youre no longer human as a runner

[grizzled scroll]

oh wait

yeah not as a human

[gray sluice]

Its more of a drone type thing with the brain as the controller and server transmitting from a satellite into a runner shell

The process is irreversible tho

[grizzled scroll]

it does say disconnect is the issue

so the planet is somehow disrupting this connection

[visual lynx]

that's what I meant by "remote piloting", which does not appear to be the case

[long kernel]

The minds are digitized but I presume there are orbital facilities run by the companies in order to facilitate runner operations, maybe runners have like, a recreational body for when not doing runs

[sage lark]

Well i guess this is a philosophical discussion, what is a human, what is a soul, are we still human without our flesh etc

[visual lynx]

surrender your flesh. we demand it.

[grizzled scroll]

And then they switch into it, and get teleported down on a corps orders yeah that makes sense

[gray sluice]

Well then maybe the brain entangles itself with the shell in someway

[grizzled scroll]

In Marathon lore you are your consciousness and nothing more or less

[naive torrent]

To do what? They aren't human anymore.

[long kernel]

Kinda a core theme, but given what we see of AI and such, it seems even a digital mind can have a soul

[grizzled scroll]

To eat the NuCal burger!! If there is no consumer to consume this system does not work

[naive torrent]

They don't eat food.

[restive ivy]

You pay off your debt, then what? What is the purpose of paying off your debt if you are already a digital entity?

[sage lark]

That I get, but do you have your soul, is soul your consciousness and experiences in life or is it some spiritual thing etc

[visual lynx]

or souls are categorically nonexistent, inapplicable, incoherent

[sage lark]

So they dont turn you off lol

[long kernel]

Digital blackjack and hookers?

[grizzled scroll]

Then why did they advertise it to me? So that I can enjoy.... THE TASTE, not the biological process of processing food

[grizzled scroll]

digital property baby

[long kernel]

It’s also possible that runners can exist in a sort of cyberspace

[drifting mulch]

this is what im saying. we are running to pay debt. but maybe it's like a parallel of what we (me) are doing irl. the internet is our shell edit: that doesn't make sense

[long kernel]

And of course just because they don’t have a meat body doesn’t mean they lack goals or aspirations and such

[grizzled scroll]

this is not an answerable question and entirely up to your interpretation, though according to the trailers, each death you lose more of yourself

[naive torrent]

I don't think you are fully grasping the concept that, as a runner, you are just a collection of code on a server farm in orbit.

[long kernel]

Yeah the advertisements are not for the runners exactly

Runners don’t need burger

However, any humans in orbit do

[grizzled scroll]

Then why even teleport the shell OUT, where does the shell START from? The shell is expensive and no runner would go through the trouble of a run to have to pay for it AGAIN whether you succeed or fail. So I understand recreational time may not be spent in shell, but where do the shells go in between the process of doing a job

[sage lark]

We eat bits and bytes, haha get it

[gray sluice]

Yeah tbf burgers don't transfer in ftl properly though as organics can't

[naive torrent]

Because they are super expensive and high tech hardware. I would assume part of the process we aren't dealing with is the debt built up if you keep losing shells.

[gray sluice]

So I don't get that

[long kernel]

Big ol matter storage tank for later reprinting and matter transfer

That’s my guess

[grizzled scroll]

So I am printed onto the surface, I am then deprinted and put back in the brain tank? I am being printed directly to the surface? There is no middle man?

[restive ivy]

Digitization will be a reversible process, and they're using your body as warranty . Why digitize yourself If when they pay you you can't do anything?, or they just leave you with a bioshell to live in on Earth

[sage lark]

How would you reverse it

[naive torrent]

There is no brain tank. You don't have a bain.

[long kernel]

Maybe organics can’t survive but a burger isn’t exactly alive, much less a NuCal drinkable cheeseburger

[drifting mulch]

that's something to consider as to why someone would even consider being a runner

[grizzled scroll]

Yes I do... it is my digital brain going back into my storage. It is a metaphorical brain tank, you are also not answering my actual question!! The whole cinematics of a shell being printed no longer make sense if the shell is just printed directly onto the surface with no middle man in between going to job and done with job

[sage lark]

This is cyberpunk 101, you signed yourself off to a corporation to get digitized so you are practically immortal but also probably eternally in debt

[grizzled scroll]

debt

[long kernel]

That’s my guess, biocybernetic body not built for combat to just live out your life

[naive torrent]

It's definitely not reversible in the sense that you'd be put back in a normal human body.

[sage lark]

They now use that to exploit you to work for them

[visual lynx]

on where does this "organics can't ftl" nonsense come from

[drifting mulch]

if you pay off the debt by being a runner but don't have a physical body to return to, i can't imagine wanting to take that deal unless conscripted

[restive ivy]

😒 I'm not an ONI to know that, we don't even know how they digitize you

[long kernel]

It’s possible it needs to be printed as it’s too complex to just print without a scan

[grizzled scroll]

I mean yeah the deal is probably "Run and have the chance to get a civil bioshell, or die"

[naive torrent]

Unless you're fine with not returning to a human body.

[grizzled scroll]

I mean, I guess I just assumed the shells were created up there, a brain was selected to run it. The shell got its dossier, grabbed its gear, got teleported down, and then back up. Then I couldnt guess what would happen! But if the thing is that you are just printed directly onto the surface immediately that kind of loses the mystique.

