#šŸ“šmarathon-lore-discussion

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ocean oracle
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and can be deleted just as easily if you're found

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would be really funny if we the players are these runner's brain and our actual lives are just a simulation for the runners to keep them from going insane while they're not deployed in a shell

still matrix
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I closed my eyes recently, entered a dream within seconds it felt, of a planet sized meteor casually falling towards Earth in the distance, with a view of it from my backyard. Not the first one I've had like this, but this was different in many ways. One difference is the shockwave hit a second after impact. Sent me soaring for about half a second then I woke up.

rotund stump
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well our minds are digitized yeah

still matrix
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I was like only asleep for a minute.

rotund stump
shrewd maple
still matrix
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Isn't that moment when you wake up from suffering some mortal fate in a dream curious

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Worry isn't the word I would use.

shrewd maple
shrewd maple
rotund stump
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I just don't think it's worth spiking my cortisol about honestly

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like if it's coming and we can't stop it then I'll ball regardless

still matrix
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Then it dawns on me how comforting thoughts of an afterlife is.

rotund stump
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maybe complain about how bad of a timing it might be

shrewd maple
still matrix
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Whatever it is. It's all just from a human perspective.

rotund stump
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might be a pretty sight honestly, you ever seen a planet-wide fireball before?

balmy wing
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no but it would probably go hard

shrewd maple
still matrix
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I only have these thoughts when I'm sleep deprived.

shrewd maple
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Just things to wonder about

still matrix
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Well, mostly.

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Whether out of boredom or such.

shrewd maple
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I'm a sucker in general for space related things, which is likely why i like the aesthetic / lore of the game

still matrix
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I think my brain finds it gets entertainment out of it.

zinc dagger
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Donā€™t runners have to pay for their shells though? or is it a give us your brain for free immortal shell situation ?

shrewd maple
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@still matrix Imagine your dream was a snippet of a version of you from another universe experience a world ending event

still matrix
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Yeah I've played with that thought.

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Maybe that version is merging with me.

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And when I go, I'll merge with another me.

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From a dream.

fallow forge
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Anything new with the lore. I havent been updated since the terminals activated

shrewd maple
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If you think about the "time" before you were born and how existence simply existed before you, it is weird because it feels familiar. I wonder how it would feel to a human that is not aware about history at all.

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Perhaps it's more animalistic

sage lark
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They literally say that in the first interaction with CyAc

floral slate
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does the debt keep on growing as they keep dying? something something eternal hell

zinc dagger
sage lark
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Cuz youre practically immortal idk

zinc dagger
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Immortal but in debt sounds bleak af

floral slate
zinc dagger
floral slate
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id imagine since the corps seems to recycle everything including the human body, wouldnt be crazy to imagine that they used people asleep in cryo or that were dead but with a brain intact for the shells

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like maybe im reaching because of the cinematic but they seem to manipulate their memories too so how would they know if they actually wanted to be in a shell or not

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my mind is in too much soma mentality

modern ember
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are all the people from the frist game still frozen in that new area

whole chasm
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I feel like immortality made possible by storing or transferring someone's mind might not actually be that great. Sure, their personality and memories persist, but is anything left of the actual original person? Or does each copy/transfer just THINK they are the original and when they die their instance is over?

heady tendon
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ā€œMad is the Swordā€ from the volume II soundtrack has to be a reference to Durandal, right?

eternal shell
carmine zephyr
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You can't copy a soul

hallow stag
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Depends what you mean with soul

crimson cosmos
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a soul is an artifact of an old collective misunderstanding of the purpose of a mind

hallow stag
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If you don't hold the religious view of soul, you can absolutely copy one

carmine zephyr
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An uploaded consciousness isn't you it's a copy of "you"

subtle oracle
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im so glad they separated the arg for yall and the args sake tbh

hallow stag
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It wouldn't matter, it is in no way less real than me

subtle oracle
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way less clutter now

hallow stag
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They would have a soul as much as I do

crimson cosmos
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its like saying you and future you and you and past you, or you and alternate dimension you are the same, the difference is experience and continuity.

carmine zephyr
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it would be a different person

crimson cosmos
hallow stag
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On that I agree, but it wouldn't be soulless

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But this conversation is pointless if we don't define "soul" first

carmine zephyr
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unless something explicitly states that when transferring consciousness keeps the original alive somewhere in the lore, im assuming when the copy is made the original dies

hallow stag
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Or it may work like in Soma, I don't think we know for sure as now

modern ember
crimson cosmos
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ya transmat is usually copy delete to maintain definitional continuity, and "same" is maintained by relativity. my fav are scifi that play on this. when the delete function doesnt happen
podcast "Sayer" is a good one

carmine zephyr
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what I meant by "soul" is your very coinciousness in this moment that allows you to be aware of who and where you are. imagine a teleporter that when you use it, instead of transporting you, it makes a copy of you while destroying the original, and prints the copy in the place you are supposed to be "teleporting" to. the copy will think it went successfully and will remember being in one spot and then the next, but may also remember the moments up until the death, so the copy would be aware that they are not the original.

rotund wedge
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Scientists have managed to teach a clump of human brain cells on a Petri dish to play DOOM. Weā€™re closer to Marathon than we may think.

modern ember
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the ship of thesis

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ranting for sometime

carmine zephyr
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never played it but i watched a streamer play it ages ago. i dont really remember the plot

rotund stump
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soma's great but I never got into it fsr šŸ˜­

hallow stag
modern ember
vital perch
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I love the whole "post end-stage capitalism" vibe of Marathon and things like Finals but.... isn't it a bit ironic that money is earned with it? xD

rotund stump
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yk what they say

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anything can be capitalized

vital perch
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tru, tru

rotund stump
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the all-consuming irony of it all lol

vital perch
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what's the deal with Rook anyway, I see a Traxus logo on his hand and you level him through Traxus-Levels but are they a shell? Do they have worse qualities than SekGen shells?

full jasper
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hallow stag
crimson cosmos
vital perch
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so is it a collaborative thing? I mean who made that thing. Looks UESC but also not. Many UESC logos but everything looks thrown together sloppily

sage lark
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Its a scavenged uesc shell

vital perch
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Hmmm, I wonder if we'll encounter actual UESC shells in the foreseeable future, sth like Dark Souls NPC invaders

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but like actually NPCs, not Rooks ;)

dense narwhal
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Byf dropped a lore video for marathon if anyone is interested, was my main lore source in destiny

heady tendon
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I love Byf

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Watched that vid yesterday while I was on break

urban terrace
heady tendon
carmine zephyr
crimson cosmos
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have idle animation so you could pretend to be npc

carmine zephyr
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I've used rooks blend ability to get the drop on teams a few times now

vocal lodge
heady tendon
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Rather not die, but thanks

candid otter
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Can someone remind me what year Marathon 2026 takes place? I think it's around 2888?

ember belfry
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tldr of the lore in this game ??

terse steppe
burnt nebula
plucky sierra
candid otter
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Thanks! I just started OG Marathon and I was surprised the terminals in that are in the 2300s

wooden jay
livid lion
floral slate
sage lark
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????

livid lion
floral slate
high dawn
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Do you think the NuCaloric Cheeseburger is served at room temp or heated up?

floral slate
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it is definitly cold

next mountain
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Its warm once you get to the liquid paddy

icy cargo
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Does anyone know any SekGen lore?

candid otter
honest vine
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Sort of a question, why doesnā€™t UESC send their own forces via runner shells? Or establish colonies that way instead of having to transport real people for hundreds of years

candid otter
honest vine
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That would be cool, or maybe a playable faction/ alternate character like rook šŸ¤”

icy cargo
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Also do aliens exist in this universe as implied in the intro?

honest vine
icy cargo
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Thatā€™s cool

honest vine
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Thatā€™s what marathon is about

plush walrus
feral hamlet
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the phfor wiped out Tau Ceti

icy cargo
eternal shell
icy cargo
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Like so the whole point of them getting stuff from these planets is to get to the aliens?

honest vine
eternal shell
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no it was not

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2850 i think runner tech was invented?

honest vine
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Also have to wonder how long can a runner shell actually live for, I assume since itā€™s designed for the bare minimum it might have a lifespan of days at most

icy cargo
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Itā€™d be cool if there was a runner shell for an alien but I donā€™t know if thatā€™d work ik theyā€™re gonna put one in every season tho

minor pendant
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hello everyone

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hows the lore

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anything new?

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also i thought of something that could maybe do something, theres 6 shells and theres 6 terminals, could we possible need every shell at one of these terminals?

floral slate
minor pendant
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is that the new chat for the terminal thing?

floral slate
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yeah, for the arg

minor pendant
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thank you

mystic pumice
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in marathon, isn't the tau ceti system generations away from earth? how long did it take to send us, runners? also, how is our "loot" supposed to get back to them when we recover it? maybe these are dumb questions idk haha

timber urchin
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i think we've developed some level of FTL at this point, though i cant be entirely sure

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if nothing else i think there's some form of faster travel now

cosmic gate
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for original marathon ship it took like 300 smth years, when sol recieved the distress signal, it took roughly 80 years for all interested parties to get there. Im not entirely sure how our loot gets back but I think it has something to do with how we extract, the matter dematerializer or whtever

keen plank
urban terrace
cobalt bolt
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Any breakdown of this connects to the original game? This new game looks soo different than the original game im having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

floral slate
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we are literally trying to smuggle inside the uesc marathon

keen plank
keen plank
subtle oracle
stable pollen
subtle oracle
stable pollen
subtle oracle
livid lion
eternal shell
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huh

livid lion
stable pollen
subtle oracle
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been eye deep in logs uploaded by others and arg

placid fern
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Yo anybody know what the marathon c05 prestige key is??

stable pollen
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Save it if you have it

livid lion
placid fern
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Oh sick I do

stable pollen
placid fern
unreal slate
subtle oracle
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wait wait does the log from selection pressure 1 suggest that the UESC bots were helping spread the contagion through cerberus

livid lion
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Specifically the 26 May 2888, 4:45 section. For some reason I canā€™t link individual sections like I used to

lunar juniper
stable pollen
subtle oracle
tacit quarry
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anyone need a third for the welcome to sekuguchi mission

keen plank
# stable pollen What item is this for

Scary stuff to be responsible for medical science while faced with mortality and an increasing lack of hope. They were forced to save whatever small comforts they could while dealing with an impossible task. Darius, the nurturing gardener who constantly put others before himself was taken offline, starting to lose hope himself, and heading into the melancholic first stage of rampancy. The Contagion may be influenced or created by the Anomaly if the results are impossible to study and replicate for such a long period of time.

