🗣marathon-general-chat

[leaden birch]

popcorn i was going to spend my daily hour fighting for PVE and pointing out the issues why we need it, but there are so many people criticizing this obviously, massively flawed game that i don't need to

add an IFF queue, Bungie, you lost 10k players from Friday and 15k players from last night; and btw, the only time in Marathon history when the playerbase INCREASED was CRYO, which has a lot of PVE in it ... RANKED? the numbers have only went down, including the largest loss ever

PVE > PVP and we *now have statistical data to prove that is a FACT for Marathon

[shadow sage]

The lannisters send their regards

[magic rose]

Yooo looks like my instagram bio from 2015

[wintry wasp]

looks at crucible matchmaking
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that it's all but completely random

[lean basin]

F PvE mode

[granite wyvern]

you sound boring

[hearty copper]

DA PUMP DA PUMP DA PUMP YES

[gilded seal]

sure, and again like i personally like the direction, but i can understand where people are coming from at least. extraction shooters get sweaty, that isn't for everybody. i want everybody to win, which i know is unrealistic and i'm fortunate enough to have a foot in the door when it comes to sweaty bungie pvp (i miss the lighthouse)

[reef grove]

didn't infinity pop the top off infinite alternate timelines

[deep lion]

Good news everybody, the sockpuppet account is back!

[severe egret]

You're free to assume that but it's definitely not.

[rich bolt]

see man youre killing it, idk whats not to love about an extraction shooter that has no "rock bottom" or dead end because you ran out of money or gear

[echo osprey]

muh player numberssssss
tedious and exhausting

[granite wyvern]

mmm ok true...

[magic rose]

[Intro]
You see my face goin' Skibidi, Skibidi?
Do-dee-do-dee-pee, goin' Skibidi, Skibi— (Oop, brrt)
You see my face goin' Skibidi, Skibidi?
Do-dee-do-dee-pee, goin' Skibidi, Skibi— (Oop)

[sage river]

I think it is with the matchmaking

[leaden birch]

boring

but right, and still not proven wrong in Marathon opinions

[lean basin]

git gud, I like that a AAA dev made a hardcore, niche game for us FPS degenerates, go play any other baby game for PvE

[valid stone]

I do the love the game, I just don't love the builds

[vestal lark]

Why do you pay $40 to shoot target dummys? At least play a single player game where that's the point

[wanton ibex]

"Please change the game to what I want despite the fact that there are hundreds of PvE games that cater to me."

[gilded seal]

a lot of people need to overcome gear fear. i hated tarkov for a LOT of reasons, gear fear being one of them, but this game helped me overcome gear fear completely

[ornate badge]

PvE would be terrible lol

[leaden birch]

that may be true

but this sock puppet has yet to be proven wrong

[hearty copper]

Shut up with your numbers this game is not for everyone thus why people are leaving realizing they arent good enough to succeed in this game

[scarlet hare]

They trying to kiss robots in #🎨marathon-community-art-chat

[granite wyvern]

🫡

[proper storm]

well yea but i think the extract formula works amazingly for it and is also a fun and different gameplay loop from most other fps genres, idk its simply just a choice that i dont think you could call good or bad. Personally fell in love with the extract loop from Arc and this game just feels like that but literally 10x better lol

[vestal lark]

this game basically doesn't have gear fear. No gear feels truly rare or so special that you cant risk it

[reef grove]

have u heard of halo there's like a dozen halo campaigns and u can play them with ur friends and it feels so much like marathon that ur gonna feel real silly tryna turn one game into another

[shadow sage]

yep! gear fear will ruin this game for someone. YOu gotta accept it's a video game, it's all fake, it all means nothing, it's jsut about the journey and the chance to dominate a season

[rancid pebble]

CEO of being clueless

[wanton ibex]

I would love them to continue the franchise with a single player game. Who knows if this game does well enough in the long run it might happen.

[valid stone]

It'll be interesting when we hit 10k players or less and people here are still like "It's not for everyone." PvE isn't the answer: better PvP is

[green granite]

On the contrary; the sock puppet just doesn't fucken listen

[icy sorrel]

This time last week there was 45k people playing, now 36k. Bout a 25% dip

[ornate badge]

You want PvE with a single enemy?

[unborn sundial]

“Bungie needs to change the game into a different game to attract people who aren’t interested in the game”

what about those of us that actually like the game and don’t want people who don’t like the game to have a vote about it

[gilded seal]

this, will it happen? who knows, but i think everybody should win here. i like the game, i hope it does well, but i understand why people are turned off from it

[ionic loom]

look at daily peaks not current numbers

[pure remnant]

people get really into hating things these days

[leaden birch]

in the 60s, increased a RANK over the weekend, almost VIP in every faction, 300k wallet, 400k Vault, 1 trophy away from Platinum

nah, i'm doing QUITE fine for myself

[cunning temple]

anywho, now that cryo weekend is over what're your guys thoughts on it? I had a lot of fun— next weekend i might try hitting the compiler :))

[wanton ibex]

Nah bro they need to go the Star Wars Galaxies route. Completely change the game to cater to an audience that probably won't care while alienating their player base and losing them.

[severe egret]

Not even taking a side, but how do you know you'd hate the game Bungie ended up with if they did listen to some of that feedback?

[boreal forge]

larp larp larp sahur

[hearty copper]

you’re a shotgun rat 🐀

[shadow sage]

It's gonna be funny when this game does just fine and all the people who talked shit are gonna back track lol

[reef grove]

i would rather the game die sooner and stay the kind of game it is tbh

[gilded seal]

oh dude i love it, i love how the entire launch of the game was based around the thematic aspects of "run. die. run again." it is PERFECT for this genre.

[unborn sundial]

Star Wars Galaxies mentioned

[pure remnant]

I need to run it with friends/ voicechat

[proper storm]

i would be fascinated to see how theyd fit in the whole trilogy, since the timeline after the first is well... messy... to say the least but im pretty certain the first one happened as shown

[umbral iris]

halo is fun and all but i’ll keep demanding PVE because i’m not going back to the game i have 5000 hours in. plus the last 2 halo games were kinda mid

[raw parrot]

bongo needs to change the game to be perfect for me, and then hire a bunch of players to run around so I can shoot them

[hearty copper]

Shotguns are lame and you will grow into a rat if you keep using em

[leaden birch]

i actually despise shotguns and snipers

my favorite loadout is LOOKOUT and VOLLEY RIFLE on a VANDAL

[granite wyvern]

why did you write this like a homestuck introduction

[icy sorrel]

Im saying this time of day one week ago (7 days ago at this very moment) there were 45k players playing whereas right now there are 36k

[crimson dove]

they wont back track they will continue to say it will die then in 5-10 years will be like i was right!1

[willow flower]

the drone should suck more and the recon drone should suck less

[hearty copper]

why did this turn me on

[umbral iris]

its called “getting players addicted” and its nothing new for bungie

[unborn sundial]

They shouldn’t listen to what players say when they have access to play data. Almost nobody has the ability to both know what they want and actually articulate it. Don’t listen to gamers. They are stupid.

[fierce vault]

too bad, because she is fighting for your rights whether you want it or not 😂

[mint elbow]

Thank you for sharing

[ionic loom]

youd still look at peaks

[leaden birch]

why are people attacking me personally when i voice game opinions

it's not like i go up to someone making a PVP comment and say

"fat neckbeard wannabe trials of osiris shotgunny snipey rat cheater"

^^^ that is you guys to me every day when i say something that cannot be disproven

[deep lion]

They were warned about those stairs bro

[reef grove]

oh okay well good luck with ur brave armchair crusade soldier

[severe egret]

Dude, TONS of games take player feedback. This is kind of an insane take. Bungie are the ones that would need to be smart enough to only take the good ideas, not the fans.

[ornate badge]

I want a system shock-like remake for the old marathon games maybe, or a new story.

[gilded seal]

i will never forgive them for what they did to destiny. thousands of hours and i haven't played since 2023, i haven't played consistently since 2022. yet they roped me back in with this one.

[granite wyvern]

🙏

[raw parrot]

fat neckbeard wannabe trials of osiris shotgunny snipey rat cheater

[stoic swift]

is that new CyAc contract coming soon just the Cryo Contract or?

[umbral iris]

thanks you

[tropic geyser]

When I'm bringing purple everything into cryo I want to win, and you need a shotgun for optimal readiness, everyone else is using one

[unborn sundial]

TONS of games suck ass

[magic rose]

I just be twerkin

[gilded seal]

eat this felwinter's lie boy

[leaden birch]

sorry

i accidentally have that effect on people sometimes, it's a curse

(( joking ))

[green granite]

Cus you got disproven and proceeded to bad faith every fkn argument cus your heads so far up your own ass

[shadow sage]

June 10th, 2036 Bungie - "It has a been a privilege running with everyone! We will be closing the servers down in 30 days in preparation for Marathon 2"

Haters - "SEE GAMES DEAD GG CHUDS"

[stoic swift]

not bringing a shotgun into Cryo is genuine suicide I hate to tell you

[granite wyvern]

i should get that skin for bringing in two shotguns and xf'ing 🤔

[reef grove]

instantly taking feedback from the whinest subset of the population is what tanks games

[tropic geyser]

I don't like that the WSTR is still very strong either but thats that state of the game currently

[neat osprey]

Should've added real mouse sensitivities 🤣

[still flicker]

i dont care

[wanton ibex]

SmashJt and Grummz will reply to that post in seconds and say "another woke game died told you so"

[gilded seal]

shotguns are awesome because closing the distance on someone who is failing to get you when they have a clear advantage is one of the most rewarding feelings you can get in an fps

[severe egret]

How is that relevant here? Games can suck ass without any player input because no one is even playing them.

[true lava]

Yea fr my sensitivity is 6% different than my CS2 one bc of this, it sucks

[tropic geyser]

the pump actions are fine, it's the instant death double barrel that's still a problem,

[ornate badge]

It would be a dumb choice at this point, Maybe down the line when there's more substance.

[granite wyvern]

post this when they least expect it

[severe egret]

And who suggested they do that? Because this is always what people do, get super specific about something no one was claiming Then say " see, I win the argument!" lol

[hearty copper]

no skill required though with a ridiculous ttk that should be nerfed

[still flicker]

[shadow sage]

how many times has the game been officially dead? I'm waiting for it's weekly death

[keen echo]

Are marathon players poor, no one uses a mic even on cryo or ranked, yet its rare to fine someone without

[true lava]

Chat stop typing in here and log into the game, we need ur numbers

[ornate badge]

Maybe they just don't like you.

[wintry wasp]

solo queue lmao

[hearty copper]

IM GETTING A PUMPPPP BABY

[umbral iris]

i’m in the camp of “bungie should listen to feedback but not the top 1% or content creators”

[shadow sage]

actually I appreciate this. time for a run

[gilded seal]

i mentioned it the other day, fps games ALWAYS have shotgun discourse, and sometimes it results in shotguns being worthless when in fact shotguns should be allowed to excel in their alloted range: point blank

[magic rose]

🫃

[proper storm]

yea lowkey think if they made it so that at best the wstr can only two tap you when you have gray shields, would make it feel a whole lot better to play against without also taking away from how fun it feels

[still flicker]

just saying im not talking to the guy asking if i have a mic

[leaden birch]

Aggressive Ballistics, Shot Package, Rifled Barrel, Luck in the Chamber

i see you

[true lava]

I’m literally mid solo run rn chat get in here double the player count stop slacking

[raw parrot]

and on the flipside, a game's popularity is not always a good indicator of it's quality. There's tons of absolute dogshit, unplayable games that suck joy out of you like a Dementor, and still have hundreds of thousands of players. Case in point: League of Legends

[reef grove]

i didn't say u said that, and it wasn't an argument?

[gilded seal]

dap me up

[rich bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-marvel-meme-what-heroes-do-gif-14703930

[severe egret]

Well, shotguns in video games are not much like shotguns in real life.

[hearty copper]

I get it it should but the TTK allows me zero time to react and perhaps strafe away from getting every pellet hitting me

[reef grove]

i'm tabbing back and forth waiting for the time to hit ~5min so i can maybe finish this fucking traxus equitable distribution quest

[gilded seal]

because players would complain

[still flicker]

fr shotguns in real life can kill a person very far away

[manic mauve]

you've got the heart beat🎶

[slim summit]

Question. Do faction reputation levels also reset when a season ends? Or just their trees

[wintry wasp]

They should make claymores kill out to like 200 meters

[severe egret]

Okay so it was just something random to say for no reason? I can't even actually think of an example of what you are talking about.

