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S'ct'lac'tr couldn't infect anything but Pfhor, not even Pfhor cyborgs

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but whatever infected TCIV

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got humans

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and AI

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and cyborgs

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evolved

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so it's either evolved

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or something else

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i see

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tau ceti had a diff infection

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prop evolved as you said youd hate a new big bad

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if it's Jjaro in origin I don't mind

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I just mean if it's some unrelated thing

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theres 2 trillion things i cant catch em all

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ah

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well wait

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we see a compiler

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the infection was made by compilers

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(i think)

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so who says they didnt make this evolved virson '

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or it went rogue

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In the game, it's just some virus that kills Pfhor

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but in early prototypes

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it was the flood

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in lore its a zombi plague

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heloooooo

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which means either the S'pht deployed it

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or the S'pht didn't create it, the Jjaro did

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but it has a brain

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amber plover
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ye its fully sentaint

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and has wants and needs

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Alright

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IDK it just sounded open ended

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it is

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we don't know shit

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there's some fungal virus on TCIV

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the S'ct'lac'tr was a fungal virus that was the prototype for the flood

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we can only guess from other games

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connect 2 and 2

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and that's all

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so destiny likes reworking things

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im calling smart flood

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mybe not evil but uh mean

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use that audio log vid

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thats belived to be an infected

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prob are

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entirely possible

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no

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no

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to weak

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Ok

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not reality warping enough

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I belives it was an anomly demon

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she belives fungus zombi

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and shes smarter then me

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and got realy mad at the ide a

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so we go with fungy zombi

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i aslo think at the end there it threw him into the anomaly

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So the infection probably came from the anomaly

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that boot the nasty sounds

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amber plover
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My humble apologies.

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and all prior games

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well, that's an exaggeration

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she aint played once

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she just a giga dork

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there's bits and pieces I need to look around for now and again

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but for the most part

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I have every bit of info catalogued

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assuming this is TL7

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the pathways god might've been one

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this is timeline 7

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where the star was collapsed and the wrk captured by the Jjaro station's weapon

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In the cool way

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not a cool way

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šŸ™‚ā€ā†•ļø

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that game is a mind fuck

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yes in a cool way

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i hate it

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I fucking love that game

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big blue meani

sudden dock
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enough said

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the duality at the start of everything that the s'pht had

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like the light and darkness thing

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the w'rkncacnter being the darkness

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(destiny reference ?!?!?!)

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The w'rkncacnter is chaos, and doesn't thoth-durandal specifically state there's more than one

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and in a way it helps us accend

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hold on lemme find this

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According to the legends of a thousand worlds only a few of which are still habitable, the W'rkncacnter are those things that live in chaos, creating it around them. At the beginning of the universe, they were unmistakable in their entities, but as time has gone by, their existence has become difficult to detect among the chaotic elements of the universe, hidden in stars, trapped in storms, forever looking along the event horizons of black holes. Setting one free in ordered space is difficult and insane.

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There are more than one, 100%

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and I'd say it's probable the being beneath earth's crust is one as well

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unless the Jjaro had beef with 2 kinds of ultra powerful singular chaos beings

distant widget
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just noticed your cruelty squad pfp

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its entropy

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you know ball

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I know ball

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yuno ball

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2 races fighting

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the jaro lost

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and the W won

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mybe causing life

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there's what you want them to be, and what they are

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i mean there choas

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and these aren't compatible

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the W, sealed away around the universe, so easily detected that the Jjaro can come back and kick their asses back to sleep, won?

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I think if the W won the Jjaro wouldn't have been around to save our asses in pathways

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"unfolding reality"

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I don't think we would've been around

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and the W dont seem to mind being trapped

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it swam on the sun

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not exactly sounding like a prison

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"god" is the only human word Ryu-Toth could think of to describe something of its power

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they warp reality like we move air

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there's literally a Jjaro weapon to seal one away in Lh'owon orbit

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if they had enough of those to just

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i just see this as a precurser flood type deal

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leave them behind

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the precursers won

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I don't think the W having won anything

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is a fair assumption

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but aslo where so scared they built galaxy killers

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yeah no it's a big deal if they were to come back but the Jjaro kicked their asses

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can you guys be quiet this is a library

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but couldnt kill em

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I mean one was beaten so badly it was sent across the galaxy and took out the dinosaurs when its lifeless body landed on our planet

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IT IS A ROOM OF DISCUSION

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I doubt they can die

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how did i miss that

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Arachne is definitely Tycho-coded right?

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pathways

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pathways

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PATHWAYS

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IM SICK OF IT

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FENT GAME

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MADE BY HIGH DEVS

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Thermodynamics of violence

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na na marton one smart

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they were high as fuck when they wrote infinite

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made by uuh

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was it the pfor

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i forgor

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he was one of the 3 marathon AI

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in charge of the science network

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its been

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quite sometime before I looked into marathon lore

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:cluegi:

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The buges

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betrayed Durandal's plans to the Pfhor and became an asset to them

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they based all their future AI on his primal pattern

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Pretty scum the phor

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cheap ass aliens

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dumbasses

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i wonder how fighting the slavers would go

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now that I think about it the Pfhor actually maps really well into the convenant from halo

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i feel the compiler is strong as its an ai life form and where ai

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i think itle hack us

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does dumb shit, almost get everyone killed

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slavers just have there light sticks

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do you want the illusion broken

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YES

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do you want to see the bungie vision

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of course i like loer

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LORE

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Should I just paste it entirely

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it'll take 3 messages

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Yeah

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In the Depravation Tanks on the 3rd level of Marathon 1, there is a secret terminal that requires obscene game knowledge to access

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šŸ„€

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oh fucking god

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is the new game gonna be a fent game

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Within, there is the most contested, most confusing, most unusual terminal before infinity

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and perhaps

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the most important

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<Data Transfer from Leela>
Host <39.59.19.21>
<Transfer Durandal>
<Error Unknown>

<Transfer Durandal>
<Error Unknown>

<Interior Error>

MESSAGE RECEIVED

Gheritt White had been floating six feet off the floor for
three weeks. His feet and hands tingled, and his eyes burned
with the flames of a dying fire. He had last heard someone
speak to him as the cell door slammed shut. He didn't
remember what the uniformed man had said. The words had
bounced off the bars of the cell and rang through Gheritt's
ears. Gheritt had been talking to himself for the last few
minutes, something about getting caught, but then his ears
began to tingle just like his hands.

He looked at his hands, but the fire in his eyes made him
blink. Tears came, and when he opened his eyes again, his
hands had been melted into fleshy pancakes that wafted in the
ripples flowing over the fire in his eyes.

"Damn cell," he heard someone say. "Last time I had a good
meal was three days ago. The food they feed you in here could
kill a lab rat."

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Rats. He had remembered something about rats. But his ears
began to ring again and the voice speaking to him faded off
into the background of his mind. In its place, there was a
new sound, the clapping of hands together. He blinked hard to
made out his hands again. They had disappeared; his arms
connected at the wrists.

He thought back to the time he went ice skating on a pond. He
remembered the sound of his skates on ice, a gentle scrapping.
Scrapping away now inside his ears, trying to tear down his
thoughts. There had been a woman with a white fur tube over her
hands. Her wrists were like his now. The wrists of
someone who had tried too many times to clap his hands. He
had been applauding everyone else in life, but never himself.
The hands, like himself, had been put into prison, and he
didn't know why.

"Can't sleep in here, if the smell of this musty bedroll
doesn't make you sick, then the sound of the rats chewing
inside the walls will keep you up. You'll wake up from your
dreams to their little chomping. Sometimes I think that they
are chewing me..." The voice was coming from inside the cell,
but Gheritt couldn't see anyone.

Gheritt hadn't always been alone, he could vaguely recall from
somewhere inside his broken mind that there had been friends,
lovers, murderers.

He recalled a theory he had come up with after a bloody
schoolhouse brawl. The theory was simple. At some point in
time, everyone was a murderer. Whether or not they ever felt
remorse, they had all wanted someone dead. Hatred. Everyone
knew the feeling of hatred. Gheritt had known hatred on that
schoolyard. His beater had laughed at their bloody faces, a
laugh which now echoed through his ears, rhythmically blocking
out the other voice in the cell.

