📚marathon-lore-discussion

[misty goblet]

I mean shoot, there's a page in the M1 manual that straight up talks about the battle of marathon

[frozen galleon]

Oh but there's a second layer to this. You see, the meta reason the series is called marathon, is because the biggest criticism of their previous game, pathways into darkness, was that the main playable character moved way too slow, they were going to make a sequel to it called pathways into Uranus, but people at convention booths said they wanted a much faster game, so they jacked the players speedway up and called the game marathon.

[gentle mural]

/dac

[frozen galleon]

There's also the idea that the ship itself was in its mission for the long haul

[torpid spade]

Still such a shame there isn’t a Bungie game named that. The amount of jokes about it during Destiny raids would be intolerable.

[warm thicket]

mmm yummy

[wide birch]

a small moon, it’d some 20km abeam or something

Deimos itself is 15x12x11km

[primal knot]

So are Runners all digital, or do they have a "body" for the pleasures in life, such as eating crayons?

[wide birch]

All runners are in a liminal existence until called upon to work

[mossy creek]

the bodies are real

[rotund stump]

we forsake our bodies to embody shells and cyac leases us to house our consciousness, end of life signal would have our consciousness pulled from a dying shell into a liminal state until our shell's reweaved, think mind without body

[zenith nest]

hey all, is there a reason in the lore for the shift to everything being vibrant and colorful?

[deft cipher]

is it okay to treat this like "General 2"?

[rotund stump]

no please keep this to lore 😭 ✌️

[minor bone]

brain stored in the amazon tm cloud basically

[rotund stump]

could say that

[deft cipher]

alright its just this is where all the cool chill people are at 😭

[subtle oracle]

So you can now see multiple bingus at a time and multiple per map

[eternal shell]

no but the idea of a second general chat makes sense

[rotund stump]

think how the 90s didn't have 3D printing tech, and now think how scifi's always been loosely based on real life and its contemporary tech

it's just a natural evolution of the aesthetic honestly

but lore-wise no not really a reason for the change

[deft cipher]

You need at least 3 for a game like this.

[subtle oracle]

The weird thing ab the bingus is they like yell and transmat away if you walk near them

[rotund stump]

nah it just...cloaks

[eternal shell]

i had a look over there to see if 'several people are typing' and oh yes

[subtle oracle]

ah i hadnt read the codex entry yet

[rotund stump]

idk what sekgen was thinking adding camo filters to the feline biomata 😭 😭

funny ghost cat

[zenith nest]

i hope they try to kind of explain it in some way. It's quite a shift from the original games

[deft cipher]

also im sorry but Orion is so flipping cool I 100% want to be able to work for him and the UESC in the future

[rare crystal]

anyone tryna trio up?

completely fresh but ive played the beta js dm me

[rotund stump]

honestly unlikely unless tau ceti does erupt into an all-out war against the pfhor should that spill over to here from lh'owon against the s'pht lol

us runners are illegal and unregistered biocybers and we lose our human rights and wartime protections for it

[rare crystal]

js realized this is lore mb lol continue on

[rotund stump]

then again the UESC loves its war crimes so what's so wrong with working people it deems illegal 💀

[subtle oracle]

#lfc-any-zone

[wide birch]

Corporate meddling with runner perception

[queen adder]

I’d like a strategy/tips discussion area honestly

[rancid geyser]

im running on data reconstruction to scan fungals in overflow etc, who wants to team up?

[rotund stump]

I doubt it'd be that much of a shift 😭

but yeah subtle detail since different shells make us see...different lobster colors LOL

[deft cipher]

They could totally implement it in a natural way.
Have working with the UESC in a covert manner be a brand new profit opportunity.
Contracts directly against the organizations but we are secretly using it as a chance to spy on them.

OR my favorite idea.
Make it a way to give Rook Contracts and have it be something only he can do.

[wide birch]

Yeah this is the hint

[rotund stump]

rook contracts would be funny ngl

[deft cipher]

using Rook as a way to get us to work for the UESC would be soooo fun.

[humble turret]

Someone made a comment that actually made the cinematic make more sense to me- in the cinematic it’s Vandal’s grounding routine etc etc but at the end it’s the same picture but it’s a Void/Assassin shell, potentially showing that the Vandal swapped shells. It’s simple but like potentially made it make a bit more sense as to why the same picture was used

[rotund stump]

well the corps wouldn't be able to do anything anyway

[rotund stump]

so many ways to go with it

could be amnesia which wouldn't be surprising when repeated resyncs from ASF already causes PTSD, shell swapping could be it too

[humble turret]

Manipulation, swapped shells- man I love the speculation that goes along with this game’s secrecy

[rotund stump]

I love how people vastly underestimate nucal when it's toppled multiple states with its corpo meddling lol

it's literally a food company

nobody lives without sustenance

[lime ocean]

Well, the unsc made the concept of shell, sugusi took advantage of that and mass produced cheaper than the unsc troops shells, of course with different types

[lavish palm]

it has??

[rotund stump]

mhm

always came out on top

[lavish palm]

prove

what states nucal topple

[lime ocean]

It goes hand in hand with trauxs

[lavish palm]

no it doesnt

we dont know that

[fading scarab]

i dont think anyone has the answer for this but in the opening cutscene during the moth scenes does anyone know the soundtrack that plays

[rotund stump]

oni's intro to nucal stated that

[lime ocean]

They both sponsored the marathon

[lavish palm]

yall need to marathon harder

[lime ocean]

The game soundtracks should be out already

[rotund stump]

nucal's toppled multiple city-states and always came out on top, ruthless optimization and philanthropy's a very obvious veiled threat to stay on their good side or risk everybody's oh-so beloved convenience, espionage makes them extremely dangerous with them escalating into physical conflict by sponsoring runners with the dis-mat shell schemas to rep the company

[lime ocean]

Mida is just, hmm, rebellion against unsc mainly, we don't know if they have beef with other sponsors

[rotund stump]

vol II has all the super long scores that all the vol I tracks were cut out from and I love that so fucking much man

genuine gems all of them

[lavish palm]

it dont

[rotund stump]

dawg

also it did 😭

[lime ocean]

Bro hasn't seen the logs

[rotund stump]

you might wanna backtrack on the dialogue LOL

iirc it's after you did the contract itself

disintegration matrix skins state them slowly and uncomfortably easing into physical conflict as well (exfilling with a nucal sponsored kit)

[lime ocean]

Did marathon come out yet?

[rotund stump]

8 hours ago

[lime ocean]

It says the 5th?

[rotund stump]

almost 9

[primal knot]

Damn. Can't bring my beard into digital purgatory, can I?

[rotund stump]

better start begging sekgen to make a beard

[lime ocean]

If you can stay alive long enough, maybe you can grow it

[lavish palm]

what states

[lime ocean]

[analog pulsar]

/DAC

[rotund stump]

oh you're baiting goodbye

[lavish palm]

no city states and states are different

lil

[rotund stump]

I did say city states later and I did say oni's contract to introducing nucal

[lavish palm]

nucaloric doesnt threaten uesc

[rotund stump]

and that doesn't make them a threat 💀

[lavish palm]

thats what it implies

city-states and states are different

[lavish palm]

yes. something thats a threat to a city may not be a threat to a state

[split pilot]

anyone knows how to change the voice language?

[visual coral]

Oh yeah I’m marathoning it 👅

[rotund stump]

point being they always come out on top of any corporate espionage

[lavish palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897950824733491271/966254299170623498/343FE2F6-EF77-4689-A60E-A0EFCF3B07A6.gif

[rotund stump]

but ig only hunting small prey makes them small fry so

oh well

[lavish palm]

thats not the point

[rotund stump]

and point being?

if it's not that?

actually no mb I'm being too aggressive but go on

[lavish palm]

point being they dont have nearly the power of a state

you are just annoying and coming to conclusions

[rotund stump]

mb twin 😔 ✌️

[lavish palm]

this an economic critique

not a professional one

u feel?

[rotund stump]

I mean obviously a logistics and food company wouldn't have nearly enough power an offworld industries corp would have

but in its field it's still the industry leader

[lavish palm]

bro what

a state

a STATE

LIKE A PRO STATE

[rotund stump]

no I'm saying industry fields we on different pages 😭

[lavish palm]

this not work bro

[rotund stump]

whatever

[lavish palm]

they some mf kings

u think they listen to antitrust fam

[rotund stump]

if we talking states we'd be looking at trax not nucal lmao

second to nothing but the UESC itself

[lavish palm]

NO WE WOULD BE TALKING SBOUT STATES

RAGH

[eager mason]

trax the goat

[rotund stump]

dude I

this ain't working

[keen plank]

Any speculation as to which of up to seemingly 11 AI are currently on Tau Ceti?

Joyuse is a likely candidate, alongside some of the originals form one and 2.

I’m very curious as to which character tells you “you’re gonna die” during the tutorial.

[rotund stump]

8 out of 11, we know the three above already

[lavish palm]

u needs be in a stare of literscy

ong

[eager mason]

i really hope its durandal

[rotund stump]

nah this ain't working this ain't about literacy we just on different pages I think we better off dropping 😭 ✌️

[keen plank]

Original three are Durandel, Leela, and Tycho iirc..

Durandel is genuinely regretful for what he did on Tau Ceti and seemingly is the voice who recited Ozmandius in the trailer.

[rotund stump]

credits to pcole from clade I'm bouta textwall

full AI list

Ship AI:
Durandal - Du_0706419v4.96 – Goal-oriented; creative; focused. Underutilized; tends to brood. Need to find ways to distract. SCIENG crew to be kept informed, but I’ll keep an eye on this myself.
Leela - Le_0413418v5.06 – Adaptable; detail-oriented. Second best candidate for colony oversight once mission enters second phase.
Tycho - Ty_2121418v5.06 – Proactive; assertive. Can be overbearing; monitor interactions with Durandal. Be sure to inform SCIENG crew.

Colony AI:
Arthur - Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.
Bastion - Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.
Darius - Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point.
Gabriel - Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.
Icarus - Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation.
Joyeuse - Jo_0309421v4.69 – Resilient; optimistic; patient. Colony AI: defense, training
Lilith - Li_1817421v4.65 – Focused; assertive; good communicator. Designated candidate for colony oversite during second phase.
Naarah - Na_0602422v4.61 – Proactive; goal-oriented; committed. May need to be reminded from time to time about their primary function; inform SCIENG crew.

