💬│windrose-chat

[zenith pawn]

ik :P

[spiral quiver]

i watched some stuff on x86 the other night , looks like they might be upgrading and getting rid of legacy to make it more competetive with linux

you remember years ago the us gove went after microsoft for market dominence..then realized they can't actually survive without it? lol

[zenith pawn]

bruh XD

[spiral quiver]

at the time ol gates was the richest man on the planet , and they actually went after him lol..i was like wow really

then like a year into the suit someone with a brain stood up and went ..um guys , we can't actually run the gov without his software , maybe back off? lol

morons heh

[zenith pawn]

imo windows and microsoft is full of bs these days
I'll happily ditch windows when the chance comes

[spiral quiver]

it is 100% , i wish all these guys working on 100 diff versions of linux would actually get together and make 1 cohesive version

[zenith pawn]

steamOS definitely has a chance to become big :P
its just gonna take time

[spiral quiver]

it works right now , problem is video drivers from what i've seen , both nvidia and amd are kind of waiting on it's final version for pc

[zenith pawn]

yeah and very fewer games support linux rn than windows

[spiral quiver]

the video i watched , they had to backup to an rtx card and an older amd cpu to make it work , but they did get it working and stable and played games on pc from it

[zenith pawn]

atleast its getting much better :P

[spiral quiver]

it was cool to watch , they had to install from a usb download and make a virtual boot disk

[zenith pawn]

even pewdiepie switched to linux XD

[spiral quiver]

welp..gonna put some time in on my project ugg , wanna get my ui and backpack interface done this weekend , cya

i just saw yar blink on for a sec , make sure you beg him for some access this weekend for us lol

[zenith pawn]

XD oke

[median beacon]

What is the early access date for the game?

[zenith pawn]

end of 2026

[median beacon]

oh

[zenith pawn]

its still very early in development

[surreal sierra]

Full release is planned for Q4 2026. Early access will be, well, earlier

Early access will be in 2026, but we dont have a confirmed date just yet

[median beacon]

thanks

[zenith pawn]

I wonder how a game can take less than 1 year to make :P

unless they worked on it for a long time before announcing it

[lofty basin]

I mean you managed to find the answer yourself :D

[zenith pawn]

lol :P

[spiral quiver]

dammit , time to behave , lilly is on

[distant mountain]

Awh seems we lost some members

[zenith pawn]

atleast its only some :P

[spiral quiver]

yeah , people who wanted pvp or full on mmo

the people who wanted pvp were ragingly ticked off and rage quit

[spark prism]

Someone should add “when is early access scheduled to release?” on the #1298583059402063926 channel. <@&1354821664998817822>

Also, is there going to be another opportunity to playtest the game before then? Perhaps a demo? And if so, when?

[surreal sierra]

We would if we knew when

Unfortunatly all we have to work with is 'Early Access will launch in 2026'

[spiral quiver]

i'd love to see one during the xmas break

but , that being said , there is a huge gameplay rework that needs done now since the announcements the other day

[spark prism]

I get that. I still think it would be useful to have it there, then you can just update the post later as new updates come out. I imagine MANY people come in just to get that question answered

[zealous crypt]

I actually am so painfully excited for this game i kind of have the same shakes you get when you haven't had beer in a while

I wonder how immersive is the Character customization and hair types i hope i can put myself as close as i can get into the game if that makes sense

[ruby badge]

welcome aboard 😄

[blazing jungle]

Not intention we have aside from the planned year and approximate quarter. There will be more play tests before then, yes. If you're suggesting this cause you're tired of seeing this question asked constantly.... Well, we are too 😅 but honestly most people who ask don't bother reading the faq at all ☠️

[bitter prawn]

Hello does anyone know roughly when the next beta play test will be?

[surreal sierra]

Unfortunatly no

[river night]

Ya know what would be fun? a way to capture the flags of enemy factions so you can sneak up on enamy ships (as pirates did). and imo, the larger flags these ships had mounted on the aft spanker (laugh it up go ahead) would add another level of vibes

[zenith pawn]

That would be really cool actually :D

[river night]

like these things...

historically accurate and cool af imo, these massive flags could also be a way to tell whos ship it is at a distance before the names and health bars show up (especially if you can make you own which im praying we can at some point)

[zenith pawn]

Ac black flag had a mission where you put on a different faction flag and you'd sail past the ships of that faction undetected :]

[river night]

yeah, it was a common tactic in piracy, use the flag of another nation to get close before you raise the black and "borrow" their things

[river night]

also, topsail schooner plz i beg

[spiral quiver]

we need the nautilus ingame heh

the current show on amc's version , it's pretty badass

[river night]

or some smaller three masted ships like a barque or smaller frigates, like smaller 5th rates (trincomolee, surprise, rattlesnake) some two masted ships to bridge the gap like schooners and brigantines

[river night]

subs didnt come about until the 19th century but an easteregg to some of the early ones would be funny

[spiral quiver]

hey , according to the show ( lol ) it's in the timeline

well , the books too..JUST SAYING

and actually , the first demonstrated working sub was built in the 1620's i think?

in holland ?

[zenith pawn]

Imo subs dont fit in pirate games

[spiral quiver]

nemo was technically a pirate..just saying

the show is actually pretty good , have you seen it?

[zenith pawn]

Nope
I dont really watch shows, or movies

There are too few moves/shows that interest me.

Only thing I care about now is getting a car and going offroad XD

[queen prawn]

h

[spiral quiver]

wanna borrow my gladiator? 😛

[zenith pawn]

U have a gladiator :P
Im very interested in a wrangler :D

Been my favorite car as soon as I saw it

[spiral quiver]

yes i do , launch edition black on black

[zenith pawn]

Nice :P

[spiral quiver]

number 242

i can run out to the drive and snap some pics

[zenith pawn]

oke :P

[spiral quiver]

3 jeeps in my driveway , im the adopted one lol

used to be 5 , but mom passed and daughter moved heh

[zenith pawn]

bruh XD
I'm thinking of getting 2
The sahara and rubicon

those will be the only cars I own the rest of my life XD

[spiral quiver]

i would actually wait if youre thinking rubicon, jeep just announced last week the hemi is coming back next yr and is going in all square bodies

[zenith pawn]

yeah ik
also jeep got a better CEO now so things seem to be getting better, and hopefully a little cheaper :P

I keep watching videos of jeep news

[spiral quiver]

yup he just came in and said he's saving the hemi 😛 i love that dude

[zenith pawn]

yeh :P

[spiral quiver]

ok 1 sec putting shoes on

[zenith pawn]

just casually talking about cars in a pirate discord server :]

[spiral quiver]

lol

i'll post them in off topic

[zenith pawn]

yee

[river night]

fun fact, most sub captains during the first and early second world war would be considered pirates as the law of war they had to follow basically said that in order to engage a ship they had to surfacew, so often when theyd go for unarmed merchants they ended up just setealing the merchant fleet

[river night]

1775 but i guess you could technically have it in game

[spiral quiver]

The first submarine built with reliable documentation is Cornelius Drebbel's submarine, constructed in 1620. Drebbel, a Dutch inventor working for the English Royal Navy

[icy stump]

Would love to test this game out and even stream it while testing

My Crew and I love Pirate games and also love building survival games

[granite oxide]

@icy stump #│announcements message Won't be too long 🙂

[spiral quiver]

welp..gonna have to wait with the rest of us i guess

[raven dagger]

i feel itll be a few months at least

[spiral quiver]

i was hoping for a beta over the xmas break , but the announcement the other day makes it so that might not be possible

[raven dagger]

kinda want to finish my builds lol, offline wouldve been nice to leave us with til next test

[raven dagger]

oh yeah sometime in 2026 probably means the second half

[spiral quiver]

no i mean , before they decided to change everything

now with the announced changes i doubt they will be done make the changes that need done bfore the xmas break to have another beta during the break

[raven dagger]

at least they gave us a rough timeframe, there wont be a beta though, going to EA in 26 so definitely nothing for christmas

[spiral quiver]

yeah 🙁

maybe in the spring though

i mean , i dunno how they have the landmass , niagra water systems setup or the map,minimap , depending if they future proofed it we might get another beta over the break , who knows

[raven dagger]

they arent sure they can get ea ready for 26 it might even be 27, thats how long we may have to wait, if they had said will be ea in 26 then sure, maybe spring but im reading it definitely wont be first half of 26

[spiral quiver]

im not saying ea..im saying another crack at a beta

[raven dagger]

they siad their next focus IS ea, wont be a beta unless im mistaken, imma go reread it

hmmm maybe a beta 👍

[spiral quiver]

seeee 🙂

[raven dagger]

is my guess now after rereading, i kinda skimmed it 1st time

[spiral quiver]

BUT , that depends on how quickly they can move tortuge from instance onto it's own island on the map , then rework the water ,minimap systems

[raven dagger]

but im still saying maybe haha but beter than definitely not

im only saying that because they may want to test a few things before ea, so the things you mentioned theyd want testing but i dont see the need for haste, beta might be june 26 🤷‍♂️

hope not i need another game before then lol

[spiral quiver]

i also predicted cross play and consoles right after the beta ened,,boy did i catch flack for that lol

[mild sky]

I just found this beauty and missed the beta 🙁 How can I buy an alpha edition. this seems like the pirate game of my dreams. I also really like that pvp isnt fully off the table

[fast orchid]

Just gotta wait for them to put it out, keep an eye out in #│announcements for when they do

[mild sky]

🙁 damn. from what I have seen, this seems like a combo of sea of thieves and Atlas

or more so if Atlas was actually good

[spiral quiver]

sea , ya'll might as well just delete the dam news channel lol

[fast orchid]

Huh

[grave wharf]

How do we play this early? Thought that would be in the FAQ

[winged wind]

right now you can't. There was a playtest like a month ago, there might be another one at some point

[grave wharf]

any release date?

[surreal sierra]

Full release is planned for Q4 2026

Early access will be sometime in 2026 but we don’t quite know when exactly as no definitive dates have been given

[grave wharf]

Yikes okay ty

[raven dagger]

its actually closer to valheim than sot, its kind of nothing like sot apart from both being pirate themed

[dense falcon]

Very interesting direction they've chosen to go with the game. I still hold hope for PvP as that's one of the biggest things that the market is really missing is a good, serious, not goofy pvp pirate game

Looks like it's going the direction of Assassin's Creed: Blackflag for naval battles which is definitely a great thing. Survival games are pretty oversaturated, but it is what it is.
From what I saw of people playing the alpha, base building's nice.

Glad it's going a paid route, as the game's quality is high and the developers deserve to get paid for their work without having to resort to premium content packs or microtransactions.

[ruby badge]

how do you guys feel about ships having "spechial abilites" ?

is it immersion breaking or could be good if done right ?

[half harness]

Judging solely on the descriptions of the ships. It looks like some might better for combat, travel or hauling.
I just wonder if for Co-op if everyone gets their own ship to command or if everyone can dogpile on to one persons ship.

[ruby badge]

I would assume each one can summon their own ship and also has the option to be on another player ship

[foggy depot]

Goodmorning i like the new trailer , this game is 🔥🔥

[mild sky]

interesting. can you have NPC crew members? if you are solo

[zenith pawn]

yes. even when you play coop or on a dedicated server

[ruby badge]

I believe even if you have other players in your world they will still be NPC cr ew

[mild sky]

and I assume you build ships?

