🐼 Pandaria Remix Discussion

[iron lion]

Finally I can play

this is why I don't make new character

Also

Does everyone just have random shit they can't delete in the mail?

Unique tinkers that can't be destroyed

[distant briar]

ye

that happens when u already dropped them without noticing

nothing to do in that case

[lime sinew]

Delete the tinker from bags loot it from mail

[iron lion]

Once you get to max, is there an option to convert to a DF character or is the character locked in remix till the prepatch / the event is over?

[lime sinew]

Locked to remix

[spark spruce]

Till the event is over

[elder heath]

Its crazy how much better levelling is in remix compared to regular levelling

[eternal pagoda]

Wonder why

remembers the 1001 extra things tinkers make happen and all the crazy bullshit your character goes thru in a frame of a second

[elder heath]

Aside from the obvious broken tinkers and juiced cape, its just nice to have everyone queueing for the same content

You actually bump into other players in the world

[spark spruce]

true

and doing raids

in lvl phase

also kinda refreshing

[elder heath]

Yup

[eternal pagoda]

The fact everyone is connected in the same small map does a lot of the job and queus as you said are extremely fast. It's totally refreshing from what retail represents nowadays

[elder heath]

Maybe Blizzard should take some of this and juice up chromie time on a rotation after this ends, like for x amount of time an expansion is flagged to be turbo rewarding

To funnel all the levelling players in the same content

[hard bramble]

That'd be good. Timewalking should be weekly imo, just a constant rotation.

And tie it into that

[dreamy skiff]

https://i.imgur.com/aAKAqHL.png

[hard bramble]

Also, plz blizz. Can we get a all dungeon queue.

For chromie

[spark spruce]

a typical LFR/Normal raid

[dreamy skiff]

i mean i'm not THAT strong

its just lei shen normal

where no one knows mechanics

[elder heath]

I had to learn

It wasnt pretty

[spark spruce]

the knockback

[hard bramble]

lmao, yeah

[elder heath]

God the tanks died

so much

[dreamy skiff]

I died to it once

the dps ramping in the last phase was funny tho

[elder heath]

Also fuck that multi color beam boss

[hard bramble]

Magera?

Oh, no. Durumu

Durmu on LFR was peak MoP.

[spark spruce]

Just kill Durumu before the beams

[spark spruce]

btw

im at 83K threads on cloak again

the Lei-Shen trove and the daily stuff

is really good

[dreamy skiff]

I'm at just under 80k now

[eternal pagoda]

I will eventually catch up with you guya

[spark spruce]

[eternal pagoda]

I really want to become strong enough to carry my friends LOL

[spark spruce]

Just need more ilvl

thats it

[eternal pagoda]

Working on it

4x430 items already

[spark spruce]

a long way to go

young padawan

[hard bramble]

Contemplating what to swap victory fire too..

[spark spruce]

in ST?

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[spark spruce]

Hailstorm?

[hard bramble]

Already using it

[spark spruce]

Searing light, if you use lifestorm#

[hard bramble]

oh that's nice

I wonder if Searing Light and Vindication interact?

[spark spruce]

im not sure

I have vindication equipped pretty much all the time

Who needs healers, when you have vindication

ngl

[hard bramble]

Yeah running 1/9 with vindication owns

Atm I run Quickstrike, Windweaver, Brilliance, Explosive Barrage, Wildfire, Sunstrider Flourish, Slay, Hailstorm, Incendiary terror, Mark of Arrogance, Lighting Rod and Victory fire

[eternal pagoda]

If I keep clearing like I currently am, I'll be fine in a week or two

[hard bramble]

Might swap Victory Fire and Quickstrike for Vindication / Searing Light

[spark spruce]

i took out quickstrike

i did nothing on my feral

tbh

[hard bramble]

My gut is it just falls off really quickly anyway

Because it doesn't scale the damage so other tinkers will just outpace it

[spark spruce]

I have the meteor equipped

aswell

[hard bramble]

Yeah, that does seem pretty good

I think as your gear gets to the really high iLevels, raw damage beats out everything?

[spark spruce]

I think yeah

[hard bramble]

Except Slay

[spark spruce]

i still have brilliance

[hard bramble]

Slay is consistently good because of the sheer volume of damage it does

Windweaver and Brilliance seem very good in general

[spark spruce]

Winweaver scales

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[spark spruce]

But Ferocious bite still competing with all the gems

[hard bramble]

Maul for me, haha

My top damage is typically MoA / Maul

[spark spruce]

Ye

[hard bramble]

I wish world bosses gave 1250 bronze too

[spark spruce]

Yd

Ye

[hard bramble]

Running a +8 and going "why boss not die at 10%???"

[spark spruce]

Why am i sonslow

Where 49% speed

[hard bramble]

😄

[fleet shuttle]

You want enkindle it's quite good

Like a minute long 8k haste buff

[hard bramble]

Oh, the buff lasts for a minuite?

[fleet shuttle]

As long as the shield lasts

And it's like a 1.5m shield

[hard bramble]

I'm a tank, so

[fleet shuttle]

Which will last 1 min

Ic

[hard bramble]

Might not be the best fo rme haha

I think Tanks just want raw damage tinkers + mark

[fleet shuttle]

I'm running

1. group stuff: windreaver/lightning rod/brilliance
2. op stuff: enkindle/slay/vindication
3. dots: mark of arrogance/sunstrider flourish/wildfire
4. procs: hailstorm/explosive barrage
5. victory fire cause it clears everything

Can switch off victory fire in raids to meteor storm or incendiary terror or searing light if life storming (dealers choice)

[hard bramble]

Useful list

[quiet verge]

they should give rogue taunt so you could actually use mark of arrogance

[hard bramble]

