💬│windrose-chat

[jagged onyx]

We are changing the genre focus of the game to a more traditional survival game with PvE co-op as the main multiplayer component.

We are changing the distribution model from free-to-play to a traditional buy-to-play game.

[zenith pawn]

Maybe there will be community hosted pvp servers, who knows?

But the game is gonna be whatever you said right above me

[hasty salmon]

I just really hope that the game has very fleshed out ship battle and boarding PVE

[fallow ether]

It's still an MMO. Theyre saying that the game is going to have a price tag now rather than not be free to play.

[zenith pawn]

Its not an mmo anymore
Its gonna be singleplayer with coop and with hostable dedicated servers

[mossy quail]

NOT an MMO any longer

[jagged onyx]

hopefully still pvp servers, is rust consdiered an "mmo"?

[zenith pawn]

Afaik this is what rust is 👇 , so yes its an mmo.

[teal silo]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-weston-gif-24957771

[river night]

on the note of going from mmo to coop survival, does this mean the map will be larger or maybe a no mans sky esk procedural generation to the seas

[hexed sail]

RUST LIVES MATTER

when is it releases? any one know?

[sleek cloak]

Unfortunately, no PvP means no interest from me.

Really unfortunate if that’s the case.

We were all looking for a SoT replacement.

[spiral quiver]

ok cya

[quartz pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/khabib-adios-gif-18924885

[sleek cloak]

No worries, cya. I hope you guys enjoy the game but I’m sad personally. Happy sailing. 👋

[granite oxide]

@hexed sail Release wasn't expected until late 2026, however keep an eye on the news like this latest post here #│announcements message

@sleek cloak we had pvp in the playtest

[timber zealot]

I suppose that this means you will be limited to playing with only a small group of friends or a squad then per server? If it's going to change from a mmo to a single player with co-op experience then. How many people are we talking?

[glacial delta]

yeah just saw this as well. Since PVP is gone im out. They gonna hurt their own game with this one ithink. Me and a bunch of my buddies were here to enjyo the pirate l;ife pvp.....now this is just another generic surival game.....hard pass and good luck im out

[glacial delta]

prob uynder 5...they really said one thing and switched to another. my guess is this game is DOA. Really took out the pvp and mmo aspects hard hard out

[jagged onyx]

exactly, the pvp was the cool part, play ensrhouded if u want a coop survival experience

[arctic forum]

Checkout Crosswind also. Piraty Valhiem with co-op/PvP?

[jagged onyx]

dont get me wrong, it still sounds good even if its just co op pve, but pvp would have been sick still, killing other pirates, and becoming the pirate king of your world, its not the same against AI

[timber zealot]

The PvP aspect of the game while cool, is not needed for a survival game. There are survival games that need PvP and ones that do not. What is worrisome is the lack of world now. Survival games need either a way to connect to the community in a massive multiplayer way, think Valheim or ARK with the different server types which you can go to or they need a consistent world that supports massive multiplayer. A survival games needs that.

[bronze goblet]

I could be wrong, but I NEVER had the impression the PvP was gonna be over the entire map kind of thing, I was always under the impression it was going to be an opt in experience via arena type gameplay in some form, like devil's throat for naval combat or a ground combat arena. And that there was going to eventually be PvP events that we could take part in.
Also my understanding is just that PvP has been put on the back burner for now while they build the core game out first and then they will put some focus back on PvP when the game is on solid foundations with good pve content etc.
Maybe I'm wrong but that was my take away.

[spiral quiver]

did you read anything else so you understand why ? or are you just another fairweather fan coming in here pisz thats theres no longer pvp?

not being a jerk , im asking if you read ANY of the news releases from this morning?

[bronze goblet]

huh? I'm not pissed about pvp, I think you have misunderstood my message. and yes I have read the post.

[spiral quiver]

ah , from the body of your msg it could be misread , sorry

[bold rivet]

@bronze goblet is right, they want to develop the core game at the moment. PvP has been set on the back burner for now.

As an MMO player with 20+ years of experience, PvP does not enthuse me at all. I don't mind if there are specific set out areas for it. But to make it Map wide would be a mistake.

[bronze goblet]

Just to be clear (hopefully XD) I'm saying I personally never see the game as a pvp game I see it as a PVE game with the option to pvp.
I was also saying PvP isnt gone forever it's just getting pushed back in development until later down the line.

[spiral quiver]

i'll be honest with you , i wouldnt ever expect pvp in this game as a fully utilized fuction now , since they're doing away with the dedicated server and moving tortuga to a non instanced area , making it singleplayer/co-op with self hosted servers , it's just not a thing anymore , that is unless they decide to have it user implemented when they create thier own private server either on the mahcine playing the game or on a seperate or rented server, much like valheim

basically , effective this morning , pvp in this game has been axed

[bold rivet]

The playthroughs I've seen streamers do (watched 28+ hrs) during the course of the open Alpha Test, makes me believe it is a PvE/ Exploration based environment. That's what peaked my interest. And PIRATES! We don't have enough of those, especially in this Genre.

[spiral quiver]

i play eve..i get enough pvp lol

yeah i know , i try not to but there are times when it happens

[bold rivet]

I tried EVE. Lasted til I harvested my first Gas Cloud. Promptly uninstalled after that

[spiral quiver]

i just got back into it after doing a major potatoe upgrade and now i can play it in 4k 😛

lemme tell ya..it looks friggin amazing in 4k on duel monitors

[bronze goblet]

I dunno, maybe they can revert back to Tortuga being instanced in the future when the game is established to allow for there original concept for pvp, or maybe they come up with another way of doing it.
I do think though there has to be a very good pve game underneath a survival game to allow a game to survive. I played Atlas and I think its downfall was the dev team on that leaning to much on the PvP before the rest of the game was ready. (amongst other problems of course lol)

[vital marten]

ooof. So just saw the update, it went from a better version of Altus to pretty much the same as every other survival game huh? Shame. I guess sea of thives will continue to be the ONLY game that lets you raid other players ships, with any level of dev support huh.

[spiral quiver]

problem with that is , they'll have a player base that is used to single player / co-op mode ( just like life is fuedel) and when they took that game into mmporg territory the players revolted

[spiral quiver]

pirates of the burning seas

[bold rivet]

I never saw anyone get to Tortuga. Isn't that supposed to be a place to buy, and sell, items scavenged during your adventures?

[spiral quiver]

tons of testers got there , alot of streamers didnt because they were busy showing off the game mechanics

[bronze goblet]

It was basically a hub where you could buy and sell things like you said but you would see other players there

[spiral quiver]

hell , we had a guy actually build something like 12 frigates and park them in tort lol

[vital marten]

I kind of mean... you know, alive games.

[bronze goblet]

I was there 1 day and there was so many ships they were mounting the docks and each other haha

[spiral quiver]

yeah that was probly his mess lol

he had people all kinds of upset they couldnt use the dock , then 1 guy got pk'd by the pet pig and was hot as all hell

[timber zealot]

There are already games like that on the market, Tribes of Midgard, Grounded, Return to Moria, Icarus, Dragonwilds, Raft, the list goes on of single player co-op games that feature some form of base building and or survival aspect of the world but they aren't very popular nor do they stay around for very long and you would only ever want to play with a group of friends which means the next big thing that offers some form of squad base play will take away all of your player base pretty much permanently as you can only play for so long with the limited amount of interaction you can have in a server that is capped to only have friends or say even a 10 man server cap. So as soon as the next game that comes those players will jump ship due to them being done and bored with the game. I cannot stress enough the risk that comes with making a survival game a single player co-op experience.

[spiral quiver]

So make you're own game within your own vision

grounded now has groounded 2 , dragonwilds has only been out about a month , raft devs publicly stated after revision 3 they were done with it and moving on

any other pointless arguements?

[bronze goblet]

I see what you mean about the selection of similar games (minus Dragonwilds as its a demo at the moment so who knows what the future holds for that) but I would say what about Valheim? game was huge and is essentially a solo/ co-op experience.
Now I'm not sure on this but with dedicated servers, doesnt that mean we could have a server with as many player slots as we liked? because that would allow for decent sized community servers if that's what players wanted. I'm not sure if server slots is dictated by the game it self though.

[timber zealot]

Once you hit the end boss, last tier of crafting, it's done. The game is done. From then on it's just being either alone or with your friends just messing around with the building which if the world if not HUGE like Minecraft then that will get stale quickly. If you have access to a massive multiplayer experience though the game doesn't scream to a halt any longer once you reach the final tier. Instead now, the door is open to a wide variety of community driven things one could do in a survival game. Make boats for the needy, weapons, tools, make paths, maps, food. Sell escorts of difficult dungeon. The game doesn't end suddenly and dries out once you hit the endgame with the ability to connect to people beyond just a limited number of friends who can join. I would highly suggest having the server size be in the 30's to allow for communities instead of co-op.

[timber zealot]

Yes, as long the servers have a high player count then the issue I raise is moot

[bronze goblet]

will be interesting to see how many player slots will be available then, fingers crossed for a good amount.

[timber zealot]

And Valheim while was a single player world driven experience, you had the ability to allow as many people in as long as they had your code.

You could call for aid and people would assist even if you did not know them

[bronze goblet]

yea thats how I see Crosswind going now though, again this is my assuption not fact lol

[spiral quiver]

um..just so you know if they had left the game as it was..you could only have alimited number of people join you already , that hasnt changed , there was no mp except tortuga and the pvp zone unless you handed out your game key anyway so again , no difference

[timber zealot]

It was but now with this change they are speaking of it sounds like they might have been having troubles with allowing people host their own world and still connect to a central hub, Tortuga

[bronze goblet]

yea you could only have up to 4 players in your world i believe including yourself

[spiral quiver]

the way the game was , you werent going to be able to host anyway

[timber zealot]

You could only have up to 4 people join you? I did not know that. I thought more people could have joined. Oh dear.

[spiral quiver]

nope , and you had to give them your worlds join code

tortuga is now becoming an area in the world instead of an instance too

now, in this version , you can host a private server on another pc or rent one probly and have as many join you and play whenever they want

so if you dont feel like playing 1 day ,welp no big deal , theres a server so your friends can just jump on and play

[formal hill]

Do you know anything about the alpha test or nothing yet?

[surreal sierra]

I do hope multiplayer instances will eventually be a thing again eventually . I enjoyed seeing people in Tortuga

[eternal dome]

Bruh they were so hard on the free stance

Click of finger now change

And still no alpha consolidation

[glacial cloak]

With the b2p model and mod support... If they don't do it the community can. There Have Been a couple Examples of Save State Swaps in Private Server Clusters in games Like 7d2d where there would be a server for each biome, a trade Server, PVP Server, Creative Server... etc.

Found it... World Of Amelia Server Cluster For 7d2d... Nothing Stopping the community or even the Dev themselves could use this same system to create The MMO, PVP, PVPVE modes in the Future...

[glacial cloak]

[Crosswind Roadmap: Updated](#💬│windrose-chat message)

Dev Update 14 Aug 2025

[stone iris]

Apparently this game is dropping the MMO tag and even trashing Tortuga and makes it a warzone..... If what I read is true, then this game is now dead to me, because the devs listened to a "handful" of people rather then the community at large v.v

[glacial cloak]

I think a Change in the Roadmap is par for the course... They Never Really Said MMO... They Stated MMO Like Features... And MMO and PVP are 100% Not Out of the game just yet.

[formal hill]

I saw this update, but did not find any information about the upcoming alpha test. Do I understand correctly, will it be possible to play the game only in 2026?

[quartz pivot]

The Alpha ended 3 weeks ago.

