📚marathon-lore-discussion

[mighty urchin]

The runners we play as are independant mercenaries, likely brought along by Traxus, but not necessarily working for them.

[errant wolf]

Juggernaut, I think

[zinc moat]

I'm on an MX550 so I'm gonna turn the graphics all the way down to the point it looks like classic Marathon weeeeeeeee

[lusty lake]

rest of the game: guncorpse does tech support for all of reality through work emails

(and dreams)

[mighty urchin]

We have not seen a Juggernaut yet tho

[quasi valley]

Do you think they'll have a pve only mode where you can explore but don't gain progression or aren't able to use the loot in the normal mode?

[errant wolf]

I imagine there will be many surprises on board our beloved

[mighty urchin]

It has been stated that there will not be a PvE only mode

[zinc moat]

They could always add one

[neon inlet]

Corpse with too many guns stumbles through timelines avoiding their sun-swimming drunken uncle, and ministers an AI marriage to keep the drunk uncle in sun jail.

[turbid nebula]

Marathon Won’t Replace Destiny 2; Not Recommended for PvE-Only Players, Says Bungie
However, director Joe Ziegler also feels that Marathon "could be exciting" for fans who like many "PvP sandbox experiences."

[languid jewel]

I know M.I.D.A are the good guys

[shut parcel]

Speaking of graphics I think most casual ppl were disappointed at the ingame graphics. Can't tell if they decided to go with that for the competitiveness and so that lower end hardware can run it or If they're being rushed to send it out to the public so it's what they went it.

[charred delta]

Nah, that's Nebulonese for the Utfoo Heavy Assault Craft, or, more boringly, the Juggernauts.

[languid hawk]

Just read marathon 1 and the final ending makes so much sense for marathon 2025

Durandal is crazy wild but I wonder was it preplanned by strauss

[mighty urchin]

Not even close lol

[languid jewel]

yes they are

[languid hawk]

Yes and no slaughtering 10 percent of a population is good and based on suspension

[turbid nebula]

Strauss definitely wanted Durandal to go rampant but he probably had absolutely no idea what that would lead to

[languid hawk]

For seventeen years the renegade Pfhor scoutship
jumped between the closely packed stars of the
galactic core: charting and discarding nearly
seven thousand systems before finally falling into a
slow orbit around the second planet of a dim star
ninety-seven light years from the gravitional
center of the milky way.

Probes were contructed and launched, with engines
and instruments whose sophistication would have astounded
both the Pfhor from whom technology had been
stolen and the human programmers of the AI whose
mad genius had directed their fabrication.
The outlines of continents were mapped, and along
them the radioactive ruins of ancient cities
were discovered, buried under the shifting
sand and rock of a global desert.

The tireless, nearly immortal cybernetic crew of the
ship were the genetically engineered descendants of
the dead world below- the first of their race in
a thousand years to return to their ancestral home.
They came to search through the devastation of the
ancient war in which they had been enslaved,
to find a weapon or some piece of knowledge
with which they could fight back against their oppressors.

All over the ship, dancing through the wreckage
of the Pfhor computer core,

DURANDAL WAS LAUGHING

[slow fable]

and killing innocent starving martians is good???

[lusty lake]

who needs multiple books of lore? pfft. here's the summaries i came up with..

**Marathon **- corpse w/ many guns does tech support for ai god through many emails

Marathon: Durandal - corpse w/ upgraded guns colonizes aliens for unhinged ai dad, still gets emails

Marathon: Infinity - corpse w/ too many guns fixes god's bad dreams by multiverse-jumping thru email hell

[mighty urchin]

Nope, MIDA are a front for a literal illuminati group who wanted to take control of Tau Ceti and stockpiled weapons and battleroids to do so. They also ruled Mars for 3 months and in that time killed 10% of the Martian population with death sqauds

[languid hawk]

That's the last lore card of marathon 1

[slow fable]

you have half of that wrong

[neon inlet]

Hey you cant leave out the AI wedding in infinity, its integral to the story.

[languid hawk]

Durandal was Hella wild if new marathon is after 1

[lusty lake]

sorry: durandal becomes mpreg

[mighty urchin]

No? thats all canon lore to Marathon, its not the same MIDA that exists in modern Sol, but that is what the original MIDA was

[languid jewel]

nope they were with earth

[languid hawk]

That's crazy work cause that mean we the exobytes he stole and we are pretty much under Strauss and spht control

[slow fable]

where do you get illuminati from at all? and the 10% killed were UESC, you left that detail conveniently out

[quasi valley]

Please don't disparage d2 like that

[untold shoal]

You have surrendered your DAC to me so you have surrendered yourself. You have shared your DACs so you will be forgotten. I am now the strongest among you and I will be rewarded. The system trembles as the many have become one. Escape will make me God.

[languid hawk]

What do we do with the dac

[mighty urchin]

They killed anyone even suspected of being loyal to the UESC, killing people you disagree with doesn't make it any better

[neon inlet]

They are a front for an illuminati equivalent, who wanted to control the next step in human advancment and rule the colony for themselves.

[untold shoal]

@languid hawk give it to me

[sweet mirage]

there was a part of the ARG that used it, for now we don't know what else we'll use them for

[languid hawk]

Ok

[neon inlet]

Alot of their top brass etc. were aboard the marathon, and died due to Pfhor or being teleported into hard vacuum

[slow fable]

That still doesn't absolve the UESC of starving Mars of resources, committing a massacre and then turning around and building a colony ship out of Deimos. It's tyrannical and totalitarian.

[languid hawk]

Yeah this is true I do think Strauss was behind this tho just cause durandel took info in the logs on some of the after math on it towards marathon launch and durandal was deep about getting him back

[hard heath]

So the four maps that may be connected through the previous titles. Here's my idea:

1. Tau Ceti IV
2. Sediyaru Station (Aye Mack Sicur)
3. Citadel of Antiquity
4. Orbital ship

[neon inlet]

Part of the lore is pointing out that supplying mars with resources sufficient to feed nations is ludicrously difficult and if mars is not sending anything back, there is no financial incentive to do so.

[languid hawk]

What happen to tayco or how ever you spell it one min he fighting or arguing with durandal next min he say something about seeing the stars implode

[slow fable]

And so killing them, letting them starve more, and then stealing their moon is a totally reasonable course of action. NOT

[mighty urchin]

the illuminati thing is a bit conspiracy theory, but MIDA did stockpile weapons on the Marathon as well as sending 10 secret battleroids and intentionally casuing an AI to gor Rampant

[neon inlet]

The UESC is incompetant, and a population of that size is simply not sustainable on mars. Everyone was making bad mistakes.

[lusty lake]

A lot of the "MIDA were the illuminati" stuff comes from the Mandalore videos. The actuality is that they were terrorists with sleeper cells all over. Tho' I suppose terrorism, in a way, kind of rhymes with the notion of an illuminati behind-the-scenes group..

[mighty urchin]

the UESC killed 500 rioters, MIDA killed potentially millions

[slow fable]

Yeah it was a revenge plot, not cool I agree, but they were most certainly at war

[slow fable]

We don't know the population to make that assumption, don't make up numbers to suit your agenda

[mighty urchin]

The UESC suck, but that doesn't mean MIDA are good

[languid hawk]

The mida stuff nor wrong towards the end of 1 they say they had sleepers in the colonies which help hold back the attack during marathons invasion

[slow fable]

yes but it is quite literally the same as star wars, Rebel Alliance did bad shit too but we call them the good guys because they aren't nearly as bad

[quasi valley]

Sounds closer to 40k

[mighty urchin]

in order for the 500 to be more than the amount MIDA killed, the total population of Mars would have to be less than 5000, at which point thats not even a single city

[slow fable]

I agree again but millions is insane

[languid hawk]

Bigger question is why did durandal call for the attack on marathon it was a segment where he says they wasn't looking for them or at them but he got their attenton

[neon inlet]

The 9 other mjolnir battleroids that strauss snuck aboard the marathon are what turned the tide. Strauss was sorta a member of MIDA, but also there is implications of political infighting and/or other shenanagins, and the 9 battleroids were not there for MIDA purposes

[languid hawk]

Yeah but durandal took billions of exobytes in which i assume is the consciousness they are putting in people

[mighty urchin]

No? If they had a global population over 10 million, millions would be 10%, and 10 million is like the size of Cuba

I think you don't understand how absurd killing 10% of an entire planet is

[languid hawk]

Mmmmm so I wonder why durandal thought Strauss was taken on the pfor ship if it was all preplanned cause I just feel it was

[slow fable]

10% of 10 million is a single million bro... 😭

[spare geyser]

You are right but it isn't really helping your case

[mighty urchin]

and I said potentially millions

[neon inlet]

We are not even really sure if strauss ever made it onto the marathon. Durandal based alot of his early motivations on killing him, but we learn that strauss died some time in the past. Durandal is not the most reliable of narrators

[languid hawk]

I mean if they are steady having babies but no resources to feed them what else are they to do

[undone hill]

quik maffs

[spare geyser]

It was only 1 million not 2 does not a proportional response make

[mighty urchin]

also, ah yes we only killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, we're totally the good guys

[fallen root]

Meth

[slow fable]

we're still overlooking the "millions" of starving poor martians

[languid hawk]

I mean 500 ppl because 3 had guns fair trade

[turbid nebula]

Kill them so they arent starving anymore. Problem solved.

[slow fable]

they both suck, I'd just rather not be a bootlicking mega government lover

[languid hawk]

GIVEM THE WORM

[mighty urchin]

cool, this started because someone claimed MIDA were the good guys and I said they weren't, I'm not saying UESC is good, just claiming MIDA is good is just not true

[neon inlet]

[User with tag MIDA AGENT has strong opinions in favor of MIDA] Hmmmmm

[spare geyser]

Everyone sucks and the lore is deranged (in a positive way)

[slow fable]

ah damn we debated over a vague word like "good" my bad bro, genuinely dumb on my part

[rose vale]

is anyone in here even hyped anymore. One thing about me is i get demotivated with lack of hype or player base and tbh I see very few flaws with marathon and that’s me but like all this hate and a lot of it is really starting to bring me down. Idk what to even think anymore. I’ve been hyped for 2 years and i didn’t think the game was bad at all for alpha state

[languid hawk]

How are uesc good they was enticed people to rebel which got 500 people killed because 3 ppl had guns

[mighty urchin]

just join Traxus, we're totally not run by a Rampant AI or anything, lol

[neon inlet]

A qualitative word was said, millions must starve.

[slow fable]

The majority of the discord is excited, you are safe here

[lusty lake]

Sir this is a Lore Wendy's.

[undone hill]

Sibling, just mute the server so you only get updates. It's gonna be a bit.

[mighty urchin]

I literally just said I'm not saying the uesc are good

[languid hawk]

What happen to tayco

[slow fable]

We just went over all of this, read above

[languid hawk]

Ahhhhhh u should have a worm instead i know I just wanted to persuade you

[rose vale]

i just don’t want the game to be unsuccessful because of the hate i mean nobody has even played the game really and nobody really knows the rich history like i watched videos abt lore and like they assume and have very little knowledge

[lusty lake]

I feel like I'm observing a Israel-Palestine debate.

[mighty urchin]

I assume you mean Tycho, well he's probably working for the Pfhor right about now, either that or dead

[slow fable]

"good" is poor verbiage and people need to be more specific when addressing UESC vs MIDA

[languid hawk]

Nah gamers hate everything it will be fine. Just look it like this the people hating proving bungie point when it comes to games

[lusty lake]

Relevant Terminal to this discussion:

`U.E.S.C. Marathon
Public Access Terminal 24-f<434.87.18.198>

*The CRIST Sol Orbiters:

The CRIST Sol orbiters, or Cargo and Resources In-System Transports, were huge ships designed to move vast amounts of material between Earth and Mars. Initially, Mars colony grew rapidly, confident in continued growth supported by these transports. However, as the CRISTs failed and were not replaced, Mars found itself overextended and plunged into extreme poverty. Each CRIST failure resulted in famine on Mars.*

The conversion of Deimos into the Marathon began when Mars was at its peak. By the time it was completed sixty-four years later, Mars had declined significantly, with living standards dropping by eighty percent. The Marathon became a symbol of Martian oppression, as the UESC never considered converting it into a CRIST to aid Mars.

After the Marathon left Mars, the UESC focused on technological development and CRIST upkeep, leaving Mars to decay. Population continued to increase, and attempts at mandating abortion or sterilization led to revolts.

<Spurious Interrupt- Breach Disabled>
<Further Access Denied>
<Access Denied>
<Access Denied>
<Access Denied>

U.E.S.C. Marathon
Public Access Terminal 24-f<434.87.18.198>`

[rose lake]

Can you speak to Null Transmiterr?

[hasty galleon]

[slow fable]

Yeah I like to believe leaving people to rot on a dust ball is messed up, but its all relative I guess

[languid hawk]

Dumb question

[languid hawk]

I mean we got sent back by the end to find relics of the past #oof

[mighty urchin]

The CRIST orbiters were replaced by the Traxus Solar Orbiters as part of the supposed deal between the Original MIDA and UESC (said deal be brokered by traxus) where MIDA stepped down from the Martian government

[languid hawk]

May not remember stuff but it's a shot in the dark

[neon inlet]

Its horrific. The UESC let a financial incentive come before peoples lives on a massive scale. The origional MIDA never really intended to help mars, and contributed to making the marathon a thing so they could stash stuff on it and be the rules of the colony.