[ruby badge]

yes you can craft them

[zenith pawn]

you craft prebuilt ships

[mild sky]

now that is an intetesting concept

so what makes it more like valheim?

[zenith pawn]

the whole survival part

more like enshrouded, but yeah

[raven dagger]

the crafting and building etc..., none of which is in sot

[mild sky]

interesting. I wanted to play enshrouded

[ruby badge]

its the most logical gameplay approach if you ask me, I don't get why people like the Sea of thieves way of controlling ships, if you have an npc crew you can have more interesting gameplay loop, and if you very big ships like a frigate or a galleon or ship of the line, it almost impossible to control those using the same systems as sea of thieves

[zenith pawn]

the game is basically a mix of AC black flag, enshrouded and valheim

naval combat, survival, land combat, boss fights, etc

[raven dagger]

the naval is like skull and bones, not seen black flag so cant comment but naval wont be the big drawcard it will be the survival element

[mild sky]

have you played Atlas? It is a very failed pathetic pirate game that the makers of Ark did a while back and then abandoned. this seems similar

[ruby badge]

the naval is more like black flag, cause skull and bones is not really like black flag, they changed a lot of the systems

[mild sky]

ok you sold me

[zenith pawn]

I think both naval and survival aspect will be worked on equally, not sure tho

[mild sky]

ya I heard with Skull and bones you cant board other ships or go in first person which is insane

[ruby badge]

though please keep in mind that PVP is not really a thing in this game at least for now, so make sure you're aware of this piece of infomration

[raven dagger]

they like it because in pvp sot naval combat is unmatched and tbh theres nothing that attempts to imitate it, wouldnt work for this as its basically most of the coding

[zenith pawn]

you can technically board in S&B but it instantly makes you win with a cutscene XD

[mild sky]

yes. I am happy to know this upfront. When Valheim came out I wasnt fully aware of it and was SUPER mad

[raven dagger]

having played both crosswind and snb and not black flag ill stand by my comment lol

[ruby badge]

I'm just saying it will be hard to implement it for big ships, you will need like 30 players at least for a ship like the frigate to work

[raven dagger]

i mean boarding in this is basically ai while you try to help lol

[mild sky]

ya thata pathetic since AC4 boarding was sick

[zenith pawn]

yeah AC4 had epic boarding

[mild sky]

ya but your still swingimg and boarding the enemies ship?

with no cut scene

[zenith pawn]

boarding is similar to ac4, in crosswind

[raven dagger]

yeah you couldnt as like i said its most of the coding, the whole game revolves around it unlike this

[mild sky]

right so you sold me

[ruby badge]

yes the boarding is exactly like black flag from what I've seen

[spiral quiver]

its better to stay back and blast away with the muskett

that top tier one really friggin smokes them

[mild sky]

ya sold. If its AC4 but with crafting. I am so in. Its what I wanted from skull and bones but ubisoft doesnt know how to make a good game past black flag

[zenith pawn]

cool :P

[raven dagger]

you can though hopefully they work on it some more as you basically insta die if any enemy ai touches you so you end up in a support role shooting things but you could tell it was still in its rudimentary phase to give people a feel

[ruby badge]

many people who liked black flag just wanted more of this but without the assassins part

[spiral quiver]

you dont instantly die , ever heard of dodge or block? lol

[ruby badge]

its also that the way ubisoft handle exploring is very formulaic and kills the element of suprise

[zenith pawn]

yeah I didnt like the assassins part very much, way too many tailing missions.

[ruby badge]

whenever I think about playing black flag I completely dismiss the idea when I remember all the tailing missions

[spiral quiver]

besides , the top tier musket 1 shots during boarding in this game

[raven dagger]

the crafting and building is already better than some released games

[ruby badge]

its also that you need like 2 hours of boring modern day stuff just to get the story going and get to edward

[zenith pawn]

like bro lemme bulldoze through everything, why u gotta make me lose as soon as I get spotted XD

[raven dagger]

i have and you can and do or you wouldnt stand back firing your musket lol, youd be frontline

[spiral quiver]

i do both

[raven dagger]

cool 👍

[zenith pawn]

imo blunderbuss will make crew fighting even more fun :P
I wanna get close range and blast an enemies head off XD

[spiral quiver]

well then you werent upgraded if youre dying during boarding or something , i never died once during a boarding

[raven dagger]

cool 👍

[spiral quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-gif-5958854468941694453

im done , didnt notice jee was on lol

[raven dagger]

mate if you want to flex your skill on a pve alpha go right ahead but i aint interested in entertaining you so good for you thats very cool 👍

[spiral quiver]

not my fault you cant board

[zenith pawn]

[spiral quiver]

okok , im done

[surreal sierra]

Im not the bogeyman lmao

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-pirate-captain-ocean-gif-16296042634591047056

[spiral quiver]

im always getting warnings lol

[ruby badge]

I wonder if we will ever get wacky guns like these

[zenith pawn]

would be cool actually

But I just want blunderbuss :P

[spiral quiver]

one of these days im gonna catch you in a rare mood and get the ban hammer heh

[ruby badge]

that moment when you're chilling and davy johns invade you

[spiral quiver]

and i activily try not to make you do your job ..but man , sometimes its really really hard ya know

[zenith pawn]

when you sink/die, there should be a respawn animation where davy jones brings you and your ship back up :P

[spiral quiver]

o hey wanna see soemthing cool?

[ruby badge]

that sounds cool

[zenith pawn]

yeah, and respawning would make alot of sense that way

[distant mountain]

Boogeyman

[spiral quiver]

my baby sis painted this for me

[mild sky]

@raven dagger and @ruby badge agreed. but good to know. Ya we need a good pirate game. Atlas really pissed me and a lot of people off

how many players do they define as "co op" and I assume there is NPC ships you can battle

[zenith pawn]

idk about the player cap
But there will be npc ships and enemies
There will also be dedicated server hosting, so if the player cap isn't too limited, big community servers could become a thing

and modding :P

[ruby badge]

for me I've been disappointed by atlas, skull and bones, and sea of thieves, so you can say that this game for me is like the last remaining hope for a good pirate experience game

[zenith pawn]

same, been waiting for a game like crosswind for years XD

when I saw the steam page I thought I was dreaming

[ruby badge]

in the alpha test I believe you could invite 3 people to your world, this might be subject to change of course

and yes you fight other npc factions in the game, there was for example a faction under blackbeard control they were the most enemies you encoutner in the sea and land

there was also other creatures you could fight, like enemies called the drowned they're basically zombies, there was also creatures that looked like plants or tree people and few cool boss fights in each biome

[ruby badge]

yes, me and my friend really got excited, just the thought of us leading our own ships and fighting other fleets and factions

its also that for me its not just about the fighting or the crafting, but its also mostly about the mood and the escapisim

[zenith pawn]

Not really a fleet guy, personally I'll take my galleon in and bulldoze through everything XD

[ruby badge]

like in their recent trailer they showed how Tortuga has this very creepy blue mist with all the ship wrecks and stuff like that, this is the kind of things I really like about pirates stories and tales and the Lovecraftian vibes

[zenith pawn]

yeah, I really like the atmosphere and overall concept :P

[ruby badge]

so for me I will probably spend my time just sailing or chilling

real life can really drive you crazy sometimes, and games has been my only real mean of escapism recently

[zenith pawn]

very relatable XD

I wonder if there will be factions beyond pirates :P

[ruby badge]

probably

[surreal sierra]

I was always hoping for official servers myself. However having that safety net against PvP sweats is always a good thing to protect players who have 0 interest in PvP and prefer to go their own pace

Perhaps one day in the future there will be a switch to an official online server. Who knows

[zenith pawn]

official servers is cool in my book as long as its not the only option for people to play on
Like I could totally see a game with singleplayer coop and joinable official servers work, yk what I mean? :P

[surreal sierra]

I know exactly what you mean and I was thinking the same thing. I personally would love the ability to play in my world solo but then be able to hop into an official server to sail around with, interact and possibly battle other community members. All at my own pace

[zenith pawn]

yeah, I totally agree :P

[mild sky]

A MEN. AAAMMMEEENNN

[shrewd arch]

I’m really excited about the news around this game. It’s refreshing to have a more PvE focused pirate game. I know Skull and Bones and World of Sea Battle can be PvE focused but Crosswind seems like so much more of a breath of fresh air than SnB

[ruby badge]

welcome aboard mate

[zenith pawn]

hallo :D

[hallow night]

Welcome aboard! Yep! They are ticking all the right boxes for me too. I'm a huge Valheim player and there are many many similarities thankfully!

[quartz pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-unhappy-grumpy-cat-cat-cute-gif-15044251

[zenith pawn]

big ship :P

[shrewd arch]

Vasa my beloved ❤️

[umbral bridge]

Good evening PVE-Chads ❤️

[foggy depot]

but dit i miss soething the say early accses trailer is there a dat yet

[zenith pawn]

sometime in 2026

[hard fog]

just waiting for the day i’ll finally be able to play this masterpiece 🖤

[vague radish]

pretty sure we all are, and i feel like that when this game comes out ill finally be able to say goodbye to valheim, and have the next big time sink ahead of me

[quaint kestrel]

does anyone know if there will be another round of alpha codes?

code

[fast orchid]

Probably not seeing as alpha is over

[bitter slate]

i would literally pay twice the asking value to just play it now lmao
it was a great alpha and i cant wait for early access next year. Great job Devs!

[jagged onyx]

will there be antoher beta before the game releases

[hallow night]

We all sure hope so, as it's planned to be released Q4 2026. Keep an eye on #│announcements channel so that you may know about if there are any more playtests coming.

[edgy saddle]

Wishing ya'll a great day 🙂

[half harness]

I'm really hoping this game can give me the same vibes I got when I started sailing in Valhiem.

[bronze solstice]

hey there

[frozen lily]

This looks like a possible replacement for Atlas.. and that makes me happy.

[meager haven]

YARRRGY

[vagrant dagger]

Just came across this game randomly with my morning scrolling and have to say, I’m really excited for it! Craving more survival games after Dune: Awakening and grew up playing Sid Meier’s Pirates so this is a dream. 🙌

[foggy depot]

when is next playtest is there some info about

[surreal sierra]

Not yet. Keep an eye on #│announcements for when info does drop

[zenith pawn]

what are those last words XD

[surreal sierra]

A humble typo. I’m travelling rn and mobile discord kinda sucky

[zenith pawn]

it was funny tho :P

[grand pier]

So the game is going to be buy to play now?

[zenith pawn]

yep

[distant mountain]

Boi got some random friend request… instant deny…

[naive hinge]

Bonjour everyone 👋

[jade urchin]

Any info on "release date"?

[granite oxide]

@jade urchin If all goes well near the end of 2026, however see the news and this post on Early access coming here #│announcements message

[jade urchin]

Thank you

[idle lotus]

I wonder if we'll have crew on deck for the NPC ships, too- now that it's on player ships (at least in the dev teaser) it definitely makes the still crewless Blackbeard Ships look funny, even with the new coat of paint

[ruby badge]

when you board enemy ships they do have crews you can fight, so I assume they will be added later

[misty crane]

just joined discord I am so looking forward to this game I love building and pirates this is going to be my go to game for daily play Look out people Lady Lizzy is on deck

[ruby badge]

Welcome aboard

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-davy-gif-27098006

[north perch]

when coming out?

[half harness]

Sometime in 2026, keep an eye out in the #│announcements channel for more info.

