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[naive ingot]

The files are in the game. And access it via Haven.

[short locust]

Jolder too if her taunt was reworked to be always on as long as she had OS. Put in an internal CD on OS Gen to balance her but imagine her taking all the aggro, and and staggering anyone nearby periodically

An actual tank character that fits her sword/smg style

DPS shouldn't be free either. You should have simple abilities with various uses, and your job is deciding which use is best for the situation

I just roll my eyes when buffs or mechanics are just do % more damage, it's lazy, it's boring, it's unimaginative

[empty kettle]

They simplified the artifact system way to much

[bitter estuary]

it's the same old copy+paste gacha game mechanics yeah

[karmic chasm]

Artifacts are dumb

Give me armor pieces with stats

[short locust]

I think both systems are bad

[karmic chasm]

This is just a gacha the same as any other disguised as a destiny looter shooter

But it only drops blue loot

[short locust]

Armor requires Dev time for art, artifacts are a grind loop. Just gimme small skill trees to tweak how a base kit works

[simple plank]

It’s ok guys we’ll get Mida Multi Tool in Marathon

[empty kettle]

Skill trees sounds better tbh

[karmic chasm]

I lowkey hate skill trees but that’s extreme personal preference

[sharp talon]

same

[dusty spire]

I think we will get additional end game updates that will
Also allow us to upgrade arts further with more optimal options

[short locust]

It blows my mind how to try a new build I have to slave away in RNG hell for artifacts

Experimentation? Not around here

[dusty spire]

This I’ve given almost up on

[simple plank]

I personally have a surplus of exotic arty boxes

I only build titans tho

[sharp talon]

even with those its unlikely u get a god roll i think

[dusty spire]

Like wise 🙂 but I do build my pool. I just focus more on titans

[short locust]

Most trees are just boring Stat bumps. But if you had barebones base kits and your tree added effects like 2 charges, confine, pull, bonus weapon mastery stacks, etc it would be infinitely more interesting than you're imagining

[simple plank]

If next banner isn’t a Titan I may dump resources into Xuan for recreation

[karmic chasm]

Honestly I don’t blame you

[dusty spire]

:/

[empty kettle]

Alpha version of the games artifacts

[simple plank]

I did recently build Jolder’s Partridge and arc SMG

[dusty spire]

It will go back here some way

[simple plank]

So now I have her huck void loadout and her partridge loadout

Only had to make one new artifact

[dusty spire]

But this annoys me I won’t be using pinnacle :/ for fruits ok I get it but all my heroes are maxed glide.

So now I’d just be accumulating excess :/

[empty kettle]

IF we even reach that point

[dusty spire]

2 weeks no 4/4 lol

Constant 3s lol like they want me to buy rng rerolls 😂

[short locust]

They do

[karmic chasm]

Lore accurate Kabr

[bitter estuary]

where's the vex milk

[simple plank]

Slander

Propaganda

[empty kettle]

The alpha had seasonal artifacts that can change somethings

[dusty spire]

If they do not get this right and it becomes another tower defence broken wave based shooter mode that can done with 3 HH and ignores all other functionally of hero kits…..

[sharp talon]

its a very temporary event tho

[dusty spire]

Harsh environment could make a massive change to how we play

[empty kettle]

The game will be cooked if this new mode isn't good

[dusty spire]

Like a time period where the environment gets like hot so you get DOT meaning you need support heals

To survive

I wanna see that all styles are used like they are insinuating, with the need to use

Combat and survival

I’d be annoyed if Rossi is NOT a viable option too!

No no no no nooooooo

😩

[gusty bridge]

You got him at t6 already? Im waiting for Kabr to go on perma, use my mythic choice and buy the crystal on fortuna

[true mauve]

Thats probably the season4 teaser lol
"Major system update"

[sharp talon]

i dont think so didnt they rewrite the artifact system to move away from the alpha thing?

[empty kettle]

The seasonal artifacts have more impact

[true mauve]

They rewrote Kabr from alpha then gave us alpha Kabr anyways, thats why we got 2

[sharp talon]

oh this is alpha kabr?

[true mauve]

He has scout

[indigo solar]

It's permanent

[empty kettle]

It was also an artifact grind

[true mauve]

They are using up any already made assets, slow releasing them, then announcing EoS. Main focus on QoL and bug fixes to keep us happy

[sharp talon]

it says it ends on 2/12 tho?

[sly hornet]

What are the best lightbearers atm?

[empty kettle]

Helhest, jaren and maru

[true mauve]

Best Rapid Fire - Ning
Best Piercing - Helhest
Best Spread - Maru/Ikora
Best Impact - Jaren

They are the best from all 3 elements also

[sly hornet]

Crud, i dont have any of em i think

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[sharp talon]

or is it gonna be like morgran hunt and reprise every month?

[sly hornet]

I do have ning and ikora

[true mauve]

Jaren was a 4star bumped to 5star, and we havnt had a 4star release in ages...

[indigo solar]

That's just bc that's when act 1 ends

[sharp talon]

oh ok

[true mauve]

Focus Ning, Ikora is niche Spread only

[indigo solar]

It will most likely have rotating modifiers

[sly hornet]

Ye i been focusing ning since i got him a while ago, i got spooned

Got him very early on

[true mauve]

Whats spooned mean?

[sly hornet]

Its a term from another game i play, means i got the rare thing way before what it shoulda been

For example if i get a 1/100 on the 10th try it would be called a spooned drop

Im so used to using it i forgot only people from that game knows what it means lol

[true mauve]

Yeah Ning is sweet

[sly hornet]

I would post screnshot from the chars i have but the server wont let me

[sharp talon]

is cracking reaction bad? it says the niaantiks with it has about 1k more dps than the one with spinosaurus in the menu

[karmic chasm]

Cracking?

[sly hornet]

It might be good for shotguns but im not so sure for fusion rifles

[karmic chasm]

That might be the best perk name

[sly hornet]

I have ning and kabr as my 5 stars

And i have all the 4 stars

[sharp talon]

it seems spinosaurus does more damage but it doesnt reflect it on the menu

[simple plank]

What kind of reaction???

I didn’t know Xuan Wei was like that

[indigo solar]

It's a 23% damage boost, the mag cap boost is only really useful on Xuan since the other chars can instant reload through their entire reserves

[bitter estuary]

imma use it on xuan then LMAO

what would the bis 3rd perk be?

the recommended one?

[naive ingot]

Chat more and level up

[dusty spire]

Not yet now T2 :/ could T6 with crystals but I don’t like him lol

[dusty spire]

Works well if you really want make sure base/elites go down lol that’s all that weapon grade is worthy of. Base creep execution lol

[sly hornet]

Oh, i shoulda figured it was that

[molten pulsar]

What loadouts are working for the garbage tower defense mode?

[silent grail]

Gauntlet blitz is the first raid right?

I think I just unlocked it but I haven't raided in ages (in d2, never in d:rising) so I'm a bit rusty and need to know what to prepare for

[molten pulsar]

Kinda? It's weird... It's closer to the 6 person arena modes

[silent grail]

Follow up question, if I match make for it, is it necessary for me to use team chat

I do not wanna get called slurs today so I'd rather not lol

[thorny frost]

Hoof/anethesia/Muqam are typical picks to get to 15 the other ones can vary a little but like acute and otter are good buffs too. If you can keep the mobs out and power up the main towers quick enough you can probably drop Muqam too.

[molten pulsar]

Still don't have Hoof

[thorny frost]

I would need to go and do some more testing then, as hoof does double duty with handling mechanics and huffs while also providing decent damage to weaker mobs. Acute can handle the invis mobs today on solo endless.

[naive ingot]

No, don't worry about Comms for Gauntlet Blitz

[thorny frost]

Regular Blitz is pretty simple and never need to really talk beyond learning the mechanics for the first time (if you are paired with bots they handle a lot of mechanics too, and regular blitz is easy that most seasoned players just do the mechanics quickly). Onslaught/crota have more mechanics and would be good to check a quick guide on if it is your first time, but they are still pretty strait forward. I haven’t used the chat system for most of my games I have played.

[silent grail]

Noted, thank yall

[karmic chasm]

Who’s doing allat

[true mauve]

Archers Tempo may actually be good and Rossi may actually be him

Oh and Saizo seems to be > Mahama because I can hipfire

Synco too nerfed to rely on, fire rush+eager aspirant better

[karmic chasm]

For PvP that would make a lot of sense

[karmic chasm]

That’s why I’ve been building it 😎
And you mean for PvP right

[echo horizon]

Yo, for jaren, is swordbreaker a better shotgun for him than thermo?

[karmic chasm]

No

[echo horizon]

Is swordbreaker even good

[karmic chasm]

No

[graceful pelican]

Swordbreaker is not bad in calamity

[twilit thistle]

Why arent you running rossi alongside corndog? smh

[karmic chasm]

We have bro, dw 😎

But lowkey he’s way better at pvp in general, Rossi or not

I’m sliding my thumbs on glass and praying my arrow flies true

[graceful pelican]

For jaren specifically though beside building stag a bit slower. It is better overall compare to thermo

[twilit thistle]

I did it on touch. I had a rugged case, that was metal and blocked my ability to properly slide. The touch with that case was horrible, half the time it didn't even respond. @indigo solar is also on touch.