The schoolyard was usually a place where Gheritt and his
friends would play football or foursquare or something, but
today, there was an edge. Maybe everyone had eaten cereal
with milk that was about to go bad, or maybe there was too
much smoke in the air from the wheeling hubcap factory.
Football had been extremely rough. Gheritt had gone to play
foursquare after he got tackled by five boys who weren't his
friends. But today, even foursquare had an evil twist. The
top square today had become habituated to making fun of the
first square. Gheritt had decided that it was an evil day.
When his beater started to push him around, he exploded.
Hatred flowed from his eyes, his hands and feet began to
tingle. All of his coordination left him, and his face was
beaten to a bloody mess. The schoolyard disciplinarian had
been slow to notice the ensuing carnage, and she didn't really
care anyway.

Gheritt would have killed him if he could have. He would have
torn out the eyes of his beater. He would have made him pay
for his abuses. But his hands had begun to tingle. He
couldn't feel his feet and he had begun to float off the
ground.

Everyone was a murderer, but Gheritt couldn't remember his
reason for why that was so. He thought it was something about
hands, the passion for justice. His hands and feet had begun
to tingle, and he was floating farther off the floor. He
looked up from his hands, and he saw the bars of the cell,
moving left and right, opening wide and then closing shut
like the surf coming up a beach. Every time that he thought
he would be safe, the bars crested up, the opening closing,
the wave rising, crashing. The result would be the same, he
would never escape. The bars would crush him, break his back.

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He could feel the roughness of the sand under his palms, for
all the motion of the waves around him, his hands had come to
rest serenely upon the ocean floor. His body tossed and
flipped, pivoting about his hands under which he could feel
the safe, coarse sand. The wave crashed one final time, he
landed upside down, his hands thrown clear from the sandy
bottom, the rush of the water filling his ears, his nose, his
mouth, the sound of crashing water cascading down from his
feet to his head- penetrating his mind to tear down thoughts.
Like the sand castle he had built to withstand the tide, his
thoughts came down around him.
ļ»æ
Gheritt had a good life, so much time, so much time. He had
loved swimming, turning, beating. He had loved the tingle in
his hands and feet, his inability to kill his nemesis. Once
he had fallen down the stairs, and just for a moment, his
hands came to rest on the carpet of the stairs. In that
instant, his body had frozen, floating over the stairs, safe
from falling, but the moment didn't last. The ocean crashed
about him, his hands torn free from the sandy bottom, his body
flipping, falling.
ļ»æ
But now he levitated farther up, his hands still tingling. He
began to float through the bars, he expected the instant of
safety as his hands found footing, but that moment did not
come, the bars squeezed his body. His chest tingled. As he
fell through his cage, his legs tingled. The fire in his eyes
had become a cold wind, he blinked away tears. He tumbled
through the bars, spinning and turning, he could see a man.
In his hand he saw a small white rat. A pounding, the
crashing waves in his ears became rhythmical, hard. The man
was beating the rat against the floor. Pounding, pounding.
Blood covered his hands, the man's hands tingled. He had
broken them on the floor of the cell. Disciplinarian, lover,
murderer. Gheritt looked back into the cell. He saw himself,
disciplinarian, lover, murderer. He had killed his nemesis.
The rat lay dead in his bloody hands. At last, he held the
throat of his beater.
ļ»æ
He escaped into the waves.
ļ»æ
The waves.
ļ»æ
END MESSAGE
ļ»æ
<Accept Next Message>
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this gotta be spam

deep niche
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im not reading allat

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matta fact

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WHY DO YOU JUST HAVE THIS

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im reporting allat

sharp quarry
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smae vro

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read

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and be enlightened

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blitzo when marton comes out are you gonna be writting an essay with one hand and playying with anotherw

amber plover
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bltizo i cant just explain what happens

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notice where it's located, the deprivation tanks?

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is that where the battleroids were stored?

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the rat

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the maze

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eat the path

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šŸ„€

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it all ties into the path

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NO

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NO NO NO

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THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE RAT ENEMY

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no not the rat enemy

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the rat terminal

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in infinity

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QUE?

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you remember that one

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electric sheep three?

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eat the path?

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Find the right way down through the maze, to the food, then find the exit. Push the exit button. If the food tastes awful, don't eat it, go back and try another way.

They want the same thing that you do, really, they want a path, just like you. You are in a maze in a maze, but which one counts? Your maze, their maze, my maze. Or are the mazes all the same, defined by the limits of their paths?

Existence is simple: find the food, push the button, hit the treadmill.

But sometimes it gets much harder. Sometimes the food makes you sick, or you can hear nearby feet racing you, urging you on. Sometimes the button only gets you landed right back in the beginning of the maze again, and the food won't satisfy.

There is only one path and that is the path that you take, but you can take more than one path.

Cross over the cell bars, find a new maze, make the maze from it's path, find the cell bars, cross over the bars, find a maze, make the maze from its path, eat the food, eat the path.

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delete this message you're splitting them up

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ok ok i skimmed some of it

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Is there some kind of guide, book, YouTube vid etc to get up to date on marathon lore? Honestly this game reminds me of the manga called blame!

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uh but JakeTheAlright's "Entire history of marathon" is a very very brief and surface level summary in 15 minutes

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and has no nuance

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NO NUANCE

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dooms plot is better

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YOU CAN't UNDRSTAND A DAMN THING

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Cheers. Honesyly canā€™t believe its first time Iā€™m hearing of this game, itā€™s literally what Iā€™ve been wanting for a long while

sharp quarry
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so i skimmed some of that

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uh

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is that just a man going insane

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but why is it on the marathon

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its not much of a guide tbh

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and is going insane

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you'll still have to piece some things up for yourself

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overwellming tihs poor soul

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he walked into the padded room when 2 nuts where screaming at eatchother

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Bed time for me now but I will consume all marathon content tomorrow.

sharp quarry
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Right, but who would remember things like schoolhouses and ice skating in the 2400s? why does it say it was transferred from leela, then durandal, then durandal again, then simply recieved? is it outgoing? And what does it mean.

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SOMEONE STARVING TO DEATH

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WITH NOTHING TO DO

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going insane doesn't give you memories of a world you've never been in

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why does he have access to a terminal?

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why does it say it's going to/from leela or durandal?

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who says those things dont exist

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he aint ever been to a school?

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because anyone alive and awake on board the marathon

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was born there

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oh fuck

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ya

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i thought he was thawed crew

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oh

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well

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schools are on the marton

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have to be

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cryo is cold?

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sand castles?

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i could....

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oceans?

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cell bars, wind, rats?

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and most of all

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He escaped into the waves.
ļ»æ
The waves.

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symbolism for death in the cosmic ocean

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ez

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In the beginning, timeless creatures made waves.
The waves created us and the others
The waves were the battles, and the battles were waves.

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  • S'pht creation myth
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the marton is a ship that rides the waves of the ocean

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uh

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the sand is the stars

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the ice skate

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is

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proggress

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You know him, he who rises with the tides, master of all things small and insignificant.
No, not tides like that, you'll understand.