[steady fog]

But ea is 2026 too? I waited this Game to this year 😦

[half harness]

The Devblog said they are aiming to go into Early Acess in 2026, with the game having some substance. I suggest you go read it, its got all sorts of neat tidbits.

[spring mauve]

new trailer looks great - hoping there will be option to play undead/corrupted even if a DLC 🙂

[steady fog]

Too late 😦

[hallow night]

It's a great thing and most of us are quite happy that it's "late". That means the dev team will iron out every detail, listen to feedback, improve and update all parts of the game and give us an actual finished product instead of a rushed, bad game.

[steel mountain]

good luck tho

[zinc stratus]

does this game have a closed beta?
loved the videos and when i read it was inspired by black flag really felt like giving it a try i am a huge blackflag fan and have completed it 4 time
lmk if you guys are letting ppl test the game
hope to see the game released soon

[north perch]

tysmm

[granite oxide]

@zinc stratus No beta, Still in Alpha - the Alpha Playtest ended recently. Keep an eye on #│announcements , anything on the game will be posted there as was the Early Access that is planned.

The playtest ran for a month.

[subtle ibex]

I'm hoping that crosswind has sea monster bosses and hopefully underwater exploration like remember that one scene from pirates of the Caribbean when skeleton crew would swim underwater and attack your ship? Like imagine unknowingly sailing over ruins and that happens hi I'm new btw

[ruby badge]

welcome aboard!

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-to-the-crew-lad-davy-jones-potc-liars-dice-jack-sparrow-gif-22528510

[quick sage]

The fact that im gonna be able to host my own server, made me even more hyped

[lament atlas]

Bruh no more pvp, agony, bring it back

[zenith pawn]

no one said its gone

[steady fog]

Yeah thats true more work better Game, but I have no key now this test and wanna play it again 😄

[surreal sierra]

It’s probably not a permanent change. But since the devs have only recently announced the shift to pve focus, PvP is still likely a long way off

[elder rune]

No PvP means another boring short Life farm simulator....sad to hear this

[shrewd arch]

If only there were a million other PvP focal naval combat games on the market.

[raven dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/therethere-feel-better-headpat-headpats-headpatsduck-gif-2423808354704986102

[foggy depot]

meby they focus first on the PVE. and then the pvp later

[elder rune]

Haha i can tell people gettin mad already bout my opinion. I mean, these kinda of games should have option to be played as pve or PvP.

[surreal sierra]

Well, we support everyone’s opinions as not everyone will agree. We’ve had a fair few people voice their opinion on the PvP change in a ‘less than polite’ way.

However as Yar has said in the past, PvP is not gone permanently. It’s shelved for the time being until the developers can finish their current workload.

So PvP may still make an appearance again in the future. But it’s still far, far too early to know for sure

[zenith pawn]

some pvp players are just sad cuz they can't bully no more

[elder rune]

Ive seen so many many games around. And after the intial hype most pve games onle just die...gets repetitive without the competitive Part of It while PvP ones remains forever.

[zenith pawn]

since dedicated server hosting is gonna exist, they'll probably add optional pvp later

[river night]

R pvp areas, possibilities are endless with their unique take on the travel system

[elder rune]

How can someone get bullied on a video Game?? 😂 Imagine football matches with everyone on the same team. Amazing , right? 🙂

Exciting!

[zenith pawn]

pvp sweats killing players who just wanna have some fun 10x over and over again

[neon mural]

I have seen it all while working support for different publishers, you would be shocked at some of the childish things people do to other players if given the chance.

[elder rune]

What games? Most games always a pve dedicated servers

[zenith pawn]

games like sea of thieves (for example)
but thats just forced pvp
if pvp is optional then its totally fine

[elder rune]

Ive played ark, Conan, atlas, rust, soulmask, last oasis, Dune awakening, new world, myth of empires...

[neon mural]

didn't even list valheim

[zenith pawn]

also that message was a joke, not serious

[elder rune]

And yeah sometimes you get wiped by some stronger players or clans but sometimes you have great fights and you make cool lads out of It.

[elder rune]

I get bored of coop very fast

[neon mural]

well this game isn't like that, you invite the people into your game

i mean, it's more like valheim in that way

[elder rune]

Gotcha

[zenith pawn]

just remember, dedicated servers will also exist

[neon mural]

no random players showing up to ruin your sand castle type thing. though they will probably end up having pvp, I think it will be more ship battle focused than base raiding.

idk, we have no info yet on it, they haven't really decided how they want to do pvp

[elder rune]

Would be great to have your pirate crew sailing the seas and having conpetition over good POI s or treasures

[neon mural]

allowing mods is something they should probably think about, this would be a fun game to mod, but they would have to change a few things to allow it.
There is a mod for valheim that you can que for a pvp battle, it then teleports the players to an arena, has a scoreboard, teleports them home after the match.

[zenith pawn]

in the faq the dev already mentioned modding, so its definitely gonna be possible

[neon mural]

nice, yeah, they were using streaming assets and their own server during the first test, so that is kinda the changes they may make then.

[zenith pawn]

they direction the game is going now makes modding 100% possible :D

[shrewd arch]

I don’t think the game will die by favoring PvE, and I think PvP would be fine, but I would not enjoy it in a forced environment like Sea of Thieves.

[zenith pawn]

I totally agree with this

[quartz pivot]

So, I have arrived back where I started in my annual journey around the sun. Funny, it doesn't look much different than it did.

[granite oxide]

@shrewd arch if they do add it in it will not be in a forced environment - that was made clear long ago. It is just shelved for now - Smart move on their part. Reason is if they focus on the pve aspect and get it done and polished, they have a game to release - PVP is an entirely different animal when it comes to merging that with pve - it can be done in a way that is fun without being punishing and intrusive. Will they add it or not we will not know until much later in development - I personally would not rule it out because a lot of players want that aspect added in. Valheim was and still is very Successful - I Already love this more than Valheim - especially with the pirate theme and everything that goes with it. Super excited for all the passion and hard work this team is putting into it. They are remarkable.

I would love to see modding 🙂

[quartz pivot]

Really, go scam elsewhere, mate.

[pearl brook]

<@&1354821664998817822> Not sure if @ing this role is acceptable for this but there's this.

[fast orchid]

Thanks

[pearl brook]

❤️

[blazing jungle]

acceptable if there's fires to be put out for sure. Thanks!

[bronze solstice]

cant wait to try this game out

[surreal sierra]

Spot on! I’ll always repeat this for people to see this but if there’s any reason you guys need us please don’t hesitate to ping us. If it’s someone causing problems, a bot posting scam links then it’s always acceptable and encouraged to contact us. We’d rather get a ping to deal with something important or rule breaking than not be pinged only to find out hours later

[half harness]

These totally reminded me of on how in Valhiem you had to mark your own POIs, god that was fun.

[zenith pawn]

yeah, marking your own poi after finding it is cool :D

I prefer it over seeing a pre marked one

[quartz pivot]

Heh, my map was covered with little dots labeled CU for copper.

[half harness]

It felt like discovery, like you were charting something new. Admittedly there was a lot of sea monster marks on my map where I saw them show up.

[raven dagger]

the pvp would not have been anywhere near as good as the pve so it makes sense they would pivot too

[raven dagger]

why buy it if you know it has forced pvp? that has always bugged me about people, they then made safer seas so pvers got what they said they wanted then complained it had lesser rewards, its crazy the entitlement of some groups of players and they call pvprs toxic 🤦‍♂️

[zenith pawn]

I never bought it XD

[raven dagger]

then why comment on its defieciencies having not played it?

sot is this, sot is that....oh i also never played it 🤦‍♂️

[zenith pawn]

cuz I know forced pvp in general is not great, especially for people who just want to play for enjoyment and chill

and I did play it on a friend's computer and had the game family shared quite a few times

I just dont own it myself

[jovial flower]

This game is buy to play now?

[fast orchid]

Ok speaking as someone who's still upset about safer seas that's a misrepresentation of the majority upset with safer seas,
The stuff we were upset about was locking PVE content behind a forced pvp mode and justifying it as a tutorial.
The lesser rewards were fine, what we wanted was the ability to play content in peace and with them not including any of endgame + removing over half the QOL updates like captaincy and just just saying "then go into the toxic parts if you want QOL"

[fast orchid]

It is!

It's not out yet but is planned to have early access sometime in late 2026

[raven dagger]

i bought it knowing it had forced pvp and got sunk ALOT, the learning curve is stupidly high. It forced me to make friends that i still have irl today, they taught me to pvp and by the end of my time it was the only thing i enjoyed. Forced pvp is not always the boogeyman people assume but its not hidden? if you dont like that dont buy games with it in it then complain about it?

[jovial flower]

Okii thanks, but this game was marketed as f2p before right?

[zenith pawn]

I never complained about it?
I just said I dont like sea of thieves cuz of forced pvp
simple

anyone can not like a game for having something even if not owning it

[fast orchid]

It used to be but after the recent alpha they decided to shift focus to a game they had full confidence they could make perfect and with the feedback given it then made more sence for the game to go B2P instead of F2P

[jovial flower]

I see, thanks for the info

[fast orchid]

No problem

[raven dagger]

because its not meant to be pve servers, its a concession to those sick of being sunk and just want to "pirate" they said a million times there wont be pve servers so its not a misrepresentation you want the full game without pvp and rare gave you safer seas as a concession not as a replacement, they want you to try open world pvp if you want the full experience not sail around in safety and thats their vision for their game, just like pivoting to pve is the devs vision for crosswind which is why you see pvprs complain....dont buy it if you dont like it

[raven dagger]

so saying getting killed by sweats 10x over while your trying to have fun was a recommendation? lol

[zenith pawn]

It was an example not a recommendation

and its not a non existant issue that can occur in pvp enabled games

[raven dagger]

it was an example of something bad which generally is a complaint if its in relation to an activity

but i think ive said my piece ill get off my soapbox now, no offence to anyone

[fast orchid]

I'm saying it was a misrepresentation of what the complaint to safer seas was not misrepresentation of the overall situation, we're fine with limited content and even fine with heavily nerfed rewards, but they called it an extended tutorial then taught nothing about game in there and just removed PVP, there's nothing in there about how captaincy works or how to use any of the late game mechanics like the ones you see in Athenas specific quests, even if they let you do a limited amount of those things and nerfed the rewards heavily it would have been better than calling it a tutorial and not using it to teach you anything about how a lot of their major components work

[raven dagger]

first ive heard it called a tutorial tbh

there is a basic tutorial

where did you find anything suggesting its a tutorial? i cant find anything?

[fast orchid]

"Safer Seas is an extended tutorial for new players to ease into Higher Seas. It offers a solo ship experience to eliminate PvP and provide a simple but restricted learning experience."

Ok what doesn't help is that I have this from a personal rant from a while ago and now I wanted to get screen shot context as to the fact that this was on the SoT forums that a rare employee responded too but they also delete any post I make on safer seas so I can't go back and find the exact employee without digging through the wayback

Either way that's just my piece on it, it does work exactly like you say, I don't like the game so I don't play it. Simple as that, I'm not gonna tell you or anyone else not to play the game, it's your free time, spend and enjoy it however you want

I just answered for you in #🎭│offtopic

[fallen plaza]

Tysm.