Just do enough damage to pull aggro

[quiet verge]

press shadow dance and aggro is gone

or just autoattack without doing anything else and gems pull aggro anyway

[fleet shuttle]

Mark of arrogance is extremely good for solo content and it sometimes procs in raids so I leave it on

When it does proc it's one of your top dmg tinkers

And it procs everything else

Like mark of arrogance can proc sunstrider flourish

[hard bramble]

Yeah. Mine is at 5.9k per stack atm

and then with heroism and haste buffs it'll sit at doing the damage every 0.3s

[spark spruce]

Just stand in shit

And you apply mark

[floral glade]

One more upgrade level and I’m maxed

[spark spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-marvel-what-did-it-cost-gif-17159322

[fleet shuttle]

I upgraded all my gear

And immediately quit remix

I'll come back to farm mounts when they buff bronze gains in 1-2 months

[spark spruce]

I mean you got carried by your guild to get the Titles and achieves

So sort of a different view

[hard bramble]

I need 210k more bronze to fully upgrade my gear.

TOO MUCH

[floral glade]

Dalaran sewers gives 20-30k per hour

Which I’m comfortable sharing now that I’m done farming it

[hard bramble]

Haha, I don't think I can access it anymore

[floral glade]

Rippeth

[spark spruce]

doign daily stuff is also 30K

[hard bramble]

yeah

[spark spruce]

(not TOt and Soo)

[hard bramble]

That's my plan. Doing all the daily stuff and heroic raid with my buddy who can carry me

Although at this point it's straight duoing more than a carry since I do about 1.2m dps

Just gonna do it over the course of 3 - 4 more days and then it's time to get Mythic SoO and be f r e e

Decided to run two characters through daily bronze and use the second to slowly buy items

Esp as it's a bonus 40k bronze when I hit 70 on it and it's chill just doing the queues for elvels daily

[primal pine]

how much bronze do I need to buy everything?

I want to save up and buy everything in one go

[hard bramble]

I think it's 1.6m to get everything but I believe this includes upgrading to 556. So I'm not 100% sure on the figure for just cosmetic / mounts / toys.

[spark spruce]

that would be 500K for upgrades

ca.

12 Upgrade lvl

each 38,5K?

[hard bramble]

Yeah, 38,530 for a level.

[primal pine]

yeah im not worried about upgrades tbh

[hard bramble]

All of the Class Armours are uh.. 49,000 together. Weapons sets are 32,000 I think? (You get 1 of each for free, so discounting 3k for a weapon set, 4k for an armour set)

[spark spruce]

granted

that you had NONE of the things prior

[hard bramble]

Yeah. And then there's the armour sets for each raid difficulty and each raid tier. Which are 5k per.

I think there's 99 of those?

[primal pine]

for the sake of making it easy, lets assume I have nothing

[hard bramble]

Proabbly around 1.1m or something for everything.

[eternal pagoda]

@spark spruce I'll allow you to carry me thru raids today if you do them later

[fleet shuttle]

Wdym

It's quite easy to do a mythic siege pug rn if you are 450+

I did one on my own yesterday just to see how it was

10 sec boss kills

My guildy just carried us in daily heroics early on because it was faster for farming bronze

[hard bramble]

There's no wrong way to play Remix imo.

Except fishing I guess

[primal pine]

bro

the toys are sooo expensive lolol

the toys will be last since theyre only usable in pandaria

[fallow moon]

I know, have you seen the prices of legos?

[primal pine]

you shit lol

[fallow moon]

[fleet shuttle]

What are the garrosh heirlooms useful for

Are they any diff from normal heirlooms

[hard bramble]

I tihnk they have gem sockets on them but that's it. Cool cosmetics

Just not obtainable anymore outside of this.

[spark spruce]

Ye

Not obtainable aynmore

and sockets

thats it

[primal pine]

1.5 million

is how much bronze you need to buy everything

[spark spruce]

Unlucky

Good thing i can farm everything myself

[primal pine]

good thing I chose a class I liked lol

[spark spruce]

Ret?

[primal pine]

outlaw

I can play non-crackshot builds without throwing lol

[floral glade]

Also I would like to tell everyone “you’re welcome” in advance when blizzard inevitably nerfs the gear upgrade costs 20 minutes after I get the last piece to 556 later today.

[primal pine]

servers are down soon so I wont be able to play at all

[fallow moon]

@spark spruce I think the answer was in front of you all along 😄

[primal pine]

lolol

[spark spruce]

No

[primal pine]

yeah idk what mans was thinking

[spark spruce]

He is lying

he cant chose a class he like and cant be the biggest outlaw fan without crackshot

Literally impossible

[primal pine]

a real outlaw doesnt play around stealth

what am I hiding from?

[spark spruce]

Obv not from your copium intake

[floral glade]

I like outlaw so much I rerolled to warrior

[fallow moon]

crackshot outlaw is a very very recent version that was yoinked by unquenchable dopamine addicts, I said what I said ✋🤚

[primal pine]

youre right

and

they should have the title of outlaw fan taken away from them

[fallow moon]

100% uptime on CDs, sprints, etc is not healthy imo, no matter how much "fun" it is

[floral glade]

I was like “man, I hate using stealth. I wish outlaw was Tankier and had better self-healing without sacrificing mobility”

And fury warrior rolled up like “hey bitch we got 3 auto heals and you can solo god”

[primal pine]

bro found out about fury

[floral glade]

Warriorcraft claims another

[primal pine]

its actually world of outlawcraft

idk if you got the memo

but

crackshot is ded

we back on top boiz

[spark spruce]

So much copium

[primal pine]

also

bis stat weights

[floral glade]

This on remix?

