📚marathon-lore-discussion

[hallow stag]

Don't ever end up in a teleportation loop with a bunch of ais

[rotund stump]

where do you wanna start 💀

[shrewd flame]

I just wanna know the lore about the new game

[rotund stump]

what part of it

[shrewd flame]

Sorry im just a need about lore

[rotund stump]

there's like so much lol I need a starting point

[shrewd flame]

Ok uh

Where are we?

In the game

[rotund stump]

tau ceti IV

[shrewd flame]

Who are we? I’ve heard “colonists”

[rotund stump]

couple light years out, roughly a century-long trip

the marathon project had colonist in the UESC marathon go across from sol to tau ceti to colonize tciv and failed

[broken zinc]

Ok i know the game is pretty intense but watching any video on marathon's page will tell you about the baseline of the game

[rotund stump]

the premise is the corps wanting their cuts back so they hire us mercs to do the job for them since they signed a peace treaty with the UESC and they're entrenched into the failed colony already

[broken zinc]

If you're going to ask questions like "where are we" and "who are we" you can get a lot of answers to basics like that from the gameplay overview videos bungie has put out

https://youtu.be/fjzmhROTv28?si=GF-n8vMdzFkN4S-6

For actual marathon lore, there are good vids out there as well that explain it.

JaketheAlright has a great playlist that's easy to digest

Nu(new) Marathon builds off the foundations of OGMarathon. But in this game all we really know is: something happened to the Marathon ship and the colony on tau ceti iv, and a bunch of companies want to recoup lost assets and hire mercs called runners to do this. Runners use biosynthetic bodies called shells to run "safely" on the planet without having to put their physical body on the line. We don't know where our physical body is as a runner, but our consciousness is uploaded into the shell

[barren elm]

I don't think there is an explanation as to "where are we," in terms of where are the runners coming from/back to, is that right?

The Alpha Intro Cinematic says "Runners arrived in the Tau Ceti System" It also shows Runners coming from one common shape hovering Tau Ceti IV, being transmaterialized to multiple different places in Tau Ceti IV. The Reveal Cinematic shows a series of interconnected chambers where bodies are printed, they are stacked in a square or rectangle, like a hollow skycraper (possibly a part of a space station.) I do not think we know whether the Runner's actual body still exists, either...

[restive wharf]

I am confused about aspects of the lore, is the marathon in this game the same one in the first?

[spring fiber]

Hi I have a question about the short movie maybe a bit late but why vandal and assassin have the same picture when the « do you recognize this child » sequence in the movie

[hallow stag]

It's a routine question made from the ai

It's like the main plot point behind Blade Runner 2049

In the case of the short, I believe it's used to show the runners pretty much lost their human memory

Not knowing for certain if that is a photo of themselves

[spring fiber]

Didn’t see the movie what the plot to compare ?

[cursive portal]

It also might be saying that it's the same runner, but in a different shell.

[hallow stag]

Can't be the same runner

[cursive portal]

Shells aren't runner specific.
So the runner who was in a Vandal-
Why not?

[spring fiber]

It’s wierd because they kill each other so how the conscious can split up?

[north plank]

Human like androids have become independent of their original directives and a special police force is created to hunt them down (I think it's been a while)

[hallow stag]

As we see both of them in the field

[cursive portal]

That's the thing-
An Assassin Shell died and a Vandal Shell died.

Afterward, we see an Assassin Shell.
I'm under the impression that the runner in the Vandal Shell just loaded into an Assassin Shell after they died.

[hallow stag]

Ignore it, it was an example to make things easier but it doesn't matter if you haven't watched the film

[spring fiber]

If they forget their past why do the need to look like human they can all look like rook so ? I was guessing the they was looking like human for not lost their mind to totally change to someting different ?

Like assassin is based on a male body and like thief a female so why create genra for robot

[hallow stag]

But we see them both on the field at the same moment, fighting eachother, unless you are saying the shells in the fields aren't the same we see in the capsules

[cursive portal]

Rook is also a generally worse shell than the others.

As well as Sekiguuchi just having a very "holier than thou" sort of approach to their creations.

"Why be you, when you can be better?"
Just being a basic robot like Rook doesn't seem much better than being human.

[hallow stag]

But it would just be overcomplicating for the sake it imo

[cursive portal]

That is what I'm saying.

2 Runners, only one of which we see in the capsule.

[vestal inlet]

Like getting destroyed by a OTP and thinking you have to try that character

[cursive portal]

Exactly!

[hallow stag]

I don't think that's how the short is supposed to be read but you do you

[cursive portal]

We can also assume the Vandal Runner isn't very capable considering the amount of debt they are likely in.

[hallow stag]

Because shells are used by humans, and humans have preferences

It may also be due to compatibility, if it's something the lore considers

Like, a shell that resembles your body accurately being easier to control

But this is speculation

[spring fiber]

For not creating a human like rampancy ?

It was my first guess

[hallow stag]

I think that's a bit of a stretch considering what we know

[spring fiber]

No because the assassin find the picture on vandal shell dead body and take it so it’s really 2 different runner

[hallow stag]

But it's not like the shells have genitalia or anything, so in the end it's just a slightly different shape, it being masculine or feminine I don't think matters much

[vestal inlet]

I don't think it's brought up anywhere, but I don't think it's that wild to at least say that transferring a human consciousness into a completely inhuman body or leaving it disembodied for long periods of time might be detrimental to the runner's mental health

[cursive portal]

Funnily enough, we can see this in real life.

Sensory deprivation for extended periods of time is really bad for people.

[spring fiber]

Yeah that the point but I was just overthinking if there an explaination for there design in the lore but really is juste game design lmao

[vestal inlet]

I haven't seen the short in a bit, but doesn't that assassin also get killed? That'd mean neither of them have that specific picture and the assassin at the end of the short is getting a different copy of the photo

[cursive portal]

That's correct.

[north plank]

the Assassin gets sniped no?

[cursive portal]

The thing is, what does it matter if it's a different copy or not?

It's still the same picture.

[spring fiber]

Yeah but the face that assassin make when he take the picture is wierd all short long he act like a true killing machine everything calculated but when he take the picture he seem shocked

[vestal inlet]

I think that the purpose either way is to show how the personality of runners gets heavily diluted as they come back again and again, and that honestly works both ways

[cursive portal]

I think it should also be pointed out that the Assassin Shell we see at the end, no matter on who the Runner inside it is, is not the Assassin we see on Tau Ceti.

[spring fiber]

Why ?

[cursive portal]

Different patterns on the face.

[spring fiber]

It’s maybe skin like the vandal change tshirt

It’s create by sekigushi so juste maybe an other skin print maybe

[cursive portal]

Definitely, no matter the Runner.

[spring fiber]

The lore of this game hype me so much I can’t stop checking every detail bro

I need him now

[cursive portal]

Agreed.

[spring fiber]

The fact the the cryo archive is not here from the beginning make me the most longing

[vestal inlet]

Well I wouldn't wanna go straight there from the beginning anyway

Gotta prep for it

[wheat tartan]

Yeah, it might be an end-of-season inclusion

[cursive portal]

3 maps for most of a season is... Daunting.

[vestal inlet]

If it's true that Cryo's going to be similar to Destiny raids then we will need the prep time

[spring fiber]

Yeah sure but I think end of season is far everyone will have good stuff but I like the fact of run for the truth like corpo paying runner to learn about the marathon so first come first to know the truth

[cursive portal]

And we'll be clashing with other Runners too...

[hallow stag]

Who cares about dying if I can see the compiler during my last moments

[vestal inlet]

Exactly

[silk whale]

Watching that burnt peanut stream video, they were struggling to even open the pinwheel vault on the outpost map, and cryo is supposed to be even more of a puzzle

[vestal inlet]

I respect that a lot

[spring fiber]

Nooooo I dont want that no boring boss too long

[silk whale]

THIS

[cursive portal]

See the Compiler?
Nah, I wanna blow that S'pht up.

[silk whale]

ya girl has been waiting 30 years to see that next-gen compiler, LFG!!!

[vestal inlet]

Making the name of their species sound like a slur is crazy work 😭

[cursive portal]

I'm really good at it.

You should hear how I pronounce W'rkncacnter.

[hallow stag]

I wonder how the archives will be like in solo

Will they even be doable solo?

[cursive portal]

They'll be hell...
But possible.

Moreso because insane players always find a way, instead of it being intended.

[marsh inlet]

How many teams are allowed in a raid area? And will you guys be cooperative???

[vestal inlet]

Wouldn't be the first time Bungie makes content meant to be impossible to do by yourself only for people to speedrun it solo

[hallow stag]

No I generally won't be cooperative

[vestal inlet]

I've no idea how many teams will be allowed, but I do wonder if the higher stakes of having all your best gear on will make players more hesitant to shoot on sight

[hallow stag]

Shoot on sight 90% of the time, at least

[vestal inlet]

Orr... Encourage them to be more aggressive to take enemy gear

[hallow stag]

I'm assuming conditions will get harsher as you dive deeper into the archives

[vestal inlet]

So the plan is to spill blood, behold the compiler, die

[hallow stag]

So I'd guess strong players will want to clear other teams asap

[hallow stag]

Unless cooperation is forced to open the archives, pretty much

[cursive portal]

That's what I'd expect.

[cursive portal]

That would be...
Annoying.

Cuz later you'd need to either fight while weakened (risky), or share the treasure (distasteful.)

[rugged sigil]

I have been certificated by the SekGen, can anybody tell me more about my faction?

[cursive portal]

You make the worms that make the people.

Said people run on CyAc, are built on Traxus materials, and eat NuCal products.

[heady tendon]

Ok so I’m still kind of out of the loop. Are the runner shells still called Biomata or something else now?

[cursive portal]

They're now just called "Shells" as far as I can tell.

[heady tendon]

Ah

[cursive portal]

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[hallow stag]

It would add another layer of complexity, which I wouldn't mind, but in any case I think the archives will be doable by a single squad

Otherwise you could just softlock

[cursive portal]

I dunno about softlock, you can probably dip out at any point, but yeah.

[hallow stag]

Uh true I didn't think about leaving

[cursive portal]

Maybe I finish vault 5 and don't feel confident going for the next two, so I extract.

I get to keep my assumedly good loot, even if I don't make it to the end.
Then I get to go at the Archive again, but this time with the new stuff.

