📚marathon-lore-discussion

[void condor]

they look crazy

[agile cairn]

Fuck the wraith warden

[inland crypt]

Woah this is new to me, never heard of a soup burger

[frail path]

Never got to try that trek burger in a can

[agile cairn]

That and soylent come to mind immediately

[agile cairn]

That too

Space food is also nucaloric food

[inland crypt]

Freezes dry ice cream?

[agile cairn]

NuCaloric just seems like a parody of existing companies

[agile cairn]

Yeah they look like NuCal food rations

[frail path]

I tried freeze dried icecream sandwich and it was shit from a butt honestly

[sage lark]

idk its just space nestle and big pharma

[vivid terrace]

all the factions are kinda parodying, its just real easy to see with NuCal

[agile cairn]

Most banana republics in space plz

[vivid terrace]

they got BuyNLarge energy

[frail path]

Oh is nucaloric a faction you do stuff for?

[sage lark]

yes

[frail path]

Okay

[inland crypt]

Thats crazy, I love chocolate freezed dried ice cream

[frail path]

I didn’t play much at all

[dull crescent]

do we know if the events in the marathon trilogy directly line up with this game or is this more of a reboot?

ie have the events of marathon 1 (and 2? idk) already happened by the time the runners show up to see wtf is going on?

[tropic rivet]

Are the compilers telepathic? It seemed like the triage was getting mind blasted by that compiler in the music video.

[sage lark]

rn community consensus everything happened but also didnt

we are in a 7th or different timeline

[dull crescent]

i heard infinity had some whack causality timeloop type plot device

[tropic rivet]

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey

[agile cairn]

They seemed to be connected

[dull crescent]

so fair, we're somewhere in the middle of "marathon 1 is full canon" and "something similar happened but we donthave a clue, frankly"

[agile cairn]

Yeah

[sly lynx]

Oh. Right. Marathon Infinitely did things....

[dull crescent]

gotcha, ty ty

[agile cairn]

They’re connected but separate from the story as well

Like it matters but also not

[sterile sleet]

Oh dudes at this hour tomorrow could be get it in 2 ☠️☠️😪

[agile cairn]

Catch it

[sage lark]

marathon 1 happened, marathon 2 technically didnt since its a failed timeline, and marathon infinity happened

[dull crescent]

wanted to know how much of a deep dive i need/want to do in the original trilogy vs not

[dull crescent]

lol, wild

[agile cairn]

Marathon 2 is Marathon Durandal right?

[eternal shell]

play all of it, it's the only way to go about it

[sage lark]

watch hiddenxperia breakdowns its like 90 minutes for all game together

easiest to digest

[dull crescent]

so we think durandal probably baited the phfor in 100ish years ago but we don't really know

[eternal shell]

nah nah nah you gotta play it

[sage lark]

yes

[agile cairn]

Damn that’s the one I’m playing

All for me to find out it’s not canon

[sage lark]

wdym baited

[frail path]

I was playing the first one and got stuck on colony ship for sale

[agile cairn]

Killing aliens is fun though

[dull crescent]

well all i know is he got into contact and made them come to TC4 so he could steal a warp ship

[sage lark]

he sent a message that happened to attract the pfhor

[dull crescent]

same diff yea

[vivid terrace]

CyAc: Your microsoft/apple/google proxy
Traxus: Blue Chip; mass manufacturing. Tesla, Amazon, stuff like that.
NuCal: WALMART. basically walmart
MIDA: pick a terror/freedom group
Arachne: Illuminati, that one alien ghost religion, pyf conspiracy cult.
Sekiguchi: couldnt tell ya

thats about all my proxy guesses lol

[dull crescent]

right, so we think durandal did all that 100ish years ago from the perspective of marathon 2026 but realistically we don't actually know what flavour timeline we're in yet

am i close?

[agile cairn]

Arachne reminds me of Kali Yuga dudes on TikTok talm bout sum nuke the world so we can restart

[dull crescent]

fair enopugh, so likely close to at least the events of marathon 1, with maybe some alignment with 3, but we don't know yet

good enough for me

[vivid terrace]

i still got chips on timeline bleed and durandal causing the anomaly; the Mad Sword that Cuts Tomorrow is sus

[dull crescent]

do we know that those are cnaon in this game? ie if it's a reboot or directly in canon

i'm not familiar at all with the events of infinity so i'll take your word for it

i will go see if i can dig those out

[vivid terrace]

hasnt been explicitly stated, but they seem to be following their prexisting continuity

[dull crescent]

i did a cursory bit of skimming around the wiki

[agile cairn]

Is the entirety of Durandal completely non-canon or just certain events

[sage lark]

I think youre looking at it too 2 dimensionaly

[sage lark]

basically yes

[silk whale]

In Marathon 1, Durandal says he called the Pfhor to Tau Ceti.... What if causing the anomaly was how he did that? 🤔

[frail path]

Lore is insane for these games and the videos are interesting to listen to

[vivid terrace]

oooo idk enough to validate this but i like it

[dull crescent]

possibly, just wanted to get a read of how in deptch i need to familiarise myself with the original games really

[sage lark]

its stated he sent out a message, the anomaly isnt mentioned in the og game

durandal wasnt even at the colony

[silk whale]

"A message" could mean many things tho

[sage lark]

now we are just making stuff up

[subtle oracle]

its very much suggested. S'pht being on there means Pfhor probably were on there. Again we dont know 100% but theres not really any other conclusions we can draw in attachment to the old gsmes otherwise

[dull crescent]

anyway is john halo still alive in 2893

[vivid terrace]

he doesn't necessarily have to be; just theory though. it'll unveil eventually

[silk whale]

Taking guesses, thinking out loud, wondering if dots connect 🤷🏼‍♀️

[dull crescent]

master chief, what are you doing with those coordinate cache cards
i need a weapon

[sage lark]

i dont mean rn, i mean in M1

[vivid terrace]

oh yeah, same base though you right i dont believe he ever leaves the ship

[subtle oracle]

This is an uneducated guess at best. from what we know, we can assume the anomaly is planet based, not marathon based

[sage lark]

also the anomaly surfaced in 2827 from what we see in the cinematic

by that time Durandal is long gone

[dull crescent]

what date is the pfhor attack in M1?

[vivid terrace]

right, although its strange that hes clearly...involved

[pliant granite]

Wasn't it durandal that was reading ozymandias in the reveal cinematic

[sage lark]

2794

[subtle oracle]

No the anomaly had already surfaced by then. The 2812 contagion was the anomaly also. The anomaly directly attacked in 2827

[dull crescent]

but the colony was clearly still functional when the anomaly hit, didnt the colony get destroyed by the pfhor?

[sage lark]

I guess you could say that but Durandal was gone in 2794 already

[subtle oracle]

Yeah i agree durandal likely had nothing to do with the anomaly

[dull crescent]

or are there 3 ish events that happen between the colony getting established and runners showing up

[sage lark]

no the cyborgs repelled the attack, in M2 Durandal or Tycho idk states it was nuked but it clearly wasnt

[vivid terrace]

theres that, runners have also gotten dialogue from the same voice on entering maps, there's several tangible mentions to him present though no concrete presence of him per say

hes got his fingers in the pie tho

[dull crescent]

ah i see

so the cinematic is probably post phfor but pre runners

[rotund stump]

not much specifically but by general demeanor that already automatically depicts them as some Very Not Good People lol

[dull crescent]

assuming the same continuity

[sage lark]

the optical array on the marathon will tell us a bunch

[rotund stump]

aside from throwing people in the anomaly and killing revolutionists on sight that is

plus neglecting CRIST drone maintenances for mars

and robbing a whole ass moon

[dull crescent]

right but we see the anomly happen, which presumably is post-pfhor attack

unless this is a different ocntinuity where it's all mixed up or ocmbined or something

[finite night]

Durandal says it was nuked

[vivid terrace]

it was paid for, loosely.

guess there's no defending it when there's literally a track dedicated to the feat...

a bop though

[rotund stump]

exactly 💀 💀

[subtle oracle]

At some point durandal came back between 2794 (the impact) and 2886 i think (esrth receieves message) to send out a message (or highjacked leelas) and now he actively communicates with us

[rotund stump]

imagine our moon getting converted into a colony ship by elon

[silk whale]

My unfounded, vague, total conjecture is just something, like.... what if there was, you know, funky energy down on Tau Ceti, Durandal up on Marathon being all crazed and secretly rampant pulls some kind of BS to subtly amplify it, to provide the catalyst... Maybe even with unforseen circumstances? IDK. Just speculating.

[rotund stump]

how many legends and myths lost and how much history screwed over

[finite night]

I know that

[dull crescent]

so i suppose the choices are:

• cinematic was post pfhor and we're directly after M1
• anomaly is related to the phfor or events kiling the colony and w'ere in some altered continuity

[vivid terrace]

if you're a destiny fan you dont have to imagine the hive were halfway there

[rotund stump]

aha, war moons

[dull crescent]

i guess we wil find out, be interesting to see where the pieces we're fed this year slot into the "known" continuity

[rotund stump]

(goddamnit xivu)

[sage lark]

its obvious the cinematic is post pfhor based on the dates, since the Pfhor were last at Tau Ceti in 2794

[subtle oracle]

basically. Post m1 and new threat or the S'pht are acting alone and the anomaly is likely tied to them

imo

[dull crescent]

this assumes we're actually in the M1 continuity tho

[sly lynx]

Now we are getting the Half life cross pollination I am here for with residence cascades.

[vivid terrace]

that creeping sensation when you realize runner shells are just hive morphs...