If so your stats are ass

Gotta get those 100+%

[spark spruce]

Ye

[floral glade]

[primal pine]

im lvl 34 and have barely been playing

[spark spruce]

Speed 18%

you arent playing

[primal pine]

I said weights, not that my stats are good

[floral glade]

PATHETIC

If you aren’t hardcapped at 159% run why live

[primal pine]

I can tell yall like crackshot because yall dumb af

[spark spruce]

Ye

[primal pine]

only real outlaw mains are smarp

all that rum goes to our muscles

[spark spruce]

Its insane

How you are the biggest shittalker

[primal pine]

my shit talking is at like 5% rn

[spark spruce]

You shittalk 100% of the time

[primal pine]

untrue

[floral glade]

In one sentence, explain what outlaw does better than either ass or sub if you want stealth focus combat, or better than fury or ww if you want tanky-melee with self heals

[hard bramble]

🫡

[spark spruce]

Doesnt matter everything is at 556

already

[primal pine]

if you want stealth combat, there are two other specs just sitting there waiting for you

[spark spruce]

How about a late Neck/Ring and Trinket upgrade track

[primal pine]

I need to get rings

aw servers are down

[spark spruce]

Thats what i meant

[floral glade]

That’s not what I asked. The issue with outlaw is it doesn’t excel in any one area

[hard bramble]

Love being EU.

I get to PLAY

[floral glade]

Until tomorrow

[primal pine]

and?

[hard bramble]

It'll be up as soon as I wake up

[primal pine]

I dont need the spec to excel to be better than blue parsers

and 1600 cr scrubs

I put the outlaw in outlaw

@eternal pagoda can you turn the servers back on rq? I need to buy rings

just 30 seconds

literally all I need

[eternal pagoda]

Aight sorry

They should be on right now

[spark spruce]

If i Do them

Im eepy

And hungry

[eternal pagoda]

It took you 3 hours to reply xD

[spark spruce]

Im hungry ok

[eternal pagoda]

Why don't you go get food

And nomnomnom

[spark spruce]

At work still

[eternal pagoda]

Same

1:30h left

[spark spruce]

30 left

Well technically i can go now

!8 moreos Do you work here?

Unlucky

[eternal pagoda]

He doesn't

[spark spruce]

Just like me

Doesnt work atm

[eternal pagoda]

I'm watching my machine work

While I'm chatting here

[hard bramble]

Hell yeah. Just Mythic SoO left

[eternal pagoda]

Ez

[hard bramble]

It was. Almost full 556 group doing lifestorm + ward on stackmarks.

Everyone doing it properly so it was absolutely nothing.

[floral glade]

A full 556 group doesn’t even need to ward

It’s faster to just roll

[hard bramble]

This still made it die extremely quickly.

[floral glade]

We 9dpsed it yesterday and bosses dissolved

[spark spruce]

Bah

Nah

Lifestorm

Ward

Is so much faster

[hard bramble]

Yeah, it's insanely strong.

4 lifestorms, 6 storms. Proper stacking and usage. Bosses died in under 20 seconds

Also wildifre can proc on MAgera and skip multiple phases lmao

[spark spruce]

We did 5/15 Split for mythic

Lifestorm and ward

Thst Was OP af

[hard bramble]

Yeee, it's what I'll hopefully do for mythic

[dreamy skiff]

lifestorm at 556 heals for 4.2mil + if you have 556 gear you're probably juiced enough for 100% crit so really it's 8.4 mil per person, adds up quick into wards

[hard bramble]

Yeah, plus the damage is kinda absurd on it too

[dreamy skiff]

third purple from trolls

[hard bramble]

I've had way more purples just dropping today from open world stuff

They've def tweaked it

Which is good.

[dreamy skiff]

good stats too

[small timber]

We got anything bigger?

[hard bramble]

lmao, geez

[eternal pagoda]

There used to be a boss before those wards blew up

[dreamy skiff]

that probably is a full one shot

[small timber]

Yes boss fight was 0:05 secs

[dreamy skiff]

lmao

pre-pop?

[spark spruce]

How

Wtg

Wtf

Mythic?

Lifestorm?

@eternal pagoda

will prolly do heroic in a few mins

[eternal pagoda]

I'll be home in 10mins

[eternal pagoda]

home

wait i actually took 10 mins

[spark spruce]

ye 1 heroic

im ready after

[eternal pagoda]

Aight i'll be online Pandaroyal-grimbatol

[smoky pollen]

are you guys EU or NA?

[eternal pagoda]

EU

[smoky pollen]

Any room? I'm 445

[spark spruce]

ye

[smoky pollen]

Ithilrandir-Kazzak

[quiet verge]

it does even more, at 556 im healing the ward for like 60m at best per lifestorm if it gets stacked properly

as usual tooltip numbers dont tell much

[dreamy skiff]

How do u make it stack reliably

[quiet verge]

stand next to a wall, and face your back against the wall

even easier in a corner

if theres only a flat wall, you will get the two back circles right on top of each other and the front circle will overlap them a bit

but the ward target also has to know and not stand in the middle of a boss arena

[floral glade]

I am now fully maxed. Expect a nerf to bronze costs within the hour.

[dreamy skiff]

Thank u for ur service

[floral glade]

🗡️🫡

[fleet shuttle]

This is worse than any frogger cloak lol

Why doesn't blizz nerf stuff like this instead idk

[small timber]

Sorry just saw comment
No lifestorm stack by going into corners so all of them spawn ontop of each other into ward

[small timber]

Ive seen you in 2 different servers whine about cloak,cloak is completetly irrelvant once you farm the ilvl and/know how to use ward
My 340 friend was doing 130m with their ward

[fleet shuttle]

Exactly

It's irrelevant

No need for rollback

Pointless

Just hits dedicated players for no reason

Mind numbingly stupid decision

[hard bramble]

Yeee

[eternal pagoda]

what is that supposed to mean? xD

[spark spruce]

Only the ilvlm of lifestormers matter

[small timber]

Pretty much

[quiet verge]

froggers malding

should have farmed non-frogs

[spark spruce]

im at 92K again

so

[hard bramble]

The problem with the frog punishment is it hit people who barely grinded it, which is hilariously stupid of Blizz. And didn't impact anybody who turbogrinded it

Just big brain geniuses

[eternal pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-thats-me-only-me-gif-13516013

[hard bramble]

High5 royal

[floral glade]

I’m waiting for them to go “Since nerfing frogs and reducing the power level of frog farmer cloaks, we’ve seen several hyperspawn farms pop up to replace them. Because these farms go against the intended playstyle of mop remix and create an outlier of players, we will be carefully adjusting the powers of players who farmed frogs due to the bad example they served to other farmers. To do this, we will carefully measure the number of frogs each player killed and then reset their cloak to 500 threads regardless.”