[still flicker]

can we get duality lorentz in marathon?

[gilded seal]

exactly, so keeping the devastating nature of shotguns point blank is ideal while making them useless at range. slug shotguns are a different story, bungie has been down this road before with shotguns

[scarlet hare]

Well, laser rifles in real life are not much like laser rifles in video games.

[wintry wasp]

Styropyro would disagree

[hearty copper]

Destiny 1 shotguns 💀

[gilded seal]

chaperone my beloved, i miss you. BUNGIE!!! ADD CHAPERONE TO MARATHON AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!

[shadow sage]

honestly, they should just buff light rounds in general. this would elimante a lot of the shotgun hate (EDIT I know u said sniper, just my take)

[scarlet hare]

I am intrigued

[leaden birch]

aight, a promise is a promise

keepin it short today

if you're still playing, try to have fun, remember!!

if you wanna grind REP, make sure to HELP OTHERS DO THEIR QUESTS (( if you can find new players ))

also, remember to grind for Faction Upgrades (( less stressful and rewarding too ))

[wintry wasp]

Look him up on YouTube

[raw parrot]

100% agreed, double the damage on Retaliator

[gilded seal]

i've seen enough, give assassin search and destroy

[radiant nexus]

guys can u play NA+EU in this game or is it an unplayable laggy mess for one then?

[severe egret]

I'm just saying, they don't HAVE to be that way. They're already not doing what they do in real life.

[scarlet hare]

I think the main discourse around shotguns is the availability of the double barrel. It's fine that they're awesome

It's unfortunate that I cam buy a near unlimited amount of dbs

[untold rock]

Let me put a red dot on a sniper and have an attachment that removes its moving while aiming accuracy debuff

[shadow sage]

they should* certainly be rarer!

[wanton ibex]

Everyone should play this game like Halo. Charge up the V11 and take out shields like the plasma pistol then switch to the BR and aim for the head

[atomic quail]

triple the pistols damage, i need my v11 to be even funnier

[gilded seal]

this would be a valid solution. just make it more expensive probably.

[flint ingot]

Yeah, they're having server issues.

[scarlet hare]

Ngl I put 0 thought into that if it wasn't obvious I yearn for the engagement

[mint elbow]

That pistol charge is only good on triage

[radiant nexus]

no no i mean can i team with guys from NA while i am in EU or will it be shit

[raw parrot]

oh for sure they need to change the useless golden mod on the V11 (charged shots track and overheat targets) to the one Misriah gets (changed fire mode from semi to full auto at higher RPM)

[untold rock]

It’s 6k credits, half the playerbase doesn’t even have that in their stash

[reef grove]

early days of starcraft 2 they rebalanced shit constantly based on feedback from the whinest pro players and it sucked ass. u said something about taking player feed back, i replied with a lil anecdotal caveat about taking player feedback, it's not an argument and u don't need to reply

[magic rose]

I got like… 2000

[gilded seal]

half the playerbase needs to get their money up

[atomic quail]

honestly turning the charge pistol into a volt glock full auto would be hilarious

[strange rose]

at what time can rooks start spawning?

[ornate badge]

Who buys a shotgun?

[shadow sage]

what do you mean I can't 6 pool anymore?!??!!

[scarlet hare]

Honestly I'd go a step further. Double barrels are currently the only shotgun purchasable without a schema

Simply make it a schema then bam its in the same boat as the other shotguns

[untold rock]

People who don’t extract with them

[mint elbow]

14 min

[severe egret]

You don't need to reply either? It clearly was an argument, because you came to back it up. And your example is a game that is what, like 20+ years old?

[gilded seal]

petition to increase the rate of fire on the volt thrower

[tired halo]

is there any double barrel nerf coming soon?

[atomic quail]

you got a shotgun by buying it in the store
i got a shotgun by finding it on a random enemy i ratted with a v11
we are not the same

[raw parrot]

I think it's after the first exfils spawn. I've rooked into matches with a 16-17 minute timer on them.

[red pilot]

WHAT. WAS. THAT. I opened armory, got hit by a turret for half hp in a single shot, hid from it around the shelf, but it somehow knocked me back and downed me. Can somebody explain?

[scarlet hare]

Also I have to ask what makes you think that?

[vocal quail]

marathon

[cobalt oak]

if double barrel gets another substantial nerf itll flip to being bad. not that I would necessarily mind

[strange rose]

Noted, ty

[untold rock]

What do you want nerfed? Since its range was just nerfed

[alpine crown]

Friendly reminder that outside exists, going for a walk can do a lot for your mental health! 🌱☀️🍃

[gilded seal]

increase punch lunge so i can one two punch people, let's go back to the crucible days

[atomic quail]

have a gold mod for the volt thrower be an inverse of its normal function, Low RoF that ramps up. im basically describing sweet business....

[wintry wasp]

Let us eager edge

[reef grove]

if u have to reload between volleys to score a kill with a shotgun the gun is pointless

[gilded seal]

good lord, that takes me back

[untold rock]

That annihilator lmg already exists dude

[scarlet hare]

There's 2 gold volt thrower mods?

[radiant nexus]

we sword flying with macros again

[wintry wasp]

I want to play Garden of Salvation in creative mode

[crisp halo]

How about going for a RUN instead? 👀

[clear dirge]

What are the poisonous plants called?

[atomic quail]

oh fr? i wont lie i havent played as much as i should have, HD2 update and slay the spire 2 eating away at my attention

[fresh moth]

assholes

[scarlet hare]

Gassinators

[raw parrot]

from my experience, "fuck shit goddamnit, anyone have a mechanic's kit?"

[gilded seal]

AIDS plants

[vestal lark]

They do need to widen the gap between vendor shotguns and snipers and schema only ones.

Like I think the sniper should be a bolt action and the shotgun needs to have a very long reload.

I'm talking hunt showdown levels of clunk

[shadow sage]

"FUCK THIS SHIT!" would also have sufficed

[atomic quail]

i dont need to be alone with my thoughts ona walk after losing 10 times in a row

[scarlet hare]

Oh no, idk. The gold mod I always get are explosions from continued shooting

[wintry nova]

dude holy fuck they need to do something about bubble shields, its either shotguns or just waste your mag and get pushed on reload

[foggy magnet]

I call them pods

[gilded seal]

wrong reply, my bad 😭 meant to reply to to the plant name message

[shadow sage]

born from the HIV plant

[raw parrot]

counterpoint: just walk away

[scarlet hare]

I completely disagree with this ngl

[gilded seal]

i will say, it's funny to be able to tell who just did a run, got dicked down, and then comes into the server to complain about the strat that dicked them down 😭

[wintry nova]

Yeah just walk away from a team bubbling the final exfil great idea

[reef grove]

alternate counterpoint: most satisfying time to have a chem grenade

[atomic quail]

the secret third option of 'just wait for them to leave the bubble'

[torpid jasper]

I wanna see purple synergistic cores.

Triage core: when using your prime ability on a recon, overload their ping ability and sonar the whole map.

[sour fern]

I have marathon a hearty well intentioned try level 47 or so and im just not enjoying it

Solo que is garbage and random team fill is a coin toss i really dont like that i have to go outside of the game to find teammates

If I would would use one word to describe the issues with the game it would be friction

Theres so many tedious systems that make it difficult to just hop in and play

[foggy magnet]

Well he has a point, by the time a bubble has come out there’s no way to just leave the fight.

They’re meta for a reason

[wintry nova]

Its need a counter that isnt the contraband gun shooting grenades through it

[raw parrot]

you have a visible timer for final exfil, just slide into the shield when there's two seconds left, they won't finish you off in time

[hollow wing]

100

[vestal lark]

I want to keep their raw power while diminishing their ability to clutch a 1v3

The effective dps is too high for a vendor weapon

[crisp halo]

I'm mainly doing the dicking with the Longshot, still going to say this thing needs to be gutted as often as I can

[reef grove]

can u shoot out of the bubble ive literally never used one

[cobalt oak]

no

[shadow sage]

facts

[foggy magnet]

I think volt weapons should be able to break it faster, like shields in Halo

[radiant nexus]

thats crazy this game is really really simple compared to most other games i play so i feel like its a breeze, have only played solo far tho

[lyric fiber]

i feel bad for anyone playing ranked because its 100% cheaters 😂

[gilded seal]

is there a mod that increases ads time? i don't recall, i use it here and there and that ads time is a little agonizing but then again i'm brainrotted so

[nimble canyon]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3684676574

Got a guide for bypassing banned countries up on steam, don't think this should be allowed.

[strong temple]

the swap speed isn't nearly as fast as halo tbh and the v-11 punch kills super fast to the body legit the best volt weapon in the game and probably top 3 guns in the game overall

[scarlet hare]

Had a rook manage to kill my 2 gold gear homies at exfil with like the 70 grenades he had stashed in his rook holes

Instantly went to the discord to see if the guy posted the goop he got . He didn't, I'm convinced he died before exfil

[raw parrot]

snitches get stitches

[fresh moth]

homie has never seen a thermal scope

[cobalt oak]

why not

[foggy magnet]

I am 100% never touching ranked in this game, it sounds very poorly conceptualized and I’m sure like you said the toxic people will flock to it

[narrow olive]

im sitting here trying to unbind a key thinking that im just slow for not being able to do it but no.....

[wintry nova]

Im partial to the idea of emps knocking it down for a second or 2

[scarlet hare]

Homie is still dying to green shields

[torpid jasper]

Synergistic cores like-

Destroyer core: when your tactical shield takes damage, triage gets reduced cooldowns.

[reef grove]

ranked is 100% gonna change, theyre calling s1 ranked a beta even

[foggy magnet]

That would be cool yeah

[ornate badge]

Stabbing gets me most of my weapons.

[shadow sage]

imagine you're on your way to exfil with a fat bag, and then an assassin steps out of nowhere on proximity chat and says "Yo, what's poppin"

[crisp halo]

yep there's optic mods that increase ads speed

[narrow olive]

lwk what is the difference between bungie and a small indie game dev company

[lyric fiber]

yea its mostly just cheaters im like 2 matches off from diamond only running into streamers & hackers lol

[cobalt oak]

the indie dev has 3x the output per developer

[nimble canyon]

Banned for a reason.

[heavy stream]

hey if anyone wants to direct their hate to rooks who camp exfils on outpost. You can send that hate here. Cheers

[wintry wasp]

#📽️run-clips message

[narrow olive]

and the small indie game dev company has an actual passion for their work so theres less bugs and less microtransactions 😭

[gilded seal]

i LOVE rook when people are fighting a bunch of UESC, hold on let me find a silly clip of my first time playing rook

[torpid jasper]

Or

Vandal core: your tactical abilities now also spawn smoke fields that can make assassin invisible.

[woeful inlet]

You got proof? 👀

[raw parrot]

that literally happened. dude finished me off with one second left, too, like he was going to loot me (he instantly exfilled as soon as the animation finished)

[mint elbow]

I think the game calls them Toxic Flora

[lyric fiber]

ragebaiting random people when we both know i have 10x your stash value and 100x your wallet value 😭

[shadow sage]

man that is DIRTY

[upbeat hare]

the joy of executing a runner or 2 and watching as their friend exfils without them

[torpid jasper]

Or

Thief core: you can now load your drone with meds and use it on teammates to administer.

[nimble canyon]

F a r t p l a n t s

[narrow olive]

i just bought marathon and if ts isnt as fun as everyone makes it seem. bungie is going to the looney bin

[vestal lark]

They need a max loadout value. In min for bronze is 3.5k then make the max 5.5k (made it up)

The guys climbing the ranks will just bring full purples with thermals and shit on the guys in greens

[gilded verge]

25 arachne rep

[sour fern]

It is simple too simple for the effort and set up you have to go through to have solid runs with good teammates i like the game at its core but it feels bogged down by lack of in game player connectivity like a pre raid lobby where you can plan the raid with your random teammates loading in to a trio that is already set up in their gear and objectives etc is not a good method for matchmaking

[reef grove]

imo i should get everything for free and i should start at diamond rank every season and only i get to keep my stuff thru reset and also cyro is open 24/7 just for me

[lyric fiber]

what am i suppose to show? me getting rolled? its just obvious when one guy ding ding dead your entire time in 15~ seconds, and yes we all had jammers on.

[wintry wasp]

plänt

[rotund ether]

why tf can people spawn and be in a fight in less than 10 seconds.