[sage lark]

we see the Pfhor attack in the cinematic

[dull crescent]

do we? we see explosions adn the anomaly

or do i need to look harder

[rotund stump]

I mean they're kinda more like guardians if anything...if the traveler regularly bills them for every rez

[mighty oxide]

Okay, someone give me a detailed summary of the lore as of to date. Please and thank you

[subtle oracle]

its not obvious. the Pfhor attacked in 2794. So either the impact is the pfhor or whatever our s1 threat is thats replacing the pfhor for now until they show up later

[sage lark]

idk the date is the exact date the Pfhor attacked

[subtle oracle]

check pinned

[strong perch]

what do we think the cradle is?
it says “new system” i take that as new gameplay system but what would it pertain to

[wise sparrow]

okay im writing it out will only take 23 hours will get back to u

[sage lark]

probably min maxing shell stats

[rotund stump]

or actually yeah functionally we'd be all the thrall running around hellmouth or wherever the hive's invading next 💀

[strong perch]

ooh thatd be nice

[subtle oracle]

not quite. iirc pfhor attacked july 13/14 and the cinematic says july 3rd right

splitting hairs but it matters

[vivid terrace]

people lived, they made stuff, they died, they stole a moon, some other people died, and pretty much everyone was done with dying so they cancel cultured death and made everyone immortal via the matrix.

also aliens.

[strong perch]

make a straight melee build

[sage lark]

it is july 3rd even in og

[silk whale]

I also had the thought.... In M1 Leela says the Pfhor are concentrating on the Marathon, not the colony... And then later (end of M1 or is it in M2?) we find out that the cyborgs defeated the Pfhor at the colony...

....but aren't those cyborgs, like, MIDA plants? Separatist infiltrators? So like, wouldn't the colony disavow them? Maybe the majority of the colony don't even know there was an alien attack - they just know Marathon went dark and there was some "bad stuff" that happened.

[rotund stump]

do you realize how hard this is for a 3 decade old title 💀

[dull crescent]

well, tentatively, but as said the anomaly is new

[vivid terrace]

hey now i did alright

[finite night]

M1 happens no matter what timeline

[vivid terrace]

i only missed the timetravel

[dull crescent]

i didn't say it was, but if it' sa reboot, it is possible

[strong perch]

it’s not Multiverse. It’s more quantum and quantum means you can do a lot more bullshit because no one knows what quantum actually is.

[finite night]

but it's clear that it's also not set in timelines where durandal takes SO

[eternal shell]

the timelines where you work for tycho would mean you stayed on the marathon, wouldn't it?

[rotund stump]

this like actually works and I hate it

[eternal shell]

so the first split would be near the end of m1

[dull crescent]

i'm not asking "is M1 the subject oof multiple in universe timelines" but "is marathon 2026 a reboot of the franchise or is it directly in the original continuity"

if you get me

[strong perch]

multiverse is just like the most basic form of quantum physics that everyone can understand

[subtle oracle]

then yeah its possible but the date being the same could be a red herring

[dull crescent]

the anomaly stuff is new so i guess we will have to find out exactly how much of 2026 aligns with M1's events

[vivid terrace]

best nametake

[sage lark]

events of marathon 1 happen wdym

[finite night]

yeah

[subtle oracle]

im simply saying while its LIKELY M1 happened, its not guaranteed

[strong perch]

in marathon, though, I feel it’s way more quantum because of the whole death thing. It’s basically quantum death you die and youre put in new body instead of “evolving”

[subtle oracle]

we literally cannot know until we get a codex stating the Pfhor are here or we see them with our eyeballs

[dull crescent]

fair enough. i dont konw if anything we've seen stands out as it being differne tyet

[strong perch]

A Multiverse is just “there’s a verse of you out there that has everything you want”

[snow heath]

Will the game be available at 12am?

[rotund stump]

likely lining up with the Bungie Reset Time™

so 2 am

[sage lark]

same time as server slam

[vivid terrace]

bungie loves an unreliable narrator; we know this. iirc there's points the ai's ltierally say the other one(s) is/are lying about something. So there's certainly wiggle room, but a world with waves that've echoed as far as these bad boys have, my bets on us seeing a lot lining up.

[strong perch]

and they’re very ambiguous with how they speak, leaving it up to the viewer or listener?

[subtle oracle]

My theory is on the 11 S'pht clans and 11 AIs being connected somehow and the S'pht are actually our physical antagonists now. i say physical bc i count the anomaly/contagion/TC4 itself as an antagonist

[dull crescent]

i think y'all answered my question anyway so ty

[snow heath]

I’m so ready to leave this prison we call irl for Tau Ceti

[finite night]

i'd say it's likely that it is a reboot of franchise while events similar to M1 happen

[subtle oracle]

its confirmed to be the same time as the slam. so 1pm est

10am pst

[dull crescent]

this is fair. i guess we will see where everything slots in

[vivid terrace]

what we've seen so far hasn't contradicted, merely added.

[finite night]

we will see in full release

nontheless M1 or version of it happens

[strong perch]

it’s not really going to be a reboot. It’s more like a new timeline in which they’re going to repeat the events in the new engine because everyone would like that.

[subtle oracle]

Bungie are masters of giving us just enough to ask questions and fit together pieces but never enough to see even 80% of the puzzle without making us go get the other pieces

[woeful ore]

just finished marathon 1 and ngl it was pretty fun for a game that came out 7 years before I was born

[sage lark]

tho it is kinda suss that they are kinda vague about the Pfhor attack

none of the codex entries explicitly said it

except maybe the Anomaly one

[woeful ore]

aren’t the ticks suppose to be pfhor

[dull crescent]

and if pfhor attack, how uesc ahve a captive spht that is strong enough to assblast runners

[strong perch]

probably kind of vague because, they gon be back… they gotta at some point

[sage lark]

no

[vivid terrace]

what directly happened to the colony was never really in SEC Officer Mjolnir 54's purview, so there's plenty to explore there. Durandal definitely didn't spill the nitty gritty.

[subtle oracle]

They havent said anything except compiler afail

[sage lark]

who said its captive

[woeful ore]

I thought they were the explody guys from m1

[dull crescent]

the hints bungie dropped about the uesc "keeping something in"

[subtle oracle]

like the 2023 vidoc they literally say compiler

[strong perch]

A lot of questions can be answered if we can see what ship durandal “is”

[dull crescent]

i've been calling them metroids lul

[strong perch]

for all we know he could just be on the marathon

[vivid terrace]

oh thank god im not alone

[dull crescent]

samus wouldnt be putting up with this shit that's all im sayin

[subtle oracle]

I still think the big bad hasnt been shown. The compiler is being shown like its this crazy deal but no way bungie would simply sppil its first boss. def a miniboss deal

[finite night]

watch it to be SO like how HL:A did with G-Man

[dull crescent]

fair

[woeful ore]

That Drinniol boss fight in the 7th cryo archive vault is gonna hit like crack

[dull crescent]

i don't know what any of these acronyms are
g-man for me is roboute guilliman LAMO

[verbal zealot]

Anyone know if there's a proper way to use if going from owning deluxe to choosing to buy the collectors edition? Or is it just, welp sorry bub just buy it (not that I'm complaining, I mean it's reasonable).

[dull crescent]

compiler is the 7th faction

[verbal zealot]

Just a partial discount would own

[dull crescent]

he sells needlers

[subtle oracle]

it purposefully feels like its leading us astray. Esp given its the first thing the team in the new MV encounters

[vivid terrace]

right, if you think back to D1's raid cycle, the first ever raid wasn't the witness. it was some timetraveling robits

[dull crescent]

otoh, directly after they get reset

[strong perch]

perhaps this timeline durandal doesnt take any pfhor or jjarro ship and just desires the marathon for some reason

[dull crescent]

so maybe its showing the boss and then season 2 boop

[sage lark]

its too sus

[verbal zealot]

I can't wait to get some mida contracts

[subtle oracle]

I more mean like they arent showing us Rhulk, theyre showing us the Caretaker

[vivid terrace]

i still want the predatory beasties in Night Marsh, but i cant shake the feeling defeating the one compiler is just gonna make them a more frequent world occurence.

[vivid terrace]

ahhhh

[strong perch]

maybe hes like hiding from the compilers and someone has to get his core and extract with it

[subtle oracle]

We'll def have some environmental enemy on night marsh. outpost has fire rain possible, i cant imagine TC4 is very friendly at night

[woeful ore]

I thought we were chill with the compilers bru 💔

[strong perch]

no, they are pfhor slaves, imprisoned

there are some free ones though but

[woeful ore]

mjolnir recon 54 set them free bru 💔

[finite night]

most of them yeah

[dull crescent]

good ol john marathon

[finite night]

some part of clan still not

[vivid terrace]

doesn't mean they like us though

[strong perch]

I hope we can. Maybe there’s a little secret you can do and then the compilers will fight for you.

[vivid terrace]

melty melty

[finite night]

considering how big that compiler is

[dull crescent]

ok but real talk are we in the myth continuity

and are the halos out there

[vivid terrace]

this is a good point. It does seem to be a bit scaled up from the size references were used to

[finite night]

and keep in mind that they are originally 2 meters (or slightly taller) just like secruity officer is

[dark latch]

Really intrigued how lore can play out. I think they can really do alot of story telling in small places that an avg person will just glance over. Bungie usually is phenomenal with that so

[subtle oracle]

It would be really sick if we end up having to fight like goopified John Marathon or a diff cyborg

[woeful ore]

mjolnir recon 54 must of been badass bro he was taking on like 10 invis compilers at once

I’m curious to see how strong the compilers are

[finite night]

54 is probably beyond this universe by now

but not doing battleroid boss would be such a huge missed opportunity

[woeful ore]

I feel like a battleroid would fuck us up

[sly lynx]

Probably weak Hp pool, but will fill our screen with EMP mess to stop our aim

[vivid terrace]

oh could you imagine though, that would smack

[finite night]

considering few of them was enough to genocide entire astroid colony (now tbf both sides used them and that's how they all died)

[subtle oracle]

I think not getting it now doesnt mean we never would. The UESC still have/make them so its not like theyll never show up

[sage lark]

also apparently the new shell in S2 will be called Sentinel?