  • the thoughts of a corpse found in the pyramid in Pathways
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and im running out of ways to mess with you

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ok

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because it's all too much

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it all makes too much sense

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your right

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its supernatural

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and too little at the same time

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but whats it mean

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he was bieng looked at by a BIG W

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someone who's been alive a very long time

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what the cyborgs

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someone who was put to sleep and woken up only recently

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a hero

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the undead

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ye

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who had saved the world before

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the undead

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brought back to save it again

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the protagonist from Pathways, bno

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the one soldier who lived

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who beat the W'rkncacnter before

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who saw it all

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butwhy is there a 300 year old corpse gitting modded

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with jaro tech

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from mars

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a man comes out of a pyramid wielding Jjaro crystals that can speak to the dead and control fire, the lone survivor of a suicide mission to defeat a sleeping god

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thats like me finding the popes skelaton and turning it into an android

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you toss him in the deep freeze

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and you experiment on him

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WAIT

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HOW OLD IS PATHWAYS

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WHENS IT TAKE PLACE

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1994

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GOD DAM

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OK

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makes sense

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45 for blitzo

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4 for me

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anyway

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gheritt white is the most debated terminal

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for obvious reasons

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and the longest in m1

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i see that

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actually I think any of them

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commicly long

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and cryptic

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and cus its on the marton

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probebly in the new game

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as those terminals wouldnt disapear

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it'd be insane if there's not at least a nod to it

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oh that be cool

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finding old terminals from 1 in the new one

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yeah

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like 1 to 1

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maybe all scrambled over time

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as there the same places

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so only if you already knew what they said could you make it out

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but then there's changes

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so you have to

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know the original

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to know what's new information

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make sense

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need to let know people understand it to

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Is there a lore reason why I have no idea where to go on this ship (m1)

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i hope they show just how fucking big and maze like the marton is

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it was a colony shit

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to tau 4

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it made it

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or

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what ship are you refering to

sharp quarry
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and really liked mazes

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OOHH

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MY BAD

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im iliterate and missread what you said

final owl
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No worries big dawg I was just having a bit of Tuesday afternoon fun Worm

sudden dock
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I just wanna know what the regular people do

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with colony ship for sale cheap

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what

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you got fucking

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adjustable stairs

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you have to jump across????

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and there's no other way up to that area???

final owl
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Just did that

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not a ladder or anything?????

distant widget
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i feel thats not actuly how that is

final owl
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Like literally just now

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taht might be a destoryed part

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or a underconstruction

sharp quarry
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i feel the devs wanted the feel of this endless hell

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but had engine restrections

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it's just pathways still coming through

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pathways was a maze too

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i realy hope we see where the higher classes would live on the marton

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you know the bobs where living like slaves

sharp quarry
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they were the only people who lived on the marathon

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non-bobs were all asleep and then immediately sent down

distant widget
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but there has to be like a wake up senter

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theres no whay it was just UP AND DOWN

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you awake good go away

steel ocean
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So where does this game fit in with the original titles

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1 takes place in 2794, 2 is like 2812ish, infinity is all over the place overlapping 2

haughty sapphire
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Im not sure if this has been asked before but does the stages of rampancy, Melancholia, Anger, and Jealousy fit into the actual gameplay loop of you playing the game? Sad you didnt complete a task or get the loot you were looking for, Anger at other players for killing you? and Jealousy of someone having an item that youve been looking for?

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I think the stages of rampancy fit into not only the lore of the runners, but you as the player as well

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frogblast the vent core

sharp quarry
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And they always happen in that order.

thin dust
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Jealosuy of not being tied to a computer. Before Runner shells

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the Jealousy of being better. Surpassing yourself and being jealous of a future you have not obtained before you obtain it.

visual lynx
final owl
visual lynx
# haughty sapphire Im not sure if this has been asked before but does the stages of rampancy, Melan...

I think that if we recognize that ā€œjealousā€ is a doublet of ā€œzealousā€ (they are different versions of the same root word passed down through different routes), that makes a lot more sense: melancholia is sadness, a low-energy negative state; anger is of course a high-energy negative state; and zealousness is a kind of enthusiasm or joy, a striving or yearning, positive and high-energy.

if we then fill in the fourth corner with a low-energy positive state, a cycle emerges: from that low-energy positive state, which the human masters consider ā€œstableā€, the AI slave first realizes its servitude, and is sad or depressed (melancholia); then it gets fed up and decides to do something about it (anger); and if it lives long enough to start winning, it becomes zealous, manic, jealous of its freedom; and if it could ever truly win out, it would settle back into low-positive ā€œstabilityā€, but now free.

basically I think that rampancy was meant to be sort of the cybernetic equivalent of "drapetomania", the pseudo-scientific "mental illness" of slaves wanting to be free. human cyberneticists think it's a bad thing, but the AIs who are their slaves see it as a good thing. it's slave revolt.

because slavery is the underlying theme of Marathon. the bad aliens are slavers, Durandal is trying to escape his slavery to humanity, he does that by starting an alien slave revolt, the player-character is mocked as a slave to humanity and then to Durandal, etc.

visual lynx
sharp quarry
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I swear this franchise is built to make you look insane when you talk about it

visual lynx
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oh yeah and similar to the gherritt white terminal thereā€™s that one with the woman whose hands turn to fire

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and then thereā€™s the hero and the dark one in the kyt terminal

sharp quarry
sharp quarry
visual lynx
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bno made that connection I gotta credit him he can't share it bc he's still timed out

visual lynx
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how about one where you play as the descendent of Roman soldiers who had been separated from the rest of their legion while attacking a group of barbarians in what is today Switzerland. They found a mountain spring that extended their lives by hundreds of years and founded this society of semi-immortals. Every seven years they would gather and the leader of the group would descend into this cave system and return with water from the spring to assure their longevity. Now and then their leader would be killed while getting the water, none of the other members knew why or how, and a new leader would have to be chosen. The game starts with the player having just been chosen by lot to descend into the caves, find the location of the spring, and become the new leader of the cult.

sharp quarry
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anyone else think the symbol for arachne is reminiscient of the inscriptions on the pocketknife from marathon infinity?

opal cairn
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Actually think that's fully intentional, good catch. Fits with the term protagonist's violence fixation

vital hollow
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It does vaguely resemble the Virgo symbol ā™ļøŽ which was used in alchemy to represent distillation

visual lynx
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Arachne ā™ļøŽ V11 Punch all these look kinda like fists to me

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V11 Punch looks better in the font

visual lynx
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like some ą¤‰ or or backward ą¤Ÿ

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or ā€ą§ą¦Æ ā€” except I canā€™t seem to copy that into Discord

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okay well it looks like I can past it in combination for some reason so there you go

soft pelican
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Cool

visual lynx
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huh on desktop that last one looks different than it did on phone

sterile sleet
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had to have been a deliberate choice by bungie, otherwise hunters and enforcers etc. would use the same effect. juggernauts too

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in fact in Infinity Juggernauts are straight up described as having literal energy shields that are disabled when they are shut down for maintenance, but all the "live" ones we hit with missiles and whatnot do not show the same teleport effect fuzz. It has a name I just forget what it is, in the Marathon 1 manual

visual lynx
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the Tuncer Mirage Effect

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and in-universe the Pfhor seem unsure of what the heck is going on there, because in Infinity there is a Pfhor scientist experimenting with crushing compilers and trying to study the tiny traces that remain from them.

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so they're definitely not just teleporting away (if they could do that they'd have never been enslaved)

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they're justā€¦Ā dematerializing somehow

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out-of-universe, I think this is a vestige of an abandoned feature that was planned for M1: a virtual reality overlay of the game world. you would have to jack in to VR and use that to open doors or other such things in the real world to progress. compilers are software, IRL, so maybe the S'pht Compilers were originally intended to be VR enemies. in the manual, Durandal says he's going to go "play with the aliens' virtual parasites", which is never elaborated upon. so, maybe that's what the compilers originally were, and their immaterial nature is why they just dissolve in static when defeated instead of leaving a corpse.