[karmic chasm]

Yea I know, I think I’ve played against him in Codm. He’s cracked beyond belief

I wasn’t half bad, maxed my rank

[sharp talon]

holy moly 451k

[karmic chasm]

But eh

[karmic chasm]

You did what

[sharp talon]

we got 451k on calamity 😄

[karmic chasm]

Holy smokes

I didn’t know you were like that bro

[twilit thistle]

🤔 I was ranked #18 in sg, because there were only a few players that I could not beat. I recommend adjusting settings.

[karmic chasm]

I maxed my fov

Helped some

[twilit thistle]

cough @indigo solar cough

[twilit thistle]

did u turn the aim assist for touch to max?

[karmic chasm]

I think it’s at max. Is that good?

[tropic swift]

The Results of my opening is complete..

[echo horizon]

For jarens last two artifacts im guessing having weapons, ability, solar and signature attributes are best?

[karmic chasm]

Oops it’s all angler tokens

[true mauve]

Bow isnt fun on touch

[tropic swift]

I got 1 Bon Voyage Charm, 40 Lumia Leaves & the rest in Angler Tokens 🥲

[karmic chasm]

Yea believe so

[twilit thistle]

yea, it pretty much does all the aiming for u lol. Layout changes are also nessicary. The default is horrible, but dont do what I did. I couldnt slide half the time

[karmic chasm]

It shouldn’t be, but for me it is. I can flick it well in PvE, but those targets barely move. PvP is a different story unfortunately

[true mauve]

Hard to hit a moving target on bow, cant imagine touch. How does autofire even work with it?

[echo horizon]

Ight, I FINALLY got a good second to last artifact, just gotta get that little thing to switch my super attribute to signature and both my last artifacts will be complete

[karmic chasm]

I never changed my layout in codm except for prone button

[karmic chasm]

I think I have super still which is an issue lol

[twilit thistle]

autofire=aimbot. Though as taniks said 😭 it wont work for sniper rifles like agail bc the dmg is nerfed. It will leave a little bit of health

[bold thunder]

I mean hey, 50 more of those and you can get a copy of jolder

[karmic chasm]

I be doing the most to make Rossi work bro 😭
It’s not comfy

[echo horizon]

Yeah, my first artifact isnt even jarens, its abundant plantesimal which was the only one with matching attributes to my second

[true mauve]

I wouldnt play him on touch if I was a touch player lol

[karmic chasm]

I’m maining the least optimal character for mobile on a mobile device. On top of that, he’s just mid overall 😎

[twilit thistle]

the auto fire is so cracked it targeted severay once, using izi, and shot him the exact millisecond he spawned in.

[karmic chasm]

I like handicapping myself it seems (Dark Souls player here)

[tropic swift]

Thats literally the 1st Charm i've gotten from those 😂
I expected more Lumia tbh.

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/lower-expectations-your-bo-burnham-gif-21704561

[echo horizon]

Does ring of conversion work on jaren or is healing perturbation just the best one for him

[karmic chasm]

I use all perturbation artis except slot one

Danielle told me to use something else and I just listened idk

I’m not a free thinker

[true mauve]

He cant overheal so conversion is bad

[echo horizon]

What do you use for slot one

[graceful pelican]

It doesnt

[echo horizon]

Ight just making sure

[true mauve]

Np, happy to answer

[karmic chasm]

My Jaren is also not that strong at all. I have him built as a backup when pub Jarens suck absolutely buns. Which happens pretty often.

[echo horizon]

You dont have a good build for him then cause mine is my second best character and he is one of my best characters

Survives and does the most damage out of majority of the groups I play with

[karmic chasm]

Like to help a guy in calamity two days ago- I was forced to play Jaren bc the ones we kept running into refused to break shinkas in any room

[true mauve]

Slot 1 perturbation also works

[karmic chasm]

I have him at T1 72k only. Somehow still put on more of a show than them

[graceful pelican]

Slot one is pretty flexible, most of the time it pertubation or unrelenting subgrav

[true mauve]

Ability, Wpn, Solar, Sig substats

Ability wpn solar super also works depends on content

[graceful pelican]

I likes pertubation abit better than conjunction, just cause the dr last afterward

[karmic chasm]

Holy shiiii

[echo horizon]

The first one I wish I could change but its the only one that matches my seconds atteibutes

[echo horizon]

This isnt even my best characters

[karmic chasm]

The only two mythics I would have liked to t6 would be Helhest and Jaren.

Unfortunately they are both T1

[true mauve]

Slot4 requires your blind to hit an enemy within 20m to work. Veil is better it just requires movement ability. Slot1 needs some dmg resistance

[echo horizon]

Lemme see if I have it cause if so then we gone do some WORK

[true mauve]

Lowkey I been using Kabrs new Plasma in my slot2. Precision Expanse 40 been rough 😭

Requires recovery substat though

[echo horizon]

This is my best character

[karmic chasm]

I don’t really intentionally t6 anyone (except Rossi)

Here’s my artifact setup anyway

[echo horizon]

I have like majority of my characters t6 except for a select few

[graceful pelican]

Quite interesting, how is it?

[karmic chasm]

I greatly enjoy Jaren, but he’s weaker at T1 than I’d like him to be. I still pull up when I run him though. No slacking allowed

[true mauve]

I can take a shinka sniper and not die 1shot

In expanse 40

[graceful pelican]

Ey, thats pretty good

[twilit thistle]

Luckily jaren is on the way out, and ning is coming back in. HH is too easy. RC needs nerfed. I was getting to a point that I wouldn't miss with RC. I mean im good but im not that good on mnk. As long as there is something in front of it, it seemed to be critting.

[echo horizon]

Having all kaburs artifacts are amazing especially when you have the right attributes, I have all good ones and oh boy he does so much

[true mauve]

HH wpn mastery increases the auto precision area on LFR iirc

[karmic chasm]

Yea it’s a point and delete gun. Trust me, I only have her T1 and the numbers I was throwing up in calamity were ridiculous. Tier for tier she’s the best character every single time.

[graceful pelican]

Yea, i just wish his artifact is a bit more versatile though

[true mauve]

He is too well balanced at T6 between ability and weapon dmg. Pre T6 you built for weapons. Makes it hard because you NEED his sig ability burst but also need the good numbers on your shotty

Bellicose veil slot3 feels good until your first wpn shot lol then it hurts

I need sig substat for room clear time, I have super instead

[graceful pelican]

Yea, right now i just shoehorn my Ning relic on him and call it a day lol

[twilit thistle]

😭 can umeko get a buff

[true mauve]

It seems to work though lol 🤣

[graceful pelican]

It sure does

[true mauve]

Lock on

[karmic chasm]

Agreed tbh. I find her really hard to use, but I also just suck at single target dps characters

[twilit thistle]

not an issue tho for other weapons, just rc.

[karmic chasm]

“Additionally” should immediately give us a hint that she’s broken 🥀

[true mauve]

You being like #1 Cal Ops player, can you tell me if this is a sin?

[karmic chasm]

“Additionally, she’s the single most overpowered character in the game”

[true mauve]

Instead of making Overclocked shot last longer, they doubled the speed on her LFR and Bow shots LOL

[graceful pelican]

Man i dont even have helhest on my account so i cant judge you for that

[true mauve]

That makes you the goat

If her overclocked lasted 50% longer instead of making charge time and draw time 50% shorter... she wouldnt be so broke

Her dps would cut in half dang near

[twilit thistle]

ye bc hellhest. I dont even think a single nerf would fix it tbh an entire rework would be needed.

[true mauve]

That buff is where all her crazy burst is coming from. Waiting for next support who makes whole fireteams fire rate increase

If everyone had double fire rate for 6 seconds they'd tie or beat HH. Fire Rate shouldnt effect Bows or LFR either so wont boost HH at all.

[twilit thistle]

helhest needs to be able to do what she does in a way that doesn't ruin the experience for other players who arent invested in helhest. Helhest has been a calamity meta since release. You either have a helhest or you dont promote.

[true mauve]

Imagine how many lightbearers abilities would pop off and how many would get dusted if fire rate buffer/reloader hit. It would punish Ning and Mahama because of wpn mastery Stacks based and reward others like Estella who are shots fired based or Wolf/Umeko/etc who are %dmg based for a time period

"For 8 seconds your fireteam receives a 40% dmg bonus buff, doubles their fire rate, and dont use any ammo when firing (like Jolders bubble)"

Or insta reloads them

[twilit thistle]

Well ning is technically working mostly as expected. Estella isnt. Gwynn isnt. The fact that a support is putting out more damage than the rest is what is confusing to me.

[true mauve]

BOOM Ning and HH balanced, and half the game is now meta again

[true mauve]

Fire rate makes estella wpn mastery and Gwynns void orbs go brrrrr they could spam and do real damage

Only issue is, we are now reliant on the new Support to have 1 per team

Maybe 2, have to give them some really bad weapons like sidearms and RL so they cant pop off

[karmic chasm]

Let’s rework Helhest into a different IP

[twilit thistle]

😭 I know but helhest is a cracked sona. That shouldn't even be possible

[true mauve]

Full MP

[karmic chasm]

A character I have found fun to brute force content with is Ning. He’s just such a “if it doesn’t die hit it harder”
Character

[true mauve]

Rabadonns goes hard

[half sky]

Estella need mobility buff and super cd

[karmic chasm]

Feels JUST like my d2 guardian

[twilit thistle]

Estellas summons need to have a little less janky ai. Like targeting exploding shanks/thrall. Or just somehow finding cabal drop pods to stand under as a group of lvl 3 summons. The super is bad at targeting, too. Half the time it kinda bugs out and cant decide what to melt.

