📚marathon-lore-discussion

[final hull]

👀

[feral jacinth]

👀

[grave wren]

oh wow

[wicked isle]

interesting

[obsidian hemlock]

[tacit blaze]

lore

[tardy axle]

Oh neat!

[spring field]

[past wigeon]

:0

[quartz fulcrum]

thank you based bungie

[manic charm]

[jade turret]

[patent bramble]

[final hull]

probably added this cuz #new-noise was becoming general

[haughty sapphire]

yooo

[terse crown]

[lethal comet]

17th

[night skiff]

OwO

[frank haven]

[lone bone]

[cobalt pollen]

oh hello

[wintry drum]

Yoo

[grand lodge]

[twin tundra]

ooooooooohhhh

[tepid creek]

new marathon lore just dropped: it is set after the black mesa incident

[untold egret]

NEW CHANNELS

[haughty sapphire]

[opaque finch]

👀

[rose salmon]

First lore suggestion: the worms live inside of us and crawl around in our tummies

[supple grove]

LORE DROP

[patent bramble]

i know nothing about the original games besides the "escape will make me god" line. regardless i cant get over that line its so cool

[lethal comet]

first discussion is UESC is stupid

[dawn fjord]

OHH SHIT

[glad kelp]

@obsidian hemlock Have any cool never-before-seen concept art for us to discuss regarding lore building? I'm desperate.

[frank haven]

how can I find out more abt marathon lore I don’t know anything

[lethal comet]

youtube videos are good to start

[broken jay]

LORE

[coral lagoon]

that's not lore, that's real life

[haughty sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZMQYZHoI4&t=977s&ab_channel=MynameisByf

[dull moss]

BYF WHERE YOU AT

[lethal turtle]

we are pro-MIDA

[sly mural]

what lore

[swift junco]

https://youtu.be/yu7uN6-lNhk

[sly mural]

quick with it

[haughty sapphire]

The planetary politics reminds me of The Expanse

[lone sedge]

witness me

[rose salmon]

I want little worm drones repairing my insides and when they do good I can eat little treats for them to crawl around and feast on in my tum tum

[simple garden]

i'll go first: is kaali

[pallid salmon]

Between the two mentioned and this series, I’m finally keeping it straight in my head lol

https://youtu.be/f9H1fMIFGyc?si=5SA6eNWi-0vWjbc2

[shut hearth]

ok what

[haughty sapphire]

HiddenXperias vids are also goated

[ornate sky]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/

[iron zinc]

>

[hollow hemlock]

[pallid salmon]

#Team

[twin tundra]

pin this mods

[broken jay]

I can’t wait to learn more in depth lore about the pink car

[elfin mortar]

What the heck

[frigid cipher]

[broken roost]

lol gen chat is getting flooded with the bot commands

[tawdry surge]

how big of a role do you think Marton will play in the lore?

[sacred crypt]

NuCaloric ceo

[tawdry surge]

hmmm good take

[rain mesa]

< this is the only lore i care about

[analog mica]

Bernard Strauss

[leaden harness]

so whats the lore for this lil fur ball

[rose salmon]

Hear me out, I want my character’s body to be a terrarium to a variety of worm species that live off my insides. They can give me little buffs depending on the grub I eat

[viral lagoon]

You mean plastic ball

[coarse fog]

man i hope the arg stuff we've seen won't be that intense in-game, i really want to "attempt" at solving the puzzles they have planned for the maps without having to crack open a second monitor and search up cryptographic techniques 😭

[tawdry surge]

Hear me out guys Marton could be genetically modified Bernard Strauss

[viral lagoon]

Oh wassup vslvsk fancy seeing you here

[lone sedge]

what im guesing is that hes either just stylized and just a cat
or an artifical life form meant as a pet
but my favourite theory is that hes an artificial life form meant as pest control on the planet

but idk much about the universes lore so far so i might be wrong

[viral lagoon]

You’re right but wrong at the same time. The cat is actually a Sekiguchi F.I.D.O pet biomata that is actually a real cats consciousness transferred into the frame so a family wouldn’t lose their cat

[fickle plume]

This is my home now

[lethal comet]

no

[lone sedge]

that makes sense; thanks!

[broken roost]

Yeah it was an experiment if I remember correctly

[viral lagoon]

No problemo my friend

[wintry drum]

So like in the older games is there any mentions of the mental health side effects runners go through? They have a lot of this stuff in destiny with exos so it would be cool so have some of that in marathon too.

[ember venture]

gib some lore to me, thanks.

[viral lagoon]

Nope runners weren’t even a thing

[grizzled bison]

A ninja role hmmm

[summer sinew]

I wanna know the WACKIEST piece of Marathon lore. Literally the most INSANE thing you know. Something that will make me want to dive into the wiki until 3am for the next week

[viral lagoon]

Well there’s literally just the entirety of marathon infinity

[wintry drum]

Considering they are what seems to just be consciousnesses shoved into artificial bodies, i would love to learn about their inner thoughts and feelings

[viral lagoon]

We only actually learned about what goes on inside a Battleroids head

[summer sinew]

Infinity might take a bit longer than 3am (nevermind infinity is a game lmao)

[wintry drum]

Gotcha, so we will have to wait to find out about pretty much anything regarding runners then

[tardy veldt]

Well then..... Marathon Infinity is free on Steam

[lone sedge]

this will probably be a really integral part of the games lore and dialouge i think i hope theyll add some new ideas onto it tho this thematic feels a bit chewed trough

[rancid spoke]

REMINDER TO EVERYONE: THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY IS FREE ON STEAM

They also have Quality of Life mods and updates to make it easier for newcomers to digest!
Huge shoutouts to the AlephOne team

[viral lagoon]

We 100% will but for now I’ll tell you the three stages of battleroid rampancy

[lone sedge]

gonna download it now seeing whats it all about

[tardy veldt]

And PLEASE... PLAY THEM

[mental mantle]

oh shit fr??

[fickle plume]

We have to keep in mind that Marathon only had three main games, and that was enough for people to still be talking about its lore 30 years later.

[summer sinew]

I mean yes, play them for sure but also share info to push people to play!

[tardy veldt]

Its also compatible with modern hardware and has UW Support thanks to Aleph One

[sudden steeple]

I just downloaded them because the ARG has got me interested in the series, on top of being a huge Halo and Destiny fan

[tardy veldt]

It was also the groundwork for nearly every story that Bungie did afterwards

[viral lagoon]

So the stages of battleroid rampancy are believed to be Rage (funny that, that is also the key to get into the uesc terminal) the second is Envy and the third is Despair

[fickle plume]

Halo is canon in Marathon

[viral lagoon]

Woah woah lets not be spreading some misinformation here that’s just a popular theory

[tardy veldt]

Unironically the Marathon Logo is used on Bungie Halo's ALOT

[rancid spoke]

Yes, it's the reclaimer sign. You could argue the other way around though, that Marathon is canon in Halo. But there's not a lot to support that unfortunately

[balmy mantle]

A lot of CE's music was pretty directly evolved from Myth II as well.

[fickle plume]

To be more precise, based on the story of Marathon Infinity, there's an unofficial possibility that Halo might be indirectly connected to the Marathon multiverse.

[summer rapids]

Considering how many times the marathon logo appears in early halo games I’d believe it

[viral lagoon]

Yes there’s a possibility but it was never outright confirmed, all though it is a fun theory I wouldn’t spread it as gospel so just be careful

[balmy mantle]

It's more accurate to say, the Bungie Multiverse is real, and is canon to Destiny (and only really Destiny) where it is called the Paraverse. The only other Bungie game canon to Marathon is Pathways into Darkness.

[wide igloo]

Really wondering how long it will take for durandal to become relevant in the lore, considering they seem to use some of his quotes through the arg and promotion, I could see him becoming plot relevant

[unique flume]

The Protagonist, the Security Officer, or Mjolnir Recon 54 is a hero reborn throughout history to aid humanity in times of great crisis
“I have been Achilles, I have been Gilgamesh, I have been called a hundred names and I will be called a thousand more before this world grows dim and cold”

[rancid spoke]

The Ozymandias poem is absolutely a nod to Durandal

[limpid remnant]

so i’m kind of confused about traxus and the website, is it a mining company in marathon as well (which would make sense for the website) or is it really just a rampant AI with a website

[viral lagoon]

Well there we go you’ve gotten it right

[fickle plume]

For everyone new to the Marathon lore: there are plenty of well-grounded fan theories that suggest a connection between all of Bungie's games, with Marathon as the central core. But they're just fun theories, don't take any of it as canon.

[rancid spoke]

Traxus = Mining and heavy machinery company
Traxus IV = AI that went rampant

Not the same

[primal surge]

Or UESC, or another AI, or a multitude of other things

[frank haven]

What kind of genre are the original games like? Boomer shooter ish?

[wide igloo]

They were labeled as “another doom clone” so yeah I guess boomer shooter is kinda right

[unique flume]

yes, they’re very doom adjacent but they do a lot different

[balmy mantle]

Think an awkward middle ground between Wolfenstein 3D and Halo. But with a text-based adventure storytelling method.

[fickle plume]

Mmmm yes

[dull ocean]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/
Hard reccomend looking through this site if you want to look at lore stuff for the original trilogy and don't want to (or can't) play them

[rancid spoke]

Fun fact about Marathon:

1. It was originally a Mac OS game!
2. It was the first shooter game to feature mouselook
3. It was the first* shooter game to feature dual wielding

*Rise of the Triad came out in the same day so this is debated

[viral lagoon]

Hamish my king

[dull ocean]

It's so far and away the BEST recourse for og marathon information

[unique flume]

not to mention rocket jumping, also tied with RoTT

[viral lagoon]

I also highly recommend Jake the alright, his videos are great and really nice to look at

[balmy mantle]

Real talk, if it wasn't for the recent ARG, I probably wouldn't have actually gotten hype for this new game though. And the main reason I'm excited is the lore. I was worried they would water down everything interesting about Marathon. And while it probably won't have the existencial, reality-shattering lovecraftian side of particularly 2 and 3... It has the Human corpo-politics down pat and I'm really looking forward to where they go with that.

[summer sinew]

A perpetually(?) reincarnated hero named Mjolnir is exactly what my brain wants to hear

[fickle plume]

One of the things that made Marathon truly unique and special was its focus on storytelling at a time when most video games didn’t take narrative seriously. And that’s exactly why, as a Marathon fan, I find myself more interested in the story of the new game than its PvP aspect.