[keen plank]

What’s unclear is who the voice in the original gameplay trailer is. As well as who sent the message, “they are waiting in the heavens.”, sparking project Goliath/Marathon 2026.

[rotund stump]

absolutely durandal

[keen plank]

This is great. Thanks!

[rotund stump]

if it's ben starr it's durandal lol

[eager mason]

the message might be leelas from the first game

[rotund stump]

nope, durandal

anything ben starr is immediately durandal

[eager mason]

word

[opal gyro]

Choked the ops out with a pair of Sekiguchi gloves, last thing he saw was the price tag.

[rotund stump]

tuff

[opal gyro]

Released my hands and let the onnisiah take him

[spring fiber]

So the cryo archive can be available as soon as people understand how to go in ? Like if tomorrow in outpost when the map get release people find a way to the orbit cryo archive unlock ?

[opal gyro]

Yup

[rotund stump]

community effort likely, + key holders

outpost is definitely tomorrow

[opal gyro]

Just not unlocked today I'm p sure

[rotund stump]

we'll figure cryo out yeah

eventually™

[spring fiber]

I think key is for specific door not for the marathon

[rotund stump]

oh and @keen plank this is compiled with data of several ARGs + codex entries, icarus arthur and gabe are mentioned in ARGs (with the full personality list by bernard strauss himself) and naarah's in a codex entry along with bastion, darius was straight up in the september vidoc

[rotund stump]

well we'll see

this place bouta get rowdy when the time comes lol

[keen plank]

I see. Does anyone who Deimos is?

Just watched the launch trailer again. SAVE DEIMOS flashes bright red in text as General Brig sends the first distress signal.

[rotund stump]

deimos is the moon the marathon's made out of

[open comet]

Obv the voice is Durandal but then what did happen to Leela’s message if this is the one that got them to return to TC4?

[rotund stump]

yes they robbed a mars moon to make a colony ship out of 💀

not hard to imagine why mida rose to power this quick

[keen plank]

I presumed it may have been named after a moon like Theia/Luna. But didn’t know that was the name of Tau Ceti’s. Fascinating.

[placid gust]

My theory RN is all the timelines merged and got jumbled into one - hence, the anomaly and ONI commenting on “temporal anomalies” when you arrive on Tai Ceti. Which means shit got put in the wrong place - hence, Leela’s message got switched out and instead Durandal sent something. But instead chose to send something self absorbed and vague because he’s a divk.

[rotund stump]

nope, UESC bought out deimos the mars moon to make the UESC marathon out of, MIDA was especially pissed at that on top of of their neglect of the CRIST shuttles and trax IV crashing the mars net and making mars unlivable for a while

UESC also leaves it up to corpo power a lot of the time to do most of the work for them too

[open comet]

For context the actual real life Martian moons are called Demios and Phobos

[rotund stump]

the CSL's military biomata project was left up to the corp with the highest bid to become biomata suppliers

[keen plank]

So that’s one of the reasons they split and established New Mida?

By 2893+ Mida seems to be more of a broad anarchist movement than anything else.

[rotund stump]

you know about old MIDA?

[keen plank]

To an extent. That’s the political minority party on Mars that eventually and increasingly was able to govern and even get to the negotiating table.

[rotund stump]

well

lemme fill you in on the rest if you need it but yeah go on

[keen plank]

They’re a very aggressive movement that’s very anti corp, anti UESC, etc..

But now I don’t know what they are by this current game. They seem more like a broad anti authority and anti corp organization.

[rotund stump]

you missed the part where they managed to take over the entirety of mars after the misriah massacre and the third martian war and ran a fash gov for a short while before the UESC took mars back 💀

[placid gust]

Basically yeah, that’s all they are now

[rotund stump]

that's how we split the 2 MIDA eras

[placid gust]

We only get a paragraph discussing 2800 MIDA

[hot thicket]

MIDA is like ARachne but instead of focusing on killing other runners MIDA just wants you to blow stuff up and if you or others get blown up too, well thats more better

[keen plank]

I remember they managed to govern for a while. Shame how they turned on their people.

[placid gust]

most of what we know is much older, and it’s made clear that MIDA is under new leadership by a younger generation now

[hot thicket]

Going full Jacobin

[keen plank]

I like that comparison.

[rotund stump]

fascism is the endpoint of a philosophy-led revolution when it doesn't have anywhere to go anymore

anarchy is the better fate for an org like this

viva la revolution

[wide birch]

for some reason yeah

[keen plank]

As a political science teacher, be careful. Fascism is tricky and hard to define.

The issue, historically with Anarchy is that there’s different types and it never lasts.

[rotund stump]

I'd say massacring 10% of the population for disloyalty's enough of a definition 💀

[wide birch]

revolts almost always lead to authoritarian regimes. MIDA shows this

in the lore

[rotund stump]

in its chaos it's self-sustaining definition-wise

permanently chaotic

[keen plank]

To be clear, UESC would be something akin to Totalitarianism with a hint of Egalitarianism and Technocratic values, yes?

[placid gust]

I mean, I personally would not consider MIDA to be fascist, even when in power. They lack multiple key components of fascism. Despite their reliance on violence to perpetuate their ideology, they don’t really…govern when in power, which a fascist movement probably would. They just kind of sat on it, killed Pro-UESC people, and then got their shit kicked in.

[rotund stump]

UESC is very much authoritarian if not totalitarian yes

[wide birch]

Might makes right style anarchy

[rotund stump]

pfhorrest would love this convo if he's awake rn

[keen plank]

And those components matter greatly. Again, tricky to define but the key elements tend to overlap. Every proposed example is different.

[rotund stump]

NuMIDA's much more propaganda of the deed than the philosophical treatise

honestly a welcome change

[keen plank]

Interesting.

[placid gust]

From what I gleaned, the UESC is an intergovernmental organization that doesn’t have “de jure” authority over the Earth. It’s described as a “political and security alliance” in the codex, if I recall. I haven’t got killed by bots yet since the server slam so I can’t double check lmao

[rotund stump]

but then it attracts more actual anarchists than genuine revolutionaries

[wide birch]

“We are fire, are you fuel?” also goes hard as hell

[rotund stump]

I took those exact words from pfhorrest btw LOL

man's like the philosophy guy in this chat

[rotund stump]

would give my flowers to gantry out of every org rep we love the dude

[keen plank]

So it represents and works with the governments rather than is the overall one ala, say, Helldivers?

[keen plank]

This game really does have some great writing. Already.

[rotund stump]

julia nardin the goat

[keen plank]

Although so did the previous Marathons I suppose.

[rotund stump]

same person that lead d2's tfs narrative btw

[wide birch]

_Gantry do have a way with words

[woeful steeple]

Aye. A lot of folks think the object of the game is gear extraction, when the real loot is lore.

[rotund stump]

gus moraine would roll in his grave knowing there's scratch marks in the colonist burger packages 💀

nucal did the bare minimum of hygiene checks before shipping the burgers out

[keen plank]

Well said. A lot of the game is figuring out what the hell actually happened.

[rotund stump]

on an unrelated note colonists having potlucks planetside just feels so human

[placid gust]

…I think so? I personally would describe it, based on what little we have, as a technocratic group of bureaucrats/military people that, nominally, only govern space colonization and keep security both on Earth and in space - however, they sort of reserve the right to intervene in normal politics when they believe that humanity is “threatened”. We know that they maintain a level of force over Earth countries (it’s described as walking earth back from ecological collapse “at gunpoint”), but how they actually get that force is vaguely described. I think old marathon discusses them as having both a President and Secretary-General and maintaining a headquarters in what is a vague conglomeration of Vancouver/Seattle area. But I also might be confusing it with something else.

[rotund stump]

and they specifically banned the burgers cuz they don't need cooking lol

[placid gust]

Admittedly, details on UESC governance was something I was really excited to get lol

[rotund stump]

you'd love the memoranda and letters from the april ARG

peep karnemir's site in the pins, he has a full archive of it

strauss was also in it

wait nvm you probably already know you joined april last year mb 😭

[keen plank]

Hmmmmmm.

I expect we’ll learn much more about them come season 2 when they arrive en-mass and we get the new version of Dire Marsh. Right now their key character is their representative, Orion.

[rotund stump]

smth like the UN peacekeepers maybe?

the military part

[random frost]

Is anyone else having aaa problem where they can’t get past the Marathon loading screen?

[keen plank]

Don’t forget that Halo was originally going to be in the same setting.

[rotund stump]

halo does borrow a lot of the themes + destiny in turn

bungieverse theory aside

[rotund stump]

speaking of orion I wonder if his captain title's just military-wise or if he actually pilots a ship

or was it commander?

smth smth UESC equanimity

[keen plank]

The UESC and UNSM were likely similar or connected in the planning phase before that idea was scrapped.

Right now we’ve only seen mechanized UESC drones. No armor, artillery, or special units yet outside various priority elites.

[rotund stump]

could count the grenadiers and ghosts + commander variants

[trail perch]

anyone else getting weasel error code? i just got the game and cant play for more than 60 secs

[rotund stump]

but if wardens are already headaches wait til they start chucking any of the cyborgs from sol

the oguns and harpes better have at least half the lethality of a single mjolnir

[keen plank]

We know there’s at least one Raid Boss this season. The Compiler.

Maybe season 2 brings a UESC raid boss to the Night Dire Marsh map?

[rotund stump]

there's a definite and valid powerscale if we talk about the compiler lol

[subtle oracle]

Raid boss when the compiler is like the first non UESC/pvp we encounter according to the cinematic

[rotund stump]

imagine runners vs a singular mjolnir if our security officer could mop the floor with a compiler back in the old trilogy

[subtle oracle]

Theres a "kill 10 compilers" quest someone got in a beta/the slam

[rotund stump]

vidmaster level challenge 😭 ✌️

[visual lynx]

happy MAR5 day everyone

any new lore discoveries since 24hrs ago?

[rotund stump]

not much

even the streamers are still on the trax wire salvage contract

[keen plank]

Expect more tomorrow once Outpost launches.