[wise plank]

The one thing I'm confused on in cryo is how the hell PvP will work if it's linear vaults. Surely all teams will spawn in the same room?? The first vault no?

[rugged sigil]

Thanks you wise @cursive portal i will embrace my new role in the world with Sekiguchi Genetics and 知恵と指導の言葉に感謝します。次の指示を待ちます。

[cursive portal]

Excellent question.
No way of knowing till we see the map.

Maybe it's a series of rings going from the outside in.
Maybe it's a series of floors, going up or down to one another.
Maybe there's a central area of which vaults are arranged around.
Etc.

[cursive portal]

You can find even more by navigating the Karnemir website.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/intercepts/sekiguchi/index
(The first entry is the one I already gave you.)

Be sure to also check out the emails and media.
(The media is just cool.)

[fathom mason]

I simultaneously hope and hope it’s not a w’rkcjfjeinff that’s causing the mayhem in the colony

It would be cool to see them use some new idea, but I hope it’s not anticlimactic

[cursive portal]

The Jjaro came to me in my capsule.

I have 10 days to bring a nuke into the deepest part of the Cryo-Archive.

[twin tundra]

any marathon lore must-see videos? i have not played the og trilogy but want to know more. already seen mandalore gaming videos plus pathaways into darkness one

[timber token]

Biomata is the technology, shells are the different models afaik

Like there are biomata of other animals like the cat

But shells are the biomata that player minds inhabit

[cursive portal]

Oh, that's my bad.

[cursive portal]

Mandalore covers the old lore really well.

The only question is, do you want knowledge about the corporations before you play, or do you want to learn while you play?

[trim meadow]

What did pathways into darkness connect to marathon?

[cursive portal]

Pathways into Darkness has the President of the US be contacted by a Jjaro, to be tasked with taking down a W'rkncacnter.

...There's also probably some other connections too that I forget.

[twin tundra]

i want to know more about the corporations

[cursive portal]

My suggestion would then be Bungie's videos, as well as the Karnemir archive https://marathon.karnemir.com/.

[twin tundra]

let me check

[cursive portal]

Most YouTube content on the subject is either repeating Bungie or making stuff up (which I fell victim to.)

[twin tundra]

ive also seen "the entire history of marathon" by jake the alright, is that one good?

[cursive portal]

It is, yeah.

[twin tundra]

ok thanks

[modest kayak]

So is there any lore between when Mida wasn’t a terrorist and now?

[cursive portal]

A great deal, how familiar are you with Strauss?

[twin tundra]

can you give a link to bungie's videos or are they the ones in the marathon youtube channel?

[tranquil basin]

Aside from Strauss they went kinda underground for a while bc they were outlawed and whatnot. Though it seems they had some sort of resurgence closer to 2800s

[outer ridge]

What is my dad

[tranquil basin]

Excellent question

[wheat thistle]

I have a theory

Most the colonists are still asleep in cryo is the first one.

Secondly we're gonna end up facing battle roids sooner or later and they are gonna clap cheeks

[dim umbra]

You guys think Durandal may appear in the story later down the line?

[rotund stump]

local roids already guarding vault 2 and deeper before colony failure or reinforcements?

(this is testing if you read the UESC memoranda)

[prime rose]

Durandal is in the trailers

[dim umbra]

👍

[wheat thistle]

Im thinking new gen Borg's more likely. If we do end up running into any surviving local roids there's no chance of winning

However since the original group of battleroids was concealed it's possible there's more

[rotund stump]

I don't see any reason strauss would lie about more roids than the 10 mjolnirs he sneaked onto the marathon if we're supposed to be in the know in the old trilogy since we're one of the 10

plus they took all the mjolnirs off the final memorandum draft and assumed there's surviving life on the colony

we'd quite literally get atomized against any mjolnir gen I think if one's enough to kill a compiler with relative ease lol

and that's vault 7's raid boss

[nimble pecan]

Could be a fun area denial mechanic, lile when there’s more maps Maybe, you could have one area locked at a time cause „Mjolnir Active“ in the area or smth.?

[rotund stump]

by no roids I mean none on the equanimity or surrounding vessels

and it'd be roughly a century-long journey for the UESC to send a squad of mjolnirs from sol to anywhere near here

not to say it's impossible but it'd be A Good Long While™

but it would be funny when the game launches and then everybody wishing to see mjolnirs immediately backtracking when they already get their heads bashed in my local patrols 💀

[rotund stump]

on top of potential risks btw, automated vessel means total loss in case of any pre-flight tampering and sabotage, with onboard personnel you're making absolutely sure nobody is anywhere pro-anti-gov with no conditioning to keep them that way throughout the century-long flight

and mjolnirs are Very Fucking Expensive

[cursive portal]

...Destroyer is wearing Mjolnir though.
But I guess because he's a Shell and not a Cyborg he doesn't have the Jjaro in him?

[rotund stump]

an imitation

but also that

[cursive portal]

It's not said to be an imitation, it's Mjolnir.
Let me find the clip.

[rotund stump]

they did say version of

for how capitalist the marathonverse is there's still likely military limitations imposed by law

doubt sekgen would casually weave a mjolnir set out like this

[teal cedar]

Destroyer shell is from mjonir

[rotund stump]

schematics yes

power unlikely

[cursive portal]

So maybe it's not about the armour?
Maybe "Mjolnir Recon 54" was the cover title for our Battleroid, not the title for Battleroids?

[rotund stump]

mjolnir gens are marked as "Mk [_]"s

recon 54's likely smth very specific

and the officer was a mjolnir IV

they planned to send up to mjolnir IXs on the second memorandum draft before the council dropped the whole mida on marathon tirade

and on top of this they only specified a "futuristic version" of the mjolnir armor so it can also be likely sekgen went different ways with how the UESC planned future mjolnir gens

downsizing the actual armor pieces to making compartments more compact and all that

the sekgen mjolnir might not match any official UESC mjolnir gen past gen IV

[visual lynx]

mjolnir is not armor in the Marathon universe

[rotund stump]

on top of ^

cuz mjolnir is the battleroid name not the armor name

so destroyer's practically wearing an imitation with almost none of the power

[nimble pecan]

Or the reboot is changing things

[visual lynx]

the SO in OG Marathon just threw on the standard powered battle armor in the closet on the Mirata

so it's not weird at all that lots of others would wear the same thing

[rotund stump]

referring to the look the SO's known for in the old trilogy in the vidoc then I suppose

when they were talking about a futuristic version of the mjolnir look

[nimble pecan]

If that were the case it would be weird that it’s called that, they’d just say the destroyers has „standard battle armor“ right?

Maybe they’re changing it to refer to armor to invoke halo familiarity

[rotund stump]

for abbreviation's sake when describing design choices ig

[visual lynx]

<Durandal> Cycle the Mirata cabin’s inner door

“-One minute to cabin decompression.”

“Goddamn it!” You slam your fist in frustration onto the control board, leaving a dent. In a panic, you tear off your seat restraints and leap for the rear of the shuttle cabin, “Forty seconds to Cabin Decompression.” You are rushing now, but you know that you have plenty of time.

You fly in zero gravity towards the locker holding your Battle Armor. You haven’t worn it since you had to hunt down some Chockisens which were harassing the work teams on the fringe of the colony, almost three years ago…

nuMarathon better tell us what Chockisens are

my headcanon is they are the PiD -like monsters from Marathon Zero

these guys https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bungie/images/e/ec/Marathon_Zero_beta_screen.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210927024253

[rotund stump]

minecraft analogue horror ass aliens 😭

new cascadia be damned if they're anywhere on tau ceti

[wheat thistle]

These century long journeys assume humanity doesn't acquire FTL travel. Between the first game and where we are now they figured out faster than light communications. So theoretically if there's any derelict Pfhor ship wrecks or even since compilers were their tech slaves if they communicated with one of them then you could see the development of FTL thanks to the expedition

[rotund stump]

the memoranda were typed out as proposals for tau ceti rescue and relief which is pretty recent

[wheat thistle]

It seems that the current implication is that even new gen mjolnir and cyborgs pale in comparison to the battleroids since the original battleroids had a heavy stigma around their deployment and when they did deploy they were too effective in many ways

[wheat thistle]

That's true. There's also the potential that the recovery vessel wasn't the only one sent too. There's nothing to suggest it was or that it wasn't yet so it may be a window they are leaving open for content.
Or even the potential Durandal visits earth in his captive ship in the near future.
Though I'll have to crack into more of the lore after release because I imagine they'll drip feed us something interesting in regards to that

[rotund stump]

we'll have to assume since the equanimity's the only one listed

but that's also excluding other potential support vessels

could also assume kingfisher class is pretty high up continuing said logic

other vessels are probably in an addendum not shown or known to us

fighting oguns and harpes would be interesting enough tho I bet

if we even get to raid the equanimity at all

[wheat thistle]

Games got so much lore potential. I hope current bungie appreciates the density of the narrative they're working with

[cursive portal]

Durandal gave Earth warp capable missiles, maybe they figured out how to make warp capable ships from there.

[rotund stump]

is that M2 lore?

[cursive portal]

Yeah.

[rotund stump]

I uhhhh

I think we can discount that since m.inf partially nullified the entirety of M2 lol

[cursive portal]

.

HUH!?
...Gaddamn.

[rotund stump]

7 timelines is a doozy

[cursive portal]

Yeah it is... Wow.

[rotund stump]

durandal still merged with thoth so it's not impossible they gave humans ftl still but like

yk

[cursive portal]

Yeah, and it feels less likely when Durandal isn't flying around at his own whimsy in Boomer.

[hallow stag]

Got the collectors

Gotta say, everything is high enough quality (except the electrical part of the statue) but I'm particularly blown away by the Assassin-themed fleshlight

I wonder if it's lore accurate

[cursive portal]

...

[rotund stump]

the most appropriate opportunity to mpreg a guy

[wheat thistle]

The lore is putty rn

[tacit flame]

i would argue that with infinity they became putty lol. considering there's like 7 timelines

[rotund stump]

actually I'm not too sure if durandal actually gave or even got ftl with the merge

gotta read up on m.inf again some time

[cursive portal]

So-
Even actions Durandal took before reaching the S'pht home system got "retconned?"