[raven dagger]

i stopped years ago, i dont bother with pvp anymore its too much work to maintain and gaming shouldnt be work imo and definitely nothing to do with the fact im old lol

[fast orchid]

That's a core reason why I stoppedd too lol, I definitly feel ya there

[quartz pivot]

We're just elder gamers... 😏

[last sphinx]

Hi will this game be on console

[surreal sierra]

The focus is a pc release first and foremost however a console port is likely in the future

[last sphinx]

Awesome thank you for the swift response

[surreal sierra]

https://discord.com/channels/1260209458924224542/1405542376587395143

Directly from the Devs themselves

[raven dagger]

the Eldar.... i like it 😁

[umbral bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-17474838830648097856

Devs taking notes why pvp is bad

most common reason: People can't pvp and therefore no one should be able to

[grim tiger]

I do not mind PvP, I suck, but I do not mind it. But I prefer PvE. I played WoW many moons ago and that is where I cut my teeth on PvP, but I like the way they did it, you had options and were not forced. Eventually they even seperated rewards from the two, so you could progress in one without progressing in the other for gear, because the gear was set up differently to benefit one or the other. My opinion is if it is inside an instance that you have to choose to go to, or confined to a certain area that you do not have to go to, it would give players a chance to experience it at thier own pace while still allowing those who want to be there to go often. With it being B2P, and if we are allowed to set up our own servers, I see people making a whole server PvP.

[raven dagger]

maybe read my other comments too lol

theres a few of them up there saying why people shouldnt buy pvp games if they dont want to pvp, pvp is the most exciting gameplay there is but also aging is a reality and old pvprs dont keep pvping they switch to pve, youll get old too one day and i still think id wipe you in sot 😎

[hallow night]

Its ok mate he's been doing nothing but trying to agitate people for days, since he found out PvP wasn't priority.

[raven dagger]

i like both, never understood why it has to be us vs them or the superiority complex some suffer from, sad and childish

[hallow night]

Fully agree with that.

[half harness]

There are very few times I'm down for PvP. But one of my favorite memories of SoT was going to go help someone doing a fort. Only to realize they were a group of players who had sunk us. The drive by was real painful for them as that nice gallon caught a full broadside of napalm.

[edgy saddle]

Welcome to all the new members and wishing ya'll a great day! ✨

[mellow jay]

lemme play this game rn

[fiery flint]

Anyone else think the sword block animation looks very awkward?

[hollow ingot]

Do we have an idea of when the next beta will be please ?

[icy stump]

Hoping to get a chance to try this game out soon, I have been watching all these game play previews, this is what skull and bones should have been but I think we all know how that went and where our money went as well. No wonder Davey Jones is so well off

[brazen yoke]

This game looks amazing, please tell me its almost ready to come out, even early access please

[lone pewter]

All we can do is wait for #│announcements

[raven dagger]

EA Q4 of 26 😬

[lofty basin]

Q4 was the original plan for full release.

EA is scheduled for somewhere in 2026.
No specifics.

With that said, there is currently no test session openly planned. Should this change, we will of course communicate that with all of you. Untill then we all have to be a bit patient. As you can imagine the steps required to make what was shared in the last big Devblog possible is quite a long list.

[strong sluice]

Hello, I would like to know when there will be a new Alphatest or beta to test your game.
? @fast orchid

[raven dagger]

read the comment above yours

[strong sluice]

ok thank you

[grand light]

Whazzup captains!

Doing some small press presentations at Gamescom - expect a bit more content on our current work in progress stuff soon

🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️ 🏴‍☠️

[surreal sierra]

Damn look cool! All I know is imma need one of them coins.

TLDR hand over yer loot matey

[vagrant dagger]

^^^ yes plz

[fallen plaza]

I have not been this excited about a game in a very long time. It's so painful waiting.😩 🤣

[fast orchid]

How much for a physical coin, I collect coins for my coin pouch and am fully willing to pay for shipping XD

[brazen yoke]

I can't wait to play this game, I just hope it has lots to do to keep us engaged for a long time. The videos of the game look soo good!

[half harness]

Well time to keep an ear to the ground.

[fast orchid]

Ahoy, this is your weekly seaweaver reminder to eat a lemon, they prevent scurvy!

[merry tide]

what is the most up to date status of this? No release date? Any Playtests to join?

[fast orchid]

Not yet, but hopefully news to come with them being at gamescom

[merry tide]

Sadness

[hybrid pilot]

When is that ?

[fast orchid]

Gamescom is happening rn in germany and the devs posted a pic about being there so we may have news from them soon, we can only wait and hope

[regal gust]

another game i just followed litteraly just dropped their early access date so much hype

[austere bridge]

anyone know how i am abl to play ?

there is ment to be a way to request to play atm

[red plinth]

I wanna be there so bad

[red plinth]

There is no game live atm

[austere bridge]

this streamer states u can request to play via steam some how o0 shame looks a cool game tbf

[fast orchid]

Same

[fast orchid]

It's likely an old post

[red plinth]

Its a 3 hour drive for me xD

[austere bridge]

maby states a alpha play test so duno 🙁 would of liked to review it as had 4k hours in atlas

[fast orchid]

DX for me its a long flight because I'm in Canada

[fast orchid]

There was perviously but it has since ended

[red plinth]

Planning to be there next year tbh. Connecting with diff streamers

[fast orchid]

If I'm lucky I'll be there too showing off a game

[red plinth]

Ill hope you come with lemons

[fast orchid]

If I'm at a con I have Lemons

[red plinth]

Would be great to see you over there

[fast orchid]

We shall see how it goes

[red plinth]

Otherwise come to twitchcon Rotterdam 😉

[fast orchid]

I'll be at sandeago twitchcon hopefully but sadly not Rotterdam

[vague radish]

oof gamescon in germany is about a 9,5 hours drive for me,

if they would visit gameforce in utrecht later this year that would be great

[fast orchid]

Lol

[minor marlin]

When is it in Rotterdam then

[fast orchid]

I'm not crosswind just to clarify so I've no clue when twitchcon Rotterdam is not if the Crosswind crew will be there

[jagged onyx]

what are some good simple to learn pvp survival games that are not super grindy, like rust. This game looked like one of them

[violet nebula]

How do I play this game😩

[hallow night]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hi-hmm-gif-27602743

[violet nebula]

??

[hallow night]

They meant to tell you, you cannot at the moment unfortunately. The alpha testing has ended a month ago and we have no word yet about next alpha/beta testing.

[solar vector]

thanks everyone for joining our fan made Crosswind Community group on facebook !!! you guys are awesome come on in and post your content we love to see it and alot of new players there chomping at the bits to play again

[violet nebula]

Man that sucks definitely gonna be waiting on it to open up again! Looks amazing and I just love pirates

[dusty scarab]

Crosswind b2p now ?
Mmmmh RIP

[daring marten]

No, a good thing.

[grand light]

What makes you say that, matey?

[quartz pivot]

They think that the devs don't deserve to be paid for their hard work.

[distant mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-sparrow-smiles-johnny-depp-gif-3829357382943597812

[ruby badge]

I've seen trash games charge 70$ and people are still buying them, so don't see why this makes you believe the game will fail, if anything it will assure that the devs support it and avoid too much microtransactions

I would rather pay and get more content than have free access and barely any content

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-reaction-captain-stare-watch-gif-15081030

and I'm gonna be even more honest

I live in the middle east, and I barely have enough money for daily life, yet I'm willing to pay for a good and quality game

even though someone in my position would want to have free to play model

[naive hinge]

Bonjour everyone

[upbeat lagoon]

Are there different size and classes of ships in this? Like will we see frigates, galleons, brigs and sloops etc? (And maybe some cool fictional ships, or “magic” ships with less realistic features)?

(And of course a man-of-war!)

[ruby badge]

the confirmed ships are:
boat
cutter
frigate
galleon
ship of the line or a man O' war

nothing is confirmed regarding magical ships, so you will have to wait till we see more of the game

this is how the ship of the line looks like but its a WIP so the apperance might change

[upbeat lagoon]

Woof

That’s sick

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/genghiskhanofficial-default-dance-fortnite-pirates-of-the-carribean-davy-jones-fortnite-gif-9812307196416545564

[river night]

Don’t forget the ketch

[ruby badge]

crosswind is now on the top 35 most wishlisted games on steam

[umbral bridge]

hey pve giga chads, good afternoon

[fast orchid]

We gotta pump those numbers up, at least get it higher than fable

[ruby badge]

giving that the game is still in alpha and barely had any marketing, I consider this to be good so far

[fast orchid]

Oh don't get me wrong this is an amazing position for the game given what limited bits of it the community has been given so far. I just think it deserves to be top 30

[ruby badge]

pretty sure it will rise higher the more updates and progress the devs make

[fast orchid]

Espically with them at Gamescom right now, they should be able to get a lot of good press there

[violet nebula]

Was the co-op aspect available during the playtest?

[fast orchid]

Yes

[woven wadi]

It was. There were a couple of streamers that had a wife or friend playing. Not many people had co-op going though because it would have needed 2 people that knew each other well to each have keys.

[fast orchid]

It's was a blast but with them trying server hosted it was definitely a tad laggy

[violet nebula]

Ok awesome hopefully me and my buddy can get a key next time it goes up

[violet nebula]

Ok that ain’t the end of the world for us luckily

[fast orchid]

Well it should be solved a lot better with them going more traditional and allowing server hosting in the full release

[zealous crypt]

I actually have refused to play any other game because of how much i want Crosswind. It's crippling

Saving myself for someone special ✨

[fast orchid]

Lmfao, I know the pain, I spent over 300 hours in the alpha and my schedule is only just now starting to really get back to normal

[zealous crypt]

Damn right! 😭🫂 🏴‍☠️

[violet nebula]

Right I just can’t wait to play it man

[lone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/no-news-is-good-news-heard-nothing-had-no-news-angel-all-is-well-gif-7403836496848269421

[little charm]

bo7 is $90 and nobodys gonna touch that game lol

[exotic grotto]

hello there is a date ?

[fast orchid]

Late 2026 is all we have sadly

[vague radish]

as i see it it can really go 2 ways,either the hype dies before the release or the hype stays and it will become one of the largest releases in the survival genre of 2026

[lone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-peggy-the-pirate-peggy-mr-krabs-arrgh-gif-11088694666447783046

[young siren]

Imo pay to play will cause a lot less ppl to give it a try. Im still in doubt myself. F2p wouldve meant I definitely wouldve tried it.

[fast orchid]

I think the B2P is ultimately the right move given the going more traditional survival craft route, let's them actually make money off the game without needing to add other weird ways to make money in this setting

That didn't come out as good as it sounded in my head, I definitly botched my wording

[vague radish]

idd have to agree with b2p is a better route, having it f2p is going to rely to much on any form of in-game shop for either progression and or cosmetic's

[zenith pawn]

it might lose the f2p players, but tons of people buy games on steam, so I dont see a problem here

And devs dont work for free :P

[young siren]

Well the way its going with pve its just not convincing me that its better than other games. But there is a chance they could surprise me if I play it, which is gonna happen for sure if its f2p. Of course they can put microtransactions in the game, or something else, theres many ways to make money on a game.

[zenith pawn]

it does not need to be better than other games to succeed.
Also there is no game that mixes AC4 black flag, enshrouded and valheim into one game.

they could release a demo maybe

[young siren]

The way the game seems to end up is like a 2026 pirates curse of the black pearl with coop. I would not spend money on it then, I already own a copy of that game, which was pretty amazing for its time. Its fine to ask money for a game but most people cant afford every game, so they gonna have to choose. Many people might buy ingame stuff if they realize its better than they thought thanks to being able to play it f2p.

