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[bitter estuary]

im getting so lucky with exotic mods…

my 5th armor piercing fallen scope today 💜

[sharp talon]

be the first lumia millionare 🤩

[dusty spire]

Pull during EOS lol

[neat valley]

yeah once the no lifers can grind nonstop with no pinnacle we will see the differnce

[dusty spire]

I’ve seen this happen to someone on a game before just as we hit 4th anniversary

Blam

[empty kettle]

What if the void beekeeper is a titan?

[dusty spire]

Can you up to date me on what this bee keeper is?

At first I thought it was Saladin

[sharp talon]

its jaren taking care of the bees

[dusty spire]

Then I thought it’s arc hunter

I’m confused

Give me Saladin and one of these

[sharp talon]

make all future characters hunters

[fiery musk]

No more Pinnacle Energy? Bold claim.

[sharp talon]

i hate other jumps

[dusty spire]

I’m seeing all these titans on destiny

[empty kettle]

A leak from reddit talking about a new void character that is probably finished by now

[dusty spire]

And they giving me Kabr 2.0

WTH

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/papa-roland-ginkgo-destiny-2-goedulf-cinder-gif-8953508880425814670

https://tenor.com/view/papa-roland-ginkgo-destiny-2-goedulf-cinder-gif-6759698701849308326

[storm scroll]

Give Ning Fei testosterone treatments

[dusty spire]

We missing a void hunter

[empty kettle]

5*?

[dusty spire]

Yeah

[bitter estuary]

why are we hating the cpop idol looking journalist

[dusty spire]

Who’s skipping next banner 😬😅?

[empty kettle]

Depends

[dusty spire]

Did hikora dry anyone up

[sharp talon]

me

[dusty spire]

Be honest

[storm scroll]

Can't wait, even more advantage. They are also changing new lights on boarding an catch up so it shouldn't be too egregious

[fiery musk]

I skipped these last 3. :p

[sharp talon]

am skipping efrideet now

[dusty spire]

Well S4 should start us off with a burst of Lumi

[bitter estuary]

till i decide if i wanna stop my monthly+bp if s4 is wack

[dusty spire]

Gonna be a nice start to a cycle

[sharp talon]

i think it is better to save for t6 than get t0 every char

[storm scroll]

More likely to be warlock imo

[dusty spire]

I’m gonna end up buying regardless:/ it’s that collectors thing

[bitter estuary]

imma get t0 and continue saving up to t6 hh

[dusty spire]

How they gonna sell the monthly subscription

[empty kettle]

Can't wait for the ahamkara and cabal raid

[thorny frost]

For general population possibly. If someone like iron bar/raid first tho getting T0 of every unit it probably more useful.

[storm scroll]

Too much zest. He hopes the bad guys are cute. Jail him

[dusty spire]

What’s the replacement for PE on the monthly sub

[sharp talon]

extra silver would be nice

[storm scroll]

Rising jumps are superior for warlock ks though

[thorny frost]

The item that doubles the rewards? If they allow you to do that all the time would be a time saver

[bitter estuary]

then give him a bf

this is a gacha game

[twilit thistle]

in b4 the ahamkara says "no more pulls"

[dusty spire]

Guess I’m waiting for solar summer for Saladin :/

[rocky nebula]

When does the no pinnacle go in effect?

[sharp talon]

imagine if they end gacha banners in s4

[empty kettle]

S4

[storm scroll]

If you have to choose, sure. Im getting at least a copy of everyone

[dusty spire]

In b4 new weapon banner

[storm scroll]

2 years later you'll still be saving lol

[thorny frost]

The downfall…. Have to watch 2 hours worth of Ads per unit XD

[sharp talon]

i would do that. just afk

[twilit thistle]

😭 the ones on youtube are like 3 hours sometimes, for a single ad.

[thorny frost]

We are watching lord of the rings extend edition as a commercial now

[storm scroll]

No thanks. Enough of that in D2

[empty kettle]

YouTube in the future will likely have 500 ads every 2 minutes

[dusty spire]

How long yall think the reveal gonna be ?

[storm scroll]

Meaning gacha=slop?✍️

[empty kettle]

15-20 min

[bitter estuary]

true

[dusty spire]

Ngl that would be detailed

[storm scroll]

What do you think? Be serious

[bitter estuary]

the slop thickens

[dusty spire]

New area please come with new myth fusion rifles

[magic lichen]

high in protein.

[dusty spire]

So we can unlock more xuan potential

[empty kettle]

Already granted. From the new raid

[dusty spire]

Also I’ve noticed it’s freemium vs premium when it comes to heroes

[sharp talon]

can you wish ahamkaras away?

[dusty spire]

What weapons they use

[storm scroll]

New area doesn't have mythic. New stages will have weapons

[dusty spire]

A lot of freemium weapons are actually making heroes underpowered

[empty kettle]

Gotta be specific

[dusty spire]

Balancing will come through weapons not the heroes themselves

[empty kettle]

They can twist your words

[bitter estuary]

real

[thorny frost]

Wish them away, they travel 10 feel away. Wish them Dead, we see how they survive after their physical bodies turn to bone.

[storm scroll]

?

[dusty spire]

Only a very few freemium exotics are In the S tier

Weapons are what’s making the heroes

[storm scroll]

Such as?

[dusty spire]

Some are so under performing it swindles the hero using

[dusty spire]

Partridge is one

[empty kettle]

If you try to wish away an ahamkara it will probably give you ball cancer as the con

[storm scroll]

Not quite bud

[neat valley]

not on helhest case

[dusty spire]

Maha Oct

[storm scroll]

S tier? Word

[sharp talon]

i mean arbalest is a huge buff to hh already

[dusty spire]

Yes in terms of its bulk damage potential it’s definitely their

[sharp talon]

is there any weapon that comes as close to being as broken ?

[dusty spire]

Anything in the power group that can do x damage in a time period is the current meta

[neat valley]

helhest is jus tbroken

arb on anyone else wouldnt do the same thing

[empty kettle]

Most characters in the game are missing their bread and butter exotics

[dusty spire]

I’m still testing but yeah I see a big difference from my BP and certain freemium compared to the rest

[storm scroll]

Maha is S tier, but its not good enough to make Rossi good? Weapons have to be good yes, but its dependent on kit and weapon mastery synergizing

[dusty spire]

Hence probably the most recent dev changes to a lot of weapons

[dusk socket]

Is the game near to be shut down?

No more pinnacle is a thing(good thing but they are not farming much money with this game)

Or "no pinnacle" is just in the new activity?

[neat valley]

no pinnacle, you will have to spend money to play now

[dusty spire]

They nerfed it as it was to useful for Ning and then in effect slap Rossi down

[magic lichen]

ya. you can go back to bed now.

[neat valley]

jk

[dusty spire]

Like I said a lot of weapon needs adjustments

[surreal berry]

I think there is Information about that... But it never worked... They just Return

[storm scroll]

A great exotic can indeed make a unit more viable.

[dusty spire]

And don’t let long range weapons hit max damage at point blank

Like the fall off for most close ranged weapons

[storm scroll]

Ning was cool in alpha and beta but not close to good. As soon as they gave him a good weapon to synergize he made a jump up

[surreal berry]

What makes a Humaniod a ABSOLUTE UNIT?... POWER and Weapons...

[sharp talon]

we need a better exotic shotgun for jaren

some kind of arby thing for jaren

[neat valley]

bruh

[storm scroll]

It only got pvp changes really

[neat valley]

jaren is already really strong

[surreal berry]

Is the VOID Shotgun NOT good?...

[neat valley]

he doesnt need a buff

[sharp talon]

nope

[surreal berry]

I say Differ

[storm scroll]

That would make him in sane prob

[sharp talon]

octant is buggy and should be fixed at least

[magic lichen]

on it.

[surreal berry]

How Exactly?...

[storm scroll]

Nobody said anything buff. He deserves a solar exotic shotty

Helhest got arbalest and didn't need it what is your point

[thorny frost]

We don’t know the extent of what will happen yet. Removal of pinnacle doesn’t mean EoS tho, all energy systems are are time gates used to extend gaming time through days. There are other means of doing so, typically with craft times/low drop rates that will require more runs to obtain.

Mobile gamers tends to favor shorter play sessions so the energy system can work in general. This is why I am hoping for a hybrid system with increased rewards X amount of times, then grindable rewards after that.

[neat valley]

I mean yeah all characters need more weapons so we can have different elements to switch from

[sharp talon]

if u switch weapons with octant, your stacks disappear

[storm scroll]

Wasn't made for Jaren

[sharp talon]

octant would be much better if that wasnt a thing

[sharp talon]

yes but its good anyway for him as is

[storm scroll]

Right. So let him cook lol

[neat valley]

Just don’t switch

[storm scroll]

Define good

[sharp talon]

its hard for expanse with forced precision shinkas

u have to switch to break them

thus losing stacks

[magic lichen]

"Good" generally describes something favorable, virtuous, or of high quality

[storm scroll]

They should at least have their main element. Coverage should come later

[neat valley]

His primary has solar , he does have his main element

[sharp talon]

i have 3:01 on arc expanse 40 right now

[neat valley]

The last word

[magic lichen]

can you say that again. im close.

[surreal berry]

and there is

[storm scroll]

It's ok. Good is taking it a bit far. You'd have to have arc on artifacts and light linked before it even starts to compete with other build options

[neat valley]

Arb was made for kabr , but it helped out helhest

[magic lichen]

knowledge.

[storm scroll]

You're slow

[neat valley]

Not slow enough if I got #1 expanse

[sharp talon]

with jaren u dont need arc boost on artifacts with octant

its better, but not needed

honestly having too much damage on octant can actually be slower because of stag totem stacking 💀

[storm scroll]

Ning has Maha and riskrunner. You should have access to both an exotic primary and heavy of the element.

[neat valley]

Games been out 7-8 months , everyone’s not going to have every weapon

[storm scroll]

Proud of you bud. I was really trying for that

[surreal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[storm scroll]

You didn't notice me ignoring you the first couple of times? Lol

[empty kettle]

His weapon mastery says otherwise

[surreal berry]

Always Just 1 Exotic equiped

[storm scroll]

Cool, but in the future they should. Good talk

[neat valley]

I know you’re proud of me

😭

[sharp talon]

arer you pushing this arc expanse?