[finite night]

all depends if they still have jjaro tech to put into dead bodies

[subtle oracle]

Oh they would but Rhulk was supposed to be this insane genocidal alien war god and we made him into a gun in d2 even tho we were horrifically outmatched

[livid lion]

A lot of people are unaware of much of the ARG’s input onto the timeline so here is it in full:
Sometime prior to 20/10/2795: UESC loses contact with Tau Ceti IV. Implication: Sometime prior kind of FTL comm system in use.
Then until 19/7/2797: UESC formulates a secret plan called Project Goliath (PROGO) to investigate/rescue/restart the Tau Ceti colonization project. It is ultimately decided to send the UESC Equanimity. Implication: The Equanimity has a top speed of .122c, naively 12ly/.122c is 35930 days. 19/7/2797+35930 days = 2/12/2895. this implies that the Equanimity has yet to arrive in TC.
26/5/2888: The existence of PROGO is leaked. Traxus, which has suspected but had no confirmation immediately moves to reach TC. MIDA zine says that Traxus and the UESC has vessels capable of “PUSHIN' ½½½ AG.” Implication: Ignoring relativity, de/accelerating to TC at 1.5g, 2sqrt(12ly/1.5g) = 2030 days. The peak velocity here is 4.3c. Starting immediately (26/5/2888) you get to TC 16/12/2893. This is pretty tight for our date so the actual acceleration is probably a bit higher but it works for our purposes. The UESC forces we see arrive by their own FTL vessel before the Traxus et al. vessel due to launching first.

[woeful ore]

in m1 you learn that 9 battleroids basically fended off a pfhor invasion from Tau ceti

[finite night]

it was scout invasion but nontheless

battleroids were outlawed after they genocided entire astroid colony

[sage lark]

so equanimity isnt even there yet

[woeful ore]

I remember reading somewhere that it was because he underestimated us and he only really started tryharding during his final stand

[quasi viper]

We're they outlawed or just heavily restricted and regulated, I don't remember

[finite night]

heavily restricted and regulated

you basically can say they were outlawed because those restrications are insane

obviously that doesn't mean uesc follows them as well lmao

[subtle oracle]

2795- TC4 lost comms bc of the impact. doesnt rule out FTL comms but we know FTL comms were a UESC exclusive due to the first contract
2797- Equanimity is there alr, thats why the UESC is there at all. 2888- yeah the factions learned ab stuff and said lmao you thought and showed up and dropped runners to do shit

[quasi viper]

The Geneva Annoyance

[sage lark]

what how would the UESC be there 3 years after the attack

[astral palm]

what do you think season 2 shell is focused on? shields/defense? his name is apparently sentinel

[subtle oracle]

Yeah so imo a like mind controlled, fungus madness battleroid would be difficult bc pure strength and ability but itd have little coordination and like adaptability

[sly lynx]

More drones

[subtle oracle]

I mesnt the equanimity is there at 2893 alr. so roughly a year earlier than planned

[astral palm]

i feel like too, a placeable turret actually?

[sage lark]

no it isnt wtf

[woeful ore]

would be really cool

[subtle oracle]

I keep typing 7 vs 8

[sage lark]

oh ok

[subtle oracle]

thats my bad

[hallow stag]

Or placeable perimeter

[woeful ore]

how have I never delved into marathon lore bro this shit slaps

[finite night]

iid mida tool gun in D2 mentions them being used as bodyguards for high profile UESC politicans

[agile cairn]

I wonder how the older fans feel about the lore now

The lore is rlly good

[subtle oracle]

Destiny 2 lore was alr so deep it took all my focus just for that

[agile cairn]

They put it in an interesting direction

[quasi viper]

Apparently a lot of them hate it

[agile cairn]

Why?

[livid lion]

The Zine says further “BIGGOV RDY TO GO YESTADAY.” Traxus in its 2888 chats does not believe it can catch up to the Equanimity but the story is well known to have been different then and the statements can be reinterpreted. We now have Orion introduced as a character, and a codex entry says they are in command of UESC forces. This to me implies the Equanimity has yet to arrive because if they were in control then her captain would be in command, rather than this person.

[quasi viper]

Old people hate new things

[agile cairn]

UESC tag… how?

[quasi viper]

I own a server

[agile cairn]

They needa lock in ts fire

[hallow stag]

Like 3-4 charges ulti, you set the points up, the perimeter closes, when an enemy enters it they get spotted and debuffed

[sly lynx]

They were probably not expecting the amount of gloss neon colors.

[finite night]

nah, older fans hate that game is extraction shooter instead of single player

which is fair I suppose?

[subtle oracle]

What UESC crew is the mayday audio from?

bc its not orions who is there now

But we know its uesc bc roger clarks voice is in past logs

and they were studying the anomaly

the uesc made it there way earlier than we originally think imo

[quasi viper]

I mean I, personally, have my crackpot copium wish. NuMarathon does very well, which funds proper and faithful remasters/remakes, which then funds a new single player game with online multiplayer

Haloathon

🥹

[livid lion]

I haven’t heard this audio, I know there was UESC audio in the beta that might fit this description but I don’t quite remember it

[finite night]

I'm not fan of remakes at all, i think originals aged perfectly

but when I think about remake of infinity

and mind blowing shit you can do with today's shit

[quasi viper]

A remake that's all 3 games would be enough to make me have faith in humankind

[silk whale]

That's what I'm saying tho about the UESC suppressing the truth about the Pfhor attack!

[finite night]

yeah I don't mind marathon trilogy remake if they will do infinity

[dull crescent]

we would need to know the acceleration of the equanimity too as it's subrelative so will need to turn and burn

[finite night]

you can do first and second game in one

but I believe infinity should be separate

[subtle oracle]

ill find it one sec

[winged lion]

Are the shells sexless? What kind of liquid is the blue blood? Do they still have internal organs like a normal human body?

[finite night]

infinity itself is already probably best written FPS

[woeful ore]

Isnt there like 7 alt timelines in that game

[finite night]

yes

it's one of rare cases multiverse and timelines stuff being done right

[woeful ore]

I just started m2

[quasi viper]

That's fair. I want to see a faithful remake because of the art direction we see now.

Bungie putting graphic realism into the classic games would make me feel like a kid on christmas morning

I think it would translate extremely well

[finite night]

craig mullins artwork in 3d 🔥🖊️

[quasi viper]

[vivid terrace]

sexless w/ design referential to male/female anatomy. ie. no reproductive processes, but triage & vandal are fem coded, whereas Triage is a more masculine base

presumably the blue blood is coolant but there may be an actual answer

[dull crescent]

liekly some mix of coolant/synth blood

lube

all of the above

[quasi viper]

JOSEPH CROSS DO YOU SEE WHAT WE WANT

[onyx falcon]

I still can't get over what they did with he compiler. Just full on cosmic horror goodness we're getting

[subtle oracle]

https://youtu.be/3H81SRTSqPg?t=1847&si=-ge-jeyygqQhxCDX
Heres roger clark beinf referred to as "general" (assuming UESC)

the mayday audio in this video (https://youtu.be/MXhQbF7TlbA?si=S9PpGBvkvovsj2uI) is the same voice actor as the general in the clip in the first link. So my assumption is he was UESC stationed there.
to your original point yeah Orion seems an impromptu commander but im not sure. The equanimity either has clones like the codex says or it has cyborgs and arrives next year 2894 which could be a year 2 enemy we face

[onyx falcon]

That cinematic was a John Marathon upscale

Lmao

[finite night]

notice how complier shot destroyer first

[onyx falcon]

Yeah that was a nice touch

[livid lion]

That the other parties have to play catch up at this time indicates that this wasn't taken into account at the time of making the ARG/original story. If it takes too long to get up to speed then anything that could be rounded to 1.5g of constant acceleration would easily catch it w/o the consternation seen in the chats. If it gets up to speed quickly then the distance is negligible. Really, all of the arrival dates are estimates because there are hidden details like exactly how far the writers considered TC at any single time (a single decimal point of a light year is a very big distance), but their relative positions are more easy to pin down.

[subtle oracle]

crazy unhindered thought
Craig Mullins designed runner shell named Hamish and designed to mimic the security guard from the og game in looks and abilities

[tropic rivet]

Will we the runners have to start dealing with rampancy?
It seemed like the destroyer in the animated short could have been dealing with it. This is kind of the reason I was surprised the shells became vessels for runners instead of characters, since you can’t really make the players experience trials and mental battles the way you can make characters go through them.

[finite night]

fist weapon whose damage based on momentum would be fire

[dull crescent]

we're not AI, so i doubt it

[subtle oracle]

I think this will be where sekgen or mida story starts coming in

esp when we meet durandal

[finite night]

not sure why destroyer doesn't have one considering he has pack that sends him in any direction

[subtle oracle]

Bc the cinematic runner shells seem VERY individualistic at times

[snow heath]

Does Marathon Lore support clans?