[glacial cloak]

If they Were big Smart they would take that Server Cluster Idea a run with it with a set of vanilla public servers... A PVP Server, Trading Server, Etc and Hide it behind good server meshing and UI

[quartz pivot]

There might be another test phase but it isn't guaranteed.

[ruby badge]

the community at large wanted the PVE direction believe it or not

that's why they went with this approach

[glacial cloak]

Just the big change about server types so the b2p means we may see Game access a bit sooner then anticipated. The "Early Access" announcement can help with the speculation as well. If Q4/26 is the aim for release; and considering Big Gabes new Stance on Early Access Titles; The I think we have a chance at seeing a test faze Q2/26... Crazy as it may sound best case is end of Q4/25 or start of Q1/26 as games can hold that early access title for a year without getting the evil eye for Valve.

[ruby badge]

I'm sure if the devs had a big team and more resources they would've went with the MMO scope for the game, but people and the players are viewing the team as 1400 employees, to run a big server that can host MMO elements and the nightmare of balancing the entire game for both pvp and pve is a big challenge even big compaines don't get right

[cosmic finch]

we should have the testing servers up streaming this game all day long to get momentum

[glacial cloak]

I wouldn't be surprised to see them Run a Short Beta phase; or two if needed; before early access drop and then Keep a Beta Feature Testing Server open afterword.

[cosmic finch]

i hope so!

[glacial cloak]

I see a lot of mixed opinions on the f2p Vrs B2p. Let me toss in two shillings
All F2P Games Have shelf life's - Once the servers are shut off the game either is locked in legal limbo or years of re coding can be required to bring back an Abandon Game.
With B2P - Once that exe is in the wild the Game Will Never Die...

There's this game from the 1900's still being modded today... The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall 1996

[ruby badge]

yes, not to mention the issue that if a free to play didn't have huge player base it won't be able to sustain itself for too long, its very rare for F2P games to manage to stay alive, the B2P is the best for the devs to make sure that their efforts are not gone and to get their revenue back to keep working on the game, and y es not to mention that this way the game will be owned by the players and if there happen to be the ability to host your own servers this will basically makes it that the game never dies

[surreal sierra]

b2p gives the devs funding to work on the game even further

as opposed to having paid battlepass, paid cosmetics, dlc, paid expansions etc etc. Much like Sot. all of which are hated

[ruby badge]

I don't mind paid cosmetics, as long as it doesn't effect the core game

[surreal sierra]

I dont mind dropping some irl dabloons on a nice looking ship set, but once a company goes down the road of paid cosmetics, it is inevitable it will end up with the rediculous looking cosmetics that make absolutely no sense and dont fit in with the genre or setting

[ruby badge]

like I can assure you if there was a cosmtic for the flying dutchman ship, many players will buy it, and thats not a bad thing

[surreal sierra]

of course not, because that would fit within the piracy setting.

Im talking about stuff like THIS.

Like, I thought this was meant to be the 1700's. What am I looking at

[ruby badge]

I remember I talked about a similar point here before, that what made me hate skull and bones is how stupid the cosmtics was, they all looked unbalanced and very "fantastical"

[surreal sierra]

the crappy gameplay turned me off SaB before anything else did.

[ruby badge]

YES god forbid this happen in crosswind, I will vomit myself to death xDDD

[surreal sierra]

I'd resign lmao

[ruby badge]

like sure if the ship customaztion allowed you to make your ship look like this, then go for it, but I hope the cosmtics you can buy doesn't look like this

[glacial cloak]

Best Cannons Ever

[ruby badge]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

I had to look twice to make sure these are cannons bruv wtf

[surreal sierra]

Let me clarify real quick just because I feel like I should add some detail.

Being able to customise your ship down to the smallest detail would be incredible. and if someone DOES want to paint their ship by hand to be a giant multicolour patchwork monstrosity, they should be allowed to.

however

If there is a cosmetic added to the game that changes the whole ship exactly like SoT, that is paid and does the same thing, thats when I despise it.

Someone mentioned in Atlas you can built your ships by hand plank by plank. Im talking about THAT level of customisation

[glacial cloak]

ValhimeRAFT tooo

[ruby badge]

pirates of the caribbean had great creative approach to ships, that looked outlandish yet realistic

I think the early concepts in skull and bones also had something great going, but they throw out cause they're stupid

[glacial cloak]

Ships were way more bad ars then what we see in the movies back in the 16 - 18 century . But 100% POTC knocked it out of the park

[surreal sierra]

those designs look really really great

[glacial cloak]

Ever See Them Turtle Ships ?

[ruby badge]

really bizarre and interesting way to build a ship

[glacial cloak]

These Things Were 16th Cent Transformers

The Builder Enthusiast Boss Ship....

Galley of the Roman Emperor Caligula on Lake Nemi, Italy, 1st Century

The Man that taught me how to sail had some binders with a collection of postcards like this...

[glacial cloak]

Last one 😂 launched in 1853, Great Republic was the largest wooden ship in the world... I first read about it in a copy of Ships of the Seven Seas

[ruby badge]

I remembered something and I want to share it, it might give the devs more boost, it might sounds cringy but when I was a kid around 6th to 7th grade, me and my friend used to sit down and draw a lot of "game ideas" cause we wanted to become game devs, but sadlly it didn't happen, however one of the game ideas we thought of was a pirate game where you can build your own town and have your own ship and crew, and where like all sorts of creepy and weird stuff happen in the world and how other pirates will team up to fight it, you can only imagine the amount of exctiment I felt when I saw this game few weeks ago

it felt like a fever dream, and brought those memories I had in school back to the present, that somehow that game is coming to life now, the good part is that me and that friend are still friends to this day, and he got super pumped when saw the trailer yesterday

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[umbral bridge]

Good Morning PVE Boys

[zenith pawn]

Pve is superior, u cant change my mind

[lofty basin]

Good morning well behaving chat

[zenith pawn]

Yk if you could enable pvp on a server, then people can just host their own pvp servers.
Problem fixed

[lofty basin]

I agree. But first it will need to be seen how dedicated server run

[obtuse tusk]

With that announcement, i think my group of friend will only come if we can join pvp server

So waiting on more updates! Else, well, it was promising, until it wasnt

[zenith pawn]

Its funny u say that, cuz I've seen way more people being happy about it.

[stone iris]

I don't care for an open world survival game that's solo or only has people who I invite....

[zenith pawn]

Yk theres gonna be server hosting right?
So who knows maybe you can find a community hosted server that full of people.

[stone iris]

if that is indeed the case, then i will pay to host my own server IF its not like that dumb sea of theives.... I wanna be able to play with a thriving community, not a few friends 😕

[patent raft]

They literally killed all hype I had for this game that sucks. I really was looking forward to it. 😢

The game didn’t even get to launch and they already ruined it for me.

[zenith pawn]

How did they "ruin" it for you?
Server hosting is still gonna be a thing...

[patent raft]

Because it’s not going to be an MMO with large official servers and it’s B2P now. I’m also more of a PvP person.

Maybe it was strictly advertised as an mmo but they sure implied it. Also every mmo YouTube channel described it as such

[zenith pawn]

Arent community servers basically "mmo" ...

[patent raft]

Kinda I guess but not really

Just another survival game. I wanted mmo features not just another survival game.

[zenith pawn]

Ark has community servers with hundreds of people and some server are even pvp.
And afaik, an mmo is a game where a large amount of players are thrown into the same world.

[patent raft]

Yes and I don’t consider ark an mmo I’ve played over 10k hours in ark.

[zenith pawn]

I dont see a problem with community hosted servers serving the "mmo" part

[patent raft]

It’s not what I consider an mmo is what I’m saying.

I don’t just want another survival game I’m sick of them.

[zenith pawn]

Well what u consider or dont consider doesnt change what an mmo actually is, an online world with random different players

[patent raft]

I thought it would be like the new dune game

[patent raft]

You’re literally the only person who sees it that way but okay

I guess battlefield is an mmo then

[zenith pawn]

Any online game with a large amount of players in the same world is an mmo

"Massively Multiplayer Online"

[patent raft]

Cool I’m not arguing with you

[zenith pawn]

tbf the game did attract some wrong players at first, but at least now that everything is clear and decided, it will find the right player base

[obtuse tusk]

i think it will depend of the size of the servers, if there is

Something like Vrising

60 players cap per server i think it was

[spiral maple]

Then don't play them.

[umbral bridge]

Dune suffering from their approach as well

it was the same, peopel were warning and got jumped by the PVE crowd

[obtuse tusk]

oh yeah, Dune is lost

[zenith pawn]

this game isnt dune, and it isnt trying to be dune
Its trying to be AC black flag, enshrouded and valheim mixed into one game
And afaik all those games alone are very successfull

[umbral bridge]

it what i said. They are going for low hanging fruits, its a lot easer to go the way they announced.

[umbral bridge]

They lost the interest of a huge bunch of players yesterday, same mistake so many others did before. Most of the ATLAS Community was waiting for salvation and this game was the hope on the horizon until PVP got purged.

its like saying: Well, i dont need 100% customer base, we take half

[zenith pawn]

mmo's also lose the interest of a lot of people over time, and in the case of a free mmo live service, it will end up as a disaster/loss for this game (dont forget the dev team is also small), potentially shutting down the servers too and no one can play.

The devs dodged a huge bullet

[obtuse tusk]

Sure, but enshrouded is one of those thing that, you grind thee main quest and PVE, then? Wait for new content? Thats the thing, thee gameplay loop is longer thanks to PVP, also PVP makes it own content

[umbral bridge]

pvp basically unlimited content

[zenith pawn]

as i said before, server hosting is till gonna exist, so there is a possibility for community hosted pvp servers

[obtuse tusk]

As i wrote, hopefully it will exist

[umbral bridge]

removing hints for pvp in steam, enough said?

but let me drink a huge bottle of copium that they will add it later 😄

[zenith pawn]

that doesnt remove the posibility that people can simply turn on friendly fire in their server

[umbral bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/tedlasso-yikes-gif-27201348

You think turning on friendly fire is pvp?

[zenith pawn]

friendly fire lets you kill players
pvp lets you kill players
I dont see a problem

[umbral bridge]

omg... I cant even comment this.. Sorry, thats never how you going to bring PVP in the game xD

[zenith pawn]

I will never understand the logic of some people

[obtuse tusk]

Most peaceful pirate i guess

[zenith pawn]

atleast the happines outweighs the disappointments, and what you say wont really matter anyway

[umbral bridge]

its the same with atlas back then, i have also been one of the ATLAS white knights defending everything

devs tend to just hear positive feedback

or even worse: Youtubers and content creators feedback

until its too late

[zenith pawn]

well the positive does outweigh the negative as far as I saw

I bet Yar_master is reading everything 😆

[surreal sierra]

We don’t need nor want an echo chamber. Feedback is feedback as long as it’s constructive. Constantly complaining about a change with nothing to add but ‘PvP is the only good option. Pve bad’ isn’t helpful.

The developers have made the decision and change on what they believe is best for their game.

[zenith pawn]

hallo

[surreal sierra]

And I will again use Yar’s own words. “We will happily address this again when we complete the main scope of our work” and “PvP is paused for now”.

Neither of these two statements are concretely stating that PvP will never be a part of Crosswind. Only that it is an afterthought for the time being. Things may change in the future, they may not. The focus is on the rest of the game for the time being

[zenith pawn]

exactly, some people think pvp is completely out the window but that isn't the case

[zenith pawn]

ah yes, silence, what a beautiful thing :]

[ruby badge]

being this passive aggressive isn't helping anyone, if don't like how the game direction is going just leave or stop complaining, its not the end of the world

[zenith pawn]

hallo

[ruby badge]

I want PVP to be part of the game as much as everyone, but I also like to see things realistically and as they are, the team working on the project is not in a position that allows them to deal with this workload, if they try to force it to happen it will damage the game as a whole, so focusing on the core parts is a smart move and show that they're not willing to overpromise

[thick tinsel]

I took part in the tests and I can say that this game is boring, every island looks the same, nothing new on each of them, the same locations,

[zenith pawn]

its a early alpha test, not the full game...

