🗣marathon-general-chat

[boreal moss]

Im delusional? Coming from a person pulling numbers out of thin air. Save your name calling for the other children 👍

[mental karma]

That’s a fun definition you’re using. You must not have productive arguments.

[soft river]

ive told you twice exactly where i got the numebrs from... but sure.. just making shit up.. are you just willfully ignorant?

[mortal sequoia]

Question what does marathon use all that cpu for?

[boreal moss]

I am no where near the ignorant one here 😭 😭 😭 😭

[verbal junco]

to render the main menu

[mental karma]

Traxus armory.

[mortal sequoia]

Haha accurate, but I meant more like in game. Menu is high performance fr

[boreal moss]

Traxus Hungers

[rapid tide]

"and for adults who need couples counseling" 😂

[boreal moss]

Been fine on my setup and PS5 lowkey.

Pc is 4070 Ti Super
Ryzen 9950x3d
64gb of ram
Etc etc

Base PS5 Model 👍

[vernal tinsel]

I refer to them as debates because the word "argument" carries with it a negative connotation.

[mental karma]

And its denotation is clear: a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view.

Straight from Merriam-Webster.

[mortal sequoia]

You don't get bad frames per second?

[vernal tinsel]

Definition and connotation are two very different things when it comes to being productive in a group environment.

[rapid tide]

when will we get the old destiny meta where people intentionally drop their FPS to like 2-5 because any damage that occurs during lost frames isnt registered

[boreal moss]

120-140 FPS on an UW Monitor. DLSS with DLAA and Smooth Motion enabled in Nvidia App settings has done me well

[dense junco]

guys, does it take the whole team to have all the subroutines to kill the compiler or just one is good to go

[mortal sequoia]

Smooth motion has artifacts though, I do 240 max refresh rate with smooth motion and it's awesome smooth, but has artifacts

[boreal moss]

From what I know and take this with a grain of salt only one person needs all the subroutines

[rapid tide]

Bro has an ARC tag strike him down

[mental karma]

And if you can’t use agreed upon terms or data, then you’re not going to make much progress at all. Argument as a neutral term has been around and in use for a long, long time. Maybe even longer than couple’s counseling.

[rapid tide]

Butter I just ate you on a bagel, you have no right tasting so good

[dense junco]

arc tag and still way better than you

[mental karma]

Salt makes it taste better.

[abstract ice]

I vote to take snipers out of the game

[rapid tide]

Better than me in what sense, because if we're talking billiards yeah I suck

[vernal tinsel]

You must consider not only definition but also connotation when debating with others in order to maintain a productive environment.
Bungie is a business and wants good buainess ideas, not conclusions you came to arguing with your siblings at a dinner table.

We need to focus on more well thought out engagements filled with constructive criticism. Instead i see a lot of mud slinging and bitter arguments here.

[boreal moss]

Haven't noticed any extreme artifacting on my end minus menuing too fast sometimes, to add more to this i have the ROG 4070 Ti Sup, dunno if it makes a difference with performance mode tbh. But I know it's on par with a 5070 TI per personal benching between my brother and I's PCs

[rapid tide]

Ill try that next time

[mortal sequoia]

Artifacts a lot and smudges and blurs stuff in 5090

[boreal moss]

😬

[mental karma]

The fact that you associate it with adults who need couple’s counseling already says plenty. But those are your burdens to bear, not mine.

[hidden shell]

Is enduring supposed to scale off of your attachments value as well? I never realized til just now that it multiplies their value up as well

[digital pelican]

cryo closing at 9 is super weird, definitly should swap at a normal game's reset time like 10am in destiny

[mental karma]

You’re out here eating unsalted butter?

[digital pelican]

get on with the bros and cryo is already gone, who's done gaming by 9pm what da hell

[half tusk]

Ye wish cryo was out all week

[rapid tide]

Nah I use salted lol I thought you meant more salt

[boreal moss]

Aussie spotted

[mental karma]

Too much of a good thing.

[vernal tinsel]

Sorry, i was raised by my grandparents who haven't fought in the 30 years they have been married once.

They "never argue". They may debate something but never to a heated point.

They stressed the importance of proper conduct to me.

[maiden turtle]

never too much salt

[turbid badger]

it’ll be back, gives time to get more gear for it

[mortal sequoia]

Too much information?

[rapid tide]

I bet you 50 bucks they waited for when you werent around to bicker

[humble tiger]

what does this have to do with marathon 💔

[vernal tinsel]

Wasnt for you

[digital pelican]

cryo should not be out all week, it should just be shut off monday at 8am instead of sunday at 9pm. centerpunches the night with a que swap for no reason

[boreal moss]

In the car 🥀

[maiden turtle]

timezone moment

[vernal tinsel]

Nah bro they are actually inhuman, have never seen them at odds once. Its practically insane. Everyone else I know fights at points but they never have.

[boreal moss]

I have to admit 10 AM on my end on a Sunday is fuckin weird

[humble tiger]

when is triage getting a skin that doesn't make him bald 💔

[stiff sparrow]

i, too, dislike bald people

[mental karma]

As mentioned, your burden to bear. Elsewhere, arguments continue to take place in order to advance agendas, refine ideas, defend/prosecute in court, etc.

[digital pelican]

what timezone is it good for

[glacial bane]

triage with broccoli hair would go hard af ngl

[rapid tide]

One of those rare and illusive happy marrages you hear about, I was on Dr Phil show a few times and they had a segment where they asked diff people how long they'd been married, some old chick said 55 years, they asked how she did it, and she said only two words lmao, "separate bedrooms"

[maiden turtle]

na est where bungie hq is based 😭

[humble tiger]

i was thinking more of a funny hat

[digital pelican]

its in washington bro that is my timezone

[mortal sequoia]

Or maybe 1 bedroom and 1 garage

[glacial bane]

like a sombrero

[maiden turtle]

whoops i forgot its washington 😭

[digital pelican]

their home turf is 9pm sunday ahahahah thats such a bizarre time to shut off the cryo map que. legit dead center of gaming night

[maiden turtle]

theres no way thats when it happens

[glacial bane]

9pm is when i turn on my computer

[digital pelican]

? yup thats when it happens

[boreal moss]

Do you mean 9am?

[mortal sequoia]

Tim Apple what fps are you getting in marathon and what do you think about the player count

[boreal moss]

I swear im not schizophrenic I know it shuts down in the morning and im an hour ahead

[glacial bane]

100fps, dont care about player count

[digital pelican]

i was playing cryo, took an hour break or so, and came back to ranked que

[digital pelican]

dunno what to tell ya maybe im in a temporal anomoly. was playin then it shut off rip

[boreal moss]

10 AM PT brother 🥀 not PM

[steep widget]

hey so. why is the [selection pressures 4/4] (NuCal) still not workin ? did 3 runs today and couldnt get the sample. its also everytime on the same spot :/

[boreal moss]

Thats the sample in Bio right? Unsure if it's a bug or other people grabbing it causing it to bug out. Been a while since I have done it so take that with a grain of salt.

Can't rmbr if it's contested or nah

[indigo ingot]

Looking for 1more guy to run Dire. Dm if interested

[gloomy nova]

Just did a solo crew fill, made it through the whole run and I killed all the bots that dropped on the guarded exfil, then my teammate got sniped the second exfil started to countdown while I was invis on it. Literally froze so I threw my smoke prime on point and clutched my bully against my chest, didnt even look at my randoms, didnt have the heart. Am I going to Cyber-Hell?

[dawn owl]

no

[turbid badger]

We all are. Do not worry

[gloomy nova]

I felt so bad... :<

[dawn owl]

they had free kit anyway

[turbid badger]

From a certain perspective, we are already there. What is Tau Ceti anyway? A place where we go to die over and over and over and there is no escape.

[glacial bane]

what do runners do to relax

[vernal tinsel]

This isnt court and the arguments we have need to be more constructive but youll find a way to argue that instead of making note of the obvious

[turbid badger]

they don’t at least not yet

bungie said they were thinking about adding a social area but currently according to the lore, we are effectively kept in a liminal state between runs as kind of just a brain in a computer waiting to get uploaded again.

[vernal tinsel]

NAH LITERALLY they have always slept in seperate bedrooms (he snores)

[glacial bane]

should bungie make a social hub for runners

[dawn owl]

they pick rook, place some claymores on an exfil and wait

[glacial bane]

sounds horrible

[lofty wedge]

guys what is the count of teams in outpost duo ?

[stray peak]

convey request just lowered a container, dude in RANKED was like wwoooooooow what is it. I m done, this community is just mmmua

[turbid badger]

4 including you i think

[mental karma]

The obvious would need to be agreed upon before anything more constructive. Like definitions.

[turbid badger]

and yeah it’s not a pleasant existence. but you signed up for it, and now every runner has an insurmountable debt to CyAc

[heavy stream]

is there a way to check my latency to other players or the game server?

[glacial bane]

I think they should make a skatepark-esque social training room for players to practice parkour and shooting moving targets and shoot the shit with each other

[stray peak]

thats only my randoms need it, enemy randoms are fine

[glacial bane]

why would you do that though. what is the goal and/or incentive to do such a thing

[mental karma]

The company dental plan must be amazing.

[glacial bane]

fair enough

[vernal tinsel]

Some people really need to study connotations and their impact on a working enviroment

[spring fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-11954040389595096870

[turbid badger]

Why Indeed, that is a good question and maybe something to think about. Maybe you were trying to get away from something and only signing on with one of these mega corporations was the way to escape it.

[glacial bane]

do digital teeth get cavities

[timid rain]

Is Ranked live again?

[glacial bane]

can you ever get out of that deal

[mental karma]

And some people need to not glue emotions and their personal history on every word. Denotations are similarly important, like hard data is able to be presented much more succinctly and concretely than vibes.

[golden narwhal]

Im looking for some people play marathon with

[mental karma]

Don’t forget to select the runners role so the looking for group sections become visible.

[turbid badger]

if I recall correctly, they mention at the very beginning that the debt is something that’s probably impossible for you to pay off

[sage lintel]

I don't play 😫

[turbid badger]

think like trillions of dollars. I think these bio bodies are like 63 trillion each or something.

[mental karma]

We’re probably indentured servants forever. But Traxus offers excellent financial compensation. Probably.

[golden narwhal]

I then what are you gonna discord

[mental karma]

Not playing Bungie’s latest offering doesn’t mean you’re excluded. There’s even the past works, lore, and art to contemplate.

[glacial bane]

so it's a social commentary on student debt

[stiff sparrow]

surely thraxus mother has enough money to buy me out..

[mental karma]

You’ll probably pay off the student debt eventually. And you probably won’t have to work from beyond the grave.

Yet.

[turbid badger]

i’m pretty sure every body that we use gets added to the total bill so it’s like oh yeah I exfiltrated with 20,000 credits that surely going to pay off the debt for the last four bodies I used

[cold kelp]

Yeah and it's like 4 trillion each

[digital pelican]

Traxus is broke tho

[stiff sparrow]

aawww mannnn... im fr gonna be eternally owned by the least interesting faction? Well, after NuCaloric. Thats just Nestle

[mental karma]

All of those shells I wasted trying to desperately run solo to complete convoluted contracts ()? Eleventy septillion, probably.

[sage gust]

Are the servers suffering right now? 2 laggy games back to back

[digital pelican]

Plug in yo ethernet

[sage gust]

always on ethernet

[glacial bane]

insane flex

[mental karma]

NuCaloric sounds more altruistic and ethical after absorbing everyone. There was a lore blurb about the founder being worryingly generous.

[digital pelican]

Cat5 legend

[sage gust]

They got to you too...