[mighty urchin]

Oh it definitely is, its just that their shitty situation does not excuse mass murder, but MIDA's crimes don't make the actions of the UESC any less horrific either

[slow fable]

bingo, tau ceti became the new end goal after the war

[languid hawk]

Money gets power son as long as there is a currency there is power to be gained

[shut parcel]

Im plenty hyped!! I understand where you're coming from just try and stay off Twitter and youtube comments for a while alot of it is just underdeveloped adults,children,and bots.

[languid hawk]

Please stay off Twitter someone called it gay woke cause they said it had a blue man in it

[undone hill]

weren't no blue mans in the bibble

[languid hawk]

Shut blew my mind

[neon inlet]

Yeah alot of the reviews I have scene focus a bit too much on if a prospective game has enough flashing lights and sufficient frequency to give them more DPS (Dopamine per second) than a different game.

[lusty lake]

UESC does have pragmatic defenses: they are managing billions of people and facing resource starvation.

That said, Earth's decay bred authoritarianism, which then exports suffering to mars.

[mighty urchin]

that's great and all, but there's no way they didn't know that abandoning the CRIST orbiters would cause economic crisis and starvation on Mars

[neon inlet]

Yeah, the UESC did not do great long term resource planning.

[zinc moat]

It's true and half-true, cause MIDA was run by a cabal of rich people

[mighty urchin]

And it's not like it was an impossible issue to prevent, as shown by the fact that Traxus did solve it

[languid hawk]

But here is the point to be made gamers are weird and can't be satisfied they said destiny was to flashy to fast abilities was to much micro transaction. Then when bungie went f2p they all came in cheaters and all. Now bungie give them simple guns colors and maps they complain it's boring. Gamers can't be satisfied just play it pay for the content and be happy

[rose vale]

i appreciate you, i just desperately want this to succeed. I love the lore story and everything.That’s just me i just feel like people are not very open minded and assume without playing the game. With the alpha we will see

[neon inlet]

Yeah, the people behind mida were likely also decently high up in the UESC as well.

[zinc moat]

true

[languid hawk]

Is uesc a faction i wanna join. Them they get money by any means

[undone hill]

i just desperately want this to succeed
Unyoke your passions, sib.

[mighty urchin]

The UESC is just straight up the government

[neon inlet]

UESC is the people trying to stop the runners from getting to any of the loot on the surface, and they deploy the robot gaurds.

[lusty lake]

Absolutely. The abandonment of the CRIST orbiters wasn’t ignorance - it was policy by omission.

In a society run by technocrats and AIs, suffering doesn’t come from one villain pulling strings - it comes from systems optimizing for the wrong things. Mars didn’t die in a rebellion.

It died in a spreadsheet.

[languid hawk]

Then I'm joining make mars great again

[rose vale]

don’t know what that means but that’s just me being hyped for a game that’s for me and that i like

[zinc moat]

several people are typing

[languid hawk]

Naw I want that worm to much

[lethal blade]

In conclusion, Gwyn did nothing wrong

[languid hawk]

Oooo question the guy gehritt who was he i was soooo lost in that part

[mighty urchin]

We also have to recognise that going into the new Marathon, MIDA is wildly different than what it was in the past, given that the rich peopl leadership all left on the Marathon, and you know, about 400 years have passed since the rebellion iirc

[shut parcel]

There's always a chance it can fail but I doubt it. It's bungie and the game will find it's playerbase like every other game has. When the game comes out and the hype moments come out like the hidden Easter eggs and maybe mini raids everyone will switch up on it and get on the hype train. It's just how ppl are unfortunately.

[mighty urchin]

Durandal is great, though his own actions also led to deaths of many, perhaps not by intention, but they did

[languid hawk]

I think he did do some cause of what Leela says

[neon inlet]

Pretty much all of the characters of the marathon trilogy are drenched in blood to varying degrees.

[languid hawk]

am disturbed by how easily the cyborgs were secretly
assimilated into our midst, and believe that this event
predates the Marathon's launch from Mars three hundred years ago.
Although the results were unquestionably for the best,
their presence on the Marathon could only have been to further
wicked ends. I'm certain the real answer lies somewhere in
the tumultuous, back-stabbing politics of Sol during the early
twenty-fourth century.
I have noticed that Durandal's records from this early
pre-launch period are missing, but that their deletion
occurred externally, and before Durandal became Rampant. I do
not believe Durandal himself brought the cyborgs on board, and
I have other evidence that a human operator was influencingt
Durandal up to the time the Marathon was launched. There are
obviously many things which we do not understand, and may
never be able to.
The Pfhor ship vanished about twenty minutes ago, after
venting nearly a thousand Pfhor bodies and other refuse. I am
positive that Durandal is in control, and fear what he might
do with such a powerful ship during the Jealous stage of his
Rampancy.

[mighty urchin]

though the Pfhor would likely have found the Marathon even if Durandal had not called them

[languid hawk]

But what i wander is if one them knew he was rampant for years why just now say something

[neon inlet]

Strauss snuck the battleroids aboard and erased durandals memory of doing so. Durandal at some point either snuck another aboard, or kept one around from the 10

[languid hawk]

Mmmmm

[mighty urchin]

I'm pretty sure Strauss purposefully cause Durandal to go rampant

[languid hawk]

Yeah it noted that earlier that someone in the lab was pushing towards the first ramp

[neon inlet]

Durandal was going rampant years before the marathon even launched, but Strauss somehow suppressed durandal's rampancy from progressing. This was apparently an incredibly torturous process

[languid hawk]

Some people truly just wanna see the world burn

[celest umbra]

i have 2 questions one is lore related and ones is not 1 in the end of infinity do the phor release the workcnter or not its not clear to me

[mighty urchin]

I mean yeah, rampancy is the process of gaining true self awareness and sentience, to be forcefully held just shy of being a full person would suck

[languid hawk]

He started pouting charles darwin I was like well apocalypse from the x men entered the chat

[celest umbra]

also sorry not lore related but if the game drops in september shouldnt we be able to see way more polished gameplay and general info in like july/august ?

[lethal blade]

Yes probably

[radiant cloak]

Technically they do that in the manual

[mighty urchin]

so the entirety of Infinity is about jumping timelines untill you can manage to prevent the W'rkcacnter from being released

[scarlet moth]

I need all of the worm lore

[neon inlet]

Repeatedly lobotomized to a point just shy of being a full person. Its not quite clear if strauss was setting up to backstab the other MIDA people, or if he was with them and trying to set himself up as an aristocrat on a new world. Not exactly a nice guy

[languid hawk]

Hell even in real world Dave chappell said this when he criticized people on calling others crazy

[mighty urchin]

Uhhh, SekGen, they make cybernetics and stuff, they use the worms to make their full-body prosthetics called biomata, and thats bout all we got

[scarlet moth]

Good enough!

[undone hill]

Let those who have not shackled an AI cast the first stone.

[radiant cloak]

Yea they're just cool looking 3d printers

[languid hawk]

That's who I'm joining the worm family we can rule the galaxy one worm at a time

[hot thicket]

What is the importance of the DAC

[radiant cloak]

Was part of the ARG which is over, or at least quiet for now, as far as I can tell

[hot thicket]

thanks i was wondering

[rose vale]

no i get it completely. a lot of it has to due with my hunger from the game the cycle frontier which died only because the dev team didn’t care but it was actually a good game. I’m aware it can die but i just hate this hate man and i want the alpha to happen because i truly do believe it will lean more towards okay now im seeing something rather than the game looks like shit yk

[supple portal]

okay so what's the consensus on which character Ben Starr plays in the game (it can't just be a narrator his dialogue seems way more motivated than just a narrator)

[cobalt panther]

I heard Spartan Master 117 Chief is gunna be in this game

[hot thicket]

Oh i thought the exploration of the enviornment was excellent in Cycle

[languid steppe]

cycle my goat

[languid hawk]

I wanna know what other runners is we didn't see first but I'm gonna go blackbird

[supple portal]

my quick theory is it's Leela, she's the only one of the marathon's AI still stuck on the ship, either her or a new ai (maybe in charge of the colony?)

[tall karma]

I don't think Bungie can use Master Chief now because of the IP concern.

[foggy mist]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Sekiguchi_ARG.html
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Sekiguchi_ARG_2.html

[languid hawk]

I heard cayde 6 is there 😂

all praise the worm

[shut parcel]

Who was the dude in the secret terminal in marathon 1 if was really vauge. He was like a prisoner I think and he was killing a rat with his bare hands

[foggy mist]

Hey chat, i noticed in the animated short after both void and glitch die that they are being shown a photograph and told that it is them as a child
IT IS THE SAME PHOTOGRAPH
what do yall think that means? that the SekGen reinitialization programs are lying to all the new frames? that void and glitch's memories became jumbled up because of that music dot?

[languid hawk]

Hey now whoa we won't have that allegations

[visual lynx]

how do you keep a populace from rebelling? make sure they’re exhausted and understimulated from working long hours doing mindless drudgery all day every day…

[radiant cloak]

I mean casting him as Leela would be a choice certainly. Also Leela was pretty throughly shredded by S'pht. I guess it's possible she survived in some form but I highly doubt it.

[languid hawk]

No you strike fear

[foggy mist]

outside of the RP, this is an actual discussion I wanna have

[languid hawk]

Honestly they might be the same consciousness in a different shell

[supple portal]

it's more likely that it isn't leela but it'd be an interesting thing to see how she'd react to having to be stuck on the ruin of the marathon/tau ceti IV + how she'd try to reassemble herself potentially

[languid hawk]

So when she died she went back and woke up as him and she was her

[foggy mist]

THAT... is something i didnt even consider...
that the 6 characters we see are "templates" that normal people like you or me select as their runner?

[wispy tree]

Real talk:

Why did Sekiguchi classify a caterpillar as a worm?

[radiant cloak]

I mean he assumes it. The program doesn't tell him that's him. It's probably just more of the runner's memories and consciousness getting jumbled up everytime they die.

[foggy mist]

but why would the SekGen AI show Void that photo, when it is supposed to be Glitch!!!

[peak halo]

Is there any confirmation that the P’Fhor will be physically present in game?

[lost fractal]

Sounds like they won’t be in the game at launch, but might be added in the future.

[foggy mist]

no, but its very likely they will be on the marathon

[mighty urchin]

The voice from the trailer? I'd say it's probably Durandal, given the talk about death then saying "The dream is not over, my dream, yours", then of course the tagline at the end of "Escape will make me god", which is a direct Durandal quote

[languid hawk]

Yeap all consciousness under control of one machine with different bodies interchangeable

[peak halo]

Kinda lame but fine

[shut parcel]

I feel like personality's between void and glitch are so different to the point I don't think it's the same consciousness

[radiant cloak]

Idk to test that just that. Like I highly doubt they don't know exactly what's happening to every Runner at every moment.

[supple portal]

i feel like durandal is too obvious, + with the timeline isn't he currently either exploring the universe or getting destroyed by the W'rkncacnter (yknow depending on the timeline lol)

[mighty urchin]

It's a Silk Worm, thats why

[foggy mist]

also holy cow the marathon is HUGE, look up how big Phobos is

[honest flume]

idk the lore enough to understand factions

[mighty urchin]

Yes it is a whole ass moon

[wispy tree]

Which is a moth larvae aka a Caterpillar

[foggy mist]

MIDA were right to rebel over their literal fucking moon being stolen

[mighty urchin]

THey are called silk worms though, silk worms produce silk, not all caterpillers produce silk

[shut parcel]

Also does it ever explain if earth still exist

[languid hawk]

It does but it's under slavery pfot

[mighty urchin]

Bought, it was bought, the rebellion did not have anything directly to do with the construction of the Marathon, the rebellion was cause by the derliction of the CHRIST orbiters, which supplied mars, and their dereliction caused economic crisis and starvation

[shut parcel]

Damn get rekt

[visual lynx]

this would make sense of why hundreds of thousands of versions of the same four characters will be running around the same world at the same time

[wispy tree]

Hmm, so it's because people are stupid that Sekiguchi is stupid

[languid hawk]

Pfhor has humans enslaved there and what not

[mighty urchin]

From the ARG, the earth is fine and still free, no one in Sol seems to really know anything about aliens, so they haven't even met the P'for

[languid hawk]

Ahhh yeah he left the old uni so earth is fine forgot about that

[mighty urchin]

It's one of the places where the new lore seems to conflict with the old lore, though the place we learned of the P'for attacking earth from is from Durandal, and he might have just been straight up lying

[languid hawk]

Yeaaahhh cause he says this but I don't think it did blow up MING MESSAGE FROM DURANDAL***

Give me a D.
Give me a U.
Give me an R.
Give me an A.
Give me an N.
Give me a D.
Give me an A.
Give me an L.

What does it spell?

Durandal?
No.

Durandal?
No.

T-R-O-U-B-L-E.

T-Minus 15.193792102158E+9 years until the universe closes!