[neat valley]

One more fan to my team I love it

[neat valley]

Yeah I don’t usually grind it until the end tho

[sharp talon]

i wonder how much hh can get on this

on emea, the gap between me and the other hh is huge 🤣

[storm scroll]

There is a very short list of characters who don't have both. What does that tell you bud

[neat valley]

That the game needs more time to release more content

Not rocket science

[storm scroll]

Thought you didn't grind pointless craplol

[neat valley]

I hop for like 30 minutes and get it

That’s not really grinding

[storm scroll]

Lol. They could have just kept prefect.

[surreal berry]

Any FREE to play players here?... and Cleared Current Expanse?... Upto Stage 40?... BOTH Piercing and Blast dmg?...

[stark forge]

yes

[sharp talon]

u definitely can with t0 kabr and t0 ikora

u can clear both sides with wolf as well

[storm scroll]

They also don't need time as the weapon im referring to had existed since alpha FYI.

[indigo solar]

Yes (not this cycle tho)

[sharp talon]

wolf on this arc expanse 40 is really easy. wolf on ikora expanse 40 is semi hard

[neat valley]

If that was the case than we never needed to wait for season 4

[magic lichen]

not even full hard.

aiight i gotta take a shower. yall disgust me.

[surreal berry]

calling it Ikora Exspance?

[sharp talon]

yes it is made for her 🤣

arc expanse can be done with ning, wolf, jaren, hh, kabr etc

[storm scroll]

No sense was made

[neat valley]

It’s hard for you to comprehend I know

[surreal berry]

Ikora is Blast dmg... But for those who missed out on Maru ..

[indigo solar]

Nah it actually is pretty good, the single fire damage stacks up a bunch and TLW isn't that much better for stack building than EFS

[surreal berry]

Those who didn't miss out... Maru is an Option

[sharp talon]

i hate using empty fort honestly

[storm scroll]

I don't care about shooting range meet me in the wild and out dpsmy setup w that and I will pay

[surreal berry]

need more blast dmg or more inpact dmg users.

[sharp talon]

let me rock the last word and octant both 🔥

[storm scroll]

I don't like using last word. But in actual practice it's best to use that and mythic. Obviously ppl can use what they want since most content is cake

[neat valley]

Last word is a cake walk in all content

I can play with my eyes closed

[surreal berry]

I like crimson

[storm scroll]

Also ppl don't even know how to use it somehow lol

If crimson synergized a little better I'd like it more for Jaren. But alas

[neat valley]

It’s funny cause all this stuff is about who kills the same enemies faster , same enemies from 10 years ago too

[hard forge]

Anyone here xuan Wei maxed

[sharp talon]

@red geyser the goat

[thorny frost]

Buff Chaperone for Jaren, only precision shotgun XD

[storm scroll]

Never. Call me when we get mythic white tiger

[neat valley]

Xuan Wei is the ultimate pvper

[indigo solar]

Just use octant and never reload, it'll do 4x damage

[surreal berry]

HONESLTY... I be surpised if Xuan Wei was DEAD last in TEIR along side Legendary Kabr

[storm scroll]

Just buff ot in general. Not even for him specifically

[sharp talon]

xuan wei can clear arc expanse 40 🔥

[bitter estuary]

i haven’t tried it but it might work

[indigo solar]

Xuan is just a cheese character

[bitter estuary]

i’ve only tried attal

[neat valley]

Xuan Wei with crota armor would be insane

[storm scroll]

I understand how it works, but still no for me.

[sharp talon]

the guy i tagged cleared this arc expanse 40 with xuan wei

and octant

[hard forge]

So don’t use jotun? I don’t like that mythic fusion rifle he has at all tbh

[storm scroll]

An insane waste of resources and time lol

[empty kettle]

5* Wolf will probably act like the first 6* character

[sharp talon]

u have to use octant with xuan wei i think

[indigo solar]

Not particularly great at playing as intended, but can OHKO by grappling off ledges, has second-best flight in the game, and yeets in pvp

[stark forge]

jotunn swordbreak combo works fine for xuan

[storm scroll]

When in doubt use the heavy option lol

[stark forge]

but octant if u wanna do expanse

[sharp talon]

make octant c2 actually useful pls

[hard forge]

Is sword breaker better than Thermopylae

[storm scroll]

Imagine me playing pvp in this iteration of the game

[hard forge]

I’ve heard that shotgun was mid , idk for certain tho

[stark forge]

overall better for both xuan and jaren, u save more ammo than thermo

[neat valley]

People have been begging for this change

[hard forge]

Oh okay ok thanks

[storm scroll]

No. It's better for breaking impacts though

[neat valley]

PvP is dead in this game

It’s a joke

[hard forge]

Gotcha thanks

[storm scroll]

Because it's not good. The minute it is you'll see me there

[sharp talon]

i love killing the other team while they're in the menu in iron games 💀

[neat valley]

And you’ll see everyone else too , but I doubt it will change

[stark forge]

pvp just need better incentive to play

[indigo solar]

It is better for Xuan

[indigo solar]

Nah thermo is generally better for Jaren except a few niche uses

[red geyser]

It was an exhilarating fight

[storm scroll]

An actual take from a person who used their brain lol. Love it

[sharp talon]

im mad because theyre removing pinnacle. ima quit in s4

[empty kettle]

Unlike reddit

[sullen depot]

Reddit working on that one braincell

[storm scroll]

It's not going to just be the gacha g****** keeping the game alive. It's still DESTINY

[neat valley]

People played this game because it was destiny not because it’s gacha

[storm scroll]

D rising reddit is full of doomers and crybabies

[storm scroll]

Bingo. I don't normally do gacha at all

[storm scroll]

Fair. Already told him to use octant in that case though

[red geyser]

|| 5*||

[empty kettle]

They should make a special menu for Wolf with this Sentinel thing that could be used to change how he/she works

[thorny frost]

O yea, mostly joking about for Jaren as it feels, besides it being void, built with his skills in mind. Besides a purple shotgun, it is the only one that really has precision damage.

[neat valley]

I’m pretty sure they did give a buff to octant already

Awhile back

[stark forge]

i thought only nerf

[neat valley]

It could have been I don’t remember , all I know is I’ve seen it in the patch notes before

[magic lichen]

xuan wei should be deleted.

[stark forge]

it was nerfed in pvp, pve nothing changes to octant if im right

[neat valley]

Oh yeah Xuan Wei was clapping kids with it

In PvP

[red geyser]

It was a nerf

Only in pvp

[neat valley]

see that’s how powerful Xuan Wei is

They nerfed his only tool

[stark forge]

gwynn used to have a blast with octant back then

[zealous quest]

Hey guys whats happening with pinacle energy? Are they removing it completly or did I get baited by the tweet

[neat valley]

Ahamkara is baiting us

[indigo solar]

Complete removal, no info on how grinding will work afterwards yet

[stark forge]

be prepared for prestige energy

[neat valley]

Pinnacle is actually getting reduced so we have less

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[glad valve]

Just got the Sweet Business from Shifting Gates

[indigo solar]

Yeah there will still be pinnacle rewards, there's just no way to actually get pinnacle anymore lmao

[sharp talon]

finnala bis

[indigo solar]

Basic rewards forever

[empty kettle]

Weekly pinnacle rewards will probably be a thing in this game

[stark forge]

this better make crota mobius farm better

[bitter estuary]

pls

[neat valley]

Nothing more peak than this

[sharp talon]

i think they will remove crota

[bitter estuary]

i am tired of deathsingers

[empty kettle]

Crota will be gone

[bitter estuary]

?

[neat valley]

The game mode

[bitter estuary]

balls

[neat valley]

Yes Netease has us by the balls

[empty kettle]

Getting replaced by a original raid

[indigo solar]

It's not getting replaced

Though hard mode may be removed

[stark forge]

what raid will be copy from old destiny to rising

[indigo solar]

Basic will still be there

[indigo solar]

Original raid

[neat valley]

I want better UI and menu design and layout , going thru all these menus is aids

[surreal berry]

#social-media message
What is your wording content exactly?...

[empty kettle]

I said probably

[rotund raptor]

Good new we wint suffer for exotic mods

[sharp talon]

so people can use reserve pinnacle? that makes sense

[neat valley]

New update for rising , Introducing The Portal

[indigo solar]

This was a joke

[sharp talon]

im kinda confused what they will do with reserve pinnacle

[indigo solar]

Most likely will get glimmer compensation but again, wait for more info before doing anything

[empty kettle]

GOD NO!!!

[stark forge]

just wait for netease to slap prestige energy system instead

[sharp talon]

people will get mad

[neat valley]

Maybe make another shop to use it in ?

[empty kettle]

They shouldn't have spent money on that extra energy

[sharp talon]

i agree and they dont use it

[neat valley]

Bruh they literally give you a notification everytime it resets

They wanted us to buy it

[empty kettle]

Buying it with your own free will btw

[glad valve]

I know someone that has 2K reserve energy

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[neat valley]

That’s me

Lucy has like 3k or something

[glad valve]

I don’t know you

[neat valley]

Nice to meet you

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[magic lichen]

carry me.

[remote grove]

I stopped buying extra energy a long long long time ago

[neat valley]

I’ve been saving it for months

[sharp talon]

we should be able to trade pinnacle energy for xuan wei copies

[glad valve]

I wish I did lol. It’s my friend that has 2K energy

[stark forge]

2k glimmer soon

[glad valve]

And to purchase characters that you don’t have aswel

[remote grove]

Just use it all on chaos before the change

[neat valley]

2k down the drain

[bitter estuary]

balls

2k balls down the drain

[stark forge]

burn it all on morgran now

[sharp talon]

i need one more for the goat

[empty kettle]

Will probably cost like 10k blue pinnacle energy

[glad valve]

Knowing NetEase yes

[magic lichen]

k wait here.

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-nickelodeon-nicktoons-toons-cartoons-gif-14827514

[twilit thistle]

🥺

[neat valley]

Bros cooked

[magic lichen]

not 1 carry.