[glacial bane]

cat4 is good enough

[stiff sparrow]

never trust a corpo, they alwways have ultrior motives, it sure as frick wasnt outta the goodness of his heart

[cold kelp]

If you're lagging it's because of the low amount of players in your area playing

[manic perch]

honestly the commentary in this game is so awesome im so happy we made it here

[mental karma]

How about the goodness of their patch kits and shield charges?

[manic perch]

anyone know whats up with footsteps not making sound sometimes though?

[stiff sparrow]

depleted, perhaps....

[mental karma]

Barter for the good stuff!

[turbid badger]

except they also own almost all of the buildings and equipment throughout the entire colony not just making food. They pretty much had a monopoly over a lot of the tech.

[stiff sparrow]

i wanna barter for my soul but Oni keeps insisting that woman i see when i close my eyes is not my mother

[cold kelp]

Who is that in your pfp? It looks like someone from pt8

[drifting prawn]

anyone have an isse with launchin marathon? as soon as i launch it it black screens

[manic perch]

Kaato, mama Higashikata

[mental karma]

But they’re at least looking out for the common worker in some fashion — even if it is because it is their main market. Can you imagine if Arachne made foodstuffs?

[turbid badger]

pork rinds

[stiff sparrow]

we'd be eating rat poison

[mental karma]

Long pork sandwiches. Now in blue.

[frail moss]

As someone who does only have 2 hours a day to possibly play , I feel like when seasons are reset you should have an option to keep 1 faction at it current level or status, a bonus to all players who choose to reset all factions with increase in vault space or other things would be a great incentive to balance everything out

[turbid badger]

if I recall correctly, we don’t know exactly how the reset is going to hit us so we don’t know how the factions will be affected entirely

[unborn sundial]

u all asking for stuff for wipe when u dont even know what they’ve got in mind yet for it

[mental karma]

No one is keeping Sekiguchi then, I suspect.

[sharp vale]

Bro why everyone complaining that the game is too sweaty is such a crybaby just git gud

[manic perch]

no one complaining though...

[sharp vale]

"OH MY GOD BRO THIS GAME IS GOING TO FAIL BECAUSE I CANT LAND TWO BULLETS"

[cold kelp]

Probably talking about Twitter or Reddit

[turbid badger]

i enjoy the difficulty

[manic perch]

mb and yes i think the difficulty is lowkey the draw compared to other extraction shooters, plus its artstyle, themes, etc

[sharp vale]

Yes and just general discourse about the game's mass appeal sry if it was too ooc to the current convo

[turbid badger]

it hurts when i lose but oh does it feel good when i win

[mental karma]

I will catch all of the bullets with my face. One day, I hope to be more competent and a valuable asset to even Arachne on occasion.

[cold kelp]

Not complaining but I've noticed my gun dueling skills in this game feel really lackluster due to high ttk (opponents w purple just turn corner/return to cover) or getting the jump on ppl in unfair advantages

[verbal junco]

this poor fill teammate, gets killed, they dont take any of his loot except the drives he needs for a quest. on the way to final exfill we kill those same people, but there is no time to get his drives and he misses the final exfil by a second or 2. big F

[sharp vale]

But it'd be worse with lower ttk

[mental karma]

If you show up to a fair fight in an extraction shooter, I feel like something has gone terribly wrong.

[manic perch]

i feel like ttk is good and gunfights depend heavily on map knowledge/positioning (sound cues too)

[tawdry oak]

Ttk is great imo

[cold kelp]

In cryo there's lots of stalemates/opportunities to reset into stalemate

[sharp vale]

People should understand that in an extraction shooter you need to know what fights to fight and which ones to not fight/ deengage

[manic perch]

some guns also are insane in defensive situations vs playing agressively (shotguns)

[tawdry oak]

I like the fact you can be literally killed in one shot and skill issue deal with it
It's meant to be ruthless out there

[mental karma]

We (in general) hate disengaging on principle, though. Probably from experience in other FPS genres.

[forest fox]

if i spawn with the CE on rook im just leaving and looking for another match i just dont care

[misty needle]

guys where can i farm volatile compounds

[sharp vale]

Yeah true but still, if youre carrying a free kit and u hit someone and the gold shield marker shows up maybe dont stay in the fight lol

[urban wraith]

Bro get off perimeter, with your purple gear and take it to dire you pub stomping pansies

[manic perch]

gotta req until u get punch...

[sharp vale]

The ce isnt bad at all tho ive been close to wipe entire squads with it (down 2 and 3rd one kills me)

[half tusk]

I be running gold on perimeter

[agile storm]

wasssaaaaaaahhh dudes? I am new to the server and game, any advice is appreciated.

[manic perch]

the scariest players are always the ones confident to reposition and take midrange fights when i crack them tbh

[mental karma]

Our random crew fill of all free kits were meandering around Perimeter and nearly got instantly wiped out by the pre-nerf goo gun. Suddenly, green grenades.

It was one of the few times everyone agreed to reposition.

[half tusk]

If u want really good loot play ranked and cryo

[sharp vale]

I have a slight feeling the goo gun is a bit too op lmao

[manic perch]

bruh

[unborn sundial]

why perimeter has good fights

[mental karma]

You might need more than depleted patch kits, all the king’s horses, and all the king’s men to recover from that, yes.

[manic perch]

EXACTLY

[half tusk]

Besides those 2 things the loot sucks those 2 things r the only thing that make the game worth it for me at least

[true escarp]

Never doing random fills again. I wiped a team of purple/gold and these dudes took my gold after I called dibs on it........ Like dang I did all the work and here comes loot goblins

[manic perch]

aint no way we playing the same game

[half tusk]

Running pinwheel for nothing but blues and mby a purple sucks

[sharp vale]

The fact it has a grenade launcher mode should be enough to be a gold/red weapon lol the fact that it has a ttk of 1-2s is too much

[manic perch]

pinwheel is giving me golds and purps...

[turbid badger]

oh my favorite I was doing a match and I got down and killed, and the triage went to my loot box took everything out of it, and then revived me.

i left immediately after that

[sharp vale]

Happened to me man some people are so nasty

[mental karma]

The face-melting power is excellent incentive.

[turbid badger]

I didn’t even have anything good. They just took my stuff so I had no weapons no ammo nothing it was like thanks we just started and you took all my stuff.

[mental karma]

They’re not walking away with anything you brought in, though. Unless they don’t exfil.

[half tusk]

Only thing pinwheel is good for is cryo keys besides that Ive looted it like 5000 times and only got 1 gold

[sharp vale]

Once i was in a filled game and we were tight on time. We activated a guarded exfil last minute and we left it activated for some seconds until one of us left some stuff in a dcon for a quest. The other guy ran into the exfil without saying anything, we couldnt get in, didnt have time to get to final exfil and lost everything

[turbid badger]

that didn’t matter it’s not like I had anything good it’s just that they completely disarmed me so it’s like OK now that you’ve revived me. I cannot participate in battle. I can’t heal myself. I don’t have any ammo in the one gun you left me so I just can’t do anything now.

[true escarp]

Even if they exfil it's considered borrowed lmfao he gets it back

[manic perch]

those commanders are dropping HEAT for me i wish u luck on finding better loot fr

[vernal loom]

any sniffers in the chat

[stiff sparrow]

hi

[half tusk]

Thx but cryo is where it's at 1 run in cryo is worth 150 hrs of looting pinwheel in my experience

[manic perch]

this is true...

[true escarp]

I stole someone's red cryo key with thief I bet he was heated!!!! Lmfao

[mental karma]

Ah, yes, that is a different scenario. Guess they wanted you to be ablative armour or the knife master.

[turbid badger]

lmao

[cloud lynx]

That's a pretty funny troll tho.
Imagine being so poor u gotta take a man's free kit. 🤣

[chrome rover]

Is there any way to make a report to get gear back i had.a teammate yelling in open mic my location once I had good loot and led a rook to my location to kill me and then proceeded to give my loot away and not revive.

[true escarp]

By season 2/3 there will be a lot more people better at cryo map so will be easier to find a group

[manic perch]

cryo so cool... the area is like real vibes

[true escarp]

I don't listen that bullshit

[turbid badger]

getting gear back, prob not, but you can report on the first results screen or mid match by selecting their profile

[mental karma]

Nona told me that we’re her greatest creations, so we’ll probably reach season two.

[woeful obsidian]

anyone know the specifics of getting the thief mastery for stealing a self revive?

[vernal loom]

are you really Thief?

[stiff sparrow]

I am. I'm the Real Thief Marathon

[mental karma]

I heard it from Fear that we’re going to make it to season two!

[vernal loom]

can you introduce me to Recon?

[stiff sparrow]

I can try but she doesn't like people. If you can believe it

[turbid badger]

stop being a weirdo dude

[true escarp]

Was the compiler gun exploit fixed yet?

[mental karma]

Yes. Probably will be subject to further tweaking, however.

[true escarp]

Anyone got any ideas to convince my boys to play this game instead of dumbass ark? I tried everything lmfao

[mental karma]

Unless like the lore, setting, or aesthetics? Depends on how hard they like to try to win. Arc usually tends to lean a bit more heavily on the PvE side and some players enjoy that aspect more.

[cold kelp]

Buy them the game

[mellow pivot]

vandal took all of the silk

[vernal loom]

I hope she will like me!!

[analog heath]

Anyone wanna play later

[stiff sparrow]

What music do you like?

[mighty vine]

I have not seen any non bias arc raiders take properly "PVE centered casual game" Arc raiders its own difficult extraction shooter n this playerbase acting like they dont spend 70 % of the game shooting uesc😭

[forest fox]

pvp players in arc spend a total of 0% shooting bots/ arc whatever u wanna call it because in arc raiders you can see how much damage you do to bots if u need proof lmfao

[cold stump]

i genuinely get more runner kills than bots

[forest fox]

you can see this at end screen too and I also do the same lmfao

[turbid badger]

for sure easy to avoid bots and take out the basic ones that get in the way, meanwhile raiders announce their death loot with flares

[cold stump]

arc has a rep for being a pve game because of how forgiving it is, how abmm disincentivizes pvp, and them removing pvp challenges

[forest fox]

if you spend 70% of the time shooting bots i promise you might be missing something

[cold stump]

can you imagine all of arachne's contracts being switched to kill bots

[sullen lagoon]

I spent 70% of my time shooting bot but that's just because I loose all pvp fight

I never get to shoot players I die before I can do so

[cold stump]

killing more bots increases your chances of dying to players

[forest fox]

ABMM is what made all the arc babies and pves what they are today. they gave them an inch and they took a mile

[cold stump]

a lot of the time its better to stealth around the pve because the real danger is just gonna be ppl

[analog heath]

Guys who wants to play layer

[cold stump]

if i play any more marathon today i might perish

[sharp crest]

youre not wrong but im going to shoot bots because its fun

[daring canyon]

Guys the generator strat is it working or patched ?

[chrome rover]

Might need to give this game a break for a bit 🙁

[dark sun]

as long as you understand the consequences lol. Knifing them is quieter.

[cold stump]

i like the bots i get distracted by admiring their stagger animation

[leaden birch]

Can we have PVE mode?
NO!
Can we have Friendly mode?
NO!
Can we get Solo End game?
NO!
Can we get PC-only lobbies?
NO!
Can we get Skill Based Match Making?
NO!
Can we get Gear Based Match Making?
NO!
Can we at least keep Free Kits?

NO! NO! NO! GO BACK TO ARC RAIDERS!! THIS GAME ISN'T FOR YOU!!
-PvP Centrics-

[cold stump]

i dont think anybody is saying to get rid of free kits

[forest fox]

pc only lobbies is the only thing thats good there 😭

[dark sun]

some people have actually suggested limiting the number of free kits you can run per day. terrible suggestion imo.