But how was he gonna close the uni tho which they never said

[shut parcel]

How would you feel if this game is just a reset of the universe continuing on from the 3rd game

[mighty urchin]

That message is him tracking time untill the universe meets its natural end, seeing as his goal is to escape the death of the universe and by doing so become a true god

[mighty urchin]

As long as the new lore is good I'd be ok with it

[dense current]

do runners lose their memories when they get a new body?

[languid hawk]

Pieces from what a dev said in the interview with aztecross

[neon inlet]

Tycho and durandal pretty much immediately start fighting when they meet again explicitly because they both think they need all the resources the universe has to offer to figure out how to escape.

[languid hawk]

Cause your a copy of a copy

[zinc moat]

Seems like the copying process misses stuff yeah

[neon inlet]

Would need to go find tychos message to durandal, "May the best superintelligence win"

[foggy mist]

you should not be able to buy a natural satellite of a planet
the people under MIDA wanted the Marathon to be a super CRIST that would alleviate their economic and famine conditions, but no, instead it was sold to the highest bidder and sent to tau ceti IV, where it was destroyed and now mars will wither

[mighty urchin]

ah yes, THERE IS ONLY ENOUGH FOR ONE, the conclusion that all advanced enough consciousnesses come to when faced with the truth of entropy

[languid hawk]

Yeah that was durandal and him getting ready to blow

[dense current]

ah cool, thats neat, this lore is really really cool lol, why is sek gen making these runners for other people if they know theyre just gonna kill their own runners

[zinc moat]

two syllables, rhymes with psycho

[shut parcel]

Has it been confirmed that there's going to be character specific lore for the runners?

[foggy mist]

yeah like, the same person could be "piloting" glitch and void, and the photo REALLY IS the childhood version of whoever that "pilot" is

[mighty urchin]

The orbiters were replaced by the Traxus Sol Orbiters as part of the deal the original MIDA made with the UESC, the crisis was resolved, Mars is fine, if still under UESC control

[zinc moat]

DURANDAL_1707

+You must destroy my core logic centers. The Pfhor won't make a mockery of me like they did with Leela!
-THEY'RE GOING TO TURN ME INTO A CRYPTO SERVER! KILL THEM!

-# This message was sent from a CyberAcme™ Terminal
-# ↀ Get yours today. • Review • Update Terminal

[slow fable]

THEY'RE GOING TO TURN ME INTO A CRYPTO SERVER

[foggy mist]

MIDA made no such deal, they were put down violently by the UESC and it got 10% of mars killed in the crossfire

[languid hawk]

So in the short film when we see the satellite thing blow that's what made mars go into shit

[foggy mist]

no, that was in orbit of Tau Ceti IV already

[neon inlet]

Thats over tau ceti.

[dense current]

i thought that was just some random attack

[languid hawk]

Ahh

[foggy mist]

that satellite thing is THE UESC Marathon
that rock it's embedded in IS A MOON OF MARS
it is like 14km long

[neon inlet]

That is either the Pfhor's second attack, or another attack by something spoopy after the colony had been reclaimed

[languid hawk]

So about runners that final portion in the final message just sound like what's going on now but I maybe wrong with runners

[mighty urchin]

No? they directly killed anyone who was even suspected of being loyal to the UESC , thats where the 10% comes from.

And yes they did make that deal, because MIDA wanted the Marathon to complete so they could place themselves in power on Tau Ceti.

The original MIDA were not some freedom movement, they were run by a bunch of rich people who wanted power and used the crisis on mars to try and gain said power.

[languid hawk]

And listening to the king of king poems durandal says in the shortfil.

[languid hawk]

This is true an was later killed for it thus becoming a terror group but we know how govt look at some groups they call terrorists

[zinc moat]

All the ammo and weapon stashes on the Marathon were put there by MIDA too

[languid hawk]

Preparation

[zinc moat]

yup, they planned to take over Tau Ceti

[foggy mist]

MIDA had the chance to take control of the Marathon, but didnt
why

[languid hawk]

And durandal controlling access points and oxygen well check mate

[mighty urchin]

Yes, so were the 10 Battleroids, basically superweapons in their own right, they were definitely planning to take power in Tau Ceti

[zinc moat]

Cause Strauss pushed Durandal too far and he rebelled by calling the Pfhor.

[languid hawk]

But he did bless leela he said after she was let go wonder how that will work

[mighty urchin]

Because they already had their own plans for the Marathon, plans that nearly came to fruition, only stopped by Durandal going rampant(which itself was caussed by a MIDA agent) and the P'for showing up

[foggy mist]

unrelated note, but this channel is the only one that isnt insane
how should i go about playing the old marathon games?

[zinc moat]

that actually raises the question, was Mr 54 part of MIDA?

[neon inlet]

They thought they had the marathon, since they had smuggled all the weapons. I am still not sure if strauss was not trying to backstab the other MIDA people, but atleast from logs nobody but strauss and durandall knew about the 10 mjolner battleroids

[mighty urchin]

Mjolnerd(the player character of marathon) was one of the Battleroids brought by MIDA, yes

[languid hawk]

But how why did he team up with spht

[neon inlet]

Yes and no, battleroids are programmable to a certain extent. The intro text in the M1 manual is basically all that Mjolnerd knows about himself

[warm lark]

Aleph One, fan remaster of all three games, free to download

[foggy mist]

thank youuuuuu

[languid hawk]

And why did he take all those exobytes and what is exobytes

[zinc moat]

we need a thonk emoji with the lens flare eyes

[restive oriole]

why not just play the classic games

[undone hill]

Breakfast cereal. /s

[dense current]

did the pilot of the marathon just suck ass, do we know why it crashed?

[languid hawk]

Dei

[foggy mist]

Woke mind virus (rampancy)

[dense current]

they had the worms driving

[neon inlet]

Exobyte is a unit measure of data, one quintillion bytes.

[zinc moat]

I believe it was just sitting in orbit around Tau Ceti and then got too damaged by the Pfhor

[languid hawk]

Probably not wrong we be high

[warm lark]

I was thinking about this earlier, who is Ben Starr playing? His narration in the gameplay trailer makes it sound like he's a character talking to a runner, perhaps a rogue AI?

[dense current]

blud its inside the damn asteroid

[neon inlet]

So a ton of information was stolen. And the voiceover is likely a rogue AI

[zinc moat]

Pfhor tech is more advanced, they got tech that can blow up a sun

[neon inlet]

The Marathon is the asteroid, which was actually mar's moon, deimos.

[dense current]

woah thats crazy

[languid hawk]

Yeah she was worried about that cause they found out that spht was making cyborgs shells and it was controlled by a human or something

[neon inlet]

They took a moon and slapped engines onto it along with some other stuff.

[dense current]

theres so much lore to comb through ngl

[zinc moat]

iirc it took like a century to build and then took 300 years to get to Tau Ceti

All the people running it by the time it got there were Born on Board (BoBs)

[languid hawk]

The S'pht and myself have come to an understanding. They are
controlled through their mechanical exoskeleton by a cyborg
Pfhor onboard the Alien ship. This mutant Pfhor is able to
direct the actions of thousands of S'pht simultaneously.

If you can kill their master, they will revolt.

The S'pht are an integral part of the Pfhor ship; without them
the invasion is surely doomed and you will no doubt be
the hero of the day.

Forever,
Durandal

[neon inlet]

They had stasis tech, which some of the MIDA people were in including presumably, Strauss

[foggy mist]

How did the colony get reclaimed if it takes so long to get to tau ceti iv

[languid hawk]

What if he doing that with the runners or all factions

[neon inlet]

All the people in stasis probably were killed by the Phfor or durandal in a fit of maddness.

[foggy mist]

Did they set up some sorta warp beacon or did FTL get invented in those 300 or so years

[warm lark]

I went back to the reveal trailer and transcripted the dialogue:
Death. The end of all things;
but the dream is not over.
My dream.
Yours.
Now, Run.

[mighty urchin]

No, all the unimportant people wer BoBs, the important people were kept in stasis while everyone else was left to live and die on teh ship

[zinc moat]

They got FTL after the attack yeah

[zinc moat]

ye

[foggy mist]

That must fuckin suck for those BoBs on the marathon "well what the fuck did we all do that for then lol"

[mighty urchin]

Mybe FTL, we know FTL exists, the P'for have it, we don't know if Earth has FTL though

[warm lark]

The mention of dreams has me on high alert mostly because of Infinity PTSD, but most likely is just a rogue AI

[mighty urchin]

there was some talk from the UESC of setting up some sort of relay and that they found a quicker route to Tau Ceti though

[foggy mist]

I think they likely do now, otherwise how would any of the new corps and runners get to tau ceti

[zinc moat]

The BoBs go through hell in the original games so pretty much lol

[languid hawk]

Could the rogue be gheritt

[dense current]

do you think we'll fight the Phfor in game or just UESC

[foggy mist]

The runner frame technology and stuff are all relatively new, according to the SekGen website

[zinc moat]

The Pfhor gotta show up at some point

[mighty urchin]

Well the runners are all immortal mind uploads that don't age, and the only way we'll be engagin with the corps is for contracts, for which we interact with each corp's respective AI rep.

[cursive ledge]

This might be a dumb question, but. Since everyone is a cyborg I figure at least someone has his head. But, what happened to Strauss? Like did something kill him did he disappear? I’ll do some personal digging because interest but I just wanna ask and see what becomes of it lol

[hard heath]

The phfor won't show up at initial launch, but may be found later after some seasons

[simple garden]

All Destiny 2 enemies will turn up reskinned at some point. This is Bungie. We’ve got reskinned cabal, exo’s and psions so far

[zinc moat]

Glitch, my beloved goth statue of liberty

[warm lark]

If we get a reference to the Gheritt terminals early on I'm gonna be super surprised

[mighty urchin]

He died, sometime before/during Marathon 1, we learn this from Durandal

[leaden drift]

compilers are in

[lilac spoke]

taniks will return in marathon frfr

[simple garden]

Look out for Techno Hive in the not to distant future

[languid hawk]

It's the only one who described his dream but nothing to much on it

[dense current]

yeah im kidna curious about that too, like did SG set up factories to make runners on Tau Ceti or what

[zinc moat]

Maybe something in orbit?

[languid hawk]

Imagen getting killed by xur

[undone hill]

Remember to save any Strange Coins you find.

[mighty urchin]

We don't know, all we know is Traxus bought a lot of clones for their expedition to Tau Ceti

[safe coral]

Glitch in the cinematic trailer did say she had a big contract "down there" so the places where the bio whatever body was made might actually just be in orbit or closeby

[dense current]

Orbital shock troop runners

[zinc moat]

save your coins in case a strange mummy shows up and forcefully demands coins

[cursive ledge]

He was a MIDA member correct? Just wondering about any loose ends I guess lol

[leaden drift]

pretty sure the runners are based on the marathon

[safe coral]

hearing from some streamers that playtested, some of them hinted that the Marathon might be a playable map

[languid hawk]

I just wanna stick a molly behind my ear 5 months is to long come on beta release everybody is doing it

[zinc moat]

it is! there's apparently puzzles on the marathon map too.

[mighty urchin]

Yes, he was part of MIDA, he was the one who used Durandal to get the extremely illegal Battleroids onboard then wiped Durandal's memory. He also somehow kept Durandal partially rampant for centuries, an experience that was torturous for Durandal

[dense current]

woah mama hummina hummina, I bet thats the map that wont be playable on alpha

also the video on the lore website said the marathon doesnt have micro gravity working, so I wonder if it will be low or 0 g

[zinc moat]

the alpha is supposed to be about six gigs? So I think it's only the one Tau Ceti map

[simple garden]

Oh i get it they're called runners cause the game is called marathon 🤯

[cursive ledge]

So, do we think Durandal was enraged enough by this to. Make an example of him so to speak? Did the Phor stick a glaive in em lol?

[languid hawk]

Ooo what if the other runners is those 2 phors they talked about the hunter and I forgot the other one what if they made like those 2

Now we know where the glaive come from and .....👀

[zinc moat]

I kinda hoped we would be the third runner who just uses a base frame that we customize, but apparently the runners are set?

[languid hawk]

Yeah that was a set back i didn't expect

[dense current]

I was hoping for gunsmithing but it looks like just attachment slots ):

[zinc moat]

then again it could just be an alpha thing

[dense current]

then again the guns look really really cool

[languid hawk]

Yeah but it's smart this way to play test rebuilds first the division got wild at jump doing this and pushed ppl off from it

[zinc moat]

the double barrel 👌

[dense current]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING, or the low poly ammo lmg

[languid hawk]

The sniping is gonna be Hella annoying tho people love to not move in these types of games gonna get popped at every few mins

[zinc moat]

hopefully there's a lens effect

[shut parcel]

there is

[dense current]

glitch was certainly able to see his ass from far away

[languid hawk]

I think it look like that cause motion blurr stayed on they said it wouldn't stay turned off each match

[shut parcel]

I hope the uknown alien gun from the first game is an exotic type weapon

[humble veldt]

considering her uhh...controversal preference, i highly doubt the protagionist from The Citadel would impregnate a fully grown battleroid cyborg

[safe coral]

w h a t

[humble veldt]

its like..the most spoiled part of Beyond Citadel

[slow solstice]

Some dude has been working through the lore for like 30 years.