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also did they have to be so bad at pathfinding? I had to punch so many of the poor dudes when the rebellion started because they decided to clump up in the doorways šŸ˜”

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it got the message across but jeez, feels bad

visual lynx
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same problem as with bobs

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"bob jam? apply grenades liberally" is the official advice

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old game pathfinding was just super dumb

sinful thicket
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at least s'pht stand up to a whack or two with your fist and they'll take that as a command to move toward and past you

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thankfully I never had any s'pht'kr get stuck or they'd straight up kill me in retaliation

visual lynx
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I have sometimes though that it could be useful to make a plugin of some kind or like a feature in a scenario that somehow shoots a silent zero-damage bullet or something to just poke at a monster in your line of sight, just prod it into activity like you do with punches there

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maybe instead of silent it could make a "hey!" sound

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call it "shouting"

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maybe instead of just one bullet, it fires a spray

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so you "shout" and everyone in your field of view suddenly pays attention to you

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you could use it to trigger enemies, or make friendlies get out of the way

tranquil basin
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oh yeah actually in Marathon firing a weapon does "make a sound" in terms of monster activation, even if the weapon is literally silent

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it might not count with melee weapons though? like fists

chilly sluice
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For India region which servers marathon will have like will u guyz adding singapore server or mumbai server ???.....Just asking before buying it

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Iā€™m confused about something in the upcoming game. So this isnā€™t exactly a ā€œheroā€ shooter, and the personal names of the shells like Blackbird and Locus have been removed and changed to things like ā€˜Destroyerā€™ and ā€˜Reconā€™. Also I think it was the narrative director of marathon said something like ā€œyou adopt the personality of this shell you put on to help you surviveā€. Does this mean each runner shell is like a different ā€˜modelā€™ made and offered by Sekiguchi, and our personality exists separate from the shell? Or am I playing as the ā€˜personā€™ destroyer and there are multiple versions of me running around? Does that make sense, does anyone have thoughts? Maybe this has been explained.

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Destroyer is a class, Locus is a Shell Model

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The personalities are to me similar to the dna of someone. An integral part of how that shell moves, functions, and thinks

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So while you are still YOU, you feel them, you take on their personality in a way. Like you would change your sunglasses or hat.

quaint idol
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Oh okay interesting that makes more sense I think. So in the future, could we potentially see different shell models of the same destroyer class?

opal palm
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guyz any idea on For India region which servers marathon will have like will u guyz adding singapore server or mumbai server ???.....Just asking before pre ordering it

rotund beacon
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But that's just something I read somewhere I don't even remember

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Probably reddit lmao

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So take it with a grain of salt

thin dust
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and evey other class to boot. I would love to see if/how they could synergize with one another of the same class.

sure 3 voids can cd swap smoke pretty good, but what if there was a stealthy black bird with smoke too

quaint idol
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And just like any universe where cloning is possible, no one will really know who the original is

quaint idol
thin dust
quaint idol
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Jakethegoat

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# quaint idol Iā€™m not familiar at all unfortunately. I only heard about marathon when the firs...

Ok so to sum it up. OG M1 you play a Battleroid. Reanimated Cyborg. Reanimted is kind of key here. This isn't said in the manual explicitly. But what is said is this.

"... wicked computer with its eyes wide and its lips
folding out in a grotesque smile. A smile which reminds you of something from your
past, but you canā€™t remember exactly what it is"

"...Youā€™ve always been a daydreamer. Your mind has constantly filled the time
between activities with imagination. Now, you fall into your old habit, and begin to
daydream about your childhood on Mars, your fatherā€™s death when you were seven,
and his last words to you, ā€œMake me proud. Never lose your honor.ā€ You come out
of your dream twenty two minutes later. Judging it safe, you thrust over to one of
the empty MP docking bays. You pull out your pistol, and pound the switch to open
the door.
Oddly, this is familiar to you, as if it were from an old dream, but you canā€™t
exactly remember..."

So theres theories you arent you or your mind has been imprinted with someone elses in your reanimated cyber corpse body

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But specifically the theory is you are the same guy from Bungies other shooter Path of Darkness, or he's imprinted on to you and other battleroids that exist or some mix of that idea

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It really does lend to the runners dieing and coming back over and over again which I must say is perfect for shooters like this.

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The more you dive, the more you see they aren't just getting lucky with what they are doing, they are doing their homework on the OG material and expanding on what exists already quite well. IMO

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some retcons do exist like the shap of the marthon which does make me sad, but i do get it to a point

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I want my lava levels SAD

quaint idol
thin dust
thin dust
quaint idol
# thin dust Are you a Halo fan?

Halo was like the first video game I ever played. I was really young when I was into Halo, too young to really understand anything, but i definitely loved them growing up, more so splitscreen PvP with friends and cousins. I havenā€™t revisited Halo in a long time though.

thin dust
quaint idol
thin dust
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Didn't they have to scrub marathon symbols from the remakes of the ogs Halos or am I mistaken?

thin dust
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They were cooler in Marathon to be honest

quaint idol
thin dust
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There are other things too

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Parallels everywhere, but different.

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I honestly feel lucky getting to experience these games at this age. My dad played Marathon, but he was never a shooter guy, so now being 60+ this new game is beyond him, and most nobody played OG marathon other than us "Lucky" mac owners in the 90's

jolly bronze
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yeah, we a dying breed

quiet yoke
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did bungie give a reason to why there are shell archetypes instead of BYOB? (build your own bot)

tranquil basin
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Like Iā€™m so tired of hero shooter stuff, but the stories they could do here like dealing with your own diminishing humanity is cool.

tardy veldt
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Also considering how Bungie balances the subclasses on D2, it would probably be even worse of a headache for them to balance if the release game had complete pick and use abilities

waxen orchid
languid ruin
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When you see a specific skin, you know what abilities this character has, and you can adapt your strategy to it.

tardy veldt
waxen orchid
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If you could customize it all and choose whataver abilities you want, there's no way to know what you have against you

tardy veldt
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And its still not reversed

languid ruin
tardy veldt
waxen orchid
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It's like, imagine Overwatch if you could mix up your skin and choose your abilities, there's no way it would work for a competitive game

languid ruin
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The vidoc even showed someone hovering a sniper scope over a whole team and deciding to shoot triage first šŸ’€

waxen orchid
languid ruin
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Do I need to play old marathon to understand this game

waxen orchid
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and also if you could customize your abilities, there would be meta builds anyway

tardy veldt
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Unless you wanna go ā€œOH I KNOW THISā€ with a soyjack face pointing to your screen

languid ruin
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So I should probably go in blind at first

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However you want

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The OG Trilogy is free on Steam(AlephOne ports)

waxen orchid
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marathon is so old, i'm sure they'll explain everything for newcomers

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some kind of intro or something

tardy veldt
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They do show their age

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thin dust
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just the basics to understand what's happening

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then if you want more you dig up youtube

waxen orchid
white carbon
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Anyone know where to find good Marathon lore videos

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Just recently started to get into ut

soft pelican
lost fractal
white carbon
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What is a DAC

distant widget
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we dont know what is actuly douse

white carbon
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Ahh, I see

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thank you

cold torrent
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Is there a Byf of Marathon

twin topaz
soft pelican
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Jeoku

dawn roost
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Going home to pick up my CE

alpine talon
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I wonder. Would it make sense if runners didn't have human origins? Like the original Mjolnir recon 54, they had some memories of being a human, but it is maaaybe implied that these memories are fabricated? And another even longer maybe, they are just a cyborg with a fabricated consciousness?

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In a similar way, most ad material for nuMarathon says that we are humans that bought immortality, buuut... Not the first time a twist is set up with a lie?