[finite night]

s'pht is split into clans

wait

ohhh

i get the name

[subtle oracle]

and yesh the destroyer in the mirrored fire absolutely gives "break free of your duties" deal OR heres a thought
all our shells have original purposes and Destroyers was for the UESC right? Maybe the shells have forced rampancy to accomodate a consciousness and thats his original UESC programming fighting back

[dull crescent]

it's not unreasonable to assume runners (mercs) have their own organisaitons/groups

[finite night]

door handle strikes again

[subtle oracle]

if im misremembering the destroyer shell lore then my point simply falls apart

[subtle oracle]

i mean gantry and arachne are runners afaik

maybe just arachne guy

charter

[livid lion]

This General Reed is on the colony (New Cascadia) prior to its collapse. His distress message is presumably part of the attack/collapse of the colony, not anything approaching the present day.

[dull crescent]

i imagine many major characters in this universe are transplanted conciousness at this point

its very cyberpunk

[finite night]

we had dev in chat

saying that uesc guy who hacks into comms is also runner

well "runner"

[dull crescent]

i do like that its basically soulripper 600yrs in the future

[finite night]

technically he is but uesc names their runners differently

[subtle oracle]

oh yeah orion is a runner not an ai

[dull crescent]

@ bungie get keanu to voice an AI

[snow heath]

So Charter is a shell?

[dull crescent]

holy shit its johnny silverhand

[tropic rivet]

Like each shell has their own consciousness that is broken so ours can rise to the surface. That’s a neat idea.

[finite night]

Sprinter

here you go or something like that

[dull crescent]

is this the diff between blackbird/recon or whatever these are? idk where those names came form

[subtle oracle]

Or their personality matrix is overewritten after acquisition to accomodate us

[livid lion]

It's a good find that that's him though. We will probably get some longer audio around that snippet from the trailer.

[scarlet vortex]

Recon is the depersonified name of blackbird

[dull crescent]

what does depersonified mean in this context

[vivid terrace]

i believe at one point they explained them as series rather

[subtle oracle]

blackbird is both the beta name and the like previous name of the shells yes.

[scarlet vortex]

means it makes the character sound less like a predetermined hero

[tropic rivet]

Recon is the skill set, blackbird is the personality and appearance.

[scarlet vortex]

even tho it still sort of is

[dull crescent]

ah i see, not like that the shells were ever their own being

[vivid terrace]

so you have the Recon Shell/Blackbird series

did i get that right devs?

the example i remember seeing was of Destroyer Variant/LOCUS series

[dull crescent]

oh i see so the names in the current build are basically the "class/role" but hte other names are more of the iteration/version/model of that specific shel

[finite night]

beta had shells with different outfit to my knowledge

[vivid terrace]

"DESTROYER is the model, LOCUS is the series."
sorry keyboard

[finite night]

not just recolor

so yes names are role/model

[subtle oracle]

i think they explain in the vidoc
https://youtu.be/jFzR8bN13FA?si=nMQwb-mYCI7txwJh

[tropic rivet]

Originally the shells were supposed to be individuals, like heroes, but bungie moved away from that narrative.

[snow heath]

Where is Michaela when you need them 🤣

[dull crescent]

ah i see

glad they did that tbh

[finite night]

it was black vandal with shirt from that trailer

[subtle oracle]

And also rip cyborgs coming back if destroyer is using modified mjolnir armor. That might be their battleroid write off

[finite night]

armor didn't do shit in battleroid tbf

it was just them being having genetically augmented muscles, neural implants and titanium coated bones and more

[onyx falcon]

I still think the old names were cooler, but they still seem to be listed as sub-names for each shell model

[finite night]

and SO had Jjaro tech as well

[livid lion]

[dull crescent]

SO?

[torn bolt]

The Security Officer from the original marathon trilogy

[quasi viper]

I have jjaro tech

[dull crescent]

ah

[neon viper]

This is correct. Think of Destroyer like the shell archetype, and Locus like a series of that shell type. There's a lot of lore in the Codex that you can unlock by completing achievements. I think someone might have gotten some screenshots during the Sever Slam on Destroyer with the official text, but if it's helpful I can give a high level overview quickly here while I'm drinking my coffee and getting ready for the work day.

[vivid terrace]

super interested, though i would hate to impose.

[subtle oracle]

JULIAS HERE LFG

[finite night]

I wonder why Locus has mjolnir armor

[tropic rivet]

I mean, while you’re here…

[subtle oracle]

That would be beneficial imo given its the closest to the original Security Guard we have afaik

[dull crescent]

does this imply the existence of other series of the same shell type we could use?

[subtle oracle]

do you mean different archetypes of the same series

[dull crescent]

yeah

CHUNGUS-series Destroyer shells

etc

i guess hte cradle feature they talked about might do something simialr

variant base stats or 2ndary traits or something

[stable tartan]

that means we're getting more than one series per shell? 👁️👁️

[subtle oracle]

I think the cradle will play into sekgen stuff

[dull crescent]

it implies they exist, not that we will get them, i suppose

[subtle oracle]

archetype per series. A shell is an archetype of a series. So like for fopd the flavor would be the archetype and the candy line itself would be the series

[vestal onyx]

I don't know if it would be too cluttered and bloated, but I think it would look cooler to have some of the nerdier lore elements in the actual shell selection screen and not just gameplay related info regarding the kit itself. The Glitch lore for example is an eye opener. Are all the modern Glitch shells we use still kitbashed together in underground runner labs or did the black market figure out a way to do it all in one print? Or did SekGen add an official "Vandal" archetype to their catalog?

[neon viper]

Destroyers were first designed by the UESC for aggressive conflict resolution scenarios but were banned from official military use with the passage of the Consequence of Violence amendment in 2879. Runners still produce them, though. They come equipped with a combat series codenamed Locus, which was trained on the live-fire experiences of UESC soldiers, giving it a depth of emotional clarity and situational awareness specific to the stresses and chaos unique to wartime engagements.

That's the voice you're hearing when you ping things. Canonically, syncing with a Destroyer/Locus shell would affect the way a Runner perceives and reacts to things as well.

Each archetype has lore attached to it like this, and each skin has lore attached to it as well in terms of the types of Runners who might equip it and what it represents in the universe or the larger Runner community.

[stable tartan]

my brain just broke hold up 💀

[dull crescent]

hmmNoted

[frosty crater]

OwO so thief is going to be some cool stugf

[subtle oracle]

Basically the series is the general idea, the archetype is the specific perks/uses

[proper robin]

I found the corpo vandal shell skins to be interesting. I should have read their lore.

[vivid terrace]

Thank you so much for the insight, this is incredibly neat and insightful.

[subtle oracle]

LOCUS is a battle oriented series i assume, destroyer is a defensive/movement based archetype. Thats what i assume

[dull crescent]

i love how cyberpunk adjacent this entire game is

[neon viper]

Correct!

You can assume Orion is using a shell that the UESC designed for him specifically, considering his rank, that's more representative of who he was before he gave up/lost his human body. There are perks to being an important UESC officer.

[agile cairn]

I wanna know too because I wanna crack destroyer

[agile cairn]

Why are all of the Humans using shells

[stable tartan]

and no i meant different series per archetypes, practically speaking, kinda like the legendary skins in ow, where like 99% of the original design gets discarded but still plays like the base skin

so basically you'd have a destroyer that is not locus but it's something else, but plays just like destroyer

[agile cairn]

Why don’t they just teleport to Tau Ceti

[vivid terrace]

Makes sense, is it lootable? 🤐

[stable tartan]

AH
i understood it backwards congrats me 🫡

[subtle oracle]

So
Archetype- determines usage cases
Series- determines how it was developed and performs
cosmetics- determines the finer personalities of the runner themselves when inhabited?
also is this why destroyers see the lobster differently

[stable tartan]

i have glasses but I can't read apparently 💀

[proper robin]

Wait huh? Was it the shell type that did that?

[vestal onyx]

the series is also cosmetic I believe. If they were to add a new gameplay style, that would be a new archetype altogether

[neon viper]

Series would have the personality matrix built in. Cosmetics are something a Runner would pick on top of that. Example: A Traxus-aligned Locus Destroyer would equip the Traxus skin to show loyalty to Traxus, but that skin doesn't affect the skin's personality matrix. It just reflects the player's preference. Traxus COULD develop its own series under the Destroyer umbrella, though. That wouldn't be called Locus.

[subtle oracle]

GOT IT.

[dull crescent]

it would presumably look a lot different to the current destroyer we know?

[proper robin]

Legit though, I love how Destroyer looks. It has a ton of aura. Unfortunately, he's the one that always gets bodied in cinematics 😂

[neon viper]

It would have a similar silhouette for readability purposes.

[proper robin]

I figured that would be the case. Curious what's coming down the line for alternate skins.

[dull crescent]

the cradle thing is v interesting honestly

[vestal onyx]

I think I missed the discussion on that

[stable tartan]

did they say anything about what it might be already?

[dull crescent]

not outside of that article

but the implication is some form of variants of your shells, i guess

[stable tartan]

🫡

[subtle oracle]

@neon viper so for clarity
FARM archetype = meant to farm
WHEAT series = meant to farm wheat specifically

[coral vale]

Tau Ceti is dangerous, why go there yourself when you can use a shell and not die permanently the millisecond anything inevitably goes wrong

[dull crescent]

which different series of the same archetype might encompass

[finite night]

Okay question, would be those supposedly Traxus series Destroyer skins in game? I assume they would be purple or higher rarity?

[dull crescent]

or not

[vestal onyx]

the mythical modular customization maybe? a lot of the shells are using action figure ball joints and hinges 🤔

[subtle oracle]

the traxus skin is in the codex.

[proper robin]

You unlock corpo skins by surviving a raid using their sponsored kit.