[eternal pagoda]

[hard bramble]

lmao, yeah

I am surprised there's been nothing about the gate farm which was an exploit. Nor the other farms which weren't but still very big.

But at this point they need to stop nerfing.

[primal pine]

My work week is about to begin

Literally crying

[dreamy skiff]

Idk how that gate farm even worked all I heard was it was tos breaking potentiallly

[hard bramble]

People found a way to get around the 10 instances an hour limit

and killed the first trash in seconds, reset, repeat. Infinitely. Hundreds of runs in under an hour

The exploit part was being able to circumvent the 10 instances an hour limit, to be clear.

[minor citrus]

@fleet shuttle tl;dr what stats we building on sin?

[eternal pagoda]

EVERYTHING

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[floral glade]

Given that it’s fixed now and therefore not sharing an exploit, how did they do it?

[hard bramble]

I legit do not know, haha

I have a thoery, which is that they used a trial account (or a patsy) to take the hit of the instance ID and then somehow avoided taking it themselves.

Because a lot of the groups were asking for a 5th via group finder to 'boost'

But I am honestly not sure. I bet it's incredibly dumb.

[quiet verge]

i thought it was just that lfg didn't (doesn't?) count for the instance cap

but i didn't read up on it so idk really

i finally unequipped my last crit gem today as it became completely useless btw. 80% natty crit + BTE means always critting everything

[hard bramble]

Haha, hell yeah big crits all the time

[quiet verge]

outlaw damage breakdown is funny in longer fights

gems, gems, gems, gems, main gauche, gems,

[hard bramble]

Hahaa

[dreamy skiff]

Main gauche actually fucks if you end up with shitloads of mastery somehow

[primal pine]

that's what I'm saying

Things just die :)

[silk yacht]

ye

200% haste doesnt fix KS tho

[primal pine]

It does not

[spiral pond]

at high ilvl on a dummy unironically all 3 specs are very similar

[primal pine]

Whoa

Petless unholy next

Idk how but I should at least try it

[spiral pond]

try something like this https://gyazo.com/808258e27b68498ab733792b9231d0d2

does pretty much the same damage as assa if you want to play outlaw

[drowsy crest]

this is broken

op

[spiral pond]

ye there is another one above it that does the same

[drowsy crest]

but drop the stamina

and get the ghook talent

[spiral pond]

stamina can give you damage if you play certain tinkers

but you can pick whatever there

[drowsy crest]

yes but, grappling hook is fun

.

[spiral pond]

you are already a speed demon

hook feels like slows you down

[quiet verge]

hook + heroic leap

[spiral pond]

nah

animation too slow

oh ye

you wanna play double vanish with outlaw

if you wanna go for damage

[quiet verge]

remix vanish doesn't work properly

wont even let you ambush

[spiral pond]

it does

[quiet verge]

or lets you do it once then its grayed out for some reason

[spiral pond]

you can between the eyes just fine as well

idk, never had problems with it

[quiet verge]

but like 95% of your damage is from gems anyway so most of the time i just pistolshot once and then autoattack

[spiral pond]

other than its not my stealth bar

ignoring ward, main gauche is doing alot of your damage

[primal pine]

Fellow based outlaw leap enjoyer?

[quiet verge]

main gauchers

[primal pine]

Yeah thats why im not even bothering with real builds tbh

[spiral pond]

looks like you are missing some mastery there

[primal pine]

My guy is a lefty now lol

[quiet verge]

replacing last mastery gem whenever i get more diamonds

mastery doesn't do anything for gems

[spiral pond]

https://gyazo.com/e1063e4efa786602dc519b7b315b32cc

this is mine

[quiet verge]

[spiral pond]

need to snapshot a good slice and dice as well

this is a little bit longer dummy

https://gyazo.com/d9da9bc86368154c0f127e12e2dfea7a

[silk yacht]

bte might not be needed aside from getting to crit cap, havnt actually tested dropping cs and crit bte

[distant briar]

guys question, if you do just garrosh for example in HC, can you join another HC group in the same day and leave in garrosh?

[elder heath]

Yes

[distant briar]

got it

[dreamy skiff]

i think they nerfed ward

[spark spruce]

did they?

Because that would be a weird timing for it and they didnt announce that

[past kindle]

some people talk about a nerf to bronze costs comming up

just a hoax or anyone with more inside?

[hard bramble]

I'd be very surprised if they did that at this point, but it'd be good. Heard nothing though.

Might just be wishful thinking.

[spark spruce]

Hoax

[hard bramble]

There's two things they could realistically do. Nerf the cost to upgrade gear. Make bronze more plentiful. So I guess the two main theories will always be one of those

[spark spruce]

That would be such a shitty decision

for everyone who upgraded and bought mounts

Only thing they could do is buff Bronze income more

[hard bramble]

That'd be the best solution, yeah.

Like people have said: XP gain at max level to bronze gain%!!