[remote grove]

Time to spend 10 hours in chaos

[bitter estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/chasing-kids-gif-19644330

[sharp talon]

wait, u can dump it all on gm legendary campaign pretty fast 🤣

[magic lichen]

NOT ONE CARRY

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-mr-krabs-money-gif-1353324759386591928

[twilit thistle]

Just a bottle...

[magic lichen]

true. you got in my bottle.

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-stark-i-dont-feel-so-good-gif-15648236

[neat valley]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-them-mr-krabs-squidward-spongebob-meme-gif-794152241042277714

[twilit thistle]

Think u said that backwards

[empty kettle]

So many piss bottles

[stark forge]

hmm with this u can max like 2 exotic guns and spare a bit on chaos

[magic lichen]

le sigh.

[neat valley]

I don’t think I would want to sit thru chaos spending all that

And what if you don’t have the things to get extra chests

[storm scroll]

We were talking about chaperone

[neat valley]

It will take longer

[sharp talon]

fastest way would prob save the capacitors for gm legendary campaign

[neat valley]

20 per chest

[sharp talon]

80 pinnacle per capacitor

[stark forge]

whoever bought energy must have thousands of capacitor lol

[remote grove]

If they convert it to 60 leaves for 20 energy you will get plenty of draws

[empty kettle]

This is never happening

[neat valley]

He’s dreaming

[storm scroll]

They nerfed any heavy that's worth anything in pvp

[sharp talon]

removes all fomo

[remote grove]

God imagine only having a one week window to draw a new character

[neat valley]

People are selling their personal belongings at that point

[empty kettle]

That would be horrible for us, not for netease

[stark forge]

just dream free t6 bring back 1 char is smol dream

[neat valley]

a whole rent payment in one week

[sharp talon]

now that im thinking about it, wasn't jaren the shortest banner by a few days?

[storm scroll]

You can already farm that without pinnacle

[remote grove]

Yeah, hairkora and kabr were like 1 week too long

[worldly hazel]

are D2 servers down rn

[storm scroll]

You think?

[elder wing]

Wrong server

[worldly hazel]

boohoo

[neat valley]

Good

[severe rose]

Don’t think so

[remote grove]

Can't wait for it to be like a 10% chance for 4 exotic infusion cores per legendary campaign run

[worldly hazel]

They need to be

[neat valley]

They are making space for the marathon servers

[sharp talon]

i think they will make exotic infusion cores very accessible and photons less so

[storm scroll]

You the pinnacle police? Or just lacking funds?

[severe rose]

Wellll no more pinnacle energy wooo 🥳

[empty kettle]

Just saying, especially if the devs are talking about changing the energy system

[storm scroll]

Lol. Ridiculous

[empty kettle]

And I don't spend on a game apart from DLC

[magic lichen]

we're going solar powered now. free energy.

[remote grove]

Wind energy ftw

Also, reported

[storm scroll]

RIP

[glad valve]

They are going find ways for you to spend and I don’t mind tbh

[sharp talon]

they should go crazy with cosmetics

[empty kettle]

They can try but it won't work on me

[glad valve]

Totally agree my Wolf is dry from cosmetics because they are poorly designed at the moment

[glad valve]

It will on me for great stuff. As long it’s great then my money will be spent

[stark forge]

crota skins still nowhere to be seen i dont hope for any other cosmetics addition

[indigo solar]

What can I get with this

[empty kettle]

Ahamkara Wolf skin would go hard

[storm scroll]

Are you judging me?

[remote grove]

They haven't even done a special skin since estella, kinda a big L, I was expecting special skins like every banner or every other banner

[indigo solar]

Hey this is a good thing, it means they didn't throw them into gpt and take the first result

[remote grove]

Maybe. Im still putting my guess that mythic wolf is next

[indigo solar]

Doubt

[empty kettle]

Mythic Wolf better be worth the hype

[sharp talon]

mythic wolf for f2p and efrideet for whales would be awesome

[remote grove]

Or mythic finnala

😅

[glad valve]

Mythic my Attal any day

[stark forge]

mythic bobak

[neat valley]

facts

[remote grove]

Ayoo im with it

[indigo solar]

Needs warping

If he can't tp with his s1 I don't want him

[glad valve]

Hell yeah brother 💯

Her healing is crazy

[sharp talon]

we need a character that can instant transmission into the boss

[remote grove]

Ning fei wasnt enough? Lmao

[sharp talon]

nah man

[neat valley]

Ning fei doesn’t even have to try and he’s fast af

[sharp talon]

yes nerf him

[bitter estuary]

we need another ning fei but hotter idk

need them fanservice to fit the stereotypical gacha game

[glad valve]

I want play as the Taken King

[stark forge]

yes buff hh keep nerfing everyone else

[remote grove]

They nerfed him the Yuri a couple of times and it still didnt work

[neat valley]

Nah don’t nerf , just buff others

[sharp talon]

Ok, give jaren slam

[remote grove]

They cant even powercreep HH without loosing even more players

[glad valve]

No buffs. The characters are strong enough as they are

[neat valley]

They can nerf her weapons , but ability’s would be too much

[surreal berry]

ARE PEOPLE SAYING...
Nerf Jaren Like... ... "Nerf Genji!"
?

[bitter estuary]

jaren needs a new skin idk

[remote grove]

Yeah nerf arby and RC

[obtuse folio]

crota skins when

[stark forge]

new players already leave bc they cant get hh 😭

[remote grove]

Also facts

[sharp talon]

new players are playing the campaign

[surreal berry]

DISAGREE

[remote grove]

Aintnoway

I am with the people that dont like playing HH tho

[stark forge]

u build hh with trinity ghoul ofc u disagree

[glad valve]

I had a guy ask me earlier what do you know about the game.

I told him got to YouTube and watch a beginners guide

[bitter estuary]

new players yearn for hh even if it t0

[neat valley]

Just need my Estella skin

[bitter estuary]

like im so sorry i purposely say “i dont have her built” and send them my 74k attal instead

so it seems like i dont have her

[remote grove]

I had to play HH in contest mode raid. We ran 3 HH even tho there was no piercing shinka on crota encounter. So boring to just stand and stack till its time to dps boss

[bitter estuary]

me too, it was boring as hell but somehow the only way to one phase crota

[remote grove]

AYO

[neat valley]

Instant sellout

[remote grove]

Even at fairplay HH was straight up broken

[neat valley]

Her damage is unmatched

[surreal berry]

https://tenor.com/view/poppet-octoposse-octavio-holostars-yeehaw-gif-5984325935001801970

[bitter estuary]

im so sorry but the gap between hh and all the other piercing characters is insanely wide

[neat valley]

She makes content so easy

[bitter estuary]

true

[surreal berry]

Couldn't find a Gif of the 2 kids Arguing. (from Kuzko Movie)

[neat valley]

Maybe when arc goes away we will see less but who knows

[remote grove]

HH came out to early ngl lol

[stark forge]

helhest will still be there to destroy shinka and boss

[remote grove]

Mythics before her were estella and gywnn and look what she did to them xD

[neat valley]

If she came out now , when Ikora released that could have helped the game maybe

[bitter estuary]

till there’s a new bow with better perks 🥀

for example, the dps gap between parole and simit is insane

[storm scroll]

They did other events instead, like jarens weapons and artifact

[neat valley]

Yeah his special last word skins

[stark forge]

syncopation is a busted perk for any gun

[neat valley]

And you could get different emotes too

[bitter estuary]

true

[storm scroll]

False

[neat valley]

Idk maybe that’s just how gachas are , every character isn’t strong in every gacha right ?

[bitter estuary]

some units really need a full kit rework in order for it to be competitive with the “meta” units

[storm scroll]

They can only change unintended interactions. Cactus need without giving refunds lol

[bitter estuary]

and i’m not even overexaggerating it

[storm scroll]

Damn gacha ppl

[signal spade]

i feel like most gachas dont have you focus on only one character

roster synergy just doesnt exist in this game rn

[storm scroll]

• hide

[bitter estuary]

thats just… hi3rd/genshin anything that requires teambuilding of 3/4 or more units

snowbreak pre-fanservicefication was like d:r iirc

[storm scroll]

The content is just easy lol

[storm scroll]

Mainly boss and shielded enemies. Whoever is breaking the sinks should be able to kill themselves

[storm scroll]

They weren't really endgame viable to begin with.

[thorny frost]

Weapons can be changed I would imagine without any legal consequences, as all are farmable in game and always available (even battle pass even if it is unrealistic). I don’t know about all countries laws so I don’t know if really changing content could legally force refunds, it would definitely cause complaints and people manually refunding tho.

[stark forge]

but like helhest push shinka dmg faster while others clear all the ads around

[storm scroll]

Obviously I'm talking about units not weapons. They can do weekday they like to weapons. People who pay for BP weapons might have something to say though

[storm scroll]

Not every unit is a cc unit

[storm scroll]

Obviously helhest normally targets the highest health enemies

[thorny frost]

I guess I read into unintended interaction to far. If they lowered her power weapon on all the rifles by a little bit it would definitely bring HH down. But there would definitely be complaints, specially for BP weapons like you said.

[storm scroll]

They just need to modify the content and maybe a couple of units get a rework

[stark forge]

scale down her dmg buff and ability is a safer choice, nerfing weapons will make attal and kabr even worse

[storm scroll]

Impossible

They could also come out with powercreep artifacts that don't work for hh

Another gear slot/trinket could also do something. Nerfing units is not an option.

[thorny frost]

They would suffer less, Kabr kit is designed more for primary so he could easily switch over/they could buff his primary. Attal damage is static from her weapon mastery so it wouldn’t see as big of a drop, and if they gave Arablest a bigger debuff it could then help her even if the weapons actual damage was lowered.

[pliant rain]

No more pinnacle energy is HUGE

I told people that Netease was working on this

[twilit thistle]

🤔

[molten pulsar]

Anyone wanna attempt to help with Endless BO on NA?

[magic lichen]

im EU.

[molten pulsar]

Oof

[indigo solar]

This is a myth

They can change whatever they want in a live-service game without offering refunds (at least in the Western world), many companies just don't because the moves typically upset the playerbase

[dusty spire]

And Maru

[golden spade]

I downloaded snowbreak recently before something happened and now it's under maintenance for a while and can't launch it.

