lore-discussion

[weary adder]

That you can choose for Wolf to be a female but with a male voice and vice versa

[blissful sandal]

Are there walkthroughs for character quests?

[worn zinc]

I haven't played Tan's yet but it's pretty solid compared to the rest of the base characters, but doesn't quite reach the highs of Estela's quest (which is kinda hard to beat tbh). It does delve pretty nicely into warlord lore and Attal/Gwynn's shared history though

[dawn dove]

tans is GREAT, yannick is a very cool even with the little backstory he has and his voice is amazing. the dynamic they both have is so good

im on the last mission because i need to get my next profieciency level but its really good so far

[worn zinc]

see i would play it if I didn't have 4 Ning Fei dupes and no Tan

[dawn dove]

as much as i love ning fei, his character quest was pretty underwhelming so i feel like i would just restart if i had that bad luck 😭

[worn zinc]

I played D1 Year 1 this RNG ain't nothing

[dawn dove]

true but tbh nings talent tree isnt the best

[worn zinc]

i just find him annoying so i don't play him

[zinc pasture]

And you keep getting him, rip

Just finished the campaign and I was not expecting the last bit regarding Wolf's skin

I'm walking and just remembered Skorri exists

Do we do anything involving her?

[weary adder]

you can play cards against her in haven I think?

[zinc pasture]

Huh

What are the odds a future campaign involves her or something

[weary adder]

She was in Kabrs story quest somewhere early

was just a quick cutscene tho

[zinc pasture]

Going off her title thing of "The Iron Bard" I assume she's a wandering bard?

Meaning she's usually out exploring or something?

[weary adder]

she seems like a deadbeat to me tbh- or at least unimportant

[zinc pasture]

I find this odd ngl, but I guess they needed someone visually interesting by name or design, as an npc duelist?

Just seems odd they designed and implemented a named character that we see like twice, thrice if you do Kabr's quest

And I counted this, since I remembered only seeing her at the start of the campaign

So hopefully this is just them prepping for a future campaign after the current one

So they don't just yank a new character outta their behind just for the new plot

[weary adder]

If they make her die in story, there wont be any sentimental value so I guess killing her off would be a waste.

[zinc pasture]

Stead she was just around, chilling doing her own thing while we were killing stuff

[weary adder]

I think she will just be cast aside completely

[zinc pasture]

They should at least try to endear her to us, annoys me when the plot randomly kills "Steve- that one guy who brought potato salad!" As a way to "raise the stakes"

[zinc pasture]

Eh hopefully she's used in like, minor lore blurbs or something

On aside tho, glad I got a decent Survivor's Instinct tho

Took me a while getting one with decent perks

[dawn dove]

something something she hosts the iron bar, something something she made music about jolder

[weary adder]

I dont thinkl, new npcs are always introduced and old ones r forgotten

[zinc pasture]

Hey, this is a non canon Destiny run, they can go wild and do their own thing!

[zinc pasture]

Instead of, that.

What even is the point of Iron Bar tho? Is this like early Crucible?

[dawn dove]

i hope the next story expansion they release is vex/hive themed, with involvement and maybe limited banner with osiris

[worn zinc]

kinda weird skorri's an awoken honestly i expected all the iron lords aside from Felwinter were human

[zinc pasture]

YES, IDK much about lore, but hopefully Saint -14(whatever number he would be at here) if possible

[worn zinc]

still saint 14

[dawn dove]

on one chance, they HAVE to tie in osiris and saint 14 although they wouldnt know eachother or be together yet

[worn zinc]

exos are only reset before they become guardians

[dawn dove]

but on the other, he and jolder would be pretty similar

[zinc pasture]

They never established this back in D1 and D2 ye? Meaning they could just do whatever they want probably

[dawn dove]

i could see him getting shield bash as one of his abilities and unbreakable as the other

[zinc pasture]

Exactly!

[worn zinc]

idk vibe wise the iron lords feel human

[zinc pasture]

Don't they reset once their memory banks runs out of space? Hence the number after an exos name representing the amount of resets they had?

[weary adder]

they should add a world filled with furries :0

[zinc pasture]

Makes sense, since they're earth warlords taking territory on earth

[dawn dove]

i believe originially the resets were to reduce the hard mental strain on becoming an exo and the wild experiments clovis did on them

[worn zinc]

so reboots don't actually wipe the memory aside from when they first become exos

[dawn dove]

but now its more of a personal thing like how banshee just does it willy nilly ig

[zinc pasture]

Yeah but eventually they figured out this was the best option after living for a helluva ling time tho right?

[worn zinc]

it's more just locked away

[zinc pasture]

Oh so it's more like a coping mechanism then?

[dawn dove]

i mean, theoretically cayde wouldve "Run out of memory" by now if that was the case as hes on the lower side of resets and hes been around for awhile

[zinc pasture]

Huh, so resets are still a little bit ambiguous then?

[worn zinc]

so generally most exos fall under the below 10 resets

[dawn dove]

yeah

banshee is really the only exo that has a wild number

[zinc pasture]

So Saint-14 and Banshee-57 are the outlier's then

[dawn dove]

but im psure in the europa lore entries there are exos with huge reset numbers too

[worn zinc]

20 is technically the reccomended limit

[dawn dove]

i mean ada has only reset themselves once

[zinc pasture]

Is there like a Steve-420 or something?

[dawn dove]

and shes been active for AWHILE even not being a guardian

[zinc pasture]

Huh

[worn zinc]

most reboots are due to how memory engrams are stored so they can't really "forget" like humans do, but other times they're rebooted for stuff like Vex Infection

or they find out too much

[dawn dove]

or clovis messes them up

[zinc pasture]

Find out what? That Banshee is that main Bray dude?

[worn zinc]

when in doubt blame Clovis

[dawn dove]

i guess yannick also falls into the large amounts of resets too

[zinc pasture]

Who dat?

[worn zinc]

but yeah memoriess tend to become cloudy for exos post reboot, Cayde's son Ace is him foggily remembering Micah-10 before she transitioned iirc

[dawn dove]

the voice in tan-2's head, not spoiling unless you REALLY wanna know

[zinc pasture]

Good to know, and pass since I'll get him and Jolder soon enough

[dawn dove]

good, do his charcacter story heh

[worn zinc]

ill get him someday, I just got Jolder last night alongside another Ning Fei dupe

[zinc pasture]

Eventually when I get him, gonna go get good with Gwynn first tho, sunk cost fallacy/goth lady and stuff

[worn zinc]

(this game wants me to be a Ning Fei main)

[zinc pasture]

Ning Fei, jackhole annoying you all the time in draw

I swear Ning Fei is gonna be the games meme about that one dude you always get in draw

[dawn dove]

yeah i literally JUST pulled gwynn after suffering and doing everything i could to get leaves

[zinc pasture]

Grats!

[dawn dove]

i had to resort to collecting lumiflies

[worn zinc]

i had to get the pity pulls for both Gwynn AND Estela

RNJesus hates me

[zinc pasture]

Oof, luckily I got her before 38 til pity

Gonna go and try to get Estella now, who I will get assuming I don't get burnt out with Rising atm

Traveler I hope the next dude I won't want

[worn zinc]

iirc the next person is another 5-star void

[zinc pasture]

What's their style?

[worn zinc]

giant cannon

[zinc pasture]

I see, what are they personality/design wise?

[dawn dove]

Maori/pacific old lady

her abilities look really fun nonetheless

[zinc pasture]

Please Traveller, let me get her in 1 pull

[worn zinc]

im not too interested in the playstyle but i might pull her to unlock the diary entries, I'm helping log all of them on Destinypedia

[dawn dove]

im super interested in her backstory tbh

[zinc pasture]

Oh sweet! Thanks dude! Lore people like you make it easier for me to look up the story of games and stuff

[dawn dove]

its not often we get New zealand representation in games

[zinc pasture]

What is she tho apart from eye patch gilf with cannon tho?

Is she like a pie rat?

[worn zinc]

her playstyle apparently is AoE focused with a big reinhart style shield

[dawn dove]

i dont believe there were lore entries open for any of the characters during the testing unfortunately

she has a passive that buffs her abilities when she blocks damage aswell

[zinc pasture]

So a crowd clearing tank, noice

Also for the love of God, can they make it 10 seconds again?!

[worn zinc]

this chat aint popular enough for this cooldown

[dawn dove]

real

[zinc pasture]

Exactly, give it to the gen chat, this is the lore chat, it ain't got that much traffic

[weary adder]

Granny

[weary adder]

which means lore isnt popular?

[zinc pasture]

No, lore is definitely popular, just that lore chats usually isn't buzzing with traffic as much as gen char

Since lore chat is usually for discussing lore about the thing related to the server, and gen chat can be about anything in general

[pastel rivet]

I am intrigued that this is some alt timeline.

[weary adder]

which means furries being added is possible

[zinc pasture]

Same, they already have the "not canon" confirmation, so they can theoretically do whatever the hell they want

[pastel rivet]

Admittingly seeing a familiar face playing more active roles compared to Destiny 2 was nice. But Destiny 2 last time I played it looked like it got an entire story overhaul. Anyone have a clue what happened there? Did the "Traveller getting captured" plot cease to exist?

[zinc pasture]

That's old news man, like pre Destiny 2 is now free

Last plot I remembered was fighting the Witness, and the Traveller blasting the fool with some Kamehameha thing that makes plants grow

Also the darkness isn't really THAT bad, it's just a power that can be used for good or evil

And 2 new elements were introduced alongside 1 new subclass for each class

And another element but not really, alongside a sublcass that's just a hodgepodge of stuff of your choosing between every prior subclass

[pastel rivet]

I was curious about that one. Wasn't sure how cool or creative you can get running stuff from the different subclasses.

[zinc pasture]

Well there's 5 different one for each classes, and you choose between their melee, nade, I think jump, and super

Dunno how it is for the new stuff like Gunpowder Gamble, which is just a tripmine but on roifs

One other thing I remember tho, is that the saga of light and darkness is done now, and we're moving on to something else

[rustic elk]

Last word could be!, Jarren Ward, the word’s first owner has no disclosed date of resurrection.

Beyond that though sunshot is on the table (and was in some concept art so it has been at least considered) , Eriana’s vow could be if we meet her whilst she’s still breathing, The First Curse (the tex mechanica stock model of the last word prior to Ward’s modifications), Hawkmoon

I’d also throw down Lumina & Sturm as “maybes”

As Lumina already is conceptually similar to a lot of the tree of light aesthetic and could be forged in a way unique to rising, and Sturm was a golden age gun so depending on how Nessus went in the rising timeline who knows, Victor’s symbiotic shooter might have never made it onto exodus black

[zinc pasture]

New threats out their in the universe looking to mess us up, meaning new things to kill and turn into guns

[zinc pasture]

Oh sweet! I just remembered that Last Word was Shin's gun, not that it was Ward's piece before you know who murdered him

And heck, I'll take a reskinned Lumina here, and Hawkmoon would look baller here

What would they do with Sturm tho? It's thing is that it's paired with Drang

[rustic elk]

Make it a dual wield exotic sidearm I suppose? One hand drang the other sturm?

[zinc pasture]

Maybe they'll do something like Sweet Business, DMT, Halo Mag, etc. and make an exotic that's really different from all the rest, making it really exotic

[zinc pasture]

Make it like Lawbreakers, dual wielding both and firing both at the same time

Dunno how tf they'll set it apart from other sidearms, or how to make it decent tho

Wait I just remembered an exotic sidearm in D2 that would REALLY slap here when used akimbo

What's the Trespasser's lore? That thing would be awesome in Rising

[rustic elk]

Tresspasser was the weapon of choice for Notable Hunter Shiro-4, a friend of Cayde-6 and Andal Brask. He filled the role of deputy hunter vanguard (aka the head vanguard scout) and was a renowned bladedancer

Anything else about its lore is kinda vague, I believe the gun itself was made was Fallen tech, and at some point after the tower fell, emperor calus found/stole it

[zinc pasture]

So it COULD be in Rising?

[rustic elk]

Shiro is a close friend of Saladin’s in modern Destiny so I’d say it’s more than likely

[zinc pasture]

There's a three digit binding code?