[restive ivy]

you become an exo of destiny hahahaha A super resistant shell

[long kernel]

I mean I think of it as an early stage of Star Trek transporters

[visual lynx]

think of it as: you're about to be homeless. but you can live in this house I own! but you have to spend a very long time paying me an enormous amount of money, or else I kick you out of the house (and still keep the money). but theoretically, eventually, you don't have to pay me to be housed anymore, you just own your own house.

except instead of house, it's body.

(and bodiless means dead)

[quartz oyster]

Oh thanks, I'll watch that ! Unbelievable that the lore is hinted / refer to pieces from games that old

[long kernel]

They beam you down as a particle stream or something where you are reassembled

[grizzled scroll]

In a star trek transporter something had to get into it, in this scenario it is creating me on the surface, and decreating me when I leave, there is no printing of shells by sekiguchi in this scenario! I assumed the shells had to be leaving and going to somewhere each time

[grizzled scroll]

No I understand the teleporting aspect

[drifting mulch]

okay this makes sense. where do i sign up 🫠

[long kernel]

The spawn animation seems similar to the despawn animation

[grizzled scroll]

Well my question is just where are they being teleported to and fro? If Sekiguchi makes all the bodies, why do we need the worms if we have magical mass printer and deprinter... I just assumed they operated from somewhere...

[long kernel]

So I presume you aren’t being “printed” exactly, just beamed down

[grizzled scroll]

Okay yes

But where am I being beamed down from

[long kernel]

Orbital station

[visual lynx]

the cinematic trailer depicts runners being printed somewhere and talking to Oni between missions

[grizzled scroll]

so the shells are created up there right?

[long kernel]

We know the UESC has orbital labs in the present

[long kernel]

Or shipped there, doesn’t really matter, but it’s presumably where they are stored

As for why the worms? My guess is they are important in creating the actual biosynthetic compounds the shells are made from

[grizzled scroll]

okay great! I assumed you guys were saying the orbital station is solely just an orbital computer storage device with orbital body printing attachments

[grizzled scroll]

I concur

[long kernel]

The transporters can move stuff but they can’t make the stuff from raw materials

[sinful thicket]

Are we all forgetting they said the corporations sent the Equanimity (ship) to Tau Ceti?

That's where the shells are being sent from. The UESC either can't find it or don't have clearance to engage.

[restive ivy]

The problem is that your house is a Minecraft server that they created themselves, It's not your house.

[sage lark]

Isnt the Equanimity an UESC ship?

[grizzled scroll]

Excellent! So the shells are there and are being teleported there after a mission then?

[grizzled scroll]

shit

[sinful thicket]

Nope, it's corporate owned

[sage lark]

Interesting

[sinful thicket]

the only UESC presence in the system is automated

[sage lark]

So orion is in Sol?

[sinful thicket]

must be. all the other contacts are

[long kernel]

Yes and no, the ship is the staging ground but it seems to be implied there are other orbital installations including but not limited to UESC orbital lab modules and FTL comms relays

[sage lark]

But then in certain missions you can hear him giving commands to the troops

[sinful thicket]

I wouldn't be surprised if every interstellar vessel constructed to fly out from Sol has to be built from an asteroid or a whole moon

[fallow wagon]

maybe he is sendiing his consciousness only

ftl communication makes this possible

[clever aurora]

Is there a specific channel for the terminals?

[sage lark]

True

[sinful thicket]

the "deimosite" you find is genuinely bits and pieces of the marathon

[heady frigate]

Have they shown that ship sorry? I had assumed that they must have had something nearby to drop the shells on site

[sage lark]

#breach-protocol

[grizzled scroll]

but the only mercs available are the ones in orbit? or can they just send more digital mercs of the FTL comm lines

[drifting mulch]

in Dire Marsh. i just looked at the sky for the first time in the many hours i've played. you can see Marathon in the sky. mind blown lmao. there's also a huge blue planet and small red planet too. or they're moons?

[long kernel]

I mean, the Marathon is over a hundred years old, technology could be leaps and bounds ahead of that

[clever aurora]

Ok I was confused people talkin bs in there haha

[grizzled scroll]

naw but aura tho

[sage lark]

Make it 400 now

[grizzled scroll]

also large scale ships need large scale materials blah blah...

[long kernel]

True

[visual lynx]

the corps didn't send Equanimity, the UESC did

[long kernel]

The cryst orbiters are old old tech is all I’m saying

[fallow wagon]

I assume the biggest reason for using a moon to build the marathon is it was a colony ship meant to support jumpstarting civilization on a new planet

big mission

big ship

[grizzled scroll]

UESC Marathon is their ship tho

[sinful thicket]

oh hm

[grizzled scroll]

they cant all be their ships

they cant send all the ships

the corp had to send a ship

[sinful thicket]

wait so are the shells being sent via FTL? that's insane

[grizzled scroll]

the mercs are there because the corps want them there

[long kernel]

Marathon went MIA centuries ago though

[grizzled scroll]

presumably a bio human wouldnt survive the trip

[sinful thicket]

although it wouldn't explain that small section where Oni can't contact earth

[long kernel]

Neither the UESC nor anyone else has full control over the marathon

[grizzled scroll]

my point was that the UESC wouldnt allow the mercs aboard a ship they owned, so if they had a ship there why send another

[sinful thicket]

if oni can't call home then why can you call back and forth?