I was hoping to get on board it as the gameplay is similar to DR

[bitter estuary]

snowbreak is being infiltrated by the cccp for lewd content essentially, so yeah

so if you play it now it's probably different from before

[dusty spire]

The whole digital item is broken lol

So broken owners getting tiered of the broken carry now lol

But maybe she’s not broken that much

[storm scroll]

Same thing. You'll lose players abs they won't trust you at all

[indigo solar]

Except everyone wants a Helhest nerf, even the Helhest mains

[storm scroll]

No they told us long ago. You are not some no kind of psychic lol

[storm scroll]

Ok

[pliant rain]

Nah some people outside of the space that don't trust netease

[thorny frost]

She honestly has some major checks in her kit…. Just content doesn’t really focus on these yet. Being a weapon unit, really heavily focusing on her power weapons she could be put into check by having game modes that don’t have horde of things to rule her ammo passive as often/give blocks. A change in heavy ammo economy could also balance her out a bit, good HH would learn when to use the bow more but bad HH would run out of ammo fast.

[molten pulsar]

Bruh, one of the people who said he'd help me in game said "too easy." Both proceeded to do worse at defending than me.

[indigo solar]

How'd you know?

[storm scroll]

I have HH fatigue too, but what about those who love her?

She's not getting nerfed get over it

[dry hare]

Is umeko a good alternative when not having HH? Or good in general

[indigo solar]

Good in general but not a substitute

There's really no substitute for having at least one Helhest on a team to generate ammo

[elder wing]

Whoever is asking for char nerf are delulus

[onyx glade]

Is the no pinnacle energy thing in the game right now?

[elder wing]

S4 my friend S4… upcoming S4 aka in 11 days Thursday at 12/13:00 pm should be ON

[onyx glade]

😭❤️

This like the best thing ever

[wide dagger]

I literally have 1k pinnacal energy collecting em from dat event and they deciding to not have it next season

https://tenor.com/view/chibi-doki-shield-bashing-banging-skeleton-shield-gif-4025246970460581132

IRS is taking over this game fr

[dry hare]

My 2.5k blue pinnacle I wonder if there’s gonna be some sort of compensation before removed or do I blow it all now

[vapid vine]

everyone will be dissapointed, never trust an ahamkara!

no more pinnacle energy... what is going to be the incentive to log in daily...🤔

[storm scroll]

Loot, the grind, fun. Lol

[vapid vine]

o snap i opened up a rabbit hole

[dry hare]

Question for some experts of spending $ out there any takers?

[storm scroll]

🤔

[dry hare]

You spent decent on this game?

[storm scroll]

Im on strike currently, but yes

[vapid vine]

i agree, but for some reason im thinking ppl will start to skip days... if there is no incentive that drives them to log in... and eventually player base will drop cause of that... guess we just gonna have to wait and see what they will tell us the 21st

[dry hare]

Well I have 25k ish silver rn and I’m not sure to spend a chunk on like my 10 remaining journeys or save all for S4

[sullen depot]

pple already skip days. thats why they allow pinacle to stack to 360. you can basically play this game every three days

[thorny frost]

Yea in the end we have to wait, but there are ways to still encourage daily log in (or every 3 days in DRing case). They pull a Morgan prey style type system but tie it to increase rewards. Do that for every game mode and you create reason to log on for players who don’t want to spend as long grinding.

[vapid vine]

valid comment

[regal gulch]

No more pinnacle omg what about reserve pin I have 3310 what will happen to it

[dry hare]

I’m in the same boat 🫠

[tawny moon]

Go spend it my man.

[regal gulch]

Nah

It will get converted into luma leafs

[dry hare]

How did you pick Ning fei in the server or any of these roles

[regal gulch]

From an old event thing

[dry hare]

This would be nice, I’d save all mine for sure lol

[regal gulch]

How much you got

If i saved all the ones that I've spent so far I would be like 12k or something

[dry hare]

2.5k atm but I got a ton of silver rn im debating on buying the rest of journey bundles idk

[regal gulch]

We dont know what changes will come hopefully good

[dry hare]

I hope fr

Ngl wish they’d give more $ options this game lacks it pretty bad. You’d think they would want the $

[regal gulch]

True

[twilit thistle]

Its an ahamkara. For all we know pinnacle energy could now just be renamed "energy". Its never what you want lmao.

[dry hare]

Compared to like Diablo immortal for instance a game I play this game is not comparable when it comes to bundles etc

[regal gulch]

But i stopped spending

[regal gulch]

Omg facts

[twilit thistle]

Dont do anything til we know the details, from netease.

[dry hare]

I finished off and bought a ton of silver and just holding off and see what S4 has in store

[regal gulch]

Or we have to now feed him constantly

[dry hare]

Okay bet

[regal gulch]

In order to get anything a pet sim will not be added lol

[remote grove]

If they added resse peanut butter cups to the game id be happy. Or McDonald's

[regal gulch]

Lol

[tawny moon]

RESSE OREO'S

[remote grove]

Or Wendy's spicy nuggies

[twilit thistle]

My biggest concern is that if we just claim rewards now, that would mean chaos is op. Im pretty sure there will also be balancing alongside this change. Im going to hoard pinnacle until I know what to spend it on tbh.

[remote grove]

Yeah definitely wait till you have more info. Worse comes to worse u get some lumia leaves from it or u can spam chaos before its too late

[twilit thistle]

Well it simply breaks too many of the exisitng models is what i mean. Black market would be worthless, sg refactors are useless. Rewards from bulwark useless, expanse is just a hobby. It literally breaks everything unless something changes.

[remote grove]

Whatever happens. Its gunna be a game changer. For better or for worse (im betting for worse but I really hope not

[twilit thistle]

Yea probably gonna be a % based drop or something 😭 im betting for worse.

[remote grove]

Yeah like if they promote even more spamming chaos im definitely gunna not enjoy

Free shifting gates rewards might revive it a little bit. Especially if it becomes the way to farm artifact rerolls

[bold thunder]

Only if enough people start queueing it for you to actually get a game

[remote grove]

Yeah thats what im saying, if u get guaranteed artifact rerolls from it and not from chaos, I guarantee there will be more people in shifting trying to max characters

Tbh their biggest mistake (imo) is the fact that you get artifact rerolls and exotic cores from solo content. It completely kills matchmaking. I dont even think pinnacle was the issue tbh, its just been solo content having all the materials u need

I even told them in player feedback time and time again that chaos and legendary campaign are both braindead and not fun for farming the things u need. I recommended materials coming from raids over and over. But here we are.

[thorny frost]

I would be surprised if chaos gives 1 refractor per chest. My personal guess is going to be 25%-33% chance per chest due to how fast it is. My guess on why it took so long is that they were evaluating how “long” they wanted it to still take players to advance units through a reasonable amount of game play, and based drop rate on that.

[remote grove]

Everyone wants to engage with other players more. You see it in casual chat ingame and in discord. Thats just my opinion though 😀

[tawny moon]

What if they charge for weekly luck boost. Or charge for more items to upgrade characters and exotic weapons. But who knows. We have like 9 ir 10 days to see what happens.

[remote grove]

That just hurts the new players more IMO. Especially ftp

Also , going full PTW will just kill the game even more. Will just come off as desperate in a dying game

[tawny moon]

Ya the 2 free characters we got this season made the new players so miserable.

[remote grove]

T0 kabr and ikora isnt much, tbf lmao

[thorny frost]

I could definitely see a drop boost increase being sold, or if they do the daily increased rate an item that recharges that. I doubt it would be pure P2W but normally players can digest increased farming speed as an advantage for paying well. I could honestly see the blue pinnacle changing into something like that (regular pinnacle being eaten by the Ahamkara).

[oak kettle]

I have been blessed by shifting gates

Rare and elusive solar bow acquired

I can finally turn auto-dismantle legendaries back on

[wide dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-debate-president-presidential-debate-wtf-gif-4127151492472228747

[dusty spire]

I see more trade in for this and trade in for that

[wide dagger]

It gotta be a rage bait

[oak kettle]

I just do not have the mats to spare upgrading arbalest (truth has prio rn) so now I have an option for solar shields for helhest

The power drop is significant, but equally my helhest is almost 76000 power, so that drop just brings me back to around the point where I’d consider a character viable for expanse 40

[shut geyser]

Yo anyone bored rn ?

[remote grove]

Hes so lost

[livid sable]

theyre just gonna rename pinnacle energy arent they

[rotund flame]

That would be funny not going to lie 😂

[livid sable]

you heard it here first

[remote grove]

I honestly wouldnt even be surprised

"You guys hate pinnacle energy?! Fine, here's Lightbearer energy!"

[livid sable]

yall aint heard of LEADERSHIP STAMINA

get ready for these toptier carbs, baybee

[remote grove]

Top ramen

[wraith scaffold]

did I hear that we may get an update where no more pinnacle energy?

[remote grove]

Allegedly.. if you trust a Ahamkara

[wraith scaffold]

If that the case? You know how much that would be really beneficial?

Endless fun!

[remote grove]

Endless chaos runs..

[mossy holly]

There's no way they're removing pinnacle energy-

[wraith scaffold]

This is good change if it’s true and the execution is perfect? I will legit come back to play this game again.

Unless it’s a hoax

[lapis swallow]

Lmfao, they will do playtesting to the players instead, gathering metrics on removal of pinnacle with the same old drop rates, barely existing matchmaking, and items you grind nowadays has barely any new stuff that matters.

[wraith scaffold]

Then.. no.

[wraith scaffold]

literally doesn’t surprise me.

[remote grove]

The execution is definitely a huge huge question mark right now

[lapis swallow]

It's sooo funny, they could've solved that back in August where using pinnacle energy guarantees you the drop of the items listed in any mode just LIKE ANY OTHER GACHA GAME, then revert back to regular odds that we have right now claiming those w/o pinnacle. Then maybe they could've kept their playerbase and revenue by now. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[wraith scaffold]

sound good on paper; but now we gotta wait for March 26th for that to happen. I haven’t played Rising since like 4-5 months ago

[wraith scaffold]

I don’t see any other gacha games that has that beside reaching pity.