Also thanks for answering my question from 9am man!

[rustic elk]

All good haha, I like scrolling back through this chat every once in a while for fun lorebites to answer

[zinc pasture]

Thank you for doing sooooooo

Was very interested in potential hand cannons that would be kosher to have in Rising lorewise

[rustic elk]

It’s definitely a fascinating question for sure, especially when you can base it off the who’s who of characters and exotics from that time period, it really becomes a more broad discussion lol

[zinc pasture]

Curious how they'll explain the exotics that shouldn't be here tho

[rustic elk]

I got one word for you:

[wide zodiac]

"The agent of the nine brings curious wares."

[rustic elk]

That wordly wares peddler can get anything and everything laws of space time be damned

Other ones have been explained by ramifications of the alternative golden age and the changes to the collapse caused by them (Chaperone)

[zinc pasture]

Fair enough I spose lmao

[zinc pasture]

What do you mean regarding chappy tho?

[wide zodiac]

||Amanda never got the chance tio grow up this timeline it seems|| is what he means

[zinc pasture]

Oh, so she dead here?

[wide zodiac]

Poor girl can't even catch a break in a alt timeline

[rustic elk]

||Chaperone, and the Holiday family in general somehow appeared much earlier in the timelinethan they should have, and by proxy of being alive in the late dark age never had a city to make it to to survive||

This either means some timey wimey stuff made the ||holidays show up earlier||, orrr it means the collpase/dark ages potentially ended later, delaying the city age which is what I personally hold onto

[zinc pasture]

Huh, so good chance they dead dead now

[rustic elk]

Oh they are 100% gone

The chaperone was taken ||from their graves if I am not mistaken||

[zinc pasture]

What happened in the dark age tho? Was it like a massive attack that wiped the city out, or mad max stuff?

[zinc pasture]

Well that's grim

[worn zinc]

I think the lore implies that storyline was ||lightbearers stealing the chaperone from her grave||

||in another timeline||

[rustic elk]

The dark age precedes the city age, it was the time period wherein light-powered warlords were the primary ruling state-holders of earth until the iron lords got organised and started civilising earth

[zinc pasture]

Ah, so mad max bit with superpowered mfs that can respawn

[worn zinc]

All returning exotics reference Project Clarlo (?) which is a group that are stealing exotics from alternate timelines

[zinc pasture]

Oh so that's what's happening

[wide zodiac]

Basicaly, what happened to make the collapse happen was Kinda a bunch of factors and different players colliding to make the result of messing up humanity but not fully end it

[zinc pasture]

Is there some vague reason as to why they're stealing exotics from different timelines tho? Or were they more souvenirs from their tests?

[worn zinc]

I believe it’s to arm this timeline for some reason

[wide zodiac]

Assuming of rcourse that it has the same cause as d2 anyway

[zinc pasture]

Whatever it is, hopefully it's something cool

[worn zinc]

Like the Izi’s lore tab has a timeline where the fireteam saves Ada’s parents and trades a teapot for the rifle

[zinc pasture]

Are in like post dark ages tho? In Rising

[rustic elk]

Essentially, some were benevolent (Lord Shaxx), most weren’t, but a series of them unified under the ideals of re-enacting democracy across earth’s civilisations and they became the Iron Lords, they would recruit any warlords willing to aid them, and defeat any who wouldn’t (which was Jolder’s job, as Iron Champion her whole deal was to be the representative of Iron Lords in warlord trials by combat)

[worn zinc]

Specifically Crimson’s lore tab just straight up has the guardian from the main game’s lore tab getting their gun yoinked by a member of Clarlo

[rustic elk]

We are in the early city/post dark ages, haven is essentially the buffer years between the two

[zinc pasture]

Oh come ON, that lmao?!

[wide zodiac]

As for what caused the dark age? We kinda need to assume it's the same cause as D1/2 for now since we have nothing on it in Rising. But if we do, bascialy a bunch of enemies of humanity with different goals for us kinda had their plans clash together and the result was we barely survived.

[zinc pasture]

Ohhhhh, so we're potentially going to get to experience the dark ages?

[worn zinc]

D2 Lore Tab vs Rising’s Crimson Lore

[zinc pasture]

So something like The Fallen wanted our stuff, the Cabal wanted to conquer our planet, the Hive just wanted to fight, and the Vex was just there doing their thing

[wide zodiac]

Kinda different reasons and enemies, but that's going into DEEPLORE so Close Enough

[rustic elk]

Well we kinda still are experiencing the dark age, Gwynn, Umeko, Jolder, and more have characterisations kinda focused on dealing with very dark age concepts.

The best analogy is we are in the last days of the wild west, the cities are governing, the outlaws are thinning out and the sheriffs are becoming fewer and further between as organised police forces accumulate momentum

Discord replies work any% challenge

[worn zinc]

The Collapse is a whole bag of worms (heh) of lore

[zinc pasture]

Wait, so D2's main guy is named Samuel?

[worn zinc]

Just the guardian who originally owned Crimson

[zinc pasture]

Also oh! Like that sort of thing ever since Red Dead 2!

[worn zinc]

THE Guardian is usually just called The Young Wolf in lore

[zinc pasture]

Ohhhhhhhh, ok

[wide zodiac]

If you want a more detailed, spoilery but still kinda vage summery of said clash

||Basicaly, the Ultimate Big Bad of d2 untill Final Shape wanted to get the Light to preserve reality frozen in a moment, His minions wanted to kill us all, and Savathun, who was basiicly being trial run for a Minion Position, hoodwinked the lot of them into leaving by weakining the glowy light ball because she was against Big Baddie's plan||

[zinc pasture]

I love that Wily Witch!

[rustic elk]

Yeah the things that caused the collapse are a wild combination of messy factors and a few strokes of cunning and luck

[worn zinc]

Could’ve been worse too

[zinc pasture]

Sounds exciting! Would love to wee how they'll do it in Rising

[worn zinc]

Rasputin and Clovis both had plans to bomb the traveller

[zinc pasture]

Wait what, when tf did that happen?!

[rustic elk]

The Vex - Vexing
The Fallen - Chasing the Traveler
The Hive - (insert a ten page essay here)
The Cabal - On their way
The Awoken - Being Born by conflicts going down during the collapse

[rustic elk]

Yup, during the collapse they wanted to shoot it to make sure it couldn’t flee sol lol, Midnight Exingent protocol iirc?

[zinc pasture]

Why tf would you want to shoot what is essentially God to your people?!

[wide zodiac]

Well, Rasputin decided against it, but Clovis, in his infinate arogance, nearly activated it anyway.

Which, by the way, would have caused The Traveler to leave us disgusted and made things a million times worse, because Clovis Bray and Bad Decisions go as well together as bread and butter.

[worn zinc]

Yup, and clovis just wanted to play god

[zinc pasture]

Ah, so rich jagoff nearly shafted all of humanity so hard God would peace tf out

[rustic elk]

Clovis didn’t see it as a god because he’s a raging narcissist, and because the only thing worse than shooting it, is not having it at all and letting it run off

[wide zodiac]

Yep

Clovis is literaly the guy who thinks he's god, except he has the smarts to kinda back it up, and the lack of wisdom to make that dangerous.

[zinc pasture]

Least his brain strangled his ego long enough for him to think better of shooting God

[rustic elk]

It didn’t lol, Rasputin stopped it afaik

[zinc pasture]

I'd say Lex Luthor, but his thing is that he has a massive hatred for someone in particular for being better than him

[wide zodiac]

Clovis is smart enough to kill god and dumb enough to not get why you should not kill god

[zinc pasture]

Oh, and here I was thinking Clovis made a good decision

[worn zinc]

Same guy who made a portal to a Vex star under his lab

[rustic elk]

This is the guy who thought you could beat crota by just blowing up the entire moon

[zinc pasture]

That sounds like a very dangerous person to live in the same universe with

[wide zodiac]

About the only good decision Clovis made in his life was regretting his life choices about five minuites before he died.

Sadly, his clone mind body was cloned from before then.

[zinc pasture]

Who would've thought death was the one thing that could get someone like him to gain introspection and realized he sucks

[rustic elk]

Especially because he never took the bullets out of the gun (so to speak) after the collapse so the fallen ended up almost shooting the traveler centuries later with the same tools

[zinc pasture]

Dear God?!

[worn zinc]

Half of humanity’s lore in Destiny is “yeah then Clovis did a thing”

[rustic elk]

He is the smartest moron in the entire sol system

[wide zodiac]

We are talking about a guy who gave his daughter/granddaugher a superhorrific gentic desise (That exists in real life by the way) because only his genes were good enough to make a family from and he was sure he could fix the issue.

(He could not)

[zinc pasture]

This git probably has a body count of assistants/secretaries that died from high blood pressure after one too many "Clovis Bray did something stupid again"

[worn zinc]

Also the guy who greenlit SIVA

[rustic elk]

Well yeah but SIVA only went wrong because of Rasputin’s daddy issues, quicksilver proves it eventually had merit

[zinc pasture]

Clovis Bray, the man who could beat God's in the category of "and then this jagoff blanked"

[zinc pasture]

So he made his kids via some roundabout cloning method

[wide zodiac]

To be fair, SIVA was kinda a good idea. It might have been his ONLY good idea.

[worn zinc]

I mean originally SIVA was designed to improve the health/intelligence of colonists then Bray decided it should do EVERYTHING

[zinc pasture]

What was SIVA again?

[worn zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[rustic elk]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-nanomachines-son-gif-25954092

[zinc pasture]

Ah, appreciate you both using Senator Armstrong lmao

[wide zodiac]

The main issue that SIVA had was the only time we see it used it was used as a weapon.

Deliberately.

[worn zinc]

Or as Saladin said

[zinc pasture]

So it's like that spiderman meme, "I don't WANT to cure cancer, I WANT to go to war!

[wide zodiac]

Yeah kinda

[rustic elk]

Well except for one that may have been the product of an affair or may have just been adopted depending on what lore you read

Wait no that was Clovis Bray Jr (aka Clovis II) my bad

[worn zinc]

Fun fact, Elsie is the only exo with a custom exo body

[zinc pasture]

I know about that due* to certain memes

[wide zodiac]

Basicaly, what happened THERE was a series of events that may or may not happen in Rising.

An Iron Lord finds out about namomachines that can rebuild the golden age.

They send everyone they have after it.

Rasputin, the warmind in charge of keeping it safe and that does not trust The Light, does not take this well and releases it with "Go kill these guys" orders.

It does. Way, WAY too well.

It was the event that killed every Iron Lord except Saladin and Efrideet.

[zinc pasture]

This sounds hilarious and very morbid

[rustic elk]

One of said iron lords was also Rasputin’s “son?”

An exo with a partition of his AI that was deceased during the collapse and rezzed by a ghost

[zinc pasture]

Did D2 Wolf survive? Or were they made specifically for Rising?

[zinc pasture]

I think that was Felwinter?

[rustic elk]

Wolf is an exclusive character to Rising, the fate of Wolf is unknown and likely not great or non-existent in mainline Destiny

[wide zodiac]

Wolf was made specificaly for Rising. I expect one of the timeline differences is, well, him.

[worn zinc]

naming the MC wolf is so confusing

[zinc pasture]

Ah, I see

[tawdry tree]

But how much potential does wolf have compared to the young wolf from d2?

[worn zinc]

Like we have the Young Wolf, the Iron Wolves, the Wolfpacks, etc

[zinc pasture]

Destiny likes wolves man

[wide zodiac]

No bleeding clue. Let's throw him at Oryx and find out.

[worn zinc]

Wolf is strong relative to the Rising timeline, but The Young Wolf was on a whole other level from the start

[zinc pasture]

How so?

[rustic elk]

It is a little convenient to have a character be named wolf, resurrected in wolf armour (that has the iron tree already on it), with a ghost whose name translates to wolf, find their body in a library full of wolf statues and immediately be shepherded into a militant order that use wolves as a primary piece of imagery

[worn zinc]

The Young Wolf killed the Devils' archon priest on his first day on the job

[zinc pasture]

In case you had a hard time recognizing foreshadowing lmao

[zinc pasture]

How baller is that? And is that literally the first strike they sent you on that they place behind a content wall?