[ruby badge]

its an alpha so hard to judge if this is how everything will be

you have PVP in your name so I assume you're also not onboard with the direction🤣

I watched every streamer and piece of content I could find about the game, almost everyone enjoyed the sandbox exploration aspect of the game, which shows that the devs descion comes from the majority wanting more of this

[umbral bridge]

If the feedback from people thinking "turning on friendly fire" is enabling pvp made them go this way, then good night...

[thick tinsel]

I know it's being tested, but so far the creativity of the game's developers is weak

[ruby badge]

one of the things black flag failed to do right was exploration, it was following the ubisoft formula of just following every check box you can find, this game is doing something different

[zenith pawn]

Imo pvp players are way too aggressive in expressing their disappointments when they find out pvp isnt a gonna be the main focus of the game, or its being "paused" for now

Like no one said its not gonna happen...

[ruby badge]

PVP players acting exactly like how you would expect them to act, they attack other people 🤣 🤣 🤣

[thick tinsel]

PVP is the best thing that can be in the game

[ruby badge]

again, we can't judge yet, the game isn't even out yet

[zenith pawn]

optional, probably
Forced, no

[zenith pawn]

hehe, thats funny :]

[ruby badge]

arguing about it now won't change anything, the descions has already been made, all we can do is wait and see how it goes and have enough faith that it turns out good enough

[thick tinsel]

Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[zenith pawn]

I do think tho that if people can enable/disable pvp in their server, it could definitely satisfy both pve and pvp players.
But thats just my opinion

[naive hinge]

Bonjour everyone 👋

[distant mountain]

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[zenith pawn]

I wish days were longer
I keep going to sleep past 1am cuz theres too much stuff I wanna do

[ruby badge]

Bob is that you? 😂 😂 😂

[zenith pawn]

oh no, you found me on yt 😂

[bold rain]

I saw a lot of gameplay and the islands and the stuff that were already in there were absolutely amazing

[bold rain]

Absolutely not. Look at arks pvp

[zenith pawn]

pvp always turns into toxicity and random dudes bullying pve players that just wanna have some fun.
If it can be 100% avoided, I'm happy :D

[bold rain]

PvP brings soooo much toxicity up. Even on pvp focused stuff people tend to be absolutely stupid loosers

Best example is DbD. Its meant to be for funsies and people just insult each other

Like especially if they loose. Its always so funny to me

[neon mural]

I'm happy with their direction they are going so far.
Some of the suggestions I have are that they switch to player hosted worlds / private servers like valheim. Use less streaming assets so more things are client-loaded. It does make having pvp in a game harder, but less costly for devs.

[zenith pawn]

And the game can be kept alive even after support ends :D

[bold rain]

I read it like they changing exactly that.
Players host their own servers and such

Exactly because they stated that the game will be modable, with a server structure this would not work (or would be HEAVILY buggy)

[zenith pawn]

You mean with live service it will struggle?
With locally hosted servers it can totally work

[bold rain]

With live servers modding woulf be very difficult.

[zenith pawn]

Yeh

[bold rain]

Since developer dont see what exactly will be sent and received.

But with a complete coop game Im very very happy.

[zenith pawn]

Cant wait to mod custom crazy ships into the game :D

[bold rain]

The message just didnt told us that they cant develop the game they wantef this to be but it also shows us that they actually really care.
They stop doing stuff that would cost to much (time and money) and focus on the important things that players really liked so far.

They understand that we want a good product not just what most are releasing today.

[bold rain]

Flying dutchman, Black Pearl and all the licensed stuff will be in the game very fast.

Maybe some people mod real ships in.

[zenith pawn]

And the jolly roger :D

[bold rain]

And stuff like that are very expected

[zenith pawn]

This dev team is really great :D

They are taking the path to a strong and decent reputation

[bold rain]

They seem like it, yea
But im very cautios. I dont want to have another Skull and Bones moment.

Love the closed beta gameplay, loved the first two seasons and then they just added veeeery small stuff. And they keep pushing out small stuff.

I hope here they actually develop interesting stuff.
Not like Valheim does...

[zenith pawn]

Ubisoft is just mentally crazy.
They even blame their own consumers for not buying their games and causing them to lose money XD

And they even yoink the games away that you paid for

[bold rain]

Itd not the whole Ubisoft, but those that are in Charge ruining the company.

[neon mural]

idk valheim is my goto game between any games I play, just feels like going home after working a long day.

[zenith pawn]

Yeh

[bold rain]

I like Valheim. But their updates are... waaaay to small for the time tjey need.

[neon mural]

They do take their time, I can't argue with that.

but I also make mods for valheim so I try to fill content I'm missing 😉

[bold rain]

The game itself is top. Bosses are meant to be killed for progress but the world is open.

[bold rain]

I play it in vr. Thanks to modders the game can be impreddive

[zenith pawn]

the progression of valheim is just awesome
I dont like it when a game lets you skip to end game gear XD

[bold rain]

Impressive

[bold rain]

Yes. Arks progression as example is a total joke

Valheims is the best there is imo

[zenith pawn]

yeh

[bold rain]

Although i wish there was npcs you can recruit

So, need to work wonderful day everyone!

[zenith pawn]

you can recruit trolls for mining :D

bye :D

[neon mural]

well, I think that Crosswind will fill in a lot of elements that we want like that, I mean we have the npc's, they mull about and talk to you

can hire workers to do things, so that is cool

adding crew to ships will be huge

[zenith pawn]

Ive always wanted a pve pirate game with naval combat, fantasy elements, survival and land combat
and never have I found such a game until I saw crosswind dropping outta nowhere :D

pirate games like these are way too rare

[neon mural]

they should add in a similar mechanic to valheim raids, where pirates roll up on your base

[zenith pawn]

yeah :D
pirates, skeletons, etc

that would be really fun

[neon mural]

would add a lot more replay value

[zenith pawn]

and even an army from different factions, especially if your wanted :D

[ruby badge]

I hope we can recruit Quartermaster or First Mate

from what I've seen when you board other ships you can fight "sergeants"

so I assume we can maybe have the equivalent of that in our crew

[zenith pawn]

I think boarding a ship should give more loot than sinking a ship, it just makes a lot of sense and gives more purpose to boarding

[neon mural]

I think it does? idk but I think I was getting more loot for boarding, in most cases I didnt even fire a shot and just boarded instantly

[zenith pawn]

afaik, sinking ships in alpha didnt give any loot.
so what im saying is, sinking a ship should give loot, but less than boarding

yk, since some cargo can sink/float

[neon mural]

there was a chest in the water sometimes.

[zenith pawn]

oh ok

[neon mural]

though it blended in so much that it was hard to see

[zenith pawn]

I can't stop watching the new teaser, its just too good 😆

[umbral bridge]

Pls dont add other people so i can keep clicking on AI mobs and dont get hurt

[zenith pawn]

go play another game
leave this one alone XD

[zenith pawn]

pve games can be incredibly difficult if a game focuses on difficulty.
Go play elden ring and your perspective on pve will not be the same

[hard bane]

Valheim X Crosswind when?

[umbral bridge]

Stardew Vallley x Skull & Bones

[surreal sierra]

Stardew will always be my go-to relaxing game. Long day at work? Stardew. Stressful exams coming up and need a break? Farmin time

[zenith pawn]

terraria is my go-to game :D
especially modded terraria

[ionic bridge]

In their news update they mention being able to host games in your worlds as well as dedicated servers. It should be on their steam page if you wanna check it out

[jagged onyx]

would be cool to see a game like v rising, but like crosswind pirate, instead of vampire

[dire beacon]

The funny thing is that he keeps coming back here to talk so its almost like hes a closet pve enjoyer that is excited for this game to come out and cant wait to sink hundreds of hours into it.

[zenith pawn]

makes sense actually XD

[pseudo sparrow]

so... there wont be PVP ?

[zenith pawn]

no one said that, its just paused for now
It could possibly still be added in the future

[zenith pawn]

:]

[iron iris]

I read an article online that made note that changes are being made to the game and instead of an online mmo that's f2p, it's going to be a pay to play single/coop experience??

[surreal sierra]

correct

[iron iris]

I haven't seen anything from the devs on this tho.

So no more online open world?

[zenith pawn]

Its gonna be buy to play yes
Its gonna be pve singleplayer coop
And dedicated server hosting

[surreal sierra]

#│announcements there are links to the devposts there. they are also on the steam page

[iron iris]

Great another title bites the dust. Well this sucks. Thanks for the update

[zenith pawn]

No, but server hosting will exist, so expect community servers to exist

[iron iris]

It extremely disappointing to hear tbh.

[zenith pawn]

Bruh, the devs give us option to play online or singleplayer
But some online players are not happy anymore
Bruh

[iron iris]

PvE single player coop on a closed world isn't exactly what I was looking for. Hope it hits it for you. But single player PvE titles don't have a long shelf life typically unless there's a crazy out pouring of content that you then have to pay for and players eventually stop paying as they go for a different game. Online mmo tends to run longer imo

[surreal sierra]

Player hosted dedicated servers will be a thing. So multiplayer beyond coop isnt completely shelved

[zenith pawn]

Thats what I keep saying but everyone ignores it

[iron iris]

That also doesn't say still being worked on. It's just not entirely ruling it out

[vague radish]

Idd make this optional, as its definitely not for everyone

[surreal sierra]

Theres always different ways to read into things. I personally believe that the idea of multiplayer open worlds is not completely gone, just for the foreseeable future the focus and aim is single player coop.

A good example is how PVP will be handled. It wont be a focus for a long while however Yar has said it will be looked at further on down the line.

Combining that, PvP existing beyond coop worlds could potentially mean multiplayer open worlds make an appearance. Unfortunately it is still far too early to know or even say anything about it. I believe that with time and some patience, Multiplayer beyond coop will make a return in a way that will satisfy the majority of people who are looking for a somewhat MMO experience.

^ Please do not take this as me saying 'multiplayer confirmed 2026!' It is merely speculation and what I personally believe will eventually happen with time. Anything not from the Devs cannot be taken as gospel

[iron iris]

Unfortunately I'm jaded, just been alot over the last few years of game devs being pressured into changing the direction of their game by subsets of communities only for the game to die off rather quickly when people got what they wanted. It's becoming increasingly more difficult to find good online mmo with a blend of PvE and pvp in settings I enjoy.

[zenith pawn]

Mmo's can lose players, devs can lose money and servers are expensive to run.
When support ends servers shut down and no one can play.

Player hosted dedicated servers and singleplayer is the way to go, especially for this game

[iron iris]

I disagree but that's personal opinions and I don't care to argue that

[quartz pivot]

No one is stopping you from writing your own.

[surreal sierra]

True, I completely understand where youre coming from. I'm in a similar boat with trying to find the right games in the right setting.

Again I think with time, Crosswind will evolve into the game we all envision we want, and done so in a good way that caters to a vast majority of people.

All we need to do is give it time. The immediate focus is on the SP/Coop

[iron iris]

Ok

[iron iris]

I'll keep an eye on it. Still will most likely play but won't be a day one buy.

[zenith pawn]

Btw valheim and enshrouded is a good example of hugely popular singleplayer/multiplayer games that thousands of players still play.

[iron iris]

Again not gonna argue with you but I could just as easily show you the other way

[surreal sierra]

Entirely fair. I hope to see you on the seas one day once the game has had time to develop and find where it settles.