[lapis swallow]

Wuthering Waves my guy, Wuthering Waves. We spend waveplates here with guaranteed drops. 😘

[thorny frost]

We have no clue on the actual execution, I would say don’t expect pinnacle drop rate for infinite farming tho. That would make a lot of current systems obsolete as @twilit thistle mentioned earlier. It will be balanced based on how long they believe a unit should take probably. I am just hoping for some form of increased reward system like a daily increased drop per game mode type thing.

[wraith scaffold]

Yeah another genshin copy pasta game. 😭

[lapis swallow]

The only randomized loot in that game are echoes

[lapis swallow]

It's far different from Genshin but okay. It's like calling every open world games Genshin nowadays as they claim they're the pioneers of universe. 🤣🤣🤣

Heck even Arknights Enfield has sanity system you spend for guaranteed resources, not by gambling it

[wraith scaffold]

same gameplay and look absolutely horrendous. Unless you have really strong phone? Sure.

play it for bit and immediately delete my account and game

never again.

[remote grove]

Can't get worse than ff7 ever crisis ( I hope

[lapis swallow]

Sure, where do you see a game where actual enemies fight back, has parry and dodge system, no color matching bs, and needs high level technical play on combos and rotation, also has forte mechanic to activate buffs. Genshit doesn't have that. 🤣

[wraith scaffold]

over 23GB+ of data that is bland as hell. No thanks

[remote grove]

Oh boy here we go

[wraith scaffold]

yeah both are abysmal.

[remote grove]

Someone call the gacha police

[lapis swallow]

It's insulting to the intelligence you call any game a copy without researching the mere difference between the two or any existing games out there you claim it's a copy.

[lapis swallow]

Brother, we are playing a gacha game as well but a looter shooter, albeit in its worse state rn

[wraith scaffold]

ok not my problem. if my opinion hurts? sound like huge waste of time because you won’t convince me otherwise.

[remote grove]

Im not playing xD

[lapis swallow]

It's simple tbh to accept that you're wrong, I guess your ego prevents you to do that 🤣

Nowhere did I say that I should convince you, I'm merely stating FACTS

[wraith scaffold]

nah because why the hell would I care for a game that look bad, same game style that is being copied 4 times. Keep riding that train because it’s won’t make any difference.

[lapis swallow]

I mean, a person with proper intelligence and education can see the difference. You're just dismissive because someone proved you wrong and it hurts your ego.

It's also insulting to say as well Genshin is a copy of Zelda:BOTW when we both know it's not lol

[wraith scaffold]

You didn’t prove nothing to me. Here I am wasting my evening watching this unfold. I have all day and night.

[lapis swallow]

I did prove it, you're just dismissing it as "both games bad huurre duuur, I don't care huuur duuur, I'm not smart enough to care the difference huuurrrr duurrrr, all gacha games bad yada yada yada".

[wraith scaffold]

I’m enjoying this lmao

[lapis swallow]

Enjoying your live roasting? Mr. Dismissive? 🤣🤣🤣

[wraith scaffold]

Enjoying you wasting your time.

Go ahead. Keep defending. I’m eating my popcorn.

[lapis swallow]

Where's to defend when I just stated facts you refuse to put in because you're dismissing it because you can't handle it? That's kinda pathetic for a person trying to waste anyone's time without having critical thinking.

[wraith scaffold]

[lapis swallow]

That's the ego talking my guy when someone proved you wrong, you'll dismiss it for the sake of the argument to not make you look and feel bad. 🤣🤣🤣

[wraith scaffold]

I don’t feel anything whatsoever 🤣

[oak kettle]

I am 50 power on 1 artifact from the max out

After that I shall return to investing my rerolls in a sane fashion

In other news I have completely upgraded the entire roster’s fruit trees

[wraith scaffold]

nicee

[oak kettle]

I could probably reach 76000 today but I don’t feel like running expanse 40 rn

[dry hare]

I just got heirs emblem and it’s so majestic 😭

[dry hare]

🐐

[wraith scaffold]

which one is that again?

[dry hare]

The silver 25k amount cosmetic event thingy I can’t send a pic here

[wraith scaffold]

oh damn… I might’ve missed the event then

[dry hare]

Not event I don’t guess I’d call it it’s still going

[dry hare]

Add me I’ll send pic

[wraith scaffold]

well time to redownload rising and catch up what I’m missing

[dry hare]

I was dedicated to get it this season I think it’s basically $250-$300 for the emblem

[wraith scaffold]

Jesus

[dry hare]

Now I save all this for S4 lol

[wraith scaffold]

what did I missed?? 😭

I haven’t played before Corta Raid returns.

[dry hare]

Then nothing much I don’t think besides ikora 5* and some small thins I believe

[thorny frost]

Pretty sure he is just talking about the purchase bonus event. It isn’t as much it cost that much, but if you spend that much in a season you get it. Quite a way above my spending habits personally XD

[manic steeple]

I heard pinnacle energy will be removed when is that update coming out?
Knowing compensation in games its better to spend it all rn but I have too much reserves
Anyone have a clue?

[magic lichen]

tmr

[cyan tide]

Next season, in 11 days. We don't know what's going to happen to reserve pinnacle yet so wait until the 21st to see if we get a dev blog or something explaining it

[sullen depot]

the master baiter

[manic steeple]

ok thx what channel is dev blogs?

[cyan tide]

#1268046429402697838

[fresh drift]

I just found out about The Division Resurgence coming out on March 31. Isn't DR cooked, like really cooked now?

[neat valley]

Someone was telling me they played the playtests and the devs haven’t changed anything after multiple tests

[dry hare]

Yeah this thing i got it today, sadly top up bonuses do not count towards it so it was a chunk of $ 😭

[elder wing]

Nah lol

[dry hare]

[twilit thistle]

Hodl

[remote grove]

[elder wing]

The question is if AgenFyrous is coming back as he said on the tweet? 🤔

[thorny frost]

#💭│main-chat message

[neat valley]

He was in the chat earlier

[elder wing]

We might see him back ngl

[obtuse chasm]

Still think it’s dumb how 25k was the limit and you only get 3 of the rewards for spending that much, I was at 75k silver

Maybe that’s just me regretting that I got the wolf cosmetics tho and never use him

[thorny frost]

While personally I wouldn’t see problem with them doing it, they might avoid it so they can avoid the stigma of “look how much you need to spend on this game”. Requiring 1k dollar to finish even an optional track causes back lash. 200 dollars when it first came out had people complaining.

[storm scroll]

He'll be back

[thorny frost]

https://tenor.com/view/be-back-will-you-moe-gif-13624942

[humble jacinth]

Watch, the energy removal will be replaced with reduced reward intervals. Few Asian made mmo's / mobile games will let people farm forever.

[finite gazelle]

What the hell are those exotic items I know what the dice do but what on earth are the other two

[cyan tide]

One is currency used to buy cosmetics and some other stuff in the event shop, the other is like the dice but it lets you pick the new attribute

[finite gazelle]

Huh

Too bad you gotta pay a stupid amount to get it

[novel sable]

like 3 months too late to save the game

[storm scroll]

Too bad for you

[storm scroll]

Why are you here?

[dry hare]

😭

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/humpback-whale-whale-onthe12thfloor-stan-twitter-gif-3446111347746334272

Kinda cheap tho ngl

[storm scroll]

Games gotta make money somehow

They don't come out with enough skins and ornaments so...

[magic lichen]

you should get that tattooed on your body.

[twilit thistle]

Hopefully the ahamkara eats the ugly skins and decal system. We certainly gonna need something new 🤞

With no limits on pinnacle it’s gonna be a bunch of clones

[magic lichen]

theyll just remove the decal limit on each cosmetic. win win

[elder wing]

Bruh still here though.. take a nap

[obtuse chasm]

Yeah nah I get what you’re saying but I just don’t think it’s right to have a 200$ event with only really being able to get 2 of the items from the 3 event rewards they give you.

[obtuse chasm]

How does no limit on pinnacle correlate with decals

[obtuse chasm]

Sounds like you need to go get a job

[indigo solar]

Unlimited bright dust

[obtuse chasm]

Is that not a good thing tho?

[finite gazelle]

Better uses for money than a reroll on an artifact just to spend days getting enough essence to roll for attribute score

There are also better forms of ragebait than that

[obtuse chasm]

If you don’t have disposable income sure

The event is no where near that bad

I’m happy to have any new bundles don’t care what they are

[magic lichen]

i roll dice daily.

[storm scroll]

Permanent?

[twilit thistle]

Identical weapons/artifacts/etc

[remote grove]

[dry hare]

💯

[obtuse chasm]

Is that not the current state of the game already anyways 😭

[sullen depot]

Manifesting “no challenger keys or calamity ops limits” on Twitter post tomorrow 🙏🏾

[obtuse chasm]

I feel like challenge keys are valid

Same with calamity pinaccle is the problem

[sullen depot]

If they are removing pinnacle they might as well remove challenger keys as that is limiting how we get weapon mods imo

Unless they do more of what they do with Crota were u can farm weapon mods that way

[sharp talon]

having an attempt limit on calamity is so stupid

[sullen depot]

Agreeed. Sometimes I wanna run to help others out but I’m like welp I’m out of attempts or wait I gotta save these attempts for when I run with my group

[shy sable]

Has something happened to the challenger keys? This is the second week it hasn’t given me the 3 free ones every Monday

[inner sinew]

Yeah, just noticed this as well

[lapis swallow]

Basically for the sake of leaderboards ranking to "balance" it out.

[sullen depot]

Still in na so not sure. My best guess is they are coding behind the scenes which is breaking challenger keys. Challenger keys might not even be there next season so the code behind the scenes is breaking it

[lapis swallow]

Well for the sake of adding bots on every mode possibly, they removed the pinnacle system lol

On one side, bots know how to run modes than randoms

On the negative side, same drop rates as if pinnacle wasn't removed

They can solve it by having first 3 runs of that have guaranteed rewards, the next further runs, back to low drop rates

[sullen depot]

Say that to my wolf bot who didn’t switch to GL to pop the spread shinka lol

Or ikora bot that aims at the single spread shinka dots popping them one by one instead of attacking the spread shinka as a whole to pop multiple at once

[lapis swallow]

Lmfao, you're supposed to run at least the same weapon type of the mode, then the bots do the rest. These bots don't switch to their power weapons on regular runs.