[rustic elk]

I mean for starters the Young Wolf is a lightbearer who doesn’t need a relic, that immediately elevates them past anyone currently in the rising canon

[wide zodiac]

It's entirely possible, and this is just me spitballing, that Wolf in this universe is a kinda repalcement for the Desiny 1/2 char in the timeline and plot, as well as merely player avatar. If this was the case, we could probably assume he could reach a similar level of power.

But it might not also be the case and Wolf is just some guy.

[worn zinc]

this is mission 2, Sepiks was the first strike

[zinc pasture]

So how big exactly was Sepiks and this archin priest?

[rustic elk]

Sepiks was the main servitor of the house of devils, their primary ether delivery source, a very big deal

[zinc pasture]

Huh, then how big was this priest dude?

[tawdry tree]

Since wolf keeps getting boost from those light photons, he might have just increased his potential

[worn zinc]

average sized Archon priest

[weary adder]

They could have him a fluffy coat or something

[wide zodiac]

Honestly, I think the big takeaway from killing such foes day 1 isn't a testamount to the young wolfs power, but more a testamount to how quickly they adapted to such circumstances.

[rustic elk]

An archon priest is like, the general of a fallen house, not a kell but pretty damn important and therefore consume ridiculous amounts of ether and have their size reflect that, about 2-3x larger than a captain (a captain is meant to be the size of a healthy average fallen)

[worn zinc]

Also it looks like Wolf isn't quite capable of using different elements

[zinc pasture]

So less super dee powerful, and more natural to MUEDERIZING whatever you send em at?

[wide zodiac]

Yeah. Then as time went on he did get super dee powerful

Which is a dangerous combo of abilities to have

[zinc pasture]

It's the relic era, and Wolf may be the first character to get a limited banner of their own with a 5 star version

[zinc pasture]

So like, the vice general, damn, first we kill the main food/fuel supply dude, then we murder the vice general

[wide zodiac]

A good rule of thumb for Fallen is The Bigger They Are, The More of a Big Deal they are

[weary adder]

Getting the same character for a banner sounds weird, not impossible but I doubt it will happen tbh- we might get a mechanic where the story progresses, different elements could be switched out on wolf

[rustic elk]

Yeah, if it wasn’t for Siva, most of the devils would have been wiped out before the red war even started, and the house of Dusk likely would have been much weaker by result

[worn zinc]

Devils do seem to be stronger in this TL but also the timeline's weird cuz one sparrow's description references the Battle of Twilight Gap iirc

[zinc pasture]

Oh fair, maybe like in Genshin where you switch the MC's element

[wide zodiac]

When in doubt, literaly size up how big the fallen you are facing is. If you are taller then them, you can take em. If they are taller then you, Oh no. If they are REALLY taller then you, bring out the super.

[zinc pasture]

Is that like talking about WW2 being a thing while in the Heian Period?

[zinc pasture]

So dreg, captain, Nova Bomb, got it

[weary adder]

Yeah, was thinking of Genshin too there lol

[worn zinc]

Twilight Gap was the most important battles of the City Age, but it happened during the Reef Wars, and the House of Wolves are still nowhere to be found

[proud cove]

I agree

[zinc pasture]

And we're just getting out if the city age right?

[worn zinc]

we're basically entering the city age

[zinc pasture]

Oh, that's even weirder then

[rustic elk]

Fallen - The More Important they are, The More Ether they get - The More Ether they get, the bigger they get

Dregs, Wretches, Maurauders, Marksmen and Vandals are malnourished Fallen, Captains are Healthy Fallen, Archons and Kells are over saturated fallen

Hive - The More Kills, The More Tithe - The More Tithe, The More Morphs - The More Morphs - The Bigger they get

No hive are “healthy” but accolytes were about their baseline before they interacted with the darkness, with Knights, Navigators and Wizards being their generic offshoots

Cabal - The Higher the Rank - The Larger they get

Cabal release hormones upon feeling pride or adrenaline, those hormones build up a tonne of muscle and bone density, so their ego can literally empower them

No idea how psions get bigger

Vex - The More data they need to process - The Larger a chassis they use, that’s it

[zinc pasture]

So essentially all our enemies work on a "biggest is best" mentality

Damn, are we sure there's no Warhammer Ork in the writing room?

[rustic elk]

Except Psions, traveler knows what they do?

[worn zinc]

they're going to the gym

[wide zodiac]

Less "Bigest is best" and more "We each have different reasons for why big is good, but big is always good"

[zinc pasture]

fav is definitely the Cabal, you can therotically get a bunch of super roided out Cabal by just stroking their egos

Then again that could backfire in giving you crap units

[wide zodiac]

Ah, so THAT explains Calus.

[worn zinc]

Hive are funky

[zinc pasture]

Hive are literally pokemon evolving and I love it

[rustic elk]

That’s literally how they work lmao

There’s some lore tab about a cabal legionary that gets promoted to Valus and rapidly “grows” into the role

[worn zinc]

All hive are born female (ish?) and morph into their forms

[wide zodiac]

Also, we don't see any of them because it's way too early but the Hive Gods are kinda HUGE

[zinc pasture]

They is?

[wide zodiac]

Oryx and Savathun are like 15 feet tall

[worn zinc]

Oryx was born as Aurash

[rustic elk]

Well I mean these days they are born as thralls which have been described as explicitly genderless in older lore, like they don’t even get enough tithe to have gender, just claws

[zinc pasture]

Wait a minute, this means a Hive can evolve into a God?

[wide zodiac]

In theory, a Thrall can become a god as powerful as Savathun or Oryx if they kill enough.

But like ANY good pyramid scheme, it always favors the guys who were at the founding of it more then you.

[worn zinc]

technically its possible but very rare

[rustic elk]

Yeah Malok didn’t morph and remained as a thrall for what, centuries? And he was still only strike boss level

[zinc pasture]

So Hive evolve via murder pyramid scheme

[worn zinc]

A mother Wizard gets fertility from a mate, or from herself. From the Wizard the spawn, from the spawn our Thrall, from the survivors our Acolytes who contend. If they contend well, their worm is fed, and from the well fed worm come Knights and Wizards and Princes.

[rustic elk]

Yup, Pyramid Ship Scheme

[wide zodiac]

Yeah pretty much. The amount of murder you'd need to do to outclass the likes of Oryx and Savathun... well it'd made real life dictators jealous.

[zinc pasture]

Wait, so a mother wizard can either shag with someone else, or just perfrom mitosis?

[worn zinc]

this was basically the 3 hive gods pre-worm

So it's mentioned Wizards can either self-fertilize or do with a mate

[zinc pasture]

So they don't get pressured to look for a good partner to make kids with

[wide zodiac]

Oryx alone has murdered more people then there are on the surface of the earth in real life right now. Unless you come up with a planetbuster weapon, you are staying in the little leagues

[worn zinc]

We haven't even seen a Hive War Moon yet

[rustic elk]

Mhm, when Cayde’s killer made a throne world it was like the size of a front yard, and that was from a kill equal to everyone and everything Cayde had previously defeated, compare that to Savathûn’s seemingly nation-sized throne or Oryx’s Multi-kilometre long warship throne world

[zinc pasture]

Damn, so he personally murdered enough that you need to exterminatus a planet to even reach his body count?

[wide zodiac]

Yes.

[worn zinc]

And Oryx was playing Shadow of the Colossus to build the dreadnaught out of a SMALL SECTION of Akka

[zinc pasture]

Travellerdamn I love the Hive

[rustic elk]

Reach his bodycount? No no, START his bodycount. The dude counted his kills in solar systems (not literally but he did wipe out numerous sol systems worth of lives in his crusades)

[zinc pasture]

Now I want a prequel game where we do this

[zinc pasture]

The biggest flex, when you stop using kills or money and count by systems

[wide zodiac]

All joking aside? I am 100% certain that the only reason we manage to defeat Oryx is because we killed his son and he went "You know what, forget just Taking humanity, I'm gonna exterminatus them instead"

[zinc pasture]

Ah, the TRUE First Avenger

[rustic elk]

Yeah Oryx was sloppy in his attempt because of his grief/revenge, by all laws of sword logic he should have just killed us first chance he got but he wanted to play with his food and draw out revenge

[worn zinc]

assuming this scale is correct, Oryx's dreadnaught can wipe out Earth with pretty little effort

and the Bond Brothers strike mentions blowing up the Dreadnaught would take 1/2 the solar system with it

[zinc pasture]

So through the power of his dead kid, we got his dad to be sloppy enough to give us a clear nutshot

[worn zinc]

so basically the hive are playing Dark Souls with cosmic horrors beyond our comprehension

[wide zodiac]

You want to know the most messed up part about the hive?

||Their entire existance was born out of a deception. Something worse they they needed soilders...||

[worn zinc]

also the Darkness/Winnower called Oryx "my man Oryx" in a lore tab so that's pretty cool

[wide zodiac]

The cosmic horrors ||Got played by bigger cosmic horror||

[zinc pasture]

?

[rustic elk]

Even Oryx’s past self thinks his death was deserved, if he didn’t stick to the sword logic, he deserved to lose because of it

[zinc pasture]

Lmao, he really got mad his dad didn't stick to professionalism

[worn zinc]

Oryx the GOAT

[wide zodiac]

Oryx is amazing and has a totaly beleiveable arc tbh

[worn zinc]

Even the Echo of Navigation being basically just the memory of Oryx was based

[zinc pasture]

Wait, he didn't use a nav system and just used his brain?

[rustic elk]

He got mad he didn’t stick to it lol. Future Oryx bailed out Crota pretty heavily a few times, by sword logic he should have just let him die but he got sentimental, which is a sword logic no-no

[zinc pasture]

Oh I got confused and got Oryx and Crota mixed up

[rustic elk]

Fair haha

[wide zodiac]

Also, I dunno how this ended after final shape, but Oryx basicaly put a Do Not Resusitate order on himself. Dude went "I ain't gonna lose, but if I do, don't revive me. It's anathema to me."

...Course, some would not listen

[worn zinc]

The Echo was basically just the Witness' memory of Oryx

Even his dead body refused to be revived by a ghost

[zinc pasture]

So in the end he stuck by the sword logic

[rustic elk]

Wasn’t it the Dreadnaught’s memory of Oryx from when it was first created?

[zinc pasture]

If I die, I STAY dead cuz I deserve it for being iced in the first place

[wide zodiac]

Unirinicaly yes

[zinc pasture]

Least he stood by his beliefs then

[rustic elk]

Say what you will about the guy he has principles

If you run out of lives you run out of chances, game over, no repeats

[zinc pasture]

Wait what does he think if Guardians then?

[worn zinc]

Oryx: dies, refuses to be rezzed, memory of him drops the hardest last line in existence, leaves

[rustic elk]

He hates them but he loves the player guardians for killing him

[worn zinc]

At least the stars will remember the shape I gave them…

Such a good line

[zinc pasture]

So he thinks the others are hackers, but us as the based good one who don't need no revive

[zinc pasture]

Damn, that IS a good line

[worn zinc]

everything Oryx does has aura

[wide zodiac]

Say what you will about Oryx, but he stuck to his guns even to the end.

Now Savathun? Savathun sold out

[zinc pasture]

Yeah but she's fun so she gets the pass

[worn zinc]

Xivu Arath needs to untoggle her caps lock

[rustic elk]

Well… not really, ghosts are just like really little heretical throne worlds to hive logic

If the hive are allowed to bend the rules, then so is everyone else playing. The only rule of sword logic is don’t have a FINAL death. The light may suck but using it to kill people is top notch to them

[wide zodiac]

Basicaly, 99% of hive are hypocrites and Oryx is the only real one

[zinc pasture]

Oh so reviving is cool, but if you get murdered and stay murdered, you're garbage

[zinc pasture]

Ah, nvm

[rustic elk]

Tbf Savathûn’s life experiences seem to have improved remarkably since she sold out lok

[rustic elk]

Yeah, like Oryx was disgusted to learn his future self had fully died whilst he was still around. He hated his heretical existence

[zinc pasture]

But is she as cool as Oryx

[worn zinc]

Oryx took "I'd rather be dead than wrong" to a whole new level

[zinc pasture]

Wait what does that mean?