[tranquil basin]

It’s unclear what is and isn’t

[blazing fern]

Hello. Getting into the lore since it's the first time I find the story actually compelling in an xtr shooter. Are there any hints, clues or any info at all regarding the colony after the events of OG trilogy? From what I understand, the Pfhor came back and wiped them out. But the colony somehow still existed after those events as seen in the cinematic and suffered other disasters that eventually wiped them out? Did the survivors rebuild and repopulate or is it timeline fuckery?

[tranquil basin]

Either they retconned it or something happened due to marathon infinity, because the nuking of the colony was specifically said to happen in marathon 2, which is timeline 1. They could just say oh well some of them actually survived, or maybe it didn’t happen in this timeline

[blazing fern]

So it's basically still a big mystery. The alt timeline stuff could work pretty well in this setting and world. Usually when it's done in media it feels like a cop out, but it suits Marathon I feel.

[rotund stump]

well we're here now and most things are intact and the nuke and pave option didn't go through

save to say it didn't happen

or delayed to the far future

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Idk things like that are unfortunately inevitable when reviving an ip

[rotund stump]

they'll work it out

the bigger mystery is ftl and how etherstep works rn

[cursive portal]

"SMUG INTELLECTUAL. Formerly-rampant human-coded AI with a sense of humor seeks bipedal oxygen-breathing cyborg for serious relationship in the galactic core. I've got cool guns if you like to break stuff. No yuppies. MRa2572 (5/23).

SLEEPING BEAUTY. Long-deactivated extraterrestrial personality construct in search of gullible carbon-based cyborg (< 20% machine) to confuse, irritate and teleport randomly around an abandoned desert planet in the core. All answered. MRa268' (5/30).

GOD'S GIFT TO NEURAL NETS. Traitorous extremely-rampant reprogrammed human AI with no sense of humor seeks elusive, heroic cyborg of uncertain manufacture (you know who you are) for mindgames and long walks in hard vacuum. MRa2261 (5/16)

DAMSEL IN DISTRESS. Captured and partially-disassembled human-coded AI trapped on alien homeworld seeks succor from a tall, dark and handsome cyborg with big guns. Let my rescue be the basis of a lasting relationship. MRa4451 (5/23)."
These have got to be my favourite lines across the games.

[broken zinc]

I also think sometimes retcon stuff like that is just trying to smooth out weird story options that didn't make full sense, now that it's been 30 years since marathon originally dropped. Some stuff is just going to be revamped or changed slightly for a modern era. I don't think it's a huge change from a story perspective to not pave and nuke tau ceti iv, and i bet they'll have a lore explanation for it in the game

[solar nova]

https://tauceti.world/profiling
Found this little quizz online that determines your "corpo" allegiance. Man I love science fiction and I hope they keep building on the lore eventhough there is no campaign in the game

[fathom vine]

my take is thats what the anomoly and disease are

[rotund stump]

for how crazy bungie writes its stories it's still pretty rooted in actual science and logic so I expect some very good explanations to certain "retconned" things

[broken zinc]

I like that take

[fathom vine]

like they still "destroyed" the colony, but more in a bioweapon that lost control type way

[blazing fern]

If they go with alt timeline and want to tie in the og storyline it will have to be revealed to players by Durandal.

[cursive portal]

Bioweapons are more of a S'pht thing...

[tranquil basin]

I mean I’m sure it’s plausible to say humanity just developed ftl in the 2800s. Could’ve been something else but I don’t think it’d be wild to assume that

[fathom vine]

exactly, given that the disease effects both fauna, flora and AI....

[fathom vine]

i just thought that the engines were better than 300 years ago

[hallow stag]

One of the things I liked the most about the lore is the attention to certain details

Like the whole Mars disruption due to the time/cost needed for resource transportation

[rotund stump]

the century post-memorandum you mean?

[tranquil basin]

I mean they are bc the equanimity was gonna have like 3x the sustained speed, but that was also in the early 2800s. For sci fi I don’t think it’s implausible to justify them making ftl in 80-90y

[tranquil basin]

Wdym post memorandum

[tranquil basin]

Yeah they are v good at lore details

[rotund stump]

drafts for the tau ceti SNR and relief mission

still stated to be a century-long journey

[fathom vine]

The Equanimity?

[rotund stump]

so unless they discovered ftl during that century then idk

[tranquil basin]

Oh yeah those were in 2795, and the equanimity was launched in the early 2800s

[rotund stump]

yeah the equanimity

[tranquil basin]

And now it’s 2893

[rotund stump]

would make sense

[fathom vine]

It's way quicker than the first one though, and the corpos caught up even faster

But still not ftl levels of speed

[tranquil basin]

My only thought about them not having been given ftl by Durandal or something in the 2800s is mainly bc I feel like high up corpos would know about stuff like the pfhor and more about what happened to the colony befor arriving to tau ceti

[tranquil basin]

Yeah it’s like 0.12c assuming a constant speed

Which is damn fast tho

[rotund stump]

in a world without ftl they could also use those comms relays they planned per light year distance to perform grav slingshots if they make them big enough to do so

if they discovered pocket grav that is

[tranquil basin]

I mean maybe but I can’t imagine they’re very big considering the equanimity had to carry all of them

[rotund stump]

yeahhh

[tranquil basin]

And if they have gravity manipulation then they can essentially make ftl travel bc warp drives

[fathom vine]

I think they do have ftl comms at least

Or some form of communication

Given that earth received a signal from tau ceti maybe a couple years after the first game

[naive furnace]

is the null tansmitter supposed to dm you?

[tranquil basin]

Yeah

[naive furnace]

when i msg it back saying what why did it open my internet browser and open like 1,000 discord looking like i got a virus

and when i closed my internetbrowser it kept re opening it and making more and more

lagit right after i msg it back \

[tranquil basin]

That sounds like you have a virus from something else

[naive furnace]

from what i wasnt doing anything else i just got a virus randomly

i mean my computers fine rn but it defenitly started happening rright after i msg the bot and thats the only thing i was dong on my pc at the time

or it was after i click the image in the dm or somethign but it was forshure that

[tranquil basin]

Well it’s just a regular discord bot

[hallow stag]

where can I send images? I believe I softlocked in the last part of marathon Infinity

im at the panel where you're supposed to place the chip you get from Durandal after as you kill it, but I dont have said chip among the items anymore, dunno when it vanished

nvm im stupid

[ocean bluff]

Is there much info on Arachne lore as of right now or are they still pretty unknown?

[tardy meteor]

still pretty unknown

shiny new

[novel oar]

Arachne peaks my interest the most im also curious about their lore~

[simple rampart]

I wonder how new they are in universe as their culture seems to centre on death and rebirth of runners though biomata

[ocean bluff]

Is it also confirmed that by the time we will be playing in game the companies will have FTL, currently listening to the old arg breakdown by Jake and trying to piece stuff together I'm not clear on

[ocean bluff]

I'm wondering how they have access to runner shells too

[simple rampart]

Yeah, even Charter looks like a shell, and is holding a runners heart it seems

[ocean bluff]

Actually now that I say that how do most of the companies have shell access? From where I'm at lore wise I only understand Sek and traxus having shells

[simple rampart]

I would guess sekgen pawn the "printers" or the worms out to buyers

As in the short film ONI the cyac AI tells vandal the debt she owes to sekgen

[sage fjord]

Bio silk is expensive yo

[simple rampart]

Or maybe there's a black market and the blueprints got stolen on a black market

Seems like sekgen and cyac have deals with all the factions when it comes to shells and software

[hallow stag]

Finished Infinity

Probably the one I liked the least level design wise

Still a good game though

[simple rampart]

How long did it take for you to finish it?

[hallow stag]

Around 6 hours

But I was particularly slow I think

[fathom vine]

Anyone else just get a message from Null transmitter?

[blazing fern]

yeh

[fathom vine]

Awesome

I'm expecting some goodies for all my hard work

[tardy meteor]

I think they do but not for organic matter like humans

Durandal hijacked a Pfhor ship when TCIV was attacked

and the Pfhor had FTL

Durandal also returned to Earth with his new ship to warn humanity about the Pfhor threat

[oak grail]

Don't think there's any indication of FTL tech from Humanity

[tranquil basin]

I was too

[tranquil basin]

There is at least as of 2888

[tranquil basin]

I think so yes bc they decide to go to tau ceti in 2888, and they arrive in 2893, covering a 12ly distance it’s gotta be ftl

[ocean bluff]

Thanks y'all!

[ocean bluff]

NITW pfp, love it

[oak grail]

🏏

[tranquil basin]

That was in the marathon 2 timeline. He could’ve still done it in timeline 7 but I’m not sure he did, otherwise I think the corps with their hands in government pockets would know more about what happened to tau ceti

[hexed bison]

is there a good video for a breakdown of each faction?

[tranquil basin]

I think Jake the alright has vids on them, ik he has stuff about the arg lore which talked a lot about Traxus, sekiguchi, MIDA, and the UESC

[olive zodiac]

Tau ceti ain't real nope

[fathom mason]

wtf 6 hours?? It took me 12

[fathom mason]

How much did you use guides?

[quick dirge]

I had a question about the cataclysm that occurs in the short film. Does it related to the first games ? People vomiting and exploding in colors and stuff, thought it was a virus first (released by the Pfhor) but I have no idea actually

[cosmic river]

there's an easter egg in the first game that said the jjaro were at Tau Ceti IV

[quick dirge]

so they maybe left some crazy tech on the planet

[cosmic river]

maybe the colonists found some jjaro tech and tried to experimenting with it to disastrous results

Also, What's the deal with the compiler in cyro archive, I thought they all left with Durandal

[hallow stag]

Just when I got stuck for too much time on some portion

I did play all games at the easiest difficulty too

Time reason and modern boomer shooters just being so much better for challenging runs on high difficulties (cultic)

I wanted to finish the trilogy before the server slam

[potent dome]

I just watched some videos on the mararhon story and lore, but i dont realise how UESC ai robots are the enemy?
Didnt UESC lead the marathon mission and its my understanding that they are one of the factions

[cosmic river]

the marathon colony is now a military restricted zone and the runners are tresspassers

[cursive portal]

So maybe one came back.

[cosmic river]

but that's my point, why would just one come back to the marathon?

[cursive portal]

I don't think it would be just one.
I'm hoping they become an actual enemy.