[spark spruce]

will not happen

[hard bramble]

nope

But it'd be a really elegant fix

[spark spruce]

would it be

for people who didnt do raids while lvling

and them not receiving EP bonus now

[hard bramble]

You can get so much though

My main is at 600% XP

It takes no time to stack it up

[spark spruce]

Ye mine too

We wouldve an advantage

over people with 50%

[hard bramble]

Yeah

But we're also basically done with the event or closing in on being done

[spark spruce]

just buff bronze by 50%

or 100%

[hard bramble]

100%

No more nerfing anything imo

[spark spruce]

Finish balancing Remix

and concentrate on TWW

S4 is over anyways

[hard bramble]

I've been sitting at 3rd highest Sub rogue on my server for 3 weeks lmao. It's not moved an inch.

Really funny how empty S4 has become

Which is fine imo, it's an off season

[spark spruce]

Nobody plays

Game is dead

[hard bramble]

Game is sleepy

Remix is probably the best between expansions event they've done.

[past kindle]

we maybe see this

but later in remix to give people a reason to return to it

[hard bramble]

Yeah, I absolutely expect a big boost in the final weeks regardless

[eternal pagoda]

Let people upgrade rings and trinkets and everyone will lose their mind

Tbf those should scale with your average ilvl

[spark spruce]

Ye

all of them

give stats like one 556 item

[hard bramble]

Yeah, haha

Kinda weird they aren't just 556 imo

[past kindle]

it might be still a controversial take

but let people have fun and get upgrades easy/free

the gearing system on pandaria is too close to the retail one

so for me the content is too close to how retail plays

[hard bramble]

I still need so much bronze and I'm at the final 5 upgrade tiers

It's such a silly grind

[spark spruce]

You get like 1 tier per day

if you do the nromal stuff

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[spark spruce]

for 1 hours playing

[eternal pagoda]

Im doing everything I can daily (without overkilling myself) and I'm getting 1/2 tiers per day

[hard bramble]

It's not the worst but it does get boring quite quickly.

[eternal pagoda]

Just started getting 444 items

[spark spruce]

Just increase Bronze drop

easy

[hard bramble]

ye

[spark spruce]

Just give every boss 1000 and 2000 brozne to drop

[hard bramble]

Every queue should be 1250. LFR bosses should drop 500 per. Normal 1000. heroic 1500. World bosses should drop the 1250 caches too.

[spark spruce]

on normal

[hard bramble]

high5 similar thoughts

[spark spruce]

and 1500/3000 for heroic + mythic

[hard bramble]

Yeah

Just ampi t up

[spark spruce]

Would make hyperspawns

less benefitial

[hard bramble]

Yeah - the design goal (in my view) should be making the casual 1 - 2 hours the best bronze gain

Designing it around the people like me who play an ungodly amount of WoW and can do evertyhing daily is bad.

[floral glade]

Note that’s only siege though, the other raids lock you to difficulty and run

Also did mythic siege in a full 556 group and it was a faceroll. No clue why people are paying 2m for it.

[floral glade]

That’s what they did with the dailies. My first hour each day is the best thread/decent bronze gain, then my next two are the best bronze gain by chain farming heroic raids

[spark spruce]

They are too lazy to get to 476

[hard bramble]

Yeah - they just need to go further with it imo.

The changes to the dailies + thread spools were reeeeally good.

[floral glade]

I feel like people don’t realize how much gear upgrades pay off in subsequent bronze farming. Everything dies faster, you get invited to groups faster, and the groups you’re invited to are stronger so the primary source of bronze (raids) take less time

[eternal pagoda]

Do people in SoO mythic bring healers or 1/2 tanks with 19/18 dps with vindication is enough?

[floral glade]

Mythic is 20

[eternal pagoda]

Yeah I'm numb on the maths

[hard bramble]

I agree completely. Gear is the best initial upgrade but it's a hard buy if all you want is cosmetics.

[floral glade]

We did 2 tanks, 2 heals, 16 dps and spammed ward on pull

[hard bramble]

But the more you do the more you do

[floral glade]

But I literally just invited everyone who signed up

We were melting bosses fast enough that comp didn’t matter

[eternal pagoda]

I really want to become a power house to obliterate all hcs and eventually mythic soo

[hard bramble]

It feels great

[floral glade]

Only hard fight was paragon because the aoe rings blew up half the raid, but the other half still got ‘em down

[hard bramble]

I'm looking forward to being able to carry my friends through stuff since they just don't have the same time I have

[eternal pagoda]

I'm not that far off, already at 400ilvl

[floral glade]

You get bronze faster as your ilvl goes up

[eternal pagoda]

Same but they do, they are just lazy

[floral glade]

Also holy shit the first time you earn 40k bronze after hitting max feels so good

Because you have 0 guilt spending it on cosmetics

[hard bramble]

haha yeah

[eternal pagoda]

Yeah for THOSE WHO GOT IT

[hard bramble]

I'm leveling an alt up and he has 27k bronze at level 55.

[hard bramble]

subseuqent characters get it regardless

[eternal pagoda]

I know I just wanted to complain

[ruby sinew]

hes gonna get another 30k the moment he hits 70 lol

[eternal pagoda]

My Alt is already 60 somethinf

[hard bramble]

valid complaining imo

[floral glade]

Oh I meant the first time you farm 40k after fully upgrading

[hard bramble]

Oooh

[eternal pagoda]

Ooooooh

[hard bramble]

Haha yeah

Every bronze gain after capping is gonna own so much

[floral glade]

Because normally that was getting dumped back into upgrades

Whereas I was like “hi galleon don’t mind if I do”

🫳🏻
🦎

Yoink

[hard bramble]

haha

[eternal pagoda]

I laughed

[floral glade]

(Don’t actually buy WB mounts until the end, since they can drop)

[eternal pagoda]

We should gather a bunch of big guys this next four days and carry others here in discord