[wide zodiac]

Hell, even Oryx planned for a "ressurection" after death, it's just in his case it was a more metaphycial one of "I'm gonna leave my killer a weapon that makes him use my sword logic to use it effectively and they will carry on my legacy"

[zinc pasture]

What gun is that?

[wide zodiac]

the Touch Of Malice

[zinc pasture]

Oryx is based

[worn zinc]

If something greater comes to destroy us, then we do not deserve existence.

• The Echo of Navigation

[hot tulip]

I don't know anything

[rustic elk]

Oryx Died in The Taken King, a version of Oryx was brought to life after the death of the witness, as a large cluster of light and dark energy, called an echo, made its way to the Dreadnaught, took all the dark psychic energy from the dreadnaught, and use the light of the echo to manifest that darkness into a version of oryx, focusing on the version of him that communed with the darkness for the first time as that’s when the darkness was strongest in his memories, bringing a past version of his mind and form to life inside the halls of the dreadnaught

Eventually this oryx met the guardian, Xivu and Savathûn and eventually got the bad news that hai future self was dead dead

He didn’t take it well

[zinc pasture]

Welcome to the lore channel! Best place to learn stuff about a certain piece of media!

[zinc pasture]

What did he do after?

[worn zinc]

Called his sister a heretic

[rustic elk]

Had a big crisis of faith but chose to continue believing in the sword, and essentially disowned his sisters before letting Eris Morn re-kill him

[zinc pasture]

Based

[wide zodiac]

As for "Is Savathun as cool as Oryx, the answer is "Yes, but for different reasons."

You know that Greater foe that I told you about that tricked the hive into existing? Savathun tricked IT much later.

She Sucessfuly took over a Ahamkara after it was left abaodned by her brother when he died, and used it to trap the awoken home city uin a never ending cycle of death designed to empower her in 3 different ways.

She is the ultimate reason Cayde 6 died, having cauused a chain of events with her at the very top that led to his death at the hands of uldren sov.

She unleashed a vex army onto the city of light, succesfuly captured and petended to be Osiris for a year so well that actual real life players thoughe she did a better job of being Osisis then the REAL Osiris esepcialy in lightfall, and tricked The Traveler into giving her the light.

[worn zinc]

also the echo dropped fire lines one after another

“the universe will erase their monuments”🔥🔥🔥

“the crime of creation, in which labor is wasted on the construction of false shapes”🔥🔥🔥

Xivu Arath is the real fraud

[rustic elk]

Both Fikrul and Oryx just became quote machines after getting their echoes

Unfortunately Maya left her “great quotes” coupon In Lakshmi 2’s pockets

[zinc pasture]

Oh yeah she is hella cool

[worn zinc]

at least she gave us dripped out Vex

hardest image Bungie's ever dropped

[rustic elk]

So true, gonna go do patrols in Florence Italy so I can extract some runway drip for the vex

[zinc pasture]

I will never not find it funny that we thought Savasiris was a better Osiris than Osiris

[worn zinc]

also it's funny the first thing the Vex do with free will is crime and drip

[zinc pasture]

Is that Vex playing shadowshaper?

[wide zodiac]

TLDR: Savathun is a tratior to the sword logic and the big baddies, but damm she makes it look cool

[rustic elk]

What’s fascinating is those aren’t the chassis that Sundaresh Vex normally use/are made with

Maya’s Vex are typically Precursor class Vex, these models are first generation Present Class Vex, the Destiny 1 Vex models

[wide zodiac]

Noone ever knows whose side she's truly ion except herself

[zinc pasture]

Best proof of free will, break the rules, look cool

[zinc pasture]

Wait, D1 and D2 have different Vex?

[rustic elk]

Yup, different headshapes

[zinc pasture]

How.... Vexing, alongisde this 5 second INCREASE IN CHAT TIMER

[worn zinc]

There's 3 types of Vex, the Precursor, Main, and Descendant

[zinc pasture]

Precursor is the past right?

[worn zinc]

Yeah

[zinc pasture]

The white and black Vex are cooler

[rustic elk]

Yup, precursors are more skeletal and gilded, present/main are metallic earthtone colours, and descendant vex are rounder and oxidised green

[worn zinc]

The Precursors are generally a part of Sol Primeval and Sol Progeny, and the Descendants tend to be part of Sol Imminent

[wide zodiac]

Perhaps her greatiest trick and spoiler for Witch Queen by the way, is just why she was impersonating Osiris to begin with.

Basicaly, she was studying her enemies to try and figure out what it was that made The Traveler select people for ghosts. And she did. Savathun, alone of all people in the universe, figured out the requirements for Guardianship. One of which is death and rebirth in the light.

She then proceeded to get herself cured of the worm eating away at her, and die, hoping that Thje Traveler would see her doing them and ressiect her in the light.

IT WORKED.

And as for the "Ghosts revive you without your memory issue?" She had The Young Wolf gather her memeires looking for a way to stop her and got them all back that way.

[wintry coyote]

Am i hallucinating or was there a heavy seraph frame somewhere in the game as an NPC or something

Like the ones from Worthy

[rustic elk]

Season of the worthy npc in lost sectors

[zinc pasture]

Wait, you literally just have to die somewhere with good lighting?

[rustic elk]

Or wait do you mean in Destiny rising?????

[wide zodiac]

I said ONE of the qualificuations

[wintry coyote]

Yes, i swore i saw one have a dialogue box in the tower

[zinc pasture]

What are the others?

[rustic elk]

I have not seen such a thing but dang would that be cool

[wide zodiac]

As The Speaker once put it. "Devotion. Bravery. Sacrifice."

[wintry coyote]

TBF Felwinter is mentioned, and any Felwinter content would absolutely REQUIRE Rasputin

[zinc pasture]

Can someone explain it for me? I'm like Ra's Al Ghoul right now

[wide zodiac]

let me find the speaker on it

[rustic elk]

Devotion Inspires Bravery, Bravery Inspires Sacrifice, Sacrifice Leads to Death

And a death by those criteria leads to a ghost potentially finding you

[wintry coyote]

Its why Savathun and the Hive qualified, her dying on the hill outside the City was her final qualification to get Immaru to come rez her at the end of Lost

[wide zodiac]

Darm my video link was deleted

[zinc pasture]

So devotion that leads to granting you the bravery to do something that could get you killed, bravery that leads you to doing something despite knowing you can/will die, dieing somewhere with good lighting

[wide zodiac]

Go look up speaker roast d2

He uses it ti taunt Ghaul and it is glorious

[worn zinc]

technically it doesn't matter where you fall

iirc our Ghost in Destiny mentions searching for us in the bottom of the ocean

[wintry coyote]

Also sidenote I really hope all the new exotic reprisals continue the Clotho story, its really neat to explain how things like Polaris or Izzy exist here

[zinc pasture]

That sounds horrifying for new lights there

[zinc pasture]

Also same, curious on this thing that spooked so good they decided to loot other timelines of the good stuff

[worn zinc]

honestly being Risen is not exactly a fun time

[wintry coyote]

I feel they're building to Oryx for 2.0, considering they establish Crota super early

[worn zinc]

Crota was also mentioned in the D1 vanilla story

[zinc pasture]

You're confused, dunno who tf you are, where tf you are, or why tf you are, and suddenly this weird ball box thing is saying your a guardian and have to fight stuff and you were just revived and gotta get to the city to report in for duty, and usually somewhere unfriendly filled with things that wants to shoot you

[rustic elk]

Let’s give an example

Uldren Sov was a hero of the reef, devoted fighting for it and most of all for his sister Mara, that dedication made him do everything short of moving literal mountains to bring her back when he thought she died, he crossed every line and burned every bridge for a cause he truly believed was just. And when he was struck down, and intombed by the reef with funerary honours, it put him in the place for his Ghost, Pulled Pork, to find him in the Dreaming city and resurrect him as Crow

[worn zinc]

Gwynn straight up got spawn trapped after being risen

[wintry coyote]

5 points for using Pulled Pork and not Glint, true lore fan here lol

[zinc pasture]

So die doing something while truly believing in your cause

And have your corpse be somewhere with good lighting maybe, since apparently the bottom of the OCEAN counts

[wide zodiac]

Oh, and when we say "Burn every bridge" I mean "Dude got Played by an Ahamkra so hard he torched the reef and all of his people"

[worn zinc]

Basically Risen runs on Valhalla rules

[wintry coyote]

Forsaken Prince is basically his entire downfall, very good lorebook

[zinc pasture]

Oml I thought Glint was his guardian name

[rustic elk]

Frankly ghosts have rezzed some guardians in pretty awful places, one warlock from D1 got rezzed under a few tonnes of Fallen machinery and was pinned for days

[zinc pasture]

Is that like, an actual book I Can read?

[wintry coyote]

His Ghost is Glint, Uldren's guardian name is Crow. Pulled Pork was the nickname his Ghost had

[zinc pasture]

Did the ghost at least signal for help?

[rustic elk]

Well he wasn’t Glint until uldren gave him that name so it’d be rude to discuss events out of order haha

[wintry coyote]

In game lore book, but theres a website called Ishtar Collective you can read all the lore on

[zinc pasture]

Sounds funny and oh yeah he goes by a bird name now

[zinc pasture]

Oh sweet! It's in there for free!

[worn zinc]

Bungie also made hardcover anthrology books of some of the lore

[wintry coyote]

I have a few, very cool and they have some really sick art too for certain cards

[wide zodiac]

Basicaly, his sister (That he totaly never had the hots for no sirree) was killed in the Taken King. He goes to try and find her, and eventualy, he hears her voice, telling him she's stuck in the Dreaming City and that he should totaly free her and cause as much chaos in the meantime as he can.

You can probably guess that what he heard was not, in fact, his sister...

[wintry coyote]

Yeah he gets eaten by a floating meatball lmao

[rustic elk]

This was in the middle of the reef, not sure there was much of a place to ask for help

The ghost didn’t even know they were rezzing the right guy, they couldn’t see the Lightbearer because their body was covered by the fallen vandal they died fighting, the ghost thought if was rezzing the vandal lol

[worn zinc]

I get the impression a lot of ghosts lack self-preservation skills

[wintry coyote]

Also we know Ghosts can feel their light strain if they go too far, as seen in the Ghost Hunter lore book where Cyrell appears, the Ghost mentions how there are places Light cant reach, so that could be why

[rustic elk]

I mean no arms or legs and one eye, they’re kinda floating sitting ducks

[worn zinc]

Tin Can (Estela's Ghost) being my biggest case

[zinc pasture]

And they don't have a gun

[wintry coyote]

Regarding why he's mute?

[worn zinc]

yeah

[rustic elk]

Well some don’t need them (Sloane’s ghost impaled somebody iirc)

[worn zinc]

my poor lobotomized ghost

[wide zodiac]

You could tell it wasn't Uldren's sister because it was speaking affectionately to him.

[zinc pasture]

Oh! Lovely! They just need knives instead!

[rustic elk]

The just need willpower

[wintry coyote]

You're Drifter? Cool

[zinc pasture]

Probably should've tipped him off in all honesty, that fake simp

[wintry coyote]

Iirc Drifter's ghost is basically braindead because of the modifications he made on the ice planet with the monolith goo creatures, which is how he has the red eye mode

[rustic elk]

Or Asher Mir, or Sagira for like two weeks, or others

[wide zodiac]

Eventuialy, Mara would show affectuion for him, but it was too little too late, considering he had been a gurdian for a year with no memory of her by that point.

[zinc pasture]

Why in the hell would you modify your ghost?!

[worn zinc]

Drifter HATED his ghost

[wintry coyote]

Because you're on a hostile planet with creatures of pure Darkness unlike anything in Sol

[zinc pasture]

By lobotomizing it?!