[next cave]

RIP pirate version of Nightingale :P

[bronze goblet]

I'm not hating or criticising anyone, but why are people all of sudden popping up saying games dead now, and acting like this was meant to be an mmo open world pvp game, etc etc?
Did I completely misunderstand what this games aim was? because I was always under the impression it was a survival game with OPT IN PvP, and the ability eventually to join PvE or PvP events of some kind.

[zenith pawn]

Its gonna be singleplayer pve coop, with player hostable dedicated servers

And now some mmo and pvp players are unhappy, even tho community servers is still a possibility

personally im happy with the direction, its best of both worlds

[bronze goblet]

yea i get that, I just don't understand why people seem to have the idea at some point it was gonna be open world mmo pvp, I never see that anywhere before, I've never seen anything to give me that impression, yet some people seem to be acting like it was meant to be that.

[zenith pawn]

me too dude, mee too

[ruby badge]

Because the majority of games are now online focused, and this generation of players are just used to games having these features, PVE and COOP games used to be very popular in the past before this whole multiplayer phenomena hit the market, where every game wants to be the next Fortnite or the next call of duty, whatever happend to good story telling or games are just meant for you have fun and chill with your friends, everything now days has to be either you kill me or I kill you for it to be fun, so I dunno, and its not like the devs ruled out the possbility of PVP they just said they want to focus on the core game first

[bronze goblet]

I also agree, I feel having the dedicated servers and mods will allow people to create what ever they like

[ruby badge]

either those people misunderstood what the game was or they wanted to play the game from the start just for the PVP aspect, which in my opinion better that they no longer want to stick around, cause the game at its core was focused on PVE

[zenith pawn]

At least there is still a huge player base for pve and coop games, this game just attracted some wrong players at first, no biggie

[bronze goblet]

yea I guess some people just ASSUME games will be mmo open world pvp because I 100% never ever was given the impression that Crosswind was gonna be that.

[quartz pivot]

Most of those folks are so self-absorbed they don't care what anyone else wants, including the devs.

The devs are making the game they want with some input from their community.

[ruby badge]

yeah even tho the devs made it clear that PVP was going to be optional

[zenith pawn]

they definitely ignored the "optional" part XD

[bronze goblet]

yes exactly

[ruby badge]

but yeah people getting mad about it has to do with the trend that has been going for few years with games

thats why you get companies like ubisoft saying that "single player games are dead" because they want everyone to be okay with the live service model, that has no end and keep sucking your money dry

[zenith pawn]

and then they can yoink it from all the players that paid for it

[umbral bridge]

They removed it from steam, the whole pvp thingy

[umbral bridge]

Well either this, or you pay to play, get 50h content and done

[zenith pawn]

wheres the thing that JeeZee said that pvp is paused, not scrapped, this guy needs to see it

[umbral bridge]

Same as Dune devs, they overrated the PVE feedback and will crashland the same

[quartz pivot]

It's literally in the image he just posted.

[ruby badge]

yes, because it will mislead players, if they're not sure if they can implant pvp or not then its better not to lie to your playerbase and be transparent

[zenith pawn]

oh, lol XD

[zenith pawn]

please read the whole message, you will see pvp is paused not scrapped

[ruby badge]

and whats wrong with that? some of the best games ever are single player games, why every game has to go on forever?

[umbral bridge]

Of course they say to bring it maybe later in, to keep pvp focused people interested, otherwise it would make poof and half the customer base is gone

50h content? xD

[quartz pivot]

They literally use the word paused.

[zenith pawn]

bro literally assumed half the community is pvp lovers

[umbral bridge]

no, most left already, so here in discord its less

[zenith pawn]

the playtest was over 50h, full game is gonna be way longer

[quartz pivot]

I doubt that or there wouldn't be so many posts claiming erroneously that the game is dead.

[zenith pawn]

cool, now those spots can fill up with pve players

[umbral bridge]

the game had tons of potential to be an insane success and attract a lot of people

[ruby badge]

I'm starting to feel that you're just here to rage bait at this point

[quartz pivot]

Still does; you're just bent because you can't have what you want.

[zenith pawn]

bro is just mad cuz he cant bully chill pve players anymore

[quartz pivot]

That is precisely what these folks arguments boil down to.

"Oh Noes, whatever will I do with myself if I can't hurt other people who are just trying to enjoy themselves."

[zenith pawn]

bruh 😂 so accurate

[dusty fox]

Given its a game about pirates, there shouldn't be surprise that people are disappointed in the lack of pvp mechanics.

[zenith pawn]

pvp mechanics could exist in their own servers, like its not completely gone

[quartz pivot]

They're not disappointed; they're taking their ball and going home.

[dusty fox]

As of now it is completely gone. Until they decide whether or not pvp can work in the game.

[dusty fox]

And what's the problem with this?

[zenith pawn]

as long as people can host their own server with pvp, which could possibly be a thing, I dont see a problem

[quartz pivot]

If these folks want a PvP game that the devs obviously can't make work right now there is absolutely nothing keeping these folks from writing their own game.

[iron iris]

You're arguing with children on a victory lap at this point. It's a waste of time

[zenith pawn]

says the 1% of the community

[quartz pivot]

Keep telling yourself that...

[iron iris]

I rest my case

[quartz pivot]

...maybe it will make you feel better.

[dusty fox]

There is a lot keeping people from making their own game.

@zenith pawn but there is a lot of assumptions with your statement.

[quartz pivot]

There are a lot of assumptions on both sides to be fair.

[dusty fox]

What does the common person associate with pirates? Freedom? Pillaging? Raids? Fellowship with crew mates? It is understandable that people won't want to play the game without pvp, because pvp does cater to that sort of mindset.

[zenith pawn]

my assumptions can be backed up with "pvp is paused for now" and with dedicated servers, which devs said will come to the game

btw the devs said pvp is paused for now, im not making it up

[dusty fox]

Cool so let's treat each other with respect. Understand that people are valid for feeling disappointed with a game changing its direction. They were excited and as it stands currently they may not have a game that fulfills their desire for a longer time.

[dusty fox]

They said it's paused for now but they still aren't even sure if it will work in the game.

They cannot confirm anything about pvp. That was the statement. To say that there will be pvp again is an assumption.

At best its wishful thinking

[zenith pawn]

"could" not will

[ruby badge]

at this rate this server will become a PVP server

[dusty fox]

Yes, but you are taking the angle of brushing aside people's disappointment because there could maybe be pvp in limited form sometime in the future.

[zenith pawn]

it already is

[quartz pivot]

It doesn't matter what the common people think. The devs are trying to build the game they want in the best way they can. The decisions they make about their own intellectual property is just that. They own the IP, not you.

[zenith pawn]

Yep, and they are listening to what vast majority of the community wants
nothing wrong with that

[dusty fox]

And the devs are very very fair for deciding how the game is going to go. It's their game and ip correct.

However I do not care for people brushing aside the concerns of those who were initially here for pvp. They too have a valid opinion.

[dusty fox]

You don't have the numbers to back this claim up

[zenith pawn]

I read everything, you dont

[dusty fox]

If you want to use the testers as an example then that's a flawed reasoning

Alpha testers are less likely to be a pvp group based crowd

[quartz pivot]

Got any evidence to prove your theory?

[iron iris]

This is where you undo everything you have said about them just postponing. So what is it? Listening to the "vast" community numbers(made up) or they can't do it? They are changing the direction of the game because some(factual) said they want PvE single player game mode or they can't make a pvp work so they are pivoting?

[dusty fox]

The simple fact that alpha tests have less players and typically less pvp. They're prepared to look for bugs and play unfinished games more than most pvp players are.

[ruby badge]

I would assume its both

[quartz pivot]

That is neither a fact nor evidence; it is merely an opinion.

[iron iris]

The argument tho that it's a vast majority is flawed because the vast majority haven't played and a vast majority joined here on the premise this was an mmo game.

[dusty fox]

But neither do you have the evidence to disprove it, how do we then use the alpha testers to define majority?

[ruby badge]

people fail to realize that this is an indie studio with no games under their belt yet, this is their first game, and runnig a huge MMO game as your first game require a lot of resources and experience, maybe they felt that they're not ready yet for that and decided to first take things slowly and establish a foundation for the game

[zenith pawn]

a lot more than just the people who playtested gave feedback yk

[dusty fox]

Why listen to the people who haven't played. This is possibly the most flawed thing you could do

[iron iris]

I agree with that. Completely understandable. Just pointing out the flawed logic of the two bozos on their victory lap misunderstanding my original comments about being disappointed in the direction of the game

[dusty fox]

People are sad that the game might no longer be for them, and instead of sympathizing and understanding, these two are basically saying that we are wrong for that.

[ruby badge]

tbh arguing about the situation now won't change anything, the devs will do what they want to do, whether we like it or not, they can use our feedback but the final say remain their choice, so really arguing is only a waste of time

[zenith pawn]

cuz there are lots of videos and details of the game, it can paint a very clear picture for people to give feedback based on what they saw

[iron iris]

Exactly what I said from the beginning and why I've basically not engaged with them

[ruby badge]

I totally understand, and I was on board with the PVP aspect as well, but thats how things went and all I can do is wait and see how it goes

[quartz pivot]

There is sad and disappointed, and then there are vitriolic statements designed to troll people who don't share your views. Like the comment about the game being dead now.

[zenith pawn]

yeah I agree, im backing down

[ruby badge]

if someone happen to do this just ignore them

[neon mural]

almost thought I was in dune's discord for a min

[quartz pivot]

Yeah, it's been crazy over there.

[iron iris]

Dunes a great case study of why trying to appease people over making the game you set out to make is futile. Player numbers have plummeted

[quartz pivot]

Not really. Dune was never going to be a full PvP game; it merely had some PvP elements.

[dusty fox]

It could work out for the devs, it might not. However I won't villainize people for feeling disappointed in the game that was originally advertised with pvp, no longer having it.

[zenith pawn]

no one said the game wont have pvp

[quartz pivot]

We're not villainizing, just pointing out that the devs made a decision as is their right.

[surreal sierra]

The game cannot be dead already. We've only just finished the closed alpha and the Devs have only just acted on feedback from said closed alpha

[dusty fox]

And we have never said otherwise

[quartz pivot]

But you have.

[iron iris]

Exactly. No one said full pvp? Why do you go back to that? Pvevp open world mmo.

[dusty fox]

I didn't at least

[quartz pivot]

It's not that either; it has PvP zones.

That is not the same thing.

[dusty fox]

The only thing I've said this entire time is that it's fair for the devs to change their game and its fair for people to not like the change. Two things can be right.

[iron iris]

This is crosswind but yeah same zones same thing. And again neither exotic nor myself said this games dead lol

[stuck sable]

Im good with Solo/PvE/Co-Op, Hosted Servers, all that. Ive never been big on PvP anyways.

[rugged flame]

I will still support the game but i cant help not feel a little less excited now that i know it will have no PvP. It is what it is tho.

[ruby badge]

the server is turning into a PVP server 🗿 , I couldn't stop them...

[zenith pawn]

what this man said is so true

[dusty fox]

Arguing statistics for what type of majority the player base is, is not arguing the game is dead either

[stuck sable]

Im also OK with them making it Buy 2 Play. Fine by me. Not going to complain.

[dusty fox]

You guys are reading what we are saying and then implying much worse than what we are actually saying

[iron iris]

Buy to play is fine. I was just disappointed to hear them moving away from the mmo aspect and into a solo/coop server mode

[dusty fox]

Buy to play is great imo yea

[zenith pawn]

largely available community servers are still technically mmo

[dusty fox]

"There's probably more players that wanted pvp than you think" - "the games not dead though"

"The devs have a right to change the game and people have a right to be upset" - "yea but its the devs game"

Like???