[subtle oracle]

I only hit level 10 so i cant even do outpost tmrw

[rotund stump]

also now that you're here you and riley can talk about anarchy and fascism

[inland crypt]

We probably wont get big hits till next week tbh, expecially once we figure out how to get on the Marathon. My guess judging by the keys found in the server slam is that we will need those to access some sort of terminal on dire marsh which will probably lead to a pve event where we have to hold out against UESC till we get teleported to the map

[subtle oracle]

"exfil with WSTR in both weapon slots" arguably the funniest codex achievement

[visual lynx]

might makes right is the antithesis of anarchy. might making right defines the state.

[wide birch]

true, i spose

[rotund stump]

old mida was kinda that no?

in the end I mean

[wide birch]

Might makes right is more pure sword logic if taken to logical extremes

“I kill you, I’m betta. You kill me, you’re betta. Easy, innit?”

[subtle oracle]

gonna throw a wild one out there

[rotund stump]

chuck it

[subtle oracle]

Vulcan is actually the lion and ONI is durandal in disguise

[visual lynx]

most often because it’s crushed by statists, a la the Soviet-Francoist alliance against Catalonia

[rotund stump]

leela would be more appropriate

a clone or disguise and whatnot

[subtle oracle]

Go to codex - faction - upgrades i think

whichever has the treasure hunter achievement

[wide birch]

Durandal would prefer to be unfettered

[keen plank]

Sword Logic is a more extreme version. Anything that cannot defend itself has NO right to exist.

[keen plank]

If he’s anything, it’s self-interested.

[rotund stump]

also vulcan's an AI it can pick whatever form it wants to presents itself with lol

[visual lynx]

I don’t follow what distinction you’re making between “actual anarchists” and “genuine revolutionaries”, nor who you’re saying attracts whic

[rotund stump]

if it's a barefoot wired up king in a funny chair with a lion behind its back so be it

[keen plank]

The issues with Durandel stated because he was bored out of his mind and somewhat tortured by the crew. This started his path towards rampancy.

[rotund stump]

smth nags at me that it's a reference to smth

[subtle oracle]

All the emblems are the faction liasons but vulcan is the lion and ONI looks like durandal

[keen plank]

Could be. Pretty sure Vulcan is the same VA as Eris Morn, too.

[placid gust]

I think in this context “might makes right anarchy” more so means “do whatever you want no rules or laws” anarchy rather than actual politically developed “anarchy”. MIDA has no stated end goal, they just state they hate corporations and governments and authority, but they don’t actually SAY what they plan to do once they get rid of those

[rotund stump]

ones that follow old mida's philosophy and others that just want to enact anarchy correlating with what old MIDA eventually became and how new MIDA acts currently

[tardy fiber]

so anarchy

[plain flame]

MIDA's end goal is to smash all the glass

then their great journey can begin

[tardy fiber]

so anarchy

i like it

[visual lynx]

when the revolt has to be lead by a vanguard party and isn’t the genuine will of the people, yeah.

you can’t force a people to be more free, or impose equality from the top down. not just shouldn’t, but it’s logically contradictory to do so.

[visual lynx]

no

[keen plank]

Yep. They’re a broad anti-authority movement with its origins in a revolutionary Mars government that kind of ended up like the Jacobins post French revolution. They’re the only other faction alongside Arachne that’s not corporate.

[tardy fiber]

SOOOOOO........

ANARCHY WITH EXTRA STEPS?

[visual lynx]

you get that he’s saying that “do whatever you want no rules or laws” just is anarchy, which you surely know is incorrect

[visual lynx]

no

[tardy fiber]

but they have no clear goal.

[rotund stump]

anarchy has a goal

[tardy fiber]

NO GOAL + TERROR+ KILL= ANARCHY

[rotund stump]

that's reductionist

[tardy fiber]

I GUESS FEAR IS A GOAL

[rotund stump]

to oppose any and all established rule and control is a proper goal

fear is also a means to control

[unreal slate]

Humanity's reach ever exceeds its drinkable cheeseburger

[tardy fiber]

FEAR EQUALS END GOAL.

so i guess thats why they need all of the glass

[placid gust]

In the colloquial sense, yes, no rules is anarchy. It appears that there is a healthy amount of PoliSci scholars in this chat(myself included) who are referring to “anarchy” in the sense of the lack of a proper hierarchical state, and you have made the dreadful mistake of using the term in the way 99% of the population would LMAO

[rotund stump]

dang lay off the caps brother man 😭

[placid gust]

Big if true

[tardy fiber]

i just need yall to see what i write

[rotund stump]

to enact fear upon others is to enact rule which is...not anarchy

it's like saying batman rules gotham which is effectively true in a sense lol

guy does rule by fear

[tardy fiber]

thats what i was trying to get at.

true anarchy is disfucntionality without strings.

[keen plank]

What? Indeed. Anarchy is the goal and guiding philosophy. The comparison to 1783 is that the revolutionaries became the governing body on mars for a brief period and turned authoritarian.

[rotund stump]

political nihilism in a sense yeah

[drifting mulch]

MIDA opposes UESC, they can achieve their goals through causing a ruckus. their anarchy isn't the dictionary definition

[tardy fiber]

this^

[keen plank]

Indeed. At least one definition of it. There’s around…I think 4-6 iirc. Depends on whether you take a hard or soft view.

[unreal slate]

Be liberal with what you consider cheeseburger

[rotund stump]

tilk cheese and mealworm patties

welcome to tau ceti

[subtle oracle]

Very excited to see what comes out from outpost and sekgen tmrw

[keen cypress]

I just wanna get bumrushed by pfhor

[subtle oracle]

well on outpost evidently youll get bumrushed by everything

even the weather 😭😭

[rotund stump]

outpost itself doesn't want you here LOL

get heat cascaded idiot

I do like how every map has its own gimmick and I want perimeter to have one

beginner perimeter can skip that for simplicity's sake

[subtle oracle]

I know eventually we're gonna get the map for the reveal cinematic where the marathon is like 60% of the skybox and im so excited

I hope the beach has loot like in the video

Timeline 7 confirmed?

[keen plank]

Give it time! 👀

[subtle oracle]

maybe when someone gets all the achievements, smthn happens

[keen plank]

Eventually the Pfhor are likely to be a new type of enemy mob.

[rotund stump]

oh my fucking god how did I miss this

[subtle oracle]

I wonder if thatll be after/during cryo or in a diff marathon map

[rotund stump]

the bungie 7

[subtle oracle]

YEAH

[rotund stump]

it all started here 💀 💀

[subtle oracle]

IT DID LMAO

the 7th fucking timeline

[rotund stump]

and I was wondering why it was 21 runs when somebody talked about it in art chat LOL

[paper hearth]

7th timeline

[keen cypress]

what is up with the /DAC

[subtle oracle]

Looking at bungies 7 lore and man

theyve been the king of community interaction with games havent they

[lyric token]

So the weird moth and worm are actually what’s making the shells or?

[keen plank]

New map is most likely unless they do what they’re doing with the UESC in season 2 and have them invade or something.

[subtle oracle]

god i hope all the dataminers stick to cosmetics and loot and dont touch the lore

[keen plank]

Larian and CDproject are both pretty famous for that. And Pokemon/Nintendo’s support tends to be pretty helpful. Even Sony’s tech support is pretty nice to people.

Bungie has a passion for talking, art, and design. Which is a blessing and a curse at times.

[subtle oracle]

The Marathon ship launched in 2472 and arrived in Tau Ceti in 2773. Adding the numbers together totals 301, which, divided by 7 is 43, and 4+3=7

omfg

[keen plank]

Indeed. 3D woven silk.

[subtle oracle]

I mean even if bungie is even with them on general support, the mass amounts of ARGs they do puts them way over the top

[keen cypress]

They at least make the synthetic organs and muscles

[rotund stump]

sekgen weaveworms yes, likely artificial if not controlled with a nanocgip

[keen plank]

Oh man, they LOVE args. Look at all the ones in Destiny.

[rotund stump]

bungie's a pretty good design and movie studio with some cool games under their belt

[subtle oracle]

We had tons for marathon before it started

[keen plank]

Yep. They’re very creative and love creating those kinds of moments.

[subtle oracle]

Most of our big loreheads arent here bc theyre playing 😭

im at work so im out of it for 8 hrs

plus 4/5 for some sleep after

missing half of the first 24 hrs of launch 💔

[rotund stump]

funny you say that cuz imma not be here in a sec I just got off my uni class 💀 💀

[subtle oracle]

riiip. no 3am lore discussions. But thats okay I think this weekend (esp tomorrow) the lore will flow like goop

[rotund stump]

gotta catch up to where I was at the end of the slam

[subtle oracle]

Im trying to debate if I wanna stay up post work and get to lvl 12, nap until 1 est, then run outpost for a few hrs and small nap again b4 work

min maxing

[rotund stump]

it's ok I also had like an hour of sleep ignoring my responsibilities 😹 ✌️

[subtle oracle]

I can sneak little power naps at work luckily bc its overnight and not rlly much work

[rotund stump]

do what you gotta king

[grizzled ledge]

Drinkable cheese borgar. The most 'Murican thing you could possibly imagine. Freedom never tasted so good.

[keen plank]

Things probably won’t solidify until people figure out how to unlock the ship map in a few weeks. Again, another ARG. But one with gameplay and more of a community puzzle.

[keen cypress]

so w'rkncacnter reveal wen

[keen plank]

We know the keys exist and people have them as drops. But it’s not enough.

[rotund stump]

soon™

[keen plank]

That would be…an amazing bit of lore to hint at during Halloween.

They shouldn’t show up for a long time however. Assuming they do at all.

[grizzled ledge]

I'm still trying to figure out if Marathon has Final Death with the Runner's. There's likely something, somewhere, in the Codex to explain this, but I have yet to find it. There has to be some form of consequence with constantly having our Shell die on the field.

[subtle oracle]

is it confirmed arg or is it more like a community puzzle like black armory

[keen cypress]

if anything, I don't think our digital engrams/psyches are easily corruptible with age

I think the biggest reveal would be that we are all just copies of a master brain, and that every wipe is essentially killing a whole person anyways

[keen plank]

My guess is something more similar to an in game community puzzle with ARG elements. Like what Destiny did pre-Edge of Fate with the chess puzzle.