[vague radish]

f2p is alot more risk to an developer though, which might end up in it dying really quick and or causing the issue there will be a lack of funds to fully complete the game

[zenith pawn]

yep, imo b2p could easily make them more money, and the devs dont have to spend money and time on optimizing or keeping servers running, so at the end they can provide a higher quality game.
And theres no need to worry about the game disappearing when support ends.

[young siren]

I was just saying it will cause less people to give it a try, not that it wont be successful. Theres a lot of games to compete with tho if you want high numbers.

[zenith pawn]

well, a demo could work
or you can watch YT videos about it.
also you can buy and refund a game within 2 hours

[neon mural]

give people a super in depth character creation and they waste their 2 hours just on that.

[zenith pawn]

if they are skeptical about the game why go so deep into creating a character?
a simple character can be created in like 5-10 mins and they can try the game

[neon mural]

lol you underestimate my need to make the weirdest looking pirate ever 😄

[fast orchid]

Actually yeah a demo for this game that only goes up to the first boss would be a really smart move, should put that in #1298615271686279208

[vague radish]

since its distributed through steam you can always try an game for 2 hours, if you dont like it you can get your money back

[fast orchid]

Yeah but sometimes people don't always have the inital funds to go through the process and demo's can be a great way for them to see if the game is worth their time and saved up money and lets them see if they enjoy it beyond the 2 hour limit, just saying it could be worth it for devs to consider

[vague radish]

for sure, some sort of progression lock in an demo

cant exactly remember which game had it, but i do know one of the games i played had it

[fast orchid]

Oh yeah 100%, hence why I said earlier just lock it to beating the first boss, it's very similar to what the alpha did but it gave players the notice post third boss instead, having it behind the first boss lets them see what kind of gameplay loop the game has to offer while still letting them look forward to more

[raven dagger]

its not really hypedto the wider community though so its nice its going in under the radar while not even in ea yet

the bulk of people dont care about f2p i feel, gaming making more than traditional media is proof of that. pricing is something else though.

[upbeat lagoon]

All the people who would’ve never spent money at all will naturally be upset about it not being f2p. But the devs can afford to update the game and fix bugs for years to come with this current pricing model so it’s better all around.

[upbeat lagoon]

F2P is awful and very expensive to maintain massive MMO servers that are required to make any money off of f2p, plus when a F2P game dies, they have to take it offline and no one can ever play it ever again. With traditional co op b2b, they could just go into maintenance mode and people can keep playing forever, or at least a long time

[raven dagger]

yup

[tardy forge]

Hello everyone. I've seen a few reviews of this game on Youtube. It looks amazing. I see that there is no demo version on Steam. I can't wait to try the game out!

[edgy saddle]

Welcome everyone! 🙂
Hope ya'll are having a great day.

[distant mountain]

You too

[obtuse hawk]

Welcome aboard matey!

[granite oxide]

Good afternoon Everyone 🙂

[stiff raft]

Good afternoon everyone

[half harness]

.

[fast orchid]

Dot

[lone kayak]

Hi

[hallow night]

[bitter slate]

I think about playing this game almost every other day.
I need another round of playtest/alpha/beta thing to happen.

[edgy saddle]

Bring the playtest!

[bitter slate]

pleeeeaaassseeeee 😂

[distant mountain]

Ello chat

[zenith pawn]

If only I could sleep until the game releases

I wouldn't mind skipping 1 year of my life :]

[proven jay]

wanna beeeeeeetaaaa

[surreal sierra]

Believe me matey we all do

The alpha was so much fun

I sucked at the pve but the Naval combat? chefs kiss

[flint scaffold]

@torpid dirge is it possible to get other beta 🙏

[young bloom]

how does one get into playtest

[hallow night]

Please, do not tag the devs.

[hallow night]

There is no playtest now, it ended over a month ago. The devs are hard at work in the background, checking all the feedback and such.

[young bloom]

ty

[surreal sierra]

We appreciate the enthusiasm however we ask that people dont ping the devs directly. They are extremely busy with developing the game. If you have questions about the current status of development then #1298583059402063926 is your best bet, or read through #│announcements for the latest info. If you cant find anything at all feel free to ping online mods individually as we're the most up-to-date on whats happening.

[violet nebula]

Been trying to watch some co-op content on this game anyone know someone I can look into?

[lone pewter]

Reminds me of black flag. It looks amazing

[raven dagger]

i feel it needed balance, while i like difficulty in games starting areas before levelling gear was a bit too unforgiving, thoughts?

[surreal sierra]

I’m willing to agree. Usually I’d start out, get whooped, upgrade gear and expect it to get a bit easier right? WRONG, you still get eviscerated.

I’m sure balancing and progression will get ironed out for any future playtests

[raven dagger]

it was still doable (dying alot) and the rest of the game made up for it but was just wondering if i was alone in thinking this

[drifting bough]

getting eviscerated by an NQ dodo for breathing was... Fun.

_>; like, DS-block-or-die is fine... if I'm expecting it. xD

[foggy depot]

ahoy pirate mates

[distant mountain]

Ahoy

[foggy depot]

how is it here

[left quarry]

hey

there is anyone can tell me how do i get early access to the game ?

[raven dagger]

wait til 2026 sometime

#1298583059402063926

[left quarry]

I'm content creator and i just wanted to record some content to my followers
that's why i asked if there is a way to do it

[worthy portal]

unfortunately not yet

[cerulean prairie]

Yarg mateys

[hallow night]

There is no way to do it.

[left quarry]

but i can see there is many youtube creators had the game and recorded some content from the game

[zenith pawn]

game had a playtest that is closed now

[left quarry]

oky understand

[hallow night]

Because the playtest ended over a month ago.
Keep an eye on #│announcements for possible future ones.

[lethal oriole]

About how many Employees do you guys have and how long has crosswind been in development for?

[edgy saddle]

Started somewhere in 2022 I believe. How many employees, not quite sure.

[sonic lantern]

i need this game release already

[granite oxide]

@lethal oriole 50+ in the Dev team

[foggy depot]

This trailer is fire i watch it so.many times and i can,'t wait to play and set foot on the islands but te name say early acces but no date ?

[raven dagger]

correct no date apart from 2026

#1298583059402063926

[hard fog]

yall said chicken butt?

[ruby badge]

Good to know that their team isn't too small

[shell flower]

What do I have to do to get an invite 🙁

[distant mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-anxious-finger-tapping-gif-9373580746429015602

[naive hinge]

Bonjour everyone 👋

Amazing 😍

• Rize of the Ronin :
  https://i.gyazo.com/13c34d82e4c0dd67a48386b59754df7c.jpg
• Crosswind :
  https://i.gyazo.com/ef85acf52b391c2a98ceafda9fbddab9.jpg

[sonic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aotr-still-no-code-aotr-code-aotr-codes-when-gif-136314027116344731

[tribal hemlock]

Give pirate game

[shell flower]

So is this game moving from an MMO to just another 16 player server based survival game?

[fast orchid]

Correct

[shell flower]

ah

just what the market needed

[teal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711 sarcasm?

[river night]

mood

[raven dagger]

was barely an mmo tbh, was one shared instance

[lone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/smee-apostrophe-epiphany-gif-25605486

[violet nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[edgy saddle]

No

"WE"

[surreal sierra]

also was never an MMO. That plan shifted during development.

[pine ether]

lol @ the no pvp tag on steam

[granite oxide]

everyone sees different tags based on their own information on Steam

as an example, on mine it only says

but it isn't MMO, though it was to have had MMO elements in it.

Each person sees different tags and they will change from time to time - thats on Steam lol

[dusty fox]

What mine says

Kinda interesting to see each of our personalities through the tags

[fast orchid]

I got these

[raven dagger]

maybe tell the guy who called it one then lol

[edgy saddle]

Open world, base building and pirates I have.

[zenith pawn]

Birb :P

[flint moon]

BIRB!!! WOOOO!!!

Is there a beta that I can play or not?

[grave rock]

There is not, currently. Keep an eye on #│announcements

[spice laurel]

wayback machine screenshot from april, you can clearly see in the game description it was originally an MMO

[surreal sierra]

Also correct. Allow me to amend my statement as I originally intended it to be brief and not a long winded essay as normal.

At Crosswinds inception it was planned to be an MMO. However later on during development, the developer team wanted to change their vision to be an MMO-lite experience as expressed in Devblog#1 #💬│windrose-chat message

that was then changed again to the singleplayer/coop experience highlighted in the most recent news update.

[spice laurel]

yeah kinda lame to be honest, not to dunk on the developers or anything i still think the idea is cool overall but i was more so sold on the original idea of a 2025 spiritual successor to POTCO rather than a pirate themed ark

game went from being a day 1 purchase to buy on sale kind of game for me

[zenith pawn]

Atleast the game wont disappear when support ends

Being able to play offline, host dedicated server and mod the game is far better than mmo imo

Its was never gonna be a real mmo in the first place.

[hard bane]

The thing about the whole MMO thing is that I feel that the devs had a vision at the start of the process of actually making an MMO but then once they started and released the first alpha found that an MMO is not what they were actually building so they amended the description after the playtest ended and got feedback from everyone that played.

I think this is a great move by them to not stick with the original label of MMO and move it more to what the game will actually be. If they stuck to their guns and kept the MMO tag, once the game released and it wasn't the MMO that people were envisioning, it would be overall worse for the game.

[tribal hemlock]

Most based tag in existence

[tribal hemlock]

Weird survival game pvpers are a blight

[fast orchid]

You can say no one asked all you like but I feel like I don't chat here enough during days like these and I kinda wanna give my take so here it is.
At the end of the day I don't care what the developers do and I don't think you should either.
Devs are making the game they want to and that's all we should want too, if they decide it should be a random dating sim then we shouldn't be the ones to say boo, we should just say oh well what they want isn't for me and that's kinda it from a consumer end for me. Don't take that the wrong way I love what this game is and what they're working towards, I just think that there's been a lot of takes like "well it's a shame this isn't more like X,Y,Z, because that's all 'I' care about." and that kinda take is fine it just isn't something that should be worded as the downfall of a game. I'm so excited to see what this game has to offer and even if they did swap and make a fully fledged MMORPG then that's what they want to make, just because it isn't for me doesn't mean it isn't for someone. Tell a joke you love and someone will laugh, when they laugh you know your crowd and if the crowd isn't for me then that's fine, it's for the ones making it and that's all that really matters

[spice laurel]

yeah it's their game and they can do whatever they want but it's not good business practice going from originally marketing as an MMO and bringing in that crowd, just to pull the rug and switch to being a survival is a weird decision. obviously like there's overlap in the communities that play those two genres but the crowd of people who were looking for an MMO or mostly just play MMOs probably aren't going to settle for a survival game. so the change is going to cause probably a noticeable amount of people who were originally interested in the game to drop their interest entirely. the game was marketed as an MMO for a long while too and leading pretty much all the way up to the playtest. it'd be one thing if they changed it while everything was still in the concept stage, but to get all the way up to the point of running a playtest just to then be like "yeah actually nah we're gunna change this to something else entirely" is how you lose customers and risk shipping a dead game since some of the initial followers of the game won't care about it anymore.