Would be a different story if the bot runs an Ikora lol

[sullen depot]

Yeah I ran a GM strike with an ikora bot and was wondering why spread shinka wasn’t popped already. Then I saw it lol.

[thorny frost]

Weapon mods are farmable in strikes if pinnacle is removed. The only thing challenge mode gives is seasonal upgrade mats, was “free” in regards of not utilizing pinnacle and higher drop rate while utilizing keys. I hope they have higher drop rates per difficulty tho going forward.

[lapis swallow]

Just make the first 3 runs on any mode guaranteed drop per week

Should've done that in the first place

They introduced these problems that resulted to people leaving the game

[thorny frost]

There is a balance of what they were trying to do, not saying they got the balance right. But give stuff out to fast and you lose the carrot on the stick, give stuff to slow and it becomes frustrating.

[lapis swallow]

Imagine you endlessly grinding Leggy Campaign for photon drop with a drop rate of 1.5%

It took me 3 months with the pinnacle system to have a photon drop in one of my runs

[thorny frost]

It will probably be less once pinnacle system is removed, besides maybe something that increases it

[lapis swallow]

That's how bad this game is

[empty kettle]

That's just torture

[lapis swallow]

There's not even a loot pity system that slowly stacks if you don't get the loot drop you need 🥀

[sullen depot]

Oh yeah the biggest question mark I had when this game first game out was artifact drops weren’t guaranteed when u use pinnacle energy

For a gacha game I was like huh??????

[lapis swallow]

It's funny even

[sharp talon]

the system is ridiculous]

[lapis swallow]

It uses pinnacle energy to limit players but you have to gamble it

[sharp talon]

it isnt guaranteed, it isnt even guaranteed to be on ur wish list, then u need the small chance of getting all 4 substats

[lapis swallow]

Other gacha games with similar system have guaranteed drops if they use their own stamina system

[thorny frost]

To be fair most games also didn’t allow you to farm “artifacts” with out the special energy….

[lapis swallow]

At least even though you get random stats, the drop is guaranteed if you use it

[wild edge]

Need a Gwynn to afk while I run actives for attal lore diary need 7 more

[sullen depot]

I mean yeah I get that but if ur using the precious pinnacle energy on it, the percentage should be way way higher at least

[sharp talon]

just my anecdotal experience ive never got anything good from my basic chaos

[lapis swallow]

Heck even guaranteed

They can balanced out the guaranteed drops by having randomized stats

Just like every other gacha game

[thorny frost]

Just pointing out that other games hard lock you on their artifact system. While also requiring that material (in some games) for other upgrade mats too

[sullen depot]

It was just a mess of The drop isn’t guaranteed, the artifacts u pre-choose isnt guaranteed and then all the substats u deal with

[lapis swallow]

You know it's so bad when you can't max out the Exotics you have even within 3 months unless you pay out to buy more tokens or get lucky on Leggy Campaign runs

So many exotics I have rn still stuck from 2 nodes away from max all because photons almost never drops

[empty kettle]

Just buy from BM

[lapis swallow]

Plus you either choose, buy the photon in the black market or buy token to exchange for a copy of the exotic

Mind you the BP Exotics are P2W

[thorny frost]

Maxing out every exotic in three months? Ignoring the fact that other games literally put theirs behind a gacha I am unsure if you could max every top tier weapon in 3 months.

[empty kettle]

Some of the BP exotics aren't that good

[thorny frost]

While farming all the mats to upgrade your units and artifacts

[lapis swallow]

At least those are guaranteed and alternatives exists that are decent. None of those exist in this game.

[sharp talon]

the last three are good last word, arbalest, truth

[lapis swallow]

Count from Devgar Drill

[sharp talon]

yeah i forgot

[sullen depot]

Yeah I wish I could refund my Trinity ghoul bp purchase. But I am a w*ore for that weapon

[lapis swallow]

Heck Helhest's exotic is good even but for PVP only, you just need 1 copy for that

Arbalest still better for overall DPS in PVE

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-laugh-laughing-gif-10107777875102130969

I sure hope that netease does an expansion about project clotho

[sullen depot]

Shiiiii they should bring malfeasance into rising

[thorny frost]

…. Their BIS weapons literally eat up limited resources typically… besides BP weapons which tend to have some alternatives close, you are guaranteed weapon over time in this game (the engram system and slow pity in raids)… you are comparing 2 different systems that both basically time lock you one way or another.

The system for materials could have been better, they did a weird balance between looter shooter and gacha that rubbed a lot of people wrong.

I hate most gachas games weapon system as you basically always have to settle for unoptimal items

[lapis swallow]

Your resources are easily farmable in those games when this one isn't. Need upgrade materials for your weapon? Run their modes where their stamina system guarantees such upgrade materials to level up their signature weapons. DRising does the opposite. BiS weapons are too hard to grind as F2P, you have to pay if you want full access, drop rates for upgrade materials are abysmal you can get stuck for months not having to max out an exotic compared to other gacha games where you can max out the signature within a month.

And they have working alternatives

I could accept this system if only they are similar to D2, where you can run any weapons you want, not locked by characters

[sharp talon]

imagine if they do that for s4 💀

[lapis swallow]

It's disappointing that I have maxed out two signature weapons in Wuthering Waves in less than a month after getting 2 new characters while I'm stuck to a lot of this game where at least 4-5 weapons are not even maxed out

[empty kettle]

Weapon archetypes are locked for a reason

[sullen depot]

Imagine HH with salvo on borealis before arby got released lol

[empty kettle]

Helhest rising

[lapis swallow]

Helhest with Gallows and Arbalest 💀

[thorny frost]

Bis items are unobtainable to a lot of F2P for other gachas…. And it isn’t like this game doesn’t have alternatives either. There are mythic weapons that are fairly useable (debate about EoL and RC, or the Scorching earth Heir/gallows). We also tend to get more weapons than units, which is different from other games if just looking at signature weapons.

Maxing 27 exotics in 6 months when you are comparing to maxing 2 in less then a month would be not really the same comparison.

[lapis swallow]

Arbalest alone can hit Impact ones

[lapis swallow]

Name one open-world RPG gachas that makes BiS signature weapons unobtainable as F2P

You might only be stuck to turn-based gachas

[thorny frost]

#off-topic message Lucy and myself had a conversation on if they did unlock weapon types for all units. The weapon mastery could be a good way to keep the balance while adding variety was part of the conversation.

[thorny frost]

Genshin, specially if you are trying to get the unit. Unobtainable I meant more in a reasonable format. Sure you can spend your limited resources on it, but would that be advised over pulling a new unit?

[lapis swallow]

It's a gacha game....

That only works if this wasn't in the first place

[lapis swallow]

DAWG, even if I hate Hoyo games, even Genshit, their 4 star weapons are decent and usable, the only limiting factor is their pull economy lol. And once they acquire their BiS, their farming materials are obtainable and guaranteed lol

[thorny frost]

It’s a gacha game with out a 50/50 and one gacha type when most gachas have multiple… this ain’t the typical gacha, nor is it is typical looter shooter

[lapis swallow]

It's funny, they made a game where they took out the worse aspect of gacha and the worse aspect of looter shooter lmao

[thorny frost]

And mythic weapons wouldn’t be the comparison? Like seriously there are many debates on if exotics are truly better and it comes down to at times content. Yes you lose some power but you really think mythic weapons aren’t useable?

[twilit thistle]

I mean given marathons erm. Not so good launch. We got a good chance here tbh.

[thorny frost]

Heck mythic weapons are practically free once you get one copy with the engram system XD

[lapis swallow]

That's just defending garbage. You lose power, your total DPS lol. And your excuse is the Mythic system? Even the mobius clusters are too hard to grind to even max them out lol.

Didn't think about that didn't ya?

Exotic mods and their mobius clusters

It's funny defending this game 🤣 when we're supposed to criticize it for it to improve

[thorny frost]

You are comparing it to 4* weapons vs 5* on genshin tho…. This is the comparison you are making.

[lapis swallow]

It's fine if they kept that system, if only every exotic in the game is grindable running modes, not by purchasing the BP

[twilit thistle]

Marathon gonna die when gta6 releases. I mean u can’t play gta6 on a phone. If this game flops, it might be the end of bungie as we know it lol

[sullen depot]

IMO Bp weapons should be added to exotic engram pool but at a much higher cost. Like 100 shards or something

[sharp talon]

thats not much

[lapis swallow]

And yet if we compare it objectively, Genshin's 4 star weapons are better overall in terms of materials and upgrade investment, fact alone their upgrades mats are easier to farm and guaranteed compared to Mythic weapons in DRising lol

[sullen depot]

It’s currently 80 for symmetry and raid weapons

So I think 100 make sense

[lapis swallow]

It is what it is, it's their fault anyways creating problems they can't solve

[thorny frost]

Blatantly just saying “give free stuff and make maxing everything quickly” isn’t going to improve the game. I have posted my gripes here too (end game content needing more variety, BP weapons should be easier to obtain for F2P possibly adding Black market tokens to other game modes to do so), saying that everything needs to have a guaranteed drop is probably not going to happen, specially if we are now talking about endless grind being added.

I will be annoyed if we get unlimited grind but they decrease rates without some form of increased rates being added in (weekly/daily depending on mode) that keeps the minimum amount of the time spent playing similar to now. But I don’t believe for a second asking for 100% drops even weekly would probably happen now. The idea of a slow pity tho could work.

[lapis swallow]

You underestimate player attention levels on gacha games. If they see the system is bad, they will leave the game. Case in point, look at what happened to this game's current state

[thorny frost]

I would need to go back into genshin, which I haven’t played for a while, and see how long it would take me to max all my weapons to… 90?… I think? With farming all drops and crafting those up per tier. I feel the energy system, or drop rates,
Might end up adding up to more than the time I invest into DR.