[cold stump]

pc only lobbies would actually obliterate console queue times idk how i feel about it

[mellow fulcrum]

Take care of yourself friend and make sure you take time to refresh and reset

[sullen lagoon]

I'd just like free kits to be all put in the same teams

[cold stump]

they're not even strong enough to warrant limiting them, if you want to curate your teammates' kits then lfg

[forest fox]

the issue with free kits is that they leave the game when they die sometimes and we have no way of punishing that

[sullen lagoon]

The thief/assassin who run off alone, die and instant disconnect

[mellow fulcrum]

Not every free kit player does so

[cold stump]

if you wanna balance free kits then all of the free kit strength shouldn't be consolidated in just the mida one, have a variety of free kits with various power levels

[forest fox]

just make it so u cant go free kit if u leave during a run <3 maybe for like 5-15 min

[dark sun]

this is also not limited to free kit teammates unfortunately lol

[sharp crest]

my pro tip is have two friends

[mellow fulcrum]

I'm one of them and always stay until squad wipe

[leaden birch]

honestly? a lot of what PvP-centrics hate about the game, we PvE-centrics hate the EXACT SAME THING

the only difference? PvE-centrics want to bring people into the game via PvE-centric updates

PvP-centrics just want players to leave the game and not return

[cold stump]

they should bring people in with pvp updates to the pvp game

[sullen lagoon]

Yeah but at least I have the satisfaction that the idiot just wasted gear

[forest fox]

its not entirely wrong to think pvp players want pve players to go find another game because it just means that when PVE players get what they want it splits the playerbase and also causes the game to change just to change for pve players

[cold stump]

yea if you are genuinely not enjoying the game you should not be playing it, thats just some basic thing

[sharp crest]

i love the contract system, as long as we have clear progression that isnt 100% tied to your round performance i will never be salty about losing

[unborn sundial]

holy projection

[dark sun]

that's true. Love when someone runs off on their own with no comms, and then waits until the end of the match to call me and my buddy idiots on voice. Hello? we've been talking on mic the whole time hombre.

[forest fox]

agreed you really shouldnt be begging for an almost ground up rework of how Marathon works because of some PVE :(

[magic rose]

Rooks are overtuned in Outpost

[turbid badger]

lol

[mellow fulcrum]

I think the thing folks fail to do sometimes is remember that it is just a game, if it's causing you to crash out and just not enjoy it, put it down take some time to reset and come back at a later time

[cold stump]

how so?

[magic rose]

Just too many

[sharp crest]

nuance is dead and social media rewards the loudest opinions

[turbid badger]

we are legion

[forest fox]

the PVE players dont enjoy it and want to change it and thats just toxic imo

[cold stump]

their spawns correlate with how many dead people there are

[sullen lagoon]

500 rooks swarming pinwheel, devouring all loot they can, obliterate them on sight before they run off with all the purple stuff

[turbid badger]

i need a gun capable of taking down 30-50 feral rooks

[thin anchor]

Mornin chat 🗽

[low palm]

yo runners where do we add suggestions?

[true escarp]

@cold kelp I tried they still don't lmfao

[dark sun]

#1478943087957905550 #1478943000792006768

[tight spade]

If you dont want rooks, Then dont wipe the lobby instantly. Let people do other shit in the map and less rooks spawn. 🤷‍♂️

[dark sun]

personally I'd rather deal with more rooks than another squad running around but that's just me

[mellow fulcrum]

I mean yes, unfortunately you are correct. @forest fox I would put myself in the catergory of a PVE focussed player for the most part, but I will say I do enjoy the PVP aspect of the game, I am aware of the fact that I probably have a massive skill gap when it does come to the PVP side of things but honestly if I find myself getting tilted I just fuck off and do something else

[true escarp]

If I ape the lobby the rooks getting aped too

[turbid badger]

enjoy dealing with 4 rooks with claymores, WSTRs and nothing to lose

[low palm]

thx, was hoping to suggest a on/off button for auto vaulting after a raid, and also a seect all and multi select button.

[austere cloak]

Sorry for the wall of text but this was WILD. I did my first run in a rook shell last night, absolutely terrifying. Started with a light pistol. Hid near a supply drop area hoping to scavenge what was left behind. Then I thought I would help out and soften up the turrets on the tick infested building while keeping a very respectful distance. I got a sniper round through the chest for my efforts. Sprinted away as fast as I could, used a patch kit and popped a shield charge after getting behind a rock. I assumed they would leave me alone since I was just a helpless little rook with a pistol. I was wrong. Just as I was back at full health and 1 shield bar I hear footsteps getting closer. Get sprayed with bullets, I start running for my life. Manage to get some distance after a while and heal again, still running. Then a turret starts taking pot shots at me, but I pop another patch kit and keep running. Manage to escape the turret only to be swarmed by ticks. I take a few out but get blasted by one and keep running. Another sniper round hits and pops my shield and drops me back down to 1/4 health. Blue shell juice is covering my eyes, and its pouring rain. Take cover behind a rock and pop another patch kit and shield charge, then keep running because I can hear footsteps again. Try to dive behind a rock to give me cover while I keep running and narrowly avoid getting struck by lightning. Still running for my life but now I realize I've been corralled into a corner with no way out. They've been hunting me, running me down like an animal with ruthless, unyielding, brutal precision, and now there's nowhere left to run. The sniper takes another shot and narrowly misses. I'm cowering behind a rock in terror and start desperately pinging the "friendly" message on the rotary menu and I'm just saying "[FRIEND! - FRIEND! - FRIEND!]" over and over in that mechanical voice as a runner jumps on top of me and plunges a knife into my chest. It was absolutely insane.

[calm wren]

Where best place to find Blue Thoughtwave Lens, Dire Quaranteen not give very many, sometime cant find

[magic rose]

Yeah, there are too many

[tight spade]

Rooks are often more agressive, and spawn with claymores. and sometimes your teammates are shit and die to a rook with a shotgun while you are waiting for a res. 🤣

[turbid badger]

weak. see what you should be doing is killing them and shouting friend friend friend over and over again right as you execute them.

[dark sun]

holy toledo.

[cold stump]

mida rank up rewards

[low palm]

if you track it, it will show on any map where to find

[forest fox]

genu just unlucky i find atleast two each time

[tight spade]

Also, Go play ranked no rooks there.

[turbid badger]

cheaters instead

[magic rose]

I'm not solo queueing in ranked

[calm wren]

may be I not know all the floor loot spots, I will try some more

[cold kelp]

What do they like about arc?

[soft plank]

Does duos change hm teams spawn on each map?

[leaden birch]

like i've said a bunch of times, this game IS NOT the hot sh!t anyone thought it'd be, it's unfortunate, but you need to be realistic

PvE-centrics : let's make pve-updates so the game doesn't continue to die

PvP-centrics : no, i'd rather the game die in S2 before having * OPTIONAL * pve-updates

that's where we're at, even if bungie eats the 200m loss in money, the game will be socially dead before S3
pick your poison

[austere cloak]

yes

[upbeat lance]

lmk when u find out

[tight spade]

I mean its a extraction shooter. They all have cheaters. Cause people are stupid and pay for cheats.

[soft plank]

Do you happen to know hm teams spawn on each map for duos by chance?

[true escarp]

@cold kelp the casual bullshit lmfao

[turbid badger]

yeah just bungie hasn’t patched the game to take care of em yet so it is real bad atm

[cold stump]

game is hot shit i love it

[tight spade]

Well then go solo. No rooks there either.

[calm wren]

ay ay captain

[austere cloak]

Not sure but I saw someone mention it yesterday and I think it may have been 5 or 6?

[whole ledge]

Kill the rooks

[leaden birch]

"projection"

you do not know the definition of the word you are using

for ME to projecting, i would secretly have to be a PvP-centric ALSO wanting to have players leave the game and not return, and PROJECT that onto other people so that THEY (instead of me) get the negative consequences of those thoughts/feelings/actions

so no, NOT PROJECTION at all

[scenic meteor]

Its 6 or 7 i think

[calm wren]

i will probably forgot, hornet 👍

[turbid badger]

yeah rooks are only in trio maps, so going solo will remove them entirely

[tight spade]

Rude, You should kidnap a rook and have them help you with eusc.

[dark sun]

when they say hot shit in this context they mean commercial success I assume. I agree the game is sick, other people are simply wrong for not seeing it xd

[soft plank]

Hmm ok, should be different for every map unless they switched how they spawn for duos, thank you for the info!

[mellow fulcrum]

I really hope it doesn't die because it's scratching the itch in PVE and PVP that Destiny 2 used to fill

[upbeat lance]

all good little knight ahaha

[whole ledge]

You and I both know that ain't happening hahaha

[cold kelp]

This game is better than d2 already

[cold stump]

game was never gonna be pulling crazy numbers its gonna be a cult classic

[tight spade]

You have too much aggression

[sharp crest]

dont worry as long as the gameplay is fun and servers are on there will be a community. the game feels great to play thats what will keep people on / coming back for updates

[whole ledge]

Hey it's how Traxus wins sometimes

[dark sun]

Possibly. I think bungie / sony were expecting more though. We'll see how it plays out, I'm going to continue to play and recommend to people and continue to hope for more support.

[true lava]

Hahaha people still coping in here

[cold stump]

genuinely people have no idea what bungie or sony were expecting

[timid gazelle]

If layoffs happen it will blast away support too: people only defend Bungie because when they were 8 years old Timmy in class who loved Playstation said “PS2 wins the console wars” and Bungie defenders said “Nuh uh we have HALO!”.

Arguing with a person’s religious beliefs they’ve had convictions in since middle school is pointless usually.

[tight spade]

Cult classic and multiplayer doesnt usually work out to well.

[austere cloak]

I need to figure out how to condense my first rook run into a shorter format because I was NOT prepared for the absolute unrelenting savage hatred against rooks and its genuinely hilarious what happened

[true escarp]

Game will not die lmfao

[cold stump]

halo custom games is a cult classic

[whole ledge]

Yea I just don't trust them ever, including my boss who despises them

[mental karma]

At the very least, I would assume they wanted a profitable product. How profitable is another question.

[dark sun]

I mean we know they were expecting positive ROI lol. Without knowing the financials though anyone is just speculating.

[tight spade]

Halo is also not a extraction shooter.

[leaden birch]

shareholders were expecting 4m copies sold at launch (to warrant adding funding to immediate, seasonal updates) and 11m by next year (to warrant adding funding for future developments of the game)

they got about a QUARTER of those projected sales, and almost, quite literally, "nobody" is buying the game post launch, and the Cash Shop is about 90% sh!t if i'm being honest

the game is a niche masterpiece, but that doesn't grow a business, it kills one

[mental karma]

We are rife with speculation here. Riddled with it, even.

[cold stump]

what would that entail that changes things

[sharp crest]

hunt showdown started with far less players and over years is now like triple its original playerbase

[dark sun]

is that documented in sony's financials somewhere?

[cold stump]

was also made by a AAA studio

[tight spade]

Low barrier to entry. matches only need the time of themselves as investment. No need to farm or find or get gear etc.

[true escarp]

Kisskay works for ign I assume lmfao

[calm wren]

poor bunger

[unborn sundial]

You are projecting intent onto so called PvP centric players that they want you and people like you to be gone because you are insecure about being a so called PvE centric player

[leaden birch]

it has been proven via AA that the game, at the VERY LEAST POSSIBLE AMOUNT, cost 250,000,000 american dollars, with an upwards maximum ceiling of 475,000,000 american dollars (with marketing)

the sales projections were released be verified ex-employee accounts on reddit

[true escarp]

Well he/she is def insecure we see that lmfao

[mental karma]

I trust Reddit implicitly.