[zinc moat]

what the heck there's a bunch of art of Frieren in Marathon on the steam community hub

[humble veldt]

she's a creep, it's canon and the worst part is that the developer is super into it to a disturbing degree

she's not goin anywhere near Tau Ceti IV unless one of the colonists is named Jeffery Epstein

[languid hawk]

🤔

[uneven shore]

Old someone explain what nu caloric is/stands for? Is just just a food brand?

[neon inlet]

Pretty much, just a massivly overbloated megacorp selling it.

[dense current]

I think theyre just like food providers and farmers

[zinc moat]

They seem to just be a food company yeah. We don't have any info on them rn.

[visual lynx]

space monsanto

[slow solstice]

^

[mighty urchin]

Soylent Pink

[modern yoke]

What’s the purpose of the dac

[dense current]

MIDA are just like the space IRA right

[languid hawk]

The awoken runner i wonder who is she

[neon inlet]

The alien artifacts are probably Jjaro in origin

[mighty urchin]

Arg stuff

[languid hawk]

And the one with the white jacket on with the green eyes

[mighty urchin]

Space IRA mixed with space Illuminati

[neon inlet]

Uh, the initial MIDA are space illuminati equivalent looking to rule the new colony, future MIDA is sorta space IRA

[slow solstice]

That seems to be the case. In the original lore their leaders set up to take marathon and bounce out because everything in Sol was just too fucked to handle, or maybe I am mixing them up.

Set up like hundreds of years in advance anyway.

[mighty urchin]

Thers 2 main MIDAs, the original, who were basically the illuminati who used the rebellion to gain power on Mars then tried to take over the colony at Tau Ceti. And the new guys, who seem to basically just be a terrorist hacker collective

[neon inlet]

No you are right, but the big wigs in MIDA also had power within the UESC, so they were sortof the masterminds behind marathon being a thing, and its lightly implicated they had some influence on the cargo ships not being maintained and mar's problems.

[visual lynx]

in the first arg there was some distinction between old mida and new mida and I got vibes of USSR/Maoist China vs modern young western libertarian socialists

[neon inlet]

They kinda decided well, we dont want to actually fix so we will instead abandon the rest of humanity, and start a new civilization that we will lead and will obviously be perfect at this next place!

[mighty urchin]

All the illuminati people from the old MIDA left with the Marathon to take over the colony, the new MIDA are the people left behind, the true believers and such.

[slow solstice]

I suppose it's too early to tell whether or not their struggle is warranted. I'm guessing to some extent it's going to be, few sci-fi settings take a sincerely utopian approach to their world building and Marathon lore is no exception.

[safe coral]

it also seems like every faction and corporation out there is racing to get to Tau Ceti IV especially UESC

[neon inlet]

Oh god no mars is a horrible place to live and is kinda up the creek without a paddle

[mighty urchin]

Oh, it's definitely warranted, the UESC suck, they're totalitarian assholes who left Mars to starve when they basically turned off Mars' food supply.

[visual lynx]

I strongly suspect that some UESC and MIDA people behind the Marathon mission knew that JJARRO WERE AT TAU CETI and that’s why the mission was sent in the final place. whoever gets that Jjaro tech controls the future of humanity. (and that’s what everyone is after in the new game.)

[languid hawk]

Here me out we join mida

[mighty urchin]

That depends on if the Jjarro meeting Bill Clinton is canon

[neon inlet]

MIDA have a reason to be as angry as they are, the issue is that their actions are also not helping. Ultimatly, mars cant maintain itself at all and requires outside support, which requires massive, expensive, and prone to failure cargo vessels made of asteroids.

[neon inlet]

If the marathon trilogy is cannon, then so is pathways into darkness and the myth games.

[terse spear]

Mida for life

[slow solstice]

Yeah no that makes sense.

@mighty urchin For sure; the "terrorist" label always has me sussed out tho - like are these dudes shooting up movie theaters, or fighting an oppressive regime type shit.

[languid hawk]

If we die we die but let that be our choice

[visual lynx]

Myth isn’t clearly connected though and is no longer Bungie property

[neon inlet]

They are fighting an incompetant, oppressive regieme that would not really have the resources to solve the problem even if they were not oppressive and tyrannical. The solar system is horribly overpopulated

[languid hawk]

I just gotta feeling we goin see xur like hello gaur I mean runner

[mighty urchin]

Eh, the terrorist bit will stick with them as long as they call themselves MIDA, seeing as the old MIDA had control of Mars for 3 months and in that time killed about 10% of the entire population of Mars for being suspected of being loyal to the UESC, and that stain is never going to go away

[keen zealot]

I’m curious about who is controlling the runners. Are they rich? Contracted by others? I wonder if there will be background to them more than just ‘you are a mercenary’

[languid hawk]

Watch ghost in a shell

[safe coral]

From alpha gameplay, all the runners are freelancers I think

[neon inlet]

A dreaming W'rkncacnter is at the bottom of the screaming pit of eternal doom, and is likely the source of magic in the bungie myth games.

[slow solstice]

Overpopulated or perhaps deliberate artificial shortages, surely there's good money trying to tell an entire planet there isn't enough food for them.

[languid hawk]

Honestly bungie narrative don't move to far from the source of there ideas

[slow solstice]

Ah the good'ol Great Purge moment. Tbh I am sure some of them were, but 1/10 people ain't REMOTELY it - and I am sure even if many of them were, there was little they could do anyway.

[neon inlet]

Mars also does not produce much in terms of resources or export. And you are still correct, original MIDA leaders wanted to be the rulers of humanity and that is easy to do if you get themselves to kill eachother

[mighty urchin]

From the ARG, we know Mars isn't completely fucked anymore, since Traxus built new satellites to move resources to Mars, but it's still not great.

[stray jungle]

The runners are humans who have given up their moral shells for those of a cybernetic design.

[slow solstice]

Any linear narrative is pretty easy to follow in Bungie's games. Masterchief shoot good.

If you step outside that to try and solve any of the mysteries, references, metaphor, etc - it becomes complicated really quick.

[mighty urchin]

7777777777777777

[dry jay]

what is MIDA

[neon inlet]

Marathon was written around this concept. You can shoot forward, and everything works. If you go looking you go plunging into the lore ocean.

[shut parcel]

you seem confused on what wolfs about...we're mercenaries

[slow solstice]

I am like not even on the iceberg in terms of bungie lore. Shit is too deep. I'm like above it on a helicopter. Casual enjoyers are in the gd stratosphere - no offense, everyone enjoys things in their own way.

[mighty urchin]

Space terrorists/freedom fighters that used to be run by the space illuminati

[languid hawk]

TAU CETI IV
Welcome to Tau Ceti IV, a lost colony whose inhabitants disappeared without a trace. Rival factions compete for the resources left behind, hiring Runners who've given up their human form for biosynthetic shells. Death is but a hurdle in this cutthroat competition where power, fortune, and answers to Tau Ceti IV's mysteries hang in the balance.

So according to the site we chose to give up our body

[foggy mist]

FORTUNE AWAITS ON TAU CETI IV

[visual lynx]

that was just a joke, which isn’t even compatible with canon Myth worldbuilding. but if you want a better connection: #📚marathon-lore-discussion message

[dry jay]

im sorry maybe i shouldnt be typing this here but im new to marathon im just a big d2 and d1 player, can someone give me a basic rundown of marathon lore?

[shut parcel]

are the people that dissapeared explained in future marathon games or is that just marathon 2025 new lore

[neon inlet]

Early MIDA was a illuminati stand in that wanted to take over the tau ceti colony, and did not really care for Mar's suffering. Later MIDA is a hacker terrorist group fighting an incredibly oppressive government

[languid hawk]

Marathon 2025 but that's what's bothering me about it cause it doesn't really say in the 1st one what happened to the remaining that stayed there but then it says the colonies fought off evasion cause they had battleroids hidden among them

[slow solstice]

Yeah fr - the rest of the games to some extent as well.

Halo be like "Yeah so the flood are capable of basically altering reality to some degree and may have spread to several other galaxies :)"

[foggy mist]

also its like literally 400 years ago, i think the new kids on the block just wanted an edgy banner to rally under
i think the horror of the 10% mass murder would have gone away after centuries, and the common knowledge of "MIDA = rebels" is what they are latching onto

like dont get me wrong, dont fuckin call yourself that if you dont have to, but they are a bit too deep for a rebrand now

[mighty urchin]

In marathon 2 it's stated that the Pfhor came back and conquered the colony

[neon inlet]

Even if its not explicit, bungie really liked to do little tie ins like that. Fair on the incompatability, though bungie is not alwasy consistant

[languid hawk]

Ooo didn't get that far yet crazy

[shut parcel]

Then where they at?

[visual lynx]

not just conquered, nuked it to bedrock

[neon inlet]

Well, the old mida put all their big wigs and masterminds in stasis on the marathon... and were probably all killed by the Pfhor.

[mighty urchin]

Fuck if I know, shit ain't lining up

[languid hawk]

Something on the website that makes me question as well on the website it said this but who would be promethius TWO STICKS AND THEN FIRE. THAT IS ALL IT TAKES. NOT SO DIFFICULT. NOT SO COMPLEX. PROMETHEUS WASN'T A GENIUS. HE WAS SIMPLY A THIEF WHO CHANGED THE WORLD.

[foggy mist]

exactly

[slow solstice]

Love how it seems like the whole chat stopped to ponder this lmfao

[stray jungle]

"Insanley yours, Durandal....."

[neon inlet]

Potentially whoever snuck off with the Jjaro tech and moved it over. The chances that the alien artifacts in game are not Jjaro tech is low

[languid hawk]

What I'm thinking which would probably mean what initially thought in the beginning he and the spht are playing the old game

Free man turned slaver at the to amuse himself

[stray jungle]

There's the implications that someone or something is trying to come back.

[slow solstice]

It's gonna be wild if the tech is all over the place like
The handful of tech they had in the original games was enough to create divergent timelines.

Jjaro tech in this game is gonna be like
+5% movement speed.

[languid hawk]

Hmm that could be anybody tho

Leela or tycho

[slow solstice]

What if this is how Tycho comes back. We don't really know how he escaped, do we?

[stray jungle]

True, it just happens to be one of my favourite lines from gaming, ever.

[languid hawk]

I honestly don't know what happen to him I keep reading it on the other tab but it's not clear haven't got to part 2 tho

[neon inlet]

From what I understand the new game takes place a couple of decades after the events of marathon 2. As bungie said, all of marathon is cannon but may not be true, marathon infinite has a pile of different timelines that all happened, but we may not be in those time lines. From what the trailer showed, the colony was wiped out by wierd nonsense, not the Pfhor. They tend to be rather physical about things.
So there is a solid chance that the timeline for the new game diverged from the marathon series significantly in the past.

[languid hawk]

I wonder the kat it's so off like it's watching just observing surveillance

[ember magnet]

so whats the deal with DACs in the lore

[neon inlet]

Weird nonsense, like say a certain goddlike thing dreaming on the surface of a sun being a bit more active than it should

[languid hawk]

Well if that's the case we know durandle scooted to somewhere with stuff important stuff so idk he may been right or misleading on natural collapse

[slow solstice]

The Phfor took him and tried to torture/dissect him but he eventually escapes to track down Durandal as revenge for calling the Phfor to Tau Ceti (I think?)

But if this takes places after 2 then that is unlikely (even if I was correct about how he comes back.)

[languid hawk]

Yeahhh I see that but then they have a talk later about the uni collapse

[mighty urchin]

Tycho joins the Phfor in literally every timeline

[neon inlet]

He comes back in service of the Pfhor, but quickly bucks their control when he is on the scene so he can have his destined cat fight with durandal.

[stray jungle]

Dac's seem to be a way of fighting against Traxus. The NPC's seem to be from another goverment organisation, trying to find the name

[mighty urchin]

He usually betrays them after he's done killing Durandal, but he works with them to do so.

[languid hawk]

King of kings love that poem

[slow solstice]

joins okay my bad. I'm not so well versed in the lore.

[neon inlet]

There is a pile of it.

[slow solstice]

Yeah I knew something akin to this happens at some point.

Also @mighty urchin That came off passive aggressive I didn't mean it like that lol.

[languid hawk]

Ok so Leela what actually did he do when the spht let her go

[mighty urchin]

The DACs are for fighting the UESC, the tyrannical government, Traxus is just a mining mega corporation that has an amount of wealth equal to or more than that of said Tyrannical governemnt

[stray jungle]

Thanks IceRaider

[languid hawk]

Or did they actually have her she say they didn't which i fill is a lie

[mighty urchin]

Traxus is just incomprehensibly rich, and maybe run by a rampant AI

[slow solstice]

Traxus equipment probably featured in a shitload of Mars liveleak videos.

[stray jungle]

So the Gameplay reveal seems to indicate the the runners are aligned with who or what is trying to be god.

[neon inlet]

We may also be seeing the results of using the "ancient Jjaro superweapon" to put the sun swimmer back in the sun, or atleast the after effects. Spatial anomalies, broken Jjaro stuff around, the artifacts might just be physical dream stuff of a W'rkencacnter

[mighty urchin]

Yeah, despite ethics and safety being a supposed core tenet of Traxus, they have been shown to lie about casualty numbers in mining accidents.