[wide zodiac]

I think Mara came to regret a lot of her choices, by the end honestly. Even if she's too much of a stubbon witch to show it to anyone

[wintry coyote]

It let him access new levels of light beyond normal

[rustic elk]

He was trapped on a planet of pure darkness, no way out with using the corpses of other ghosts to briefly supercharge your own

[zinc pasture]

Why tho?

[rustic elk]

It kept resurrecting him when he died of starvation, over and over, for WEEKS

[zinc pasture]

How so? Did we ever get an idea on what that means?

[wintry coyote]

Read the lore for the Ancient Apocalypse armor, its all about the monolith creatures and Drifter's doomed expedition beyond Sol

[zinc pasture]

Ah, that WOULD suck and cause anyone to hold a grudge

[wide zodiac]

Honestly, Witch Queen was the best thing that ever happened to Mara Sov because it helped humanize her in a way little had done beforehand

[zinc pasture]

How much of a witch was she beforehand?

[wintry coyote]

Very aloof/arrogant/narcissistic, being the absolute monarch of a near immortal sect of posthumans after all lol

[rustic elk]

Because as we learned from good ol drifter, ghost resurrections cannot fix human sensations, guardians don’t need food, sleep, enrichment etc but they sure as hell feel the lack of them

[wide zodiac]

How can I put this? She was an amazing ally, a good queen, and a terrible family member.

[worn zinc]

also Felwinter grafted a Warlord's ghost to the back of his helmet

[wintry coyote]

Wasn't that more to protect his Ghost though?

[zinc pasture]

Ah, that kind of story

[wintry coyote]

And also his paranoia cause Rasputin was hunting his ass 24/7

[worn zinc]

I mean like it wasn't Felspring on the back of his head

[zinc pasture]

That sounds slightly sadistic, unless the ghost was a jagoff that REALLY deserved it

[worn zinc]

It was some random warlord he killed

[wintry coyote]

Oh right it wasnt felspring mb

[rustic elk]

I’m pretty sure it was just a warlord that Felwinter especially hated for being cruel

[worn zinc]

the dark ages were crazy

[wintry coyote]

Yeah and Efrideet was like "bro what the f no dead ghost armor"

[wide zodiac]

Yeah. You know how i said earlier that Clovis was a genius man who made all the wrong choices? mara is a genius queen who made all the right choices, but those choices kinda makes everyone bleeding despise her.

[worn zinc]

Putting up with Felwinter is probably why Efrideet became a pacifist later on tbh

[wintry coyote]

Clovis also had like, ungodly level narcissism too, man literally wanted to be the literal origin point of human evolution

[worn zinc]

Felwinter was a MENACE

[zinc pasture]

Like, sacrifice this guy's kid so we can have a utopia kind of choices?

[wintry coyote]

Its just his utopia would be created via darkness lol

[zinc pasture]

And that was just no bueno for her people?

[wintry coyote]

Cause Alkahest (the thing that powers Exos) is a mix of Vex Radioladia and Darkness from the Europa statue/Witness dissenter

[rustic elk]

Warlords were horrific

My favourite story (might have a few details wrong) was the warlord Citan, who once told his subjects.

Anyone who can walk through my barricade may stay in my castle and have all their needs met

Titan Barricades deal damage to anything that goes through them and do enough to be fatal to humans, a few dozen tried and even after seeing other people disintegrated kept trying out of sheer hunger and desperation

[wide zodiac]

more like "Becomes The Devil of her homeworld and leads loads of her people out itno the real world for suffering and death, because if she doesn';t it's the end of everything"

[zinc pasture]

Ah, that's even worse then

[wintry coyote]

Ramparts lore?

[zinc pasture]

Well that guy's a jagoff

[rustic elk]

I think so I don’t play titan much so my lore is rusty

[wide zodiac]

If she HADN'T done that, we would have all died long ago.

[worn zinc]

There’s even a lot of lore on what Warlords were up to in Gwynn’s diary

She has a whole list of Warlords she killed and what they did

[zinc pasture]

How did she choose who died tho? Or was she just like playing battleship but with people's names?

[rustic elk]

And then there’s absolute legends like Warlord Shaxx who kept his entire territory warm during harsh cold winters by emitting tonnes of solar light

[wintry coyote]

Also speaking of Gwynn, how did that dude in the quest get Black Armory armor lol

[zinc pasture]

Quests, durr

[wide zodiac]

She's kinda like the Anti Clovis in a way, ironicaly.

Clovis does terrible things because he beleives he's the only one who can save humanity. Mara does terrible things because she beleives she's the only one who can save everyone.

Thing is, Mara's actualy good at making the right choices, while Clovis is a jerk.

[worn zinc]

He got lucky drops

[zinc pasture]

True lmao

[worn zinc]

Also apparently one of the Warlords she killed was called Freak-4

[rustic elk]

Probably Niobe labs? Guessing it was still unguarded at that time

[wintry coyote]

I meant more like he sailed from England to Switzerland, somehow found Niobe and just looted a set?

[wide zodiac]

Also, mara makes her choices because ironicaly, she cares for people and the world. Clovis makes his choices because of his ego.

Intent matters.

[rustic elk]

I mean Lightbearers are champions of finding the niche and the bizarre

[wintry coyote]

True lol

[wintry coyote]

I mean a dude just found Graviton in a freeway tunnel in Old Chicago after all

[zinc pasture]

Omg I forgot about that

[worn zinc]

Gwynn's got a minimum of 12 confirmed warlord kills

[wide zodiac]

basicaly, mara and Clovis comparisons come down to "Mara does bad things because it's the only way. Clovis does bad things because he wants to BE the only way."

[zinc pasture]

Like a true tech bro, except he can actually pull off his insanity

[rustic elk]

Mara is a Pragmatic Utilitarian
Clovis is a Narcissistic Authoritarian

[worn zinc]

Imagine in the Rising timeline Mara dies instead of Uldren

[rustic elk]

The reef would be…

Screwed

[wide zodiac]

Oh yeah, noone can fault Clovis's genuis, it's his morality that was the issue

[zinc pasture]

Would be interesting tho, especially if they decide to give her the light stead of Uldren

[rustic elk]

Mara as a warlock would go crazy

[zinc pasture]

And his reasons I spose

Do something funny and make her a Titan

[worn zinc]

i just want a bow user

[wide zodiac]

Dude really needed to listen to the guy from Jurassic Park and ask "SHOULD I do this" rather then "CAN i do this?"

[worn zinc]

Give Estela a bow

[rustic elk]

It would be funny and even moreso probably irritate people who are fans of the Trinity Theory Destiny loosely works with haha

[zinc pasture]

Wait I just realized, we have CROSSbows, but not BOWS

[zinc pasture]

Exactly, if they did it I will whale for her as best I can

[rustic elk]

Destiny had Queenbreaker’s Bow before Bows

[zinc pasture]

Yeah but that's just a name, it's vwry clearly still a GUN

[frozen prawn]

Hi

[rustic elk]

But it’s tradition. A Destiny game needs to have bow things before bow bows

[zinc pasture]

I want my Leviathan and Tractor Canon

[wide zodiac]

I despise Clovis but I find him fasicnating because he's every jerk tech bro ruining the world, except he can actualy back it up.

[worn zinc]

We do use a bow in ||Estela's story||

[zinc pasture]

Wait, THAT'S RIGHT, the reason why I thought bows were in Rising!

[rustic elk]

Hush now that’s illegal until a proper character uses them (kidding)

[zinc pasture]

Which is both terrifying and hilarious

[wide zodiac]

Indeed

[zinc pasture]

Ah, that's where

[worn zinc]

she really should've had a bow primary :(

[glossy rain]

What’s black armoury armour ?

[zinc pasture]

Bonjourno

[rustic elk]

God I hope we get Leviathan’s Breath in rising, heavy bows are so niche in D2 and that void bow would really shine

[zinc pasture]

Armor made by the black armory, durr

[wintry coyote]

Set from Destiny 2, basically Black Armory is a secret manufacturer from the Golden Age, the Titan in Gwynn's story quest is wearing the armor you got from doing the Black Armory activity

[worn zinc]

With the current loadout restrictions we probably won't :/

[zinc pasture]

I'd find it funny if it's lore was the clotto dudes and they're going "why did you grab a BOW instead of a GUN?! that shoots BULLETS?!"

[glossy rain]

Oh you mean in destiny 2 not rising right ?

[wintry coyote]

Yes, Black Armory is from D2, but they seem to exist in Rising considering the Titan armor

[zinc pasture]

Wait question, can Seraph weapons be in Rising? Loved using their weapons as they looked awesome

[wide zodiac]

Also fun fact:

Clovis Bray's greatest creations, the Exo? Yeah those were made using a Darkness artifact that whispered to him in his dreams to come find it.

He was struggiling cracking the code to make it work, and found what he THOUGHT was a new scientific discovery but was in fact the very same paracausla power he hated in the light. But darkness power got a pass because it talked to him.

[wintry coyote]

Also I THINK the Hunter in Jolders quest has a Blast Furnace or No Feelings in the text message photo he sends

[worn zinc]

I wonder if they can legally add the MIDA Multi-Tool since it's technically not from Destiny

[rustic elk]

Well a dude in Wu Ming’s quest was already wearing Escalation Protocol gear so probably lol

Plus seraph bunkers were on earth so fair game

[wide zodiac]

Oh and the experiments to create the exo? Well... to put a long story short, there were a lot of rejects lets say.

[zinc pasture]

Nonono, it got the pass since it had enough sense to let Clovis THINK it was his doing, stead of the darkbess'

[zinc pasture]

Yesssssssssssss

[wintry coyote]

Look up Bray Lab Records, just a small sampling of Clovis' research

[wide zodiac]

TBH I feel sorry for Elsie Bray. Imagine seeing your dad expriment on a bunch of humans to make exos, seeing the mad and crazy and probably self harming results, and relising just a sliver too late that's his grand plan for saving you from the desise he cursed you with to begin with.

Oh and he made your chassis look hot as hell for no apparent reason since I don't even think clovis cared about such matters.

[zinc pasture]

Probably ego, since it's HIS offspring, and it would look bad if said offspring looked like all the other commoners that ISN'T him.

So he decided to hire someone good at graphics or designing or whatever, told em to design the aesthetics of the new body for Elsie, and the rest is history

[rustic elk]

I think the prevailing theory is it was meant to be closer to her real body than most other frames to further reduce the chances of rejection?

As reports from other exos on europa have people complaining about things like having to relearn how to walk due to losing a foot of height in their new standardised exo body and the like

[zinc pasture]

So she was hot as both human and exo

[wide zodiac]

That should NOT be the takeaway from that story but it often is, yes.

[rustic elk]

There’s a lot of exos stories that should not be takeaways lol, like the amount of misinfo/misinterpretation around exo concepts is wild

[zinc pasture]

I mean it's the most obvious one

Wait how is she looping again?

I know the purple thing she has helps her remember the past runs

[rustic elk]

We don’t know, but the darkness driven future she was fighting to avoid got avoided so I guess no more loopin

[wide zodiac]

Traveler sends her back after each fail

[rustic elk]

Is that what it was? Damn the IX must be jealous lol

[zinc pasture]

The IX can't do that?

[wide zodiac]

Yeah, and she's gone though... I dunno the offical number but something like over 800 retries? ...Though I might be cofusing that with The Good Place

[zinc pasture]

What exactly happened that has her go "oh hell yeah! No more looping baby!"

[zinc pasture]

The good place has time looping? Isn't that about how a bad person got into heaven for some reason?

[wide zodiac]

Long story, forget i said it

[zinc pasture]

What did you say? "Wink wink nudge nudge"

[wide zodiac]

I think I said that Elsie has gone though a massive amount of loops and NOTHING ELSE

[zinc pasture]

Ah yes, i deed

[rustic elk]

The IX cannot travel back in time, but they can see the future/transport things forwards. So to them any preparations they make only have one attempt, but with future precognition they rarely need more than one

The IX can only make things go forwards

[zinc pasture]

So they can yeet things into the future?

[rustic elk]

Yes!

They have yeeted many spoiler-heavy things into the future

[zinc pasture]

Can they therotically, take a bomb made in the past, and yeet it into the future at something they don't like?