[sour fern]

Static spawns

[gilded seal]

population control

[woeful inlet]

I mean yeah, showing exactly that would help then just randomly claiming it’s due to cheaters and not some skill issue

[nimble canyon]

Map kinda small, semi static spawns

[radiant nexus]

some people have the ability to move the mouse in a way that lets them hit their target, maybe u are not one of them

[heavy stream]

oh it is joyous. When I find a v66 on outpost I'm like, ... is it exfil camping time? It's exfil camping time

there's a specific exfil where you have SUCH a vantage point it's crazy

[rotund ether]

Static spawns is such a bad idea. esp on dire marsh when some spawn areas are legit just across from others

[woven heron]

Cats have a negative damage resistance modifier so that might be the issue

[lyric fiber]

its not like this has only happened one time lol im getting the same.ppl nearly every game they are blatant w keying us and instant rolling us

[gilded seal]

dire marsh is agony i'm negl

[raw parrot]

it's fun, just don't be the team that loses

[sour fern]

They're semi static in the sense that other player spawns left or right of you

[fathom pulsar]

She marathon on my WSTR till I tick milk

[heavy stream]

is this in ranked?

[lyric fiber]

unfortunately i happen to be better than you at this game in every single possible aspect 🪿

[river ridge]

It is also very easy to gain an advantage to force a team to push you. Depends on how you wanna play recon.

[nimble canyon]

Dire Marsh is the place to just suffer in this game gonna be honest.

[stone grail]

Outpost too

[gilded seal]

that damned jungle

[lyric fiber]

yes its ranked. im platinum 1 and every lobby is the same people and it takes 15~ minutes to find a match

[final peak]

So they know where teams can spawn and are pushing spawns. You're not being cheated, you're just having initiative taken from you.

[reef grove]

what did u think this was gonna sound like when u composed it in ur head

[livid hull]

for a runner elim to count to me do i have to be the one to finish or can a teammate? i downed a whole team and only got credit for 1

[heavy stream]

hard disagree, dire marsh is all open sightlines and a murky. People just go in with thermals and thief and zoom about sniping/BR'ing you from the fog. It's not a fun place to be.

[radiant nexus]

okay u can stay delusional all you want, u dont even know me but still talk shit while i probably would wipe the floor with u little american bot

[lyric fiber]

guy who isnt me and doesnt know what im experiencing telling me im wrong like he saw it happen

[upbeat hare]

compared to cryo? Lol

[gilded seal]

tarkov

[heavy stream]

and this is surprising to you? jw

[final peak]

You didn't see it happen either, you're under the delusion that you're being cheated lmao.

[nimble canyon]

I had more sucessful and profitable cryo runs than I have dire marsh, I don't know what to tell you.

[radiant nexus]

tarkov what? xd

[untold rock]

All of a sudden ranked comes out and you’re getting cheated on

[reef grove]

ur literally doing the same thing in response lol just dont reply to the ppl u dont want to engage with

[lyric fiber]

no honestly i dont even care abt dying to hackers now im concerned with how painfully toxic this chat is yall are a awful standard for this community

[ancient narwhal]

Yeah

[cobalt oak]

projection tbh

[woeful inlet]

Wild take

[fathom pulsar]

I'm just here as a Vandal enjoyer

[final peak]

Bro who loses once in a video game: "Must be cheaters."

[gaunt fractal]

the hate for this game is the most forced i have ever seen

[heavy stream]

cryo has some stuff to do first, then you can filter into the central area to pvp and it's somewhat easy to avoid. Dire Marsh feels like it has no REAL cover because of how quickly teams can cover ground and have access to medium high ground which covers vast areas, even if they can't pick you off from where they are it's an easy rotation to clock you. It's a bad map imho. There I said it, I said I wouldn't but I did!

[lyric fiber]

sorry i wont be falling for this ragebait my friend

[flint ingot]

I just did a run that led me to a cache and it was just a pile of dirt. What am I meant to do with that?

[final peak]

No need to bait you, you already did it to yourself.

[sour fern]

There core gameplay is good the structure around it feels bad imo static spawns for example

[fathom pulsar]

Grow grass

[lyric fiber]

did he just say his last name is burger

[bleak wind]

Now do I get the little MTHN emblem next to my name on discord?

[rich bolt]

must be one of them arc raider sissies

[reef grove]

in ur profile customization section u can turn a tag on for any server ur in that has one

[lyric fiber]

im one of the highest ranks in the world on this game and i refunded arc because its dogshit

[bleak wind]

Thank you

[plain sapphire]

yall you know how there are locked rooms on like perimeter and dire marsh, right?

how do you get keycards for those?

[viral thunder]

marathon is the exact pvp i need i dont need none of that DONT SHOOT shit . no. i a m going to take that loot my friend. this game is unique

[atomic quail]

I was watching a vid and heard them describe arc raiders as 'Cocomelon Tarkov'

[ripe wharf]

As much as it put a hole in my vault I miss cryo

[reef grove]

random drops from priority uesc, other players, key templates from cyberacme or nucal i cant remember which

[fathom pulsar]

Completely random spawn finds via bosses, events, etc.

[sour fern]

No fooling? Those locked doors all over can be unlocked?

[humble tiger]

me and my buddies got like 10 kills on perimeter son i love arachne

[fresh drift]

Idk, giving away your position for a chance that a team pushes you poorly doesn't seem ideal. Certainly creative tho

[atomic quail]

I gotta find a group to play this game with

[stone grail]

This explains the multiple game bans on your profile

[radiant nexus]

static spawns are good u just have to learn them, random spawns would add unnecessary rng to an already rng heavy game(loot, random events around the map, reacting to fights)

[untold rock]

Key templates or finding them randomly

[civic crest]

Who here played cryo ?

[lyric fiber]

thanks make sure to leave a comment glad i have fans like you

[bleak wind]

Is there an LFG in this discord?

[reef grove]

multiple of both vac and dev bans lmaoooo

[rich bolt]

#lfc-any-zone

[nocturne kayak]

Yo gang, Silent Hill 2 and Silent Hill f OR Cronos New Dawn and Dead Space remake

[true lava]

Good change

[atomic quail]

Always a good thing when they realise rng for keys to experience the big draw of a map on a time limited map is a bad thing

[gaunt fractal]

i just hope it brings people back

[lyric fiber]

i feel bad for this fram guy desparately trying to get me to reply to him 😭

[sour fern]

I dont think its good thag when I load into map I and the other players already know where eachother are

[livid hull]

for a runner elim to count to me do i have to be the one to finish or can a teammate? i downed a whole team and only got credit for

[gilded seal]

Why do you have multiple vac bans and dev bans though

[gaunt fractal]

im so pissed off at how little of a chance people gave this game

[stone grail]

are you that insecure that you need fans or pretend to have some ? Anyways, this just explains how you can recognize cheaters, it takes one to know one, altho you are exaggerating how many there are.

[civic crest]

It’s time limited? Do bungie understand the situation they are in?

[lyric fiber]

because i cheated in like 12 different games? use your brain

[radiant nexus]

u really just losing because they do and u dont then

[stoic fern]

did anyone ever actually find the final exfil in cryo?

[untold rock]

Yes, multiple did multiple times

[lyric fiber]

your bio explained everything i needed to know i didnt even read a single word of your message

[gilded seal]

I was just asking you a question lil man no need to get hostile, youre the one with the whole criminal record over here 😭

[fathom pulsar]

It's time limited to 4 days a week, which is over half of a week. Friday through Monday I believe.

[radiant nexus]

i prefer gaining useful knowledge over it being fully random every game

[bleak wind]

Than you

[stone grail]

Im surprised you can read at all.

[fierce vault]

why are you not sharing clips if you're sure you got rolled by cheaters?

[warm thunder]

lmao

[lyric fiber]

you cant send videos here

[untold rock]

Boohoo you can’t play Tuesday Wednesday and Thursday

[reef grove]

can we just ignore him and move on this is so boring

[still flicker]

this chat is boring

[civic crest]

Bro are you okay?

[gaunt fractal]

what would bungie need to do to get eyes on the game again

[stone grail]

Good idea, they keep self owning themselves anyways

[fresh drift]

Feel like the knowledge gaining aspect is pretty diminished when the info is readily available online.

[sour fern]

Its not about winning or losing its that on any map the general location of every player is known to eachother and within sprinting distance or you hold back and wait for them to enter the poi and stealth them

[bleak spruce]

dedicated pve

[lyric fiber]

yall all started freaking out and replying to me with essays because theres cheaters in high gold lobbies lmao yall are all in bronze acting like u seen what i seen

[still flicker]

it just came out dude chill

[magic rose]

Show the ass on assassin

[woeful inlet]

Thank you

[gaunt fractal]

i agree with this one

[civic crest]

Dude making fun of me because I can’t play 4 hours a day?

[vestal siren]

I agree with this one

[fathom pulsar]

Let us remove Vandal's shoes

[rich bolt]

#📽️run-clips
convenient eh?

[woeful inlet]

If you’d record a clip we all could see what you see, instead of you coming in here to complain

[plucky jay]

START USING BATTERY ONLY LOADOUTS NOW‼️ YOU WILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE FUN‼️

[craggy abyss]

is there an lfg here?

[nimble lichen]

Okay so...

[gaunt fractal]

i think if the people who played on release played now we'd be having a much different time 2 weeks in

[royal lichen]

monkeys paw curls. the foot comes off too

[untold rock]

No ones making fun of you, just don’t complain because of your own limitations that are self inflicted

[nimble sedge]

rook is very good for resource runs

[fierce vault]

#📽️run-clips

[rich bolt]

#lfc-any-zone

[fathom pulsar]

😔

[lyric fiber]

i would rather ragebait you all now than prove what i saw lmao you guys are all weird as hell 😭 ill enjoy having infinite free loot from ranked w the occasional L to cheaters

[sour fern]

Thr amount of times I just waiting like 5 minutes before entering the significant loot area and then just sniper the first person to show themselves does not nake for a good experience for me or them

[rich bolt]

new update or just from experience? xD

[nimble sedge]

on this topic, what is standard for asking to join? do i dm or ping?

[civic crest]

Brother you are saying boohoo and I’m saying them removing a map even if it returns hurts it more than help tf?

[arctic narwhal]

why

[gilded seal]

I feel like making it limited gives you time to build up your vault before going back into an area with an ante is an interesting design

[fierce vault]

tbf you're unlikely to be able to ragebait anyone if you aren't willing to share clips and are openly admitting to wanting to ragebait

[rich bolt]

safe bet is to dm and if you dont hear back in around a minute you can ping to see if they still need members

[radiant nexus]

sure, but not everybody will look that stuff up, and it gives u an advantage knowing something the enemy doesnt, and thats a core part of any fps if u wanna play competitively

[woeful inlet]

I can’t prove my claim so I’ll just say it’s rage bait, that will show them!

Sure bud.

[plucky jay]

Oh I’m just trying it and loving it lol

V22 and V99 combo is amazing

[nimble sedge]

k thx

[civic crest]

I can just do that with the map in the game…

[arctic narwhal]

how yall playing cryo and extracting with this terrible performance? I need this maint to have some juicy patch notes bro

[merry owl]

anyone else feel like this is the best game that's come out in a while? I am so hooked and in love

[stoic swift]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2036223289220276410 WAR IS OVER

[nimble sedge]

how yall playing cryo?

[gilded seal]

Yeah the game isnt super well optimized I’m ngl

[fresh drift]

I mean that's fair I just don't find it particularly interesting is all

[wicked loom]

Fr ong

[nimble lichen]

So Im looking into cryo archive key drops and ive figured out... Cryo archive key 01 (superior lockboxed), key 03 (Ghost Warden), key 04 (Scorch Warden), key 05 (Tox Warden), key 06(lockdown 3x AND Outpost convoy). Anyone know how to get key 02??? or if theres more ways to get key 06????

[plain sapphire]

where can we get templates

[tribal parrot]

Good change w subroutines

[arctic narwhal]

actually how are people getting the anomaly on dire marsh? it keeps appearing under the map

[gaunt fractal]

i dont know how fickle sony is gonna be about this though, i pray to god they stick with it

[final peak]

Trade UESC obedience matrices or shell IDs to CyAc for them.

[lyric plank]

They doing it y’all

CRYO UPDATE: We have a lot of convos around the game going right now, but one thing we've aligned on and will be doing for the next Cryo window is making Subroutines a 100% drop from each vault. Thanks for the feedback we'll keep hammering on more updates.