The Marathon expedition was doomed. And if Tau Ceti IV truly is connected to or contained W'rkncacnter, it was doomed before it even began.

subtle oracle
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uhhh

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okay

stable pollen
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Anybody find the severed twins books on outpost? So far was only able to extract with one.

long latch
sage lark
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damn apparently the contagion mutates living tissue, and its specifically targeted against human colonization

fallow wagon
turbid drum
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Any good lore resources to get caught up? nvm checked pins

mystic pumice
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sorry for late reply, but thank you for your responses to my questions !

calm snow
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where exactly do we go when we exfil? earth? another ship in orbit of tciv?

wicked hazel
turbid drum
sage lark
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Though it seems Gaius was kinda avoiding if it affects humans directly

rose yarrow
calm snow
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well yeah but what about our stuff? and our shells? like that stuff is still physical matter it needs to be stored somewhere

turbid drum
rose yarrow
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The guns and such probably go to where the shells are created before being sent to the surface while the rest of our good like salvage are prepped to be sent back to the sol system from what I can tell.

rose yarrow
turbid drum
calm snow
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if you look back to the cinematic there seems to be like some sort of facility that prints out the shells
the vandal in the video also says "I got a big contract waiting for me down there"

turbid drum
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its probably important to make a distinction between our runner and runners in general

calm snow
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if it was a ship though we would probably know about it and i cant imagine were being teleported from Sol so this is honestly quite the lore pickle

elfin ermine
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is "violent one" W'rkncacnter or our runners?

elfin ermine
turbid drum
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sekgen makes the shells but its reasonable to imagine if they didnt someone else would

rose yarrow
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I am pretty sure we are in orbit somewhere. I canā€™t imagine where though since we havenā€™t expressly been told where yet? I would be stoked if one of the codex entries makes note of it though. Perhaps if we are somewhere on the marathon we will find where we are stored? But then we would be vulnerable to so much that I canā€™t realistically see it that way. Besides they make mention of us having traveled here for the express purpose of exploiting what has become of cascadia

stable pollen
calm snow
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There is definitely some sort of hub somewhere that weā€™re coming from

inner schooner
turbid drum
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yeah the shell goes with the consciousness if you exfil normally

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its only if you get killed the consciousness gets shunted

elfin ermine
turbid drum
elfin ermine
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i wonder if people save their souls or is it just the cyberpunk soulkiller situation

turbid drum
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im not sure exactly what point you're making an argument for or against

elfin ermine
rose yarrow
elfin ermine
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what is exactly a consciousness in our runner? is it a copy of our mind stored in the shell that just comes back to the original source when we extract?

rose yarrow
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It is our actual consciousness rather than a copy that shares what happened when we return to the source

elfin ermine
stable pollen
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From what I gathered, when you die, you still have memory of the death and the ones before. Itā€™s just overtime your memory gets foggy eventually forgetting your core memories. Like our identities. In the cinematic vandal says to get the exercise over with so she can complete some more contracts, she also remembers her mom, but not herself.

elfin ermine
stable pollen
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Kind of like how with AI the longer the conversation goes the more it forgets and hallucinates. Which I think is why oni tries to remind them in the cinematic.

elfin ermine
rose yarrow
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Getting murdered is pretty traumatic as well being an addition to that. It is very clear the shells let you experience all senses as if it were a real body.

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Probably contributes massively to the memory loss over time

sudden pollen
elfin ermine
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imagine your an introvert person and then you get snapped alive into a popular person's body, would you still spend your time like the guy did?

stable pollen
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The shells were tailored to each person though I donā€™t think they get to choose which shell they are. Or am I reading that wrong?

livid lion
elfin ermine
keen plank
# sage lark Though it seems Gaius was kinda avoiding if it affects humans directly

Gaius is genial, polite, and represents an organization that clearly cares about humanity while being incredibly sinister. There's a reason his eyes are red. Key thing to remember is that it's in NuCaloric's best interest to not only recoup their investment costs, but have as many people literally consuming their food and agricultural products as possible.

sage lark
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ok but what does that have to do with what I said

stable pollen
elfin ermine
keen plank
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Gaius is very interested in figuring out what happened and the Dire Marsh/NuCaloloric quest line shows that while there's a lot he and his organization don't know, he's also likely obfuscating things to an extent. Though nowhere near the same level as say, Mida and SekGen.

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The Mida grafitti all over Tau Ceti VI is...concening. Especially considering it's around Outpost.

elfin ermine
steel fjord
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anyone could up2date in tldr how are we with the terminals on perimeter?

elfin ermine
livid lion
elfin ermine
livid lion
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The leadership/specialists were frozen from Earth

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Regarding MIDA and the Marathon, they infiltrated its construction and planning. Theyā€™re responsible for the weapon caches on board and the secret inclusion of cyborgs. Seeing MIDA visibly in the colony is no surprise.

elfin ermine
stable pollen
livid lion
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Yes, a Sā€™pht

elfin ermine
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thanks

stable pollen
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Whatā€™s crazy is they made it look tuff to fight in the cinematic, but on the marathon they were pretty common to fight as the mjolnir cyborg lol

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And if we have trouble fighting them just imagine the others

floral slate
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the security officer was on another power level

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these runner are gonna get wasted

elfin ermine
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actually Durandal transferred himself into a rook and is now chilling in the cryo archive

turbid drum
keen plank
# elfin ermine were normal people sent to tau ceti? or just scientists?

Between 24,000 and 30,000 people, with the first number being a newer estimate. There were all sorts of candidates chosen, from scientists and engineers to doctors, military leaders, and systems technicians.

As ONI notes, they were focused on expansion rather than survival and the colony seemed to grow pretty steadily.

A lot of people are BoBs, people born on board the ship. And while most die, Durandel does manage to save the remainder.

acoustic harbor
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Does the uesc marathon still have a lava river

eternal shell
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i hope so, it really tied the place together

slate solstice
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need 1 who wants to run some games? level 23 here. DM me

plain eagle
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I think Mida is trying to resurrect Durandal

young temple
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You mean Tycho? Durandal isn't dead as far as we know, right?

unreal slate
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I think NuCal is trying to bring the drinkable cheeseburger back in rotation for their seasonal menu

rose yarrow
plain eagle
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Durandal is not dead, just divided into shards

young temple
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So you mean make him whole, got it

plain eagle
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For better words, trying to summon him or piece him back together.

young temple
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Gotcha

plain eagle
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Im still trying to figure out the rift anomalies

young temple
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I like the theory that Bingus is Durandal

plain eagle
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Hahaha

young temple
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Yeah, been reading all the codex, they definitely don't want people knowing what the Anomaly is.

plain eagle
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We know so far that UESC is trying to take control of it and they are in a shadow war with traxus

young temple
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There is also implication that UESC had something to do with the Colony being completly wiped out. They didn't want witnesses to whatever went down

rose yarrow
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I dont know much about the OG marathon compared to halo, but you couldn't really fracture an AI in halo which shared a LOT with marathon in terms of these elements within the story. You could trap their personality matrix in places though like what happened to Mendicant Bias on delta halo after he betrayed his creators

plain eagle
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In marathon rampancy is part of AI evolution

forest gyro
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need 1 lets run it boys DM

livid lion
rose yarrow
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So it was in halo as well. It was just progressed at a faster place due to the logic plague the flood possessed.

plain eagle
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Its hidden in the codex files you unlock

young temple
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It talks a lot in the lore about Durandal dividing himself to take over different systems

rose yarrow
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I don't think he is literally divinding himself. Just allocating processing power to different systems like divying up a pie. Kind of how your computer will do so when allocating ram to different programs when it is running.

livid lion
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I have yet to see an entry which talks about Durandal directly so it would be nice to see the text being referred to.

young temple
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Yea it's ambiguous on purpose

rose yarrow
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I wonder what the redacted codex entries are actually right now

young temple
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the wording is meant to confuse

plain eagle
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@rose yarrow you are exactly right

cold zenith
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yall think Dr. Bernhard Strauss coming back

plain eagle
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There are still thousands of humans missing so I wouldn't doubt it

sage lark
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Its been 99 years broski unless hes frozen in cryo

cold zenith
young temple
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@livid lion The lore I am referring to is OG Marathon lore about Durandal just to clarify

cold zenith
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but the phor took him

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and cloned hella people

sage lark
cold zenith
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yea

sage lark
cold zenith
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phor still exist

sage lark
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They do

cold zenith
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they can have a clone of him

sage lark
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And Im gonna go to the moon tomorrow

neat kernel
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The existence of pfhor are def hidden by the uesc

cold zenith
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mhm it is cause they know they exist alr cause we MC sent them a message

sage lark
young temple
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I hope the also go into what's up with the S'pht. One clan defected essentially and took off. And we saw the Compiler in the trailer on the ship

sage lark
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First off it was Leela that sent a message, and doesnt matter Sol didnt receive it since we dont even know the Pfhor were here

cold zenith
timber basin
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Do we consider marathon 3 in these discussions? Seems like with the new game theyā€™re gonna go over some old story beats anyway to reintroduce people to the marathon story: which felt like halo; and which felt a bit like destiny as well. Probably the smoothest way for them to do that will be through alternate reality stuff from marathon 3. Especially since Durandal is trying to escape the entropy of the universe seems like heā€™s gonna be extra dimensional in some way through this narrative, or use us to get there like in the old games.

young temple
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Yea, Earth doesn't know what happened in the slightest

cold zenith
neat kernel
plain eagle
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I also discovered we are 7% finished with the community progression

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My assumption

willow whale
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I know whats wrong with the marathon ship It got no gas in it

plain eagle
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Based on the Marathon Terminals hidden around the maps