[long kernel]

That’s what this whole corporate war is about

[fallow wagon]

No the minds are. The shells are printed on site and use short range teleporation I believe

[long kernel]

Second ship to get the first one? Idk

[grizzled scroll]

Oni can call home, they state the comms of UESC are FTL, but maybe not the travel? idk

[visual lynx]

yes, but it's not the Equanimity

Equanimity is a subluminal UESC ship dispatched in 2795 and scheduled to arrive in 2893.

in 2888 the corps found out about that and dispatched a mission expected to catch up or maybe even beat Equanimity to Tau Ceti, 12ly away, 5y later, implying the development of FTL tech between 2795 and 2888

[long kernel]

I’m throwing ideas out like everyone else

[grizzled scroll]

seems like a conflict of interest to send your enemies to you

[grizzled scroll]

oh, we on a differen ship then, my bad twin

[long kernel]

The Marathon is derelict though

[grizzled scroll]

yes i believe so

[long kernel]

The UESC had no contact with it, that’s the whole purpose of the second wave of colonization of tau ceti

Well

[grizzled scroll]

can the corps send more merc brains over the line though? I assume they can right?

[long kernel]

One of the reasons

[grizzled scroll]

if they have FTL comms the mercs are just raw data until they have a body

[long kernel]

Technically it’s to figure out what happened the first time and do better

[long kernel]

Presumably

They are treating runners as expendable so I’d presume so

[grizzled scroll]

nice!

[sinful thicket]

if etherstep can truly cross interstellar distances that's crazy for humanity. what'd stop them from repopulating new cascadia in days?

[grizzled scroll]

so the corp sent a ship out to handle the operation of mercs and their shells, the shells are presumably either there, or printed there. Then a merc is given a body, allowed to collect their stuff, teleported down, and teleported back up if successful. This is the gameplay loop I assume.

[sinful thicket]

provided the contagion is dealt with and whatever is in the atmosphere that breaks down runner shells is also dealt with

[grizzled scroll]

humans presumably cant make the trip, biological ones I assume?

that or they do

and the Tau Ceti case is a unique one

[sinful thicket]

shells are biosynthetic, but if you send a human mind with it what's the difference?

[grizzled scroll]

yeah, they send the minds, print the bodies, then put the minds in the body

just a guess*

[long kernel]

Yeah

Comms are FTL

Transport of actual material is not

Hence why Orion seems rather concerned about overextension of ground forces

[drifting mulch]

how much mass does a consciousness have??

[long kernel]

I would presume the Corps and UESC are both salvaging material from the planet and the marathon in order to actually make new stuff

[grizzled scroll]

not a lot, its running a microchip with the mass of your pinky nail

[restive ivy]

They don't get pregnant hahaha

[long kernel]

But you can only extract material from such a hostile environment so fast

[grizzled scroll]

I would assume the corps are actually running it the cheapest with bioshells being able to print them with the worms, while orion has to have actual assembly lines

[small robin]

Yeah a ship is sent that contains digital brain constructs (unknown specific affiliation)

That ship prints shells, uploads our minds into the shells, then sends them down to Tau Ceti via translocation

[drifting mulch]

for some reason putting a tangible size to it is too much for me lol

[grizzled scroll]

YES THANK GOD THATS THE COOL OPTION

[long kernel]

Wait are the UESC bots just government sponsored runners in really bare bones shells?

[small robin]

No

[grizzled scroll]

We have quantum computers today! The amount of data that can be stored in such small things is mind boggling, for them? Must be insane

[small robin]

They are linked AI constructs

[visual lynx]

we see them being printed in the cinematic trailer

[small robin]

Essentially drones all linked by a combat subnet

[long kernel]

Ok makes sense

[small robin]

Its why we constantly shit on them

[grizzled scroll]

Yeah but it was a point of contention for a moment there, I like the printing option myself

[long kernel]

The “recruit” title and the way Orion talked about them had me confused

[lavish palm]

they are mass produced security drones, they are autonomous, i wonder if they already exist on tau ceti

[small robin]

human mind linked to technology >>>> pure technology

[lavish palm]

read codex

[long kernel]

Yeah I need to sit down and properly dig through it

There is a lot though

[grizzled scroll]

more like, computer spliting itself between twenty five bodies and one shitter that has a TON of debt to pay off

[restive ivy]

They arrive and leave quickly; I believe that the UESC has perimeter defenses all over the world. They are quick assaults.

[grizzled scroll]

yeah, any longer and the full standing force might arrive

[small robin]

The UESC does NOT want that to happen. The UESC has re-established contact (read. a token presence) and basically declared the entire planet off-limits.

As Tau Ceti is 15 light-years from Sol, they cannot REALLY enforce quarantine, though legally they can. To exploit this, corps (Sekgen, Traxus, CyAc) use YOU 🫵 to go down to the surface and do what they legally cannot.

[sage lark]

I think its because of the connection on tau ceti not that they would get swarmed

[restive ivy]

And it also says that the shells don't have longer life time, they degrade quickly, and planetary conditions can complicate mind transfer if it's prolonged.

[grizzled scroll]

So the Corps are allowed to form a large standing force of extralegal runners for as long as they do not themself make an official action

[sage lark]

Yes

[small robin]

Yes, Traxus has an extralegal mercenary force specifically to do its bidding, and deployed it to Tau Ceti.

[grizzled scroll]

the shells degrade quickly? is there anywhere I can read that? I wanna see if theres a firmer experation date for them

I'm curious if its like a day or something

[lavish palm]

pretty sure something is killing sentient life on tau ceti

HOLY SHIT IS THAT WHAT WIPE WILL BE?

but thats the reason why theres runner specifically, organic brain heads explode

[small robin]

The UESC unironically has good reasons to not want people on Tau Ceti. The corps, however, also have strong agendas to push.

Traxus has direct beef with the UESC and uses you to kill UESC forces as a 'fuck you' message at one point.