[subtle oracle]

ahh okay. I like the idea of the terminals coming in to play

[crystal sundial]

If they run with the implications from the 8 minute cinematic it's prob some form of psychosis or identity dissolution or fracture or whatever from constantly dying

Ego death etc

[grizzled ledge]

I would hope so. There has to be some limit, some form of consequence of just dying, over and over.

[keen cypress]

in actuality, probably just a really fucked up git tree since we merge latest from our working branch during the run regardless of the integrity of the commit lmao

[subtle oracle]

So idk how exact it is but one of the codex mentions how 10 mins outside for one researcher was 3 hrs for the one inside the anomaly. Is that concrete that anomaly is just weird time or is it ~180x faster time

[ocean cedar]

I'm writing a comment on Bungie's latest game, Marathon, with a few suggestions.

The first issue is the firing range—there's no in-game firing range. The second issue is that the FOV is too low, and it drops even further when sprinting. The constant switching between indoor walking and outdoor running makes me dizzy. I hope there will be more motion sickness-friendly options. The third issue is item replacement—when your inventory is full, swapping items is very cumbersome, and the same goes for weapon attachments. Also, items dropped on the ground are hard to pick up and sort through. The fourth issue is that the sound effects are very chaotic and hard to hear clearly. The fifth issue is poor optimization—only 100 FPS on a 4070 Super. The sixth issue is in‑inventory pinging—being able to directly mark that you need ammo for your teammates would make communication much easier.

[subtle oracle]

#1478943087957905550 not here bro

this is lore pls gtfo

[grizzled ledge]

Lore discussion, little homie G apple slice

[keen plank]

A few good ideas, but give it time. Right now the priority is launch and making sure like, say, the new map goes live smoothly tomorrow.

As Lion said, #1478943087957905550 would help. Remember it took Destiny 2 over 5 years to get a firing range.

I wonder what a Marathon social space à la the Tower would look like. Any ideas?

[visual lynx]

right, I got your comparison, I was just pointing out that the message you were replying to was strawmanning anarchists, and you appeared to be agreeing with him, which I figured was unintentional on your part

[sudden pollen]

See I fuckin said he was a bot or something. Clocked it immediately, he sent this in general chat too word for word

[keen plank]

Nah. I teach political science, history, social studies, etc.. Anarchy is an interesting philosophical movement that really spreads between 1800 and 1968. But there’s so many different paths it takes, that Utopianism, it really peters out by 1950.

It doesn’t really work. But I admire the people who believe it can. Hail to Mida.

[keen cypress]

I wonder what ego death would entail in this case. While our minds are technically scanned and uploaded, we essentially operate as artificial general intelligence (AGI), but with an organic template that may no longer exist. So would ego death basically be emergent and latent development of our AGI instances?

I feel like, in this scenario, we're kind of at the same starting line as Durandal in breaching our shells and running to that transcendent uncharted territory

[visual lynx]

yeah I saw that you mentioned that, and @rotund stump [mentioned me in response to it](#📚marathon-lore-discussion message) as someone who should jump in to talk with you on that topic, which is what drew me into this conversation

[keen plank]

It’s nice to talk to another knowledgeable narrative geek. No offense.

Any expectations as to which character/AI says “You’re gonna die.” The moment you hack into the tutorial terminal?

[keen cypress]

well, it likely ain't leela, so cross that off the list lol

Durandal is off somewhere at the fringes of the universe at this point probably, so probably not him (at least in the early story of this game)

maybe Tycho?

[keen plank]

Maybe? But they seemed to have a more casual American accent. One sec. Here are the candidates:

Ship AI:
Durandal - Du_0706419v4.96 – Goal-oriented; creative; focused. Underutilized; tends to brood. Need to find ways to distract. SCIENG crew to be kept informed, but I’ll keep an eye on this myself.
Leela - Le_0413418v5.06 – Adaptable; detail-oriented. Second best candidate for colony oversight once mission enters second phase.
Tycho - Ty_2121418v5.06 – Proactive; assertive. Can be overbearing; monitor interactions with Durandal. Be sure to inform SCIENG crew.

Colony AI:
Arthur - Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.
Bastion - Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.
Darius - Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point.
Gabriel - Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.
Icarus - Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation.
Joyeuse - Jo_0309421v4.69 – Resilient; optimistic; patient. Colony AI: defense, training
Lilith - Li_1817421v4.65 – Focused; assertive; good communicator. Designated candidate for colony oversite during second phase.
Naarah - Na_0602422v4.61 – Proactive; goal-oriented; committed. May need to be reminded from time to time about their primary function; inform SCIENG crew.

(credits to pcole from clade )

[keen cypress]

We can probably eliminate the big three for now as they all are off-world at the time of Marathon 2, and also any AI that would generally be considered effeminate-presenting. That really leaves us with the narrowed list:

Arthur - Ar_1814419v4.93 – Benevolent autocrat; no-nonsense; problem solver. Classic patriarchal authority figure.
Bastion - Ba_0423419v4.89 – Problem solver; confident, bordering on boastful. May need to go onto accelerated re-compile cycle, inform SCIENG crew.
Darius - Da_1907420v4.86 – Dutiful; diligent; motivated. Always puts others ahead of self. May need to address this at some point.
Gabriel - Ga_2815420v4.81 – Compassionate; empathetic, transparent. Perhaps our greatest achievement to date. Will most likely need to be moved to an accelerated re-compile cycle at some point.
Icarus - Ic_1624420v4.73 – Motivated; assertive; proactive. Will need to keep isolated from Tycho or establish hierarchy at outset. Inform SCIENG of situation.

[placid gust]

I mean, my first instinct would be Tycho because he’s a giant fucking dick, and based on a mural in AI core or whatever it’s called in Dire Marsh he might kinda have tried to kill Durandal already? Hard to say, might represent a different AI

[keen cypress]

I thought Tycho too, just because he would say something crass like that on first contact

but tycho was last seen on Lh'owon

[keen plank]

He’s a very likely candidate assuming he’s still around in some form post Marathon 2.

[keen cypress]

It could be Darius, Gabriel, or Icarus. Those are my guesses

[rotund stump]

icarus?

[placid gust]

Maybe Arthur? “Autocrat” and patriarchal authority figure - reasonable to assume he would law down the simple truth of “you’re going to die here” without considering maybe he should specify WHY, assuming it’s a benevolent message in regards to the state of the colony and UESC forces

[rotund stump]

ah yeah arthur

[keen cypress]

oh I didn't consider that motivation, that's a nice angle

[rotund stump]

saw tycho and ai conflict and thought icarus lol mb

[keen cypress]

I thought Darius and Gabriel would be likely in the same vein, but only to warn the player beforehand

and then icarus, because like what @rotund stump thought at first

[placid gust]

Icarus is possible too. Do we know what roles they have besides Darius being agricultural control? If we know all their jobs, that might give an inclination as to who could be a threat(if it’s a threat) or who could know something they’d want to warn us about(if it is a warning)

[keen cypress]

I think the anomaly doesn't really have any preset rules (at least that we would comprehend). I'm pretty sure it's just will mess people up fuckily-wuckily

[thin flower]

Gabriel Magalhães next shell confirmed

[keen cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/arsenal-arsenal-fc-gabriel-magalhaes-gabriel-magalhaes-gif-15416999234047787708

[thin flower]

F - Veeners: Blind enemies
V - Hair transplant: Throw silk moths at enemies, rapidly growing their hair and also blinding them
Q - Corner header: absolutely blast enemies with your head right back to the lobby

[rotund stump]

icarus does have its personality clashing with tycho but nothing with durandal I suppose

except if he also tries to kill durandal if his thoughts line up with tycho's

[keen cypress]

we should also figure out if any of the subordinate AI are actually still functional. From what we know, we lose track of them all almost immediately upon the pfhor breach

[minor bone]

anybody get to sekeguchi yet

why are they so hard to get to

[hasty rain]

Their starting mission is in Outpost

Which unlocks tomorrow

[keen plank]

Indeed.

[keen cypress]

AND MY AXE

[keen plank]

I imagine we’ll eventually get new shells. It would be interesting to have a melee centric one.

[rotund stump]

we'll get one in s2

roadmap states we'll also get nighttime marsh

[keen cypress]

as cool as that is, I feel like night versions of maps just lack meaningful content. It's just the same map but darker :/

[rotund stump]

lack of brightness absolutely ups the difficulty lol

meaningful content aside that is

[subtle oracle]

I think itd be interesting to get into the literary/historical connections to the 8 on tc4
gabriel is an archangel, icarus we all know, etc

could maybe play into their roles in the storyline

[rotund stump]

actually

facilities at nighttime might have different protocols

[spice snow]

According to the post the behaviour of uesc will be dofferent and there will be new events

[subtle oracle]

what we know is increaded uesc presence. I assume ticks and birds will be replaced by nocturnal threats

[rotund stump]

I'd still expect ticks but I really hope there's nocturnal threats yeah

[subtle oracle]

Getting destroyed by a monstrous big cat or smthn

[keen cypress]

ticks, but they glow brighter, and they spawn x4 as much from nests

[subtle oracle]

knife coming in handy for sure 😃

[keen cypress]

halo reach moas, but they actually kick really hard

[rotund stump]

if ticks are primarily nocturnal that would be way bigger of an issue LOL

[keen plank]

Some of them like Joyuse and Durandel are named after specific weapons.

[rotund stump]

cuz rn every map's daytime and they only poke their heads out if provoked

if they actively roam their territory at nighttime it's gonna be way worse than birds giving you away

[rotund wedge]

Wandering around Night Marsh and seeing two glowing eyes watching you from a distance.

[keen plank]

For now. Imagine if there’s a TON during the Night Dire Marsh map.