[lucid rain]

going back to outpost after cryo is brutal

[arctic narwhal]

poorly optimized and TONS of bugs. I haven't been to cryo since I got the scanner bug that didn't reveal the exfils. totally unacceptable bruh

[radiant nexus]

maybe im just thinking too sweaty having mainly played comp shooters for the past 10 years, not everybody plays games my way and especially a bungie game will have many casual players just trying to vibe

[burnt vortex]

anyone what to run duos?

[final peak]

Oh neat, if only the map was playable for long enough for that to matter.

[wheat vale]

that's a visual bug. If there is a real anomaly it will appear elsewhere.

[ruby isle]

any1 else ever have a glitch where theyre screen is all black when u try to join a game?

[lyric fiber]

stay mad that ur worse than me and cant play high end ranked

[tribal parrot]

Agreed we need ten more minutes

[proper storm]

tbh my most consistent spot for 2 was the pinwheel center strongbox

[lyric plank]

Hopefully they extended the days

[rotund ether]

Wack that meta close range is just knifes and bubble shields but ok lol.

[final peak]

Idc about the raid timer, I mean there's no legitimate reason for the map to be trios only and only on weekends.

[rich bolt]

WILD, thats some crazy work right there but i cants say its wrong xD
innovation that excites

[nimble lichen]

Oh sweet so probably the same as key 01 then thanks!

[arctic narwhal]

hmm it should show on the map right? might have to test later

[fleet badge]

i see literally 0 reason it isnt open all the time other than keeping other maps populated

[wheat vale]

this usually clears up after some time. If it persists, alt+f4 your game and reconnect.

[proper storm]

no prob!!

[shadow sage]

Games very optimized. 1% lows are amazing and I lock at 141 max settings at 1440p.

[bleak spruce]

free playtesting

[woeful inlet]

Now I just gotta say that he’s the one that’s really mad, not me! Surely someone will believe me!

Sure bud.

[median jetty]

honestly just remove proximity chat no enemy team i run into gives a flying fuck they just nomic greed and fuck off

[fleet thicket]

HOLY FUCK THE SOLO QUEUE EXPERIENCE IS UN FUCKING BERABLE BUNGIE ADD GOD DAMNED GEAR BASED MATCHMAKING I SHOULDNT BE GETTING NO MIC FREE KIT RANDOMS WHEN I COME IN WITH FULL MATERIALIST PURPLE LOADOUT

[willow flower]

every run is pain and suffering

[tribal parrot]

Oh for that I like that it only on weekends gives runs more weight in terms of loot and keeps the economy from flooding with juice

[fresh drift]

I hear you, I do like knowledge checks in games but some part of me would enjoy the more unique runs pseudo-random spawns could provide

[fierce vault]

limiting exposure to endgame content and loot to keep it interesting and ensure the loot isn't widespread

[final peak]

Turn crew fill off, you'll be in solos-only matches and have way more fun.

[wheat vale]

The blue icon appears under the ramp outside complex sometimes, but there is nothing there.

[gilded seal]

Prox chat is an improvement to every game it’s in, the game literally tells you not to trust other runners

[radiant nexus]

u beggin for your life via voip ? xd

[fleet thicket]

THIS GAME HAS THE WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORST SOLO QUEUE FILL EXPERIENCE OF ANY OTHER GAME IT IS AWFUL

[rich bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-mocking-gif-15817237996465785395

[sour fern]

I think that 'winning' is clearly the goal but the path to victory and also the path to defeat should be fun still

[untold rock]

LFG exists, that’s your own fault

[undone wave]

I have an idea scrap all the other shells and everyone just plays thief and she has everyone’s abilities

[final peak]

Content I'm not allowed to play isn't interesting, it's just wasting my time.

[atomic quail]

I mean it's open on weekends

[wheat vale]

Crew fill with gear you don't care about, use it to find people who are good and then use real gear to play with them.

[snow sphinx]

No bro, solo queue is fun. It’s a lot people bitching for no reason. If your not having fun that’s your fault buddy

[fleet thicket]

EXCUSE ME FOR EXPECTING THE BARE GOD DAMN MINIMUM FROM MATCHMAKING

[fathom pulsar]

This but Vandal

[bleak spruce]

marathon probs has the best solo experience when you compare it to other extraction shooters

[gilded seal]

“PLEASE DONT KILL ME PLEASE” — that guy probably has good loot, I want it.

[cobalt oak]

how did content you didn't play waste your time

[fierce vault]

How is your time being wasted by unavailable content

[bold obsidian]

Idk I haven't had a bad experience with it really

[fleet badge]

you can get borderline the same kit in less time on outpost... idk I have 3k hours on tarkov and see it no different than labs with the gear/lvl requirement for access

[median jetty]

they dont even shit talk they just instakill everyone like lifeless robots
literally 0 point in having it in the game if no one uses it

[snow sphinx]

100000% agreed.

[fleet thicket]

you are PSYCHOTIC if you think that solo queue FILL is fun. ID RATHER PLAY LEAGUE.

[rich bolt]

speaking from solo with fill on or playing solo matches?

[wheat vale]

Go play league then bro

[willow flower]

losing is not fun

[bold obsidian]

the amount of super high tier meds is insane though

[untold rock]

You’re expecting much more then the bare minimum, since skill based matchmaking and gear based matchmaking aren’t a thing in many games

[final peak]

You can't hold enough gear in your stash to be able to run cryo all weekend. So you'll have to waste time in other maps building gear up.

[lament crypt]

this is 100% a hot take but i really wish we had a really light form of SBMM, getting real tired of really bad teammates in squad fill

[fathom pulsar]

ONI literally reminds you every few runs to not give af about other runners outside of your squad

[gilded seal]

Anecdotal, I’ve had hilarious voip moments, including shit talking in the middle of a gunfight, it’s splendid

[radiant nexus]

i mean i play the game to have pvp, not to talk to enemy teams, arc raiders is a game where u can talk and find friends, this one i dont really see it

[cedar onyx]

I enjoy the occasional cringe fill encounter

[arctic narwhal]

O.o. let me use what you're using. thousands of others are complaining about it being terrible

[stoic fern]

anyone have footage of the final exfil in cryro?

[mint elbow]

I’ve rushed a spawn accidentally before, you can hunker down in a poi and plants traps at your spawn to get a free kill like a guy did to me 🥀

[lone herald]

Why tf is traxus armory still so laggy?

[stark epoch]

I've met an assassin, 3 times now, that didn't make any stealth sound
Exploit?

[snow sphinx]

“Losing is not fun” welcome
To video games bro. Learn from your losses or quit playing pvp

[willow flower]

sounds like a you problem

[dreamy warren]

Gear based matchmaking would make me stop caring about getting pvp kills

[final peak]

Nobody actually chooses to play League of Legends, that's bullshit and you know it.

[fresh drift]

I had a guy in the same area as me in South Relay and he opened with "I'm friendly", I finished looting and fcked right off. Neutral/friendly encounters happen they're just rare is all

[sour fern]

The game should be fun the pvp encounters should be fun regardless of who wins or loses

[dreamy warren]

Losing is fun if I make sure others lose too

[bold obsidian]

it would also ruin the experience of going in and looting players you can defeat or outsmart if your loot is always the same or better

[merry owl]

agreed, have had lots of fun matches and met cool people I've added. there are bad ones too ofc but that's normal.

[willow flower]

this

[fierce vault]

Where do you find the Biotoxic Disinjector on Outpost?

[lament crypt]

we should have LOOSE gbmm, by loose i mean free kits shouldnt be against the best loot in the game

[median jetty]

@fathom pulsar idc about lore in gameplay
@gilded seal must be nice
@radiant nexus im not trying to make friends im just trying to have any interaction at all but the only thing ive gotten is the enemy team calling one of my team mates a slur lol

[crimson inlet]

Everytime I come in without a free kit I get the worst teammates on the planet xD

[fleet badge]

realistically youre not carrying an abundance out, again this is coming from someone with 3k hours on tarkov and did hatchet runs on labs for straig free money

[autumn dove]

9/10 its a gank or rat fest lol

[rich bolt]

just play solos, dont queue with anyone and take the game how you want to play it

[magic rose]

Snuck into someone’s exfil, when he saw me I yelled “Im friendly!” And he booked it. I felt so bad for stealing his exfil. I was literally 1hp too lol

[cedar onyx]

Last night dude walked up and said I won’t shoot if you don’t. I had my knife out just to be safe 😂

[cobalt oak]

how do you accomplish this

[dreamy warren]

Nothing is better than warming up with a free kit and turning it into purple shields 🫃

[proper storm]

yes this is the way. we wont be friends but if you comm that you just want to loot the area/complete contract im gonna let you be

[fleet badge]

that requires doing a lot of work that also typically requires having the right key and surviving PVP

[distant ibex]

Does anyone know how to get the vault keys for cryo archive?

[bold obsidian]

Idk I managed to get out with 20 blue med packs, 10 shields, 1 panacea and 5 self revives

[north robin]

ZIEGLER HAS DONE IT. SUBROUTINE RNG IS NO LONGER A THING

[cursive talon]

Lock downs or red key room in pjnwheel

[oblique tendon]

RANKED looking for 1 Triage for games all day. good coms

[final peak]

Pinwheel keycard room, lockdowns, wardens.

[lament crypt]

i agree, but theres also nothing more annoying than losing against some sweaty nerd with 500 flechette grenades

[fathom pulsar]

If you die to a free kit with purps, you probably didn't deserve the gear

[cinder token]

traxus armory causes memory leak lol

[remote widget]

I don't think I can get past the gear fear and gear loss. Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff Get stuff lose stuff
Over and over

[fleet badge]

bad goop imho. if thats your priority thats your priority.

[snow sphinx]

I encounter other friendly rooks all the time. It can be hit or miss though. Some just kill
On sight which is apart of the game too, I had a rook who started shooting and I said “yo chill I got you” and he stopped and we went our separate ways. I was in a 3 stack in another match and we let a rook exfil with us because he was chill 🤷🏾‍♂️ it happens just 100% of the time

[unborn sundial]

But yeah Stat Wars Galaxies should be a case study for ever developer about why your should NOT listen to what players say that they THINK they want

[radiant nexus]

a fight can be fun and a learning experience even if lost, if u dont know that u havent played the right games yet

[upbeat hare]

they just need to do away with free kits

[cursive talon]

That's the game

[cobalt oak]

yeah but why is that not the case here

[merry owl]

this genre of game may not be for you.

[lament crypt]

where did i say otherwise????

[bold obsidian]

eh it wasn't what i was looking for, but i had to settle for something and it was decently useful

[proper storm]

how i feel everytime it has happened to me lmfao, im just sitting there on the eliminated screen hands in my head like "im so fucking ass"

[rich bolt]

its just a learning curve

[remote widget]

I know, but it's VERY hard to get past

[wheat vale]

you internalize that it's a game and your time is lost wether you win or lose. Whatever you gain when you win is just as fake as whatever you lose when you die. You are building experience and getting better over time if you play with intent, regardless of gear won/lost.

[final peak]

The pattern is that there's always more stuff to get, so it doesn't matter when you lose it.

[fresh drift]

People are jumpy lol, activated an exfil threw some smoke and a recon jumped in with me I panic shot but realized they just wanted a ride

[willow flower]

I don't get better I just punch my desk every time I lose until something works

[distant ibex]

Are the key drops all random?

[dreamy warren]

Had this happen to me after seeing them used for the first time... a triage, vandal, and assassin threw i shit you not 10+ of them at me when I was the only one on my team still up 😭 still funny af tho

[magic rose]

Ok no need to get personal

[echo dust]

Guys does triages ult against an enemy instakill?

[radiant nexus]

think thats mainly a mindset thing so perhaps u are not having that exp, others might have it from time to time

[remote widget]

But I can't seem to get to that pattern

[fathom pulsar]

Me when I jump into a run iced tf out in good gear, then some Rook genuinely slimes me with nothing but claymores and a Tac CE

[median jetty]

@radiant nexus even in youtube videos and clips just no responses from the enemy team

[rich bolt]

chat boo this man

[cobalt oak]

im not the guy who said that though lol

[merry owl]

PLEASE BUNGIE do not listen to this person. One of my biggest points of praise about this game is that there is not gbmm. You made a great call, do not let people like this change your instinct.

[untold rock]

No

[final peak]

You keep getting stuff after you lose it, right?