[fast orchid]

I can see where you're coming from and agree to a degree, but I think that's something that must've been taken into account when they forum a decision like that, which knowing the devs almost certainly was. In their post about the decision change they wrote this:
We faced some hard truths about the technical challenges of this original approach. Supporting the kind of infrastructure needed for a true MMO (even if it’s MMO-lite) experience is a major undertaking, especially while aiming for the level of polish and quality we expect of ourselves. Providing stable, global server coverage and seamless large-scale multiplayer is a significant challenge for a studio of our size.
This means they knew the pro's and con's and made the decision to shift anyways.
What likely happened is they had a vision that could go both ways and after the alpha had to look at their data and decide which way they wanted to roll it.
I agree that the advertising before vs after could have been better but that's a mistake any small company could make and I just don't want to see it hold against them for the rest of their carreers, if the game turns out good, that's all that matters.

[pine ether]

Shut up idiot. If they didn’t advertise it and compare it to Atlas the PvP community wouldn’t even be in here.

It WAS originally advertised as being PvP

[tribal hemlock]

Have a good day.

I guess my comment struck a nerve xd

What are the storage systems like atm? Kinda your standard boxes/crates that have better versions as you progress though the game?

And do they have like quick stack, quick sort, etc? Is there crafting from nearby containers?

[fast orchid]

Ok let's not resort to name calling please

[zenith pawn]

Pvpers doing what they do best, they attack XD

[tribal hemlock]

[hard bane]

for the life of me, I can't remember if there were two sizes of chests at the beginning or just the one so I don't know about that. They did have a quick stack option when you opened each chest and a sorting option. And yes, you could build out of the chests in your bonfire radius of influence. For the workstations though, you had to physically put the items in them to craft the items. I did like the ability to have the workers collect basic materials for you though even though it took 8 IRL hours to do so

[tribal hemlock]

Seems fine, was there a search option for chests?

[hard bane]

there was not a search option. Could be something that may get added in the future though

[tribal hemlock]

That would be neat, I feel like if you're releasing a game like this, you have to at minimum, have a quick stack, quick sort, and a search function

[hard bane]

I'll give you the stack and sort, but the search doesn't feel that needed. I've been playing Enshrouded because its the closest building-wise to Crosswind that I've played and they don't have a search function and I do pretty well knowing where stuff is without it. Once you set up your storage area and run through it a few times, you know pretty much where everything is when you need it anyway

[tribal hemlock]

Yea I would say that's the least of the 3 but it's incredibly handy to have, I'm also notoriously bad for just dumping into chests for wayyy too long

[quick sage]

Soulmask had a great chest system. You could force the chest to only hold metals, food etc

Easy to drop all and find everything

Icons on the chest aswell

Saved alot of time

[tribal hemlock]

That's pretty neat, my gold standard, if you've ever played modded minecraft, Sophisticated Storage

[hard bane]

yeah a labeling system would be kinda cool although I just put chests in the buildings that made the most sense for them. Food in the kitchen building, metal/ore in the blacksmith, thngs like that

[tribal hemlock]

Yea I tend to do a mix, general stuff that gets used everywhere ends up in a shared room and specific stuff stays near the relevant station

[pine ether]

Shut up clown, he insulted first. Maybe if you all followed the game earlier you’d be more informed

[zenith pawn]

Well, he didnt call you an idiot

Your just straight up rude

[pine ether]

You two instigated

Learn to take accountability

[quick sage]

I know they talked about open pvp zones. But I can understand you go this route, everyone host their own servers. There is no money to host mega servers atm. Maybe later down the road. I know this game will get popular.

[zenith pawn]

Hope you have a good day...
Ima keep calm and go away before I say something stupid.

[fast orchid]

Still, don't have to be so rude about it. I agree what they said pushing, but doesn't mean we have to be extra hostile

[zenith pawn]

I didnt even say anything bad, I just made a joke -_-

[pine ether]

I agree. Obviously they have issues as they’re on here instigating then asking for bans though

[hard bane]

funny thing about the "following early" comment, everything you said is factual. They did say it was going to be an MMO and they did say there would be pvp. I think the thing you are missing though is that they changed course and were up front about it. Nothing is lost by this change either. No one has paid money for this game yet, no characters have been lost over it, only thing is that the game will now be marketed to a different type of player base is all and it sounds like you are not that player base

[zenith pawn]

Tf did I "instigate" about.
I just came on made a bad joke and left -_-

[fast orchid]

Then we should hit re-set and avoid this conversation.

[tribal hemlock]

Sea your pfp is cool af

[pine ether]

I didn’t say they cash grabbed us, I’m saying that’s why a lot of the PvP crowd is here in the first place. Not calling the game a scam by any means

[fast orchid]

Thanks! My fiancee drew it for me, I like the dog in yours

[tribal hemlock]

Oh man, with the flying Dutchman when you click on your profile, peak pirate

[hard bane]

never said you did. I'm just saying nothing is lost from them changing gears. I used money as an example

[tribal hemlock]

Ty he was my favorite dog, he got done dirty by sickness, gone too soon

[fast orchid]

You should see my custom stream overlay, chat has it's own little ledger for when they send messages

[hard bane]

dude Seaweaver's stream overlay is SICK AF

[tribal hemlock]

Huge fan, I'll have to check it out at some point

[lone pewter]

Woh that overlay is dope

[turbid herald]

When can we play this game?

[fast orchid]

Thanks, we worked super hard on making it perfect, I think I was tweaking things even as small as the water speed for a good hour an a half lmao

[lone pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-squarepants-moving-behind-the-rocks-moving-gif-23430878

[fast orchid]

Unfortunately we have no solid date yet, until then we have 2026 as a rough estimate and #│announcements to watch for when they decide to give us more

[turbid herald]

Ok, thanks for letting me know. I'm looking forward to it.

[fast orchid]

no problem, and yeah same for sure

[grand yarrow]

Just riding the waves of time....

[winter frigate]

Yeah, you can also just make a dump chest, and dump your whole inventory in it when you get back to base and they'll collect and sort everything for you, Soulmask definitely has the best storage system

[raven dagger]

i think the playtest showed them just how hard it would be to do a mmo, even "mmo-lite" components stretched them maybe that bit too far and while i love the idea of shared instances or open world encounters id rather they made a strong game (single player) than a weak one that was beyond their present capabilities

[winter frigate]

They did it during the alpha phase of development when nothing was solidified and nobody had really invested anything into the game. It's far better than the strategy Funcom used for Dune Awakening, which was to advertise and market the game as a PvPvE game, open up preorders, sell it and launch it, and then about-face after a reddit AMA.

[raven dagger]

its still pvpve?

[winter frigate]

I mean, you can say that, but it really isnt. It also lost 85% of its playerbase in under two months.

[raven dagger]

There's literally both pve and pvp and adding on the player drop off is irrelevant to what were talking about lol i get your original point but its a bad example to use 🤷‍♂️

[distant mountain]

E

[thin kraken]

I've never posted but I've been lurking here for a loooong time. I don't think I can hit the "Wishlist" button for this game any harder or more than I already have lol. I signed up and sat around and waited for an invite to the playtest from when they first announced it was happening, alas but to no avail. Maybe nexttime...one can "Wishlist" that too I guess. 😁 Well, eventually I'll be seein' ya on the High Seas mateys!

[naive hinge]

hi everyone 👋

[naive hinge]

Like ❤️ https://youtu.be/NSQQVZtzoM0

[zenith pawn]

:D

[ruby badge]

LEEES GOOO

[naive hinge]

grrr can't wait to play again 😭

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-i-like-that-captain-jack-sparrow-little-jack-gif-15559683640369424147

[terse light]

Just let me buy the game as is

[naive hinge]

Talents tree ❤️

[livid shuttle]

is there going to be a beta before ea?

[terse light]

If this is not coming out until 2026 why let streamer play so early the hype will fade away

[fallow ether]

it's just beta testing

[grand light]

It was an Alpha Test. We have tested the game 🙂

[grand light]

Remains to be seen matey.

[fallow ether]

Alpha*

[livid shuttle]

oh okay thanks! i just want to play the game lol the playtest was really fun

[zenith pawn]

The sailing in that video was epic :D

[pseudo igloo]

I’m really concerned about the switch to servers for online. People on servers always behave badly, griefing others, placing foundations to stop others building etc. it makes this game less desirable to play online

[zenith pawn]

Is not an online mmo anymore afaik

[pseudo igloo]

So it’s either solo or with friends? That sucks

[zenith pawn]

Singleplayet coop with dedicated server hosting... thats better than online mmo imo

[mild sky]

my god. Tells us you made ACBF2 without saying its blag flag 2

[fast orchid]

Lol

[mild sky]

can you board ships? or is it a cutscene

[zenith pawn]

You can properly board ships afaik

[mild sky]

I heard you can build too

[distant mountain]

fire clip

[plucky elbow]

can't wait

[fast orchid]

You can indeed board ships

And you can board them with any boat, go take on a frigate in your dingy, I dare you. I want to see it pulled off

[mild sky]

GG. You guys successfully will have destroyed Sea of Theives, Skull and Bones and all of Ubisofts hopes and dreams oh and Atlas

cus Screw you wild card

[astral pine]

i didnt play much during the first wave, but when i tried to board ships i got clapped. makes it a risk/reward thing.

[zenith pawn]

You can upgrade your armor and stuff to make fights easier

[mild sky]

its wild how the rise of independant game devs/ mods are really just wrecking the industry

[fast orchid]

I didn't do anything, I just moderate and help them test every time they need someone from NA to bully

[astral pine]

i know, like i said didnt play much was trying to fit all the content in i could cause i started kind of late.

[mild sky]

I mean. I meant "you" as a general team effort term lol. Testers are important lol

[spiral quiver]

had a feelin this would be kickin off..

[fast orchid]

I just meant I'm not part of the dev team and that all the love and praise should go to them

[spiral quiver]

i like the cannon upgrades

[astral pine]

love where this game is heading, cant wait for full release or next wave. Want to get some of the homies together and do piratey stuff.

[hard fog]

me hoping that announcement was another playtest for US not at Gamescom😢😂

can’t wait for a chance to play this masterpiece it feels like it’s been so long but ik it’ll be worth the wait!

[fast orchid]

I mean, techinically it was an internal one

[hard fog]

i revised my line match that ha ha

XD

[fast orchid]

I mean technically the showcase they made off the playtest was indeed for US

[hard fog]

nah i love watching gameplay but for this game it just makes me itch for it moreeeee XDD

okay i’ll revise it again

[fast orchid]

I know, same

[distant mountain]

looks even better now

[spiral quiver]

so it looked like tortuga is still instanced

[hard fog]

XD

[fast orchid]

my last version of the statement still technically fits XD

[zenith pawn]

I think I saw the galleon at the end, damn it looks good :D

[hard fog]

mcdinglefart what a godly name

[zenith pawn]

Thanks man XD

[distant mountain]

Mary Bullard looks so weird lol

[hard fog]

i give up seaweaver i give up

[fast orchid]

Ok new things I've spotted so far
crew walk around now!
Custom sails?
SKILLS!?
Ashland's looks so freaking cool
Hirlings have traits now which is dope
Battleship is still sitting in tortuga taunting us XD

[mild sky]

fair enough. If I throw money at them can I get into testing and play now?

also do we know if NPC crew and players can be on the same ships?

[fast orchid]

Sadly probably not, even I can''t do that, and trust me if I could I would

[naive hinge]

Ashlands is only one island or a big map map with a lot of islands ?