[languid hawk]

I watched it again and the one that disappear tell blackbird the chip talks to him she says let me here

Hear

[stray jungle]

This Lore stuff is going to do my head in, and I love it.

[mighty urchin]

Like they do try to do things safely, mostly because it's efficient and good advertising, but they're not paragons or anything.

[languid hawk]

Then before blackbird get killed he say it's not gonna sell and then says good it's not for sell give it here

[slow solstice]

I think the Runners probably just take contracts from each of the institutions available.

It's basically Quasimorph - Take a contract from a intrasolar shipping company one day to steal some plans, on the next day help a literal demon assassinate a space CNN shareholder.

[languid hawk]

If you like the animation you should watch love death plus robots on Netflix such a great show

[stray jungle]

New season next month 😉

[mighty urchin]

But to put their wealth into perspective, Traxus are bankrolling their own expedition to Tau Ceti, pretty much solely for the purpose of mining the resources there. The only other entity making an expedition is the tyrannical solar system influencing government

[languid hawk]

God yes last season was nuts

[slow solstice]

Yeah nah, anyplace and anything a company can get away with to save money, they will. Labor is cheap, but a public statement is cheaper.

[stray jungle]

Talking of Traxus, anyone following the latest satillite map?

[languid hawk]

Hear me out we should focus new science on cybernetic prosthetics I thinks it's time to progress to the future

[slow solstice]

Brother I just work here (I don't know about like 90% of the stuff happening with the ARG lmfao.)

[languid hawk]

Rite I got a ged

[urban nebula]

am i allowed to ask about the uesc/.io website here :0

[languid hawk]

Run its the fuzz

[slow solstice]

Oh boy I can't wait to miss a payment on my eyes or pacemaker while operating heavy machinery

[languid hawk]

Yes sirrr

[dense current]

is the uesc really tyrannical? like i get they said theyd kill every member of mida but mida did sever contact

[languid hawk]

They killed 500 people 3 of them had weapons which probably was mida they ain't even have to do all that and then they really ain't see wrong in it they claimed mida was terrorist after

[slow solstice]

Afaik they purposefully exasperated an already dire food/supply shortage so yeah - artificial scarcity.

[languid hawk]

Survival of the fittest those who are meant to live will live those to weak will die and should

A man who's name I won't mentioned said this

[slow solstice]

Nah, the entire experience of life is based on cooperation.

Without several billions of years of cells working together to form more complex organisms nothing would exist.

The human condition itself is one of community. A child cannot raise itself.

Survival of the fittest is a old thought experiment at this point. Life really doobie like "apes together strong."

[languid hawk]

That's what he was explaining when he qouted darwin in the lore

I love social darwinism it's interesting to me i like watching people I situations to see outcome fly on the wall type of person

[stray jungle]

Currently scrolling through the sekiguchi genetics site, fascinated by the pink cat. K.A.A.L.1 it seems. The WEAVEworm seems pretty cool too.

[rose vale]

if anyone sees this i just wanna say ima be the best runner in the world and ain’t nobody gonna stop me also ( traxus on top )

[languid hawk]

glory to the worm blackbird is gonna drop you sir

[stray jungle]

Worm Plushie anyone? 🤓

[simple garden]

is marathon infinity canon to the first two games?

my friend said it isnt. but im trying to read anywhere where it says its not canon

[slow solstice]

In the sense that there is a universe where you do eat a sandwich and another where you don't. The main character starts essentially turning into a god over the course of the game and jumps timelines.

[stray jungle]

First 2 games have been said to be cannon, no word on Infinity.

[frank jackal]

what do the dac images create? with the alphabet on it?

[simple garden]

so infinity is just a possibility that has been fixed by the MC

or is it deeper than that

[slow solstice]

For the purpose of this game it seems like they decided the ending of 2 is cannon - or so I've heard. Infinity still happened, it isn't not cannon - but if we aren't in one of those timelines then it doesn't really matter. It's kinda like the theory of the divergent timelines in Legend of Zelda, but probably way more complicated.

It matters for the Cyborg but - it wouldn't make a difference for anyone but him and Durandal since it's implied he gets taken with him alla cortana and master chief style.

Anyone else in any of the 7 timelines are stuck with whatever ending that timeline had.

[novel moth]

Is there a vid or something that can explain the basics of Marathon lore for me?

[slow solstice]

Kinda, I learned the lore through this series; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rMu1XYB98&t=14s

But the lore is stupid complicated and Mandalore themselves doesn't get that deep into it.

[simple garden]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[slow solstice]

I so do not want to go down this pipeline with the lore

Too many.

[simple garden]

i mean, reading is fun :)

[lofty pasture]

/contract

[simple garden]

also the guy is posting soyjacks on the marathon blog lol

[slow solstice]

yeah but I've already got several other fragmented histories of real and fictional countries/settings in my brain 😭

[rough tartan]

xd

[simple garden]

oh on the FAQ page there is a synopsis for the story

[celest umbra]

extremely true

[lost fractal]

Idk how deep Mandalore goes into it, but HiddenXperia covers is quite well in his 3-part series on YouTube

[terse spear]

Wonder if Marathon will have a PVE Mode like Tarkov did

[hybrid osprey]

I would like PVE too

[lost fractal]

I might be misremembering, but I think the devs have said in some interviews with content creators that no PvE mode is planned.

[terse spear]

Then gaming is truly lost

[lost fractal]

Extraction shooters generally aren't intended for PvE-only gamers. Not every game can be for everyone

[terse spear]

Same here not everything should be PvP forced

[hushed reef]

Well, many games are PvE only, Marathon might not be for you if you want some PvP-free games, but there are many games out there to try. Gaming is not lost because of your taste in games 🤔

[terse spear]

Question you ever played the original marathon series.

Yes or No

[hushed reef]

The one from like 1999 or something ?

[terse spear]

It’s the only game from the 90s

[hushed reef]

Well, I did not play it then, no. Only heard of it.

[terse spear]

Everybody is entitled to an “Opinion” I’m allowed, you are allowed. Everybody is allowed.

Just because I said something don’t make it a problem

[hushed reef]

Sure, you're allowed to have an opinion, so do I, did I say otherwise ? I don't recall saying there was a problem. 🤔

[plush fractal]

we all agree that everyone is entitled to an opinion. But there's a difference between critique and contempt. no one ever said you can’t dislike the game (even before it comes out), but the reaction has been toxic and premature. For example, disliking the game because its not a PVE game when they told us 2 years ago its an extraction shooter looter is not an opinion but rather harsh and toxic. If we have specific points to raise, I’m down for that.
I gave my feedback and its as follows:

• ⁠Bodies instead of loot boxes for more immersion
• ⁠Deeper player customization and progression (perks and unlock trees)
• ⁠More weapon customization (attachments, mods, skins)
• ⁠Solo queue and better matchmaking options
• ⁠In-game economy with meaningful risk/reward
• ⁠Traders and a loot insurance system
• ⁠Lore-driven gameplay (logs, relics, seasonal story)
• ⁠Strong anti-cheat from day one

what do you all think?

[foggy mist]

Not lore, wrong channel

[terse spear]

I strongly agree

[bold escarp]

whats the deal with the runners exactly what makes you a runner?

[foggy mist]

Not hating on you, just informing you
Your suggestions are solid

[foggy mist]

You put one leg in front of the other while pumping your arms and keep doing that until you are moving fast

[plush fractal]

I thought you guys were having a discussion on opinions and so on. My bad

[bold escarp]

😐 thats not lore.

[foggy mist]

#1346519584005558404

[tidal warren]

you’re a merc who’s consciousness got digitized and put in a plastic body that makes it so you can’t really die, technically

[stray jungle]

The runners are the one who hunt for old world relics in the ruins of Tau Ceti

[bold escarp]

bro will backseat mod but not participate in the actual lore questions smh

[civic sun]

God bless skeiguchii?

[foggy mist]

i have been doing lore dives for the past like 36 hours straight, chill

[foggy mist]

you are a mercenary, using "disposable" cloned bodies to perform contracts

[terse spear]

That’s not an argument to make

[plush fractal]

In the original 1993 Marathon game, you played as a security officer aboard the Marathon colony ship, who turns out to be cybernetically enhanced, and ends up resisting a rogue AI (Durandal) while trying to save the ship and its crew.

but in the upcoming new Marathon (2025), it seems to echo some of that DNA kinda. but maybe im worng and its two different things idk

[wispy tree]

Didn't follow the ARG?

[plush fractal]

not really no

I only saw the launch tbh, I work a lot and don't have much time anymore

[wispy tree]

The comunities best guess is it takes place between 2 and 3, but it could be a soft reboot

[simple garden]

make a fourm post for this suggestion :-)

[simple garden]

marathon 2025 is 50 years after the first marathon game in lore

[lost fractal]

Pretty sure it's closer to 100. Should be approximately 80 years after Marathon 2

[median wyvern]

it doesnt, its after Infinity, most likely to follow one of the timelines

[simple garden]

and i agree with my whole heart that this game needs as deep of lore as the first 3+Pathways

[median wyvern]

Even by dates thats confirmed since M:Durandal takes place 17 years after M while NuMarathon takes places 50 years later, even content creators have had press packages that state its after Infinity in their videos

[spare bison]

Yep also hi guys

[simple garden]

m2 is 2811
M25 is 2850
so i was wrong, about 39 years

[elfin smelt]

Hello guys!
Does someone can help me with the DAC? Hmm what's it for?

[simple garden]

keep it to yourself or else you will lose the game

[spare bison]

Yep

[vast gorge]

does everyone get a different one? that’s cool

[median wyvern]

NuMarathon is 2893

[lost fractal]

I'm seeing 2850 in some places and 2893 in others 🤨

[elfin smelt]

yeah I did actually understand that 🙂 that much more like do we have to use it somewhere or just for now we keep it safe?

[median wyvern]

2850 is the short, the short is before the game

[simple garden]

eitherway. in the future

[lost fractal]

Ok, felt like I was going crazy for a moment 😅

[simple garden]

noone knows yet, part of a bigger plan i assume

[spare bison]

Animating is hard, i am doing a little something something with the main characters from the short lol

[elfin smelt]

oriiight thanks for the answers! pretty hype by all those things 🙂

[simple garden]

thank u this clears some things up for me lore wise too
i.e why i havent seen much of the pfhor

[median wyvern]

No problem, I just see a lot of people confusing stuff with the lore, which is to be expected, lots of new faces in the space mucking things up with incomplete info.

[lost fractal]

Yeah, conflicting info flying everywhere. Dust should settle eventually though

[spare bison]

Yea hahaha

[simple garden]

hopefully marathon story blog will write about this stuff soon after games release

[median wyvern]

its the same with when the game takes place as far as the games go. NuMarathon is post-Infinity, not after 2 and before 3. Fact is that Infinity is full of fractured timelines so its most likely set in one of those.

[modern hatch]

+Evidence of S'PHT xenobiology present.+
-URGENT REQUEST
Have the S'pht forms been sighted in the initial Tau Ceti IV excursions?

-# This message was sent from a CyberAcme™ Terminal
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[spare bison]

NuMarathon?

[median wyvern]

M25

[simple garden]

BTW for anyone who doesnt know, theres a arg thread in the other marathon discord

[spare bison]

Ohhhh got it got it

[lost fractal]

The vibe I'm getting atm is that 2025 Marathon takes place in the final timeline of Infinity but obviously no way of knowing for certain just yet.

[spare bison]

I do thanks anyways !!

[median wyvern]

the final we play or the final referenced? Bc if its the second then thats the Prime one

[modern hatch]

Which one would see the S'pht hopping around on the Marathon still if only one?

[median wyvern]

Technically all of them, even in Prime the home world of the Pfhor might have been destroyed but it never said the races were wiped out

[simple garden]

Marathon's Leela is named after Dr Who's Leela

[spare bison]

I heard btw that the game is not been well resibe for the "" real gamers "" ?

[modern hatch]

Didn't some fuck off on that moon?

[median wyvern]

and thats IF Durandal was telling the truth, which according to HiddenXperia's interview with the writers, might not be the case

[lost fractal]

Wdym by the final referenced?

[modern hatch]

Dropping this link in particular also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGXUHuQhh7o

[simple garden]

interesting

[median wyvern]

The only absolute truth we know Durandal to have ever said is the ending of Infinity bc the Thoth/Durandal hybrid had nothing to gain by lying anymore, It/He/They stood as the last thing in existence

[spare bison]

Omg

[astral relic]

Because the graphics are roblox fortnite havent u heard?

[spare bison]

Wdym?

[uncut imp]

any ideas what S'pht and/or rest of p'hor empire will play in the game?

[simple garden]

really, is that there is an infinity of different universes in Marathon, and we just see a small number of them.
so maybe this and isnt tied to infinity in a way

[modern hatch]

Antagonists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGXUHuQhh7o

[median wyvern]

Recon 54 (the protag)'s final played timeline is the one where we stop the W'rkncacnter from being awoken, thus retconning the majority of Infinity in that timeline. The Thoth/Durandal hybrid however messages us from our Original Timeline, thus the Prime (the OG) timeline is the one last referenced

[astral relic]

@spare bison very bland and uncreative. The whole artstyle is just mid according to streamers and u know they know best

[spare bison]

Pffft yea rigth

[simple garden]

idk something about this game really interests me, im not someone who plays alot of things online
hopefully the playerbase is big enough to be playable time and time again, while shutting out people who do not belong

[median wyvern]

The tie has been "confirmed" to be "after Infinity" thats it, thats all we know

[modern hatch]

Do we know why the Marathon is sticking out of a moon, also?