[unborn sundial]

I bet it depends on shield but it can be strong especially with an EMP effect

[echo dust]

I had a run where I randomly got hit with an EMP and went down same second but the only thing near me was a thief drone for a split second, I genuinely cannot understand how I got dropped

[slate forge]

how are the player counts still? I hope solo queues aren't too long

[fleet badge]

regardless the loot on the map is good, but the PVP gatekeeps it. The only reason its not open is because of those who do not touch grass otherwise

[radiant nexus]

oh okay sry theres a lot going on in this chat i thought that was your statement

[fathom pulsar]

Usually less than 5 minutes at the worst

[cursive talon]

Take it this way, youre not losing it your let someone borrow the gear. Then you borrow someone else's gear. With violence.

[cobalt oak]

np

[fresh drift]

Yea, unless I desperately need an Arachne contract I'm sharing exfils if you say something

[wheat vale]

no longer than 30s from "ready" to in game in north america

[remote widget]

Lose lose get, but the get is not always higher than the 2 losses. I'm not net-gaining

[copper crescent]

To freak that camped quarantine with the gold slug I need you to find god

[proper storm]

the rook claymore tactics are truly devious i both love and hate that its a thing LOL

[lament crypt]

this game would be so much more popular if it were more accessible

[slate forge]

awesome thx 🎉

[willow flower]

Solo queues are pretty good, half my playtime is solo

[wheat vale]

The genre of extraction shooter is just going to make most people upset at a baseline.

[distant ibex]

Subroutine will be a guaranteed drop for next cryo archive weekend just confirmed

[fierce vault]

I don't think they intend for people to run Cryo all weekend.. Anyways, you'd need to build gear up even if you were playing and constantly dying on Outpost, no? You should be able to build a cheap enough loadout to get into Cryo just from buying weapons/meds if needed anyways

[fathom pulsar]

Dirty little robots (I'm robots)

[cursive talon]

Guys isn't GBMM ranked? 🤔

[final peak]

If you're making it out with salvage with any degree of consistency, you actually are. Gear is replaceable, but the salvage is the important stuff. Permanent upgrades > even the coolest guns.

[slate forge]

fuck yessssss I love this game sm, I couldn't play for a couple of days rip

[magic rose]

I lost my first purple to a fake bag… it could be worse haha

[radiant nexus]

gear based mm would ruin the whole point of an extraction shooter

[gritty lichen]

It would be, but extraction shooters, by nature, are not accessible games. Arc raiders is SUPER casual and is the exception

[untold rock]

Not quite

[merry owl]

it does not need to be more popular. if they designed a game for popularity only we end up with fortnite or arc raiders. can we just allow this game to be good please?

[sour fern]

By balancing the game in a way that makes pvp encounters more than the usual either you get the the jump on a team/solo or they get you

Implementing a more strategic based pvp opposed to whoever makes noise first or whoever is seen first

[spare gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480043609079287838/1485786226719199433/IMG_3467.jpg?ex=69c321c1&is=69c1d041&hm=ff18550accd477dd14d02e1bc0e336507b150642e77466c0d2480a5687474522&

[final peak]

Why would I run anything but a free kit on outpost?

[fathom pulsar]

This is how I got my first purple shield, because an assassin got greedy with the bait I set

[remote widget]

Again to what I feel is a small degree. I'm 3 weeks in and never have more than 4K creds and my highest factino isn only 12

[cursive talon]

Well i mean ranked solo que you wont get free kits at least

[bleak spruce]

If it doesn't remain popular it won't exist

[lament crypt]

look at arc, its a much more casual experience BUT its got a MASSIVE playerbase.

Bungie is very good at balancing the 2, but right now, marathon is not balanced between the 2

[fresh drift]

Only gear matchmaking I want is between teammates. Blue geared players should not have to deal with the dead weight that are free kits

[merry owl]

basically, yes. that's the beauty of marathon rn. if you want wild west you play the normal mode, if you want gbmm you have ranked. everyone has what they want.

[final peak]

Do you have friends you play with, or are you solo queueing/crew filling? Crew fill is where fun goes to die.

[fierce vault]

just build a cheap kit for cryo then?

[untold rock]

A minimum gear value isn’t the same as gear based matchmaking

[wicked loom]

🐟

[merry owl]

you must be new to gaming. one of my favorite games, hunt showdown, has existed for many years and never hit mainstream. that is just one example of many.

[radiant nexus]

nope, its a lot better than that

[final peak]

I want to bring good gear into Cryo. I have good gear right now with literally no reason to use it. That's a problem with the design of the game.

[rose salmon]

I take it people have seen Joe’s tweet: “…next Cryo window is making Subroutines a 100% drop from each vault”

[wheat vale]

Arc also is completely uninteresting after I learned it. It's not fun to be friendly with everyone in the game, and Arc has no meaningful progression system imo. I think Bungie took the right lessons from Tarkov and made their own unique thing.

[fleet badge]

there are no "holy shit" moments if everyone is on equal ground.

[cobalt oak]

marathon will continue to exist but it may not get more than one map per 18 months

[fierce vault]

You can go to Outpost but you're choosing not to.. that's kinda a you problem friend..

[plain sapphire]

do it during cryo, it’s the best way if you can’t play all week

[grave smelt]

hunt is pretty mainstream. basically everyone played it at some point

[final peak]

I can take free kits on outpost and there's nothing on outpost worth risking good gear for.

[radiant nexus]

that doesnt sound too bad, making a map for such games is a lot of work

[merry owl]

arc raiders has a huge playerbase because it is too shallow. we love marathon for its depth and challenge.

[wicked loom]

😂 i wasnt making a statement, just saying fish 🐟

[wheat vale]

Super Smash Brother Melee has never gotten DLC and people play it more than 20 years after release.

[bleak spruce]

I think you underestimate how easily bungie will trash this project if it doesn't continue to bring in profits

[remote widget]

I have only 2 people that are playing regularly and yes with them success rate is better because they are better PVP'ers. I have YEARS of bad habits and weaknesses in PVP that I can't really change. Solo queue (Fill or otherwise) has been terrible because of that

[untold rock]

I don’t squad fill ranked so I don’t have to worry about people using a minimum value green kit when I’m using a 10k kit

[lament crypt]

yes but if casual players dont like it, its ultimately gonna die out, sure, it might be a slower death, but it WILL eventually die out

and im saying this as someone who likes challenges, but its just factual that theres a FAR bigger casual playerbase in games

[fierce vault]

what's there in cryo that's worth risking good gear for

[merry owl]

marathon has already surpassed hunt's peak my friend. so if hunt was mainstream and popular enough, so is this

[quartz abyss]

not me

[true lava]

The loot is really good, like full purple

[unique viper]

Just please don’t make it too casual that’s yucky

[hybrid patio]

Goonathon is peak

[final peak]

Unique guns, ai subroutines, gold loot.

[plucky osprey]

170 agility rn i wonder how fast i can get with that plus vandals ult and a cardio kick

[upbeat hare]

to solve the whole crew fill matchmaking issue, why not just have us crew up while still in the main menu. We should be able to see each other's loadouts and discuss before starting.

[civic crest]

thats what I was gonna say earlier. I just think at the current moment, it’s not the time to lean into this hardcore audience this much. It’s 3 weeks in. It’s like the game rewards more with time than skill. IMO. Marathon people don’t attack me I’m having fun with it relax. But anyways they kinda killed momentum with the game with this approach.

[fathom pulsar]

Vandal's OnlyShells content

[twin tree]

no rook? 🙁

[merry owl]

the game is bringing in profits at its current playerbase and will continue to do so

[wicked loom]

“No rooks?”

[fierce vault]

just go in with cheap loadouts until you have the keys then go for the boss with your actual gear.. that way you might actually be able to play all weekend 😄

[plucky osprey]

buying the shoes

[bleak spruce]

No shit, I think your will to argue is surpassing your reading comprehension

[final peak]

There's nothing to enjoy in Arc. It's an empty husk of a game with no redeeming qualities.

[grave smelt]

In terms of amount of people that have the game it is not even close between the two with Hunt being in the lead

[civic crest]

Literally my same thought. I don’t want the game to die out nor bungie

[simple juniper]

Every single fill I’ve played today I’ve not been able to exfil

[radiant nexus]

but extraction shooters are not casual games, they dont need to have millions of casual players, its a genre of game that required a lot of learning and experience and a casual gamer by definition does not want to engage in that when gaming, they just wanna chill out after a day of work or whatever

[plucky osprey]

its not all bad

[merry owl]

i have no interest in arguing, I only am asking for players to use their brain and not ask them to change the game we love.

[lament crypt]

this

its a bit too early to open up hardcore stuff when a large portion of the playerbase think its already a bit too hard, i dont like looking at charts too heavily but it HAS lost players every day. that is a fact.

hardcore players will move on as soon as something harder comes out, casuals will just play what they enjoy

[wheat vale]

I truly believe the genre is not compatible with casual play. You are investing time into building a character over the course of weeks/months. It's MMO grind + FPS fast + gambling win/lose. You can't have the gambling part be meaningful if there is no time investment/grind portion. Broadly, I think most people are looking for a power fantasy and aren't willing to put up with any sense of loss when playing a game.

[civic crest]

But Sony bought them for billions and marathon spent millions with no return.

[green granite]

*vocal minority not large

[cobalt oak]

? casuals are massively less loyal to games than hardcore players. that's the only reason devs pursue them

[lament crypt]

arc raiders?????

[final peak]

Yeah it is. Boring pve, boring pvp that you're actively punished by the developers for doing, boring maps, ugly cosmetics, there's a gaping hole where a setting should have gone.

[fresh drift]

Arc has done irreparable damage to ppls understanding of the extraction shooter niche

[wheat vale]

Arc lacks meaningful progression and you can basically entirely opt out of PvP

[merry owl]

yes hunt has been out for like 10 years dude..?

[bronze tusk]

why don’t we have arachne skins ? not hating just genuinely asking

[green granite]

The assumption the game is dying is unfounded doomer speak, get of socials and just enjoy the fkn game lmao

[upbeat hare]

it's the opposite, casuals is where the money is at

[fathom pulsar]

They're coming with the next update

[lament crypt]

there are factually more casual players in gaming than hardcore

[hollow arch]

man I wonder if the game does do a bit of quest based match making, it's really funny how when you get those "only one runner can do this quest per run", theres 5 people converging on the same spot every run and one of them makes a run for the quest

[vague kettle]

1 mpreg on this = 1 ❤️ for marathon

[green granite]

And they're playing the game and enjoying it rather than crying here, factually

[merry owl]

this

[bronze tusk]

was it not planned to get arachne skins?

[fierce vault]

arc raiders is the most casual one out of the bunch, but even it is not casual relative to other games on the market. that's why they keep complaining about pvp. because they're annoyed about the fact that it doesnt cater fully to how casual they want the game to ideally be

[grave smelt]

yes, dude, my friend, that's what I am saying. Marathon compared to Hunt is niche, doesn't matter what is the reason for that

[civic crest]

Who is emoting clown look at the sales numbers? Good game wrong time is what I’m saying …

[final peak]

Or they could just leave the map open so I can use my good gear as I acquire it. You know that's an option, right?

[radiant nexus]

meh , casuals will buy the game once, then leave and never come back, hardcore fans will continue to buy skins and actively check out all the new updates

[cobalt oak]

I'm not a sony exec though so why should I care

[remote widget]

I just thought because it was Bungie, 1st person, and better movement I'd like it more than Arc. And I essentially do but losing gear all the time is not fun when it's very hard for me to get back to where I was AND feel like I'm progressing

[merry owl]

bro..please use your brain. respectfully

[fathom pulsar]

Honestly? Not too sure. Probably more of an oversight on how to implement obtaining then rather than purposely leaving them out.

[lament crypt]

i dont like looking too deeply at charts either, but it is still factual that the game is losing players daily, i WANT this game to succeed, i WANT it to do well and i DO enjoy challenging activities BUT the game will not survive if its ONLY catering towards a hardcore playerbase

a great thing about D2 is that it HAS pretty good balance between the two

[dense ember]

we suppose to be getting them

[grave smelt]

respectfully use your brain and realize that Marathon underperforms severely for its budget and at the current moment it is more niche than Hunt

[languid sail]

I still think about you cryo

[final peak]

It's mostly a mindset thing. Your gun isn't progress. Your shield, cores, etc. aren't progress. Access to them is progress.

If you take some time to do some solo runs and play really carefully, sneak around and avoid conflict, you'll make it out with more loot than you know what to do with.