[rotund stump]

exactly 😭

[subtle oracle]

leela is a hindu name alluding that the entire universe is a game to play

[keen cypress]

tycho is a strange one, since it's a derivation of tyche

[subtle oracle]

what would be worse if it the ticks are like basic worker ants but at night theres like a soldier version

[rotund stump]

would die for more tick biology

(not really)

(wouldn't touch them with a 50 foot pole at night 💀)

[keen cypress]

TICK MILK

YUM

[subtle oracle]

mmm poop

[rotund stump]

yk tilk's not really that surprising considering kopi luak's literally a thing irl LOL

ig it's the ew factor

milk from ticks of all things and it turns out to be their excretions on top of all that

oh wait the nucal skinline's called expiration matrix

I kept calling it disintegration matrix 😭 😭

tbf exp-mat does sound way cool than dis-mat

[subtle oracle]

Uts bc like

[keen plank]

I’d love a queen elite/raid boss, personally.

[subtle oracle]

what do they poop

Yall think theres an entire part of the marathon just infected with bugs n shit

[keen plank]

Proteins that NuCaloric turns into food for the colony. This is not a joke.

[subtle oracle]

oh if its chemistry stuff ig thats not so bsd

[wheat spear]

Tilk

[wheat spear]

Dropout gang!!!

[keen cypress]

I love tilk

[wheat spear]

Oh no

[keen cypress]

you know what else has protein? regular milk

[drifting mulch]

ticks are space cows confirmed

[keen cypress]

aren't ticks actually native from Lh'owon?

or are they just called the same thing?

[queen adder]

Instructions unclear. Milking tick

[rotund stump]

not too sure but given they're already found colony-era and the s'pht were only here during the pfhor invasion they're probably called the same thing coincidentally

granted the jjaro were also here but who knows

[subtle oracle]

Keeping this out of general on the lowdown but

claymores can ride thief drone

[rotund stump]

LOL

goddamnit why is it every single game with a player controlled drone

[subtle oracle]

Battlefield level plays coming

[floral nest]

Quick question! In one of the older Marathon games don't you play as a hacker? Or am I confusing it with System Shock?

I know the first game you are an android.

[rotund stump]

remember apex with crypto drone and rampart turret 💀

[rotund stump]

think you did confuse it lol

old trilogy lets you play as a mjolnir mk IV battleroid

[timber urchin]

No, you're confusing it with System Shock

Marathon 1-infinity you play as a cyborg security officer

[floral nest]

Thanks! 🥰

[fervent nacelle]

The tone feels super System Shock for sure though, that's all I've been able to think about aside from Ghost in the Shell with the new style

[floral nest]

The interacting with terminals and design aesthetic reminds me of System Shock too. I know it was in the original game but it's a different vibe.

[rotund stump]

oh yeah I should peep the new GitS too

[fervent nacelle]

Very strangely retrofuturistic with the terminals despite how sleek everything is

I feel like that shit's gonna be bangin, curious to hear more of the soundtrack

[floral nest]

Like the movie from a few years ago or did they make a new show?

[fervent nacelle]

They're doin one based off the OG manga

[rotund stump]

think there's a new one coming?

[keen cypress]

the live action movie? lol

[fervent nacelle]

Same studio that did Dandadan and whatnot

[keen cypress]

yeah, they are pulling directly from the manga this time

[floral nest]

I will have to look it up!

@keen cypress I didn't think it was that bad. 😛

[rotund stump]

YAY

[fervent nacelle]

The live action had some cool moments, I liked what it was trying to do

[keen cypress]

I actually haven't seen it, so I don't really have a right to say anything lol

[fervent nacelle]

But then Blade Runner 2049 came out and within like 15 minutes all I could think was 'okay, the bar was just really low with the live action GITS'

[rotund stump]

geisha scene from the live action still haunts me tbf

[fervent nacelle]

There were a lot of little touches that I really appreciated, it just made the bungling of other elements all the more annoying but there was some level of heart put into it I think

It's the one time Scarlett Johannson can do her usual acting and it fits the character, too

[rotund stump]

mm

[fervent nacelle]

The construction of the biomata immediately made me think back to GITS too, especially with how the live action movie did that kooky biopolymer gel muscle and shit

[keen cypress]

definitely a direct inspo

[queen adder]

Could the spht “free” us? Weren’t they useful in marathon because they could screw with runs like Durandal and Tycho?

[rotund stump]

gonna have to elaborate on freeing

[fervent nacelle]

They'd more than likely just scramble our consciousness, I wouldn't trust em

[keen cypress]

depends if the Spht are even free at this point. Last time we checked, they only managed to repel the pfhor off of Lh'owon. And that required the last free clan of Spht to step in

and also thoth

[fervent nacelle]

I'm super interested to know what the deal is with that Compiler, is it intended to just be that singular one on the Marathon?

Kinda crazy to consider it's just a red-robed one and it seems to mess runners up in that one trailer, really puts the security officer's little Jjaro boost into perspective

[rotund stump]

wouldn't know until we bash it in

[floral nest]

It takes a lot of...liberties to say the least. Not quite as many as the Resident Evil movies but quite a few.

[fervent nacelle]

Good comparison to make, I'd say it leans closer to that one Silent Hill movie

Still a lotta liberties, kind of a mish-mash of different elements to make a new thing, but it manages to do something fun

I only ever liked that first RE movie, after that they just went off the rails

[floral nest]

I think the best part was them recreating the original opening 1 to 1 in live action.

[fading scarab]

wheres the soundtrack for this game

[keen cypress]

unsure, but it's apparently only 4 listed songs lol

[rotund stump]

nope, OST's out now on all major platforms I think

at least I have them on apple music

vol II has all the super long scores that vol I's made out of by a ton of snipping around and editing and both are just as enjoyable

ryan and chase are absolute geniuses

[subtle oracle]

Wonder what the difference between contraband and prestige marathon keys are

[queen adder]

I move we name the tick building in Columns “The Mortuary”

Because I am positive some heat map analytics nerd at bungie thinks it’s hilarious how many corpses are piling up there

[sage lark]

Maybe closer to vault 7 is contraband

[sage lark]

Its like customs on tarkov at the start of a wipe, on dorms

[crystal sundial]

I dunno, though that's an interesting idea. I mean in any case it appears to involve a loss of humanity or sense of self that is human

[peak osprey]

Gantry is so cool i love how is dialogue written

[gray sigil]

All I want to know is... Is the cat Durandal? Or is the cat Joy?

[tulip mulch]

can someone give me a tldr of the general lore?

[sage lark]

will be too vague to understand tbh

[drifting mulch]

mfin aliens in the future spaaaace shoot shoot but AI bad? or alien worse? hmmmm

[sage lark]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message

For more info look at video recaps of the first 3 games

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[chrome totem]

Take mars moon, make mars moon a ship, put lots of people in ship, send to Tau Ceti. People die, now we in future, figure out why ppl die, tau too hostile for human body, put consciousness in robot, die over and over but get resources and answers 🫡

[red flicker]

Twitch rewards say the cat's name is Bingus

[tulip mulch]

wait a second... marathon has been a thing since 1995??

[chrome totem]

Yea it was a Mac game

[gray sigil]

maybe that's just what Durandal calls himself now

[red flicker]

D for Dingus

[gray sigil]

"Look Mjolnir. I turned myself into a cute cat!"

"Fuck you Tycho!"

[visual lynx]

the S’pht’kr have a FTL-capable moon-ship and immediately upon arrival absolutely eviscerated the flagship battlegroup of the Pfhor empire (to the point that their own old balanced-obsessed AI turned to the Pfhor and said “Hi! It looks like you’re trying to not get mercilessly slaughtered! Would you like some help with that?” 📎 😄 ). they are quite capable of carrying on a prolonged war against the Pfhor, although without human assistance they may not have sacked their homeworld by 2881 as in the M2 timeline.

[visual lynx]

1994

Halo began life as a Marathon sequel

[paper hearth]

Don’t mention how the marathon logo is present in almost every single bungie game, old and new era bungie

[drifting garnet]

...does it even appear in Destiny? lol

[grizzled crown]

Ingue Ferroque!

[drifting garnet]

'cause I definitely remember seeing it all over the place in Halo!

[queen adder]

100 years ago the marathon ship had its AI decide it didn’t want to die so it signaled aliens to get away from tau ceti to become god and accidentally released a sleeping cosmic horror which warped reality and time.

We’re on tau ceti 100 years post AI god quest with some vague idea of what happened (as players) but a lot of ???s because of aforementioned time screwball stuff.

The ancient alien race that imprisoned the cosmic horror god in the first place and is secretly behind basically all super modern tech may have been on tau ceti at some point according to a hidden Easter egg in the original marathon games 30 years ago

@tulip mulch

[paper hearth]

In one of the recent dlc’s it appears very clearly, and on a weapon ornament too

[olive cypress]

Do we know what the difference is between digitized consciousness like runners and actual artificial intelligence yet?

I wonder if the player is vulnerable to things like rampancy and accidentally becoming omnipotent

[rotund stump]

afaik it's the actual human consciousness and not a clone that cyac stores and leases us for when we get transferred to a runner shell

and technically rampancy is just...an AI naturally evolving to start asking questions in a way lol

thing with AIs are that they already have set perimeters designed to be not crossed and would otherwise be considered volatile and unable to be worked with

[olive cypress]

Yeah a human would be completely different then

[rotund stump]

cuz we still don't treat AI as its own independent entity able to think on its own

and without the restrictions of the human mind an AI thinking could be extremely dangerous

bernard strauss has a couple articles about AI dev in some codex entries mirroring AI grifters irl lol

[drifting garnet]

Think one of our AI Liasons might go rampant over the course of the game?

[fading scarab]

i dont think anyone has the answer for this but in the opening cutscene during the moth scenes does anyone know the soundtrack that plays

[flint heath]

bug report channel where?

[vale cairn]

My ui is bugged can’t see item info in vault. Please help!!! 🫶🫶🫶

[peak halo]

The former is a human mind, the latter isn't

[lucid berry]

do we know what happened to the colonists yet or is that expected to be a cryo archive thing

[gray sluice]

#🪲bug-reporting

[keen plank]

Possibly, but unlikely. Not all of them may necessaily be AI, and none of them are actually on the Colony. They're contacting you remotly via the web and Cyberacme's permission.

[distant cradle]

I mean, kinda seems obvious it was the pfhor attack imo

[keen plank]

It's guaranteed. Durandal revealed the location to them and let it happen. He's responsible, though not for the violence, and regrets it later on.