[fast orchid]

It's probably like the other biomes so multiple islands of a biome type

[mild sky]

DAMN IT 🙁 I am really sad I missed the testing waves

[ashen mirage]

whats everyone thinking on release date?

[naive hinge]

@fast orchid oh ok so crasy ty

[fast orchid]

Sometime 2026

[ashen mirage]

thats what im thinking. hoping early 2026

[fast orchid]

I'm going on a quick helldive, I can answer more old stuff once I'm back

[zenith pawn]

The thing I spotted that interests me the most is the galleon :D
Did u see it too?
It looks really good

[ruby badge]

"saw Patrick on the shore few days ago, he's looking pretty fresh"

is that because he came back to life ? 😂 😂 😂

[plain goblet]

is there a wiki for the game? i have questions about the territory wars / guild bases etc

[ruby badge]

Man everything in the video is exactly what I want from this game, I'm also glad that they have a good sense of humor

[plain goblet]

please give me a key please guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQQVZtzoM0 this is just amazing, everything i wanted in SoT is here and more

[ruby badge]

I spotted a new ship, looks like a galleon, whatever it is, thats the kind of ship I will be sailing

[naive hinge]

ocean and weather system look so good

[ruby badge]

yesses, the storm segment while fighting the ships looked soo good, felt haunting as well

I will be looking for my guy hawkeye

[zenith pawn]

Galleon is definitely gonna be my one and only ship :D

[ruby badge]

though I wonder if he will appear on the ship, or I will just get his abilites

will be cool if I can see the different crew members I could hire

we now have a skill tree boys

[lament obsidian]

I've seen the latest video , from GC, I'm so looking forward to play this ! When is the next alpha or beta session ?

[ruby badge]

honestly I'm already hooked, everything I wanted to see is already being shown or part of it is going to exist in the game, I'm super happy with the atmosphere and the weather they're going for

[naive hinge]

@zenith pawnin the playtest, the big boat was so difficult to drive with, no speed etc.. just wait and see update

[ruby badge]

release date is set in 2026, keep an eye on the news channel for more info

There's already a mention of Davy Johns, which meaaaans he can exist in the game

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-potc-jack-sparrow-life-is-cruel-why-should-the-afterlife-be-any-different-gif-22538675

[zenith pawn]

I was afraid it would be like that.
I hope they will change it
Ship speed in AC4 was really good, hopefully they'll go for something similar

[ruby badge]

2026

[ruby badge]

they will probably fix it, otherwise big ships will have a very big disadvantage when it comes to movement or speed

[lunar crescent]

yep gonna go ahead and take this off the wishlist gotta wait same amount of time for gta 6 shits gonna end up being a joke anyway

[grand light]

The game was announced in March...come on.

[zenith pawn]

make a game yourself, would love to see how that goes

[naive hinge]

👶 just need his 🍼

[barren coral]

Gotta love the positive feedback. I mean a new game takes time, goes through various iterations, changes are made, improvements implemented. What you see now is likely not what you will see at EA and beyond...give the studio a break.

[oak wigeon]

I'm glad the announcement was in later development. There are people that were born around the time of game announcements and then they grew old enough to be able to play it by release dates

[ruby badge]

Its okie mate, ignore them, half of the gamers these days act like entitled babies

Please please, don't listen to people who keep asking for the game to be released earlier or "faster", please take the time you need to make it good

honestly its really awesome to watch the game slowly builds up, and showing new features and new additions with every new trailer or demo, makes me feel like I'm part of the journey 😄

[pseudo igloo]

But why did you change from an online game? Was so cool to see other people in Tortuga and go have adventures with new friends

[ruby badge]

They explained that for the size of their time it would be too much to work on

[grand light]

Hey, we went into much detail on that in the Devblog

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3041230/view/511840624511551150?l=english

[zenith pawn]

you could still see people in community hosted servers, if that becomes a thing

[ruby badge]

coop is still a thing, its only that pvp will be something paused for the time being

[pseudo igloo]

Makes me sad. Now I’ve got to buy the game and end up playing alone

[zenith pawn]

community hosted servers could exist, just saying

[ruby badge]

Personal request: I know its a pirate game, and I know its off the scope of the game, but it would be cool to have few medieval swords like the one on the wall, I already saw halberds and spears

[pseudo igloo]

It’s a shame. There’s a massive gap in the market for an MMO-lite like this. I understand the technical and financial challenges but I think it’s a big disappointment

[tardy stirrup]

Can yall release a paid early access

[ruby badge]

you gonna have to wait matey

if they're going to do an early access the game must be near finished, so it doesn't get stuck in early access forever

also, I feel that early access could kill the hype for the game, cause many people will be done with it before the actual release, its better to have like an open beta test and then do an actual release

[umbral bridge]

As an MMO with an Island claim system and large scale PVP this would be GOTY candidate

Like this it will be forgotten within a few weeks after people finished the story and there is no endgame left

what a waste of potential

https://tenor.com/view/tangled-i-dont-care-whatever-so-what-gif-19119111

[zenith pawn]

as long as its successful, who tf cares.
Thousands of players still playing valheim and enshrouded
people can mod the game and keep coming back to it even after support ends

[umbral bridge]

Poop mg dinglefart is typing... The fastest PVE player in the hood.

[zenith pawn]

is swearing allowed?

[severe solar]

That’s funny, I feel the exact opposite. Buy to play, non-mmo, pve has me more excited for the game than ever and alleviated all the concerns I had previously

[umbral bridge]

it will lack content and go the dune way in the end. Low hanging fruits instead of big thing

[zenith pawn]

im not against pvp, I am against it if its forced tho

[umbral bridge]

ATLAS for example had a PVP cluster and a PVE cluster, problem solved

[severe solar]

Seems to me like there will be more meaningful content this way rather than just pumping out cosmetics, etc.

Not to mention mod support

[zenith pawn]

optional pvp is completely fine with me if I can avoid it.
And atlas is not only an mmo (that died), but also has community hosted servers and singleplayer
this game could have community hosted servers too, and with optional pvp it would be totally possible for pvp servers

so the hate is really unnecessary imo

[spiral quiver]

wow , same guy is back touting doom and gloom because no pvp lol

[spiral quiver]

naw , thats just a you problem

[umbral bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/white-knight-mlady-protect-protection-gif-20031790

mr. white knight is back

[pearl brook]

It amuses me how many people come in here to hate on the lack of pvp at launch while missing the salient point of the decision.

The Devs made that choice because they recognized that they did not have the capability to deliver quality when it came to having both pvp and pve.

They stated at the time of the announcement that they were open to the idea of adding it in the future. However for tve moment its just too much time and effort they would need to invest in and they were not confident they could deliver with their small staff size.

[ruby badge]

Mate, at first it sounded you were just frustrated and wanted to express your concerns, but now it seems you're just here to start fights and be toxic, if you really hate the direction of the game just leave or wait in silence, spreading negativity isn't something we need here xD

[spice laurel]

Nah he’s got a point, I don’t agree that the game will just die but endgame is always a problem in survival games, what survival games can you even think of that have one?

[umbral bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/britney-britney-toxic-toxic-britney-spears-britney-spears-gif-15645131598906565533

[zenith pawn]

if the community can keep atlas alive, im pretty sure that this community can keep this game alive too

[spiral quiver]

that about sums you up , princess

[fast orchid]

I've returned from the front, what'd I miss?

[spiral quiver]

nuthin

[pearl brook]

Ladies and gentlemen, can we not?

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/get-wet-wet-pirates-of-the-caribbean-davy-jones-ha-gif-17865873

[spice laurel]

90% of the community that keeps a survival game alive after like the first year or two of it being out is purely builders, content creators and people that just really like that niche of game though

Most of the player base will be gone

[spiral quiver]

i find it funny that we have no idea whats coming but the 2 of you are all doom and gloom about speculation

[spice laurel]

Not even dooming and glooming just bringing valid points to the table actually

[umbral bridge]

we know there is no pvp coming lol

[fast orchid]

Even if people are weary or concerned about what ifs or possibilities why y'all gotta attack and enrage each other?

[zenith pawn]

im trying to keep my comments fair here

[spiral quiver]

no actually , you are speculating and trying to fn fear monger

[umbral bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/flirting-wink-bugs-bunny-flirty-flirt-gif-16543413

[grave rock]

Counterpoint: Why do all games coming out now need to be evergreen and playable forever?

[fast orchid]

And I appreciate that

[spice laurel]

Nobody is doing that? Lol

[umbral bridge]

Funny thing is. The only PVP here is in chat. You will see all PVE guys coming out to chat-pvp. Its hilarious

[spice laurel]

When someone disagrees with your point of view that doesn’t automatically mean it’s an attack against you buddy, you’re not always a victim

[fast orchid]

Very true

[spiral quiver]

never felt like i was or even said that , but you come in here saying the game will basically die off after a few weeks except for builders and streams i really dont think it fair

[spice mulch]

Your behavior is exactly why PVE players (and those who enjoy survival games) do not want mandatory PVP: an aggressive and harmful mentality.
Accept that your opinion is not shared by the majority instead of trying to impose it on others.

Without wishing to offend you personally.

[umbral bridge]

just make Server for PVE, easy

[ruby badge]

because that has been the norm for the last 7 years, live service games and multiplayer games has become the norm, so most players are expecting the games to have updates for at least 5 years

[fast orchid]

That one probably can and still will be done / possible with dedicated server hosting, they may even eventually host servers themselves, all they've said is that the challenge of making an MMO (even one with just MMO-lite elements) is too hard for a company of their size

[spiral quiver]

and you still don't get it..there isnt going to be any offical servers to segregate pve from pvp..

[pearl brook]

Balancing it with a small team with already alot on their plate.

Not so easy.

They said when they made the announcements that they would be open to looking at pvp in the future. But just attacking the decision again and again isn't conductive.

[fast orchid]

If I had to guess, the game might even have PVP elements at launch, they'll maybe be a bit rougher but that's where feeback on what they have and what they want comes into play

[umbral bridge]

Of course they say it, their marketing will have told them to not fully shut the door for pvp players lol

[spiral quiver]

sea , are you privy to info other than the offical news release?

[zenith pawn]

pvp and pve servers are totally possible with dedicated server hosting.

[fast orchid]

They are their marketing team, they don't have a job only doing marketing they're devs as well

[spice mulch]

More generally, I believe that today there are fewer and fewer MMO RPG players. Due to lack of time and changing attitudes, players prefer single-player games that can be played whenever they want, and especially when they can.

Starting with PVE, and then perhaps introducing PVP at some point, is the best strategy, in my opinion.
Especially since survival games are all the rage right now!

[fast orchid]

Not really no

[spiral quiver]

ok ,have they said they're looking into pvp to you at release?

[grave rock]

It's amusing watching this happen yet again on yet another discord server for another survival game... Always the same points, counterpoints and arguments...

[spiral quiver]

if not , then why even say that and keep stirring the pot?

[spice laurel]

The hardcore PVE guys never want to admit it but PVP is the main thing that keeps a survival game alive long after its release. Just look at Rust still being one of the top 10 daily played games on Steam for example

[spiral quiver]

o please , rust was never friggin labeled pve lol

[spice laurel]

Not my point

[fast orchid]

All I have is the official statement

PvP is not entirely off the table, but it will be a much, much lower priority for now. Implementing it properly would require a lot of effort that is currently needed to complete the core of the game. We remain open to exploring PvP in the future, but no commitments can be made at this point.