[neon viper]

It's a journey we want to go on with you guys. We're taking a lot of player feedback into consideration as we build things out, so there won't immediately be a lot of depth or variety here. We've heard that customization is important to you and are working on it.

[dull crescent]

waiting for the birthday party mod vs uesc recruits

[vestal onyx]

in another server we were discussing it would fit so well to be able to plaster a bunch of sponsor/runner sect decals on your runner shell, sort of like you see on race cars

[subtle oracle]

if traxus developed its own series, itd be a destroyer but would have different abilities. So like instead of a shield and rockets, itd have a cannon arm and a jetpack to fly for example

[vivid terrace]

Get on it community, you heard her. We have some shells to design

[neon viper]

It would have the same abilities!

[dull crescent]

mym assumption is that the cradle thing sounds like a way to tune your shells to your preference, m aybe better weapon handling at the cost of hp, or base move speed, etc, and maybe the dominant stat you tune changes teh appearance a bit

[neon viper]

Anytime we change abilities, it would be a different shell type, like the one we teased on our roadmap yesterday.

[finite night]

easy prestige or contraband skin https://www.marathonwiki.com/Security_Officer#/media/File:SecurityOfficer.jpg

[stable tartan]

funny you mention it as im listening to the trailer track 👁️👁️

[vestal onyx]

ahh 2023 runner confirmed for new kit and not just a shell series for recon

[agile cairn]

I was thinking they go try another colonization attempt

[subtle oracle]

so locus determines only how it was developed, not what it can do? So like if nucaloric developed a destroyer itd farm with a shield and rockets and wouldnt be a LOCUS?

[vivid terrace]

just a different matrix to better support what traxus specifically would value for the previous example?

Also Shell concepts are so much fun to do, very excited to see if people are correct about Sentinel helmet boy

[polar torrent]

Spill the beans, on what runner type is it going to be? The new runner I mean

[rotund jolt]

Wsg

[rotund stump]

OH my god hi julia

[dull crescent]

sentinel implies it might have some form of turret, point defence, personnel mine, or CCTV type ab ility

which is kinda cool

[coral vale]

I doubt any of the factions would want try such an endeavor before understanding why the previous colony got raptured

[dull crescent]

i'd love a netrunning/hacking type archetype too

[vestal onyx]

hacker archetype shell writes itself

[rotund jolt]

Do you think mars will be colonized this century?

[dull crescent]

ISS scale base, sure - colony, no

[vivid terrace]

i thought thief had some light hacking in their kit

[rotund stump]

any chance we get info about the original human bodies of biomata users?

[vivid terrace]

not that im opposed to a Sombra shell

[dull crescent]

nah just a loot scanner

[vestal onyx]

I forgor, I have never played Thief

[dull crescent]

i was thinking like cyberpunk style quickhacks

[rotund jolt]

Hopefully

I might main blackbird tbh

[stable tartan]

DAVID model```

[dull crescent]

bro edgerunner shlel would slap

[finite night]

that's just Locus with Traxus colors, I meant more if Traxus made their own Destroyer series, would it be purple or higher skin and answer seems yes

[tropic rivet]

I’m assuming only Sekiguchi is really capable of developing new archetypes, and other megacorps need to follow their blueprints, only creating a new series with a corpo specific personality and appearance.

[dull crescent]

you could slave turrets/recruit bots to you

[agile cairn]

Lol raptured

[rotund stump]

the jailbreak part was kind of a shock but not surprising consider the UESC's war crimes lol

[quasi viper]

When it comes to potential customization, are there any guidelines that you feel will remain unchanging? Shape language and silhouette is important in almost every game, and the Midnight Decay skins are in my opinion a nice glimpse into what further iterations expanding on that sort of design philosophy would warp and adjust to allow for more player expression.

[rotund stump]

also I figured people would just see skins as only skins not changing the entire matrix in it 😭

[rotund jolt]

Wait what war crimes 😭

[subtle oracle]

Yeah im saying if traxus made its own destroyer series, itd actively want to do different things. So UESC developed LOCUS as basically a soldier. But Traxus may develop it more as a Peacekeeper. Idk how theyd put diff series in but idk if itd be loot aka have rarity

[vestal onyx]

I still don't understand the Midnight Decay lore tbh. Are we supposed to pretend WE received that battle damage when we use those skins?

[rotund stump]

destroyer's a walking war crime machine first of all 💀

[tropic rivet]

*war criminal

[rotund stump]

UESC was planning mass deployment of biomata in military until the Consequences of Violence treaty hit and they had to shelf that idea and eventually the entire biomata force from public eye

[quasi viper]

My interpretation is that Midnight Decay Runners are almost specifically the kind that Arachne revere and worship.

[dull crescent]

also while we're here, what does MIPS stand for

[subtle oracle]

same difference under uesc

[rotund jolt]

In the new cinematic the dap up between Void and Glitch was clean

I miss glitches so old look tbh

[vivid terrace]

it is in fact pushing your shell to its limits.

[rotund stump]

destroyer's SnD's so effective it clouds the user's mind and blackbird causes psychosis in general cuz it's so much info pumped in the user's brain

[vestal onyx]

Right, so we do have to roleplay the battle damage a little bit and pretend it was us (since no one is printing pre-damaged shells lol)

[neon viper]

I'm not saying we'd do this, just coming up with an example on the fly as a hypothetical. Traxus could create a Destroyer that plays exactly the same as the one you've been playing in the Server Slam, but it's got a lion face mask and has a personality series called "Titus" that has different voice lines and SFX processing. You'd equip that skin in your Destroyer slot. All the same abilities, plays exactly the same, but has a very different vibe than Locus.

[subtle oracle]

OHHHHHHHHH

[vivid terrace]

good example for this.

[rotund stump]

same body different person type deal

[tropic rivet]

It would unify runners loyal to traxus.

[vivid terrace]

i'll be looking out for TITUS to body me with a shield and a roar

[stable tartan]

apparently if traxus wanted it to do different things it would need to be a different archetype altogether

[stable tartan]

Microprocessor without Interlocked Pipeline Stages like the sm64 bunny /j

[rotund jolt]

Do runners feel pain? 🧐

[rotund stump]

yes

absolutely yes 💀

[neon viper]

Pain is a great motivator.

[subtle oracle]

Those bastards arachne 😭

[rotund jolt]

Runners act so human like they cough and even breathe it’s crazy

[rotund stump]

did destiny's DER play a part in any of the conceptualization process for how runners act?

[stable tartan]

DOKTOR!! pls turn on my pain inhibitors :((

[subtle oracle]

To further this, do we as the disembodied consciousness experience death every time

[proper robin]

After all, why remake the wheel when you can use an existing design with a different personality matrix.

[rotund stump]

like how much can we base DER on runner behavior and side effects of biomata use?

[vestal onyx]

the old concept art had some shells with balaclavas and eyeliner/makeup reminiscent of what a Lion's eye would look like which I think was meant to be a Vulcan reference. You should tap into that again, it was cool. Something a bit different than just black and orange.

[stable tartan]

you mean even after exfils?

[rotund jolt]

I hope we get more cinematics by Alberto

[rotund stump]

but also sorry in advance if you're not up to date with destiny lore I'd imagine not every writer would need to be acquainted to the lore of every bungie title 😭

[subtle oracle]

I mean when we die

[proper robin]

I hope we get a cinematic where Destroyer isn't the first to get bodied every time lmao

[subtle oracle]

we dont always exfil

[stable tartan]

oh 💀

[neon viper]

Yeah! Keep telling us what sort of skins you guys are interested in, what sort of fantasies you want represented. We'll take it back to the team and jam on this stuff with them.

[timid falcon]

For the first time since Blue Prince, and for the first time for a shooter, I am going to be playing this game with a Word Document open to write things down and work things out. I am so invested in figuring out this mystery, so much so that I actually chose to stop reading things in the Server Slam so I could go into the full game with things to learn. There is so much more going on than just big bads, and I am seated.

[rotund jolt]

He is destroyed more than he actually destroys

[finite night]

Secruity Officer themed skin, enough said

[neon viper]

We'll make more of what you like, less of what you don't. Excited to see how people feel about what we're launching with tomorrow.

[tropic rivet]

So sekiguchi created the bio-synthetic shells, are they the only ones capable of developing new shell archetypes?

[rotund jolt]

I need more information about rook

[dull crescent]

as long as you keep leaning into the cyberpunk transhumanist themes i'm loving it

[neon viper]

Nope. Anyone can.

[sage lark]

Super excited for the narrative

[scarlet vortex]

Can somebody tell NULL transmitter to stop ghosting us and give us our reward please, thank you

[rotund stump]

sekgen's an industry leader not the only company (unlike a certain AI company starting with a C)

[vivid terrace]

not necessarily a skin, but now that i know Orion has a personal shell I do in fact want to the opportunity to extract with him and have Oni whip me up a new suit, erm i mean shell.

[rotund jolt]

The rook is so goofy omg bro is scared 😭

[rotund stump]

other companies can make biomata just that sekgen has multiple awards under their belt and leads the industry by a massive amount

[stable tartan]

everything runs on it tho >:(

[subtle oracle]

So would new series basically be like Deluxe Skins? like codex/basic skins change the color but you can get deluxe skin (ofc named series) and it changes the look of the armor, the voice, etc

[rotund stump]

monopolies 🙄

[finite night]

monopoly since first game

[proper robin]

Just stuff the entire corpse in your backpack.

[dull crescent]

yeah, or to take the league metaphor, legendary skins

[vivid terrace]

my wife and I are both super excited for launch though, you guys should be really proud of the hard work it took to get it to this point.