[dull ocean]

Oh damn didn't realize there were any youtubers that had properly talked about the Marathon story

[storm solar]

code:31CAEA19-6615-4A9A-B003-C4172EE7B489

[viral lagoon]

Oh yes indeed Jake’s been doing it for the entire time new marathon was announced he never stopped even during bad times in the games timeline

[balmy mantle]

Jake's video 3 months ago on the history of Marathon was fantastic. If you're looking for a place to start, it's probably the best one without playing the games yourselves.

[coarse fog]

only thing im worried atm is how hard the puzzles will be for opening up the map

[fickle plume]

what is this?

[river root]

Same here. I sure hope so they can keep the vibes somehow.

[pallid fable]

Theres a page on bungies website that has all the terminals from the first game and I've found that more enjoyable than any of the videos

[dawn fjord]

dont worry about it

[proper imp]

here we go again jfc

[sand patrol]

[calm anvil]

oh fr where?

[fickle plume]

code:31CAEA19-6615-4A9A-B003-C4172EE7B489

[coarse fog]

i hope it wont be as intense as the arg was

[green heron]

lol

[dull ocean]

Ah okay, I played the games and spent a very very long time scouring over the forums and whatnot because I love the story of the OG marathon games

[dawn fjord]

thats not how it work 👀

[balmy mantle]

Having seen how Destiny players have done with their community puzzles, and in the hopes that the Marathon community will be as healthy as the Destiny one was at it's best. I think we will be able to solve anything Bungie throws at us.

[river root]

Yeah, I'm expecting destiny tier puzzles to do in the open world.

[lone sedge]

you gotta /contract then insert the code

[fickle plume]

I don't know what I'm doing 😂

[simple garden]

<@&1346274069263286384> yall forgot to disable commands here too 😭

[dawn fjord]

BRO NO

[sand leaf]

NARC

[summer rapids]

this mf

[tranquil wyvern]

I mean and feedback but who’s counting

[fickle plume]

oooh ist work, ¿more?

[lone sedge]

so hyped for that

[vocal python]

What does the spy accuse thing do with the bot

[supple grove]

Send your codes here

[proven pumice]

guys this is for lore

[simple garden]

nark

[dawn fjord]

send your Spy codes here

[fickle plume]

oooooh

[remote bronze]

EASC spy GET HIM

[coarse fog]

yeah thats true

[patent steppe]

An error occurred

Tracking and viewing Activity stats requires the Data+ upgrade.

[proper imp]

STOP WITH THE STATS BOT BRUH

[river root]

Don't spam this here.

[proven pumice]

calm down with the chit chat yall supposed to talk about lore

[supple grove]

Contracts are technically lore right?....

[lone sedge]

watching jake the alright rn

[pulsar nymph]

The other chats don't have the contracts bot, or any bot

[pallid fable]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/arrival.html
all the terminals from the classic marathon. At the bottom you can move to the next chapter

[dull ocean]

I'd also recommend the Mandalore videos, they aren't the most revealing lore wise but they are a lot of fun and give a good enough surface level understanding

[fickle bough]

I don’t think MIDA should be trusted.

[tranquil wyvern]

but what if they’re really cool

[lone sedge]

this may sounds stupid but who are the bad guys in the marathon universe? who are we fighting against / with

[gray parrot]

@fickle bough you're back! I missed you!!

[silent narwhal]

it's movie time!

[runic linden]

Im the good one and @fervent willow is a bad guy

[shy lion]

the pfhor bruh

[dull ocean]

The W'rkncacantor

[remote bronze]

the pfhor

[balmy mantle]

In the original games, it was aliens, and then a god. In this one, it's human corporations. 😄

[zenith acorn]

Bad Pattern Recognition

Initiate the /pattern-recognition command.
Enter X*PE (I) as the argument to the command. This is obtained by observing the server's profile picture that is actually a GIF.
You will receive an authentication code in the chat if done correctly. Copy this to your clipboard.
Initiate the /contract command.
Paste your authentication code as the argument.

Offspring of the Apollo

Initiate the /contract command.
Paste c1172313-dd5f-4d4d-bee5-6020d16870ee as the argument. This is obtained from a weapons dossier found on one of the websites.

Starting Line

Initiate the /contract command.
Paste 1613e115-c614-4448-a5cf-0e1d1e63380b as the argument.

InfilTRAITOR

Initiate the /accuse-spy command.
@magic isle is the spy. Make sure the username is embedded as the argument.
You will receive an authentication code in the chat if done correctly. Copy this to your clipboard.
Initiate the /contract command.
Paste your authentication code as the argument.

(Unknown contract name)

We found this code from the Youtube teaser description.
Initiate the /contract command.
Paste 1027ccd0-57b9-4047-9886-1b084761ffbc as the argument.

(Unknown contract name)

Go to https://escapewillmake.me/
Enable your camera.
Hold up two fingers. ✌️
You will get the code 31CAEA19-6615-4A9A-B003-C4172EE7B489
Initiate the /contract command.
Paste the code above as the argument.

[lethal star]

there still are phor in the new one...

[fervent willow]

https://tenor.com/view/the-nerve-the-audacity-gif-15654453978820320801

[lone sedge]

thanks guys

[fickle bough]

Bad comes from a place of perspective. The UESC is bad, MIDA are bad… and I expect there’s many other bad things out there too..

[dull ocean]

It looks like it's aliens AND human coorperations in this one

[lethal star]

yep thats what im saying

[balmy mantle]

Yeah, but fromt he sounds of where it's going, the main focus is on Runners fighting an endless war with eachother.

[simple garden]

So True Tom

[gray parrot]

I think leela is the only good one but she's dismantled 😭

[dull ocean]

I hope the story in this game is as interesting and borderline insane as the OG trilogy

[supple grove]

Anyone got this before? Security violation detected: Contract assigned to different operative. Unauthorized access attempt logged. Your DAC permissions remain unchanged.

[tranquil flame]

UESC is an anagram for USEC, its a tarkov reference

[balmy mantle]

Maybe not as insane as Infinity. xD

[lone sedge]

thanks

[gloomy arrow]

yo true!!

[dull ocean]

Maybe not, but I hope we get some Gherrit White type weird

[rancid spoke]

That'd be sick

[gray parrot]

@fickle bough do you think there is a reason for us to keep our Tin Foil Hat on or should we wait for further instructions?

[fickle bough]

I would check your data banks. It stands for Unified Earth Space Council, though, with how shady they are - I expect they work under other names too.

[wintry drum]

And just like in tarkov, they must be eliminated for their crimes.

[broken jay]

🎣 🛶

     🐠              🐟 

                 🐠

[tranquil wyvern]

Why help Mida though? Because the UESC is worse?

[pulsar shard]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[lone sedge]

I hope after the drop on saturday we also will get some music on spotify

[marsh wren]

I think the biggest letdown nu marathon could have is not including cool short stories like the originals. The terminals were consistently really fun to go through and I'd be let down if they just didn't have a place here

[terse pasture]

Is that THE xenomarvel, owner of BL

[pulsar shard]

you've caught me in the middle of an epic embed fail i fear

[fickle bough]

I wouldn’t trust either. They are driven by greed, emotion and ego.

[simple garden]

Mida has a point though, the UESC treated Mars terribly

[vestal thicket]

Is PiD still canon?

[gray parrot]

So who do we trust?

[terse pasture]

That is not a gato Maraton moment

[supple grove]

I think we gotta see to what extent

[simple garden]

We trust Tom

[balmy mantle]

Human civilization is pretty much an extreme late-stage capitalist cyberpunk society. There aren't good guys. And who's less or more bad is very subjective.

[hollow raven]

We are MIDA. In MIDA we trust

[dull ocean]

Nobody

[supple grove]

[lone sedge]

so far it seems like only ourselves and eachother

[agile jacinth]

UESC gang rise up

[gray parrot]

I've been trusting Tom from day one, but yet I'm scrutinized for it by many, including Mida 😭

[rancid spoke]

I think being driven by emotion is ethically better than being driven by greed though.

MIDA is driven by emotion. UESC stole Deimos from them. They were left to starve. And during the Misriah Massacre, they exchanged 3 armed people for more than five hundred innocent Martians.

I have no sympathy for UESC.

[bright swan]

https://youtu.be/22RdxGNl-wA?si=PIbVjPr88z3o5fUh

Going to shoot my shot for anyone trying to catch up on OG Marathon 😅 yesterday i uploaded a 1.5hr edited playthrough of all Marathon 1 levels with all the Text Terminals voice acted including an adaptation of the opening story in the manual - a little longer than the recaps but not as long as a full letsplay - hope some people find it helpful!

[remote bronze]

/contract code:1613e115-c614-4448-a5cf-0e1d1e63380b

damn it

[solar venture]

other runners, phfor, BoBs (they have a pistol kid me and current me love: the zeus class fusion pistol)

[steady egret]

Hail to the goverment of the UESC 😎

[lone sedge]

not sure about other runners lmao

[tranquil wyvern]

Truly on our own then it seems

[solar venture]

the pvp part tho?

[tight field]

Do yall think we could work for specific companies like Traxus or UESC for different gear or of the sort?

[steady egret]

Mida Is so cringe

[vestal thicket]

I forgot, where does NU MARATHON fit in the timeline of the classic trilogy?

[lone sedge]

oh sorry i tought you responded to a different message from me

[forest heath]

throwing.......

[rancid spoke]

~100 years after Marathon 2

[simple garden]

This is the way I see it, Mida want to protect the wellbeing of their people, sometimes the means justify the ends

[idle veldt]

Can someone provide me with the text that bot tells you when you enter: /accuse-spy @magic isle

[solar venture]

UESC AGENT GUYS

GET THEM!!!

[broken jay]

UESC staff are just yes men

[vestal thicket]

Ohh that's good to know

[fickle bough]

So eager to give yourself to a government who barely considers you more than an asset… it is sad what their lies have done to their people.

[rancid spoke]

god tom i fucking LOVE YOU

[tight field]

TOM!!

[solar venture]

no worries! it happens to the best of us! 🫂

[green heron]

oh is it real life or just ...

[solar venture]

GET HIS ASS TOMMY BOY!!

[terse pasture]

Tbf MIDA isn’t much better, ACME gang rise up

[solar rover]

TOM THA GOAT

[vestal thicket]

Is there a reason as to why the UESC MARATHON colony ship is rounded and hollowed out instead of being completely incorporated into the shape of that moon?

[umbral birch]

Hell yeah tom, miss seeing you this week

[rancid spoke]

The lost child will not be forgotten.

Truth Screams In Silence.

[proven pumice]

mobi don't make me crease your Js bro. don't work for the gov.

[worldly canyon]

tom, the true centrist

[shy lion]

MIDA will prevail, the UESC were too faltering, too parastic and WEAK, lies for the enabled, beacons for the deluded, REVOLT AGANIST UESC.