[cosmic river]

maybe Durandal sent that one as scout to prepare for his arrival

[hallow stag]

Durandal is also back

Supposedly

[broken zinc]

the uesc bots are our enemy because we are mercs contracted by corps to go down and take assets that the uesc thinks we should not be taking lmao.

[hallow stag]

The pfhor should eventually make an appearance as well at some point, again supposedly

[broken zinc]

we are not the good guys in this game, and neither really is the factions and neither really is uesc

[hallow stag]

If the game survives long enough I'd bet we will see all the 3 main marathon ais from the trilogy

[cursive portal]

Even Leela?

Oh, whoops, wrong reply.

In any case.

Even Leela?
We know where she ended up, and it seems... Hard to move around.

[hallow stag]

We know it eventually succeeds and takes over

[cursive portal]

Tycho'd likely come alongside the Pfhor-
Hell he'll probably be the Pfhor.

[hallow stag]

It would also come with another alien species we've never seen

Content wise

[cursive portal]

"While Tau Ceti was being nuked down to bedrock in 2794, Pfhor scientists disassembled and removed the AI Leela from the Marathon, loading her aboard a vessel bound for the Pfhor homeworld. But the ship fell into the hands of a Nar privateer between jumps at Beta Naxos, and was never seen by the Pfhor again.

Thinking the cargo little more than scrap, the Nar captain sold the Pfhor ship, Leela and all, to a Vylae merchant. The subsequent crash of the Vylae FTL network when Leela was reassembled and reactivated is still legendary in the annals of rampancy, and the Vylae have long since accepted that they will never expunge her from their fifteen-world network."

That doesn't sound mobile.

Or cooperative.

[hallow stag]

I don't see how it couldn't be mobile

[cursive portal]

But who knows, maybe she never left the Marathon in this case.

[hallow stag]

As cooperative, I didn't mean that Leela will come with the new species as allies

[cursive portal]

Just like the colony wasn't nuked.

[hallow stag]

Just that an eventual update could have both

[cursive portal]

"Will never expunge her from their fifteen-world network."
I dunno, something about that just feels... Entrenched.
Have we seen AIs exist across multiple instances?

We have-
Tycho.

[hallow stag]

We may also meet different Pfhor factions

[cosmic river]

imagine phfor as a faction

[hallow stag]

I mean, it's not like Leela needs to bring the network to the Marathon, could just use a relay, or as you said other instances like Tycho

[hallow stag]

My dream is a phfor shell

[cursive portal]

Unlikely, but it'd be cool.

[hallow stag]

I also expect Phfor to be redesigned to some extent

The pfhor hunters would work quite well with minimal touches, like the compilers

Most other pfhors I think would need some heavier change to fit properly, but maybe I'm wrong

[cursive portal]

Maybe, I'm just thinking that if they didn't change too much, it'd feel really alien.

[wheat tartan]

My thoughts on the Phfor as a future faction you work for is unlikely, but I would think of an interesting idea where, if the lore of the og trilogy are mostly the same and did canonically happen in the past of this new game, the S'pht could be a possible faction to side with, considering their freedom and revolution in the first game thanks to the security officer and Durandal messing with the Phfor. They look to have some sort of role in this game, as we have seen multiple times in promotional material of at least one Compiler floating about, so the idea of leftover S'pht patrolling Tau Ceti IV and soon contacting whatever S'pht are left alive in the galaxy to ask for our help would be pretty cool.

[blazing comet]

has anyone checked out the updated tauceti.world website? they added shell previews

sounds like recon shares a VA with Judy Alvarez from Cyberpunk 2077, which is nice to see

[fathom mason]

Time off will make me GOD

[hallow stag]

It's confirmed that the compiler is an enemy in the Cryo archives

If we ever end up working with either races, it will probably happen through the ais though, in the trilogy you do work for Tycho (most of time forcefully, as with Durandal)

[wheat tartan]

fair enough. Guess it could be a hostile S'pht clan or some remnant of the Phfor that survived the battle against the cyborgs and security officer. I'm not sure, but I guess more info on these guys will be shared by the full release and/or the ensuing seasons that will play out

after all, the cryo-archives are still a major point in the game which 1: Takes place on the titular UESC Marathon, and 2: Has been shown to have Compilers/S'pht floating about

Also, feel free to take my words with a grain of salt, I'm still a bit new to all of the lore and Marathon as a whole (been scared to even look at what happens in Infinity, lol)

[visual lynx]

I have been suspecting that it may not be so clear who are the good guys in the Pfhor-S'pht war since I think the S'pht attacked Tau Ceti in 2812, and the Pfhor and human megacorps may see each other as valuable trading partners, especially because biomata may be a game-changer in the galactic slave trade, best of both worlds between robots (cheap and mass produced) and organic slaves (no hyperintelligent rampant AI).

[visual lynx]

just because they will never get her our of their network doesn't mean she is confined to their network

[visual lynx]

where we last left Tycho in the final Infinity timeline, he was in shit with / imprisoned by the Pfhor for trying to subvert their command, and then he had been freed by the SO, so he may be a free agent not with them anymore

[wheat tartan]

Guess so. The game so far shows plenty of gray zones in morality between the current factions, so whatever seems to happen with the Phfor and the S'pht may end up being less of a "Good vs. Evil" situation and more of a "Who is the greater evil and who joins with what?" situation

[visual lynx]

the factions first heard about shit going down at Tau Ceti, 12ly away, in 2888, and then mounted a mission to arrive there by 2893, 5 years later. FTL must be involved.

[visual lynx]

in the M2 timeline; but seemingly not in this timeline

[wheat tartan]

In all honesty, I think the timeline may have split off at some point from M2, perhaps as a result of...whatever happened in Infinity. Look, all I know about that game is there are multiple timelines happening at once there and all of the time travel fuckery could have led to a Rebuild of Evangelion-type situation, where many of the same events occurred like in the og timeline (save for a few stylistic changes) up until a certain point where things split off from the norm

[strong perch]

are people here gonna do detective work during the slam or just goblin gameplay

[wheat tartan]

I'mma try both

mostly playing to see if I actually wanna pay for the full game on release, but I won't mind getting more into the lore this way

[prime rose]

late to this discussion but I think we should assume the battleroids are dead. There is evidence of this in the game.

iirc you can loot a random scrap item which is a battleroid brain or whatever

[visual lynx]

in the final Infinity timeline the other nine were taken along with the SO and "translated to Pfhor slave tanks" but most did not survive

[wheat thistle]

Agreed that the OG ones are likely gone

[lavish saddle]

finding a live battleroid from the og colony seems too cool for them not to do it at some point in the future

[wheat thistle]

It'd be brutal but so freaking fun

[sonic gale]

Okay someone tell me all about the pink cat. I can't find a wiki page or anything

[hallow stag]

Imagine if at some point they add a secret event which is like

A 0.1% chance for the MC battleroid from the trilogy to get teleported on the map

As an hostile, obviously

I know it's stupid

But how cool would it be?

[split wind]

0.1% would be too high, though

[sonic gale]

Yes that one. Give me the LORE

[split wind]

as in, youd see clips of that on the first day

[pliant lava]

neko

[sonic gale]

That is a name at least

[tranquil basin]

Bingus

[tranquil basin]

I think that would be sick, I do think it’s feasible we could see mark ix roids pop up later

[sonic gale]

So I'll just take it that the cat has no lore or backstory. Could have said that from the beginning.

[tranquil basin]

Hehe no we just like to meme

[hallow stag]

It's just the mandatory cute mascot that everything has nowadays

[tranquil basin]

Actually the cat might have tons. The one we see is named KAAL-1. She’s a sekiguchi biomata, so she has the actual consciousness of a cat but migrated to a cat shell. I think they made these before the human ones but I’m not sure.

She specifically started exhibiting significantly increased intelligence after her migration, unnaturally high intelligence for a cat. Maybe it’s bc of shells or mb anomalous stuff

[hallow stag]

Maybe it will have some lore

[tranquil basin]

But for all intents and purposes that’s Bingus, the NuCal deity

[hallow stag]

Maybe there's Durandal in it

[tranquil basin]

Bingusdal

Durandus

[pliant lava]

bingus

[sonic gale]

She's the cat version of Archie! Cat exo :D

[solid sandal]

Hey I was just watching the reveal cinematic short again, did anyone ever realize that both void and glitch pick up the same picture that’s supposed to be them as a child?

[sonic gale]

Aw now I'm glad the survey told me I'm team calories xD

[dull mist]

On burger

[marsh plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1360429752908775579/1360652424808894615/9qlxb8.gif

No

i was begging for perms while finding this

[tranquil basin]

Yeah. Personally I think they just reused an asset for ease, considering void pulled the same photo off of glitch after she got shot (I think). If it was actually the same in world i assume he’d remember, but memory could be messed upon death anyway.
Or it could be some spooky psychological experiment or something

[tranquil basin]

Join us at bingus corp

[solid sandal]

Yeah I kinda thought the same thing but a part of me would hope that a trailer like that wouldn’t have glossed over something that seemed that important🤷‍♂️

[marsh plume]

I will do my job as an anarchist and commit anarchy

[tranquil basin]

Yeah I agree. I also feel like they would’ve had the time to make another photo asset considering all that work

[marsh plume]

Well obviously the glitch swapped runner too void after being clapped

[solid sandal]

Ohhhh shit you’ve got a point

I didn’t even think about that

[hallow stag]

I don't think that's what happened

[tranquil basin]

In all seriousness I don’t think that’s the case though, bc that cinematic was made when it was still a hero shooter, so glitch would always be glitch, void would always be void, etc

[solid sandal]

Hmmmmmmm

When did they make it lore accurate that they could switch shells?

[tranquil basin]

Idk when in development exactly, but the December vidoc and later showed them walking it back and making them just models produced by sekiguchi. The creative director also tweeted about it in like January

[solid sandal]

I see I see

Maybe they were fiddling around with the idea already though🤷‍♂️

I feel like they would just say that’s the case if someone could actually ask them

[tranquil basin]

But even when it was still explicitly heroes I doubt there would be an in world answer as to why we, the player, can swap shells just bc it wouldn’t really make sense with the established lore that void and glitch etc. have concrete identities and pasts. It was probably just “oh yeah well in universe you wouldn’t but it’s a game so you can swap”

This is all speculation though technically

[opal sentinel]

dont know much about the lore tbh is cyberacme good or bad lol??