[wide zodiac]

I don't even know what the deal with the Nine are these days. Last I checked they were ||the empty space of planets|| but i have a feeling that Edge of Fate tipped that on it's head.

[zinc pasture]

Maybe it was counter intelligence tomfoolery?

[worn zinc]

funniest thing the 9 did was ||send a truck to kill Ikora so she can become a guardian||

[zinc pasture]

Nine Express delivery!

[rustic elk]

The current system is they are ||entities comprised of the dark matter bound to each planet + the sun, a series of 4th dimensional beings who cannot sustainably exist in 3rd or 5th dimensional state||

[rustic elk]

I’d maybe spoiler bar that? Just cause it’s the most recent D2 dlc and all but not a big deal or anything

[worn zinc]

fair

[zinc pasture]

True, it's also not how I would expect someone to die

[wide zodiac]

...You know, somehow this doesn't surprise me, but man, jerk move

[strange frigate]

Nine more like the eight

[rustic elk]

Yeah context was ||Ikora was a mathematician from the 1960s who headed up a department call project graviton (which created grav lance and grav spike), this woman was an important friend to the 9’s next emissary, a man named Louis (Lodi) after Orin quit her job. The IX needed something from Lodi’s past there to greet/torture him, so they sent a train through a time portal to hit the pre-ikora and kill her, and then dump her body and car in the future somewhere easy for Ophiucius, her Ghost, to find and rez her memoryless, then they left her alone for a few centuries until they needed her in place on kepler||

and ||as a bonus fun fact, the IX seemingly know she will be promoted to Vanguard commander in the near future, and thereby already call her this title despite her not having accepted the rank yet||

Bonus bonus fun fact:
||The woman Ikora was had a daughter||

[zinc pasture]

Huh

[wide zodiac]

Man, the nine are jerks

[zinc pasture]

So there's a chance we'll find some guy with an uncanny similarity to Ikora's face

[wide zodiac]

Also, I know this should not be the takeaway, but that means that Ikora was smart as hell both as a human and a warlock

[zinc pasture]

And her being a warlock was the natural outcome

[rustic elk]

It’s not likely ||The Nine got her in position to kill her by seemingly setting up an emergency regarding her daughter, she probably died the same night as her mother||

[wide zodiac]

Also, you know, the collapse and all.

[zinc pasture]

Damn, the nine ARE jerks

[wide zodiac]

Even if they somehow made it to the time the Traveler showed up, which would mean living for at least 100 years without space magic assuming it shows up in 2060, the collapse pribably gets them

[rustic elk]

Many people are in life as they are in Light

Uldren Was a Hunter and a traveling scout
Savathûn Was a Warlock and a Cunning inquisitor
||Wolf|| was seemingly either an explorer or a risk taker that fit the Hunter nature
And many pre-res titans usually died protecting other people

[zinc pasture]

Oh wait, I just realized what year she's from, DOUBLE damn!

[worn zinc]

||she also had hair back then||

[wide zodiac]

...Where did the hair go

[rustic elk]

The traveler arrived in 2013, Destiny 1’s first cutscene iirc says it is set in the present day, which at launch would be 2013

[zinc pasture]

Maybe it got blown to hell as she was rammed

[rustic elk]

She shaves it down, look at her haircuts in rising and D2

[wide zodiac]

Oh so that explains why our timeline irl is so bad, withness got to it.

[worn zinc]

Just don't let the Ahamkara wish itself into our timeline

[wide zodiac]

We meant to be 11 years into a golden age by now but things went bad

[wide zodiac]

We've had tales of Djinn for centuries, Oh Loreist Mine

[zinc pasture]

Question, what was the lore reason we get when we got the halo magnum?

[worn zinc]

We recover it from the Paraverse where we find Chief's cryopod and a broken magnum, Banshee repairs it using a Breachlight

it's mentioned that all of Bungie's titles exist in the same multiverse

[zinc pasture]

So it can also fit in Rising, assuming they go through the trouble with licensing and stuff

[worn zinc]

Possibly

Though it faces the loadout restrictions in Rising

And all the sidearms in rising are dual wield rn

[zinc pasture]

True, but it would be awesome as hell if they made it into like a combo set or something

A primary shotty or whatever heavy weapon, powered down to be a primary or whatever, and insted you dual wield TWO Magnums, for your heavy weapon

I don't know how practical this can be, or if it'll be worth running, but good lord that sounds cool

Wait, question about the cosmic horse, what the heck was it?*

[weary adder]

Cosmic horse? Sounds like furry. I’m interested too

[worn zinc]

He’s an all-knowing horse who hosts the gameshow Dares of Eternity

Thats honestly his entire bit

He’s also voiced by Dee Bradley Baker

[wide zodiac]

DO NOT SO CASUALY DISMISS THE MIGHTY STELLER STALLION

[zinc pasture]

I forgot it was a gameshow but filled with violence

[weary adder]

So squid game?

[wide zodiac]

More like roman gladiator games but with a camera crew

[weary adder]

Gladiator furry games would be cool 😯

[wide zodiac]

The horse is not a furry. The horse is an actual horse. A horse made of stars that pulls all the enemy races to fight you and is ommipotent and ommicisint, but still a real horse.

[weary adder]

ooo, they should make the horse a sparrow too, would be cool :3

[pastel rivet]

So wait run it by me again. So the plot where the traveler gets taken by....I forget his name. Leader of the Kabal or something? It's not retconned? You just start off earlier than it or something?

[spare robin]

This is set way before we got booted down the side of the tower by Ghaul, but I believe Bungie also stated Rising is like... A alternate universe/timeline or however they're spinning it now

[tawdry tree]

Alternate timeline, set way back at the end of the dark age and the beginning of the city age

[distant wren]

You will have to pick the recommended character for the challenge and be sure to level them up as much as possible so you can go through the tests easily.

[pastel rivet]

I apologize I'm aware rising is like an alt timeline I just meant when I hopped on destiny 2 that plot didn't happen.

I wasn't sure if Destiny 2 also retconned it's entire plot.

[rapid slate]

I have a question, is the shield in the vault of glass the same as the shield in destiny rising? Just visually different

[karmic zodiac]

Love to run duel sidearms in the main games... duel Drang and Strum??

[woeful raven]

nope thats not retconned in destiny 2, its just been removed so you cant play it anymore. but its still part of the story

[mint acorn]

oh god that means there will be a set of vex from the future trying to convert every timeline to where the vex defeat the guardians...

their "perfect" timeline

[weary adder]

They should still add furries to the lore

[dense cave]

how old is the term eliksni
like is it as old as forsaken

[dense cave]

does that mean that drising can theoretically eos like this and kill all of earth

[mint acorn]

possibly but we could have the same thing as destiny 2 where Wolf is a wild card in the timeline which prevents the vex from "perfecting" the timeline

[mint acorn]

that would be interesting to see, a guardian that died in their fursuit and was revived, but the ghost made a flaw... the guardian was forever changed by this, and now the fox is ready to pounce on their prey ........i may have gotten too interested in the idea...

[weary adder]

„Pounce on their prey“ 😭 I love it

[mint acorn]

ty :)

[hoary willow]

Do you guys think redagas is a bit suspicious or is it just me? I don’t know but since I finished the story I have a weird hunch about him,he does have an ahamkara after all

[weary adder]

I wouldn’t say he is bad in nature, also Estela also has an Ahamkara but she is awkward really

[noble dawn]

Dude that is so cool!

[zinc pasture]

But wayyyyyyy cooler

[dawn dove]

the iron lords in original d2 lore werent the best people but still marginally better than the warlords however as time went on radegast got more and more aggressive and harsh. it probably doesnt help that he is being exposed to and using an ahamkhara for who knows how long

[hoary willow]

ye i had a hunch due to mara and rivens relationship although she wasnt evil necessarily

[dawn dove]

riven was a plotting and scheming evil dragon though

im pretty sure in the exotic mission for season of the wish we learn of her mate who was much nicer to people and such i believe so it may just be that morgran is a good guy

[storm coral]

Yeah, there's a difference between that Radegast and rising Radegast

[dawn dove]

i like to think that this is more of the timeline where he didnt end up going into site-6 and got to see his dream of a prospering humanity (Somewhat better than when he was arisen) so hes mellowed out alot

[hoary willow]

that is true one thing is certain tho the lore is amazing cant wait to see more stuff maybe eris or zavalas origin or even caydes

[dawn dove]

the next story expansion will deffo be either vex or hive themed, and fortunately both fit osiris 😁

[rustic elk]

Destiny 2 had an entire expansion about this! It wasn’t a good expansion but the narrative had potential

[mint acorn]

oh. curse of osiris i'm assuming?

[rustic elk]

Mhm! The vex developed a mind that was finally capable of simulating paracausal energy, and wanted to use it to wipe out both the light and dark and just leave Vex

[zinc pasture]

I'm happy with either ngl, since I find both more interesting than the Eliksni

[zinc pasture]

Was talking about this, thought it was the latest .essage

[ivory moon]

Wayyy before Forsaken. Was around in D1

[wide zodiac]

I mean, Ahamkara are just kinda living creatures that grow up like any living creature. If you find one at birth and raise it well and inplement some good rules to keep it fed without going evil, I see no reason why an Ahamkara can't grow up to be a force for good.

Thing is, it's a lot easier to just, like, be a jerk when you feed on people's wishes and people are always making wishes because people are dumb

It's like constantly trying to resist the all you can eat buffet when you have't had food and water for 2 weeks.

[vernal talon]

Will rising continue the main story from where it left off. When Harrow entered the cave and what is the difference between destiny rising and destiny 1 or 2

[wide zodiac]

We don't know but have to assume so for quiestion 1, and question 2 is "A lot of dffierecnes, but the most pertinent one is this is between the Dark age and the City age"

[vernal talon]

Thanks

[dawn dove]

i think its because ahamkara feed on the difference between the wish and the desired outcome meaning you just get more food the more of a dick you are and twisting wishes

however as taranis proved, you dont really need to twist the wish much if at all to get a sustainable amount of energy from it

[rustic elk]

Estela’s intro mission shows this off well

Ahamkara benefit from creating bad outcomes because bad outcomes usually make people more likely to keep wishing.

If you wish, get extra good results and end up content, you’re likely to only need smaller and smaller wishes as time goes on

But if your first wish screws up, you’ll either be scared off and take the L, or you’d double down and try to keep wishing your way back to a good outcome

Plus as others have stated, Ahamkara feed on the gap in reality between the intention and the result.

And as most people are usually either self-serving or seeking a benefit from the wish, the only way to make the gap is to negatively twist the wish as the original intent was positive

If someone wished for a bad thing, the outcome would probably have good side effects too

Like “I wish for the destruction of this good person” well the person loses everything and eventually passes, but becomes a martyr and has their teachings and beliefs spread further than ever before would be a valid wish twist based on older examples.

[wide zodiac]

Which is why I have suggested at least once that we just hand our enemies a wish dragon and what the chaos unfold

But that's kinda like handing them a nuke and hoping the fallout don't hit us

[nimble raven]

though i do wonder how much control they have over how they twist the wish, because when Radagast wished the shank away it wound up in Morgran's feeding grounds which im sure if he had any control over how to twist the wish, he would have not have done that as it directly harms himself.

[wide zodiac]

The reason it backfired on Morgren was because he didn't care where it went.

[weary adder]

If I had an Ahamkara I would wish for Furries to be real

[wide zodiac]

Rookie Ahamkara mistake

[dawn dove]

there is also the thing where some ahamkaras just want to be absolute dicks and either twist a wish into the worst possible outcome, or enable the most evil ones as shown with riven

[wide zodiac]

Wish Granted, Crota and his sisters are now furries, but they will never explore this due to their adherence to the Sword Logic being stronger.

[weary adder]

It’s the thought that counts I guess 😞

[wide zodiac]

For real though, I'm pointing out the issue there. Even if you GOT a Ahamkara and wished for that, it'd backfire.