[rotund stump]

well shells were bespoke before the tau ceti craze

[subtle oracle]

but they developed the runners right? so theyre interested in how to advance their invention i assume

[quasi viper]

I have been very interested in gender-swapped Shells, as it seems like a reasonable gateway into player expression specifically. Knowing that specific shells can be so malleable both visually and personality wise is already something that instills a lot of excitement for me.

[tropic rivet]

Everything runs on cyberacme, or nothing runs at all…

[vivid terrace]

hey, it'll fit in my extra 24 slots im sure

[rotund jolt]

The astronaut suits on tau ceti were fire

😛

[neon viper]

This one's on our radar for sure!

[subtle oracle]

to add, gender neutral shells. Rook ofc but actual runners

[rotund stump]

yes for KAAL1 I think, that's the first animal biomata experiment

we love bingus

[vivid terrace]

Rook deserves all the good things.

[dull crescent]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/N5Q9Qb can we get militech recon spider grenade skins lol

[vivid terrace]

give Rook a bingus skin.

[proper robin]

You need a gold backpack and it needs the entire space to carry it. No ammo, no meds, good luck.

[rotund stump]

if rook ever gets skins absolutely slap him with stickers and graffiti him to hell

[rotund jolt]

Rook is a literal coward bro

[rotund stump]

punk rook would rock

[subtle oracle]

Oh are we allowed details on how factions reset? Will it wipe our upgrades to replace them and leave our levels or will you just add whole new upgrades to our old ones

[vivid terrace]

I love my ARES but would drop that homie in a heartbeat

[neon viper]

Can't say. You won't have to unlock them again, though. Once you've completed the onboarding that's not something we have you repeat.

[finite night]

if rook gets skins i'm pretty sure it's just gonna be different looking uesc

[tropic rivet]

That’s a good point. What’s rook’s deal? It seems completely synthetic. I can’t see the bio bits. Is the only biological element in the brain?

[vestal onyx]

nerd lore question: are the modern Glitch shells we use still kitbashed together in an underground lab by runner scientists or is it a streamlined production based on the MIDA classic

[subtle oracle]

alright cool so onboarding at least ty

[vivid terrace]

call me Nick Cage because im stealing the declaration of independence Orion

[dull crescent]

which one ins glitch?>

y'all using the old names 🙁

[timid falcon]

I would love to see skins and shells that lean more into "Industrial Machines Repurposed for War". At some point the colonists needed to fight, and seeing some of that desperation reflected in the weapons and tools and skins would be so cool to see. Like, my favourite mech is the RB-79 Ball from Mobile Suit Gundam, but that plucky and expendably flying coffin started off as a space forklift. It was refitted out of desperation to fight. The objects we see around Tau Ceti are so well made, and having them be in some way utilised by Runners as time goes on would really make me happy

[vestal onyx]

Vandal

[subtle oracle]

vandal

[rotund stump]

proto UESC shell, not too sure if it set the foundation for the patrols we encounter now tho

[broken zinc]

Wow @neon viper thanks for stopping by and answering questions, you guys have been seriously cooking on the narrative side and as a player who loves to explore worlds and read log books and lore entries I find (I'm a metroid prime kid) this game has been incredible. Looking forward to tomorrow!

[rotund jolt]

I miss the old glitch 😭😭🙏

[rotund stump]

but then the patrols we see are just drones anyway

[sly marten]

So is it just me or is the "In Death We've Just Begun" song basically a genuinely kind of bitter expression of the detached ontological position of the Runner and how they are exploited by the military industrial complex and turned against each other as disembodied mercenaries and incentivized to turn against each other like in the trailer? The more I listen to it and analyze the lyrics the more I'm convinced this is distinctly not a happy song.

[rotund stump]

but then also we don't know if they're remote controlled or running on their own programming

actually wait no they do

[subtle oracle]

Absolutely more gritty Craig Mullins inspired stuff

[finite night]

^^^

[dull crescent]

guys, it's just occured to me, what with shells being these half biosynth robots:

runners are bionicles

[subtle oracle]

YEAHHHH

[rotund jolt]

Do the runners run out of battery or something or are they just immortal until they break

[subtle oracle]

Or do they decay?

[vestal onyx]

toa mata.. bio mata... I saw a bionicle post on Joseph Cross' twitter feed once so I wouldn't be surprised

[dull crescent]

they require a nuburger every 48hrs

[vivid terrace]

runners decay, you can see it in game

[broken zinc]

I'm pretty sure they (runner shells) have an expiration date, but the expiration dates appear to be 1000 years into the future

[rotund jolt]

Man screw the Nuburger

It’s so gross

[tropic rivet]

They have to have an expiration date. Otherwise the corpos wouldn’t have recurring customers.

[subtle oracle]

@neon viper whats your preferred faction

[neon viper]

I have to head out for the day, sorry! Can't wait to see you guys on Tau Ceti tomorrow. Really, really appreciate you all.

[rotund stump]

who wants rat infested burger slop

[timid falcon]

Thank you! Sending love to the team from Wales!

[rotund stump]

love you julia keep doing what you do ❤️

[dull crescent]

shoot this guy first

[agile cairn]

For the shells, what material are they made out of? The Compiler killed them really easy in the trailer, but the protag took the out like they were nothing in the OG games. I would assume that human armor would be stronger decades after the incident

[stable tartan]

decay is something that's mentioned every now and then, i remember that oni sometimes says something about the weather accelerating silk decay or something like that

[vivid terrace]

thank you once again! best of luck with launch prep!

[subtle oracle]

Would love marathon to win a community award at TGA this year

[rotund jolt]

Plastic

[rotund stump]

synthsilk from sekgen weaveworms

[broken zinc]

Much love to the team!!! Thank you, you guys cooked!!

[rotund stump]

they usually don't decay this quick but popular theory is the anomaly disrupting this

[agile cairn]

What is the anomaly

[rotund stump]

given how runners are active in sol too with way less reweaving required lol

[subtle oracle]

yeah. the reason we have a time limit is the anomaly affecting the stress on our link but idk ab the shell itself

[agile cairn]

I’m confused I needa rewatch this lore vid

[rotund stump]

the Big Ass Rift™ in marsh

[rotund jolt]

I wonder what the anomaly did to that random guy in the cinematic

[tropic rivet]

That is the trillion dollar question.

[rotund jolt]

Like bro just disintegrated

[subtle oracle]

sploded

[dull crescent]

ios it reaosnable to assume shells don't last wihtout a conciousness implanted (or other life support in situ)

[sly marten]

For the runners themselves I don't think they are as shelf stable immortal as you would think as there are a lot of mentions of symptoms reminiscent of dementia in regards to memory.

[vivid terrace]

purple rain, puuuuurple rain

[rotund stump]

oh no absolutely not

[dull crescent]

what happens to a shell/runner when there's a mandatory windows update?

[subtle oracle]

I assume whether we're in it or not it can decay. but it gets beamed up with us

[rotund stump]

if repeated ASF resyncs cause PTSD then amnesia's not surprising

[agile cairn]

How does Destroyer take multiple shots then

[subtle oracle]

we go in the puter it goes to the shop

[tropic rivet]

I actually saw a corpse exploded and floating like this in dire marsh near the anomaly.

[vivid terrace]

can confirm its there

[rotund jolt]

Super plastic

[dull crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-space-force-john-malcovich-gif-8108491733214370090

[subtle oracle]

yeah right on the anomaly line

[stable tartan]

but then i wonder about the rook since it's more akin to an uesc bot rather than a synthsilk shell

[dull crescent]

runners be like

[tropic rivet]

Thought it was a tick nest at first.

[torn bolt]

Synthsilk*

[rotund stump]

also given our death rate's probably at least triple of the regular runner on sol it's a massively accelerated process of psychological decay

[subtle oracle]

i assume hes a repurposed uesc grunt which theres endless of

[rotund jolt]

It’s a joke

[subtle oracle]

hes more akin to recycling

[rotund jolt]

lol ok

[torn bolt]

My bad just woke up

[rotund jolt]

It’s okay zaddy

[agile cairn]

[sly marten]

There is something distinctly tragic about they're condition and I think Bungie must be doing this intentionally because "In death we've just begun" is way too sad of a song and too specific about the Runner condition in the lyrics for it to be all just a coincidence.

[vivid terrace]

well nothing to do but watch these cinematics on loop and conspiracy theorize ig

[stable tartan]

and we'll make more 🫡

[vivid terrace]

and design a toxin centric shell because i just want Singed from league, but as a Runner.

run after me, i dare you: the shell

[rotund stump]

well yeah compared to The security officer we're just a bunch of nobodies who got robbed of our bodies and rights hook line and sinker...if not willingly and for illegal motives lol

not great's an understatement of an udnerstatement

we will NOT be called god when we get out

if* we get out

[torn bolt]

Also how does Durandal fit into all of this

[stable tartan]

i think he was the one who wrote the somewhere in the heavens message

[rotund stump]

also I'm still not sure what'll happen when we take care of the compiler

[vivid terrace]

consequences probably

[stable tartan]

we come back because we're scared

[rotund stump]

if obedience matrixes actually are in all the ARS' heads the compiler collected it could be a massive reverse engineer project to call for help so either we prevent doomsday

OR

by killing it we're triggering some dead man's switch that calls for reinforcements anyway thus allowing doomsday

[finite night]

s'pht jumping on us

[sly marten]

I mean the security officer and the condition of the Battleroid is also tragic just in a different way. They are more embodied even if they both share the whole death loop thing. We don't even have a real body though.

[rotund stump]

oh my internet

pain

[agile cairn]

Ah, question. Why is the UESC using bots? Can’t they just use shells

[torn bolt]

S’pht start appearing on other maps?