I'm on the side of being carried still

[floral glade]

I’ll carry a Ravenholdt run

[eternal pagoda]

A discord run

Let's fucking go

[floral glade]

Me and a couple others carried a random guilds 30 man heroic soo run yesterday and it was fun

15 people were getting one shot on every pull

[eternal pagoda]

I still need Soo and tot HC for the title

But I haven't really tried to do them

Since I wanted to get op first

[floral glade]

ToT hc is tough if you’re not geared

[hard bramble]

SoO is really easy imo, because you can just stack SO MANY people

[floral glade]

Duuurmu and animus are pug breakers if you have to do mechanics

[eternal pagoda]

Maze is easy if you actually can watch the floor

[hard bramble]

It's the beams that wipe pugs

[spark spruce]

Just do Lifestorm ward

[floral glade]

My man duurmu hasn’t lasted to beam in my groups

[spark spruce]

and durumu is deadge on no time

[floral glade]

Let alone maze

[hard bramble]

lmao, hell yeah

Animus is probably the worst

but he's eaiser on heroic than normal which is really funny

[floral glade]

If you’re stacked you just have everyone aoe the little dudes

Since everything else is managable

Heroic animus drops 2,500 bronze though, which is rad

[jagged flare]

haha animus is a funny one back then it was also super hard until you got more gear

[eternal pagoda]

Wait, important question

Mackie are you EU?

[floral glade]

USA born and raised baby

🇺🇸 🦅 🌖

[eternal pagoda]

Rip being carried by our fav pirate

[spark spruce]

[hard bramble]

I'll be 556 in a few days, at least.

[eternal pagoda]

We were trying to organize a ravenholdt HC run

To help peeps do their stuff

[floral glade]

Royal are you alli or horde

[eternal pagoda]

Rolling alliance on MoP

I'm a panda

[floral glade]

Ah, then the spot I found for 30k bronze per hour won’t work

Rip

My recommendation is to farm bronze until you can get the pieces to the 450s

[eternal pagoda]

I tried farming kunlai, works well if the other monkeys in the party do their part

[floral glade]

Any popular farm sucks because there’s too many people

The trick is to do a hyperspawn farm that got nerfed, because threads don’t matter and nobody is there

[eternal pagoda]

So frogs work?

[floral glade]

Not sure, measure bronze per hour as you farm

If you’re not getting 15-20kph you shouldn’t bother

I was doing dalaran sewer guards

With 3 monks putting statues in each ring

And we were pulling 30k just spamming aoe

Once you’re around 450 heroic raids in a good group are the best

[eternal pagoda]

450 ilvl or 450 items?

Just to be sure

[floral glade]

450 items

Idk the ilvl, I think it works out to be around 400

[eternal pagoda]

I already have some of those

I'm at 400

[floral glade]

Yeah start applying to heroics

[eternal pagoda]

@spark spruce Has been carrying my ass thru the first 3 raids actually ehehe

[floral glade]

In order of speed/ease
MSV > HOF > TOT > SOO > TOES

[eternal pagoda]

That's why I only miss tot and soo

[floral glade]

TOES is east it’s just slow for the bronze you get

Ton of RP

[eternal pagoda]

@hard bramble eu or na?

Trying to figure out who we could help and invite here

[hard bramble]

Eu 🙂

[eternal pagoda]

Good good

@spark spruce Watcha think?

[spark spruce]

I mean yeah why nozt

[eternal pagoda]

I just don't want to burden you with more tasks to do bro xD

[floral glade]

My man if you are organizing a carry group you cannot go “just don’t want to burden you with more tasks” when people actually sign up.

[eternal pagoda]

What I mean is, so far the only EU guy I know that can carry is Tiramil

And that's why I was asking if he wanted to join :3

I still can't carry shit

[eternal pagoda]

@spark spruce @hard bramble you both available later today? We could try doing a full clear either today or tomorrow, best way to grab people is on #wow-general

[spark spruce]

Would rather do it on weekend

[hard bramble]

I'm not available for it today, sorry.

[eternal pagoda]

I'm fine either way, gonna spend the next 4 days at home

[fleet shuttle]

You don't need a carry

Just make a group "heroic world tour 400+"

Invite geared people

Gg

[eternal pagoda]

The idea was to help folks here in discord

In a run or two

Nothing too big

[floral glade]

Idk when I join a group that’s called “425+ BIG PUMPERS ONLY” and the lead is 315 I leave on principle.

I don’t mind carrying but I’m not gonna carry some dude that’s trying to trick folks into not noticing they have no gear

Plus normally the real max level groups are called stuff like “fuck it we ball”

[eternal pagoda]

Noticed that a few days ago, leader was 320 ilvl or something asking for 420+

[floral glade]

If they have a min ilvl listed but don’t have that ilvl marked in the group finder it’s the biggest red flag in existence

[fleet shuttle]

I mean I don't do that in case 476 player applies with his 340 friend

But i'm above the threshold set

[hard bramble]

I tend to invite enough to carry and then invite whoever randomly

[eternal pagoda]

climbing the ranks boys

[spark spruce]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mop-remix-hotfixes-ward-of-salvation-cheese-and-slay-nerfed-342172?webhook

Rip

That was it

[eternal pagoda]

rip

GG

Slay nerfed too

fucking stupid hotfixes

[spark spruce]

Nerf all the things after 2 weeks

Just fuck over people who werent able to play this gamemode a lot

Im Glad i have all teh achievements

[eternal pagoda]

Me to my pall: lets try and clear SoO today!
Him: Yes!
Blizzard: Yes... but with a twist.

[spark spruce]

Boosting heroic is now not good

[eternal pagoda]

Now we actually need to do... mechanics

in a fun mode!?