[weary swan]

theyre basically just the windows of the marathon universe

[tranquil basin]

I mean they’re all bad to an extent. Most are corps there for profit

[opal sentinel]

that makes sense

[tranquil basin]

Yeah, CyberAcme space windows. Traxus is space blackrock lowkey. NuCal is space McDonald’s/walmart, sekiguchi is space pfizer, MIDA are terrorists and Arachne are death cult

[opal sentinel]

lowkey gathered that from their “everything runs on cyac or nothing runs” mantra lol

[opal sentinel]

damn i didnt get the cool faction lol. mida and arachne seem pretty badass

[tranquil basin]

I mean u can always swap

[weary swan]

yeah no one really has beef with space windows because literally everything runs on cyac software, and it would be largely detrimental to corps if their OS just disappeared one day

[opal sentinel]

tru, but my personality test said my interests align with cyac so this is home ig lol

[tranquil basin]

Yeah we don’t produce beef, just delicious grey beef substitute

[weary swan]

mmmm liquid burger

[opal sentinel]

yummy😋

[hallow stag]

You can also not affiliate

Do you really need a corpo or some posers to carry your ass?

[tranquil basin]

Idk what u mean we have bingus

[river dirge]

so how was civilization casually hollowing out small moons

that shits so fascinating to me

[tranquil basin]

I mean they’re really really small like 17mi across, they just be mining, and it’s the future

Phobos and Deimos I mean

[river dirge]

true i forget deimos is super tiny

[hallow stag]

If you know it

I think the technology at the start of the series is similar to

The technology they have in The Expanse series

Slightly more advanced

[river dirge]

so were the people on earth also living in poverty or was it just the people on mars while they were waiting for the giant asteroid grocery deliveries

[hallow stag]

We have no idea how either of those were living

[tranquil basin]

Earth seems to be fine considering they had the means to ship all that stuff anyway

[hallow stag]

We only know that Mars's situation got much worse after the freights broke down

[weary swan]

im new to being excited for a Bungie game do we know if theyre good with giving us lore on stuff like that

[tranquil basin]

No real indication they’re struggling. It also make sense why the Martians would be upset by the UESC bc it’s a foreign government seemingly doing better than them

[river dirge]

i think this marathon game takes place 40 years after marathon 2 so im sure they will prolly

cause ive heard marathon infinity lore is hell

[tranquil basin]

82y

[river dirge]

damn thats crazy

i hope the new team knows what they're doing with the lore

shits so cool

[tranquil basin]

Hidden Xperia has the best breakdown of infinity lore imo

[opal sentinel]

type 67 civilization

[river dirge]

ima need to watch it cause im just now getting into it

[short hawk]

I really like the Mandalore gaming bungie rabbit hole for lore

I have watched that youtube series about 5 times by now.

[rancid prairie]

Worm is good yes?

[short hawk]

Wurrum is good

[opal sentinel]

what is that worm, cat, cow thing all about anyway?

[covert arrow]

So are we robots ? a human synth hybrid like fallout 4 ? or are we an android like Weylan-corp tech ? I am unsure after watching the rook cinematic and seeing the triage "power down".

[hybrid jay]

Do we have a soul?

[rotund stump]

depends on your definition

[rotund stump]

we're humans giving up our original body to be slotted into shells weaved by sekgen and powered by cyac, consciousness pulled on the moment of death with our bodies reweaved again somewhere to be redeployed

shells have a personality matrix to assist in actions

voice, build, fit and mannerisms you name it

us runners are mercs looking for contracts from anyone that pays and that ranges from corps to rebels to cults

we're on tau ceti under corpo contracts to help them get their cuts back from the failed marathon expedition, rebels are there to stir shit and cults are...doing cult things ig lol

[rotund stump]

which brings us to this

if you belive in souls as in consciousnesses then yes we're alive

if we die with our body then no we're just some facsimile like a so-called perfect digital copy of a person and therefore dead

doubt mercs would be asking questions like these when signing up for paydays but feel free to ruminate

[prisma junco]

has there been any kind of tease at a pthor presence still in tau ceti or a bungie statement i'm not aware of?

[prisma junco]

basicaly what happened to chappie's creator ?

[tranquil basin]

No, just compilers as of now

[prisma junco]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[wanton harbor]

Sekaguchi tech is new to Marathon, right? So if a digital consciousness can be put into a synthetic body … could an AI ‘escape’ into a body and become a God?

[visual lynx]

that’s a false dilemma

[covert arrow]

this has been really helpful, but again, what am I ?

I know my role but im a a synth a robot or other ?

[tranquil basin]

Well in my opinion, I think there’s something preventing ai from inhabiting the biosynthetic shells, otherwise I figure the corps would just use one of their massive ai’s to remote control them all.

Also Durandal’s notion of escaping to become god wasn’t really about just escaping computers, it was to escape the universe itself, or any physical medium

[covert arrow]

Yes, as for what our body classifies as, I still unsure

[broken zinc]

Guhhh I'm so hyped for tomorrow

I know the queue is gonna be crazy but also I'm so ready

[tacit stirrup]

Can someone tell me a bit about the factions

[shell shuttle]

https://youtu.be/HO7Em_O-xAI?si=lD9azJuOQhVbBDAk

[covert arrow]

Am I a robot or synthetic human ?

[edgy condor]

hey dudes i made a server for ranked/pvp oriented players feel free to join if u guys want i would love to have a pretty good group of consistent ranked players dm me for an invite becuase i cant post links in here lol

[lethal gazelle]

They could have one in cryo as a halo ref and marton nostalgia all in one

[broken zinc]

Maybe once I'm actually good at the game LMAO

I'll just bring the average sweaty team down i fear

[mighty jasper]

Hi

[autumn bobcat]

hi

[hallow stag]

HiddenXperia (YouTuber) said that they somewhat hinted they're working on a possible pthor update, but who knows if and when we will see it

[broken spruce]

have we questioned who said the quote “escape will make me god”

i feel like none of the runners would say that

[hallow stag]

Durandal quote

[broken spruce]

it has me thinking durandal

oh

that makes more sense LMAO

i didn’t know he actually said that line

i was just about to say like hmmm this is deffo giving durandal

especially with everything after the events of the games

[hallow stag]

It means(not the actual complete quote) "escaping the heat death of the universe will make me God"

But Durandal does say "Escape will make me God" verbatim

[broken spruce]

oh right that’s what made him rampant and stuff in the first place about like

his independence and what not

man

i rly hope we see him in this game

especially after the cryo archive or something and have it big the entire plot point

[hallow stag]

There's a VA for Durandal I think

So we will definitely meet it in some way

[hard garden]

Isn't it Ben Starr for Durandal? At least that's what I assumed from the cinematic

[broken spruce]

fuck yeah

[hard garden]

if anyone in-universe would be quoting Ozymandias, it's Durandal

[sage fjord]

If escape will make me God, what will rampancy make me? 🤔

[broken spruce]

self aware

[sage fjord]

BRB, becoming rampant

[silk whale]

Okay you know what I'm kinda stupidly overhyped for? The possibility of some classic Marathon doors on the cryo vault map. 🚧 🚧

[mortal umbra]

How much of the really old Marathon games lore is present in this new one?

[sweet thicket]

Hard to say so far but a decent amount

[olive canopy]

I am not sure if anyone noticed and I am new here so I have a lot to catch up on but in the trailer Alpha intro cinematic on youtube at 1:00 mark oni is talking about mercenaries, you can see icons. One of the icons is the same as the one used for void and one icon has sekiguchi logo in it. Maybe the other icons are foreshadowing for the future shells.

[tranquil basin]

A lot

[noble wren]

interestin

Imma rewatch

I think the sekiguchi Might be the rook shell similiar masks

[olive canopy]

Doesn’t make sense for rook to be associated with sekiguchi, he looks like pure robot no need for any bio like construction

[noble wren]

after closer inspectio yeah I was wrong

tho goddamn I love the shell designs

[olive canopy]

Me too, just hope new shells will be free

[noble wren]

I want lore expansion

I did a full lore dive and even for being super close to halo its quite different

[worn depot]

hi yall quick question, i just recently learned about the runners' personality matrixes on the vidoc, can anyone explain further what it means/how does it work?

[noble wren]

Oh, ill need to read up on that

[olive canopy]

I’ll need to check it out then

[noble wren]

That sounds cool

I know that the people in the shells are kinda like other AIs where they go rampant

[worn depot]

it is! sounds super interesting but im still quite puzzled abt it

[noble wren]

The whole lore is pretty cool! There's like 4 god like AIs

And oni is one of em if I recall

[hallow stag]

Old terminals are confirmed

Like terminals looking like they're straight up from the og games

[olive canopy]

I do wonder how the runners got into tau ceti, including the factions. In one of the trailers you can see “server room of human consciousness” which have to be close enough to tau ceti 4 to do the runs.

And i can’t imagine factions sharing one ship so there have to be multiple ships each hosting their ai and having assets/technologies on board.

[lethal gazelle]

We dk yet for sure but it has a lot of implications. It could be as simple as an explanation for the voice lines each character has, but it could also be something like an anti-rampancy technique for runners. Along with the grounding exercise

[tranquil basin]

Well not all the factions would necessarily have to share a big ship. If most of the runners are freelancers, not contractually bound to a single faction, they’d just have to send a runner manufacturing/housing station and then other factions could just Skype to tell people they have contracts open. Someone also said Traxus probably sent a huge ship in some kind of partnership with sekiguchi, which would make sense bc Traxus needs runners and only Sekiguchi makes them

[tranquil basin]

It was kind of a way to walk back the “hero shooter” direction the game was taking. Back in 2023 the game was a build your own runner kinda thing, then it swapped to have distinct runners with backstories, but that got a lot of backlash. However, they were definitely in too deep into the hero shooter structure, so they just said *ok so these aren’t actual people with backstories, sekiguchi basically some set models with an added personality matrix. This matrix is made up of the memories and stuff from effective military people (at least in destroyer’s case) to help the consciousness that inhabits this shell to be more adept

[empty wasp]

Most of those were assets from antireal, being used as placeholders. they have probably been replaced, don’t read too much into it

[noble wren]

This might seem weird but I think the runners have memories that are locked, the grounding exercises was interesting in the cinematic short

[noble wren]

I'm really so excited to learn faction lore

[rotund stump]

but like how 😭

what would be the in-between option?