[tight spade]

According to what? Steamdb shows it peaked 1.7 years ago.

[cold stump]

i dont see how a game's accessibility changes its reception in hindsight by those who are already on board

[timid gazelle]

Yeah this tanked on the market, I did think this was layoff slop when I first saw gameplay, they did improve a lot since I first found out about the game though

[leaden birch]

i'm not going to bother even spending effort you on

if you truly believe that people don't spend all day, every day, telling pve players to "GO BACK TO ARC RAIDERS" i can only assume the worst about your over-all intelligence here

but that's just my opinion, so i'm leaving that where it lies, and finding conversation elsewhere

[warm hull]

i love coming here to say hi to fellow marathon enjoyers, but am met with constant "projections" and doomposting

[frail dagger]

I like this game, but 70-100 fps on my $4k rig and 240hz monitor feels really bad

[scenic meteor]

Hunt showdown been out for about 7 years

[mellow fulcrum]

Hello fellow Marathon enjoyer

[true lava]

When kisskay says basic numbers and everyone shits themselves and starts insulting them because they realize kisskay is correct and it makes them ANGY

[thin anchor]

Magical isn't it

[dark sun]

I'm not sure I believe those numbers and would prefer to see actual financial materials or earnings call discussions. I work in finance I'm not going to implictly believe reddit posts and back of the napkin math.

That said I don't think you're wrong, I think they were hoping for it to be more financially successful than it has been. How badly it missed is another question.

[warm hull]

Hi

[mental karma]

Lotta people playing the predictions betting market is my personal favourite conspiracy theory.

[calm wren]

I cant count past 7

[cold kelp]

Haha yeah I think the abysmally bad performance is partially to blame for this games reception

[unborn sundial]

dang that shit really got to you huh. Must be on the money. Self reflect.

[mellow fulcrum]

How were your runs today comrade?

[warm hull]

bro like if the game dies it dies if it doesn't it doesn't do these people have nothing better to do all day?

[tight spade]

Neat so it peaked and then lost half the playerbase.

[mental karma]

I was embraced with warm lead and jazzy volt projectiles.

Edit: And more than a few grenades from UESC, now that I think about it.

[cold kelp]

Hunt is so good, this guy had to come into marathon general to share how good it was!

[dark sun]

sounds cozy

[thin anchor]

They don't lol

[warm hull]

i haven't started yet, been at work, excited to ruin people's days

[mellow fulcrum]

OMG Samesies

[red prawn]

I love pvp reasons why when I had no idea how the pve side of the game worked I still got my vault up cause I took from other players. But I do agree more pve updates will be nice too.

[cold kelp]

we need to see you blacked

[sweet citrus]

my lil brother bought marathon on his ps5 and is using the account i used to play destiny 2 on, but my steam is linked to that ps5 account, how can we play together it doesnt let us unlink?

[warm hull]

I mean to be honest though i'm not surprised. Internet culture is full of mouth breathers

[cold kelp]

Meds

[mellow fulcrum]

You need to make a new account for your little bro

[slender forge]

is the game down rn

[thin anchor]

Fr fr. In my experience it's best to just vibe and let the chaos wash over you

[calm wren]

ay

[unborn sundial]

LMAO what are you talking about

[cold kelp]

Meds

[sweet citrus]

like on bungie ?? or ps5??

[mellow fulcrum]

Both

[leaden birch]

bungie has a record of specifically NEVER releasing 100% proof of their financial records on their games, and SONY is the only parent-company to ever do so (the 200,000,000 loss on Destiny 2, which is why it is effectively cancelled)

SONY might released 100% proof for marathon, but bungie itself has always kept that info hush hush for nearly 40 years; however, this game has SONY's name on it, and is absolutely failing financially, so they might not even bother

[unborn sundial]

this is extremely unhinged behavior

[mental karma]

While Arachne does not care how Runners are skinned, they do award style points.

[timid gazelle]

Can I just say that marketing is basically worthless for a game? Like it’s so fucking pathetic, always beaten by games with no marketing, always that WOM is how you find out about a game.

1-3% should go to marketing, market at like 2 events to create WOM.

Schedule 1 $0 marketing and like 14m copies sold, same with Slay The Spire both version, etc etc etc

Marketing is a useless slopartist position that only exists because dumb boomers run companies like Bungie

[true lava]

Grow a pair of nuts

[slender forge]

am i mutted

[cold kelp]

Meds

[unborn sundial]

hope she picks you champ

[true escarp]

Kisskay is probably one of those people that think transgender is another separate gender itself smfh

[austere cloak]

guys if instead of saying the games gonna die even if your trying to be realistic you instead told someone to try the game, the game would have twice as many players

[warm hull]

its hard when you're in a game themed discord to find people to play with or to talk about the mutual interest but you have total chuds saying how shit the game is or how dead it's gonna be

[cold kelp]

Meds

[timid gazelle]

Get back on your meds, marketing should be 40% of a budget!

[thin anchor]

Y'all always jump straight to trans and gay shit. Y'all are stale as fuck.

[true lava]

I hope bungie can also pay me a salary to defend this game on discord all day, must be nice

[dark sun]

this chat just devolving into personal insults over stupid arguments

[cold stump]

marketing is literally one of the most important thing's for a game's success, even indie developers would tell you that

[stray wadi]

just like the arc raiders chat lmao

[mellow fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[sharp crest]

I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Arachne, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Perimeter, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this moon. You think you can get away with saying that to me over the Internet? Think again, runner. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of rooks across the solar system and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm

[cold kelp]

Meds
@true lava meds

[thin anchor]

Just ignore em broski. Idk what else to tell ya

[red prawn]

The game is amazing and I don’t think they planned a hardcore extraction shooter to hold 200k+ players on steam alone. I’ve seen a lot of people hate on this game solely because it’s an extraction and you lose gear upon death.

[mental karma]

I somehow doubt those with the loudest criticisms are going to give the game free positive advertising. Negative attention? More expected.

[cold stump]

for debut indie devs, marketing is literally half the battle, the other half is actually making the game 💀

[timid gazelle]

Nope, they would not, how did you find out about this game? Be honest

[unborn sundial]

You are genuinely schizophrenizing at this point

[cold stump]

from the marketing bruh im not around anyone that likes extraction shooters

[true lava]

Even the LFG is dead as shit now it’s kinda sad to watch everything die in real time slowly

[magic rose]

I mean even when I play Rook, there are too many Rooks on outpost

[mental karma]

I started browsing Steam for extraction shooters after Tarkov.

[cold stump]

i found out about arc raiders from the marketing too before the bandwagon started

[timid gazelle]

Really, you, an admitted fan of Bungie since age 6 did not know about Bungie’s huge game?

[cold kelp]

I found out about arc raiders because of marathon

[sharp crest]

bungie gave me 20 dollars to post this message

[forest fox]

how? id like to see ur view on why u think the LFG is dying because it truly is not

[tight spade]

Then form a alliance and share the loot.

[true lava]

If you compare it to a week ago or 2 weeks ago yes

[warm hull]

yeah i mean you're not helping it

[glossy robin]

i stuck with destiny from around 2015-2023 and i still didn’t know anything about marathon until server slam tbf, lot of disenfranchised destiny players had no idea what was going on because we all stopped paying attention

[cold stump]

ive not been a bungie fan since age 6 💀 i would have no idea about marathon if not for its unique marketing

[austere cloak]

I think it was either an ad or a youtube recommendation while watching halo lore videos or something.

[dark sun]

probably not even worth engaging with him, most doomer guy I've seen in here in a bit.

[true lava]

They need to unrelease the game and cook it for like 2 years sorry man

[cold kelp]

@true lava @timid gazelle you need to get back on your mood stabilizers, you're embarrassing yourself in public

[mental karma]

Everything is dying in real time. Even good health is just dying as slowly as possible.

[magic rose]

99% of the time they dont use prox chat and just kill on sight like murder hobos

[forest fox]

...? i dont care

[timid gazelle]

So that’s 3-1 who heard it without marketing, shocking that the 150m spent on marketing seems to have netted just 1 person (who is lying because he is THE Bungie fan of the server)

[true lava]

Holy chad

[tight spade]

Downside of not being able to disable crossplay.

[forest fox]

its better to ask someone negative about this game their views instead of someone who enjoys it lol

[frail dagger]

My dad randomly bought it for me and told me to play it with him and my brother

[cold kelp]

@true lava @timid gazelle meds or doctor is going to tell momma

[cold stump]

yknow the steam page is marketing man

[dark sun]

yeah I just genuinely think he's trolling at this point.

[glossy robin]

this is also not how you conduct any sort of valid study lmao sample size of a few random discord users is not representative of anything useful

[unkempt ginkgo]

Is there a Reliable Marathon Stat Tracker?

[cold kelp]

No

[warm hull]

Only thing ARC is, is a casual gaming experience and it got lucky and went viral on tiktok so more people got it, Marathons disadvantage is that it came after ARC. And it is harder to play and retain a skill level (I have 500+ hours on ARC)

[red prawn]

Are people’s lives that dull they decide to use their free time wishing and trying to analyze metrics every minute to see if a games failing?

[mental karma]

Like how many Overrun AR rounds you shrugged off? Nope.

[dark sun]

the game itself doesn't even really report valuable stats post match, that's something I would love for them to improve upon - post-game stats.

[sharp crest]

my discord anecdote says im right and everyone else is wrong

[cold stump]

everyone has said its from the marketing, you could have made a qualifying statement about how there should have been less marketing for marathon proportional to its budget, but you just take a wild swing and say that marketing is worthless for games

[cold kelp]

Arc is sandbox marathon is arena. If that makes sense

[timid gazelle]

You know they literally said “Found it after typing “extraction shooter”

@glossy robin yeah, of course, it’s called you gotta start somewhere

[true lava]

Nah I played 100 hours and am lvl 90 right now, game is just obviously undercooked and needs 1-2 more years of very hard dev time until it’s in a launch ready state, anyone actually playing the game would know this

[warm hull]

Marketing is free nowadays, no one watches ads, but everyone watches tiktoks

[unkempt ginkgo]

I Just wanna see some basic stuff like W/L Ratio but hopefully someone makes one soon would be cool anyways

[still hollow]

Guys I have a problem. I can’t stop thinking about Marathon. Eating? Marathon. Sleeping? Marathon. Banging my wife? Marathon

It’s becoming a problem

🐸

[red prawn]

Yea harder but more rewarding game imo. People boot ARC raiders just to kill Arc and talk to people

[cold kelp]

Meds

[cold stump]

what do you think the store page on the store front is doing

[austere cloak]

I think there is a poorly understood type of trolling that I just decided to call "rage trolling" where the troll is just intensely pissed and is trolling so hard they are also trolling themselves and dont even realize it

[warm hull]

Yep exactly that

[dark sun]

I mean that's fair but if you don't like it why are you spending your time here complaining about it and wishing for its failure. Does the game have room for improvement? Yeah. Am I still enjoying my time with it? Yes. If you're not just don't play?

[austere cloak]

Yeah last night I went to bed thinking about marathon and this morning I woke up thinking about marathon and I haven't stopped doing that since.

[warm hull]

Arc is legit causal central and that's why it works, it fits all the fortnite kids

[cold kelp]

Don't engage these redacted trolls, wokies take bait too ez smh.

[timid gazelle]

The user stated they typed into the search bar, like if you type tactical shooter into steam or military simulator

[true lava]

I’m not wishing for its failure, just being realistic about where things are at. Game is in a piss poor state and bungie and Sony should be ashamed it released like this, actually sad this is what we got after 5 years.