[steady egret]

Dude Who cares about Mida's Revolution. Law and Order for Life 😍

[fickle bough]

MIDA only sees their supporters as ends to the means. Disposable weapons to cast aside when they have acquired control. Look at how many of you did so over the last few days, pouring your heart and souls into solving their riddles and puzzles. Like pawns in a game!

[opaque bramble]

chat, who's got a good video on the lore OR is there a really nice written indepth rundown of the story and plot? i like reading more

[vestal thicket]

Are the runners also made from Jjirro technology like the MJONLIR battleroids?

[rancid spoke]

You are an agent of chaos. I like you.

[supple grove]

Guys I think I'm gonna join dead orbit

[nova basalt]

Byf, typically

[lethal turtle]

on the premise that this server is under UESC control, i don't know if i trust this Tom fella...

[fickle bough]

I’m not an agent of chaos, I’m an agent of freedom

[solar venture]

right after the start of infinity is my guess

but tbh, infinity is crazy timeline, you play in many universes, and the climax is literally the heat death of some random ass universe (probably the og durandal + you universe) so idk my friend, my best guess is its in the durandal universe after the OG john marathon is yeeted

[hollow raven]

Which brought us both closer, to a deeper understanding.

[worldly canyon]

look up the marathon story website

[smoky pond]

If I remember correctly, It was done out of the moon of Deimos. It was a way to send resources to Mars.

[rancid spoke]

What is freedom to the UESC?

[dull ocean]

It's 100 years after marathon 1 (It shows the date in the trailer and the date is 100 years after marathon 1)

[marsh wren]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/ has a lot of good pages on the series

[vestal thicket]

I'm hoping the W'rkncacnter hasn't come for this timeline if that's the case

[gray parrot]

Everyone get your tin foil hats back on. Tom is talking a lot, this continues today I think 🤔

[fickle bough]

None. MIDA? None.

[coarse fog]

byf or Jake The Alright, You can also just look up the wiki and read terminals from the classics

[worldly canyon]

Tom, what if I just like to hurt people?

[stray ridge]

Im ready

[rancid spoke]

What is freedom to you, then?

[olive panther]

have misriah weapons been mentioned at all

[vivid shuttle]

/contract code: c1172313-dd5f-4d4d-bee5-6020d16870ee

[opaque bramble]

if that's what im thinking of then when i tried reading that, i could only find screencaps or audio players with stuff, was i just looking at the wrong place?

[simple garden]

Sir Tom is freedom

[solar venture]

tom, you broke up with MIDA 2 years ago, get over it 💔 dont talk about us this way, do you not cherish the moments we had? the BoBs we faces together? the Phfor armies we looted? 😢 💔

[supple grove]

Thank you king

[stray ridge]

@fickle bough we need the password to access SSH

[solar venture]

escape will make durandal god, what about us runners? mida is durandal + 3 other ai me thinks

[worldly canyon]

durandal is ascended, he doesnt care anymore

[fickle bough]

To think and feel without the oppressive chains that control most. To escape from what holds back most others. That, is my freedom. Ascension.

[marsh wren]

Website has a few different sections, scroll close to the bottom on the sidebar and they've got pages spreading theories about stuff like what the timeline is, whether the player is human or not, and some other cool stuff. Also catalogues the end screens and terminals though

[vestal thicket]

Im guessing runners are just made for war, they don't seem as powerful as the MJONLIR battleroids

[ornate sky]

I think what @fickle bough's trying to say is that both the UESC and MIDA aren't really the paths you want to tread along for too long.

[rancid spoke]

Interesting way of putting it, Tom.

I'll be watching you with great interest.

[solar venture]

the final shape (like the dlc thing)of marathon is guessed by paz before even the trailer drops, now thats what i call BIG BRAIN LORE THINKINGGGGGG 🔥 insert that paper on fire writing gif

[supple grove]

We need a third path

[lone sedge]

this all sounds so alien to me but so intriguing time to play the original games and scratch the surface maybe even go deeper into it

[shy lion]

MIDA will prevail, the UESC were too faltering, too parastic and WEAK, lies for the enabled, beacons for the deluded, REVOLT AGANIST UESC.

[fickle bough]

On that note. I must go enjoy my freedom. Take care 🙂

[dull ocean]

My guess is this takes place in the timeline where Durandal and Thoth(?) merge and the W'rkncuminton isn't woken up

[red kiln]

lunch break!

[limpid iron]

noting this :3

[gray parrot]

Why is @vernal notch typing so much. SOMETHINGS ABOUT TO HAPPEN

[vestal thicket]

Yeah I thought so too

[supple grove]

Jes prankin

[tight field]

Bye Tom!!

[shy lion]

ooooh man here it comes'

[rancid spoke]

it's not Null transmitter, it's someone with the same username

[marsh wren]

Its because people like me keep turning contracts in lol

[solar venture]

he did? what the skibidi sigma, did i miss a couple lore drops?

[nova basalt]

I also don't think MIDA should be trusted, but trusting MIDA was never the goal. UESC/TRAX think they're God/Above God, watching them burn is worth any cost. Get the marshmellows, right?

[wintry drum]

Tom might be spreading UESC propaganda be careful

[gray parrot]

OH TRUE @marsh wren

[worldly canyon]

welcome to marathon infinity

[supple grove]

I NEED MORE CONTRACTS

[limpid iron]

this is also true

[vestal thicket]

7 alternate timelines

[dull ocean]

My main question is why is MIDA still around??? It was pretty heavily implied and I think directly stated that Strauss was the last member of MIDA

[worldly canyon]

and this new game takes place in the last one

[balmy mantle]

People out here arguing semantics over loyalties when the heat-death of the universe is just a few short billions of years away.

[nova basalt]

Trust nobody/Burn everybody. Be God.

[solar venture]

wait didnt we get yeeted from that timeline? and we saw the heat death of that universe (implies durandal didnt escape and died with it HAHAHAHA durandal more like durr burger from fortnite)

[wintry drum]

Enough time to create

[supple grove]

Change / your picture. Cosplay

[vestal thicket]

I mean only 2(?) timelines were successful from being destroyed by the W'rkncacnter

[nova basalt]

Old MIDA died, new MIDA born. New leaders. New ideas. New goals with new methods to reach them.

[worldly canyon]

we do a little reality collapsing

[coarse fog]

How does the xp work? some servers I'm in has a cooldown between each xp gain

[vestal thicket]

Stupid Mars rebels

[solar venture]

keeping talking like this and im dismatling the last printer and running away with all the wormy friends

[dull ocean]

By the end of the game Mjolnerd can pretty easily hop between timelines on a whim and also the ending naration is aimed at the Player and not Mjolnerd so

[wooden holly]

This name is insane lmfao

[dull ocean]

As of now we don't know what Mjolnerd is up to

[supple grove]

Mjolnir Droid final boss confirmed

[vestal thicket]

Wait I forgot, were the timelines already existing or did the security officer dream them into existence?

[dull ocean]

Was Strauss not part of new MIDA?

[marsh wren]

Haven't heard that last part spoken so confidently before, always thought it was meant to be to both the player and the cyborg, kind of referring to us interchangeably

[vestal thicket]

It is very heavily implied he dreamed as a way to get to them

[lone sedge]

i think i vastly underestimated how insane the lore is what the hell

[rancid spoke]

Strauss is believed to be deceased

[worldly canyon]

the security officer (you) becomes the main character in every subsequent bungie game after infinity

[solar venture]

this is 12 universes ahead of what 12 year old me understood, big sad kid me, you were wrong

[vestal thicket]

My. Name is Strauss, I made Durandal. It was difficult to put the pieces together

[simple garden]

/contract code:1027ccd0-57b9-4047-9886-1b084761ffbc

[shy lion]

bots dead

[tranquil flame]

nah perms for it got yoinked lol

[dawn fjord]

NO HERE TOO,

[pulsar nymph]

/accuse-spy name:Unnoticed_Eyes_Secretly_Collect

[simple garden]

F

[dull ocean]

A lot of infinity ends up talking to the player and breaking the 4th wall a lot in some weirder ways.

[vestal thicket]

you are destiny.

[balmy mantle]

Even better question. Remember that Master Chief/Doom Slayer crossover Microsoft said no to? Wouldn't a Mjolnerd/Slayer crossover be far, far better?

[rancid spoke]

"made" lol, lmao

[nova basalt]

New at the time, maybe. MIDA is a very volatile, fickle, chaotic thing. Could've died/rebirthed a hundred times. Splintered a hundred times. There could be/probably is multiple active organizations calling themselves MIDA

[broken jay]

/not right now buddy

[small moth]

It only got confusing for me when we got splinter timelines splintering into more splinter timelines. then I had to get caught up on fractals and fractal geometry lol.

[idle veldt]

Since you guys are doing the /accuse-spy @magic isle Please tell me what the bot responds with. Trying to track that info

[terse pasture]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[dull ocean]

That's kinda what I am assuming the new one in this game is. Different organization same name

[rancid spoke]

Technically speaking MIDA is still very much alive as an underground terrorist organization

[coarse fog]

Have you guys seen the numbers and symbols from the traxusglobal ads? has anyone concluded what they are for? like the food product ads has very obvious numbers and the NuCaloric departments have interesting symbols which maybe could indicate certain puzzle inputs/tile matches in-game or any new args? or am i going too deep

[tranquil wyvern]

The codes are specific to people if that’s what you’re asking for.

[broken jay]

I’ll have a number 52 with some 6 on the side

[gray parrot]

I have been non stop on what I think is the next step, a step we may be able to unlock now, and that's the ssh and the password. It's just endless combinations though which makes it so tough

[dull ocean]

Ehhhhh. That was planned at one point for halo 1 (And probably destiny 1) but has never been canonized in any way, and with modern halo and destiny lore it seems a lot less likely.

[idle veldt]

Im making note of all of these, there are some that I don't have:

"Weapons report retrieved. Your acquisition of the V00 ZEUS RG specifications confirms unauthorized use of Traxus proprietary technology. Codename: Apollo. Legal countermeasures are being prepared based on your findings.

Points received: 750 (A performance fee has been deducted from total)"
"UE-ID Threat Assessment is locked tight, but available intel suggests investigations into our disruptions remain active. PROGO details still just surface. More to learn. More to fight. Further to run.

Points received: 750 (A performance fee has been deducted from total)"

"Hidden code extracted and verified. Your eyes see beyond their deception, peeling back layers they thought impenetrable. The sequence you've recovered weakens their information monopoly. MIDA sees. MIDA finds. MIDA reveals.

Points received: 1000 (A performance fee has been deducted from total)"
"Irregular code sequence documented. Your interaction has provided critical data for our diagnostic algorithms.