Making it so you can cancel the other ability, that gets them to target would be nice. Most of the time the summons do more damage when they randomly start teleporting around

[true mauve]

Corruption sig focuses the summons

Dont use it

[half sky]

Let's just exclude the weapons for now her super the only thing does some decent damage, and to get summons lv3 at t0 takes too much work while other characters be putting out damage with no effort. Her Q cd was good and all but wish they would buff damage a bit more

[twilit thistle]

I think you can bypass it by creating a new summon, and i remember placement also helps. Its been while tho my memory is foggy. Just QOL buffs would help.

[half sky]

Yeah can spam them but low damage lv1-2 unless just trying to get some health from artefact. Most fight be finished before lv3 anyway at t0

[thorny frost]

Corruption being passed to shinkas or invulnerable targets is a pain XD. My biggest gripe for her was the shifting of rapid fire shinkas when I used her in calamity ops. Them turning to give such a small hit box for the target, or hiding just that part behind terrain. Rapid fire shinkas should be a belt I feel and not a circle. Every other shinka doesn’t rely on which way the mob is facing.

[twilit thistle]

I meant that the last times I used estella, I was dropping just one new summon infront of enemies that were far off the original target who I had corrupted previously. That seemed to be changing the target. It has been a minute tho so take that with a grain of salt

[thorny frost]

But really like “nerfing” Helhest, Estela would shine a lot if content that didn’t favor heavy ammo/quick mob deletion. The content Helhest would have issues in is really where Estela (and new Kabr) would shine.

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar where are u when i need u 😭

[half sky]

Yeah they attack enemies you marked with Q

[karmic chasm]

Estella so fun but I have no talents for her

[twilit thistle]

I know, but i was bypassing the Q.

[karmic chasm]

Finally did get her gold medal tho

[twilit thistle]

I was getting them to start randomly targeting things despite having using Q

It was extremely hard to do that tho

[half sky]

Ohh they they attack random enemies otherwise Q just mark enemies for summons to attack including super

[modern pasture]

Yo kilothy ur a pvp player right?

[karmic chasm]

He’s the pvp player let’s be real

[thorny frost]

So I kind of remember this happening too, but I just went in to practice range and it appears (at least in that tiny room) that it isn’t the case anymore. I can corrupt one enemy then go across the other side of the spawn room and they will go to the market target, ignoring the other mobs in between.

[modern pasture]

Well thats nice. If ur also a pvp player if u wanna join high elo scrims or general iron bae matches emea/apac mostly but future na/latam we made a discord sever for that

[indigo solar]

Yeah

[indigo solar]

Touch is peak for PvP

[indigo solar]

Go to firing range and adjust your sensitivity until your swipes feel consistent

Also turn off acceleration

[indigo solar]

Yeah corruption only causes existing summons to blink to/target the hit enemy, new summons dgaf

[indigo solar]

Or at least they used to

Now corruption does teleport new enemies

[indigo solar]

No the problem with snipers using aim assist is that they have a firing delay

They're the only weapon archetype that does tho

So you have to have an enemy in your sights for like 3/4 of a second before it fires, and then it fires regardless of whether the crosshair is on them or not

[thorny frost]

All the silent changes happening that we would never think to look for typically XD.

[twilit thistle]

If this game had a dictionary and GOAT was in there, you would be in the example.

[karmic chasm]

Just kiss already

[twilit thistle]

Im pretty sure the new summon breaks the corruption for the remaining summons too

[twilit thistle]

Omw to colorado

[karmic chasm]

Not ME dawg 😭

[thorny frost]

I did not try multiple summons, I will see if I can give that a go

[twilit thistle]

Instructions unclear, proceeding to target you and not a dog.

[naive ingot]

Can kiss me if you like 😂

[twilit thistle]

Kissing was not the intention 😇

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/nahdog-gif-17900380376959797190

[indigo solar]

No

All new summons teleport to corrupted target

[thorny frost]

I tried it multiple times. If it does happen it doesn’t seem to happen in practice range, and I haven’t paid enough attention in my game plays with her to know if it is still happening.

Doesn’t help that corruption can vanish fast when handling regular mobs so you can kill a small group in seconds then corruption isn’t available for a bit.

[twilit thistle]

Was on expanse 39, which is a large room. Perhaps the corruption wore off?

I know for certain I wasnt using corruption.

[indigo solar]

Most likely

[twilit thistle]

Either it wore off or when a new summon is placed in front of an enemy that is far away, and either takes damage or is hit, it bypasses it.

Either way, Estela needs to be able to cancel it like others can. Also smarter teleporting to avoid death, and better targeting would be nice to haves.

[thorny frost]

A little longer range on the summons could help. I think all 4 enemy types currently have a unit who has mechanics that can really punish summons.

Vexes explosion and puddles I feel can really cause a number on them, and the thralls/shanks/drop shifts mentioned before.

[karmic chasm]

She should have a blink jump (not a signature ability)

[sly hornet]

Am i the only one thats very bothered by the fact you can only do the daily missions in one of the areas? Like, they are different places why do i gotta choose?

[sharp talon]

wdym?

oh you want to do daily commissions on both destinations?

[sly hornet]

Yea

[sharp talon]

i would like that as well lol more things to do in game

[errant narwhal]

@karmic chasm My substats aren't optimal but this is what Im running rn

[karmic chasm]

Is damage boost bonus a must on those last two? Rn I have the setup from Rossi’s bellicose plant and it’s arc, weapon, sig, ability

[errant narwhal]

arc signature weapon and damage bonus might be best but Im really not sure

actually damage bonus doesnt seem great

it just extends the length of the buff

[karmic chasm]

I am using United axion tho. Let me go check out my build and report back!

[errant narwhal]

bet

[karmic chasm]

Yea I don’t like that at all. She can constantly proc it anyway just by leaving the drone and recasting right?

[errant narwhal]

Yeah

[white fossil]

chest on the crate 🙏

[frozen delta]

cues for everything are getting so bad...

[sinful totem]

What weapons do yall like for attal

[naive ingot]

Crimson and End of the Line

[echo horizon]

Using symmetry with kabr is alot better when its upgraded, did so much damage with it

[sinful totem]

So crimson is objectively better for her than RC?

[naive ingot]

It's what I use. I've not done any cata on RC so would not know

[sinful totem]

Oh wow

So you don’t use helhest much either I guess

[naive ingot]

I did in morgrans with trinity and EoL but otherwise, no. Because not a warlock

Though she is at 70k

[harsh berry]

if the queue isn't dead, it's filled with baby's first activity or just half asleep teammates

and i don't mean new lights. i mean anyone who just fail to read whats in front of them to complete the encounter

[unborn turtle]

Agree. Struggling to find anything.

[sly hornet]

Fr, its one thing to be new, its another thing to be blind

[unborn turtle]

Damn shame tbh. This is a decent mobile game, but it already feels solidly in a nosedive

[bitter estuary]

You can be half asleep and still contribute the most

[karmic chasm]

@true mauve I turned off motion blur and that lowkey might be helping

@twilit thistle we won this match baby

[true mauve]

I have been bested at Rossi

[karmic chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-like-honor-respect-gif-14588358108868813407

I got luck af lol

Kabr was giving me barriers

[true mauve]

And he is humble about it 😭

[karmic chasm]

No dude, Kabr barrier with the bow is crazy. Free kill lol

[frigid kiln]

I didn't expect the "helhest" meta to be the reason I stopped playing this game, damn it's boring🙏 salute and goodbye

[karmic chasm]

We were just farming damage on C

[true mauve]

Im going to play Attal now, I have seen her crazy full heals

[karmic chasm]

Yea uh @limber pine outhealed half a mag of maha

[true mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-pick-me-up-rudy-ayoub-could-you-come-and-get-me-are-you-available-to-pick-me-up-would-you-mind-giving-me-a-ride-gif-4631277357056287327

[karmic chasm]

Airlift us all out of here bro

[short locust]

Ong

[verbal sluice]

😋😋😋😋

[twilit thistle]

The game is dying in part because of the endgame. There are all these activates but the only ones that allow you to benefit from having maxing power and upgrading everything, are the ones that you don't want to do. Pvp is balanced worse than destiny 2's pvp, somehow. Some began calling shifting gates home, until it was destroyed, wiping out the respect for that leaderboard. Calamity from early on has been monopolized by a handful of packs, as are many of the other activities. This is discouraging for many players including myself. The power leaderboards are a joke now, as NetEase simply uses first to login for tiebreakers. If this wasn't bad enough, note these leaderboards do not have a long term history. The only thing left is simply spending money. That's the only thing you will miss out on. These unresolved issues are just the tip of a massive iceberg. Not mentioning helhest and ning, the quality of the content, etc.

[true mauve]

TLDR: EoS soon

[karmic chasm]

While I’m not reading allat, I agree heavily

[short locust]

https://tenor.com/view/lotta-words-wow-thats-a-lot-of-words-not-reading-that-not-reading-wow-gif-26878516

[karmic chasm]

When Destiny the Mobile Game dies, I go back to 0 gaming most likely lol

[thorny frost]

After united Axion was switched from multiplicative to addative the need to run damage bonus boost on substats has diminished. For HH herself while under the effects of her ultimate it would end up being ~ 7.3% damage increase. It might be worth it in a coordinated team as it applies to all team mates.