[merry owl]

I have been along for the ride with hunt for many years, I love the game. it has never achieved this much widespread excitement and attention. its been out for 10ish years, of course it has more sales. I am talking about attention

[green granite]

10s of thousands CCU is huge mate. That translates to hundreds of thousands of sales. That CCU is made up of people playing for only an hour or two at a time. Think about how many people have to have bought the game for that to be possible; a lot

[civic crest]

The fact that you’re in a bungie discord is the reason. I personally enjoy what bungie puts out there when they put time and effort into it. The studio needs to produce money to stay alive. I’m confused do you want want bungie to keep making games or what?

[summer raven]

what is with the insane amount of cheaters lately? 2 suspicious and 2 full blatant in the last 48 hrs

[merry owl]

if you can't understand what I am saying then there's no more I can do for you

[green granite]

I'd fucken give organs for a game I made to have 10k+ CCU, literally give away kidneys for that

[fresh drift]

That just comes with the extraction shooter territory numbers will fluctuate. Generally diminishing until a big update/season wipe

[obtuse veldt]

any1 know what the maintenance is for ?

[fierce vault]

maybe.. i'm curious what bungie thinks because obviously they limited it to weekends for a reason. so i'm curious what those reasons are

[fathom pulsar]

If they did implement a 'PvE', it should be at least competitive in regards to securing objectives before other teams do.

[chrome hawk]

Sub routine drops what is that ??

[lament crypt]

yeah but bungie is a AAA company, not that marathon has failed, i think marathon is probably doing around what they expected

[radiant nexus]

what maintenance

[grave smelt]

There is no widespread excitement when it comes to marathon. Sitting in this discord, watching pepole glazing the game does not qualify for widespread excitement.

If anything the game had widespread hatred (undeserved)

[remote widget]

Maybe. I literally did everything you said on the last run and there was just soem guy in a corner ready to shoot me like he knew I was there. I almost broke my controller LoL

[open ice]

if you want a pve mode there's a completely free bungie game that has exactly that...

[gentle glacier]

Sounds like a pure snoozefest omg

[final peak]

So far all they've said is "buh muh economy" which... is a sign that they need to fix the design of the economy, not arbitrarily restrict 25% of the maps.

[summer raven]

i think it goes to your codex and lets u use dna thing to fight bos

[fresh drift]

But Marathon is NOT a triple A game

[green granite]

I think, and I'm sure we can all agree, we should just let Bungie cook. PvE is objectively a bad idea for a PvP game (for obvious reasons we've already debated) so let's all relax and not act like the sky is falling

[subtle storm]

Can you put bubble shields on top of Thief’s drone?

[royal lichen]

if its available all the time the higher availability of loot for prepared teams will widen the gap between casuals and hardcores. timegating it actually evens the playing field

[ancient osprey]

Or they can go play arc raiders

[radiant nexus]

millions of dollars is a triple a game

[grave smelt]

uhhh it is

[merry owl]

good talk buddy you need to get out of your bubble though

[fierce vault]

how would they fix OP red weapons without nerfing said OP red weapons?

[lament crypt]

how? its had millions put into it and is made by a AAA studio it IS in all definitions a AAA game

[final peak]

It's part of the process. I went through the same thing when I first started playing the genre with Starsiege: Deadzone and Tarkov. Breathe, relax, make a mental note of where that guy was so you can check next time or use it yourself. Try to think of any signs that guy might have been there.

[fathom pulsar]

Oh, I know. I'm not advocating for a PvE mode so much as I am saying the pve should still be inherently competitive even if you can't kill other players. Not directly, anyways. I'm wholly on the side of the game's current gameplay state so far.

[radiant nexus]

i think hes right the game does get more hatred than anything else from ppl that havent tried it

[subtle storm]

Can you place ammo boxes on top of drones and throw a bubble shield on top of it or on top of a claymore?

[final peak]

Just nerf them idgaf. If they're overpowered they shouldn't have been released in the first place, rare or not, no?

[flint ingot]

Marathon is absolutely a Triple A game.

[grave smelt]

what bubble? you are telling me about widespread excitement of 40k players on Steam right now over a game that released less than a month ago and is a AAA title backed by Sony

You are in the bubble that you call widespread

[civic crest]

True.

[lament crypt]

thats what im saying lol

[uncut coyote]

What does 100% subroutine mean for CRYO?

[fierce vault]

i don't think so. they dont look that OP and a power fantasy is great in extraction shooters to give you a sense of high rarity loot actually mattering

[green granite]

Steam chart warrior

[civic crest]

Proving my point thank you.

[analog relic]

I think a lot have tried it, that's telling from the server slam and the supposedly sales, which does not reflect the total numbers. The refunds must be insane

[cursive dawn]

Taking my friend in for the first time, and we come across a team all above 100 who absolutely melted us, he's instantly uninstalled 😂

[glass cipher]

just came across a fully kitted kill squad roaming in perimeter, they chased us from station to overfill. i think thats probably the first time i actually felt bad for playing the game lmfao

[fathom pulsar]

Objective drops to access fighting the Compiler boss

[lament crypt]

?

[merry owl]

he's not wrong on that point. but that's also disregarding all the praise from the people who have played it. steam reviews, streamer attention, etc. but regardless I gave up on talking to him cause he thinks a game that has been out for a few weeks should have as much sales as a game that has been out for 10+ years. dude's cooked

[open ice]

what would genuinely be the point of doing an insanely hard task like vault 7 and killing the compiler if you weren't rewarded with an extremely special and powerful gun

[grave smelt]

when number good statistics
when number bad steamchart warrior

[flint surge]

If after the reviews are released player counts don’t go up, they will go down more and continue to until it possible stabilizes.

That being said due to the type of game, the lower let’s say 30% of players get farmed by the top 70% and eventually give up and leave the game. Now the next 30% become the new loot piñatas and they leave and it continues until you only have the highest skilled, sweatiest players left.

[royal lichen]

if he paid 40 bucks not realizing the game he was about to play thats on him man

[fresh drift]

Guess I'm letting the price tag affect my thoughts one whether Marathon qualifies as triple A

[civic crest]

I’m saying bungie spent triple A money with no a triple A return

[green granite]

Number is good, in your own msg, TF you talking about, do you even know what CCU is??

[cobalt oak]

game's already launched though, people like it, and extraction shooters aren't particularly high maintenance. if bungie was gonna get canned they would've done it pre-release. idk what it means for a d3 if marathon's successful or not though

[lament crypt]

so fortnite isnt AAA?

[final peak]

There's still incredible loot behind that door even if you didn't get the green meme beam.

[subtle storm]

Well maybe he should’ve been the host

[open ice]

also it's not like people are gonna have that gun forever, when the seasonal wipe happens that gun is gone and they'll need a new one

[merry owl]

same reason he is winning the clown award with his comments now

[radiant nexus]

idk i have a few friends that think it looks fine but wont try it because of the artstyle, even i had to watch a few days of YT for me to finally decide to buy it, now i think its one of the better extraction games so far and wish my cheap ass friends wouldnt cry over 20 dollies

[remote widget]

Zero. Opened a door and he was just there. I know someoen was there somehwere because I was following a Data coordinate. But....there was not determination that he was behind that foor

[summer raven]

ranked should have a level 50 requirement, too many cheaters and plenty of people that arent ready for it anyway

[tepid pagoda]

you could apply this argument to any pvp game

[green granite]

Tarkov had AAA budget and somehow managed to survive Battlestates chicanery, this fkn game can too lmao

[grave smelt]

for a Sony backed game made by a AAA studio number is not good. Ofc it is a good tier number when you compare it to Crytek

[final peak]

Closed windows, dead bots, any footsteps, opened containers? There's more possible clues than you think.

[open ice]

genuinely how did tarkov not immediately die when they started charging $200 for a pve expansion they promised for free for certain owners

[subtle storm]

What is the point of the laser fire in the biotoxin disinjector?

[flint surge]

I love the game but it has gotten to the point where it’s unplayably hard and my whole crew gets wiped 1-3 minutes into a run. If I can never exfil then there is no fun to be had. Before last week I could play the game. Now I exfil maybe 1 in 20 runs with trio fills.

[mild swan]

how long u guys think until this game shuts down how long can i continue to play for

[remote widget]

I can't think that much when playing a game. Way to much input to process

[upbeat hare]

AAA budget but nowhere near being a AAA studio, which is more important

[fierce vault]

Most PvP games dont have gear that you lose, and have heavy SBMM that protects lower and average skilled players. So the losses dont happen as often and dont feel nearly as heavy

[merry owl]

I wouldn't bother with @grave smelt . He is either trolling or just cooked, etiher way not worth it

[primal laurel]

It won’t

[radiant nexus]

why u spreading misinformation now xd

[final peak]

I'm down to watch a couple of your runs if you want.

[violet ferry]

game is unplayble it keeps crashing bruh how do i fix this

[mild swan]

u sure numbers not looking to good, they are not going to keep dumping money in this game with no returns

[flint surge]

As long as there are some players it will likely stick around for a while. It shouldn’t cost much to just keep the servers on and wipe players one every 3 months.

[tepid pagoda]

what type of matchmaking does marathon use

[subtle storm]

Level and skill matchmaking I think

[spiral nebula]

shoutout to the fill teammates who said they'd revive me, left the area I died in, came back to the area 10 minutes later and used the extract

[rustic spindle]

I really need a group idk if I can solo anymore😭

[mild swan]

i dont think some players will be enough for bungie to survive honestly i mean i hope it doesnt get shut down but the numbers are looking horrible

[grave smelt]

I wouldn't bother with Wander. He contradicted himself twice and just gave up

[shut river]

as far as we know it’s just level.

[primal laurel]

It will retain at least some form of playerbase that they can make money from through battle passes and other things

[snow sphinx]

Honestly the game play loop and mechanics are so fun/good to me. That I don’t really get the same gear fear like I do from other extraction shooters. I also don’t feel like everything is useful the way I do in marathon. Like no matter what every run I always find things I need and if I don’t make it out I can jump right back in and get it back.

[polar tide]

CRYO UPDATE: We have a lot of convos around the game going right now, but one thing we've aligned on and will be doing for the next Cryo window is making Subroutines a 100% drop from each vault. Thanks for the feedback we'll keep hammering on more updates.

[fresh drift]

Fair point, price tag is generally what I ball park triple A games by but live service being an additional means of profit definitely affects that

[remote widget]

I appreciate that and you've given me good advise. 1 pf my players is an experienced ExShooter player and does have those kinds of insticts

[glass cipher]

how do you guys deal with finding a fully kitted out trio in a baby map like perimeter

[bronze tusk]

pray

[rigid crystal]

A middle finger and a fart, I sweat to God they just throw 6/12/18 random people into a lobby and say "Sure", duo of free kits and a 3rd and I find people running purple shields in Perimeter. Actually made me sad

[lament crypt]

so D2 isnt AAA?

[bleak spruce]

wait for them to pop the exfil

[hybrid patio]

out play em

[crimson dove]

With that kinda attitude and every constantly saying that maybe it will.......why do we have to keep saying this stuff the game is up play it, stop what ifing everything

[grave smelt]

by loudly screaming in the sky

[open ice]

im not? unheard edition was $250 and wasn't available to those who bought the edition promising all future content for free

[glass cipher]

well considering they're aiming for a lobby wipe i think they wait for last exfil

[remote widget]

I can feel that at times, I just don't have the mind set yet not to be upset at losing stuff

[lucid rain]

id kill for marathon unheard with 3x stash

[final peak]

Feel free to dm if you want. It's not something that comes easily to everyone, but it is a skill you can develop.

My first wipe playing Tarkov I was completely lost and staring at a map on my second monitor most of the time. Now I can tell where players are and what they're doing by the cadence of distant gunshots.

[cosmic venture]

usually make about 15 mistakes that I figure out during the eleminated screen

[merry owl]

avoid them or wait for an ambush, its part of the game. when you ping them you can see their armor and get an idea of their kit. gotta know which fights are worth picking

[shut river]

I die

[copper crescent]

Never mind thanks for the loot bozo

[upbeat hare]

they still gave us that content for free after pushback though

[final peak]

Hell yeah, get his ass.

[flint surge]

Hard to have kits when you only exfil 1 in 20 runs while being farmed by steamers. It’s not me and my trios fills either. Every time I kill other runners that have garbage gear! 😉

[open ice]

"after pushback" it shouldn't have been a thing in the first place 😭 😭

[vestal sage]

how many team in cryo archive

[subtle storm]

You don’t, somehow perimeter is full of purple shields and outpost is full of free kits

[glass cipher]

oh i know lmao, we had the drop on them and were like "fuck no lets leave" then i think they spotted my foot or something and they just chased us across the map

[civic crest]

I’m simply talking about the man power and money that spent on the game for the numbers we got that’s worry’s me . At the end of the day it’s a business and 39k avg on steam ( idk console ) isn’t that good for the triple A budget that was spent on it.