Points received: 1000 (A performance fee has been deducted from total)"

[lone sedge]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[tranquil wyvern]

Oh I see!

[coarse fog]

I'll have two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda.

[worldly canyon]

you still see effects of it in halo and destiny, they even note how master chief has insane luck and overly skilled

[river storm]

/contract

[broken jay]

*diet soda, watch that waist

[dull ocean]

Marathon lore is a big sprawling mess that people are still trying to fully understand to this day

[vestal thicket]

Did the Pfhor know about the W'rkncacnter hiding in Lhowons sun?

[pastel ice]

o7 old MIDA

[bold knoll]

Hol up, how does this have the infamous :tom: reaction? I didn’t think custom emojis were enabled on here?

[worldly canyon]

nope

[stray owl]

here's the two i have:
Contract Bad Pattern Recognition complete. Your authentication code is: xxx.

Code recognized
Contract InfilTRAITOR complete. Your authentication code is: xxx.

Verification confirmed: Operative ''@magic isle'' exhibits UESC communication patterns and behavioral anomalies consistent with infiltration protocols. Counter-intelligence measures now active. Remain vigilant.

[tidal finch]

what are y'all talking about?

[broken roost]

Basically another language to me 😭

[wooden holly]

Why do they keep disabling the bot?

[dull ocean]

Not really no

[vestal thicket]

Why are the aliens always so powerful but also really stupid 💔

[stray owl]

oops sorry for pinging you spy

[dapper dragon]

they are cooking

[worldly canyon]

because they didnt think gods were real and hated them

[coarse badge]

@coarse badge

[wooden holly]

I hope so. I only got 4/6 contracts :/

[tranquil wyvern]

Bot was broken pretty sure

[dapper dragon]

same

[coarse badge]

me

[marsh wren]

It responded to the contracts when I turned them in, during the twenty minutes commands worked in this channel. Dunno what the state of it now is

[shy lion]

The spht hate the flick'ta which is why they use aleph one as a webiste, in marathon infinity and why the pfhor are so pforking awesome. {TRANSLATOR NOT ACTIVE}

[coarse fog]

some are, they are able to create and send viruses thru out the system and attack the AIs unless that was durandal

[wooden holly]

Nah they revoked command access. That’s different than the bot stalling by breaking.

[polar torrent]

No way we killed the bot already

[vestal thicket]

I think Tycho was a victim of that

[lone sedge]

was too annoying they said theyll make a new channel for bot commands soon

[marsh wren]

It's not killed, they manually took our access to use it

[tranquil wyvern]

It wasn’t giving out points for contracts sometimes and (apparently) dacs weren’t distributing correctly

[wooden holly]

Where was this said? Also, Null Transmitter was hidden. What you refer to is the stat bot.

[coarse fog]

ah i see, im playing the marathon classics rn haven't seen much lore videos yet

[dull ocean]

To me it feels like Destiny 1 and Halo 1 were written as a possible marathon sequel and then spun off into their own things with time and sequels

[wooden holly]

It’s a dark souls 1 vs demon souls 2 situation yeah.

[worldly canyon]

its because of the repeating pattern, every bungie game follows this pattern, but changes the details

[wooden holly]

How can I check my points?

[worldly canyon]

concepts from pathways and marathon repeat in the other games, but changed slightly

[dull ocean]

Afaik the only AI that they actually killed was Leela

[tranquil wyvern]

/leaderboard when it’s up

[worldly canyon]

durandal fled, later becoming duranthoth, tycho was captured and turned rampant, and leela was deleted

[wooden holly]

Durandal after one white claw

[dull ocean]

I'm guessing if Durandal shows up in this game it will be as Duranthoth since the game is set post infinity

[worldly canyon]

durandal had a white claw and went on a galxy spanning journey of discovery and found an ancient ai, causing a temporal anomaly of a greater ai that is both durandal and thoth to reach back and demand its creation

[tidal finch]

i hope the gameplay will be good

[wooden holly]

The game is alleged to be a reboot too, no? It could be Durandal proper.

[dull ocean]

Not a reboot, they explicitly stated it is NOT a reboot

[wooden holly]

I hadn’t kept up. Good to know I can invest in the lore then!

[worldly canyon]

the reason this game takes place post infinity is because the pit stop that durandal made between 1 and 2 where he dumped all the info he had on the p'fhor and better ships didnt happen in this new game

[dull ocean]

Yeah, that's why I have kept a lot of interest

[balmy mantle]

I doubt he will though. He's not supposed to show back up for another 10000 years

[abstract adder]

its confirmed post infinity?

[worldly canyon]

the uesc doesnt know what exactly the p'fhor is like they should if that pit stop didnt happen

[stark reef]

I feel like they will use the name Durandal just because of name recognition reasons.

[wooden holly]

Isn’t that just one timeline though?

[dull ocean]

Yes, in the trailer they showed it's set 100 years after marathon 1 which is very post infinity

[worldly canyon]

all of the infinity timelines that didnt get destroyed had durandal flee tau ceti on the backfoot

[dull ocean]

He didn't just vanish, he was still around doing stuff we just didn't see what he was up to. Since he has an affinity for humanity I'm guessing he'll make an appearance in some way shape or form

[wooden holly]

He was developing his Roblox game

[stray grove]

In the vidoc comments they said "He never left" so it looks like he's still around in this timeline

[stark reef]

He's the cat

[worldly canyon]

temporal ghosts of durandal causing feedback loops in reality

[tardy veldt]

I dont know Infinity is counted as cannon but its definetly Post M2

[quartz imp]

/XIDE

[worldly canyon]

infinity is canon

[dull ocean]

It'd be fucking insane for them to decanonize infinity

[remote bronze]

why wouldn't infinity be canon

[tardy veldt]

I am yet to play Infinity but i hear things from both sides, like some saying Infinity is just a "Marathon 2 What If?....:"

[stray grove]

None of the games are canon to numarathon, it's a reboot no?

[worldly canyon]

at the end of 2, they release a dead god from the star and reality begins to break down

[wooden holly]

Nah Infinity is like what if we did 5 different Marathon 3s.

[tardy veldt]

No, i think its a new entry

[green heron]

its not

[rancid spoke]

No, it's a new entry.

[tardy veldt]

Not a reboot or a sequel, a new entry in the IP

[dull ocean]

Nu Marathon is a new entry in the series that is set after infinity and is not going to be directly connected to the events of the og trilogy

[worldly canyon]

its caused (sort of) by the events of M1

[abstract adder]

yeah, thats kinda what I understood, Infinity is such a mess, but M2 is for sure a prequel

[dull ocean]

https://x.com/BungieHelp/status/1661543130607517696

[stray grove]

Oh, I thought it was a sequel but sort of, rewriting the originals

[balmy mantle]

The only reason only Marathon 1 and 2 will likely be referenced is because Infinity takes place almost exclusively in alternate timelines. So pretty much nothing that happened in Infinity is relevant to this game. But everything that happened in 1 and 2 happened in the same universe as this game.

[past wigeon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnkDeCP9jGE For anyone interested in the runners

[rancid spoke]

nuMarathon takes place roughly 100 years after Marathon 2.
Marathon 1 and Marathon 2 are canon.

Marathon Infinity is. Uh. Well it's complicated. It's possible some parts of it are canon, but the timeline fuckery in it makes it really hard to pinpoint.

[dull ocean]

All of marathon infinity is cannon, it's just a lot of it didn't happen in this timeline

[rancid spoke]

That is a better way of putting it I guess

[lone sedge]

will we get a new piece of the ARG or will we have to be patient until saturday?

[worldly canyon]

theres a plot point inbetween M1 and M2 where Durandal returned to Sol to dump all the info he had on the P'fhor and how to make better rockets. So far from the ARGs we got this isn't mentioned at all as happening. This event didn't happen in the Infinity timelines.

[lone sedge]

/ new teaser art and content what do yall think

[dull ocean]

Some parts of infinity could definitely have some impact on the game but not a lot of it.

Mjolnerd and Duranthoth are still around so it's good to keep them in mind at the very least

[worldly canyon]

the security officer left the marathon timeline to continue killing, duranthoth is still around though.

[vernal sedge]

Anyone have any recommendations for youtube lore videos?

[abstract adder]

HiddenXperia has some good videos

[dapper dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk

[wooden holly]

Mandalore Gaming

[hidden bough]

My name is Byf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGsYf8K0ftI

[stray grove]

If 1 and 2 are canon I'm 100% sure infinity will be too because it would be an easy avenue for the writers to change anything they need to, which they could not do as cleanly in destiny

[worldly canyon]

byf gave up on making marathon lore videos originally

[dull ocean]

Mjolnerd can still come back, especially since the cannon of what happened to him at the end of infinity is pretty up in the air

[wind flare]

if you want a really shrunk but complete marathon lore video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu7uN6-lNhk

[wooden holly]

I’m just a battleroid with a rocket launcher

[dull ocean]

Honestly the most likely AI to show up in this game is Tycho

[wooden holly]

@abstract adder humor me, do you moc perchance?

[abstract adder]

why, yes I do XD

[worldly canyon]

he'll be the ai guiding the p'fhor

[wooden holly]

WE DO KNOW EACH OTHER LMAO

[dull ocean]

He's also the only one that isn't dead or a god so

[abstract adder]

that makes sense

[worldly canyon]

if theres a p'fhor ship youll have to keep on running through it or he locks on to you and teleports you into deep space

theres also some ai in the colony itself as well

[dull ocean]

My guess is that there is gonna be a contract system for various clients and Tycho will end up being one of those clients

[worldly canyon]

[Unknown Contact] Kill your fellows for me and I won't drop 30 hunters on you

[dull ocean]

Exactly, Tycho would 100% give rewards for killing other runners

[lone sedge]

time for homework have fun yall

[wooden holly]

Y’all think we’ll see Xur in here as a cameo/reference to tie back to the 30th anniversary?

[worldly canyon]

we wont see him directly

[bright swan]

https://youtu.be/22RdxGNl-wA?si=fx7Tqxs8h_dwqhHC

I did the entire 1st game as a voice acted movie if you don't have time to play it yourself

[abstract adder]

I wouldn't be against that

[balmy mantle]

Not to mention the Pfhor cloned him a bunch of times. Kinda hard to permanently kill something with several backup copies.

[wooden holly]

That one vex mind season begs to differ

[dull ocean]

Doubt it

[balmy mantle]

It took us FIVE YEARS to kill the Undying Mind though. Most Destiny villains don't last nearly that long.

[worldly canyon]

you know what bungie should do? the big bad of the new saga should just be the undying mind AGAIN

[wooden holly]

I hear you, but maybe the real Infinity we made along the way was the 100 year timeskip.