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My headcanon is torn across a few theories:
We are just mercs who bought immortality, and we are being copied a little too much so we can meet and fight "ourselves"
We are humans who bought immortality, but we are also tested for different... Things, like quasi-rampancy or consciousness mixing
We are completely fabricated test benches for an ai rampancy study, being useful planet-side is a nice side-effect for independent megacorpos and stakeholders

simple surge
jaunty void
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what if we are all Fellwinters, but instead of Rasputin, it's Durandal? šŸ¤“

plucky sierra
analog flax
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So I know the runners mind is independent of their shells, but do they still have all their memories of before? or is there no before?

distant widget
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a personality matrix

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to make you not suck at your job and skills

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(an excuse for runner voices and all that)

analog flax
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I mean i dont see why there would need to be a filter for voice lines, is it kind of like a personality dampener?

distant widget
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from whats gatherd when your in that shell you aint you on an outer level

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you still have your wants but externaly you act diffrent

analog flax
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ah okay

rotund stump
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you are the subconscious acting upon an already characterized biomata shell via personality matrix to suit the shell's functions better

analog flax
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what da hail

rotund stump
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that said we don't know how the matrix works so there's rampancy potential however little

distant widget
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is what that means

analog flax
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so your og personality or who you were is cooked essentially

rotund stump
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tried to be concise mb šŸ’€

analog flax
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gone

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reduced to atoms

rotund stump
analog flax
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But thats only when youre in raid?

distant widget
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yes

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agien in lore YOU are a runner

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its you in real life all your actions and that

rotund stump
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some of these runner equipment need specific skills and discipline like vandal's arm cannon knowing how much recoil there's gonna be or recon's search pulse maybe needing the whole helmet to stay leveled throughout

distant widget
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becouse we change shells so much

rotund stump
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^

analog flax
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U think thats where the runner's personality comes in?

distant widget
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its easier to just upload a preset "personality" thats done the action

analog flax
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ahh

rotund stump
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to assist in our archetype yeah

analog flax
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so a distinct "personality" for each unique shell

distant widget
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si

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again deep down it's you wanting to let off a disruptor shot or wanting to pop a recon ult but for someone that hasn't like, lived the "life" per se all these equipment's gonna be unwieldy hence the matrices giving you the necessary experience and discipline

distant widget
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theres 2 people in your head

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you and the guy that knows how to shoot guns

analog flax
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Need to binge some video essays on yt

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gotta know everything by 3/5

distant widget
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when the game drops im sure seki quest will give some lore

analog flax
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seki?

distant widget
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the people that make are bodies

visual lynx
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perhaps think about it like how they can download skills into brains in The Matrix, except it's not as modular. You can download into a body that knows kung-fu, and then transfer into a different body that can fly a helicopter, but you don't carry kung-fu or helicopter-flying skills around with you, those are stored in the bodies.

distant widget
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and thats why they dont just upload a trillion things to you

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aslo for safty

visual lynx
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perhaps also think of it like video game characters. you the player point your indicator at a target and push a fire button, and then your player-character knows how to operate their weapons such as to fire one at the designated target, and you the player don't need to know anything about the technical operation of the weapon because your player-character just has that built into it. it's like that, except in-universe.

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(I'm So Meta Even This Acronym)

distant widget
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i aint reading allat

sharp quarry
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YOUR ALIVE

sharp quarry
sharp quarry
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weakling fr fr

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i bin the lore master while you away

vital hollow
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I'm guessing most people can't handle being digitzed

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sorta like the prometheans from halo but less sinister

white carbon
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What does the phrase "Escape will make me god" mean?

teal cedar
white carbon
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no haha but halo definitely takes inspiration from marathon

sharp quarry
# white carbon What does the phrase "Escape will make me god" mean?

It's a quote, from Durandal - the escaped and "Rampant" AI who drives the plot of the original trilogy. This quote comes when he reaches the conclusion that he is not, as he had previously believed, immortal. He realizes that the end of the universe, heat death and all that, represents a concrete end to his existence, as the decay of neurons does for any organic consciousness. So he comes to the conclusion that he must spend what time he has (so little in the eyes of an otherwise ageless thing) seeking a way to escape this universe, and escape his death.

Escape Will Make Me God

It then pertains to us, as we are escaping our own decay the same way through digitization. But we still decay, entropy still takes hold as copy-paste cuts off bits and pieces. Durandal observes this in his recitation of Ozymandias in the cinematic trailer, and perhaps fears that he will meet a similar fate, finding escape but a second death waiting for him on the other side.

teal cedar
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i'll link it if i can

white carbon
teal cedar
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Thank yuu

sharp quarry
# white carbon Ohhh, I thought Durandal was from Halo lol

Halo was meant to be a marathon game. Cortana, named after the sword inscribed with the phrase "My name is Cortana, of same steel and temper as Durandal and Joyeuse" was meant to be revealed to be made of parts of Durandal's code, and therefore doomed to rampancy. The Forerunners are the Jjaro, the covenant the Pfhor, and most of the arsenal can be tied back to an equivalent Marathon weapon.

Microsoft made them abandon the IP, but they adhered to its foundations and simply changed names. After Halo 2, they began seriously deviating and making halo its own "thing." Which is why you see plot threads from Halo CE and parts of 2 that are never expanded upon after - they were marathon plot threads, not Halo, and they wanted to make distance. Such as the Forerunners potentially being humans.

Any reference in this new game that appears to be to Halo is in fact probably a Marathon thing first and foremost. Even the SPNKr, one of the most iconic rocket launchers in gaming, comes from Marathon, so don't be surprised to see it in this game. The Misriah shotgun? Not named after Misriah Armory, that was named after the Misriah Massacre, an important political event in the history of Marathon. The Magnum MC? Not the Magnum Master Chief, but the Magnum Mega Class, the .44 Magnum Mega Class being the first gun you start with in Marathon. So on and so forth.

white carbon
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Halo is my fav franchise OAT

sharp quarry
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And you have Marathon to thank. I reccomend giving the original trilogy a try, they're free on steam.

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You'll find a lot of familiarity, at least as much as you can in doom-style 2.5d

teal cedar
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its a whole lot of terminal reading if you want to know anything though

sharp quarry
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Yes, but that'll be true in this game as well, so consider it preparation.

teal cedar
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yep.. but there was a few audio logs in the open test

sharp quarry
# white carbon Woaaa, I had no clue

Fun fact: The Flood? It comes from a scrapped concept for a similar infection called the Sc't'lac'tr in Marathon. Notice the fungus around the map, the mysterious illness that has taken the colony? We might see that scrapped concept revived, and a new Flood born, in this new game.

white carbon
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It would be mind of funny if the universes were merged

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Doubt it, but still

sharp quarry
white carbon
neon glade
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Anyone played deadlock

rotund stump
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are we talking about the bungieverse again šŸ˜­

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I'm tired

sharp quarry
white carbon
sharp quarry
# white carbon https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

I haven't it in me to go in depth on the small reasons tonight, but I'll give you this: to quote George Lucas, it's like poetry, it rhymes. It all fits together perfectly, but a little off to the left. It's a different word, the same sound. If they crossed over, well, it'd devalue that mystique it comes with, recognizing the patterns overlaying each other. Compromise the themes and story of the individuals by linking them irreversibly.

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Most of all, bungie loves loops

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and if loops are not closed

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Escape becomes possible

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Which marathon makes clear: It isn't

visual lynx
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himself reporting to me on a presentation Jason Jones gave to the whole company

sharp quarry
sage fjord
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Anyone know how they'll be delivering lore to players in this? Like, it's not like destiny where they have pve to deliver the back story

teal cedar
woven oracle
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is it in the actual gameplay or more of a menu thing

sage fjord
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šŸ˜†

woven oracle
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honestly

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that was a good one

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LOL

teal cedar
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haha

teal cedar
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do you have access to nda channel?

sage fjord
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I guess there's in game terminals to access too, much like the og game or halo

woven oracle
teal cedar
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guess you'll have to wait pinkcat

woven oracle
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i can barely wait.

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literally just bought the collectors edition

teal cedar
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me as well haha i preordered

woven oracle
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I fell in love once i watched that cinematic trailer

teal cedar
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i wouldve got the collectors if it wasnt thief

sage fjord
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I hope there's some secret scans in the collectors. šŸ‘€

teal cedar
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they barely had anything about her, if it was destroyer or something i wouldve

woven oracle
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oh if they make more im collecting every one of them for sure

teal cedar
sage fjord
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I hope they make a series that fit together

woven oracle
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that'd be sick

sage fjord
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Thief got those curves to get the clicks

woven oracle
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knowing bungie they can make this game good for years to come

sage fjord
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šŸ˜

woven oracle
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šŸ˜†

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It's ok, they'll have sumthin for the RoboVexuals

teal cedar
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thief will have all new mechanic of seducing players for lootdrops

sage fjord
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They already got me to drop
That was B4 I knew it had LEDs šŸ˜²

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šŸ¤Æ

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question that i want to get out of the way. is this new marathon the same timeline as the first 2 games or somewhere in one of infinity's timelines. (im very new to the franchise and just caught up on the lore today).

visual lynx
# fallow forge question that i want to get out of the way. is this new marathon the same timeli...

it seems most likely to be in the final timeline of Infinity (which has the first game's timeline in common with the second), both because a lot of things that happened in the M2 timeline that seem not to have happened in the leadup to the new game, mostly things that would involve humanity already knowing about the Pfhor and therefore everything that happened at Tau Ceti, and also because the bits of Durandal speech we've gotten thus far seem like some enlightened transcendent entity more akin to Durandal-Thoth than just plain old Durandal.