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They ran out of food

sage lark
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Anomaly + no food + contagion

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  • Pfhor attack
cold zenith
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it could also be we are in a diffrent time line were earth didnt get the message

visual lynx
timber basin
plain eagle
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Not a different time line

neat kernel
visual lynx
cold zenith
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then they def know about pfhor

plain eagle
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Its all connected

livid lion
young temple
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Yea @neat kernel and I think it's possible the S'pht are the baddies in this timeline, just a theory. Or this clan is. At the end of the cinematic trailer, he grabs what looks like an effigy of a S'pht compiler made out of sticks and stuff. Made me start thinking..

sage lark
neat kernel
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I just hope the sā€™pht are not treated like major enemies but discrete

young temple
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I hope not either

sage lark
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It mutates living tissue and supposedly was made specifically against human colonization

young temple
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I like the idea of them helping us actually

sage lark
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But not sure if against humans or their livestock and crops

visual lynx
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sounds like the fungal zombie virus!

cold zenith
visual lynx
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s'pht

sage lark
plain eagle
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Still trying to figure out if the contagion was manufactured by UESC

visual lynx
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s'ct'lac'tr

plain eagle
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Also I correct myself "The son of Durandal"

young temple
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They hint that it could have been Logan

sage lark
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Genius

visual lynx
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that one bit of lore revealing that there was a fungal blight that caused famines on Earth and Mars in the 24th century raised an eyebrow for me

cold zenith
young temple
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@sage lark But whatever the Anomoly is could be too important to let the people back home find out what it is. No witnesses

visual lynx
sage lark
young temple
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All guesses by the way, I have no idea

plain eagle
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Same

young temple
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That's one of the big questions

neat kernel
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We will only really know where we are after vault 7

young temple
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Yep

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I think so too

sage lark
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Equanimity arrived in before us slightly and they didnt know what the anomaly was based on logs between Orion and his Admiral

cold zenith
neat kernel
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I just do not get what can be so important in vault 7 we know already all the enemy factions it wouldnt be a large surprise

visual lynx
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not necessarily. some S'pht were allies of Durandal, but the S'pht as a whole aren't necessarily allies of humans as a whole.

plain eagle
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Time is essentially frozen around the rifts. could lead to further spec about the time line

young temple
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There are also 11 clans so they sort of have autonomy as far as who they align with

sage lark
cold zenith
neat kernel
neat kernel
visual lynx
cold zenith
plain eagle
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Also dont forgot Tau Ceti IV was supposed to be a paradise

sage lark
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Or was

neat kernel
cold zenith
visual lynx
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yeah and

sage lark
neat kernel
young temple
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I just hope after Archive vault 7 we know if we are in a completely new timeline or if this fits into the story before Durandal made the timeline all wacky

cold zenith
timber basin
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If this is their ā€œdark towerā€ entry thatā€™s connecting all their ip together then durandal will probably be our through-line that connects to whatever theyā€™re trying to do since his story was all about escaping entropy, so if we are or are not the final timeline doesnā€™t really matter since it seems like Durandal is all that matters we could be timeline whatever it just matters that heā€™s poking around here. Bungie also uses the meta aspect of us playing the character in their games being a form of ā€œdestinyā€ and Durandal comments on it at the end of 3 I think, so we are just their tools to do stuff. How he talks about bobs sums it up where he basically says their gross but heā€™s stuck using humans for now since they work and itā€™s whatā€™s on hand.

visual lynx
timber basin
visual lynx
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everyone gets that wrong

cold zenith
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I saw a theory saying the marathon was carrying artifacts from pathway into darkness.

young temple
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There is also the possibilty that at this point he has been through so many different timelines and "seen it all" and now just wants to figure out how the active the Jjaro superweapon 1000 fold and destroy everything that exsists so he can finally "Escape"

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I like that Incubus. That would imply they lied and never destroyed any of them and instead used them to advance out technology to what it is now

visual lynx
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maybe the colorful crystal Artifacts in new marathon are related to the colorful Crystal artifacts from pid

young temple
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and there is a crazy parallel to how we used the tech to build the Marathon and how the S'pht essentially did the same thing

plain eagle
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See you In Tau Ceti IV runners

timber basin
cold zenith
young temple
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Yea my theory on their stories as a whole is they are all parallel universes to our own.

timber basin
# cold zenith they mention the jarro directly

Yeah totally itā€™s just one of those things thatā€™s not ā€œofficialā€ but that word gets tossed around so much it ruins the fun. I was legit upset at destiny being released and not marathon so Iā€™m just happy thereā€™s some far flung way they could be connected and Iā€™ve just been playing marathon my whole life

chilly nimbus
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i can't find it now, but i remember someone posting something about being shown a "Compiler graveyard" by someone online in perimeter? with a bunch of idols/makeshift gravestones against the neon blue of the wall. anyone know where that is?

young temple
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Damn i'd like to find that, sounds like a big hint if so

cold zenith
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what if the anomalies has to do with the jarro cause they were at tau cetti.

cold zenith
young temple
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And also to clarify, it's kinda obvious, Earth is in all 3 games, I just meant they aren't just seperate, they all exist together and maybe we happen to cross over at some point? Who knows

cold zenith
young temple
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Maybe the Jjarro are the Forerunners and vise/versa

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Yea for sure, Incubus

cold zenith
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true true they are hinted in marathon to still be alive

neat kernel
young temple
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As far as we know the Jjarro are definitely still alive

neat kernel
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I just hope there wont be a crossover

young temple
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I hope not either actually

cold zenith
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"JJARO WERE AT TAU CETI,"

neat kernel
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I hate when devs cannot keep an ip to itself and always needs to connect into a larger universe

young temple
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Just meant as more of a confirmation that all 3 worlds run parallel to our own kinda thing

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Lore wise

neat kernel
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Yeah as far as i know though d2 had some marathon related easter eggs

young temple
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Yea there are lots of them

neat kernel
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Might be just to tease the game

young temple
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They even did armor sets at one point

cold zenith
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what if jarro evolved into cosmic beings.

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of energy

young temple
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What is cool is I know Destiny is confirmed to be at the bare minimum tied closely to our own timeline because they mention the Starry Night. Bill Clinton was president in 1994 in OG Marathon so the timelines are definitely mirrors of our own

cold zenith
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what if marathon is a failed version of the gardeners game

nocturne trench
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anyone else seeing multiple binguses in overflow?

young temple
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Omg I hope this is true because I have a theory but I feels its way to premature to say

cold zenith
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just say it

past gull
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hey what if Durandal IS the anomaly?

young temple
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Just using what we know how Durandal kinda operates and the Mural on Dire Marsh, what if he "actually split" his consciousness into 7 pieces (Bingus) and whatever ritual was used to do so caused the Anomaly? 100% a limited theory

cold zenith
past gull
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like, literally his attempt to escape physical reality resulted in whatever the anomaly is

cold zenith
past gull
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that would explain the AIs going schizophrenic

cold zenith
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yuh cause its interfericng with them

rotund prairie
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What is the baseline of marathon (all ik is like warhammer and godzilla and dinosaurz)

young temple
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@cold zenith Yeah I think the S'pht helped him do it

cold zenith
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and plus durandal fused with Toth making him even stronger

past gull
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yeah, but I mean - why would the anomaly somehow affect AIs in the way it does?

past gull
cold zenith
wintry dock
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when does cryo drop ?

past gull
cold zenith
past gull
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and we canā€™t solve it now because itā€™s timegated

rotund prairie
past gull
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thereā€™s some datamine/API insight, but thatā€™s spoilers

young temple
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@cold zenith in the mural on the right side, whoever is "stabbing" the green figure is crying. Maybe whoever did it knew what could happen?

past gull
rotund prairie
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Like the baseline of the story

cold zenith
past gull
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thatā€™s the point

chilly nimbus
cold zenith
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to his immortality

young temple
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@cold zenith Yea, maybe it was the Pfhor trying to do something, could have nothing to do with Durandal.

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Yea he killed Tycho, yea?

cold zenith
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which explains the fungus

cold zenith
young temple
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One thing we do know for sure is whatever they actually found on Tau Ceti IV when they began studying it was far too important to let that information leak back to Earth. So whatever it is must be crazy

cold zenith
young temple
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Very true lol

pliant elm
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Fungus will be key in the whole story.

past gull
# rotund prairie Like the baseline of the story

basically people have colonised the Moon and Mars, but due to resource drain, weā€™ve kind of fallen on hard times.
because of that a deep-space colonisation mission was launched, the UESC Marathon.
it established a colony on Tau Ceti IV, but soon after itā€™s been attacked by alien slavers called the Pfhor.
long story short, the main guy prevented the Pfhor from successfully taking over the Marathon, and sent a message to Earth that the situation is dire.
meanwhile, thereā€™s another B-Story that kind of becomes very important, about an alien super-AI eldritch being, thatā€™s contained within an actual sun, and wants to get out ASAP.
also, one of the three AIs on board of the Marathon became Rampant (pretty much gained true sentience and self-awareness) and wanted to become God.

cold zenith
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and finding 4 different species of aliens also crazy

cold zenith
pliant elm
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I mean, the whole first scene of the new Marathon trailer, is literally a runner stomping a fungus, that's an old storyboard technique when you want to demonstrate subtely dominance over something - in this case, corporations over the fungus.

young temple
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Sidenote I love the lore of this game and I'm stoked to see the discussion, ILY all! Keep digging and enjoying the game!

cold zenith
cold zenith
pliant elm
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Not probably, it is a Pfhor bioweapon.

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I have the old Marathon 2 concept art books and manuals, and in a lot of them were the Fungus Pfhor, which was a fungus throwing pfhor, which never made it into the original game.

cold zenith
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they did have the spht slave dude who was a mutatn

cold zenith
pliant elm
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These fungus are actually native for Lh'owon and the Bobs who were in Lh'owon got infected by it when exploring S'pht relics

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It was one of the weapons they used against the old clans

cold zenith
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oooo lwk makes sense

young temple
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I like the idea they developed a fungus that infects AI. It is said the colony AI "Slowly degraded" as well as parts of the colony having strange degredation to it

cold zenith
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cause the bobs went back to tau cetti

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and they prob infected the whole planet

pliant elm
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Sorry, its actually the other way around.