[spark spruce]

Like doing TOt

you actually need people with Gear

cant boost 5 persons

[eternal pagoda]

Tiramil it was fun while it lasted

[spark spruce]

Well

HoF and Mogu still work

But Sha of Fear?

Tot?

nope

[silk yacht]

tot is ez af without ward cheese, just need 1 or 2 people

can carry 7 people ez in h tot

[eternal pagoda]

Now what meta will i use

[silk yacht]

chi ji because it goes nyooooooooom

[spark spruce]

idk

Timing is so weird

Why wait so long

to nerf ward

Like i said, they fucked over people who wanted to do it slowly

[silk yacht]

do what slowly

[eternal pagoda]

without the obligation to log in every day to do ALL the daily activities

[spark spruce]

Playing the mode

Not farming a lot

like royal

who was 406

[eternal pagoda]

yeah

like me

[spark spruce]

makes it just more annoying

i dont care at this point

i have done all achievements

fortunately

[silk yacht]

idk
ward needed to be changed because it did a bit too much. but mostly because the community kinda toxified it a bit with the whole WARD CHEESE OR KICKED in some cases

[spark spruce]

Well

Now

it will shift to

450+

in heroics

and 460+ for mythic

🙂

[dreamy skiff]

damn

rip ward cheese

[spark spruce]

The thing is

Without ward

you have less runs that are successful

and with the "old" ID system you are locked for that day

[dreamy skiff]

i think you just go lifestorm + searing light

and still get some kind of nuke like that

[hard bramble]

blizz why 😦 why nerf

stop nerf, only buff

[spark spruce]

Maybe Fervor is good

[dreamy skiff]

i mean ward cheese was clearly very broken so its probably fair that its changed

[hard bramble]

Bit late imo

[spark spruce]

ye

[hard bramble]

It should've been nerfed much sooner, or just left as is.

[spark spruce]

Way too late

why not nerf it first week

Why let echo milk peopel for gold

with ward strat

[hard bramble]

I do agree it was broken as hell. But at the same time if you leave it as is for 2 weeks when it becomes the norm. I dunno. bad.

Good luck getting into groups if you aren't maximum iLevel

[spark spruce]

You jsut fuck people who play the game the normal way

over and over again

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[spark spruce]

We the nolifing

are done anyways

(to some degree)

[unkempt ermine]

Yep

[spark spruce]

Like the Message is

ABuse as fast as possible

before Blizz nerfs

[trail forge]

abuse early abuse often

[floral glade]

Lmao full warded mythic siege last night because I knew it was coming

[silk yacht]

idk, normal and LFR are hyper trivialized, and heroic to a degree is hyper trivialized without cheese strats

leaving some room for some difficulty is nice

[floral glade]

Cape rollbacks when

[spark spruce]

With bear now

spaming frenzied

[dreamy skiff]

i think tye yrefverted it

[spark spruce]

?

[dreamy skiff]

they reverted it or something

[spark spruce]

That was self heal

[silk yacht]

dhs have a fuck ton of self healing

[spark spruce]

ye

only that one ?

[dreamy skiff]

how about the hunter tho?

the entire raid popped off

[spark spruce]

Look at all teir dmg

[spark spruce]

can you put it on pet

and do mend heal

[dreamy skiff]

but that wouldnt heal 134mil

[spark spruce]

idk

Maybe you can still overrride it and stuff

idk

[hard bramble]

Entirely possible their fix didn't fix everything and it's so broken it rides again

[dreamy skiff]

https://i.imgur.com/tNk7bDc.png

guess teh boss

[hard bramble]

Hmmm

Council in tot

[dreamy skiff]

lei shen

[hard bramble]

hah

[dreamy skiff]

cuz when ppl don't know mechanics

adds spawn forever

they don't do anything

[hard bramble]

lmao

[dreamy skiff]

but tanks can live them forever

and spam arrogance/searing light

[spark spruce]

I spammed frenzied for the entire incarn duration

[eternal pagoda]

So you're telling me theres a chance... but a really odd one

[spark spruce]

well

this will just force a meta now

Wihtout ward nerf

it was whatever what your comb

is

[eternal pagoda]

Wondering what will i, with 406ilvl, pick tho

warding someone still does something or legit dead

[dreamy skiff]

lmao

searing is wild

but at least it's balanced

yeah i don't think it's fixed

we just did ra den in 15 seconds

[past kindle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/mop-remix-hotfixes-ward-of-salvation-cheese-and-slay-nerfed-342172?webhook

more nerfs

[dreamy skiff]

i don't think ward is fixed / or they reverted it

https://i.imgur.com/Z6N7MT7.png

[hard bramble]

Buddy saw a 209m ward on Garalon heroic

I think they just didn't fix it properly.

[dreamy skiff]

as far as i'm aware the reason ward was so crazy was because when it stacked all healing multiplied into the other wards

[hard bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1245464279814242365/image.png?ex=6658d87f&is=665786ff&hm=40c03e70fe5fbe46285e1d41a8aa2c36df8388aef22b3556a9291798c3b5472e&

[dreamy skiff]

which is why sometimes 4 ppl would get a baby one and the last guy one shots teh boss

so maybe that part isn't fixed

[spark spruce]

Maybe they didnt relog?

maybe its a relog thing

again

[dreamy skiff]

nah the searing light hotfix went thru

without relogging

[spark spruce]

Ye but the Cloak reroll wasnt as example

but the quest was there instantly

[dreamy skiff]

i guess it's possible

[spark spruce]

Its blizz

But also can be they fucked up the nerf

[dreamy skiff]

also i thoughjt avoidance was capped at 20%?

[spark spruce]

nah 49%

tertiary is 49%

[dreamy skiff]

lmao

i guess 20% is usually more of a cap because you can't really get much high than that in normal gameplay

[hard bramble]

Perk of Remix: Getting invites to groups in a nice timeframe, lmao

[floral glade]

Can vindication heal you?