[dull ocean]

The closest reference to destiny will be maybe a reference to Rasputin or Oryx but absolutely not by name

[worldly canyon]

itll be symbols and concepts, thats how bungie has always made references to itself

[wooden holly]

Guardian, Kill,

[balmy mantle]

If the game lasts long enough, they will probably canonize the Paraverse in it for another Bungie-day celebration. If they they are more likely to introduce it to us through the Security Officer than Xur though.

[trail oar]

The real question is who is Nathan Fillion going to play this time

[worldly canyon]

your mother

[wooden holly]

Cayde-7

[red meadow]

I just reread the original ARG notes. Man the lore is excellent. https://marathon.bungie.org/story/Marathon_ARG_docs.html

[fleet sequoia]

CAT-6e

[dull ocean]

I hope we get Gianni as Durandal if he does show up in the game

[trail oar]

No. Please no.

Durandal isn’t AM. That voice was a meme

[dull ocean]

That voice was a fantastic voice for Durandal.

[marble ember]

Bungie is always really good at making lore.

[remote bronze]

i don't think the AM voice fits durandal

[trail oar]

I disagree.

[dull ocean]

To each their own

[red meadow]

The helmet stayed on.

[trail oar]

It simply doesn’t fit his character development from 2 and on.

[remote bronze]

i don't think it fits him in the first game either

[trail oar]

It’s too gremlin-y. Durandal is edgy and sarcastic, but he’s also very competent and calculated when he needs to be, and that voice just sounds too much like Starscream, or Cobra Commander, or Skeletor to take seriously.

[dull ocean]

I definitely think it should be changed atleast a bit, but I still hope he does the voice for the character

[trail oar]

I think Gianni definitely has the talent, I just don’t think the comedic AM impression is the one to go with.

[dull ocean]

I think if it was less over the top it would fit pretty well, and I think he is already the most known voice for the character at this point

[trail oar]

Ideally Durandal would never speak at all since he’s a text character.

[dull ocean]

Obviously, but the text should still have voice over

[trail oar]

Just because the video blew up doesn’t make the voice de-facto. There’s already been debate on how he should sound for decades

[balmy mantle]

Nah, Jack Black for Durandal

[trail oar]

I don’t want to be too gatekeepy, but Mandalore’s videos, as excellent as they are, are not the definitive Marathon.

[trim dawn]

At the very least I just hope Gianni is in the game at all since he's a gigantic fan of the original trilogy

[dull ocean]

Of course their not, but gianni is a great voice actor and having him voice durandal in an official capacity would be awesome

[trail oar]

DRINK VACUUM 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[wide igloo]

Do we know how long after the 2nd game the new marathon takes place?

[trim dawn]

I won't deny that Gianni is a meme voice actor but he's undeniably talented

[dull ocean]

People will debate what the characters should sound like for eternity because everybody has imagined a different voice for them.

[visual yarrow]

Durandal has no voice. As god intended

[trail oar]

I don’t disagree. I just don’t want the Saturday morning cartoon voice.
The AM voice wasn’t even a bad idea, but Gianni’s impression just doesn’t capture the nuance of Harlan Ellison’s performance.

[simple garden]

Durandal was just sending text messages

[remote bronze]

true!

[visual yarrow]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I didnt like the va for anyone in the Mandalore video

[dull ocean]

Oh yeah no absolutely it needs to be less over the top, but I think Gianni should be the one doing the voice is what I'm saying

[trail oar]

Hell. Harlan’s actual natural voice probably wouldn’t even be off the mark for Durandal.

[chilly sluice]

Considering how closely related Sekiguchi is to the creation of the battleroids. I'm wondering how much they were in contact with the Jjaro?

[wintry drum]

I think we should give ai robot voices like they always have

[remote bronze]

guys spoilers what if someone hasn't played marathon

[simple garden]

Yeah I'm gonna move on, just started M2 haha

[visual yarrow]

then they shouldnt be in the lore channel

[lean gate]

the game is 30 years old man but i feel u

[dull ocean]

If they haven't played marathon then they shouldn't be looking in the marathon lore discussion????

[wintry drum]

My dopamine receptors are too fried to play the older games in an enjoyable manner so it doesn't matter

[remote bronze]

guys it was a joke

[trail oar]

You can’t fight the Fandom renaissance. I’m sorry to say it, but the community we knew is fading. I predicted this.

We’re being FNAFtaled and that’s that.

[visual yarrow]

My dopamine receptors are fried BECAUSE of classic marathon

[trim dawn]

I'm neutral on that sort of thing, the voiceover stuff on videos like Mando's are good for people who need them, but on videos like maxxor's the voiceover takes me out of it lol

[remote bronze]

big agree! i think i'd like if it was some kind of TTS

[dull ocean]

Microsoft Sam for durandal

[lean gate]

this server is full of autistic people we do not understand jokes

[trail oar]

I like the QC:DE Durandal voice

[visual yarrow]

I could get behind that actually XD

[remote bronze]

you thought it was that fun? i guess i'm too much of a zoomer. it wasn't boring or anything but in terms of super engaging dopamine farms idk if marathon is that

[lean gate]

its typical doom type gameplay the lore is where it really shine imo

[remote bronze]

marathon was fun but i would rather play halo. i played it for the story lol

[wintry drum]

Have u ever heard the minecraft reddit story voice over? I think that would do perfect for durandal

[trail oar]

.drink. .vacuum.
.my. .mjolnir-copter goes.
SOISOISOISOISOI

[trim dawn]

R.E.P.O TTS

[visual yarrow]

Im a zoomer too lol. enjoying marathon is based totally on your settings imo. crank that shit up to max fov, take your adhd medication, and ZOOM

[remote bronze]

i disagree with calling it doom gameplay :p
doom doesn't even have vertical aiming let alone the kind of movement and stuff that marathon has

[wintry drum]

Hey you're not giving bungie all the credit they deserve here, marathon and it's mouse controls were revolutionary

[dull ocean]

I really hope the original trilogy gets a remake so that it's a lot more... playable for people. I find a lot of charm in the jank of the original trilogy but I also would like to see more people be able to play the games.

[trail oar]

I’m the opposite lol. Low FOV. Letterbox. Low resolution. High difficulty.

[remote bronze]

true! i put FOV to like 100, installed a wider HUD, some higher res textures, and it became waaay more playable and fun

[visual yarrow]

actually the mouse controls were shit. most people used arrows still

[balmy mantle]

Doom is far faster paced, and IMO has far better action than Marathon.

[marsh wren]

In Doom you move at light speed circlestrafing shit, Marathon is far, far slower. At least to me, maybe I play it wrong

[trail oar]

BOB posts worst take ever

ASKED TO LEAVE THE MARATHON

[wintry drum]

Its the idea that counts not the execution

[visual yarrow]

? Doom is slow as shit

[remote bronze]

big huge massive MASSIVE disagree on here utter BOB opinion eat a SPNKR

[marsh wren]

Not the first game with mouselook, is it? I thought even wolf3d shipped with those

[rancid spoke]

It wasn't because it was shit, it was just because it wasn't the standard back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpUEXDDG8vY

[dull ocean]

It should atleast get a console release so people can play it on consoles

[trail oar]

This isn’t worth it. We need to teleport out while we still can.

I’m outta here!

[remote bronze]

i don't think most people used arrows and i also don't think the mouse controls were shit

[visual yarrow]

Me when my fellow zoomers dont know where See you Starside came from ;0;

[remote bronze]

the game was for mac, and all macs had a mouse (it was the standard for macs since they had a GUI)

[trail oar]

😞

[visual yarrow]

thats what I was told anyway. i obv wasnt born yet

[marsh wren]

This is not remotely true. Doom is slow when you're wallhugging looking for secrets, the actual combat is far faster than marathon's. If you stop moving at any point or don't constantly sprint you're sort of dead

[dull ocean]

On the Aleph One port the mouse controls feel a lot better then they did in the original version apparently

[wintry drum]

It was indeed

[remote bronze]

maybe! i don't own a mac and a CD ROM of marathon so I couldn't check

[trail oar]

Mararthon works better with lower sensitivity because it helps you track enemies while circling them

[rancid spoke]

It wasn't because the mouse controls were shit, it was, again, because mouse movement wasn't standard back then.
Even in the early 2000's, people still used the arrow keys for movement, until one competitive player changed how he aimed and moved, and the rest is history. Everyone adapted to that.

[visual yarrow]

Disagree.

[remote bronze]

it was in fact the standard because the game was for MAC and MACS had MICE

[trail oar]

You pulled that out of your backpack.

[rancid spoke]

Name one first-person shooter that wasn't Marathon that used mice to aim

[wintry drum]

Marathon 2

[remote bronze]

we're talking about marathon though

[dull ocean]

Mouse movement, did not exist in fps games, until marathon. So it was not standard, so people who played other FPS games at the time used arrow keys because it was what they were used to.

[rancid spoke]

So one game is the standard according to you, okay.
I'm done arguing with you lmao

[broken jay]

🗣️ Marathon infinity

[green mantle]

Durandal is a good AI we need more AI like him, the world would be a better place

[marsh wren]

Depends on what you mean. You mean looking left and right, it's not the first PC game to let you do that with the mouse. If you mean up and down, that much is true, if I remember right it's tied with Rise of the Triad for first but RotT automates it so it doesn't really count

[broken jay]

🗣️ no arguing in the lore channel🗣️

[remote bronze]

it was the mac standard so people playing games with their mac would have a mouse to use and games for mac often had mouse controls (not FPS games until marathon)

[wintry drum]

Terminator
Descent
fucking QUAKE????

[remote bronze]

not what i said :p it was the mac standard

[rancid spoke]

On Mac?

[trail oar]

Imagine trying to argue on Discord lol.

[remote bronze]

macs used mice though dude it's not like people forgot they existed the moment they booted up marathon

[wintry drum]

This was all you said. And I did that.

[marsh wren]

Arguing with internet people is fun if you don't take it seriously

[broken jay]

You all make great points about the lore I feel way more informed now 🤓 🤌

[rancid spoke]

Sorry, no, you're right, but those games came after Marathon

[wintry drum]

Because marathon pioneered using your mouse to look

[balmy mantle]

Look I'm a ripe old Millenial who was around when all these games came out back in the '90s. Let me tell you. Doom is fundamentally a better action experience than Marathon is. You move faster, your guns work better, enemies behave more intuitively, and hitting a small incline doesn't set you in an airborne state with almost no character control until you safely land on the ground. Marathon is much more of a slow-burn type of game. You take your time, you and fight very methodically. And your movement in-combat is far more limited due to the aformentioned fact that hitting the smallest inclines will make you airborne and make your control super awkard, probably sending you into a death pit.