[iron iris]

Not at all the same. Thanks tho

[quartz pivot]

I am encouraged to hear that from both of you. Most of the folks who have been coming in all morning and complaining about this same issue have been far more ugly about both changes.

I do apologize if their comments made me more critical of yours.

[stuck sable]

has there been a lot of complaints?

[zenith pawn]

its exactly the same
both put you in a massively mutiplayer world that is online
and thats what mmo stands for

[dusty fox]

It's hard to do a f2p game without intrusive monetization. Possible, yet difficult. Buy to play will likely be much healthier

[iron iris]

Ok

[quartz pivot]

Not necessarily a lot but some of them have been angry at the community about it over a decision we had no real control over.

[stuck sable]

Eh, let them cry about it. If they dont wanna play it, thats on them. Some of them will prolly end up buying it anyways.

[zenith pawn]

only a few, but the few keeps coming back and complaining about the same thing repeatedly

[iron iris]

I understand. It's how it goes. Things tend to just hyper-aggregate towards the far end of the spectrum. I just enjoy open world pvevp games and was disappointed to hear this moving away from that. I'm a solo player 95% of my gameplay but doesn't mean I don't enjoy that element of those things being present

[ruby badge]

@Yar_master is reading the chat like :

[zenith pawn]

nah hes offline, sadly

[quartz pivot]

I rarely play well with others, so I stick with what I enjoy.

[quartz pivot]

I may regret this question, but who's YarMaster?

[zenith pawn]

a dev

[stuck sable]

I got no issue playing solo, getting a server with friends, or whatever. PvE is great.

[quartz pivot]

Ahhh

[stuck sable]

Some people just like to complain I think ...

[zenith pawn]

too much and very repeatedly

[stuck sable]

And yet some of them will end up getting it anyways, and playing it.

[zenith pawn]

yeah definitely, even if the game went the other way, I still would've played it XD

just with a slightly sadder face

but now it gonna be good

[rugged flame]

What i dont like when there are these type of discussions is that nobody mentions the fact that PvP is not the problem in its self , its the way its implemented with no protection for players who cant be online all the time. PvP makes the game more alive actually , those modes just need mechanics that make it more playable.

These games can have both PvE and also open PvP and scheduled PvP in them and even on the same map if that would be the plan from early on. These game mechanics can co exist and everybody can play on a map that feels more alive.

[granite oxide]

PVP was in the playtest to point out - to what extent it will be later it is not yet confirmed - The game is planned for a fall release of *2026 - A lot of changes can occur between now and then - like the announcement as here of potential early release #│announcements message

[zenith pawn]

It should be more like ark, the people that love pvp can host their own pvp servers or find one that someone else is hosting

And pve players can host their own pve servers or play singleplayer

its just so damn simple

[quartz pivot]

Hell, I'd settle for just allowing non PvP players to opt out of it entirely.

[rose jungle]

i was so looking forward to a pirate game that would give us some PVE But would feature some Light MMO gameplay with PVP. So sad to see this game go the easy way 😢

[zenith pawn]

community hosted servers is a possibility.
its not all gone, yet

[iron iris]

Exactly what I enjoy and why I play those games. That was what I was disappointed not to have.

[granite oxide]

on PVP There will be no pvp raiding of players personal islands - That is confirmed. The original intent was for you to progress beyond your personal island areas and into the multiplayer areas where there would be pve raids, pvp raids, etc - faction conflicts - the mmo style elements - but that does not effect your personal space, buildings in your personal area etc. What does affect your personal area are people you allow onto it - as they can build, destroy, explore on your map when you offline or online.

[rose jungle]

True. But not gonna support a game where what i want out of it is a community made aspect and not the core game 🙁 First Skull and bones and now Crosswind 😢

[dusty fox]

Worth sticking around the discord to at least check for updates, but hoping there's a game for you out there some day o7

[quartz pivot]

That's entirely your choice but don't expect everyone to agree with you.

[iron iris]

Tbf that comment also works in reverse

[granite oxide]

You are making assumptions though much to early - The game is in Early Alpha and they haven't fully flushed the PVP out to know what they will or will not do with it. So before you make a decision , I'd suggest holding on an follow it to see where it goes then make that decision.

[dusty fox]

So close to kindness and understanding and yet so far

[granite oxide]

What I'd like to see if faction base building and raiding in the multiplayer part of it - but I also will have to wait and see what they do with it 🙂

[rose jungle]

From Devblog 5. Sounds like they are going completely away from it. and will do PVE CO-OP like Fx. Valheim

[dusty fox]

Base building is very interesting to me. Rarely do you see pirate games with something like that.

[zenith pawn]

npc enemies from different factions would also be really cool, and maybe if your wanted, an army from a faction can come raid you.
And ships from different factions can attack you or even eachother, like in AC black flag

[surreal sierra]

PvP is just shelved for now. It may very well be revisited much later on

[quartz pivot]

WE can agree on that.

[zenith pawn]

people should really pay more attention to the faq

[stuck sable]

The last part of that image is important he says that "PVP is paused for now", the "for now" part at the end is important.

[granite oxide]

@rose jungle possibly, however that may change, becasue it is early Alpha. Either way will see how they take it than make a decision off that later on once it is more confirmed. Devblog's have often changed in game developement. It may not change, but we won't know for certain until they do an early release with what the direction is they ahve in fact settled on.

[rose jungle]

yea, ill stick around and be hopefull. But looking at the trend of games before. well....

[granite oxide]

The issue with the PVP, is it is an entirely different animal and so many game mechanics are affected by it. It may be revisited once the core game has been fixed and flushed out. I'll wait on Early Release and go from there 🙂

[ruby badge]

there's literally at least 1 year of time before the game is released, so anything can happen till then, a meteor could hit the planet and everyone dies, so just chill lads

[granite oxide]

@rose jungle I'm totaly understanding your point there - there is a trend for sure.

[dusty fox]

Much respect to swabien, handling controversy with grace

[rose jungle]

Honestly at this point WW3 is a bigger threat than a meteor xD

[surreal sierra]

Its been a handful the past 24 hours to be sure. A lot of people are disappointed with the news however we are recommending patience as there is still a LOT of time between now and release.

and a LOT will change

[zenith pawn]

I wouldn't say a lot, probably only some
But yeah there are dissapointments

[dusty fox]

Always best to make players feel heard and encourage them to stay when a change like this happens. Most of the time you'll see others making people feel shameful or isolated because of their opinion.

Such as above lol

[surreal sierra]

Indeed. We dont need nor want an echo chamber, feedback is feedback and we try to ensure everyone is able to voice their opinions

We completely understand that the shift away from an MMO-Lite experience is a disappointment to many, however as we have strived to point out, PVP is not gone permanently and may very well make a return in a way that satisfies those that want a true scallywag to scallywag experience.

[dusty fox]

Huge respect 🙏

[zenith pawn]

I see way more people being happy about the news than disappointed, but thats just what I saw

[iron iris]

I mean yo said all day people have been showing up complaining

[zenith pawn]

I didn't, I said the same people keep showing up

[dusty fox]

The mind sees what it wants to see. This doesn't mean that there aren't people who are happy with the change, there absolutely are. But it's important not to downplay the side who doesn't care for the change either. These are still equally community members and potential buyers.

You can sympathetically disagree

[surreal sierra]

For the time being, the Developer team has said they want to have their main focus on the Singleplayer/coop experience as their main workload and that PvP is shelved for now. BUT shelved doesnt mean cancelled.

Me personally, if PvP makes a true return in the way people imagined, I believe that an official open world multiplayer experience will be added as a result.

[zenith pawn]

I never said there aren't people who are disappointed, Im just saying the Joy outweighs the dissapointments

[dusty fox]

What is your goal in saying that

[surreal sierra]

I actively encourage those that are disheartened by this shift to at least keep an open mind in the future as things may change that people want to see and renew their interest in the game.

And of course if this change results in people no longer being interested or wanting to play then we have absolute no problem with that. As long as things remain respectful, everyone will be welcomed here.

[iron iris]

It doesn't seem that way considering it's all new people that you've been arguing with since I came around this morning

[dusty fox]

If your goal is to make the devs feel stronger in their decision that is perfectly noble. It is their game after all. But keep in mind statements like that are isolating and more likely to push people out of a community. Do we really want that?

The perfect scenario is a game where solo pve players can enjoy their experience, while players wishing for pvp can remain hopeful for the future. Downplaying their concerns doesn't fulfill the latter half.

[zenith pawn]

I keep saying that mmo and pvp is not completely gone, I keep trying to give people that are upset hope that the things could still be implemented, like pvp and dedicated server support, etc

But it keeps getting ignored and some people keep complaining just cuz the devs said "singleplayer"

[dusty fox]

It's not what you are saying, it's how

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/man-praying-black-man-praying-black-man-praying-and-crying-man-praying-and-crying-gif-23376408540985609

guys.. please stop fightin

[dusty fox]

I think I've said my piece

[surreal sierra]

Tbh we can say as much as we want at this stage. Nothing other than people experiencing the game for themselves will truly display the Developers vision. Which is why I preach patience, let the game release and allow people to form their thoughts on what is created and then we can go from there.

[zenith pawn]

fight stopped, peace obtained

the faq in steam discussion is still old, just saying :]

[next cave]

I'm just looking for a game like valhiem that has boats and swords instead, oh and skeletons :P

[zenith pawn]

Same :D

[dusty fox]

Will there be curse cosmetics?

Boutta become a ghost pirate if possible

[zenith pawn]

Curse cosmetics will be really cool :P

[quartz pivot]

Oh, like the Black Pearl pirates?

That would be pretty sick.

[dusty fox]

Yea, maybe a bit more ethereal in appearance though

[rugged flame]

I agree , it sounds logical but we dont know the developers perspective and its their game so they have the right to do the game they want. For us others who want a more PvPvE experience we just wait for future plans in Crosswind or other games.

[dusty fox]

Actually more like Salazar crew but more ghost like

[lone kayak]

🇺🇦

[rugged flame]

I know what you mean. I dont blame people who dont like PvP but like i said , the problem is not the PvP itself but the lack of mechanics that protect people who cant be online all the time.

It comes to the system in place. Im always curious why no survival open world game have ever introduced a system where your main base can only be attacked through scheduled PvP which can only be unlocked if others destroy a number of outposts you have ( which would be open for PvP all the time and limited in number ). In the same map you could include PvE only areas too and install PvE protection for people who dont want to ever be attacked when sailing around the map but are still contributing to the overall feel of a living world.

That way you would have open PvP for those who want it , scheduled PvP and PvE all in the same map.

[dusty fox]

Albion online has that type of system iirc

[rugged flame]

Just googled it , unfortunately it looks like a fantasy game , im not into fantasy that much. I would love an age of sail game with such mechanics. How do such mechanics work in game tho ? its a more fair system i guess.

[lofty basin]

Please do not advertise other games here directly.
Discussion around other games are okay. But keep it in a way that's not looking like you are trying to recruit players for it.

[rugged flame]

Its a game still in development and aimed for people who like PvP so i thaught its not directly competing with Crosswind which is mainly PvE , but ok will respect your demand np 👍

[zenith pawn]

Can the name of a game be said without providing a link?

[lofty basin]

Sure

[zenith pawn]

Sea of Remnants :]

[rugged flame]

The name to the game i was referring to is 'Sails' not 'Sea of Remnants' , but really its not competing direcly with Crosswind. Its planned to be PvP and also the artstyle is different. Its set in the age of sail of course.

[zenith pawn]

Oh I know, I just said Sea of Remnants cuz why not :P

Its also pvp afaik

[rugged flame]

Ah ok , Sea of Remnants is too fantasy for my tastes , i prefer games with a more historical grounded setting but others may like it.