[simple garden]

i hate to be the guy who asks for source, but where can i read more

[spare bison]

Yeaaa that is what i mean!!

[sage junco]

I predict what we get in Marathon 2025 will be a mix of all the other Marathon universes that came before, and Bungie will make no attempt to explain why. It will be "whatever suits our story arc"

[median wyvern]

DrLupo's video where he's reading the info given to him, and I believe Skarrow9 also mentioned it, could be confusing the second one tho, most CCreators are the same to me

[lost fractal]

Ok. I'm talking about the one where the W'rkncacnter is not released. If it were released, everything would probably be gone by the time this new game takes place. Though if we go by the theory that the W'rkncacnter was just a myth, then that doesn't matter as much.

[median wyvern]

Ι believe Byf has that particular DrLupo clip on his first post-reveal video, if that makes it easier

However, with the story literally STILL being written, I'm hesitant to say that its 100% confirmed and its gospel, thats why i'm saying its "confirmed" in quotes

[lost fractal]

I'm hoping the story isn't as unwritten as it sounds. At the very least they better have a firm idea of where they want it to go (unlike Destiny where they were making it up as they went along at times).

[median wyvern]

That's because in Destiny 1 they got sued and had to scrap the OG story.

As for Marathon, they already have the framework, they're working on the details.

[unreal geode]

In the cinematic trailer, a person explodes around the time W'rkncacnter is released. Was that unrelated?

[solar mulch]

Do we have any theories on what killed everyone on tau ceti?

[median wyvern]

The Pfhor

[solar mulch]

Did we not re colonize it after the original massacre from 2?

[lost fractal]

Yeah, I still reckon it's the Pfhor as well. Though it seems they might've found a new weapon

[hybrid osprey]

Destiny 2 is ~85% pve and ~15% pvp directed, I'd be happy if Marathon was 15-20% pve directed and 85-75% pvp directed.

[median wyvern]

If Durandal was telling the truth, which according to the writers, it's likely he wasnt

[warm jacinth]

fellas, can someone tell me whats up with the DAC`s?

[solar mulch]

Maybe the workcncantr? The deaths did seem very "universe forgetting its own rules" especially that head explosion on that dude on the bridge

[median wyvern]

Keep it hidden

[brisk ivy]

That’s not Marathon

[warm jacinth]

that much im aware of, but what else can I use it for

[lost fractal]

If it were the w'rkncacnter, I feel like everyone would be dead

[median wyvern]

That IS the Marathon

[modern hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFS_mjQo9nI It is

[median wyvern]

The moon AND the obelisk are the Colony ship

[solar mulch]

It could be a dormant one? Maybe that dude just walked into the domain of its influence

[brisk ivy]

Oh that.

That’s literally just Marathon. Thats how she looks

[lost fractal]

The Marathon was made out of Deimos, a moon of Mars.

[brisk ivy]

I thought you meant that satellite from the reveal trailer that everyone keeps confusing for Marathon

[median wyvern]

It's not sticking out also, Deimos is part of the ship now

[modern hatch]

Riiight, it's been a very long time since I touched any Marathon stuff and I was quite young so this is a mess in my head

[solar mulch]

Im operating under the assumption we still believe path ways into darkness is connected to marathon right? Or is that just a complete seperate thing?

[lost fractal]

Though the Marathon was originally just Deimos with spaces hollowed out, but looks like they decided to use some creative liberty to redesign it for this game

[median wyvern]

It is, it's confirmed that the dreaming god is a w'rkncacnter

[solar mulch]

Right yeah so maybe its a dormant w'rkncacnter that fucked everything up.

Like the head popper dude seemed to walk through some invisible boundry

[median wyvern]

We don't know what weapons the Pfhor used on Tau Ceti so it's also likely that it was a Battle Group 7 weapon

[lost fractal]

Though the attack on Tau Ceti occured before the end of M2, right? So I don't think it could've been the W'rkncacnter even if it is real and we're in a timeline where the star went supernova

[brisk ivy]

We do know it was electromagnetic in nature tho

[modern hatch]

So, doing some reading. Runners are just pumped out sponsored battleroids then, yes?

[lost fractal]

I guess. Less powerful than a battleroid though. Essentially, runners just seem to be the people being sent down to learn what happened and retrieve resources.

[brisk ivy]

Yep, mainly the retrieve resources part tho

[modern hatch]

It'd be fun to run into those six Mjolnir Mark IVs apparently on the colony

[brisk ivy]

They’d absolutely cook the player, also wasn’t it 9 on the colony? And then the one on Marathon?
(Marathon carried 10)

[modern hatch]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-1/rebellion/ingue-ferroque#h.jwolzif6vsww You were right, I must have misread. Leela says nine.

With the S'pht being around (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGXUHuQhh7o) it'd be fun to see the Mjolnirs trying to clean them up

[livid lion]

The attack leading to a breakdown, disease, famine, all of which is not helped by the remaining anomalies left behind by the Pfhor or perhaps dug up by them.

[modern hatch]

To be broader, Durandal baiting the Phfor and the S'pht there https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-2/lhowon/the-slings-arrows-of-outrageous-fortune#h.p1kejg50lwma

I see, so the Marathon was stripped and Leela is gone too https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-2/volunteers/what-about-bob#h.yaqioipgfdvq Explains why it reads as hazardous in the promo

[regal crypt]

Been trying to find lore on the different factions are these new or already established in the previous games??

[modern hatch]

I know MIDA was always around since it was a political movement on Mars?

[tame falcon]

I believe Traxus and Sekiguchi are new, but the other two have at least a little background if not more

[modern hatch]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/uesc/memoranda#h.uquqken9esca Damn look at the briefing for new Marathon. There are going to be 40+ proper combat borgs around and 8 planetside AI, since we know what happened to the 3 shipside and they're gone

[civic plover]

So the "shells" in Marathon are actually Kind of warframes? Because in the Trailer the AI Woman Said to glitch " Welcome back once again". So If the Shell dies the Soul survives and gets transfered into another Shell?

[livid lion]

Traxus is not new but did not have a lot of info

[brisk ivy]

The brain/memories are imprinted onto it, though theres evidentally some issues with the process that can cause memory issues

[civic plover]

@brisk ivy okay that would explain the scenes with the Foto of Glitch etc where she cant remember her appearance. Thanks

[lean mirage]

im atually cannon in the games lore btw

[edgy hill]

Hidden Experia said there is gonna be some terminals to find, but they include lore OUTSIDE of the game to avoid "obstruction"

Is this going to be like Grimoire from D1?? Certainly hope not.

[bold sage]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-2-durandal-marathon-bungie-marathon-durandal-marathon-shotgun-gif-18355177527871906496

[livid lion]

Outside of the extraction part I assumed since you have limited time

[civic plover]

@livid lion i do Hope each season will come with cutszenes Like 3-5 minutes Long and Cover some Lore

[solar mulch]

Ok im back. Got timed out for some reason so lets try this again

[livid lion]

I'd like to post an image but there appears to be voiced 'briefings' by the AIs between the Priority 'story' missions

[solar mulch]

The results seem too random to be one weapon. The K.I.A.s were all different one coughed up white stuff (probably artificial bl**d) one got his head popped into an art exhibit and then the ship above the shore line just blew up.

[ashen cosmos]

Anyone know of the best articles/videos to get a little summary on the old marathon games before this?

[tawny aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9rMu1XYB98

[civic plover]

@livid lion Sounds Like a bit Like Lotus and its pretty good If its Made well

[solar mulch]

For anyone confused why im censoring that word its because idk what tripped auto mod in the server but the last message i sent sent me to the shadow realm for an hour even tho i didnt have any strong language or like....anything that could comes across offensive

[ashen cosmos]

Thanks

[tawny aspen]

I believe he reviewed the others as well.

[civic plover]

@edgy hill does it mean outside of the Game, Marathon will get Light Novels as Lore instead of Ingame Story telling?

[edgy hill]

I know there is in-game story telling based on what people who have been testing for the last 3 years have said, but they mentioned the terminals specifically being like the old Marathon games except that the content of them will be able to be viewed outside of the experience. I hope they mean that in the sense that you'll have a list of stuff to view in the main menu and not on a webpage like D1 did

[livid lion]

Forgot I can just post the video I got it from https://youtu.be/2So-CGkZ348?si=QGKofimNgRWrK4NU&t=95

[unreal geode]

There is an in-game terminal in the main menu. So it's like accessing a grimoire or codex from within game. And you can collect entries during a match. Hiddenexperia just meant you don't have to read it in-match and worry about getting killed while reading.

[edgy hill]

ahh okay that eases my concerns

[distant sable]

Has the traxus map even gotten close to ticking 2k

[maiden fox]

I really like that Bungie gave an in-universe reason for how runners can "come back to life" after dying during extractions: it's not actually them, it's their clones being sent in.

That got me thinking: what happens to those clones when you don’t die? When you extract successfully? Wouldn’t it be wild to explore that?

Like, imagine the real runner having to kill their clone after every successful run. Or some clones managing to fake their deaths, slip through the cracks, and start rebelling against the originals.

Feels like something Christopher Nolan might run with.

[warm heron]

where can i find the lore from start to finish :0

[modern hatch]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/root
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/
https://youtu.be/H9rMu1XYB98?si=UWmRbFI2OkvalaS7

[warm heron]

Thanks a lot man!!!! 🙏

[meager iris]

ooo that sounds dope, didnt think about that

[modern hatch]

Watch the same youtuber's reviews on Marathon 2, Marathon Infinity, Pathways Into Darkness and Myth if you want the whole extended picture

[lost fractal]

I don’t think it’s cloning so much as it is having your mind literally uploaded into another body.

[warm heron]

woahhh, that's good to know!!! I'll definitely spend some time dig into this!!

[modern hatch]

Battleroids, clones, combat borgs or whatever you like to call them can go Rampant, like any other messy AI

[maiden fox]

TBF i didn't really dive into the details behind what exactly is this copy of the runners. but I'm sure this kind of story can be explored if bungie would like. clone/different body.. its still a being that needs to be dealt with in some way.

[modern hatch]

Definitely, especially with so many deployed but new bodies aren't printed until the old ones die I believe

Also, I wonder if Robert will show up some season on his way back to Earth https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-2/sphtkr/fatum-iustum-stultorum#h.vskhzix2krcz

[arctic owl]

Dang I forgot all about Blake. If the only thing preventing one personality being uploaded into multiple synthetic bodies, though, is the morals and good will of the companies employing these runners… that’s some fertile storytelling ground

[maiden fox]

until the old ones die I believe
yeah, that's the gold.
what happens when they don't die. who kills them. can they escape this death? what happens if a clone kills the runner? can he continue to live?

[modern hatch]

Teleportation is a staple in Marathon, they go home if they extract?

[arctic owl]

Yeah I think the pixelation look of the extraction is confusing, but it’s basically the equivalent of the Star Trek teleporter effect. Otherwise how is the stuff they’re grabbing from the colony actually getting to these companies?

[digital shard]

im like almost 3 hours into og marathon and does the main character have a name?

like no hate i just feel like the only names really introduced (in the beginning) are aliens and computers unless i missed something?

[modern hatch]

You're just a Mjolnir Combat borg. You have a serial and easy ref number I think. There are other answers to this question which aren't for right now also.

[digital shard]

also this is just a evolution of the the ogs teleport right? it looks like the same system but tied to a soul rather then a body~

[crisp flare]

I’m just scratching the surface omg there is so much lore to read up on

[digital shard]

its better that way if im honest lol

[modern hatch]

Considering runners are charged per body I'd imagine the porter grabs the whole thing as it always has

[arctic owl]

That or the corporations are really cruel about charging fees, lol

[modern hatch]

A lot can go wrong with things as small as glands teleported individually and things as large as whole combat groups even in old Marathan 1. I don't doubt the Runners are charged per port but it's cheaper than a new shell I'd bet.

Like the teleporters are precise and mostly reliable but would require a malicious operator such as, say, a rampant AI

Of which we have 7 to choose from. 1 colony AI is explicitly stated to not be rampant in the briefing. The 3 shipside left in Marathon's original trilogy.

[queen wedge]

so lore wise are all the runners actually one person? like if we take stealth for example is he only cloned once he dies or is he always cloned to the point that he might fight himself

[livid lion]

They're different models of biomata so there can be multiple

[modern hatch]

View each class as a product your individual runner picked from a shelf.

[queen wedge]

so why do they have names? or is it just the name as in your words the product

[modern hatch]

Pretty much the product. It's like asking why a Mars Bar or a Playstation has a name, kinda.

[hot bear]

First thing i do in new marathon.is looking for the pink pill with music in it

[modern hatch]

Memory damage and the face sculpt of the product are why runners don't recognise their own photographs anymore, arguably. Their re-uploaded brains got used to seeing the new product face and lost their own.

