palmer log review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:04 PM

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just going over gear, you rly sure stiletto is the best choice of conduit?

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:06 PM

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I don't know that I simmed conduits for dslice specifically, now that you mention i

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:06 PM

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its usual to use tornado after flag not before

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:06 PM

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TBH I probably just snagged whatever was on subcreation

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:07 PM

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i am unsure how you got 3 finisher in a row here

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oh tornado probably

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nvm

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no, tornado was on 15

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so should be after tornado

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🤔

proven apex Mar 29, 2022, 2:08 PM

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Parry? Lul

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:09 PM

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possible, but 2 times in a row would be quite unlucky

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:09 PM

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IDK ... I didn't stream the key last night (I'm starting to live stream to a private YT to review keys)

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:09 PM

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what i can se is tornado being used quite inefficiently

proven apex Mar 29, 2022, 2:10 PM

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I'm not seeing much black powder damage. Maybe your damage is a little too ethical to be shown as high on overalls :)

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:10 PM

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but also your single target/low target rotation is sloppy

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you did not align dance to symbols

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and then end up doing stuff like this

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probably hard to say if the pack died here, likely due to how it ends after

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:11 PM

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proven apex I'm not seeing much black powder damage. Maybe your damage is a little too ethic...

I was trying to funnel into prio targets, since getting incapped and the big guys are a pain in the ass. I think I funneled too much though

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:12 PM

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but in general

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you rarely align flag/symbols/tornado

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what is kind of weird given that it usually aligns quite well

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:13 PM

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okay, so in general - I need to Flag, then Symbols -> Tornado

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:13 PM

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also like here

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:13 PM

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And I probably need to worry less about funneling and more about doing damage itself

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:13 PM

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you did backstab after symbols

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and dance later

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:14 PM

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Yeah, I'm just full sending it and not aligning it at all. Okay, I need to clean that up.

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:14 PM

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or here, you dance, then have downtime shortly but still seem to have a pack?

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because you asap start doing symbols

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so dancing here was a waste if it was between packs

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or you did not play for uptime for any specific reason

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this is again just sloppy play

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losing a lot of globals

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flag-finish-cooldowns

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symbols into nothing what was totally fine here

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but then

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:17 PM

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Yeah, I think that comes from probably doing that wrong in 9.1 too with Assassination

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:17 PM

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why is symbols so delayed here and not synced with dance

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:18 PM

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I just didn't sync it? No good reason, honestly. Different KBs

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:19 PM

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i mean thats the entire log

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everything is just send on cooldown

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that works fine to a degree in keys with a lot of aoe

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but thats something people do who don't want to learn the spec

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but rather spend time in #outlaw memeing how the spec is only 2 buttons

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:21 PM

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Yeah, I definitely want to learn the spec. I just need to keep reading through all of the guides and review this a few times and continue to improve.

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I think I'm focusing on the wrong things

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Trying to focus on shit that in the long run isn't that important

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And because of that, I'm fucking up the actual important things

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Thank you for this. Next time I post a log I hope to have a lot of this cleaned up and just continue making progress to not suck

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:24 PM

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its fall fine, everyone starts out with a lot of mistakes

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but m+ masks a lot of things esp. in aoe heavy situations

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you can still peform decent to a degree when at least sending your cooldowns

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also m+ is probably a harder way to learn the spec given that there is so much going on

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so its easy to make mistakes

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:26 PM

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I've been playing Sub for a little over a week or two now. I know I've learned a lot, but I also know that I have a very long way to go. M+ has never been my comfort. I'm far more comfortable in raid where it's more scripted and I know exactly what to expect.

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I'm splitting focus between doing the actual rotations correctly, trying not to get one-shot by tunneling, etc.

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I also realized last night that I need to adjust my lag delay, because I wind up sending things by hammering keys that I don't want to send. I wind up overcapping CP and stuff because of the input delay

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:28 PM

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around 200 to 250 should be a nice value to fix this

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:29 PM

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Yeah I think I'm like 400 now and it's a bit too high

frank comet Mar 29, 2022, 2:29 PM

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I found adding /cqs before my finishers made it a lot easier to not overcap CP

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As it cancels any builder I might have queued up by brain delay xD

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:30 PM

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4p will make it even worse XD

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random finishers inc

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:33 PM

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/cqs?

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Ohhh

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It cancels the queue, got it

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:34 PM

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sending another spell also replces your queued spell

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:35 PM

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gotcha, okay - so a lot of good info to look at here and adjust my rotation.

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Thanks for looking at this. I really appreciate you taking the time out of your day to do this for everyone

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:35 PM

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i am sorry if it seemed a bit agressive

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:36 PM

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Naw you're perfectly fine. I'm making relatively egregious mistakes

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I'm still new to the spec and pushing keys in general, so I have a lot to learn and I'd prefer the more direct approach, personally

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:36 PM

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it might be interessting to watch a streamer like ramfam or jpc

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and see how they play around their cooldowns

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cooldowns are rly spammy on sutbelty esp. dance

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:37 PM

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Yeah, I watch JPC a fair bit but I need to watch him do more keys. I never paid a ton of attention when I was Sin

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:37 PM

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but others you might see them line up always 😉

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:37 PM

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Yeah, I think 9.1 Sin spoiled me

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It was basically "don't hold ever, just full-send"

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And now I'm having to break that mentality of just going full on send mode

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:39 PM

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its still the same

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and a lot of times its the right call to send

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esp. with shadowblades

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people love to hold that cooldown in keys

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partly for 10 minutes

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and if you see that you are like 🤔 that does not seem correct

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:46 PM

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I'd love to say I never do that

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But my first Sub key I didn't flag until like 7m into the key, and it was a SD

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facepalm

misty horizon Mar 29, 2022, 2:50 PM

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@burnt girder logged onto ptr

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seems like the 4p proc ignores symbols

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so you don't get crit on all strikes

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besad that they changed that

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oh... i wanted to post that in #subtlety

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my bad ^^

exotic sage Mar 29, 2022, 2:55 PM

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lol

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