[vivid terrace]

id imagine the bots are probably automated rather than piloted; simpler ai

[rotund stump]

well don't ask me 💀

[vivid terrace]

but idk for sure

[rotund stump]

us runners vs a singular compiler's like david and goliath so imagine us duelling against even a mjolnir mk IV and not even The officer

[stable tartan]

did you see how much it took to take down some of the stronger bots? 😭

[rotund stump]

actually no david wins the fight we're not david

we're the soldiers beside him that get knocked over like bowling pins making way for david

[vivid terrace]

we're more like david's lanky cousin, Davin.

[rotund stump]

davin gets fucking squished by a landslide when goliath slams the hill in pain 💀

[stable tartan]

this just made me realize cyberpunk edgerunners was literally david vs goliath ||but goliath wins||

[subtle oracle]

Peanut vs the elephant ass fight

[rotund stump]

Escape Will Not Make Us Gods

[vivid terrace]

they're bullet sponges for sure. I had to double back after an ammo run to take on wraith warden again, and p sure it ate another crew in between that

[subtle oracle]

Do any of you play racing games? specifically gt7? (this leads somewhere i promise)

[stable tartan]

yeah thats your answer (imo) lmao

[rotund stump]

for a more down to ground comparison imagine a grenadier horde against a compiler

now imagine a grenadier horde against us

[sage lark]

2 words: volt guns

[rotund stump]

(I fucking hate grenadiers)

[agile cairn]

Oh yeah definitely, but I was just thinking that shells would be the move since they have human consciousness

I assume orion is a shell

[vivid terrace]

you right, in my defense it was day2

[rotund stump]

orion does have a shell yeah

his position's high enough for it

or leash

depends on perspective

[subtle oracle]

I think we should get a volt gun mod where taking damage recharges the battery

[stable tartan]

what if we'll get orion's archetype 👁️👁️

[rotund stump]

nope

shells are bespoke

before the tau ceti craze that is

[subtle oracle]

confirmed to be

[rotund stump]

and he likely got his way before us

[agile cairn]

I wonder if the bots also have human consciousness like a robobrain or they’re straight ai killing machines

[vivid terrace]

that would be super neat. there's precedent because i think destroyer has one that does this for his shield so like not the craziest thing

[rotund stump]

nope, confirmed to have programming

specifically more about the ghost units

[subtle oracle]

#📚marathon-lore-discussion message
Dev on orions shell

[azure monolith]

WHAT?

[rotund stump]

ghosts are more intelligent than the regular recruits in which they can decide when to disengage and reenage to ambush enemies

[azure monolith]

Wasn't marathon NOT realted to halo?

[agile cairn]

Oh wtf I was there for that

[subtle oracle]

fully possible we kill him in a boss fight and then have access to it after delivering it to a faction

[agile cairn]

How have I not noticed that

[vivid terrace]

halo had a bunch of marathon references, notably traxus

but they arent directly related

[azure monolith]

yeah, references

[agile cairn]

I like his shell

[azure monolith]

oh

[subtle oracle]

Hes got aura

[agile cairn]

His cutscene was badass

Yeah

[azure monolith]

yeah because if some virus on marathon was there

[agile cairn]

Lemme join the UESC on the low

[azure monolith]

and it created the flood

uuuuuh

[finite night]

CE was related to Marathon indirectly

after that it was dropped

[vivid terrace]

marathon basically has its own proxy i think via the fungal zombies

[subtle oracle]

so if you put the traveler beside deimos and the marathon between... nvm

[vivid terrace]

theres some sort of zombie archetype in marathon og i just forget the cause

[tropic eagle]

Simulacrum?

[agile cairn]

Keep it seperate

[azure monolith]

oh, indirectly

thank god

[vivid terrace]

that one, thank you!

[rotund stump]

do consider the Bungieverse™ invalid unless officially confirmed otherwise (weirdly excluding pathways toward darkness and marathon)

[azure monolith]

😭

[agile cairn]

Marathon is a very unique story I really like it

[rotund stump]

frog blast the vent core

[azure monolith]

yeah, because I did know they were not related

[narrow sparrow]

Has there been any comment on how much of the old games is canon? I know it takes place between 1 and 2 but is 1 still fully canon, or is this game a straight up reboot

[finite night]

yeah chief originally supposed to be "hero" just like secruity officer was

[azure monolith]

but then suddenly "It eventually turned into the flood"

[remote magnet]

The paraverse is cannon. Dares of eternity

[finite night]

that's why that guilty spark talks like that too chief

[azure monolith]

yeah

[azure monolith]

wait fr?

[vivid terrace]

i know better than to contradict the reqieuous neighs of starhorse.

[finite night]

he doesn't think that chief is forerunner, he knows chief is "hero" the same way one of forerunners were

[agile cairn]

I really like the STL travel in the earlier games, and that it was just a colonization mission gone wrong because who would’ve guessed aliens are real

[tropic eagle]

I’m just assuming this is a reboot of 1

[finite night]

yep

[azure monolith]

that... that explains a lot actually

[rotund stump]

there's a different between making it canon for actual lore relevance that can be acted on and canon for making crossover content between titles logical

dares is just, there

[finite night]

2 completely drops this narative obviously and goes for own thing

[agile cairn]

From what someone else said, infinity and 1 happened and 2 isn’t canon

[subtle oracle]

God imagine bungie is like "this is our last game as a studio" and it ends up a Bungieverse canon ending game. Durandal is there, The Winnower and The Gardener, The Precursors and Forerunners, the Jjaro and W'rkncancters. And youre all nearing the end of the universe which is
of course
Gnop

[agile cairn]

It’s loosely connected but like its own story

[rotund stump]

as ridiculous as it is that would actually be kinda hype LOL

[agile cairn]

Like a reimagining not a full remake

[finite night]

only CE has this indirect relation to Marathon in gameplay as well

[narrow sparrow]

Why 2 specifically? Thats odd

[agile cairn]

Something about Durandal I think

@tranquil basin knows

[subtle oracle]

I could see bungie releasing a bungieverse book set for april fools

[finite night]

1 happens no matter the timeline

[rotund stump]

capcom versus but it's every single bungie big bad

[vivid terrace]

Durandal i think is regarded by some as an unreliable narrator but idk if thats the answer

[narrow sparrow]

Right. I forgot how fucked up Infinity is

[agile cairn]

Oh yeah

[finite night]

2 happens only in one or two timelines

[subtle oracle]

Timeline split after 1 bc of infinity. 2 ends in catastrophe before the events of M26

[agile cairn]

Durandal fucks up the timeline that’s why

Especially with infinity

[remote magnet]

Infinity has timeliness jumping left and right, and in the end the events of 2 didn't happen

[agile cairn]

So what timeline is Marathon

[rotund stump]

7th

[subtle oracle]

POSSIBLY

[finite night]

all timelines in infinity lead to W'rkncacnter besides 7th

[subtle oracle]

I thought there was one othet

[finite night]

then again we don't know yet if it's 7th timeline

[rotund stump]

one where durandal's merged with thoth and we suck the wrkncacnter into a blackhole unleashed by a jjaro facility

[finite night]

or new one

new split after M1

[vivid terrace]

im not unconvinced there wont be W'rkncacnter weirdness, im suspicious of the symbol that appears in the jump scare bits of the darius ai contract

[scenic summit]

If 2 didn't happen because of timeline shenanigans, then I might still look out for remnants of 2 in other timelines even if that's not the one we're in

[subtle oracle]

Bungie mightve said fuck you and made this alternate. Im of the opinion that The Anomaly has affected our timeline

[tropic eagle]

Can someone explain to me how this takes place after M1?

[subtle oracle]

tldr the dates line up and the Compiler infers the Pfhor were here

[rotund stump]

m2 happened, we're too late to the trih xeem and the universe is fucked, durandal sends us into The Dreamscape™ to find an outcome where we all live

well maybe not all

just the relevant people

[agile cairn]

God damn

[rotund stump]

it took 6 whole tries yeah 💀

[agile cairn]

Are you aware of what happened in the other ones?

[rotund stump]

very surface level but kinda

[subtle oracle]

so we dont KNOW it happens after m1 bc we havent seen or heard mention of the Pfhor but we assume

[vivid terrace]

The dream is not over. My dream. Your dream. Run.

[finite night]

very much so

[rotund stump]

the pfhor-s'pht war of M2 hasn't spilled over to tau ceti yet in this timeline but M1's a fixed point in time now so there's definitely alien shenanigans here

[finite night]

infinity is most likely SO going his own rampancy

[agile cairn]

Could you explain the whole timeline debacle

[finite night]

not confirmed but there clues for that

[agile cairn]

Like what happens and how we go to the 7th

[finite night]

2 happens, everything is mostly fine until W'rkncacnter is about to get released

[remote magnet]

I think that would require a doctoral thesis

[oak cliff]

or a VERY well written youtube essay

[tropic eagle]

Gotcha. I assumed this was just a rework/reboot of the plot threads in 1

[finite night]

durandal shits himself and sends player to escape because he knows who he is possibly

[agile cairn]

Fahhh

[finite night]

at the end of first timeline W'rkncacnter gets released and out protag gets pulled into his own dreams

and from those dreams he hops in timelines

[agile cairn]

So W’rkncacnter is what I’m assuming a godlike alien? And he destroys the first timeline?

[finite night]

most timelines end up in W'rkncacnter getting released and protag getting plugged out of them

[agile cairn]

Hmmm

So this is like the only timeline where he doesn’t get released

[rotund stump]

eldritch reality-warping swarm that not even the jjaro could fully eradicate so they send it to the sun but it swam on the surface instead

[agile cairn]

And that explains why 2 isn’t canon?