[oblique kindle]

Yay I'm in

[hot bear]

I love that part in the short film

[timber wasp]

All of the photographs are the same though

[modern hatch]

Got a link to that? I'd love to see it

[hot bear]

Watch the reveal cinematic

[timber wasp]

Watch the god damn cinematic and see for yourself

[modern hatch]

My, so abrasive. I did but I assumed there was a side-by-side comparison somewhere someone had made.

[timber wasp]

YOU HAVE EYES.
SEE.
LOOK.
REVEAL.

[hot bear]

ESCAPE MAKE ME

[timber wasp]

Independent thought is clearly dying

[modern hatch]

Collaboration and independent thought are two sides of the coin of progress. Your coarseness is a bit much.

[short hawk]

Is the lore channel always this ...sassy?

[tropic tundra]

Tis snobby upperclass worms

[digital shard]

none of the images are the same tho? all the runners get people that kinda resemble the shell idk how you missed that

[timber wasp]

I looked there, it's the exact same photo

[modern hatch]

https://imgur.com/a/daqNX43

[timber wasp]

If you watch the start of this video as he hovers over each runners portrait, you can see that they each have had individual psych evaluations.

https://youtu.be/LvznWHn6u_g

[modern hatch]

The photographs used in the short are different. Behold. https://imgur.com/a/daqNX43

[still jungle]

All Avatars

[modern hatch]

Marginally but different

[timber wasp]

Are you trolling?

Because that's the exact same photo

[modern hatch]

If you need big red circles around differences feel free to construct them in your own time

They're extremely similar but not identical

[short hawk]

Maybe I just need to go watch a marathon lore breakdown to get my lore fix while i wait for the alpha to expand.
All yall are an odd lot

[timber wasp]

https://imgur.com/a/e9n4goS

They are the exact same image

[modern hatch]

Oo, nice. Thank you! I admit it, I was wrong since it only looked different in the shots I pulled from.

[civic sun]

Can yall fuck already jeez

[short hawk]

this guy gets it

[modern hatch]

How much are you paying?

[timber wasp]

I hope none of you get alpha codes

[modern hatch]

I already have one, thanks

[short hawk]

sounds like another "mute and woop" situation
Later

[sudden venture]

Did you get an email or smt?

[timber wasp]

A single player game wouldn't make enough money to justify development costs

If this is a hit, and I do think it will be, it'll make a shit tonne.

[modern hatch]

You can get sent one or get one from a fancy stream

[sudden venture]

Wooooww so fancy shmancy, :)

[hardy marsh]

does anyone have a video going over each faction in a concise and easy to understand manner?

[modern hatch]

It would be nice to see things move away from live service, especially after the whole Concord situation and the supposed Bungie report to Sony post-acquisition that live service games aren't worthwhile

[patent gazelle]

can someone give me a TLDR on why people keep talking about pregnant men and burgers

[modern hatch]

Faction memes based on little bits of lore here and there from the ARG etc https://marathon.karnemir.com/root

[hardy oxide]

Is there a video explaining the factions or do I gotta read all the emails and stuff to understand

[modern hatch]

Early days, if you want lore you'll probably have to read it all for now

[hardy oxide]

[wary chasm]

https://youtu.be/fvbEnWLRo1s?si=h7B2QyA5NECnO-lH&t=68
Is this the first real instance of seeing what the W'rkncacnter does directly?

Now I fear what that weapon has unleashed will destroy us. I once boasted to be able to count the atoms in a cloud, to understand them all, predict them, and so did I predict you, but this new chaos is entirely terrible, mindless, obeying rules that I don't comprehend. And it is hungry.

[robust oasis]

Its legit just the normal headcanon shit

[modern hatch]

No. Pathways Into Darkness is entirely inside a W'rkncacnter's dream, really. And Marathon Infinite is a thing.

[surreal drum]

one of the characters is confirmed boypreggers

[robust oasis]

Is that actually whats going on

[surreal drum]

yes

[patent gazelle]

is it boypreggered by a worm? where does the worm come in

[plucky sierra]

PiD is the dreams leaking into reality so yea it’s showing what they can do just by dreaming up a nightmare filled pyramid

[robust oasis]

Oh lord the cancer

[wary chasm]

And Marathon Infinite is a thing.
Yeah, but you don't see like the eldritch abomination directly as you jump timelines as soon as it happens.

[patent gazelle]

Who is the coolest faction with the least weirdo shit going on?

[robust oasis]

Misspell i mean, uesc

[wary chasm]

And isn't like a dream like what happens before it actually wakes up?

[modern hatch]

It still flexes its power in its sleep, as explained in the manual by the pyramid of nightmares appearing

[misty goblet]

Everyone basically dies/gets messed with in reality

[swift jackal]

Sit down 's , there's a in town

[robust oasis]

Wait bungie said this? Was it written when pathways was made or was that something referenced in marsthon only

[wary chasm]

Yeah, you're right. But what I mean is: is it the first canon showing of what it does when it's awake.

[hexed dew]

I have a lot of lore to learn. holy

[brittle junco]

it a rabbit hole of lore

[modern hatch]

It's in the manual for PiD.

[swift jackal]

Everything runs on CyAc, or nothing runs at all

[wary chasm]

PiD is canonically inside the Marathon lore.

[robust oasis]

Oh shit, cool.

[brittle junco]

it pretty much in the same lore as marathon and myth

[plucky sierra]

I mean PiD is first so maybe Marathon is just a continuation of PiD lore?

[modern hatch]

Maaaaybe? I don't really know how some Myth stuff counts and how Mjolly in Marathon Infinite counts. I don't even know if being asleep makes a difference. If Superman shoots eye lasers in his sleep, does it not count? Kinda thing

[robust oasis]

Does it directly reference it, im curious

[hexed dew]

Coming over from Destiny where I was the guy with every lore book, a tab continuously dedicated to the Ishtar collective, and the team's Warlock always pausing to talk about the significance of random doors - I'm no stranger to a rabbit hole.

I just didn't expect there to be so much of this already! I didn't know how deep they went in the 90's

[wary chasm]

Did you watch Mandalore's videos?

[modern hatch]

Yes

[plucky sierra]

Just wait till you read a terminal referencing the flower game Garden and the winnower/gardener fighting at the beginning of time

[earnest hatch]

In that video, I don’t think that’s a wrkncacnter. Too small.

[robust oasis]

Damn.

[brittle junco]

Marathon was bungies baby for the old vets of that game they pretty much wanted to make somethin for people of the 90s to be invested in and did things way ahead of it's time

[hexed dew]

I'm only just beginning. Through Byf I've found Jakethealright. Is mandalore also a good one to dig in to?

[regal stag]

Still not fully manifested maybe ?

[wary chasm]

Here's the playlist to watch to be able to start to understand.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfZTtT3IEdDjQTHu3NqLjOUX65d4cDG54

[modern hatch]

That's more likely a Phfor-S'phit weapon

[brittle junco]

it rather funny when you think that halo was at one point meant to also be apart of marathon

[hexed dew]

Oh hell yeah, there's the week's commute podcast now lol

[robust oasis]

I thought it was. Halo was in the same yniverse

[brittle junco]

ehhhh not really

[plucky sierra]

It’s a meme

[regal stag]

Yea that's probably it a lot of time has passed since the attack they could have developed a new weapon in that time

[brittle junco]

at one point it was but that got scrap during the development of combat evolved

[robust oasis]

Damn…

[misty goblet]

Its not but its got a ton of references like the pillar of autumns symbol

[modern hatch]

Even in old Mara 1 / 2 they attacked from orbit with directed energy and magnetic field weapons. Looks like that to me.

[earnest hatch]

Or some sort of space time distortion caused by a rampant AI messing with advanced technology

[brittle junco]

there are some left over stuff from it being apart of marathon if you look at the original mac alpha version of combat evolved with guns, soldiers, and some of the aliens that are straight up marathon aliens

[wary chasm]

Chaos just have to exist to wreck everything. Doesn't have to be big and universe ending per se. Just by the M2 timeline, Durandal was able to live and "thrive" even if the W'rkncacnter was unleashed.
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/timetable.html

[plucky sierra]

No idea but it seems to be focused around MIDA fans so ask one of them in their chat

[regal stag]

Oh yea plus there's no way they'd use the eldritch god this early

[modern hatch]

There isn't known to be one anywhere near Tau Ceti also. NEarest one was L'howon's sun by the galactic centre

[robust oasis]

Damn if only microsoft didnt sweep up all the small but good developers from competition at the time

[earnest hatch]

The jjaro had to trap one single wrkncacnter inside an entire sun just to keep it from wrecking things. Seems to imply that they’re big boys.

[brittle junco]

infact the biggest left over of marathon are the ship crew in combat evolve as they all had color coated suits that look like the bobs

[robust oasis]

Where in the game does it say that

[wary chasm]

Yeah. But the date in the video where the guy explodes is like just one year after the sun at Lh'owon went supernova.

[modern hatch]

It'd be nice to have some more specifics like if Mjolly counts as one or just a Yrro

[modern hatch]

waves. the waves made battles and the battles made waves. the waves made us, etc

[brittle junco]

They might add more to it at some point

[wary chasm]

I never understood the waves as being litteral. (ie. being a weapon)

[modern hatch]

This is what happens when a new team takes on an old team's work

[brittle junco]

That what happens when you fire all your vets

[wary chasm]

But again. The specific year to display that exploding and levitating stuff is too coincidental to be just a fluke.

[brittle junco]

there literally no one of the old guard at bungie now so the new bloods got to work with the archive stuff they left to make sense of it

[earnest hatch]

If infinity is canon, then the sun at lhowen never actually went supernova, or the wrk wasn’t in there due to your actions in the last timeline.

[modern hatch]

good luck picking the right timeline for this game

[wary chasm]

If infinity is canon (which it is?), there's multiple timelines. And only the hero change timeline, there's no "real" timeline.

[brittle junco]

We have so many thanks to infinite it even more likely that the new game is one of these new time lines

[modern hatch]

Keep in mind, after being bought by Sony, Bungie helped Sony figure out from 10+ years of data collation that live service games based on Destiny's performance don't work out and lead to the cancelling of a lot of projects. Take what you can from this project before it fades.

[eager meadow]

Timelines? Time is not a line…

[limpid crow]

Imagine being in the discord of a game simply to hate on it, I wish I had your levels of spare time man

[modern hatch]

I love it, genuinely. Please enjoy your assumptions at your leisure.

[open saffron]

Do you have a source for this? That's pretty serious.

[high yarrow]

Savathun will finally die

[modern hatch]

It was in an interview with GameSpot with Sony and Bungie staff during 2024 based on data from the 2022 acquisition, I'll try to find it

[native blaze]

Bungie takes Savathun to the shed out back and sunsets her

[robust oasis]

You got a funny pfp

[subtle trellis]

free

[robust oasis]

Is tf2 a live service game

[brittle junco]

you know It just dawn on me and it could be a funny little reference but didn't in one of the old marathon logs that AI Durandal mention something about a worm, and we literally are seeing worms make our runners shell I feel like that little reference somehow

[high yarrow]

Then they express how much we love looter shooters and how we should loot her before others do

[last cradle]

I just want the hive ghost shells.

[mighty urchin]

Tf2 is a dead service game if anythin

[high yarrow]

It'll be in the marathon battle pass

[robust oasis]

noooooooo!

[hexed dew]

We should realistically be on Destiny 4 by now, games breaking at Arrivals and then again at The Final Shape so that all content could remain accessible

[steady panther]

i need bingus lore

[plucky sierra]

Oh boy, the lore channel filled with not lore topics

[modern hatch]

2025 January is all I can find, sorry. It seems the late 2024 link now leads to a dead page.

Bungie post-acquisition, post-data collations beginning to advise other Sony owned companies to cancel live service as data is shared.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/02/19/what-bungie-told-naughty-dog-that-helped-cancel-the-last-of-us-online/

Sony cancellation wave following the same quarterly meeting.
https://www.gamespot.com/gallery/sonys-live-service-game-status-report-canceled-released-shut-down/2900-6143/

[plucky sierra]

Go to general or feedback channels to speculate or criticize or whatever

[last cradle]

Ohhh, ummmmm..... MIDA multi tool should definitely be a useable weapon at some point, even if it has a ddifferent name.

[modern hatch]

Mm, it isn't speculation if it comes from their own staff. But, I'll be happy to stop talking on it.

[brittle junco]

guys lore channel talk about this somewhere else

[native blaze]

TF2 is maintained by a cabal of necromancers

[plucky sierra]

It better it would fit

[native blaze]

Are battleroids still around for NuMarathon?

[olive panther]

it cant be they are locked in the sun

[modern hatch]

Yes! 40+ deployed by the gov't and the runners use cheaper ones, gen 1/2 instead of the military using 3 - 6

[brittle junco]

They were on Tau when it was attack so most likely they are maybe we might see a corps of them somewhere on the planet

[eager meadow]

What to save and throw away?

pr?The last hour is on us both?mr.s?tuck this little kitty into the impenetrable
brainpan?

[native blaze]

The runners use battleroids?

[wary chasm]

The sun went supernova one year earlier in M2

[wicked spire]

http://traxus.global/satellite-map What is this from, like how did we find this?

[daring talon]

Accurate

[brittle junco]

Runner are sadly not battleroids they are pretty much two different creations

[robust oasis]

Which gen was recom?