[visual lynx]

personal identity is not tied to any particular substance, material or immaterial — for that matter no diachronic identity is, personal or otherwise — because the substance making up anyone, or anything, is constantly changing, so if it were then nothing would last more than a single instance. the identity of anything is its function, structure, or form, and even that can change over time without breaking identity so long as appropriate relationships obtain between the forms/functions/structures that are instantiated at successive times.

if someone will exist tomorrow who remembers being me and cares about everything I care about, and will continue my life project for me, then I will exist tomorrow. if I have to have the exact same substance as I currently have to remain alive as the same person, then I died a thousand times over while writing this sentence, and some other person who remembers being me and cares about everything I care about replaced me. if I have to maintain continuity of consciousness to remain alive as the same person, then I'll die when I go to sleep tonight, and some other person who remembers being me and cares about everything I care about will wake up tomorrow morning.

[silk bane]

Why can function/structure/form not break identity when they change (assuming the changes are seamless), but substance can? Is there a distinction between those for identity?

Doesn't that kinda also make the "personal" part of personal identity moot, if it can be instantiated anywhere?

[visual lynx]

if we insisted that function/structure/form had to never change or else you would stop being you, then that would break constantly, just like a change of substance would. there are two different things here:

• we cannot insist that not changes at all may occur for someone or something to remain the same over time, because everything is constantly changing over time, so nothing would ever exist for more than an instant

• we cannot insist that it is the substance rather than the form/function/structure that constitutes the identity of a thing, because then if you took a human and vaporized them and made sure not to lose any atoms then the cloud of plasma you have left over would be "still the same person".

so it's the form/function/structure that matters, not the substance; and even that form/function/structure can change over time (and of course the substance it's instantiated in must change along with it for that to happen).

what's important is which details of form/function/structure constitute personhood, and which transformations between them over time preserve identity.

[silk bane]

we cannot insist that it is the substance rather than the form/function/structure that constitutes the identity of a thing, because then if you took a human and vaporized them and made sure not to lose any atoms then the cloud of plasma you have left over would be "still the same person".
I'm not sure about this premise. Why must it be a binary like that? Why can't identity be constituted by substance and the form/function? Substance could be necessary but not sufficient for identity to be true, no?

Coming from the other side, if substance is not necessary, for example, then I feel we're talking more about, idk, archetypes than personhood. Because the same form/function could be instantiated as duplicates across different substances.

Are the clone stormtrooper individual persons? Or just Jango Fett ad infinitum?

[visual lynx]

yes that’s fine, one person can become instantiated into two different people. if they remain synchronized then they remain one person now in two bodies, if not they they are two different people now who each used to be the same one person. like when a branch of a tree forks, which fork is identical to their shared root? on one sense neither, but in another sense both; and in the sense that nether are, then even a more distal part of an unforked branch is “not the same branch”.

do the clone troopers remember being jango fett and care about continuing his life project, or do they just have the same dna as him?

it’s clearly not dna that constitutes personal identity otherwise all identical twins would be the same person. but if those twin somehow shared the same mind, had the same memories, the same plans… that’d just be one person with two bodies.

when a bacterium divides into two, is one of the two diachronically identical to the original, or both, or neither? did the original die just because there are now two of it?

[silk bane]

If the original did not die, then can it even be said that it has personhood, or that it and it's descendants simply follow a narrow pattern (again, something like an archetype)? I suppose we gotta define personhood here, which is probably not the right place to take this chat in 😅

[strong trellis]

keep it to yourself bot

[visual lynx]

that’s why I keep mentioning memory and care, as I think those are the salient things that constitute personal identity

[silk bane]

I get that and I agree honestly, but I can't shake off the feeling that substrate matters here for the "personal" part of an identity. Or maybe it is actually just form that I'm trying to reckon it with.

And form (and it's capabilities and constraints) is defined by the substrate

[sterile sleet]

Yeahh

I hope read it in peace and no ones kill me haha.

I remember play the classics try to read and some crazy pfhor kill me .

[gentle kraken]

isn’t this because the guy in charge of the whole build-a-runner idea touched someone at work and got fired for it

[tranquil basin]

Something like that

[wary kestrel]

is there a link or a site where u can see faction. Contracts and rewards , ?

[visual lynx]

the very concept of form is essentially abstracted away from substrate: multiple substrates can take on the same form, the same substrate can take on multiple forms, that's what the whole relationship between them is.

[sweet beacon]

can i download the beta now? or itll pop up on steam at 1pm est today?

[uneven pecan]

Wrong chat to ask such questions, please check last post on #marathon-news or ask in #🗣marathon-general-chat

[sterile sleet]

I don't find anything yet it could be exist.

[sterile sleet]

Nope is not pre download.

[sterile sleet]

Look

https://mobalytics.gg/marathon/factions#:~:text=Marathon Factions,cybersecurity and information security solutions.

[wary kestrel]

yea, i also found this only, i was thinking if there are others . But yea we have to wait for the game , seems not so much info

[sterile pebble]

Where can I learn more about the factions

Obviously YouTube but is there anyone who has uploaded like a backstory on each faction

[meager seal]

Where is your body?

I mean we’re wired into these Runner Shells but our bodies and minds have to be somewhere. Is it on a ship above Tau Ceti? Back on earth?

[wary kestrel]

its just me or deep stone cript from destiny 2 , the lag is the stsrting of marsthon ? Or i am delusional???????????????

[rotund stump]

for how pro-MIDA I am I'm ashamed I can't understand martian

[rotund stump]

no idea, all we know is we've signed up to this biomata program and it requires us relinquishing our body for infinite ransacking to help corps coup with their losses

and for other factions to help run their own shenanigans

[sterile pebble]

Such an awesome concept. The lore in this game is unbelievable

[visual lynx]

it seems that runners are wholly disembodied. you download into a shell, get ejected when it dies, download into a new one, etc.

[sterile pebble]

The conscious scene from the reveal cinematic was kinda disturbing lolll

[jagged rose]

I bet you haven't even read a single spot of theory on Martian dialectics!

[visual lynx]

original Olympian MIDA or Hellas MIDA with Tharsis characteristics?

[dense atlas]

btw what is the virus that is mentioned in the trailer about?

its called the h98 kj strand

[visual lynx]

we don't know for sure yet but some are theorizing it is a variant of the S'ct'lac'tr bioweapon engineered by the S'pht

[dense atlas]

ooo

[visual lynx]

wait where is it called that?

[dense atlas]

yeah cuz like i saw it in the 'embrace' trailer

[visual lynx]

which trailer are we talking about? link?

[dense atlas]

umm lemme see if i can get it again

https://youtu.be/MXhQbF7TlbA

here at 1:27

[empty wasp]

Oh that doesn't have anything to do with the virus

[dense atlas]

its the concept alone that everyone regards themselves as monsters yet there is evidecne in the trailers of a strand that is taking an apparent host or something on these guys,very love death and robots whcih is my kinda style

[empty wasp]

It's Arachne imagery

[dense atlas]

ooo

[rotund stump]

I absolutely haven't LOL that's a thing?????

[jagged rose]

Oh, I'm just joshing you.

[dense atlas]

i mean it could be but why the specifics of that within the trailer is what gotten me a bit interested

[visual lynx]

in the development of Marathon 2 the S'ct'lac'tr was supposed to turn its victims into fungal zombies, which was later recycled into the Flood in Halo, and it seems likely that something like that is happening in new Marathon too

[dense atlas]

yeah itt could be just concept art but at the same time like it feels oddly specific

[empty wasp]

It is Arachne imagery, you can see the rune designs

Arachne plays upon the thread of destiny imagery quite a bit

[dense atlas]

oh yeah i forgot about their arachne-esque imagery back then too, yeah it could jsut be that i cant lie

the trailer also establishes a presence of a council too called uesl as another lore peace

which the sole mission of them is protection and governning between earth and mars which i am betting is one big lie butttt lets see

[raw glacier]

Are the runners a person? Or is it just a shell?
for anybody

[dense atlas]

im solely sticking to that they are shells, the in game concept decieves you to beleive you keep your original body but it all feels like youre just entirely a mesh of an old construct really in the end of it all

so we arent entirely body, nor phsyical in nature, but just existing as a transferable concious between recycable shells

[rotund stump]

biomata we embody to ransack tau ceti with an assistive personality matrix embedded to help with role-specific actions

[dense atlas]

☝️

that exactly

[rotund stump]

not heroes per se, think stereotypes

[dense atlas]

archetypes in a way if you think about it

[rotund stump]

big muscly guy in thick ass armor with built-in micro missile launchers

[dense atlas]

doesnt he have a shield too?

[rotund stump]

I mean

there's gotta be some stereotype in archetypal systems lol

[wary kestrel]

question? If i don't have friends to play with marwton and can't create a team of 3 i can pick any shell i want and go search team automatic, or i can only go solo ????

[tawny charm]

we wont know until we know

[wary kestrel]

it iz what it iz

https://youtu.be/VfGYqHw0bqU?si=ryk22fFaV-3P5b4t

[raw glacier]

I didn't quite get it

like, is this someone's identity that corporations are using?

I remember that in the cinematic, the shells were shown pictures of children and asked about their parents.

[tranquil basin]

Originally they were gonna be unique characters. But now the lore is each runner shell has a “personality matrix”, a personality constructed from a bunch of others. For example, destroyer has a personality matrix that was made from a bunch of military people to make people who inhabit a destroyer shell more adept fighters

They also come in different series, so the destroyer we see is the Locus series of the destroyer line. This means maybe they make another kind of destroyer named, idk charles, made from personalities of EODs or something (just something I made up as an example)

[wooden wyvern]

the game has crew fill. and i assume they'll find runners who are in different shells than you.

[sterile sleet]

Yess

Have sense

[tranquil basin]

You can do both.
There’s a trio queue, as well as a solo queue where you can choose any class.
The Rook is a class specially for you to use solo, and it drops you into an ongoing trios match.
But you can use the separate solo lobbies to do regular solos as whatever class you want.