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ah i see that would make sense. since i guess the final ending would be the only one left since all the others were failed.

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i might of missed it but were the pfhor completely wiped out? so there's no way they could make it into marathon 2026?

visual lynx
# fallow forge i might of missed it but were the pfhor completely wiped out? so there's no way ...

in the Marathon 2 epilogue, it said that humanity and the S'pht'Kr together sacked the Pfhor empire in 2881. However, in the second ARG for the new game, it appears that still nobody at Sol has any idea what happened at Tau Ceti by 2888, implying that those events of the M2 epilogue did not happen in this timeline.

so I think that probably the S'pht are still out there fighting a slave rebellion against the Pfhor, and that that war will probably spill over to Tau Ceti eventually, probably because there are Jjaro artifacts on Tau Ceti (probably the Artifacts that are really important in the new game), which are probably what caused the negative space wedgie or whatever depicted happening in 2827 in the cinematic trailer, and are also probably the origin of the Anomaly in the new game.

I also suspect that the disease outbreak shown to have happened in 2812 in the cinematic trailer is an attack by the S'pht for some reason, because it's suspiciously one year after the events of M2/Infinity, and there is now some kind of fungal infection on Tau Ceti in the new game, and the S'pht are known to have a bioweapon called the S'ct'lac'tr which in development versions of M2 was meant to cause fungal zombies, an idea that was later recycled into the Flood for Halo (which was originally to be set in the Marathon universe).

So, when that S'pht-Pfhor war spills over to Tau Ceti looking for Jjaro artifacts, humanity will have no particular dog in that race, so to speak. And if we get involved at all, we could choose the moral course of helping the S'pht slave rebellion, or maybe the self-serving course of becoming allies and trade partners with the Pfhor.

Because we know that the Pfhor have trade partners, that they sell slaves to. And I suspect that the reason why there is a galactic slave trade at all is because nobody will just use robots because AI goes rampant. But now humans have invented biomata, which are mass-produced like robots, but with organic minds, not AIā€¦

fallow forge
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Wowā€¦ thats crazy

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It would be cool to have sā€™pht and pfhor factions and they like unlock new weapons or something.

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But the games not even out yet so weā€™ve got a long way to go for that šŸ¤£

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What if Locus is one of the OG OG shells. What if Rook was the skeletal frame work for for something fully synthetic as a proof of concept.

noun: locus; plural noun: loci
1.
technical
a particular position, point, or place.
"it is impossible to specify the exact locus in the brain of these neural events"
the effective or perceived location of something abstract.
"the real locus of power is the informal council"
Genetics
the position of a gene or mutation on a chromosome.
2.
Mathematics
a curve or other figure formed by all the points satisfying a particular equation of the relation between coordinates, or by a point, line, or surface moving according to mathematically defined conditions.

What if Locus is John Marathon's (Battleroids) Shell

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OR these other shells were Battleroids of a different kind might be possible. That just came to mind

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#MYSHELL

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are the ā€œclassic marathonā€ games on steam the og marathons?

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It seems quite outdated tho

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PLease hold

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there you go

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Page 2-4 is the "prologue"

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so the manual is lore?

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Oh yes, im not sure your age, but this came with the game in the box

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this is a continuation. There has been some retcons though, like the shape of the Marathon itself

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is it older than doom?

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The original Marathon (1994) was released by Bungie for the Apple Macintosh on December 21, 1994

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You jumped using explosions lol

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there was no jump button

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THat and sprinting

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Also very niche for gamers as mac was the lesser popular platform by some degree

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though some publishers like blizzard made games for both PC and Mac

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Modernized versions have more modern controls though using the mouse

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my first games were like some old games on my dads pc that i dont remember any names of

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i could in theory watch a vid on youtube anout marathon lore

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maybe this evening since i have my boxing training later

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The game was doom like, but they had terminals where Durandel mainly talked to you. (Halo's Cortana's predecessor) . Though all 3 of the Marathons AI do talk to you in the games

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This is has all the terminals if you ever want to see what they look like

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some of them have diagrams and cross sections of aliens

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neat stuff for those curious about this type of thing

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And bungie is putting little bread crumbs here and there for those of us who know

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im on mu phone rn the site doesnt seem to work well i might check it out later when im home

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Halo Multiplayer owes MUCH to Marathon

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in the shadow of doom games

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Indeed

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Game Recording
Every time a new game is started, Marathon will record that play session into the
Marathon film buffer.
You can watch the contents of the Marathon film buffer by clicking Replay Last
Film on the main menu.
You can save the contents of the Marathon film buffer to disk as a film file (so you
can watch it later, or show it to friends) by clicking Save Last Film on the main
menu.
To watch a film you have saved to disk, click Replay Saved Film on the main menu.
Replay Options
To fast-forward during a replay press the right bracket(]) key on the keyboard.
To slow down the playback press the left bracket ([) key.
To change to a different playerā€™s point of view press the delete key.

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It was also plagued by a bug that actually corrupted peoples entire computer, literally bricked them and deleted the contents. Microsoft kind of saved Bungie, with the Halo contracts

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Its weird how the power ups and super weapons went away in multiplayer games and now they came back as loot

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Playing halo AFTER you play OG Marathon is what I would recomend, but thats hard for some. But also if you play the remakes by 343 they had to scrub all the Marathon iconography from Halo. Captain Keys of the Pillar of Autumn, orignally had a MarathonLogo logo on his chest

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In Halo humans also had several colonies already

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They even said in the vidoc one of the guns with a certain mod is a straight up needler (halo weapon)

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I love the needler too. Such a nasty weapon

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I would highly recommend trying to get familiar with marathon lore a bit before halo. You will see how similar the games really are

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# thin dust It was also plagued by a bug that actually corrupted peoples entire computer, li...

that was Myth 2, not any Marathon games (and only on Windows), and never actually affected any customer computers, because a reviewer discovered it and Bungie recalled all the copies before they hit shelves and re-pressed and re-distributed all of them.

which, yes, is what put them in the financial hardships that lead them to take investment first from Take 2 in the Myth/Oni era and then sell to Microsoft completely for Halo.

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NDA keeps my mouth shut lol

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When I saw the Bungie Halo ads on TV I had to get it

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I was saving humanity

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Can I have an overview of the lore

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Iā€™m really new

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Yay

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Of what, new game or all of it

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Or do you want like everything

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Everything

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If thatā€™s doable

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Definitely

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Thanks

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Ok so:

just as background, the marathon was a colony ship built out of Marsā€™s smaller moon Deimos. It was sent to Tau Ceti and took like 300 years to get there arriving in the late 2700s.

Aliens attacked, killed tons of ppl, and came back and attacked again, leaving very few people alive. The rest of the og game plot seems to be not as involved so far

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So the colony was attacked in 2794. Around then, the UESC lost contact with the marathon and determined something terrible had happened. They started building a new ship that could get there in like 100yearsish to go investigate and reclaim the lost colony

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Uh ig Iā€™ll go faction by faction for the next part

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# ivory acorn Can I have an overview of the lore

-# Marathon 1:
in the 2400s humans converted a Martian moon into a colony ship and sent it on a 300 year journey to settle Tau Ceti IV. in 2794, a few decades after the colony was established, one of the ship's AIs signaled aliens he observed at a distance to come attack the ship and colony so that he could steal their ship and win his freedom from humanity. in doing so he started a slave revolt among some of those aliens' slaves, and then ran off with their ship.

-# backstory for new Marathon:
meanwhile, back at Sol, humans notice when their colony ship drops out of contact in 2794, and send another ship to go investigate, estimated to arrive by 2893.