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The S'pht used it against the Pfhor.

cold zenith
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yes

young temple
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And the Pfhor use it on us. makes sense

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used

cold zenith
cold zenith
young temple
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yea lol

wintry dock
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Can someone explain why cryo archive is going to be so gamebreaking ?

past gull
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I donā€™t really think the fungus and the AI are connected

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thereā€™s a compiler inside

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and also some major story twists, so probably Durandal

pliant elm
past gull
young temple
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The thing that is throwing me off about the role of the S'pht in the story is that damn effigy in the trailer. Someone made that and that's either reverence or fear.

cold zenith
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they are worshiping the spht cause they are a greater race

cold zenith
pliant elm
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That's how Marathon 2 ends.

young temple
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Yea that's what I figure so far, plus there is the fact we know the S'pht helped the Battleroids on board once they were "purified"

pliant elm
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When Robert Blake and the Bob's take a Pfhor spaceship, we don't know where they go, but this fungal infection makes the dead resurrect and go look for new hosts.

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He even ends the game saying ā€œThe dead walk again; we cannot wait.ā€

cold zenith
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I think they went back to tau

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then some left to earth

young temple
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I kinda love that they are going back to OG ideas and making them a thing (if this is the case of course)

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Seems like a pretty strong case this could be the direction they are taking

cold zenith
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zombies in tau

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jarro at tau

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spht at tau

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humans at tau

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pfhor at tau whats so special about tau.

pliant elm
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We don't know what happened. That story has never been told, it could very well be that the fungal weapon was actually a Pfhor bioweapon that got lost during the attack in Tau Ceti IV.

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So its plausible that you discover that there's still a source of corruption from one of these lost Pfhor vessels in TC4

neat kernel
young temple
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I wanna go back and look now, is it said the tri zeem (yes I know that's wrong spelling) only makes Stars go supernova? Maybe they found an energy on Tau Ceti they can exploit that is stronger?

cold zenith
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what if tau has a W'rkncacnter or a dead one

young temple
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THAT would be cool af ngl

cold zenith
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and that could explain the anomalies

neat kernel
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Inside the planet would make sense as a prison

cold zenith
young temple
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Ooo I don't know why I never thought of that, I love this idea!

cold zenith
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and expline the ais going crazy 2

young temple
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Would also explain why the Jjaro were there

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They go where the W'rkncacnter go

cold zenith
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yes

pliant elm
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It's very unlikely that Wrk's are in Tau Ceti system. The reason Pfhor went to Tau Ceti was because it was Durandal who called them.

cold zenith
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it lwk fits in the story 2

neat kernel
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Considering wrkn are described as imprisoned in stars or suns? I dont remember, but it might explain a lot if a wrkn is trapped there i mean why was one in the earth pyramidto begin with

cold zenith
cold zenith
pliant elm
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But it's too big/large of an entity to be in this game, it might have some relevant microplot in the game, but its just to set the lore in.

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I think here its going to be more planet-side related.

cold zenith
young temple
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Maybe at least a piece? That is what kicked off the whole thing to begin with, a piece fell to Earth killing the Dinosaurs

cold zenith
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yes it could be a peice or a baby one

young temple
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Ooo a baby one? Interesting.. maybe they use planets to birth them?

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Planets = incubators

neat kernel
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one thing i was wondering in dire march the planet is cut open at the magnetic field but what is inside the planet then?

cold zenith
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yes could be and they can live in a star 2

cold zenith
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they dropped nukes

young temple
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Maybe thats why they wanted our government to take it out on Earth, before it "grew up"

neat kernel
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I was thinking what if jjaro cut open the planet to search something

cold zenith
pliant elm
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I have this theory that these fungus are actually a Pfhor version of AI at biological neural-level.

cold zenith
young temple
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Oh right

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That would be cool too @pliant elm

cold zenith
cold zenith
neat kernel
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Is there a chance the ticks originate from the pfhor or fungus?

cold zenith
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they remind me of those flying bug aliens from marathon classic

neat kernel
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I forgot that but the sā€™phor or jjaro are they in any kind organic like humans?

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Because a codex log says ticks may have been predators in the past targeted to heat emitting enemies

cold zenith
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pfhor are bio

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jarro could evovle into some else but we dont know

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but pfhor and jarro aint from tau

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but lawon

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lhwaon

young temple
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The Citadel/Sā€™pht terminals explicitly place the Pfhor bombardment and Sā€™pht retreat roughly ā€œa thousand yearsā€ before the game events. So we know there was bombs dropped, we just don't know if that is what caused the planet to crack

spare bison
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Question ! I dont have the game but i can see the ARGs
Will I still get the full lore?

cold zenith
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if i remeber correctly thats the heaven the jarro built

neat kernel
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if we consider the ticks log that means something else before humans arrived was at tau ceti 4 something warm that was hunted by nothing larger than ticks

cold zenith
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and no

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but yes just watch yt videos like me i also dont have it

cold zenith
neat kernel
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Didnt know about sea life

ocean oriole
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so is the MIDA here the same MIDA that we hear of in the destiny universe like the multi tool and mini tool

drifting mulch
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space shrimp mmmm

cold zenith
cold zenith
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they are

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they are terroist

limber ravine
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Does anyone here know anything about the AI 'Cerberus' ? Was looking through my codex for lore and we have MIDA talking about Orion and Cerberus and a NuCal codex mentioning it too

young temple
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Oh wait my bad, I think I was looking at what happened on Lh'owon my fault

spare bison
neat kernel
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I only know cerberus is the uesc robot controlling ai and the ship name and knowing about cerberus is a safety hazard according to logs

pliant elm
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Well the ticks, we don't know where they come from, there hasn't been real records from old Tau Ceti on them. In the lore it says it just says it is "assumed" to be native, could be not.

cold zenith
ocean oriole
# cold zenith they are

hmo

destiny happens YEARS after halo. mida killed the entire martian population. we got the multi-tool via the temporal instabilities on mars, creating a rift to the marathon timeline that has MIDA. the events of marathon happen/start parallel with haloā€™s UNSC, so in marathon either the precursors didnā€™t exist or the flood outbreak didnā€™t happen yet

spare bison
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Nah all good

ocean oriole
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we could have the flood in marathon

cold zenith
neat kernel
ocean oriole
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the events of the marathon trilogy happen in parallel to HALO but in a different timeline

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but thatā€™s just my theory

cold zenith
young temple
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Yea, I was looking at a different piece of lore I and mixed it up. It does suggest there were large scale attacks from the Pfhor so that could definitely implicate a bombing on the colony but no proof that caused the Anomoly @cold zenith

ocean oriole
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each timeline is just a new board

cold zenith
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also be spht tech

ocean oriole
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each flower played differently with the same result

cold zenith
bleak linden
ocean oriole
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at some point the timelines have to repeat or converge because we know the end result is always the same

cold zenith
ocean oriole
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the temporal anomalies on mars are one of those convergances

ocean oriole
cold zenith
ocean oriole
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destiny ends with the extinction of humanity in one way or another

cold zenith
visual lynx
ocean oriole
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catastrophic but minor

cold zenith
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they are the exception who accepted both

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so no one won the game it was a draw

ocean oriole
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yeah

cold zenith
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marathon could be the first game

pliant elm
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I think some fungal virus got underground in some ancient Jarro facility that we haven't discovered yet that's doing the anomaly relatively close to the Dire Marsh. Actually in fact I found some cool hints that this might be true, because in the underground tunnels of Dire Marsh I found some scratched walls noting that the humans there were stomping mushrooms.

cold zenith
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halo the second and destiny the current one

pliant elm
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You can see a scratched wall done by someone of a boot stomping mushrooms.

cold zenith
ocean oriole
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same few centuries

visual lynx
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Halo is several centuries before Marathon

ocean oriole
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weā€™d still see the effects of the flood

visual lynx
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around the same time the Marathon departed

timber basin
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The whole multiverse thing from 3 I think will come into play but Durandal for sure finished at least one timeline, the final screen takes place at the final moment of reality and he kind of just acknowledged that he never understood us as a playerā€™s role in his universe at the end of 3. He didnā€™t get why or what exactly we did even at the end of that timeline. Whatever version of reality from marathon 3 we are in we are probably going to be that ā€œdestinyā€ he talks about at the end. The whole Durandal storyline was the only real developing story everything else felt reactionary to his agenda in the old games even to the point where we just do what he says cause thereā€™s not another option and he becomes the quest. Itā€™s always felt to me the old games, and then halo and destiny after in different ways, weā€™re essentially about consciousness and the limits of what human minds can conceptualize in the form of the AI going rampant which basically just means the AI can sense the boundaries of its own mind, like if you could literally not imagine in a certain way and hit a literal physical wall in your mind and it makes them go crazy, conceivably would make human minds that are also digitized go crazy. But then thereā€™s the version after rampancy where they supposedly transcend that and turn stable but in game no one can make it work in a lab and no one can conceptualize what that is like I would even say the ending of 3 could be him not being able to deal with that up to the last moment of reality he basically just sums it all up for our perspective ā€œoutside of his universeā€ as the player perspective, or maybe he did figure out something and him saying that stuff is literally for us as the players and heā€™s off on some new adventure having transcended ā€œthe endā€. Going off of whatā€™s in the games we donā€™t hear about the other races transcending reality in the way Durandal wants so I donā€™t know that we can assume anyone else has done it, but we only have that final screen on 3.

spare bison
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Wait. So halo AND destiny are in the same universe??

cold zenith
cold zenith
timber basin
spare bison
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Ohhh ok

pliant elm
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Well, I guess what we're going to find out in the Cryoarchives.

cold zenith
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macro verse cause diff mutliverse also plays into the idea of the flower game

native willow
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Does oni lady have to do something with the 'oni game' that released between marathon and halo? cause they have the same name

spare bison
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Macro verse?

cold zenith
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in d2 it was mentioted that the gardner and winnoer played the game multiple times

cold zenith
scenic summit
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The Bungie games are a conspiracy corkboard tangle of interrelated references and mythology gags. Hard to say what means what all the time.

cold zenith
spare bison
scenic summit
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Honestly I like how crunchy that makes it lol

candid otter
#

Playing OG Marathon and I found a terminal that describes what the Marathon actually looks like and I'm a little confused. Is it a ship with giant chunks of moon strapped to it?

cold zenith
cold zenith
candid otter
timber basin
cold zenith
drifting mulch
scenic summit
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Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap

I think it was 24k people who were on the Marathon

candid otter
cold zenith
scenic summit
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"Cheap." Under the best of circumstances, the Marathon took an incredible amount of resources to maintain

cold zenith
#

For context, the original UESC Marathon colony ship in the game's lore was designed to carry a total of 24,000 civilians, 1,150 officers, and 50 senior staff to the Tau Ceti system.