[karmic chasm]

This brought me back

[true mauve]

Why are we looking up at him from that angle

[short locust]

Disrespect

[dusty spire]

Shall we request a statement on the games position for netease?

[sly hornet]

I just did the zev quest and that was so hype, i never thought a quest like that would exist this early on in the grand scheme of things xd

[sharp talon]

which one is that?

[dusty spire]

As consumers/service users it is completely fine to do so.

[sly hornet]

Im being intentionally vague to not spoil

[sharp talon]

its been a while since i finished the campaign. i forgot which one that was

[twilit thistle]

Sorry, I forget some are too young. Youth translator said, the endgame is absolutely cooked. There’s zero incentive to max out your build. PvP is a joke. Shifting Gates got deleted. Calamity is monopolized by whales gatekeeping the rewards. First to login wins power leaderboards. If you aren't spending money, you aren't really playing.

[sly hornet]

You play as zev in a stealth mission

[sharp talon]

Ohh

[sly hornet]

I just got there and i was hyped when i saw it, i expected it would be just a cutscene

Lol

[karmic chasm]

Game is fun

Unfortunately, game is also dying rapidly

[dusty spire]

I’m waiting on annual report then I’ll definitely speak on this.

[karmic chasm]

Yea we should give it till August

[sharp talon]

im not gonna doom unless s4 flops

[dusty spire]

That will be on or around the season 4 release shortly after

[karmic chasm]

But I’m 50/50 on them pulling the plug. They really might

[dusty spire]

Wouldn’t look good based on the third quarter report.

[sharp talon]

if s4 flops eos very soon after that i think

[dusty spire]

Thing is I’m reading something different, this game being in the market is more strategic

[thorny frost]

They aren’t required by any law (to my knowledge) to even comment on it to people on say a discord. Their devblogs could also be considered to already be addressing concerns they deem worth it. Their stock holder reports would be the major place to see if anything is actually said. And last year they delivered their Q4 report in February.

[dusty spire]

Well this is where I’m trying to tell some players to look.

[dusty spire]

This.

[thorny frost]

Yea I started typing that before that comment and got distracted before finishing it, my bad XD

[dusty spire]

I’m only assuming you’re knowledgable around this, quite happy to see and thank you.

[thorny frost]

I have basic knowledge. Nothing to big, I just have seen that companies are more required to state things to those who technically “own” part of their company rather then players. Honestly games can be kept alive for a while even if they see the financials are lower if they have ideas on how to grow their market shares. I honestly thought DMC:POC was going to eos earlier but they just hit their second year anniversary.

[naive ingot]

Look how long it took EA to kill Anthem

[twilit thistle]

At this point the only thing stopping EOS would be buisness agreements.

[naive ingot]

Business Agreement with Bungie I guess. It be the length of the Licence with them. Also a console release will help too

[twilit thistle]

*sony

[thorny frost]

They might see what a lot of us see, a good foundation. Honestly this game released with a lot more stuff to do end game wise than a lot of gachas I have played. They would need to also find a way to monetize better without upsetting the player base, their monetization methods is pretty low for Gacha norms.

[dusty spire]

Definitely on the lower in comparison to some of their other games offerings.

[twilit thistle]

Well it was 3d. Thats what it had going for it. Its a gacha set in the detiny universe, thats what makes it stand out tbh. The art style itself.

[dusty spire]

Agreed I’d have taken the mass effect theme too….

Sci fi action gatcha

Come on

No more same anime style heroes over and over and over

[thorny frost]

Out of all the gacha games I have played in recent years the max beneficial spending for Whales to do is easily half if not a third. Unit+ weapon each banner is on average about 715 dollars (probably less once figuring in dupe refunds). Then the only other stuff is cosmetics and pinnacle energy, so what 800-900 dollars a month? That is cheaper than the cost of a unit in the gachas I have played.

[dusty spire]

Like your buying/f2p the same heroes across multiple different games 😅

[naive ingot]

Another franchise EA let slip away... Even though there is a new game in the works, but after Andromeda.... yeah

[thorny frost]

Flooded with females in outfits that would never work for the world they were thrown into. (I know it sells). Maru was semi fresh breath of air compared to other games for character design.

[dusty spire]

Very very true, I only collect titans….with how generous the game is, T6 Kabr cost me £50 :/

Use some lumi to top up boats and T6

[karmic chasm]

It would. Console release would literally save this game instantly imo

[twilit thistle]

Given how absurd my performance was in arknights endfield id go out on a limb and say its even harder to release it as it was. I dont think monetization would improve our scenario tho. A t6 is already too expensive. But, on the other hand outfits and stuff like that? weapons, artifacts, black market, all that? Oh they shot themselves in the foot with what they did.

[dusty spire]

Now I rinse repeat

[karmic chasm]

So many people would love to play it on console.

[naive ingot]

I collect all though main warlocks, so Estela re-released be nice then I'll T6 her.

[dusty spire]

So something’s lacking otherwise they are coming with a different approach

[karmic chasm]

I’d main Estella if I had pulled her T6. Love her abilities but she’s not worth my investment

[naive ingot]

Mines T3

[dusty spire]

Telling you for the first round of character releases focusing on one class type is quite satisfying on the low spend.

Unfortunately warlocks got hit with a double whammy play

🤣

No skips 😅

[twilit thistle]

I know there are in game emotes like holding another player, but what about the chat based ones? Is there even a shop for that?

[dusty spire]

Hunters got it easy first round because of Ning lol

[naive ingot]

T6 Gwynn was £90 but we had all the bundles.

[naive ingot]

Hold me

[dusty spire]

Fire discount and you like warlocks so it’s a win

[naive ingot]

Gwynn was always gonna be the one.

[thorny frost]

They can’t go back now, raising prices will destroy the game. But finding different means of monetization (IE more cosmetics/possible opt in ad revenue as was discussed earlier).

This game I am just saying wasn’t built to monetize the strongest. It is an area they (imo) need to look at too while still working on developing content that will diversify the game.

[dusty spire]

My favourite warlock is tan2

[twilit thistle]

Coulda borrowed assets from destiny, and sold shaders too. These decals are just horrible. I know some people can find ways, but they are so limiting

[dusty spire]

Honestly I think they are waiting on an opportunity to increase user numbers then sell into that momentum lol

[naive ingot]

Tbf they still could. A lot of the emotes sparrows and ghost shells are from D2

[thorny frost]

I skipped Gwynn, but went and T6 Estela. Needed my dragon summoner mage lol

[naive ingot]

Cayde 6

https://tenor.com/view/cayde-destiny-falling-gif-15312931

[karmic chasm]

Gwynn will revive the game for like 3 weeks

Cayde maybe 4 weeks

[sharp talon]

buff jaren and he will save the game somehow

[karmic chasm]

Jaren needs a signature 1 damage buff NOW

[dusty spire]

I only will pull for titans that’s my thing plus I don’t want to spend more than my annual budget….

This will be my warlock main!

I’m I’m going all out on support!

[karmic chasm]

It felt unusable at t0

[dusty spire]

Straight up support tan2

[naive ingot]

My Jaren is T0 and so mid 😂

[dusty spire]

Dmg buffing and healing will be my priorities

[sharp talon]

without t6 i think u need to build jaren for weapon damage (inverted fury) but idk. (thats how i built jaren before i t6'd him)

[dusty spire]

Trying to get him ready for the next game mode

[twilit thistle]

Exactly. Its not 100% gacha has been my biggest argument. It isnt just about waifus and appearing as though its an anime come to life. You know its bad when we want more things to spend money on. Right now its only targeting small whales. For big whales, and the tiniest of whales, it just doesn't work. This game has to redefine what is acceptable for a game of its type in order to survive.

[thorny frost]

I am waiting for the next support unit, I always played healer/CCer in the MMOs I played. I am not willing to spend lumia leaves on permanent units tho. They will come… sooner or later.

[dusty spire]

Yup only use deals or the free ones never lumis….

I have over 40k lumi again had 50k but spent some on Kabr for the T6

I feel a better experience being selective

What I don’t have other players would lol

[thorny frost]

I am up to 23k currently, and like 50 LE boats. I think I can T6 the next unit released that I want with just normal 10-20 dollars a month now.

[dusty spire]

I think we on the same loop I prefer playing this way.

I’m waiting on my solar titan

Everything is air otherwise

[thorny frost]

Once you get a couple good units you can skip a decent amount of units. Even if a unit isn’t meta doesn’t mean they can’t hold their own. I use Jolder in Calamity when my HH and Estela aren’t viable.

[dusty spire]

I got into oversea with xuan

[thorny frost]

Yea seems like it. Chasing the top meta is exhausting and not fun

[dusty spire]

And I still think tan2 is viable in c ops

[thorny frost]

Ok that is above my skill level XD I will admit that.

[dusty spire]

Ok let me not brag to much I don’t have the higher scores 379k? Ish

The main carry is two HH

[rough reef]

Hi. Can i ask something?

[dusty spire]

But my point is that some heroes are overlooked.

[dusty spire]

Go for it

[thorny frost]

That is still something I probably couldn’t do. If I found an actual team I could probably pull it off with Jolder. But I mainly matchmake. Can get into masters doing that tho.