[still hollow]

I’ve seen you around for a while here, but this is your most thinly veiled bait attempt. You are capable of better than this, work on the baiting skills and then return. You got this my main man

🐸

[glossy robin]

fascinating use of bait there to consolidate your point i approve

[unborn sundial]

@true lava health and welfare check little guy

[forest fox]

ight thats kinda cope bro 😭

[leaden birch]

weird stat

HIGHGUARD had 12,000 more players at launch than Marathon did

[sharp crest]

it comes from being very sad about your real life circumstances. you see some people having fun and it makes you mad because you want them to be miserable like you (not you literally a hypothetical chatter)

[cold stump]

i think you fundamentally misunderstand what constitutes as marketing

[cold kelp]

Yeah because it was on the game awards. Are you redacted

[mental karma]

You know when you come across those random crates in Perimeter surrounded by three toxic explosive spore plant things? That’s how it works here sometimes.

[cold stump]

how many did it keep, how many concurrent rn, highguard was just hateplayed

[still hollow]

I’ve missed you Kay. Your beautiful sense of constant doomerism

🐸

[timid gazelle]

Perhaps actually, do you have to pay to put a game up on the steam store?

[warm hull]

you'd swear that the people here have been doing tox without a cleanser the way they talk

[dark sun]

have you posted actual meaningful feedback in the feedback channels? all you've been saying is the game is dying but I haven't seen any actual suggestions other than "1-2 years more of dev time".

[shell fractal]

how are people liking ranked outpost?

[dense junco]

hey guys did someone actually got the C06 key inside the pinwheel in DUO ? got it in trio but never in duos

[cold stump]

when you open the steam store as a big game launches theres a big ad too

[cold kelp]

YOU ARE TALKING TO SOMEONE WITH A VR CHAT TAG LIKE THEY'RE A BEING WORTH ANYTHING..

[stray wadi]

we got it last night

[true lava]

Yep constantly since day 1, and the need of changes are so much money and time and work that I legit don’t think they can do it before it’s too late

[unborn sundial]

All he’s ever done is bitched and moaned

[austere cloak]

Everyone right now go to another discord server and tell them they should try marathon. Go do it right now its free do it do it DO IT.

If 1% of people who see it buy the game we will get probably 500 new players

[cold kelp]

Meds + job unironically wh*toid

[mental karma]

I have only found one of those hazard keys. I rush in after popping a mechanic’s kit and skedaddle after the objective.

[dense junco]

do u know the odd ?

[true lava]

I could never recommend this game for $40 in the current state sorry man

[timid gazelle]

Do you pay to put up the game itself on the store? How did my friend afford that fee for his game on the store? He had no money going in? I don’t remember him mentioning having to pay a fee

[dark sun]

well I simply hope you're wrong then. I do want them to make changes, and so far the dev updates have been pretty rapid so I have hope that the game will continue to rapidly improve.

[sharp crest]

only if bungie gives me 5 dollars

[cold kelp]

I'm not gonna do that because shitters don't belong here.

[red prawn]

High guard was more hyped than marathon. Tried it and I uninstalled during the tutorial 😂.

[cold stump]

everyone has gotta pay a fee to put a game on steam

[cold kelp]

Highguard had abysmal performance, worse than marathon.

[red prawn]

That game literally shut down in days

[gleaming tapir]

are the servers broken?

[timid gazelle]

Oh, 150~200m like the Marathon marketing budget? That makes sense, and yeah my friend did have 200m starting cash to post it up there so this all makes sense

[cold kelp]

No one actually plays the game here, they just talk about how bad it is

[mental karma]

I… already did this, with the caveat that extraction shooters are a different barrel of fish but it’s not as unforgiving as Tarkov. And I like the art style.

[true lava]

Me too, mostly also I think large decisions and directions they went in are ultimately leading to the downfall of the game, biggest one being making everything balanced around trios, when majority of extraction shooter players are always playing solo. Tarkov released the stats to confirm this, marathon probably missed out on 50% playerbase increase from this decision imo.

[cold kelp]

Oh so you're a solo redacted.

[sharp crest]

i have two friends so i can play marathon

[dark sun]

fair feedback, I do find solos lackluster, and trios is super fun, but having to use LFG to find a competent group is a barrier to entry.

[cold kelp]

Solo players whining about everything... Grow up

[round oracle]

There's a 100 dollar fee to put your game on steam. The ad on the main store page is steam's decision, if they think your game is good they put it there

[mental karma]

You can play Marathon with no friends.

[red prawn]

So you hating on the game wishing it dies because you don’t wanna find friends to play, group up, or use comms in fill. Instead bungie should cater to you or it’s just a bad game huh 🤣🤣

[austere cloak]

what does the G in LFG stand for?

[sharp ember]

Marathon is the friends we make along the way

[timid gazelle]

Remember that I said 3% of a budget needs to go to marketing for the steam ad and one/two reveals at events. Not that 0 marketing for a big game is the goal. But the budget for marketing is obviously 2-4x the return on the product…

[mental karma]

Group.

[forest fox]

have fun with free kits running to do quests and leaving when they die

[warm hull]

he's still allowed to say what he wants to say tho, the solo experience is just as important as any

[dark sun]

binGus

[sharp crest]

ngl every player ive been put in when playing with randoms has been super chill. genuinely i have yet to meet someone unpleasant

[sharp ember]

Gangstas

[leaden birch]

i think HIGHGUARD would have survived if it just added a PVE Mode

EDIT : this is a massive troll, do not @ me

[soft plank]

Agreed

[red prawn]

Me too

[shell fractal]

Solo feels like a survival horror/stealth game, while trios is more of a tactical shooter

[mental karma]

Sometimes I get teammates who help each other with their contracts! It’s like gacha, though.

[timid gazelle]

Yeah I know it’s only $100, I asked my friend during this haaaaaa, it’s just @cold stump is attempting to lie in such a way that relies on me not being informed at all lmaoooo

[warm hull]

THIS!

[red prawn]

Facts two different vibes

[dark sun]

it's like 50% for me. If they talk on mic they're usually pretty chill. other 50% doesn't comm and occasionally gets on mic at the end of the game to talk shit.

[forest fox]

imo. if ur queueing squad fill.
its PVP first then contracts if we have time.
like im not running to bio research 700 meters away right now bro there is 3 teams between that and us

[timid gazelle]

@cold stump bro unironically said “Bungie had to post it on the steam store for $100 so the $150,000,000 budget for marketing was wise”

[mental karma]

It’s not my priority. It’s a “We’ll get to it if feasible.”

[unborn sundial]

real. The contracts are just there to drive people across one another

[cold stump]

i never brought up the fee for putting a game on steam, you said the steam page doesn't count as marketing, nobody found out about this game from marketing, and that marketing for games is useless, all of which are untrue, you've just been moving goalposts to be facetious, take more care to not be pressed about topics on discord

[dark sun]

party at bio-research 🥳

[cold kelp]

Solos was never supposed to be an option. At least the queue was. You used to be able to drop in solo no fill but would be matched against other teams of 3 or 2 or 1 depending on no fillers. Since it was hard to 1v3, possible, but highly unlikely in the alpha and once meta developed almost impossible, they made a solo queue mode as a band aid for people who refused to play with others. Now people are asking for whole balance changes JUST for solos when the problem can be alleviated by filling.

[sharp crest]

i cant post pictures in here but check out my pfp its my cat

[shell fractal]

Im finally done with all of the Sekaguchi quests. but so help me god if they make me sprint from bio research to quarantine just to start doing some other random bullshit

[burnt jungle]

Tbf, the stolen artwork was marketing. Not good marketing, but still marketing none-the-less lol

[austere cloak]

wanna buy a worm...

[cold stump]

if you buy into some economists' thinking i guess it was

[timid gazelle]

I said 1-3% to marketing, type in 1-3% in the search bar and see how massively I pre-date what you just said

[cold kelp]

Dungeon master please stop engaging this redacted, they are arguing in bad faith and are socially redacted as well as mentally, you're wasting your time on their redacted ass.

[austere cloak]

any other worm enjoyers here?

[rough cradle]

[sharp crest]

[austere cloak]

[cold stump]

im also doing homework at the same time

[dark sun]

I'm an early bird enjoyer

[still hollow]

Every Friday and Saturday night, sometimes Sunday if I’m not too tired

🐸

[rough cradle]

Ruuuuun away guysssssss birb is coming

[cold stump]

i cant wait to enter the workforce full-time when my job gets stolen by generative ai

[still hollow]

Also side note, many frogs eat worms

🐸

[unborn sundial]

u gotta learn to weld

[rough cradle]

[sharp crest]

ai was supposed to automate the boring manual labor so that humans could chill and make art and yet here we are and its doing the art while we toil away

[cold stump]

i have a welder friend who dropped it after graduating after like 2 years because it made him depressed

[unborn sundial]

it sucks but any trade is worth it

[still hollow]

Even better, it’ll eventually take everything whilst governments continue to ignore the concept of UBI! Isn’t the future GREAT?

🐸

[cold stump]

one of my clubs in college is gonna do a game jam so im looking forward to that

[dark sun]

work makes me depressed too but we gotta do what we gotta do

[cold kelp]

Pls do not join a trade you don't like because it pays well, that is not living.

[mental karma]

Where are my flying cars?

[timid gazelle]

@cold stump I made it clear in my first statement on the topic, just because you fell in love with Bungie games as a 6 year old doesn’t mean you can’t read like an adult, “market at like 2 events, 1-3% of the budget”.

[crisp halo]

@leaden birch don't tell me what to do

[austere cloak]

I think welding is fun but I do it as a hobby to make things I want not as a way to get paid so i can't say if it sucks or not

[unborn sundial]

they’ll get rid of us all before they do UBI

[still hollow]

Genuinely cyberpunk dystopia but all the fucking boring shit, sucks ass

🐸

[soft plank]

Not everyone’s passion pays well brotha man

[sharp crest]

why are you self reacting your own post?

[shell fractal]

soon even the streamers making thousands of dollars a day will be replaced by ai deepfakes

[cold kelp]

One day you will look back on your days with a supple retirement fund and regret it all.

[still hollow]

If you’re not a fan of yourself, why would others be?

🐸

[timid gazelle]

To annoy people who care about discord emojis and are deeply insecure about the opinions randoms might agree with

[dark sun]

living is more than your job. Nothing wrong with doing something you don't 100% enjoy if it pays well and covers your bills and hobbies and other pursuits.

[sharp crest]

so true 😭

[fleet smelt]

On the flipside, doing something you love as a hobby is a great way to eventually hate that hobby.

You have to find something kinda in the middle.

[crisp halo]

UBI mentioned let's gooo

[soft plank]

This is projection, not everyone will be sad over making it in life, sacrifices must be made everywhere

[cold kelp]

Here lies yeti, he died doing what he hated but after 65 years got to go on a Helsinki cruise.

[unborn sundial]

all I’m saying is if you’re worried about ai you gotta learn to work with your hands

[cold stump]

machine learning deepfake streamers already exist technically, they're vtubers

[timid gazelle]

Alaska has UBI, and is an arctic hellscape, it’s time to be Alaska

[soft plank]

You act like I said I’m in a field I hate, projection 😔 I simply stated not everyone’s passion pays

[unborn sundial]

Yeah it can work in fringe cases but I’m not joking, they will sooner depopulate civilization than hand out UBI to everyone

[cold kelp]

Ok so why are you arguing for imaginary people

[still hollow]

I mean he is right though, some people don’t have the luxury of making a living of their passion. Luckily I do, and it feels good to know I won’t regret what is ultimately a HUGE chunk of my life. So you do both make good points, but it isn’t always that easy

🐸

[sharp crest]

im desperately trying to find a new employer rn but i enjoy what i do and it has nothing to do with my hobbies. its a balancing act for sure

[soft plank]

Runnah

You must do the tik tok dances you enjoy, for the world is a better place when you pursue what you want to do

[timid gazelle]

Wait who is they?