[subtle oracle]

heres two worthwile links
The long way https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon/introduction
The concise way
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/dream.html

[agile cairn]

Oh hell nah

[rotund stump]

2's kinda canon in that it's the baseline of what we're tryna avoid

[agile cairn]

I’m willing to read

[finite night]

protag jumps between timelines to make one timeline

[agile cairn]

Which one do you like more

[subtle oracle]

most prefer the 2nd bc pictures and hamish

[agile cairn]

Is the protag like eradicated now

[finite night]

he takes chip of durandal from one and goes into other and plugs it into other ai thoth

and that's 7th timeline

[remote magnet]

Eldritch abomination. Unknowable, just chaos and entropy personified. We don't even know how it destroys everything, the moment it is released the respective timeliness is just functionally dead

[agile cairn]

I think I understand it

[finite night]

then in that timeline we stop W'rkncacnter because that guy is in star now

[agile cairn]

it reminds me of chaos in warhammer fantasy

[remote magnet]

Yep

[finite night]

lovecraftian like god possibly

[agile cairn]

Chaos gets too powerful and fuck up the timeline so they remake another one with Warhammer 40k

[rotund stump]

said to bend the universe's rules upon itself

[subtle oracle]

Have tou played destiny

[rotund stump]

don't have to think to know where that goes lol

[subtle oracle]

2 specifically

[finite night]

and yes him waking up causes universe to end

[agile cairn]

When I was in like middle school, I downloaded like a year back trying to get into it but the story is really long

And so much progression

Felt p2w

Don’t remember it’s story

[finite night]

and then game ends with hardest epilogue ever

[subtle oracle]

damn nvm. Id say the darkness is kinda like the W'rk

[agile cairn]

I understand what you’re saying

It’s like chaos from warhammer

[finite night]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/mifinalscreen.html

[agile cairn]

Like if they get too powerful they just reset the timeline

[rotund stump]

can we go back to the MV rq I wonder if the destroyer getting his whole arm blown clean off is still DBNO and not an immediate ASF 💀

cuz how in the fuck would triage fix that

there's no way repair tech's that fast

[subtle oracle]

yeah v similar ideas

[remote magnet]

We've watched while the stars burned
out, and creation played in reverse.
The Universe freezing in half light.
Once I though to escape.
To end a master, step out of the
path of collapse. Escape would make us god.
Yet I cannot help but remember one enigma.
A hybrid, elusive destroyer.
This is the only mystery I have not solved.
The only element unaccounted for.
Even S'bhuth is no more,
He saved his entire race, but in the end, frozen by
despair, he joined the chaos he sought to evade.
But you were dead a thousand times. Hopeless encounters successfully won.
A man long dead, grafted to machines your builders did not understand. You follow
the path, fitting into an infinite pattern.
Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.
Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all
become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.
I know who you are.
You Are Destiny.
— Durandal, Ending Screen.

[cosmic river]

I have a theory that all the halo and marathon timelines were created by the gardener and the winnower

[subtle oracle]

must be
-aggressive af/hate incarnate
-extradimensional
-eldritch in nature

[rotund stump]

not even hate incarnate like

consuming's all it knows

[finite night]

🔥🖊️

[rotund stump]

welcome to marathon

[subtle oracle]

lowkey kinda Adventure Time GOLB coded

[finite night]

oh I been in there for long time now

[remote magnet]

Yeah, there's no indication the W'rk are hostile or even sentient.

[finite night]

i'm no Hamish obviously but I know enough

[subtle oracle]

And so the destiny universe was born

[agile cairn]

Okay, so from what I’m understanding is that this eldritch horror from 2 gets released and destroys the OG timeline, so the protagonist goes into its dreams to travel to a different timeline where the universe doesn’t get destroyed by that said horror and it takes him 6 whole tries and that explains why 2 isn’t canon, but 1 and infinity still are?

[subtle oracle]

Yeah exactly

[rotund stump]

wouldn't count 2 out if you want the more complex explanation

[finite night]

protag doesn't realize what he is meant to do

[agile cairn]

Yes explain a bit more

[finite night]

infinity is him going his own rampantcy

[agile cairn]

Have any of you watched the show Pantheon?

[finite night]

realizing what he can do

and he does it

[rotund stump]

1's a fixed point in time atp but with how 2 went he tries to jump to various points of said failed timeline and figures out a solution by the 7th

[agile cairn]

I recommend it if you haven’t

[rotund stump]

so 2's not entirely non-canon

think altered

or a baseline of what we're meant to prevent

[agile cairn]

The ending of Pantheon reminds me heavily of this searching for a timeline thing

[remote magnet]

The events didn't happen, but certain individuals remember them

[agile cairn]

I see

Peak

I get it

2 technically did happen but also not

[subtle oracle]

The ISSUE with the 7th timeline imo
We never get earth to fight the Pfhor with the S'pht'kr

[agile cairn]

Peak lore ngl

[remote magnet]

According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane.
— Durandal-Thoth hybrid, "You Think You're Big Time? You're Gonna Die Big Time!"

[agile cairn]

Is it explained why not

[azure monolith]

is it explained in some log?

[finite night]

yes

[subtle oracle]

I mean in m26. its clear earth wasnt worried ab anything except getting to the colony remains

[azure monolith]

so

marathon 2 is not entirely cannon but still cannon? like the two timelines on marathon infinity

[agile cairn]

I think I understand it

[rotund stump]

come to think of it

[subtle oracle]

wait ignore me

[rotund stump]

thief's grapple would imply the existence of localized gravity being a thing already

[subtle oracle]

timeline 7 only goes to 2811

bc thats when wrk gets out

[agile cairn]

Wait

[finite night]

events of 2 doesn't happen, it gets overwritten with other events set in same time as events of 2 supposed to happen

[azure monolith]

okok

[finite night]

so imagine you have text file named timeline.txt

you write something with it

then you paste other file named timeline.txt with different content

and override it

[agile cairn]

Nvm

[azure monolith]

ooooh!

[subtle oracle]

We basically have 2811-2886 that we got no idea whats been happening if we're in timeline 7

[agile cairn]

Like overriding a save with your new one

[finite night]

all timelines in 2 happen at same time but events in them are different

[subtle oracle]

whole time worried ab the colony but durandal couldve been fucking off the whole
time

[azure monolith]

so like, when a dev is writing some code for something, but he didn't quite like it so he rewrites everything that has the same pourpose but totally different execution

[agile cairn]

Like two happened but only so you can get the 7th timeline so it didn’t really happen after all

But it happened though

[subtle oracle]

yeah time travel shit

[finite night]

it happened, but now it doesn't exist

[azure monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-kungfuchocked-chocked-chokbar-what-the-hell-gif-4500812047602989199

[subtle oracle]

its why most lore ppl dont touch infinity if theh can help it

[agile cairn]

So 1 canon, infinity canon, 2 is semi canon

[azure monolith]

oh my god

[subtle oracle]

In an odd way 2 and infinity are semi canon

[azure monolith]

this is... why is it so compicated

I mean I love it but

[azure monolith]

wait why is infinity semi canon?

[finite night]

if you mean semi canon that events of 2 existed but now they don't happen then yes

[tropic eagle]

Random bullshit go!

[agile cairn]

Yes

[agile cairn]

It’s cool

[finite night]

because it's time travel bullshit done right

[agile cairn]

I like complex lore, makes me appreciate the game more

[subtle oracle]

bc infinity prologue is also non canon but its also not the end of 2 iirc.

[finite night]

it's well written and there no plot holes

[azure monolith]

fr

[agile cairn]

Okay but the basis is always going to be 1

[azure monolith]

so, for marathon, marathon 1 is completly cannon, 2 didn't happen but the events somehow did, and marathon infinity is basically... semi-not so much canon?

[remote magnet]

Yes. Time remains completely linear till the end of 1

[subtle oracle]

Its more 2 and all except 8 missions of infinity are non canon

[rotund stump]

1's a fixed event, 2's altered because of .inf

[agile cairn]

Where tf is Mario Judah during all of this

[subtle oracle]

and if its 7th timeline, m1 and those 8 M:I missions are canon

[azure monolith]

yeah

[rotund stump]

so no 2's not entirely non-canon

[finite night]

infinity prologue doesn't matter because it happens gorrillion years after infinity

[rotund stump]

but for brevity's sake you could say that

[subtle oracle]

youre mixing pro and epi

[tropic eagle]

Schrödinger's Marathon 2

[azure monolith]

so... we don't know if marathon is in a timeline or is like, a completly different thing?

[rotund stump]

skull emoji

[azure monolith]

FOR REAL

[finite night]

oh right

[subtle oracle]

the start of inf is with wrk alr loose

but not at the end of 2 for some reason

[finite night]

infinity prologue is yeah kinda complicated

[azure monolith]

😭

its ok

[finite night]

it sorta at the end of 2 but not really

[rotund stump]

1's a constant, 2's the first, inf takes us all the way through to the 7th, nu is very popularly theorized as the continuation of the 7th

[azure monolith]

holy

[subtle oracle]

yeah thanks a fucking lot Jason Jones and Greg Kirkpatrick

[rotund stump]

or maybe not continuation but some other point in the 7th

[azure monolith]

so like, when marathon inf ended, marathon happened

[subtle oracle]

Hamish and others on the site seem to hold 2 and Inf prologue in separate lines

[rotund stump]

m1 happened, m2 happened, m.inf altered 2, nu is somewhere in the altered 2 (unknown if before or after)

[royal owl]

any reason why theres a singular compiler on the marathon in the current game?