[gray nacelle]

does anyone know why the heat cascades happen in outpost, like is the uesc trying to screw over runners or somethings

[small robin]

That's just what happens there

[restive ivy]

I read it when I got an achievement about shells, maybe not extracting. I don't know exactly.

[lavish palm]

not saying this isnt the case, but i think itd be impossible for humans to live on tau ceti after whatever killed them initially

[restive ivy]

I'm going to look for it

[lavish palm]

malfunctioning terraforming/weather seeding

[small robin]

Its environmental

[gray nacelle]

okay yea that makes sense

[lavish palm]

UESC was trying to control the weather/whoever wad on poneheel

[restive ivy]

And... fly boxes and trucks

[grizzled scroll]

thank you kindly

[lavish palm]

?

[restive ivy]

But... I don't like the people sponsored by Arachne. Nah, I'm kidding

[lavish palm]

we all are

[grizzled scroll]

Its just business ya seki, dont make a marathon out of a sprint

[small robin]

I like the way the UESC look though

I wish we had a model viewer

[grizzled scroll]

play rook and you can look at em all ya like

[restive ivy]

That's why I'm Sekiguchi, I'm here to ask if you still have your body because otherwise it would be the worst job ever. You literally give your body and soul to a company that gives you nothing

[small robin]

I was seki, but ONI is very kind

[grizzled scroll]

Who says I'm supposed to be here? How do you know Arachne didn't hijack one of your printings and sneak me in?

[restive ivy]

All because a runner won the lottery and created a cult.

[rapid sentinel]

has anyone made a "tour" video of all the locations on the maps? or maybe a 3D map?

[grizzled scroll]

all because he was a one hit runner, killed a big wig exec, and then proclaimed violence to be the closest thing to godliness (because it is!)

[restive ivy]

I like him too, even so we're all... Cyberacme, as his phrase says

[restive ivy]

Once you're immortal, it's more fun to be part of a cult, just ask the Guardians of Destiny hahaha

ask Lord Shaxx haha

[grizzled scroll]

I think once you lose your identity due to mass reprinting it gets easier to be someone dominated by an unchanging belief. If violence makes you feel human why bother trying to be anything else?

[grizzled scroll]

I got into this game because of a Lord Shaxx tiktok account making fire ass edits

I wonder if bungie would be mad at me if I made a couple animations about marathon. I haven’t touched a 3D software in ages but I did do a few storyboards for fun

[sage lark]

Then they offer to buy bioagent samples to study and research

[restive ivy]

The worst job in the galaxy, worst worst in debt, belong to a literal company And on top of that, you're more biodegradable than your human body.

[grizzled scroll]

Hey, at least murder is now no longer a high carbon emission sport

[restive ivy]

You're biodegradable like a plastic bag from 2025 living in 2900

[grizzled scroll]

you cant get PFAS in your system if you are the PFAS

[restive ivy]

There is no one left alive to celebrate in Tau Ceti

[visual lynx]

do you ever feel
like a plastic bag
on Tau Ceti IV
isn't it a drag

[restive ivy]

The UESC robots will not have microplastics

[grizzled scroll]

not if I have something to say about it, and I do!

[gray sluice]

The colony buildings still contain functional lab equipment. Retrieve it, and your Onboard Navigational Intelligence can send sample analysis directly to me.

I concede Traxus's improvements to FTL infrastructure, but data still travels better than tissue.

[visual lynx]

I figure that that line has to do with the fact that FTL transportation still takes years, while FTL communication seems effectively instantaneous.

[rapid sentinel]

your balls will be harvested for the microplastics by nucalorific

[grizzled scroll]

quantum computing stuff

[gray sluice]

Runners matter transfer is instantaneous?

[grizzled scroll]

what makes you assume this?

the shells are made in house in orbit

[visual lynx]

that's from orbit to planet, not interstellar

[rapid sentinel]

it takes 30 seconds obv coz you only get to spectacte for 30seconds ez

[gray sluice]

So what FTL is impacted by the length of the travel?

[grizzled scroll]

physical mass, getting the ship from point A to point B

[visual lynx]

yes, I think so

in the original game the primary comms array went offline immediately in the initial EMP attack that was the first thing the Pfhor did. that's why we had to activate the second comms array in G4 Sunbathing to send Leela's message.

the new game implies that that primary comms array was FTL, which could easily be compatible because it seems like the jump pad tech they had is the same tech responsible for FTL, just less advanced: it has a limited range and capacity and needs pre-paired devices at either end. in M1 we get an upgrade from the S'pht that allows the Marathon jump pads to send and receive at longer range without a paired devices, allowing us to reach the Pfhor ship. we know the Pfhor ship itself can jump human-sized things from orbit to planet (which the Marathon can't seem to do, because we use a shuttle to get back and forth). the Pfhor ship itself arriving FTL is described as exhibiting the same "Tuncer Mirage Effect" that the SO recognized from jump pads, and the ship traveling through space is described as "jumping" or "folding", with the Jjaro said to be able to "fold" whole moons and planets between stars.

so it seems very plausible that humans in the 2400s could maybe jump single particles at a time between stars, with dedicated devices at both ends, and that the primary comms array on the Marathon used that technology, but was taken out immediately in the Pfhor attack.

[grizzled scroll]

the ship getting to Tau Ceti is what takes long

[small robin]

tru

[visual lynx]

basically I think the same quality of "folding" tech can jump small things large distances or large things small distances, so the same tech that can do single particle communication interstellar can do human-size transportation around a ship. better tech can do a whole ship a good chunk of the distance between stars, still taking many such jumps to get from one end to the other but that still beats the slow road. really good tech can do whole planets directly between stars.