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brah thats like noting

zealous harness
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hi chat i have all 5 xenobiopsies and im gonna transcribe them here aight

native willow
#

Marathon and pathways into the darkness shares the same universe, right?

cold zenith
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bet

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yes

scenic summit
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50 senior staff
1150 officers
24,000 civilian

I don't even know how much hardware goes into keeping the ship going though, or how much storage is dedicated to the colony hardware itself. You definitely don't want your colonists starving. Attrition rate would be enormous without the right support.

cold zenith
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it was in space for 300 years

inner schooner
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24,000 civilians doesn't include the BoBs?

scenic summit
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Its not like irl colonies where you can just send another ship over if something bad happens, either, this is a non trivial number of lightyears away

cold zenith
zealous harness
#

SPECIMEN, REF. #003021

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Lab Recording
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Dorata, S. [ID: SDOR], Blau, H. [ID: HBLA]
TOPIC: Exploratory Dissection, Extrasolar Specimen, ref. #003021
SUMMARY: Opening moments of a classified investigation of a specimen of unknown extra-planetary origin.
[SDOR]: Begin recording.

[SDOR]: This is Major Saviel Dorata, assisted by Hanza Blau, performing an exploratory dissection on an extraterrestrial combatant, reference number 003021. Specimen collected following the event.
[SDOR]: Outside of the combat necropsies performed during the contact event this will mark the fourth exploratory dissection of the [REDACTED]...
[SDOR]: Oop... Gabriel... Scratch that last-
[HBLA]: Major?
[SDOR]: [...]
[SDOR]: Right. System... Scratch the last few words of my previous statement from the record. From [REDACTED] to [REDACTED]. Include these mentions and any that follow.
[SDOR]: Will take time getting used to Gabriel's absence up here.
[SDOR]: Whole place feels... quieter... without our friends.
[HBLA]: Infosec says-
[SDOR]: I'm not challenging the necessity. Just adjusting to the reality. Probably best we focus...
[HBLA]: [...]
[SDOR]: After you...
[HBLA]: Yeah. Yeah... The, um... The specimen is 193 centimeters long-or tall, rather-and weighs 72 point... Let's call it six... 72.6 kilograms. It presents a mixture of both arthropodal and vertebrate characteristics. The subject is hairless and has no finger- or
toenails. It is bipedal, so it has been arranged on the examination table adaxial side up.
[HBLA]: Open when ready, sir.
[SDOR]: [...]
[SDOR]: I'm making the primary incision from the approximate location of the acromial process down and over to midline center. And now from the other side and down past the- Well, there's no umbilicus.

coral vale
#

BoBs by definition wouldn't be part of the initial crew

zealous harness
# zealous harness # SPECIMEN, REF. #003021 ANALYZING... FILE TYPE: Lab Recording PERIOD: Colony Er...

[SDOR]: The epicuticle is more of a very thin and extremely flexible cartilaginous material. Approximately 3.5 to 5 millimeters thick. Its connection to the procuticle, the hypodermis, is more waxy than fatty. Which goes a long way towards explaining lack of mobility in the epidermis. Reflection of the epidermis is much easier than on a- mammal.
[SDOR]: The thickness and rigidity of the subject's procuticle preclude the use of a scalpel for gaining access to the thoracic cavity. Therefore, I will be using angle-bladed utility scissors. [SDOR]: I'm going to start the incision right under the edge of the exoskeleton, behind the last abdominal segment and continuing up through to the top of the thorax.
[SDOR]: There is a fair amount of crunching. Once the body is open, I will be able to determine whether this is due to the thickness of the chitin, or if there were additional subsurface structures that I inadvertently cut through. I am ending the incision at the base of the head capsule.
[SDOR]: We are using ligating forceps attached to magnetic restraints to hold the abdomen open. Not ideal, but it's what we have...
[END RECORD]
TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]

TAGS: 003021; blau, h.; contact event; dissection; dorata, s.; extraterrestrial; gabriel; information security; [REDACTED]; surgery; xenobiology

cold zenith
zealous harness
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agh i gotta take care of something ill transcribe the other 4 afterwards

zealous harness
inner schooner
#

sounds like a pfhor trooper dissection. they're bugs with chitin shells

cold zenith
livid lion
zealous harness
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ok put a pin in this ill get you all the other 4 entries in a little less than an hour

sinful thicket
#

Question's more about the new game than the lore itself, but if you're a lore nerd how do you unlock all that stuff as quickly as some people can?

coral vale
sinful thicket
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do you just have to be really good and play solo a lot to get exploration and contracts done?

livid lion
cold zenith
cold zenith
ornate river
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so traxus is deemed as the most wealthy and powerful company in marathon, but why? What influence do they have and what do they provide? Cyac had a software monopoly and nucal provide fundamentals, and sekaguchi do shells but what does traxus even do??? Are they like a distributor?

drifting mulch
ornate river
livid lion
cold zenith
cold zenith
ornate river
cold zenith
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and they make the cris

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for mars

ornate river
livid lion
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Also yes, bulk transport. Think Maersk but they own everything to make their own ships at their own shipyards with steel from their own refineries from iron they mine themselves

cold zenith
livid lion
#

CRIST

ornate river
timber basin
cold zenith
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traxsus 4 i think

ornate river
zealous harness
ornate river
cold zenith
ornate river
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I really want to find out more about Arachne's religion

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It must be deeper than that

bleak linden
#

well i remember seeing on twitter a theory that arachne worships the compilers due to the strange amount of red symbolism shared between them

ornate river
#

What are the compilers again?

livid lion
# ornate river <:mida:1357294178312388668>

Genuinely terroristic. Bernhard Strauss is at least partly responsible for the entire story by experimenting on/torturing Durandal. Planned at one point to hijack the Tau Ceti colony and the Marathon for unknown purposes.

timber basin
# ornate river We got all these corrupt ass villians that try justify themselves and fight for...

Arachne is interesting they have the most sympathetic message as a player since everyone else is using you but Arachne is a death cult in a culture where we are told death is impermanent. It is all subjective tho. If you had the skills and tools to design a 1:1 copy of yourself and were then able to download that copy to another place, like a synth body as a copy, who is to say which one of you is the real one. Except that likely each will be an individual conscious at some moment of time. So you could all be real and any one of you dying is a real death, or maybe not.

cold zenith
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aliens brain cyborgs

cold zenith
bleak linden
cold zenith
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and deimos was mars orgianly

spare bison
#

Are the weird plants that explode alien shrooms?

ornate river
bleak linden
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yup

spare bison
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Nice

ornate river
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"marathon 1" the 90's game šŸ˜­

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Not confusing lol

spare bison
cold zenith
spare bison
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Noice

ornate river
spare bison
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Yup. They even hear voices! So f up

ornate river
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even the cyac ai (I forgot the namek try to regulate the runner's mental torment using affirmation at the start of a run

spare bison
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Cyan ai ?

ornate river
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Cyber achme

spare bison
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Ohhh the food ai ceo lol

cold zenith
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aint that NuC

spare bison
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Yep

proud thicket
ornate river
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And shell

drifting mulch
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Assert: you are loved. Assert: you can do anything.

spare bison
ornate river
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Assert: everyone else isn't special, but you are

ornate river
spare bison
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Lmao

cold zenith
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not a shell

supple orchid
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What would you call the art style of marathon?

spare bison
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Yea. He was a human b4 being an ai, rigth?

spare bison
supple orchid
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Yerrr you're right

cold zenith
spare bison
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So their ceo is an full ai

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That i so f up

stable pollen
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So much speculation atp mfs confusing each other

spare bison
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Not so much

fallow wagon
supple orchid
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Ive just seen neo y2k

deep solar
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CyberAcme just goes so hard for a cyberpunk corpo name

spare bison
acoustic harbor
deep solar
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I donā€™t remember CyAc from the originals though I remember Traxus and Mida

stable pollen
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He was the founder

livid lion
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It was written as CAS (CyberAcme Systems) on the terminals

spare bison
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Hy and gus?

stable pollen
spare bison
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Oh

stable pollen
#

Anybody find any of the severed twins books?

spare bison
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Severed twins books ? (Holly molly I am so behinde lol)

stable pollen
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Pretty dark log but Iā€™m not understanding what itā€™s about

timber basin
# ornate river So arachne just embrace death because they know change is impossible, to a point...

I think the cinematic video implies we are being lied to about how the shells work and our own consciousness since the child photo for both characters were the same and they talk about the shells having a predetermined personality that compliments their play style. My theory is we might be a new cheap mjolnir type or they are using peopleā€™s consciousness as a tool in a similar way. We arenā€™t as powerful as a proper mjolnir but thereā€™s any number of reason for changing to shells. I just doubt our characters have a real hand in their fate at this point and we are being manipulated, which would be on theme for bungie games.

spare bison
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but what is a "severed twin"

stable pollen
spare bison
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OHHH is a log! Ok i know what that is lol

ornate river
spare bison
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Ok um I am gonna ask an weird question now: sooo... can shell's have EJEM... do ADULT stuff ? lmao

bleak linden
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honestly? physically no, but i wouldnt doubt that theres a way for them to feel the same sensations

spare bison
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Makes sence

stable pollen
#

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Physical Book
PERIOD: Colony Era
TOPIC: "The Spirit Thief"
SUMMARY: Part of a larger collection titled "The Severed Twins," this fairy tale appears to critique political circumstances around the Launch of the UESC Marathon and the perceived "theft" of Deimos. This antiquated format proved popular and subversive.
00901111111011111151

Once upon a time, a castle stood atop a lonely peak. The castle belonged to a cardinal, whose lofty title demanded red stone, red furnishings, and red banners. During pale sunsets, the castle Leered bloody and bright from the mountainside.
A thief crept through the castle's silent red halls. Bony fingers clutched his prize: a thin canvas bag containing a ruby reliquary.
He thought not of the contents rattling within nor the legends of a haunting curse, only the hunger gripping his guts. The thief snuck toward the cellar, trying to ignore the voice haunting his steps.

sever. vanish. drift.