[lapis swallow]

People want their new stuff built right away to play on different gamemodes, not by waiting for months just to make it good

A lot of stats and multipliers are even locked behind nodes that needs materials with low drop rates

[empty kettle]

Forgetting what franchise that we are currently playing

[sullen depot]

The drip feed franchise

[lapis swallow]

Yet they implemented a bad system, used gacha's stamina system coupled with Destiny's notorious drop rates lmfao

With paywalled exotics

And you wonder why Warframe lasted 13 years until now

Players first, profits second btw

[thorny frost]

Everything is profit in Warframe…. They literally put a price tag on everything….. character slot? O you need platinum for that, want that weapon not a week from now? Platinum to speed up crafting…

Yes they did it in a way digestible, by having the whales pay people to farm for them so everyone can get platinum… but let’s not pretend how much platinum they ask from players just to have basic QoL stuff.

[lapis swallow]

They could make exotics free to grind on engrams, like every exotics, keeping BP with upgrade materials and cosmetics, without the pinnacle system. Either pay money to skip the grind or work for it.

[empty kettle]

Remove trading from warframe and you'll see how different it is

[thorny frost]

Trading is what keeps Warframe profitable and not toxic

Imagine if that was implemented here

[lapis swallow]

Yet you can obtain everything slowly and eventually just by grinding, character slots and weapon slots, free from their free battlepass. You want platinum as a F2P player without spending anything? Just grind and you'll get whales who are lazy to grind buying it from you.

[thorny frost]

Then we have farming for photons for silver, and people could then buy the beginner bundles

[oak kettle]

I just got here, can someone catch me up on the argument rq cus from what I’ve briefly seen Theres decent points on both sides

[lapis swallow]

Warframes embodies the actual looter shooter genre by making both F2P and whales equal, other looter shooters are just cheap copies tbf

[oak kettle]

Which makes it interesting so I want to partake

[twilit thistle]

Marathon isn’t made by netease and isn’t destiny. Marathons death still impacts us. Drising could now potentially irreparably tarnish the destiny ip if EOS happens. Which is great news for us, because it gives us a little bit of hope in a sea of doom posting

[prisma pond]

You cant even guaranty a 4 star drop from genshin and it takes primo to get in the first place, afterwards ascension mats are time gated plus you need to spend bunch of stamina to farm for gold and xp mats which is going to take even more time specially the grind to get a wep from 90 to 100.
In DR you get the wep for free and once you have it you can roll with engrams for right perks, also if you've been playing for a long time you'll have a plethora of them. Level up mats are farmable whenever and you get them passively while doing other activities. Newer wep are timegated yes. But the system as a whole i feel is more fair comparatively.
The only gripe i might have about mythic wep is the exotic mods but that becomes a non issue with time since you'll accumulate mods naturally overtime

[empty kettle]

Forgetting borderlands?

The actual looter-shooter that showers you with loot

[thorny frost]

But that still means they sell everything for profit. You are just spending someone else money typically. The battle pass is new since I stopped playing, so I admit I didn’t know that had character and weapon slots.

Their system is digestible, but in no way is it F2P. They just found a way to have whales hire other people to do their work for them. It isn’t bad, but real world money currency is constantly being removed from their system by spreading it out. (Which I still really think more games should
Implement as it works well for both producer and gamer and I can’t argue against that)

[lapis swallow]

That still doesn't deny the fact that 4 star weapons in Genshin are easily farmable for their upgrade materials over whatever we have in DRising, let's not lie to ourselves. You stated that in your last sentence.

[oak kettle]

I don’t think I’ve needed to even get a single upgrade mat for a mythic weapon since S1, with exception to exotic mods and their upgrade mat, which, as of Crota’s end and especially with pin energy being removed, are infinitely farmable

[sullen depot]

Me feels like in s4 a lot more newer mythic weapons with newer perks will be released. Exotic mod farming restarts

[prisma pond]

Huh? "Farmable" brother should i remind you of the staff of homa incident?
4 star are not guaranteed meaning you can technically dump 1k+$ on a banner and still not get the actual wep how are we even comparing these two jeesus

[lapis swallow]

It is F2P dawg, I literally started all over again to prove that, already on MR7 and already now having 12 weapon slots just grinding alone. Whales are whales because they don't want grinding, while F2P players have all the time in the world to grind for materials that whales can buy while having almost no free time to play.

[bitter estuary]

drising is insufferable

60 mobius for one mythic? not to mention trying to get the right perks for them, on top of low drop rates in crota's end 🥀

[lapis swallow]

Maybe read this above me

[prisma pond]

Not necessarily. If you do gms you get exotic mod packs frequently and if you have those stacked up you can technically farm for newer perks day 1

[lapis swallow]

Let's stop defending the flaws of this game and actually point it out. Toxic positivity won't revive this game back.

[oak kettle]

This game certainly has its flaws but honestly inf pinnacle energy solves like 98% of them. The question is simply is that too little too late or is the current population plus a bit of resurgence from the change enough to coast

[thorny frost]

Trying to sum up as we had a couple debates going on.

Initially it was about how the drop system was bad and artifacts aren’t guaranteed or mats in general in DRing compared to other games. But counter point of how most games also tend to hard gate you through not letting you continue to farm afterwards. It lead into weapon and how it is harder to farm for the mats to upgrade the weapon, again due to rng drops vs other games. But unlike other gacha games the weapon system here isn’t tied as heavily to P2W format (BP weapons being an exception). There is also the fact we tend to get more weapons for other games (currently 27 exotics released in 6? Months).

Now we are in about how the monetization of Warframe makes its more digestible…. Which I would have to go back to see exactly how we got here.

[sullen depot]

Yeah but then that’s if ur lucky to get the right stats for each mod. I remember how many precision mods I went through before I finally got allocation vector or one with good stats to begin with. Also as the mod pool expands the chances of u getting the mod u want also decreases

[lapis swallow]

Unless they do marketing on this game when that alone is barely non-existent. 🤣

[storm scroll]

Beware of the gimme gang

[storm scroll]

Stop calling this gacha

[sullen depot]

Idk why pple expected this issue to be fixed instantly. Pinnacle energy is the basis of the game. Changing that changes the whole game and them taking 4months to fix it ain’t bad imo. From a programming point of view

[tired sleet]

no challenger keys this week?

[prisma pond]

Thats the problem mate. This game has problems YES but instead of pointing out actual major issues people cry about some of the most idiotic stuff which takes the spotlight from what actually matters

[sharp talon]

lol same bug again?

they better give out global lumia compensation 🤣

[lapis swallow]

Eh not really, it's basically them has so many problems they alone create while other games introduce changes after 1 patch, they took months to even address the issues of the game.

[thorny frost]

How much silver have you removed from the system? F2P by having other people buy your stuff isn’t 100% F2P imo (it would
Be like me picking up door dash jobs to buy stuff in game imo). But that might be a personal perspective. If it requires someone else to get the currency then that item wasn’t free… similar to how we would never say using other money doesn’t make you F2P anymore.

[sullen depot]

Yeah this bug makes me think challenger keys are no longer there s4

[prisma pond]

I agree the exotic mods system is too rng atm. The kod pack pre farm is a way alleviate that to some degree but yeah the core issue still remain i hope they do something about that

[twilit thistle]

[lapis swallow]

Literally the only free platinum I have lmfao and I haven't done trading yet. It's F2P when you don't spend real money, you can get the premium items for free and sell it to others without investing real money, whales skip that because they don't want tireless grinding and too much work for progression.

[storm scroll]

Go play the games you actually like, you won't be missed

[thorny frost]

I don’t even think the programming took that long. My bet is it was tied up in board rooms discussing drop rates to figure out how long they want people to grind. If they give to much on release it isn’t like they can nerf it without repercussions now.

[lapis swallow]

Idk what kind of definition you read on F2P that entails you to not be classified by F2P just because some people bought items from you in-game while you didn't spend anything.

[sullen depot]

Oh yeah def that as well. Devs are always held up by the board

[lapis swallow]

That's how this game dies, you're one of the embodiment of toxic positivity. "Oh sure, your criticisms are valid, now leave, we don't want you here", while such criticisms are needed for improvement of the game. Your dismissing the issues which is a lot worse.

[storm scroll]

Bad takes from you is all I see.

[prisma pond]

You gave no criticism mate. You are simply comparing this game to others and saying how inferior it is. Is that considered criticism?

[lapis swallow]

Bad takes or your ego alone can't take criticisms lol

[oak kettle]

Yeah that sounds about right, from the top then:

DRising certainly does feel worse on throughput of effort in to quantity of wanted reward out, but equally as stated you can just keep going in rising, and on top of that for artifacts specifically rising’s systems allow you to level up only decent stuff to start with and then fix the base stats on it later, so nothing is ever truly wasted, which is nice. Inf pin also helps this even more

As for weapons, typical gacha games give a straight and easy levelling path for them, but even getting the weapon you want can be a struggle. DRising on the other hand just gives you any weapon for free and almost all of the levelling is also free. Then the mods have randomness, but are infinitely farmable (esp with inf pin) and once again you can settle for a worse mod than optimal for a time and not waste anything but the mod itself (which can be dismantled off of the weapon after afaik). Battle pass weapons are battle pass weapons tho, agreed there

No comment on the warframe stuff, average argument that spirals way off course moment

[storm scroll]

You're just annoying with the nonsense. I'm not hurt at all.

[lapis swallow]

That's literally pointing out the flaws of the game, and that's criticism. One game of the same genre does better implement of their game, the other foolishly implements the bad aspect of that genre and does nothing to address it for months.

[storm scroll]

Someone buy this guy a ticket out of here

[lapis swallow]

Someone is annoyed that his favorite game is being criticized

[prisma pond]

Also why are we even comparing warframe to this? Apple and oranges.
Just because this game has loot drop you compare it to warframe? The compare mario to warframe too since if you bump your head on a rock you get the murshroom as a loot drop smh

[lapis swallow]

Warframe and DRising are looter shooters my guy, how tf Mario comes into this when it's a platformer lmfao

[twilit thistle]

A rare insider view of the team behind drising

[storm scroll]

You're trying to reason with a non smart person. Pointless endeavor

[prisma pond]

Okay lets hear it what are your criticism? Point 'em out to me one by one lets see

[empty kettle]

How did warframe even get classified as a looter-shooter?