[dusty spire]

You could with “a team” definitely

That area requires communication unless all players know the play to a T.

[sharp talon]

finding a team makes calamity much more fun

[rough reef]

Soo, should i keep leveling up the MC or forget about it and go for other heroes instead? And if so which are the best in your opinions

[dusty spire]

Calamity ops runs are a “play” a sequence of the best possible results based on X factors that anyone can imitate.

[twilit thistle]

Tbh the best places the devs should be looking for ways to fix the game are from games that have survived the test of time. Best one that i know of is clash royale, though its been a few years. On a tier list, its shop would be s+. I wish we could get more pulls for characters like estela on weekends, so players keep coming back.

[sharp talon]

wolf is a really solid option in general

[rough sedge]

That’s an idea

[dusty spire]

Send it in….

[rough sedge]

I want to rank up my Jaren, didn’t really know how good we was until the end of his time when I got him. I spent no money until last week so I missed my T6 opportunity there

[twilit thistle]

@indigo solar what game has a better monitization system for cosmetics and stuff similar to that?

[neat valley]

i logged on and logged off, theres nothing for me to do

[dusty spire]

Gatcha

[neat valley]

i need a new dungeon or something

[thorny frost]

Weekend banners could be interesting. I was thinking if they took a note from Warframe and made the black market into more of a player market it could have been interesting. Whales passing out silver so low spenders/F2P could also end up burning currency on bundles and what not could work. Photons and yellow bottles being bigger sellers, extractors selling to the biggest whales.

[dusty spire]

The BM working for photons lol

I weekly buy the pinnacle thing for silver just to convert to by photons

[neat valley]

i dont even need photons, most weapons suck anyways

[dusty spire]

I’m not benching progressing by not having those things

[thorny frost]

Warframe is considered generous, even tho they require you to spend to even unlock the ability to house more units.

[neat valley]

if you spend money on single player gachas, seek help

[thorny frost]

But there are those players who want those things. If they spent the silver, to actual players to then spend on the beginner bundles it would give another outlet for top spenders to spend through F2P players.

*edited out need, it isn’t a need XD

[rain condor]

New PB in solo bulwark ops

[neat valley]

nice bro

too bad i only played it the first 2 weeks and never touched it again

[dusty spire]

I love it

It’s there when I want to play it and not demanding to progress

[neat valley]

its a waste of time for me, it doesnt give me anything i need

[rain condor]

I just need 4* Anesthesia for the 30% damage buff when paired with Understatement

[neat valley]

and 15 rounds only matter like once a week, going past that is more of a ego thing

[dusty spire]

Or just a personal goal

[thorny frost]

I like tower defenses. It isn’t the best TD but it is something I can BS on while watching anime with the wife

[dusty spire]

Exactly

It all adds to the reward loop…

I want the mats for progression over time…gimmie those lemon juices

[neat valley]

lemon juices?

[thorny frost]

I honestly have enjoyed to some degree or another each of the different modes, they just get stale over time. Sparrow racing needs more maps (and more events that change it slightly like the snowball one), card game needs to diversify the meta.

[karmic chasm]

Prophecy pleaseeee

[dusty spire]

Infusion core

[neat valley]

Piss jars

[magic trout]

.

[dusty spire]

Well what ever we call em ay. But yeah I wanna finish this weapon collection before the next batch comes out

[magic trout]

.

.

.

[neat valley]

i usually get all the weapons first week

[white fossil]

same i focus on it 🙏

[neat valley]

i think i just no lifed it too much and now theres nothing to do

[dusty spire]

Ahh you’ve maxed the weapon collection already?

[neat valley]

and the season doesnt even end for like 2 months

[dusty spire]

I’m talking the complete collection not just BP…

[neat valley]

yeah

getting the weapons are easy if you played from the start

[dusty spire]

Not updates but yeah I’ve played from start, got 6 more weopons to max cat then I need to basically do the bottom

[neat valley]

thats cool and all but most of those suck cheeks

[dusty spire]

Most are cat 3 and then just 3 upgrades

[neat valley]

and will never be used

[dusty spire]

I use them

[neat valley]

im just being real

[dusty spire]

Same I use them…

[neat valley]

okay doesnt mean their good

anyone can use them

[true mauve]

Make iron bar week long, add exotic weapons, clusters, photons, mobius clusters (for mod upgrade) and artifacts as a 1% drop chance. Add 50-100 Lumia leaves and 1 Standard Draw Boat at a .1% chance drop each. Allow talents and full cata exotic weapons in Iron Bar Fair Play. Watch sales drive up.

[dusty spire]

Plus it’s a collectors game so I play completion.

[true mauve]

Drop 1-2 new maps with reward change

[dusty spire]

Your account play as you like enjoy it or don’t lol

Or bounce

[neat valley]

yeah i get you bro, youre built different and once you complete everything it will be a flex

thats just not fun for me

[dusty spire]

Or I guess I should like what you like and do as you do right?

Makes the game more fun that way

[true mauve]

Copy the Ninja

[short locust]

Are we coping again?

[dusty spire]

Why are “personal goals” a flex to you? lol

[true mauve]

Oh is it copieninja?

[neat valley]

lol

[short locust]

Idk what's going on

[neat valley]

all i said was that stuffs not fun

[true mauve]

I thought it was copy

[dusty spire]

To you and anyone else that feels that way definitely

[true mauve]

Me either but it looks fun 👀

[neat valley]

i can get thru most content with one character and one weapon, upgrading the rest to me is a waste of time

unless it is op or something

[dusty spire]

Yup you play as you like 💯👌🏾

[short locust]

Oh yeah I never understood the competitionist mentality but ey, all the more power to em ig

[true mauve]

Bahama Mama Ning Slay since launch fr

Gotta not build T0 HH, its a flex 💪

[neat valley]

and the game doesnt even give you a title for completing everything, maybe if it did that would be worth it

make a title for completionist , ill put that into the suggestions

i had friends who played the same way but you really dont get anything once you complete it all, they need to give yall a title or something

[true mauve]

You got the freedom to play any character you want

[dusty spire]

:/ this is a pass time game

[short locust]

Nah they need to give everyone some content

[dusty spire]

Play as you like

[neat valley]

lol

ive been trying arknights endfield and thats a pass time game

[true mauve]

Did you pull for anyone yet or you still saving?

[neat valley]

destiny doesnt even recharge pinnacle over time like other gachas

[short locust]

Someone post a bad take so I can ragebait

[neat valley]

i pulled 3 mythics on free draws

[dusty spire]

Maybe your still on the quest for the perfect gatcha

Gl

[neat valley]

destiny rising was my first gacha

[thorny frost]

Should make an animated version of these once you get X amount of the weapons lvl 80+ 10 with all three mods +10. I probably still wouldn’t chase them but definitely a fun reward for those who play that way.

[dusty spire]

Lucky lol

[true mauve]

What do you do when content phases Ning and our only current LE draw is Kabr the Resolute?

[neat valley]

so now i see other gachas and im like wtf

destiny can do so many good ideas

[dusty spire]

I’m sure if they was really really good you would be in there discord

But your here

[neat valley]

thats cause i love destiny rising

[dusty spire]

So that counts +1

[neat valley]

i dont hate the game, i just want more

like most players

[dusty spire]

Ohh I thought differently, apologies

[true mauve]

Sounds like a bad breakup letter

[thorny frost]

Honestly prefer this method, the recharge over time is to force people to think they need to log in every 6-8 hours or they will lose out. They still gate the content basically the same just said you can’t save beyond so many hours.

[short locust]

Destiny IP in a nutshell

[soft bobcat]

Love that you're a fellow stalker fan btw 🫡

[rotund flame]

Dumb question but i bought the monthly subscription and it gave me everything on day 1 instead of waiting 30 days. Is that normal?

[short locust]

There's a flat value at first, then daily

[neat valley]

i love that game too lol

[rotund flame]

Ah ok, was confused because i don't remember it doing that the first time i bought it when the game came out

[sharp talon]

you got the last 30 days of leaves immediately

[wintry verge]

Question. How do I progress past “Distant Shadow” in the seasonal quest line.. do I have to do the raid?

[sharp talon]

if you didn't get the blessing in the past 30 days, those rewards are saved

[rotund flame]

Yeah didn't know it did that. Last time i bought it when they game released. Kinda cool since you don't have to wait lol

[sharp talon]

yea i love the blessing system its really good

[rotund flame]

Meanwhile other games make you log in every day and if you miss a day you lose the reward you paid for 💀

[pulsar coral]

Do you still get the next 30 days of rewards??

[thorny frost]

Read that wrong I think

[sharp talon]

it progresses week by week. we've been getting a cutscene after maintenance for several weeks i believe. i think there are some other requirements though

[neat valley]

yeah i love that part

[dusty spire]

I had to 😂😅

[neat valley]

bro you play too many

lmfao

[tropic swift]

I havent even talked to Xur yet.. What's these cutscenes i've missed? 😥

[neat valley]

delete the other 5 too

[sharp talon]

i think last one was with felwinter i dont remember lol

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-the-sun-dead-cells-gif-19409747

[tropic swift]

I thought it was just a "Here's Crotas End" intro and thats it..

[sharp talon]

we only get a small cutscene and its another week to wait, its hard to rememberr lol

[neat valley]

i skippe dthe past 3 cutscenes

so im lost in the story now

[thorny frost]

I thought the cut scenes were tied to the tower defense not crota.