And if the Ahamkara is enough of a jerk? it's backfire way worse then what I did

[dawn dove]

although im not a particular fan of ahamkara plotlines mostly because of them being overdone it might just be becasue its been riven centered for awhile

maybe morgran and the one from estela's story will make it interesting again

[ivory moon]

There seems to be an inconsistency on where the Old City/Haven is located in the Rising timeline.

Nearly every shred of evidence suggests central Asia:

• Wolf saying Jiangxi Metro is 12k kilometers away (roughly the length of the Great Wall of China for reference)
• The Red Sea also being relatively within distance
• Gywnn’s trial quest at Jiangxi mentioning she “came over the mountains from Europe”

But then Wolf’s own bio states his resurrection location as “Old City, South America”

[wide zodiac]

Eh, maybe time and space got borked

[crimson badge]

Hum

[worn zinc]

last time we did that we got the dreaming city curse :(

[wide zodiac]

...Ok, touche.

...Real talk, I hate that they just kinda dropped that plotline. It's been 8 years and no sucess breaking that curse, any Awoken still in that city has probably gone insane.

[worn zinc]

Didn’t the quest say 12k miles away? Which is roughly the opposite side of the earth as Jiangshi

[ivory moon]

I had thought it said km but I could be wrong

[worn zinc]

Assuming Jiangshi is roughly where Shanghai is and Haven is in Santiago is, that’s nearly 12k miles

[ivory moon]

My one friend who knows Mandarin is convinced Jiangshi is a transliteration error and is meant to be Jiangxi. Regardless, if that would still line up with South America if it’s 12k miles

[hot pivot]

Nah, the Chinese is 江石~

[ivory moon]

I’ll let him know he’s wrong then

[prime cave]

Jiangshi is in Asia but Haven is in South America. Crimson's lore also says the city is in South America

[ivory moon]

Yeah apparently the confusion was from me misremembering miles as kilometers instead

[dawn dove]

im pretty sure haven and the last city are supposed to be different no?

[prime cave]

Yes, Haven is an outpost near where the City is being built

[dawn dove]

i thought they were way further

[wheat hemlock]

Guys, there's any mention of Cayde in D:R?

[dawn dove]

some believe hes the guy in the shadowshaper duel art screen in the back on the glass

[ivory moon]

Last City’s getting built by the Traveller, you can see the Traveller from Haven

[wheat hemlock]

Would be cool to see that happening as the story progresses

[misty harness]

[burnt lynx]

lore disciusssed

even more discussed

[weary adder]

@burnt lynx thoughts on furries being possibly added to the game? I think it would be cool

[burnt lynx]

not likely

i dont forsee how unless it like some skin

[weary adder]

Hmm I think a skin would also work, I‘d love that tbh

[burnt lynx]

i could see that tbh

might look good on the right character

[karmic zodiac]

Hunters had an armour set that literally was a wolf skin on them in the main games

[burnt lynx]

yeah but that wasnt like full furry tho

[weary adder]

Partial furry is enough to satisfy me, do you have any wishes on future upcoming skins? Like any theme or smth

[karmic zodiac]

Dinosaurs 😆

[weary adder]

Dinosaurs would be very cool 🥳

Or maybe even, they could add real dinosaurs to the game?

[karmic zodiac]

Gwynn riding on the back of a scientifically accurate T. rex. Sold

[weary adder]

They could make it an event maybe 😭 rising is a gacha game after all, there is more freedom in the events

[worn zinc]

i do want them to stick with keeping the general Destiny aesthetic tbh

[stoic flame]

WUggFWai

[karmic zodiac]

They did add dinosaur themes armour in Destiny 2 a few years back for Halloween.

[worn zinc]

tbh i don't really like the dino sets either

[karmic zodiac]

Warlocks where done dirty 🤬

[worn zinc]

i do want to see a skin for Jolder in her Rise of Iron design

[karmic zodiac]

@worn zinc yes!! Though then can see her shutting the replication chamber and detonating the bomb to save Saladin

[weary adder]

Ooo it’s goldish, the game should add gold skins to the game. Somehow those always work

[worn zinc]

In general I wanna see some more D1 style armor, with that grounded sci-fi aesthetic rather than Space Fantasy

[mint acorn]

The doki doki set >_>

[mint acorn]

Hey uhhh you remember my little lore bit when I got too immersed in the idea? Heavy weapon has to be rocket launchers bc of 2 tailed fox 0-0

I realized what I said and the fact that two-tailed is already in the game is a little too perfect for the idea

[karmic zodiac]

Shame it's stuck with Ikora

[mint acorn]

For now- >_>

[karmic zodiac]

@mint acorn tbf I never use it in destiny 2.... it stays in the vault.

[mint acorn]

Fair enough but apparently 1 round in the chamber is 3 different elemental rockets with caty

[worn zinc]

Imagine they add Gjally with Ikora still being the only rocket launcher user

[karmic zodiac]

@worn zinc that would kill me lol. Not saying I use Gjally a lot in D1/D2 lol

[mint acorn]

Then there would be an ikora meta and a large amount of people do not like when a game has a meta

[karmic zodiac]

Gjally was never the same after The Taken King. Got nerfed so much.

[worn zinc]

Uh Gjallarhorn didn’t get reprised in Year 2

[karmic zodiac]

@worn zinc didn't get reprised until Rise of Iron.

[worn zinc]

And Year 3 Gjallarhorn was meta

[karmic zodiac]

Then wasn't in destiny 2 till the 30th Anniversary. My warlock still carries it

[worn zinc]

Man i miss my Iron Gjallarhorn

[mint acorn]

It got buffed and nerfed 70 times or so during Rise of Iron and all the way until now in edge of fate of destiny 2

[worn zinc]

Nothing will ever top the Fatebringer/Black Hammer/Gjallarhorn meta

[mint acorn]

Poor gjally has suffered too much over the years until they put it back to its Rise of Iron stats and 1.5x the damage of a high impact frame rocket iirc

[worn zinc]

Iirc it was still good but Y1 Gjally was just so unbelievably busted that it would’ve never lived up to it’s history

[karmic zodiac]

Pocket Infinity

[worn zinc]

Y1 weapon balancing was something else

Decrypting legendary engrams into blue weapons at the same time weapons like Gjallarhorn existed

[karmic zodiac]

Back to lore, I have every lore volume bungie has brought out so far. Would love a destiny rising one

[worn zinc]

I just hope they decide to actually continue the characters’ stories

I hate when gachas just have their playable characters story end early in the games’ lifespan and they never get lore again

[mint acorn]

...... You know how the fusion of DT (jötunn) is a primary? Imagine the destruction of pocket infinity in destiny rising

[karmic zodiac]

@mint acorn pocket infinity is still so broken. The telesto before telesto

[worn zinc]

We NEED Telesto to break Rising

[karmic zodiac]

@worn zinc Telesto!!!

[worn zinc]

Also so that one fusion rifle character has a better weapon selection

[karmic zodiac]

All these others who never played the mainline games. Have no idea what we are going on with here.

[worn zinc]

I wonder how much of Rising’s playerbase are new people to Destiny

[karmic zodiac]

A fair few. Well we better teach them the lore. In the alternative timeline

[mint acorn]

Oh, oh no, imagine telesto isn't named telesto but named "The Destroyer"

[karmic zodiac]

They was foreshadowing The Final Shape in D1

Yea its Iron Gjallarhorn

[mint acorn]

D:

[karmic zodiac]

@worn zinc love to get more lore on the characters. Finished Gwynns (no surprises there)

[mint acorn]

I'm slowly doing all my other characters but Gwynn, umeko and attal are done that I know for certain

Working on Tan's rn

[eager locust]

In Ikora’s first personal quest, the detailed coordinates of the Old City are given. The Old City is located in present-day Santiago, the capital of Chile.

[ivory moon]

Kinda cool they give us the exact location

The vagueness about where it was in D1 was always annoying (I didn’t play much of D2 comparatively, but I’ve heard they were a bit more specific there)

[worn zinc]

For the most part the location of the city was never really relevant until the Red War

[wraith carbon]

Only very slightly. They still don't give exact locations and more of just...hint that it's in south america. The Seraph Shield mission is where it became most apparent, because we could physically see the Traveler over Chile in the space.

In DR however they're very up front with the last city being in south america

[worn zinc]

It’s kinda been confirmed to be South America since we got the Chaperone lore tbh

[wraith carbon]

South America is still like...a continent. Doesn't exactly narrow it down lol.
Whereas here it's like "yeah it's in chile"

[worn zinc]

I remember for a while people thought the city was in Nepal

[wraith carbon]

The whole Cosmodrome and EDZ situations really convinced people that it's in Eurasia

[worn zinc]

The City probably was originally in Eurasia

[wraith carbon]

Destiny has quite the troubled history with rewrites, so who knows how plans have changed over time

They've definitely settled on south america though
Seems to be the same across timelines

[worn zinc]

Haven and the Old City is weirdly European looking

[wide zodiac]

City moves once a year each time the Traveler has it's yearly wibble and noone notices.

The rare time someone asks "Wait, did we have mountains over there before, that was a empty plain a year ago" They get shut down with "Look as long as it's not in the middle of a hive fleet I don't care"

[night haven]

Hear me out, a gardian based off of contraverse hold, the pocket nova, the lore of it is about a warlock unlocking "the multiverse" and becomeing a battery for the "other them" why not be the destiny rising universe

[dawn dove]

waiter waiter, one more void character

[strange frigate]

We need more void

[worn zinc]

Oops, all void!

We need more arc users

[dawn dove]

radegast thundercrash titan pleaseeee...

[rustic elk]

They’re seemingly based on the European Dead Zone’s art style.

Haven could maybe get a pass as its castle foundation iirc (and please correct me if I am wrong) is a pre-golden age construction, it might be based on colonial architecture which at a quick google a decent amount of chilean historical architecture is very European looking

As for the old city itself, who knows? Cultural cross-polination was everywhere in the golden age, maybe the old city just wore its cultural influences on its sleeve or potentially a lot of peoples and cultures sprawled out to unique places due to the newfound societal ease of the golden age making geopolitics fizzle out?

[dawn dove]

im psure the opening area you start in as wolf is reused EDZ assets

[rustic elk]

Many aspects of this game use assets from existing destiny content, such as most unnamed Lightbearers using armour designs from Destiny 2. I wouldn't be surprised if The Old City was used as a site of resurrection because of how familiar it would be for existing D2 players

[karmic zodiac]

My guardian was revived 11 years ago in the cosmosdrome surrounded by rusting cars, in the show

[dawn dove]

i wouldnt be suprised if haven is based out of the EDZ or close to it as the primary villain we face both in jiangshi and the surrounding areas of haven are house of devils

[prime cave]

Jiangshi is in Asia, Haven is in South America

[prime cave]

Also Radegast wished a lot of Haven's structure into existence, and he was in Europe before following the Traveler to South America

[dawn dove]

i dont mean to be rude but are there any confirmations on where haven is other than that one crimson lore entry everyone seems to use

cause if its in south america at santiago where people keep saying, that would mean the last city is replaced by haven which im pretty sure is not true

[prime cave]

Haven is mentioned to be a nearby outpost of where they're building the City. The City has several pieces of lore indicating it's in South America, including the Crimson lore, Wolf's bio saying they were rezzed in South America, and D2 continuity

[prime cave]

The Last City isn't replaced by Haven, Haven is a temporary outpost while the Last City is being built

[dawn dove]

ig its just weird continuity because the house of devils is primarily stationed in europe, specifically russia

[karmic zodiac]

Haven is a bit like Twilight Gap, an outpost.

[prime cave]

Haven is nowhere near JSM, we don't have any activities that take place near Haven

[rustic elk]

Tbh the houses move all over the place throughout Destiny history

[karmic zodiac]

House of Devils was everywhere

[prime cave]

Besides the intro revive missions*

In which we didn't really see a strong Fallen presence anyways

[dawn dove]

the empowering your light mission?, the side mission with the house of devils deserters?, umeko's mission, ikoras mission with sagira

[prime cave]

There were what, two captains? In all of the Old City missions?