[restive ivy]

In the cinematic suggests that communication between the ship and the command center on Mars is instantaneous.

[slender herald]

Have there been any interesting durandal appareances? I havent seen much on marathon after the art fiasco so I'm just now picking it back up again.

[pliant elm]

I would love if he didn't appear anymore as he seemed to have much bigger plans at the end of M2. He seems to be done and respise humans.

[hidden heath]

Did bungie drop the term Biomata or is it somewhere in the lore as the offical term for Shells?

[pliant elm]

I had the impression that he just did us one last favor and went on to do his thing. That's how he should have ended to be honest.

Durandal was kinda of Agent Smith in the Matrix when he fused with the Oracle after merging with Toth.

Funny enough, they both wanted to freed. Lol

Its funny though that you could see that both Greg and th Watchowski's read Neuromancer

[grizzled scroll]

The more sci fi you see the more you realize it’s neuromancer all the way down

[pliant elm]

Yeah ahah, its all the classics really

[small robin]

its like 40k writers and Dune

[pliant elm]

The Mightiest Machine is also a super good book

Its from the same guy who wrote The Thing

[grizzled scroll]

Funnily enough in 40k the answer to any and all problems is the one thing they refuse…. an AI!

[pliant elm]

Funny how both Dune and Marathon faded to obscurity until now. What's next, Ubisoft revives Albion?

[grizzled scroll]

ubisoft and bungie are both fighting to stay alive, bungie did good with marathon at least

[pliant elm]

My only concern with this mode for Marathon is that I think they will really struggle with the financing down the line sadly.

We had huge development now and sales from the game orders, but I do not see how they will finance another development this size to have this much content again

[small robin]

Does Tarkov?

[pliant elm]

Not sure what is the model for Tarkov

[sage lark]

Tarkov had like 4 or 5 editions that gave you a bigger headstart and promises of dlcs

so they solved it that way

[grizzled scroll]

ehh, if they turn a profit, Sony will let Bungie do more, if they do not, then they wont

[pliant elm]

I'm buying thr battle pass of this every season almost like subscription based

To see if they maintain continuous development and not just a spike down

I couldnt care less about the rewards compared to the lore

[sage lark]

yeah I hope we get as much as possible, obviously want the game to succeed

the lore is so good

and I wanna know how they expand on it

[pliant elm]

Im curious though simon, you're from CZ?

[sage lark]

SK

[pliant elm]

dobry

[sage lark]

dobry

[small robin]

Bro is from South Korea 🥀

[sage lark]

my bad SVK

[small robin]

Bro is from South VKorea 🥀

[balmy wing]

sometimes he talks to you instead of ONI at the start of rounds, and recently there are classic style terminals on the maps (part of the cryo archive unlocking) which play dialogue from him

[pale crane]

Cross-post :

LEGIT QUESTION :

Common response to "why can't we be friends in game" is "we are all enemies"

Well, why? We are not officially connected to any organization. We don't actually die and are "up in a ship in orbit" waiting to get beamed down.

Half the time, we are killing each other while doing the same missions for the same people. Why would Traxus want everyone working for them killing themselves at Maintenance in Dire Marsh getting rods?

Especially if the REDACTEDS come, we literally have 0% reason to not team up and 100% reason TO team up.

And as far as I know, there aren't any missions where 1 Faction specifically attacks another...

[ornate river]

My theory is the shells distort the mind making you a shell of who you really are, still you but slightly brainwashed for compliance, you can blame shegaguchi genetics for this

[small robin]

Why, why not? Because we're all looking for the same gear.

And the most dangerous thing to a runner is another runner.

[pliant elm]

Yeah its mini quirks away from reality of execution but what can you do.. just a fantasy story

[small robin]

So why not thin the competition and threat?

[ornate river]

this is why the runners are always forgetting things in the cinematic, not knowing who they are from their mental and physical trauma to their nueron system

[small robin]

I don't kill players because I like pvp, its because they are the biggest threat, dangerous and unpredictable.

[ornate river]

I suppose killing anything that moves is effective for compliance

Including uesc unit's

(and the organic ones we will see in the future)

[small robin]

I kill everything I can get away with.

[ornate river]

same

[small robin]

Its just safer

[ornate river]

I was talking from a lore perspective but same haha, got to level arachne somehow

[floral vector]

is there an explanation why the builders of the UESC Marathon decided to make the ship part of a moon?

[balmy wing]

we all want the same thing— gear and money. why share when i can take it from you?

[ornate river]

The uesc bought and carved out demos the moon and transformed it into the marathon unit, propobly just more effective for technical reason, it's a planet like body that works as a station

Moving planet

[pliant elm]

Yes, to protect Marathon from cosmic radiation

[ornate river]

Ahh good to know

[small robin]

Also I feel like Marathon has a lot of players that pivot hard from the Arc stance of general peacefulness

[floral vector]

personal choice is the simple reason, I think. it's as simple as "I just want what you gathered for me".

[ornate river]

The lore really is great, other companies would have much more plotholes by now

I wonder who are the wrighters

[eternal knoll]

the traxus executive chatlogs did offer a lil insight into this. they seemed indifferent to who got the jobs done: "if one crew doesn't get it done, the next will. every time"

other than that yea it's what muad'dib apologist said

professional competition

[ornate river]

You said why can't we just all team up and and resist, that's what mida is for no?