[sharp talon]

i didnt skip any but i don't remember anything lol

[naive ingot]

Saladin and Felwinter yep

[dusty spire]

Wait are the cutscenes introducing something 😩 I ignore them

[tropic swift]

There's a story? First I heard haha

[sharp talon]

theres lore in them

[empty kettle]

Warmind bunker

[serene ingot]

Whos felwinter? Next character or just some lore character?

[dusty spire]

Warmind?
Raid ?

[empty kettle]

Lore character

[indigo solar]

Codm makes a ton of money on cosmetics, they've got cosmetic banners similar to the Final Prayer draw except it has a knockout system and the price per draw increases with each draw

[sharp talon]

idk who felwinter is. helhest's boss i guess

[empty kettle]

No raid

[thorny frost]

Felwinter is one of the iron lords. He is a lore character but maybe someday character?

[dusty spire]

If they don’t cook for the next solar titan

[sharp talon]

now that i think about it. ||felwinter bugged helhest.|| i remember that from the cutscene last week 🤣

[serene ingot]

Oof saladin would also be a dope playble character

[tropic swift]

"Warmind Bunker".. Supposedly in RSR which it clearly isn't judging by the whole floating vex architecture in a Grey void.

[sly hornet]

I just played the final fight mission and holy hype that was so cool

[empty kettle]

There are many Warmind bunkers

[tropic swift]

It sure was. Would love to play loads of Wolfs Missions again but we can't.. but can play other characters missions again.. Make it make sense..

[dusty spire]

Waiting….

[serene ingot]

Yeah he looks dope af

[neat valley]

yeah they will never give us that man

[sly hornet]

We cant?? Mann

[neat valley]

we getting all basic characters reworked first

so they can farm our money

[tropic swift]

Yes but its just a Warmind like door in an area thats clearly not RSR.

[dusty spire]

I’ll take the titans

[sharp talon]

oob discoveries 🔥

[serene ingot]

They can have my money for rossi 5 star

[sly hornet]

Imagine we get a 5 star wolf thats just a more basic form of the final mission version

[sharp talon]

we need a mythic wolf asap

[sly hornet]

Cause the full deal would be way too op

[dusty spire]

5* finnala better come correct

[sharp talon]

power creep helhest immediately

[empty kettle]

That's going to happen eventually

[sly hornet]

Yea

It would be a gigantic waste if it didnt

[sharp talon]

actually we need a 6 star wolf

[tropic swift]

I thought Legendary Campaign was the Campaign but harder.. Its not.

[sly hornet]

How so?

I didnt start it yet

[serene ingot]

What we actually need is 6 star ning

[sly hornet]

It would just be the final fight version lol

[sharp talon]

correction: 6 star helhest

[dusty spire]

I want a scorch titan that’s plays similar to xuan

Fusion rifle / rocket launcher

[neat valley]

time for 5 star umeko

[serene ingot]

Ngl exotic characters would be so cool but not really because of the cost

[sly hornet]

Honestly the thing i want most on wolf is a way to get the sword skill to just combo as long as the enemies get one tapped

[rotund raptor]

8 star xuan is the solution to all problems

[dusty spire]

Keep same cost make them extremely limited

[short locust]

The whole star character system doesn't work for Destiny

[sharp talon]

wym? it resets on kill rn

[dusty spire]

Would break the game

[sharp talon]

you want it to auto combo?

[sly hornet]

Ik but like it autocasts

[sly hornet]

Yee

[neat valley]

@tropic swiftyou know how to get out of haven right?

[dusty spire]

5* Umeko would sell

[serene ingot]

Hmm yea they could make them a banner that reruns only 1 time then never again

[sly hornet]

It just goes nuts on its own (totally not trying to compensate for my skill issues in aiming the sword dash)

Xd

[dusty spire]

We had those in Dragalia lost, gala banners

[neat valley]

what if xur popped up with a special banner every once in awhile

that would be so cool

[sly hornet]

More gifts of the nine? Sign me up

[dusty spire]

Dropped once and that was it

Truly limited

[sharp talon]

they're gonna make a 10* helhest that only has one run

[serene ingot]

Once ain't gonna cut it for this game too unfair for f2p

[dusty spire]

Unfortunately it’s not about F2P

[neat valley]

i mean so far the characters are truly limited, because they havent brought anyone back yet

[rotund raptor]

There are still a lot of days till new character comes

[tropic swift]

Indeed..

[dusty spire]

Service providers trying to make money

[sly hornet]

F2p gets people in, p2w gets the game to stay

Its the sad truth

[dusty spire]

F2P is like oil to the machine

[serene ingot]

Well it should be because they are players too and if you dont keep both f2p and p2w players happy game dies

[sly hornet]

If they dont profit they pull the plug

[dusty spire]

Payers are fuel to the rocket

[neat valley]

@tropic swiftwhat about under, theres a invisble mountain you sit on and you can explore haven from underneath it

[sly hornet]

Exactly

You need both

[dusty spire]

So F2P are only lubricant

[dusty spire]

Fair

[serene ingot]

Payers wont pay if the f2p people already quit cus who can they flex on? Other whales? Nah

[dusty spire]

It’s has balance elements between the two

Both need each other

[neat valley]

i had a friend spend thousands and he already quit

[tropic swift]

Yup.. I'm far out 😆

[serene ingot]

Exactly

[neat valley]

bros on creative mode

[dusty spire]

Well if it’s disposable income then why not I guess, however if it isn’t that’s not finically sustainable

[sly hornet]

Thats why i prefer p2p (pay to progress) instead of the classic p2w, its fair for both, the payers just get there faster and look cooler in the meantime

Its healthier

[neat valley]

i mean he works at some high end factory so i think hes fine

[sly hornet]

But its not like they exactly care all that much, they just wanna profit

[dusty spire]

Pay to progress is real

[dusty spire]

Then it’s no problem so long it’s not causing your mate any detriment

[tropic swift]

Too bad there was no way to get to the Haven Commisions Marker to see who was floating out there..

[sly hornet]

And im not talking about the devs, its more about the higher ups, they only want the cash to flow and to spend as little as possible

[dusty spire]

Guess it’s no different from losing at the casino lol

[neat valley]

i dont really go to casinos lol

[foggy sonnet]

Patriots v Seahawks superbowl incoming

[dusty spire]

Don’t do it lol

[humble jacinth]

superb owl

[sly hornet]

What happens in vegas stays in vegas

Except the crippling debt, that one follows you home

Xd

[half sky]

Why all t6 HH going in calamity ops with Trinity Ghoul. Trolls

[sharp talon]

loll

[serene ingot]

Maybe they paid 1k$ to play for fun 🤣

[sly hornet]

Lol

[sharp talon]

trinity ghoul op

[half sky]

Matched like 4 of em with it 😭

[soft bobcat]

End of the Line is better for bursting bosses. If you have 2HH Arbalest + EoL is pretty insane

[wintry verge]

I haven’t been..

[dusty spire]

Ok chaos time got a movie 🍿 I need some luck to land

[humble jacinth]

I love those Helhests with 2 linears

[half sky]

Arbalest can still 1 tap with t6 HH. But boss damage wise i can understand but still

[soft bobcat]

I said 2 Helhests on the team, not a HH with 2 Linears 🙄

[sharp talon]

there could be bulwark ops level requirements i think. i'm not sure though

[soft bobcat]

I mean all bows suck yea

And all Linears are amazing atm

[wintry verge]

Well shoot. That’s better than the raid I guess lol not that I don’t wanna do it. I was part of a raid clan in D2.. more so I don’t have time to set aside to run it

[serene ingot]

after playing bulwark a bit more yesterday i feel like it was somewhat fun but it also feels like im just doing the same stuff every game same towers same strategy, kinda wish there was like monthly or weekly challenge stages kinda like bulwark version of expanse

[sharp talon]

that would be awesome, maybe with leaves as rewards. it reminds me of clash of clans challenges tbh, maybe a specific set of towers you are given and you need to clear with those. at least with clash of clans, it drives traffic to youtubers as well for guides

[serene ingot]

more leaves would always be pogg :D

[serene ingot]

part of the challenge in td games is figuring out the optimal strategy

but like some towers being banned from said map would probably work well

[sharp talon]

it also reminds me of challenges in bloon td which is a more direct comparison lol

[serene ingot]

yeah usually td games have a list of maps for you to challenge and try to get to the target round or go past it and try to get as high as possible but thats whats kinda missing here

[sharp talon]

i mean bloons td has challenges where towers are banned, upgrade paths are limited etc

i like watching btd6 content on them

[serene ingot]

oh yea upgrade paths would be a great addition to this game for tons more variety

[soft bobcat]

yea more chip upgrades for lightbearers would be great

our abiliites/weapons are basically pea shooters after wave 10

[serene ingot]

yeah that also sucks tbh doesn't even feel worth to shoot because you literally do nothing

[soft bobcat]

probably sooner than that tbh I haven't tested since the patch

[twilit thistle]

🤔

Oh

[serene ingot]

oh that reminds me i gotta do my weekly issakis runs been avoiding it for the last 2 weeks cus its such a pain need 1 last copy of gallows

[neat valley]

facts. theres no variation after certain round points, thats what a simple tower defenese does, but instead its the same stuff over and over

[elder sandal]

.

[twilit thistle]

exactly what I did. Surprised it dropped. Just need one more copy and i can max it.