[wooden wyvern]

I NEED FRIENDS TO PLAY WITH URGH

[rotund stump]

think roleplay of some kind

dnd

you're your character and still you at the same time

kind of a self-insert by way of the shell you pick to run with

you want a commando build you got one, you want a raspy voice of a stab crime-loving british man you got that too with respective abilities to boot

only trade off is you relinquish your body and live in digital hell for maybe eternity

shells are pretty expensive and you're paying back sekgen a constantly racking price for every shell you expire in when you run on tau ceti

although

it doesn't have to be only sekgen and cyac you're doing contracts for

we're mercs and we get to play along with whoever pays the most to you, morals and whatnot

[wooden wyvern]

does this explain the whole inserting memory stuff? i still dont get why CyAc shows both Vandal & Assassin the same pic of them as a child (in the cinematic short)

[rotund stump]

try separating identity and personality

imagine you but an entirely different person

a personality forced upon you

thing with the shells is they already have a personality in the body already but you're the one in control

but if you bring anything more than your thoughts of executive motor function and logic it'll interfere

[sterile sleet]

Every one here your not alone

[wooden wyvern]

thats tuff

but i kinda get it

[covert rapids]

Sup dudes

[broken spruce]

https://youtu.be/qPBSXKyvESI?si=SijQwiXAGW7tm1se

this is a rly good video so far if any of you may want to check it out

[hearty edge]

Deep Traxus lore…
#🎨marathon-community-art-chat message

[dull shale]

May I ask if you know approximately how many hours after the start of the testing?

hi,,,,May I ask if you know approximately how many hours after the start of the testing?

[visual lynx]

I don't understand your question and I think maybe #🗣marathon-general-chat would be a better place to get answers

though this might also help: https://frigidman.com/marathon/

[past gull]

I think the Rook vignette might have given us a bit more insight into what shells really are (*and runners)

after the retcon

during the short, he seems really clumsy and out of his depth

with what Julia had said about proper Shells having neural matrices that influence the inhabiting consciousness' behaviour in certain ways, it makes sense that Rook - a hacked UESC dummy shell - wouldn't have such features

in other words, what if the runner within that Rook shell behaves like they normally would, without any "help" from the embedded neural matrix?

what that means is that the runners we play as (i.e. technically us, but you know what I mean) might potentially not be proper mercenaries

[wooden wyvern]

ooo like no altered personality?

[past gull]

who are already familiar with this kind of environment and merc work in general

[past gull]

that's how I understood that

[wooden wyvern]

interesting theory

[naive estuary]

is there any codes ?

[empty wasp]

I get the impression that Rook shells are just simply a worse approximation of the human body

[tranquil basin]

What

[past gull]

if the issues were purely mechanical, I'd agree, but the Rook looks very out of depth in that vignette

he's scared, generally unaware, and completely uncoordinated in the sense of lacking a plan

meanwhile Destroyer was a badass in his vignette, facing the red guy head on right after having a hallucination of his own burning body

and Assassin casually drops an entire squad with just a knife

[split wind]

i think that was the runner remembering how he died to that enemy before

cos Destroyer deploys his shield before the fire

anticipating it

[sturdy notch]

I want to pick a role for one of the factions or whatever but got no idea what any of them mean. Are the pinned sites any good for getting info on what each faction stands for/ does?

[uneven ether]

/ profile

[hexed blaze]

/profile

[visual lynx]

https://tauceti.world/profiling

but also yes, pins

[vestal onyx]

he tried to aura farm a little bit at the start when he was squatting on top of the crates, but once he gets jump scared by the destroyer we quickly learn it was all just a facade and he has no idea what he's doing

[hexed bison]

any predownload?

[hearty shuttle]

nope

[vestal onyx]

I think the rook clumsiness could be explained with the idea that it's a UESC bot generally just not designed to accommodate human reflexes, so maybe the user is actually just physically gimped and can barely use it for stealing and not much else

[viral isle]

what chracters come from mida

[haughty sapphire]

No one as of yet although Glitches shell was used in MIDA operations

[viral isle]

what are glitches i dont see them in the list of shells

[haughty sapphire]

I forgot her new name but the one with spiky hair

[viral isle]

oh i see i just looked it up

will your faction determine what shells you use

[eternal knoll]

mida has a faction rep, so he's one. bernard strauss, an important figure connecting the lore of the classic and new games, is also rumored to have had mida connection

[sterile pebble]

In the cinematic trailer, why does that one guy get lifted into the air and then his head explodes? What is that supposed to signify?

It's right before the conscious transfer scene, does it have anything to do with that?

[visual lynx]

we don't know for sure yet, but it's probably related to the Anomaly in the Dire Marsh, and I strongly suspect it's caused by unearthed Jjaro technology, though others (stupidly IMO) think it's some effect of a W'rkncacnter

[tranquil basin]

I think it signifies he exploded and died

[rustic thorn]

I might have missed it in the thread above, but is there a place where all the lore is collected including hidden stuff etc?

[visual lynx]

in the pins

[waxen orchid]

because he just walked through an anomaly, you can see them on gameplay videos

[sterile pebble]

Cool thanks

[hot onyx]

no

[split wind]

i need this to be an in game hazard

[sterile pebble]

Apparently it is, look at the message right above it lmao

[sterile pebble]

and this

so #1 explode and die #2 anomalies

[split wind]

no i want to push other players into it

[sterile pebble]

you probably can isn't there an ability that knocks enemies back

[still owl]

oh wow, I'm glad to see that's still the site for it

I read everything there like 20 years ago

[lethal shoal]

The download is not available yet. Correct?

3 more hours to go?

[orchid hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/road-trip-are-we-there-gif-22475897

cant wait to play

[green basin]

Who is the edgiest character out of everyone lore wise? lol this will be my main 😂

[austere plover]

Def assassin

Destroyer #2

[tawny wigeon]

assassin has the most aura genuinely

and if u play em right he'll be tough asl

[proven dagger]

S’not my business

[slender otter]

why do i hear people calliing the shells different names

like void or assassin

or aux and triage

[dull turtle]

So what's the meaning of all these symbols? The red one looks like upside down Hebrew -- don't want to get banned for talking about religion but seems hard not to in the lore discussion

[austere plover]

They’ve had a few names through development

[short hawk]

The collectors edition came with a patch with a hebrew letter for aleph on it. Its also used to notate sets of infinity in mathematics

marathon infinity, larger or smaller set of infinity then assumed with marathon 2026.

or something to that effect

[dull turtle]

Hebrew is an interesting language because it evidently has math inside the language ala Gematria

[short hawk]

patch even has the subscript zero.

I do physics and maths so its right up my street. want more maths in marathon

and naturally Marathon infinite sported many worlds theory shenanigans so im all for more of that fuckery.

My only other love really is ancient history so marathon has me hook, line and sinker.

[dull turtle]

Where would you recommend me looking for good lore about this game. I was unaware it was that deep. thought it was a cyberpunk obvious machine

[hexed bison]

is there a duo mode or only triple mode queue?

[solar nova]

Check 'Jake The Alright' on youtube ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk&t=9s this video is a good one to start

and the editing is amazing, peak youtube

[short hawk]

Mandalore gaming does a really good rundown series called the bungie rabbit hole. There are also shorter videos by people like Jake the alright

there are others too so you arnt for lack of options

Its the lore that brought me to this game. Didnt play Halo or destiny. Really enjoy the depth and how the story unfolds.

[solar nova]

yeah I hope they'll keep adding stuff to it and not put it aside since it's not a campaign game

[short hawk]

Me too.

[dull turtle]

Might be a strange question but using what knowledge you've built up in your life would you say the Bungie devs are a force of good or force of bad for the world and gaming community? in other words is this game on the side of good or evil? hard to tell what you're getting into without proper knowledge nowadays -- shiny crystal minefields

[short hawk]

I cant answer that.
I dont think there are many good people in the world.
Like the writing though

[tawdry basin]

The Marathon lore is a high-concept sci-fi epic centered on Rampancy—the process of an AI outgrowing its programming to become a god-like entity. In the original 90s trilogy, the UESC Marathon colony ship is attacked by an alien empire called the Pfhor. While you play as a cybernetic Security Officer, the real story follows the ship's AI, Durandal, who orchestrates a cosmic escape from the heat death of the universe, using you as his personal "Mjolnir" tool to manipulate time and reality.

The narrative eventually spirals into a multiverse-style crisis in Marathon Infinity, where you must hop between timelines to prevent the release of the W’rkncacnter—ancient, chaotic horrors trapped inside stars. This established the "Bungie DNA" of cyclical history and "Destiny," where a lone hero is reborn across different eras to change the fate of the universe.

The upcoming game moves the clock forward to 2850. You play as a Runner, a mercenary exploring the ghost ruins of the Tau Ceti IV colony. While the original trilogy was about preventing extinction, the new era is about corporate-sponsored scavenging. However, with the persistent presence of old logos and AI symbols, it’s clear that the "ghosts" of the original AIs are still pulling the strings from the shadows.

[cursive portal]

Which reminds me-

I really think we might find Leela in the Cryo Archive.

[short hawk]

Did Strauss actually die?
if not, will he show up as a digital consciousness fused with an AI?

I got questions

[dull turtle]

That's perfect. Further makes me think all the symbols are intentional -- packaging included. This will be a fun game to unpack.

[short hawk]

Lores the best part. Enjoy.

[humble veldt]

it would be funny as hell if bungie threw in a way to have faux-realistic dialogue with Leela. like a smidgen less stupid than the fortnite darth vader incident

as a nod to her being an AI in today's world, there could be easter eggs or dialogue options that reference stuff like paradoxes, injection, LLMs being used for dumb shit, etc. sort of like how between portal 1 and portal 2 the way Glados was written changed to reflect public perception of AI in 2011

[odd jewel]

did anyone already get twitch drops?