[prisma pond]

Warframe is not a gatcha game bruv. Why are people keep forgetting that this game is a gatcha game. And whatever limitation are there in loot its there as a part of design

[thorny frost]

It is needed to a degree, they need to find the balance between keeping people engaged and making it feel like players time is being valued. We will always eat through content in one way or another so the question is if they are doing it right. Obviously the community didn’t like the time gate of limiting resources by energy (and drop rates at the same time) so now they have to probably look at day sheets to see how much people will farm in x amount of time and how much play time is normally done in a day.

[thorny frost]

As the AI dev, they be working extra hard

[storm scroll]

Here comes another word salad filled with nothing

[oak kettle]

I swear theres a system in iron commander Thats perfect for this but also just doesn’t work

[prisma pond]

I just hope it doesnt turn out like DnA where yes they've removed stamina but at the cost of low drop rates and it takes literally days if not week to fully gear a new char

[oak kettle]

That whole +20% drops thing Thats supposed to go down to like -20% or something if you run commander on one activity too much but I’ve put like 12 commander things into blitz on one day and it was always +20%

[lapis swallow]

Pinnacle system where they copied it from gachas stamina system where those gachas have guaranteed drop rates on the loot while in DRising you have to gamble it
Matchmaking is nonexistent due to the progression system that didn't capture the players retention span
Better exotic weapons are locked behind paywall
Maxing weapons alone basically rely on low drop rates in exchange of pinnacle
PVP modes are so dead because of unbalanced characters
PVE modes are only dominated by select few characters or heck, even Helhest alone for jack of all trades.
Even the current AI bots you matchmake doesn't guarantee a successful run on GM because they don't use their power weapons - a bandaid solution for dead matchmaking

[oak kettle]

Just do that but have it actually work on like everything; you play a little in a day and you get a little above the base rewards at present, play a moderate amount and you get what you’d expect, play an unhealthy amount and you get less than average per run, but not to the point where it feels worthless

[sullen depot]

Oh yeah I totally agree with u. It’s just for all the pple that were like oh this is “4 months too late” like they expected it to be fixed instantly

[oak kettle]

And it resets daily, would make it a good incentive to not grind everything immediately with inf pin energy and spread it out, keep player counts high

[lapis swallow]

The only aspect of gacha in DRising is the characters lol. That's only it, just gambling if you can get the character or not, remove the gacha, this is just an abomination of D1 and D2 combined.

[thorny frost]

Yea I am easily side tracked which doesn’t help me always make my points. I don’t think there is a set answer tho too, I do get the idea of the feeling of pinnacle being wasted compared to other games, but it also seems… easier? To have at least the bare minimum. Even mythic mods aren’t “bad” specially if you are stuck on 3/4 exotic. 3/3 mythic ends up being basically the same at the start. Heck my advice for new players is get 2 exotics artifacts and 2 mythic just to pass the 1,440 threshold to start.

Depending on the rate of endless farm will really determine how this goes. Exotic mods being dropped from strikes will help mobius issues, heck if you can get it from bulwarks you can semi afk farm then too.

[storm scroll]

They literally made a post saying no major changes until March lol. Ppl can't read

[thorny frost]

Yep, that has been a large part of my hope/point today. If they just drop down the rates to be good for endless farm retention, without also giving a “value for your time option” it is going to be frustrating. I am hoping for daily increased reward drops that is similar to the current pinnacle drop rates at least.

Edit: per game mode.

[sullen depot]

Doomers always doom

[storm scroll]

Sitting here crying and speculating instead of seeing what they do next week. Feel free to cry after that

[oak kettle]

Mhm. Just take the weekly clear reward thing from Crota and make a daily one for each activity with like at least 2 pulls a day

Honestly 1 would be fine

[storm scroll]

Real

[empty kettle]

The stamina system won't really exist in this game, but could be replaced by weekly rewards

[thorny frost]

I was thinking more like Morgans Prey. You get X amount of increased rewards per day and it can buildup for 3 days. I would say enough that you can at least do one run with capacitor of increased drops per day, maybe 2 for Chaos.

[oak kettle]

Yeah that sounds good

That way you don’t feel obligated to do everything everyday

[sullen depot]

This is what I think willl happen but will have to wait and see

[prisma pond]

1. Give example for pinnacle.
2. MM being ded is an issue i agree
3. Bp exotics are not locked they are hard to obtain there is a clear distinction.
   Would i have prefered it be otherwise? Yes. Absolutely. But thats just one way for them to earn money atm. I would've loved if they've added a skin in it and remove the wep incentive completely.
4. Rip pvp
5. That is to be expected from a gatcha game newer char is going to powercreep older char that is the norm and you've expected as such if you've played any gatchas un the past.
6. AI being dumb i seriously dont see that much of an issue just an annoyance at best

[bitter estuary]

true, i fear all gacha games end up like this which is wack

unless they’re too big to fail like arknights endfield

[thorny frost]

Yes we are definitely in a wait and see, I voice the thoughts now as to maybe… for one curb expectation that drop rates will be the same as current drop rates with pinnacles. And second you can basically bet that the devs are observing the chaos, and with 2 weeks might be able to modify (maybe not implement the exact idea) to get similar results.

[bitter estuary]

sorry i had to bring that dumpster fire up, ake genuinely is at a worse state than d:R

[lapis swallow]

AKE might still able to salvage themselves, at least they solved a lot of issues in 1.1, the only problem is their pull system.

I mean that works, the game barely has timed end-game

[prisma pond]

Arknight has some hardcore playerbase behind it where they'll support it through thick and thin no matter what they do tbh

[lapis swallow]

AKE gacha system works for now since you can still use your units since you just do damage sponging the end-game modes, there's no timer anyways.

[sullen depot]

If they bring malfeasance hand cannon into rising imma glaze rising no matter how EoS it looks 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

[bitter estuary]

true, but 1.1 map is so vertical i fear moving forward it’d be like it, also the fact that they make resourcess scarce on purpose and there’s no way to automate shipping resources between the aic in v4 to wuling because you’d still run into shortage due to wuling only having 1 vein just wack

[empty kettle]

500 dead clotho members for a single gun, coming up

[bitter estuary]

they’re argument is always “atleast umbral has mechanics where wuwa and genshin dont” yeah but the rest of the game is a mess still

[lapis swallow]

I mean it's a gacha Factorio anyways. Main point of the game is the factory grinding and maintenance, not the combat events.

[bitter estuary]

true, so that you can grind 1000 copies of one gear to max out one gear

[thorny frost]

I don’t know if they have 500 left XD I think they have only 200 lightbearers about.

[lapis swallow]

And crash the market of your friends 🤣

[empty kettle]

They better get back to work then

[bitter estuary]

and give the same clue no.7 in dijiang

[thorny frost]

They need to wait for the electricity to be allocated back to them. Mandatory breaks, such a waste.

[empty kettle]

Pathetic timeline that lost their own champion

[prisma pond]

I actually reinstalled endfield this weekend to check whats new. Looks like they did do a couple of good changes but 3 of the major issue which made me quit was still there.

1. Gatcha not having pity
2. Horrid stamina system (regenarates too slow)
3. Endgame pull economy

[lapis swallow]

Tbf, the game looks good on Unity I give them that, and runs well both mobile and PC, albeit some little issues on CPU memory leak which was solved by now, WuWa struggling on both platforms tbh, devs not optimizing the main issues, like GPU doing all the work rather than delegating tasks on CPU etc. Only playable in high-end devices.

[thorny frost]

Gacha without pity in 2026?

[bitter estuary]

umbral monument is amazing, the entirety of the game is a slogfest

[prisma pond]

I see i'll give it a try next i was just focused on clearing the story for now

[sullen depot]

Shiiiiii imagine hawk moon on Jaren

[thorny frost]

They will probably come begging us to come save them after loaning us weapons

[bitter estuary]

my issue is that, unlike arknights og

none of the limited characters are going into the standard banner

[lapis swallow]

Truly Hypergreed moment

[bitter estuary]

also pull economy is slightly better there afaik, based on my friends expxerience

[empty kettle]

They should give us info on what happened to their timeline specifically that lead to the last city's destruction

[storm scroll]

Can I get a solar heavy exotic first please? I don't need more primaries

[thorny frost]

It is just surprising to that a gacha doesn’t have some form of pity now… I expected that back in 2015 or something (FFBE) but it is basically the staple in “hey look we aren’t truly a Casino” in gachas

[lapis swallow]

The expiring pulls and little rewards irks me from maining that game. With their convoluted gacha system that winning a 50-50 early means so bad, and have barely left for weapon pulls.

[bitter estuary]

half of the character stories is literally “gryphGPT generate me an over the top fanservice character so people can defend the game for their lives and whale on said banner”

[prisma pond]

Ikr? But then again having a pc port in this day and age is also expected but look at out DR xD

[bitter estuary]

i love wolfgard and surtr/laevatain but what the hell was yvonne/gilberta

[storm scroll]

Is this still D Rising chat? Lol

[prisma pond]

You like the flirlly skirt of laevatain? The victorian era dress wannabe?

[lapis swallow]

Tbf, idk if there's even a meta in this game anyways to push players pulling for more despite the bad gacha system. Other than that, pulling for premium characters is basically for showcasing and fan service.

[storm scroll]

Not allowed buddy

[bitter estuary]

tbh i have less of an issue with the gacha but i do have more of an issue with some of the writing, story goes well halfway and falls apart on the other half, which sucks because i have to get through the map in order to get new gear which i can use to build new characters, but holy crap i think i might quit because they just pulled a genshin except worse

tang tang has the aoe coverage of laevatain but has better burst dps than last rite which is absurd

[thorny frost]

Maybe if Rising last long enough the nine might send us there or they might bring us there. Timelines seem to be more fluid in our world (supposedly Ikora talked to herself? I missed that if it was in the main story or haven’t read the lore tab on that yet).

[lapis swallow]

Gacha stories are hit or miss tbh, depends if players like it or not. Can't say much since it's preference.

[bitter estuary]

atleast for 1.1 ||half of it is tang tang character story quest, half of it is actually the story||

[empty kettle]

Wolf meeting his more experienced self in a different timeline, might awaken something