[eternal knoll]

would be somethin if they had a contract to extract with a rival runner

[deep solar]

Mida doesn’t trust runners other than as a force of chaos to give the UESC a black eye. They purposely keep runners at arms length

[mellow stump]

MIDA is not your friend

[karmic wasp]

No one trust Mida tbh

Remember what they did on mars

Surely wiping out half of the population isn't that bad*

Guys let's kill anyone related to the UEG!!

[floral vector]

so, it's confirmed that the Ozymandias poem reciting voice from the short film is Durandal?

[karmic wasp]

Yes

Is him

[floral vector]

voiced by Ben Starr.

[karmic wasp]

I wish Durandal voice was abit more cheesy

[mellow stump]

I thought it was 10%

[pliant elm]

Durandal should have no voice.

[floral vector]

I kinda get the feeling that he almost became a god.

[deep solar]

Tonight when I get off work I want to try and look for those terminals where you can hear Durandal

[balmy wing]

it was only 10%

[karmic wasp]

I mean mjolnir became one

[karmic wasp]

Still quite alot-

[floral vector]

because in this game he kinda gives off omnipresent vibes if you get what I mean. xD

[deep solar]

I pictured more Ralph Ineson as Durandal honestly

[balmy wing]

you win some you lose some, they were clearly all uesc agitators

[floral vector]

I love how Bungie thought about this.

[karmic wasp]

His ass in the original game was goofy as shit
Specially the first game

"Here's the bad news, you have been kidnapped"

WHAT DO YOU MEAN DURANDAL

[deep solar]

10% were probably UESC contractors anyway, complicit

[karmic wasp]

Naw most of them aren't even uesc related

[floral vector]

you mean the "space ship for sale" thing? :D

[karmic wasp]

Mida just kill random people

[floral vector]

that is funny.

[karmic wasp]

"We know you are not loyal to the UEG but we'll still gonna kill you because, why not?"

[karmic wasp]

Colony ship for sale cheap ?

[balmy wing]

one of his first terminals in M1 is him singing a fucking song about himself lmaooooo

[karmic wasp]

Give me an D

Give me an U

GIVE ME AN R

Is funny

[balmy wing]

“<<Since you have nothing better to do than hang out here with me, listen to a tune that I've been working on>>
(Sung to the tune of Whirling Death Spike's "Big Blue Orchids,
and Wild Blueberries")

Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
He ain't no slouch, pal.

He'll make you smile,
Or cry,
Like Leela did baby:
Airlock love,
Big blue orchids,
Martian skies,
And wild Blueberries.

Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
He ain't no slouch, pal.

Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
He'll make you ouch, Hal.

He's got real guile,
Why Lady,
Did you have it daily?
Airlock Love,
No oxygen,
Suffocation.

Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
Dur-dur-dur-dur-an-dal.
He ain't no slouch, pal.

(Repeat Chorus 11 Times, changing key with each chorus)

Get lost, before I get annoyed and teleport you out into
space!

Durandal”

[floral vector]

yeah, that one. I haven't played the original trilogy yet but I watched a bit about the lore.

[karmic wasp]

Can't forget about the terminals on "the rose"

Bro crashout on Leela

[karmic wasp]

The original trilogy doesn't aged that well tbh

Like map design

Is a mad man house

[deep solar]

Most of the maps are horrible mazes tbh

[karmic wasp]

Marathon 1 run
Soo the backrooms could even crawl

[balmy wing]

i love the original games but they feel very sisyphean

[karmic wasp]

I prefer get stuck in the backrooms than "colony ship for sale cheap"

[pliant elm]

Marathon 2 is quite enjoyable tbh. Some maps are bit dates, but still surprisngly fresh experience, you could see how revolutionary that was at the time

[balmy wing]

playing colony ship for sale cheap really gets me to understand will navidson’s mindset in house of leaves

[karmic wasp]

Is the most casual

[balmy wing]

yeah M2 has probably aged the best overall

[karmic wasp]

You must remember back then there's no crosshair in the og marathon

[pliant elm]

I think its the ones with the best maps tbh, I found infinity very claustrophobic

[karmic wasp]

Hitting the switches are Soo annoying

😭

To be fair

[pliant elm]

Nuke and Pave map was actually spectacular, even for today

[karmic wasp]

Aleph one allowed you to campaign coop

Soo Is not that bad anymore

[balmy wing]

yeah nuke and pave fucking rips it’s so good

[karmic wasp]

Aye mak sicur is my favourite marathon level

[floral vector]

I also like the OST(s) quite much.

[wispy oak]

yo just woke up, wanted to tap in to see how we stabilized the cameras on the arhive website. Did it end up being a time sync thing or was it interaction patterns with the terminals

[floral vector]

90s sci-fi games were something. :pepejam:

[pliant elm]

Ahaha

Thats funny because its famous Kirkpatrick's family slogans in ireland

[karmic wasp]

Do you guys have any theory for the magnum still keeping the same name

While others guns have their name changed

[balmy wing]

if it ain’t broke don’t fix it is my guess

[pliant elm]

I guess Greg was close to its roots

[karmic wasp]

Magnum MC
Is just Stand for mega class lmao

[karmic wasp]

Besides the part the gun function like a p90 now

[balmy wing]

yeah don’t even ask me how that shit is supposed to work lmao but it does look dope

[deep solar]

Magnum mega cool 😎

[karmic wasp]

Also why is the redesign

Have a second trigger

😭

Is that supposed to be the mag release?