[river night]

Wait is there a “transmog” system in the game or planned to be? Like a way to change the look of your armor without changing stats?

[sour wing]

Oh that's ALWAYS welcome

Honestly not having a transmog system kills a lot of game engagement for me. I want to look good

[river night]

Felt that

I mean the armor in game looks great but like, idk if I wanna wear the fancy jackets and feathered hats in the late game

[cloud nymph]

Guys, does this new change mean we will not have quests anymore and the game will be like only a survival?

[zenith pawn]

I dont think so

[river night]

I will say, the one thing I’m a lil sad about with the change from mmo to survival is that I reallllly wanted to larp as a rum runner. Smuggling materials through blockades n outrunning ships. Smuggle one clans stuff to another clan type.

[zenith pawn]

But there were never other players in your world...

Only in tortuga or pvp areas

And afaik, the game was always gonna be survival

[river night]

Fair… fair. Still, would be fun to work up to make a working sugar plantation and manufacture rum to sell, maybe a shipyard with a specialty in speedy punchy vessels

[zenith pawn]

It could still be a possibility, who knows :]

[river night]

Perhaps… perhaps

[zenith pawn]

I wonder many bosses will there be...
Hopefully 20 or more :P

[quartz pivot]

I could see that being fun.

[raven dagger]

the idea and/or reality of having your solo experience then interacting with others (like dunefor example) was a massive drawcard. i get they are small developers and that its hard to code for that succesfully let alone pay for the servers but damn this is personally disappointing, every second game these days is a pve coop survival game....meh, hopefully they reintroduce this concept later, i didnt care for the "pvp" looked likw s and b and that was pvp but boring pvp.

[river night]

Make some little hide away to store the goods in. Like that buried rum storage in potc.

[river night]

Felt that, I ain’t gonna hold it against them but maybe later they can pull that back. Or maybe it’s something you can do in a dedicated server or something. Guess it depends on how many people you can have in a server. Cause you’re got games like zomboid and valheim where the map is vast enough to host loads of people on it so you could have that “lone survival while watching passing ships” type deal

[raven dagger]

i mean interacting with strangers not hosting friends

mmo lite type vibe, like dune

[river night]

Well yeah but you could join a dedicated server without knowing people.

[raven dagger]

but yeah just wait and see, the building was so fun ill keep an eye on the game 👍

[river night]

I bet, I can’t wait to get my hands on it man. Haven’t been lucky enough to get an alpha code

[neon mural]

well, most pvp games have a 30 day lifespan, or that their playerbase dies after the first 30 days and the game doesn't last. It's not that there aren't a lot of pvp games, it's just that most dont make enough to support running them.

[raven dagger]

building was low key one of the best ive played, combat needed balance and work but oooo-eeee that building was tight!

[river night]

How was the sailing? Cause like… that’s been my biggest concern with pirate games lately

[quartz pivot]

It "reminded" me of Black Flag somewhat; it was alright.

[raven dagger]

rudimentary, was easy to use but pretty much just a A to B proposition? in combat it felt almost tab target if makes sense

[quartz pivot]

It took me a day to realize I didn't need to tack like real sailing.

[river night]

That’s fine, as long as it’s not like skull and bones we’re happy. I’m not asking for naval action level of detail (which would be awesome but unrealistic)

[river night]

That would be a fun addition lol, make you really think and plan out routes

[raven dagger]

i mean it is like s n b 😬 not dynamic like say sot, what i meant by "almost tab target"

its a low weight coding way to do naval i guess, anything more is a lot of work and strain on servers from what ive gathered

[river night]

No I meant like, the way the boats have stamina, turn on a dime, and behave like toys

[raven dagger]

ah fair yeah its not stupidly arcade like, like s n b lol

crafting was nice too, building and crafting was bloody great so if they focus on the others they have a hit on their hands, hopefully one day they revisit the mmo lite aspect

[river night]

I’m pumped. Can’t wait for a chance to play

Also the bones decorations we saw in the newest trailer makes me excited for as sea monster/whaling type of deal.

Build a tavern with a massive whale skull or sea beast skeleton hanging from the ceiling…

Also pumped to see how the crew hiring thing goes, and what kinda buffs you can get. Like a cable rat that helps your trim speed, a naval gunnery officer who ups your cannon reloads, maybe a lookout to increase spotting or map discovery radius from your ship

[zenith pawn]

imo AC black flag sailing was really good, would love to feel how sailing would be in this game :P

[elder kayak]

why is it trash?

Because you didn't get acces? I had also no acces.

If you don't like the game, just leave the server

[quartz pivot]

They did

[zenith pawn]

Bro replied to a ghost :]

[quartz pivot]

Funny thing is he's in another server I'm in and I'm pretty sure he's never actually said anything there.

[zenith pawn]

Message got deleted 😂

[surreal sierra]

It was just hateful and the member had left already. No point in letting it stay

[zenith pawn]

Yeh, totally fair :]

[rotund pike]

how can i join beta test? or there's no testing schedule yet?

[fast orchid]

Currently no tests running sadly

[quartz pivot]

The last one only ended 3 weeks ago; keep an eye on #│announcements for announcements for if they have another one.

Thank you. I am that pedantic.

Arthritic fingers suck sometimes.

[rotund pike]

tks guys i'll be looking for

[fast orchid]

Np

[calm wharf]

is anyone else a bit disappointed that they are taking out the MMO aspect of the game?

I am glad however that it is moving to a purchase to play model

[zenith pawn]

Personally im happy.
Dedicated server hosting will be a thing now, so if you like playing with a bunch of people you still can

[neon mural]

I don't really mind, mmo isn't really a fitting category for small player group limits.

[turbid spade]

I mean it never had a mmo aspect in the alpha or in any trailers

[zenith pawn]

yeah, you were still in your own world alone, except tortuga

[turbid spade]

True mmo games are supposed to feel like a mmo even in a alpha

I played dune awakening during the closed beta while it was still marketed as mmo and it never felt like one then a little bit before launch they dropped the mmo tag

[quartz pivot]

"True MMOs" are 30 year old text based dungeons.

[elfin barn]

Hello, I just joined the Discord server so I wasn't sure who to ask about this. I am a new content creator and I am very excited to jump into Crosswind. Is there someone I could reach out to and see if I can join in on the Alpha testing? I know it's a long shot but I wanted to ask anyways.

[quartz pivot]

Last one ended 3 weeks ago; keep an eye on #│announcements for announcements about future tests.

[zenith pawn]

some people say pve singleplayer games die quickly, but atleast they die in success and not in failure :]

And there are still always gonna be people who will buy the game and people who keeps returning to it.

just decided to say that for no reason :]

[neon mural]

maybe 20-30% of all games released will survive the first month, and that number doesn't get better over time, I can see this game going strong for a while. there is a lot of potential for it.

[zenith pawn]

yep :D

I spent almost 700 hours in valheim, I can easily see myself doing the same in this game :D

[turbid spade]

Depends on the type of pve content

[neon mural]

well, pve games certainly are the top sellers. Minecraft raised a pretty high bar.

[zenith pawn]

and valheim :D

[turbid spade]

Well Minecraft is also really popular because it has PvP

[lofty basin]

Bro forgets that Minecraft PvP was huge at time :$

[neon mural]

I mean, certainly was, but that was thanks to mods 🙂

[zenith pawn]

yes, but pvp in minecraft is in community hosted servers
So could be possible in this game with dedicated server hosting

[lofty basin]

I think PvP game that are not having a full on competetive component won't do that well in general.

Those that want to play full on PvP have so many PvP exclusive titles that are actually based on skill and not on grind, that mixed games usually just end up being mediocre on both ends

[neon mural]

elden ring, baldur's gate 3, palworld are other games that really pushed pve sales over pvp games mostly cause the top selling pvp game is fortnite.

[lofty basin]

(personal opinion)

[turbid spade]

Majority of the PvP happens in things like hypixel and not in community hosted servers

[zenith pawn]

hypixel is not an official server run by microsoft...
Its hosted by a group of people that likes minecraft

and its still a dedicated server

being run on a computer/server machine

[turbid spade]

Yeah but anyone can access it at anytime because it’s within Minecraft

In most community servers you need a invitation

[zenith pawn]

ark has a lot of community servers open at any time for anyone to join, same as hypixel
not all community servers need an invitation.

[turbid spade]

True

I’m just a little disappointed that crosswind won’t have PvP as a core element

[umbral bridge]

PVE Guards here will tell you all day that PVE is the solution for everything

And that you just need to enable friendly fire to make it pvp. Ez.

[turbid spade]

Yup that is how it always goes

[zenith pawn]

Im pretty sure with server hosting pvp could come to life if they make it an option to enable it on server

[rugged flame]

Atlas and Ark for example are survival games that people love to hate but its also true that there are even more people that love those games with a passion.

The reason is that these games feel alive , no matter if in positive or negative ways they make you feel something strong. Thats an ingredient you want in a game but than Atlas and Ark have the bad side to them which in my opinion is the lack of mechanics that protect people who cant be online 24/7.

All it takes for a survival game to be massive in my opinion is offer a game world like Atlas but with mechanics that keep the gameworld population healthy through a mix of open PvP , Scheduled PvP and proper protection for those who want to play only PvE. All in the same game world where everyone can still trade and meet everyone.

[turbid spade]

But the problem with that is the only PvP you primarily get is fighting your own friends which is not fun

[quartz pivot]

So for you to have fun those of us who don't want PvP have to suffer?

[zenith pawn]

Theres always a posibility for community pvp servers with a lot of people

[turbid spade]

I never said that

[quartz pivot]

That is what you just said.

[turbid spade]

How?

[quartz pivot]

PvP against your friends is not fun.

That's your exact statement.

So the rest of us have to PvP even if we don't want to so you can have fun.

[turbid spade]

Did you not see what the planned PvP for this game was before they changed it?

There was a literally going to be a zone designed for PvP

[zenith pawn]

☝️

[lofty basin]

The true PvP was the discord friends we made along the way

[quartz pivot]

And they've already stated they will come back to PvP after they get the game working the way they intended. They're an indie studio that made a decision on how they best can make the game they want. You can't expect the same things from them as a studio with 10000 developers and millions of dollars.

They literally called it a pause, not a removal.

[turbid spade]

I know but it’s going to be a lower priority

[neon mural]

everyone has their idea of what pvp is also, some think it's smashing someone's sand castle, some think it's an even matched bout.

[turbid spade]

Now I see what you meant

[lofty basin]

PvP is not a Fokus of crosswind.
It is as simple as that for now.

What the future may or may not bring is something that has to be discussed later down the road when the developers achieved what they are currently working towards to.

[quartz pivot]

At the end of the day it makes no difference what you or I as individuals want. It's all about what the devs can and want to create.

They've already said they would come back to this once the game works.

I wouldn't mind reasonable PvP; I just don't want to be forced into it.

[zenith pawn]

Community hosted pvp servers could be a possibility, btw :P
Just saying

[granite oxide]

@quartz pivot from what we had understood before you would not be foreced into it, but there would be areas of pvp and if you went into those then you entered for pvp.

[turbid spade]

^

[quartz pivot]

Was Tortuga (the only place you can trade in game) PvP?

[lofty basin]

They don't even allow me to take Swabiens lunch money 😭

[quartz pivot]

I only had 3 days, so didn't have time to make it there to see for myself.

[lofty basin]

No. There was an extra PvP arena (empty map of water)
It was very much just a playable concept. Nothing developed really

[quartz pivot]

Did really enjoy sailing around avoiding other ships in the areas I was in..

And the building was stellar...