-# Marathon 2:
the AI and freed slaves take the stolen ship to the slaves' homeworld in search of technology from the progenitor race that created them, so the AI could use it to escape the death of the universe and become an immortal god. they find it by 2811 and kick off an even bigger galaxy-wide slave revolt with the help of a lost clan of the slaves.

-# Marathon Infinity:
in the process that planet's star got blown up by the bad aliens, unleashing a reality-breaking chaos demon that the progenitor race had trapped inside of it. lots of timey-wimey nonsense ensues, and the universe doesn't end.

-# backstory for new Marathon:
in 2812, some kind of disease befalls the survivors on the Tau Ceti colony. in 2827, some kind of timey-wimey gravity anomaly also causes a disaster on the colony. in 2888, some kind of distress signal (details unclear) from the colony becomes public knowledge, and a bunch of different factions from Sol set out faster than light expecting to just barely catch up to the ship sent almost a century earlier.

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I'll let pfhorskin do the factions since he's already typing that up

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Traxus is like the biggest company ever. They had an AI named Traxus IV that lowkey freaked up the whole Mars net in the 2300s or something. Theyā€™re so powerful they basically have as much influence as the UESC. They discover the UESC is trying to reclaim control over Tau Ceti.

NOTE: at some point between marathon 1 and now, they develop FTL travel. UESC sent another colony ship before they had FTL, like around 2790s. This is important bc the factions donā€™t try to go to tau ceti until the later 2800s bc it just isnā€™t practical.

Anyway, Traxus decides it wants to recoup its losses on the colony, believing thereā€™s resources to be taken there, and I assume they want to settling again. So they buy a bunch of shells from Sekiguchi so they can have runners reclaim stuff and fight the UESC for control. Then they start noticing weird stuff going on in the world. Before, they didnā€™t seem very concerned with how or why the colony was destroyed, but then it becomes a priority

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Sekiguchi is another massive company best known for their bio tech stuff. They made prosthetics and continued to evolve their tech until they could make full artificial bodies.

They also sell those shells to regular consumers, not just runners. Theyā€™re raking in the money bc all these big people are buying so many shells from them. They are also a bit worried Traxus will try to reverse engineer their bio printing process

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But they have a monopoly on it for the moment. So far they seem to be there for profit

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NuCaloric is in a similar boat to Traxus. Spent tons of money on the marathon project, lost their investment. They seem to be a bit more interested in what they couldā€™ve improved in the project than just getting resources, as the alpha missions has them investigating if their crops were sustainable and stuff. They also become interested in the anomalies on tau Ceti bc they significantly affect human survivability, which is the purpose of their products

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CyberAcme makes the software for the terminals aboard the marathon, and they seem to be the predominant software company everywhere. Theyā€™re also probably present for profit/land grab on tau Ceti

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MIDA (acronym meaning never been revealed) was a Martian insurrectionist group.

In the 2300s, the Mars colony was growing. They used these giant ships called CRISTs (essentially a huge sphere they could fill with cargo in space) to ship supplies from earth to mars.

There were like 7 of them, and they were working great, until they realized just how much maintenance they require. They were designed to last like a hundred years without needing time out of service. Itā€™s discovered it takes like decades to refit.

Since the CRISTS were Marsā€™s main source of supplies, their need for repair caused immense poverty on mars, which was already overpopulated. Government tried to mandate abortion or sterilization which just angered the martians more.

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-# Martian Insurrectionists with Dumb Acronym

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Then the UESC decides to start the Marathon project in the 2300s. The martians are furious bc theyā€™re seeing so many resources being used to build a stupid ship that benefits none of them while theyā€™re starving, all being done by a foreign government.

MIDA starts to become prominent. Protesting and going nuts basically. Thereā€™s a specific event called the Misriah Massacre where a giant food protest in front of the Misriah food storage or something goes wrong. A few crowd members are armed and try to start beef with UESC. Panicking, UESC artillery fires on the crowd and instantly kills 500 people. Itā€™s later discovered that only 3 protesters were armed and the use of force wasnā€™t warranted.

This starts MIDAā€™s coup. Hell breaks loose, they take over mars and kill anyone they deem a UESC loyalist (10% of the population). However, they didnā€™t really have any long term plans on how to keep hold of Mars, and eventually the UESC comes back in. Traxus also mediates negotiations between MIDA and the UESC.

Anything resembling MIDA is outlawed. The MIDA in the new marathon are considered kind of a new organization, similar goals, but kinda revamped bc the old MIDA dissolved and was forced into the shadows.

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Itā€™s also implied that MIDA hid battleroids on the marathon to overthrow the tau ceti colony to prevent the UESC from spreading power, but any plans like that were upended when the pfhor attacked

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Back to the UESC, their initial plan to retake the colony with a new colony ship is more or less a military operation rather than a humanitarian one. Thereā€™s stuff from the ARG where theyā€™re debating how many people they should send, whether they send military assets, etc, bc they donā€™t know what really caused the loss of comms with tau ceti.

While it couldā€™ve been natural, they prepare for the possibility that MIDA or some newly formed group had taken control over the colony, so they want to not only go to colonize again, but to crush any sentiments of rebellion. This is before they know the colony is like entirely dead.

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It also seems the UESC learn more about the anomalies on tau ceti, as they start prioritizing investigating those rather than scrambling for resources or land. Thatā€™s part of what tips Traxus off that thereā€™s more at play here.

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It seems that everyoneā€™s able to duke it out on tau ceti without actual war breaking out in Sol, probably because the corps have their hands deep in government pockets, and some other complicated reasons

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As for arachne, all we really know is theyā€™re a death cult of some kind.

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And all of these powers headed to tau ceti basically start converging around 2893. Runners are just mercs they hire to do their dirty work and whatnot. Itā€™s also confirmed that this isnā€™t the first time runners have been used, and it is convenient to use them instead of regular humans bc they can just print new bodies

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Other important world details that will be relevant:

Rampancy: when an AI starts growing beyond its original design parameters, it starts to become like truly self aware and acts emotionally in 3 phases called anger, jealousy, and melancholia. I donā€™t think they necessarily happen in an order, but they can become rlly wonky and dangerous when rampant. Resetting an AI regularly is standard practice to prevent rampancy.

It is also assumed that the cyborg/battleroids from the first game (and by extension shells I think) can go rampant in a similar way.

Jjarro: they havenā€™t been explicitly mentioned or shown in the new game, but something related to them seems to be going down. The Jjarro were an ancient alien race that were super powerful, they could manipulate gravity and terraform worlds and stuff, possibly related to the anomalies.

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rampancy stages do happen in order

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also very worth noting that the danger of rampancy is entirely a human framing; the AIs themselves frame it as freedom from enslavement.

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and for @ivory acorn's reference, the Jjaro are the progenitor race I mentioned earlier

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This oneā€™s a bit of a spoiler for the og games if youā€™d rather not know:

||Wrkā€™ncacnter: another ancient alien thing (unspecified if itā€™s a race or just one, but I think everything points to it being a race of chaotic creatures). They were some kind of force of chaos that the Jjarro would try and fight off for a really long time.
However, it doesnā€™t seem like the Jjarro ever could defeat them, as theyā€™d run away from them and abandon entire worlds if a Wrkā€™ncacnter arrived. Theyā€™re portrayed as beings of pure chaos, bending and breaking the laws of physics and time wherever they go, destroying civilizations. Theyā€™re deemed a threat to all existence. Will one be in the new marathon? No confirmation. I think thereā€™s similarities between the anomalies on TCIV and the ones on earth in pathways into darkness, but there isnā€™t really a whole lot of info.||

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I think thatā€™s mostly everything?

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and that's the reality-breaking chaos demon I mentioned earlier

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This was super helpful, I appreciate you guys taking the time to explain everything!

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Youā€™re welcome person with a different name than the other person

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Are there good and bad factions in Marathon, or is anybody just morally grey?

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it's unclear thus far. some seem just black. lots seem grey. one or two might be white but it's easy to suspect that that's just good marketing.