[unborn sundial]

Transnational financial elite

[austere cloak]

honestly we need to start making generative AI socially unacceptable and taboo or we're not gonna make it.

[sharp crest]

there is an escalation beyond socially unacceptable

[timid gazelle]

How would they depopulate?

[leaden birch]

good morning 🙂

[unborn sundial]

Look around

[fleet smelt]

Heat rain

[cold stump]

if nobody resists now its gonna move the overton window, people already sort-of see it as uncanny and unfriendly and executives want to change that

[cold kelp]

Same as it ever was

[haughty pumice]

Literally the only people I've ever seen enjoy AI videos are old heads and people with 70iq

[timid gazelle]

I have, I think they aren’t trying hard enough except in Japan

[cold kelp]

Lol this is a midwit take if I've ever seen one.

[dark sun]

the community reaction to dlss 5 shows a pretty anti-ai sentiment.

[unborn sundial]

I’m only vague because this isn’t really the place for it

[timid gazelle]

✅

[haughty pumice]

Nah I'm not talking about dlss I mean widespread access to video generated AI

[dark sun]

It's only a matter of time until it becomes good enough to be virtually indistinguishable though.

[crisp halo]

It's insane to believe but in the larger AI context gamers actually tend to be the sane ones 🤣

[cold stump]

truly a first

[burnt jungle]

I just don't like the weird blurriness I get with DLSS4. Hopefully that will get better with DLSS5.

[timid gazelle]

That’s fair, just seems like only in 3 countries have populations not growing and they are all asian ones, so I guess the masterminds must hate 3 asian countries but love the rest of the world. Odd culprit to target literally no one else.

[haughty pumice]

Yeah but that's when legislation will start to come in alot stronger

[soft plank]

Some people gotta sacrifice so others can pursue their passion but it would be nice if everyone could

[royal meteor]

@bungie pls remove level based matchmaking pls thank you

[dark sun]

declining birth rates is a trend in most developed nations, just not all of them have hit the negatives yet.

[haughty pumice]

Depends on what population you measure, northern Europe has declining population of you ignore the immigration

[radiant spindle]

ive jst completed kill a runner in smoke while search and destroy is active absolutely spontaneusly

[exotic jackal]

YO fix your servers!!! id rather wait longer on my server than connect to US and have 500 ping!!!!!!!

[haughty pumice]

Lol no way people actually believe that stuff 😂

[unborn sundial]

who’s talking about Jewish people wtf

[radiant spindle]

bro my fkn greed, i have full vault of purple guns and i still use free kits, i have to do smth w it

[dark sun]

I think he just said financial elite, not sure anyone said an ethnicity.

[fleet smelt]

Transnational financial elites is like... barely thinly veiled, man.

[unborn sundial]

That is an extremely diverse category of people lol.

[muted palm]

Gray weapons are better.

[timid gazelle]

He does haaaa, he just thinks you can’t talk about it in the server and like all neos like him he won’t reveal his power level after being caught but just type in his name for a server search lmao and LOOK AT HIS PROFILE LMAOOOOOOOO

[dark sun]

eh I actually disagree with that. there are the financial elites and they're not all jewish, if you read that and think jewish that might be on you.

[unborn sundial]

Seriously. Do you not realize your food and water is poisoned? This has nothing to do with Jewish people what the fuck

[crisp halo]

Gringotts Kobolds smh my head

[sharp crest]

this is definitely the server for this conversation

[unborn sundial]

Every time they drive up insulin in the US do you think it’s because they need the money or because they want people to fail?

[mighty vine]

Game so dry start talking bout something unrelated

[dark sun]

I think it's because they're greedy and want money yes.

[forest fox]

is insulin on tau ceti?

[unborn sundial]

This is all on you if you think transnational financial elites can only be Jews.

[rough sail]

New shell cinematic today trust

[steep widget]

equality (and diversity) for my corpo overlords

[true escarp]

The people on the Artemis gonna run into the compiler. I'll start my prayers now

[crisp halo]

chatgpt what is dog whistle

[exotic jackal]

where is the lfg in this discord?

[fleet smelt]

All I'm saying is that when you start rambling about the bankers working towards depopulation... you get the side eye.

Anywho. Who's excited for the new ghost in the shell?

[feral summit]

Any chance of marathon collectors edition get a restock from ps direct in uk?

[dark sun]

#lfc-any-zone or check the channels and roles tabs for more.

[rough sail]

what the fuck did I walk in on 😨

[cold kelp]

Haha, I would never believe in a Zionist lobbied US govt, that's crazy!

[dark sun]

nothing good, I think it's time for me to actually go play the game lol.

[steep widget]

no clue grab a beer

[unborn sundial]

It seems like you buy into it more than the imaginary people you think you’re fighting. It all sounds like a dog whistle to you and I think you’re in too deep to realize this

[exotic jackal]

why are the lfg channels hidden? how do i get all of them

[sharp crest]

worm

[timid gazelle]

I would, totally different from a depopulation conspiracy, one is fact one is speculation

[rough sail]

beer at 7 in the morning would be a vibe

[crisp halo]

cringe ngl

[true escarp]

Our government gonna activate heat cascade be ready

[boreal quiver]

A German bar in 1938

[steep widget]

5pm somewhere

[dark sun]

I know right 😢

[steep widget]

our ?? nahh mine just be chillin

[unborn sundial]

Jewish people are unfairly used as a scapegoat for very real machinations of power by completely unrelated parties who do engage in evil acts at large scale. They’re not “””bankers””” theyre more like oligarchs

[muted palm]

This chat is like a tavern, a lot of villagers talking of certainties on hyper-complex topics they don't even scratch the surface on knowledge.

[cold kelp]

Meds

[sharp crest]

smokescreen now im invisible and chat cant read this message

[rough sail]

so uhhh marathon amirite 👍 pretty cool game

[true escarp]

Little do they know we're all rooks irl lmfao

[crisp halo]

Are you sure you're certain on this hyper-complex topic?

[rough sail]

I'm always certain about every topic

[crisp halo]

I respect it 🤝 also agree, marathon pretty cool game

[sharp crest]

what's marathon

[fleet smelt]

I, too, like marathon.

[grave smelt]

everything you need to know about how people point out rats in games

just witnessed a random and a rook waiting for each other to go around the corner for 3 minutes. eventually one downed the other and they both proceeded to call each other a rat

[dark sun]

what a coincidence, I also enjoy marathon

[fleet smelt]

What do you know about pushing boulders?

[true escarp]

Marathon goated fuck arc raiders

[mental karma]

What you do when you spawn across the map from your objective. Or even if you don’t.

[muted palm]

Baked Marathon with oregano.

[coarse reef]

Marathon! 🏃🏾

[cold kelp]

I THINK... they need to work on things outside the "core gameplay loop"

[sharp crest]

https://tenor.com/view/bungie-marathon-new-marathon-nu-marathon-bungie-marathon-gif-2701323247976763654

[true escarp]

I live in marathon lol literally

[crisp halo]

Reeeeeeaaaaaal

Two people hear each other and go silent for 10 minutes... "fucking camper"

[cold kelp]

This is why solos is le bad but also I would just win in that situation

[true escarp]

Solos is just bunch of assassins going camo and knifeing each other lmfao

[sharp crest]

yeah i would never even be in that situation because my situational awareness is on another level

[mental karma]

Just full send it. Recite the name of our patron saint (Leeroy Jenkins) four times and then attempt to rush/flank them.

[upbeat tide]

what was that gear refund the dev notes are talking about?

[boreal quiver]

I refuse to play assassin in solo

[sharp crest]

youre calling me out rn and i dont appreciate it

[fleet smelt]

I have been having good luck as recon in solo.

[winter wadi]

people were getting all their loot back in cryo by going out of bounds and waiting for the timer to go to 0

[upbeat tide]

Sorry I didn't want to know the exploit but what the feature was? I must have missed those patch notes

[muted palm]

Ain't much of a camo when you can hear the cloaking device from 50 yards away.

[thin anchor]

Nah fuck that. Destroyer all day

[boreal quiver]

Doesn't help much if you can't see them, they will get the first shot in no matter what

[woeful obsidian]

anybody know the best place to steal self revive with thief drone?

[muted palm]

You don't need to see them, you can hear them. Once you hear the cloaking device, all you have to do is do nothing for 10 seconds and that's a whole Assassin countered.

[timid gazelle]

I accidentally ended up in #📚marathon-lore-discussion and got so confused at what I was seeing. This game has lore?? People are all nice in there? FUCK THAT

[round oracle]

Down them and spam drone

[rotund terrace]

so true smh play the character thats hot not the one thats meta :3

[crisp halo]

Gen chat is legit just bait so other people can talk in peace

[terse sedge]

@unborn sundial what do you think of peter thiel

[unborn sundial]

not a fan but I don’t really keep up with him

[mystic spoke]

I think marathon just needs something where you can mess around with mechanics without having to be in a match

[exotic jackal]

QUICKEST uninstall ever!!! Forced to play on 500 ping cause games dead on arrival anywhere outside of US

[boreal quiver]

Sure, but how am I beating someone cloaked in a gunfight

[rotund terrace]

below their pay grade they dont need to know him

[terse sedge]

your fault for being brazilian ngl

[mystic spoke]

Firing range waiter!! Please!!

[celest notch]

Is it just me or are the 'looking for group' channels gone now?

[muted palm]

You wait 10 seconds behind something and that's it.

[woeful obsidian]

there's no limit on how many times you can hit them with it

[boreal quiver]

The main strength of assassin isn't hiding or ambushing, it's literally the strongest shell for gunfights

[unborn sundial]

why

[exotic jackal]

dont be jelly

[terse sedge]

i don't think a single person on earth is jealous of you being brazilian ngl

[timid gazelle]

You say you are a Peter Thiel Lorehound, but a real Lorehound would know all about the beginning of the rise of the anti christ (this actually does make sense if you know PT lore)

[glacial bane]

I am. they have nice beaches there

[gritty lichen]

What?

[crisp halo]

I will always agree that assassin is busted if not game breaking in solos and I'll die on that hill but that has nothing to do with his strength in fights

[exotic jackal]

damn didnt know ppl were racist openly on marathon discord, thats crazy

[timid gazelle]

Brazil?

[muted palm]

Assassin is so mediocre its painful. It's literally the easiest class to counter and play against.

[terse sedge]

racist because i don't want to be brazilian?

[gritty lichen]

Yeah he lets you skip any and all pve that exists which is just so stupid

[sharp crest]

i actually am jealous i would love to visit brazil someday

[unborn sundial]

I mean I heard he did lectures on that which seems strange

[glacial bane]

Brazil is great movie also 👍 you should watch it

[exotic jackal]

makes sense, dev team attracts their own type

[round oracle]

Food is good too

[winter wadi]

since when is brazilian a race lmfao

[turbid badger]

jfc this dude lmao

[amber shuttle]

hope you get your refund bud, see you 👋

[boreal quiver]

Invisibility is the strongest ability for gunfights in this game

[timid gazelle]

Brazil seems amazing as a behavioral biologist, getting to do ground breaking work constantly with new animals and behavior

[glacial bane]

the music and dancing as well. wonderful culture

[gritty lichen]

In an actual fight the invis is pretty much useless, it's good for getting a split second advantage in some situations and running

[terse sedge]

why are people pretending brazil isn't a bigger shithole than dire marsh

[sharp crest]

hey tim can i get an ipad for free

[crisp halo]

You do realize you can hear him cloak and he is still visible and audible if he moves?