[granite oxide]

I'm hoping they make it more like guild wars 2 pvp where even pve players can enjoy going into it without fear of loss but there are rewards - there is a penalty for dying - depending on where spawn points are and loss of xp for the fight going on lol Also lot instanced pvp, so It's fun and engaging, with rewards but not punishing like Last Oasis pvp for an example. I just want to see pvp that encourages more participation for those that might not normally try it. That's my perspective on it.

[lofty basin]

I don't think the current vision gives a lot of room for such things.

For now we will have to wait what the future brings anyways.
How general development goes on all the other parts that are vital for Early access.

[zenith pawn]

I just wanna play game offline or singleplayer with coop.
Pvp could be a server hosted by community for other people to join

Best of both worlds :P

[granite oxide]

@lofty basin currently no - but I'm hoping it goes back on the table later for the original vision of it in the multiplayer area - however if they don't - I'm also good with that as well as It is an amazing game. Hopefuly they will put something in that will get that itch for pvp players.

[quartz pivot]

I would gladly accept PvP for less of those angry wolves running around. Their hitboxes were way too small to be effective against in the dark. 😏

[granite oxide]

@quartz pivot wolves were very easy to fight - just needed right tool and the side step at right time - I found the rapier was best and dropped them quickly.

[zenith pawn]

Shifty john typing for 50 years 💀

[quartz pivot]

I may have found them long before I was ready...

[granite oxide]

That too lol

[lofty basin]

musket noise

[quartz pivot]

I didn't even know the game was a thing until a streamer gifted me a key right at the end of the test. I had a ton of fun in that 3 days though.

I don't think I quite made it to the musket stage. Had a working pistol and a decent cutlass.

[green yew]

So does anyone know any new info around the game? Are we just getting the same content as we did in the playtest? Is there much more, was the playtest just a small slice of what we are getting or was it the whole thing hehe. I can't wait for release day whoop

[unique helm]

SO GLAD the game has made this PVE Co-OP!! (mmo, just fails, PVP just fails)

[jagged onyx]

it would be cool once mods are a thing, if someone makes a one piece mod that adds devil fruits

[ruby badge]

How do I go to sleep and wake up and people are still talking about the same things 🫠

[unique helm]

@ruby badge because not everyone receives their news at the same time..duh!

[lofty basin]

You might wanna check out #│announcements

A new trailer and a dev blog have dropped very recently.

[hardy mural]

i saw in a video that this is not gonna be an mmo and free to play no more, is that true?

[spiral quiver]

the pay was never a set thing , it's now been decided

and saying it was an mmo was a stretch , technically it was a single player most of the time with an instance to a multiplayer facet

[zenith pawn]

Same :D

[spiral quiver]

mmo doesn't fail , if done right this would be an amazing mmo but alot of things would need changed

[zenith pawn]

It still costs alot of money to keep servers running, and when game starts losing players profits can drop.

Im just saying those are the possible risks, not every mmo fails like u said.

[zenith pawn]

Yep

[spiral quiver]

before blizzard put out wow , they had 2 established dev companies , blizz and blizznorth , when they shuttered blizznorth they moved everyone back into blizz and basically doubled the staff size , they had been working on wow maybe 2 yrs before announcing it. Most indie companies on steam are what 2-8 people at most , no where near what it takes to put out an mmporg.

OSI put out Ultima Online with a staff of 70 people

[zenith pawn]

Yeah indie dev teams are also too small to handle mmo's

[spiral quiver]

Everquest had like 130 staff

frggin ubisoft has a staff of like 400 people probly more split up between all their titles

and they royally hosed snb heh

[zenith pawn]

And they still make bad games

Ubisoft is just too gone now

[spiral quiver]

skull n bones had exceptionally bad leaders , it had huge potential , and even the live dev the other day just doesnt justify what the game has become

[zenith pawn]

Yeh, I wonder how that game is still alive

[ruby badge]

its not, it has like 1k players or something

[spiral quiver]

the lead dev was sitting there literally laughing at some of the comments people were saying and questions that were askin, like what a dbag

[ruby badge]

the only reason why they're keeping the game alive and making updates is probably cause of black flag remake

[zenith pawn]

Ima be honest here, I do play skull and bones :]
But I got it for like $10 so I said to myself why the hell not

[spiral quiver]

i play it because it was gifted to me heh

[zenith pawn]

Lol XD
I like pirate games too much, even if one is bad im still gonna get it at some point :]

[zenith pawn]

I wonder if they gonna screw up that remake.

Cuz knowing ubisoft that is a big possibility

[ruby badge]

if they screw that up, they will be the dumbest company ever

[spiral quiver]

they need to shutter one of them and move everyone to the other and try to salvage soemthing between the two

[ruby badge]

its like one of their most successful games ever, and making the game better isn't supposed to rocket science

[ruby badge]

many times I said I want to give it a try, but the way the grind and the customizations are made turned me off

I still go back to watch the 2017 E3 trailer and feel the sorrow of what could've been

[zenith pawn]

I dont mind the grind. Got the best ship (frigate) in like 3 days :]

[cosmic finch]

are they gonna be official server? or it will be on our side to create one? and support one?

I mean PVP it can be done as the DUNE awakening has in in Haga basin -
Meaningto say is on a specific area for specific loot. and its working like a charm.

[zenith pawn]

Dedicated hostable servers will be a thing
Aswell as singleplayer coop

[spiral quiver]

I love how no reads the news channel

[zenith pawn]

Ikr

[cosmic finch]

we do but something are unclear man yet

[spiral quiver]

whats unclear? it's written in plain english

[cosmic finch]

for things that YET are not decided?\

[spiral quiver]

everything has been decided , it's literally in the news

[cosmic finch]

no they are not

[zenith pawn]

Only pvp is not decided yet.
Everything else is

[spiral quiver]

pvp has been decided , again theres a link in the news

[cosmic finch]

omg we read it man and it is not YET is as for now somethign to be the last thing they will do

[zenith pawn]

It has?
Oh ok

[spiral quiver]

pvp is been axed

[cosmic finch]

u wanted to be so much hah?

[spiral quiver]

it's no longer a thing and isn't a priority

[zenith pawn]

You mean paused...

[spiral quiver]

not paused , it's literally not a thing

it's done , gone

[zenith pawn]

They said themselves its paused...

[spiral quiver]

ok listen , if the game is being shifted from a quasi mmo like it was during the test to single player , co-op / self hosted servers , pvp is done

[obtuse tusk]

PVP isnt done, they could make it like it is in Vrising, allowing PVP setting in th server

[spiral quiver]

the only way pvp will exist now is if they decide to make it an on enable option for people hositng servers

[zenith pawn]

Not necessarily, servers could be hosted with pvp for people that want it

[obtuse tusk]

The fact is that you want it gone, and it has been paused, doesnt make it real

[spiral quiver]

its not a fact of " I " want it gone , it's a matter of it's gone and not being even coded at this point

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[spiral quiver]

"I" have nuthin to do with it

[zenith pawn]

Not in singleplayer, yes
But pvp hosted servers could be possoble

[spiral quiver]

if they dont write the code for pvp , exactly how do you plan on enabling it?

[zenith pawn]

Bru they never said its gone

[ruby badge]

I wonder if the devs would hire me to do creature designs for fish people or sea monsters

[spiral quiver]

you're right , they said it's not a priority

[obtuse tusk]

How do you know they dont write code, nor if they already did but keep it on the side

its a checkbox in server configuration to allow PVP, it isnt that deep

[spiral quiver]

because yar was in here yesterday morning when they put everything up for the announcements and he literally said it's not a priority

[zenith pawn]

Crazed trucker just being a Crazed trucker :]

[spiral quiver]

i'm only telling you what came out of the bosses mouth

[zenith pawn]

It was a joke, pls dont attack me XD

[hot wharf]

The game had been advertised as free to play until a few days ago, and then two days ago they announced that it would be paid. I think it's a disappointment for those of us who were expecting it to be free to play.

[spiral quiver]

for 32 yrs , i retired last yr

[ruby badge]

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[spiral quiver]

and theres chap lol , stirin the pot

mornin bud

[zenith pawn]

Not a priority, but not completely gone

[spiral quiver]

ya'll can read what i write in any tone of voice you think i mean , but i'm just telling you facts is all

[obtuse tusk]

Good old you say it three time it becomes real, its not a priority, but its not gone, so still possible that they decide to make it a setting on hosted servers

[zenith pawn]

Yeh

[obtuse tusk]

If its not possible, then i'm out, it is what it is dude

[spiral quiver]

you could be right , but that's now how it was announced heh

not,,

i also find it highly funny , that a ton of people have come in here since the announcements and declared " if pvp is out , then i'm done with the game"

[zenith pawn]

They have hope :]

[spiral quiver]

thing is they dont

[zenith pawn]

Not all of them do, but some do

[obtuse tusk]

Because maybe they "listened" or ignored that some peoples want pvp, or they had only pve ers in the test, who knows

[spiral quiver]

alot of people pvp'd in the test , i did the last weekend of it since i had already done everything

i've never said i was against pvp , it's funny how people think im against pvp , hell i play eve lol

[zenith pawn]

eve

[ruby badge]

the thing is, PVP wasn't even a thing in the test

[spiral quiver]

it wasnt the main thing , but we could

[ruby badge]

like the testers couldn't even test that cause it wasn't fully implemented

[spiral quiver]

it was sketchy

like ship boarding ..ugg

@obtuse tusk listen , im not trying to tick you off , it's just a fact , if it does happen , it will be on the last of stuff they do

[obtuse tusk]

uh?

[spiral quiver]

Yar so much as said pvp isn't thier focus

[obtuse tusk]

I never read axed or any similar wording, so there is still possibility

[zenith pawn]

Yeh

[obtuse tusk]

wording is important, if it was off the table, it would have been written as such

[spiral quiver]

then you weren't in chat when the announcements were made , he was in here chatting a bit and he said that

[ruby badge]

this is what Yar said

[spiral quiver]

ty

[ruby badge]

do what you want with this information

[spiral quiver]

i couldnt find it..

[obtuse tusk]

Thats what i say, paused isnt gone

[zenith pawn]

Last bit of that message says "paused for now"

Just saying :]

[spiral quiver]

it doesnt matter anyway , who do you plan to pvp , friends on private hosted servers?

[obtuse tusk]

hosted servers?

[zenith pawn]

Community servers...

[spiral quiver]

like the rest of steam games that have psudo mmmo lol

[obtuse tusk]

Plenty game that has hosted servers, community, official, private, where you can have different rules, can possibly offer PVP

[jolly pawn]

D E A D G A M E

[obtuse tusk]

Its online co op usually

[spiral quiver]

there will be no offical servers

[obtuse tusk]

How do you know that?

They can just give that to a hosting company

[zenith pawn]

Like hypixel?

[obtuse tusk]

Yeah stuff like that

[spiral quiver]

they are an indie dev company with limited resources , trust me theres no money for offical server

[obtuse tusk]

Thats why they go with early access?

To get more founding and more peoples to know the game?

[zenith pawn]

Either way commnity servers are still good even if there will be no official servers

[spiral quiver]

and people would expect offical servers to be online day 1 on launch..and right now there isn't money for that

[obtuse tusk]

Pre orders?

There is lots of way to get monies in advance

[spiral quiver]

you see a pre order link on steam yet?

[zenith pawn]

[spiral quiver]

i havent

[obtuse tusk]

Again, its not because it isnt there yet, that it cant be there

[ruby badge]

Don't think we will see preorders before the game is near a Beta state or fully finished

[spiral quiver]

it honestly doesn't matter , we're over a yr out from release

[bleak glacier]

Are you developing the game

[spiral quiver]

nope , i'm working on my own project

[obtuse tusk]

Things can change indeed, thats why the only thing i can have is hope that PVP can be an option at very least

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-eating-amc-perfectly-popcorn-mouse-yum-yum-delicious-gif-15877432887457947334

[bleak glacier]

So how would you know what funding they have.