[karmic wasp]

Pure shit against pfhor trooper

[deep solar]

I like to think it’s the switch for a pop out weapon light

[karmic wasp]

The gun have no flashlight

[pliant elm]

The fact tha you cannot dual wield x2 pistols is this game is an insult

[karmic wasp]

The urgency to duel wield the temu version of the wste

can't because the wstr is not a lever action

I guess if it was similar to the OG

It would be overkill

[pliant elm]

Was fun to dual wield in classic pvp

[karmic wasp]

Me when

No spnkr

In my marathon game

[proven copper]

We can hope for this to be fixed in season 2 🙏

[karmic wasp]

It would be a gold mod

I think

Is possible

[pliant elm]

Ahahah oh yeah!! Where's the temu rocket launcher

[karmic wasp]

Me when they named the energy pistol the v11 punch instead of v11 Zeus

GRAHHHHH

[balmy wing]

they should add a classic fusion pistol skin ngl

or just classic skins for all the old guns

[eternal knoll]

the punch totally looks designed to eventually accept a classic fusion pistol skin

similar with magnum...

[slender wren]

What video would yall say is the current best on the lore of the game?

[eternal knoll]

wonder if we'll get a UBGL

[karmic wasp]

Should have been called the Zeus instead

Yeah is very similar to the marathon 2 design

• the small scope

[hearty stone]

The DAC is your weapon against their walls. Stolen from the corporate puppets. Repurposed for revolution. This card breaks chains. Opens doors. Marks your every act of defiance. Upgrade it through action. Surrender it and surrender yourself. Share it and be forgotten. The strongest among you will be rewarded. The system trembles when many become one. what is this

?????

[jovial whale]

Played for the first time last night and oh man - I just had to fire up Marathon 1 and play thru the first few terminals, I already love how they are connecting the lore in this new game to the original titles

[karmic wasp]

Marathon stuff*

[karmic wasp]

Marathon 1 have very atmospheric music

I wish they remix some for the new one

[jovial whale]

Yah - the Macintosh I played on in the 90s actually had problems playing the music files on Marathon 1 - so for me it was a very very quiet game

(but now I play w/ music)

[karmic wasp]

You are using a very old Mac model I assume

Because back the I own a Mac 2

Is Soo shit that I can't even play the music

[jovial whale]

So last night I just fired up the Aleph One project; makes it easy to play on modern hardware

[karmic wasp]

They did mention about it in the manual btw

[jovial whale]

but I do have my old Performa Mac which somehow still boots - lol - and that does have my Marathon 1 2 and Infinity installs still on it

[eternal knoll]

not quite what yr askin for but a video that needs more love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FHzZeCQoQQ

[karmic wasp]

Is not the same soundfont

But good job

[silk torrent]

I recommend Mandalores reviews of all marathon games all myth games and path of darkness. Not really lore videos but he does make a good effort to explain the lore of each game and each of these games are losely connected

[karmic wasp]

Marathon.Bungie.Org

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-bungie-bungie-marathon-bungie-halo-marathon-gif-4617823700164269903

During marathon 1 and 2
Bungie did posted something like a Arg to fix the first game lore

Is on there too btw

Jake the alright also mentioned about it

[mild thistle]

It'd be really fun to see a dead battleroid in the archive later in the month

[still matrix]

Not a bad imprint to have. I imagine something that barely conveys effort, soft yet intelligently spoken, like Dr. Manhattan.

Not all of the time.

[pliant mortar]

I'll be betraying my age here, but a big chunk of my childhood was playing Marathon, Marathon 2 and Marathon Infinity on Power Macs back in the day. We would do LAN parties and build crazy maps in Forge (talk about ground breaking map creation technology) for days and days.

The continuation they have in this game... playing off of the original series, is absolutely awesome. They capture the vibe too. I know people can run the old Marathon games now and they may feel cheesy with the graphics, but back in the early/mid 90's, those games definitely had a sci-fi/horror vibe. And they've done a fantastic job recapturing that.

The second the terminals went live in-game, with the same exact interaction sound, brought back memories from 30 years ago. Great stuff. And I highly recommend catching up on the lore, because it makes the entire Marathon experience 100x better. Good luck out there!

[zealous harness]

hell yeah, always love to see new and old school gamers brought together under one roof

[pliant socket]

My family didn't own a Mac back in the day, so didn't play it until later. I still love those classic shooters though, grew up with DOOM myself. They had a great return with that series too, love to see it.

[gray sluice]

Nah Durandal has more emotion than Dr Manhattan. You're comparing quite literal opposites 😭 durandals arc is him becoming more emotional and Dr Manhattan's is about his decent into apathy

Also Dr Manhattan isn't that intelligent he's just done giving a shit about humans

[still matrix]

I'm not comparing anything.

Only that when I first read the terminal text I imagine a voice that is quietly sinister.

With ranges that drift into Brad Dourif territory.

With respect to the nerdier age of 90s game design.

[surreal jackal]

Crazy thing to say about a nuclear physicist given virtual omnipotence/omniscience

[still matrix]

I know he sounds rather dark and menacing.

Dr Manhattan speaks so softly its almost a whisper, probably he finds the notion of human communication to be beneath him, yet necessary. So it's something he mimics, the tongue and all. After all, Durandal can only communicate you through terminal messages. Eventually, synthesizing speech.

[gray sluice]

Literally a line he said " I am not omnipotent"

Ain't no way😭

[modern ember]

i wonder if we are the people frozen in cryo from the first marathon or a cloned soma version.

Something is going on with that short film where one of the runners seems to remember themusic maybe remmebering other memoies because they are all stored in those big databases togather.