[boreal quiver]

Barely visible, while I am completely transparent. This is a huge advantage in gunfights

[glacial bane]

sure here you go 🫴 📱

[muted palm]

Invisibility is strong if you're playing in a PS4 and your audio is coming out of the television.

[turbid badger]

it’s honestly why I consider assassin to be one of the most selfish classes in the game so far. I feel like it only really supports rat behavior and running away from the rest of your team.

[crisp halo]

I really don't wanna be that guy but that's an eyesight / monitor settings issue

[gritty lichen]

His smoke can be good for starting engagements and pushing but the problem is anyone could just buy 2 smokes from mida and that's better than his ult

[turbid badger]

no smoke bomb is also only good for escaping because it’s not like I as his teammate can see through it so I’m just as blinded as the enemy it does nothing for me and every time I’m with an assassin and they use it. It always puts me at a major disadvantage while they run away.

[glacial bane]

most places are good, its those in charge of those places thats often not so good 👍

[gritty lichen]

Nah that's just you, stupidly easy to spot unless they're crouching in a corner, audio cue is also super obvious

[boreal quiver]

Do you often aim by listening in gunfights?

[timid gazelle]

I’m doing it to impress women

[gritty lichen]

It can be helpful for escaping but if you need to push an open area or somewhere that they have los but you don't it can even the playing field and let you push

[sharp crest]

but i know the apple campus is 🔥 because you seem cool

[terse sedge]

valid go off oomf

[boreal quiver]

This is the most ridiculous assassin downplaying I have seen in a while, please do continue

[gritty lichen]

Well no but you can pinpoint their general location from the audio cue and then quite easily see them, a moving assassin is just as easy to spot as a normal player

[turbid badger]

but I mean again, like you said at that point, I can just get smoke bomb grenades I will probably have looted several during the game so it’s not like the ultimate needed to be a smoke bomb. I really think he needs more team synergy.

[grave smelt]

if enemy is actively shooting at your teammates and you flank around them 10-20m away from their position, no one is going to notice you. Then there is rain and fog

[unborn sundial]

just w key and knife no think

[covert wharf]

All the players with thermal scopes wondering what the big deal with assassins?

[gritty lichen]

Depends on the position, i'm talking about something like pushing a team opening pinwheel, places where you can't just go around

[leaden birch]

mini story time

just helped my husband get his MIDA Outpost Command Wing quest done
we went in with a rando, told him about the quest, said all the loot was his, but...
we had to exfil, so when we were done, we were DONE
he got greedy, wanted to stay in Command to get all the crates, etc, we took off
he got 3v1'd about 10 seconds after we dropped down and was screaming at us for abandoning him
told him he'd gotten too greedy, exfilled successfully and each bagged 12k+

why are people ALWAYS so greedy in Fill? like, i can place BETS on it

[earnest birch]

how are you guys liking ranked so far?

[boreal quiver]

He is impossible to see while standing and even when moving he is not as transparent as the other shell, giving him a massive advantage in gunfights

[grave smelt]

there invis can't help you for sure, yes

[glacial bane]

assassin is actually dogshit. whats good with cloak and smoke if you move like a semi trailer anyway. I can easily pick em off in a gunfight even if they get the first shot

[gritty lichen]

Nah you just can't see then, genuinely any other shell smokes him in a 1v1 because of movement or abilities

[terse sedge]

assassin is broken in solo but its ass anywhere else

[burnt jungle]

Anybody realize how people don't want to teamfight?

[boreal quiver]

Cloaking is the only useful ability in combat in this game

[burnt jungle]

I need to find a group. Fill is kinda lame.

[dark sun]

incredibly wrong lol.

[gritty lichen]

Ok bro we can stop ragebaiting now

[leaden birch]

honestly? it's probably one of the worst "ranked" modes i've ever seen

it is ABSURDLY lopsided, more like a "Luck Mode" than a "Rank Mode"

pray to god that you don't get put in a lobby with goo-gunners, or else might as well insta-disconnect

[native kernel]

He is very very difficult to see standing still sometimes, sometimes completely invisible

[sharp crest]

when i play assassin its fair and balanced but when another person plays it its op

[muted palm]

Assassin's only advantage is versatility, you can chose between offense or defense, and more often than not when you chose defence you're likely just delaying losing by a minute or two.

[boreal quiver]

Name a single active ability that isn't worse than to just firing your weapon

[gritty lichen]

Standing still yes he's extremely hard to spot, but the audio cue is enough to tell their general area and you can just wait it out, no need to push it

[grave smelt]

there is a big difference between being "the most useful" and "useful". you are just plain wrong here

[muted palm]

Against skilled players, they will shit on your invisibility because they use audio for 80% of the clues and the rest 20% to actually aim for 2 seconds.

[gritty lichen]

He's baiting

[solid yew]

epic discord moment

[glacial bane]

this is wonderful. more stories like this please

[sharp crest]

vandal seems really fun i havent played it much yet

[covert wharf]

It’s the easiest shell to de-aggro mobs without playing rook

[dark sun]

destroyer search and destroy, dash, and shield are all more useful than invis. Recon ping can help hunt down remaining members. Vandal cannon can knock people out from behind cover. etc etc.

[boreal quiver]

I have proven to you why assassin is by far the best shell for fighting, how am I baiting lol

[gritty lichen]

You haven't proven anything, stop baiting my man

[keen apex]

[leaden birch]

Full Charge Vandal Cannon with Damage Boost and Speed Boost

can wipe an entire team at Outpost in 1 shot (off the bridges)

[boreal quiver]

Yes but how is any of that useful when the gunfight had actually started?

[turbid badger]

I only recently realized you could charge that up. I feel very dumb.

[gritty lichen]

Dude if you want a reaction oh my goodness make it somewhat believeable

[solid yew]

search and destroy go brrrrrr

[dark sun]

this isn't a civil war re-enactment, we aren't standing still and shooting at each other. if you are you're doing it wrong.

[native kernel]

hes clearly baiting bro

[turbid badger]

mmhm

[muted palm]

Destroyer and Triage are unmatched when it comes to actual firefight in the spot, they are the kings and queens of trading as it should.

[glacial bane]

the best runner is the one you like playing 👍

[dark sun]

yeah i know lol

[gritty lichen]

triage?

[grave smelt]

he just dmed me a picture of his balls with black marker writing "i am not baiting"

[native kernel]

clearly not baiting then

[leaden birch]

the Full Charge Vandal Cannon with Damage Boost and Speed Boost can be charged from behind cover, and then unleashed at the bridge

all 3 will die from OOB (( edit : in a single shot no less ))

[crystal mist]

i found this puzzle thing in dormitories but i cant seem to find any info on it. you can activate the machine to roll for some kind of symbol that you can find on the frozen animals/food but the screens i thought would have the symbols are offline. anyone know what this is and how to solve it?

[solid yew]

ult damage is sick

[wet herald]

Dunno whats up with all these teams this morning bringing in golds to perimeter but thanks for the golds whoever just got rinsed at Data wall lockroom

[turbid badger]

not exactly the point. more that some shells offer very little to the rest of the team. Maybe if assassin made the whole crew invis or crew could see through smoke it could be more useful

[boreal quiver]

It will deal enough damage to knock the basic shield off maybe. You will get more damage to your own shell just for peeking

[dark sun]

let us not forget about battery overcharge

[gritty lichen]

Don't use something you can only do in one single spot out of all the maps to make your point, that doesn't demonstrate it's general effectiveness

[glacial bane]

that would be too powerful i think

[sharp yoke]

SOOOO MANY BOTS IN THE LFGS ITS INSANE LOL

[pulsar bloom]

anyone know how much watchtower v99 does charged? it says base 60? does it do more charged?

[boreal quiver]

Also it is bold of you to assume that I'm talking about trios. Most of the playerbase is solo after all.

[leaden birch]

you must not know what OOB is ...

[solid yew]

i haven't really felt its impact yet, just use it before fights because i feel like i have to lol

[wet herald]

solos GROSS

[gritty lichen]

He's just baiting 😭

[turbid badger]

in that case it just needs to be reworked because I believe all abilities should offer something to everyone so he can build team synergies as it stands. Assassin can basically drop a smoke bomb turn invisible and run away while the rest of the team gets wiped and that doesn’t really feel very supportive of anybody except for the assassin running away.

[cold stump]

assassin players are either terrible at the game or will wipe the whole squad and chase rooks across the map to satiate their bloodlust

[grave smelt]

if you play Marathon solo you will never get granted Austalian citizenship

[gritty lichen]

He needs a slight nerf in solos and a buff for squads I think

[dark sun]

it's a nice little boost to weapons handling, nothing too crazy but it's nice to have even without using volt weapons.

[boreal quiver]

You have to see the atrocities I commit to assassin players there. Scrubs using this op shell make me TOXIC

[wet herald]

The shitty assassin players might run away, but if you have a assassin with great positioning and a solid shotty, that dude can really start the fight with a pick

[gritty lichen]

Honestly that's vandal players too, worst player you've ever seen or they'll 1v3 every team in the lobby

[glacial bane]

I can agree with that. you want assassin to offer something valuable to the team

[sharp yoke]

can we please do something about the amount of bots that post in LFG its so hard to find low level players

[gritty lichen]

elaborate

[cold stump]

the latter was me earlier today :3

[dark sun]

how low you talking

[leaden birch]

for survivability, Triage-Recon-Assassin is the best mesh-up

Heals, Danger Sense, and GTFO smoke

[sharp yoke]

bots as in they are not human and they spam LFG and never answer dms. its really annoying

[wet herald]

No destroyer? smh

[crystal mist]

i found this puzzle thing in dormitories but i cant seem to find any info on it. you can activate the machine to roll for some kind of symbol that you can find on the frozen animals/food but the screens i thought would have the symbols are offline. anyone know what this is and how to solve it?

[gritty lichen]

Had an extremely stupid game earlier today, went in with a full purple squad and I made multiple 1v3's 💀

[cold stump]

you dont need assassin's gimmick smoke if you have a destroyer who's gimmick is murdering a trillion people

[dark sun]

the best defense is a great offense am I right

[sharp yoke]

well idk i am level 20 joined recently

[leaden birch]

to survive? no

the shield is an ultra-massive-flashlight that says "WE ARE HERE" and constitutes engaging in a direct fight
i'd put the Assassin GTFO spam-smoke over the shield (( edit : for pure team survivability and no other metric ))

[crisp halo]

Why settle when you could always get M O R E

[wet herald]

Nothing better than a confident destroyer that can peek a million different places with his movement

[burnt jungle]

Rook on Rook violence is messed up.

[crystal mist]

i found this puzzle thing in dormitories but i cant seem to find any info on it. you can activate the machine to roll for some kind of symbol that you can find on the frozen animals/food but the screens i thought would have the symbols are offline. anyone know what this is and how to solve it? plsss someone help im intrigued

[leaden birch]

sometimes victory through power is not possible, such as Triple Gold Kits with Goo Gun

you run, or you die

[muted palm]

Once the Assassin has to smoke defensively, it's game over. It's just colateral mitigation.

[gritty lichen]

Destroyer has WAY better survivability than assassin, tac sprint, dash, shield is great for when you're getting shot in the open, the only characters who could have more survivability are vandals/thiefs when there's a roof to get onto and the enemy team doesn't have a thief/vandal, otherwise destroyer is by far the best

[cold stump]

i mean destroyer is also better at running away :]

[leaden birch]

this is an opinion

[halcyon mulch]

tbf, assassin's survivability is just being able to not get shot at all lmao.