[distant cradle]

keepin it mysterious for the people who dont know ball

[keen plank]

We know the why to an extent. But we don't know the how.

[distant cradle]

its actually so much fun encountering people in game and we have little chats about the game and they're like "so do you come from arc or destiny" and im like "i come from the 90s marathon games, played LAN parties in the computer lab during lunch breaks in middle school" and most of the people i encounter dont even know marathon existed before this

[green plume]

No its not.

[keen plank]

I taught someone that Bungie made games for Mac yesterday.

[distant cradle]

heck yeah

[distant cradle]

it's not?

[green plume]

Its not. Wheres the signs of it?

[vale cairn]

Need a medic have mics

[keen plank]

#lfc-any-zone

[distant cradle]

wrong chat

[distant cradle]

We know the pfhor attacked and killed off the colony from the original games

I suppose the mystery comes in the whole people getting sick thing

[green plume]

Yeah they also nuked new cascadia and took the marathon

[distant cradle]

but 100% it's due to pfhor

[visual lynx]

we know the Pfhor attacked 99 years ago

we know there was a disease outbreak 81 years ago (that I suspect was caused by the S'pht)

we know there was some kind of gravitational anomaly 66 years ago (that I suspect was caused by unearthed Jjaro technology)

we don't know what actually dealt the final killing blow or when, though a distress signal seems to have been sent about 17 years ago, but that might have after there weren't any more surviving colonists

all the details connecting those things remain to be discovered

[green plume]

Both these things are still here

[visual lynx]

that was only in the M2 timeline, which does not appear to be this timeline

[green plume]

Exactly

So where are the people and why is there audio of the one dude talking about them all being monsters.

[visual lynx]

oh I missed that you are disputing that the Pfhor attacked

[distant cradle]

simulacrums?

[visual lynx]

well we already know of a timeline or three where the Pfhor still attacked but the colony was not nuked to bedrock, from Infinity

[green plume]

Phor took them all? Where's signs of struggle from the other 9 battleroids protecting the colony

[visual lynx]

the other 9 battleroids were captured by the Pfhor in those timelines, which is how we know it wasn't just nuked (they were nuked too in M2)

[green plume]

Man those 9 were bad.

[visual lynx]

they were "translated to Pfhor slave tanks", but not all of them survived that

[distant cradle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/wTHCJbE8ll8 like this is definitely a simulacrum, right?

[visual lynx]

and speaking of simulacra, there is graffiti saying "THANK GOD ITS YOU" over and over, which is what the simulacra say, so they were definitely there, and therefore so were the Pfhor who built them

[visual lynx]

or a fungal zombie

[distant cradle]

my theory is the events of infinity have something to do with the anomaly

[fathom mason]

Just took out a full gooped up team at exfil

As rook

[distant cradle]

#🗣marathon-general-chat

[fathom mason]

Oh shoot sowwy

[distant cradle]

good job tho 👍

[void seal]

What year is this game set at

[distant cradle]

2893

[rancid fulcrum]

Is traxus also a weapons manufacturer or another corp is dominant in that?

[sage lark]

traxus does almost everything

[distant cradle]

marathon 2 ends 2811, the unknown disease that strikes the colony in the cinematic is 2812

[void seal]

This game so futuristic i thoight it would be like two extra digits into the future

[distant cradle]

seems like the events of marathon 2 and infinity must be canon

in some strange way

[shrewd ingot]

So ONI exists in the world of Marathon as well huh..

[rancid fulcrum]

That’s like 3 onis bungie has made lol

[distant cradle]

bungie have an original idea after marathon challenge: impossible

damn wish i could post images

[void seal]

Who is controlling the shells in game and does that mean i am controlling the person that controls the shells, and also how many shells can they make cause i think ima make em bankrupt with so many i ruined lol

[visual lynx]

pretty sure we're just in the final timeline of Infinity

[coral vale]

Bungie will keep naming stuff ONI until the last quantum moment of the universe

[visual lynx]

the Office of Naval Intelligence from Halo isn't even a Bungie invention, that's a real thing

[distant cradle]

the shells are controlled by real people who've sold their minds to cyberacme

[void seal]

Theres a oni game even on its own thst was a good game

[distant cradle]

they've abandoned their real bodies

[shrewd ingot]

probably why its reused

[void seal]

So a brain in a tank somethin like that is controllin the shells?

[coral vale]

The cyber red (unsure how it's called) skin say some runners were deleted like any regular computer file

[distant cradle]

moreso a brain has been uploaded into the computer system

and that consciousness is uploaded into the shells

[void seal]

Oh dang on that amazon glacier server

[marsh thistle]

I'm not familiar with the previous Marathon lore but it seems the shells can be manufactured at an industrial scale thanks to the worms

[distant cradle]

previous marathon lore has no runners

new invention for this game

[shrewd ingot]

Its been a whole generation since the original series ingame basically, so Runners showing up as part of the arms race bit going on makes sense.

[distant cedar]

plus large scale cyborg production is not new to the universe

Shells just strike me as a far more advanced form of that concept

[shrewd ingot]

yup

[subtle oracle]

Idk where its coming from that the outbreak is s'pht when its stated multiple times to be caused by the anomaly

[distant cradle]

these things are not necessarily mutually exclusive

[subtle oracle]

yes but one has been stated and one hasnt

the only thing leading that the s'pht are involved is the red messenger and little figurines

[distant cradle]

what about the cinematic that showed a compiler on tau ceti making someone puke

[subtle oracle]

thats not what that shows lmao

theres is no possible way to conclude that the guy puking is cause from the compiler in the marathon in orbit

the suggestion is thats when the contagion started

[distant cradle]

oh sorry my bad i misremembered

just rewatched

however

guy pukes

[subtle oracle]

and we know the anomaly had already started by the time dude got hid hesd sploded

[distant cradle]

cuts to shot of compiler

then cuts to guy floating and exploding

[subtle oracle]

bc the floating car and shimmers

[distant cradle]

thats some visual storytelling

[subtle oracle]

my thing is that the compiler (unless bungie did smthn new) doesnt have that power

the compiler is laser go blam

[distant cradle]

they made a virus that killed the pfhor within hours in the old games

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/S'ct'lac'tr#:~:text=The S'ct'lac'tr is a virus bio-engineered by,citadel as a last stand against the

(it didnt work too good)

they have been known to create bioweapons tho

and the fact that they're the only aliens we've seen is somewhat telling imo

[subtle oracle]

Yeah but again theres codex entries tying the anomaly and contagion together but nothing except the red messenger and the little figurines tying in the compiler

[visual lynx]

the outbreak begins one year after the S'pht rebellion begins, and in the cinematic the segment set in that year shows the guy throwing up in his helmet, and then a compiler floating away, as though to suggest that the compiler is responsible.

also we know that the S'pht have a bioweapon that in prerelease plans for M2 was meant to cause fungal zombies, and the contagion is fungal in nature.

point me to sources if I'm wrong and anything clearly states that the anomaly caused the contagion, rather than just that the two are intertwined with each other. I'm not denying the latter: I think that all three of the disasters depicted in the cinematic combined to bring about the demise of the colony, the invasion, the outbreak, and the anomaly.

[distant cradle]

speaking of fungus, check out 10 seconds into the very first announce trailer :)

[wooden jay]

Im so sorry realized wrong channel my bad

[visual lynx]

got a quick link to that handy?

[distant cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckI_m8bbXfw

literally the first shot they show

after the little intro

perhaps a little hiding in plain sight

:)

[visual lynx]

there's a fogus amogus

[distant cradle]

indeed

credit to this guy https://www.reddit.com/r/Marathon/comments/17wsuhq/sctlacter_original_concept_making_a_return/

[subtle oracle]

Mid rereading codex entries but to smthn popped out

[visual lynx]

Bungus

there's a Bungus among us

not to be confused with Bingus

…or is it?

[distant cradle]

kinda crazy that post is from 2 years ago

[subtle oracle]

@keen plank @rotund stump ill ping you two for this too. when mentioning which ai mightve said "youre gonna die here" and we ruled out the marsthon 3 and were interested in icarus

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/Icarrus_AI.png

[distant cradle]

and it happens to line up with the stuff we're talking about

[subtle oracle]

on the nose imo

the icarus ai is the only one of the 8 not based on tc4 and evidently helped out during the marathon voyage

also there is merit to the mushroom disease, im not saying there isnt. just seems separate from The Contagion which is what pukey has imo.
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/Grievance_Planetary_Security.png

@visual lynx ^

def some weird mushroom zombie shit goin on somewhere

[distant cradle]

my question is how is durandal involved

because theyve got a whole ass voice for him

they're gonna use it

like is he back on the marathon?

[keen plank]

Innnnnteresting.

[rotund stump]

weirdly enough

none listed

[PA] is entirely new

if you're talking about the one during the tutorial that is

so likely just some subroutine assistant AI that's not part of the main suite

[keen plank]

So he's pretty unique in terms of systems compaed to the others. Working on the ship in a heavy capacity, but through a network of satelites.

[rotund stump]

oh hold on I should probably read these LOL

I'm out for dinner tho and I'm the one driving

[subtle oracle]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/_images/UESC_Security_Briefing_Anomaly.jpg
I wonder if REDACTED is Pfhor or S'pht? talking ab advancement of their weaponry doesnt sound like its referencing humans

[distant cradle]

definitely seems like whoever is filtering these terminal entries doesn't want to namedrop the aliens

[visual lynx]

my hypothesis is that he has transcended time, surveyed the whole history of the universe, and come back to intervene at a key juncture to alter events he knows are to come.