[ruby badge]

as someone who barely have time to play, that's totally my mentality, I rarely play or touch multiplayer games for the same reasons

[spice mulch]

But you'll have very few Rust players who will play Crosswind because they are different gamer populations.

[lone pewter]

Wow

[spiral quiver]

then why would you just say pvp might be in at realse just to stir the pot?

[lone pewter]

Who took SpongeBob off

[spice laurel]

Well yeah, there’s no PVP from the sounds of it

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-des-caraïbes2-pirates-of-the-caribbean2-pirates-menace-threat-gif-19754159

[lone pewter]

Basically chat

[fast orchid]

Because it's not hard to have a toggle for a server saying "Enable PVP" and if people want it it's a simple as letting other players deal dmg to each other, I also said "If I had to guess" as in I don't know but I have confidence that even with no balance it could still technically exist

[spice mulch]

It's a natural debate. There has been a change in direction and style of play along the way. It's normal that this has disappointed some people.

[spiral quiver]

there is ALOT of backend code that would have to be done for that, and i mean ALOT

[lone pewter]

PvP ship battles sounds fun

[ruby badge]

the problem is that the same people who are talking about it now already had this conversation before, but they're now acting as rage bait to a degree

[spice mulch]

You can play Sea of thieves for that

[spiral quiver]

not to mention graphics, sounds,armor/weap balance and thats just person to person ,ship pvp with how the ocean looks like it works now is a whole other problem to tackle

[fast orchid]

Yes but in the alpha the very VERY basic foundation was there and even if that foundation just becomes a basic toggle then in a sense it has a pvp setting, a very rough one that would need further work for sure but that's all I was trying to say

[spiral quiver]

there's probly 8-10 months worth of coding involved

[lone pewter]

Ehhhh if only it wasn’t so hard to find people

[spice mulch]

Oh dear, because our friend just said a little earlier that PVP games made people play the game longer! 😂

[spice mulch]

just here

[spice laurel]

Sea of Thieves is not a good example of that, they barely leaned into their PVP aspect at all

Rust was straight up about it from the start, that's why they're still successful years after launch and still one of the biggest games on the market by active playerbase

[spice mulch]

A survival game doesn't necessarily have to stay at the top of the sales charts for several years to be considered a success.
There are some great survival games that have been huge hits without lasting 3 or 4 years.
It's a different model.

[zenith pawn]

a game being successful is all that matters

[ruby badge]

I think what you're forgetting is that rust has been out since 2013, it kept growing as a game and it had an avg of 40k players for at least 4 years before it started to get higher, the devs kept the game alive that's mostly why its doing well now its a 10 years old game, not to say pvp didn't play a role in it, but you have to keep that in mind

[bold hazel]

I miss playing this game so much - can’t wait for the next run 🙂

[spice mulch]

Right now I'm playing Return To Moria: a survival game released two years ago.
They're releasing their first expansion this year. The game works well. It's not a big studio, the developers are close to their community, and that's what makes it so successful.

[spice laurel]

A game being out for longer means there's a higher chance of player drop off though especially for a survival game. Using that as a basis, then how come the players of Rust keep going up but the players on Sea of Thieves keep going down?

As of right now (just checked), there's like 110k people playing Rust. There's only like not even 7k people playing SoT

[ruby badge]

Minecraft doesn't has a pvp focused elements yet its still doing well

each game attract different kinds of players

[spice laurel]

Uhh.. yeah it does

Have you ever been on any of the biggest servers of the game? All pvp game modes

[fast orchid]

Ok counter argument to rust and sot then

[spice mulch]

Damn, I couldn't have found a better example.

[ruby badge]

the devs said their data showed that they had more players who wanted a more PVE focused game more than PVP, so its natural for them to feel the need to focus on that, nothing wrong with it

[fast orchid]

Valheim does have PVP but it's a pve focused game, it's been out longer and has deticated server support, it's sitting strong at 20k, that's a LOT of people

[spice laurel]

That's literally the worst example probably so far, majority of the most popular content in that game is PVP related. Bed wars, hunger games, murder game, all the "100 people survive in a scenario" type of videos

[ruby badge]

not really, but most people play minecraft at least since the start was people who liked the PVE aspect of it

[zenith pawn]

for a pve focused game with singleplayer, that is really good

[spice laurel]

Yeah at the start when it first came out like over 10 years ago it was about PVE, now it's more about PVP these days

[fast orchid]

ikr I was expecting like 9-10k at most not 21

[spice mulch]

You're talking about Minecraft today, but when I played it ten years ago, there was no PVP 😉

[spice laurel]

PVP has been in minecraft since alpha so unless you were playing prealpha or something

Playing on the source code

[ruby badge]

then we can assume that crosswind could have the same evolution in the future

[spice mulch]

That's exactly what the development team said, but PVP players don't like it.

[spice laurel]

It could and it should

[ruby badge]

then we reach common grounds now, no need to have this debate any further, all we can do both PVE and PVP players is wait and watch the game grow

let the devs do what they see fit for them and the game

[spiral quiver]

because , if pvpers dont get thier dam way they want to burn the game to the ground and move on to the next one

[spice laurel]

I like the way the division handled its seperation of pve/pvp I wish more games would do that same system, something like that could work in crosswind well IMO. Just have like 75% of the map as PVE normal area then have an area that's open PVP but nothing forcing you to go there if you don't want to

Like no missions or story or anything take place there, just straight up optional if you want to go

[spiral quiver]

and rust is a crap example anyway , gank squads and offline base raiding..oooooo

[fast orchid]

Ahoy, this is your weekly Seaweaver reminder to eat a lemon, they prevent scurvy!

[spiral quiver]

thats supposed to be tues , your late

[fast orchid]

Nice try

[spiral quiver]

heh

man , shifty must be writing paragraphs

[fast orchid]

You did make me double check the past post dates so I concede

[spiral quiver]

i wasn't trying to be funny i literaly thought you usually say that on tues

[timber zealot]

The key to that is it was always in the game from the get go. They were able to design the mechanics with someone using PvP in mind as well. The problem is not that it might come later it's that later might be too late to implement a whole new layer of mechanics into the game in which the surrounding mechanics( weapons, armor, ships, base building, anything) will have been designed around not thinking of PvP. It will cause problems. The same goes for the community servers people keep bringing up. If they design the game around a group of 5 and you can have community servers that can have up to say 32 people then the game mechanics will become clunky and it will be hard to actively do anything with the community at large on a community server. They just need to rip the band aid off and decide. No PvP or PvP and No community servers or yes community servers and then design the game around those core mechanics and leave it be

[fast orchid]

Oh lamo, Nah Lemon Day is Wednesdays

[spiral quiver]

naw , if they're on ue5+ pvp can easily be added , the visc+ blueprint system easily allows for additions of anything really

and ue6 is about to pop in a few months

[fast orchid]

Honestly that's a suprisingly fair take. I'm just optimistic of the game regardless because after finding a way to put 300 hours into the alpha I can see this game going far regardless of what they decide and after being in the previous closed alpha it' clear they're making very good progress on their dream game, I personally think what's happening is just a side effect of this being their first game as a small studio and learning that marketing and devloping is hard.

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/falcon-sam-wilson-outta-line-but-gif-22091662

[fast orchid]

XD I wouldn't say out of line but still a funny gif

It's a valid concern that isn't just complaining saying "Games Dead" and I appreciate them taking the time to be civil and still provide feedback

[timber zealot]

You can't please everyone and the best thing to do is just focus on that and make what is good the best. No need to muddy the waters with potential promises that could in the future cause harmful backlash on the active game due to mechanics clashing and changing the game feel and not just people talking before the game is even out. I can recommend that if they don't want PvP then drop it. Leave it out. Who cares. My main and ultimate desire anyway is the ability to be able to connect with the community at large and play the game with them and with that said I can only hope that the game mechanics they design will keep in mind a larger player pool then what would be hosted on the dedicated world for the private and or public community servers.

[opal owl]

hey, props to the designer who made the lightning flash and then the thunderclap that you can see in the latest gameplay video. It's little details like that that do not go unnoticed that add up to really immersive gameplay. Just wanted to say good job.

[hallow night]

This PvE vs PvP debate never gonna stop right? Just enjoy the game when its out, it looked absolutely fantastic in Alpha.
I also personally love the way they are going with it and it ticks out all the boxes I'm looking for in a game like this. Well done devs.

[grave rock]

It happens in every game social area eventually. No game is immune, not even offline single player anymore.

[hallow night]

Yep, that's true unfortunately. Nonetheless I think it's gonna be absolutely amazing either way, and I can't wait for the next playtest and eventually EA/Release.

[edgy saddle]

Y'all having a great day? 🙂

[naive hinge]

@edgy saddle Crosswind news make my day

[edgy saddle]

Very understandable man

[zenith pawn]

you ask if we have a great day, now ima ask if you have a great day? :P

[edgy saddle]

Boss sent me home and gave me a beer

So yes I'm good

[zenith pawn]

nice :P

[opal owl]

can someone who has played the co-op alpha answer a question for me? Is there multiplayer tethering that occurs within the game that requires players to travel together between areas? For example, in the game Salt 2, players are required to travel together anywhere there is an area transition, which becomes quite tedious for players that are exploring together but not necessarily in the same location all the time.

[hard bane]

from what I remember, no there is no tethering. I was on a server with 2 others and I think there were a few times that I would go to Tortuga to get stuff while they stayed in the Archipelago to quest and such.

[slate orchid]

Will the finished game feature some kind of story campaign with missions and cutscenes?

[slate orchid]

Will the finished game feature some kind of story campaign with missions and cutscenes?

[opal owl]

Honestly this is huge for the co-op game...I would hate it if I'm back at base building and my partner had to drag me with to go sell things in Tortuga.

[half harness]

I can see why they want to polish for early access but the atmosphere from the gameplay demo is spot on.

[ruby badge]

does anyone know where the Devs team from? which country I mean

[brave lynx]

hi, im new here, cant wait to play crosswind, is there another play test coming before its released?

[tender prism]

Hello Captains

I just saw the gameplay video and I was intrigued! Is there a way to get the alpha?

[fast orchid]

Sadly the alpha has ended

[tender prism]

Nooo

[fast orchid]

Yup

[tender prism]

Is there another build test coming?

[ruby badge]

so far no plans for that, but keep an eye on the news channel, they plan to do an early access somewhere in 2026

[tender prism]

Sweet as

[ruby badge]

if you have questions or things you want to know check the #1298583059402063926 channel

[tender prism]

That's very helpful! Much appreciated

[ruby badge]

something that caught my attention is one of Hawkeye skills is that he can make "24 pound guns" take less time to aim, does that mean that we will have different cannons types? cause the weight of the cannon indicate that there are other with different weight meaning different types of cannons

so we can hire crew members that are good with using different types of cannons

[brave lynx]

is a diving bell going to be added to the frigate? would be useful to loot sunken ships, just planting a seed here, hoping the dev's read this

[fast orchid]

Nice catch, probably something along those lines, at least for things like ship customization

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-diver-eivind-frogman-gif-14830614

[grand light]

https://tenor.com/view/cosmo-kramer-head-nod-seinfeld-yes-yeah-gif-13148085526776859807

[fast orchid]

Omg I think that's the closest we can get to dev confirmation

[lusty patio]

This picture may be or may be not related to our game, who knows (was just passing by)