beebsis log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:38 AM

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hey

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:38 AM

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Hello there.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:39 AM

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you play venthyr even tho kyrian would be better?

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RgnKGFA27pvCMc41/#fight=32&type=summary&source=20

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somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:39 AM

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I have both in renown 80, last time I looked at a guide, Venthyr was recommended.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:40 AM

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zoldyck on subtlety?

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:40 AM

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Played assassination before, so used Zoldyck Insignia.

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 9:40 AM

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and you're running sin conduits on sub

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as nadjia

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:41 AM

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you have equipment

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that is 242

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 9:41 AM

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this whole opener is cursed

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:41 AM

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you get 252 rings from doing zm

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:42 AM

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Getting some better rings is definitely something to go for.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:42 AM

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minalba also mentioned conduits

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and soulbind

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theo + sub conduits

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in terms of gameplay

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you have a 50% uptime of rupture

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what is rly brutally low esp. if you are used to play assassination

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 9:44 AM

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you're using a lot of shiv as sub

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and there's really no point to do it

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:44 AM

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slice and dice uptime is good

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:44 AM

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Never was a problem as assassination regarding rupture - I think it's due to the time I'm in Shadow Dance atm and not having it in my stealth binding.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:44 AM

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you used 1 vanish over a 5 min 30

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the opener as minalba mentioned, just look up the opener in the #subtlety-faq

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your 2nd dance is weird

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the fight is halondrus that should allow you a near 100% uptime

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yet you have a 16 sec downtime

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and your 2nd symbols, even tho the first one was 9 sec in the fight is also delayed

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your 2nd dance is delayed for no reason there, also rupture would probably have to been used before that on 41

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shiv is not used at all

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:50 AM

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So I should focus more on my uptime over all, of rupture, use shiv more often as well as my shadow dance.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:50 AM

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your flag use here is totally useless

royal hound May 7, 2022, 9:51 AM

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No Shiv is never ever used

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Just dont do it

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:51 AM

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the only reason to use shiv would be to sooth

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there is also never a reason to use shuriken throw on this encounter

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:52 AM

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Guessing that's just bad placement from me.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:52 AM

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your dance is weird

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3 strikes in a row

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and only 6 of 8 gcds used

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 9:53 AM

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another instance of bad flag

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and shiv

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I don't get why you'd use shiv so often

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:54 AM

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symbols was ready there

thorny ermine May 7, 2022, 9:57 AM

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Shiv force of habit from playing sin?

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:57 AM

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thorny ermine Shiv force of habit from playing sin?

Forced habit from Assassination I think.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 9:59 AM

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i mean, i can go through the entire log and repeatatly point out similar mistakes

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but basically you rly need to learn the core aspects of the spec

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the basics

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for venthyr the core aspect is how to play flag and why

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 9:59 AM

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Yeah, I thought so - sub is very very different from last time I used to played it.
But basically

So more uptime on rupture, less shiv - no shiv mostly.
Fix my convent & conduits.
Better gear
Look out for vanish and use it
Better basic understanding
More focus on when to use Shadow Dance with sync from other abilities
How does this sound?

night garnet May 7, 2022, 10:00 AM

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basically you want to get 30 stacks if possible

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and thats why you flag-finish-cooldowns

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and it is very important to line up cooldowns

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shadow dance gives more cp income from strike

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and ultimately allows you to get higher stacks

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this is why this is rly bad

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you don't start with a finisher after flag, so already make it harder to reach 30

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 10:02 AM

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Yeah. I noticed that when it got pointed it, big flaw.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 10:02 AM

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then you basically only have a half dance left because you used flag before that

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and you did not have a dance to line up

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 10:02 AM

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somber shuttle Yeah, I thought so - sub is very very different from last time I used to played ...

don't go for "higher crit", go for better gear, your ilevel is SUPER low

night garnet May 7, 2022, 10:03 AM

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for cooldowns

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you want to keep symbols on cooldown if possible

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delaying it only for flag

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if needed and fit the conditions mentioned in #subtlety-faq

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shadow dance you line up with symbols

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and spare uses when about to cap

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you can usually use 2 dances every flag back to back

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if you want to play kyrian, dance use becomes a lot more agressive

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also downtime

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 10:05 AM

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Hmm, okay. Got it noted.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 10:05 AM

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one of the realy bad things

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you essentially have the boss you can stick to close to 100% of the fight

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you should rly not move away from the boss if not nessecery

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having 16 sec downtime means you just lose damage

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it is a essential thing in general

empty frigate May 7, 2022, 10:07 AM

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you can unbind shiv in just about any raid encounter

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 10:07 AM

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empty frigate you can unbind shiv in just about any raid encounter

Pretty much what I just did a few minutes ago. lul

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But yeah, I think I got the main points @night garnet , need to read a bit more about the core of the spec and playstyles. Much appreciated for the help.

night garnet May 7, 2022, 10:09 AM

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starting a new spec is always not easy

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just takes time ^^

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and practice

somber shuttle May 7, 2022, 10:09 AM

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Especially if you haven't played it for 3 years or so. lol

lethal hazel May 7, 2022, 10:09 AM

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if you need help with sin as well just hop on #assassination

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