Or only allies

[spark spruce]

idk

[eternal pagoda]

slay still worth it or fervor?

[spark spruce]

Garrosh NHC

[silk yacht]

howd slay do

or was that a solo run

[floral glade]

Tested, vindication can heal you

To an insane degree

I pulled an entire heroic dungeon as a fury warrior and my health never went below 90%

[hard bramble]

owns

[fleet shuttle]

Why did they buff searing light lol it was already op

[spark spruce]

It did does like 6 million

With my 6 Million hp

[spark spruce]

"OP"

I mean they have to buff gems

When ward is donezo

Lifestorm is btw a really good meta Socket

[eternal pagoda]

HC

[spark spruce]

Ward?

[eternal pagoda]

ward

[spark spruce]

I mean malkorokk is kinda weird

Ngl

Because it absorb heal

[eternal pagoda]

same happened to iron juggernaut

but it isnt happening everytime

[eternal pagoda]

Bro

i might not do dmg (paragon)

but i fucking heal

@spark spruce

[floral glade]

Nice!

[eternal pagoda]

clearing ToT rn

bosses dying to.... ward

[dreamy skiff]

lol

cloak caps increased to 10 mil

[ruby sinew]

did first 2 bosses on normal and wasn't getting rep

guess i have to do LFR to unfuck my rep gains for them someone was saying

[eternal pagoda]

Dark animus was pretty easy

HC

WTF?!

clearly the floor PoV of the WHOLE party but the 2 tanks isnt an issue

[fleet shuttle]

Its blizzard design

People just not upgrading their gear

Cause it's expensive

[eternal pagoda]

I'm now a Claw boys

[opal quartz]

i'm like 435ilvl now and feel like my dmg is just ass compared to any ret or mage

in heroic raid

doing something like ~1.5m dps sin spec

is this what you guys are/were getting or am i bad?

i mean, i'm bad regardless but still

[eternal pagoda]

I let the 476 kill the bosses

while i heal them as a rogue

[opal quartz]

vindication and vampiric aura or what else?

[eternal pagoda]

just vindication really

[silk yacht]

are u comparing to the same ilvl mage/ret?

lot of sin damage is just kingsbane

[opal quartz]

ilvl is all over the place so they tend to be higher than me but not by a lot

[eternal pagoda]

Tinkers scale with ilvl

so it would make sense their dmg is higher

https://www.wowhead.com/news/wow-remix-developer-update-for-may-29-no-plans-to-nerf-upgrade-costs-342188?webhook

[primal pine]

I swear Lifestorm is slept on.

Big pp dam and a nice haste buff

[strong roost]

funny enough they're asking if people enjoy upgrading gear with bronze in the survey that I found on the battle net client

[dreamy skiff]

The comments are funny

"L take"

Man just upgrade the gear so ur so strong

People just want to get all their shit done NOW

[primal pine]

Literally 3 months left lol

Also, I don't think the plan is to be able get everything

There's a looooot of stuff to get

[silk yacht]

cant just have everything, gottta make decisions and sacrifices

[primal pine]

This is the real war within

[primal pine]

I've rolled more 5 buffs in remix than all of DF and SL

[spark spruce]

[hard bramble]

On one hand: you can now upgrade gar without a worry of "what if they nerf it?" which is good communication

On the other hand I feel like ending the message with "It’s been a lot of fun to go on this journey with you." is really funny and a little weird.

[spark spruce]

Ye

They are just not aware

That all there effort nerfing easy stuff

is everytime too late

Frogs too late

any other farm too late

Ward ?

too late

Most really dedicated players are done anyways

(except maybe mythic)

[hard bramble]

My 556 buddy did Mythic SoO last night (well at 2am) and ward worked half of the time

I should really get Mythic done today before they do something else

[spark spruce]

Ye ward is weird

They nerfed it not entirely

[hard bramble]

I'm gonna guess they tried to nerf it but it's so broken it just.. continued

https://tenor.com/view/the-door-barney-gumble-the-simpsons-gif-12229248

Basically

[spark spruce]

Well

Maybe

the one who uses ward needs to stand in Lifestorm aswell

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[spark spruce]

Because a hunter put ward on me and he got 60 million in soo normal

that doesnt make sense

[hard bramble]

Yeee

[spark spruce]

Someone on reddit says

People should use ward on themself

and the standing in Lifesotrm counts as selfheal

somehow

[hard bramble]

Interesting

[spark spruce]

Behold the Lifestorm nerf

[floral glade]

At full gear you get 30-50k per day pretty easily. So 45 days to get everything, even if they don’t buff bronze

A grind, but totally doable

[hard bramble]

Yeah

[ruby sinew]

thats rough if you dont have time but also no reason to get absolutely everything lol

[eternal pagoda]

Most of the transmog sets from the raid vendors are shit anyway

[spark spruce]

Ye

and who care about toys

[hard bramble]

me

but not enough to spend 150k on them

[ruby sinew]

only toy worth buying is maybe the snail one bc of how rare it is to farm

[eternal pagoda]

Him

[hard bramble]

Doing a Mythic SoO. Hoping it goes well

[spark spruce]

good luck

[hard bramble]

Comedy group of the lead wanting 450+ but is 390 but everyone else is so big it won't matter

[spark spruce]

Thats a classic

trying tog et boosted

[hard bramble]

Ye

lmao

lifestorm and searing light

[past kindle]

thats normal

you see it on retial too

[hard bramble]

Oh yeah

It's always funny

[past kindle]

if you create a group, people want to get boosted

pandaria just follows the same path as retail

[ruby sinew]

when ur buddies boost u through keys and u enter the lfg tool as a 372 but with 2 525s signing up for a +6 lol

[past kindle]

i try to be not overly critical