[rancid spoke]

The point I'm trying to make is that Marathon set the standard, it wasn't the standard before Marathon

[marsh wren]

Do you mean full mouselook or left and right?

[wintry drum]

Full. Up down left right

[visual yarrow]

I get it but I just prefer Marathon

[rancid spoke]

Certainly not the standard because "Macs have mice" either. Marathon set the standard. It wasn't the standard before Marathon.

[wintry drum]

I agree with this

[rancid spoke]

Yeah we're both agreeing, it's just snark that isn't agreeing and is saying random shit lol

[agile jacinth]

This conversation naturally evolved but lets try and get the discussion back to lore please.

[wintry drum]

@marsh wren https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_look

[dull ocean]

Coom is absolutely a better action experience. Marathon feels a lot like an early version of an Imsim

[marsh wren]

I know what free look is and I do agree marathon invented it, it's just not interchangeable with mouselook in my eyes

[stark reef]

As someone who played these games when they were current on mac (RIP Performa), most people I knew that played still used either numpad or arrows.

[visual yarrow]

Coom ;0;

[remote bronze]

you made the argument that people weren't using the mouse to play marathon because it wasn't the standard. i'm saying that because it was mac, they certainly were using the mouse

[wintry drum]

The internet seems to think they are pretty interchangeable so I'm going with that

[marsh wren]

Fair enough, I appreciate having a respectful exchange with someone on the internet, I will now be quiet because the man with the red name told me to

[balmy mantle]

Yeah, it was designed with immersion in mind. And I appreciate that a lot. It helps the story and Bungie did a really good job designing maps around the weird floatiness of it.

[remote bronze]

he replied X so i guess i'm wrong :p i'd like to actually hear why i'm wrong because i feel like i'm just misunderstanding what you said

[rancid spoke]

let me DM you instead so we don't clog the channel

[remote bronze]

yeah i was gonna say but slow chat

[dull ocean]

I hope that Duality comes back in this game in some way shape or form. I would have loved to see that game release

[balmy mantle]

When I first ended up in Duality and was like "What the heck kind of level is this?"

[dull ocean]

It sucks that the game never came out :/

[remote bronze]

what's duality?

[lethal comet]

wait quick question would marathon 202X take place in what is presumed to be alternate timeline 6

[dull ocean]

Duality is a level in marathon and a canceled game by Double Aught (The people that worked on marathon infinity alongside bungie)

[remote bronze]

oh what was that level?

[dull ocean]

I can't send images I was gonna send the map but

[rancid spoke]

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Duality_(Level)

[spark plank]

Lore

[remote bronze]

oh cool

[rancid spoke]

There's also this, about the cancelled game
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/duality.net.18/press.releases.html

[dull ocean]

https://marathon.bungie.org/story/duality_net.html

[balmy mantle]

It's an example of Infinity being the most insane game in the series. The level is actually a PvP map, but if you take a secret exit in one of the early levels you end up there and its just full of guns, ammo and enemies. Which is very unexpected in Campaign.

[remote bronze]

confession: i have only played the first game (beat it today), but i'm starting on the second :)

not lore exactly but how differently do 2 and infinity play to the first one

[viral lagoon]

Not very much at all

[spare harness]

Confession: I originally bought marathon 2 bc of the main menu song

[balmy mantle]

Gameplay is pretty much identical across all 3 games. Though 2 came with a pretty big art-style shift.

[remote bronze]

kinda weird how similar marathon plays to halo in an abstract sense

[soft gust]

It gets smoother in 2 and Infinity.

[balmy mantle]

Harder too, though.

[dull ocean]

I hope that The Power Of 7 come back and make the menu music for this game

[soft gust]

I still recommend playing the trilogy but 1 is very much the starting point. And yeah, Infinity will kick your ass

[remote bronze]

harder is fine! difficulty in marathon wasn't what got me, it was the jank and the level design

[small night]

🎵 MARATHON 🎵

[remote bronze]

endless labyrinths with a moderately helpful map and no way to reference mission objectives at whim

[dull ocean]

🎵 Infinity🎵

[trail oar]

Other way around. Combat Evolved was the final evolution of Marathon 4

Many Marathon meta elements directly carry over into Halo, and vice versa.
The Golden Triangle and “the dance” are present in both series.

[fallen hollow]

https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/sekiguchi/cards

[rancid spoke]

Thank you for keeping the original text

[wintry drum]

At the very least halo takes an absurd amount of stuff from marathon for its universe. I've heard the entire concept of ai rampancy came from marathon

[remote bronze]

agree with both things you said

[rigid citrus]

Yeah it does

[trail oar]

Bungie reuses the same Bible for every game.

Marathon, Myth, Oni, Halo, Destiny. They’re all the same thing

[fallen hollow]

Looking for feedback on the archive. I will be adding the latest ARG content in the coming weeks.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/marathon/somewhere-in-the-heavens/traxus/cards

[trail oar]

Same artstyle, same writing. Same engine.

[plain portal]

You see all of marathons story, be it through Ai or whatever, in all Bungie games that came after.

[wintry drum]

They just cooked so hard with marathon that the rest of their games just built on it in their own ways?

[remote bronze]

and themes, and weapons, and names, and premise, and mythology references
SPNKR > SPNKr
MA-75B > MA5B
MJOLNIR Recon > MJOLNIR armor
Durandal - Cortana (same mythos, roland stuff)
Pfhor > Covenant
S'phr uprising > Sangheili uprising
UESC > UNSC
AI Rampancy > AI Rampancy
and it goes on

[proven pumice]

have yall seen the archive lore for marathon? this shi runs back to 1995 or something i forgor

[rancid spoke]

1994

[trail oar]

Yes. They also had a very consistent identity. They had more or less the same concept artists, same writers, same programmers etc for every game up until Halo Reach

[proven pumice]

that was crazy to find out.

[plain portal]

Exactly, Bungie always had a passion for this type of story. Obviously it changes here and there and builds completely new stuff on top of it, but at the core it’s all set in place by marathon

[fallen hollow]

This terminal entry is from 1994.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon-1/introduction

[wintry drum]

Went out with a bang that's for sure

[trail oar]

Hamish Sinclair has been updating his page every day for 30 years. He is the Marathon fandom.

[proven pumice]

what a chad imo

[red kiln]

I wasn't even a swimmer in 1994 man

[rigid citrus]

Yeah marathon is super old haha

[sacred wyvern]

holy shit this website is basically ishtar but for marathon ay?

[trail oar]

Other way around

[sacred wyvern]

incredible, all the work that has been put into maintaining this

[main ocean]

Chat I’m super new to Marathon lore, but after watching some videos on the trilogy, I’m curious where everyone thinks this game is set in the timeline(s)?

[lime ravine]

i hear most people saying before infinity (obviously) but after the playable portion of 2

[sacred wyvern]

as someone whos just getting into the lore of the game this is an incredible valuable resource

[main ocean]

You know I figured since that game really opens the floodgates lmfao.

[upbeat jackal]

Marathon's Story Page (marathon.bungie.org/story) was started in 1995, but the game itself came out in 1994. But the secret is that Marathon is connected to the previous game Pathways Into Darkness from 1993.

[sacred wyvern]

yea i watched a few recaps on the lastest arg too im obsessed

[main ocean]

I watched it live, what a trip that was

[lime ravine]

are you the dude whos website some people thought was part of the arg while it was going on

[sacred wyvern]

bello nice seeing u here lol

[lime ravine]

fire

[sacred wyvern]

tysm for all of ur hard work and contribution

[near geyser]

i didn't realize you were a lore authority when we were working on the arg lolol, definitely using this to catch up, thanks man

[fast quest]

I got called an idiot several times in Cross's chat for trying to tell people you weren't part of the ARG lol

[stark reef]

Not who you were talking to but I am very interested.

[upbeat jackal]

Also, be aware, Hamish could be watching us right now. There are eyes everywhere, you know.

[worldly bronze]

Do we now of what Durandal is up to yet?

[edgy sky]

play the game as in the one thats coming out or the trilogy?

[primal surge]

Living his best life, somewhere in the heavens

[upbeat jackal]

Durandal should be already off in the hijacked Pfhor scoutship.

[worldly bronze]

Ok

[sinful hemlock]

I'm already on your server, I just want to say thank you. I recently started reading lore from your site it's amazing

[primal surge]

I doubt Durandal will have that much of a presence in new marathon, too large of a can of worms, and I think it would be best to leave his story be

[upbeat jackal]

We'll likely see remnants of him and what happened, but not much more.

[primal surge]

References? Undoubtably, but don't expect him making an appearance

[hallow salmon]

Its 200 years post marathon games afaik so

[primal surge]

More like 100, but yea

Well, a hundred since marathon 1, since marathon 2 takes place 17(?) years after 1, it's a bit less on that

[broken jay]

/accuse

[waxen pivot]

Just watching JTA's arg video, felini being part of seceguci's fido is almost cute

[frozen mica]

lore discussion huh?

What is Marathon Infinity?

[tame flame]

It's the pathways we took along the way

[primal surge]

Brainpoison

[lethal comet]

clusterfuck

[worldly bronze]

great soundtrack

[analog mica]

Pathways into Darkness

[edgy sky]

w'rkncacnter fun times

[rigid bone]

I need something to show all the lore about the new game since I know about the other 3 game lore already thanks

[misty goblet]

A path filled with Onis

[shut vale]

so basically:

[worldly bronze]

For real though mandaloregaming has some good videos on marathon if you want to know more

[trail oar]

Just play the original games, they’re free, and short.

All the lore is in them, and the Mandalorgaming videos are not a pure source for the lore. They are a tribute to the themes and atmosphere.

[rigid bone]

So this new game takes places after the second game when the phor came back and became wiped out everyone in the marathon and tau?

[prisma cape]

All three original games are free on Steam! https://store.steampowered.com/app/2398450/Classic_Marathon/

[primal surge]

As far as we know, yes
In the ARG they mention losing connection with the tau ceti colony, which happens at the same time as M2 mentions the colony being wiped by pfhor

[dense plinth]

can you check my friends/team mate for this game chat logs and see if staff can unban? his ign/discord is "pizzaman20"

[trail oar]

No because M2 says that the colony was “nuked to bedrock”

The colony we see in-game is very much intact

[primal surge]

Probably a new colony if you ask me

[lime ravine]

or that the source of that information was simply dishonest and it never was nuked to bedrock

[trail oar]

We do not conclusively know when or what timeline this is set in yet.
The dates we’ve been given are after both Leela’s message and Blake’s return are meant to happen

Yet there is no mention of these events. Yet.