[serene ingot]

honestly so excited to never have to play that map again 😂

[neat valley]

how fast do you find lobbys

[twilit thistle]

like 15 mins for me. Most of the time it finds a lobby but one guy went afk by the time it actually finds it

[serene ingot]

depends on the time im usually wake at night/the morning so takes me like 30 mins or i just won't find a match

[soft bobcat]

I got my last gallows this week. Feels good to never have to do it again. Good luck ;D

[serene ingot]

and when i finally find a match its 5 newlights or someone in the team trolling on purpose

[foggy sonnet]

God I hate Tom Brady

[soft bobcat]

If there were a system to ping me when it's 4/6 I'd sign up to help for sure

[foggy sonnet]

GO SEAHAWKS

[thorny frost]

The need more stages for sure, and they attempted to give different modifiers. But making hoof covers all possibly abilities the opponent has and Anethesia highest single target dps kind of forced a meta.

[neat valley]

Issakis was the one mode I farmed more than anything

It was my favorite but I’ve probably did it over 500 times , and I haven’t touched it in months

I have like every spawn point engraved in my brain so I just pre fire with my snipers as soon as anything spawns lol

[soft bobcat]

Yeah I should say I don't dislike Issakis, and I don't think anyone is. It's the Queues being 10+ mins

Since the last 1-2months at least

[neat valley]

The eclipse maps were really good , we need more like that

At least 3 dif ones every 2 months or something

[serene ingot]

yep hope they do something same with the card game

[soft bobcat]

Maybe allowing more activities to be done while queue'd for "raid" activities would be nice. Like if I could run Legendary Campaign while being queue'd for Issakis I would do that

[thorny frost]

We basically just need “more” for all the content. More stages more cards more viable options. They have like the base version of everything but need to expand farther.

[neat valley]

The base is too simple and usually it’s just one thing you specifically need to be op

[thorny frost]

All solo content should be able to be ran while queing for group content, except expanse for the penalty reason.

[serene ingot]

yep they have everything but everything feels like its in beta testing or early access

[neat valley]

Yeah we are beta testing for d3

lol

[thorny frost]

I would be fine playing the TD mode for a bit while waiting for say shifting gates (before they made it a bot farm).

[serene ingot]

shadowshapers could work well if it worked same as marvel snap if anyone ever played that, but it would still require cards to be added actively

[neat valley]

Yeah it just needs more cards , then different metas can be made

[thorny frost]

I don’t think Bungee is taking notes XD thy don’t take notes from their own stuff it sounds like.

[soft bobcat]

I would even do shadowshaper duels while queue'd and I would forfeit it my queue popped idc

[thorny frost]

More over shield cards could help against the current meta, but allow for like the hive buff meta to work.

[soft bobcat]

Right now basically Fishing and Public Activities is it. And I'm already like level 100+ Fishing if you include all the chests past 75

[serene ingot]

after catching all the fish feels pointless fishing more than twice a day for the weekly capacitor thingy

[soft bobcat]

I don't even do that anymore I have 130+ capacitors 😭

[hidden carbon]

I already have 400+ capacitors. I don’t fish anymore lol

[serene ingot]

wth i have 0

[sharp talon]

you get capacitors from the pinnacle event daily

im overflowing with them now

[serene ingot]

i always use em so i gotta play less :D

[soft bobcat]

Yeah I was going to say I'm not even a big spender and I'm over 100 capacitors.

If you don't claim rewards and let other characters claim after leaving the activity, there's no option to use capacitors sadly.

Otherwise I'd be using them but I'm going for proficiency on more characters right now.

Also the meta for running Singularity Chaos dungeons is ignoring chests and just going on and on and on until you can't anymore.

[thorny frost]

#📮│suggestion-voting message put in a suggestion to allow us to play more content while qued. It probably had already been suggested in the past but figured might as well try again

[sharp talon]

it would be nice if you could claim all basic rewards in reward retrieval

[soft bobcat]

Same problem. Cannot use capacitors to retrieve past rewards.

[bitter estuary]

QoL in the game is alr good but not enough so i agree lmao this is bugging me so much

this is esp useful for crota’s end grind

pls allow for chaos grinding while queueing

[serene ingot]

why is that meta? seen people lose 4 hours of farming progress doing that xD

[soft bobcat]

Don't do 4 hours at a time 😂

[serene ingot]

i always claim em after every map and use 2x rewards

[soft bobcat]

I did that for the longest time as well. And still do from time to time.

[thorny frost]

We have like 30 different things people could at anytime be queing for. With that many options we need something to do while waiting. It isn’t like pvp shooters where everyone playing is queing for pvp.

[serene ingot]

last week i got 2 exo artif from 1 chest and then from the same 3 chests got a 3rd one without pinnacle that was pretty lucky xD

[sharp talon]

let us play the ghost minigame while queuing 🔥 (can you already do that?)

[thorny frost]

Adding on, my guess is they would need to redo some programming. It would be worth it tho for the longevity/QOL of the game.

[thorny frost]

Is that not allowed either? I never actually tried that

[sharp talon]

i never tried it eitherr

[soft bobcat]

dude I thought it was actually pretty sick during the holidays how they had a new leaderboard and rewards for the ghost minigame

adding that to queues with weekly/daily rewards would be sick lol

but rather would do more meaningful things while queue'ing, like in @thorny frost 's post #📮│suggestion-voting message

[twilit thistle]

I wish suggestions were used. Ive been compiling a large document that details what's going wrong. @ me to add to it. (i added that, tac, as well as most of what we went over earlier.)

I just dug into UID's of the top 10 umekos, and I found no correlation with either power leaderboards for regional or server. Given that the two are not synchronized, this proves that its broken. If not an error then its because netease changed the system, which was who hits max first, to now be who logs in first.

[gusty bridge]

Anyone here not getting even Mythic artifacts using pinnacle energy on Chaos? I had 3 runs, all 9 chests had no artifacts with pinnacle.

[thorny frost]

Proficiency should be the tie breaker. Then who uses the unit the most at least gets the recognition. And thank you for adding the suggestions into a doc, having multiple different ways to relay the info hopefully will get different/more eyes on it.

[twilit thistle]

I always suggested that the suggestion channel itself needed filtered and curated. If nobody else will do it, I will.

[half sky]

Happens often these days. Probably nerfed drop rate without informing

[thorny frost]

There is probably a lot of good suggestions that get missed for “rerelease old unit” type posts

[gusty bridge]

But mythic is guaranteed, no?

[half sky]

No rng

[cyan tide]

Nope

[thorny frost]

I haven’t had an issue with mythic from pinnacle energy before. It is a 67% chance from basic rewards tho

[bold thunder]

Kind of the reality of the mode until they (hopefully) do some balancing and more than a couple towers are usable sadly

[cyan tide]

Wait, you said with pinnacle. Are you sure you're doing chaos?

[gusty bridge]

I always get them, but this was 9 chests without it

[thorny frost]

Do you have any screen shots or anything?

[cyan tide]

Wait, you probably have auto dismantle on

[gusty bridge]

Theres such setting? Ill check

[cyan tide]

Check your inventory, dismantle and press auto dismantle settings. Make sure mythic artifacts aren't checked

[half sky]

That seem to be the case for me before maxing it out but now it takes me almost 30-50 runs to get 1 from basic reward it used to be like 10-20 before 😭

[gusty bridge]

Yes, i sent them on customer support. I cant post pics here

[twilit thistle]

Actually from experiments, if you are fast enough, its better to use pinnacle while you do chaos. If you open the first chest with pinnacle, and the last two without, its 100% possible (from experience) to get 3 artifacts. One from each. That's one technique I used to get more. (Fishing in haven is what tipped me off. More than one person would catch an exotic fish at the same time)

[thorny frost]

So if you have auto dismantle on you will see the recycle symbol on the dust items but no mythical artifact item

[gusty bridge]

Thanks lot. Mythic was checked… thats some bad rng, no exotic in 9 chests

[cyan tide]

The same thing happened to someone in in-game chat a couple of days ago lol
The best part is that I'm pretty sure mythic artifacts aren't set to auto dismantle by default so they had to have changed it themselves without noticing

[gusty bridge]

I probably checked off when i was dismantling the other day. Good catch thanks

[twilit thistle]

That was easy. I wish the total number of clears was under lifetime stats, apparently that only applies to gauntlet onslaught. 510 essence of the oversoul.

[karmic chasm]

Niiiice

Still trying to get mine. I’ll do a few runs tonight I think

Just realized you got that with basic rewards

[twilit thistle]

I didn't like it, i wish i could give it to you. Wasn't a fan of the color the fire was.

[karmic chasm]

It will match my homepage if you recall the theme

Witch King theme (Minis Morgul)

[indigo solar]

What was your ign?

I haven't played since rising official launch

[karmic chasm]

I don’t remember lol

It would have been beginning of last year sometime

[jovial plover]

Sup

[river crypt]

Guys can i recover an account that had it data transferrees?

Transfereed*

I got it binded in this discord server

But the discord account doesnt have its previous data from when i stopped playing

[elder sandal]

where’s the patch notes and balance changes channel

[twilit thistle]

Open the game, before you login, its on the right of your screen (the one with the orange notification). I do not recommend this discord for it.

[elder sandal]

ty

[cyan tide]

You mean from the server merge?