Strange words followed him from red stairwells into burgundy shadows.
The narrow stone confines offered no relief from the whisper.

vanish. drift. bleed.

The thief crawled on his hands and knees through a tunnel in the cellars, dragging his burden behind him.

drift. bleed. YEARN.

The reliquary screeched in protest, and a piercing wail answered throughout the castle. But the thief was already free, tumbling from the tunnel into the frigid night air. With the wail still echoing in his ears, he ran for the road as fast as his legs would carry him.
He did not see the trail of ghostly blood oozing through the canvas and splattering the ground. Nor did he feel ephemeral flesh tearing as the distance from the castle became too great to span.
The thief ran, praying that what he'd stolen was a jeweled box and nothing more.

spare bison
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Lol

stable pollen
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Thatā€™s just log one

spare bison
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Ooooh ! I see I see

pallid scarab
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hard at work i see

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keep it up scholars

ornate river
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I don't think that's a too far stretch

spare bison
ornate river
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personality is just what's uploaded to their shell from their original body that is held in a buffer when initiating psyche transfer, when the shell dies the mind is instantly edjected Ito cyber achmes buffer zone and back to their previous body.

#

So when a shell dies the person doesn't actually die.

#

But it causes psychological trauma

spare bison
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Makes sence

ornate river
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This is why you can be resed after dying from your death box, your body is re uploaded to the shell from the buffer state back into your shell

#

I learnt alot of this information from the codex

spare bison
#

But seeing the "death is just the biginning" music video i REALLY doubth that they fell "no pain"

ornate river
spare bison
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The moment they go to the ship and one of them loose an arm they start to twitch like they DO feel pain

zealous harness
ornate river
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the body's twitching may be s physical response from the biological matter but this body and matter is separate from the user and it's isolated, death or a shell is documented In codex

pliant granite
#

So what are the chances that when we enter cryo archive we find out that runner consciousnesses are actually stored there or the conciounsesses of runners originate from people that existed aboard the marathon? Triage seemed to have an extremely strong connection with the marathon in the cinematic and the message we decoded in the new arg says we must 'go to what was once home'

stable pollen
drifting mulch
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i saw graffiti that said and im paraphrasing "if you don't forget they'll kill you. if they can't kill you they'll make you forget". runners may be more than what they're presented as

zealous harness
# zealous harness [SDOR]: The epicuticle is more of a very thin and extremely flexible cartilagino...

SPECIMEN, REF. #003021 [CON'T]

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Lab Recording
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Dorata, S. [ID: SDOR], Blau, H. [ID: HBLA]
TOPIC: Exploratory Dissection, Extrasolar Specimen, ref. #003021 SUMMARY: Continued surgical investigation of a specimen of unknown extra-planetary origin.

[SDOR]: continuing our look into 003021, the entire ab- thorax. Haemocoel? Anyway, it is completely filled with a translucent pale- yellow hemolymph or hemolymph-like fluid or plasma.
[HBLA]: It's reacting with the atmosphere-becoming more opaque. No change, or at least no other noticeable changes-no thickening or clotting. Looks like-um-480 milliliters.
[SDOR]: The esophagus leads from the mouth to the, I really don't want to call it a crop, but the food storage area. That isn't any better...
[HBLA]: Are those lungs?
[SDOR]: Well, it's not the caeca, those are lower, but without a diaphragm- Remove them, get them to bioscience for a more thorough Look.
[SDOR]: The crop is, of course, connected to the proventriculus. So, this is most likely the gastric caeca. Which leads directly to the mid gut. The mesenteron, where nutrient absorption would take place. Though this one is oddly pale. I've seen nine of these opened up and the mid gut is typically a dark maroon or purple color. I've only ever seen one other one this pale.
[HBLA]: Could be injury related, maybe? You saw them in the field, so to say, right?
[SDOR]: Yeah. Could be. Could be injury related.
[SDOR] I want to note there is a relatively thick layer of striated muscle all throughout here. Thicker myosin layers overlapping thinner actin filaments, ranging between 10 to 13 millimeters. There are what appear to be quite a few fat bodies distributed throughout the thorax.
[HBLA]: It doesn't really follow the terrestrial arthropod plan that closely. The abdomen is-
[SDOR]: Right.

pliant granite
zealous harness
# zealous harness # SPECIMEN, REF. #003021 [CON'T] ANALYZING... FILE TYPE: Lab Recording PERIOD: C...

[SDOR]: The abdomen, if this were a terrestrial arthropod, seems almost- well, not even almost, it's essentially vestigial. It really just seems to be there to accommodate the exit to the Malpighian tubules and excretory system and more fat bodies.
[SDOR]: There are regular ligament structures attached to all the internal organs. Performing the same function as the peritoneum or mesentery. And here we have the ventriculus, the ileum, the colon. Or I'm assuming we do. We'll know more once bioscience has had some time with them. There's nothing resembling the parietal pleura or
mediastinal, though the anchor points to the myosin layer are... really interesting.
[HBLA]: It's too bad we don't have access to any living specimens.
[SDOR]: What do you mean?
[HBLA]: For observation. I'm not saying... look, vivisection is-
[SDOR]: Stop recording.
[END TRANSCRIPT]

TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]
TAGS: 003021; blau, h.; contact event; dissection; dorata, s.; extraterrestrial; gabriel; information security; [REDACTED]; surgery; xenobiology

hazy mist
#

not familiar with all the aliens i only really know the compiler tbh cuz its int he trailer

zealous harness
#

someone said it sounded like a pfhor footsoldier

pliant granite
# drifting mulch i saw graffiti that said and im paraphrasing "if you don't forget they'll kill y...

I was speculating on this before launch it seems clear to me from the reveal cinematic that vandal and assassin have some prior connection that they are not supposed to remember and I speculate that they were the people in the car prior to becoming runners due to their shared connection with the music that the car people were listening to before their deaths, assassin even says 'it speaks to me' and when he is given the photograph of vandal as a child he does not know who it is but he does know that it is not him

ornate river
visual lynx
ornate river
zealous harness
# zealous harness [SDOR]: The abdomen, if this were a terrestrial arthropod, seems almost- well, n...

SPECIMEN, REF. #26072794.5

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Audio Transcript
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Dorata, S. [ID: SDOR], Blau, H. [ID: HBLA]
TOPIC: Exploratory Dissection; Extrasolar Specimen, ref. #26072794.5 SUMMARY: New Cascadia Surgical personnel prep for the dissection of an unfamiliar lifeform.

[SDOR]: Begin recording.
[HBLA]: This is the most complete subject we've seen.
[SDOR]: Of the type? Yes.
[HBLA]: It's larger than I would've-
[SDOR]: Hard to imagine the scope of them... of any of it, really. Until face-to-face-
[SDOR]: Makes me wonder how I would've reacted to encountering any of them outside of a slab.
[HBLA]: Can you imagine?
[SDOR]: Orem and their team were aboard during the event. They reacted in real time. Two days of, essentially, combat triage and emergency xenobiology-
[SDOR]: But they weren't lucky enough to have a full specimen to examine.
[HBLA]: Is this the first and only full subject of its kind?
[SDOR]: To the best of our current knowledge. Security is still sweeping every corridor for threats and evidence, so no telling what else they'll find, but as of now... This is our only go at a shrouded specimen.
[SDOR]: All reports from survivors suggest the subject has built-in immolation mechanics. They typically just.... disintegrate... when fatally wounded. A failsafe against... maybe against up-close observation of the species. So, we're lucky to have this opportunity at all.
[SDOR] The theory is a theory anyway- We're still early in our assessment of the event across multiple command investigations, so, theories are plenty and answers are- Well, it's our job to find some.
[SDOR]: But the theory is... These... more complex... specimens are of unique value to the invading species. We've only opened remnants of any of them-pieces, like debris, but never a full subject, due to the- the-

pliant granite
ornate river
#

Escaping the physical restraints that numb the runner or the colony's as a whole

zealous harness
# zealous harness # SPECIMEN, REF. #26072794.5 ANALYZING... FILE TYPE: Audio Transcript PERIOD: Co...

[SDOR]: Yes. Yeah. Due to the fact they basically self-destruct upon death-or, as we're starting to find-something more akin to systems failure.
HBLA: This one's systems have yet to fail, then... Is it still alive? Are we ?
[SDOR]: Alive? Online? We'll find out, but, yes, for all we know of the subject... it is still alive and functioning. So, we'll need to complete the dissection carefully and quickly.
HBLA: And if it "self-destructs" during the procedure? Isn't-
[SDOR]: Again... Carefully. Quickly. We'll be learning as we go. And trying to avoid losing any digits or limbs should we trigger its burndown.
[SDOR]: Are our tools set?
HBLA: Prepped and ready, sir.
[SDOR]: Room secure?
HBLA: Systems isolation complete. Subject and all equipment are supported within a closed cycle. You are cleared to begin when ready.
[SDOR]: Okay, then. I'm requesting all security personnel to stand ready. The procedure is about to begin, and we may require immediate attention should the subject display any unexpected responses.
[SDOR]: Here we go.
[SDOR]: This is Major Saviel Dorata, assisted by Lieutenant Hanza Blau, performing an exploratory dissection on an extraterrestrial combatant, reference number 26072794.5...
[END TRANSCRIPT]

TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]
TAGS: blau, h.; cyborg; dorata, s.; extrasolar; ref: #26072794.5; xenobiology

pliant granite
ornate river
#

thanks

zealous harness
# zealous harness [HBLA]: Disintegration? [SDOR]: Yes. Yeah. Due to the fact they basically self-d...