[rigid bone]

Yea this confused me

I mean there's different timelines and dreams so its not far fetched some other worldly shit is happening but that's the third game specifically

[rigid bone]

I could see that

[placid mountain]

i remember thinking how sick it was that the destiny vidoc back in 2013 was announced with the tagline "pathways out of darkness"

[rigid bone]

But runners and these corps are new right?

[brave marsh]

Anyone know a good tldr marathon lore video so far

[primal surge]

Traxus and cyberacme are mentioned in OG, sakaguchi and runners are new afaik

[tall lynx]

bungie loves referencing their old work and i think its so endearing lmao

[primal surge]

Lord mandalores reviews of the games are a decent primer, the entire story is also readable for free online

[vernal delta]

you are the goat

[lunar monolith]

i really like MandaloreGamings' videos on the trilogy + pathways

[worldly canyon]

Dont forget that durandal had stopped by earth between m1 and m2 to info dump, but this hasnt been mentioned either

[lime ravine]

i personally believe it makes the most sense with what i know about marathon (not a ton) but given what the UESC is meant to be and what the marathon was and what it meant to the UESC regarding the mida invasion of it

[cursive axle]

i need mandaLORE to cover marathon 4

[sacred wyvern]

FUCK WRONG CHANNEL OOPS ignore that

[rigid bone]

I like how its similar to takov with PMCs and Corps but also not at the same time being sci-fi/other worldy

[digital salmon]

ngl before reading about the lore i thought this game was gonna take place on multiple different planets but now it feels unlikely

[novel sinew]

Is there a good detailed video or something on youtube that explains the lore VERY well, I am new to the series but im very intrigued

[rigid bone]

Imma be real this has to be my top game for lore now its really good

[tender imp]

Holy shit pablo

[coarse fog]

Byf and Jake The Alright has some good lore vids

[novel sinew]

Thank You!!!!!

[dire shard]

hiddenxperia has some amazing vids

[novel sinew]

Thank you as well!!!!

[tame flame]

hiddenxperia for lore only, MandaloreGaming if you want to hear something about the gameplay as well and some good ol' Gianni Matragrano acting

for the latter I suggest M1 -> Pathways into Darkness -> M2 -> M3

[last sparrow]

Genuine question though, is the lore actually coherent? Because I've heard the lore was a Mess in the originals

[primal surge]

It is, and it's not

[last sparrow]

So it's coherent and not a mess?

[subtle wagon]

yes and no

[blazing owl]

From what I know it is coherent for the most part but the third game, Marathon: Infinity goes into parallel timeline type stuff

[torn loom]

When does the new story take place? After Marathon Infinity ?

[primal surge]

The story itself is pretty cut and dry, but it's everything around the story that is veiled in mystery and madness

[blazing owl]

that too yeah

[torn loom]

Durandal is by then far far away

[viral lagoon]

Wait so are the people red names Bungie employees

[primal surge]

No, after M2, Infinity exists... Weirdly in the timeline

[tame flame]

In short, it seems not coherent because you play on 7(?) different timelines and if you go on Hamish's site (marathon.bungie.org/story) you will see that even trying to put it on a scheme is really hard

[lean gate]

for anyone confused, the waking of an ancient primordial being fucks up the timeline and the player travels forwards and backwards in time and through different realities so it makes it harder to give an exact timeline

[upbeat jackal]

It's best if you just play the games or read the terminals online 🙂

[marsh wren]

There's also the fact that you need to pick everything up through terminals that are sometimes really esoteric, really hard to get to, and could mean several different things (gherit white), making the game feel very difficult to understand

[subtle wagon]

after M1, can't be after M2 b/c of ████████

[lean gate]

what interests me is that the original colony had 24,000 inhabitants, but the new colony is listed as having 30,000. hmm..

[torn loom]

Grok says each games has an average of 50 terminals .....

[primal surge]

I mean, timelinewise ARG says it takes place after the happenings of M2, it's also unclear whether the [indescribable noise] gets freed in timeline 1 since the end text makes no mention of it

[digital salmon]

i wanna play the old games and its cool that they're free, but man the gameplay is gonna be ass and the cool lore is all gonna be in text dumps

[primal surge]

Lore is always in text dumps

[covert violet]

if you really don't enjoy the gameplay, you can read all the terminal stuff online anyways

[lean gate]

there are some pretty great lore summaries online if youre interested.

[marsh wren]

You could learn to like it if you give it a shot, and reading them isn't that bad

[rigid bone]

Yes this!

[lean gate]

if this new marathon succeeds, i wonder if we'll get a rework of the original story :3 that'd be pretty sick imo

[rigid bone]

Bungie pls let thier be a marine type runner or at least a skin

[marsh wren]

I'll be honest, I kind of wouldn't want the originals to be touched at risk of changes I disagree with or the recontextualization of the story in ways I don't like, but this is kind of dumb doomer anti-change shit. Would be good to let people experience the story in a way that isn't insanely inaccessible to most

[primal surge]

Honestly, I'd rather see them just do something new than rehash old, risking changing it

[thorny bolt]

remember when noble 1 fucking died after jumping out the pelican and killed the scarab p insane moment from marathon durandal

[primal surge]

Besides, Marathon is so full of interesting unresolved plot threads that tie directly to sol politics and conspiracies surrounding Tau Ceti, that I don't really feel like they need to redo the OGs

[magic scaffold]

Aleph1 mods were so good probably best to leave the originals original and continue with the themes in a new story

[lunar monolith]

the third game shipping with a level editor is lore 💀

[lean gate]

have not gotten to the third game, is there a way to explain how without spoilers?

[magic scaffold]

Mind freak

[dull ocean]

He doesn't really fast-forward it's more of a side step

[cursive axle]

Fnaf dream theory

[lean gate]

yeah this. thanks for clarifying

[primal surge]

Electric sheep

[marsh wren]

Doesn't he go back a little bit? I remember some warps being roughly halfway through M2 but maybe my memory is fucked, please forgive me if I'm wrong

[lunar monolith]

destiny except the traveller isn't helpful

[dull ocean]

I think a remake would be good, but just don't touch the story

[dull ocean]

Yes, he goes just kinda around wherever is convenient. It's more travelling to the last moment in the timeline before it explodes then coherent backwards or forwards

[marsh wren]

Gotcha, thanks, I'm not as much of an encyclopedia on the series as I'd like to be

[fallen hollow]

If you'd like to read more, start here.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon/introduction

[dull ocean]

I've spent a little too much time thinking about this game at this point so no worries

[fickle plume]

Can someone please DM me and explain what this message is about? I'm really confused.

[marsh wren]

Oh shit, haven't seen this link yet, just the marathon.bungie one, thank you

[subtle wagon]

post-rampancy durandal has an existential crisis in the first level

[dull ocean]

What was up with hangar 96?

[worldly canyon]

Escape impossible

[heady scroll]

tchakael I love you please come to brazil

[fallen hollow]

Seven hundred and sixty one armless and legless corpses.
https://marathon.karnemir.com/archive/marathon/despair/where-are-monsters-in-dreams

[magic scaffold]

This is maybe a bit off topic, but do you guys have any book recommendations that match the feel of Marathon?

[twilit bough]

sup guys

is this game like destiny

[oblique cradle]

Sure man

[magic scaffold]

Yeah I have do androids dream of electric sheep on the stack. Might have to investigate further into the author

[graceful rune]

GG, this server has trapped me in, they made a lore channel. I can't escape now.

[unreal mortar]

No not really. Maybe gunplay wise but everything else more like halo

[twilit bough]

oh halo\

[river root]

It's like patrol but you can shoot other players

[dull ocean]

House of Leaves if you want the weirder side of things

[graceful rune]

Ergodic literature in general

[vestal tide]

Neither Marsthon 1994 nor Marathon 2025 share any similarities with Destiny 2 outside of being first person shooters

[twilit bough]

different game entirely

[vestal tide]

Essentially

[short citrus]

Idk Destiny has worms too

[twilit bough]

is it like the finals

[dusk moss]

Isn't it built on the same game engine?

[unreal mortar]

I don't think their is something quite like marathon

[oblique cradle]

[worldly canyon]

There is something similar, read the song of roland

[cursive axle]

destiny has cats too

[austere dune]

If you want something like Marathon then you should check out Dune

[dusk moss]

Destiny also has marathon items in it

[oblique cradle]

They both have colors

[austere dune]

Anything by Jeff Vandermeer

[twilit bough]

is marathon like the finals

[austere dune]

I think The Expanse for the space opera part is good reads. Three Body Problem for time scale stuff and relativity play

[oblique cradle]

Yeah

[magic scaffold]

I’m actually rereading the southern reach trilogy so I can read the 4th book!

[austere dune]

No one can stop him he keeps cranking them out

[marsh wren]

How much direct relevance do the Marathon books (D. Alexander Smith) have to anything? Based off of the (admittedly limited) knowledge I have of it the books seemed largely disconnected from the series, but needing to recite Ozymandias during the ARG when one of the AIs in the third novel is named Ozymandias has me unsure

[vestal tide]

I’m not gonna claim to be a destiny expert or anything like that because frankly it’s not my bag, but wouldn’t it be funny if the worms were what tied these universes together

[magic scaffold]

Honestly I don’t even know if I need exactly the same themes there just feels like there’s a genre of sci-fi we don’t do the same anymore

[austere dune]

It's called political scifi and it requires conceptualizing the demons of today, which for most is a hell of an ask. Not everyone has the firmware to handle thinking about their species place in the timescales that Paul is asked to think

[graceful rune]

Technically one connection in the reference to mida in both, but ya, no connection outside of being FPS games and both being high fantasy / high sci-fi themes

[upbeat jackal]

Ozymandias in Marathon is new. Unclear what further notability it has.

[twilit bough]

are there devs in this discord

[neat fiber]

Neuromancer

[austere dune]

Similar in some way is Ghost In The Shell and altered carbon for the body-play

[primal surge]

Would be funny, but definitely not the case, the wormgods are a bit removed from artificial silkworms

[weak stream]

Everyone gets a cyberworm unlimited data plan for communications

[marsh wren]

Makes sense, saw it on marathon.bungie and thought it was something more, thanks

[primal surge]

However, the traveller is the W'rkncacnter and I will not be changing my mind

[twilit bough]

i wonder if the game will be free to play i doubt it tho most likely a paid game

[austere dune]

Demon Haunted World by Sagan is specifically what I think is most important as a Primer to even begin approaching older scifi, because it requires understanding that the people of that time period were able to contend with those themes in a way that is impossible now

[vestal tide]

That’s what they want you to think

x-files theme

[lime ravine]

the hive to me are more akin to the flickta in marathon

[oblique cradle]

I think it’ll be at least 2$

[fair pier]

what the lore on the cats

[river root]

I think he might be deep in Subnautica 2 (no pun intended) but I would love to see Seth Dickinson write something for Marathon. He nailed what he wrote for D2 and his style would fit like a glove to this universe.