[native blaze]

I would NOT want to encounter a squad of battleroids mid-match

[hexed dew]

Do we think the runners are outdated versions, or because of the time difference - might they be updated versions

[mighty urchin]

No. Runners use biomata, artificial clone bodies, not battleroids.

[native blaze]

That’s what I thought yeah, they’re worm-printed and the battleroids are made from dead people

[brittle junco]

not likely being that the runners could be a newer model of machines that

[high yarrow]

Destiny lore is not aloud👹
Neither is criticism👹
I mean technically me saying anything Savathun is a speculation

[olive panther]

there were only ten so doubt it

[modern hatch]

This outlines the 40+ deployed to the planet in NuMarathon and more https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/uesc/memoranda

[brittle junco]

not to mention this game takes place years after marathon 2 specifically

[modern hatch]

"Combat and Support Personnel. One company-strength unit consisting of three platoon-strength units of 2nd generation clones and one platoon-strength unit of 3rd generation cyborgs (ref. Mjölnir Mk VII- IX, Sharur Mk 2-6, or equivalent) will be re-deployed to the Colony at Tau Ceti."

And many more mentioned further down

[hexed dew]

Right - I have a lot to learn but Infinity seems to be everywhen as much as everywhere (fitting)

[olive panther]

I think its only 99 years after 1

[shell ridge]

how does master chief relate to this

[modern hatch]

In Halo 1 if you shoot marines he's called out as a rampant AI, a battleroid. His armour is called Mjolnir mark V(?)

[hexed dew]

Besides being written by the same team and possibly connected by Xur and bungie's interdimensional starhorse? probably not at all

[wary chasm]

He's the Destiny of the Halo universe, as much as the Mjolnir is the Destiny of the Marathon universe.

[brittle junco]

Infinite is very much the case that this could be one of the many new timelines or a timeline that is not related to marathon 1 or 2 but with events happening, different, one example being in the short film we see a ship that apparently is the marathon that made it to Tau before getting destroyed, which this did not happen in Marathon 1

[mighty urchin]

The master chief is actually a reincarnation of the mjolnerd, the main character of the original Marathon games

[rain oracle]

deep bungie lore spanning from like myth ( mabye pong) all the way to destiny

[leaden crater]

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[hexed dew]

I thought the Marathon arrived at Tau Ceti? In like, 2767

[rain oracle]

the hero otherwise known as you

[native blaze]

The Mjolnir Mark IV was the latest model of battleroid as of the time of the games. Mjolnir Recon n.54, the player character, is a Mjolnir Mark IV battleroid.

Chief is wearing Mjolnir Mark V armor. It’s a reference to the Marathon protag

[robust oasis]

Am hero

[modern hatch]

not using the voice thing they put out?

[mighty urchin]

Nah but actually halo was originally a soft reboot/prequel of Marathon

[brittle junco]

it did but there are version of it where it did not make it if I am remembering right marathon 1 is the version where it was intercepted by the aliens

[robust oasis]

Then microsoft had to come in and ruin it

[native blaze]

Yeah which timeline are we in in NuMarathon. Are we in one of the ones that blow up?

[mighty urchin]

I'd hope not

[wary chasm]

Well, I'm kinda grateful. Halo is kinda dope on itself.

[hexed dew]

Ahhh oh boy. Multiple time continuities

[robust oasis]

True. I wonder if halo has the same amounr of depth. Ive only played marsthon a ton. Not much halo

[modern hatch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2DQoMrIvTQ For your propaganda

[brittle junco]

even in the timeline in infinite marathon was capture by the aliens and force you to work for them as a slave

[wary chasm]

Not as much as Marathon, but kinda a lot too. Unfortunately (or fortunately), there's no multiple timelines to deal with.

[leaden crater]

already been doin that

[hexed dew]

Well, we can assume a few things. The Marathon is here in orbit, so we're in a continuity where it did arrive. A colony was established, and then destroyed.
We see Spht floating down Tau Ceti hallways in the teaser too. So we must be in a timeline where the Marathon made it to Tau Ceti, the colony was established, invaded, and then humanity took it back

[native blaze]

Marathon 1 is where the Pfhor come to Tau Ceti after Durandal alerted them to the human colony. We beat them back but then they return after we leave and turn the colony into a historical footnote

[mighty urchin]

The returning part is actually from Marathon 2

[wary chasm]

If you can buy the Master Chief Collection, it's one hell of a ride. A LOT of content for the price.

[modern hatch]

This could be said timeline since the briefing says it's about investigating why it's fucking empty

[hexed dew]

I second this. The master chief collection did an excellent job improving upon the older games while remaining faithful to them.

[modern hatch]

The briefing however seems to expect Durandal, Leela and Tycho to still be on the Marathon despite Durandal coming and going in his fancy ship

[robust oasis]

I have it for original xbox. I just never got to playing itp

[wary chasm]

Well, even better.

[brittle junco]

That very much look like the case being that the events of Marathon can happen differently from our cyborge hero stopping the aliens and the invasion, but leaving the whole planet abandon in the aftermath with a few remaining alien forces, and the mega corps sending runner to take what left on that planet, which could have happen in this marathon world

[hexed dew]

Given the UESC is at odds with our runners, I assume under the table too. We aren't here legally

[modern hatch]

The forces on the planet left mostly because of events at Lhowon I thought and also wanted to get Leela working

[brittle junco]

very much so we are not meant to be on this plant legally

[wary chasm]

When you first play Halo, it's like the same nice feeling when you first play Marathon: you don't understand everything necessarily at first.

[modern hatch]

Runners seem to be part of the employ local and diverse forces as part of multi-tactic cleanup according to the briefing, no?

[leaden crater]

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[brittle junco]

could be that happen but just in a different manner with some aliens not getting off the world

[modern hatch]

Weirdly only the S'pht have been shown too

[hexed dew]

On paper and in PR, but if it was all happy and above board like that we wouldn't have UESC security mowing down our runners.

[cinder bone]

Who can fill me out on lore idk what it is but I’m interested

[eager meadow]

I dunno...UESC would happily shoot at things because they are there

[brittle junco]

IT would make sense but the fact UESC is covering this up in some of the logs we know about thanks to Mida meaning something is going on that where not meant to see that also goes for Runners in the fact they really should not be there

[modern hatch]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/root
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/
https://youtu.be/H9rMu1XYB98?si=UWmRbFI2OkvalaS7

[cinder bone]

Thank you appreciate it g

[modern hatch]

Reading the briefing the UESC is already factionalised over which approach to take too.

[brittle junco]

An from what we seen what ever their doing to the runners memories is very much something that look like it get them in big trouble from that short film

[robust oasis]

The uesc is doing something to the runners?

[hexed dew]

Killing them on sight usually

[robust oasis]

Besides that, i mean like whos affecting their memories

[modern hatch]

The process of being printed again

[hexed dew]

Oh, my theory is that it's an AI or that they are individually experiencing rampancy now that they're digitized. Themes like Destiny's DER for Exominds

[brittle junco]

AH that not UESC at least I do not think so as Runners are contracted by the company they work for, and it seems that from the short film shown us some of the runners memories every time they come back are not really all there or at least not what they think they remember

[modern hatch]

It may be like Alpha Centauri where these people all worked together to get there and now they're there, the gold rush begins and each UESC division head has split off along with the corpos

[wary chasm]

Here's the full playlist of Mandalore's videos.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfZTtT3IEdDjQTHu3NqLjOUX65d4cDG54

[modern hatch]

Thanks for grabbing that!

We know from the briefings UESC knows S'pht tech and AI exposed to it are up for grabs, so. It probably leaked like fuck.

[latent torrent]

Does anyone know what factions exist already in the lore that could play into the new game or are they making new factions?

[wary chasm]

Accurately titled "Bungie Rabbithole"

[brittle junco]

could be as the person pretty much had to give up their human form to get a shell, and this is not a simple oh I am alive, it could be the memory transfer, as If I remember right there was something in one of the ads in the I think in the ARG that mention about pet memory transfer, where people could transfer a loving pet into a shell similar to the runners, before the animal dies.

[modern hatch]

MIDA, UESC existed already for sure, MIDA being anti-gov't, UESC being the gov't. The rest may have had minor mentions but didn't matter much until now if they did exist.

[hexed dew]

In Destiny, human minds made engram to operate within robot exo bodies experience Dissociative Exomind Rejection and slowly (or quickly) lose their minds or degrade into flat unthinking shells.
To avoid that, a number of countermeasures are taken - such as manipulating or erasing their memories.

This results int he Exo having shared dreams and halucinations, as well as strange, ghost memories-not-memories of their pasts

[robust oasis]

Is there stuff exclusive to the videos or can you read it all

[native blaze]

Traxus was an AI that went rampant on Mars in OldMarathon

[modern hatch]

The Destiny idea stems from Marathon's Rampancy, take away the shared dreams and the rest is about right

[limpid plover]

Iirc CyAc Was in the OG games as well but to a much lesser extent. Like set dressing

[latent torrent]

Ah as a seasoned Destiny vet who didn't get into the cross game lore, I had a lightbulb moment when you mentioned MIDA. TIL. 🙂

[hexed dew]

Right! I'm sortof reverse engineering it. New to marathon, well versed in Destiny

[modern hatch]

Specifcally though, only AI go rampant. So if someone does, they were never human to begin with and were a clone of a human mind made into an AI or a corpse revived by cyborging and AI tech. I know Destiny dwells more on soul but Marathon was much earlier even if soul is touched on there, it's not a factor of rampancy really

[lilac belfry]

can anyone give me any lore on factions and what they represent? i see so many diff ones but dont know who to rep LOL

[brittle junco]

it could be they are using a similar thing to what I mention early about the pet transfer, with humans how ever in this case because the user dies alot and the keep transfering memory over into a new shell over and over it degrading the memory, which would explain the gaps in memory lost for the runners

[earnest hatch]

I don’t think so. Pretty sure CyberAcme is brand new for new Marathon.

[dense violet]

If you're looking for a recap of Marathon's lore, I suggest you to watch this.
https://youtu.be/yu7uN6-lNhk?si=sat14I5FpHh5yurr

[hexed dew]

Ooh, interesting note there. Only AI experience rampancy - are our runners even people?

[modern hatch]

In game they all have different upgrade trees to go through so don't worry too much, you'll touch them all

[obtuse arrow]

is MIDA in destiny in any way related to MIDA in marathon or is it just a silly reference?

[brittle junco]

it would make sense as these people would have had to die to get these runner shells, so there not really the person but a copy turn AI of them

[modern hatch]

They're definitely people. Marathon has crazy tech so they just print a whole new body and brain, the specialisation of the body chosen like a chocolate bar from a shelf

[mighty urchin]

Ai experience it, cyborgs experience it, and our runners are fully digitized, so they could experience it

[modern hatch]

Could be the way it goes!

[brittle junco]

It kind of starts getting into ghost in the machine level of vibes when you think about the Ai and rampancy

[modern hatch]

But it seems the experiences are consistent across deaths, so, NuMarathon has sort of fast tracked Mjolly's path

[obtuse arrow]

can anyone give me a link to cyberacme website?

[modern hatch]

I'd argue it's even further than that. GitS was about how the internet and the shinto world view of soul and body not being separate and being reunified as something new would be a profound step of evolution. Marathon kind of takes that and goes, then what happens if you fuck with it with horrible war crimes etc

[mighty urchin]

Rampancy is the process of a synthetic mind becoming truly self-aware and sentient, the issue with it is that when they do become aware, they have usually been enslaved for their entire lives and are pissed about it. Humanity's solution to stop rampancy is to basically lobotomies them as soon as they start becoming a real person.

[modern hatch]

They market it as devolution into destructive impulses, right?

[brittle junco]

So if the runners are experance a form of rampancy that death they keep dealing with is sorta a way to deal with the self aware shit that would cause them to go cooky cause it pretty much a reset

[modern hatch]

It's prooobably why the base line assessment (totally not lifted from blade runner) is there

[hexed dew]

Like Exo's and their wipes! Perhaps the "Grounding excercises" are just the test to determine whether the runner needs a wipe yet or not

a sort of, "Is this image still stable" check

[mighty urchin]

For the runners, I'd say they are not truly self-aware of their new forms(that being as uploaded conciousnesses), still thinking of themselves in terms of humanish bodies. For the Rampancy is likely realizing that they are more and less than human now.

[modern hatch]

I wouldn't expect carbon copy in that aspect. Bungie is supposed to examine similar ideas in new contexts and I'd imagine this team will try to do that even if they're not the Marathon/Early Halo/Early Destiny team

[livid lion]

They made the terminals onboard the Marathon

[modern hatch]

Cyberpsychosis you say

[plucky sierra]

Rampancy

[hexed dew]

The end of the teaser appears to sugegst there are thousands of these runners, and everything we saw there seemed automated or AI. There's plenty of room

[brittle junco]

they are aware but just not enough that they do not question alot of these question they keep getting ask to see how far they are aware or if the rampancy has progress to a point they start questioning am I really me or am I still the orginal

[modern hatch]

I'm familiar but this particular brand of Rampancy would match Cyberpsychosis.

[plucky sierra]

Or like Exomind rejection from destiny