PERSONAL LOG: OREM

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Personal Log
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Orem, S. [ID: SORE]
TOPIC: A Reflection on the Unknown A Questioning of Faith SUMMARY: A colony scientist privately considers new information.

[SORE]: They're... I can't say this out loud. Not to the others. Though surely, they feel the same... If not entirely, then to a degree...
[SORE]: The entities encountered after the... the event... We still don't have a full accounting of what transpired when the outside force engaged... When the [REDACTED].
[SORE]: That we survived is miracle enough. I am not a man of faith, but, oddly, facing the realities of [REDACTED] is... I... I find myself questioning... really... Searching may be the more appropriate term...
[SORE] I'm searching for answers to questions I never considered asking.
[SORE]: The few left behind... The remnants of the encounter... The specimens we... They don't close the door on faith as one would... as I would have...imagined. Instead, they offer evidence of a creator... Creators? Not necessarily a god-figure. But... maybe...
[SORE]: How else...?
[SORE]: How is a living thing so meticulously crafted?
[SORE]: If the human body is an organic machine perfected by evolution, then... then... These...
[SORE] In light of their existence... I can only theorize that we-humanity-who has conquered the stars.... From the sea to Tau Ceti... We are miraculous achievements and testaments to nature's ability to adapt and grow... to overcome and master the circumstances of existence...
[SORE]: But in the light of... In the aftermath of...
[SORE]: [...]
[SORE]: What are we in comparison to everything we do not know?

TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]
TAGS: event; faith; orem, s.; [REDACTED]; specimens; tau ceti; xenobiology

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oh ok its a spfhthfbt compiler

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100%

#

since those bodies were manually crafted by the pfhor

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ok one more

pliant elm
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Why would a complier have toenails.

zealous harness
# zealous harness # PERSONAL LOG: OREM ANALYZING... FILE TYPE: Personal Log PERIOD: Colony Era SP...

PERSONAL LOG: OREM

ANALYZING...
FILE TYPE: Personal Log
PERIOD: Colony Era
SPEAKERS: Orem, S. [ID: SORE]
TOPIC: A Deeper Consideration of the Unknown
SUMMARY: A colony scientist continues to express concern/disbelief in response to knowledge gained after the contact event.

[SORE]: We... Humans... We are not perfection. We are meat and frivolous biology.
[SORE]: They... At first, I- We all... thought they were machines- advanced clone-types built for... for- I can't begin to guess. We can't know... But built- They seemed-appeared-built, not born.
[SORE]: Then we took a closer look...
[SORE]: [...]
[SORE]: Under scalpel you see, they are organic... Augmented with cybernetics, but... but to a lesser degree than one would assume.
[SORE]: It's It's hard to comprehend the intricacy of their biology... purpose-built and defined... inside and out... to function in... They function in ways we can't begin to map. Their organs... Their nervous system... Systems! Their entire biological make-up is akin to a complex- a network of connections and... and drivers, servers, operating mechanics... it's all so technical and precise...
[SORE]: We see, clearly, upon examination that it is all organic... The "cloak," the "orbus"... it's all... But how...?
[SORE]: The product of bioengineering we can't grasp? Surely. But what if it's more?
[SORE]: The current ruling theory is bioengineering- forced, disciplined, and directed evolution. But then, again... By whose hand? Or even... Is "who" a lazy assumption? Maybe we should be asking, "by what?" The mind reels at the thought. Mine, anyway.
[SORE]: Or... Are they simply the byproduct of evolution in their wholly unique ecosystem, and, if so, would we over time... millennia... equal even a fraction of their complexity?
[SORE] I fear, in these early moments, we may never know.

zealous harness
# zealous harness # PERSONAL LOG: OREM ANALYZING... FILE TYPE: Personal Log PERIOD: Colony Era SPE...

[SORE] I fear... my own ability to understand... Not just mine, ours as a whole... as a species... Will lead to.... I don't know. Doubt. Surely. Madness? Here, now... I'd say likely.
[SORE]: We came to alien worlds expecting wonder. We simply never imagined this.
[SORE]: And why did they come? Over the totality of human history... Why here? Why now? Tau Ceti is removed from Sol, but not so much that such advanced beings wouldn't have stumbled upon the white noise of humanity's ambitions.
[SORE]: Is it because we have transgressed? Is our... Is our presence here a sin?
[SORE]: Are they just like us... explorers? Was our meeting an accident? Or something more?
[SORE]: Did they come here... [REDACTED]... out of curiosity?
[SORE]: Or have we been judged? Are we being judged?
[SORE]: [...]
[SORE]: If so, for what crimes? And what is their verdict?
[SORE]: [...]
[SORE] In death, maybe, they cannot say. But what guarantee do we have that the dead will stay silent?
[...]
[...]
[...]
[END TRANSCRIPT]

TYPE: TEXT [X]; AUDIO [ ]
TAGS: bioengineering; cybernetics; orem, s.; [REDACTED]; specimens; tau ceti; xenobiology

stable pollen
#

Just logging the spht

zealous harness
#

ok thats all 5 xenobiopsy entries

stable pollen
#

Iā€™m assuming, right?

zealous harness
#

ill let the people smarter than me figure that part out
its fascinating regardless

pliant elm
#

That sounds more like the autopsy of a standard Pfhor.

zealous harness
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istg i walked out of outpost with literally 2/3rds of my inventory being valuables after all my friends dumped them on me in favor of guns and implants

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this was all in a single run

timber basin
#

@pliant granite I think that comes from the lore that when an AI goes rampant it will exponentially expand into all available systems which is why a smaller scale AI dies out quickly from being discovered and shut dow. Thereā€™s an indication in logs about the potential next step after rampancy but itā€™s only theorized. Durandal potentially evened emotionally out over the eons of time so I donā€™t think we would consider him rampant at the end of 3 so potentially having enough ā€œspaceā€ to expand into during rampancy calms them down. But even then he wasnā€™t omnipotent he still talks about not knowing what was up with our character.

stable pollen
pliant elm
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"Cloaks" can be anything.

placid fern
#

Anybody in the process of theory crafting about the new map? I have a in game screen cap of this bedroom that's different than all the other bedrooms in dorms

pliant elm
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But then again, its likely, I mean, there's a compiler in the trailer.

stable pollen
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Yeah Iā€™m certain that cloaks are only apart of the spht

supple marsh
trim tundra
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Anyone else think we're going up against Mjolnir Recon 54 aboard the Marathon?

#

and noticed this:

2794

    July 3: Tau Ceti IV colony attacked by the Pfhor.[3]
        0820: Pfhor attack the Marathon.[3]
        0830: Pfhor board the Marathon. Marathon personnel instructed to arm themselves.[3]
    July ?: The Pfhor attack on Tau Ceti IV is repelled thanks to the efforts of Mjolnir Recon 54 aboard the Marathon and nine Mjolnir Mark IV Cyborgs on the surface of Tau Ceti IV.[4][3]

    October 25: Pfhor return to Tau Ceti. Tau Ceti IV colony destroyed. Tycho falls in with the Pfhor and Leela is captured. Nine Mjolnir Mark IV Cyborgs destroyed.[1]

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ONE ON BOARD THE MARATHON?

eternal shell
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you literally play as him in the old trilogy

#

you see exactly what happened to him

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(forced vacation to the galactic core, followed by weird timeline shit)

trim tundra
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Ah... okay. šŸ™

#

So excited there for a few min... šŸ˜›

solar widget
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/DAC

#

I'm so confused

pearl pond
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lore question: when your character isn't in the middle of a run, where are you? Are you sitting in some hideout or base or a spaceship or whatever in a shell, or are you just in data form when not working?

royal blaze
#

Has anyone else seen the rings that appear in the distance on Dire Marsh?

terse steppe
#

Marathon is getting review bombed on Metacritic, many of the 0/10 reviews even admit they haven't even played the game bizarrely. I just dropped a 10/10 review to counter them. If you got a spare moment and like the game feel free to join the cause. I really don't like review bombers, negative feedback is fine but not hate.

rugged tree
#

I think WeaveWorm is such an interesting concept

livid lion
#

Of note from M1

The science staff had difficulty finding a good specimen of the S'pht, or compiler, to autopsy. The only specimen autopsied was almost completely destroyed, but it was obvious that the compilers are cyborgs of some kind. The biological component of the compiler is so closely linked to the machine that it could never survive without it. The compiler's actual body is very small, resembling closely a mammalian brain, except that the neurons are much finer and far more complex.

#

These logs reflect this description of the events

stable pollen
visual lynx
# pliant elm That sounds more like the autopsy of a standard Pfhor.

some of these autopsies sound like pfhor, the ones with yellow hemolymph and arthropod anatomy, but the cloak and orb and intricate nervous systems bioengineered are definitely spht

but I am bothered because in M2 we see images of spht without their cloaks and such, suggesting that those are not part of their anatomy but armor or clothing, and sphtkr defenders wear different armor entirely, with BTS images showing the same uncloaked spht bodies inside of them, and inside of the cloaks too.

stable pollen
#

In the cinematic vandal says she has contracts ā€œdown thereā€ so Iā€™m assuming itā€™s some other ship orbiting tau ceti IV. Maybe theyā€™ll reveal it once we get to the marathon.

livid lion
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Though again, organic =/= part of their body. Thatā€™s definitely what theyā€™re going for at the moment but the words are multivalent enough to permit it merely being produced by the machine-body in the future

chrome loom
#

Whatā€™s with the worm?

cold zenith
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goodnight yall ima prep for bedtime have hella stuff do tomrrow

serene ravine
#

is the game laggy for u guys ? i cant play its very laggy for me

keen plank
dreamy hawk
onyx blade
livid lion
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Well theyā€™re experiencing lag. Not that this channel is for this.

onyx blade
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fair

candid otter
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I gotta say, NuCal might have my favorite story missions so far. These AI audio logs are terrifying

wild sonnet
modern path
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the general shell entry that explains how shells work, where is that codex located?