[gray sluice]

Databases don't leak files on to each other

[cedar coyote]

synapse cube: "essential for intergrating the electrical signals within a cyborg shell
sources: CRYO ARCHIVE, locked rooms(pristige)

ok so what did they mean by CYBORG SHELL particularly????

[ruby storm]

so lorewise, people who choose to become runners physically cannot die?

[gray sluice]

I mean it's a bit on the nose😭

[ruby storm]

or is their physical body and their shell separate?

[gray sluice]

Yeah pretty much

[gray sluice]

We don't know what they do with the brain and body but the procedure is irreversible

[ruby storm]

their brain ejects from the shell like a switch game card

[cedar coyote]

my marathon brain is screaming "BATTLEROID! BATTLEROID! CYBORG BATTLEROID!!!!" but we still have too little info

[ruby storm]

Do shells have to look so visually striking?

Like, if say a runner wanted to have a shell that looks perfectly human
would that be possible?

[gray sluice]

Shi might be the teen titan then

[cedar coyote]

that is a rather good question

id like to think they CAN given seki's intro when you first link up with them

that and mida too

[gray sluice]

Why do you look like a metal tictac? Sir this is Balenciaga

[ruby storm]

Sir, just because you have a choice on shell aesthetics doesn't mean you have to look like Kanye West

"BUT I HAVE TO"

[gray sluice]

He drank the Kanye water

[ruby storm]

Tau Ceti IV's kanye water

is that why the colony went silent

[gray sluice]

Shi was laced

[ruby storm]

they were zonked out of their minds on the ye juice

[gray sluice]

Tau Ceti mad geeked bruh

[ruby storm]

"Bro, do you like... wanna send a transmission or something...?"

"nah dude,, chill in the vibe maaaaaan"

[gray sluice]

Bro the pfhor just attacked should we send a party back to earth to tell them with some pfhor bodies to examine? Nah duuudee they just be doing they thing bruh let em be

[ruby storm]

make peace with tau ceti's ye juice

galactic peace achieved

[gray sluice]

The ye juice freed the s'phit

[ruby storm]

panacea kit, approved by kanye west

[still matrix]

Morpheus (Deus Ex) is a good place to visit for a dialogue with an "AI" with a cool voice.

[gray sluice]

The ye concert cracked the planet open and that's why we have the anomaly on some astroworld type shi

[still matrix]

Are you programmed to invent riddles?

[gray sluice]

Riddle me this batman

What's long

Hard

Etc

[ruby storm]

if the runner shell tech hasn't been used to make popstars be able to do galactic concerts I'd be surprised

come on bungie

this is stellar material you have

[gray sluice]

Nah for the audience they gotta learn from what happened at astro

Wouldn't trust ye with a whole planet bruh😭

[ruby storm]

we'd trust him with a star system
what could go wrong

[modern ember]

i think seperate and shell is a copy made by corperations

[sage lark]

i said this before but if this is an "its all a dream" or "it was just a simulation" Im fistfighting my monitors

[gray sluice]

Start a new political party

And he would 100% do this

And WE would ALL join him

[ruby storm]

this was aaaaall an extended destiny plot

[gray sluice]

Marton will return in doomsday

[ruby storm]

Guardian, time to wake up!

The Cabal are invading Mars!

[gray sluice]

Is there a lore reason why they look like giant hamsters?

[modern ember]

your gonna have a hard time waking up from the matrix one day

[dusk saffron]

I think I know the name of the next Runner.

[toxic wyvern]

whether we wanted it or not...

[sage lark]

In the grim and dark future of the 41st Millenium there is only war....hamsters

[sage lark]

I dont have an issue with the concept but I feel like its a copout of writing something interesting instead

[gray sluice]

John warhamster when he beats John Horus hamstery and gets all 40k hamsters

[oak night]

For the EmperHamster

[sage lark]

dear god 40000 hamsters

[dusk saffron]

The next Runners name is ST4G. But I cant prove my work in discord because I can't post images

[gray sluice]

#🎨marathon-community-art-chat

[sage lark]

wasnt it revealed to be sentinel

[oak night]

Isn't it the one runner we can see in the trailer but isn't in the pool of character?

[sage lark]

thats an UESC runner

[gray sluice]

I had to make a deal... With Megatron

Fuck now it's time for the half yearly rewatch of the transformers trilogy

[surreal jackal]

A humble king

Also why I said virtually because, despite what he may say, he is god in the watchmen books

[tribal garden]

I want to watch the whole transformers trilogy at some point.

The first was just dumb fun. And I imagine it's more of that

A good watch though is all the Pacific Rim movies... On a similar thread.

Kaiju movies ftw

[serene ether]

When our runner shell is talking/doing its automated quips based on situation, is it our consciousness controlling it, or is it the personality matrix taking over?

[tribal garden]

I think that's the ai that is hanging out with our consciousness based on which faction we are running for

[scenic iron]

I never played the Marathon games before and why was the Marathon made inside a Mars' moon?!?

[deep solar]

It’s like both it’s like your mind is melding with the Shells AI so you don’t completely lose it being in a body that’s not yours

[pliant elm]

It was a reccomendation from Doomguy after the events of Doom 95.

[blazing notch]

Any updates on the ARG? I noticed the cameras with progress bars are showing full videos now

[pliant socket]

We wait

Patiently in the shadows

[blazing notch]

Somewhere in the heavens, perhaps?

[inland flare]

Lore?

[gray sluice]

I literally own the absolute of watchmen, doomsday clock and the before watchmen omnibus. Trust me I know he said that