[ruby badge]

Thats actually a good question, I wonder if they're getting funded now or they're still working for the love of the game

[spiral quiver]

you're right , i don't ,it's just an guess

[zenith pawn]

Maybe both :]

[obtuse tusk]

hopefully both

[spiral quiver]

they could be like alot of other indies , fulltime job and working on this 5-6 hours a night

[zenith pawn]

Yeh

[zenith pawn]

Then how can they release it in a year
Games take way too much time to make

[bleak glacier]

And they also could use AI to help with a lot of that.

[zenith pawn]

Oh yeah, AI exists :]

[spiral quiver]

if they use ai to build the game they have to say that on the page , steam rule

[ruby badge]

I'm sure a lot of the game foundation has been worked on for the past 2 years at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfD4LINcq3g

[jolly pawn]

u guys just gonna make it like valheim with ships no with a Massive Naval wars PVP,..
it's gonna be dead on release esp it's buy to play,.. innovation is gone,..

[zenith pawn]

Black flag is singleplayer, has massive naval wars, and was hugely successfull.

Just saying

Also no one said pvp is gone, its just paused

[ruby badge]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[jolly pawn]

I won't buy it if it's just playing massive naval wars vs AI,.. xD

[ruby badge]

giveee mooore fightttinnnn

[zenith pawn]

I didn't start it

its just crazy how some people come and say dead game cuz no pvp or mmo

but they dont even think of black flag...

[spiral quiver]

thing is..it was never a true mmo any dam way lol

[zenith pawn]

exactly
and some of them completely ignore that dedicated server hosting will still exist

[spiral quiver]

to be honest..theres a 3rd huge potatoe in this house that we're gonna host a deicated on for me and my brother and our friends

that way if we're busing programming they can all get on and play

[zenith pawn]

cool :]

[spiral quiver]

i hoping they have a gui for changing server settings at the very least

[zenith pawn]

yeh, going through configs is a nightmare

[spiral quiver]

ikr

and i am hoping for pvp so i can screw with my friends lol

[obtuse tusk]

Least hopeful person 😅

[spiral quiver]

but people who thought this was a mmo drive me batchi crazy.. no , it wasn't an mmo , you were in a sole instanced world that had access to a mp instance in the game period , the game during the whole test was single player except 1 dam instance

[jolly pawn]

what's new with that? where's the Innovation? people want something new that isn't just a ghost of a good game,..

[spiral quiver]

well i mean , you could hand out your game key to others , BUT , that was co-op not mmo

[zenith pawn]

Enshrouded and valheim are singleplayer/multiplayer games, are hugely successful, and still have thousands of players playing...

And pvp is never said to be gone

[jolly pawn]

So where's the Innovation? u just copying older games and combining it? just a rip off? people won't buy it

[obtuse tusk]

The thing is, if they add no pvp, then peoples will just rush the content, complain about lack of content, leave, and come back next update

Its always like that

[zenith pawn]

there is no game like crosswind, they may look the same and graphics/ui may be similar to enshrouded, but the core game itself is very different and has a very different concept

[obtuse tusk]

Enshrouded has like 5k peeps right now, but got 33k last update, then peoples finished the pve and left

[zenith pawn]

sea of thieves also has 5k

just saying :]

[raven dagger]

that one instanced mp was a great pod, the pvp zone was another although empty, people really liked the possibilities so i can understand the disappointment. it now will have very simialr gameplay loops to other solo survival games but piratey, will still be a good game but...

[obtuse tusk]

sea of thieves is also a huge garbage bag with a flower on top of it

the dev just destroyed their own game over time

[livid shuttle]

The point is, the game’s not gonna die without pvp but if they put it it’s only gonna be beneficial

[obtuse tusk]

finally someone that gets it ...

[celest fjord]

it will die

[zenith pawn]

yep, some people assume its completely gone, but no one said that.
Its just paused for now

[celest fjord]

if there is not pvp the game is cooked not in 1-2 day but in 3-4 month

[raven dagger]

i understand not doing pvp at release and not being able to afford servers instanced mp would run on ones but geez what a missed opportunity

[jolly pawn]

Atlas, Abandon ship, Ahoy +Valheim Enshrouded

[celest fjord]

sea of thieves is cooked for real

the developers made their game even worse

[obtuse tusk]

sea of thieves dev broke so many promises, and the new player experience is awful, i think they removed content as well, on top of microtransaction hell and limited cosmetic

[zenith pawn]

atlas is abandoned
Valheim and enshrouded has no naval combat/pirates
Ahoy is pvp only and is realistic, no survival and no monsters

[celest fjord]

all of them are trash

[jolly pawn]

Ahoy isn't even out yet how'd u know it's pvp only? xD

[raven dagger]

crosswind is the same gameplay loop as valheim/enshrouded with pirate hats and thats fine

[zenith pawn]

its advertised as online pvp

[celest fjord]

its advertised maybe

[jolly pawn]

There's online Co op tag on it LOL

[celest fjord]

probably u cant tag #online pvp

[jolly pawn]

Check the steam page

[celest fjord]

i checked it thats why im saying u cant tag online pvp

[zenith pawn]

this looks like online pvp to me...

[celest fjord]

there is no online pvp in my page

[obtuse tusk]

there is trade and social mechanic, from their youtube page

[spiral quiver]

they call it " online competitive"

[celest fjord]

Online Pvp

ahoy gonna be trash in my opinion

[obtuse tusk]

"Trade goods, manage your Player and NPC crew, and engage in ferocious naval battles."Their steam page

[celest fjord]

skull and bones are better then all of them

[spiral quiver]

please tell me that was you trolling lol

[zenith pawn]

"a dedicated server can be modded for all out pvp and attract only people who also want pvp, if they have a problem with "that" ironically they are the problem"

Just read someone say this :]

[spiral quiver]

where? on the rust dis?

[zenith pawn]

reddit XD

its till true very true tho

[spiral quiver]

ive tried several games on steam for pvp..unltimatly because of gank squads or base raiding i've given up

[spiral quiver]

waking up and logging in to find everything gone is no fun , going around trying to do stuff and having 10 guys goll up on me and insta kill is no fun

[zenith pawn]

this is regarding the news, especially dedicated servers

[spiral quiver]

what i've found is pvp who argue for pvp just like to be in gank squads or exploit bug to have an advantage are usually the ones who argue for it most , basically just to grief others

[zenith pawn]

more like "bully"
but yeah, what u said :]

[spiral quiver]

like in ark where russians and chinese would warp from server to server while the entire server was asleep in the us and basically just wipe it to the ground

or in rust where they would glitch through walls

[zenith pawn]

bruh

[spiral quiver]

or in 7days2die when they would run around with a land claim block to find underground bases

or dig a 1x1 hole and glitch underground so they could see the entire map where bases were lol

on and on and on..griefers go to extreame means just to mess with others

[zenith pawn]

I only play 7d2d alone or with friends, I have like 540 hours in that game :]

[zenith pawn]

"bully"

[spiral quiver]

me and my brother have thousands of hours in 7d2d 😛

[zenith pawn]

elden ring is probably gonna surpass all my other games playtime

[spiral quiver]

not to mention eve..i've played eve for better part of 17 yrs lol

hell , im in lowsec mining right now lol

[zenith pawn]

bruh XD

[spiral quiver]

its been close twice tonight lol , i've had to run and leave drones behind

[zenith pawn]

I really love games that are incredibly difficult, like elden ring and the dark souls franchise.
After playing those games my gaming standards skyrocketed, way too high XD

[spiral quiver]

shoulda played uo back in the day , that was fun

still has one of the biggest map , 8k square miles

[zenith pawn]

tf is uo?

[spiral quiver]

Ultima Online

[zenith pawn]

ah ok XD

[obtuse tusk]

its always the same ...

[spiral quiver]

first mmporg , the grandaddy to them all

[zenith pawn]

imma play valheim now :D

[timber zealot]

I must say that since this announcement you have had the same 3 people attack anybody that had a different opinion over and over and over bordering on just insulting them.

[spiral quiver]

really?

[zenith pawn]

I didnt insult anyone, I keep saying pvp is still possible, its just paused for now.

I only get unhinged when people ignore that

[spiral quiver]

i just like to argue and be an ahole lol , so when people come on and say things that are pretty much in direct conflict of the news or stated facts by the lead dev Yar it's my oppertunity to have to ..until i get a warning from lily or jee lol

once i get my warning ive gone to far i stop heh

[surreal sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[ruby badge]

the server is failing apart captain 😔

[spiral quiver]

hey , mornin jee

https://tenor.com/view/thumper-gif-16129036212695421314

[surreal sierra]

Its not. Some people are upset about the change and they will move on. In time the community will settle and we'll find our forever players

[zenith pawn]

How can mods stay so calm -_-

[spiral quiver]

i dunno , theres gotta be times where you (jee) just want to beat the hell out of morons

[surreal sierra]

Years of doing the same thing in arguably worse servers

[zenith pawn]

Intrusive thoughts XD

[spiral quiver]

hehe

i honestly couldnt and cant do it , too many years dealing with real crappy people in shipping offices who treat truckers with the absolute least amount of respect they possibly could

i used to walk in some places cracking jokes , smiling and happy as i could be and walk out almost in tears from how i was treated

[surreal sierra]

Aye. Words hurt

[spiral quiver]

in 32 yrs , i've ever had 1 manager follow me out the door to appalogize for thier employee , and that lady walked out 10 mins with a box full of her crap and was escorted off property

[zenith pawn]

Personally, the only tears that come out of me is when my dad is dissapointed in me.

But I can get trash talked, beated on and insulted by other people and I wont even be bothered

[spiral quiver]

that was way early in my career , as years went on i got thick skinned , if someone acted like that i'd toss the load back to the broker and be like fu , im leaving , they can keep the dam load lol

once i bought my equipment i could choose who i delt with , my fav people were delta airlines , they pain hella good and were awesome to deal with , best part was , when i delivered an engine or whatever , i could text delta ground coordinator my delivery bill and within 2 hours that money was in my account

paid..friggin pain lol

if it was towards end of the day , then the next morning

[zenith pawn]

It is fun to not have limitations :]

[spiral quiver]

yup

same with freeman tradeshows , once the event was over and your booth was back to whereever it came from bam , the whole trip was paid that day

[zenith pawn]

:]

I wonder if this game will come to steam's new console?
I heard valve is planning to make a console, subscription free aswell :P

[spiral quiver]

you mean steamOS?

[zenith pawn]

no, console, like ps5 or xbox, i heard valve is making one themselves

[spiral quiver]

only console type thing i know of is steam deck , the steamOS will be windows type

[zenith pawn]

yeah those already exist

[spiral quiver]

um i know back in the day they were talking about a console , but i thought that was scrapped yrs ago

[zenith pawn]

apparently its being brought back to life, but better :P

[spiral quiver]

steamOS is gonna be friggin amazing , i've already seen it on linux based systems

[zenith pawn]

thats what I heard, not sure if its true

[zenith pawn]

cant wait for steamOS to get official pc release :P
im instantly gonna ditch windows after that

[spiral quiver]

ive got my pc ready for duel boot so i can switch back n forth between windows and steamos

if ue5 was more linux friendly i'd be on linux

[zenith pawn]

when steamos becomes more popular in gaming, and more devs actually makes their games support it, I dont see a use for windows :P

maybe on my laptop, but not on my desktop

[spiral quiver]

windows will always be around , the us gov can't survive without it