[rustic elk]

Yeah, iirc in pre-rising lore the Devils have been found in:

South East Asia, Russia, England (albeit that was more the House of Kings), The Moon (briefly), Europa (Briefly) and Mars (briefly)

[dawn dove]

England was the fallen generally but i believe if the lore is unchanged london was specifically the devils

ig the best option is just to wait for more stuff to be fleshed out and clarified so we can see just how different it is, i hope we get lore books and lore entry tabs on weapons

[rustic elk]

You’re right that was devils

Lakshmi-2 had ambient dialogue about them and Achilles was devils

[dawn dove]

something something the devils burnt down london and murdered everyone lakshmi was present and i believe this guy called namrask too who was probably involved in it

[rustic elk]

Namrask is Achilles, or well the Eliksni-fied “Akileuks”

Namrask was a insulting name (translates to “empty weaver”) given to him by the house salvation dregs, a name he kept out of his disgrace for his actions in london

[buoyant flower]

oh wow

[olive dragon]

i skipped all the story did i miss out

[ivory moon]

To build off the part about Wolf’s bio, it specifically says he was revived in “Old City, South America”, and we know the Old City is within walking distance of Haven because we use the sewer to get there when empowering our sword through the Sentinel’s Hammer

[subtle wind]

House of Devils has many territories. The cosmodrome was where they had set up shop at the onset, but their banners are also found in the EDZ and even Venus in D1 crucible maps. Fallen houses are not set in one spot but in many scattered areas

This is why we also find them in Jiangshi in Rising

[worn zinc]

It is also mentioned that Fallen presence in South America is relatively low due to diseases

[leaden phoenix]

So this game is the alternate timeline or are they following lore acurate

!!

[tawdry tree]

Alternate timeline

[teal stream]

Do we have any info on what the Sentinels are? Are they an original concept introduced for this AU?

[errant glacier]

Original concept, yes.

[smoky turtle]

Does estella have a dragon lore?

[shell wave]

.

[teal stream]

Ah, so no info from the main universe then? Gotcha

[teal stream]

Oh thanks for this. But is there any explanation why one of the Sentinels had its own consciousness and enhanced Wolf’s Lightbearer abilities?

[errant glacier]

Given they were made using the Traveler's Light, Wolf seems to have absorbed a bunch of power from it, similar to how we absorbed new power in the EDZ and later the Pale Heart in Destiny 2.

The Sentinel wanted to pass on its power to a worthy successor in the defense of humanity, rather than let it be co-opted by the Cabal.

[errant glacier]

Her whole story is about Ahamkara, yeah!

[tawdry tree]

And while absorbing the powers that the sentinel have gifted wolf, it also unlocked a new transformation

[lament chasm]

That we can't use outside of the end of campaign sadly :(

Also I think canonically that becomes his new relic

Idk tho :P

[tawdry tree]

We don't know how long that form last or how much power it needs to maintain it. But it will be used in the future

[lament chasm]

If they allow characters to have multiple relics maybe we can use it as one

[tawdry tree]

Its the same relic he uses, he can just change its form while in that state

[lament chasm]

Oh

Hopefully we get that form playable in more than just that mission in the future

[tawdry tree]

They can make us unlock it permanently by using some kind of prismatic system or make it a second super bar

[lament chasm]

Yeah maybe

[wraith carbon]

Wolf got a fun little sentai-esque power coin after the end of Armageddon, so I presume that's going to come up again in the next major content patch

[prime cave]

Original-ish

Somewhere there's Destiny concept art of a massive mech corpse in the desert

[errant glacier]

True, original concept explorations for Mars had rusting mech corpses.

[frosty bane]

Hi, I wanted to ask about the Gauntlet Onslaught: Eclipse event in Destiny Rising. Is it open for the whole server or do you need to fill out a form to participate? Thanks!

I was mainly asking to know if it’s similar to the Embestida Gauntlet, where anyone can join.

[errant glacier]

This is probably the wrong channel to ask that! This is the lore channel 😌

Might try asking in #💭│main-chat in the future!

You do need to sign up for the event though, the link to which can be found in #📅│event-news.

[frosty bane]

Hi, that’s weird, because I see the event inside the game. I thought everyone could join.

Thank you very much, goodbye!

thank you for telling me, I didn’t know which channel to ask in.

[burnt lynx]

gday

lol

lol

lore

lore

[karmic zodiac]

Greetings Guardians, my name is clearly not byf... wonder if he will cover the lore for Rising 🤔

[burnt lynx]

hes planning on it already

i feel like byf is trying to compile all the lore given so much

[wraith carbon]

Everyone can attempt it in-game but there's a separate Discord community event that intersects with it.

[cerulean thunder]

No spoilers xD

[frosty bane]

Thank you so much, I understand now! They told me in the other channel. I really appreciate the information, that confused me hahaha. And about the channel, I should ask somewhere else hehe. Thanks, everything is clear now. Time to go for the in-game event! I wish I could join the other one where they give money, that one is serious competitive haha. Cheers and thanks!

[keen fiber]

Well this channel is always a fun read for lore, never kept up to date with much stuff but maybe I can in risings now

[keen fiber]

Actually now I wanna dive more into lore

Need more story in risings rn

One day ill watch a 10hr lore vid on risings

[karmic zodiac]

I never watched byfs 10 hour one before Final Shape dropped....

[sharp grail]

i cant believe the lore and story telling of this game.. i was hooked with TAN 2 story now Estelas?! amazing. 6k hours in d2 and i havent felt like this about destiny world building in a long time

[wraith carbon]

Estela's trial quest was amazing

[karmic zodiac]

Me and my long time friends have cried out for this sort of game. End of the dark age, early city age. Warlords, iron Lords, dredgens

[sharp grail]

i normally lurk and take in others opinions but i just cant stop gushing about genuinely being so excited to explore a destiny universe again.

also helps being a warlock main since D1 to FINALLY have summons after all these years. (turrets dont count) and the lore reason for her summons is perfect!

[karmic zodiac]

I finished estelas story earlier. Omg so good.

@sharp grail warlock main since d1 alpha me

[sharp grail]

atleast we're finally getting the warlock aspect we've been asking for. i think im finishing her story here now.. seems like its nearing an apex

[karmic zodiac]

@sharp grail finished gwynns like last week or before. Loved it.

[sharp grail]

@karmic zodiac i believe i finished hers last week as well. love her story. that mission hunting down the titan through the facility. such an amazing yet simple way to stress character development and tell a story with in reality a simple mission concept.

[karmic zodiac]

@sharp grail reading her lore... I would of done the same to those warlords.

[sharp grail]

i havent read the cards yet but just the dialog alone in her quest made me feel the same. lol. saving the cards for when i catch up on the side quests and all. still have so much to do in this game 😵‍💫 (insert steak too juicy lobster too buttery meme)

[karmic zodiac]

@sharp grail I've got the other characters to do. Something whilst I'm out of pinnacle energy trying to get exotic weapon mods and artifacts to drop so I can get Gwynn to 64k or I'm forever Acclaim 19 lol 😆 😅

[sharp grail]

im so far behind. think i just hit acclaim 8 or so lol. been pacing myself not to burn out. i was in the alpha and beta but wasnt sure what post game would have.. only my second real attempt at a game like this.

[karmic zodiac]

Ikora"s has spoiler alert Osiris in it

[sharp grail]

🤯

[karmic zodiac]

I have what.... (looks at psn profile, over 3000 hours on D2 (ps4 and ps5 combined) and 1800 hours on D1....

[sharp grail]

6k on steam for D2.. time wasted on destiny says around 4k actual played. not sure my console hours but year 1 i played part ps4 and part xbox before cross save existed..i had it for every system to play with different friend groups/clans (even stadia because of work lol) i think i only had like 500 or so hours on D1

[karmic zodiac]

@sharp grail I was on stadia too. Took a screenshot of the last day

[sharp grail]

it wasnt perfect but i thought it worked well for what it was worth. now i use nvidia geforce to stream it

[sharp grail]

we didnt know how good we had it

[karmic zodiac]

Oh and those hours, I didn't count other profiles.... its too much time spent... 😆

[proven python]

Kabr has sacrificed his fame for humanity as green and naive as he is in his story. Do yall feel his mental growth will eventually lead him to a heroic final moment in this timeline?

[inner rain]

Do you think they'll lean into more dark themed storytelling? I mean they have already more than the mainline games, but still

Bungie would've never shown a child possessed by an Ahamkara

[frozen sage]

Help, why does Yannick look like Tan in memories. They aren’t the same exo sooo?

[rustic elk]

I haven't done his questline, but potentially it could be on account of his Exo Brain just defaulting to his new body in recollection? Purely a guess

[uncut holly]

yk what I think is sad
that the story of rising is better than most of what bungie gave us
Just my opinion tho

[inner rain]

Some of the stories had me feeling so sad

[wet jacinth]

well because the budget is being used on the game and not on classic cars

[upbeat kiln]

i think my favorite parts have just been sitting in the bar or at the bonfire and just hanging out and talking. gives a grounded and chill feeling destiny really hasn't had.

[wet jacinth]

the bar is a really nice touch that we should've had in the tower

we used to have the farm area before beyond light and for some reason they took it from us

always went there after an ungodly session of escalation protocol

[uncut holly]

EP is literally one of my best memories

Ppl tend to hate Y1 D2, i goz my best memories from that time

[wet jacinth]

the red war was good apart from that one hard leviathan raid(I ragequitted on the final encounter)

[uncut holly]

Prestige Leviathan was dogshit ngl

[rustic elk]

Fun little hypothetical for anyone

If you were a Lightbearer, what would you want your signature Relic to be? They can clearly take some really interesting and eccentric shapes, so it would be fun to hear what kind of object, weapon or tool you think would represent you or your playstyle!

[karmic zodiac]

@rustic elk a lightsaber. Still be a warlock though

[wide zodiac]

A very nice coin that can come back to me. Light powers that are just what I need in that particular moment

[rustic elk]

How very praxic order of you!

[karmic zodiac]

@rustic elk heart of praxic fire one the best looking exotics on D1... I miss them in d2 lol

[rustic elk]

Interesting, makes me wonder if someone else may have a very nice special coin too? Maybe one that's made of jade and snake shaped 😉

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-drifter-gambit-gif-13640380

[rustic elk]

Very fair haha, the Praxics absolutely have their fits on lock

[karmic zodiac]

@rustic elk ding, ding, ding

[wide zodiac]

I am 70% sure the drifter's fancy coin is just a normal fancy coin

[rustic elk]

Almost certainly, but damn if he doesn't make his use of it look downright supernatural lol

[karmic zodiac]

Void powered lightsaber too. So purple blade haha. What normal weapons would you run? Me an auto rifle and Gjallarhorn

[tawdry tree]

Spiky chains, powered by solar light

[wet jacinth]

literally speaker's sight

or a solar cerberus+1

[fiery otter]

So far the only thing about the game is that there is a speaker but they have no part in the story so far

[karmic zodiac]

Greetings fellow lightbearers and guardians. Who thinks Gwynn is a cat person? I do... mainly because I'm a old goth who has a cat 😹

[wet jacinth]

definitely

void
reaper
goth design

[karmic zodiac]

@wet jacinth who talking about me 😆 think I've got a photo of me in 2010 with full goth look. Only time I can do it is the Halls Between

With the running black liner

[wet jacinth]

dang alright

[hoary willow]

Do you guys think wolf will die at the end of the story?

like sacrifice himself for a greater good or something

[worn zinc]

Probably not since it’s a live service story

[karmic zodiac]

@hoary willow no probably not

[prime cave]

A) there will be no end of story, just end-of-service
B) wolf is the player character, they can't permanently kill them
C) nah

[hoary willow]

Oh ok it’s gonna be like genshin impact and honkai star rail I get it now I actually kinda forget this is a gacha game since I only play with Estela 😅

[karmic zodiac]

I only play as Gwynn.... such fun

[mint acorn]

y'all talking about hours of d2... i have over 20,000 hours and i've only been playing since witch queen 😭

[hoary willow]

Really? I couldn’t tell haha

Damn I remember buying curse of Osiris in d2

[mint acorn]

attal is my mvp tool but also the one that breaks my game the most 🤣