#

i unlocked it yesterday but cant seem to find it again to read it

upper belfry
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Does anyone know if there are any additional priority contracts in the game once you wrap up the first batch? Sitting here wondering if theres more to the story or if they pulled an arc raiders and skimped hard on quests

sinful thicket
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don't attempt the traxus ones, they're for dedicated crews of three. pre-mades.

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but yeah seems like there's huge batches of them but you need reputation to access further sets

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at least there'll be lore nerds out there cataloguing whatever the traxus contracts show lore-wise

plush niche
sinful thicket
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I JUST managed to do the first two

eternal shell
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the 4th traxus was too hard

#

the third one was super chill compared to the second

sinful thicket
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but the one with the transport drone is meant to turn you around and say "hey, you need to stop without getting crew members to guard you."

#

you're dealing with UESC. you're dealing with other runners watching it. you're also dealing with the fact you need to exfil or it's all lost. You're either trying to get an absolute perfect storm of circumstances to get it done or you can sit there trying it for several thousand hours before it goes right. I'm moving to another corporation for now

#

it all resets with the contracts anyway so you're really only doing it to get the lore out. as long as someone has, we're fine. even better if it can all be sent to marathonstory

#

marathon is a stress management game

eternal shell
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yes it's all about how much you can stress out the other players

sinful thicket
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i dunno man if bungie wants to deliver a story with these contracts they need to have a rethink of the traxus ones in particular. nucaloric seems to be the standard to aim for. traxus ones seem more like end-game challenges than "investigate this for us"

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MIDA's not too bad. Arachne is just luck and violence but you get them done eventually

#

if this is only the first set of traxus contracts, imagine what the last ones must be like?
IN A SINGLE RUN:
"Find 20 rare or rarer salvage items on the Marathon"
"Remove a self-erasing drive from the butthole of each of the UESC commanders aboard and return them to the DCON within 25 sec."
"Exfil with a full bag (must be taken from another runner):

teal axle
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Iā€™m loving the lore so far. The whole concept of being a human ā€œRunnerā€ on earth or Mars and jacking into a Shell to run around on another planet to basically loot tech and valuables for a group of corporations is cool

rugged leaf
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have a quest where arachne is requesting an item called mjolnir unit blackbox, however its not listed under collectibles for any map so it could be cryo archive, which may mean theres a mjolnir unit/security officer in cryo archive???

glacial juniper
rigid burrow
#

i totally forgot about dmz.. that was one of the first extraction shooters lol

sinful thicket
polar basin
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Extracted with one of the Temporal Fragments, does anyone know what they do?

sinful thicket
#

Codex entry

stiff sleet
#

Unrelated, but, we could call Triages drone H.E.A.T.H

polar basin
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Do we know any lore implications yet, or is it all speculation?

stiff sleet
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Like:
Health
Emitting
Associate
That
Heals
or smth

stiff sleet
night rampart
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is the unsent missives valuable in pinwheel command wing supposed to have lore attached?

sinful thicket
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spoilers, but it at least it seems like during the alpha or server slam hiddenxperia was given the chance to do all of the contracts

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so if you can't do them yourself I guess you're not missing on lore if you're worried

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don't know of anyone else who's managed to do them yet, could even be possible bungie let him do them all with other players disabled so the lore doesn't get lost

hasty rain
rose yarrow
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Question for those of you digging into the Sekgen lore when completing contracts. Spoilering for people who haven't gotten to Parasitism 5/5 and completed it.

|| Does anyone know fully how the SIMbiont works? It seems that it is supposed to now be a part of your shell when you first get it despite the disposable nature of the shell itself? How do we still have if it we are killed and return to a new shell afterward? Did that process where you had to wait for it to acclimatize while fighting off the UESC give it time to upload code to your consciousness stored off world or some such??" ||

night rampart
visual narwhal
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i think this game takes play in another time line of destiny? does anyone else think that or just me

cosmic pasture
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Two video feeds up on cryoarchive.systems'

visual narwhal
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?

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can u tell me more ?

livid lion
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The second one may have the ghostly digital remains of the Compiler we know is in this section of the Marathon

rotund stump
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also consider anything about the bungieverse invalid until confirmed otherwise excluding pathways toward darkness to marathon

woeful thorn
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Does anyone know a source I can use to catch up on the ARG? I was caught up on most of the stuff that happened the first day and have been busy ever since,,

timber basin
soft girder
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...So do we still need to do terminal runs?

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apparently not?

violet dew
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We will find out in 30 seconds

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But permiter is done

final tree
silk bane
rotund stump
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honest to god nucal might be a sad story at heart

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the optimization and philanthropy part always irked me

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did gus really know about the manufacturing processes of his products?

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no way he'd allow anything remotely called "post-consumer solids"

fickle oracle
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"What exactly are they testing in defence of TAU CETI IV and to what end?" Pfhor invasion

dusty vapor
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idk if this has been asked before, but is it ever confirmed where are the runners physically located? I know we are teleported to the raid areas, but there's just no way the runners are produced in Sol and teleported this many light years away, there has to be a few new ships orbiting and producing/vaulting shells and their loot right?

lavish lance
scenic summit
dusty vapor
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I know there's Marathon, obviously haha
But they probably don't have Sekiguchi printers do they

scenic summit
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All the Corps except maybe NuCal are unreliable narrators anyway, especially CyAc.

lavish lance
scenic summit
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Well, others are worse than CyAc but that's beside the point

wooden crag
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does Durandal saying "so many Marathons yet to run" imply a time loop or a time shift?

lavish lance
dusty vapor
wooden crag
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yes a liminal space between

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kinda like a dream state

lavish lance
scenic summit
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Its supposed to be some corporate dystopia where they're trying to convince you that selling your rights for cash is worth it and you have amnesia

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And I guess you're in some weird cybernetic arrangement where the corps are lying I'm basically certain

wooden crag
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trying to book it to all six access points by yourself is kind of a pain to do, doing it with rook and even doing it with 10 minutes left on the timer is cutting it close

lavish lance
sullen sedge
lavish lance
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But that is an interesting idea @scenic summit is proposing about it all being in VR. I would just be question what purpose of it being all in VR would be for the corps?

dusty vapor
lavish lance
lavish lance
dusty vapor
lavish lance
rotund stump
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yes it's a moon and a half wide, no there's still no need to raid it cuz why would corps drop us from a spot they don't know

lavish lance
wooden crag
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isn't it more so we're being beamed directly to Tau Ceti from some point on Earth since the exfils turns matter into atomic particles to travel faster than light?

rotund stump
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didn't you say we're dropping from the marathon lol

sullen sedge
scenic summit
# lavish lance But that is an interesting idea <@227934386337742848> is proposing about it all ...

In my opinion

  1. "Downloading your consciousness" isn't a thing. You'd die in the transition to data and that's not how the human brain works, so that's out for me and if someone tells me that they're going to try I'm saying no and running very far away. Its like claiming a Star Trek transporter makes sense in a hard science way- "realistically" you'd die when you're disassembled and then you'd be cloned when you're reassembled somewhere else if their explanation is taken at face value. Its just a plot convenience that sci fi transporters/teleporters don't kill people.

  2. Even if you could, you're risking the entire runner every time they go down to the planet to some mishap if the failsafes don't trigger. VR is safer.

  3. You'd be creating AI every single time you clone someone's consciousness into a body, and last time I checked we don't need to risk more rampant AIs running around. One is plenty for a planetary network as it is if left unchecked.

That's my take

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As to what's in it for the corps, more control which is a flexible way to take advantage of power

rotund stump
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that doesn't explain why mida and arachne's doing it

scenic summit
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Mida's a bunch of liars and arachne are religious about it

rotund stump
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and we have a mida contract having us graffiti all over marsh lol

lavish lance
sage lark
sage lark
lavish lance
lavish lance
sage lark
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How tf are we printed on the Marathon and now looking for a way there, as far as we know the shell tech wasnt even around when the Marathon launched from Earth

wooden crag
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it can't be VR since the theme with the shells is immortality and Arachne's purpose is because of that too, since "death" is no longer permanent but the Runner still remembers every past mistake and success

lavish lance
sage lark
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Good ragebait

wooden crag
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the question I think is "are we truly human or are we AI" which is a question proposed by Durandal

rotund stump
sage lark
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Literally

lavish lance
dusty vapor
wooden crag
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I took it :)

rotund stump
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no cuz genuinely where does it state that shell printing facilities are on the ship that we're tryna crack the systems of to get access onto šŸ’€

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don't tell us to look give specific dates

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otherwise it's hearsay at best

sage lark
rotund stump
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this ain't us being lazy or bsing this is conversational efficiency and backing up your own claims lmao

lavish lance
sage lark
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Misinformation literally

lavish lance
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Brainrot literally

rotund stump
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we're not at the obligation to get sent on a wild goose chase lol

scenic summit
rotund stump
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back up your own claim please

lavish lance
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YOU are the ones asking the questions lol

rotund stump
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yeah then give us dates šŸ˜­

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if you're using dates to say shell printing facilities are on the marathon then give us those dates

sage lark
dusty galleon
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Whoā€™s the runner in the reveal trailer?

leaden pollen
sage lark
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Lmaooooo

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Deleted it right away

lavish lance
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Based on the lore, runner shells are 3D-printed in orbit of Tau Ceti using advanced "WeaveWorm" and "Neural Sync" technologies. While the exact timing of the first shell, often referred to in Marathon lore, isn't fully detailed in the snippets, the technology for these shells was developed after the Marathon (a ship) left, as part of a 300-year advancement in technology.
The shell printing, or "bioprinting," is a 3D process that allows for the creation of runner bodies for digital consciousness, often associated with corporations like Sekiguchi Genetics. These, along with the "moths" used in the loading screen, are part of the Marathonā€™s, or simply "the game's," world.

rotund stump
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was that autofilter lmao

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oh

lavish lance
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found that on google for ya your welcome

sage lark
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300 year advancement

rotund stump
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was it gemini

sage lark
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After the marathon left

rotund stump
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this reads like gemini I'm sorry

sage lark
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Even your AI summary says it aint so

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Jesus christ