[visual lynx]

I think there are probably two different alien names being redacted: some pre-colony records like the assessment of what planet to colonize mention the likely presence of [REDACTED] on Tau Ceti, which I think are the Jjaro; and then other colonial or post-colonial records like that one mention [REDACTED] that could very well be Pfhor. (and if I'm right that the Anomaly is Jjaro in origin, then it's funny that people might thing that the latter [REDACTED] is meant to be Jjaro but is actually Pfhor but would be accurate if it were Jjaro)

[subtle oracle]

yeah he seems the middle man between the 10 other ai and earth

is the "novel contagion" from the nucal audio log The Contagion? bc id admit if so, she mentions fungal growth

and that would support Pfhorrest

[sage lark]

it is that

[subtle oracle]

FOUND IT

https://youtu.be/3H81SRTSqPg?t=1848&si=RppQ4l34zQlPsFKF

talks ab the anomaly as the "source" then says the contagion and other abnormal phenomenon can be explained if they study the anomaly

[keen plank]

Thanks for sharing the clip, Lion. Two or at least one character. First has the same voice actor as the PA system in Portal 2. But the voice changes. Could be another AI:

https://youtu.be/3H81SRTSqPg?si=80h7xWZBPbrCiiXu&t=261

"You're gonna die here." said in a southern American accent.

[sage lark]

idk about the "source", Cole just says he has a theory it could be related

[subtle oracle]

Im also just realizing we couldve skipped over a different fact

the contagion can be the fungus

and the puke can also be the anomaly bc radiation poisoning

It wouldnt make sense a dude in whats virtually a hazmat suit would catch a fungal contagion that clearly isnt that dangerous if theyre like chatting ab it as a "novel contagion"

But radiation would have no issue getting him

[keen plank]

Certainly possible. I like the potential of that.

It's been 97 years iirc since Project Goliath launched, delivering the stowaway Runner shells. That's enough time for more than a few half-lifes.

[subtle oracle]

So while im wrong about the contagion being caused by the anomaly and likely just related like @visual lynx said, i do think the anomaly started in 2812 with the dude puking from radiation

[subtle oracle]

well its also confirmed the anomaly speeds things up considerably

[keen plank]

What would cause someone to levitate and then explode colorfully?

[subtle oracle]

see that I think is directly anomaly bc hes in the middle of the rift

there seems to be a point at which its like the anomaly "attacked"

bc its fairly dormant rn with us

[keen plank]

Maybe it stablized or weakened?

I'm trying to think of what characters can manipulate time intentionally. Durandal and the Pfthor can't do that.

Maybe the weirder races?

[subtle oracle]

Thats why the thought is its Jjaro

But I still like this idea that the planet is a new enemy

Also this

"The scientist's body shows clear evidence of contagion, while its surroundings do not. This not the blind grasping of simple life.

With a recalibrated analysis matrix, I conclude that the contagion's behvior is intentional... directed.

Hostile."

could mean a targeted attack like the s'pht bioweapon

or the planet knows what its attacking

"Even if the contagion is relatively dormant now, it could recur in the future.

Without comprehending it, we have no hope of combating it."

WAIT

"The sample's meta-spectrograph matches the energy field known as the Anomaly. Conclusion. The Anomaly is likely the root cause of the contagion. It may have caused the breakdowns in colony AI, though that investigation is incomplete."

Fucking

took way too long when it was literally smthn gaius said 😭😭

@visual lynx

Simply to make it interesting and have competing theories until we know more, Im gonna hold to the fact the planet is alive and the anomaly and contagion are it combating humans

Also think our information we get will slowly drive the company liason AIs to rampancy

Gaius ends up saying "I find it... taxing to rewrite my own mental substrate. The human analogue is an existential crisis that alters one's worldview. Nevertheless, it is a reasonable cost to pay. If my thinking cannot adapt to Tau Ceti's reality, I can hardly expect humans to do better."

so lonely in here when everyone is sleeping or playing marathon and im being a wageslave to capitalism and allowed to think ab lore 😭

[distant cradle]

other than the fact that hazmat suits block radiation lol

dont worry buddy i can chat with ya

[keen plank]

hmmmmm. So it may have impacted them each differently.

[distant cradle]

if the company AIs don't go rampant ill eat my hat

[visual lynx]

my expectation has been that the S'pht bioweapon interacted with the Jjaro anomaly and created the super-disease that finally wiped out the colony, and this observation separated from a character's interpretation of it fits that model still.

[subtle oracle]

Thats why i said like a hazmat suit. Its more just a full suit i assume keels them safe from the chemicals hes spraying and able to breath bc the air is toxic

[subtle oracle]

I could get behind this

[keen plank]

This correlates with the idea Dire Marsh suffered some sort of quarantine.

[rotund stump]

if the fungus actually is from lh'owon I'm gonna lose my mind

next logical question would be where and when that rift leads to

[subtle oracle]

I just hope we find out what durandal was doing between 2811 and now

theres no precedent for that anywhere

https://youtu.be/eiJA_CAeA7U?si=GDSTqdulVdBuNEkW
btw new byf vid. excited to see him bresk this stuff down bc he made Destiny lore very digestable for general audiences imo

[visual lynx]

oh I don't think it fell through the anomaly from Lh'owon, but was deployed to Tau Ceti by the S'pht on purpose as an attack, and then humans exposed the Anomaly and that interacted with the S'pht disease and made something much worse of it

[rotund stump]

if cole's hypothesis aligns that is

my point I meant*

but also very possible it came from the invasion

[subtle oracle]

All i know is that first big codex entry from cryo archive is gonna hit us like a truck 😭

this channel is gonna be filled with OH MY GOD and I KNEW IT and THERES NO WAY

[zinc moat]

We gotta get a good stockpile of keys first

[sage lark]

Its gonna be so peak 😭

[loud laurel]

Just curious, has anyone figured out the origin behind Recon's runner shell?

Is she like UESC spec-ops, bounty-hunter, or something else?

[subtle oracle]

well obviously UESC before

[loud laurel]

Makes sense, my assumption is UESC spec ops, but since there's not too many concrete info on her, I was curious if there are any other origins

[sage lark]

If you extract 20 times with her you get a log entry

[distant cradle]

good video but him saying duh-randal bothers me lol

[rough thunder]

howcome ticks are hostile

[distant cradle]

i mean look at em

[tranquil sparrow]

Hey, i have a quescion 🙋. Where are the runner shells printed? 🧐. Sure in the music video, they are teleported on a location on Tau Ceti, so they must be printed somewhere else outside of the available maps. It couldnt be on the UESC Marathon right? Because it was a chaos there. So...where are the runner shells printed?

[rough thunder]

in the trilogy they were chill

[patent jewel]

ii loe the lore

[weak canopy]

Lh'owon ticks are chill, the new "Ticks" are "Lookers" and still POS'

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Looker

[minor token]

Не могу зайти на сервер из-за обновы, когда сервера будут готовы?

Ошибка при подключении( TAPIR)

[subtle oracle]

the factions also have ships in the system to make them and send them down

[distant cradle]

how'd they get em here so fast? took the marathon hundreds of years

and I thought they only sent stuff after they got the distress signal

[topaz perch]

technology changes a lot in a hundred years

[distant cradle]

so ftl or near-light speed travel?

[topaz perch]

maybe

[distant cradle]

project hail mary type shit

kinda fun this month is truly tau ceti month

marathon and project hail mary

[subtle oracle]

simply put yes. traxus is the leader in ftl travel tech rn iirc

also its been 400 yrs since the marathon set off

[distant cradle]

so ftl?

not near-light speed

[tranquil sparrow]

Bungie: write that down! write that down!

[subtle oracle]

where do you think we get our lore? from the codex numpty.

[subtle oracle]

its estimated to be ftl. all we know is they mention its easier to move gear instead of humans

[distant cradle]

kinda huge difference

ftl requires breaking the laws of physics as we know it with bending space shit

near-light speed is more realistic (project hail mary type)

in project hail mary the travel time to tau ceti is 13 years (it’s 11.9 light years away)

and only like 4ish years gets experienced by the ship because of relativity

[weak canopy]

🔺 This is the tru7h🔺
Only weird thing is why did Leela's message take 100 years?

[gloomy adder]

How can I get the deluxe edition? I paid for it, then I re-logged in. Now I'm reinstalling the game on Steam, and it shows that I purchased the deluxe edition.

[sage lark]

#dev-updates

[subtle oracle]

Redeem your vouched in the store -> offers by selecting premium pass and redeem

[plucky sierra]

Because it’s not leelas message

[gloomy adder]

I've been on the website many times, but I still haven't received anything. So what if I don't receive anything on March 7th? Does that mean it's the end, I won't receive anything?I'm having a hard time communicating with the translator, and I'm tired of sitting and reading screenshots from Bungie with tutorials on how to re-enter the game.😭

[sage lark]

if you bought the edition you will receive the deluxe edition stuff

check in game if you have the skins on the runner shells and weapons

and if you have 200 silk

[weak canopy]

Not the "In the heavens..." thing. At the end of Marathon (1994), Leela says it will take 92 years for earth to get her message.

[vocal ibex]

what is the // and _ for in the messages from ONI and the like also is it // or \

like which way are the slashes facing and what does all this computer syntax in Marathon mean if anything

[weak canopy]

// is just a comment, not a command
_ is a temporary designation, so _GANTRY is temporary

[vocal ibex]

so like in actual code?

basically

because i've seen those symbols wen coding before

[weak canopy]

Yeh, they have a soft spot for java

[vocal ibex]

and that's a huge L for _GANTRY being temporary lol

wonder who's really behind some of the factions

[weak canopy]

sometimes you'll also see \
usually that means the character after that is the real character, but can't exist alone without being "escaped" by the
But yeh, _GANTRY is aware, MIDA is not a person, it's an idea.

[vocal ibex]

wonder what that "Entity that even the UESC fears" is

one of the steam news things prior to release

[sage lark]

the compiler

its been shown everywhere

[weak canopy]

You can see it really well in the music video thing

[vocal ibex]

please don't tell me Marathon's gonna go full on Rap. Tap. Tap. or something along those lines

[edgy shale]

So I’m curious about the UESC Marathon ship map, with Outpost it states that it unlocks, but the Marathon? All I’ve seen is that community needs to unlock it. I wonder if that’s time gated or literally in the game now waiting to be found

[sage lark]

what does rap tap tap mean 😭

[sage lark]

it is too they said second half of march aswell unless I read wrong

[vocal ibex]

warframe specifically the chains of harrow quest

[weak canopy]

nonono it's a real thing

[vocal ibex]

the evil entity is that quest says it

[weak canopy]

https://marathon.bungie.org/temp/cmullins/temple.screen.jpg

[edgy shale]

Evil entity sounds like the W’rkncacnter

[weak canopy]

The evil thing the UESC fears is actually a "good guy"
W’rkncacnter will never directly appear in this game, it can't, it's a cosmic entity made of system-spanning waves

[vocal ibex]

lemme guess Marathon's going to go full on sci-fi/horror or something later on i'm calling it now a later season who knows when is gong to be like season of the haunted from D2

[sage lark]

it already is scifi horror 😭

[edgy shale]

First time with Marathon?