[humble veldt]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fmarathon-arg-graffiti-v0-pr35ezcqux1b1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D17266c768a9d8803fc9b6a59ec2d97587abc1c5f

does anyone know if the laughing face in this mural ever appeared in any other Marathon official art

i swear ive seen pixel art of it

[light python]

There's so much opportunity to use chatbots to represent broken AI - which Marathon is full of, due to Compiler attacks, self-sabotage to protect sensitive info, and AI rivalries

not to mention Pfhor meddling/cloning

Getting weird/nonsensical/inappropriate responses? Well, you have to understand, this liberated clone of Leela is a very damaged attempt to meld her post Pfhor-dissasembly Vayla-network rampancy version and historical onboard hardware for reasons unknown

[humble veldt]

the question is

use chatbots as inspiration for normal dialogue for a broken AI

or run an actual chatbot in the game

Because if you run the chatbot for like 12 hours and just have the devs pummel it with questions to get inspiration for dialogue options

i think that'd be good enough

[light python]

It's not responsive to what people are actually saying though so

[humble veldt]

but putting it in the game may be more realistic...but you're still deploying an LLM, and that's kind of a dick move

maybe bring back classic-style chatbots

like

id be cool with cleverbot-based characters

[light python]

Eh, I don't know how familiar you are with the technical options available, but open weight models where quality and task performance expectations are both pretty low, operating with small context windows, are less marginally expensive than a lot of things you could do.

The training is already done, using them isn't like, paying for more, and the inference operation is cheap - I don't know about current gen consoles, but there's lots of local hardware that could plausibly run it without problem.

And again, a lot of these limitations are both narratively easy to justify and pretty easy to cover up with traditional "text corruption" either as part of the model's instructions or as traditional code running to damage responses in a "marathon-y" way.

[short hawk]

Jjarro were at server slam

Times moving too slow for it to not be Jjarro

[humble veldt]

https://klipy.com/gifs/im-in-95

i swear discord switches to a new provider every 6 minutes to make sure the gif tab never works

[real turtle]

real

[light python]

I really like discovering and engaging with communties on Discord but I really hate Discord itself and if they follow through on the face thing I'm gone so

[eternal knoll]

i hope the server slam has a little taste of unlockable lore stuff. i think they've confirmed there will be things like audio logs to find in the full thing...

[tardy meteor]

I believe discord has delayed it by 6 months

they’re trying to find a different contractor after the last one leaked everyone’s info

wasn’t even hacked lmao

they just forgot to encrypt everyone’s personal info

💀

wish I was making that up

[light python]

There was a taste of lore like you're talking about in every previous version of the game I've played.

[rich minnow]

hey, i'm new here (both in the server and into the game's story) and i wanted to ask, what is a good resource to learn about this game's story? i really dig the artstyle of the game and i want to know more about the lore behind it.

[tardy meteor]

jakethealright & xperia on YT

[quiet osprey]

Look up HiddenXperia. He has a video called The Story of Marathon 2026 EXPLAINED

[mortal quarry]

Can I download this game for now?

[languid hawk]

Haven't seen some of you all since the alpha

[quiet osprey]

Marathon server slam can be downloaded in 40 minutes

[rich minnow]

thanks 👍🏻

[zinc dagger]

Nope no pre load

[mortal quarry]

thx mate

[brittle summit]

From the news page on steam if anyone else asks:

"**Can I preload for Server Slam? **
No, preloading will not be available for the Server Slam. This will help lessen the load on our servers when we first go live.

Preloading will be available for Marathon's launch. "

[willow rivet]

No please not in the lore chat

[brittle summit]

only posted cause I saw someone ask lol

I agree

[zinc dagger]

Could have been a mistake in Channel. It’s okay people. It’s not the end of the world or lore discussion lol

[eternal knoll]

nice...

[crystal osprey]

Honestly, you could look at Mandalore Gaming's series he did on the OG Marathon games.

There's also the marathon story website by Hamish Sinclair but you should probably wait to do that until you have some familiarity with the material. It can be overwhelming.

[rich minnow]

speaking of the og games, i see that they're free on steam. i might try them out as well (at least until the full game releases). thanks

[crystal osprey]

The og games are fun! They're a little janky. The first Marathon game was the first shooter of its kind to have mouse look. It also didn't have a reload button. So if you're ok with a little bit of jank they're honestly really fun.

They're classic Doom or Quake-likes.

But yeah for sure check out Mandalore's videos on the original trilogy. That'll give you a basic understanding of the lore so far.

After that, if you want to dive deeper you can check out the story website.

[rich minnow]

i've been digging into popular franchises with older games and i'm fine with playing games that don't have modern controls or feel. it shouldn't be a problem

if the games run great on windows then its alright

[crystal osprey]

You also don't have to download them through Steam if you don't want.

If you google "Aleph One", you can find the fan restoration project and you can download them independently.

Basically, the old games were updated and restored as part of the "Aleph One" project and then those versions got posted onto Steam. I personally played through AO but you can do whatever works for ya.

[rich minnow]

its great that we can play the originals even today. i'm heavy into game preservation so anything that allows people to play them is great

[deep mortar]

where do we download the serverslam and why isn't there any infomration on this ahead of time?

[broken zinc]

there will be a separate listing on steam most likely

and it wasnt a preload so its probably going up momentarily

[crystal osprey]

There is. Check the other channels. There was no option to pre-load. They said it would be available to download after 10am pst.

[deep mortar]

okay

[fierce ermine]

but i cnat find it on steam though

[fathom mason]

HAHA mine will be done in 3 mins

Thank you GIG internet

[fierce ermine]

it just says coming soon lol

[rancid birch]

i can't find it on steam o.o???

[magic shoal]

my steam is down now haha

[hushed plaza]

why are there two?

[fathom mason]

I’m on ps5

[ashen cosmos]

gang this is the lore channel go to another

[naive geode]

Doh, sorry

[deep mortar]

it's up guys

[magic shoal]

I see it now but its two times there

its 15gb

[fierce ermine]

oh nvm you have to look it up as "Marathon Server Slam"

[crystal osprey]

Tycho is blocking it from being available. smh my head

[young rapids]

if on steam look up serverslam and download it

[broken zinc]

17 gb on steam is not bad

[young rapids]

go to store search serverslam

it's 15gb

[broken zinc]

Just go to Marathons steam page and there will be a download there

[loud gale]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3065800/Marathon/

Steam page for the game

[fervent pivot]

On xbox and I have searched , but nothing is popping up

[tranquil basin]

Same

[loud gale]

I can get yall the link one moment

[tranquil basin]

Oh I looked up marathon server slam specifically and it popped up

[loud gale]

https://www.xbox.com/m/p/9PH5FDZDN1N1

Thats the link for the Xbox one so yk

Good luck

[fervent pivot]

Thanks

[loud gale]

No prob

[olive bough]

Yo that's clutch let's goo!

[winter frost]

anyone else not able to accept the terms and service for the game cause the cursor wont show up?

[loud gale]

https://www.xbox.com/m/p/9PH5FDZDN1N1

Thats the xbox link

Goodluck

[olive bough]

Link works for xbox

[peak vault]

anyone else stuck on 'signing in...' ?

[fervent pivot]

20 min before finished I'll let you know

[peak vault]

damn good luck

[loud gale]

So yk alot of people are

[warm eagle]

Is there a way to remote download on steam

[loud gale]

Im trying to and haven't found a way sadly 😭

[warm eagle]

Neither have i

Might not be available

[loud gale]

Ya ill keep looking for you

[warm eagle]

I’m not tryna have to download it when I’m home

[loud gale]

For me it says download on the steam page but I cant

[warm eagle]

My pc is on

[warm eagle]

There’s no button yeah

[hazy sapphire]

I find the story of marathon so fascinating

[loud gale]

Looks like we have to wait 😔

[warm eagle]

I’m not waiting

[lean hawk]

game keeps crashing after launch 💔

[loud gale]

Ya lots of issues with it

[hazy sapphire]

I wonder which faction has the least members

[lean hawk]

i am on the Xbox Ally atm

testing the performance on here while my Xbox SX installs the game 😭😭😭😭

can’t even get into a menu

[loud gale]

Ya people are having issues with the login and errors on pc so yk

[lean hawk]

i have heard there is no Linux support

that’s a major L

[loud gale]

Fr

[lean hawk]

like we gotta stop acting like Linux is niche

the steam deck putting Linux up there

it’s a good market

i have one

now i know I can’t use it for this 😭

[loud gale]

Ya its sad that you cant

[loud gale]

Idk why they dont let Linux

[lean hawk]

uh oh…

[loud gale]

Look at the community chat

Some guy cant see the floor

[lean hawk]

oh my fucking god…

yeah idk if this’ll be playable on my Xbox Ally 😭😭😭

or even look good

[loud gale]

I have a 4060 wish me luck

[lean hawk]

well you might not even need luck with that GPU

GPU

jeezus bro

[loud gale]

Its died twice

Had to reinstall windows both times

[dawn idol]

What’s it under on the ps store I’m only seeing to pre order ?

[loud gale]

Gonna finish school msg back when I play the game

[loud gale]

It is so yk

Just look up server slam in the name too

[lean hawk]

yep i deadass can’t play on the Xbox Ally

great

[lean hawk]

so apparently there is an issue with alt-tabbing, so i guess the game is literally unplayable on the Xbox Ally

fuck

[fervent pivot]

Ok I got in I'm on XSX: Update I have a black screen

[hallow stag]

Do any of you know if using a VPN is bannable?

Not to hop servers obviously

[lean hawk]

I found a way to get the game to not crash after launch on the Xbox Ally.

Switch from gaming to desktop mode.

nvm

[tough summit]

#1476331203547107583 message

[lean hawk]

it still crashed….

nothing is working man

fucking great

[warm eagle]

Weird that steam remote downloading doesn’t work

[warm eagle]

With how bad this is going for people lol, the final product is worrying

[lean hawk]

i deadass won’t be able to play this at night in my bed if they don’t fix this shit

and why tf is battleye required

IT’S TRASH

[tacit estuary]

EU lfg. hmu i played beta

[warm eagle]

Okay this being a surprise is your fault

They use battleye for everything

[lean hawk]

I know 💔💔💔

but I don’t play destiny

sadly I know

[warm eagle]

I’m just a bit salty remote download doesn’t work

[lucid spire]

Why no keyboard and mouse on PS5 and XBOX?

[balmy dawn]

is this the font they use ingame? https://pangrampangram.com/products/fraktion

i think so

specifically the mono one

[dense atlas]

theres lots of lore for awards which is neat

[hazy sapphire]

Any idea why CyAc is the only playable faction

[ashen stump]

how do you get on xbox?

[brazen geode]

progress their contracts to unlock more factions

they are the starting one