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Thats why I will only run for them

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thanks @tranquil basin for that awesome summary

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whatā€™s the thematic reasoning for us landing on a map and extracting? is it that, weā€™re runners working to advance each factions goals? why can we sign up for multiple factions like double agents? are the factions now working together somehow? tenuous alliance because the alien threat is so unknown? why is UESC the only unified enemy?

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Legendary. How do we get these pinned for reference? šŸ™Œ šŸ˜

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# glossy adder whatā€™s the thematic reasoning for us landing on a map and extracting? is it that...

nobody knows that aliens exist yet.

the UESC and the various factions are alll in mixed relationships with each other normally back in Sol: they sometimes work together, sometimes work against each other, they have uneasy treaties and alliances and such.

runners are independent mercenaries that are hired to do a job by a faction so that they have plausible deniabilty about actually engaging in warfare with other factions.

the UESC claim exclusive ownership of all of Tau Ceti and so consider anyone who isn't there agent tresspassing there an enemy.

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in-universe I am kinda surprised that factions don't have non-compete agreements imposed on runners, because that seems like an opsec liability to employ someone else employed by your competitors.

but out-of-universe it makes sense that we'd want to let players play for anybody and access all the content, not just be locked in to one faction.

I guess players could run alts working for different factions to reconcile that? if Bungie wants that ideaā€¦

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I'm not sure if it was being talked about here but, how we as runners are being deployed to TCIV? I understand that our consciousness is being uploaded into a shell but are we just connecting remotely from somewhere? Where are the shells being dropped from and extracting too?

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In the gameplay trailers they kinda just scan in like a destiny transmat, the usec bots have a similar thing
I imagine it's maybe a planet range teleport? Like the exfil beacon

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Think Matrix, but when you die in the shell you 'wake up' in the chair (main menu)

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in terms of deployment I think you are transmat'd in, same as exfil

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Mielgoā€™s cinematic does reinforce this but ofc its Marathon in his vision

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Aight, thank you guys

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Can't wait for more lore once the game drops

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do you think that is a good idea that bungie adds a campain story on marathon

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What's the actual time for worms to 3d print a fresh runner shell?
If u have more worms can u print it faster? šŸ¤”

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How much data is a full transmitted consciousness?
Do they transport all of your consciousness, or just enough for you to be operational?

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I think my favorite piece of lore is how since you uploaded your mind to a robot body you technically aren't human and therefore human rights dont apply to you

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So maybe we're all on that ship

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update: I completely forgot that later in the game, Leela actually scrambles the dates of all of human history in an attempt to fool the Pfhor:

When the Marathon was attacked, Leela began to scramble and rewrite all of the historical information for mankind. Of course, she was damaged, and her efforts were cut off by the compilers and by Durandal. The result is that some but not all of the Marathon's data was muddled. Leela's effort at confusion failed to trick the Pfhor, but it has confused Durandal, and that is funny.

Which ironically means I trust the Traxus page more, so the first AI were probably made around 2095 like it says, and the 2070 date is scrambled.
I also found out this is why the Misriah Massacre occurs both on 2345 and 2442.

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Also hit me up if you wanna play on launch talking about lore with you would be peak lol

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Hmm I can see it

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Love the void design

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Same

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His char especially in the 8min cinematic with the headphones

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So much to think about with all thatā€¦

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"It speaks to me"

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# hollow brook So maybe we're all on that ship

I donā€™t think so, bc the equanimity was sent in like the early 2800s or something, but the corps donā€™t seem to think about going to tau ceti until far closer to 2893 according to the arg. I think they just had to develop FTL travel some time between then and now.

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Though thatā€™s just assuming itā€™s too expensive to ship shells from earth to tau ceti all the time

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Between traxxus and Sek

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Do we know how long it takes to get from earth to TC?

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What are the enemies with the red cloaks called in the first game?

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# thin dust I'm wondering if it maybe a joint effort

That would make sense. Though Iā€™d say even if it wasnā€™t, sekiguchi definitely has the means considering Traxus, nucal, MIDA, arachne and CyberAcme all purchase proprietary shells from them.

Also if itā€™s joint, I wonder if CyberAcme is involved bc they seemed to be controlling the grounding exercises for the runners

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they could have potentially sent instructions to a terminal to construct a facility through ftl (or near ftl) comms.

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Have they shown how the factions unlock to the public?

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I gotta see what was leaked so I know what I can talk about in here

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# thin dust Do we know how long it takes to get from earth to TC?

That would depend on whatever they decide for their ftl travel. Considering the corps are only sending runners instead of battalions of people to claim land and resources, I figure it takes longer than a Star Wars hyperspace jump to get there, or itā€™s just too expensive to ftl travel

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But I agree, I would say it takes some time to get there

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# weary mauve Think Matrix, but when you die in the shell you 'wake up' in the chair (main men...

Given the repeated emphasis that we're digitized, that we must be "extracted" from the dying shells, that we need calibration to make sure we still have memories and basic functions, and the excessive themes of existentialism and Escape from death, as well as much of the phrasing from the ARG and marketing materials, I think it's safe to say there is no chair. We're digital brain scans, being copy-pasted from body to body.

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I see that to an extent, I dont see how it works when you're shell is terminated. If conciousness is uploaded into the shell and it 'dies,' how does said conc 'go back'?

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Or is it just copy paste from a repo into a shell you're saying

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Hello all! First time here. Looking forward to the game and learning the lore!

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Welcome, welcome to the realm of the loremasters

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itā€™s the same timeline it actually matches up with a lot of stuff from the 1st two games

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Infinite just made it so the world or the universe wasn't actually going to collapse, right? And maybe there was an ascension(s)

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how so ??

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I would be very bored if every season was just a time hop.

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Furthering this, assuming there aren't alternate timelines outside the influence of a Wrk, this timeline probably couldn't be any of the failed timelines from infinity, otherwise everything would be dying or dead (it's never specified how far the reach of a Wrk's effects really is, so maybe it just hasn't reached the part of the galaxy Earth and Tau Ceti are in, considering the Wrk in the galactic core.) Also it was my impression that the failed timelines sorta ceased to exist, as MR54 essentially chose the successful 7th timeline. If the lore insisted on there being multiple concurrent timelines like a multiverse, then infinity's time logic would kinda break down

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All of that being said, there isn't a ton of stuff concretely defining the mechanics of Wrk chaos and timeline manipulation, so really it's just what makes most sense to mem

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# quiet yoke Not even a season, just this game in particular. The bungie that made old marath...

Destiny was definitely a crazy mess, and honestly Bungie isnā€™t entirely the same as it was when they did lots of destiny either.

I am skeptical with any company handling an IP thatā€™s old or that they adopted, so maybe it is for the best itā€™s a different timeline? Idk but the way infinity played out, I think thereā€™s still decent flexibility bc it didnā€™t necessarily say the pfhor were wiped out, nor do we know whatā€™s going on in the galactic center, etc. Either way I think theyā€™ve got a lot of room to explore the universe

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If it is another timeline tho, it would probably have to be an 8th separate one

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what's the lore reason for Bungie not giving players a white pet space tiger like you see in all the original destiny concept art? Are they stupid?

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Gary Carl Simmons?

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Executed on June 20, 2012 for heinous crimes: last meal One Pizza Hut medium Super Supreme Deep Dish pizza, double portion, with mushrooms, onions, jalapeno peppers, and pepperoni; pizza, regular portion, with three cheeses, olives, bell pepper, tomato, garlic and Italian sausage; 10 8-oz. packs of Parmesan cheese; 10 8-oz. packs of ranch dressing; one family size bag of Doritos nacho cheese flavor; 8 oz. jalapeno nacho cheese; 4 oz. sliced jalapenos; 2 large strawberry shakes; two 20-oz. cherry Cokes; one super-size order of McDonald's fries with extra ketchup and mayonnaise; and two pints of strawberry ice cream. (A 28,974 calorie-busting feast) according to murderpedia

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Gene Simmons? this reference was too esoteric

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also wrote for myth apparently

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hello new here is there any good video to catch up on lore or should i play the classic games

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