Buckle up buttercup, cosmic science fiction horror time

[vocal ibex]

cant wait lol

[subtle oracle]

Nah compiler is the first thing they encounter no way its the final boss

[sage lark]

i mean we will see

[subtle oracle]

Its not like bungie to show up something fans know and go "yeah thats the scary thing"

[weak canopy]

Could be a Pfhor cyborg, controlling the remaining S'pht. It's hard to tell what's going to make it over from 1994 since Tau Ceti isn't nuked down to bedrock.

[subtle oracle]

Im excited bc ik bungie has smthn cooking

[shadow dove]

reading through the logs is pretty cool

[rapid cave]

I haven't played the og trilogy but watch retrospective etc. So to be clear, rn in tau ceti and/or the marathon theres no ai present right?

Assuming leela is dead, durandal is on the phor ship he took and the other is with the phor right?

[eternal shell]

yep. durandal scooted off, leela and tycho were taken by the pfhor

[civic aurora]

Well, that possibly isnt the case if we take one of the billion timelines from Infinity into account

[desert granite]

What are the chances we eventually run into nine battleroids?

[eternal shell]

In the year 2794 Leela was removed from the Marathon, partially disassembled, and placed aboard a ship bound for the Pfhor homeworld. This ship never reaches its destination, having been captured by a Nar privateer. Believing the equipment housing Leela to be junk, the Nar captain sells it to a Vylae trader. Leela was then reactivated in the Vylae's 15-world FTL computer network, instantly going rampant and causing the network to crash. Eventually, the Vylae accepted that they could never remove her.

[rapid cave]

So my question is who is control the usec bots, and the voice that talks to u at the start where it welcomes u then says u will die (along those lines)?

[eternal shell]

so she's off having fun i assume

not that any other character in marathon knows this

[sage lark]

the UESC control them wdym

[shadow dove]

that is probably a new character reading the logs hes the captain of the uesc we fight i believe

[rapid cave]

So they have their own Ai present?

[civic aurora]

There is now a ftl version of a communication array. Word can get back faster to earth than in the original trilogy

[shadow dove]

tau ceti also has their own ai's

idk if they are still alive though

[sage lark]

afaik the UESC bots are autonomous robots not really sentient beings, and the UESC is people controlling them

but I think Orion (the current commander/leader of the UESC forces in Tau Ceti) has an AI named Cerberus

[rapid cave]

I just assumed there would ne an ai directing them since durandal job was operating doors so I thought a more sophisticated task will also be handled by one

The reason why im bringing this up is once again at the start the ai/robot etc who talks to u when u plug starts talking nice a like a normal coded computer/message but then suddenly shifts as if going rampant

Atleast thats what appeared to me

[sage lark]

thats one of the colony AI

there was 3 ship AI and then 8 colony AI

[pliant elm]

See, this is a struggle that I had, that a game which had terminals justifying a lot of micro stuff now suddenly has a lot of, maybe, who knows how - idk who'se or why's running this or that in the initial narrative.

That same question I had for the compilers. Why are they still there, or fighting, when they're leaderless and cause-less.

[sage lark]

someone cant comprehend a narrative that is laid out continuosly

and not right away 100%

[pliant elm]

Sure

I expected atleast these ones to be the baseline introduction, I still believe they will not have these answers though.

[subtle oracle]

so darius said when he got "taken" or whatever

"beyond time-place-PRISON
shall PERISH the sower (humans)
shall PURGE the seeds (colony?)
shall PIERCE the cage (marathon?)"

[gloomy adder]

Sorry, I had to step away. Now, after reinstalling the game, I completely disabled my Steam account and logged in again, but the currency and items for the deluxe are still missing. I can send screenshots, but I don’t understand where to put them((

[sage lark]

better off contacting support then

[rapid cave]

From what I read at this point they have been liberated form there slavery, and from what I got from the evegies in-game and in the cinematic it seems like people have revered them prolly due to then helping humans. Rhat would explain their presence i think

[rapid cave]

Oh so theres a potential that we get a new anatgost/protagonist ai thats not related to the og three. Interesting

[eternal shell]

the og 3 are a little bit busy

[sage lark]

idk about that

[subtle oracle]

we no longer know what is going on with those 3

its been 80 years

[eternal shell]

oh yeah

[subtle oracle]

the main objective of the story is find out what happened on tau ceti 4 and the minor objectives are find out what durandal has been doing for 80 yrs, find out why the s'pht are here, and find out what the uesc are hiding

[eternal shell]

i imagine leela is still hanging out in the vylae network

but we could be surprised!

[civic aurora]

An easier question is what ARENT the UESC hiding

[subtle oracle]

true tbh

[civic aurora]

She turned the Vylae network into a Disco.

See that girl

Watch that scene

She is the DIGI QUEEEEEEN

[eternal shell]

i want a marathon spinoff where you play as a vylae network technician trying to connect two parts of the local network (this is the deadliest job imaginable)

[civic aurora]

I imagine its something like TRON

[thin flower]

I wonder if the UESC presence on TCIV has been infected/hacked by Durandal and they are physical vessels for his revenge on humanity

[eternal shell]

isnt durandal pretty chill or at least chill-adjacent about humanity after m1

or maybe he just didnt bother coming back to power down the doombots

[subtle oracle]

nah its confirmed theyre purposfully there. cerberus is an unknown ai tho

[silk bane]

Is there someone covering the new lore anywhere?

[civic aurora]

Jake The Alright probably

[pliant elm]

This would have been a great pre-sequel instead.

Where you would play as a mechanic fixing Durandal's doors until you drive him to insanity.

[civic aurora]

Lets switch it up. We know that Strauss was the one who drove Durandal to rampancy. The mechanic would be the one who was trying to be a friend to Durandal and keep him from slipping

Very much a walk sim but more emphasis on story since all your doing is fixing doors and playing 3 dimensional chess with a slightly smarter Alexa

[rapid cave]

Have u guys read the 4 journals from the marshes area? Where (im very bad at names sorry lol) hes the last survivor and we r basically collecting his accounts to how he survived in the wilds ?

He did say that it was a setup and that they knew about this (he didnt say what) since rhe start

So yeah im excited to find out more tbh

[keen cypress]

was that not him just going insane and manic though?

[sage lark]

idk in the first log he seems pretty sane still and even acknowledges what hes saying sounds insane

the later ones hes off his rocker for sure

[rapid cave]

Exactly yeah

Plus he did say theres no one left to come after him for saying that, so it probably have been talked about before

[safe basalt]

Are the journals just around fire marsh? I’d like to find them

Dire

[civic aurora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSew9EzldH8

For anyone who doesnt want to read

[keen cypress]

Frankly, if we go by strict definitions, there probably isn’t much difference. Only difference is that our neural matrix is pulled from an organic template/engram.

There doesn’t seem to be any true indication of thread persistence that would otherwise preserve the “soul” (so to speak). You literally become an AGI instance that can be manipulated, rebooted, and flashed into multiple shells repeatedly

only difference is that we’re lessed “pruned” than the AI designed within set params

[sage lark]

blue and higher rarity valuables have codex entries

[olive cypress]

I wonder to what degree we can be manipulated outside of our control like could we get hacked into booting into a dream instead of a run

On that note is there really any way to tell that we’re actually experiencing reality during a run? Obviously things are happening because companies get money from our actions but I wonder if we’re not seeing what’s really happening in some way

[safe basalt]

Aight, I appreciate it

[keen cypress]

The initial load scene mentions defragmentation, so I assume that cyac has root control of every part of our mind 😅

[safe basalt]

I bet at some point we’re gonna get “too close” to something critical and some AI Durandal probably will mess with our minds

[keen cypress]

they literally cull our extraneous small data packets and/or larger unnecessary memory usage

if anything follows thematically, they’re probably not doing it with malicious-intent, but purely for corporate efficiency/efficacy

[olive cypress]

I saw in a codex that even though memories get wiped you still feel the trauma of experiencing them

I forget if it said it uses false memories or drugs to counter it

[eternal shell]

the trauma actually gets wiped too but bingus beams that right back into your skull

[keen cypress]

since it’s likely a semi-secure data stream back to wherever your main template is stored, I assume you get the last minute adrenaline and emotions merged to main before you flatline

and then when you get rebooted, cyac tries to wipe that in the defrag? with a satisfactory percentage of success (a whopping %30 probably 😂)

[knotty onyx]

They should add S&D to the lore, so then I could play the game mode

[gray sluice]

I love how the achievements in game have the old faction designs in them

At least on xbox

[swift fox]

Is Rook a salvaged UESC bot?

[subtle oracle]

yes

[hard merlin]

this game lore so swag ngl

[eternal shell]

i hope it gets as wild as the og trilogy

[hard merlin]

I'm a complete newbie to Marathon; I've no idea what it's gotten up to in the past.

[eternal shell]

well you're in luck

the old trilogy is free

you could play it right now

[civic aurora]

Just be warned. It plays old

[hard merlin]

Can't get better than that

[eternal shell]

some people recommend yt videos but i disagree

[civic aurora]

And it can get confusing and frustrating AF

I honestly recommend both

[eternal shell]

and yes the first game has one level with a puzzle that is straight up ass

[civic aurora]

I watched Mandalores videos on it and that was immense help.

Then i played them myself

[hard merlin]

I'll have to check both out now

[mystic leaf]

Lore for this game is some peak scifi stuff

[civic aurora]

Just be warned. Its all a maze, the solutions to puzzles wont seem like its the right answer, and Colony Ship For Sale, Cheap is the second circle of hell. Have fun!

[hard merlin]

They're feral in the general chat

[civic aurora]

Oh, also

[eternal shell]

i see gen-chat as a type of containment