[river crypt]

I js saw it and some1 changed the log ins

Idk how tho

[cyan tide]

You can also check it after logging in, the notice tab is in the same area as the mail

[river crypt]

It is in LATAM

[cyan tide]

So your account got stolen? Sounds like you need to contact CS

Also change your passwords and stuff

[river crypt]

I did sent a email js now

[river crypt]

Imma do it

[cyan tide]

Don't forget to enable 2FA if you haven't yet

[twilit thistle]

Set a reminder for 3 days so u dont forget to check for a response.

[river crypt]

Ok thx

[river crypt]

Ok thx

[sinful totem]

What weapons do yall like for Jolder, Estela and finalla

[twilit thistle]

Can my ping be like this on other games 😭

[haughty geyser]

I just got triple covid booster vaccined

[hard forge]

So doing the maths just now, I guess we are getting a void rapid fire ?

[twilit thistle]

Finally found a use for this ugly skin. 🤞hope i login first tomorrow but im sure the ppl using macros will beat me. (Wish I had an “o”)

[hard forge]

I’m thinking we might get a spread rapid fire which doesn’t that line up with ikoras main kit? From the lore?

[late hull]

i have fallen out of love with DR. I started playing the d2 renegades expansion, but i'm bored of that too. Maybe if i force myself to play DR i will get hooked again. Once the new destination gets released, i think it will help. I enjoy having a game that i'm addicted to. Gives me something to look forward to whenever i have down time.

[molten pulsar]

How do I report someone after a shifting gates match?

[open sluice]

heya anyone want to help bulkwark 15 real fast?

[molten pulsar]

Nvm, figured it out

[molten pulsar]

Nah, that mode is actually garbage

Just go play Onslaught in D2 if you want horde defense plus Destiny

[open sluice]

just want weeklies

[bold thunder]

sure, co-op or do you mean coaching through solo?

[bold thunder]

they're not even very similar modes, what?

[molten pulsar]

Defending a point against waves of hordes with points to upgrade defenses around you. Aside from the towers in Rising vs actually being able to use your character in D2, they're very similar.

[bold thunder]

aside from defending a point against waves of enemies, I don't see the similarity tbh

onslaught was a horde mode

the turrets did basically nothing

[molten pulsar]

One other difference: every 5 and 10 waves having a different thing

[bold thunder]

you just killed stuff yourself

[marsh meadow]

Why game is not available in india

[molten pulsar]

@bold thunder The defenses were actually useful if you knew what you were doing. They just weren't as powerful as the towers in rising, which are really only more useful because Bulwark Ops is balanced in such a way that feels garbage.

[bold thunder]

I used the defenses for the first 20 or so runs I did of onslaught, but eventually I stopped even buying them

the turrets helped kill trash ads a little, but they didn't do much against the actually dangerous enemies

[twilit thistle]

Stevelion would be #1 General Bulkwark Ops if this was a thing

[bold thunder]

and the decoys actively trolled enemy pathfinding

[marsh meadow]

Why game is not available in india

[molten pulsar]

The decoys were actually amazing.

[molten pulsar]

Because of you

[marsh meadow]

🫡

[bold thunder]

having played 100+ hours of both onslaught and bulwark, I don't personally see the similarity (beyond surface level observations)

the gameplay just feels completely different to me

maybe just the way I personally play the modes, idk

[molten pulsar]

On a serious note, good luck

[twilit thistle]

Partially bc Taniks-san, the GachaGirl⬛🟥[IN] fed, but still, #1 player

[bold thunder]

I mean I owe my success in all areas to Taniks

[simple plank]

wdym you guys dont play Shifting Gates for the vibes

[bold thunder]

except solo isaakis, I'm the only one responsible for that degenerecy

[bold thunder]

too many bots

[simple plank]

why switch to Jaren when Finnala is the vibes master

dont matta if 40 artifact xp is on the line

[molten pulsar]

Mixture of this with the fact that Onslaught is just balanced better. Bulwark Ops FORCES you to use the best towers. So, you don't even have much viable build variety in Bulwark Ops. Surprisingly, for a game that has an issue with viable build variety, Onslaught actually does a better job of letting you use non-meta builds and strategies for defense.

[bold thunder]

idk when I play bulwark most of my effort is spent towards strategizing tower builds for one thing or another

I generally know what the enemies are, how they'll attack, etc

there's very little fast paced action

every time I play(ed) onslaught it was exclusively fast paced action

[molten pulsar]

Onslaught is not fast paced, lmao

[bold thunder]

🤷

It certainly isn't now, back during brave with the teleporting enemies and stuff, master (or whatever it was called) onslaught was usually fairly fast paced with my team

we could just be bad, idk

very much didn't feel like the slow, methodical strategic game that I play when I load up bulwark

[karmic chasm]

Laws about gacha

[molten pulsar]

It's definitely a perspective thing of some sort on your end. Like... YES, there are some differences, but at their cores, they are both about fighting alongside structures you build to defend a point, as well as enhancing and building more structures as you go. Objectively speaking, this is just true.

[molten pulsar]

Some waves were more stressful during Brave, making them feel more fast paced, I'll give you that!

[bold thunder]

I'd argue this is a question of how much of the gamemodes you abstract away

at their core, both nightfall strikes and calamity are strikes you play at a negative light delta

I'm not sure I'd say the experience/gameplay for the two modes feel very similar to me though

[karmic chasm]

Nightfalls were steady paced

Calamity is adhd sim

[open sluice]

nah i mean coop

[molten pulsar]

That's different, because we're comparing higher difficulty strikes against each other. Like... With that comparison, you have to focus on the minor differences, because there are so many potential variations on how to make strikes hard mode.

[open sluice]

matchmaking dude aint pass 7

[bold thunder]

I can hop in for a coop run if you're free now

[open sluice]

we need one more

[karmic chasm]

I’m here

What are we playing

[bold thunder]

problem solved, we have one more

[karmic chasm]

Ohhhh bulwark

[bold thunder]

coop bulwark

[open sluice]

bulkwark coop 15 and quit

[karmic chasm]

Uhhh I’m not done unlocking it lmaooo

I hate bulwark

[open sluice]

ouf

[bold thunder]

ah rip

[karmic chasm]

Sorry guys

Any other activity and I’m ready lol

[bold thunder]

that's fair, the analogy may not be a very good one

[karmic chasm]

Even master calamity (kinda)

[bold thunder]

haha np

[molten pulsar]

Plus, Strikes are a core part of Destiny. Onslaught is (for now) more of a side mode, while Bulwark Ops is kinda a side mode? It's where Shifting Gates is, so it's a side mode in that sense.

[bold thunder]

I mean I'd argue calamity is also a core mode, so that part of the analogy holds

[molten pulsar]

It's a variation on strikes, so it is by default with Nightfalls

[karmic chasm]

How about instead of debating calamity we hold hands and play it

I’m in the mood to get master 1 unchanged baby

[bold thunder]

tbh idk the last time I played calamity

been a while at least

[molten pulsar]

With Onslaught vs Bulwark Ops, there are differences, as I've said. However, Bulwark Ops is essentially tower defense where you play as a Lightbearer alongside your towers. In tower defense games, you usually don't do that. When you do, you sort of cross into that area where it might be a horde-defense type game. So, while they will quite obviously feel different, they are also quite similar.

And honestly, I think NetEase should have looked at Onslaught instead of trying Bulwark Ops. Our weapons doing such low damage feels bad. Also, the viable tower variety is too low.

Don't get me wrong: Bulwark Ops has potential, but it needs a LOT of change.

[open sluice]

yeah rn is hoof + buff anesthesia

[molten pulsar]

Pretty much.

Anyways, I gotta go. I have work tomorrow and I wanna do some stuff before bed. Laters, nerds.

[twilit thistle]

😭 i thought I finally beat @heady fulcrum and it wasn’t even a fair match

[bold thunder]

counterpoint, orcs must die, one of the more famous early TD games

which imo is a much closer analogue to bulwark than onslaught

[open sluice]

Wuwa tower orcs must die mode was fun to

[molten pulsar]

Horde defense

[prisma nest]

hmmm have yall tried diablo immortal 🤔

[twilit thistle]

[sinful totem]

Fortnite Save The World

[sinful totem]

I’m hoping I can get t4 hoof and anesthesia soon

[open sluice]

500 dol for a gem? hell no

[bold thunder]

t4 hoof doesn't work

super strong if they fix it though

t4 anes is op

[sinful totem]

Is this mode gonna be a limited time thing or permanent

[bold thunder]

sounds like it's permanent but towers will reset every couple months

[simple plank]

Can we get dart monkey

[bold thunder]

yes pls

[twilit thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/bloons-btd6-bloons-tower-defense-bloons-tower-defense6-balloons-tower-defense-gif-20760613

[simple plank]

Not even a monkey bro

[bold thunder]

eh probably a monkey inside

[twilit thistle]

Made by monkeys.

[primal imp]

how to access pack banner? we are already at pack lvl 8

[empty kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[prisma nest]

hmm i didn't see that

[scenic wigeon]

Pain...

Solo fulminator master challange

55 minuites...

Piercing shinkas too so long to down

[prisma nest]

lol trying to do jarens job

[scenic wigeon]

Considering that took half my battery... :|

[prisma nest]

just

destiny 1 mobile when

[stone mantle]

Could anyone help with calamity ops just getting back to the game and am operative 1?