[sick carbon]

the game's soundtracks are so fuckin good man wth

[radiant nexus]

u are right about them lying saying EOD was gonna be the biggest, but the way u typed made it seem it was 200 dollars for just a pve mode, which is not true, it has some other p2w elements to it and is mainly bought to just have the biggest pack, also EOD users did get arena AND pve mode without paying extra

[snow sphinx]

If your only exfilling 1/20 it’s time to play rook and work on your approach/strategies to combat

[subtle storm]

Some people say that there are 6 but I personally believe that there are 3-4 teams

[upbeat hare]

oh I definitely agree lol, they just wanted more money. As if all of the cheaters buying fresh accounts wasnt enough

[merry owl]

lol yeah I feel that, some teams are brutal.

[open ice]

thanks for correcting me by saying that what they did was actually worse than what i said

[vestal sage]

is there not 5 team in cryo archive?

[sick carbon]

what's the reason behind low player/team count per match? (like 6 teams per match and that's it?)

[fresh drift]

Same realm as fortnite, in that it's live service so yea

[glass cipher]

need Durandal to orbital strike these losers from the Marathon

[shut river]

At least you didn’t run into 3 assassins camping on a cliff with thermal snipers.

[merry owl]

normal for this genre

[sacred plover]

Cheaters are starting to ramp up. The first banwave needs to happen soon.

[ancient narwhal]

6 teams per match is NOT low brother. Play outpost solo if you want more there's TWELVE solo spawns crammed within footstep distance of eachother

[nimble canyon]

I guess they are rebalancing the lose everything factory.

[cobalt oak]

add more and it's just a battle royale

[winter jolt]

[lucid rain]

can we have 5k min value outpost please

[tough crater]

is it really 12?

[grave smelt]

So that the match has suspense, ambushes and tension instead of BR-like crazyness. It's a design choice

[strong temple]

no go to cryo or ranked

[sick carbon]

im not familiar with extraction shooters' matchmaking

[simple jackal]

man... I was having fun until some dude was applying multiple debuffs with a single tap ... what is that

[mild swan]

attitude of being a realist? ok..

[ancient narwhal]

I dunno that's what I read somewhere, could be wrong

[vestal lark]

if you are coming from Tarkov, Marathon maps are a lot smaller. Tarkov maps are several square kilometers

By comparison, hunt showdown maps are roughly 1 km^2 and only have 12 players

[shut river]

It’s just subroutines not being rng in vaults anymore, yeah.

[lucid rain]

yes please, get cryo open 24/7

[tough crater]

it's just subroutines always spaw, no?

[remote widget]

I appreciate that and I'll think aout it. I don't really get online with peopel outside my circles. So we'll see.
You've been great though. I wish more people would stop and give good advice instead of saying 'Skill issue" LoL

[wraith stump]

anyone else not able to log in?

[icy sorrel]

Kinda crazy that cryo made more people drop the game than it brought in

[tepid pagoda]

theyd need to tone down cryo loot then

[merry owl]

its about creating and maintaining the tension of not knowing when/where/if you will run into a team. if you knew you would at every turn it loses that excitement and becomes a BR like someone else said

[lucid rain]

ok 5k outpost please

[glass cipher]

bleh now i dont want to play for the rest of today what the hell lmao, thats the first time a death has made me not want to jump right back in

[young carbon]

Please god no im not trying to fight against a whole squad of raid exotics everyday

[final peak]

Ye, anyone who's genuinely engaging with the genre deserves the opportunity to improve.

[merry owl]

please no!

[north robin]

Can someone help me out? I thought you didn’t need ps plus to play marathon. My subscription ended on the 7th and I was playing with no problem all the way up until now but now that I signed into a different console it’s saying I need ps plus . So weird

[strong temple]

if cryo was open 24/7 it would eventually lead to similar issues that tarkov's economy has with its higher tier zones.

You don't want a situation where other players can't gather resources on easier maps and enter cryo and flipping die to fully kitted yellow players that are insanely cracked at the game

[tepid pagoda]

me when i exfil animation and all my loot disappears

[lucid rain]

easier maps are perimeter

[radiant nexus]

just to let the players some breating room for looting and doing pve also, its not just about the pvp even tho thats it biggest draw for most players

[leaden birch]

PRO CASUAL TIP :

If your backpack is full and you're not questing, GET OUT!!

Greed is the No. 1 killer of all scavengers.

[clever jacinth]

What’s the best way to obtain blue shields and backpacks?

[unreal drum]

Disconnect

[crimson dove]

You are just "what if" lol thats not real its an IF....if you like the game just play it stop telling people " i don think the player numbers are enough" what do you think you are helping the game?

[glass cipher]

real

[lost arrow]

What is the barrier to fighting the Compiler other than the 6 subroutines? You can’t just zone in and fight it on repeat after getting those, right?

[upbeat hare]

It's such an awesome map but im sure survival rate is extremely low. Most people I think emptied their vaults

[strong temple]

I already cleared compiler. I'm not talking about myself lmao

[grave smelt]

it was always required

[simple jackal]

just had a dude hit a single bolt from a v22 and I instantly got 2 debufs on me and couldn't do shit and just ran at me after that, like wth is that shit

[shut river]

One kill per run

[sick carbon]

fascinating

[fierce vault]

I don't know what they're doing for a fact, but I hear streamers constantly complain about being matched with sponsored kits who cannot fight at all, and mostly just run away when they're clearing lobbies.

[north robin]

You don’t think that’s weird though? My sub ended on the 7th and it was running fine up until now

[mild swan]

its not that deep lol its a discussion about numbers...i think u will survive put your big boy pants on

[grave smelt]

if you think that you are helping with any kind of censorship, you are not actually

[final peak]

Tarkov doesn't have that issue though. Like, at all.

In no small part because no piece of gear in Tarkov protects you from having your brain forcefully extracted from your skull at 200 meters by a bolt action.

[flint surge]

My normal run is like I have a two other people in my crew from trio fills, all around level 40-50. Both of them running head first somewhere while most of the time one of them is jumping rapidly while running like it’s Fortnite, sounding like thunder. Suddenly one of my crew member is down, then the next. Then I am soloing some game streamers with purple gear with my free sponsor kit…hopefully it is a bully or hardline…not an overrun. 😉

The game just creates a death spiral of free kits. I am not interested in playing rook.

[icy sorrel]

This game has zero chill zero rest its a nonstop cortisol injection and fear. Like dayz.

[boreal forge]

99% of runners exfil early when theres a prestige item waiting at the next poi

[strong temple]

kinda. A lot of the player base drifts towards pve mid season. like a lot

[glass cipher]

the Arachne memes are funny and silly until a true Arachne Follower shows up on the horizon and starts taunting you in prox chat knowing you have no chance to survive

[grave smelt]

it is weird, yes. I have no idea why that happened. But PS plus is def required

[shut river]

With nothing on them but a knife

[lucid rain]

Bungie we need to be able to set our own filters on matchmaking

[strong temple]

Also long range 1 shots not existing in this game is a great thing for everyone ngl

[flint surge]

I would love playing with crews that were the same skill level as mine.

[rigid crystal]

Ngl if you're only exfiltrating 1 of every 20 games maybe play on a softer map and farm some gear off that? Diremarsh and Perimeter still give good enough gear to send you into Outpost or Cryo. I got a 7.5k kit from a perimeter run, and even had an 11k exfil today off of it as well

[crimson dove]

what im saying is we should be saying "i like this game i hope more people jump on and realize its a good game" not i think this game has low players numbers and its gonna fail but i like it tho.

[radiant nexus]

i havent had to use free kits yet so thats on you

[nimble canyon]

I feel you may have been hit by a triage that had a third active while overcharging the v22.

[glass cipher]

more so talking about purple shields + sniper rifle but sure yeah

[scarlet hare]

Yknow it's a lil weird that the OFFICIAL bungie marathon discord has not mod mail or reachable mods

[strong temple]

If they did my buddy razr would have a field day (literally the best ESR sniper user in battlefield 6)

[north robin]

Alright thanks. Shitty ass decision to be made now. Do I really want to pay for ps plus just for one game😭😭

[final peak]

No armor protects your ankles, high pen ammo is pretty common, there's myriad places to lay an ambush... you can get loot in Tarkov even if you're trash at the game. It's a knowledge check, not a skill check, on average.

[nimble canyon]

You can easily reach them. I can have personal conversations with them.

[boreal forge]

isnt there that boot reaction thing

[grave smelt]

Toxic positivity (excessive positivity or positive toxicity) is dysfunctional emotional management without the full acknowledgment of negative emotions, particularly anger and sadness. Socially, it is the act of dismissing another person's negative emotions by suggesting a positive emotion instead.

Before anti-AI hysteria starts, this is from Wikipedia

[sick carbon]

if cryo archive in on the marathon then what's the lore reason behind the difference in architectures to the other part of the ship in the og games?

[scarlet hare]

I'm genuinely stupid is there

[tidal pier]

I feel so hopeless playing this game, I play solo and my teammates have squirrel brains but it’s also a hassle to find people on here, and I see these streamers doing cryo which makes it seem so out of reach for a newer player like me :((

[crimson dove]

people saying they like the game and pushing the naritive that its gonna fail doesnt help the game lol you guys can think what ever you want. there is 400k people in this discord and half of them dont even own the game

[boreal forge]

yeah you can boot react someones message and it puts it in a mod chat thing

[merry owl]

go outside bro please

[modern rampart]

hello , i need help if semone can help me

[scarlet hare]

I feel lime I'm being gasliy

[strong temple]

It's both. It's enough of a check to result in around half the player base drifting towards pve

[grave smelt]

leave me alone

[boreal forge]

i should know someone did it against me and i got muted for 3 days

[nimble canyon]

Yeah, when you mark a message with a boot it sends a notification to any active ninjas

[final peak]

Adding pve to Tarkov was a mistake, anyone who plays it isn't worth considering in the conversation.

[scarlet hare]

When you say boot, like a literal boot

[rugged thistle]

just another day in general chat

[flint surge]

I am just stating that a lot of people won’t play if they can’t play. 😉 I turned on my mic last night with my random fill players and a lot of them were giving up due to having to play against game streamers too.

[hazy lion]

why aren't there any vc's? Do they plan on adding one soon ?

[north robin]

Why it always the sensitive people that are itching for the report button. Just ignore the person and get over it unless it’s hella excessive

[nimble canyon]

👢

[open ice]

everyone starts somewhere, and honestly your best shot is trying to lfg with other players who are a lot more serious about the game, that way you won't get dogwater teammates all the time

[boreal forge]

yeah its mentioned in the role guide thing

[grave smelt]

Regardless of PvE in Tarkov being good or bad, needed or not, it killed PvP online and in essence killed the game itself

[crimson dove]

lol do you even understand what that is? lol just using google and not understanding what your posting is a concern. me telling to be positive insted of negative to people that like a game is not toxic at all

[rigid crystal]

Don't think I've ever been in a discord like this one lol, I swear we share space with the sectioned

[scarlet hare]

Got muted for a week when I called someone a negative Nancy.

I now yearn to report something silly myself

[strong temple]

Regardless I just don't see how cryo 24/7 would be a good thing cuz it's literally shotgun city the game. If you don't have experience with arena shooters or movement shooters it's not gonna be easy for you unless you can somehow pick up those mechanics.

Forcing those players into more open environments to get killed occasionally lets the economy's lower level players get a chance

[nimble canyon]

Abusing the report function can get you banned. Just keep that in mind.

[ripe umbra]

seven run Loss streak on Outpost

[north robin]

Lmao I get ur joking but that’s just contributing to a shit system though isn’t it

[final peak]

Nah, you can play sneaky and it works just fine.

[icy sorrel]

They designed this game around streamers having a bunch of people to farm for twitch and YouTube clips. Why did they not make a game that 99.99% of people can enjoy? It is literally just shroud and co up at the top snowballing up eternally while dad's having a blast getting farmed again for 30 minutes after he puts the kids to bed.