[wet herald]

Destroyer can also act as the last man to cover your teams ass.

[toxic cobalt]

2 more story missions left and I've done all the story missions heyooo

[gritty lichen]

He has no movement though so it's incredibly easy to chase

[leaden birch]

we are talking about complete team cohesion, not who has the bigger @#$% in combat

[halcyon mulch]

not if you play him like spy tf2.

[muted palm]

It's not an opinion, it's 25+ years of playing classes with invisibility/stealth. Once an Assassin uses a smoke after you down someone it's just signaling you're in mass disadvantage.

[leaden birch]

by itself, not as a team effort

i think the original comment i started this from has been completely lost in translation this far down the message chain

[gritty lichen]

Even in a full team you can just bring a single smoke grenade and boom now you effectively have assassin ult

[vital whale]

Every rook i have met has shot on sight....i've sadly stopped trying to form a Rook rebellion

[cold stump]

destroyer rules assassin drools!!!

[dark sun]

I just think designing your team and gameplay around how to best run away is not a plan for long-term success. You should be optimizing for how to win fights, not escape from them. And yes, sometimes you'll lose, that's the game.

[leaden birch]

that does not negate that it's your best bet to survive against an overwhelming force that you cannot defeat

EDIT : combined with Triage - Recon - Assassin

[muted palm]

Absolutely, but more often than not it's just gg.

[unborn sundial]

I love MARTON

[grave smelt]

today when I was rooking one rook crouchspammed at me and I crouch spammed at him. he turned away and I stabbed him to death immediately 😽

[crisp halo]

Let me add to the chain that I like thief

[river ridge]

Guys, why does controller movement feel so awkward in the game compared to mouse and keyboard?

[wet herald]

Survivability wise, maybe thats the best comp and I can see your point. But that sort of comp isnt winning fights

[dark sun]

you disgust me 😠

[vital whale]

Sounds about right...you villain!

[opaque mauve]

It’s just you

[leaden birch]

Thief is a must for salvage runs

Thief for Loot Scans
Recon for "Are we about to get jumped while we loot" Scans
Assassin for "GTFO smoke nades" in case the plan goes wrong

[fluid bough]

God I hate you, you're the reason I had to murder some poor rook that crouchspammed at me because I can't trust anyone

[fleet smelt]

Wait. Did this term change or did it get lost to time?

[crisp halo]

Triple Thief would like to know your location 🤣

[soft plank]

I know there’s been a good amount of assassin hating, but I love the fact the invis actually works to a degree, tired of fake invis abilities in games

[dark sun]

it truly is a race to the bottom.

[leaden birch]

without a recon, i'm sure they would ❤️

[vital whale]

I haven't played much recon and maybe it's me being dumb but i don't get much value from the ult......i just see loads of red pings, dunno what's runners and whats bots

[grave smelt]

sorry, you might get better luck in arc raiders 😎

[dark sun]

that's getting updated.

[fluid bough]

I wish I could get into a rook mob but no, gotta just be killing on sight now so I murder people like Mr NuCal Employee along with the innocents 😢

[wet herald]

rook on rook violence rocks , I dont feel like sharing loot

[leaden birch]

typically it is best used when you want to know if you are alone

and in crowded area's it's similar to a TAD, if the pings are "moving around" they are typically players

[vital whale]

Oh cool, i like the rest of the kit so hopefully the change makes me play them more

[slim crescent]

vandal crew, vandal duos, vandal solos 😎

run around like madman idiot run and gunnin

[covert sleet]

i mean you dont want to use her ult unless youre mid gunning

[dark sun]

I disagree, it's best used when you know you're not alone and you're hunting them down. If you don't know if you're alone and you use it you've just dropped a beacon on your head for the enemy to see.

[leaden birch]

the only reason i use Vandal is because i love the way she feels, and she is an offensive powerhouse

i can't wait to see what secret buffs she's going to get this week (next week?)

[halcyon mulch]

of course a NuCal employee would do this

[limber edge]

Anyone know how good Last Resort chips are? I continue to wish the game gave numbers instead of "Slightly-Significantly"

[fluid bough]

arc raiders is a good game, and I am a carebear ... but I've also succumbed to the dark side in marathon and main assassin in solo mode now and kill every person I see.

When I first started, especially since I'm usually solo queue, I tried to be friendly. With rooks it's a little more likely the other rooks are friendly .. but yeah I got myself killed so many times just trying to work together.

I know that's what trios are for and blah blah blah, suffice to say. I kill.

[dark sun]

this is not a friendly game

[muted palm]

Rook's social engineering is a masterpiece play. If you're able to ask for help from the surviving Trio saying that you're really bad and can't get good loot, you can get a god play and leave with 20k+ of leftovers just by berating yourself.

[covert sleet]

her ults best when you want to make a push, not when youre out and about

[round oracle]

got the cannon propel and the higher jump cores, was doing some tf2 soldier shit on outpost until someone took them from me

[leaden birch]

if YOU are the ones being hunted, and the force you are trying to evade are out of your skill level, it's a lifesaver

again, the original message chain started with SURVIVABILITY as the only measuring metric

RECON is probably the worst class in the game right now otherwise

[tardy forge]

Nothing like rolling a rook 4 stack and steamrolling pinwheel

[solid yew]

🐇

[covert sleet]

otherwise youre just advertising yourself

[unborn badger]

he did quite literally said that yes now can we not scare away every single person about how this is the one game that kills your entire family and dog and pet fish when you get bucked with a wstr in a match

[fluid bough]

You know the enemy sees the pulse from your recon shell, they should have called the shell "hunter" and not recon honestly

[halcyon mulch]

"I call this move the scheming vizier"

[soft plank]

Yeah the 5 pixels per hour heal you get helps the battle alot!

[grave smelt]

my view on extraction shooters is that everyone is for themselves and to not get killed on sight is a privilige you might get granted, not your right

[dark sun]

how does it help you escape a team to use recon pulse. They can see exactly where you are?

[cold kelp]

Which is why they are buffing her

[grave smelt]

it doesn't. recon is the most poopfarted character

[slim crescent]

cannon propel is an upgrade?

[soft plank]

Triage is the best shell in the game

I refuse to elaborate

[unborn badger]

speaking as a recon main it doesn't 💀

[round oracle]

there is a core that removes the self damage and throws you further if you shoot near you

[dark sun]

I love the idea of recon, and I agree with people saying they should have called her hunter or tracker. The pulse is great if you killed two people on a team and you're looking for the third. She is not actually good for "reconnaissance" .

[covert sleet]

triage is just good solely bc he mitigates heal usage

[fluid bough]

Oh trust me, I have learned there is no friendly in this game, maybe MAYBE once in like 15 games I will find another person that we just mutually run away from each other. Or rarely take an exfil (usually I'm sneaking in and not asking if it's that) but yeah I am murder mode now in Marathon

[unborn badger]

last known's surprisingly lacking as an info source and you don't pop pulse as a defensive tactic outside of standing your ground on an exfil site lol

[grave smelt]

yep, what you've described is the only case where recon is useful. was going to say the exact same thing

[covert sleet]

any sort of resourcefulness is worthwhile, big or small

[opaque mauve]

Same argument can be said about assassins are only good because invisible that’s their whole gimmick

[slim crescent]

that sounds parkour 😎

[soft plank]

Triage ult is the best ult in the game as well

The overall kit is very helpful in a game like this especially with how heals feel very scarce across the map imo

[grave smelt]

good-good...

[unborn badger]

triage ult when I run solo 💀

[proven trench]

I love this game but I’m still so ass at it fr

[dark sun]

real

[leaden birch]

if they are hunting you and you don't know where they are, it helps you not get insta-shottied in the back

y'all keep analyzing this from a "just kill everything and you never lose" scenario

[covert sleet]

supports in general are just better than anything else

[soft plank]

It’s strong against enemies as well, but ye he’s def stronger in trios

[somber vine]

Been smoked this whole weekend what changed 🤣

[dark sun]

I'm not analyzing it from that perspective at all. I'm analyzing it from the perspective of "if someone is chasing me and I'm trying to hide, maybe showcasing a giant yellow orb around my location isn't the smartest tactic to escape" perspective.

[vital whale]

It's a tough sweaty game but fun..
I'm not great either but enjoy my moments

[unborn badger]

recon's great it's just vulnerable against third partying while pulsing hence the pulse buff and drone having the same wacky pathing as ticks which they'll likely fix too

[grave smelt]

you keep analyzing it from "I want PvE added to the game"

if they are hunting you and you don't know where they are the last thing you are going to want is to be found. Recon's ult is a fkn beacon that screams "I am here"

It is irrelevant if you will obtain any information about enemies or not. You don't want to be found. This is your #1 priority. Ult directly and unapologetically takes that away from you

[proven trench]

Very true the first time winning a fight felt insane lmao

[turbid badger]

yeah that recon drone is nearly useless. it never tracks to an actual enemy

[fluid bough]

mood / insert generationally appropriate slang here

[runic pewter]

can people queue for solo perimeter in eu, queue time taking too long

[soft plank]

There’s only one redeeming factor about recon

[halcyon mulch]

massive thunder thighs

[jaunty crystal]

low pop

[dark sun]

I like recons passives, which is why I'm glad her actives are getting buffed.

[unborn badger]

would love some tracking priority for seeker outside of pathing fixes but other than that y'all dog recon more than she actually deserves 😭

[soft plank]

Ball knower

[quasi flower]

good morning Marathon Yaoi Nation

[proven trench]

I’ve never felt so called out

[vital whale]

Very rewarding 😄
Not going to happen often but boy does it feel good

[grave smelt]

I play Marathon in between my yaoi and burntpeanut intakes

[unborn badger]

pulse on solo's useful, on trio you gotta space out from everybody else for equal terrain info coverage and the new buff's honestly really strong

[river owl]

do you guys (pc players) disable crossplay at all?

[soft plank]

That first 30-40k haul >>>

Game knows how to hook you in if you let it

[jaunty crystal]

its too bad theres no casual loop for this game, friend of mine cant keep up

[stone jasper]

brainrot speedrun

[grave smelt]

even if we wanted to, we can't, because PC doesn't have an option to disable crossplay

[river owl]

oh haha whoops

[covert sleet]

i see her like deimos from siege honestly, she gives away her position so either you ego chall and swing her, and either youre dead or she is

[elder flare]

Hey, I love this game but I am too scared to play. I play Solo cause I have no friends playing this. I don't wanna fill team cause of social anxiety 😞 anyone feel me?

[jaunty crystal]

yea I know a few and the population dropping

[covert sleet]

her supposed biggest strength is her biggest weakness, her passives are really good, her actives are just not up to snuff

[idle nymph]

Feel ya man

[unborn badger]

if it gives any comfort we're all likely dying as much as you, pretty common thing here lol

[drowsy beacon]

hi guys i need help

[jaunty crystal]

games not for everyone, seems like the way for extraction to make it these days is a pve mode, but you gonna get your ass slapped if you mention this around here

[dark sun]

you promise that will get my ass slapped? consider me intrigued.

[sharp silo]

Am I a criminal for gunning down any Rook on sight? 🤔

[drowsy beacon]

my pc is
3050 8g
r5 4650g
16 ram
and i got just 40fps

[unborn badger]

I find a lot more friendly rooks as a rook myself but if it's any other shell it's always shoot on sight 💀

[stone jasper]

no, fuck those rooks (im those rooks sometimes)

[dark sun]

no it's the natural order of things, like exterminating cockroaches.

[sharp silo]

Had a few try to be friendly towards, immediately pulled out the WSTR shotgun in response.

[sterile moon]

Never trust a rook