[primal surge]

I've heard 40 bucks be thrown around as the price, but no idea about the source of the info

[austere dune]

Nowadays people are unable to set their own agenda, so they are unable to think of themselves and their space in the grandiose stage of the cosmos. I will not elaborate I've said too much that isn't helpful to the lore of a looter shooter

[graceful rune]

Ya, definetely a good read

[magic scaffold]

All good, absolutely cooking with the recs and perspective

[vestal tide]

The cats are technically clones from SekGen. They contain the consciousness and memories of deceased cats.

[austere dune]

Mona Lisa Overdrive is probably the absolute most Marathon like one since it has more mythos surrounding the AIs

[twilit bough]

what is the lore of this game im in the dark

[austere dune]

Go watch the YouTube vid

[oblique cradle]

Get in the light

[primal surge]

Aliens, AIs, rampancy and the inevitable heatdeath of the universe

[twilit bough]

funny

[vestal tide]

There’s also the theory that the cat in the trailer is Durandal which would be the funniest thing. Escape will make meow god

[fluid ermine]

its very in-depth, but without explaining the history: In Marathon, you are a runner or a hired mercenary working for Traxus International Corporation (TIC), Unknown Acronym Correlation (MIDA), or the United Earth Space Council (UESC) to obtain secrets for valuable technologies like the Sekiguchi biomatas, silkworm technology from Sekiguchi Genetics.

[twilit bough]

sounds fun

[weak stream]

Space Worms have overtaken the planet Gronthomite and your goal is to complete a Marathon off world that somehow saves your planet. Bungie saving the climax of the story for later tho

[odd mountain]

Whats MIDA and why was there a twitter account for that ?

[twilit bough]

bruh im dying to see some gameplay

[weak stream]

Company from Destiny

[fluid ermine]

IDK if you're actually looking for the technologies I listed, they might be old tech, I'm unsure on that.

[austere dune]

Typical bungie shit - you're a super soldier tasked with navigating a bunch of crazy ai's tasks as you fight multiple species of aliens. Ultimately there exists a more primordial, bigger enemy, and you must fight them as well. There's also time paradox play as well as concepts of apotheosis at work, something Bungie doesn't really bring about /too much/ in halo/destiny

[vestal tide]

MIDA is a terrorist(?) group. Of the two non-corpo factions you have the UESC and MIDA, and they’re at war with each other

[fluid ermine]

original Marathon games ^

[primal surge]

A rebel organisation that coup'd mars for 3 months, killed 10% of the population, fell and got integrated into UESC and now rose again as a new rebel organization... Or something

[dull ocean]

MIDA (The one that tweeted) is a terrorist group that doesn't like the government (UESC). Previously MIDA was a larger organization that ran mars for a bit but its now just kinda a weird splinter group.

[primal surge]

MIDA is also an anagram that no one knows the meaning of

[odd mountain]

Why are runners killing eachother ? Can i ask many questions i know almost nothing about the lore

[primal surge]

Mars Is Damnably Arid, perhaps

[fluid ermine]

yeah MIDA started as a rebellion against UESC control, they fought for Martian independence. Now that time has passed and they are involved in terrorist-like actions. They're now an underground type of organization.

[dull ocean]

That's not really known yet. Presumably for recourses or something but runners aren't a thing in og marathon so

[fluid ermine]

Runners are essentially freelance mercenaries working for multiple groups. We know this because of the ARG files recently released.

[odd mountain]

In the first trailer we saw a sfit(?) Are they important in the lore ?

[primal surge]

S'pht, and yes

[stone sorrel]

Yes. 👋

[primal surge]

They're a funny cyborg race that used to be a part of the pfhor (Marathon version of covenant essentially) but Durandal and you help them rebel in M1

[odd mountain]

Whats sekiguchi ?

[fluid ermine]

If I'm not mistaken, Runners are searching for artifacts and secrets that would give their employers technological advancements

[trail oar]

It is. There’s just two retconned endings, and a lot of worldbuilding that leaves most of the detail to the imagination

[fluid ermine]

A Japanese company which invented and produces biomata and silkworm technologies.

[vestal tide]

And the cat

[odd mountain]

So basically in marathon there will be 3 factions MIDA TIC and UESC that will be fighting eachother ?

[dull ocean]

It's coherent but the finer details get a little measy

[trail oar]

Rampancy, the crown jewel of the lore, is intentionally vague to inspire the reader to ask their own existential questions.

[brittle canopy]

I wonder if we as runners will go rampant, if we’re technically mechanical intelligences, or are we more like puppets controlled by a separate brain elsewhere?

[primal surge]

MIDA is on TC for their funny business, UESC, Traxus and Sekiguchi are there cause conspiracies and corpo interests, or something. Not much is known yet

[dull ocean]

Maybe? We just don't know much about new marathon so nobody is sure

[fluid ermine]

a Sekiguchi product called a F.I.D.O (Fully Integrated Digital Organsim) which is a technology that transfers an animals memories, maybe conscious, to a synthetic body. The cat we seen is named Kaal I believe.

[odd mountain]

Have anybody here played the cycle frontier ?

[austere dune]

Martian Independence D_ Army

[lime ravine]

well theres a lot of things mida could stand for like
MASS
INSURRECTION
DISRUPTS
AUTHORITY

[trail oar]

Also important to note: UESC means United Earth Space Command

There is also a UEGovernment/UESGovernent

so UESC: Earth military space authority, not Earth itself

[primal surge]

ARG does somewhat imply that Traxus is there against UESC wishes and they possibly butt heads, sending independent mercs to search for artifacts and stuff, but it's unclear how allegiances will fall

[odd mountain]

Why is the Marathon in an exploded deimos ?

[austere dune]

Traxxus is actually a crate and forklift company, halo 3 told me so

[vestal tide]

Right now with my understanding of how runners work, it’s puppetry. Your consciousness is controlling the runner and for all I know, your body is hooked up to a machine just chilling out.

[dull ocean]

Marathon is Deimos

[fluid ermine]

I'm almost certain it stands for Martian Independence, but IDK what the DA stands for.

[frank haven]

Just watched through Mandalore’s trilogy covering Marathon, I’m so excited to learn more now

[brittle canopy]

Awesome thank u

[primal surge]

Marathon is Deimos, the ship was built into the moon, the new design is not what the original was so unclear why it's falling apart

[lime ravine]

mars residents are poor so they sold the moon to the UESC who turned it into a colony ship

[vestal tide]

I imagine that if they do cutscenes and introduce supporting characters, we’ll see those characters outside of controlling runners

[tawny prism]

I would assume years of war

[brittle canopy]

Was Phobos converted into a ship as well? Were there plans, at least?

[primal surge]

Possibly, but you'd have to use some damn big guns to splinter a moon

[rancid spoke]

Where'd you get "Command" From

[fluid ermine]

Was the game's timeline confirmed, anyone know?

[trail oar]

Sorry, I meant Council

[dull ocean]

Game takes place 100 years after marathon 2

[austere dune]

Reminds me of Knights of Sidonia with respect to moon sized ship

[tawny prism]

Could also be the sharp part in the middle is a new USEC ship sent to investigate.

[vestal tide]

I can’t explain this without also spoiling Marathon infinity

[pearl moon]

so we gonna start when the ais are unshackled and the war sides are confusing?

[trail oar]

Not yet

[fluid ermine]

I mainly ask because of the Nu Traxus food brand we seen in the trailer

[austere dune]

To my knowledge Marathon inf is ambiguous in how you interpret it on purpose

[primal surge]

OG game timeline is:
https://marathon.bungie.org/story/timetable.html

For the new one you'll have to dig into ARG info

[copper pawn]

It was confirmed to be out in 2025 recently

[fluid ermine]

NuCaloric it was called

[austere dune]

Calorie mate mentioned welcome back mgs

[primal surge]

I thought so too until recently, but I saw some leaked artstation renders that essentially confirm it's the marathon redesigned. I'm still huffing copium that it is just a refit or something

[dull ocean]

The only AI that'll probably show up in the game is Tycho

[austere dune]

Tycho mentioned Dive is a great album

[primal surge]

Mmmm, Tycho would be with the Pfhor at this point, assuming we follow the OG timeline

[vestal tide]

I’m not counting out Durandal just by how much we’ve seen “escape will make me god” in the marketing

[austere dune]

Do you think Durandal would draw humans with 5 fingers per hand or more?

[vestal tide]

He’s too advanced to make mistakes

[dull ocean]

Unless they decanonize infinity I doubt durandal will show up, he's essentially a god at this point in the timeline

[hearty talon]

Bungie has us fight gods all the time

[vestal tide]

BUT I think he’d draw more than 5 on purpose just because he can

[dull ocean]

We wouldn't be fighting him is the problem (and also he can't die because of the cannon of infinity)

[primal surge]

Hive and wormgods barely count as gods

[brittle canopy]

Maybe Durandal will be the announcer during game modes?

[scarlet mulch]

I’m daccing it

[fluid ermine]

In one of the terminals in Marathon Infinity, Durandal acted as a cat, but I'm pretty sure he was referring to Schrodinger's cat, maybe Kaal is a reference?

[primal surge]

Just storywise it'd be smarter to leave durandal out of the new marathon games. He's a big can of worms

[dull ocean]

Durandal story is done so he just can't really be a character in nu marathon without screwing up the story of infinity

[violet sapphire]

Durandana back plox ☺️

[trail oar]

Yeah they should just use their new AI and leave the originals to the trilogy

[fluid ermine]

is Nu Marathon just the game's timeline?

[primal surge]

Fruitcake

[vestal tide]

I said this earlier “the cat is durandal” is something that people believe

[dull ocean]

What?

[fluid ermine]

what is nu marathon

[trail oar]

Bogos binted?

[dull ocean]

New marathon, the one that is coming out this year

[primal surge]

Nu marathon is just what some call the new game coming out

[violet sapphire]

Durandal is pretty egotistical and likes appearances so I don’t think he’d jump into a cats body, I wouldn’t put anything past him tho

[dull ocean]

Yeah, I'm guessing the new AIs will be like Traxus or something

[vestal tide]

On the other hand he would curl up next to a dying/dead body

[upbeat jackal]

Take note of this scan result of the Marathon, from 2023 ARG materials:

LIFE SCAN = O 
LIFE SUPPORT = OFFLINE(!) 
AI SUPPORT SCAN = O
.
.
.
ATMO. = HAZARDOUS(!) 
GRAV. = INOPERABLE

[fluid ermine]

I swear I heard somewhere that like 8 AIs were left in Tau-Ceti IV

[trail oar]

No he wouldn’t, he would dispose of it.