[open ice]

i do think they need to nerf bubble shields, at least reduce how long they stay up before they eventually die out

[scarlet hare]

No abusing just, I'm too dumb to do that

[strong temple]

I can't recall the last time I died to a rat on cryo but ok

[grave smelt]

can you step aside and look at your comments where you tell people to stop voicing their opinion and/or factual numbers, because they shouldn't hurt the game and realize how ridiculous it looks

[upbeat hare]

yeah, I have to agree. It was so much better all the years before, and I never even thought about cheaters.

[radiant nexus]

idk i generally dont socialize with people that give up like that, nor do i want to play with players with that mentality, so i avoid filling with randoms and just play solo or with people i know are good and dont cry about dying 1, 2 or even 3 times in a row

[boreal forge]

literally just the genre, arc raiders has been disastrous for the extraction shooter mindset

[north robin]

It hundred percent wouldn’t. No one would ever want to play the other maps lmao except like super beginners. Literally as simple as that

[rustic spindle]

So no group cool

[final peak]

The point is you can avoid pvp if you're sneaky.

[ancient narwhal]

Me when I watch one streamer and base my entire opinion of the game off him (he genuinely enjoys the game and has put a shit ton of time and effort into it)

[snow sphinx]

Is this the console only no cross play experience? At least 70% of the time one player has a mic on the team and the other listens to us. Also this is 2026 like half the gaming community streams. They are no better at the game than you or I. And you don’t play rook? Your not taking full advantage of what the game offers you to make a come up. There’s plenty of LFG discords if you don’t want to fill with randos. If your a square bear solo that’s your fault. Don’t blame the game or others when you are not giving it your best shot.

[unreal drum]

I've had people melt down in voice chat for shooting them while saying they're friendly

[leaden birch]

this is literally false

datamining has confirmed that no map activity has a 100% chance of dropping Prestige or Contraband outside of the compiler

i'd guess that at least 51% of all matches do not have a single prestige item on it (due to RNG)

[flint surge]

Monday I lost 12 times in a row playing my best each match with trio fills.

[crimson dove]

i wasnt telling them not to voice there opinons lol what are you on? i was saying that if everyone keeps going this game is gonna die this game is gonna die, its not helping bring people in lol

[fierce vault]

or refreshing

[strong temple]

again forcing me to get on perimeter or dire and get ganged when i'm looting a random container or something at long range gives lower level players a shot at getting my crap.

They are not getting anything on cryo

[rigid crystal]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[north robin]

W statistics

[open ice]

did they fix the perimeter crashing issue yet

[boreal forge]

god youre the corniest person on this server 😭

[icy sorrel]

Arc has been wildly successful because it is fun and accessible. Only reason player count is dropping is that theres no new content or guns or whatever. They also keep fiddling with sound range and stuff.

Arc would probably have 500k players if they did pve only lobbies lol.

[ancient narwhal]

I mean, if I see the occasional person that doesn't shoot me on sight, or an exfil is open and a person requests to use it along with me for a contract I see no issue with being chill for three seconds

[cobalt oak]

arc is a co-op adventure fantasy game

[modern rampart]

i can't play , i have an error called "Weasel" whoi appeared 3/4 minutes after launching the game , someone knowx something ? the website don't help me

[final peak]

Why not? I'm shit at trios pvp and managed to exfil a couple of times with sneaky gameplay.

[north robin]

Your bio checks out

[cursive dawn]

I think he just didn't expect a huge jump in the skill gap between players on the same run. To be honest it confirms to me how random it can be, which i'm personally in favour of.

[twin mango]

yo yo what sens and dpi are you guys playing at?

[radiant nexus]

i dont doubt u, but i wouldnt wanna play with randoms in 2026, u just know u will get braindead monkeys (in any game nowadays) and then u will have to fight against an actual trio, so why not avoid that pain and just play for yourself or look for a more consistant team

[rustic spindle]

Yeah ight I’m out

[tidal pier]

The problem is people will see my level and ignore me even tho I’m genuinely good at fps shooters. And relying on lfg to play the game properly is miserable, I just want to q up and have half decent teammates yk? I’m forcing myself to play this game almost, it sucks because I like it when my teammates are good

[cursive dawn]

is that even confirmed how it works. I thought there was no skill based matchmaking as such?

[final peak]

Ark is a ball pit, complete with thin layer of piss at the bottom.

[boreal forge]

so many arc fans, literally isnt a good game it just won the hype lottery

[strong temple]

You would be significantly more efficient on outpost playing sneaky.

Additionally you can perchance kill someone on any of the maps during ranked and outpost down times and by sheer chance get a mass pile of loot

[unreal cypress]

Only time I've ever called someone a Dumbass is when I'm working a trio as rook and another rook comes up and shoots me, just to die to the trio 5 seconds later.

[grave smelt]

i wasnt telling them not to voice there opinons lol

"what im saying is we should be saying "i like this game i hope more people jump on and realize its a good game" not i think this game has low players numbers and its gonna fail"

"why do we have to keep saying this stuff the game is up play it, stop what ifing everything"

Ok

[nimble canyon]

Man I sure wish as a PC user I could turn off crossplay but I can't. I wonder which genius thought that was a good idea.

[north robin]

3 sensitivity on controller with 1.2x ads multiplier

[paper tulip]

How does the matchmaking work? I’m noticing more people on dire with better stuff but when I watch a streamer I see everyone using purples and gold shields but I’ve yet to see a gold shield exist? Is there a “you are this level so you’ll get this level of people” matchmaking scaler

[ancient narwhal]

Or just go sicko mode and blast around the place scaring people with Destroyer and a knife lol

[leaden birch]

but not incorrect

i highly value that people hate me because i'm right

S2 is going to be a wake up call, and y'all are gonna need a new hobby other than hating on me when *most social media pages on the planet is complaining about this game, including the discord

which, today, is NOT a fun place to be in, (already, not even a month into release)

y'all high on that copium for real

[final peak]

Don't care. I want to do it on Cryo.

[strong temple]

thank god we have developers and designers with a brain

[ancient narwhal]

It's level based to some degree yes. I barely ever run into purple geared players at level 42. Lot of greens and some blues. I think gold/purple loot frequency is too? Not sure tho.

[rustic spindle]

So far fan base kinda sucks

[north robin]

My beloved game is getting run into the ground one month in due to dog shit PvP metas. Simple as fuck

[crimson dove]

and on another note 50k players every day isnt exacly a dying game i see devs continue with less just cause it doesnt meet arc raider numbers who the original poster has been in arc discord for 10x longer then they have been in this discord is most likely comparing numbers to. lol

[unreal cypress]

This type of mindset is why labryinth was added 24/7 to tarkov. worst addition devs made. easy fat loot map.

[paper tulip]

Ohhhh

[flint surge]

I can play any other FPS with random fills and it plays fine. It definitely is an issue with the games. I am definitely not good enough to play games in tournaments but 99% of players aren’t. If the game is great but unplayable by all but 1% of people the game will die.

Not sure how they solve it because any form of matchmaking will make queue times even longer. It takes several minutes when I crew fill trios at this point.

[fresh drift]

What are some of the top complaints you've heard, kinda curious

[final peak]

Evidently not, good games don't randomly lock off 25% of the maps for literally zero reason.

[boreal forge]

i made a joke and youre responding like your lifes on the line, i literally fail to see what youre rebutting when i havent made any argument, youre saying things because you can 😭 😭

[shell cove]

Has bungie addressed the fps bottleneck yet ?

[strong temple]

Tbf this game could use more enemy types and maps. The launch offerings are aight but fun.

[crimson dove]

again i said should and ifs arnt factual at all....lol

[stable lark]

Good thing Marathon has really good reasons.

[paper tulip]

Also what’s the best way to get keys not marathon keys but keys in general

[nimble canyon]

Let me turn off crossplay on PC.

[cursive dawn]

I've felt it to be more random. For the most part it's pretty equal, but that could be just the average, with the more hardcore players being rarer.

[strong temple]

The one category that is plentiful at launch is weapons.

We just need more enemy variety and maps.

[unreal drum]

Are those devs in the room with us right now?

[fierce vault]

i'm not surprised you don't have a good time on the server when you keep coming in like an uninvited preacher who's come to tell us about our lord and savior Jesus Christ

[ancient narwhal]

The new night mode of dire marsh is confirmed to have all that variety, btw. Mechanics, enemies, new shell, etc. Coming fairly soon. There's only so much stuff you can put into a live service game at launch, gotta save some content for future seasons/updates

[leaden birch]

that is mostly correct

we have lost almost 60% of all players in 3 weeks

we do NOT need to remove PVP or change it at all

however, we DO need an IFF queue

1. All crews share the same IFF.
2. Enemy stats and spawn rates MASSIVELY AMPLIFIED
3. All IFF-earned gear banned from RANK PLAY

They could put this into the game in a single weekly reset using existing mechanics

[radiant nexus]

they just force it on us to shorten queue times, it is what it is sadly

[surreal flint]

Is the update today, or tomorrow ? Like is maitance soon ?

[final peak]

Only available for 1 hour per day on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday.

[strong temple]

no because the average player has beyond stupid takes for games.

Not always and mind you developers can at times uhhhh make some questionable decisions.

But the average gamer take is some hot ass.

[grave smelt]

are you genuinely trying to make a point that "telling them not to" is different from "stop ..." and "we should not be saying"?

[rigid crystal]

UESC Do feel a bit same-same, I know they had different abilities but at an initial glance a lot of them do just look the same. Horrible opinion incoming but I wish there were more flying enemies.

[jade spear]

Self revives need nerfed . Only complaint

[paper tulip]

That’s kinda a crazy thing to say when they’ve proven how efficient the marathon team is

[ancient narwhal]

Well, yeah, they're here in the server and are pretty chill

[boreal forge]

who is we?? speaking like youre somebody worth a damn 😭

[granite wyvern]

anyone else notice the achievements are all granted for doing things in multiples of seven? seventh column for life

[rugged thistle]

pve only mode would just be weenie hut jrs

[leaden birch]

i'm agnostic

but i hear JC did some cool things back in the day

[nimble canyon]

Bungie has always been obsessed with the number 7. I'm going to be honest with you.

[unreal cypress]

PVE only mode but all the loot is forced gray as a standard

[grave smelt]

Bungie really likes number 7 in its games

[paper tulip]

Shout out to ying ying the evil dog on the face of the moon

[leaden birch]

we = Marathon (the game) not being shut down and inaccessible to any users

[strong temple]

The enemy species that invaded tau ceti during the original marathon games were the Pfhor and they were an alien bug species race that enhanced themselves with cybernetics and mass conquested and enslaved alien worlds.

If they return and the UESC CIA has to hire us to deal with them but can't give use protection from UESC bots since we're illegal runners that would be dope as hell

[ancient narwhal]

This is 100% true, @unreal drum go read through some of the feedback posts with thousands of comments and see how many are literally misinformation or singular players wanting the game to be catered to their desires. Or just shit talking the devs & company for no reason. It's shocking

[final peak]

Go look at the purchase and sell values for items in the armory, you'll find sevens everywhere if you look hard enough.

[fresh drift]

Not sure how this got a clown emote lol, it's just true. The average gamer should not be trusted

[still flicker]

[fierce vault]

Clearly not agnostic when it comes to Marathon 😉

[cursive dawn]

To be honest my friend made a suggestion i could get behind. Instead of free kits, have whats available in the free kits on a PvE map, allowing players to learn with less preassure and you work for those kits before bringing that into the maps where you get actual good loot. Might calm those screaming for it down a bit, and also teach the map and the few weapons available.

[somber oyster]

What does an anomaly on dire marsh give ? Just extracted w one as a rook and i dont see anything in my inventory.

[snow sphinx]

What country are you in bro? 99% of players are not that great for you to be saying it’s unplayable. I’m not gonna lie bro I think you’re full of mashed potatoes unless you show vids of you getting smoked in these situations. Otherwise you seem like your just being a hater 🤷🏾‍♂️

[lucid rain]

i've been using the green and blue sponsor kits and just instantly leaving if i get free kit teammates 😂

[nimble canyon]

Money

[still remnant]

thermal are seeing through walls ??? Just happened to me and my friends

[north robin]

LMAO the boot reaction☠️ soft ass people bro

[open ice]

we already have ai designs for orion and durandal so i bet they're planning something like that in the future, probably a year 2 update or smth

[leaden birch]

a pve "mode" in it's entirety is too much

a simple IFF queue with boosted mobs and marked gear (banned from RANKED) is all we need using existing mechanics and no additional effort or coding (aside from the "mark" on the IFF gear, which could take 5 minutes)

[boreal forge]

please dont call me that its not very nice